Beyond Religion: Experiencing the True Heart of God

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Hi everyone, I want to welcomeyou back to another episode of
Bloody Pure Business Podcast.
Today I have two special guests.
One is Evangelist DennisGingrich and his brother, Jonas
Gingrich.
Welcome them onto the podcast.
How are you guys today?

Dennis Gingerich (00:40):
Phenomenal couldn't be better.

Very excited for this weekend's revival.
Yeah, that's why we're heretoday.
So we want to talk about um arevival that dennis is putting
on this weekend.
Dennis, tell us about it yeah.

So this weekend friday, saturday and
sunday we're doing three days ofrevival, because we did a
crusade here, uh, about twomonths ago, and we're back.
We want to impart to the people.
We want to go deeper than justsalvation and we're starting.
We want to impart to the people, we want to go deeper than just
salvation and we're startingFriday night actually tonight,
at 7 pm and we're going to havefree food so people that come

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off of work, so they can comestraight there, eat and then be
a part of it.
There's going to be greatpreaching, baptisms in the Holy
Ghost, healings miracles.
So if you also have abackslidden family member or a
backslidden friend, bring themhere because they're guaranteed
to get saved and get their lifechanged around in the presence

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of God, because you can't bewhere the Holy Ghost is and not
get your life changed around.
So it's going to be powerful.
Saturday it's going to be 10 amand 7 p am and 7 pm, and also
sunday, 10 am and 7 pm.
So where is that at, if theywant to come to that it's at the
the courtyard by marriott hotelover on horizon drive, so the

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address is 765 horizon drive,grant junction, colorado, 81506.

Yeah, so make sure you come on out.
Um, today we're going to talkabout the love of god Horizon
Drive, grant Junction, colorado,81506.
Yeah, so make sure you come onout.
Today we're going to talk aboutthe love of God and kind of who
he is and why you need to knowHim.
If you don't, so let's justkind of jump right in if you
boys are ready, yes, okay.
So tell me, dennis, how wouldyou describe God's love to
someone who has neverexperienced it?

I mean John 3, 16, for God so loved the world
that he gave his only begottenson that whoever believes in him
would not perish but haveeverlasting life.
I don't know why so many people, especially in America they,
have this twisted view that ifGod's so good, how come all the

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bad things are going on?
Well, there's a scripture inJohn 10, 10 that says it's so
good, how come all the badthings are going on?
Well, there's a scripture inJohn 10, 10 that says it's the
thief, the devil, that comes tosteal, to kill and to destroy.
But Jesus said I have come togive you life and to give it
more abundantly.
The devil is the God of thisworld and not God.

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It's because of Adam and Evesinned and then Satan took
charge of the earth.
But God is an all-loving God.
He cares for you.
Every good and every perfectthing comes from God and every
bad thing comes from the devil.
I want you to remember that,because if you ever struggle
with the love of god, remembergod is good, the devil is bad.

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So blame the devil the nexttime something bad happens to
you yeah, I was just learning inmy.

I was telling you earlier I'm in third week
of charis bible school, so I'mlike a newbie baby here.
But it was interesting to learnthat because the world makes
the devil such a scary guy rightand movies and all that stuff,
and it was telling us how theonly power the devil has is
deceit, lies, and that's all hehas.
He doesn't even have a humanbody.
He's stuck in a serpent, he's asnake, he's on the ground, and
so he has to use those liesthrough people to get you to

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believe his lies.
And if you don't believe hislies, then you're going to be,
you're going to be walking inthe good stuff, because God is
truth, right, god is light, andso I thought that was really
cool because I was like, yeah, Iused to think the devil's got
all this power.
He has none.
He can lie to you, that's it.
But that's what you get inGod's word, and then you get the
truth.

Yeah, cause the devil's under your feet.
It's just like a snake.
You step on his head and youcrush it.
Jesus did that 2000 years ago.
So now, if you, I want you toget this picture of the devil.
When Jesus died on the crossand he went into the grave, he
literally went down to hell andhe defeated Satan.

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He crushed his skull.
So now Satan has this big dimin his skull and he's defeated.
And then Jesus stripped him ofthe keys of death, hell and the
grave.
So he's a loser, a lunatic.
All he can do is try and getinto your mind and tell you

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things and then you act it out,because he can't do it.
He has no creative power, he'sdumb, he's corrupt, he's a
lunatic.
But God loves you.

Absolutely.
Why do you think so many peoplestruggle to believe that God
truly loves them?

I think it's just because the world has
formed this belief and the devilhas done a phenomenal job to
get into the world and get intomany Christians' minds that God
is doing the bad things, thatGod is judging the people, but
he isn't.
He did judge people in the OldTestament, but he's not doing

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that in the New Testament.
It's because the devil is inthe world and there are end time
things that are going to happen, but it's not because of God,
it's because of the corruptworld.
The Bible says in Matthew 24that there's going to be wars
and rumors of war that we'regoing to see before we get
raptured out of here.

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So it's no new thing, but it'snot God.
So when you understand that it'sthe devil who's making these
things happen, the corruptthings, but God loves you, he
literally sent his only son todie for you to pay the price
once and for all.
So what else do you want him todo?
You want him to send anotherson?

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He's not going to do it.
It's paid for.
All you have to do is reach outto God and receive it.

Think about sorry to interrupt you.
Think about I mean, I'm not aparent, I know you are, but I
think about that and I'm like Idon't, other than maybe my
husband.
There's not a lot of people Iwould die for or I'm not taking
a beating for anybody.
You did it you.
You take your beating right.
He did that for you.
And so when you don't love him,when you don't spend time with
him, when you don't want nothingto do with him, you're
dishonoring, dishonoring thesacrifice that he made for you

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throughout giving his son on thecross right, which, if you know
anything about the story ofthat, it's a horrific beating he
took for us and he didn'tdeserve any of it.
I just think, in the natural,I'm like I wouldn't do that for
most people and he did it for us, so don't dishonor him.
And then the love I mean youthink about we were just talking
about that so human love, youknow, the natural love that we
give is like when you dosomething, if you do this, I

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will love you.
When you buy me something, Iwill love you.
If you talk nice to me, I willlove you, right, but when you
hurt my feelings, I'm out.
Or if you do this, I'm leaving.
And that is not the god love,right, because god's love is
everlasting.
Um, it says here in limitationsbecause of the lord's great
love, we are not consumed, forhis compassions never fail.
They are new every morning.
Great in your faithfulness.

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And I think about that.
As humans, we get mad eachother.
My husband, john, makes me madand I'm like, annoyed with him
the next morning.
God doesn't start annoyed withus.

He's like but, son, I'm here, daughter, I'm
here, right right, because he,literally before anybody, he
died for the world.
If you understand what theworld means in the bible, it's's
all the sinners, the peoplethat have not come in the
covenant with Christ.
So he paid for he loved youbefore you ever loved him.

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The Bible says in Ephesiansthat he knew you before the
foundations of the world.
Like God loved you, jesus wasin heaven before he ever came to
the earth.
He would have had to do nothing, but he would have never got to
sit at the right hand of thefather.
But he, when Adam and Evesinned, he told the father I

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will go down to the earth, Iwill give my life for the people
for their sin.
But it's still, even thoughhe's done, that people have to
receive it.
But it's still, even thoughhe's done, that people have to
receive it, still many peopleare going to hell.
The Bible, even if you look at,like the eschatology, like when
the rapture happens, almost 50%of the people on this planet are

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going to go to hell, which issad.
And that's why we're doingthese revival meetings.
That's why we're doing crusadesis to bring the people in these
revival meetings.
That's why we're doing crusadesis to bring the people in,
because the bible also says thatthe bible has to be preached
and witnessed to to every partof the earth, to all nations,

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and then the end will come.
As, as you see, in the worldtoday, we're moving so quickly
with technology, with nuclearwars, to the rapture, and that's
why we want to get as manypeople saved and believing in
god so that they can go up inthe rapture with us and they
don't have to stay down hereduring the seven years of

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tribulation and even after thatand experience the antichrist
hell on earth and all that.

but yeah, so we would love to have you at the
revival meetings yeah, and thiswill be just a little taste of
what you're going to get there.
I mean, dennis gets so fired upand you know, I just kind of
wanted to show my audience likeif you're in this area you've
got to tune into this, and thenI'm are you gonna um air that?
Is it gonna be recorded at allto watch later?

I'm gonna record it yeah okay.

So maybe we can get it out there later for
people to see.
Because, yeah, I am telling you, I hear people, I talk to
people, especially my coachingprogram and they just they think
they're so far lost, like I'vejust done so much that god
doesn't love me anymore or Imessed up so much.
But I want to tell them you'relit, you're, you're looking at
it from a human love.
Like, yeah, for some of yourfriends maybe you messed up too
much and they can't be yourfriend anymore.

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But god does not say that.
It actually says in romans 5 8.
But god demonstrates his ownlove for us in this.
While we were still sinners,christ died for us, like it
doesn't matter that you'resinning, let's change that.
Let's change it today.
It matters going forward, butyour past does not disqualify
you from god's love rightbecause so even there's.

There's people out there that have done crazy
things, like I come from.
We had a lot of challenges inmy family because we grew up
Amish and we had shotguns ineach other's faces, almost
killed each other, almostcommitted suicide, all kinds of
stuff.
But there's people that haveexperienced way worse.
But, no matter what you'veexperienced, god still loves you

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, he's still.
He's always there.
All you have to do is say God,here I am, I want you, I want to
, I repent of my sin, I want youto be my Lord and Savior, I
receive you.
And God is there.
His love is right there.
You never have to.
You can't wander too far.
Wherever you're at, your lifecan change today.

I always picture it kind of like again,
I'm not a parent.
But if my son did something,really murdered someone or
whatever, as a parent you'regoing to always love that child.
Now, you're not going to likewhat they just did, right?
But I don't think you're goingto say you're damned to hell, I
never want to talk to you again.
You're going to love that child, am I right?
Jonas, you're a dad.
Is that kind of accurate?

Jonas Gingerich (11:28):
Absolutely.
You want to bring them backinto being part of the family.

Show them love.

Show them that you've forgiven them.

Yeah, and so if you go to Ephes, love for us,
god, who is rich in mercy, madeus alive with christ even when
we were dead in transgressions,like we're alive in him because
of what he's doing.
It is not too far gone.
If you're watching this, youare not too far gone.
It almost makes me emotionalbecause I'm like.
These people are believing liesof the enemy because they think
they can't come back.

They've gone too far and it's not true yeah,
and it's like people saying, oh,that's what earthly fathers do.
But how much more does ourheavenly father love you and how
much more does he want?
When you get off course, it'snot the end of the world.
When you have a GPS, you getoff course, redirect, redirect.

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Well, that's what God does.
He doesn't like you when youget off course.
He doesn't like it, but heloves you and therefore he's.
But he loves you and thereforehe's constantly convicting you
hey, get back on course.
This is the way I love you.
He doesn't leave you norforsake you.
People leave God, people forsakeGod, but he never does.

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It's like you have a covenant,a contract with somebody, even
in business or ministry.
You might never forsake it, youmight never compromise it, but
if your partner does, there'snothing you can.
You can't keep it the samebecause there's two, two
individuals.
And that's the same way withyour relationship with God.

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You have to do your part.
God is always there, god isalways faithful, he never fails.
But you have to come intocovenant with God.
You have to do your part andkeep the relationship, and that
means also spending time inGod's word, praying,
fellowshipping with God.

Yeah, I think on that side I kind of had
these revelations since Istarted Bible school of like, oh
, I go to church on Sunday and Iread my chapter a day and I'm
doing what I'm supposed to do.
And then I got my butt handedto me the last couple of years
because I'm just doingeverything in my own strength.
And the Lord made it two thingsvery clear to me that like,
yeah, I'm not a bad person, I'mnot murdering people, I try not
to rip people off.
I'm a good person, but thatdoesn't mean that I'm doing what

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I'm supposed to do.
And so he very clearly made itclear to me that one, you're not
giving me your full heart.
And for me, long story short, Idon't.
I didn't have the most amazingdad.
He wasn't around growing up.
He's still not really around,and so, anyway, I don't trust my
father.
So I'm like I don't trust thisguy up here because he's going
to be like my earthly father,because we relate so much to our

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earthly world, right, and soI'm like I don't trust that
you're going to take care of me.
I'm going to do it myselfbecause you will leave, you're
going to get mad at me, whatever.
And so then I got thisrevelation of like you have to
give.
He literally said to me youhave to give me your heart.
You don't, you don't give it tome, you don't trust it to me.
It's same thing my finances.
I'm always trying to do itmyself and it wears me out
because I can't do it all thetime.
And so I think it's so good,like just getting in the word,

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learning what the word says foryourself, seeing that truth,
because not some people, there'speople out there that will
pervert things and they maybetwist the word to what they want
it to be.
We're not talking religion,we're talking you get in the
word, you listen to pastors thatare anointed and good pastors,
and I'm sure you can help leadto some.
Obviously, this one's a greatone right here, he's an
evangelist.
But what's your thoughts on?
Like, how else can they getthat?

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Because some people don't.
What does that even mean?
Getting the word?
Can you explain that to them?

I mean getting in the word is literally
reading the bible.
People are like oh, I haven'tgotten a word from god.
This, my friend, is thousands,if not millions of words right
here, and it's the word of god.
If you ever want the Word ofGod, go reach your Bible,
because there's a scripture.
Because we grew up Amish Tammydidn't, but her husband did so I

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want to just point that out.
But they will keep you.
They tell you to read the word,but it's in German Bibles.
They don't speak German, theyspeak Pennsylvania Dutch, which
similar, but it's different.
And then they they twistscriptures in church and they
want you to just believe thatInstead of reading it for

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yourself.
And the Bible says in Hosea 4, 6, that my people are destroyed,
completely wiped out, for a lackof knowledge.
And that's even if you receivechrist, even if you have
salvation, if you don't have aknowledge of the word of god,
because knowledge is power.
Whether you want to take itthat way, whether you're too

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spiritual um, people can be makeeverything so spiritual, not
get in the word.
Oh, I'm just.
Well, there's spiritual aspectsto God, but there's also
practical aspects.
You got to show God that you'reserious.
You got to get into his wordand receive his promises,
because the Bible says all hispromises are yes and amen.

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And you can say, oh well, justwhatever's in that book, give it
to me.
It doesn't work that way.
What you don't know has thepower to kill you.
What you don't know, that's inthe Bible, in that book you will
never have.
You have to read it, study it,listen to preaching, listen to
teachers of the Bible, becauseyou know why Jesus spoke in

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parables.
He said it in his own words.
Jesus spoke in parables.
He said it in his own words.
He did it so that people thatdon't care, that are just
lightly, regard the word.
They won't understand it.
That's why he spoke in parablesso that people dig into it and
actually find out what it means.
Because the Bible is not justsome book.

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No, it's a holy Bible.
It's a holy book inspired bythe Holy Ghost.
Every chapter in it and it'slike gold.
So when people just want to takea pickaxe and scrape the dust,
they're not going to find it.
They're not going to findanything.
That's why you have to studythe word and dig into it, even

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listen to teachers, but thenread the Bible for yourself,
because people also get off onthe other track, where they just
listen to preaching and you canalso.
When you just listen to people,you can people have things they
want in their mind and thenthey can just just pull that.
But when you know to, when youread the the full bible and

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don't just listen to onepreacher because every preacher
has a certain thing that they'repassionate about and they teach
the best, but they might notteach everything they know even
like as a minister, you only youpreach, maybe teach about 20%

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of what you know.
You might preach 10%, becausepreaching is yelling, teaching
is telling.
It's basically teaching.
You take a little more time,but you have to be exuberant.
I don't even know what thatword means, but it sounded good.
You have to want to know theword and dig it up for yourself.

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Even if you hear scripturestaught, even what we're sharing
today, read them for yourself,because the Bible says the word
is alive.
So when you read it foryourself, it's going to have
what you need for that time andsomebody else might read it and
it's going to have what theyneed at that time and it might

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have a slightly different effect, but it's still the same word
of God.

Yeah, I mean, it's the living word and so
like for me, now I pray over itbefore I start to say Lord, open
my eyes to what you want me tosee in here.
And sometimes it's scripture,specific you know verse jumps
out at me.
Or sometimes it's a story, andI'm like there was a story, I
don't, I think it was in Genesisand I was like the Lord's walk.
It was after they got kickedout of the garden of Eden and he
was walking around on earth orwhatever.

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I'm like, I don't, I didn'teven realize that dude is Jesus.
Like that is so cool to me.
I mean it sounds so stupid bysomeone like you because you're
much further along than me, butit's wild because I'm like you,
like you said, you never know.
For that day, me, I read a bookonce and I'm like pass it on,
I'm done with it.
This is not a book.
You do that with you.

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Just keep reopening it and letGod you speak to you through
that and let him.
Your heart is the yeah, theheart is the soil and you want
to make it fertile.
And so then when that seed goesin there, it plants in right,
Because what's the parablesabout the different soils there
are?

You mean like the?

sower soils.
Yeah, and the stony and the.

Yeah, you have the stony, the stony soil, the
rocky, and then you havebasically the hard soil where
the seed just falls on top, andthen you have the one where the
weeds grow up.

Choke it out, choke it out, yeah, and so you
need to make sure that you stayin the word consistently.
Again, one chapter a day wasnot working for me.
Now, I'm not saying maybe thatworks for you, it didn't work
for me because I'm like I don'teven know what I'm reading.
It's some story about Job.
This poor guy is getting hisbutt kicked, but there's so much
more to it than that you know.
And then sometimes now I'mreading it and I, you know, I
have Bible school and I have todo all this reading and I'm like

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I can't put the story down.
I want to ask and I don't know,maybe any one of us can answer
this but is there any areas inour life that we have learned
god's love in our darkestmoments?
I mean, I can throw somethingout, but do?

you have anything well I'll just share a
scripture real quick that cameto mind psalms 34, 18 the lord
is near to those who have abroken heart and saves such who
have a contrite spirit.
God is present to help, he isnot distant.
When it gets dark he actuallyshows up to restore and rescue.
And I've had many stories but Idon't know what I want to share

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.
But I remember, before I gotsaved, I was extremely suicidal,
to the point where one nightwas my wife, was my girlfriend
at the time and my oldest son inthe bedroom and I had a load of
shotgun to my face whilethey're crying, thinking I'm
going to take my life, and Ialmost did.

I was that close, but then I got saved and
it all turned around yeah, Imean I've seen some of my
darkest moments my, mygrandmother, who was like a
second mom to me.
She died.
A couple years later my momdied and then I'm just lost.
And in my church at the timethey were just kept teaching
about financials and I was likeI am hurting so and I understand

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they go to heaven and that's.
I mean, that's amazing.
Thank god for that.
But in this natural worldsometimes you're not ready for
them to leave.
You know, and in my heart itwas broken.
And so the lord just kind ofmet me there.
There was times in my windowbusiness I got so burned out
that I just lost myselfcompletely.
And there was times I mean Iwas never quite thankfully, as
far as Jonas was, but I wouldtell the Lord I don't want to do
it anymore.

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Lord, please come take me LikeI don't know that I have the
guts to do that, whichthankfully I didn't, but it's
like I can't get out of becauseit's too much for me.
And he just met me there and hegot me through every single day
.
Now it wasn't next day, I'mperfect, I'm jumping around, but
every day.

He met me in that spot and he got me through
it yeah, well, even god turnedour whole family around by him
getting saved in 2016.
Our family was headed down thewrong path.
Even though we were Amish, wewere religious, but let me tell
you this Religion is not arelationship with God.

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Religion some people that arein religion are living far worse
than the people in the worldyou know, because when you're
just in religion, you don't havethe love of, you don't know God
.
You're just following thisman-made hell hole that leads to

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nowhere.
It's like doing all thesethings and then still ending up
in hell.
That's what would have happenedwith my family if we would have
stayed in that.
But there's one Thanksgivingday my brother stuck a shotgun
in my dad's stomach finger onthe trigger so tight, and I was
standing right behind my dad.
I knew the gun was gonna go offand like that moment, death

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flashed through my mind, like Iwas so suicidal at that time and
my brother that we would haveprobably both committed suicide
if it would have happened.
But as my brother is pullingthe trigger because he was so
angry, something like floodedhis body, which was the grace of
god.
It was like an angel came outof nowhere and he couldn't pull

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that trigger anymore.
It was so close that if youwould have put a hair between
his finger and the trigger, thegun would have blown my dad to
kingdom come.
But God saved us that day andthen my brother gets saved in
2016.
And I saw, because I was thisreligious kid, I'm like I'm

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going to stay Amish my wholelife and get to heaven.
But then I seen what Jesus didin his life, like when he
received them.
His life went from partying,doing all kinds of stuff, to now
living for the Lord, a cleanand holy life, and I'm like I
want that.
So in 2018, I leave and I'mlike, yeah, my family's going to

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leave, my parents are going toleave, but it didn't seem like
it was going to happen.
But in 2022, in January, I wasat church and we were praying
and all of a sudden, I had avision.
And I don't get visions.
There's people that I think areweird.
They have a vision every day.
They go to heaven every day.
I don't do that.
I don't try to just havevisions like that.

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But I saw myself asking myparents to come to church with
me and they just said yes.
I was expecting rejection evenin the vision, and they just
said yes and came and that Julythey got kicked out of the
church and I asked them to cometo church and literally the next
Sunday they were sitting inchurch with me.

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That was a story, the darkestover six years.
God brought us out.
God completely restored us.
Now our Thanksgivings are fun,our Christmases are fun, we eat
a lot of turkey and it's a grandold time.

Can I ask you , how is the relationship with
your brother and your dad?
How is that?
Do they get along?
Good now, because I imagine ifin the natural you stick a
shotgun in someone's stomach,that probably is going to ruin
the relationship a little bit.

Yeah, I mean, it probably did at that time.

But where is it today?

Now their relationship is great.

Yes.

Even for me, because me and my dad struggled
but then when I left got saved,um, got restored it.
Because here's the thing alsois family living in the same
house sometimes is rough, likeif you have a good family, great
.
But when you come from a roughfamily like that, sometimes the

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quickest way for God to restoreis for you to live in two
separate houses.
I don't mean if you're married,but let's say father, son, if
you're 18 years old, go get anapartment and you will see how
quickly God will restore,because you won't see every tiny
mistake that your father makes,because sometimes it's the

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hardest the closer we are.
But God can restore it all andhe will.
He did it for my family andthere's nobody out there that he
can't restore.
If he could do it for us, hecan do it for you.

Yeah.
So I say, if you're watchingand you have a friend who's not
talking to you, you got a sonyou're not talking to.
You're not talking to yourmother.
First off, life is so short.
I'm telling you that myself.
You've got to make thatdecision, get with god and then
give it to him.
I've done that in somerelationships that I'm
struggling in and I'm like Igive it to you, lord, because I
can't change this.
They're not, they're notgetting it, they're not
listening to me.
Like I give it to you becauseyou'll restore that, because you

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, you are not so far gone.
Your relationship is not thatbroken, it can be fixed.
I mean, look at the story youhave.
My stuff is so basic and youguys have these like wild
stories that are like it's true,it happened, it changed because
your dad could have been done.
I'm not ever talking to thatkid again and that would be the
lies of the devil, telling youthat nothing can change, he will
never change, it will never bebetter.

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And then he decided I'm notgoing to do that.

I'm going to let.
Whatever.
His process was Right and theLord restored that relationship.
Yeah, and my parents at 50years old, 50 years in a
religion brainwashed to the core, they got out.
You can't.
You can't make this stuff out.
It's hard enough for me.
I left at the age of 16.
It was hard enough for me toget rid of the religion in me

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and actually take God at hisword.
But 50 years, it takes amiracle.
Even within like six months,they were both driving cars.
They hadn't driven a car intheir life, 50 years old, and
now they're driving cars, youknow?

you're never too old, you're never too far
right I mean that's a wild startbecause in my natural mind I
think those people are probablynever going to leave.
They've just known that theirwhole life.

But yeah and that's what the devil told us.
But people use this saying youcan't teach an old dog new
tricks.
That might be true in the world, but it's not true with god.
God can take any situation, nomatter if you're 80 years old.
God can still turn yoursituation around.
God can still use you to winthe loss, to change a person's

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life, like Billy Graham, thegreat American evangelist.
He was Baptist, but the personthat got him saved is not known
well, but he came to his tentrevival and got saved, and then
he went to Bible school andbecame what we know as the great

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evangelist, billy Graham, whodid mass crusades all across
America.
He literally changed Americaand now he's buried in the
presidential cemetery.
He has a whole street namedafter him.
But the guy that led him to theLord is getting the credit for

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every single soul that BillyGraham led to the Lord in heaven
.
You might think it looks likeyou can't do anything, but even
if you're 80 years old and youmight lead the next Billy Graham
to the Lord, you never know.
You keep pushing.
You do what God tells you to doand that's all you need to do
is whatever God tells you to do.

So that's a reminder for this revival If you
need help, if you know someonehurting, if you have friends
that you love and care about.
I mean, I invited people thatare not even speaking to me, but
I'm like, I want you therebecause I want you to see this
why did you become an evangelist?
Why did you go to school atRTPI?

I did it because I had an encounter with
God.
My brother left in 2016 and hetold me one time he's like I
want to go into the ministry.
I'm like why would you do that?
Why would you ever go into theministry?
Because in the Amish, you don'tgo into the ministry.
They vote on whoever's going tobe the next preacher and then

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they stand up there, they rubtheir hair and almost cry and
hee-haw him and it's boring.
That's why people are suicidalin the Amish because they're
preachers.
They scratch their hands.
Yeah, it's dumb, dumb and Ithought why would you ever want

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to do become a preacher?
But then I was at a believersconvention and one time one of
the speakers is preaching and ashe's preaching, he said he said
a phrase.
It wasn't a completelydifferent light, but this is
what I'm trying to get at is theHoly Spirit can preach his own

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sermon to you.
He said how come you're notdoing what I'm doing?
And when he said that, it waslike something hit me in my gut,
in my spirit, and I couldn'tget rid of it.
I'm like you know, whatever,how come I'm not doing what he's
doing?
I could be.
Well, no, I didn't think Icould be, but it did not leave

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me.
And then a couple of days laterI was at church at a men's
breakfast, and the topic waswhat is your purpose in life?
Because I was going to be.
I was in business, I was doingwell, running a roofing company,
doing great.
I had it all planned out.
I'm going to have my ownbusiness, I'm going to make

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millions of dollars, fund thegospel.
And then that morning I justcouldn't move off of it.
What is your purpose in life?
Because now I don't feel likeroofing is my thing anymore.
And on the way home I was justpressing into God and asking him
, like, what is my thing anymore?
And on the way home I was justpressing into God and asking him
like what is my purpose?
Am I called to preach?

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And I just felt that, as strongas the other thing right in my
spirit, you're called tofull-time ministry, you're
called to do what that man isdoing, which is evangelism.
And then after that, I startedpursuing Bible school.
And then fast forward I'm inone of Evangelist Shaughnessy

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and Shuttlesworth's revivalmeetings and that's when the
Lord spoke to me specifically togo to his Bible school and go
that year.
This is in April of 23.
So I started in the fall of 23.
And I'm graduated.
I graduated May 10th, my myoriginal plan was to start Bible
school in this year, but nowI'm graduated and I'm glad I am,

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because God doesn't.
There's there's.
There's too little of a timeleft on this planet before the
rapture, so we're going to hitit hard and win as many people
to Christ as we can before therapture comes.

Yeah.
And so I had a question oh, thelove of others.
So like how God's love changesus to love others, right, and so
like, just really quick, when Iwas young I was a pessimist.
I'm totally an optimist nowbecause I just thought
everything was going to suck andeverything was half empty and
it's all going to deplete and Ididn't have enough.
And then I look at something assimple as I used to love ACDC,

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I was like I'm going to do that.
And Dan Miller, who we all know, came to our house on time and
he's like I would never go to anACDC concert and I concert.
And I was like, oh, you'regross, you're weird.
And and I was like I rememberliterally telling myself I will
never not do that.
And now today, not that I don'tlike their music, the words are
terrible but I'm like I wouldnot, I have no interest in them.
God's changed my heart so muchthat it doesn't interest me

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anymore and it's just, it's areminder of how the
transformation God makes like Icare.
I used to be like you don'ttalk to me.
Good, I'm, I'll never talk toyou again.
Like I was that bitter aboutstuff and I've changed that so
much.
I'm like.
Love can fix anything.
I can forgive you for anything.
Let's just keep working on it,right?
And so it's just a reminder ofwhat that love is for others and
how God changes your heart.

Yeah, cause love is the greatest gift.
It's above faith, it's abovehope.
So if you are struggling withthe love of God, go read 1
Corinthians, chapter 13,.
And it'll really read it.
Meditate on it, dissect it andit'll change your life.
It's the word of God.
It'll give you knowledge on thelove of God.

So let's talk about God's grace a little bit.
So for people who are just newbelievers don't know anything.
You're like.
This is new to me, never heardit.
No-transcript.
Once you get saved, once youbelieve in Jesus.

Yeah, I mean, god's grace is because of what
Jesus did on the cross.
He paid for your sins.
Now there's grace preachers outthere that they're like oh, no
matter what you do, you'recovered by grace, but you're not
If you believe that, you'regoing to hell.
It's just that symbol.
I'm not going to beat aroundthe bush, I'm just going to tell

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you because I love you, I don'twant you to go to hell.
But if you just listen to thatgarbage and just keep living a
sinful life, you're going to goto hell.
But when you believe in yourheart that Jesus died and rose
again from the dead and youconfess him with your mouth,
that's grace, through faith.

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Ephesians 2.8.
And that's how you are saved.
And then grace is theempowerment that God gives you
to live a holy life, to livefree from sin People.
Grace is an empowerment.
Yes, it covers sin.
But if you just keep sinningafter you get saved, then

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there's issues.
You need to knock it off.
You need to quit it and takewhat the Bible that you have to
do.
Once you're saved, you're goingto heaven.
But people are like one saved,always safe.
I don't believe that, becausethe Bible says in Matthew,

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chapter three, that he will knowyou by your fruit, and a tree
that does not produce good fruitwill be cut off.
So once you're safe, there hasto be fruit.
You have to start living a holylife Now.
Yes, you might slip up afteryou get saved, but you just go

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to God and you say I repent ofmy sin, I confess my sins and
please forgive me.
But there needs to be atransformation.
It needs to be a process,because when you get saved, your
spirit gets born again.
But now it's your job To bringyour body into subjection,

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because your body has Things itwants to do, like food.
It craves for food.
So maybe you gotta fast.
Fasting is biblical, butthere's things you have to do
after you get born again to keepyour fire.
Because in Matthew 25, there's astory of the 10 virgins who had

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oil in their lamp, and then itwas a long time before the
bridegroom came.
The bridegroom came, five werefoolish, five were wise, five
brought extra oil and so whentheir oil ran out, they filled
their lamps.
And then the five foolish werecan we borrow oil?
No, we have our oil and it'snot enough for you.

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So the five foolish go back toget more oil and the five wise
had their lamps lit and then thebright groom came and they went
in and when the five foolishcame back it was too late.
That's a representation of thefire of God.
You've got to keep it goingBecause if you let it go out, if

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you become lukewarm and thenyou turn around to go back to
that preacher to get more fire,by the time you return it might
be too late.
If the rapture comes, it's toolate.
You got to keep it burning.
There's got to be anadvancement.
Everything with God is forward,upward increase, growth.

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It's unbiblical to not grow andthat means in your relationship
with God, your walk with God.
Yeah, on the first day, secondday of your salvation, you're
not going to be at where you'regoing to be 20 years if you keep
growing, but it's a growth.
But if you're at the same place20 years that you were on the

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day you got saved, there'sissues.
You're lukewarm and you need toget on fire for God, because
God loves you too much to justleave you where you're at.
He wants to take you from thedownhill and set your feet on
the rock to stay.
He wants Christians to havemore money so they can make

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greater impact than even ElonMusk.
But most Christians don't haveit because they become dry.
They just want to be a littleChristian.
No, the first commandment inthe Bible was be fruitful and
multiply, fill the earth andsubdue it.

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Subdue means govern it, whatelon musk.
Once you get to that level nowyou gotta govern it.
And then you keep going uptalking about being fruitful.

um, two things.
One, I learned something.
They were talking about how,like, we need to be prosperous
and and I think it was BarryBennett, maybe, was saying how
he was talking about people arelike, well, I have enough for me
.
You know, I don't want to beselfish.
And he said you actually areselfish because you are not
getting anything.
If you don't have enough foryou, who are you going to help?
If there's someone on thestreet that needs food, or a

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family that needs a home orwhatever, or the church that
needs help, right.
And so he said you've got toget the money to you and if you
can, if God can get it throughyou, he'll get it to you, right.
And so stop believing that youjust need just enough.
I mean, I look at scripturesand I shouldn't name them, but
I'm so new.
There was scripture afterscripture.
I talked about prosperityexceedingly, abundantly, more

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than enough.
That is the God we serve.

Ephesians 3.20 .

Yeah, is that it?

Yeah.

Ephesians 3.20.
Yeah, is that it?
Yeah, thank you.
I knew you'd save me on thatone, but it's the fact.
It's like you've got to stopliving, and not enough, because
there's too many people that are.
I grew up in such a povertymentality of like we're always
going to be in the trailer park,we're never going to get out of
this, like this is who you are,you stay with us and I just
always knew there was somethingbetter.
And I look at like where I comefrom.
You know, I went to college,but I went to a trade school, so

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I have and I went for generalsecretary and we own businesses.
Now I'm like and we do well forourselves, because God gets the
glory for that, and that's theother thing.
When you're doing well andyou're not just barely surviving
, your kids look like they'rehomeless and you're doing well,
that is glory to God becauseyou're going to.
People are going to see thatand when you help others, they
see like you know my prayers foranswer god, help me through you

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or whoever, and I'm gonna nowget that glory to god, which is
the point of it.
There's scriptures that talkabout that.
So do you have anything, jones,you want to add on that?

how can you help someone if you're not
overflowing yourself?

exactly yeah, and people, because we grew up
the amish, believe in poverty.
They actually think that's away to heaven.
You're glorifying god, but youknow what that is?
It's pride.
And what does pride do?
Pride goes before destruction.
You can, you can.
There's different ways to getinto pride, but poverty is one.

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Second corinthians, chapter 8,verse 9, says that christ became
poor so that you might becomerich.
Oh, rich, yeah, I like rich.
People hate that word, religionhates it.
People might even criticize uson this podcast, but the Bible

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says rich, it says prosperity.
Jesus did everything for you.
And how can he become poor?
If people think he was poor, hewasn't poor?
The Bible doesn't lie and itwouldn't say he became poor.
If he was poor, his wholeministry, the people, the Roman

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soldiers at the cross, theygambled for his robe.
You don't gamble for rags.
You don't gamble for rags.
You throw them in the fire andyou burn them up.
It's not in the Bible, but somestudies show that his robe was
worse.
In today's money it was acertain amount of the year's

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wages, but in today's money itwould be like $180,000.
That was the robe he waswearing that the soldiers
gambled for.
So you think, oh, he was poor?
No, he wasn't.
He had a treasurer, judasIscariot, who betrayed him, and
in those days nobody had atreasurer unless they had money,

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finances, to handle.
But Jesus became poor when hewent on to that cross.
They stripped them ofeverything so that you can live
in abundance, so that you canlive and see the promises of god
fulfilled in your life Iremember uh copeland's people I

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don't know their names uh terryand his the husband, I think.

Anyway, they were saying they were doing a
thing like this and they weretalking about the script that
talks about he opens the windowof heaven and pours out a
blessing so big that we can'tcontain it.
Is that correct?
But they said if you go backinto like the Hebrew or whatever
into the original script, it'sfloodgates of heaven.
A I mean, I think when theyopen the floodgates at the
mountain, at the dams, the waterjust pours out.

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It's not just a dribble and adribble, it's like so much
that's going to send you downthe shore right, like that's the
stuff we need to get therevelation of and that's
something I'm learning about inBible school right now is like
we have this mentality of likenot enough, lack poverty, and
that is a mindset and that'swhere that's not the god I serve

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, because I can't help peopleliving in the trailer park where
I have barely enough for myselfright.

Yeah, you can.
You can't do something.
It's like the bible says loveyour neighbor.
Ask yourself if you don't loveyourself, you can't love your
neighbor.
People try to to be humble.
Oh, you know, I don't lovemyself.
Well you're unbiblical, becausethe Bible says love your
neighbor as yourself and people.

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Just what do you call like thenatural thing?
People love themselves.
They do, and it's not bad.
They do and it's it's not bad,but it's just a natural
habitation.
When people look at a picturethat's a group picture, they
always only see them.

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How do I notice?
Because on saturday I tookpictures with some men and i's
and they're like oh, look at me,I look ugly, whatever'm like.
Why are you just seeingyourself?
I see three people in the group, but I do look at myself too.
So it's biblical to loveyourself, because you first got
to get filled up so that you canpour out.

Yes, we have a lot more to come back to.
We're going to take a realquick pause and we'll be back in
just a second.
Okay, we are back.
I want to talk to you guysabout if you know someone, or if
it's you and you have all thisguilt and shame.
How do we get rid of that andhow do we move into freedom and
purpose?

well, if jonas doesn't want to take it, I'll
take it.
Um, guilt and shame isliterally just not understanding
what god has done for you,because when you get saved, you
get the righteousness of Christ.
It's not your righteousness,it's Christ's righteousness

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comes into your life and whatyou have to do is forget about
the past.
Leave it behind, because that'ssomething the devil uses to
keep you bound.
He keeps you by reminding youof your past.
But do this instead Remind thedevil of his past and remind him
of his future, because eitherone is not great.

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He failed in the past.
He put Christ on the cross.
He thought that's going to behis biggest win, but it ended up
to be his biggest loss.
And we know at the end of thetime he's going to end up in
hell and burn for eternity.
So just remind the devil of hispast if he tries to bring guilt
, shame, into your life.

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And then John 8.32, whom the Sonsets free is free indeed.
Or wait, is that the one aboutthe knowledge of the truth sets
one free?
There's 8.32 and 8.36.
I could mix them up, but one ofthem says that who the Son sets
free, jesus Christ is freeindeed.
So it's literally when youreceive that, you become free.

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You become the righteousness ofGod in Christ Jesus.
That's a scripture, I just don'tknow the reference, but it's
literally when you receiveChrist you can let go of guilt
and shame.
And your mind is a powerfulthing.
Your mind is probably one ofthe biggest things you're going
to battle in life.

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It's when you can get your mindaligned with the Word of God,
meditate on the Word of God dayand night, as Joshua 1.8 says,
then your days will be long,you'll gain wisdom, knowledge
and your life is going to feeldifferent.
All of a sudden, that weight,that guilt, that shame is just

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going to fall off like icing ona cake.
It's just going to fall off,melt away and you'll be who the
sun sets free is free indeed.

You got anything to add.

Yeah, romans 8.1,.
There is now, therefore, nocondemnation in those who are in
Christ Jesus.
So actually, when I first gotsaved now I'm saved and I'm
starting to live this new lifebut I started getting convicted
of all the evil things I've donein the past, especially things
I've done to hurt people, andthen people can't let go of it.
So you still feel like it'syour fault.

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And that was the biggeststruggle that I faced after I
got saved was to find out who Iam in Christ and what Christ's
already done for me.
And that's how I got set freeand that's why today you could
cuss me out right here on thispodcast.
It's water off a duck's back,it's not going to bother me.
I'll sit here and smile at youthe whole time.
And another scripture that Ijust was reminded of at what, no

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, I have seen, which isextremely powerful Colossians
1.22.
Yet now he has reconciled youto himself through the death of
Christ in his physical body.
As a result, he has brought youinto his own presence and you
are holy, righteous, blameless,and you stand before God without
a single fault.

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He doesn't see a single faultin you once you've reconciled
your life to him.

Yeah, because it's like you're washed.
You're cleansed by the blood ofjesus.
It from the top of your head tothe soles of your feet,
everything you've done in thepast.
When you receive jesus christfloods out and it washes away.
But condemnation is one of thedevil's biggest things because

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it takes place in your mind.
A great man of God, a greatgeneral in the face, by the name
of Kenneth E Haken.
He said that thoughts may come,but they're like birds flying
over your head.
Just let them fly over.
Don't let them build a nest,because what he means by

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building a nest is when thedevil brings a thought into your
mind and then you dwell on itand then all of a sudden, it
becomes a stronghold.
No, if that happens, you got toget rid of it.
The Bible says take everythought captive.
So you got to take them captive.
If that happens, and startfeeding on the word of God, tell

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the devil.
Your brain is like a computer.
The more you tell it, the moreit's gonna go to that thing.
So if you give it the word ofgod, then it's gonna bring the
word of god force, like it wasin 2023 of december.
I was out skiing here incolorado and powder horn
mountain is literally like what?
An hour from here, and I took atremendous hit.

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I was going down the mountainlate afternoon and I had my dark
ski goggles on and there's allthese moguls on the hill.
I had skied the hill before andI, I love speed.
God, god is the god of speed,amen.
But I, so I'm flying down thishill.

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I'm going 45 miles an hour.
You may say, how do you knowthat?
I was running a GPS tracker inmy pocket on my phone so I know
how fast I was going.
And with all these moguls, it'sa steep hill and you can
normally, I could easily justsip down, but your skis start

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fluttering and when you try toslow down you can't easily, not
easily you could have.
I was doing fine when I stayedconfident, but I was picking up
speed and all of a sudden it'slike a panic attack from Satan.
I could feel it as soon as Ipanicked.

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I went head over tea kettles,into the brush, into the trees,
flying I land because the hillis steep Mountain hills are not
like the average hill and Ilanded head first on my back,
flying down the hill, hill and Ihit my shoulder and my elbow

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slammed them against two treesand I lay there my head downhill
, my skis up in the air.
I had a ski one of my sticksunder my one rib.
I broke it when I hit myselfand I'm lying there and I'm like
I hurt.
It felt like my collarbone wasbroken.
My arm was hurting.

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I didn't know if I could get upbecause my skis are still on my
feet.
And I know that when you'relying there with your head
facing downhill, the bloodrushes into your head and it'll
kill you within like 15 minutes.
So I know this and I'm like thethought of death literally

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flashed through my mind.
But you know what that thoughtwas not from God.
Another thought came, ascripture came that was in my
spirit.
That said by the stripes ofJesus Christ, I am healed.
And that was the first wordsout of my mouth.
Were not, oh, I'm going to die,because I believe first words

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matter.
I said by the stripes of Jesus,I am healed, I shall live and I
shall not die.
And then I started going afterthe devil.
I'm like you, foul devil.
You're not gonna have my life,you're not gonna have it today.
By the stripes of Jesus Christ,I'm healed.
Because I believe in healing, Ibelieve in instant healing.

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And then a ski patrol that Iflew by, that thought I'm out of
my ever loving mind, comes byand sees me.
He's like, yeah, there's thenut that I, you know, I should
have slowed him down, but hecouldn't because I was out of
control.
But he comes by and he's likeare you okay?
And I didn't tell him that I'mhurt.

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I said I'm okay.
Um, he's like you want help?
I'm like, yeah, could you justhelp me up?
And so he came by, he extendedhis ski, stick out so I can grab
a hold of it.
And I got up and then they leftbecause I told them I'm okay,
not because I was, everythingwas okay, but I told them by

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faith because I hate whendoctors or anything like that.
They go to the extreme.
That's why I didn't tell them.
It's not a lie to say you'reokay because I wasn't dead.
But so I get up and I put myskis on.
I'm like, oh, my one ski'sbroken.
But what happened when I got up?

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The moment I stood up myshoulder which stopped me, by
the way my head just missed atree.
It was like a three inch tree.
My head just missed.
It banked against my shoulderand my shoulder that felt like
my collarbone was broken.
When I stood up it wascompletely healed, no pain.
My arm still had pain.

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It still hurt.
But what did I do?
I got on my skis.
I skied the rest of the waydown and then the ski lift was
almost closing.
But just to stick it into thedevil's face and tell him that
he failed, just like he did withmy family, just like he's
failing with you today.
I got on the lift again withjust one stick.

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My one arm is still hurting andI skied down the slope again,
just to rub it in his face andtell him that he failed.
He tried to take my life.
It didn't work and days lateryou couldn't ever tell that
anything ever happened to me.
A lot of people.
They would end up in thehospital for weeks.

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But when you stand on the wordof God and you have the word of
God in you, there's healingpower.
You tap into what Christ did onthe cross.
He didn't take 39 brutal flesheating, gouging stripes on his
back for nothing.
He did it for your healing.
So no more sickness.

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Even if you break a leg,whatever, you can be healed.
Today, you stand on the Word ofGod.
Ephesians says when you've doneall to stand, stand.
Therefore, yeah, there's tonsof immediate healing in the
Bible, but when you don't get itimmediately, you keep standing.
Just like I got immediatelyhealed in my shoulder but my arm

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didn't.
But when I just stood on itthree days later, everything was
healed.
And when I got back toPittsburgh, nobody could ever
tell that anything ever happenedwhile I was on my trip.

I want to point out three things you said
there.
So one, you need to know theword of God.
That's why you need to readyour Bible and listen to sermons
so that you can stand againstthe enemy when he lies to you.
So one, you recognize that's alie.
And then, two, you know whatthe real truth, what the Bible
says, what God's word is right,what's in you comes out of you
so, like that you instantly knewno, I'm not, I'm not receiving
that right.
I've got some cool stories fromBarry Bennett I won't even go

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into, but he has those storieswhere no just comes out of his
spirit of like, no, I am notreceiving when in the beginning,
about how, basically, the devil, you know, tells you all these
lies.
And I thought, if we're in thenatural and we'll just say,
jonas, this isn't you, but ifyou're a complete loser, schmuck

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, doesn't have a job, beats onyour wife, you're not a good man
, and you're telling me howawful I am Cause you're the
devil in this case, am I goingto be like, yep, I'm going to
soak that in, because no, I know, you're a putz.
The devil is such a schmuck.
Why are we listening to thisguy?
He was thrown out of heaven.
He was an angel that got kickedout because he's a greedy jerk,
right.
And so I'm thinking like, whydo people just soak up what he
says?
He's such a loser, why do welisten to him?

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We need to listen to the power,the father right.
Do you have anything to add,jonas?

well, he always , always disguises himself as
God, you know, he slaps you onthe back.
God did that, you know.
Actually, maybe I'll share thisreal quick.
A few weeks ago, I met a guyactually who was hitchhiking,
which turns out he's nothomeless in that part of the
country, which is very common tohitchhike places.
He was telling me stories of uh, so there's four brothers and

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I'll just I'll go real quick.
The oldest brother was analcoholic.
The doctor told him as, likeyou know, you need to stop
drinking.
It's devouring your body.
He ended up dying of alcohol.
The second one was drowned, gothit by a bus, threw him like 30
feet, killed him.
The third one was drowned, gotinto a fight and got beat to
death.
And now he's the fourth one.
He has two kids, a son and adaughter.

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The daughter's in prison.
She has three kids, so thedaughter's in prison In 2023,
his son, which is about my age,overdosed on fentanyl and died
that very same year.
His daughter's youngest son, hisgrandson, which I believe I
don't know exact age probablybetween 4 and 10, he got hit by

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a car walking or whatever, andgot killed.
Now he's got his grandson,who's almost 18, got a
granddaughter who's a little bityounger than that, living with
him.
The grandson's already onfentanyl and going on the drug
trail, the granddaughter's goingthe same direction.
The grandson won't even sleepin the house.
He sleeps in an abandoned car,out in the grass.

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And so when I heard that, I waslike, man, when I get you to
your location, we're going tostop.
I'm going to pray for you.
Because he's a believer.
He's like I don't know why Godwould do this.
I'm like God did not do this.
And so I prayed with him and I,you know, binded and broke
everything I could.
But I was only there for a fewminutes, and shortly after I got

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there and I probably wouldn'thave to say this, but his wife
came to the door and was likehe's got to go, he's got to go.
Your friend has to leave now andI'm like Interesting.
But that's just.
You know, most people have thatimage of God.
They believe that God bothmakes you sick and he heals you.

(01:00:06):
But why don't you tap into John10.10 and explain that real
quick?

Dennis Gingerich (01:00:16):
Yeah, I mean God does not make you sick but
he does heal you, just like wesaid in the beginning.
But John 10.
Thief comes to steal, kill anddestroy.
Something that came up in myspirit when he was saying this
was the curse goes to the fourthgeneration, but the blessing of
God goes to a thousandgenerations.

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That's why the devil works sohard to not let a family member
turn around, because he knowswhat happened to my family, my
older brother, jonas.
He gets born again, saved, andnow our entire family is saved.
And now I went into Bibleschool and now I'm going out

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preaching the gospel, settingpeople free, getting people
saved and pointing them to JesusChrist.
The devil didn't want that tohappen.
That's why he works so hard andthat's why he's working on that
family.
That family probably hassomething that that probably has
something that he knows.

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If he loses that they're goingto do great things for the
kingdom of God.
Because, literally, think ofthis what I'm doing right now if
I go to Crusades, I'm goinginto the devil's territory and
I'm taking his people and I'mbringing them into the kingdom
of God, and he hates that, buthe's a sore loser.

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Christ has given us all thepower and all the authority over
him and he's under our feet.
So he knows, when you get theknowledge of the authority that
you have in Christ, he can't doanything.
And that family, they're justone step away from getting that.
I believe it's broken right now.

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I'm going to pray for him rightnow because I hate that spirit,
just like that guy's wife cameout.
That's a demonic spirit becausespirits know spirits.
If she was just a personwithout, she would have done
whatever but a spirit.
Whenever a demonic spirit comesinto the holy ghost, the spirit

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of god, it's like you gottaleave and people think, oh,
what's a demon?
A demon is a spirit that livesin a body.
It manifests through a body.
So'm going to pray for themright now.
I don't know if, but that spiritis going to get broken today.
So, father, in the name ofJesus, I curse every demonic

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spirit, every demonic strongholdthat's come under that family
and I command them to leave inthe name of Jesus, family, and I
command them to leave in thename of Jesus, and I command the
love of God, the knowledge andthe power of God's word, the
authority, to come into theirlives.
Let somebody come and preachthe word to them, the
uncompromising ly word of Godthat will set them free forever,

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that they will get theknowledge and they will drive
the devil, sorry rear end clearout of their family.
I command the grandson that'son drugs.
I command him to be delivered,be set free in the name of Jesus
.
I command the whole family tobe turned around in the name of
Jesus Christ.

Tammy Hershberger (01:03:36):
Amen, amen.
I like it.

Jesus came to give you life and to give you
life more abundantly.

Jonas Gingerich (01:03:42):
Yeah, maybe we should even touch on that a
little more, because I go intothe homeless community sometimes
to go soul winning and, asbroken and low down as people
are, they always believe thatGod's teaching them something.
They always believe that God'ssupposed to one that makes sick,
to one that heals, he's the onethat curses, he's the one that
blesses, he's the one that doesevil and then turns around and
does good.
Why is it?

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Is it just bad doctrine?
I mean, I personally believethat's what it is, because a lot
of people teach them that Idon't know why God's given me
this cancer, but he's teachingme something.
I actually know this one familythat the person's almost dying
of cancer and this personbelieves that God has given them
this cancer to be able to savetheir family, which is just

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ridiculous.
And I see that everywhere I go.
And it's so hard because whenyou're soul winning in a
homeless community, you'd expectthese people would be like, oh
my gosh, there's help here.
But no, they're like, yeah,yeah, god's teaching me
something, you know, and I'm,I'm satisfied out here, I'm, I'm
doing all right, you know I'mwaiting for him to give me the
official answer.

I mean, I just feel like the devil uses
his lies because we all, ashumans, want to blame something
that I'm sick because of this orwhatever.
And what if you don't know thescripture of what you know?
Devil comes to steal, kill,destroy.
What do you got?

yeah, because what came to mind is because in
massachusetts, chapter 8, whenjesus cleansed the leper I'm
gonna read this real quickbecause the word of god is
powerful yeah, massachusetts,chapter 8 says, when he, jesus,
had come down from the mountain,great multitudes oh, jesus
witnessed one on one greatmultitudes followed him and

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behold, a leper came andworshiped him, saying Lord, if
you are willing, you can make meclean.
Lord, if you are willing, youcan make me clean.
Then Jesus put out his hand andtouched him, saying put out his

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hand and touched him, saying Iam willing Be cleansed.
And immediately his leprosy wascleansed.
When Jesus told the leper I amwilling, he was telling the
leper, he was telling you, hewas telling me, he was telling
everybody that I am willing toheal you.
All you have to do is receiveit.
The devil comes to steal, killand destroy.
But if you ever wonder if it'sGod's will to heal you, it is.

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If you ever wonder if it'sGod's will for you to be sick,
no, it ain't.
It's his will that you behealed.
Like is it 3 John 2?
That it says beloved above all,that I wish that you be in good
health and prosper, just asyour soul prospers.

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That's what God wants for you,but you have to receive it, one
of the things that God did.
There is a sovereignty to God,but he gave the people a choice.
You can see it all throughoutthe Bible.
He gave us a choice.
The Bible says in Deuteronomy Ithink it's 30, that today I have

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set before you life and death.
But oh, that you would chooselife.
You can choose to serve thedevil.
You can choose to serve, tochoose to serve the devil.
You can choose to serve, togive into the devil.
But you can also choose life,choose what God has.
And that's why, if you are sickand you just give into sickness

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what the devil has for you, youwon't be healed.
You're choosing death and youneed to change it around and say
I will live and I will not die.
Today I'm not dying, I'm goingforward, I'm going upward, I'm
going to get healed.
I'm healed right now.
Because it's not a lie to sayI'm healed when you're quoting
the Bible, because the Biblesays in Romans 4, 17, that call

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those things that be, not asthough they are.
You call them into existence.
That's how faith works.
Faith is really basis, the, theevidence of the, the unseen.
It's there, but we just can'tsee it with our natural, natural
eyes.
But it basically faith.

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What faith does it is?
It grabs the things from theinvisible and it pulls it into
the visible.
So be encouraged no matter whatyou're going through, god is
willing to heal you, to set youfree I want to read something
really quickly before we move onto the back section of our
questions.

Um, talking about being qualified.
So if you're sitting at homeand you're saying I am not
qualified because and then youlist off the things, I want to
read you some scripture.
So 2 Corinthians 3, 5 says notthat we are competent in
ourselves to claim anything forourselves, but our competence
comes from God.
He made us competent asministers of a new covenant.
That means your ability andqualification comes from God,

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not yourself.
Colossians 1.12 says givingjoyful thanks to the father who
has qualified you to share inthe inheritance of his holy
people in the kingdom of light.
That means God has qualifiedyou to be part of his kingdom.
Ephesians 2.8,.
God saved you by his grace whenyou believed, for we are God's
masterpiece.
You are not some broken thing.

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There's a scripture.
I don't know where it is, butit talks about he knit you in
your mother's womb right,jeremiah.
Jeremiah, I mean, he made youas a child.
He put every hair on your head.
He knows every hair on yourhead.
So stop disqualifying yourself.
1 Corinthians 1.27.
So stop disqualifying yourself.
First, corinthians 127.
But god chose the foolishthings of the world to shame the
wise, so that no one may boastbefore him.
God chooses the unqualified bythe world's standards to the

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great things for his glory.
And lastly, philip philippians1 6, being confident of this,
that he who began a good work inyou will carry it on to
completion until the day ofchrist jesus.
So if god started something inyou, he is faithful, he will
finish it Right.
Anything to add before?

we move on no.
God is faithful and just toforgive you of all your sins.

I want to ask you really quickly, If you have
someone, a niece, aunt, cousin,brother, that you're
interceding prayer for, whatdoes that look like for them?
Because we can't receive it forthem, but how do we?
I mean, what does that looklike?

You want to take it, jonas, you go first.
I mean the way I do it,especially for family members,
is I pray like if they'rebackslidden.
No, I mean healing.
You basically just intercede,you pray to God, the healing
scriptures declare them, overthem, but let's say they're

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unsaved.
The bible says in in uh john,chapter 4, verse 36 through 38,
I think.
The bible says that the, theharvest is ripe, but the
laborers are few, and whathappens sometimes, especially
with family members, they don'tlisten to you because you're

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close, like this is my olderbrother.
If he was unsaved, backslidden,he probably wouldn't listen to
me because he's he thinks I'mnuts and.
But so what I do is I pray thatthe lord would send someone to
witness to them, that they wouldlisten to, because many times

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people listen to an outsidermore than they listen to their
immediate family or somebodythat has influence in their life
.
If you pray all of a sudden,maybe the Holy Ghost will lead
them in that direction, thatthey will witness to them,
because some people yeah, inChina they have angels appear to

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them and they've gotten saved.
But the ultimate way is Godsent somebody to them to witness
what Jesus did on the cross.

Yes, god works through people right, and
that's how he gets his work done.
So, okay, we're going to takeone more really quick break and
then we have a few more thingsbefore we wrap this up.
We'll see you in just a second.
Okay, we are back.
I want to talk to you guysabout what it looks like to
truly possess the promises ofGod and not just hear about it.

Jonah, do you got any scriptures on that one?

Yeah.
2 Corinthians 1.20,.
For all the promises of God inhim are yes, and in him, amen to
the glory of God.
For us, Hearing a promise isn'tthe same as owning it.
If you can find it in the word,you can have it, but you have
to find it in the word you.
If you can find it in the word,you can have it, but you can

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but you have to take it by faith.

Yeah, because the bible says in uh isaiah 54,
that he, uh, he blesses thefruit of your hand, the the work
of your hand.
Because people think prosperityis whatever you give in an
offering and then you just waitfor God to bring it.
No, the harvest is ripe.
You go and you harvest, you putyour hand to the plow, and

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that's how you possess thepromises.
You have to work.
The Bible says what he whodoesn't work doesn't eat.
The Bible actually despiseslazy people, and if you're lazy,
don't be lazy from today on,because I grew up hard working
and then people are like oh,you're a workaholic, whatever, I

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actually would like to be aworkaholic.
God likes for you to work.
Yeah, god has rest for you too,but our assignment on the earth
is not to sit around and belazy.
Yeah, the promises of God waswells and enjoyment, but the
ultimate thing, too, is to workfor the kingdom of God.

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You have to have a purpose, andif your purpose is sitting on
the couch eating potato chips,you are probably commit suicide,
because that's where the devilcomes into your mind.
But when you're working, you'reputting your hand to the plow,
you're like I know the promisesof God and you work towards them
, then you will have them.
You, when you put your faith onsomething and work towards it,

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because faith without works isdead.
The Catholics know that.
That's why they just do works.
But you gotta have both.
Faith without works isliterally just saying you
believe it.
But you know what really provesthat you believe something you
put action towards it, likehealing.

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If you don't put action to it,you probably won't even get
healed, like for me, when I wasup on that mountain.
I got up and I acted like I'mhealed.
I started declaring it and thenI acted like I skied down the
hill, like I'm healed.
I didn't just go slow, dripplywalk, no, I skied.

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And that's what you have to doif you want to possess the
promises of God, because there'smany spiritually fat Christians
in church.
All they do is they come warmthe pew, get fat spiritually and
they do nothing with it.
But God doesn't have that.
God wants you to come to churchand receive and then go out and

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produce.
Put it into the world.
In your workplace, work as untothe Lord.
When you work as unto the Lordin your job, when you're the
best that you can be right whereyou're at.
You will be amazed how quicklyGod promotes you, how quickly,
even in your shop.
Then you'll get a new shopBecause people think, oh well,

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somebody just has to hand memoney.
No, when you work, god willbless you.
For an instance, I had this lastyear in Bible school.
I put my faith out for $2,000because I wanted to update my
media equipment.
Like I wanted a new phonebecause I was shooting my
podcast on a phone and my phonewas going bad.

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So I'm like, okay, I want$2,000.
And then, literally like thenext week, a lady reached out to
me and was like oh, I have thisproject, you want to do it?
It's building decks.
Now I'm in bible school to goto ministry, but I did
construction, so it's easy forme.
I'm like sure.
So I quoted her fifteen hundreddollars for the labor and now

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I'm believing for two thousanddollars.
But that still doesn'tdiscourage me because I'm like
oh, this is a sign for God.
God has opened this for me toget it.
But I have to put in the work.
And then we finished a projectand she hands me some extra
money.
I didn't know how much.
She's like I've been savingthis and I've been wanting to

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give it to somebody, and I justfeel to give it to you, and
she's Catholic, she doesn't knowwhat I know, and she had tried
to get somebody else to do thatproject and it never worked.
But then, all of a sudden, Iput my faith on something and
then she reaches out and boom,it works.
And you want to know how muchmoney that was that she gave me?

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It was $500 extra, so theamount was $2,000.
So that's how you possess thepromises you believe it and then
you act on it.
Anything God brings your way,because sometimes it looks like
more work, but if you're notwilling to put in the work, you
won't have it.
So possess it, because manypeople, people want to be Elon

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Musk but they don't want to putin the work he put in.
Let me tell you, you won't getthere by not putting your hand
to the plow.
You won't get there by notmaking sacrifices that he made.

I think too many people sit back and they're
sitting on their couch and God,I need this and God I need that
.
And they're like they'resitting on their couch and God,
I need this and God I need that,and they're just waiting for it
to fall on their lap and I'mlike that's not how it works.
You have to get out and youknow reach out, get, take the
job, take the opportunities,take the business, whatever it
is that God's bringing to you,if you know that's what his will
is.
I also think people don'tbecome obedient in the fact that
they're waiting, like was told.

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This is what they told me likea month ago, and I'm gonna do it
.
And so they made all theseplans, close these things and
made it happen.
And then I asked him where areyou in that step?
Oh, I'm still.
I'm waiting on the Lord.
I said I thought he gave youyour answer.
Yeah, but I need a little moredirection.
I said well, I thought thedirection was clear when you ran
with your pants on fire doingall these other things.
And he's like wow, I didn'tthink about that.
I was thinking he would tell meagain.
And I'm like no, the lord toldyou once you need to move now.
Take a step and he'll meet youthere, right?

yeah, because god, god is a god of.
He likes obedience.
Deuteronomy 28, where he listsall the blessings.
It starts off if you obey thelord your god, um exodus 1526, a
powerful healing scripturewhere he promises healing.
If you diligently obey thevoice of the lord your god and

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do what is right in his sight,then I will let none of these
plaques that are on that I haveput on the egyptians come near
you, for I am the lord that thathealeth thee.
So it's like obedience lateobedience is disobedience.
God will go to somebody elsebecause the time is short and

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when he, if you want to be usedby God, learn to act on it
quickly.
When he tells you to dosomething, if you're going to
mess up, do it.
Moving forward something.
If you're going to mess up, doit moving forward.
Quick obedience is what's goingto propel you forward, because
God's like oh, I can use themNow.
They've proven to me that whenI give them an assignment,

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they're going to do it, becausesometimes people are like God
tells them to do something, thenthey sit around.
Well, he didn't tell me when,but he told you to do it.
If he tells me to do somethingbut he doesn't say when I expect
to do it right away, I expectto get it done right away.
And when you get rid of thatdumb, everything has to feel let

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.
If you want to feel let, I canbuy you a big, giant ball of
lead and I can place it right inyour hands and you can feel let
the whole time.
But sometimes you just gottabreathe realistic, use your mind
, because the bible says he gaveyou the mind of christ, so he
doesn't expect you to be anidiot.
If he tells you to do something, he expects you to do it right

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away.
It's like Jerry Seville Onetime God told him to sow a seed
to somebody and then he didn't.
And then he told him again hedidn't.
Then he told him a third timehe didn't.
And then he's like okay, god, Igot the seed, I'm going right
away.
God's like no, don't go,somebody else has done it.
Now you missed out on theblessing because you're late,

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you know.
And then after that, I mean hewas one of the most generous
givers on the planet.
He just hand out a hundreddollar bills to kids to bless
them.
But late obedience is stilldisobedience.

And that is so powerful because I think
people need to hear that and itand I've heard people talk about
but what if I miss it?
I'm like well, god will meetyou there.
If you really thought you werehearing from him and you missed
it a little bit, he'll help you,he'll get you through that and
just be obedient.
I found scripture 2 Corinthians1.20, that says for all the

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promises of God in him are yes.

Does in him mean when it says yes it's or
yes sorry, it says promises ofgod in him are yes, it means in
christ.
Okay, because the bible sayslike when you receive him,
christ abides in you.
Now christ is actually sittingat the right hand of the father
in heaven, but he sent the holyghost who's in you, who lives
and dwells in you.
In the old testament, the holyghost never lived in anybody.

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He came upon people.
He still comes upon people.
There's different coming uponsomebody is different than
living in them.
But when you receive salvation,you actually the holy ghost
lives in you.
And the Father, the Son, theHoly Ghost the three are one, so
it's actually also Christ isliving in you and that's what it

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means.
So like if, if you're not bornagain, christ doesn't live in
you.
But when Christ lifts in you,then the promises are yes and
amen.

Very good.
Do you have anything else?
To add Jonas to that?
Okay, so it says so.
If you've got this promise fromGod and it's been taking a long
time and it's not happened yet,what can you learn during that
waiting time?

I mean stand on the word of God, because my
thing was always if the Bible istrue, then it's true.
If it's fake, I don't want it.
But the Bible says when you'vedone all to stand, stand.
Therefore, like my family, ittook six years from the time

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that my older brother got saveduntil my parents left and got
saved.
But through that time, you know, yeah, the devil brought
thoughts and it's never going tohappen.
But you keep standing.
You keep standing on the word.
Sometimes all you have is theword.
Sometimes your shield of phaseis full of the fiery darts and

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your arm is heavy.
It feels like it's falling down.
Your armor is all battered upand it feels like you can't
stand.
Your legs are shaking.
You've been standing, but thebible says stand.
Therefore, pray to god for newstrengths, because god will give
it to you.
When the bible says let theweak say I'm strong, so like, if

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you're feeling weak, say I'mstrong because your words carry
power, Isaiah 55, 11 says soshall my word be that goes forth
out of my mouth.
It shall not return void and itshall accomplish do the things
that I please.
God's word will never returnvoid.

That's good.
Do you have scripture, jonas?

actually I do.
Hebrews 10 36 says when wecontinue in God's will, then we
will receive all his promisesyeah, you keep continuing and
what are?

can you name off some of his promises really
fast?

I mean the blessing, Blessing, healing,
health, wholeness, prosperity.
I mean great families and ajoyful life.
Peace joy no depression, noanxiety, because the Bible says
in Nehemiah that the joy of theLord is your strength.
When you're not joyful, thatmeans something's off in your

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life.
That means usually when peoplearen't joyful, they're in sin or
something.
Something's going on because,as a born-again believer with
christ in you all the problemyou should be joyful.
What do people do when they getradically safe?

they rejoice in the lord, they're so thankful
to god and if you're inaddiction and sin and that stuff
and it's like you got a hole inyour heart and you need the
Lord.
This is what you need.
You need the word of God, youneed what he's talking about.
Um, what do you say to thepeople who are?
You know they're stopping shortof that fullness of God's

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promise.
Like they're, they're there andthen they just give up.
Do they just up?
Do they just okay, it's over.
Throw the baby out the bath whyit didn't work, or what you're
saying?

it sounds like you just keep standing yeah,
because kind of guard your heartright, don't let the devil in
yeah, when you're getting paidon monday, the devil shoots his

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best shot.
When it seems like everything'sbad, he's fired his worst shot.
So when you endure through thatand you stand strong, then
payday is right around thecorner.
So too many people just give upor they start.

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I think the biggest hindranceis they start speaking negative
thoughts, they let the fleshcome out of them.
But when you stand on the word,you stay positive.
You keep confessing what youwant to see.
You don't confess where you'reat.
You confess where you want togo and before you know it you're
at.
You confess where you want togo and before you know it it's
over.
And then you look back andyou're like what the heck was I

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doing?
Why was I thinking of giving up?
I was this close.
And when you've gone through ityou know what I mean.
But if you're like, if it feelstoday like you're on the brink,
like everything's against you,you have it feels that you can't
endure anymore.
Let me encourage you, stand.
Therefore, let the weak say I'mstrong, stand strong, hold up

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your shield of faith, which isthe Ephesians, chapter 6, and
keep on the garment of salvation, and your breakthrough is right
around the corner of salvationand your breakthrough is right
around the corner.
It's probably so close that allyou got to do is endure for one
more minute and then confessthe word of God, tell if you're

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sick, say I am healed by thestripes of Jesus.
I am healed, I am living a longand healthy life, because the
devil wants to take people outearly.
But the Bible promises a longand healthy life for those who
are in Christ.
So keep confessing the word,speak the word and your
breakthrough is right there.

Yeah, I don't speak defeat.
Speak the word.
That's the difference.
Did you have something to add?

Yeah, Galatians 6, 9.
So let's not get tired of doingwhat is good At just the right
time.
We will reap a harvest ofblessing.
If we don't give up, you willreceive your healing.
And another thing Dennis wassaying confess the right thing,
but also thank God for it.
You know I am healed, I amstrong, but also say, Lord, I
thank you that I've received myhealing, I thank you that it's

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already done.

I praise you that I've received my healing.
I thank you that it's alreadydone.
I praise you for it.
Yeah, that's actually, that'svery powerful and I do that.
I just forgot you declare theword.
But then the highest level offaith is when you praise God
that it's already done and youmay say, well, it's not already
done, it is in the spiritualrealm, it's already done.
And what you do is you just,you're just pulling it in, like

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Daniel, he was on a fast for 21days.
He was on a fast until he getsthe breakthrough.
But the Bible says in Danielchapter I think it's 10, that on
the first day that he prayed Ialready answered, answered.
But there was a spirit when theanswer was coming, when the

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angel was coming, the devil, oneof his angels, was fighting him
in in the, the heavenly realms,like in the, the atmosphere up
here, because there's threedifferent types of heavens and
um.
And then he had to send michael, the archangel, to come and

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kick his sorry rear end.
And then it was 21 days untilhe came, but he answered him the
first day.
So your answer is on its way.
And the devil.
So here's our phase words whenyou speak, it, it's done it
might.
It's already on its way.

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So you have to just stand firmand you will have it.
So, like if Daniel would havejust quit, if he would have
started speaking negative,defeat All that, then the angels
would have had quit.
If he would have startedspeaking negative, defeat all
that, then the angels would havehad to go back, because the
Bible says that the angels standthere ready to hearken at the

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word of God.
So, but they can't.
They, as soon as you speak theword, they take off on God's
assignment to fulfill it.
They take off on God'sassignment to fulfill it, but
then when you start speakingnegative, they have to return.
They can't keep coming when youstart speaking contrary to the

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word of God, because now you'vejust deactivated them and they
just go back to the Father.

Joyce Meyer had one time on one of her shows
she was doing.
She was talking about how, likeher example, she was laying on
the stage kind of like this,just sitting there like she's
the angel, just kind of bored,and all of a sudden the guy
starts praying and he pops upand he's like I'm going, and he
starts going.
And then the guy just startedtalking defeat and it's not
happening.
And then he's just like, oh,and he had to go back and he was
like I was on my way.
And then you just like, stopbelieving, so don't, don't you

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know?
So that seed, like a farmerdoes, but then don't go tear up
your garden after you've seededor sowed the seed, because
what's the point of that?
That's really good.
Yeah, jonas and dennis, um, Iwant to.
We kind of hit this next alittle bit, but do you have any
other scriptures, jonas, for?
Um, what role faith andobedience plays?
I think we've hit it prettygood.
I do have James 2.17.
It says in the same way faithby itself, if it is not

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accompanied by action, is dead.

That's kind of what you just said Do you have
anything else, Jonas?
I just had a note that I waslooking at after what you were
saying Don't abort the harvestwhile you're still in the soil.

That's good.
Yeah, yeah, um.
Okay.
The last question um, how doyou encourage someone who feels
like they're on the edge ofbreakthrough, but they're still
just in the wilderness?

I mean, just stand there for, be encouraged,
listen to other people that havecome out like, listen to other
people that have come out likethe testimony of my family,
listen to testimonies that willencourage you.
Because revelation, chapter 11,verse 12 or is it 12, 11,

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whichever one of the two?
It says they overcame them bythe word of the, by by the blood
of the lamb and the word oftheir testimonies and they did
not love their lives, even untothe death.
I just love that because Idon't love my life, like if I
die today, I die today but I'mnot going to.

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But I come with that mindset.
But testimonies are powerful.
That's why, even throughout theBible, that's why they recorded
all the miracles, all themiracles in the gospels Matthew,
mark, luke and John that theyrecorded.
Those aren't even close to allthe miracles that Jesus did.

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But doing, listening to otherpeople, how they came out, that
will build your faith.
Because people say, oh, I'mjust going to pray for more
faith.
No, you don't get more faith bypraying.
It's unbiblical.
The Bible says in Romans 10, 17,that faith comes by hearing and

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hearing by the word of God.
Faith is not built by praying.
Faith is built by hearing theword and hearing the word of God
.
Faith is not built by praying.
Faith is built by hearing theword and hearing the word of God
.
So when you hear what God didthrough other people's lives,
how he turned their life around,you'll be encouraged and it's
going to.
You'll be strong Because I'mnot going to lie Sometimes when

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you're standing it seems likeeverything is against you, but
then you hear how somebody elsegot through and then it's like
you just get a new tank of fueland you're like I can do this, I
can stand, and then yourbreakthrough is right there.
Moses was in the wilderness for40 years.
He stuttered, he couldn't evenspeak right, and then he came

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and delivered the Israelites outof Egypt.
If he wouldn't have keptstanding, we wouldn't have what
we have today.

Yeah, I mean this is so worldly.
But we heard a pastor one timetalk about this and he was
saying like wouldn't, wewouldn't have what we have today
.
Yeah, I mean, I just this is soworldly.
But I we had a pastor one timetalking about this and he was
saying like when you ordersomething I need I don't know
shoes and I ordered them fromwell, that's not a good example.
I need something from Amazonand I order it on my phone and
I'm like okay, I got my newphone coming.
It's going to take five days torun around in a panic.
I need a phone.
I need a phone.
I got to go look at phones.
No, because I already orderedit.
It's coming.

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I'm going to just let it go nowbecause I'm away from my phone.
If we can have that much faithon Amazon, can we not have it in
God, right?

Yeah, because one of the biggest forms of
faith is, yeah, you declare theword of God.
But then it's also like knowthat it's done.
Jesus, in the midst of thestorm, he was sleeping in the
boat and then he rebuked thedisciples.
When he got up, for littlefaith and all he did was stand
up, rebuke the storm.
And it was done.

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So, like when you know that,you know that's when you're full
in faith, and then you just letit go.

Trust it, yeah.
And then I think if you have atestimony, you need to share
your testimony with peoplearound you and the people that
are struggling, because we allhave them and we think sometimes
we're disqualified, we don'thave any value, that's not going
to help anyone, but that is thevery thing that might build
someone up to think it happenedfor you, it can happen for me.

Yeah, and you even get encouraged by sharing
your own testimony, and it'sbiblical to share your testimony
.

Jonas, do you have anything else?

Yeah, back to Colossians 1.22.
Actually, believe that you arerighteous, you are holy in God's
sight, and if you're not, youwill be given that opportunity
here shortly to get right withGod.
In Colossians 1.21, itclarifies that.
It says this includes those whowere once far away from God.
So if you were once far awayfrom God and you've been
reconciled to God, then thesepromises are for you, and if

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you're not right with God yet,then in a few moments Evangelist
Dennis will give you thatopportunity.

Yeah, we do these podcasts, but to benefit
you.
And if you're not right withGod?
Today, you're saying I heareverything.
You're saying I like it, butI'm not living the way that I
could or should.
I'm living a life of sin.
You might even be living withyour girlfriend right now and

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you're backslidden.
But you're saying I want to getright with God.
If you're living with yourgirlfriend, get saved and then
move out until you get married.
But you're saying well, how canI do this?
Sometimes you have to sacrificefor Christ a little in the
beginning, because the devilcomes at you any way he can to

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try and discourage you fromdoing it.
But then it comes full circleand there's one story the one
lady.
She got saved and then she cameback and told her husband and
he's like, well, if you're goingto do this church stuff, I
won't be married to you anymore.
And he divorced her and theyhad a little granddaughter.

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And then that granddaughterwent to Bible school and now her
and she met her husband thereand they were pastors and they
have four boys.
Their four boys are allpreachers of the gospel and now
30-some grandchildren arepreachers of the gospel.
The devil tried to get herdiscouraged where her husband

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left her, because he knew ifthat little girl goes to Bible
school, there's going to be awhole generation of preachers
that are going to disrupt hiskingdom.
But she stood through it andlook at it now.
She won't regret it.
So if that's you today, ifyou're saying I've never made
Jesus Christ the Lord and Saviorof my life, or I once did, but

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I'm living lukewarm and I needto come back into relationship
with God.
I need to get right with God.
I want you to pray this prayerwherever you're at.
I want you to lift your handsas a sign to surrender to God
and I want you to say this fromthe bottom of your heart.
I want you to say it nice andloud.

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You're not talking to me.
I'm just leading you in aprayer, because some people have
never prayed before, but you'retalking directly to God.
So I want you to close your eyes, lift your hands and say this
from the bottom of your heartSay Dear Lord Jesus, I repent of
my sin.
Wash me, cleanse me of all mysins.

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Jesus, I believe in my heartthat you died and you rose again
on the third day from the grave.
I receive you as my Lord andSavior into my life today and I
thank you that I'm on my way toheaven and I'm saved.

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I'm born again and I'm going tolive the rest of my life for
you In Jesus name, amen.
If you just prayed that prayer,I want you to go to
DennisGingrichorg and click thefirst button that says I just
got saved, and I want you tofill out that form so that I can
send you some stuff, because Iwant to know that you prayed

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that prayer.
It's like sharing yourtestimony.
Let us know that you prayedthat prayer.

And welcome to the family.
You are now a brother andsister to all of us in Christ,
amen that's great.
Okay, so to end this, we wantto talk one more time about the
revival happening here in GrandJunction.
If you're in the area, tellthem about it one more time,
please yeah.

So tonight, um through Sunday night we're
gonna do tonight at 7 pm.
We're doing doing three days ofrevival.
It's starting tonight.
We're going to have free foodfor everybody 7 pm, so you can
come straight from work.
And then we're going to doSaturday, 10 am and 7 pm.
Sunday, 10 am and 7 pm.
These are going to be powerfulservices.

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I'm going to be preaching allthe night services and then my
friend, pastor Baba Boul, bulas,from all the way from st louis,
missouri, is going to come andbe there.
So it's going to be at themarriott hotel in grand junction
, 765 horizon drive, and we'dlove for you to be there.
Also, if you want to be a part,if you want to volunteer or you

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you can click on volunteer oryou can click on on the give now
button if you want to supportit.
So thank you and god bless youyeah, come on out.

We thank you all for listening to this
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