July 26, 2023 • 36 mins
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Are you ready to unlock the healing potential of Emotional Freedom Technique (EFT) for animals? Our guest, Joan Ranquet, an experienced animal communicator and Reiki master practitioner, shares her journey from discovering EFT as a personal trauma remedy to using it for animal healing. Joan gives us an intimate look into her experience with EFT and her remarkable success with her furry clients. She emphasizes the transformational power of EFT and how it can change our perceptions of animal behavior.
Dive into the world of EFT tapping as a tool for processing trauma in both humans and animals. We navigate the technique, the key points, and the calming effect it can bring to you and your pet. We discuss the ability of EFT to break free from looped animal behaviors and its applicability for recurring situations. It's a fascinating exploration, one that could fundamentally shift how you interact with and understand your four-legged companion.
The episode wraps up by delving into the potential of combining Animal Communication with EFT. Joan highlights how this combination can alleviate feelings of threat in animals, potentially replacing the need for medication or isolation. She underscores the importance of understanding an animal's essence before initiating communication and the crucial role of compassion and healing. Whether you're grappling with a tricky pet situation or simply curious about EFT, this episode is packed with insights and resources to aid in animal healing. Tune in and empower yourself with the knowledge of EFT for your animal companion's well-being.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Welcome to Let's Talk to Animals.
My name is Shannon Katz.
I'm an animal, intuitive andsensitive, aka an animal
communicator and a Reiki masterpractitioner here at
AnimalLoveLanguagescom, where weare doing our utmost to
demystify and de-woo innerspecies communication and also
share all of the possibilitiesthat open up when we begin
(00:35):
having these wonderful, rich,two-way conversations with our
companion animals, with theanimals that we partner and work
with and with the animals thatwe love and our planet.
And today we have theultra-wonderful Joan Raquette
from Communication with All LifeUniversity and also the author
of this amazing new bookEmotional Freedom Technique for
(00:57):
Animals.
It's actually releasing thisweek And so we're going to be
talking specifically about EFTand Emotional Freedom Technique.
But first I just want to giveJoan a warm welcome back for
your second guest appearancehere on Let's Talk to Animals.
Thank you so much for having me.
You are a pioneer and a leaderin the field that I so love and
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feel so lucky to be a part of.
If you're listening or you'rewatching and you've landed
somehow on Let's Talk to Animals, first of all, welcome.
And second, if you have notlistened to part one, i'll put
the link in the show notes belowand you can listen to Joan's
story of how she got her startas a communicator so many moons
(01:43):
ago and how things have evolvedfor her.
And we're meeting her heretoday during launch week for her
brand new book, emotionalFreedom Technique for Animals,
and we're going to be talkingmuch more specifically.
Yay, i know, i know, i'm anauthor myself.
My literary agent once said youdon't write a book because you
want to write a book.
You write a book because youneed to write a book And, if
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you're lucky, you don't go crazyin the interim.
This book, which is a first inthe field, this is a real labor
of love and is packed full ofstories and real life examples
of how to use EFT, what it isand how it works.
But we want to give you a broadbrush overview here today So
you can decide if EFT issomething that you want to
(02:29):
pursue further, if it'ssomething that may be a good fit
for a situation you're facingwith an animal, and to put you
in touch with direct resourcesto get started right away.
So, joan, i'm going to startright at the beginning, just
like we did last time, and askyou how the heck you ever
crossed paths with EFT in thefirst place.
Can you just tell us a littlebit about what is EFT and how
(02:51):
did you discover it?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, i've been a victim of a crime and I could
not sleep.
I could not sleep.
Hypnotism didn't really workAnd I'm the type just so you
know the people that were justhere for my weekend workshop had
just gone to India with me andwe laughed about how I can sleep
through anything.
So I've always been that way.
I can sleep in a busy airport.
I can yeah, i can sleep.
(03:14):
And so when I couldn't sleep,it really freaked me out And I,
you know, and obviously it's notgood for your health and all
sorts of things.
I heard about this from thehypnotist that it didn't work
with.
He said I just got certified inthis new technique called
Emotional Freedom Technique.
I'll just do it for free, sincethe hypnotism didn't work.
(03:35):
And so I went to his office andhad the session and I started
sleeping and I thought, okay,that is crazy great.
And so at first I startedthinking and it was so dumb, too
right Like you're doing allthis stuff, and you don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
We'll get into that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah.
So I started thinking if thatdidn't, if that could work that
easily, what about all thepeople And I wasn't even
thinking about the animals yet.
But what about all the peoplethat either had a dog that was
attacked or their dog was theattacker, right, the whole leash
reactivity thing.
Or people who had fallen offtheir horse and were afraid to
(04:18):
get back on And so they'd hadsome sort of an accident or
trauma, and the horse is likeI'm okay, you know, i'm nervous
for them because they're sonervous, but I'm okay.
But the person still couldn'tget on the horse And for
whatever reason, i had a wholebunch of those kinds of clients
at the time.
So I went ahead and asked theguy where he got certified and I
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took the first round of courses.
Then I took more classes, but Istarted trying it.
You know I do everything atleast a hundred times for free
before I charge.
So I just anybody that had somesort of a trauma, i gave it
away as a bonus to their animalcommunication session And in no
time I got through a hundredpeople and I, you know.
(05:03):
So that became another servicethat I taught, that I
implemented in my then when Iwas an animal communicator it
works really well.
I remember there was one womanwho had broken a collarbone and
was terrified to get on thehorse.
Another woman had a head injury.
There was a boxer that had beenattacked by somebody and
started attacking people andstopped because the person was
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not as terrified and holdingonto the leash in that way.
So it really changed animal'sbehavior, to change how the
human felt about the behavior.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Absolutely.
I mean, to me it makes perfectsense And for you listening, if
it doesn't yet, don't worry,we're going to keep going.
We're going to keep talkingabout this and stick with us.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, So I was in in 2004, said that was all in
Denver, And then I moved toFlorida with my dumb husband.
That's a whole likeinternational horse show scene
And I had a lot of clients and Ihad a trainer that I rode with
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and I knew all of his clientsbecause I'd read all their
animals at some point.
So one morning he calls me andhe said, Joan, you've got to get
out to the show grounds.
The Shakespeare, who is abeautiful horse that I knew is
going after ponies.
And I'm like, well, I can dothis on the phone, We'll just
talk to him and find out whyhe's going after ponies.
(06:31):
It's like, no, you need to comehere.
And Chris wasn't that kind ofguy, right, Like he wasn't
dramatic, pretty, Capricorn,pretty like straightforward,
pretty, you know we're going toget this done.
So I ended up canceling all myclients that day or moving them
around, and drove out to thehorse show And I've never seen
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anything like it.
I mean, this guy was the mostelegant guy on the planet And
here he was.
And if you've ever seen a horselunge at you with just their
jaw, it's got a pterodactylfeeling to it.
Right, It's scary.
I watched him.
He would jump the jump so thatwe were in a warm up ring.
(07:13):
And so there's a million.
There had been a million girlsand ponies, but they were all
terrified.
And so a couple of girls camein and ponies and Shakespeare
like literally went after theponies And Chris who also, I
might add, is possibly one ofthe most beautiful riders I've
(07:34):
ever seen in my life couldn'tcontain this horse.
I had an idea that I wasprobably gonna tap on him, So I
said I can talk to him, butlet's do it, Let's find a place
away from everybody's, becausewe might wanna try something
weird that we don't want anyonewatching, And Chris loved
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anything I tried.
So he was like, okay, let's goover here.
So we found an empty bar nowand we certainly didn't want any
ponies, right?
So I did the communication withShakespeare And what he shared
was that it felt like he hadbeen taken away from his mother
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when he was too young.
And also in the communicationhe shared that when he was
weaned he was put in a pasturewith ponies and he was small at
the time, but the ponies pickedon him And he was just.
You know, he felt terrible.
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So he didn't even feel like hecould defend himself, And even
as he grew, he didn't know howbig he was right, he was just
being attacked by these ponies.
So he just really grew to hateponies and he really hadn't seen
them other than at the SwarthShow.
He lived in a very you knowfancy barn with his person and
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was a jumper, and so they justlived in a barn where in the
field, where there were othergiant horses and giant jumps,
and life was good.
And uh-oh, my past isrevisiting me.
Here are these ponies.
I thought, okay, i'm gonna trythe EFT and I'm just gonna make
up the same points.
And I'd done acupressure.
(09:21):
I had been trained in the 90swith acupressure, so I kind of
knew what points for humans andhow they would correlate with
the points for the animals.
So I just started tapping onhim.
I hate ponies, i hate ponies.
(09:41):
And we just did this wholething about how these evil
little ponies.
And then eventually you know Ican forgive them, i can release
this, i'm ready to let this go.
And all the while I'm tapping.
So I'm telling the terriblestory, transitioning into the
outcome.
(10:01):
We want tapping on, feel good,very calming tapping points.
Eventually you could see himrelease and he yawned and he
yawned and he yawned, which is abig sign of release.
And so then the true test came.
We took him back into thewarmup arena and he was
eyeballing like the whites ofhis eyes.
(10:23):
He was looking at the poniesall around, but he wasn't going
after them, and so we took thatas a huge win.
And then, about four monthslater, chris I rode with Chris
so I saw him a few times a week.
He's like you're not gonnabelieve this, shakespeare has
been moved across the barnoilfrom a pony and he's fine.
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And then in the end Shakespearewas retired in a paddock, a
pasture, next to a pony, andthey were seen grooming each
other.
So that's the story ofShakespeare.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So this is a remarkable transformation And
for those of you who arewatching or listening and you're
like, yes, I want that, butwhat is this thing And how do I
access it And how does it work,Of course you'll want to read
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the book for the whole story.
I will put the show notes.
It's jonerandquettcom andthat's R-A-N-Q-U-E-Tcom
backslash store And I will putthat in the show notes.
But for just a quick broadbrush overview, Joan, can you
just share what is the weirdthing that you did on
Shakespeare?
And you shared a little bitabout the story and the trauma
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and some points and the wordacupressure.
And so can you just give us alittle newbie 101 overview of
what emotional freedom techniquemight look like?
if you were with Shakespeareright now and you were going
through the scenario, what wouldyou be doing?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So EFT tapping is tapping on acupressure points
and each acupressure point, allacupressure points, are
connected to meridians and thosemeridians are connected to
organs and those organ systemsare, in traditional Chinese
medicine, tcm, considered to beconnected to emotions.
(12:24):
And, on top of it, all thespecific points that we use for
tapping have a calming effect.
Each of those points have acalming effect.
So, like I said, you can betelling a bad story while
tapping on these specific pointsand have a calming effect going
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on while you are telling aterrible story.
Like they won't forget the story, but it won't trigger them as
much.
We're hopefully not at all.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
How is EFT different?
Some folks might be listeningand going oh good, i know
acupressure, i'll just do that.
Is there an extra component inEFT that differentiates it?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, EFT is the specific points right The
bladder one, the triple meter 23, stomach one.
So each of the points are veryspecifically for omics.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So it's a specific system of points that is
designed to help the physicalsystem release or detach from or
process I guess is a good wordfor it some kind of trauma
Correct.
Well said So, eft I've used iton myself for years before I
ever discovered it could be usedwith animals, and I still use
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it today.
Life is always handing uschallenges, and whether those
are challenges with theiranimals or challenges with
ourselves as a system, and so Iabsolutely adore it.
However, i would say it's stillless well known for use with
animals, and there's a veryinteresting point because when
you started, you were talkingabout your first experience with
(14:07):
EFT was really for yourself, soyou had first hand experience.
This stuff works.
It might look weird as crap, itmight you want to sneak behind
the door and do it, but it works.
And the thing is is that evenwhen we're usually maybe not
quite so open to doing somethingfor ourselves, especially if it
feels a little woo or a littlewhoa or a little bit outside of
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our comfort zone when ouranimals are suffering, i have
seen that make pet parents very,very brief and open in a way
that maybe they wouldn't even beopen for themselves.
So I'm curious if Chris then, orwhoever Shakespeare's person
was, also needed some emotionalrelease.
(14:47):
Can you do EFT on both theperson and their animal at the
same time?
Again asking for everyone who'slistening who's like yes, i
think I might want to do this.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well here's.
So in that situation We justdid the one round of tapping and
miraculously it worked, Andpartly because I think that both
Chris and Karen was the owner,We're so shocked by the behavior
.
It didn't have time to processit, right, And then it was gone.
(15:18):
So we didn't tap with them atthe time.
But normally I will tap withthe person first, because the
person will have their ownfeelings about the situation,
right.
So, for example, with thatsituation, if I were to tap in
the person, I would have askedyou know, how do you feel about
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this?
And they might have said I'msad for him but I'm frustrated
and I'm annoyed and it scares mebecause I can't control him.
It's out of control, right?
So I would have gotten allthose words from the feeling,
those feeling and those wordsfrom the human, which are
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completely different than whatShakespeare's experience is.
And that's why when peoplealways say oh, I have anxiety
and therefore my animal'smarrying me and he has anxiety.
No, he has anxiety for his ownreasons And so we have to break
those apart.
We might be enmeshed, but theminute we start to break them
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apart, one or the other can havean anxiety moment.
But it's not like some badbiofeedback loop, right, right,
it is simply this person isexperiencing this.
So in this case, chris or Karenmay have been frustrated,
scared, sad yeah, sad for thehorse, and the horse was
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experiencing fear.
I'm going to get them back,those stupid ponies, you know,
sort of thing.
So that sort of feel, thosefeelings are very different than
what Chris and Karen would havebeen feeling.
But, like I said, in thatparticular instance it only
happened the one time and it wasso terrifying and shocking that
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I think you know they somehowwere able to forget at the
minute it was happening becauseit changed so quickly.
But most situations, like aleash reactive dog or a cat
that's peeing in the house, aresituations that come up
repeatedly.
And so, if you think of, like,when I walk down a trail, that
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trail has a little dip in thedirt right, Like, cause it's
been walked on a lot.
It's a well-trodden path.
Well, often the patterns we getinto with our animals are a
well-trodden path, meaning heremy dog does this and then I do
this, right, like when my doggets reactive, i get angry or I
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get frustrated or I get.
So now we're locked into apattern.
So sometimes it takes more thanone magical tapping session to
break open that pattern, becausea pattern can have a lot of
pentacles and other things Likemaybe I had the perfect dog
before this dog that did this,and so there's also Greek.
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It's just investigating andbreaking it apart and looking at
it, helping the person see.
So I'll tap with the personbecause they'll see how much
they're feeding into it, andsometimes that's enough because
they also go oh, i want to bethe leader out there on the
street.
I don't want to be the victimof my dog, i want to show my dog
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he's safe.
So often the person will stepinto kind of a new role with
their animal, if you will.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It is a magical transformation indeed,
especially because, speaking asa pet parent, now not as an
animal communicator it's veryeasy to take a look at our
animals' issues or challenges orfeedback loop, behavior
patterns and forget that we dohave a relationship and that we
have our own thoughts and wehave our own feelings and we may
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be unconsciously facilitatingthe very thing that we're trying
so hard.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yes, Not to do.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Not to transform or to change or to stop, and it can
be particularly difficult when,as an animal guardian, to stop
and realize, oh my gosh, maybeit isn't some kind of straight,
simple, mirroring thing, butwe're keeping company together
And I know, when I'm aroundanxious people, i tend to get
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more anxious, even if I'm notaware of their anxiety, and so
it's about being aware of myself.
It's like I can't controlwhat's going on with them.
But I can control, i have a lotof control over my own inner
state, and I feel like that'snot just the simple experience
of being able to put the storyinto words and being heard by
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the EFT practitioner, justhaving another human to talk to
and just share the story, butalso being given a practicals
tool that can help right away.
Now, in your story withShakespeare, it sounds like you
were tapping on Shakespeare, andperhaps that's because you had
a pre-existing relationship withhim, and it also sounded like
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really I mean, a perfect storm,yes, but also a perfect
situation, in that Chris had arelationship with you And he was
open to animal communicationand he was able to call you
right away and resolve the issuereally quickly.
What if we're dealing with likea reactive animal or maybe a
rescued animal that is perceivedas aggressive And there isn't
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the ability to tap on thatanimal, because I don't want
people listening or watching andthinking well, that sounds
great, but I could never tap onmy animal.
I could never tap on thisanimal I'm fostering or working
with.
How does it work then?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So there are several ways you could do it.
You could either I like toactually Tap into the air, or I
could tap on another animal, orI could just tap on a stuffed
animal.
All three of those things arecalled surrogate tapping and
either way, we have theintention Set of.
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I'm getting to that bladder.
One point, oh, and that's good,i you.
So the intention is there thatI'm going to transform the
situation and that I'm gonnacalm this animal down.
So even if you're not touchingthe animal, we're still getting
through that's a reallyimportant point to make.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
There's lots of options.
You can learn more about allthe different options and How to
use them as you work your waythrough Jones new book.
But I also wanted to ask aquestion.
In the Shakespeare story, whichwe're just kind of using as our
model today to introduce EFT toeverybody's listening or
watching, you Initially said,okay, i'll just have a
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conversation with Shakespeareover the phone, i'll find out
what's happening.
And then, because you've beenexposed to EFT and because Chris
was so beside himself And thatwas so unusual, you decided well
, i'm gonna have a conversationand then I'm going to use
another modality and this issomething that feels So
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important to understand aboutthe role of animal communication
and how it sometimes is astandalone Resource and
sometimes it needs to be paired.
So I would love for you toshare a little bit about what
was it that said This is thething.
I'm not gonna do theacupressure first.
I'm not gonna try essentialoils, i'm not gonna call a
holistic vet, i am gonna try EFTright here, right now because
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I've done.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people used it,
hundreds and hundreds of peoplefor the leash reactivity and
the fear of getting back on thehorse, and I Mean back in the
day.
I did probably sevenappointments a day, four or five
days a week, so I was exposedto a lot of people and a lot of
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animal challenges And so I atthat point used it for about two
and a half years on people andit's seen dramatic results and
because of that I was able tojust try it like What have we
got to lose?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yes, you know, and it sounded like you did have
somewhat of an existingrelationship with this horse
where you were able to pinpointHow very out of character this
behavior truly was.
yeah, and not just listening toChris and saying, well, he's
sure freaked out, but is thisreally that out of character for
this animal?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
and having that relationship, Well, i mean, and
that goes the way that I teachanimal communication is really,
you know, the first thing you dois you never jump into them,
like why the hell are you doingthis?
It's you.
You get a sense of who they are, their essence and their
favorite thing.
So if this is a horse thatloves to work, loves to jump,
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loves to show loves his personloves Chris, everybody does
loves, you know.
So he's Super passionate abouteverything he does and then he
has this aberrant behavior, thenThis is extreme and I'm gonna
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at that time It felt like anextreme measure I'm gonna do
something quickly.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And isn't it brilliant that we have something
that We can do quickly thatdoesn't involve medication or
isolation or Giving up.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, and nobody's in trouble here.
You get to feel how you feel,but if it's going to affect
those around you, if it's gonnathreaten those around you, then
we have to mitigate, bring downthose feelings so that you're no
longer a threat.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You can still not like bones, but in the end I
found out he was retired withone, so there, What I love the
most and there's a lot of thingsto love about this story, but
what I love the most issomething I've been increasingly
encouraging my own students toplay with and definitely
definitely trying to stand inthese shoes Myself as often as
possible.
So let's just kind of forgetabout species for a moment and
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imagine that we all Share thesame responses, the same
essential responses to thingslike trauma in our lives.
Do this is what brought it up.
I love what you just said aboutnobody's in trouble here.
We're just having a moment,we're just having an experience,
and we need the same basicthings in order to not let these
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Experiences, these moments oftrauma, take over our identity
and take over our relationshipsand take over our lives and for
animals Sometimes to end ourlives.
Because, yeah, and you make aplea in the end of your book
that I hope everyone who readsyour book will Take to heart
about let's throw out the ideathat there are any animals that
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are Unadoptable, that are beyondRehabilitation, and, again,
just forgetting about, let'sforget about species for a
moment.
There's all kinds of reasons tobe interested in species.
There's all kinds of reasons toremember species and advocate
for different species, but insome cases we're all more like
than different.
If you were in those shoes orthose hooves or those paws, you
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would very likely Have the samereaction and need this a lot of
help to, and a lot of compassionAnd a lot of healing.
You're listening or you'rewatching.
This isn't designed to be ahow-to Podcast.
This is designed to be anoverview, to give you an
introduction, to offer youanother opportunity to
experience something new withyour animal and And definitely
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another an alternative to thingslike there's a place for
anti-anxiety medications andanti-depressants and things like
that and Behavioral training.
But this is something else.
This is something, i wouldventure to say, maybe even
deeper.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And what I wanted to say also is that it's great to
be an animal communicator andask them how they feel, but the
the way that I've structured thekind of investigation sheets in
the book, you don't have to bean indicator, and not only that.
You can, all of a sudden, justin asking these questions and
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answering as if you are Your ownanimal, you're going to get
insights into the whole thing ina way that would have never
occurred to you before, andhealing then starts Right there.
Right, because you're all of asudden going oh, he's beating up
the other cat, because then hecan go outside, not because he
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doesn't like the cat, notbecause he's an asshole Oops
sorry, we know all those wordsaround here.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I had a guest last week ask me can we cuss on here?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I was like absolutely Right ahead And yeah, the cat
isn't beating someone up becausehe's a jerk.
He's not beating someone upbecause he doesn't like the
other cat.
He's beating someone up becauseyou've accidentally trained him
that the minute he's rowdy hecan go outside, and that's all
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he wanted to begin with.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And it's so interesting because it actually
I was going to say the wordforces, but actually just
invites us to turn that cameralens back on ourselves Remember
that we are a part of thisequation and to consider how we
impact others around us.
And it's so easy.
We talked on the last show,when you were on last time,
(28:39):
about anthropocentrism andtrying to kind of break those
lenses, break those glasses, andlet's try on a new model of
relationship and interdependenceAnd I can't find the right word
but shared responsibility.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, they have agency And yet we're co-creating
.
But we're kind of the ones thatturn off the light and pay the
bills and do.
We're kind of big sister here.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
We have advantages in certain ways, we have certain
controls, but then our animalsfind ways like we can control so
much.
And then there are the thingsthat we can't control, like the
peeing that you mentioned or theaggression, and I always like
to approach my own.
I live with four differentspecies here and my own
companion animals sometimes dothings that are frankly,
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mystifying and also highlyaggravating.
And to think to myself, to theanimal, this behavior always
makes sense, invites me to turnthat camera lens on myself and
also to try to step into theirworld, the empathy channel that
will draw me into their worldand see life from their
perspective, and I love that youhighlight that not everyone who
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listens to Let's Talk toanimals has aspirations to
become an animal communicator onany kind of professional or
professional volunteer level.
I do believe that we're allanimal communicators because
we're all animals And we do havethose inbuilt pathways, and if
they don't always show up, theycertainly can in a crisis.
And EFT is a great way toexplore some of your own
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intuitive abilities andopportunities, and yet it's not
required.
It's its own stand alone skillthat you can develop, and it
actually is a great thing to tryon yourself If you're not sure
how your animal is going toreact, if you're not sure you're
ready to try it on your animalyet, start with yourself.
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If you can't find any recenttrauma, think back to when you
were in middle school.
I'm sure you'll find something.
And you can try it on yourselffirst and check it out and just
give it a test run, and if itworks well for you, then you can
give it a try on an animal thatyou have, that you or that you
care about, that is strugglingwith something, and see how it
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goes.
So, joan, before we concludetoday, of course I'll put all
the notes in the show, notesabout how to find your book, how
to reach out to your team.
But I have a couple of closingquestions.
One, if someone wanted to hireyou or hire one of your teachers
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to do EFT, to help them throughit, because I know for me, even
if I think I could do it myself, i often really enjoy hiring
someone to do it with me thefirst time, so I get a sense of
how the whole thing could worktogether.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, it's really a great way to do it.
I mean, that's probably thebest So if you're right to
assist at JoanRamquettecom andasked about that.
If I have time, i'm happy to doit.
If I'm out of the price point,i also have students that need
case studies And then in between, like there's some graduates
(31:52):
that charge less than me but docharge.
So just depending on the needand the budget, we can help you.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You'll make it happen one way or another.
Now, how about for those whomay want to add EFT to their own
toolkit?
how would you direct them interms of actually studying or
maybe getting certified?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So then they would want to call my Shannon and I
have my own Shannon.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I know you do.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And so you would write to info at
JoanRamquettecom.
Even if you wrote to assist,they would direct you to that.
And we do have upcoming.
We're going to have a virtualday at the end of July, online
all day on a Saturday.
I will be in Boston for thosethat will be in Boston in
September teaching at Circles ofWisdom for a day, and then
(32:40):
we've got courses online everyThursday.
Twice a year.
We start that energy healingfor animals And yeah.
So there's all kinds of waysand eventually there will be all
kinds of bookstores around thecountry that I'll be popping
into.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's just happening .
But for now, just know that ifyou can find your way to Amazon
or you can find your way toJoanRamquettecom, click on the
store tab.
You can get.
You too can have your own copy.
Yes, The first book writtenspecifically for using emotional
freedom technique with animals,Joan, always a delight.
(33:19):
I can say that now because thisis our second time chatting.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, talking to animals.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Thank you so much because this is a needed
resource that will help I'mabsolutely confident in saying
it is going to help so manyanimal guardians, pet parents
and the animals that they loveand care for.
For you, our dear listeners,our dear viewers, thank you for
tuning in for your first or yourlatest episode of Let's Talk to
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Animals.
We have three wonderful seasonsprior to this where I speak
with amazing intuitives andholistic practitioners and
guardians all over the world.
You can get a sense of just howwidespread this inner species
consciousness evolution isbecoming.
It isn't a wonderful, wonderful, exciting time that we live in.
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If you're just joining us nowfor season four, episodes are
dropping every two weeks.
That's just to give me a littlemore time to do fun things like
read books and do deep diveswith our guests and learn and
grow with you.
Please do bookmarkanimallovelinguagescom backslash
podcast or you can find us onYouTube under Shanakas or your
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favorite streaming service, andenjoy all of our episodes.
I look forward to welcoming youback very, very soon.
Okay, all of our love.
Bye for now, thank you, thankyou.
Welcome to Let's Talk to Animals.
My name is Shannon Katz.
I'm an animal, intuitive andsensitive, aka an animal
communicator and a Reiki masterpractitioner here at
AnimalLoveLanguagescom, where weare doing our utmost to
demystify and de-woo innerspecies communication and also
share all of the possibilitiesthat open up when we begin
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having these wonderful, rich,two-way conversations with our
companion animals, with theanimals that we partner and work
with and with the animals thatwe love and our planet.
And today we have theultra-wonderful Joan Raquette
from Communication with All LifeUniversity and also the author
of this amazing new bookEmotional Freedom Technique for
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Animals.
It's actually releasing thisweek And so we're going to be
talking specifically about EFTand Emotional Freedom Technique.
But first I just want to giveJoan a warm welcome back for
your second guest appearancehere on Let's Talk to Animals.
Thank you so much for having me.
You are a pioneer and a leaderin the field that I so love and
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feel so lucky to be a part of.
If you're listening or you'rewatching and you've landed
somehow on Let's Talk to Animals, first of all, welcome.
And second, if you have notlistened to part one, i'll put
the link in the show notes belowand you can listen to Joan's
story of how she got her startas a communicator so many moons
(01:43):
ago and how things have evolvedfor her.
And we're meeting her heretoday during launch week for her
brand new book, emotionalFreedom Technique for Animals,
and we're going to be talkingmuch more specifically.
Yay, i know, i know, i'm anauthor myself.
My literary agent once said youdon't write a book because you
want to write a book.
You write a book because youneed to write a book And, if
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you're lucky, you don't go crazyin the interim.
This book, which is a first inthe field, this is a real labor
of love and is packed full ofstories and real life examples
of how to use EFT, what it isand how it works.
But we want to give you a broadbrush overview here today So
you can decide if EFT issomething that you want to
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pursue further, if it'ssomething that may be a good fit
for a situation you're facingwith an animal, and to put you
in touch with direct resourcesto get started right away.
So, joan, i'm going to startright at the beginning, just
like we did last time, and askyou how the heck you ever
crossed paths with EFT in thefirst place.
Can you just tell us a littlebit about what is EFT and how
(02:51):
did you discover it?
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Okay, i've been a victim of a crime and I could
not sleep.
I could not sleep.
Hypnotism didn't really workAnd I'm the type just so you
know the people that were justhere for my weekend workshop had
just gone to India with me andwe laughed about how I can sleep
through anything.
So I've always been that way.
I can sleep in a busy airport.
I can yeah, i can sleep.
(03:14):
And so when I couldn't sleep,it really freaked me out And I,
you know, and obviously it's notgood for your health and all
sorts of things.
I heard about this from thehypnotist that it didn't work
with.
He said I just got certified inthis new technique called
Emotional Freedom Technique.
I'll just do it for free, sincethe hypnotism didn't work.
(03:35):
And so I went to his office andhad the session and I started
sleeping and I thought, okay,that is crazy great.
And so at first I startedthinking and it was so dumb, too
right Like you're doing allthis stuff, and you don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
We'll get into that, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Yeah.
So I started thinking if thatdidn't, if that could work that
easily, what about all thepeople And I wasn't even
thinking about the animals yet.
But what about all the peoplethat either had a dog that was
attacked or their dog was theattacker, right, the whole leash
reactivity thing.
Or people who had fallen offtheir horse and were afraid to
(04:18):
get back on And so they'd hadsome sort of an accident or
trauma, and the horse is likeI'm okay, you know, i'm nervous
for them because they're sonervous, but I'm okay.
But the person still couldn'tget on the horse And for
whatever reason, i had a wholebunch of those kinds of clients
at the time.
So I went ahead and asked theguy where he got certified and I
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took the first round of courses.
Then I took more classes, but Istarted trying it.
You know I do everything atleast a hundred times for free
before I charge.
So I just anybody that had somesort of a trauma, i gave it
away as a bonus to their animalcommunication session And in no
time I got through a hundredpeople and I, you know.
(05:03):
So that became another servicethat I taught, that I
implemented in my then when Iwas an animal communicator it
works really well.
I remember there was one womanwho had broken a collarbone and
was terrified to get on thehorse.
Another woman had a head injury.
There was a boxer that had beenattacked by somebody and
started attacking people andstopped because the person was
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not as terrified and holdingonto the leash in that way.
So it really changed animal'sbehavior, to change how the
human felt about the behavior.
Does that make sense?
Speaker 1 (05:39):
Absolutely.
I mean, to me it makes perfectsense And for you listening, if
it doesn't yet, don't worry,we're going to keep going.
We're going to keep talkingabout this and stick with us.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay, So I was in in 2004, said that was all in
Denver, And then I moved toFlorida with my dumb husband.
That's a whole likeinternational horse show scene
And I had a lot of clients and Ihad a trainer that I rode with
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and I knew all of his clientsbecause I'd read all their
animals at some point.
So one morning he calls me andhe said, Joan, you've got to get
out to the show grounds.
The Shakespeare, who is abeautiful horse that I knew is
going after ponies.
And I'm like, well, I can dothis on the phone, We'll just
talk to him and find out whyhe's going after ponies.
(06:31):
It's like, no, you need to comehere.
And Chris wasn't that kind ofguy, right, Like he wasn't
dramatic, pretty, Capricorn,pretty like straightforward,
pretty, you know we're going toget this done.
So I ended up canceling all myclients that day or moving them
around, and drove out to thehorse show And I've never seen
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anything like it.
I mean, this guy was the mostelegant guy on the planet And
here he was.
And if you've ever seen a horselunge at you with just their
jaw, it's got a pterodactylfeeling to it.
Right, It's scary.
I watched him.
He would jump the jump so thatwe were in a warm up ring.
(07:13):
And so there's a million.
There had been a million girlsand ponies, but they were all
terrified.
And so a couple of girls camein and ponies and Shakespeare
like literally went after theponies And Chris who also, I
might add, is possibly one ofthe most beautiful riders I've
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ever seen in my life couldn'tcontain this horse.
I had an idea that I wasprobably gonna tap on him, So I
said I can talk to him, butlet's do it, Let's find a place
away from everybody's, becausewe might wanna try something
weird that we don't want anyonewatching, And Chris loved
(07:55):
anything I tried.
So he was like, okay, let's goover here.
So we found an empty bar nowand we certainly didn't want any
ponies, right?
So I did the communication withShakespeare And what he shared
was that it felt like he hadbeen taken away from his mother
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when he was too young.
And also in the communicationhe shared that when he was
weaned he was put in a pasturewith ponies and he was small at
the time, but the ponies pickedon him And he was just.
You know, he felt terrible.
(08:37):
So he didn't even feel like hecould defend himself, And even
as he grew, he didn't know howbig he was right, he was just
being attacked by these ponies.
So he just really grew to hateponies and he really hadn't seen
them other than at the SwarthShow.
He lived in a very you knowfancy barn with his person and
(08:59):
was a jumper, and so they justlived in a barn where in the
field, where there were othergiant horses and giant jumps,
and life was good.
And uh-oh, my past isrevisiting me.
Here are these ponies.
I thought, okay, i'm gonna trythe EFT and I'm just gonna make
up the same points.
And I'd done acupressure.
(09:21):
I had been trained in the 90swith acupressure, so I kind of
knew what points for humans andhow they would correlate with
the points for the animals.
So I just started tapping onhim.
I hate ponies, i hate ponies.
(09:41):
And we just did this wholething about how these evil
little ponies.
And then eventually you know Ican forgive them, i can release
this, i'm ready to let this go.
And all the while I'm tapping.
So I'm telling the terriblestory, transitioning into the
outcome.
(10:01):
We want tapping on, feel good,very calming tapping points.
Eventually you could see himrelease and he yawned and he
yawned and he yawned, which is abig sign of release.
And so then the true test came.
We took him back into thewarmup arena and he was
eyeballing like the whites ofhis eyes.
(10:23):
He was looking at the poniesall around, but he wasn't going
after them, and so we took thatas a huge win.
And then, about four monthslater, chris I rode with Chris
so I saw him a few times a week.
He's like you're not gonnabelieve this, shakespeare has
been moved across the barnoilfrom a pony and he's fine.
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And then in the end Shakespearewas retired in a paddock, a
pasture, next to a pony, andthey were seen grooming each
other.
So that's the story ofShakespeare.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
So this is a remarkable transformation And
for those of you who arewatching or listening and you're
like, yes, I want that, butwhat is this thing And how do I
access it And how does it work,Of course you'll want to read
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the book for the whole story.
I will put the show notes.
It's jonerandquettcom andthat's R-A-N-Q-U-E-Tcom
backslash store And I will putthat in the show notes.
But for just a quick broadbrush overview, Joan, can you
just share what is the weirdthing that you did on
Shakespeare?
And you shared a little bitabout the story and the trauma
(11:42):
and some points and the wordacupressure.
And so can you just give us alittle newbie 101 overview of
what emotional freedom techniquemight look like?
if you were with Shakespeareright now and you were going
through the scenario, what wouldyou be doing?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
So EFT tapping is tapping on acupressure points
and each acupressure point, allacupressure points, are
connected to meridians and thosemeridians are connected to
organs and those organ systemsare, in traditional Chinese
medicine, tcm, considered to beconnected to emotions.
(12:24):
And, on top of it, all thespecific points that we use for
tapping have a calming effect.
Each of those points have acalming effect.
So, like I said, you can betelling a bad story while
tapping on these specific pointsand have a calming effect going
(12:47):
on while you are telling aterrible story.
Like they won't forget the story, but it won't trigger them as
much.
We're hopefully not at all.
Speaker 1 (12:58):
How is EFT different?
Some folks might be listeningand going oh good, i know
acupressure, i'll just do that.
Is there an extra component inEFT that differentiates it?
Speaker 2 (13:11):
Well, EFT is the specific points right The
bladder one, the triple meter 23, stomach one.
So each of the points are veryspecifically for omics.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
So it's a specific system of points that is
designed to help the physicalsystem release or detach from or
process I guess is a good wordfor it some kind of trauma
Correct.
Well said So, eft I've used iton myself for years before I
ever discovered it could be usedwith animals, and I still use
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it today.
Life is always handing uschallenges, and whether those
are challenges with theiranimals or challenges with
ourselves as a system, and so Iabsolutely adore it.
However, i would say it's stillless well known for use with
animals, and there's a veryinteresting point because when
you started, you were talkingabout your first experience with
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EFT was really for yourself, soyou had first hand experience.
This stuff works.
It might look weird as crap, itmight you want to sneak behind
the door and do it, but it works.
And the thing is is that evenwhen we're usually maybe not
quite so open to doing somethingfor ourselves, especially if it
feels a little woo or a littlewhoa or a little bit outside of
(14:27):
our comfort zone when ouranimals are suffering, i have
seen that make pet parents very,very brief and open in a way
that maybe they wouldn't even beopen for themselves.
So I'm curious if Chris then, orwhoever Shakespeare's person
was, also needed some emotionalrelease.
(14:47):
Can you do EFT on both theperson and their animal at the
same time?
Again asking for everyone who'slistening who's like yes, i
think I might want to do this.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well here's.
So in that situation We justdid the one round of tapping and
miraculously it worked, Andpartly because I think that both
Chris and Karen was the owner,We're so shocked by the behavior
.
It didn't have time to processit, right, And then it was gone.
(15:18):
So we didn't tap with them atthe time.
But normally I will tap withthe person first, because the
person will have their ownfeelings about the situation,
right.
So, for example, with thatsituation, if I were to tap in
the person, I would have askedyou know, how do you feel about
(15:41):
this?
And they might have said I'msad for him but I'm frustrated
and I'm annoyed and it scares mebecause I can't control him.
It's out of control, right?
So I would have gotten allthose words from the feeling,
those feeling and those wordsfrom the human, which are
(16:03):
completely different than whatShakespeare's experience is.
And that's why when peoplealways say oh, I have anxiety
and therefore my animal'smarrying me and he has anxiety.
No, he has anxiety for his ownreasons And so we have to break
those apart.
We might be enmeshed, but theminute we start to break them
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apart, one or the other can havean anxiety moment.
But it's not like some badbiofeedback loop, right, right,
it is simply this person isexperiencing this.
So in this case, chris or Karenmay have been frustrated,
scared, sad yeah, sad for thehorse, and the horse was
(16:45):
experiencing fear.
I'm going to get them back,those stupid ponies, you know,
sort of thing.
So that sort of feel, thosefeelings are very different than
what Chris and Karen would havebeen feeling.
But, like I said, in thatparticular instance it only
happened the one time and it wasso terrifying and shocking that
(17:09):
I think you know they somehowwere able to forget at the
minute it was happening becauseit changed so quickly.
But most situations, like aleash reactive dog or a cat
that's peeing in the house, aresituations that come up
repeatedly.
And so, if you think of, like,when I walk down a trail, that
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trail has a little dip in thedirt right, Like, cause it's
been walked on a lot.
It's a well-trodden path.
Well, often the patterns we getinto with our animals are a
well-trodden path, meaning heremy dog does this and then I do
this, right, like when my doggets reactive, i get angry or I
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get frustrated or I get.
So now we're locked into apattern.
So sometimes it takes more thanone magical tapping session to
break open that pattern, becausea pattern can have a lot of
pentacles and other things Likemaybe I had the perfect dog
before this dog that did this,and so there's also Greek.
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It's just investigating andbreaking it apart and looking at
it, helping the person see.
So I'll tap with the personbecause they'll see how much
they're feeding into it, andsometimes that's enough because
they also go oh, i want to bethe leader out there on the
street.
I don't want to be the victimof my dog, i want to show my dog
(18:40):
he's safe.
So often the person will stepinto kind of a new role with
their animal, if you will.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It is a magical transformation indeed,
especially because, speaking asa pet parent, now not as an
animal communicator it's veryeasy to take a look at our
animals' issues or challenges orfeedback loop, behavior
patterns and forget that we dohave a relationship and that we
have our own thoughts and wehave our own feelings and we may
(19:09):
be unconsciously facilitatingthe very thing that we're trying
so hard.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Yes, Not to do.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Not to transform or to change or to stop, and it can
be particularly difficult when,as an animal guardian, to stop
and realize, oh my gosh, maybeit isn't some kind of straight,
simple, mirroring thing, butwe're keeping company together
And I know, when I'm aroundanxious people, i tend to get
(19:38):
more anxious, even if I'm notaware of their anxiety, and so
it's about being aware of myself.
It's like I can't controlwhat's going on with them.
But I can control, i have a lotof control over my own inner
state, and I feel like that'snot just the simple experience
of being able to put the storyinto words and being heard by
(19:58):
the EFT practitioner, justhaving another human to talk to
and just share the story, butalso being given a practicals
tool that can help right away.
Now, in your story withShakespeare, it sounds like you
were tapping on Shakespeare, andperhaps that's because you had
a pre-existing relationship withhim, and it also sounded like
(20:19):
really I mean, a perfect storm,yes, but also a perfect
situation, in that Chris had arelationship with you And he was
open to animal communicationand he was able to call you
right away and resolve the issuereally quickly.
What if we're dealing with likea reactive animal or maybe a
rescued animal that is perceivedas aggressive And there isn't
(20:40):
the ability to tap on thatanimal, because I don't want
people listening or watching andthinking well, that sounds
great, but I could never tap onmy animal.
I could never tap on thisanimal I'm fostering or working
with.
How does it work then?
Speaker 2 (20:55):
So there are several ways you could do it.
You could either I like toactually Tap into the air, or I
could tap on another animal, orI could just tap on a stuffed
animal.
All three of those things arecalled surrogate tapping and
either way, we have theintention Set of.
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I'm getting to that bladder.
One point, oh, and that's good,i you.
So the intention is there thatI'm going to transform the
situation and that I'm gonnacalm this animal down.
So even if you're not touchingthe animal, we're still getting
through that's a reallyimportant point to make.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
There's lots of options.
You can learn more about allthe different options and How to
use them as you work your waythrough Jones new book.
But I also wanted to ask aquestion.
In the Shakespeare story, whichwe're just kind of using as our
model today to introduce EFT toeverybody's listening or
watching, you Initially said,okay, i'll just have a
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conversation with Shakespeareover the phone, i'll find out
what's happening.
And then, because you've beenexposed to EFT and because Chris
was so beside himself And thatwas so unusual, you decided well
, i'm gonna have a conversationand then I'm going to use
another modality and this issomething that feels So
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important to understand aboutthe role of animal communication
and how it sometimes is astandalone Resource and
sometimes it needs to be paired.
So I would love for you toshare a little bit about what
was it that said This is thething.
I'm not gonna do theacupressure first.
I'm not gonna try essentialoils, i'm not gonna call a
holistic vet, i am gonna try EFTright here, right now because
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I've done.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people used it,
hundreds and hundreds of peoplefor the leash reactivity and
the fear of getting back on thehorse, and I Mean back in the
day.
I did probably sevenappointments a day, four or five
days a week, so I was exposedto a lot of people and a lot of
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animal challenges And so I atthat point used it for about two
and a half years on people andit's seen dramatic results and
because of that I was able tojust try it like What have we
got to lose?
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Yes, you know, and it sounded like you did have
somewhat of an existingrelationship with this horse
where you were able to pinpointHow very out of character this
behavior truly was.
yeah, and not just listening toChris and saying, well, he's
sure freaked out, but is thisreally that out of character for
this animal?
Speaker 2 (23:37):
and having that relationship, Well, i mean, and
that goes the way that I teachanimal communication is really,
you know, the first thing you dois you never jump into them,
like why the hell are you doingthis?
It's you.
You get a sense of who they are, their essence and their
favorite thing.
So if this is a horse thatloves to work, loves to jump,
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loves to show loves his personloves Chris, everybody does
loves, you know.
So he's Super passionate abouteverything he does and then he
has this aberrant behavior, thenThis is extreme and I'm gonna
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at that time It felt like anextreme measure I'm gonna do
something quickly.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
And isn't it brilliant that we have something
that We can do quickly thatdoesn't involve medication or
isolation or Giving up.
Speaker 2 (24:35):
Yeah, and nobody's in trouble here.
You get to feel how you feel,but if it's going to affect
those around you, if it's gonnathreaten those around you, then
we have to mitigate, bring downthose feelings so that you're no
longer a threat.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
You can still not like bones, but in the end I
found out he was retired withone, so there, What I love the
most and there's a lot of thingsto love about this story, but
what I love the most issomething I've been increasingly
encouraging my own students toplay with and definitely
definitely trying to stand inthese shoes Myself as often as
possible.
So let's just kind of forgetabout species for a moment and
(25:15):
imagine that we all Share thesame responses, the same
essential responses to thingslike trauma in our lives.
Do this is what brought it up.
I love what you just said aboutnobody's in trouble here.
We're just having a moment,we're just having an experience,
and we need the same basicthings in order to not let these
(25:36):
Experiences, these moments oftrauma, take over our identity
and take over our relationshipsand take over our lives and for
animals Sometimes to end ourlives.
Because, yeah, and you make aplea in the end of your book
that I hope everyone who readsyour book will Take to heart
about let's throw out the ideathat there are any animals that
(26:00):
are Unadoptable, that are beyondRehabilitation, and, again,
just forgetting about, let'sforget about species for a
moment.
There's all kinds of reasons tobe interested in species.
There's all kinds of reasons toremember species and advocate
for different species, but insome cases we're all more like
than different.
If you were in those shoes orthose hooves or those paws, you
(26:24):
would very likely Have the samereaction and need this a lot of
help to, and a lot of compassionAnd a lot of healing.
You're listening or you'rewatching.
This isn't designed to be ahow-to Podcast.
This is designed to be anoverview, to give you an
introduction, to offer youanother opportunity to
experience something new withyour animal and And definitely
(26:47):
another an alternative to thingslike there's a place for
anti-anxiety medications andanti-depressants and things like
that and Behavioral training.
But this is something else.
This is something, i wouldventure to say, maybe even
deeper.
Speaker 2 (27:01):
And what I wanted to say also is that it's great to
be an animal communicator andask them how they feel, but the
the way that I've structured thekind of investigation sheets in
the book, you don't have to bean indicator, and not only that.
You can, all of a sudden, justin asking these questions and
(27:23):
answering as if you are Your ownanimal, you're going to get
insights into the whole thing ina way that would have never
occurred to you before, andhealing then starts Right there.
Right, because you're all of asudden going oh, he's beating up
the other cat, because then hecan go outside, not because he
(27:45):
doesn't like the cat, notbecause he's an asshole Oops
sorry, we know all those wordsaround here.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
I had a guest last week ask me can we cuss on here?
Speaker 2 (27:56):
I was like absolutely Right ahead And yeah, the cat
isn't beating someone up becausehe's a jerk.
He's not beating someone upbecause he doesn't like the
other cat.
He's beating someone up becauseyou've accidentally trained him
that the minute he's rowdy hecan go outside, and that's all
(28:17):
he wanted to begin with.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
And it's so interesting because it actually
I was going to say the wordforces, but actually just
invites us to turn that cameralens back on ourselves Remember
that we are a part of thisequation and to consider how we
impact others around us.
And it's so easy.
We talked on the last show,when you were on last time,
(28:39):
about anthropocentrism andtrying to kind of break those
lenses, break those glasses, andlet's try on a new model of
relationship and interdependenceAnd I can't find the right word
but shared responsibility.
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Yeah, they have agency And yet we're co-creating
.
But we're kind of the ones thatturn off the light and pay the
bills and do.
We're kind of big sister here.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
We have advantages in certain ways, we have certain
controls, but then our animalsfind ways like we can control so
much.
And then there are the thingsthat we can't control, like the
peeing that you mentioned or theaggression, and I always like
to approach my own.
I live with four differentspecies here and my own
companion animals sometimes dothings that are frankly,
(29:28):
mystifying and also highlyaggravating.
And to think to myself, to theanimal, this behavior always
makes sense, invites me to turnthat camera lens on myself and
also to try to step into theirworld, the empathy channel that
will draw me into their worldand see life from their
perspective, and I love that youhighlight that not everyone who
(29:50):
listens to Let's Talk toanimals has aspirations to
become an animal communicator onany kind of professional or
professional volunteer level.
I do believe that we're allanimal communicators because
we're all animals And we do havethose inbuilt pathways, and if
they don't always show up, theycertainly can in a crisis.
And EFT is a great way toexplore some of your own
(30:13):
intuitive abilities andopportunities, and yet it's not
required.
It's its own stand alone skillthat you can develop, and it
actually is a great thing to tryon yourself If you're not sure
how your animal is going toreact, if you're not sure you're
ready to try it on your animalyet, start with yourself.
(30:34):
If you can't find any recenttrauma, think back to when you
were in middle school.
I'm sure you'll find something.
And you can try it on yourselffirst and check it out and just
give it a test run, and if itworks well for you, then you can
give it a try on an animal thatyou have, that you or that you
care about, that is strugglingwith something, and see how it
(30:55):
goes.
So, joan, before we concludetoday, of course I'll put all
the notes in the show, notesabout how to find your book, how
to reach out to your team.
But I have a couple of closingquestions.
One, if someone wanted to hireyou or hire one of your teachers
(31:16):
to do EFT, to help them throughit, because I know for me, even
if I think I could do it myself, i often really enjoy hiring
someone to do it with me thefirst time, so I get a sense of
how the whole thing could worktogether.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, it's really a great way to do it.
I mean, that's probably thebest So if you're right to
assist at JoanRamquettecom andasked about that.
If I have time, i'm happy to doit.
If I'm out of the price point,i also have students that need
case studies And then in between, like there's some graduates
(31:52):
that charge less than me but docharge.
So just depending on the needand the budget, we can help you.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
You'll make it happen one way or another.
Now, how about for those whomay want to add EFT to their own
toolkit?
how would you direct them interms of actually studying or
maybe getting certified?
Speaker 2 (32:10):
So then they would want to call my Shannon and I
have my own Shannon.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I know you do.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
And so you would write to info at
JoanRamquettecom.
Even if you wrote to assist,they would direct you to that.
And we do have upcoming.
We're going to have a virtualday at the end of July, online
all day on a Saturday.
I will be in Boston for thosethat will be in Boston in
September teaching at Circles ofWisdom for a day, and then
(32:40):
we've got courses online everyThursday.
Twice a year.
We start that energy healingfor animals And yeah.
So there's all kinds of waysand eventually there will be all
kinds of bookstores around thecountry that I'll be popping
into.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
That's just happening .
But for now, just know that ifyou can find your way to Amazon
or you can find your way toJoanRamquettecom, click on the
store tab.
You can get.
You too can have your own copy.
Yes, The first book writtenspecifically for using emotional
freedom technique with animals,Joan, always a delight.
(33:19):
I can say that now because thisis our second time chatting.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Yes, talking to animals.
Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Thank you so much because this is a needed
resource that will help I'mabsolutely confident in saying
it is going to help so manyanimal guardians, pet parents
and the animals that they loveand care for.
For you, our dear listeners,our dear viewers, thank you for
tuning in for your first or yourlatest episode of Let's Talk to
(33:48):
Animals.
We have three wonderful seasonsprior to this where I speak
with amazing intuitives andholistic practitioners and
guardians all over the world.
You can get a sense of just howwidespread this inner species
consciousness evolution isbecoming.
It isn't a wonderful, wonderful, exciting time that we live in.
(34:10):
If you're just joining us nowfor season four, episodes are
dropping every two weeks.
That's just to give me a littlemore time to do fun things like
read books and do deep diveswith our guests and learn and
grow with you.
Please do bookmarkanimallovelinguagescom backslash
podcast or you can find us onYouTube under Shanakas or your
(34:32):
favorite streaming service, andenjoy all of our episodes.
I look forward to welcoming youback very, very soon.
Okay, all of our love.
Bye for now, thank you, thankyou.
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