July 21, 2023 • 31 mins
Ever been paralyzed by fear or feelings of inadequacy? Ever wished you could rise above them to live a life of bold faith? Our latest episode is just the inspiration you need as we sit down with 77-year-old Gail Harris. Join us for a riveting conversation as Gail shares her spectacular transformation from a psychedelics user saved in Jesus Revolution to a fearless witness for Christ. Hear about her divine encounter with Jesus, the miraculous events that affirmed her faith, and how she learned to be bold in sharing her faith in 50 years of doing evangelism from smuggling Bibles into China to street witnessing in San Francisco. She shares tips and tools that help her overcome fear and awkward moments.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
What if you had a guide who could tell you how to
bridge a gap between who you aretoday and who you are destined
to be?
What if, each week, you couldhear a story of someone who has
tried and succeeded, or perhapstried and failed but learned
something in the process?
Limitless Spirit is a weeklypodcast where host Helen Todd
interviews guests about topicsand personal stories on defining
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life's purpose, pursuingpersonal growth and developing a
deeper faith in Christ.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Welcome to the Limitless Spirit podcast.
This podcast is for those whoare seeking to live a life for a
greater purpose and discoverGod's will for their lives.
So if that's you, I'm so gladyou tuned in to this particular
episode.
I'm your host, helen Todd, andtoday we will explore what does
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it take to be bold in living andsharing your faith?
When was the last time youapproached an acquaintance, a
co-worker or a complete strangerto talk about your faith?
In today's culture, at least inthe United States, it sometimes
can be perceived as offensiveand in some cases, even illegal.
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It takes supernatural boldnessand confidence Aside from
working up the courage to evenstart a conversation.
Many times we are overcome withthe feeling of inadequacy.
Do I know the scriptures wellenough?
Am I trained in apologetics?
Is my lifestyle holy enough torepresent Christ?
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Today I talk with a 77-year-old, gail Harris, who has impressed
me with her boldness in sharingthe gospel message with
complete strangers here in theUnited States and in other
nations, where she frequentlygoes on mission trips.
She came to Jesus in the midstof Jesus' revolution as a
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psychedelics and acid user whowas on her way to see a guru,
yet encountered someone whoshared Christ with her.
So in her story, gail shareshow she has developed that
boldness to be a witness forChrist.
If you are ready to break freefrom fear and step into a life
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of bold faith, stick around,because this episode is for you.
Let's dive in.
Thank you for joining us.
Hello Gail, welcome to theLimitless Spirit podcast.
How are you today?
I'm fine, helen, thank you.
How are you?
I'm excited to talk to youabout your story.
This will be the first time I'mhearing it, but my husband,
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chuck, who heard you share it inIreland, said it's something
like a script from the movieJesus' Revolution, which.
You are that generation, you're77, and you are from California
originally.
I am from California.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
From California.
I'm from 1970, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, he said it was just like in the movie even
better that's what he said evenbetter.
So we're going to talk aboutyour story.
I also want us to talk aboutyour gift.
I think it's a spiritual giftand it's the gift of evangelism
and the boldness that you havewhen you share the Gospel.
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I watched you share the Gospelwith strangers in the street in
Albania, which is a Muslimcountry, and I've watched you in
Mexico, and it's contagious andit's inspiring, and I know that
there is a number of Christianswho are intimidated when it
comes to sharing their faith,and so I think you have a few
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points to share and encourageothers.
So let's talk about how youcame to know Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, my family was Jewish, so the last person we
wanted to be God was Jesus.
I was a teenager.
We were not very religious,although my grandparents did
celebrate Passover, so I knewsome Old Testament stories.
That was about that.
I had a neighbor who wasCatholic, so I think I might
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have gone to church with her acouple of times, but had no
interest really at all inreligion as a teenager pretty
much an agnostic, atheist.
And I had a very nice life, allthe things that are supposed to
make you happy nice house, nicehusband, perfect job, you know
all those things.
But when I got into my early20s I just felt so depressed.
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There must be more to life thanthis.
So you were married.
I was married, yeah, I had acouple kids, nice house,
everything that you're husbandwas perfect.
Yeah, it was good.
But I was miserable, unhappy.
So I just went there must bemore to life than this.
And I just went on a plow totry to figure out what that
thing was.
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And it didn't start out verygood because I thought it was
the first time.
I was married to.
So left that left all the nicethings.
I had started using marijuanapsychedelics because I was just
trying to discover what elsethere is in life and wait and
did you say you had kids alreadyby that time?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, they left a lot of kids, so you left your kids,
everything left, everything,everything wow.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah right, house and everything.
And at one point I just wastrying out if there is a God,
please do something.
Let me know that you're real.
I just can't take this anymore.
If you're God, let me knowyou're real.
And God started just doing kindof miraculous things in my life
to let me know that he was real.
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So give me an example.
Ok, this is one of the firstthings.
I still had my kids with me atsome time and at one point, when
I was in desperation like that,my children who I'd never sent
to and we were just finding itall started talking to me about
God.
I have no way to explain that.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Other than.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
God, how old were they About three years later
when I was a kid?
3 and 6.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's incredible.
So they started asking youquestions about God.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I really can't tell you the details, but it was
definitely.
They were talking to me aboutGod.
Another example that makes Imean these things make no sense
to me, as my car wasn't workingin the morning when I was
getting ready to go to work andat one point I just
automatically called the housecompany come and jump the
battery and everything.
And they were like I'm notthere.
He said well, there's a newbattery in it, try it and start
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it.
Fine, this sounds really silly,but God really did stuff like
oh, no, this sounds just likeGod.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
This sounds just like God.
That's incredible.
And new battery in a broken car.
Well, remember in the movieJesus revolution when they pray
for the main character's car tostart because he's going on a
date to pick up a girl and,after laying hands on the car
several times, the car finallystarts.
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But yours is even cooler.
And new battery.
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, and another time, like I was doing
psychedelics and I went up onthis mountain and the whole time
I was there I was at the footof the cross with Jesus.
So I really didn't knowanything about just things like
that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Have you culturally heard about Jesus prior to that?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Maybe just the same things people hear about
Christmas time.
You'd hear about the birth ofJesus as a kid.
At Easter time.
There were probably referencesto people dying on the cross.
But it was really nothing I wasinvestigating, except that I
really wanted to know who thereal God was, but I didn't think
it was going to be Jesus.
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I would be chanting with theKrishna people and meditating
with the yoga people and dancingwith the Sufis, going to a
spiritualist church.
I just didn't know who the realGod was.
You were just seeking.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So who made Jesus real to you, who introduced you
to Jesus?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, I'm going to tell you that part right now.
So I lived in an apartment atthis point with a couple of
other ladies and a guy.
And the guy that we lived withwe kind of thought of him as our
Guru, who is a very religiousguy, not necessarily about Jesus
.
So on January 1970, he and Idecided we would hitchhike to
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New Mexico to ask Baba Ramdas,who was the Bevil's Guru, and he
had an ashram in Albuquerque,New Mexico.
We were going to hitchhikethere and ask him who was the
real God, this other guy.
So we started hitchhiking.
We get to the desert in NewMexico Nobody's picking this up
and he had read something in theBible about Jesus walking out
into the desert and fasting andpraying for 40 days.
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So he said he thought we shoulddo that, since nobody was
picking this up.
So we walked out into thedesert and I'm out there for a
couple of hours.
So I go.
I don't think I want to do this.
So I went back.
He stayed in the desert, gotback to the freeway.
Somebody picked me up rightaway.
They weren't very nice people.
They stole my money and kept mewith them.
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But I did get to Albuquerque,New Mexico, and in those days if
you wanted to know aboutspiritual things, there were
occult bookstores.
So I found an occult bookstore.
I went in and asked how do Iget to the ashram to ask Baba
Ram Das, who is the real God?
And they said I can't go therebecause I don't have a
reservation or an appointment.
So I had no idea what to do.
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There were some people out inthe street in front of the
bookstore playing guitars and Istarted talking to them.
I lived in a commune with agroup called the Children of God
, which was kind of a cult, butthey said I could stay with them
.
So I went to their community.
But they did share with me thereal gospel.
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They told me Jesus was the realGod.
He got in the cross for my sins.
I could ask Him to forgive me,become the Lord of my life, ask
the Holy Spirit to come liveinside me, and I just got it
that I was asking God to show mewho he was, and that's where he
led me.
He didn't let me go to see BabaRam Dass.
Instead, he led me to peoplethat shared the gospel.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That is pretty incredible.
So something within you,because you by now you had heard
all kinds of different versionsof God but something within you
told you this is the real thing.
This is true.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And that night I prayed.
You know I went.
I believe you're God.
I believe you got in the crossfor my sins.
I know I've sinned.
Come into my life, be my Lordand my Savior.
Let the Holy Spirit come andlive in me.
And it just felt like a weightwas immediately lifted off of me
and I just recognized that'swhere God had loved me.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, that is pretty incredible, and I think it's so
biblical.
All kinds of people can be usedby God to proclaim the truth,
even if they're not living thattruth at the moment, as long as
they speak it out.
A spirit that is seeking isready to receive, and this is so
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simple.
You know, sometimes weovercomplicate sharing our faith
.
We think we have to be wellversed in scriptures, we have to
reach a certain point ofmaturity, spiritual maturity,
but in fact, as long as youproclaim the truth with your
mouth, it achieves results.
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So that is incredible.
So how long did it take fromthat point before you felt like
you found your place in the bodyof Christ?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, you know, I immediately felt like I was a
follower of Jesus.
I didn't know anything aboutthe Bible.
I stayed with that commune fora couple of days, read a little
bit of the Bible, and then I washitchhiking back to California
and anybody who picked me up I'dgo hey, do you know Jesus?
I mean, I didn't know anythingexcept what just happened to me.
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So I just it was so fantastic.
I just have this inner sensethat I really found the real God
.
But I just shared the littlebit that I knew, which was
really basically nothing.
When I got back to California, Ijust started reading the Bible,
because that's where they toldme I learned more about God.
And then, as I read it, I justreally fell in love with Jesus.
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I started reading the NewTestament and I want this as the
kind of person that everybodyshould admire, love, honor, live
for.
And I started seeing the partsof my life that were out of
alignment, which was the Biblesaid how I should be living.
And I just continue to repentand make changes in my life.
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And it was five more years tillI actually got baptized and
went 100%, all in.
You know, I started going tochurches and at one point.
I still didn't know much aboutthe Bible, but pastor of the
church said oh, god told me thatyou're supposed to be the
junior church Bible studyteacher.
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So you know, oh okay, I didn'treally know anything.
So I went up.
This is really going to make mestudy the Bible more so that I
can actually be telling withkids what it actually says you
know, this is how the HolySpirit works.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It is pretty incredible, but even in your
story it's very clear that Goduses people.
He uses people to reach otherpeople for Christ, you know,
whoever they are, as long asthey share the gospel.
That's how another personreceives the gospel.
Can God appear?
Can Jesus appear to people invisions and dreams and bring
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them to salvation?
Yes, and he has done that.
I've met people, especially inthe Middle East.
They received the knowledge ofChrist just through a vision.
But the theme, the gospelmessage and the theme of what we
are to do after Christ ascendedand before he returns, is to
take the to be the witnesses.
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The witnesses his discipleswere the witnesses of the life
of Christ, but we, who aregenerations and generations
after, we're the witnesses ofwhat God does in our lives.
And that's why I think yourstory is definitely part of the
reason why evangelism comes sonaturally to you is you know for
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fact?
It's not something that youwere taught, it's not something
that was imposed on you.
God literally rescued you fromsomething terrible, a terrible
lifestyle, and so I think it'seasy to be a witness.
When you know something forfact, it's easy to share it with
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others.
But, at what point so youstarted teaching the Bible?
When was your first missiontrip?
When did you feel the desire toactually take the Great
Commission seriously and Well,I'll tell you what actually
happened.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I can't remember exactly what year it was, but
Bill Bright Campus Crusade forChrist at one point was during
the I Found it campaign.
I don't know if you're aware ofthat.
So they were putting billboardsall over that just that.
I found up and they didn't saywhat it was.
And they were doing trainingson how to share your faith and
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they were using the principle oncampus crusade, the four
spiritual laws book.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that.
So the first I was going to wasdoing a little training on that
and it was about how to be ableto share your faith.
So I went to the training andit seemed really good, but I
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didn't know they were gonnaactually do this.
After we went through thetraining, they went.
Now you are gonna go out, twoby two, and go in neighborhood
and knock on doors and share thegospel message that we just
taught you how to share, asthat's what I found it was.
I found relationship with Jesusand I gotta tell you, even
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though in the past I was talkingto people out in the street, my
knees were knocking.
I was so nervous when they toldme that I was gonna go out and
knock on doors and try to sharebiblical gospel principles.
So me and my teammate went outand actually people actually
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listened to us.
I was amazed and some peoplewere really grateful and happy
that somebody had come to theirdoor with a message that they
really needed to hear.
So when we met back again afterthe training some people said
people prayed to receive Jesusand we're connecting with the
church.
So that's when I really got thevision that there are people
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out there who are just waitingto have somebody share this
truth with them.
So that was kind of my start.
How long ago was that?
There was maybe like 1977,something like that.
I'm not absolutely sure, but itwas a few years into my walk
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with Jesus when I actually didhave a little, a few more
biblical principles andknowledge.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So you've been doing this for almost 50 years now.
Oh, watch out.
Yeah, absolutely Half a century.
That is absolutely incredible.
So I am sure that you have somevery crazy stories.
So let's think of somethingthat just comes to mind that was
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very exciting or verychallenging, or maybe both.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
a little bit.
Well, I'll tell you about myfirst two mission trip
experiences.
I was older, I had a couple ofteenage kids and the church I
was going to I was working withthe youth group.
So we actually took the youthgroup a couple of times from
Mexico.
That was one of my first trips.
And also I was working withanother organization called SOS
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San Francisco that we were going.
Every summer they have like a 10day campaign where we would go
to the streets of San Francisco.
So you know how the culture isnow all over the world with
LGBTQ thing.
Well, san Francisco has beenlike that even back then.
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So every summer we'd go downthere for 10 days, go out on the
streets, bring worship teams,bring speakers.
We would do marches carryingsigns and I brought the youth
group down there.
They did dramas out on thestreets and we got a lot of
opposition from the rest of thecommunity there.
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So a couple of times we'd havewe'd be out in streets doing
outreach with Chuck Gerard orsomebody doing music and the
community that was against uswitnessing would come up and
spit in our face or threaten usand stuff.
And at one point we were infront of the Civic Center down
there carrying a campaign forJesus, and so many of the
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homosexual came out.
Community came out to harass us.
The police actually came outand surrounded us.
We got down on our knees andwere just praying and the police
surrounded us to protect us andwe just were able to continue
with our ministry.
So I did that every summer formany years with us with San
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Francisco.
They're still operating therein a very antagonistic, I think,
imagine environment there.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know, this makes me think of something.
I was just looking at thescripture in the Gospel of Luke
and then in Acts, chapter one,where Luke describes how Jesus
gave the Great Commission to hisdisciples and he tells them, he
encourages them to go and sharethe good news and he says in
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Jerusalem and Judea and Samariaand to the ends of the earth.
And so you know, jerusalem, yes, they got that.
Obviously they wanted to dothat.
Judea, yes, it's their country,you know they wanted to do that
.
But when it came to Samaria, youremember, in the culture of the
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time, talking to a Samaritanwas repulsive.
To a Jewish person it wasoffensive, repulsive.
And so the Samaritans were notforeigners to them, they kind of
came from the same route, butit was in our day.
So it's like going to someonefrom a different cultural
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background.
You know, like you were talkingabout the San Francisco, where
you know the environment, whereChristian normally wouldn't go
to, and sometimes I think thatsharing the Gospel in Samaria,
so to speak, is more difficultthan going to the ends of the
world, because there is so muchanger I think that is built up
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in society, especially today,and yet the progression that
Jesus gave us is very clearJerusalem, Judea, samaria.
You can't skip that part, and Ithink sometimes Christians are
more eager to go to the end ofthe world than they are to go to
the modern-day Samaria, so tospeak.
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So what you shared is reallycool.
You went to Samaria, you gotthe training, you were
persecuted and yet protected.
You were able to continue.
So was this the most difficultexperience that you had?
Was there a time when youliterally had to overcome this
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resistance of the flesh, becausesometimes our spirit is willing
but our flesh says no?
So have you had that kind ofexperience?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Actually no, yeah, even though there has been
opposition or danger, god justwired me that way.
So my other trip that I thinkwas really outstanding and
dangerous, like when I was aboutI don't know 40 or something, I
heard about Bible smugglinginto China bonkeys for Jesus.
Back at that point you reallycould not bring Bibles into
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China.
So I went man, could I reallydo that?
And I connected with a groupthat was based in Hong Kong and
for a few weeks we smuggledBibles into China back and forth
across the border wearing skirtunder garment that had pockets
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we put like 50 Bibles in.
When you'd walk they'd kind ofslap against your leg and we had
to continually go throughcustoms and everything and that
was pretty scary.
At one point one of the customssaid Officer, do you have
Bibles with you?
And I have a Bible and I had mylittle Bible in my backpack or
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something.
And he let me go.
Another time one of our otherpersons was seen that I was
getting harassed.
She made a scene on purpose sothat they would just let me go
through.
So that was pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
How were you distributing these Bibles?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Okay, so we'd get across the border.
Then the guy that was ourleader was pretty nervous
because he'd been doing it for awhile and he recognized, you
know he could really get introuble.
So he would tell us where themeeting point was on the other
side.
At one point I got mixed up andI walked up some stairs and
ended up in an army barrackswith some Chinese men.
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I just went oh excuse me, youwalk back down.
Then what we would do would bego into like a tourist hotel and
go into the bathroom, take themout of our skirt and put them
in a bag.
But the other part that I didn'tknow was going to happen is all
the bathrooms in China, in thetourist places, they have
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attendees in the bathrooms.
So there's some lady therewondering why are my end the
toilet stall for 20 minutes,what am I doing?
So I would have to pretend Iwas sick or something.
So one of the ladies with usshe actually did get stopped and
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taken in for questioning andthey kept her there like all day
and she actually had anopportunity to share the gospel
with them.
The border guards were toldthat this was pornographic
material we were trying to bringin.
So that's what they thought itwas, but she actually was able
to share the gospel.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, this sounds like a Hollywood movie script,
gail.
That's pretty exciting.
So you have had quite theexperiences and I think that you
have probably some advice toshare with people who maybe have
this desire deep down inside tofulfill the Great Commission,
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but maybe feel a littleintimidated or unsure about how
to be bold in sharing theirfaith, and not only in other
countries and other cultures,but even in their own
neighborhood or in Samaria,uncomfortable culturally area.
So what advice would you givepeople?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
I know most people are verytimid about sharing.
I think what most people thinkis that they're going to have to
know a lot of apologetics andbe able to answer every question
that somebody might ask or anydebate.
So I've been sharing.
I just take out one or twopeople with me in my own
hometown here and we go out andshare the gospel in parks or
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sometimes with our knock ondoors, and God gave us a pretty
simple way to share our faith.
And what that is is my friendand I got just gave us this idea
to do a survey.
So what we do is we approachpeople and we go.
We're just doing a littlesurvey, five questions, just
take you a couple of minutes.
You want to be in it.
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Most people are very willing toparticipate in the survey.
We say it's about spiritualthings.
Is that okay?
Almost everybody says okay.
So the first question we askpeople is and, by the way, we
also have somebody recordingthat you know, so it really
looks official and actually wehave hundreds of responses from
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people that have participatedthe first question is what do
you believe happens to personafter they die?
And we got a wide variety ofanswers.
A lot of people nowadays arehoping it's reincarnation, I
guess, or a lot of people thatwe asked in Ireland said I just
want to go back to being dirt,because I guess life is so
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miserable Fighting for them atthis point that they just want
it to be over.
The next question is what doyou base your belief upon?
And we've got a variety ofanswers there.
The third question is have youheard of heaven?
Yes or no?
Fourth question if heaven is areal place, would you want to
spend eternity there?
Some people say no.
They just don't like the idea.
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The last question is what doyou believe would fall into my
person spending eternity inheaven?
Back before COVID hit campusProustade for Christ Jesus films
was trying to do somethingcalled Saturate USA.
So if you wanted to participatethey would figure out how many
houses there are in your town.
So right before COVID they sentme 12,000, literally Jesus
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films.
They have a whole bunch ofdifferent languages in them and
12,000 of the little books forspiritual laws.
So I have those here.
Then COVID hit so we couldn'tgo door to door and give them
out.
So that's another way forpeople to share their faith.
Just go, here's a little bookfor you if you'd like to know
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more about how to know Godpersonally.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, and it's very helpful to have some tools with
you and creative ways to start aconversation, the icebreakers.
In the end, like you said, it'syour adventure with the Holy
Spirit.
It's never us.
We are never qualified or readyor capable to do this on our
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own, and Jesus didn't even allowhis disciples to do it on their
own.
He said wait until you receivethe power, until the Holy Spirit
comes upon you.
And so, and then when I think,when you fully recognize that
and you trust God, you trust theHoly Spirit to do this through
you, then it's an adventure andyour life is a great example of
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a great adventure with Jesus.
In fact, here you are, at 77years old, and you just recently
got married.
The adventure begins and yourpassion for life and passion for
Jesus is truly contagious Gail.
So I hope and look forward tomany more adventures with you on
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the mission field and the endsof the world, or in Judea or
Samaria, wherever God calls usnext.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, helen.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm very blessed and thankful that God has allowed me
to be healthy enough tocontinue to do this and also,
you know, finance me and give methe heart to do it.
It's like totally a gift fromGod.
You know, it's nothing I couldhave created myself, so, yeah,
Amen.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Thank you for joining us on today's episode of the
Limitless Spirit podcast.
Remember, boldness is not justa fleeting emotion.
It's a choice we make daily totrust in the power of the Holy
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Welcome to the Limitless Spirit podcast.
This podcast is for those whoare seeking to live a life for a
greater purpose and discoverGod's will for their lives.
So if that's you, I'm so gladyou tuned in to this particular
episode.
I'm your host, helen Todd, andtoday we will explore what does
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it take to be bold in living andsharing your faith?
When was the last time youapproached an acquaintance, a
co-worker or a complete strangerto talk about your faith?
In today's culture, at least inthe United States, it sometimes
can be perceived as offensiveand in some cases, even illegal.
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It takes supernatural boldnessand confidence Aside from
working up the courage to evenstart a conversation.
Many times we are overcome withthe feeling of inadequacy.
Do I know the scriptures wellenough?
Am I trained in apologetics?
Is my lifestyle holy enough torepresent Christ?
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Today I talk with a 77-year-old, gail Harris, who has impressed
me with her boldness in sharingthe gospel message with
complete strangers here in theUnited States and in other
nations, where she frequentlygoes on mission trips.
She came to Jesus in the midstof Jesus' revolution as a
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psychedelics and acid user whowas on her way to see a guru,
yet encountered someone whoshared Christ with her.
So in her story, gail shareshow she has developed that
boldness to be a witness forChrist.
If you are ready to break freefrom fear and step into a life
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of bold faith, stick around,because this episode is for you.
Let's dive in.
Thank you for joining us.
Hello Gail, welcome to theLimitless Spirit podcast.
How are you today?
I'm fine, helen, thank you.
How are you?
I'm excited to talk to youabout your story.
This will be the first time I'mhearing it, but my husband,
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chuck, who heard you share it inIreland, said it's something
like a script from the movieJesus' Revolution, which.
You are that generation, you're77, and you are from California
originally.
I am from California.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
From California.
I'm from 1970, yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Yeah, he said it was just like in the movie even
better that's what he said evenbetter.
So we're going to talk aboutyour story.
I also want us to talk aboutyour gift.
I think it's a spiritual giftand it's the gift of evangelism
and the boldness that you havewhen you share the Gospel.
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I watched you share the Gospelwith strangers in the street in
Albania, which is a Muslimcountry, and I've watched you in
Mexico, and it's contagious andit's inspiring, and I know that
there is a number of Christianswho are intimidated when it
comes to sharing their faith,and so I think you have a few
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points to share and encourageothers.
So let's talk about how youcame to know Jesus.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, my family was Jewish, so the last person we
wanted to be God was Jesus.
I was a teenager.
We were not very religious,although my grandparents did
celebrate Passover, so I knewsome Old Testament stories.
That was about that.
I had a neighbor who wasCatholic, so I think I might
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have gone to church with her acouple of times, but had no
interest really at all inreligion as a teenager pretty
much an agnostic, atheist.
And I had a very nice life, allthe things that are supposed to
make you happy nice house, nicehusband, perfect job, you know
all those things.
But when I got into my early20s I just felt so depressed.
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There must be more to life thanthis.
So you were married.
I was married, yeah, I had acouple kids, nice house,
everything that you're husbandwas perfect.
Yeah, it was good.
But I was miserable, unhappy.
So I just went there must bemore to life than this.
And I just went on a plow totry to figure out what that
thing was.
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And it didn't start out verygood because I thought it was
the first time.
I was married to.
So left that left all the nicethings.
I had started using marijuanapsychedelics because I was just
trying to discover what elsethere is in life and wait and
did you say you had kids alreadyby that time?
Speaker 2 (05:16):
Yeah, they left a lot of kids, so you left your kids,
everything left, everything,everything wow.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Yeah right, house and everything.
And at one point I just wastrying out if there is a God,
please do something.
Let me know that you're real.
I just can't take this anymore.
If you're God, let me knowyou're real.
And God started just doing kindof miraculous things in my life
to let me know that he was real.
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So give me an example.
Ok, this is one of the firstthings.
I still had my kids with me atsome time and at one point, when
I was in desperation like that,my children who I'd never sent
to and we were just finding itall started talking to me about
God.
I have no way to explain that.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Other than.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
God, how old were they About three years later
when I was a kid?
3 and 6.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
Yeah, that's incredible.
So they started asking youquestions about God.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I really can't tell you the details, but it was
definitely.
They were talking to me aboutGod.
Another example that makes Imean these things make no sense
to me, as my car wasn't workingin the morning when I was
getting ready to go to work andat one point I just
automatically called the housecompany come and jump the
battery and everything.
And they were like I'm notthere.
He said well, there's a newbattery in it, try it and start
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it.
Fine, this sounds really silly,but God really did stuff like
oh, no, this sounds just likeGod.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
This sounds just like God.
That's incredible.
And new battery in a broken car.
Well, remember in the movieJesus revolution when they pray
for the main character's car tostart because he's going on a
date to pick up a girl and,after laying hands on the car
several times, the car finallystarts.
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But yours is even cooler.
And new battery.
That's incredible.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yeah, and another time, like I was doing
psychedelics and I went up onthis mountain and the whole time
I was there I was at the footof the cross with Jesus.
So I really didn't knowanything about just things like
that happen.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Have you culturally heard about Jesus prior to that?
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Maybe just the same things people hear about
Christmas time.
You'd hear about the birth ofJesus as a kid.
At Easter time.
There were probably referencesto people dying on the cross.
But it was really nothing I wasinvestigating, except that I
really wanted to know who thereal God was, but I didn't think
it was going to be Jesus.
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I would be chanting with theKrishna people and meditating
with the yoga people and dancingwith the Sufis, going to a
spiritualist church.
I just didn't know who the realGod was.
You were just seeking.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
So who made Jesus real to you, who introduced you
to Jesus?
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Well, I'm going to tell you that part right now.
So I lived in an apartment atthis point with a couple of
other ladies and a guy.
And the guy that we lived withwe kind of thought of him as our
Guru, who is a very religiousguy, not necessarily about Jesus
.
So on January 1970, he and Idecided we would hitchhike to
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New Mexico to ask Baba Ramdas,who was the Bevil's Guru, and he
had an ashram in Albuquerque,New Mexico.
We were going to hitchhikethere and ask him who was the
real God, this other guy.
So we started hitchhiking.
We get to the desert in NewMexico Nobody's picking this up
and he had read something in theBible about Jesus walking out
into the desert and fasting andpraying for 40 days.
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So he said he thought we shoulddo that, since nobody was
picking this up.
So we walked out into thedesert and I'm out there for a
couple of hours.
So I go.
I don't think I want to do this.
So I went back.
He stayed in the desert, gotback to the freeway.
Somebody picked me up rightaway.
They weren't very nice people.
They stole my money and kept mewith them.
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But I did get to Albuquerque,New Mexico, and in those days if
you wanted to know aboutspiritual things, there were
occult bookstores.
So I found an occult bookstore.
I went in and asked how do Iget to the ashram to ask Baba
Ram Das, who is the real God?
And they said I can't go therebecause I don't have a
reservation or an appointment.
So I had no idea what to do.
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There were some people out inthe street in front of the
bookstore playing guitars and Istarted talking to them.
I lived in a commune with agroup called the Children of God
, which was kind of a cult, butthey said I could stay with them
.
So I went to their community.
But they did share with me thereal gospel.
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They told me Jesus was the realGod.
He got in the cross for my sins.
I could ask Him to forgive me,become the Lord of my life, ask
the Holy Spirit to come liveinside me, and I just got it
that I was asking God to show mewho he was, and that's where he
led me.
He didn't let me go to see BabaRam Dass.
Instead, he led me to peoplethat shared the gospel.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
That is pretty incredible.
So something within you,because you by now you had heard
all kinds of different versionsof God but something within you
told you this is the real thing.
This is true.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
And that night I prayed.
You know I went.
I believe you're God.
I believe you got in the crossfor my sins.
I know I've sinned.
Come into my life, be my Lordand my Savior.
Let the Holy Spirit come andlive in me.
And it just felt like a weightwas immediately lifted off of me
and I just recognized that'swhere God had loved me.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, that is pretty incredible, and I think it's so
biblical.
All kinds of people can be usedby God to proclaim the truth,
even if they're not living thattruth at the moment, as long as
they speak it out.
A spirit that is seeking isready to receive, and this is so
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simple.
You know, sometimes weovercomplicate sharing our faith
.
We think we have to be wellversed in scriptures, we have to
reach a certain point ofmaturity, spiritual maturity,
but in fact, as long as youproclaim the truth with your
mouth, it achieves results.
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So that is incredible.
So how long did it take fromthat point before you felt like
you found your place in the bodyof Christ?
Speaker 3 (11:52):
Well, you know, I immediately felt like I was a
follower of Jesus.
I didn't know anything aboutthe Bible.
I stayed with that commune fora couple of days, read a little
bit of the Bible, and then I washitchhiking back to California
and anybody who picked me up I'dgo hey, do you know Jesus?
I mean, I didn't know anythingexcept what just happened to me.
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So I just it was so fantastic.
I just have this inner sensethat I really found the real God
.
But I just shared the littlebit that I knew, which was
really basically nothing.
When I got back to California, Ijust started reading the Bible,
because that's where they toldme I learned more about God.
And then, as I read it, I justreally fell in love with Jesus.
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I started reading the NewTestament and I want this as the
kind of person that everybodyshould admire, love, honor, live
for.
And I started seeing the partsof my life that were out of
alignment, which was the Biblesaid how I should be living.
And I just continue to repentand make changes in my life.
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And it was five more years tillI actually got baptized and
went 100%, all in.
You know, I started going tochurches and at one point.
I still didn't know much aboutthe Bible, but pastor of the
church said oh, god told me thatyou're supposed to be the
junior church Bible studyteacher.
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So you know, oh okay, I didn'treally know anything.
So I went up.
This is really going to make mestudy the Bible more so that I
can actually be telling withkids what it actually says you
know, this is how the HolySpirit works.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
It is pretty incredible, but even in your
story it's very clear that Goduses people.
He uses people to reach otherpeople for Christ, you know,
whoever they are, as long asthey share the gospel.
That's how another personreceives the gospel.
Can God appear?
Can Jesus appear to people invisions and dreams and bring
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them to salvation?
Yes, and he has done that.
I've met people, especially inthe Middle East.
They received the knowledge ofChrist just through a vision.
But the theme, the gospelmessage and the theme of what we
are to do after Christ ascendedand before he returns, is to
take the to be the witnesses.
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The witnesses his discipleswere the witnesses of the life
of Christ, but we, who aregenerations and generations
after, we're the witnesses ofwhat God does in our lives.
And that's why I think yourstory is definitely part of the
reason why evangelism comes sonaturally to you is you know for
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fact?
It's not something that youwere taught, it's not something
that was imposed on you.
God literally rescued you fromsomething terrible, a terrible
lifestyle, and so I think it'seasy to be a witness.
When you know something forfact, it's easy to share it with
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others.
But, at what point so youstarted teaching the Bible?
When was your first missiontrip?
When did you feel the desire toactually take the Great
Commission seriously and Well,I'll tell you what actually
happened.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I can't remember exactly what year it was, but
Bill Bright Campus Crusade forChrist at one point was during
the I Found it campaign.
I don't know if you're aware ofthat.
So they were putting billboardsall over that just that.
I found up and they didn't saywhat it was.
And they were doing trainingson how to share your faith and
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they were using the principle oncampus crusade, the four
spiritual laws book.
I don't know if you're familiarwith that.
So the first I was going to wasdoing a little training on that
and it was about how to be ableto share your faith.
So I went to the training andit seemed really good, but I
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didn't know they were gonnaactually do this.
After we went through thetraining, they went.
Now you are gonna go out, twoby two, and go in neighborhood
and knock on doors and share thegospel message that we just
taught you how to share, asthat's what I found it was.
I found relationship with Jesusand I gotta tell you, even
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though in the past I was talkingto people out in the street, my
knees were knocking.
I was so nervous when they toldme that I was gonna go out and
knock on doors and try to sharebiblical gospel principles.
So me and my teammate went outand actually people actually
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listened to us.
I was amazed and some peoplewere really grateful and happy
that somebody had come to theirdoor with a message that they
really needed to hear.
So when we met back again afterthe training some people said
people prayed to receive Jesusand we're connecting with the
church.
So that's when I really got thevision that there are people
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out there who are just waitingto have somebody share this
truth with them.
So that was kind of my start.
How long ago was that?
There was maybe like 1977,something like that.
I'm not absolutely sure, but itwas a few years into my walk
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with Jesus when I actually didhave a little, a few more
biblical principles andknowledge.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
So you've been doing this for almost 50 years now.
Oh, watch out.
Yeah, absolutely Half a century.
That is absolutely incredible.
So I am sure that you have somevery crazy stories.
So let's think of somethingthat just comes to mind that was
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very exciting or verychallenging, or maybe both.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
a little bit.
Well, I'll tell you about myfirst two mission trip
experiences.
I was older, I had a couple ofteenage kids and the church I
was going to I was working withthe youth group.
So we actually took the youthgroup a couple of times from
Mexico.
That was one of my first trips.
And also I was working withanother organization called SOS
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San Francisco that we were going.
Every summer they have like a 10day campaign where we would go
to the streets of San Francisco.
So you know how the culture isnow all over the world with
LGBTQ thing.
Well, san Francisco has beenlike that even back then.
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So every summer we'd go downthere for 10 days, go out on the
streets, bring worship teams,bring speakers.
We would do marches carryingsigns and I brought the youth
group down there.
They did dramas out on thestreets and we got a lot of
opposition from the rest of thecommunity there.
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So a couple of times we'd havewe'd be out in streets doing
outreach with Chuck Gerard orsomebody doing music and the
community that was against uswitnessing would come up and
spit in our face or threaten usand stuff.
And at one point we were infront of the Civic Center down
there carrying a campaign forJesus, and so many of the
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homosexual came out.
Community came out to harass us.
The police actually came outand surrounded us.
We got down on our knees andwere just praying and the police
surrounded us to protect us andwe just were able to continue
with our ministry.
So I did that every summer formany years with us with San
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Francisco.
They're still operating therein a very antagonistic, I think,
imagine environment there.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
You know, this makes me think of something.
I was just looking at thescripture in the Gospel of Luke
and then in Acts, chapter one,where Luke describes how Jesus
gave the Great Commission to hisdisciples and he tells them, he
encourages them to go and sharethe good news and he says in
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Jerusalem and Judea and Samariaand to the ends of the earth.
And so you know, jerusalem, yes, they got that.
Obviously they wanted to dothat.
Judea, yes, it's their country,you know they wanted to do that
.
But when it came to Samaria, youremember, in the culture of the
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time, talking to a Samaritanwas repulsive.
To a Jewish person it wasoffensive, repulsive.
And so the Samaritans were notforeigners to them, they kind of
came from the same route, butit was in our day.
So it's like going to someonefrom a different cultural
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background.
You know, like you were talkingabout the San Francisco, where
you know the environment, whereChristian normally wouldn't go
to, and sometimes I think thatsharing the Gospel in Samaria,
so to speak, is more difficultthan going to the ends of the
world, because there is so muchanger I think that is built up
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in society, especially today,and yet the progression that
Jesus gave us is very clearJerusalem, Judea, samaria.
You can't skip that part, and Ithink sometimes Christians are
more eager to go to the end ofthe world than they are to go to
the modern-day Samaria, so tospeak.
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So what you shared is reallycool.
You went to Samaria, you gotthe training, you were
persecuted and yet protected.
You were able to continue.
So was this the most difficultexperience that you had?
Was there a time when youliterally had to overcome this
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resistance of the flesh, becausesometimes our spirit is willing
but our flesh says no?
So have you had that kind ofexperience?
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Actually no, yeah, even though there has been
opposition or danger, god justwired me that way.
So my other trip that I thinkwas really outstanding and
dangerous, like when I was aboutI don't know 40 or something, I
heard about Bible smugglinginto China bonkeys for Jesus.
Back at that point you reallycould not bring Bibles into
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China.
So I went man, could I reallydo that?
And I connected with a groupthat was based in Hong Kong and
for a few weeks we smuggledBibles into China back and forth
across the border wearing skirtunder garment that had pockets
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we put like 50 Bibles in.
When you'd walk they'd kind ofslap against your leg and we had
to continually go throughcustoms and everything and that
was pretty scary.
At one point one of the customssaid Officer, do you have
Bibles with you?
And I have a Bible and I had mylittle Bible in my backpack or
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something.
And he let me go.
Another time one of our otherpersons was seen that I was
getting harassed.
She made a scene on purpose sothat they would just let me go
through.
So that was pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
How were you distributing these Bibles?
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Okay, so we'd get across the border.
Then the guy that was ourleader was pretty nervous
because he'd been doing it for awhile and he recognized, you
know he could really get introuble.
So he would tell us where themeeting point was on the other
side.
At one point I got mixed up andI walked up some stairs and
ended up in an army barrackswith some Chinese men.
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I just went oh excuse me, youwalk back down.
Then what we would do would bego into like a tourist hotel and
go into the bathroom, take themout of our skirt and put them
in a bag.
But the other part that I didn'tknow was going to happen is all
the bathrooms in China, in thetourist places, they have
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attendees in the bathrooms.
So there's some lady therewondering why are my end the
toilet stall for 20 minutes,what am I doing?
So I would have to pretend Iwas sick or something.
So one of the ladies with usshe actually did get stopped and
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taken in for questioning andthey kept her there like all day
and she actually had anopportunity to share the gospel
with them.
The border guards were toldthat this was pornographic
material we were trying to bringin.
So that's what they thought itwas, but she actually was able
to share the gospel.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, this sounds like a Hollywood movie script,
gail.
That's pretty exciting.
So you have had quite theexperiences and I think that you
have probably some advice toshare with people who maybe have
this desire deep down inside tofulfill the Great Commission,
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but maybe feel a littleintimidated or unsure about how
to be bold in sharing theirfaith, and not only in other
countries and other cultures,but even in their own
neighborhood or in Samaria,uncomfortable culturally area.
So what advice would you givepeople?
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Yeah, absolutely.
I know most people are verytimid about sharing.
I think what most people thinkis that they're going to have to
know a lot of apologetics andbe able to answer every question
that somebody might ask or anydebate.
So I've been sharing.
I just take out one or twopeople with me in my own
hometown here and we go out andshare the gospel in parks or
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sometimes with our knock ondoors, and God gave us a pretty
simple way to share our faith.
And what that is is my friendand I got just gave us this idea
to do a survey.
So what we do is we approachpeople and we go.
We're just doing a littlesurvey, five questions, just
take you a couple of minutes.
You want to be in it.
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Most people are very willing toparticipate in the survey.
We say it's about spiritualthings.
Is that okay?
Almost everybody says okay.
So the first question we askpeople is and, by the way, we
also have somebody recordingthat you know, so it really
looks official and actually wehave hundreds of responses from
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people that have participatedthe first question is what do
you believe happens to personafter they die?
And we got a wide variety ofanswers.
A lot of people nowadays arehoping it's reincarnation, I
guess, or a lot of people thatwe asked in Ireland said I just
want to go back to being dirt,because I guess life is so
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miserable Fighting for them atthis point that they just want
it to be over.
The next question is what doyou base your belief upon?
And we've got a variety ofanswers there.
The third question is have youheard of heaven?
Yes or no?
Fourth question if heaven is areal place, would you want to
spend eternity there?
Some people say no.
They just don't like the idea.
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The last question is what doyou believe would fall into my
person spending eternity inheaven?
Back before COVID hit campusProustade for Christ Jesus films
was trying to do somethingcalled Saturate USA.
So if you wanted to participatethey would figure out how many
houses there are in your town.
So right before COVID they sentme 12,000, literally Jesus
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films.
They have a whole bunch ofdifferent languages in them and
12,000 of the little books forspiritual laws.
So I have those here.
Then COVID hit so we couldn'tgo door to door and give them
out.
So that's another way forpeople to share their faith.
Just go, here's a little bookfor you if you'd like to know
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more about how to know Godpersonally.
Speaker 2 (28:43):
Yeah, and it's very helpful to have some tools with
you and creative ways to start aconversation, the icebreakers.
In the end, like you said, it'syour adventure with the Holy
Spirit.
It's never us.
We are never qualified or readyor capable to do this on our
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own, and Jesus didn't even allowhis disciples to do it on their
own.
He said wait until you receivethe power, until the Holy Spirit
comes upon you.
And so, and then when I think,when you fully recognize that
and you trust God, you trust theHoly Spirit to do this through
you, then it's an adventure andyour life is a great example of
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a great adventure with Jesus.
In fact, here you are, at 77years old, and you just recently
got married.
The adventure begins and yourpassion for life and passion for
Jesus is truly contagious Gail.
So I hope and look forward tomany more adventures with you on
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the mission field and the endsof the world, or in Judea or
Samaria, wherever God calls usnext.
Thank you so much.
Thank you, helen.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
I'm very blessed and thankful that God has allowed me
to be healthy enough tocontinue to do this and also,
you know, finance me and give methe heart to do it.
It's like totally a gift fromGod.
You know, it's nothing I couldhave created myself, so, yeah,
Amen.
Speaker 2 (30:24):
Thank you for joining us on today's episode of the
Limitless Spirit podcast.
Remember, boldness is not justa fleeting emotion.
It's a choice we make daily totrust in the power of the Holy
Spirit, and boldness iscontagious.
If Gail's story inspired you, Iencourage you to visit our
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website, rfwmaorg and look atthe opportunities to take your
faith to the ends of the world.
If Jesus has touched your lifeand he's real to you, if you
have a story, you are equippedto be a witness and we want to
help you fulfill this calling.
Again, visit our website,rfwmaorg and connect with us.
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We want to hear from you.
Until next time, I'm Helen Todd.
Limitless Spirit podcast isproduced by World Missions
Alliance.
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We believe that changed lives change lives.
If you want to see your lifetransformed by Christ's love, or
if you want to help those whoare hurting and hopeless and
discover your greater purpose inserving Christ through
short-term missionary work,check out our website, rfwmaorg
and find out how to get involved.
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