December 19, 2024 • 27 mins
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Knowing the science is important but implementing it is where the magic happens. Unlock the secrets to transforming your health by bridging the gap between evidence and action with insights from health coach Sean McDevitt.
Sean is a Health and Life Coach, Author of Hack Your Health, and Co-Founder of DLDNation which has helped over 5,000 individuals get fit sustainably.
In this episode, we'll discover how to turn knowledge into practice as we explore the key to setting and achieving manageable health goals. Sean brings his expertise to the table, offering strategies to overcome common barriers, while emphasizing the crucial 'why' behind health advice.
Together, we tackle the all-or-nothing mindset and highlight the power of self-compassion, drawing inspiration from Kobe Bryant's philosophy of focusing on the journey rather than just the destination.
We also explore how fitness can serve as a gateway to a more comprehensive wellness journey. Sean shares how clients often start with fitness and expand into other health domains like nutrition, sleep, and stress management.
We'll also learn the importance of experimenting with various wellness practices and the role of education and support in fostering lasting change.
By establishing baselines and conducting regular self-assessments, you'll be empowered to recognize patterns, make informed adjustments, and ultimately achieve a holistic approach to a healthier, more fulfilling life.
Time Stamps:
(2:30) First Interview On The Show
(3:20) Sean’s Background
(6:35) Avoiding Overwhelm
(7:20) Guiding Clients Through Roadblocks and The All Or Nothing Mindset
(10:50) Good vs Bad New Years Resolutions
(12:25) Being Processed Oriented
(14:05) Pushing Through Being Tired or Prioritize Sleep?
(19:30) Stress Relief Tactics
(20:56) Tracking Client Progress
(23:47) Sean’s Favorite Quotes
(26:14) Where To Find Sean
(27:00) Let Me Know If You Enjoyed This Episode
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
If I missed a workout , then why track my macros?
Why care about my hydration?
Why try to get good sleepBecause it doesn't matter anyway
, when that's not the truth whatI try to show my clients and
for your listeners as well thereare multiple ways to win quote,
unquote when working towardsoptimal health.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi, I'm Dr Bobby Du Bois and welcome.
To Live Long and Well, apodcast where we will talk about
what you can do to live as longas possible and with as much
energy and vigor that you wish.
Together, we will explore whatpractical and evidence-supported
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steps you can take.
Come join me on this veryimportant journey and I hope
that you feel empowered alongthe way.
I'm a physician, ironman,triathlete and have published
several hundred scientificstudies.
I'm honored to be your guide.
Welcome everyone to episode 25,from Evidence to Action, a
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dialogue with health coach SeanMcDevitt.
Now, as folks know, my episodesfocus on what the evidence tells
us about how we can live longand well.
As examples you know, studiesshow that exercise reduces heart
disease and overall mortality,and sauna can reduce our risk of
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dementia, and sleep impacts ourgeneral well-being.
Well, what the studies show isstep one, ah, but step two is
the all-important one.
The challenge is to implementwhat the studies show in our
daily lives.
Now we've talked about healthtype and how your type affects
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where health fits in your life,how you approach health
decisions, how you mightstruggle with certain things and
how you might respond when ahealth trigger occurs.
Now, if you haven't taken thehealth quiz yet please do so.
Just go todrbobbylivelongandwellcom.
Also, if you have an interestin working directly with me,
(02:20):
head to my website.
Let me know what you need.
Well, today I want to dosomething different.
This is the first episode I'veever done where I'm going to
have an interview somebody elseto join us in this dialogue, and
we're going to talk about thatbridge, the all-important bridge
between what evidence tells usand actually doing it.
(02:45):
So I want to welcome andintroduce Sean McDevitt, a
fitness and life coach.
Now his world lives in betweenwhat we know should help us and
encouraging and supportingindividuals to make those
changes in their life.
So a perfect person to have adialogue around this.
(03:06):
Now.
Sean has served thousands aspart of an online fitness and
nutrition coaching company heowns with his wife, called DLD
Nation.
In addition to being a fitnessand a nutrition coach, sean is a
certified life coach, nearing athousand hours of experience.
Sean was a D1 athlete at theUniversity of Georgia, holds an
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MBA from the University ofOregon and is the author of the
bestselling book Hack yourHealth.
Sean's coached thousands ofindividuals and learned,
importantly, what does and whatdoesn't work.
So welcome, sean, to Live Longand Well.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Thank you so much, bobby.
I really appreciate being hereand I'm honored to be your very
first guest on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And we're going to have a lot of fun, which is the
most important thing.
Now, what I thought we would dofor our audience is sort of do
a point-counterpoint, talk alittle bit about evidence, but
then quickly turn towards how dowe get people to follow the
guidance that sometimes is clearnow, sometimes it's not so
clear.
So we know that exercise helpsus live long and well and, as
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we've talked about in priorepisodes, there are really four
key components of exercisethere's the aerobic part,
there's the strength part,there's balance and flexibility
and then there's high intensitywork.
So the evidence is pretty clearthat it reduces heart attacks,
reduces mortality, reduces therisk of cognitive decline.
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But when the rubber meets theroad, how do you, Sean, work
with clients to actually make ithappen?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
First off, I just want to reinforce what you said,
Bobby.
All of those four modalitiesplay a role in our overall
health, and I was a historymajor at the University of
Georgia and going back intoevolutionary biology, surprise,
surprise, it's how we used touse our bodies Before we had
smartphones and devices anddistractions sitting in cars and
at tables, we actually used ourbodies in the ways, the four
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ways that you mentioned, and sofor me, it's one providing that
education for my clients.
That's something that my wifeand I pride ourselves on with
our company is focusing on thewhy, right?
Because sometimes, if one has acoach and they're told to do
something, they're just sittingthere shrugging, wondering, well
, why am I actually doing this?
And we want to put some moreeducation behind it and I know
that's a big part of what you doas well, for how we help our
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clients have the rubber meet theroad, which I think is a great
way to put it, is, first off,show them what's possible, and
the example I use would be ifsomebody wanted to be an
attorney, they might want to goto Harvard Law School, because
Harvard Law School fields a lotof great legal departments.
Same thing with medical right.
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They go to Stanford if theywant to be a doctor, or if they
want to play professionalfootball, they might be going to
Georgia or Ohio State andsimilar.
And so what I'm grateful to saywith what my wife and I do is we
have literally, like you said,thousands of examples of clients
seeing success not only in theaesthetics and the before and
afters of their photos and theirtransformations physically, but
also looking under the hood andgetting those labs that show
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that there's changes incholesterol, show that there's
changes in these other factorsthat go into overall health.
And so that's the first part isshowing them what's possible,
because there is a lot of doubtin the fitness industry of can I
see the same success as theperson that I'm seeing on
Instagram, as the person thatI'm seeing on Facebook or the
friends that talk about it?
The next part is we break itdown into consumable chunks,
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because when we look at themacro, sometimes that can be
overwhelming.
Right, we get overwhelmed witheverything that we have to do,
versus breaking it down intookay, what goes into the high
intensity training, what doesthat look like?
And so that first part isshowing our clients what's
possible and then breaking itdown to consumable chunks and
then, like you said, bobby,guiding them along the way.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, so it sounds like a great formula.
Here's the vision of what itcan be for you.
Here are bite-sized chunks andI'm going to guide you along the
way.
Sounds good Till the firstroadblock.
So maybe walk us through someof the common challenges that
you run across and how you guidepeople through it.
(07:22):
Oh, sean, I'm too busy.
You know, I got three kids athome, I got a busy career, et
cetera, et cetera.
Or you know, whatever it elsethat is, that kind of gets in
the way of what those threeguideposts are for you.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
That's a great question and the overarching
answer would be people typicallyfall prey to the all or nothing
mindset and I know that thatwas my main hurdle, or speed
bump as well that if I missed aworkout, then why track my
macros, why care about myhydration, why try to get good
sleep Because it doesn't matteranyway, when that's not the
truth.
What I try to show my clientsand for your listeners as well,
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there are multiple ways to win,quote unquote, when working
towards optimal health, and so,in that example, if we miss a
workout, we can still takeadvantage of our nutrition, we
can still make sure we hit our10,000 steps, we can still get
our good sleep, we can stillhave a mindfulness practice,
because that all plays a role.
What bleeds out of that all ornothing mindset is people have a
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tendency of beating ourselvesup, and that's the negativity
bias that our brains have right,where we immediately go to the
negative.
Thousands of years ago,evolutionary biology that made
sense, right, because we had toworry about the lions and tigers
and bears oh my, outside thecave in which we lived.
Fast forward to 2024,.
Our brains have not upgradedthe software and so it still
thinks it's in this fight orflight scenario and has to think
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negatively.
And so that's what I've noticedtraining thousands of clients
is that when they make a misstepthey fall prey to that all or
nothing mindset and then theystart beating themselves up.
And so to your point earlier ofhey Sean, this sounds great,
you know consumable chunks andyou're going to guide me, but
now I hit a road bump.
It's recognizing for my clientswhat that road bump is and
showing them how they can getaround it with still being kind
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to themselves.
And what I really like workingwith my clients on and you kind
of alluded to this with thearchetypical busy parent who has
three kids I'm working a job, Idon't have a lot of time To me
and please forgive the sportsanalogies that's playing with
what the defense is giving me.
So I love when a client sayshey, sean, I'm so busy, I have
all these things going on.
How do I even approach this?
(09:32):
There isn't an all or nothingmindset to that client.
What I mean by that is if aclient has 30 minutes and I was
just talking to a client aboutthis literally before our
podcast if a if a client has,hey, how much time do you have,
client, I have 30 minutes to getin the gym Awesome, let's work
with those 30 minutes.
I will customize a workout thatworks for you.
Whatever you get done, you getdone.
I just want you maintainingthat routine, maintaining that
habit, maintaining that habit.
They may ask how do I stick tomy nutrition because I have the
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cakes and cookies and candies inthe office kitchen?
Well, let's meal prep.
How do we do that?
Help guide them through that.
If they're making just a fewmeals a week, that's going to be
a huge impact, statisticallyspeaking, on what they're eating
overall.
And so for me and yes, I wrotea book called Hack your Health
it's finding those hacks.
It's finding those cheat codesto make everything that goes
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with health actually executable.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Makes perfect sense, all right.
So it's that time of year.
Very soon we're going to startthinking about New Year's
resolutions and I'm actuallygoing to do a whole podcast
about a different way toapproach it.
But I wanted to get a sensefrom you In your experience
coaching people.
January 1st comes around.
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They've gained weight duringthe holidays, they drank too
much, slept too little and theyknow they got to do something.
So they have all thesewonderful visions for the new
year.
What are good New Year'sresolutions and what ones are
kind of likely to fail.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm going to break rapport with your audience.
The goals of I'm going to loseX number of pounds is going to
fail.
It's because it's too macro.
The person and I wouldencourage all of your listeners
to start now and not wait untilthe first of the year.
That's also going to give thema little bit of a leg up on
everybody else who waited.
But that overarching goal of Iwant to get fit, I want to lose
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10 pounds, I want to lose 20pounds, that's going to fail in
my opinion, in my experience,because there is no how, versus
that person who says I want tocommit to at least three days in
the gym, I want to commit totracking my macros, I want to
commit to getting a cold plunge,trying this out for a few days
a week and seeing how thatimpacts my life.
When we have those tangiblegoals that there's actually
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steps to, then all of a suddenwe actually see success, versus
being overwhelmed by this biggoal that doesn't have an
approach or a path to success.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So are you saying that, rather than focus on the
goal as an end point?
Lose this number of pounds.
My body fat will look like thisI'll get so much amount of
sleep that, in fact, you'refocused on the process, which is
get to the gym twice a week.
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I don't care what you do, it'sbetter than zero times a week.
Do you give it more of aprocess focus?
Is that more sustainable andsuccessful?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's what all of the successful people before us have
talked about.
In any discipline, it's thejourney.
I'm a huge Kobe Bryant fan.
I know we can speak to thisbecause you and I used to live
in Los Angeles and he has agreat speech to his daughters
when his Jersey is being retiredand at the end of that I would
encourage anyone to check it out, especially those of us who are
parents.
He talks about, he looks to hisgirls in front of everybody at
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what was then Staples Center andhe points to the banners and he
says those weren't really thegoal.
The Jersey is hanging mine twoof them that are hanging.
That's not really the goal.
The goal is coming in andtraining when you don't feel
like it, finding out how much ofa reservoir of energy you
actually have when you're tired,committing to the people around
you, your family, yourcommunity.
And it's that journey to yourpoint, bobby, that speaks to
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those individual pieces, thatthen gets you to the goal.
Right, there's a great quoteand I might be butchering it,
but the person who enjoyswalking is going to go farther
than the person who's focused onthe destination, and it's the
same thing in our life andhealth.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, we're in another minute or two we're
going to move beyond fitness tothe broader aspects of health
and wellness.
But when you were chatting, Ihad this sort of question that
popped into my head that peoplehave asked me and I have my
standard answer, but I want tohear what yours is.
This, obviously, we hadn'ttalked about before, so this
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will be completely spontaneous.
So one of your clients comes toyou and says oh my God, I got
almost.
You know it's 11 o'clock, 12o'clock at night.
I it's time for me to go to bedand I'm supposed to get up.
It's I was supposed to get upat six in the morning to get to
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the gym, but if I do that I'mnot going to get very much sleep
.
So which is it better to get abetter night's sleep or say,
forget the sleep, I'm getting tothe gym?
What do you guide them to do?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
That's a great question.
I would love to hear youranswer as well.
So my overall answer would benuanced.
The umbrella answer would beget your sleep, because you
can't make up the sleep, mostlikely, but you can probably
make up the workout.
You might even be able to makeup the workout at your lunch
period.
You might be able to make upthe workout after work or you
can shift it to another day.
(14:37):
I had a client recently who wasactually under the weather and
she did just that.
She was like, I think, on thisMonday.
Sean, it would behoove me toget more sleep to recover and
she moved her workout.
She might have to do twoworkouts in a row or whatever,
and mess with her schedule alittle bit, but it's possible.
The nuanced approach I mightsay is is there a way to do both
?
Is there a way to cut yourworkout to, like I said, maybe
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30 minutes versus the 60 or 90,get more sleep and still try to
do both?
However, if one was asking mefor a black and white answer, it
would be to get sleep and youcan make up the workout later.
I'd be curious.
Your answer.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I have the exact same answer and studies really have
looked at this issue of whathappens if you lose sleep on a
night or two or three, and thenyou quote make it up on the
weekends, which is a very commonscenario on a whole host of
measures, whether it's memoryissues or learning new skills.
You cannot make up sleep.
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During sleep, you're flushingout toxins, you're doing various
things.
You cannot undo it.
So extra sleep on the weekenddoesn't undo it.
On the other hand, as you say,you can do an extra workout, you
can work a little bit longer.
So, given a choice between yourexercise and your sleep, I
think we're both in agreementGet your sleep, we'll get the
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fitness stuff back on trackanother day.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I just want to add something quickly to that.
To that point, bobby, we have acheck-in template for our
clients and we look at theaverages.
So, for instance, with workingto get 10K steps, it's the
average right.
Or to our hydration it's theaverage.
What I typically say to clients.
Let's say one day they get 15Ksteps, hey, don't worry about
the next day, you don't have toget 10K, you can be a little bit
lower if you need to recover,because we're working on the
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average.
When it comes to sleep, myrefrain is typically that's okay
in steps, that might be okay inhydration, but for sleep I want
that to be consistent every dayas closely as possible.
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Completely agree.
As my listeners know, my pillarnumber one of the six pillars
is fitness and exercise, butthere are five other pillars and
I now want to switch gears andbegin to talk about not just
fitness coaching but the broaderhealth coaching that you do and
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you're transitioningincreasingly towards.
You mentioned to me thatfitness is almost the gateway
drug.
If you can get people to beginthe excitement around being more
fit, they naturally want topursue some of these other
things.
And those other things, aswe've talked about so far, is
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sleep, but also nutrition,mind-body harmony, exposure to
heat and cold, eaten cold andsocial relationships.
So when you have clients thatsay you know, sean, I'm ready to
, to expand my understanding ofhealth and wellness and go
beyond exercise, can you guideme in that regard?
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Well, what triggers thattransition?
What is it?
Does it have to be?
Well, my sister just gotdiagnosed with heart disease and
I don't want that to happen tome.
What else can I do?
What is it that triggers thisbroader appreciation?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
How I typically answer that question, bobby, is
through fitness people are ableto realize what they can
actually accomplish, because andthis is me pontificating I
think often in life many of usare sleepwalking or we're
following somebody else's ideas.
I know for my generation it washey, get good grades, go to
school, go to college, you canget a good job.
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And through that path one mightnot be actually focusing on
what they really want to do.
They're just kind of taking thesteps that other people
prescribed for them and thenthey wonder why they are
overweight and they don't likethe relationships, they don't
like their job and they'reunhappy.
Fitness, like you said, is agateway drug because it's very
easy to touch on the metrics,because someone can start a
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fitness journey with me and overtime they can visibly see the
changes in their physique, theycan visibly see the changes on
the scale, they can see how muchmore weight they can lift than
they did previously.
And that success in onemodality of life enlightens them
to these other areas, which Ilove because, like you said
previously, I'm doing more lifecoaching while also fitness
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coaching and I've seen successwith blurring the lines Before I
used to keep them separate andwith many clients.
I'll ask because I want to gettheir consent to bring in some
of the life coaching stuff.
But as and everyone says yes,and as they see their success in
fitness, they start to ask theother relevant questions Well,
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what do you do?
What's your mindfulness practice?
Do you do cold plunge?
What else do you do in yourlife?
What reading do you do?
What content do you consume?
Right, and so it's allowingthem to come to their own
conclusions once they see thesuccess with fitness, while also
making little suggestions.
For instance, one example iswith all of our clients, we have
a stress relief modality thatwe like to recommend and we have
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a ton listed.
We have journaling, gratitudepractice, meditation, breath
work, cold plunge, sauna.
What I say to clients is youdon't have to do all of these.
If you would like, you can.
That may be several hours ofyour morning, of your day, and I
have friends who do all of themto the tune of several hours in
the morning.
However, I would love for myclients to try each of them.
And I'm happy to give themlittle five to 10 minute
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examples and all of thosedifferent disciplines I
mentioned and then one thatresonates with them.
Stick with it for a month,let's work on it together and
see the results and, much likein fitness, they start to see
the results in their otheraspects of life and of course
that encourages them to continue.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, when you talk about results, so my listeners
will know that I'm very fond ofthe end of one approach.
If your sleep is not working,then do some sort of baseline
assessment.
It could be an aura ring or aFitbit or just a self
questionnaire of you know howmany hours of sleep did I get
and do I feel sleepy thismorning?
And then try something new.
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Maybe let's lower thetemperature in your bedroom, see
if that helps you.
Let's reduce alcohol Don't eatso late in the evening and then
retest and see what goes on.
So how do you monitor yourclient's progress?
Are there any sort of bestpractices that you might share
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with others?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Similarly to what you do with your clients, bobby.
We set a baseline, and so whenwe have a client, start with me
and us at our company.
We'll have them fill out aquestionnaire that speaks to,
okay, yes, the height, weight,age, but also digestion.
Also, what do you do in yourfree time?
What do your socialrelationships look like?
What are your commitmentsoutside of fitness look like?
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How would you like to becoached?
Right, what resonates with you?
And so we take all of thatintake to provide a baseline and
then, going forward, we haveweekly check-ins and in those
weekly check-ins, in thetemplate, I look at how often
they're training, theirintensity, their macros, sleep
steps, hydration, et cetera, etcetera, et cetera.
What's awesome about being acoach is I can see that 30,000
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foot view or that 60,000 footview, right, and I can also
enlighten my clients to what'sgoing on.
So, for instance, I had aclient recently who, um, he had
been on this great streak ofweight loss and then something
happened.
And here we were a week ago andhe's like sean I don't know
what's going on like I can'tseem to get the motor running
again.
What's awesome is he checks inevery week and he gives me all
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the data in that template,because that bio feedback is
data right, and I can use it tomake more informed decisions.
So when a client, like you saidearlier, is consistent with
when they go to sleep, they'reconsistent when they wake up and
they're consistent with whatthey eat, how they train, then
we can tell if something's outof whack.
Right, if there's a uniquevariable, like, okay, let's
change the temperature in yourroom, just do that one thing and
let's see if that works.
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If it does, great, if itdoesn't, we'll try something
else.
But the client is giving meconsistent data every week that
I can make decisions on.
So this client previously whosaid, sean, I don't know a
roadblock, I looked back at hislast four months and I could see
that, leading into November, hewas, on top of it, consistent,
all of his workouts, whatnot.
And then, like so many of us,you hit Thanksgiving and he had
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family in town, he was traveling, he had a girl in school and
college.
He was going to visit her, andso I was able to show him.
Hey, during this period of Q4,the holidays which trip up so
many of us you were just talkingabout those who maybe eat,
drink, they're a little bit moremerry than others over this
time of year.
Well, hey, that's the impact,it's not the client as an
individual, because he had thisgreat hot streak, it's all these
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trips, all of these holidays,and that's not necessarily a bad
thing, it's just recognizing oh, that's what tripped me up.
So if I can, maybe in the newyear stay more consistent,
that's what tripped me up.
So if I can maybe in the newyear stay more consistent, less
trips, less partying, then I'mprobably going to see more
success.
But it's only by one,establishing that baseline, and
then two, getting that dataevery week, keeping track of it,
to then be able to inform theclient in such a way.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Makes perfect sense.
Anything on the coaching arenathat I haven't asked, that you
would like to add to thedialogue.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I really appreciate that.
I took some notes off of yourand my conversation prior to the
podcast meeting for the podcast, and one other reason that I
well, a couple of things that Iwanted to mention are favorite
quotes and these may resonatewith your audience.
One is awareness precedeschange.
A great example of this is, Iimagine, everyone in our life
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there was a time where we didn'twant to look at our bank
account.
We were scared of our finances.
We were maybe living in a dormand we were trying to pay for
the ramen.
However, once we got into ourfinances and this is something I
do with my life coachingclients we typically find money
in the proverbial seat cushions.
In my experience, it's to thetune of about $300 per month of
oh man, I'm going to Starbucks alittle bit too much.
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Or like, oh, I need to rein inthat spending, I'm going out a
little bit too much.
But the awareness of what wasgoing on in our bank account
preceded change.
And I know this is what you do,bobby, with your clients making
them aware of their tendencies,their habits, their routines,
and then they decide if theywant to change it.
Another great quote is if youcan measure it, you can manage
it, and I know it may sounddaunting to touch on all these
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variables that you and I havebeen talking about, but starting
slowly with my clients and justdoing it over time, I allow
them to see that they canactually measure and manage more
aspects of their life in andout of fitness by simply looking
at it in a similar way asacademics or business.
That's fascinating to me, bobby,that in academics and business
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we track everything there'smonthly meetings, there's
quarterly goals, whatever, whathave you and then in our
personal life we're justthrowing stuff against the wall
hoping that it sticks, when, inactuality, if we take some of
that previous thought inbusiness, academics and sports,
for instance, and apply it toour personal life and our
fitness, then we will also seesuccess.
And so I really like showing myclients that they can see a lot
of success in fitness, and thenthat bleeds out to the rest of
your lives.
And so maybe it's anotherpodcast for you and me, but I've
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seen a lot of clients once theysee success in fitness and I'm
talking, I have clients who aredown 50, 60, sometimes over 100
pounds and they see what'spossible in their fitness life
and now all of a sudden theywant to change their career.
They recognize that maybe theirrelationship wasn't the
greatest for them and they startchanging other aspects of their
life, using fitness again asthat gateway drug.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
That's fantastic, Sean.
It has been great chatting withyou.
You know it's easy for me toget stuck in my ivory tower,
review the science, summarize itand share it with folks, but to
have a chance to hear aboutwhat it really takes to get
folks moving in the directionthat we all want them to, this
is wonderful, and thank you forsharing your insights into how
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you're truly helping people livelong and well.
If folks want to continue theconversation with you, how might
they connect?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
First off, thank you again so much for having me on
the show, bobby.
This was a ton of fun and Ireally appreciate being able to
talk about these shared passionsof ours.
I would love to connect withpeople on Instagram.
That's the main way that I getcontent out and talk to
followers and clients.
My Instagram is at fitnessshaman yes, there are three S's
in the middle of that andfollowing me that name will make
(26:39):
sense.
Otherwise, you can check outwhat my wife and I's company,
dld nation, does at DLD nationor at dldnationcom.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Well, I will definitely include it in the
show notes so folks can find youand reach out as they wish.
Now this is my first interviewformat my listening audience.
Please let me know whether youliked it, what you liked about
it, how I can do better, becauseI always want to do better.
And until next time, I hope youall continue on the journey to
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live long and well and perhapsperhaps a coach may be in your
future.
Thanks so much for listening toLive Long and Well with Dr
Bobby.
If you liked this episode,please provide a review on Apple
or Spotify or wherever youlisten.
If you want to continue thisjourney or want to receive my
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health and longevity, pleasevisit me at
drbobblivelongandwellcom.
That's, doctor, as in D-R Bobby.
Live long and well dot com.
If I missed a workout , then why track my macros?
Why care about my hydration?
Why try to get good sleepBecause it doesn't matter anyway
, when that's not the truth whatI try to show my clients and
for your listeners as well thereare multiple ways to win quote,
unquote when working towardsoptimal health.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hi, I'm Dr Bobby Du Bois and welcome.
To Live Long and Well, apodcast where we will talk about
what you can do to live as longas possible and with as much
energy and vigor that you wish.
Together, we will explore whatpractical and evidence-supported
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steps you can take.
Come join me on this veryimportant journey and I hope
that you feel empowered alongthe way.
I'm a physician, ironman,triathlete and have published
several hundred scientificstudies.
I'm honored to be your guide.
Welcome everyone to episode 25,from Evidence to Action, a
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dialogue with health coach SeanMcDevitt.
Now, as folks know, my episodesfocus on what the evidence tells
us about how we can live longand well.
As examples you know, studiesshow that exercise reduces heart
disease and overall mortality,and sauna can reduce our risk of
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dementia, and sleep impacts ourgeneral well-being.
Well, what the studies show isstep one, ah, but step two is
the all-important one.
The challenge is to implementwhat the studies show in our
daily lives.
Now we've talked about healthtype and how your type affects
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where health fits in your life,how you approach health
decisions, how you mightstruggle with certain things and
how you might respond when ahealth trigger occurs.
Now, if you haven't taken thehealth quiz yet please do so.
Just go todrbobbylivelongandwellcom.
Also, if you have an interestin working directly with me,
(02:20):
head to my website.
Let me know what you need.
Well, today I want to dosomething different.
This is the first episode I'veever done where I'm going to
have an interview somebody elseto join us in this dialogue, and
we're going to talk about thatbridge, the all-important bridge
between what evidence tells usand actually doing it.
(02:45):
So I want to welcome andintroduce Sean McDevitt, a
fitness and life coach.
Now his world lives in betweenwhat we know should help us and
encouraging and supportingindividuals to make those
changes in their life.
So a perfect person to have adialogue around this.
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Now.
Sean has served thousands aspart of an online fitness and
nutrition coaching company heowns with his wife, called DLD
Nation.
In addition to being a fitnessand a nutrition coach, sean is a
certified life coach, nearing athousand hours of experience.
Sean was a D1 athlete at theUniversity of Georgia, holds an
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MBA from the University ofOregon and is the author of the
bestselling book Hack yourHealth.
Sean's coached thousands ofindividuals and learned,
importantly, what does and whatdoesn't work.
So welcome, sean, to Live Longand Well.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Thank you so much, bobby.
I really appreciate being hereand I'm honored to be your very
first guest on the show.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
And we're going to have a lot of fun, which is the
most important thing.
Now, what I thought we would dofor our audience is sort of do
a point-counterpoint, talk alittle bit about evidence, but
then quickly turn towards how dowe get people to follow the
guidance that sometimes is clearnow, sometimes it's not so
clear.
So we know that exercise helpsus live long and well and, as
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we've talked about in priorepisodes, there are really four
key components of exercisethere's the aerobic part,
there's the strength part,there's balance and flexibility
and then there's high intensitywork.
So the evidence is pretty clearthat it reduces heart attacks,
reduces mortality, reduces therisk of cognitive decline.
(04:38):
But when the rubber meets theroad, how do you, Sean, work
with clients to actually make ithappen?
Speaker 1 (04:49):
First off, I just want to reinforce what you said,
Bobby.
All of those four modalitiesplay a role in our overall
health, and I was a historymajor at the University of
Georgia and going back intoevolutionary biology, surprise,
surprise, it's how we used touse our bodies Before we had
smartphones and devices anddistractions sitting in cars and
at tables, we actually used ourbodies in the ways, the four
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ways that you mentioned, and sofor me, it's one providing that
education for my clients.
That's something that my wifeand I pride ourselves on with
our company is focusing on thewhy, right?
Because sometimes, if one has acoach and they're told to do
something, they're just sittingthere shrugging, wondering, well
, why am I actually doing this?
And we want to put some moreeducation behind it and I know
that's a big part of what you doas well, for how we help our
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clients have the rubber meet theroad, which I think is a great
way to put it, is, first off,show them what's possible, and
the example I use would be ifsomebody wanted to be an
attorney, they might want to goto Harvard Law School, because
Harvard Law School fields a lotof great legal departments.
Same thing with medical right.
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They go to Stanford if theywant to be a doctor, or if they
want to play professionalfootball, they might be going to
Georgia or Ohio State andsimilar.
And so what I'm grateful to saywith what my wife and I do is we
have literally, like you said,thousands of examples of clients
seeing success not only in theaesthetics and the before and
afters of their photos and theirtransformations physically, but
also looking under the hood andgetting those labs that show
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that there's changes incholesterol, show that there's
changes in these other factorsthat go into overall health.
And so that's the first part isshowing them what's possible,
because there is a lot of doubtin the fitness industry of can I
see the same success as theperson that I'm seeing on
Instagram, as the person thatI'm seeing on Facebook or the
friends that talk about it?
The next part is we break itdown into consumable chunks,
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because when we look at themacro, sometimes that can be
overwhelming.
Right, we get overwhelmed witheverything that we have to do,
versus breaking it down intookay, what goes into the high
intensity training, what doesthat look like?
And so that first part isshowing our clients what's
possible and then breaking itdown to consumable chunks and
then, like you said, bobby,guiding them along the way.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Okay, so it sounds like a great formula.
Here's the vision of what itcan be for you.
Here are bite-sized chunks andI'm going to guide you along the
way.
Sounds good Till the firstroadblock.
So maybe walk us through someof the common challenges that
you run across and how you guidepeople through it.
(07:22):
Oh, sean, I'm too busy.
You know, I got three kids athome, I got a busy career, et
cetera, et cetera.
Or you know, whatever it elsethat is, that kind of gets in
the way of what those threeguideposts are for you.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
That's a great question and the overarching
answer would be people typicallyfall prey to the all or nothing
mindset and I know that thatwas my main hurdle, or speed
bump as well that if I missed aworkout, then why track my
macros, why care about myhydration, why try to get good
sleep Because it doesn't matteranyway, when that's not the
truth.
What I try to show my clientsand for your listeners as well,
(08:00):
there are multiple ways to win,quote unquote, when working
towards optimal health, and so,in that example, if we miss a
workout, we can still takeadvantage of our nutrition, we
can still make sure we hit our10,000 steps, we can still get
our good sleep, we can stillhave a mindfulness practice,
because that all plays a role.
What bleeds out of that all ornothing mindset is people have a
(08:21):
tendency of beating ourselvesup, and that's the negativity
bias that our brains have right,where we immediately go to the
negative.
Thousands of years ago,evolutionary biology that made
sense, right, because we had toworry about the lions and tigers
and bears oh my, outside thecave in which we lived.
Fast forward to 2024,.
Our brains have not upgradedthe software and so it still
thinks it's in this fight orflight scenario and has to think
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negatively.
And so that's what I've noticedtraining thousands of clients
is that when they make a misstepthey fall prey to that all or
nothing mindset and then theystart beating themselves up.
And so to your point earlier ofhey Sean, this sounds great,
you know consumable chunks andyou're going to guide me, but
now I hit a road bump.
It's recognizing for my clientswhat that road bump is and
showing them how they can getaround it with still being kind
(09:05):
to themselves.
And what I really like workingwith my clients on and you kind
of alluded to this with thearchetypical busy parent who has
three kids I'm working a job, Idon't have a lot of time To me
and please forgive the sportsanalogies that's playing with
what the defense is giving me.
So I love when a client sayshey, sean, I'm so busy, I have
all these things going on.
How do I even approach this?
(09:32):
There isn't an all or nothingmindset to that client.
What I mean by that is if aclient has 30 minutes and I was
just talking to a client aboutthis literally before our
podcast if a if a client has,hey, how much time do you have,
client, I have 30 minutes to getin the gym Awesome, let's work
with those 30 minutes.
I will customize a workout thatworks for you.
Whatever you get done, you getdone.
I just want you maintainingthat routine, maintaining that
habit, maintaining that habit.
They may ask how do I stick tomy nutrition because I have the
(09:54):
cakes and cookies and candies inthe office kitchen?
Well, let's meal prep.
How do we do that?
Help guide them through that.
If they're making just a fewmeals a week, that's going to be
a huge impact, statisticallyspeaking, on what they're eating
overall.
And so for me and yes, I wrotea book called Hack your Health
it's finding those hacks.
It's finding those cheat codesto make everything that goes
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with health actually executable.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Makes perfect sense, all right.
So it's that time of year.
Very soon we're going to startthinking about New Year's
resolutions and I'm actuallygoing to do a whole podcast
about a different way toapproach it.
But I wanted to get a sensefrom you In your experience
coaching people.
January 1st comes around.
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They've gained weight duringthe holidays, they drank too
much, slept too little and theyknow they got to do something.
So they have all thesewonderful visions for the new
year.
What are good New Year'sresolutions and what ones are
kind of likely to fail.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I'm going to break rapport with your audience.
The goals of I'm going to loseX number of pounds is going to
fail.
It's because it's too macro.
The person and I wouldencourage all of your listeners
to start now and not wait untilthe first of the year.
That's also going to give thema little bit of a leg up on
everybody else who waited.
But that overarching goal of Iwant to get fit, I want to lose
(11:20):
10 pounds, I want to lose 20pounds, that's going to fail in
my opinion, in my experience,because there is no how, versus
that person who says I want tocommit to at least three days in
the gym, I want to commit totracking my macros, I want to
commit to getting a cold plunge,trying this out for a few days
a week and seeing how thatimpacts my life.
When we have those tangiblegoals that there's actually
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steps to, then all of a suddenwe actually see success, versus
being overwhelmed by this biggoal that doesn't have an
approach or a path to success.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
So are you saying that, rather than focus on the
goal as an end point?
Lose this number of pounds.
My body fat will look like thisI'll get so much amount of
sleep that, in fact, you'refocused on the process, which is
get to the gym twice a week.
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I don't care what you do, it'sbetter than zero times a week.
Do you give it more of aprocess focus?
Is that more sustainable andsuccessful?
Speaker 1 (12:23):
It's what all of the successful people before us have
talked about.
In any discipline, it's thejourney.
I'm a huge Kobe Bryant fan.
I know we can speak to thisbecause you and I used to live
in Los Angeles and he has agreat speech to his daughters
when his Jersey is being retiredand at the end of that I would
encourage anyone to check it out, especially those of us who are
parents.
He talks about, he looks to hisgirls in front of everybody at
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what was then Staples Center andhe points to the banners and he
says those weren't really thegoal.
The Jersey is hanging mine twoof them that are hanging.
That's not really the goal.
The goal is coming in andtraining when you don't feel
like it, finding out how much ofa reservoir of energy you
actually have when you're tired,committing to the people around
you, your family, yourcommunity.
And it's that journey to yourpoint, bobby, that speaks to
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those individual pieces, thatthen gets you to the goal.
Right, there's a great quoteand I might be butchering it,
but the person who enjoyswalking is going to go farther
than the person who's focused onthe destination, and it's the
same thing in our life andhealth.
I love it.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
Well, we're in another minute or two we're
going to move beyond fitness tothe broader aspects of health
and wellness.
But when you were chatting, Ihad this sort of question that
popped into my head that peoplehave asked me and I have my
standard answer, but I want tohear what yours is.
This, obviously, we hadn'ttalked about before, so this
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will be completely spontaneous.
So one of your clients comes toyou and says oh my God, I got
almost.
You know it's 11 o'clock, 12o'clock at night.
I it's time for me to go to bedand I'm supposed to get up.
It's I was supposed to get upat six in the morning to get to
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the gym, but if I do that I'mnot going to get very much sleep
.
So which is it better to get abetter night's sleep or say,
forget the sleep, I'm getting tothe gym?
What do you guide them to do?
Speaker 1 (14:16):
That's a great question.
I would love to hear youranswer as well.
So my overall answer would benuanced.
The umbrella answer would beget your sleep, because you
can't make up the sleep, mostlikely, but you can probably
make up the workout.
You might even be able to makeup the workout at your lunch
period.
You might be able to make upthe workout after work or you
can shift it to another day.
(14:37):
I had a client recently who wasactually under the weather and
she did just that.
She was like, I think, on thisMonday.
Sean, it would behoove me toget more sleep to recover and
she moved her workout.
She might have to do twoworkouts in a row or whatever,
and mess with her schedule alittle bit, but it's possible.
The nuanced approach I mightsay is is there a way to do both
?
Is there a way to cut yourworkout to, like I said, maybe
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30 minutes versus the 60 or 90,get more sleep and still try to
do both?
However, if one was asking mefor a black and white answer, it
would be to get sleep and youcan make up the workout later.
I'd be curious.
Your answer.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
I have the exact same answer and studies really have
looked at this issue of whathappens if you lose sleep on a
night or two or three, and thenyou quote make it up on the
weekends, which is a very commonscenario on a whole host of
measures, whether it's memoryissues or learning new skills.
You cannot make up sleep.
(15:32):
During sleep, you're flushingout toxins, you're doing various
things.
You cannot undo it.
So extra sleep on the weekenddoesn't undo it.
On the other hand, as you say,you can do an extra workout, you
can work a little bit longer.
So, given a choice between yourexercise and your sleep, I
think we're both in agreementGet your sleep, we'll get the
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fitness stuff back on trackanother day.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
I just want to add something quickly to that.
To that point, bobby, we have acheck-in template for our
clients and we look at theaverages.
So, for instance, with workingto get 10K steps, it's the
average right.
Or to our hydration it's theaverage.
What I typically say to clients.
Let's say one day they get 15Ksteps, hey, don't worry about
the next day, you don't have toget 10K, you can be a little bit
lower if you need to recover,because we're working on the
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average.
When it comes to sleep, myrefrain is typically that's okay
in steps, that might be okay inhydration, but for sleep I want
that to be consistent every dayas closely as possible.
Beautiful.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
Completely agree.
As my listeners know, my pillarnumber one of the six pillars
is fitness and exercise, butthere are five other pillars and
I now want to switch gears andbegin to talk about not just
fitness coaching but the broaderhealth coaching that you do and
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you're transitioningincreasingly towards.
You mentioned to me thatfitness is almost the gateway
drug.
If you can get people to beginthe excitement around being more
fit, they naturally want topursue some of these other
things.
And those other things, aswe've talked about so far, is
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sleep, but also nutrition,mind-body harmony, exposure to
heat and cold, eaten cold andsocial relationships.
So when you have clients thatsay you know, sean, I'm ready to
, to expand my understanding ofhealth and wellness and go
beyond exercise, can you guideme in that regard?
(17:33):
Well, what triggers thattransition?
What is it?
Does it have to be?
Well, my sister just gotdiagnosed with heart disease and
I don't want that to happen tome.
What else can I do?
What is it that triggers thisbroader appreciation?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
How I typically answer that question, bobby, is
through fitness people are ableto realize what they can
actually accomplish, because andthis is me pontificating I
think often in life many of usare sleepwalking or we're
following somebody else's ideas.
I know for my generation it washey, get good grades, go to
school, go to college, you canget a good job.
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And through that path one mightnot be actually focusing on
what they really want to do.
They're just kind of taking thesteps that other people
prescribed for them and thenthey wonder why they are
overweight and they don't likethe relationships, they don't
like their job and they'reunhappy.
Fitness, like you said, is agateway drug because it's very
easy to touch on the metrics,because someone can start a
(18:36):
fitness journey with me and overtime they can visibly see the
changes in their physique, theycan visibly see the changes on
the scale, they can see how muchmore weight they can lift than
they did previously.
And that success in onemodality of life enlightens them
to these other areas, which Ilove because, like you said
previously, I'm doing more lifecoaching while also fitness
(18:57):
coaching and I've seen successwith blurring the lines Before I
used to keep them separate andwith many clients.
I'll ask because I want to gettheir consent to bring in some
of the life coaching stuff.
But as and everyone says yes,and as they see their success in
fitness, they start to ask theother relevant questions Well,
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what do you do?
What's your mindfulness practice?
Do you do cold plunge?
What else do you do in yourlife?
What reading do you do?
What content do you consume?
Right, and so it's allowingthem to come to their own
conclusions once they see thesuccess with fitness, while also
making little suggestions.
For instance, one example iswith all of our clients, we have
a stress relief modality thatwe like to recommend and we have
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a ton listed.
We have journaling, gratitudepractice, meditation, breath
work, cold plunge, sauna.
What I say to clients is youdon't have to do all of these.
If you would like, you can.
That may be several hours ofyour morning, of your day, and I
have friends who do all of themto the tune of several hours in
the morning.
However, I would love for myclients to try each of them.
And I'm happy to give themlittle five to 10 minute
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examples and all of thosedifferent disciplines I
mentioned and then one thatresonates with them.
Stick with it for a month,let's work on it together and
see the results and, much likein fitness, they start to see
the results in their otheraspects of life and of course
that encourages them to continue.
Speaker 2 (20:19):
Well, when you talk about results, so my listeners
will know that I'm very fond ofthe end of one approach.
If your sleep is not working,then do some sort of baseline
assessment.
It could be an aura ring or aFitbit or just a self
questionnaire of you know howmany hours of sleep did I get
and do I feel sleepy thismorning?
And then try something new.
(20:40):
Maybe let's lower thetemperature in your bedroom, see
if that helps you.
Let's reduce alcohol Don't eatso late in the evening and then
retest and see what goes on.
So how do you monitor yourclient's progress?
Are there any sort of bestpractices that you might share
(21:01):
with others?
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Similarly to what you do with your clients, bobby.
We set a baseline, and so whenwe have a client, start with me
and us at our company.
We'll have them fill out aquestionnaire that speaks to,
okay, yes, the height, weight,age, but also digestion.
Also, what do you do in yourfree time?
What do your socialrelationships look like?
What are your commitmentsoutside of fitness look like?
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How would you like to becoached?
Right, what resonates with you?
And so we take all of thatintake to provide a baseline and
then, going forward, we haveweekly check-ins and in those
weekly check-ins, in thetemplate, I look at how often
they're training, theirintensity, their macros, sleep
steps, hydration, et cetera, etcetera, et cetera.
What's awesome about being acoach is I can see that 30,000
(21:44):
foot view or that 60,000 footview, right, and I can also
enlighten my clients to what'sgoing on.
So, for instance, I had aclient recently who, um, he had
been on this great streak ofweight loss and then something
happened.
And here we were a week ago andhe's like sean I don't know
what's going on like I can'tseem to get the motor running
again.
What's awesome is he checks inevery week and he gives me all
(22:05):
the data in that template,because that bio feedback is
data right, and I can use it tomake more informed decisions.
So when a client, like you saidearlier, is consistent with
when they go to sleep, they'reconsistent when they wake up and
they're consistent with whatthey eat, how they train, then
we can tell if something's outof whack.
Right, if there's a uniquevariable, like, okay, let's
change the temperature in yourroom, just do that one thing and
let's see if that works.
(22:25):
If it does, great, if itdoesn't, we'll try something
else.
But the client is giving meconsistent data every week that
I can make decisions on.
So this client previously whosaid, sean, I don't know a
roadblock, I looked back at hislast four months and I could see
that, leading into November, hewas, on top of it, consistent,
all of his workouts, whatnot.
And then, like so many of us,you hit Thanksgiving and he had
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family in town, he was traveling, he had a girl in school and
college.
He was going to visit her, andso I was able to show him.
Hey, during this period of Q4,the holidays which trip up so
many of us you were just talkingabout those who maybe eat,
drink, they're a little bit moremerry than others over this
time of year.
Well, hey, that's the impact,it's not the client as an
individual, because he had thisgreat hot streak, it's all these
(23:08):
trips, all of these holidays,and that's not necessarily a bad
thing, it's just recognizing oh, that's what tripped me up.
So if I can, maybe in the newyear stay more consistent,
that's what tripped me up.
So if I can maybe in the newyear stay more consistent, less
trips, less partying, then I'mprobably going to see more
success.
But it's only by one,establishing that baseline, and
then two, getting that dataevery week, keeping track of it,
to then be able to inform theclient in such a way.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
Makes perfect sense.
Anything on the coaching arenathat I haven't asked, that you
would like to add to thedialogue.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
I really appreciate that.
I took some notes off of yourand my conversation prior to the
podcast meeting for the podcast, and one other reason that I
well, a couple of things that Iwanted to mention are favorite
quotes and these may resonatewith your audience.
One is awareness precedeschange.
A great example of this is, Iimagine, everyone in our life
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there was a time where we didn'twant to look at our bank
account.
We were scared of our finances.
We were maybe living in a dormand we were trying to pay for
the ramen.
However, once we got into ourfinances and this is something I
do with my life coachingclients we typically find money
in the proverbial seat cushions.
In my experience, it's to thetune of about $300 per month of
oh man, I'm going to Starbucks alittle bit too much.
(24:21):
Or like, oh, I need to rein inthat spending, I'm going out a
little bit too much.
But the awareness of what wasgoing on in our bank account
preceded change.
And I know this is what you do,bobby, with your clients making
them aware of their tendencies,their habits, their routines,
and then they decide if theywant to change it.
Another great quote is if youcan measure it, you can manage
it, and I know it may sounddaunting to touch on all these
(24:42):
variables that you and I havebeen talking about, but starting
slowly with my clients and justdoing it over time, I allow
them to see that they canactually measure and manage more
aspects of their life in andout of fitness by simply looking
at it in a similar way asacademics or business.
That's fascinating to me, bobby,that in academics and business
(25:05):
we track everything there'smonthly meetings, there's
quarterly goals, whatever, whathave you and then in our
personal life we're justthrowing stuff against the wall
hoping that it sticks, when, inactuality, if we take some of
that previous thought inbusiness, academics and sports,
for instance, and apply it toour personal life and our
fitness, then we will also seesuccess.
And so I really like showing myclients that they can see a lot
of success in fitness, and thenthat bleeds out to the rest of
your lives.
And so maybe it's anotherpodcast for you and me, but I've
(25:27):
seen a lot of clients once theysee success in fitness and I'm
talking, I have clients who aredown 50, 60, sometimes over 100
pounds and they see what'spossible in their fitness life
and now all of a sudden theywant to change their career.
They recognize that maybe theirrelationship wasn't the
greatest for them and they startchanging other aspects of their
life, using fitness again asthat gateway drug.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
That's fantastic, Sean.
It has been great chatting withyou.
You know it's easy for me toget stuck in my ivory tower,
review the science, summarize itand share it with folks, but to
have a chance to hear aboutwhat it really takes to get
folks moving in the directionthat we all want them to, this
is wonderful, and thank you forsharing your insights into how
(26:09):
you're truly helping people livelong and well.
If folks want to continue theconversation with you, how might
they connect?
Speaker 1 (26:18):
First off, thank you again so much for having me on
the show, bobby.
This was a ton of fun and Ireally appreciate being able to
talk about these shared passionsof ours.
I would love to connect withpeople on Instagram.
That's the main way that I getcontent out and talk to
followers and clients.
My Instagram is at fitnessshaman yes, there are three S's
in the middle of that andfollowing me that name will make
(26:39):
sense.
Otherwise, you can check outwhat my wife and I's company,
dld nation, does at DLD nationor at dldnationcom.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Well, I will definitely include it in the
show notes so folks can find youand reach out as they wish.
Now this is my first interviewformat my listening audience.
Please let me know whether youliked it, what you liked about
it, how I can do better, becauseI always want to do better.
And until next time, I hope youall continue on the journey to
(27:15):
live long and well and perhapsperhaps a coach may be in your
future.
Thanks so much for listening toLive Long and Well with Dr
Bobby.
If you liked this episode,please provide a review on Apple
or Spotify or wherever youlisten.
If you want to continue thisjourney or want to receive my
(27:39):
newsletter on practical andscientific ways to improve your
health and longevity, pleasevisit me at
drbobblivelongandwellcom.
That's, doctor, as in D-R Bobby.
Live long and well dot com.
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