March 5, 2025 • 53 mins
In this episode of Listen to Your Skin, wellness advocate Julie Gibson Clark break down the difference between your biological age (how your body’s aging) and your actual age, and how your daily choices impact both.
Julie’s own journey shows how small, affordable changes in diet, movement, and mindset can help you feel and look younger from the inside out.
If you’re ready to glow with health and take control of your aging process, tune in now and don’t forget to subscribe for more skin and wellness tips!
• ABOUT THE GUEST •
Julie Gibson Clark, a Phoenix-based former structural engineer turned recruiter and wellness advocate. As a single mom, she’s mastered effective, affordable biohacking spending less than $150 a month to optimize her health.
Her simple routine of mindset work, regular exercise, sauna sessions, nutrient-dense eating, and budget-friendly supplements delivers powerful results, with DNA testing showing she ages only 65 days for every 100 days lived.
Previously ranked #2 on the Rejuvenation Olympics leaderboard, Julie is passionate about sharing practical, science-backed strategies to help anyone achieve vibrant health, no luxury budget required.
Connect with her to learn how accessible wellness can be.
YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/@juliegibsonclark
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Listen to your Skin by Moon and Skin, the
podcast where science meetsnature to celebrate the story of
your skin.
Your skin is a living canvas,ever evolving, deeply personal
and uniquely yours.
Each week, we'll dive into thescience of healthy skin, share
empowering stories and uncovertransformative self-care rituals
.
We're here to help you embraceevery phase of your journey with
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confidence and care.
Hi everyone, embrace everyphase of your journey with
confidence and care.
Hi everyone, welcome to thisweek's episode of the Listen to
your Skin podcast by Moon andSkin, and I'm your host, dr Jen
Haley, and today I'm joined by agood friend of mine, julie
Gibson-Clark, a formerstructural engineer turned
wellness advocate.
Who proves that biohacking doesnot have to break the bank.
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Kid.
Who proves that biohacking doesnot have to break the bank.
As a single mom, she optimizesher health on less than $150 a
month, using simple yet powerfulhabits like mindset, work,
movement, sauna therapy andtargeted supplements.
Her results speak forthemselves DNA methylation
testing shows she ages just 65days for every 100 chronological
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days, and she held the numbertwo spot on the Rejuvenation
Olympics leaderboard for over ayear.
Julie's passion is makinghealth and longevity accessible
for everyone, and today she'ssharing her best strategies for
staying strong, vibrant andhealthy, no matter what your
budget.
Julie, welcome to the show, sonice to be here, Jen.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh my gosh, this is going to be fun, huh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Where do you want to start?
Yeah, I mean everywhere.
We talk so often about thesethings.
And first I'd really like youto discuss what biological age
is compared to chronological age, because I don't think that
people really understand thatthere's a difference between the
time we've been on the planetversus how our cells are aging.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Right, I mean the fastest way to understand.
That is like the twin studiesof one who smokes and one who
doesn't.
Right, I think we can easily.
We can see the aging, but whatwe can't see is what's happening
on the inside.
So we have our chronologicalage, you know minus 56, but then
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we have different ways tomeasure our biological age.
So we have what is it?
12 different hallmarks of aging.
So really, theoretically, Isuppose you could have over 12
different ways to measure that.
So there's just a multitude ofthings that we're measuring or
not me I am not in that but thatthey're measuring when we're
looking at biological age.
So different tests aremeasuring different things and
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every test can give you adifferent biological age in
theory.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, so basically what I hear you saying is that
our genetics do not determinehow quickly we age saying is
that our genetics do notdetermine how quickly we age.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Correct, yes, so let's talk about one of the age
marking, one of the age testsDNA methylation.
Right, so we're looking at wethe scientists because I am not
this is way above my pay grade,so I'm only going to explain it
the way I, as a little engineer,can understand it.
But you know, we've got our DNAmethylation or these, like
basically these guards thatalmost stand sentry over your
DNA and they're sort of sayingokay, you know, this genetic
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trait is going to stay turnedoff and this, you know, good
genetic trait is going to stayturned on.
So like, imagine a baby who'sgot the APOE4 gene.
Well, they're not going todevelop Alzheimer's as a baby
because their DNA methylation isworking to keep that DNA in a
very like functioning in a veryhealthy way.
So we can manipulate that DNAmethylation as we age.
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And so what happens as you getolder?
That DNA methylation based onhow you live your life, so how
you play the piano almost rightLike the, I suppose, like your
genetics is the piano you'vebeen given.
But how you decide to play thatpiano, how fast you play that
song, how hard you play thatsong or how softly like that's
going to determine how that DNAmethylation ages.
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I mean, that's just onebiomarker.
Of course there's, you know, abunch of different ways to
measure your biological age.
I mean there's physical ways,right.
There's your grip strength, youknow there's just so many
different ways that we age andthere's no one, like I said,
there's no one hallmark of aging, although they all are linked
together, right?
So if your DNA methylationstarts getting wonky, well then
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other things are going to getwonky and your organ ages.
You know different organs aregoing to age.
I mean, it's all.
It all ties together.
But yet we can, because we're,you know, humans.
We have to kind of look at itsystematically and in different
ways.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So okay.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So to translate that basically when I was in medical
school we were taught like oh,you'll know more than me.
Yeah, but you actually practiceit.
You actually practice it andyou've made a difference by over
20 years.
So you just mentioned you were56 years old and your tested
biological age has been what 36?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
36 years old right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So I want to get into that further, but I want to
just break it down for everyonelistening that we have this like
ageism.
I call it ageism because peoplewant to put people in certain
categories depending on ourchronological age, but what
really happens is our biologicalage is more of a determinant to
our health span and that we dohave control over it.
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As you mentioned, in the twinstudies, one twin will age.
An identical twin will age at avery different rate than
another identical twin.
So even though they've been onthe earth the same amount of
time, they're aging at a verydifferent pace, and I think this
is the coolest thing in theworld, because that's what gives
us agency over our life, likewe don't have to just give up
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and surrender to time.
We have control through littlechoices that we make, and it
doesn't have to be thebillionaires that have this.
It's tangible for everyone.
So I know you mentioned DNAmethylation.
Can you, before we talk aboutsome of the physical things, can
you talk about some of thehallmarks of aging and what is a
hallmark of aging and then howpeople can test for biological
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age?
Yeah, I'm going to try, do yourbest and then tell us how to
hack it.
That's what we really want toget to here.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I mean I can tell you how to hack the DNA
methylation which then hackslike all the other things.
Right, I mean?
So there's what.
The other big biological markeris, your telomeres, so your
telomere length.
I mean.
I know one of the great hacksfor telomere length is
meditation.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's the free.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean, of course there are.
I think there's somesupplementation and some other
things that you're probably morefamiliar with.
But I know that meditation,particularly TM, they've studied
and it's done very well.
With what's telomeres?
Yeah, so telomeres are the end.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're well with um.
What's telomeres?
Yeah, so telomeres are the, andyou're the doctor, I'm the
engineer.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, I'll tell you how I this is the way I just
know I hear the whole shoelacestory.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So they're like the ends of the caps on the end of
the shoelaces and you know, asthose get thinner, everything
kind of starts unraveling, rightyeah, so every time, our cells,
so our dna, is this cool doublehelix and I mean, I didn't
really learn this in medicalschool, this is just afterwards,
right.
But our, our cell, our dna, isa double helix and every time it
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replicates.
So while we're sitting herealive, all of our cells are
replicating, some at fasterrates than others.
That double helix, the twostrands of like your shoelace
have to unwind, and in order tounwind, the little end caps of
like what's that called on theend of the shoelace have to
unwind.
And in order to unwind, thelittle end caps of like what's
that called on the end of theshoelace?
That little cap, just an endcap, yeah, it has to come off
and for it to unwind, and everytime it does, that end cap gets
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shorter and shorter and shorter.
So what happens is, the longerwe're alive, um, those end caps
have a higher chance of likecompletely decomposing.
And then you have frayedshoelaces and the cell dies.
And the more cells that die,the more we decompose, right?
So we want to keep thosetelomeres long.
So you're basically saying onething that you can do to do that
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is meditation.
That's free, that's available.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Totally free and it's , you know, just keeping your
life low stress, which I meanthat's easier said than done,
right?
I mean, I've been through somepretty stressful periods, but
you know, you got to come upwith ways to mitigate the stress
of life.
I mean, just opening upInstagram can be stressful for
people, really, I mean.
So you have to empower yourselfand decide this is something
that's stressing me out.
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I'm not going to do thatanymore.
You know, come up withdifferent ways and for me, I
started meditating.
That was like in the middle ofmy day and it's amazing, like
how you're just like, oh, wow, Ididn't even realize I was
stressed out.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So how does someone start meditating?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I want to back up first before, because you were
asking me about, you know,biological tests and we're kind
of like on the edge of this.
So cellular senescence andmeasuring your senescent cells
is another biological age test,right?
So how those zombie cells arebuilding up, and you sort of
alluded to it, right, it's likethe cells replicate and then you
have these ones that aren'treplicating anymore and they're
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just like hanging out doingnothing.
I mean, they're little zombieslike hanging on for dear life,
you know, or whatever.
I mean.
Again, this is my own littleway of thinking of this, you
know, my non-scientific way.
So they're sitting around andyou have to, you know, come up
with ways to clear that out.
I mean, as you know, whenyou're younger that process is
happening all the time.
But you need to kind of do asynolytic detox, I suppose,
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every so often, which is fasting.
That's one of the greatest waysto do that.
I think it's by day three of awhat do you call those?
Because you don't have to fastwith no food anymore.
I think Valter Longo has provedthat you can do the fasting
mimicking diet, and by day three, I think, you're detoxing your
senescent cells.
So that's amazing.
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And then there's alsosenolytics out there.
Novos has got some great saysupplements or compounds in
there that help detox thosezombie cells as well, so that's
another way.
There's just I mean, there'sjust a multitude of ways to
measure your biological age so,and different companies have
different proprietary logarithmsthat are looking at different
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aspects of aging and then kindof coming within a logarithm to
say, okay, this is yourbiological age.
So it's really different fromdifferent companies.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Right, so you've touched on methylation as being
the one that the RejuvenationOlympics uses.
That has been the one that youhave used.
Can you talk about why youthink that or why it seems to be
more standard that people aredoing that DNA methylation as
opposed to other age testing forbiological?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
age testing.
Again, this is from what Iunderstand, but that Dunedin
pace of aging is just one of themost reliable.
So like, on a daily basis, if Iwere to take a blood test, you
know, on Tuesday, wednesday,thursday, friday, I more than
likely would get the exact sameresult, whereas some of the
other ones that are usingdifferent blood biomarkers, that
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could kind of be a little bitdifferent on every morning or at
night, or, you know, you mightget a different age, and so I
think what I understand in thatspace is that this is one of the
most reliable ways to look atit.
I the way I've made peace with,like, knowing that there's, you
know, a whole multitude oftests out there.
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What I care about is I'm goingto take this one test and then
I'm going to, um, I'm going tomeditate, you know, I'm going to
make sure I meditate every dayfor a year or whatever, and then
I'm going to take that testagain.
Did it make a difference?
That's what I care about.
Is the difference?
So like, for instance, I did myfirst pace of aging test before
trying Novus.
I did a zero, you know, andthen at six months and it was
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like whoa that made an 8%difference in my pace of aging.
And then I added, you know, apound of vegetables a day and
the exercise and the weights andthe saunas and the cold showers
, and you know I was meditatingall along, but you know, and
that made another three percentdifference.
So it's likewise like I couldgo on vacation and not sleep
very well and come back, take itagain and it might slow down my
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pace or increase my pace ofaging.
You know so, when you take ityou do have to be a little
careful okay, so that's great.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Um, you keep mentioning meditation and I
recall about 20 years ago I wasjust stressed out workaholic and
people would tell me I neededto meditate all the time and I'd
be like I don't have time forthat.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You know one more thing I gotta do.
I get a massage.
I work out.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So what is the simplest way for someone to
start meditating?
Okay, so I I love.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
This is something that was taught to my son when
he was going through a reallytough time and I thought this
was brilliant.
It was just on the way out thedoor.
Focus on the feeling of yourfeet in your shoes when you're
walking like a tick.
Not?
Han has a really wonderful bookfor people that do not have
time to meditate but want tomeditate.
It's called peace is every stepwhen you're watching, when
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you're washing the dishes, washthe dishes.
When you're making your bed,make your bed.
And I try to like touch on thisin my YouTube videos Like you
got to chop a lot of carrots.
Like then chop the carrots.
Like you know, be with them.
Like, oh, this color isbeautiful.
This, when I make the bed, likeI literally have focused on
like wow, I love how this fabricfeels on my hands, and like I
want to.
You know, just like you, justtake that time.
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You've got to do it anyway.
Why do you need to be thinkingof like 500 things?
You need to be on that step,and so you just try to live your
life the way you would imagine.
I suppose you'd live as a monkin a monastery, I mean, I don't
know what they live like.
But that's what I would imagine, like when I'm making the tea,
I'm going to make the tea, and Ithink that that's the easiest
way for people that are really,really busy.
Because think about it like,let's say, you are like a
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surgeon, right?
I mean, when you're in thatsurgery, be in that surgery.
Don't be thinking about likethe 5,000 things that you've got
going, which you invariably do.
You know, like most people have5,000 things going, but when
you're with your kids, be withyour kids.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know when I'm with you having this
conversation.
Don't think about the nextquestion.
Think about what you're sayingbecause that will naturally
direct where it organicallywants to go, as opposed to where
I think it should go Exactly.
Yeah, that's.
I mean, that's something that'sso tangible for everyone, and
the fact that it actually makesa difference in biological age.
Because, you know, we live inthis world whether it's skincare
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or whether it's the longevitybiohacker space where people
want the crazy stuff.
They want to pull out like thenewest skincare trend and do put
slugs on their face or whatever, and they want to get their
blood drawn or their child'sblood drawn and inject it into
themselves.
And what you're saying is thatwe don't need to do that to make
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a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, at all like one of my favorite doctors, dr
darshan shah.
He always talks about thispareto principle and I just, I
think it's the most brilliantthing.
What is that?
20 that you need to do that cangoing to get you 80 percent of
the way.
And the 20 percent is like diet, exercise, meditation, like
those are all free, that is allfree and that's going to give
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you 80 percent.
I'm not, you know, I wouldnever argue that like maybe
plasma exchange and um, allthese other things wouldn't help
.
But that's like the last 20%.
And same thing.
Like there's a Apex Medicaltalks about you know, like you
got to come up with a foundationright and that foundation is
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your diet and exercise and getthat right because that will
actually help your hormones.
And then, once you get you know,then you kind of like, oh, what
hasn't worked with yourhormones?
You got to optimize yourhormones and then it's like you
got to optimize your weight andthen that last little bit, which
really in that kind of model islike the last 10, is all the
other very expensive therapies.
The rest of it is like we canall do this, it's free, it's
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totally free, and I just yeah, Ijust wonder, like we talk about
the pace of aging, but I wonder, if, like we all, did that,
then what are all our paces ofage like?
Where would one be?
Does that like a, for instance?
So this, the pace of aging, isbased on a study of a thousand
people okay, take a step back.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So, pace of aging versus biological age yeah, you
define those two.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah okay, so let's so biological age, like say
you've lived your life likereally really well, right, like
you've been really reallyhealthy.
You are going to have probablya low biological age.
But now we're going to look atlike, now you start getting
really stressed out and likelife goes to hell in a
handbasket and you're eatingpizza every night and you're not
exercising and you're whatever.
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You're still going to have likea slower biological age because
you had all those years ofdoing well, right, but your pace
of aging might increase becausenow you're you're doing like,
say you start picking up smoking.
Well, now your pace of aging isgoing to change for sure.
Or same thing, like as you getolder, your pace of aging kind
of.
You know, like when you kind ofgo start going downhill, you
kind of start so the biologicalage is more cumulative over your
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lifespan, whereas the pace ofaging is a more not volatile,
but it changes more quicklydepending on what's currently
going on yes, but what you'redoing, more so than you know,
more than your genetics, I meanlike okay, let's, let's even use
brian johnson, right, he talkedabout his old, his previous um,
how do you say practices, orhow he was living his life,
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right, like running Venmo andlike pizza, and you know it was
a very unhealthy lifestyle andhe had a very high pace of aging
.
Then he started doing all thethings that he's doing and he's
slowly, slowly, slowly slowingdown that pace of aging.
So I mean, he's doing all thestuff.
You know nothing wrong there.
But for the people listening tothis podcast that don't have
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two million dollars, I'm tellingyou, you know, diet, exercise,
those are all free and they,they move the needle 80 of the
way okay.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So I mean I beat myself up a little bit, just
from a from a skin perspectiveand now almost from a health
optimizations perspective, andwe've talked about this because
I grew up in an urban desert inNew York, very poor, I didn't
really have any vegetables untilI was like 25, I think in
college, my diet was alcohol andfiber, one cereal and apples.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I was canned spinach and milk.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That was my college, yeah, and I never wore sunscreen
until I was 30 and I think, ohmy gosh, is it too late.
So I probably started to have abetter diet once I turned 35
ish.
But just say, someone'slistening to this and they're 40
, 45 and they're thinking, oh,it's too late for me is it ever,
ever too late?
No, never, never, because youcan really turn things around,
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like really profoundly turnthings around Like what are five
things somebody can do startingin the next, because we don't
want you all to start thingslike all at once.
That's too much.
I was just going to say, yeah,that's too much.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
That's the number one thing is to like not do all the
things you know, almost like.
I think it's helpful to come upwith like one plan, I suppose,
like okay, like like I have afew metrics that I try to make
work.
Every day I do a pound ofvegetables and make sure half of
those are greens.
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I'm doing that, yeah Well, I'mdoing that so and easily, like,
and I'm going to get you intothat, but anyway, doing that,
yeah Well, I'm doing that so andeasily, like, and I'm going to
get you into that, but anyway.
And my new thing is I'm goingto start adding, like, trying to
eat a beet every day, whichwe'll see.
I'm working on some recipes,but anyway, um, cause they're
really good for your DNAmethylation.
I eat a lot of beets, yes, sothat's good, that's very, very
good for you, um, but so youknow there's diet, and so that's
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a few metrics, like you know,making sure you get adequate
protein amounts, and that youwhat's that?
Well, from the number thatseems to be floating out there
again, not a doctor, not aresearcher, but what I've heard,
it seems like, is one gram ofprotein for every pound of body
weight.
Some people say it's per poundof lean mass, so there's some,
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you know, some discrepancy there.
But so for me, that's likebetween 100 and 130 grams of
protein.
And so what I do is I justthought, well, I'll just count
the protein foods and I don'tcount all the protein that's in
veggies and all the other stuff,because I like, well, they'll
just go along for the ride.
You know, I'll end up with like130, probably.
I don't know yeah you know.
So I just make sure I get that.
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And then I make sure I have thepound of vegetables a day and,
like I said, half of those aregreens.
So you know, like, I'm notcounting potatoes as a vegetable
, any you know starchy veggiesI'm not counting as a veggie,
but like the greens, I don'tmind, like like beets, even
though they're a root vegetable,turn those kind of things I
just don't count like starchystuff and I don't notice.
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I don't say plants either.
I say vegetables Cause, likeyou know, rice and grains are
plants too, but that doesn't,that's just different.
So so those are the two likediet metrics that I make sure
happen.
And of course, I'm, you know,optimizing how much I'm drinking
water.
You know I'm also trying tomake sure it's organic and all
of those good things.
And then I just try to makesure I've got a VO2 max in there
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, because again, that's anotherway to measure aging is your VO2
max.
It's a predictor of your age.
So I'm doing that once a week.
I'm doing a HIIT exercise oncea week.
I'm doing strength training,which is always changing all the
time, and saunas are reallygood, but, like, if people have
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access to it, if they don't.
They don't.
That's like again, that's kindof just getting.
That diet and exercise piece isgoing to get you a long way and
it just takes a while, thoughyou can't do all the things at
once.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor gosh over 25 years, you know
.
So it's taken like one little.
I always like I love this likeanalogy, because I'm very into
cathedrals.
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Anybody who's been to Europewith me will know that's all I
do is like sit in cathedrals andI just like I love them.
But I love thinking of my lifelike a cathedral that I'm
building, you know, like it'sone brick, I just have to do
this one brick.
And so, like the, the pound ofvegetables, I was like Sarah got
Dr Sarah Godfrey talks aboutthat and I was like, okay, yeah,
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I think I could do that.
Like I could do that, let mesee if I could do that, you know
.
And I didn't start.
I didn't just eat a pound ofvegetables a day, cause like
that is like gas, it is reallymean to your body.
So I was like, oh, I'll juststart with like a carrot and
some greens, you know.
And then it was like okay, thenlike next week I might add a
little bit more, but you know, Ijust slowly built it over time
to so that it became so habitual.
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I use the term like, I use thisanalogy a lot, but like brushing
your teeth like nobody, likeyou have to brush your teeth
twice a day and yes, okay, it'sonly two minutes each time, but
you don't.
It doesn't occupy any mentalspace, like whatsoever.
You just know you're going togut me, I hope If you're not, if
you're not brushing your teeth,brush your teeth because oral
health is really important, butanyway, so you know you brush
your teeth twice a day, samething like you're.
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When you first start a habit,it takes a lot of mental space.
Like, oh, I got to get to thestore, I got to make sure I have
the veggies, I got to have themon hand, I got to prep them, I
got to da, da, da, da, you knowall of those things.
But then it just becomes likesecond nature and you're just
doing it and it doesn't occupyany mental space.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So, but only if you build it slowly.
Yeah, we were talking aboutthis earlier, about even
toothbrushing, because littlekids, it does occupy mental
space because they have to learn.
So whatever stage we're in, wewill have to use some mental
space until it becomes habitual.
And now it just becomeshabitual like beet kvass.
You got me into beet kvass.
I am not great in the kitchenand now I love making beet kvass
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and it takes 15-20 minutes onceevery couple weeks and it gives
me so much nutrients andfermented.
I'm really into fermented foods.
What do you think aboutfermented foods?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I think they're really important, I mean again.
I'm not a scientist but fromwhat I hear and from what I
experiment with and feel, I meanthis is really kind of, when I
started eating more fermentedfoods again went slowly, I
didn't.
You know, I started with like atablespoon at each meal of
fermented foods, but it justhelped Like I could almost feel
my food getting digested and itjust I feel like my tummy stays.
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I mean, for all the girls outthere, it's like my tummy stays
a little flatter, you know, justall of those things like feel
like they're working better.
But what, the way I understandit is like we're not just what
we eat, we're what ourmicrobiome eats, because that
microbiome is actually makingvitamins for us.
And I just think that is themost freaking cool thing in the
whole wide world that we've inour house.
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We call them happy bugs.
You know, I used to raise myson saying, like you know well,
what, what kind of happy bugs isthat going to?
You know, is that going to begood for your happy bugs?
Is that going to be bad foryour happy bugs?
And, like you know so it wasalways like kind of a fun
conversation to have with kidsBecause you're like, do you have
bugs inside of you?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You know a lot of bugs and so that's really kind
of fun, you know, but yeah youknow it's so interesting because
the more we're learning withskin and the microbiome, the
more we're realizing how manyconditions are associated with
the gut microbiome.
Is eczema one of them?
It's not one of them.
Psoriasis and rosacea areparticularly linked, but eczema,
you know, there's somecontroversy.
There's more correlation thancausation, but we're really
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finding that there's a lot ofrelationship.
And when we're an embryo, ourskin and our gut come from the
same cell type, so it makescomplete sense, and our brain as
well.
So they're all interrelated andwestern medicine wants to
divide the body, but we'rereally all interconnected.
So if your biological age isyounger, your skin is going to
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naturally look younger, like noone would ever think you looked
56, that's well, I get a fewcomments online.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
She definitely looks 56 and I mean, listen, let me
just like back up, because I wasa swimmer and I'm a beach baby
and I never, I to this day, Ididn't wear sunscreen on the way
down here.
I mean, I don't wear sunscreen,I don't, I don't do it.
I know you guys say to wear itand like I'm going to Hawaii
next week I will wear thesunscreen, you know, but for the
most part, no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I think that you could probably get me to eat
more vegetables and I can getyou to take better care of your
skin.
So do we know?
Our biological age is our bodyas a whole, but what about
different organs?
To that point, do differentorgans age differently, Like
does your brain age differentlythan your kidneys and your skin?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, this is what they're talking about now, and
there's a way to measure that,which I think is fabulous.
Again, science.
I do not understand but thefact that these omics age and
symphony age, and looking atwhat are the names of them One
is omics and one is symphony age, and this is all.
Yeah, well, at any rate, I just.
(26:28):
I think it's so fascinating andthe way I heard it explained
was like, of course our organsage at different rates and of
course we are all agingdifferent rates.
Otherwise we would all developthe same disease in the same
organ at the same time of life,and that's not true.
I mean, just looking at myparents, you know it's like, my
mom has Parkinson's, my dad hasa little bit of dementia, you
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know it's like, but they'remaybe within five years of each
other, you know, so could agedifferently.
Your skin could age.
It's an organ, right, it canage very differently than, say,
your heart, your muscular system.
I suppose, like if you werelike an elite athlete that might
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, you know, stay strong for avery long time, but maybe you
had a lot of inflammation.
You know, different things aregoing to age differently, which
I just think is fascinatingthat's super fascinating, but
here's what's empowering aboutit this is the most important
thing is if you can afford thattest and like, look at that,
it's like now you have a way, awindow into oh my gosh, you know
, my lungs are aging really fast.
(27:38):
Oh, what do I need to do toreally support my lungs?
And looking at that, becausethey're all tied together, just
like you said, you know it'slike, although we're looking at
different systems or different,you know individual organs, of
course they all work togetherand if one starts suffering,
like others are going to startsuffering.
I mean, if you start like notbeing able to breathe, I think
we would agree a lot of stuff isgoing to go, you know wrong.
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So it just it's empowering,though, because you can get a
window into what's happeninglong before you're having
problems, and I think that'swhat's really, really cool.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, and the current test that people are utilizing
is the true diagnostic test andthese things change all the time
.
They change all the time, butthat's measuring your actual
organ age and it's almost likethe weakest link in a chain If
your kidneys are the weakest,it's going to bring other things
down.
If your brain is the weakest,it's going to bring other things
down.
So if you get a clue that onething, one organ system is aging
more rapidly than the others,you can get a jump on it before
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you have any symptoms.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, exactly Interesting.
I haven't, you know, fulldisclosure, I've not taken it
yet, I've just been like lookingat it and interested in it.
It's, you know it's out of mybudget.
I mean, I'm just like everybodyelse, that's out of my budget.
It's not something that I canafford right now, but it is
something that, like in the verynear future, I want to be doing
.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, and I always think about why do we do a test?
The only reason I want to do atest is it going to change a
behavior of mine right.
So it looks like I mean withdiet, you're basically saying
eat nutritionally dense wholefoods.
Can I do microgreens?
Do I have to weigh microgreens,or do microgreens count as more
vegetables?
You know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I honestly don't know .
I honestly don't because I knowthat I've heard about that like
that, like broccoli sprouts,for instance, that the amount of
sulforaphane in a broccolisprout can be as much as like in
the whole head or something.
Again, I'm not a scientist, Idon't know, but you know that's
really cool if that's true.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I veggies, I just love like, I like again back to
meditation, like I love going ifI can go to the farmer's market
, you know I love to go there,if I can get to the grocery
store.
Just all the colors, like it'sjust, I mean I just it's like a
radish, I mean it's so beautifulthat red, like a red beet.
You cut it open and all thatLike that is absolutely like,
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like it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
No, it is.
And also I mean to your pointabout having a pound of
vegetables.
The fiber also helps movethings through your body for
phase three detoxification,which a lot of women have a hard
time going to the bathroom andthey get constipated and they
have problems with estrogen andhaving the bad estrogen recycle
through the body.
So there's a lot of reasons.
(30:09):
It's not just about thevegetables, it's about the whole
food and what it does for ourbody.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I mean that's what's really interesting, right
, like we all take like you know, I take supplements too, but
like you know to take like, um,let's say, oh, I'm going to take
vitamin C, versus like gettingvitamin C in a veggie that has
all these other things that aregoing to work synergistically,
that's like really cool to me.
Like you, I think there's somuch we don't know about eating
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veggies or plants.
I mean, think about it.
I just try to think like okay,let's say, like all bets are off
, like now, all of a sudden,we're wandering around in the
wilderness right now, like youknow, just trying to.
And I have actually, I havesurvival training in the
wilderness and I have collegecredit for this, by the way,
thank you, mom and dad.
And we had to like forage offthe land the last day and like
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that's what you're doing.
You know you're just eatingplants.
You're just like, oh, yeah,okay, I know this is I mean, we
had to be taught which ones weresafe that whole trip Like we
were just eating plants.
And I just think like no, duh,like we were evolved, we had to
have evolved to like with plantssomehow, like again that
microbiome, because it's kind oflike who's running the show.
Like I know, when I was really abig sugar eater, I always felt
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like I had an addiction to sugarand once I did a lot of the
fasting you know, I did thefasting, mimicking diets and
stuff it really shifted mymicrobiome and I don't I don't
like forage for sugar anymoreand I just wonder if, like, our
body eats something and knowslike, oh my god, this is really
good, because I really do, likeI need my greens, like I love my
(31:44):
greens and I need them and Icrave them, and when I'm
traveling it's really can becomea problem.
You know, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I do think our microbiome gives us cravings for
different things.
I do want to say that if I evergo on naked and afraid I'm
going to be on there with you,I'm not doing it, no way.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I do think our microbiome craves that.
So I find that like if I'm inthat sugar addiction because it
lights up areas of the brain onfunctional MRI, same as like
heroin.
So it's very addictive and alot of people listening might be
like I can't give up my sugar.
So can you talk about how youwould recommend going through a
sugar detox until you get reset?
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Because it's really true thatonce you reset your palate,
things like celery can actuallytaste sweet and salty.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Hazelnuts, you just have to get through it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
So how does someone go through incorporating good
while slowly removing the badand, you know, without going
through that horrible feeling offlu and misery and crankiness.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It is awful, isn't it ?
I don't, you know, I meantalking to somebody who took it
took over a decade for me to getoff sugar.
I mean, really, you're talkingto somebody who took it took
over a decade for me to get offsugar.
I mean really, and I think itwas like the final nail in the I
would do like the fasting,mimicking diets, like that was
very helpful to me.
But it was really when I said,hey, I'm going to eat a pound of
vegetables a day, and like it'sso filling when you, when you
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focus on what you're going to doand what you're, you know, you
just kind of leave behind Like Idon't focus on like how many
carbs.
I don't count carbs, I don't doany of that because I'm so full
off the protein and thevegetables that I just don't
really.
It's like if I crave anythinglike, say, I'm craving a little
sweet, I'll have literally likeone chocolate chip in it, and
which sounds so stupid to peoplethat are on sugar right now,
(33:30):
because I know how dumb thatwould have sounded to me, but I
would say one of the greatestthings I found very helpful was
berries, like when I would havea craving for sugar, I would
like say it was ice cream.
I would freeze up a bunch ofberries or I would get the
frozen berries at Costco andthat, for some reason, was you
know.
So you have to kind of likelook at what your cravings are
and try to find somethinghealthier, but and just know
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there is going to be some timewhere you're going to have to
kind of find your inner general.
You know, I call it your innergeneral.
You know you are worthless.
Worthless and weak, you know,or whatever.
Like somebody's gonna reallyboss you around and so you're
not going to do that.
But it's a lot easier to dothat when you're super full, off
of edgy.
I mean, like I come down fordinner and I'm almost force
feeding myself every night CauseI'm like, okay, I know, I need,
(34:14):
you know, four more ounces ofgreens and 20 more grams of
protein, okay, and usually I'mjust going to have a liquid
cause I'm just so full by then.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, you know similar with me.
When I was in college it wasthe low fat, high carb rage and
I I was always hungry.
I was always having a hard timemanaging my weight.
And now I'm protein centered.
I look at eating real foods andeverything sort of falls into
place if you just focus on thosetwo things eating real foods
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and protein centered and healthyfats and I don't hesitate to
dribble like olive oil andavocado all over my stuff and my
weight tends to be okay, asopposed to if I was having more
processed foods.
I tend to get really hungry andI know it's sugar spikes,
insulin and then sugar downs andup and down, and up and down.
(35:04):
So I think diet really plays ahuge role because we're looking
at it as messengers, like whatare the messages?
We're looking at it asmessengers, like what are the
messages we're sending toourselves?
Are we sending good messages toturn the genes on or turn the
genes off?
And once you start looking atfood as a message, it's a lot
different than if you're justfilling your tongue with
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satisfying.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, food is information and food is medicine
.
I mean those two things arejust like duh.
Like I mean it's not no duh,but when you start eating, like
that, you're like, oh my gosh.
And then, same thing, like isthe microbiome the messenger?
Like is the microbiome likemaking you forage for, for those
things?
So I just I want people to walkaway from this, not thinking,
(35:54):
oh well, great, you know,they're so perfect.
I want them to like I struggledwith all of this for for
decades I mean decades, andespecially the sugar at night,
like I would be so good all day.
And then it would be like, oh, Ijust need a little bit of ice
cream, you know.
And then it was like, oh well,you know, and uh, you know it's,
it took me a long time, but youcan do it.
It just you got to do it stepby step by step, you know, and
just focusing on, like, addingmore things.
You know, and just, and look atthis, what really really helped
was like looking at this, like,oh, I have the rest of my life
(36:15):
to do this.
I'm not trying to come offsugar in eight weeks.
I'm just going to, like, thisweek, focus on this, you know
I'm going to add some berries atnight and I'm going to make
sure I get extra veggies duringthe day.
Okay, all right, maybe I stillhad a little bit of sugar, but
like next week I'm going to getbetter, and then the next week
get better and the next.
You know what I mean, becausethat is also giving your
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microbiome that time.
But I do think with sugar, thefasting, mimicking diet did
really help, like kind of almostlike it didn't feel really
great, but at the same time,like when I got to the other
side of it, it made it a loteasier.
So I don't know if that waslike microbiome thing, like
dying off or something, but thatdid help.
But I, you know I did have toput a lot of willpower in there.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Okay.
So what I'm hearing is that thebig things that people can do
and slowly incorporate over timeis diet and eating real whole
foods, focusing on protein andvegetables, highly colorful,
good variety of vegetables,healthy fats and healthy fats
and we know from listening tothis podcast.
Healthy fats are importantbecause of the bilipid membrane
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in the skin and we need fats tohold in moisture and retain
water to make your skin lookdewy and plump.
Plus for your brain and thebrain and the hormones.
So fats are needed for brainhormones, skin and many, many
other things.
You mentioned exercise, vo2 max, weight training.
You mentioned sauna.
So if someone doesn't haveaccess to a sauna, do you think?
Because I look at the skin as amajor detox organ, so when we
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sweat we remove our heavy metalsand other toxins what if
someone's working out reallyhard, to the point where they're
sweating hard?
Is that equivalent to sauna ormore heat shock proteins with
sauna.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think there's more heat shock proteins with sauna,
I would imagine.
But you're still getting thatdetox and the thing is you are
detoxing, so make sure to take ashower, like right after, don't
I see these girls that get inthe sauna like first of all,
with all the plastic clothing onand all you know?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
and I'm like, oh my God, and then they don't take a
shower and I'm like like youjust reabsorbed all that Like.
But you know, obviously I seethat I see that at hot yoga and
I exit as soon as we're donewith Shavasana and I exit and I
go rinse my body off.
There's just a sink there and Irinse it off with the water,
and not only to prevent acnefrom forming and folliculitis,
but also to get those toxins off, because even 15 minutes
driving home they're going toget reabsorbed into the body.
So as soon as you sweat we wantto get it off.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, but so?
But if people can't afford asauna, I would encourage them to
look into local gyms.
Again, no affiliation, butshout out to EOS Like they've
made gym membership soaffordable and they usually
always have saunas, so theremight be a gym in your
neighborhood that you could useand they would have a sauna.
So it's like a win-win.
You got to go to the, you know,it's like a way to motivate
yourself to work out.
(38:55):
Like that was how I got intoworking out.
I was like, well, I'm justgoing to go for the sauna and
have like a spa day.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
And then it was like, well, I might as well lift some
weights.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know, it's like it's just it from the gym, so
for me the gym is a huge senseof community which I think we
underestimate in the longevityspace, is just the community.
I'm not when I'm in the gym,I'm in my zone, so I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
That's not my, I'll find you and I'll hunt you down
and make you be my friend.
No, I mean.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'm in.
I'm in with the earlier.
There's like different crowdsat different times of day.
You go later, I'm at.
I'm at the like four or five inthe morning and we're all in
our zones.
We're doing our thing, we getin, we get out.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, I still found you and made you be my friend.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I know you didn't make me.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I know, I know, Okay meditation that's attainable for
everyone, even just being inflow in the moment, and then
fasting.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Fasting, yeah, and I would encourage fasting,
mimicking.
Don't do the whole, because Ijust think it's so much easier
and so people can just Googlefasting, mimicking diet.
There's, you know, walter Longohas the kit out there, the
Prolong kits.
Again, no affiliation, but justyou know, or you can put in
some plan to your AI.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
You know, I think it tastes disgusting.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I know, I know, so you can.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I do not like the fasting mimicking diet.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I gave it to Julie.
No, no, you're talking aboutthe Prolong, because you can
design a fasting mimicking dietI do that yeah, you can design
your own.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, I'll do my own fasting, mimicking one of these
days, okay, and then the lastthing I wanted to touch on are
supplements that can be utilizedfor reducing your biological
age.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, so I'm a big, you know.
Obviously most people know I'ma big fan of Novos.
Again, like, yes, I have anaffiliate code, but like no, you
know, like this is just a fact,you know, I, I started taking
Novos and my life was pretty,you know, it was tough, I had a
teenager, you know whatever butliterally everything went to
(40:45):
hell in a hand basket for thefirst six months and I knew that
I could.
Just, I was part of their studyand I'm one of those people
like, oh gosh, I want to do goodfor them.
So I made sure to take it everyday.
But when they called me to takemy, you know, okay, six months
is up and I'm thinking, oh myGod, like I've just had
literally the most stressful sixmonths of my entire life, of my
entire life, and I thought,this isn't going to be good and
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it came back 8% slower.
So I know that that supplementworks and it's all about
clearing out the senescent cells.
There's all kinds of otherthings Again, science that is
way above my pay grade so peoplecan look that up, but it's a
great.
So I don't think you canachieve super great results with
no supplements.
But I do not think you need tobe taking a hundred pills at
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every meal like.
I just think there are so many,um, wonderful compounds out
there and companies doing umlike combination supplements and
they're making them into drinksand you know you just you have
to do your research.
But when you look intosenolytics that was how I found
that company they had likefisetin or fisetin, I don't know
how you say, I'm never gonnafigure that out, but anyway um,
(41:56):
which is a really powerfulsenolytic and found in
strawberries yes, found instrawberries, but you'd have to
eat a lot of strawberries to getwhat you need for clearing out
you know so, um, and then abunch of other things in there.
Glycinecine is in there and, infact, as a skin person, like
that was the thing that Inoticed.
I was like my skin just like.
Oh, I was like it just reallypopped my skin, which was really
(42:17):
cool, especially when I wasreally stressed out.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah Well, that's why I appreciate having this
conversation so much, because Ithink it's so easy for someone
to be listening and be likethat's not my life.
My life isn't perfect, I can'tjust like live to do all of
these hacks, but what you'retalking about is something that
is part of everyone's life, like, we can all find time to be
present in the moment.
We can all find time to sweat alittle bit, with and without
(42:42):
our families and our friends.
We could all find time andmoney to not eat for 24 to 48
hours.
Uh, these are accessible foreveryone.
Now, what if someone cannotafford to even get the true
diagnostic test?
are there simple ways to measurehow well you're aging, like
through.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I think you have mentioned before to me grip
strength grip strength, right,like that's a great, that's a
great way to measure it.
Like your balance, there'sbalance testing.
There's um, the grip stink is,you know, you have a thing that
you grab and it tells you theforce and you can buy something
like that off Amazon.
I don't think it's even 20bucks, you know, I don't think
that's very expensive.
Um, what else is the otherthings?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Um, you mentioned VO2 max.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
VO2 max.
Yeah, so VO2 max and also yourbody composition.
So how much um?
You know?
I mean, we all know sarcopeniawith aging, right?
So dexa scan is going to giveyou like how much muscle mass to
bone mass you can be looking at.
You know, it's a great, that'sa great test.
And so, like I go to a placecalled dexa fit um and they, I
think it's cost me, I don acouple, maybe it was like 100
(43:49):
for the DEXA, not even 100.
And then like 100, 150 for theVO2 max and part of the VO2 max,
they give you your restingmetabolic rate.
So you're sitting in a chairand they're giving you the exact
amount of calories you burn ifyou just sat around all day.
So it's really empowering too.
If you're trying to lose someweight, you can really dial in
the exact number of calories youneed to be eating on a daily
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basis, which is great.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Right, I just want to jump back.
For those of you who haven'theard the term sarcopenia it's
basically loss of muscle mass.
So you could see, whensomeone's older they kind of get
frail, they get a littlehunched over, they get skinny
legs.
Like we want to avoid all that.
We want to keep muscle on ourbody because that's a sign
(44:35):
Actually, all that we want tokeep muscle on our body, because
that's a sign actually your,your leg girth is associated
with, or the thickness of yourthighs is associated with longer
life.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So keeping muscle on your body is really essential,
or building the muscle.
I mean, it's like a savingsaccount, right?
You're just going to build itup because you know it's going
to decrease as you get older,even if you work out I mean even
the, even the best athletes,right, their VO2 max decreases
and their muscle mass decreases.
But you know why not like, whynot go from like great to good,
instead of good to bad?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
So VO2 max, you have to go somewhere to have it
tested.
I've never had my VO2 maxtested.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I think so.
I mean, like these rings andother things are giving you a
VO2 max, but it's based on alogarithm.
I'm not sure that that's evenlike one of the true diagnostic.
One of those tests, like eventhrough your blood, is giving
you a VO2 max.
I don't know.
I feel like why not just goright to the source and like
actually test your VO2 max?
Why use a logarithm when it'snot that expensive?
It's not a fun test, but it'sgood to know.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I mean, I only do it like once a year and, um, yeah,
I just again.
Those are things that's likeokay, they're not, it's not free
, but it's not, it's notbreaking the bank, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
So we have grip strength, vo2 max.
Uh, leg girth or muscle, yeah,muscle, muscle mass get.
What did we say?
Getting up from a lying downposition without yeah, your
hands another great one.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, can you get up from a lying down position?
Right, and there's differentways to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
There's just like there's a youtube that like I'm
gonna do it right now.
No, because you got.
You got the slippers on.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I don't think we both have dresses on.
But yeah, can you, you know,get up, and there's different
ways you can test, you know.
So, like I guess you would lookup mobility, I'm not exactly
sure what you would YouTube,we'll have to find okay.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
So I found one because I'm really into this.
This is what I try to practiceall the time and I get my kids
to do and I compete with them.
And there's a got, there's aYouTube video.
If you just look up, likegetting up, getting up, lying
down no hands, something likethat.
You want to see how quicklythat you can get up from a lying
down position without usingyour hands and I think it really
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tests pelvic girdle strengthbecause you're not pushing off,
because if you see an old person, the way they have to get up
off a chair, they have to usetheir hands.
We should not have to do that.
And in, like Japanese culture,they sit on the floor all the
time, so they're constantlygetting up and down and down and
let's just be honest, thecouches aren't good for us in
that in that regard, because wewant to be able to have good
(46:56):
balance to your point andstrength, so we don't fall.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
This is why gardening is so good.
I think one of the reasonsyou're getting up and down and
eating the vegetables diggingyeah and you got the veggies.
But even if you're growingflowers, like it's getting up
and down, this did bring youhappiness though.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, I know.
Okay, did I miss anything, Ithink we got it, yeah, okay.
So lots of ways that we knowwe're aging.
It used to be nine hallmarks ofaging, now we're up to 13.
And I think we're going to beeven more as the science
continues, and then once we knowwhat causes aging that we know
(47:31):
of, then we can figure out waysto take agency and control over
how quickly age, to the pointwhere I kind of wonder sometimes
, like how would I livedifferently if I didn't have a
birth certificate and I didn'tknow when I was born?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
If somebody asked me.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I would tell them I'm probably like 30.
That's how I feel.
I feel like 30, 33.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
I don't think I want to be 30 again.
It's like a lot of drama andlike uncertainty.
Oh, I love my 30s.
Sorry, living on a militarybase single girl.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
This is great Anyway.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Many options.
Yeah, I mean, but that's thething it's like if anyone is
listening here.
I mean, but that's the thingit's like if anyone is listening
here.
I mean, we kind of get in thismindset of our.
Oh, I'm sore, you know, myjoints hurt because of my age.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Well, they don't have to.
Yes, this was a big thing.
So I watched up, you know,watched my mom, kind of like,
well, I'm just old, you know,like, and she does have
arthritis, you know, and um, butit was like, well, I'm just old
, you know, like, and she doeshave arthritis, you know, and.
But it was like, oh, I'm justyou know, oh, I just have this
because I'm just old.
There's a bit of a giving up inthat and I mean I love my mom,
but you know, I see people, notjust my mom, I see other people
(48:43):
too.
There's a lack of empowermentthere that I don't think needs
to be there.
I don't think we need to bevictims to the calendar.
I think that we can do allkinds of things and each one of
those things you know you'retalking about, like there's all
these different hallmarks ofaging, but we have to remember
they all interconnect, soimpacting one affects others,
(49:08):
you know.
So if you're going to get outand exercise right, just if you
start building muscle, that'sactually going to help increase
your VO2 max, even if you'venever done a bunch of sprinting
and then you start sprinting.
You know they all work together.
So, at any rate, I just thinkwe can't.
We just can't lie down andaccept like, oh, this is just
what happens with age, and I amso grateful that more and more
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people don't feel like that.
I think you know what is itlike the guy who broke the
five-minute mile.
Then it was like, oh well, nowwe can do it under four minutes.
Oh, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, roger Bannister , yeah, yeah, and I think about
to your point.
You know, if you're eatingreally healthy, nutritious foods
and you have enhanced bloodflow, you're going to get that
much more nutrient delivery toyour skin and to your organs.
It's going to nourish you fromthe inside out.
So everything falls into placeand when you start feeling
better, it's easier toincorporate the other things.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just I don't know.
I think it's just like I don'twant to be in pain, I don't want
to spend a decade of my life indecline or unable to move.
I mean, there's just so much Iwant to see and so much I want
to do and I want you know, wantto be there for my son.
I just want, like I just wantI'm not afraid of dying by any
means Like I was having thisconversation last night with a
(50:22):
friend and it was just like likeI've had a great life, like if
I had, you know, peace out rightnow, like I would say I had a
good ride, I had a great ride,but there's still so much more I
want to see.
If I don't see it, okay, youknow, I'm not afraid of dying.
I'm more concerned about havinglike 10 or more years of not of
(50:45):
being alive but not being ableto experience life.
That's what I'm afraid of forthe most part, you know.
So it's like I'm just going todo everything I can.
I mean everything.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, and you are.
So I mean I love your strategythat you're not interfering or
interrupting your life toactually have a more expanded
life, and you are doing somecool things.
So can you share with everyone,before we close out here, what
you're doing on your YouTubechannel to give people some
tools?
And other places that they canfind you.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, so I do have an Instagram at Julie Gibson Clark
on Instagram and then, which Ijust post shenanigans and all
kinds of fun things.
And then I have a YouTubechannel that I started which is
the Longevity Kitchen, and it'sjust about like cooking and how,
like I hope eventually I'mgoing to help people put
together.
Like here's how you puttogether a week.
(51:35):
You know it's like cause that'sa lot like people are like how
do you do a pound of vegetablesa day?
How do you even make sure yougot them in the fridge every
week?
Eventually we'll get to that,but we're right now just kind of
laying down some basics andlike teaching people, like some
fun recipes or I don't reallylike to think of recipe because
I feel like that is just againadds more stress.
So it's like we're gonna makesomething, we're gonna think
about the structure and how wemake it.
(51:56):
So just really trying to teachpeople how to cook.
Because I feel like one of themajor things we've done that's
aged us is we've outsourced ourfood to.
You know, I don't want to callany companies out, but you know
we've outsourced it and they'rethey're a business.
They they're going to use thelowest, you know the cheapest
stuff.
They're not, not everybody.
There's some good restaurantsout there, but you know, if
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you're just always outsourcingthat it's, you're never going to
achieve pinnacle health,Whereas if you're sitting in
your kitchen, you know exactlywhat goes into your food, and so
I think we need to inspire, beinspired to get back into our
kitchen, and then we just needto get in there and start
working.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Start chopping your veggies.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
It'll be your meditation.
See, it's a win-win.
Meditate and chop veggies.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yes, you've helped me .
I mean, it doesn't feel likeit's add any stress to my life
at all and I'm really into itnow, so, and I'm in the moment
when I'm doing it, feeling allthe senses of my vegetables.
So thank you Everybody.
Check out Julie's Instagram andher longevity kitchen.
And more goodness to come,thank you.
Thank you.
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Hi everyone, welcome to thisweek's episode of the Listen to
your Skin podcast by Moon andSkin, and I'm your host, dr Jen
Haley, and today I'm joined by agood friend of mine, julie
Gibson-Clark, a formerstructural engineer turned
wellness advocate.
Who proves that biohacking doesnot have to break the bank.
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Kid.
Who proves that biohacking doesnot have to break the bank.
As a single mom, she optimizesher health on less than $150 a
month, using simple yet powerfulhabits like mindset, work,
movement, sauna therapy andtargeted supplements.
Her results speak forthemselves DNA methylation
testing shows she ages just 65days for every 100 chronological
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days, and she held the numbertwo spot on the Rejuvenation
Olympics leaderboard for over ayear.
Julie's passion is makinghealth and longevity accessible
for everyone, and today she'ssharing her best strategies for
staying strong, vibrant andhealthy, no matter what your
budget.
Julie, welcome to the show, sonice to be here, Jen.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Oh my gosh, this is going to be fun, huh yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Where do you want to start?
Yeah, I mean everywhere.
We talk so often about thesethings.
And first I'd really like youto discuss what biological age
is compared to chronological age, because I don't think that
people really understand thatthere's a difference between the
time we've been on the planetversus how our cells are aging.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Right, I mean the fastest way to understand.
That is like the twin studiesof one who smokes and one who
doesn't.
Right, I think we can easily.
We can see the aging, but whatwe can't see is what's happening
on the inside.
So we have our chronologicalage, you know minus 56, but then
(02:13):
we have different ways tomeasure our biological age.
So we have what is it?
12 different hallmarks of aging.
So really, theoretically, Isuppose you could have over 12
different ways to measure that.
So there's just a multitude ofthings that we're measuring or
not me I am not in that but thatthey're measuring when we're
looking at biological age.
So different tests aremeasuring different things and
(02:34):
every test can give you adifferent biological age in
theory.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Okay, so basically what I hear you saying is that
our genetics do not determinehow quickly we age saying is
that our genetics do notdetermine how quickly we age.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
Correct, yes, so let's talk about one of the age
marking, one of the age testsDNA methylation.
Right, so we're looking at wethe scientists because I am not
this is way above my pay grade,so I'm only going to explain it
the way I, as a little engineer,can understand it.
But you know, we've got our DNAmethylation or these, like
basically these guards thatalmost stand sentry over your
DNA and they're sort of sayingokay, you know, this genetic
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trait is going to stay turnedoff and this, you know, good
genetic trait is going to stayturned on.
So like, imagine a baby who'sgot the APOE4 gene.
Well, they're not going todevelop Alzheimer's as a baby
because their DNA methylation isworking to keep that DNA in a
very like functioning in a veryhealthy way.
So we can manipulate that DNAmethylation as we age.
(03:39):
And so what happens as you getolder?
That DNA methylation based onhow you live your life, so how
you play the piano almost rightLike the, I suppose, like your
genetics is the piano you'vebeen given.
But how you decide to play thatpiano, how fast you play that
song, how hard you play thatsong or how softly like that's
going to determine how that DNAmethylation ages.
(04:01):
I mean, that's just onebiomarker.
Of course there's, you know, abunch of different ways to
measure your biological age.
I mean there's physical ways,right.
There's your grip strength, youknow there's just so many
different ways that we age andthere's no one, like I said,
there's no one hallmark of aging, although they all are linked
together, right?
So if your DNA methylationstarts getting wonky, well then
(04:22):
other things are going to getwonky and your organ ages.
You know different organs aregoing to age.
I mean, it's all.
It all ties together.
But yet we can, because we're,you know, humans.
We have to kind of look at itsystematically and in different
ways.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So okay.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
So to translate that basically when I was in medical
school we were taught like oh,you'll know more than me.
Yeah, but you actually practiceit.
You actually practice it andyou've made a difference by over
20 years.
So you just mentioned you were56 years old and your tested
biological age has been what 36?
Speaker 2 (04:56):
36 years old right.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
So I want to get into that further, but I want to
just break it down for everyonelistening that we have this like
ageism.
I call it ageism because peoplewant to put people in certain
categories depending on ourchronological age, but what
really happens is our biologicalage is more of a determinant to
our health span and that we dohave control over it.
(05:21):
As you mentioned, in the twinstudies, one twin will age.
An identical twin will age at avery different rate than
another identical twin.
So even though they've been onthe earth the same amount of
time, they're aging at a verydifferent pace, and I think this
is the coolest thing in theworld, because that's what gives
us agency over our life, likewe don't have to just give up
(05:42):
and surrender to time.
We have control through littlechoices that we make, and it
doesn't have to be thebillionaires that have this.
It's tangible for everyone.
So I know you mentioned DNAmethylation.
Can you, before we talk aboutsome of the physical things, can
you talk about some of thehallmarks of aging and what is a
hallmark of aging and then howpeople can test for biological
(06:05):
age?
Yeah, I'm going to try, do yourbest and then tell us how to
hack it.
That's what we really want toget to here.
Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, I mean I can tell you how to hack the DNA
methylation which then hackslike all the other things.
Right, I mean?
So there's what.
The other big biological markeris, your telomeres, so your
telomere length.
I mean.
I know one of the great hacksfor telomere length is
meditation.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
That's the free.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
I mean, of course there are.
I think there's somesupplementation and some other
things that you're probably morefamiliar with.
But I know that meditation,particularly TM, they've studied
and it's done very well.
With what's telomeres?
Yeah, so telomeres are the end.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
You're well with um.
What's telomeres?
Yeah, so telomeres are the, andyou're the doctor, I'm the
engineer.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
Okay, I'll tell you how I this is the way I just
know I hear the whole shoelacestory.
Speaker 1 (06:50):
So they're like the ends of the caps on the end of
the shoelaces and you know, asthose get thinner, everything
kind of starts unraveling, rightyeah, so every time, our cells,
so our dna, is this cool doublehelix and I mean, I didn't
really learn this in medicalschool, this is just afterwards,
right.
But our, our cell, our dna, isa double helix and every time it
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replicates.
So while we're sitting herealive, all of our cells are
replicating, some at fasterrates than others.
That double helix, the twostrands of like your shoelace
have to unwind, and in order tounwind, the little end caps of
like what's that called on theend of the shoelace have to
unwind.
And in order to unwind, thelittle end caps of like what's
that called on the end of theshoelace?
That little cap, just an endcap, yeah, it has to come off
and for it to unwind, and everytime it does, that end cap gets
(07:35):
shorter and shorter and shorter.
So what happens is, the longerwe're alive, um, those end caps
have a higher chance of likecompletely decomposing.
And then you have frayedshoelaces and the cell dies.
And the more cells that die,the more we decompose, right?
So we want to keep thosetelomeres long.
So you're basically saying onething that you can do to do that
(07:56):
is meditation.
That's free, that's available.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Totally free and it's , you know, just keeping your
life low stress, which I meanthat's easier said than done,
right?
I mean, I've been through somepretty stressful periods, but
you know, you got to come upwith ways to mitigate the stress
of life.
I mean, just opening upInstagram can be stressful for
people, really, I mean.
So you have to empower yourselfand decide this is something
that's stressing me out.
(08:19):
I'm not going to do thatanymore.
You know, come up withdifferent ways and for me, I
started meditating.
That was like in the middle ofmy day and it's amazing, like
how you're just like, oh, wow, Ididn't even realize I was
stressed out.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
So how does someone start meditating?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
I want to back up first before, because you were
asking me about, you know,biological tests and we're kind
of like on the edge of this.
So cellular senescence andmeasuring your senescent cells
is another biological age test,right?
So how those zombie cells arebuilding up, and you sort of
alluded to it, right, it's likethe cells replicate and then you
have these ones that aren'treplicating anymore and they're
(08:53):
just like hanging out doingnothing.
I mean, they're little zombieslike hanging on for dear life,
you know, or whatever.
I mean.
Again, this is my own littleway of thinking of this, you
know, my non-scientific way.
So they're sitting around andyou have to, you know, come up
with ways to clear that out.
I mean, as you know, whenyou're younger that process is
happening all the time.
But you need to kind of do asynolytic detox, I suppose,
(09:16):
every so often, which is fasting.
That's one of the greatest waysto do that.
I think it's by day three of awhat do you call those?
Because you don't have to fastwith no food anymore.
I think Valter Longo has provedthat you can do the fasting
mimicking diet, and by day three, I think, you're detoxing your
senescent cells.
So that's amazing.
(09:37):
And then there's alsosenolytics out there.
Novos has got some great saysupplements or compounds in
there that help detox thosezombie cells as well, so that's
another way.
There's just I mean, there'sjust a multitude of ways to
measure your biological age so,and different companies have
different proprietary logarithmsthat are looking at different
(09:59):
aspects of aging and then kindof coming within a logarithm to
say, okay, this is yourbiological age.
So it's really different fromdifferent companies.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Right, so you've touched on methylation as being
the one that the RejuvenationOlympics uses.
That has been the one that youhave used.
Can you talk about why youthink that or why it seems to be
more standard that people aredoing that DNA methylation as
opposed to other age testing forbiological?
Speaker 2 (10:30):
age testing.
Again, this is from what Iunderstand, but that Dunedin
pace of aging is just one of themost reliable.
So like, on a daily basis, if Iwere to take a blood test, you
know, on Tuesday, wednesday,thursday, friday, I more than
likely would get the exact sameresult, whereas some of the
other ones that are usingdifferent blood biomarkers, that
(10:52):
could kind of be a little bitdifferent on every morning or at
night, or, you know, you mightget a different age, and so I
think what I understand in thatspace is that this is one of the
most reliable ways to look atit.
I the way I've made peace with,like, knowing that there's, you
know, a whole multitude oftests out there.
(11:13):
What I care about is I'm goingto take this one test and then
I'm going to, um, I'm going tomeditate, you know, I'm going to
make sure I meditate every dayfor a year or whatever, and then
I'm going to take that testagain.
Did it make a difference?
That's what I care about.
Is the difference?
So like, for instance, I did myfirst pace of aging test before
trying Novus.
I did a zero, you know, andthen at six months and it was
(11:35):
like whoa that made an 8%difference in my pace of aging.
And then I added, you know, apound of vegetables a day and
the exercise and the weights andthe saunas and the cold showers
, and you know I was meditatingall along, but you know, and
that made another three percentdifference.
So it's likewise like I couldgo on vacation and not sleep
very well and come back, take itagain and it might slow down my
(11:58):
pace or increase my pace ofaging.
You know so, when you take ityou do have to be a little
careful okay, so that's great.
Speaker 1 (12:06):
Um, you keep mentioning meditation and I
recall about 20 years ago I wasjust stressed out workaholic and
people would tell me I neededto meditate all the time and I'd
be like I don't have time forthat.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
You know one more thing I gotta do.
I get a massage.
I work out.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
So what is the simplest way for someone to
start meditating?
Okay, so I I love.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
This is something that was taught to my son when
he was going through a reallytough time and I thought this
was brilliant.
It was just on the way out thedoor.
Focus on the feeling of yourfeet in your shoes when you're
walking like a tick.
Not?
Han has a really wonderful bookfor people that do not have
time to meditate but want tomeditate.
It's called peace is every stepwhen you're watching, when
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you're washing the dishes, washthe dishes.
When you're making your bed,make your bed.
And I try to like touch on thisin my YouTube videos Like you
got to chop a lot of carrots.
Like then chop the carrots.
Like you know, be with them.
Like, oh, this color isbeautiful.
This, when I make the bed, likeI literally have focused on
like wow, I love how this fabricfeels on my hands, and like I
want to.
You know, just like you, justtake that time.
(13:08):
You've got to do it anyway.
Why do you need to be thinkingof like 500 things?
You need to be on that step,and so you just try to live your
life the way you would imagine.
I suppose you'd live as a monkin a monastery, I mean, I don't
know what they live like.
But that's what I would imagine, like when I'm making the tea,
I'm going to make the tea, and Ithink that that's the easiest
way for people that are really,really busy.
Because think about it like,let's say, you are like a
(13:29):
surgeon, right?
I mean, when you're in thatsurgery, be in that surgery.
Don't be thinking about likethe 5,000 things that you've got
going, which you invariably do.
You know, like most people have5,000 things going, but when
you're with your kids, be withyour kids.
Speaker 1 (13:44):
You know when I'm with you having this
conversation.
Don't think about the nextquestion.
Think about what you're sayingbecause that will naturally
direct where it organicallywants to go, as opposed to where
I think it should go Exactly.
Yeah, that's.
I mean, that's something that'sso tangible for everyone, and
the fact that it actually makesa difference in biological age.
Because, you know, we live inthis world whether it's skincare
(14:06):
or whether it's the longevitybiohacker space where people
want the crazy stuff.
They want to pull out like thenewest skincare trend and do put
slugs on their face or whatever, and they want to get their
blood drawn or their child'sblood drawn and inject it into
themselves.
And what you're saying is thatwe don't need to do that to make
(14:28):
a huge difference.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, at all like one of my favorite doctors, dr
darshan shah.
He always talks about thispareto principle and I just, I
think it's the most brilliantthing.
What is that?
20 that you need to do that cangoing to get you 80 percent of
the way.
And the 20 percent is like diet, exercise, meditation, like
those are all free, that is allfree and that's going to give
(14:50):
you 80 percent.
I'm not, you know, I wouldnever argue that like maybe
plasma exchange and um, allthese other things wouldn't help
.
But that's like the last 20%.
And same thing.
Like there's a Apex Medicaltalks about you know, like you
got to come up with a foundationright and that foundation is
(15:10):
your diet and exercise and getthat right because that will
actually help your hormones.
And then, once you get you know,then you kind of like, oh, what
hasn't worked with yourhormones?
You got to optimize yourhormones and then it's like you
got to optimize your weight andthen that last little bit, which
really in that kind of model islike the last 10, is all the
other very expensive therapies.
The rest of it is like we canall do this, it's free, it's
(15:34):
totally free, and I just yeah, Ijust wonder, like we talk about
the pace of aging, but I wonder, if, like we all, did that,
then what are all our paces ofage like?
Where would one be?
Does that like a, for instance?
So this, the pace of aging, isbased on a study of a thousand
people okay, take a step back.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
So, pace of aging versus biological age yeah, you
define those two.
Speaker 2 (15:58):
Yeah okay, so let's so biological age, like say
you've lived your life likereally really well, right, like
you've been really reallyhealthy.
You are going to have probablya low biological age.
But now we're going to look atlike, now you start getting
really stressed out and likelife goes to hell in a
handbasket and you're eatingpizza every night and you're not
exercising and you're whatever.
(16:19):
You're still going to have likea slower biological age because
you had all those years ofdoing well, right, but your pace
of aging might increase becausenow you're you're doing like,
say you start picking up smoking.
Well, now your pace of aging isgoing to change for sure.
Or same thing, like as you getolder, your pace of aging kind
of.
You know, like when you kind ofgo start going downhill, you
kind of start so the biologicalage is more cumulative over your
(16:42):
lifespan, whereas the pace ofaging is a more not volatile,
but it changes more quicklydepending on what's currently
going on yes, but what you'redoing, more so than you know,
more than your genetics, I meanlike okay, let's, let's even use
brian johnson, right, he talkedabout his old, his previous um,
how do you say practices, orhow he was living his life,
(17:05):
right, like running Venmo andlike pizza, and you know it was
a very unhealthy lifestyle andhe had a very high pace of aging
.
Then he started doing all thethings that he's doing and he's
slowly, slowly, slowly slowingdown that pace of aging.
So I mean, he's doing all thestuff.
You know nothing wrong there.
But for the people listening tothis podcast that don't have
(17:25):
two million dollars, I'm tellingyou, you know, diet, exercise,
those are all free and they,they move the needle 80 of the
way okay.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
So I mean I beat myself up a little bit, just
from a from a skin perspectiveand now almost from a health
optimizations perspective, andwe've talked about this because
I grew up in an urban desert inNew York, very poor, I didn't
really have any vegetables untilI was like 25, I think in
college, my diet was alcohol andfiber, one cereal and apples.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
I was canned spinach and milk.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
That was my college, yeah, and I never wore sunscreen
until I was 30 and I think, ohmy gosh, is it too late.
So I probably started to have abetter diet once I turned 35
ish.
But just say, someone'slistening to this and they're 40
, 45 and they're thinking, oh,it's too late for me is it ever,
ever too late?
No, never, never, because youcan really turn things around,
(18:23):
like really profoundly turnthings around Like what are five
things somebody can do startingin the next, because we don't
want you all to start thingslike all at once.
That's too much.
I was just going to say, yeah,that's too much.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
That's the number one thing is to like not do all the
things you know, almost like.
I think it's helpful to come upwith like one plan, I suppose,
like okay, like like I have afew metrics that I try to make
work.
Every day I do a pound ofvegetables and make sure half of
those are greens.
(18:57):
I'm doing that, yeah Well, I'mdoing that so and easily, like,
and I'm going to get you intothat, but anyway, doing that,
yeah Well, I'm doing that so andeasily, like, and I'm going to
get you into that, but anyway.
And my new thing is I'm goingto start adding, like, trying to
eat a beet every day, whichwe'll see.
I'm working on some recipes,but anyway, um, cause they're
really good for your DNAmethylation.
I eat a lot of beets, yes, sothat's good, that's very, very
good for you, um, but so youknow there's diet, and so that's
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a few metrics, like you know,making sure you get adequate
protein amounts, and that youwhat's that?
Well, from the number thatseems to be floating out there
again, not a doctor, not aresearcher, but what I've heard,
it seems like, is one gram ofprotein for every pound of body
weight.
Some people say it's per poundof lean mass, so there's some,
(19:41):
you know, some discrepancy there.
But so for me, that's likebetween 100 and 130 grams of
protein.
And so what I do is I justthought, well, I'll just count
the protein foods and I don'tcount all the protein that's in
veggies and all the other stuff,because I like, well, they'll
just go along for the ride.
You know, I'll end up with like130, probably.
I don't know yeah you know.
So I just make sure I get that.
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And then I make sure I have thepound of vegetables a day and,
like I said, half of those aregreens.
So you know, like, I'm notcounting potatoes as a vegetable
, any you know starchy veggiesI'm not counting as a veggie,
but like the greens, I don'tmind, like like beets, even
though they're a root vegetable,turn those kind of things I
just don't count like starchystuff and I don't notice.
(20:22):
I don't say plants either.
I say vegetables Cause, likeyou know, rice and grains are
plants too, but that doesn't,that's just different.
So so those are the two likediet metrics that I make sure
happen.
And of course, I'm, you know,optimizing how much I'm drinking
water.
You know I'm also trying tomake sure it's organic and all
of those good things.
And then I just try to makesure I've got a VO2 max in there
(20:45):
, because again, that's anotherway to measure aging is your VO2
max.
It's a predictor of your age.
So I'm doing that once a week.
I'm doing a HIIT exercise oncea week.
I'm doing strength training,which is always changing all the
time, and saunas are reallygood, but, like, if people have
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access to it, if they don't.
They don't.
That's like again, that's kindof just getting.
That diet and exercise piece isgoing to get you a long way and
it just takes a while, thoughyou can't do all the things at
once.
I mean, I've been doing thisfor gosh over 25 years, you know
.
So it's taken like one little.
I always like I love this likeanalogy, because I'm very into
cathedrals.
(21:28):
Anybody who's been to Europewith me will know that's all I
do is like sit in cathedrals andI just like I love them.
But I love thinking of my lifelike a cathedral that I'm
building, you know, like it'sone brick, I just have to do
this one brick.
And so, like the, the pound ofvegetables, I was like Sarah got
Dr Sarah Godfrey talks aboutthat and I was like, okay, yeah,
(21:49):
I think I could do that.
Like I could do that, let mesee if I could do that, you know
.
And I didn't start.
I didn't just eat a pound ofvegetables a day, cause like
that is like gas, it is reallymean to your body.
So I was like, oh, I'll juststart with like a carrot and
some greens, you know.
And then it was like okay, thenlike next week I might add a
little bit more, but you know, Ijust slowly built it over time
to so that it became so habitual.
(22:13):
I use the term like, I use thisanalogy a lot, but like brushing
your teeth like nobody, likeyou have to brush your teeth
twice a day and yes, okay, it'sonly two minutes each time, but
you don't.
It doesn't occupy any mentalspace, like whatsoever.
You just know you're going togut me, I hope If you're not, if
you're not brushing your teeth,brush your teeth because oral
health is really important, butanyway, so you know you brush
your teeth twice a day, samething like you're.
(22:34):
When you first start a habit,it takes a lot of mental space.
Like, oh, I got to get to thestore, I got to make sure I have
the veggies, I got to have themon hand, I got to prep them, I
got to da, da, da, da, you knowall of those things.
But then it just becomes likesecond nature and you're just
doing it and it doesn't occupyany mental space.
Speaker 1 (22:52):
So, but only if you build it slowly.
Yeah, we were talking aboutthis earlier, about even
toothbrushing, because littlekids, it does occupy mental
space because they have to learn.
So whatever stage we're in, wewill have to use some mental
space until it becomes habitual.
And now it just becomeshabitual like beet kvass.
You got me into beet kvass.
I am not great in the kitchenand now I love making beet kvass
(23:15):
and it takes 15-20 minutes onceevery couple weeks and it gives
me so much nutrients andfermented.
I'm really into fermented foods.
What do you think aboutfermented foods?
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Yeah, I think they're really important, I mean again.
I'm not a scientist but fromwhat I hear and from what I
experiment with and feel, I meanthis is really kind of, when I
started eating more fermentedfoods again went slowly, I
didn't.
You know, I started with like atablespoon at each meal of
fermented foods, but it justhelped Like I could almost feel
my food getting digested and itjust I feel like my tummy stays.
(23:47):
I mean, for all the girls outthere, it's like my tummy stays
a little flatter, you know, justall of those things like feel
like they're working better.
But what, the way I understandit is like we're not just what
we eat, we're what ourmicrobiome eats, because that
microbiome is actually makingvitamins for us.
And I just think that is themost freaking cool thing in the
whole wide world that we've inour house.
(24:07):
We call them happy bugs.
You know, I used to raise myson saying, like you know well,
what, what kind of happy bugs isthat going to?
You know, is that going to begood for your happy bugs?
Is that going to be bad foryour happy bugs?
And, like you know so it wasalways like kind of a fun
conversation to have with kidsBecause you're like, do you have
bugs inside of you?
Speaker 1 (24:23):
You know a lot of bugs and so that's really kind
of fun, you know, but yeah youknow it's so interesting because
the more we're learning withskin and the microbiome, the
more we're realizing how manyconditions are associated with
the gut microbiome.
Is eczema one of them?
It's not one of them.
Psoriasis and rosacea areparticularly linked, but eczema,
you know, there's somecontroversy.
There's more correlation thancausation, but we're really
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finding that there's a lot ofrelationship.
And when we're an embryo, ourskin and our gut come from the
same cell type, so it makescomplete sense, and our brain as
well.
So they're all interrelated andwestern medicine wants to
divide the body, but we'rereally all interconnected.
So if your biological age isyounger, your skin is going to
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naturally look younger, like noone would ever think you looked
56, that's well, I get a fewcomments online.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
She definitely looks 56 and I mean, listen, let me
just like back up, because I wasa swimmer and I'm a beach baby
and I never, I to this day, Ididn't wear sunscreen on the way
down here.
I mean, I don't wear sunscreen,I don't, I don't do it.
I know you guys say to wear itand like I'm going to Hawaii
next week I will wear thesunscreen, you know, but for the
most part, no-transcript.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
So I think that you could probably get me to eat
more vegetables and I can getyou to take better care of your
skin.
So do we know?
Our biological age is our bodyas a whole, but what about
different organs?
To that point, do differentorgans age differently, Like
does your brain age differentlythan your kidneys and your skin?
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, this is what they're talking about now, and
there's a way to measure that,which I think is fabulous.
Again, science.
I do not understand but thefact that these omics age and
symphony age, and looking atwhat are the names of them One
is omics and one is symphony age, and this is all.
Yeah, well, at any rate, I just.
(26:28):
I think it's so fascinating andthe way I heard it explained
was like, of course our organsage at different rates and of
course we are all agingdifferent rates.
Otherwise we would all developthe same disease in the same
organ at the same time of life,and that's not true.
I mean, just looking at myparents, you know it's like, my
mom has Parkinson's, my dad hasa little bit of dementia, you
(26:51):
know it's like, but they'remaybe within five years of each
other, you know, so could agedifferently.
Your skin could age.
It's an organ, right, it canage very differently than, say,
your heart, your muscular system.
I suppose, like if you werelike an elite athlete that might
(27:17):
, you know, stay strong for avery long time, but maybe you
had a lot of inflammation.
You know, different things aregoing to age differently, which
I just think is fascinatingthat's super fascinating, but
here's what's empowering aboutit this is the most important
thing is if you can afford thattest and like, look at that,
it's like now you have a way, awindow into oh my gosh, you know
, my lungs are aging really fast.
(27:38):
Oh, what do I need to do toreally support my lungs?
And looking at that, becausethey're all tied together, just
like you said, you know it'slike, although we're looking at
different systems or different,you know individual organs, of
course they all work togetherand if one starts suffering,
like others are going to startsuffering.
I mean, if you start like notbeing able to breathe, I think
we would agree a lot of stuff isgoing to go, you know wrong.
(28:04):
So it just it's empowering,though, because you can get a
window into what's happeninglong before you're having
problems, and I think that'swhat's really, really cool.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Okay, and the current test that people are utilizing
is the true diagnostic test andthese things change all the time
.
They change all the time, butthat's measuring your actual
organ age and it's almost likethe weakest link in a chain If
your kidneys are the weakest,it's going to bring other things
down.
If your brain is the weakest,it's going to bring other things
down.
So if you get a clue that onething, one organ system is aging
more rapidly than the others,you can get a jump on it before
(28:32):
you have any symptoms.
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, exactly Interesting.
I haven't, you know, fulldisclosure, I've not taken it
yet, I've just been like lookingat it and interested in it.
It's, you know it's out of mybudget.
I mean, I'm just like everybodyelse, that's out of my budget.
It's not something that I canafford right now, but it is
something that, like in the verynear future, I want to be doing
.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, and I always think about why do we do a test?
The only reason I want to do atest is it going to change a
behavior of mine right.
So it looks like I mean withdiet, you're basically saying
eat nutritionally dense wholefoods.
Can I do microgreens?
Do I have to weigh microgreens,or do microgreens count as more
vegetables?
You know, I don't.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I honestly don't know .
I honestly don't because I knowthat I've heard about that like
that, like broccoli sprouts,for instance, that the amount of
sulforaphane in a broccolisprout can be as much as like in
the whole head or something.
Again, I'm not a scientist, Idon't know, but you know that's
really cool if that's true.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
That's what.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
I veggies, I just love like, I like again back to
meditation, like I love going ifI can go to the farmer's market
, you know I love to go there,if I can get to the grocery
store.
Just all the colors, like it'sjust, I mean I just it's like a
radish, I mean it's so beautifulthat red, like a red beet.
You cut it open and all thatLike that is absolutely like,
(29:47):
like it's gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
No, it is.
And also I mean to your pointabout having a pound of
vegetables.
The fiber also helps movethings through your body for
phase three detoxification,which a lot of women have a hard
time going to the bathroom andthey get constipated and they
have problems with estrogen andhaving the bad estrogen recycle
through the body.
So there's a lot of reasons.
(30:09):
It's not just about thevegetables, it's about the whole
food and what it does for ourbody.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yeah, I mean that's what's really interesting, right
, like we all take like you know, I take supplements too, but
like you know to take like, um,let's say, oh, I'm going to take
vitamin C, versus like gettingvitamin C in a veggie that has
all these other things that aregoing to work synergistically,
that's like really cool to me.
Like you, I think there's somuch we don't know about eating
(30:40):
veggies or plants.
I mean, think about it.
I just try to think like okay,let's say, like all bets are off
, like now, all of a sudden,we're wandering around in the
wilderness right now, like youknow, just trying to.
And I have actually, I havesurvival training in the
wilderness and I have collegecredit for this, by the way,
thank you, mom and dad.
And we had to like forage offthe land the last day and like
(31:01):
that's what you're doing.
You know you're just eatingplants.
You're just like, oh, yeah,okay, I know this is I mean, we
had to be taught which ones weresafe that whole trip Like we
were just eating plants.
And I just think like no, duh,like we were evolved, we had to
have evolved to like with plantssomehow, like again that
microbiome, because it's kind oflike who's running the show.
Like I know, when I was really abig sugar eater, I always felt
(31:24):
like I had an addiction to sugarand once I did a lot of the
fasting you know, I did thefasting, mimicking diets and
stuff it really shifted mymicrobiome and I don't I don't
like forage for sugar anymoreand I just wonder if, like, our
body eats something and knowslike, oh my god, this is really
good, because I really do, likeI need my greens, like I love my
(31:44):
greens and I need them and Icrave them, and when I'm
traveling it's really can becomea problem.
You know, I agree with you.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I do think our microbiome gives us cravings for
different things.
I do want to say that if I evergo on naked and afraid I'm
going to be on there with you,I'm not doing it, no way.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
I do think our microbiome craves that.
So I find that like if I'm inthat sugar addiction because it
lights up areas of the brain onfunctional MRI, same as like
heroin.
So it's very addictive and alot of people listening might be
like I can't give up my sugar.
So can you talk about how youwould recommend going through a
sugar detox until you get reset?
(32:24):
Because it's really true thatonce you reset your palate,
things like celery can actuallytaste sweet and salty.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
Hazelnuts, you just have to get through it.
Speaker 1 (32:32):
So how does someone go through incorporating good
while slowly removing the badand, you know, without going
through that horrible feeling offlu and misery and crankiness.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
It is awful, isn't it ?
I don't, you know, I meantalking to somebody who took it
took over a decade for me to getoff sugar.
I mean, really, you're talkingto somebody who took it took
over a decade for me to get offsugar.
I mean really, and I think itwas like the final nail in the I
would do like the fasting,mimicking diets, like that was
very helpful to me.
But it was really when I said,hey, I'm going to eat a pound of
vegetables a day, and like it'sso filling when you, when you
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focus on what you're going to doand what you're, you know, you
just kind of leave behind Like Idon't focus on like how many
carbs.
I don't count carbs, I don't doany of that because I'm so full
off the protein and thevegetables that I just don't
really.
It's like if I crave anythinglike, say, I'm craving a little
sweet, I'll have literally likeone chocolate chip in it, and
which sounds so stupid to peoplethat are on sugar right now,
(33:30):
because I know how dumb thatwould have sounded to me, but I
would say one of the greatestthings I found very helpful was
berries, like when I would havea craving for sugar, I would
like say it was ice cream.
I would freeze up a bunch ofberries or I would get the
frozen berries at Costco andthat, for some reason, was you
know.
So you have to kind of likelook at what your cravings are
and try to find somethinghealthier, but and just know
(33:53):
there is going to be some timewhere you're going to have to
kind of find your inner general.
You know, I call it your innergeneral.
You know you are worthless.
Worthless and weak, you know,or whatever.
Like somebody's gonna reallyboss you around and so you're
not going to do that.
But it's a lot easier to dothat when you're super full, off
of edgy.
I mean, like I come down fordinner and I'm almost force
feeding myself every night CauseI'm like, okay, I know, I need,
(34:14):
you know, four more ounces ofgreens and 20 more grams of
protein, okay, and usually I'mjust going to have a liquid
cause I'm just so full by then.
Speaker 1 (34:22):
Yeah, you know similar with me.
When I was in college it wasthe low fat, high carb rage and
I I was always hungry.
I was always having a hard timemanaging my weight.
And now I'm protein centered.
I look at eating real foods andeverything sort of falls into
place if you just focus on thosetwo things eating real foods
(34:43):
and protein centered and healthyfats and I don't hesitate to
dribble like olive oil andavocado all over my stuff and my
weight tends to be okay, asopposed to if I was having more
processed foods.
I tend to get really hungry andI know it's sugar spikes,
insulin and then sugar downs andup and down, and up and down.
(35:04):
So I think diet really plays ahuge role because we're looking
at it as messengers, like whatare the messages?
We're looking at it asmessengers, like what are the
messages we're sending toourselves?
Are we sending good messages toturn the genes on or turn the
genes off?
And once you start looking atfood as a message, it's a lot
different than if you're justfilling your tongue with
(35:26):
satisfying.
Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, food is information and food is medicine
.
I mean those two things arejust like duh.
Like I mean it's not no duh,but when you start eating, like
that, you're like, oh my gosh.
And then, same thing, like isthe microbiome the messenger?
Like is the microbiome likemaking you forage for, for those
things?
So I just I want people to walkaway from this, not thinking,
(35:54):
oh well, great, you know,they're so perfect.
I want them to like I struggledwith all of this for for
decades I mean decades, andespecially the sugar at night,
like I would be so good all day.
And then it would be like, oh, Ijust need a little bit of ice
cream, you know.
And then it was like, oh well,you know, and uh, you know it's,
it took me a long time, but youcan do it.
It just you got to do it stepby step by step, you know, and
just focusing on, like, addingmore things.
You know, and just, and look atthis, what really really helped
was like looking at this, like,oh, I have the rest of my life
(36:15):
to do this.
I'm not trying to come offsugar in eight weeks.
I'm just going to, like, thisweek, focus on this, you know
I'm going to add some berries atnight and I'm going to make
sure I get extra veggies duringthe day.
Okay, all right, maybe I stillhad a little bit of sugar, but
like next week I'm going to getbetter, and then the next week
get better and the next.
You know what I mean, becausethat is also giving your
(36:35):
microbiome that time.
But I do think with sugar, thefasting, mimicking diet did
really help, like kind of almostlike it didn't feel really
great, but at the same time,like when I got to the other
side of it, it made it a loteasier.
So I don't know if that waslike microbiome thing, like
dying off or something, but thatdid help.
But I, you know I did have toput a lot of willpower in there.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Okay.
So what I'm hearing is that thebig things that people can do
and slowly incorporate over timeis diet and eating real whole
foods, focusing on protein andvegetables, highly colorful,
good variety of vegetables,healthy fats and healthy fats
and we know from listening tothis podcast.
Healthy fats are importantbecause of the bilipid membrane
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in the skin and we need fats tohold in moisture and retain
water to make your skin lookdewy and plump.
Plus for your brain and thebrain and the hormones.
So fats are needed for brainhormones, skin and many, many
other things.
You mentioned exercise, vo2 max, weight training.
You mentioned sauna.
So if someone doesn't haveaccess to a sauna, do you think?
Because I look at the skin as amajor detox organ, so when we
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sweat we remove our heavy metalsand other toxins what if
someone's working out reallyhard, to the point where they're
sweating hard?
Is that equivalent to sauna ormore heat shock proteins with
sauna.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
I think there's more heat shock proteins with sauna,
I would imagine.
But you're still getting thatdetox and the thing is you are
detoxing, so make sure to take ashower, like right after, don't
I see these girls that get inthe sauna like first of all,
with all the plastic clothing onand all you know?
Speaker 1 (38:15):
and I'm like, oh my God, and then they don't take a
shower and I'm like like youjust reabsorbed all that Like.
But you know, obviously I seethat I see that at hot yoga and
I exit as soon as we're donewith Shavasana and I exit and I
go rinse my body off.
There's just a sink there and Irinse it off with the water,
and not only to prevent acnefrom forming and folliculitis,
but also to get those toxins off, because even 15 minutes
driving home they're going toget reabsorbed into the body.
So as soon as you sweat we wantto get it off.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Yeah, but so?
But if people can't afford asauna, I would encourage them to
look into local gyms.
Again, no affiliation, butshout out to EOS Like they've
made gym membership soaffordable and they usually
always have saunas, so theremight be a gym in your
neighborhood that you could useand they would have a sauna.
So it's like a win-win.
You got to go to the, you know,it's like a way to motivate
yourself to work out.
(38:55):
Like that was how I got intoworking out.
I was like, well, I'm justgoing to go for the sauna and
have like a spa day.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
And then it was like, well, I might as well lift some
weights.
Speaker 2 (39:11):
You know, it's like it's just it from the gym, so
for me the gym is a huge senseof community which I think we
underestimate in the longevityspace, is just the community.
I'm not when I'm in the gym,I'm in my zone, so I'm.
Speaker 1 (39:16):
That's not my, I'll find you and I'll hunt you down
and make you be my friend.
No, I mean.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
I'm in.
I'm in with the earlier.
There's like different crowdsat different times of day.
You go later, I'm at.
I'm at the like four or five inthe morning and we're all in
our zones.
We're doing our thing, we getin, we get out.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
Yeah, I still found you and made you be my friend.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
I know you didn't make me.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
I know, I know, Okay meditation that's attainable for
everyone, even just being inflow in the moment, and then
fasting.
Speaker 2 (39:41):
Fasting, yeah, and I would encourage fasting,
mimicking.
Don't do the whole, because Ijust think it's so much easier
and so people can just Googlefasting, mimicking diet.
There's, you know, walter Longohas the kit out there, the
Prolong kits.
Again, no affiliation, but justyou know, or you can put in
some plan to your AI.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
You know, I think it tastes disgusting.
Speaker 2 (40:00):
I know, I know, so you can.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
I do not like the fasting mimicking diet.
Speaker 2 (40:03):
I gave it to Julie.
No, no, you're talking aboutthe Prolong, because you can
design a fasting mimicking dietI do that yeah, you can design
your own.
Speaker 1 (40:10):
Yeah, I'll do my own fasting, mimicking one of these
days, okay, and then the lastthing I wanted to touch on are
supplements that can be utilizedfor reducing your biological
age.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
Yeah, so I'm a big, you know.
Obviously most people know I'ma big fan of Novos.
Again, like, yes, I have anaffiliate code, but like no, you
know, like this is just a fact,you know, I, I started taking
Novos and my life was pretty,you know, it was tough, I had a
teenager, you know whatever butliterally everything went to
(40:45):
hell in a hand basket for thefirst six months and I knew that
I could.
Just, I was part of their studyand I'm one of those people
like, oh gosh, I want to do goodfor them.
So I made sure to take it everyday.
But when they called me to takemy, you know, okay, six months
is up and I'm thinking, oh myGod, like I've just had
literally the most stressful sixmonths of my entire life, of my
entire life, and I thought,this isn't going to be good and
(41:08):
it came back 8% slower.
So I know that that supplementworks and it's all about
clearing out the senescent cells.
There's all kinds of otherthings Again, science that is
way above my pay grade so peoplecan look that up, but it's a
great.
So I don't think you canachieve super great results with
no supplements.
But I do not think you need tobe taking a hundred pills at
(41:32):
every meal like.
I just think there are so many,um, wonderful compounds out
there and companies doing umlike combination supplements and
they're making them into drinksand you know you just you have
to do your research.
But when you look intosenolytics that was how I found
that company they had likefisetin or fisetin, I don't know
how you say, I'm never gonnafigure that out, but anyway um,
(41:56):
which is a really powerfulsenolytic and found in
strawberries yes, found instrawberries, but you'd have to
eat a lot of strawberries to getwhat you need for clearing out
you know so, um, and then abunch of other things in there.
Glycinecine is in there and, infact, as a skin person, like
that was the thing that Inoticed.
I was like my skin just like.
Oh, I was like it just reallypopped my skin, which was really
(42:17):
cool, especially when I wasreally stressed out.
Speaker 1 (42:20):
Yeah Well, that's why I appreciate having this
conversation so much, because Ithink it's so easy for someone
to be listening and be likethat's not my life.
My life isn't perfect, I can'tjust like live to do all of
these hacks, but what you'retalking about is something that
is part of everyone's life, like, we can all find time to be
present in the moment.
We can all find time to sweat alittle bit, with and without
(42:42):
our families and our friends.
We could all find time andmoney to not eat for 24 to 48
hours.
Uh, these are accessible foreveryone.
Now, what if someone cannotafford to even get the true
diagnostic test?
are there simple ways to measurehow well you're aging, like
through.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
I think you have mentioned before to me grip
strength grip strength, right,like that's a great, that's a
great way to measure it.
Like your balance, there'sbalance testing.
There's um, the grip stink is,you know, you have a thing that
you grab and it tells you theforce and you can buy something
like that off Amazon.
I don't think it's even 20bucks, you know, I don't think
that's very expensive.
Um, what else is the otherthings?
Speaker 1 (43:23):
Um, you mentioned VO2 max.
Speaker 2 (43:26):
VO2 max.
Yeah, so VO2 max and also yourbody composition.
So how much um?
You know?
I mean, we all know sarcopeniawith aging, right?
So dexa scan is going to giveyou like how much muscle mass to
bone mass you can be looking at.
You know, it's a great, that'sa great test.
And so, like I go to a placecalled dexa fit um and they, I
think it's cost me, I don acouple, maybe it was like 100
(43:49):
for the DEXA, not even 100.
And then like 100, 150 for theVO2 max and part of the VO2 max,
they give you your restingmetabolic rate.
So you're sitting in a chairand they're giving you the exact
amount of calories you burn ifyou just sat around all day.
So it's really empowering too.
If you're trying to lose someweight, you can really dial in
the exact number of calories youneed to be eating on a daily
(44:11):
basis, which is great.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Right, I just want to jump back.
For those of you who haven'theard the term sarcopenia it's
basically loss of muscle mass.
So you could see, whensomeone's older they kind of get
frail, they get a littlehunched over, they get skinny
legs.
Like we want to avoid all that.
We want to keep muscle on ourbody because that's a sign
(44:35):
Actually, all that we want tokeep muscle on our body, because
that's a sign actually your,your leg girth is associated
with, or the thickness of yourthighs is associated with longer
life.
Speaker 2 (44:39):
So keeping muscle on your body is really essential,
or building the muscle.
I mean, it's like a savingsaccount, right?
You're just going to build itup because you know it's going
to decrease as you get older,even if you work out I mean even
the, even the best athletes,right, their VO2 max decreases
and their muscle mass decreases.
But you know why not like, whynot go from like great to good,
instead of good to bad?
Speaker 1 (44:58):
So VO2 max, you have to go somewhere to have it
tested.
I've never had my VO2 maxtested.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I think so.
I mean, like these rings andother things are giving you a
VO2 max, but it's based on alogarithm.
I'm not sure that that's evenlike one of the true diagnostic.
One of those tests, like eventhrough your blood, is giving
you a VO2 max.
I don't know.
I feel like why not just goright to the source and like
actually test your VO2 max?
Why use a logarithm when it'snot that expensive?
It's not a fun test, but it'sgood to know.
Speaker 1 (45:26):
Right.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
I mean, I only do it like once a year and, um, yeah,
I just again.
Those are things that's likeokay, they're not, it's not free
, but it's not, it's notbreaking the bank, you know.
Speaker 1 (45:37):
So we have grip strength, vo2 max.
Uh, leg girth or muscle, yeah,muscle, muscle mass get.
What did we say?
Getting up from a lying downposition without yeah, your
hands another great one.
Speaker 2 (45:50):
Yeah, can you get up from a lying down position?
Right, and there's differentways to do it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
There's just like there's a youtube that like I'm
gonna do it right now.
No, because you got.
You got the slippers on.
Speaker 2 (46:00):
I don't think we both have dresses on.
But yeah, can you, you know,get up, and there's different
ways you can test, you know.
So, like I guess you would lookup mobility, I'm not exactly
sure what you would YouTube,we'll have to find okay.
Speaker 1 (46:11):
So I found one because I'm really into this.
This is what I try to practiceall the time and I get my kids
to do and I compete with them.
And there's a got, there's aYouTube video.
If you just look up, likegetting up, getting up, lying
down no hands, something likethat.
You want to see how quicklythat you can get up from a lying
down position without usingyour hands and I think it really
(46:33):
tests pelvic girdle strengthbecause you're not pushing off,
because if you see an old person, the way they have to get up
off a chair, they have to usetheir hands.
We should not have to do that.
And in, like Japanese culture,they sit on the floor all the
time, so they're constantlygetting up and down and down and
let's just be honest, thecouches aren't good for us in
that in that regard, because wewant to be able to have good
(46:56):
balance to your point andstrength, so we don't fall.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
This is why gardening is so good.
I think one of the reasonsyou're getting up and down and
eating the vegetables diggingyeah and you got the veggies.
But even if you're growingflowers, like it's getting up
and down, this did bring youhappiness though.
Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, I know.
Okay, did I miss anything, Ithink we got it, yeah, okay.
So lots of ways that we knowwe're aging.
It used to be nine hallmarks ofaging, now we're up to 13.
And I think we're going to beeven more as the science
continues, and then once we knowwhat causes aging that we know
(47:31):
of, then we can figure out waysto take agency and control over
how quickly age, to the pointwhere I kind of wonder sometimes
, like how would I livedifferently if I didn't have a
birth certificate and I didn'tknow when I was born?
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:49):
If somebody asked me.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
I would tell them I'm probably like 30.
That's how I feel.
I feel like 30, 33.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
I don't think I want to be 30 again.
It's like a lot of drama andlike uncertainty.
Oh, I love my 30s.
Sorry, living on a militarybase single girl.
Speaker 2 (48:03):
This is great Anyway.
Speaker 1 (48:06):
Many options.
Yeah, I mean, but that's thething it's like if anyone is
listening here.
I mean, but that's the thingit's like if anyone is listening
here.
I mean, we kind of get in thismindset of our.
Oh, I'm sore, you know, myjoints hurt because of my age.
Speaker 2 (48:20):
Well, they don't have to.
Yes, this was a big thing.
So I watched up, you know,watched my mom, kind of like,
well, I'm just old, you know,like, and she does have
arthritis, you know, and um, butit was like, well, I'm just old
, you know, like, and she doeshave arthritis, you know, and.
But it was like, oh, I'm justyou know, oh, I just have this
because I'm just old.
There's a bit of a giving up inthat and I mean I love my mom,
but you know, I see people, notjust my mom, I see other people
(48:43):
too.
There's a lack of empowermentthere that I don't think needs
to be there.
I don't think we need to bevictims to the calendar.
I think that we can do allkinds of things and each one of
those things you know you'retalking about, like there's all
these different hallmarks ofaging, but we have to remember
they all interconnect, soimpacting one affects others,
(49:08):
you know.
So if you're going to get outand exercise right, just if you
start building muscle, that'sactually going to help increase
your VO2 max, even if you'venever done a bunch of sprinting
and then you start sprinting.
You know they all work together.
So, at any rate, I just thinkwe can't.
We just can't lie down andaccept like, oh, this is just
what happens with age, and I amso grateful that more and more
(49:29):
people don't feel like that.
I think you know what is itlike the guy who broke the
five-minute mile.
Then it was like, oh well, nowwe can do it under four minutes.
Oh, you know.
Speaker 1 (49:40):
Yeah, roger Bannister , yeah, yeah, and I think about
to your point.
You know, if you're eatingreally healthy, nutritious foods
and you have enhanced bloodflow, you're going to get that
much more nutrient delivery toyour skin and to your organs.
It's going to nourish you fromthe inside out.
So everything falls into placeand when you start feeling
better, it's easier toincorporate the other things.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I just I don't know.
I think it's just like I don'twant to be in pain, I don't want
to spend a decade of my life indecline or unable to move.
I mean, there's just so much Iwant to see and so much I want
to do and I want you know, wantto be there for my son.
I just want, like I just wantI'm not afraid of dying by any
means Like I was having thisconversation last night with a
(50:22):
friend and it was just like likeI've had a great life, like if
I had, you know, peace out rightnow, like I would say I had a
good ride, I had a great ride,but there's still so much more I
want to see.
If I don't see it, okay, youknow, I'm not afraid of dying.
I'm more concerned about havinglike 10 or more years of not of
(50:45):
being alive but not being ableto experience life.
That's what I'm afraid of forthe most part, you know.
So it's like I'm just going todo everything I can.
I mean everything.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Yeah, and you are.
So I mean I love your strategythat you're not interfering or
interrupting your life toactually have a more expanded
life, and you are doing somecool things.
So can you share with everyone,before we close out here, what
you're doing on your YouTubechannel to give people some
tools?
And other places that they canfind you.
Speaker 2 (51:14):
Yeah, so I do have an Instagram at Julie Gibson Clark
on Instagram and then, which Ijust post shenanigans and all
kinds of fun things.
And then I have a YouTubechannel that I started which is
the Longevity Kitchen, and it'sjust about like cooking and how,
like I hope eventually I'mgoing to help people put
together.
Like here's how you puttogether a week.
(51:35):
You know it's like cause that'sa lot like people are like how
do you do a pound of vegetablesa day?
How do you even make sure yougot them in the fridge every
week?
Eventually we'll get to that,but we're right now just kind of
laying down some basics andlike teaching people, like some
fun recipes or I don't reallylike to think of recipe because
I feel like that is just againadds more stress.
So it's like we're gonna makesomething, we're gonna think
about the structure and how wemake it.
(51:56):
So just really trying to teachpeople how to cook.
Because I feel like one of themajor things we've done that's
aged us is we've outsourced ourfood to.
You know, I don't want to callany companies out, but you know
we've outsourced it and they'rethey're a business.
They they're going to use thelowest, you know the cheapest
stuff.
They're not, not everybody.
There's some good restaurantsout there, but you know, if
(52:18):
you're just always outsourcingthat it's, you're never going to
achieve pinnacle health,Whereas if you're sitting in
your kitchen, you know exactlywhat goes into your food, and so
I think we need to inspire, beinspired to get back into our
kitchen, and then we just needto get in there and start
working.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (52:34):
Start chopping your veggies.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
It'll be your meditation.
See, it's a win-win.
Meditate and chop veggies.
Speaker 1 (52:39):
Yes, you've helped me .
I mean, it doesn't feel likeit's add any stress to my life
at all and I'm really into itnow, so, and I'm in the moment
when I'm doing it, feeling allthe senses of my vegetables.
So thank you Everybody.
Check out Julie's Instagram andher longevity kitchen.
And more goodness to come,thank you.
Thank you.
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