March 26, 2025 • 34 mins
Tatyana Treistman’s journey from crafting skincare in Ukraine to becoming a facial expert is all about the connection between emotional well-being and beauty.
Her signature "manual facelift" technique works beneath the surface releasing tension from fascia and muscles (even through buccal massage) for a natural lift. Tatyana keeps skincare simple: cleanse, tone, apply targeted serums (vitamins A and C), and moisturize.
From hormonal acne to overall skin health, her holistic approach helps clients look and feel more connected to themselves.
Tune in to discover her secrets to glowing skin!
• ABOUT THE GUEST •
Connect with Tatyana Treistman, a licensed Clinical Aesthetician, Certified Laser Technician, and Certified Laser Safety Officer with a passion for customized skincare. Her background in cosmetology from Ukraine, where she crafted personalized products, shaped her commitment to tailored care.
Specializing in lifting, sculpting, and fascia release, Tatyana combines advanced techniques with a results-driven approach to help clients look and feel their best.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to Listen to your Skin by Moon Skin, the
podcast where science meetsnature to celebrate the story of
your skin.
Your skin is a living canvas,ever evolving, deeply personal
and uniquely yours.
Each week, we'll dive into thescience of healthy skin, share
empowering stories and uncovertransformative self-care rituals
.
We're here to help you embraceevery phase of your journey with
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confidence and care.
Hi everyone, welcome to thisweek's episode of Listen to your
Skin by Moon Skin, and I'm yourhost and board-certified
dermatologist, dr Jen Haley.
And this week on the show, Ihave an aesthetic skincare
expert joining us, tatianaTreisman Welcome.
She's a licensed clinicalesthetician, a certified laser
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technician and a certified lasersafety officer, with a deep
passion for customized skincaresolutions.
Her journey started in Ukraine,where she honed her craft by
creating personalized skincareproducts, and that dedication to
tailored care has been thefoundation of her career.
Tailored care has been thefoundation of her career.
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Tatiana is constantly exploringadvanced techniques in lifting,
sculpting and fascia release,always striving for the best
results for her clients.
For her, aesthetics isn't justa profession, it's a passion,
where client satisfaction andvisible transformations are the
ultimate rewards.
Tatiana, welcome to the show,thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, so you have a really,really unique background.
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Can you share how you gotstarted in the aesthetic
industry?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I started when I was in my late teens I think I was
19 in Ukraine, in Ukraine Backthen.
I hope things changed now, butwhen I was working I had to make
my own skin care creams,lotions, cleansing milks and all
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of it, because we did not havea bag bar.
There was nothing to buy, itwas all us making it every day,
actually every day.
I would bring to work jars, bigjars, and it would be empty by
the time I go home.
So I started and I worked acouple of years in Ukraine and I
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moved to United States.
San Francisco was my first stop.
I went to beauty school and Igraduated and then my life
turned a little bit differentway, for diversion.
For some time my daughter waswas young and I was divorcing my
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first husband.
So being an esthetician takes alittle bit time to start making
money, you know, get on yourfeet two years at least.
I didn't have two years.
So I had to do something veryum, something different.
And I was in Silicon Valley andthat time dot com boom was
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booming and I decided, okay, I'mgonna switch to this field for
now.
So I went into, I took someclasses and I went to software
development and I wascomfortable, very comfortable,
doing that, getting a nicepaycheck.
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My skincare was just me at thattime, still loved it.
I was still making some lotionsjust for my friends who had
making some lotions just for myfriends who had, you know, my
friend's husband.
He has irritation after he wasshaving, so I would make
something for him.
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Or my other friend's daughterhad acne, so I would make
something for her.
Was my little, you know, helpyou here, help you there.
And for me, I think you know,know, staying in touch with what
I love to do.
And, um, I was doing that until, um, well, I'm still in
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software and I decided I'm goingto do this because I love it
and that brings me, it brings mesatisfaction, because I guess
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when we work, you know when wedo something, and if it stops
fulfilling you inside, mycomputer journey is at that
point right now when I don'tfeel, I don't feel satisfaction.
It's, it's, it's boring, it'snot.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Uh, it's changed a lot too and I am not finding
myself, I'm not seeing myselfdoing this for longer it's so
interesting, as I'm watching youtalk about your journey right
when I hear you talk about howyou almost are an apothecary and
you're creating theseformulations that are so
personalized for friends, forfamily, for yourself.
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You have this like aura glowaround you right and I think
your journey is so beautifulbecause most of us in our lives,
we sometimes will have to dosomething that maybe isn't our
passion in order for our passionto grow.
And I also feel that whenyou're creating something from
scratch, like you have, there isthis understanding about, like
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the mechanism of how things work, rather than just grabbing
something off the shelf becausesomebody told you that it works
for A, b or C, can you like, howdo you even begin?
Like, how, how do you evenformulate these custom
formulations?
Like what's the what's themechanism of action or the
thought process behind the artof that, because I can clearly
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see you're super creative andartistic.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
the art of that because I can clearly see you're
super creative and artistic.
So I started with recipes,recipes that I bring with me
from Ukraine, yeah, and thenhere I can modify these recipes
depending on, first of all, Ihave resources here more than I
had there.
You know, we have Amazon and wehave internet and I would do
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research.
So I have a friend of mine.
She has these concerns, so Iwould look for what will help
better into my recipe, what canI add, what I can substitute,
how can I make it work so shegets better results, so it will
work better for her, what kindof actives I can use.
And I would start looking forwhere I can find it and I go for
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best ingredients that I can putmy hands on.
So, for example, my oils I wasgetting from Canada, from the
mountains, when the flowers aregrowing.
They were making oils from that.
So it's a very individual, it'svery thought process, but it
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starts from my recipes that Ibrought with me from Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's so beautiful.
I feel like the best secretscome from nature overall and
they are transferred down anddown to the generations, but
eventually we have to try tofind something that works for
most people, like idealistically, yes, creating a bespoke plan
for everyone is is the best.
So, as you're talking about theflowers from the mountains, I'm
thinking of hormesis.
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Do you do you about the flowersfrom the mountains?
I'm thinking of hormesis.
Do you do you know the hormeticeffect, like what doesn't kill
you makes you stronger.
So that's how microneedlingcomes into play, because we make
small little uh holes insomeone's skin and in response,
it forms thicker collagen, right, and too much trauma causes a
scar, right.
We don't want that.
And flowers that grow in harshenvironments, like the mountains
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, where there's a paucity ofnutrients and the weather is
hard, they have typically morebenefits, like Himalayan tartary
.
Buckwheat has, like a lot ofnutritional properties.
So it's really interesting thatyou've been able to find these
things.
So, when you're looking at aclient, okay, let's take a step
back.
If you're thinking about, likemost people's skin, someone
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who's in their thirties, fortiesand even fifties, like what's a
basic skincare regimen that youstart people on outside of your
office, and then I want to talkabout your special facials,
because you know, um I in mymind and um in my I guess
experience.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
What I know is sometimes, or most of the times,
less is more.
I don't like uh, honestly Idon't like when people have, or
somebody tells them you have,eight steps routine first.
First, nobody's going to do it,they're just not going to do it
because it takes time and it'stoo much.
It's too much for the skin.
So I always go for essentials,what our skin needs and our skin
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really needs essentials to stayhealthy, to be more resilient,
to fight free radicals.
So I would go for well cleanse.
Obviously it's a very big part.
You have to find the rightcleanser that will not strip the
oils, that will not make youdry something but will take
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makeup off so your skin is cleanand ready for the next step.
And then toner, which will workon your pH of the skin to prep
for the next step, and serum andcream Very easy.
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Everyone needs vitamin A,everyone needs vitamin C,
everyone needs antioxidants.
So these three things are theessentials, and I start everyone
on just basic, essential skincare.
And what's also very importantis consistency.
(10:19):
Do it every day, morning andnight, to see the results and
when skin is healthy.
When we get there, when we getto the healthy skin, then I can
start suggesting okay, now let'sdo exfoliation, let's add more
vitamin A or more vitamin C,let's introduce peptides slowly.
(10:45):
I think it's the saying youknow, when you walk slower, you
get farther, and I reallybelieve in that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
That is.
I resonate with that 100%.
I couldn't agree more with you.
Do you think there is anyonethat doesn't need toner or
shouldn't use toner?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I think, for example, hydrating toners, everyone can
use.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So it's more about finding the right toner.
Finding the right toner yes.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
For example, I have different toners in my studio
that I'm working with andsomebody who would, I suggest,
use this toner to combat theiracne.
I would not use it on someonewho is who wants to do some, you
know, anti-aging or yeah, so hehas different toners.
Some toners are exfoliatingtoners and that would I would
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use for a different clientele,but hydrating toners everyone
can use use, especially here inArizona.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We're so dry here.
Okay, so typical morningcleanse tone vitamin C hydration
.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, vitamin A, vitamin C.
I'm saying vitamin A.
I work with vitamin A.
It comes, as you know differentforms, you know different
concentrations, so start withsomething very light.
You can do it morning andsunscreen.
Sunscreen is the must at theend in the morning, yeah, okay.
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And what do you have peoplelook for with sunscreen?
Mostly not to have a white caston their skin, because nobody
wants to look like a ghost andthey're not going to use it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Let's be honest here like no one's going to use it if
they don't like the feel of it,the cosmetic elegance exactly
and, um you know, transparentthat gives the glow and
protection.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
protection is the biggest thing.
That's why we put it on toprotect our skin from um sun
rays and damage that damages ourDNA Right, and then we have to
repair it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay.
So how do you modify theirskincare routine at home from
their 30s into their 50s ashormones change?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, so as hormones change, it affects us on the
cellular level, right?
So it creates more oxidativestress.
Free radicals are living in usand we need to fix that.
So I would add antioxidants,more antioxidants, retinol, more
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vitamin A and antioxidants togive this missing.
So everything we breathe, weeat, breaks down into molecules
in our bodies, and when moleculeis missing, the electrons right
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, electrons has to be in pairs,so if one is missing, it creates
free radical.
So the antioxidants that we eat, you know we apply in our skin.
They're giving this extraelectrons to make a pair.
So antioxidants is a big, bigone that I like to include.
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Also for at home.
I educate my clients how theycan microneedle themselves
almost every night before theyput their serums on.
There are microneedling rollers.
It's not medical grademicroneedling.
It's very light, but it'sphysically opening the channels
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on your skin.
And when you put your skin careon serums, creams, toners,
everything gets into the skinwhere it should be.
So it opens the channels.
Otherwise, anything we put inour skin penetrates only four to
six percent, so very little.
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And as we get older, we needmore.
We need more antioxidants, weneed more vitamin a, because our
bodies cannot, um, not asstrong as when we're young to
deal with true radicals.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Right, okay.
So say, someone's in theirearly forties and they get that
hormonal kind of breakoutsaround the jaw and the chin and
they come to see you and they'rethe global ambassador seeing
you in your, in your office.
They say help, say help me,tatiana, I have a wedding this
weekend.
How do you approach that?
Or let's give you a coupleweeks for the wedding.
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You have a wedding in a coupleweeks.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's, it's challenging.
It's challenging.
I'd like to start prior.
Um, well, first of all, I wouldask her to can you please do
your labs and see what's goingon and get your hormones in in
order to see you know what?
What's happening?
I, I really like, I don't liketo put band-aids on.
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I like to go to the root causeand fix the root cause, whatever
it is teenager, uh, hormonal,you breakouts later in life.
But if that happens, I wouldbring down the inflammation.
I would try to bring down theinflammation.
So I talk about diet.
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Let's exclude sugar, chocolate,coffee, spicy food.
Let's get all this, maybe milk,maybe dairy if she has some
allergic reaction, or dairy isinflammatory food anyways.
Yeah, so anti-inflammatory foodfor sure, deep pore cleansing,
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cleansing for sure.
And antioxidants, colostrumantioxidants to bring
inflammation down, at least inthe meantime, before the wedding
.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
What would you do topically to reduce the
inflammation?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Colostrum serums, I would do.
Antioxidant gel LED helps.
I have in my possessionultrasound ultrasound with LED.
It brings down a lot ofinflammation.
Oxygen I have in my possessionultrasound ultrasound with LED.
It brings down a lot ofinflammation oxygen.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's amazing.
I have never used colostrumtopical in the skin.
So with that inflammatoryjaw-like acne, I've seen it for
over 20 years as a dermatologistand 99% of the time the labs
are completely clear.
Okay, like the labs are normal.
And it's really interestingbecause what I think is going on
is we have more receptors onthe skin.
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So while the levels might benormal, the catcher mitts on the
skin to the testosterone andthe androgens are higher.
So like, what are we doing inour environment to cause that
kind of wrong reaction, rightWith endocrine disruptors like
plastics and holding thereceipts in the phthalates and
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things like that?
So I always have people reallytake a look at what they're
doing in their lifestyle to yourpoint and avoiding the sugar
and the dairy I'm completely onpar with that.
And then sometimes I'll evenadd in some supplements, like a
spearmint tea Twice a day canhelp with that.
So can dim broccoli sprouts,sulfuric flame and saw palmetto
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sometimes, and also vitex.
So all of those things cansometimes help.
But, like you said, we reallyneed to have a full evaluation
to find the root cause.
But in the meantime it's niceto know that you could do some
things topically, like the LEDand the colostrum to help with
the inflammation.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yes, yes, and I use it all the time.
Also, I do have one supplementthat I suggest some of my
clients to use.
It works wonders Cystic acnegone.
So it works on the liver.
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It cleans your liver, but theside effect is your skin.
It clears the skin and I hadteenagers, my friends actually
these are my friends' sons whohad the worst hormonal acne,
with cysts on chest and on theback.
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You know everything that issweating, especially when
they're playing sports, and Idid the you know deep work
cleansing.
The pus was flying into the.
But I love it.
You know, if somebody says Ilove it, I'm like, yes, I got it
.
Yeah, I asked them if you canget the supplement.
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You know, go to your doctorbecause it's not
over-the-counter.
You have to have, I think, acontract with this company that
produces it and take it for acouple of months and it clears
everything from the inside.
The cyst will dissolve.
Do you know what's in thesupplement?
I don't remember, but it'snatural.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh, what's the name?
I bet it's from Fullscript.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't remember.
The name is Dermaco, derma C-O.
Okay, I bet it does liverdetoxification.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's something standard.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The name of the company is standard.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So basically it's focusing on liver detoxification
because, at the end of the day,if we get out of the way of our
body, our body can heal itself.
So we have to just make roomfor our body by minimizing the
amount of chemicals that come inand allow our body to naturally
do everything it wants to do.
Then we'll have clear skin.
Yes, yeah, okay.
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So tell me a little bit aboutyour facials.
Okay, they're very unique.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
My facials are unique .
I love holistic approach, forwhen my clients come to me they
say I want a facelift.
Oh, I can't cut your skin anddo a facelift.
I would be a plastic surgeon atthat point.
So I like holistic approach.
I work with fascia approach.
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I work with I've worked withfascia.
I work with muscles.
I work with bone as well.
So when I uh, for example, ifsomebody comes to me who doesn't
believe in botox or they don't,like you know, injections, they
want to stay away from it.
We start face down because ifyou think about it, fascia on
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your forehead starts from youreyebrows, goes all over your the
back of your body to your feet.
Yeah, that's one piece.
So if this piece and it getsdrier as we get older the
moisture is gone some it getsstuck to other layers in between
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.
So there's a myofascia, there'sa fascia, there's more
superficial layers.
It pulls, it pulls and that'show we create wrinkles on our
forehead.
So I start with the back, Irelease tension from the lower
back, I go all the way up, I goall the way on aponeurosis on
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top of the head, and then weturn face up.
My approach is different forjowls, for example.
I do buckle massage, I massageinside the mouth, I release
tension in masseters whichcreates lift in a second.
What I like to do, I do it onone side and I give my client a
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mirror.
Look at yourself and she seescompletely two different sides.
I do believe in natural approachand holistic way of bringing,
not back, the youth.
You know it's you, it's stillyou.
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Uh, you just release thetension in your muscles because
when we're kids wouldn't,wouldn't put tension in our
muscles right.
So and we are lifted and happyand we look differently.
And then we grow up and we getall these emotions that we store
in our bodies and theseemotions affect the way we look.
Face is an emotional part verymuch.
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We express our emotions in ourface and sometimes we don't, but
emotion is there and it sitsthere and it sits in our
masseters a lot, because youwant to scream, you know, you
want to raise your voice, butyou don't and it goes there.
So when I go in and release thetension in the muscles, this
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looks different.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, as soon as we're done, I want you to do me.
Yes, please, oh my gosh, okay.
So you know it's interesting.
I don't know why more peopledon't do this, because
everything you're saying makescomplete sense.
It makes complete, logical,amazing sense.
I always think of the skin asdraping us and what's going on
underneath.
I look at it as more as we getolder, we lose our bone, we lose
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our muscle, so it's reallyimportant to keep your bone mass
and your muscle mass.
They are a muscle, so it'sreally important to keep your
bone mass and your muscle mass.
You're also talking about thisphysiological action component
that maybe you're driving towork and you're making these
faces and they're stickingaround.
So get to the cause of thatthrough your technique.
Yes, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yes.
So it is different.
I do like when I can releasethe tension in my clients when
she comes.
When person comes to me,they're looking for something.
They come to me because theywant to look better.
They come to me because theywant to feel better and I'm
there to give it to them and Ilove it.
I love it because I know I cangive it to them and I know I can
elevate this person.
I know she's going to walk outand she's going to feel good and
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she's going to look good andshe's going to get this
confidence and this is my goal.
So I do start with, maybe,emotional release and we do some
breathing exercises.
Let's breathe deep, let's letit go, leave everything behind
this door.
We're here for you.
So just relax and enjoy, and somany times I've heard at the
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end this is what I needed.
Thank you so much.
And that is beyond um.
For me it's, it's the money, isjust the bonus at this point.
You know this is what I waslooking for and I'm so happy
that she got that, you know, andI was able to give it to her um
, so that's manual parts offacial with me and then I always
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finish, if there's nocontraindications with
microcurrent.
I'm a big believer inmicrocurrent.
Microcurrent for face is if youare taking your face to the gym
to lift some weights.
When we're lifting weightswe're also helping with bone
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density, so this is mimickingthe weight lifting.
So I would always go over withsome microcurrent to give this.
So I release the tension,everything is relaxed and
sculpted, and then microcurrentis just polishing on, like you
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know, polishing on top to to, togive it long longevity, longer
lasting results you know I lovelistening.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I want to reach over and like touch your leg you feel
so far from me, because asyou're talking, you know it's
coming to me that, at the end ofthe day, everyone wants to have
a deep sense of purpose andconnection with each other and
that's the most fulfilling thing.
And with the microcurrent,basically, you're stimulating
the muscles and the muscles sendout signals called myokines
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which strengthen the bones, andyou're doing that strategically.
Obviously, it can go wrong ifpeople don't do it right.
And as far as the other specialfacial, I don't know if you
have a name for it, and as faras the other special facial, I
don't know if you have a namefor it how many sessions does it
take and how often do you havepeople do it?
I imagine it just depends onthe situation.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yes, it depends on the person or personal.
We do sessions.
So if it's manual facelift,that I call it manual facelift,
that I call it manual facelift.
Eight to ten sessions once aweek and then once a month to
maintain results.
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And my facials are not.
I don't have a menu.
If I get new client, they wouldask me do you have a menu?
What do you do?
Well, I do everything.
It's not hard to make your skinglow.
Everybody can do that with aproduct.
You know right product, ofcourse, right product, good
product, and I use very goodproduct.
But you will get what you needtoday.
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So you came to me today withcertain concerns.
We're going to concentrate onthese concerns.
So your facial today is goingto be different from next time
and third time it may bedifferent because your skin
changed.
You want something else andwe're going to work on something
else this pigmentation, or it'sgoing to be microneedling,
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which is completely differentfacial right?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
well, that's how life is, though.
We eat different foods everyday, we do different exercises,
we connect differently withpeople, we're in different moods
, so why are we going to do thesame stagnant thing every single
time?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
it's not serving someone exactly, exactly, and my
facials are 90 minutes to twohours.
I take my time.
I want to make sure I giveeverything that my client needs
and everybody lives relaxed,lifted, sculpted, glowing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
That's the goal.
I love it so much because welove skincare.
I mean, skincare is the basics.
It's like you have to do yourskincare just like you brush
your teeth every day, and ithelps with the texture of your
skin, the tone of your skin,evening out your skin tone and
reducing fine lines and wrinkles.
What you're talking about issomething that I've always
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believed in.
There's like so much more to it.
There's many, many levels andmany layers of how we show up in
the world.
And then, after the skin toneand texture, now we're looking
at the structure underneath,like the scaffolding and the
support system of the bones andthe muscles, and how that makes
everything hang.
But, even more importantly thanthat, it's like releasing that
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emotional feeling more alignedwith yourself and authentic, and
showing up in the way thatwe're all meant to show up, and
that's like true beauty, right.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It is.
It's coming from the inside.
That's the glow that you cannotdo it with any product.
It just comes through the eyesand the posture.
I mean yes.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I think that's such a good way to end.
I just want to ask you is thereanything else that you want to
share, that you feel is pressingto share with the audience
today, that I haven't asked orwe haven't touched on?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I think that facials today are different facials and
it's not the same.
I don't know.
Puff, puff, puff puff.
It's completely different.
So if you have time and youwould like to feel something
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different, make an appointmentand try the facial.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, so you're saying that they're almost being
commoditized.
So just because it says facial,they're not all created equal.
So really find out what yourpractitioner, what your
esthetician, is doing for you,because there are many options
out there so you have to findthe right thing there are lots
of options out there for aproduct as well and for a
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consumer.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I cannot even imagine how complicated this field is.
Sometimes it's complicated forus because there's so much.
Yes, find a professional whoknows what they're doing and you
trust, and um, go, don't wait.
Some, some people wait.
Don't wait, just go, go, try itright and you'll be hooked it's
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a consistency that matters, yes, so how do people find you?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
and then, if they don't live in the Phoenix
Scottsdale area, is thereanywhere to find people that do
what you do?
Yes, start with you.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, they can contact me.
So I always learn something new, always.
I never stop and I travel, Itravel, I take classes in
different states.
Recently I took class in Russia.
I didn't travel to Russia, Idid it over the internet.
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It was three and a half monthsschool that I did.
Very interesting, superinteresting.
It was hard.
It was very hard with myschedule.
The lessons were hard.
I had to record every singlelesson on the video and send it
to them and I would get afeedback how I did, if I need to
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change something, if I havequestions, I can ask questions.
So when I take these classes,classes I meet people like me,
people like me from differentstates.
So we have this, you know,connection.
We I call us crazy people.
You know, we meet there, um,and we communicate.
(32:53):
So if, um, if I know someoneand I've sent lots of people to
my girls from different states,especially um at my work at a
hotel, because people come fromdifferent states and they're
looking for something like thatand I tell them yes, I know
someone I can send you to okay,but how do they find you?
(33:14):
um, or the mouth mostly no, no.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
How can the listeners find you?
Oh are you on social media?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
yes, I have Instagram account.
They can contact me through myInstagram, which is I need to
change my handle.
I think it's so long.
Tatiana, underscore Trismanunderscore.
Cosmetologist with K.
Maybe, if you're listening tothis podcast, maybe they'll put
something underneath like myyeah, my handle, because I don't
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know.
My phone number is 480-313-480.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So we can find you at the Global Ambassador.
Yes, in Phoenix.
Yes, and we will have yourinstagram handle, yes, show
notes and uh, yeah, I'm gonnaschedule with you next week,
please.
Thank you, tatiana I lovehaving you on.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me here.
This is my first podcast.
I hope I did good.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I don you have so many layers and we're going to
slowly unwrap the gift that youare on multiple episodes.
So you will be back, you'll seeher again.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
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confidence and care.
Hi everyone, welcome to thisweek's episode of Listen to your
Skin by Moon Skin, and I'm yourhost and board-certified
dermatologist, dr Jen Haley.
And this week on the show, Ihave an aesthetic skincare
expert joining us, tatianaTreisman Welcome.
She's a licensed clinicalesthetician, a certified laser
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technician and a certified lasersafety officer, with a deep
passion for customized skincaresolutions.
Her journey started in Ukraine,where she honed her craft by
creating personalized skincareproducts, and that dedication to
tailored care has been thefoundation of her career.
Tailored care has been thefoundation of her career.
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Tatiana is constantly exploringadvanced techniques in lifting,
sculpting and fascia release,always striving for the best
results for her clients.
For her, aesthetics isn't justa profession, it's a passion,
where client satisfaction andvisible transformations are the
ultimate rewards.
Tatiana, welcome to the show,thank you.
Thank you for having me.
Yeah, so you have a really,really unique background.
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Can you share how you gotstarted in the aesthetic
industry?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
I started when I was in my late teens I think I was
19 in Ukraine, in Ukraine Backthen.
I hope things changed now, butwhen I was working I had to make
my own skin care creams,lotions, cleansing milks and all
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of it, because we did not havea bag bar.
There was nothing to buy, itwas all us making it every day,
actually every day.
I would bring to work jars, bigjars, and it would be empty by
the time I go home.
So I started and I worked acouple of years in Ukraine and I
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moved to United States.
San Francisco was my first stop.
I went to beauty school and Igraduated and then my life
turned a little bit differentway, for diversion.
For some time my daughter waswas young and I was divorcing my
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first husband.
So being an esthetician takes alittle bit time to start making
money, you know, get on yourfeet two years at least.
I didn't have two years.
So I had to do something veryum, something different.
And I was in Silicon Valley andthat time dot com boom was
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booming and I decided, okay, I'mgonna switch to this field for
now.
So I went into, I took someclasses and I went to software
development and I wascomfortable, very comfortable,
doing that, getting a nicepaycheck.
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My skincare was just me at thattime, still loved it.
I was still making some lotionsjust for my friends who had
making some lotions just for myfriends who had, you know, my
friend's husband.
He has irritation after he wasshaving, so I would make
something for him.
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Or my other friend's daughterhad acne, so I would make
something for her.
Was my little, you know, helpyou here, help you there.
And for me, I think you know,know, staying in touch with what
I love to do.
And, um, I was doing that until, um, well, I'm still in
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software and I decided I'm goingto do this because I love it
and that brings me, it brings mesatisfaction, because I guess
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when we work, you know when wedo something, and if it stops
fulfilling you inside, mycomputer journey is at that
point right now when I don'tfeel, I don't feel satisfaction.
It's, it's, it's boring, it'snot.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Uh, it's changed a lot too and I am not finding
myself, I'm not seeing myselfdoing this for longer it's so
interesting, as I'm watching youtalk about your journey right
when I hear you talk about howyou almost are an apothecary and
you're creating theseformulations that are so
personalized for friends, forfamily, for yourself.
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You have this like aura glowaround you right and I think
your journey is so beautifulbecause most of us in our lives,
we sometimes will have to dosomething that maybe isn't our
passion in order for our passionto grow.
And I also feel that whenyou're creating something from
scratch, like you have, there isthis understanding about, like
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the mechanism of how things work, rather than just grabbing
something off the shelf becausesomebody told you that it works
for A, b or C, can you like, howdo you even begin?
Like, how, how do you evenformulate these custom
formulations?
Like what's the what's themechanism of action or the
thought process behind the artof that, because I can clearly
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see you're super creative andartistic.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
the art of that because I can clearly see you're
super creative and artistic.
So I started with recipes,recipes that I bring with me
from Ukraine, yeah, and thenhere I can modify these recipes
depending on, first of all, Ihave resources here more than I
had there.
You know, we have Amazon and wehave internet and I would do
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research.
So I have a friend of mine.
She has these concerns, so Iwould look for what will help
better into my recipe, what canI add, what I can substitute,
how can I make it work so shegets better results, so it will
work better for her, what kindof actives I can use.
And I would start looking forwhere I can find it and I go for
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best ingredients that I can putmy hands on.
So, for example, my oils I wasgetting from Canada, from the
mountains, when the flowers aregrowing.
They were making oils from that.
So it's a very individual, it'svery thought process, but it
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starts from my recipes that Ibrought with me from Ukraine.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
That's so beautiful.
I feel like the best secretscome from nature overall and
they are transferred down anddown to the generations, but
eventually we have to try tofind something that works for
most people, like idealistically, yes, creating a bespoke plan
for everyone is is the best.
So, as you're talking about theflowers from the mountains, I'm
thinking of hormesis.
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Do you do you about the flowersfrom the mountains?
I'm thinking of hormesis.
Do you do you know the hormeticeffect, like what doesn't kill
you makes you stronger.
So that's how microneedlingcomes into play, because we make
small little uh holes insomeone's skin and in response,
it forms thicker collagen, right, and too much trauma causes a
scar, right.
We don't want that.
And flowers that grow in harshenvironments, like the mountains
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, where there's a paucity ofnutrients and the weather is
hard, they have typically morebenefits, like Himalayan tartary
.
Buckwheat has, like a lot ofnutritional properties.
So it's really interesting thatyou've been able to find these
things.
So, when you're looking at aclient, okay, let's take a step
back.
If you're thinking about, likemost people's skin, someone
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who's in their thirties, fortiesand even fifties, like what's a
basic skincare regimen that youstart people on outside of your
office, and then I want to talkabout your special facials,
because you know, um I in mymind and um in my I guess
experience.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
What I know is sometimes, or most of the times,
less is more.
I don't like uh, honestly Idon't like when people have, or
somebody tells them you have,eight steps routine first.
First, nobody's going to do it,they're just not going to do it
because it takes time and it'stoo much.
It's too much for the skin.
So I always go for essentials,what our skin needs and our skin
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really needs essentials to stayhealthy, to be more resilient,
to fight free radicals.
So I would go for well cleanse.
Obviously it's a very big part.
You have to find the rightcleanser that will not strip the
oils, that will not make youdry something but will take
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makeup off so your skin is cleanand ready for the next step.
And then toner, which will workon your pH of the skin to prep
for the next step, and serum andcream Very easy.
(09:58):
Everyone needs vitamin A,everyone needs vitamin C,
everyone needs antioxidants.
So these three things are theessentials, and I start everyone
on just basic, essential skincare.
And what's also very importantis consistency.
(10:19):
Do it every day, morning andnight, to see the results and
when skin is healthy.
When we get there, when we getto the healthy skin, then I can
start suggesting okay, now let'sdo exfoliation, let's add more
vitamin A or more vitamin C,let's introduce peptides slowly.
(10:45):
I think it's the saying youknow, when you walk slower, you
get farther, and I reallybelieve in that.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
That is.
I resonate with that 100%.
I couldn't agree more with you.
Do you think there is anyonethat doesn't need toner or
shouldn't use toner?
Speaker 2 (11:04):
I think, for example, hydrating toners, everyone can
use.
Speaker 1 (11:09):
So it's more about finding the right toner.
Finding the right toner yes.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
For example, I have different toners in my studio
that I'm working with andsomebody who would, I suggest,
use this toner to combat theiracne.
I would not use it on someonewho is who wants to do some, you
know, anti-aging or yeah, so hehas different toners.
Some toners are exfoliatingtoners and that would I would
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use for a different clientele,but hydrating toners everyone
can use use, especially here inArizona.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
We're so dry here.
Okay, so typical morningcleanse tone vitamin C hydration
.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Yeah, vitamin A, vitamin C.
I'm saying vitamin A.
I work with vitamin A.
It comes, as you know differentforms, you know different
concentrations, so start withsomething very light.
You can do it morning andsunscreen.
Sunscreen is the must at theend in the morning, yeah, okay.
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And what do you have peoplelook for with sunscreen?
Mostly not to have a white caston their skin, because nobody
wants to look like a ghost andthey're not going to use it.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Let's be honest here like no one's going to use it if
they don't like the feel of it,the cosmetic elegance exactly
and, um you know, transparentthat gives the glow and
protection.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
protection is the biggest thing.
That's why we put it on toprotect our skin from um sun
rays and damage that damages ourDNA Right, and then we have to
repair it.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay.
So how do you modify theirskincare routine at home from
their 30s into their 50s ashormones change?
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Yeah, so as hormones change, it affects us on the
cellular level, right?
So it creates more oxidativestress.
Free radicals are living in usand we need to fix that.
So I would add antioxidants,more antioxidants, retinol, more
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vitamin A and antioxidants togive this missing.
So everything we breathe, weeat, breaks down into molecules
in our bodies, and when moleculeis missing, the electrons right
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, electrons has to be in pairs,so if one is missing, it creates
free radical.
So the antioxidants that we eat, you know we apply in our skin.
They're giving this extraelectrons to make a pair.
So antioxidants is a big, bigone that I like to include.
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Also for at home.
I educate my clients how theycan microneedle themselves
almost every night before theyput their serums on.
There are microneedling rollers.
It's not medical grademicroneedling.
It's very light, but it'sphysically opening the channels
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on your skin.
And when you put your skin careon serums, creams, toners,
everything gets into the skinwhere it should be.
So it opens the channels.
Otherwise, anything we put inour skin penetrates only four to
six percent, so very little.
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And as we get older, we needmore.
We need more antioxidants, weneed more vitamin a, because our
bodies cannot, um, not asstrong as when we're young to
deal with true radicals.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Right, okay.
So say, someone's in theirearly forties and they get that
hormonal kind of breakoutsaround the jaw and the chin and
they come to see you and they'rethe global ambassador seeing
you in your, in your office.
They say help, say help me,tatiana, I have a wedding this
weekend.
How do you approach that?
Or let's give you a coupleweeks for the wedding.
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You have a wedding in a coupleweeks.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
It's, it's challenging.
It's challenging.
I'd like to start prior.
Um, well, first of all, I wouldask her to can you please do
your labs and see what's goingon and get your hormones in in
order to see you know what?
What's happening?
I, I really like, I don't liketo put band-aids on.
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I like to go to the root causeand fix the root cause, whatever
it is teenager, uh, hormonal,you breakouts later in life.
But if that happens, I wouldbring down the inflammation.
I would try to bring down theinflammation.
So I talk about diet.
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Let's exclude sugar, chocolate,coffee, spicy food.
Let's get all this, maybe milk,maybe dairy if she has some
allergic reaction, or dairy isinflammatory food anyways.
Yeah, so anti-inflammatory foodfor sure, deep pore cleansing,
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cleansing for sure.
And antioxidants, colostrumantioxidants to bring
inflammation down, at least inthe meantime, before the wedding
.
Speaker 1 (16:45):
What would you do topically to reduce the
inflammation?
Speaker 2 (16:47):
Colostrum serums, I would do.
Antioxidant gel LED helps.
I have in my possessionultrasound ultrasound with LED.
It brings down a lot ofinflammation.
Oxygen I have in my possessionultrasound ultrasound with LED.
It brings down a lot ofinflammation oxygen.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
That's amazing.
I have never used colostrumtopical in the skin.
So with that inflammatoryjaw-like acne, I've seen it for
over 20 years as a dermatologistand 99% of the time the labs
are completely clear.
Okay, like the labs are normal.
And it's really interestingbecause what I think is going on
is we have more receptors onthe skin.
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So while the levels might benormal, the catcher mitts on the
skin to the testosterone andthe androgens are higher.
So like, what are we doing inour environment to cause that
kind of wrong reaction, rightWith endocrine disruptors like
plastics and holding thereceipts in the phthalates and
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things like that?
So I always have people reallytake a look at what they're
doing in their lifestyle to yourpoint and avoiding the sugar
and the dairy I'm completely onpar with that.
And then sometimes I'll evenadd in some supplements, like a
spearmint tea Twice a day canhelp with that.
So can dim broccoli sprouts,sulfuric flame and saw palmetto
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sometimes, and also vitex.
So all of those things cansometimes help.
But, like you said, we reallyneed to have a full evaluation
to find the root cause.
But in the meantime it's niceto know that you could do some
things topically, like the LEDand the colostrum to help with
the inflammation.
Speaker 2 (18:32):
Yes, yes, and I use it all the time.
Also, I do have one supplementthat I suggest some of my
clients to use.
It works wonders Cystic acnegone.
So it works on the liver.
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It cleans your liver, but theside effect is your skin.
It clears the skin and I hadteenagers, my friends actually
these are my friends' sons whohad the worst hormonal acne,
with cysts on chest and on theback.
(19:17):
You know everything that issweating, especially when
they're playing sports, and Idid the you know deep work
cleansing.
The pus was flying into the.
But I love it.
You know, if somebody says Ilove it, I'm like, yes, I got it
.
Yeah, I asked them if you canget the supplement.
(19:39):
You know, go to your doctorbecause it's not
over-the-counter.
You have to have, I think, acontract with this company that
produces it and take it for acouple of months and it clears
everything from the inside.
The cyst will dissolve.
Do you know what's in thesupplement?
I don't remember, but it'snatural.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh, what's the name?
I bet it's from Fullscript.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I don't remember.
The name is Dermaco, derma C-O.
Okay, I bet it does liverdetoxification.
Speaker 1 (20:11):
It's something standard.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
The name of the company is standard.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
So basically it's focusing on liver detoxification
because, at the end of the day,if we get out of the way of our
body, our body can heal itself.
So we have to just make roomfor our body by minimizing the
amount of chemicals that come inand allow our body to naturally
do everything it wants to do.
Then we'll have clear skin.
Yes, yeah, okay.
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So tell me a little bit aboutyour facials.
Okay, they're very unique.
Speaker 2 (20:40):
My facials are unique .
I love holistic approach, forwhen my clients come to me they
say I want a facelift.
Oh, I can't cut your skin anddo a facelift.
I would be a plastic surgeon atthat point.
So I like holistic approach.
I work with fascia approach.
(21:01):
I work with I've worked withfascia.
I work with muscles.
I work with bone as well.
So when I uh, for example, ifsomebody comes to me who doesn't
believe in botox or they don't,like you know, injections, they
want to stay away from it.
We start face down because ifyou think about it, fascia on
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your forehead starts from youreyebrows, goes all over your the
back of your body to your feet.
Yeah, that's one piece.
So if this piece and it getsdrier as we get older the
moisture is gone some it getsstuck to other layers in between
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.
So there's a myofascia, there'sa fascia, there's more
superficial layers.
It pulls, it pulls and that'show we create wrinkles on our
forehead.
So I start with the back, Irelease tension from the lower
back, I go all the way up, I goall the way on aponeurosis on
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top of the head, and then weturn face up.
My approach is different forjowls, for example.
I do buckle massage, I massageinside the mouth, I release
tension in masseters whichcreates lift in a second.
What I like to do, I do it onone side and I give my client a
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mirror.
Look at yourself and she seescompletely two different sides.
I do believe in natural approachand holistic way of bringing,
not back, the youth.
You know it's you, it's stillyou.
(22:58):
Uh, you just release thetension in your muscles because
when we're kids wouldn't,wouldn't put tension in our
muscles right.
So and we are lifted and happyand we look differently.
And then we grow up and we getall these emotions that we store
in our bodies and theseemotions affect the way we look.
Face is an emotional part verymuch.
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We express our emotions in ourface and sometimes we don't, but
emotion is there and it sitsthere and it sits in our
masseters a lot, because youwant to scream, you know, you
want to raise your voice, butyou don't and it goes there.
So when I go in and release thetension in the muscles, this
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looks different.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, as soon as we're done, I want you to do me.
Yes, please, oh my gosh, okay.
So you know it's interesting.
I don't know why more peopledon't do this, because
everything you're saying makescomplete sense.
It makes complete, logical,amazing sense.
I always think of the skin asdraping us and what's going on
underneath.
I look at it as more as we getolder, we lose our bone, we lose
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our muscle, so it's reallyimportant to keep your bone mass
and your muscle mass.
They are a muscle, so it'sreally important to keep your
bone mass and your muscle mass.
You're also talking about thisphysiological action component
that maybe you're driving towork and you're making these
faces and they're stickingaround.
So get to the cause of thatthrough your technique.
Yes, it's amazing.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
Yes.
So it is different.
I do like when I can releasethe tension in my clients when
she comes.
When person comes to me,they're looking for something.
They come to me because theywant to look better.
They come to me because theywant to feel better and I'm
there to give it to them and Ilove it.
I love it because I know I cangive it to them and I know I can
elevate this person.
I know she's going to walk outand she's going to feel good and
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she's going to look good andshe's going to get this
confidence and this is my goal.
So I do start with, maybe,emotional release and we do some
breathing exercises.
Let's breathe deep, let's letit go, leave everything behind
this door.
We're here for you.
So just relax and enjoy, and somany times I've heard at the
(25:30):
end this is what I needed.
Thank you so much.
And that is beyond um.
For me it's, it's the money, isjust the bonus at this point.
You know this is what I waslooking for and I'm so happy
that she got that, you know, andI was able to give it to her um
, so that's manual parts offacial with me and then I always
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finish, if there's nocontraindications with
microcurrent.
I'm a big believer inmicrocurrent.
Microcurrent for face is if youare taking your face to the gym
to lift some weights.
When we're lifting weightswe're also helping with bone
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density, so this is mimickingthe weight lifting.
So I would always go over withsome microcurrent to give this.
So I release the tension,everything is relaxed and
sculpted, and then microcurrentis just polishing on, like you
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know, polishing on top to to, togive it long longevity, longer
lasting results you know I lovelistening.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
I want to reach over and like touch your leg you feel
so far from me, because asyou're talking, you know it's
coming to me that, at the end ofthe day, everyone wants to have
a deep sense of purpose andconnection with each other and
that's the most fulfilling thing.
And with the microcurrent,basically, you're stimulating
the muscles and the muscles sendout signals called myokines
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which strengthen the bones, andyou're doing that strategically.
Obviously, it can go wrong ifpeople don't do it right.
And as far as the other specialfacial, I don't know if you
have a name for it, and as faras the other special facial, I
don't know if you have a namefor it how many sessions does it
take and how often do you havepeople do it?
I imagine it just depends onthe situation.
Speaker 2 (27:26):
Yes, it depends on the person or personal.
We do sessions.
So if it's manual facelift,that I call it manual facelift,
that I call it manual facelift.
Eight to ten sessions once aweek and then once a month to
maintain results.
(27:47):
And my facials are not.
I don't have a menu.
If I get new client, they wouldask me do you have a menu?
What do you do?
Well, I do everything.
It's not hard to make your skinglow.
Everybody can do that with aproduct.
You know right product, ofcourse, right product, good
product, and I use very goodproduct.
But you will get what you needtoday.
(28:08):
So you came to me today withcertain concerns.
We're going to concentrate onthese concerns.
So your facial today is goingto be different from next time
and third time it may bedifferent because your skin
changed.
You want something else andwe're going to work on something
else this pigmentation, or it'sgoing to be microneedling,
(28:29):
which is completely differentfacial right?
Speaker 1 (28:32):
well, that's how life is, though.
We eat different foods everyday, we do different exercises,
we connect differently withpeople, we're in different moods
, so why are we going to do thesame stagnant thing every single
time?
Speaker 2 (28:42):
it's not serving someone exactly, exactly, and my
facials are 90 minutes to twohours.
I take my time.
I want to make sure I giveeverything that my client needs
and everybody lives relaxed,lifted, sculpted, glowing.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
That's the goal.
I love it so much because welove skincare.
I mean, skincare is the basics.
It's like you have to do yourskincare just like you brush
your teeth every day, and ithelps with the texture of your
skin, the tone of your skin,evening out your skin tone and
reducing fine lines and wrinkles.
What you're talking about issomething that I've always
(29:23):
believed in.
There's like so much more to it.
There's many, many levels andmany layers of how we show up in
the world.
And then, after the skin toneand texture, now we're looking
at the structure underneath,like the scaffolding and the
support system of the bones andthe muscles, and how that makes
everything hang.
But, even more importantly thanthat, it's like releasing that
(29:45):
emotional feeling more alignedwith yourself and authentic, and
showing up in the way thatwe're all meant to show up, and
that's like true beauty, right.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
It is.
It's coming from the inside.
That's the glow that you cannotdo it with any product.
It just comes through the eyesand the posture.
I mean yes.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
I think that's such a good way to end.
I just want to ask you is thereanything else that you want to
share, that you feel is pressingto share with the audience
today, that I haven't asked orwe haven't touched on?
Speaker 2 (30:22):
I think that facials today are different facials and
it's not the same.
I don't know.
Puff, puff, puff puff.
It's completely different.
So if you have time and youwould like to feel something
(30:44):
different, make an appointmentand try the facial.
Speaker 1 (30:47):
Yeah, so you're saying that they're almost being
commoditized.
So just because it says facial,they're not all created equal.
So really find out what yourpractitioner, what your
esthetician, is doing for you,because there are many options
out there so you have to findthe right thing there are lots
of options out there for aproduct as well and for a
(31:09):
consumer.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
I cannot even imagine how complicated this field is.
Sometimes it's complicated forus because there's so much.
Yes, find a professional whoknows what they're doing and you
trust, and um, go, don't wait.
Some, some people wait.
Don't wait, just go, go, try itright and you'll be hooked it's
(31:33):
a consistency that matters, yes, so how do people find you?
Speaker 1 (31:37):
and then, if they don't live in the Phoenix
Scottsdale area, is thereanywhere to find people that do
what you do?
Yes, start with you.
Speaker 2 (31:48):
Yes, they can contact me.
So I always learn something new, always.
I never stop and I travel, Itravel, I take classes in
different states.
Recently I took class in Russia.
I didn't travel to Russia, Idid it over the internet.
(32:09):
It was three and a half monthsschool that I did.
Very interesting, superinteresting.
It was hard.
It was very hard with myschedule.
The lessons were hard.
I had to record every singlelesson on the video and send it
to them and I would get afeedback how I did, if I need to
(32:33):
change something, if I havequestions, I can ask questions.
So when I take these classes,classes I meet people like me,
people like me from differentstates.
So we have this, you know,connection.
We I call us crazy people.
You know, we meet there, um,and we communicate.
(32:53):
So if, um, if I know someoneand I've sent lots of people to
my girls from different states,especially um at my work at a
hotel, because people come fromdifferent states and they're
looking for something like thatand I tell them yes, I know
someone I can send you to okay,but how do they find you?
(33:14):
um, or the mouth mostly no, no.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
How can the listeners find you?
Oh are you on social media?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
yes, I have Instagram account.
They can contact me through myInstagram, which is I need to
change my handle.
I think it's so long.
Tatiana, underscore Trismanunderscore.
Cosmetologist with K.
Maybe, if you're listening tothis podcast, maybe they'll put
something underneath like myyeah, my handle, because I don't
(33:48):
know.
My phone number is 480-313-480.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
So we can find you at the Global Ambassador.
Yes, in Phoenix.
Yes, and we will have yourinstagram handle, yes, show
notes and uh, yeah, I'm gonnaschedule with you next week,
please.
Thank you, tatiana I lovehaving you on.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Thank you, thank you so much for having me here.
This is my first podcast.
I hope I did good.
Speaker 1 (34:17):
I don you have so many layers and we're going to
slowly unwrap the gift that youare on multiple episodes.
So you will be back, you'll seeher again.
Okay.
Speaker 2 (34:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Thank you for joining us on Listen to your Skin by
Moon Skin.
It's an honor to be part ofyour skincare journey and if you
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