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July 14, 2025 31 mins

In this heartfelt episode of the LINC Talks Podcast, host Bobby Bogard sits down with longtime friends and ministry veterans Hal and Pam Santos. Together, they unpack nearly four decades of pastoral leadership, marriage in ministry, and the courage it takes to transition well.

From their humble beginnings in small-town Louisiana and Cleveland, to pastoring Grace Church in Illinois for 38 years, Hal and Pam share a transparent, wisdom-filled look at calling, identity, leadership growth, and the challenges (and joys!) of handing the baton to the next generation. Their insights on church DNA, pastoral transition, and post-pastoring purpose offer valuable encouragement for seasoned leaders navigating their own seasons of change.

Now serving as mentors and encouragers to pastors and ministry couples, the Santos' story is a powerful testimony that in God’s economy, nothing is wasted—and the best may still be ahead.

If you or your spouse are looking for a seasoned couple in ministry to walk alongside you please connect with Pastors Hal and Pam at:
 email: psantos@truevine.net
Ministry Details
www.Minister2Minister.com

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