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Speaker 1 (00:15):
and live an exceptional life.
I'm your host, chrisKastenbader, and I've been
living an exceptional life withParkinson's for the past 15
years.
This podcast is about sharingscience, stories and strategies
to help you live your best lifewith Parkinson's for the past 15
years.
This podcast is about sharingscience, stories and strategies
to help you live your best lifewith Parkinson's.
Now, today, I'm honored to haveDr Carolyn Dean, md, nd.
Now.
Dr Dean has been researchingnutrients, homeopathy and
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alternative therapies for overfive decades.
She integrated her applicationof alternative therapies along
with traditional medicine.
She became one of the firstfunctional medicine doctors in
Canada, and her credentialsinclude training as a certified
dietitian, nutritionist,naturopath and Chinese medicine
herbalist.
Dr Dean became a best-sellingauthor with her landmark thesis
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on magnesium with her book theMagnesium Miracle in 2017, which
became one of the most highlyreferenced publications on
magnesium by healthcareprofessionals and consumers
alike.
In 2014, dr Dean launched RNAReset, where she used her
knowledge and experience todevelop proprietary, unique
formulations that give everyindividual, at any stage of
wellness or illness, thenecessary building blocks to
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sustain health, vitality andwell-being.
Dr Dean hosts a weekly podcastMondays at 7 pm, eastern
Standard Time, called the DrDean Podcast, and Dr Dean
believes in sharing factual,validated health information,
and that's one of thecornerstones of this podcast as
well sharing evidence-basedinformation to help you live a
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great quality of life.
So, without further ado,welcome, dr Dean.
It's a great pleasure to haveyou.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, thank you, Chris, and call me Carolyn.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, carolyn.
Well, thanks for being on thepodcast today.
Now what I wanted to do is justgive everybody a quick roadmap
of where we'll be going today,and we're going to break it down
into five different segments.
So we'll start off with givingyou a foundation on magnesium,
so we'll try to understand whatmagnesium's role is in the body
and the brain.
Then, in segment two, we'lltalk a little bit about
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magnesium's impact on brainhealth in terms of memory, focus
and mental health.
And then, segment three, we'lltalk a little bit about
neuroprotection and do a littlebit of a scientific deep dive on
how magnesium can protect thebrain and help with
neurodegeneration.
And then, segment four, we'lltalk about how the minerals work
together magnesium and some ofthe other minerals and then in
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segment five, we'll talk alittle bit about some practical
strategies that you can all useto help incorporate these into
your daily life so that you canlive a healthier and more vital
and vibrant life.
Sound good.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Sounds good.
I know a lot of podcasts I do.
We tend to go all over theplace, so it'd be interesting to
see if we can keep on track.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, let's see what we can do All right.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, so you want to know about magnesium?
I should just say this isbackwards.
This is my magnesium book, but,chris, I wrote it in 1999.
And the 2017 edition was likethe third edition and it went
from 300 pages to 600 pages.
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So what I did last year waswrite what's this called
Magnesium, the Missing Link toTotal Health Shorter book, much
easier for people to delve into.
Magnesium was my way of gettinghealthy because when I was in
New York in the late 90s I wasdoing AIDS and chronic fatigue
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research using natural protocolsand I was on a lot of New York
TV and a publishing companyRandom House asked me to write a
book on magnesium because Iguess I was talking on.
I was on the View a lot talkingabout magnesium.
So I wrote the book.
It was supposed to come out onlaunch on the day of nine.
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I was in New York during 9-11.
So that put it back a couple ofyears because everything just
shut down New York.
But in my world, when I startedlooking at the research on
magnesium to write the book,first of all I thought how can I
write 300 pages on one mineral?
And I found out that my legcramps, heart palpitations, neck
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pain, insomnia dozens ofsymptoms were magnesium
deficiency.
So I thought, wow, I'vediscovered the holy grail.
But then when I went to thehealth food store to get a
bottle of magnesium so I couldtake more than was in my
multiple.
I got an immediate laxativeeffect.
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So as soon as we got themagnesium miracle out I guess it
was 2001, I began research totry to find a non-laxative
magnesium for myself.
Couldn't find a company thatwas interested, so I got a
chemist who was able to make anon-laxative magnesium, which is
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.
I had to create my own companyto get this done.
It's a stabilized ion ofmagnesium that the body accepts
without a laxative effect andyou're able to take enough to
help your brain and your wholebody.
Up until this time, people whotry to take magnesium to help
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all their magnesium deficiencysymptoms, they get the laxative
effect and they stop before theyget to tilt.
To be fully saturated.
I've defined in this book isover 65 conditions, including
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Parkinson's, alzheimer's,dementia, over 65 conditions
that could truly be magnesiumdeficiency.
But they're misdiagnosedBecause in medicine I guess the
way I'd say it I'd say Chris iswe look at the macro level, the
macro of, even in diet, proteins, fats, sugars.
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We look at the macro and it'sgotten into the drug macro.
We are not looking at nutrientsin any productive way and it's
because doctors, researchers,never learned about nutrients in
their scientific training.
There's no blood test formagnesium that's reliable.
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If you look at an electrolytepanel, magnesium isn't even
mentioned.
Yet 80% of known metabolicfunctions require magnesium.
Metabolic functions requiremagnesium, 80% In the brain
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where energy is made, the ATPenergy in the Krebs cycle, krebs
cycle is in the mitochondria.
So mitochondria, the energyfactory running energy molecules
through the Krebs cycle In thebrain, each neuron molecules
through the Krebs cycle In thebrain, each neuron, of which
there are 86 billion, eachneuron has 2 million
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mitochondria.
The heart, which I always usedto think, had the most magnesium
because it had to keep yourheart rhythm going properly.
The heart cell muscle only has5,000.
So you are looking at what Twomillion mitochondria in each
neuron to make energy, to makethe brain work properly.
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And the clincher of the wholething is ATP doesn't work unless
it's attached to magnesium.
So every energy molecule that'smade in all these mitochondria
and all these neurons, theyrequire so much magnesium that
we are not getting.
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I say about 80% of thepopulation is magnesium
deficient.
Everybody knows magnesium isimportant.
But they've gotten to the pointof saying well, you know, it
gives me the laxative effect,I'm not going to take it and
then they go off with theirmagnesium deficiency symptoms to
take drugs to try to treatmagnesium deficiency.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So how would someone recognize that they're magnesium
deficient?
You mentioned?
There's really no blood testfor it.
How would someone recognizethat they're magnesium deficient
, you mentioned?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
there's really no blood test for it.
Well, there are blood tests butthey're inaccurate.
I mean, I facetiously would sayeverybody needs magnesium.
If you have insomnia, if youhave headaches, if you have
twitches you know the eyelidtwitch if you have aches or
pains or numbness or tingling.
Anything to do with muscles andnerves requires a balancing of
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magnesium and the blood test,the serum magnesium test.
It has a very narrow range.
What happens is becausemagnesium is so vital to the
body, when that narrow rangegoes down too low, below quote
normal, then the body will pullmagnesium out of muscles and
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bones and always keep that range.
So that's why doctors say whybother doing a serum magnesium
test?
It's always okay.
And what happens is inconditions like seizures, or
even in the seizures ofeclampsia in pregnancy, what do
they do?
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They put up an intravenousmagnesium drip.
The testing that I've beenworking with in research, where
we've done university studies,where we use an ionized
magnesium blood test, but that'snot available to the public,
the one in between is RBC, redblood cell magnesium.
It has a wider range and I justtell people well, just look to
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be at the top of that range.
If the test is 4.2 to 6.8, andyou're 4.3, and your doctor says
you're fine.
You're not fine, you're too low.
So you can follow your symptoms.
You can follow the RBC bloodtest.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, Well, I guess this is a two-part question then
.
So how do people get magnesiumin their diet?
What types of foods?
And then the second part ofthat would they have the same
absorption through their diet asthey would with supplementation
?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay.
So the diet factor is veryinteresting because magnesium is
not in most agricultural soilanymore.
A hundred years ago, the USDepartment of Agriculture found
500 milligrams of magnesium inthe average diet.
Now we're lucky to get 200milligrams and we need five or
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600 milligrams, so the dietisn't helping you.
In order to figure out the dietaspect, and also for food
security, I live in Maui and allmy extra funding goes to an
organic farm and I can't dowithout my magnesium
supplementation and just eat offthe farm, even though it's
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organic, and we put extraminerals on the soil.
There's either something aboutthe extra stress that we have in
our environment, the toxicity,all those things that are making
our food not the source of ourmagnesium.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay, so supplementation is going to be
key then, and we'll talk alittle bit about your
proprietary formula a little bitlater here, but that's what's
going to help make sure that weget the 500 milligrams of
magnesium.
Okay and then?
So why do you think there'ssuch an epidemic of magnesium
deficiency?
Is it just because of youmentioned a couple of things,
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that agriculture, the stress isthere anything else that might
play a role?
Anything else?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
that might play a role.
Sure, chlorine in the waterwill bind away magnesium.
Fluoride is even worse.
Fluoride and magnesium whenthey bind together they make a
brittle substance called cellateand that deposits in tendons
and joints and muscles.
So it actually causes sideeffects.
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And there's a lot of fluoridedrugs now on the market.
I'd say now, but maybe the past15, 20 years they realized that
if you bound fluoride moleculesin with a pharmaceutical
compound it would help it getacross the fatty cell membranes
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into cells.
So 80% of our common drugsProzac and certain anesthetics
inhaled anesthetics.
In surgical procedures theyhave fluoride, dental products,
fluoride.
You go to a doctor and they'restill saying oh, I'll give you a
fluoride treatment to stop youfrom getting cavities.
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Now that's been disproven, butfor the doctors I guess it's a
moneymaker, it's a poison and itbinds up magnesium.
So drugs are binding magnesium.
After surgery a lot of peoplewill have heart palpitations and
they'll be put on beta blockersor different drugs.
It's a magnesium deficiency, thestress, the toxins and all the
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rest of it.
When you have a lot of heavymetals in the environment
mercury, people with mercuryfillings you bind up mineral
receptor sites with heavy metals.
If you don't have enoughminerals to be where they're
supposed to be.
So the more deficient you arein your magnesium or your
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selenium or your zinc or yourcopper, then the more likely you
are to pull in these heavymetals, because they're in the
air, they're in drugs, they'rein our food supply.
You test any water sourceanywhere in the world there'll
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be heavy metals and chemicalsand prescription drugs.
So we're kind of fighting abattle and I'm not negative
about that because I know, withthe proper nutrients I'm not
negative about that because Iknow with the proper nutrients
food-based vitamins, methylatedBs, bs, picometer-stable ions of
minerals we have a fightingchance.
Here I am.
In 2000, let's say 25 years ago, I found out I was magnesium
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deficient and I felt I was inbad shape.
So here I am, I'm 76 now and Ifeel better than I did when I
was 30.
It's because I make sure mycells are completely healthy and
happy and we'll get into moreof the brain effects and what's
going on, as you say, withresearch, and I'm not going to
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make it all about magnesium, butit is the baseline of what
people really need to stayhealthy.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So, in terms of supplementation, not all
supplements are going to be thesame, then right, and how your
body absorbs the magnesium.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Right, yes, the absorption.
So in the diet there is someresearch that will say well, a
healthy gut will absorb whatever10 to 40% of a nutrient into
40% of a nutrient.
So when you take a supplementand it's 100 milligrams of
something, then you have tofactor well, only 10 milligrams,
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maybe 40 milligrams, will getthrough the gut and then in the
bloodstream.
What are the transporters forthese various supplements?
The compound of a mineral.
Our magnesium is derived frommagnesium chloride.
But if you just took amagnesium chloride pill, in the
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bloodstream that compound withthese two factors, magnesium and
chloride, has to disassociateinto the ions of magnesium and
the ions of chloride In theinfinitesimal second.
That magnesium is an ion.
That's when it's absorbed intothe cell.
Magnesium is so hyperactiveit'll join right back up or join
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the fluoride or immediatelybecome a compound again, because
an ion is unstable.
But what my chemist did wasstabilize the ions of magnesium
and the other minerals so thatthey stay as ions and they're
allowed to go and pass throughthe cell mineral ion channel
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which is the size of an ion.
That's all that can get intocells.
And in our research in PurdueUniversity they did an
experiment where they shone alaser through our liquid
magnesium and it didn't bounceoff any solid substance because
it's in an ionic state, so it'snot a solid, it's below
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microscopic level.
So this is the biochemistry ofminerals With vitamins.
What happens with vitamin C?
It's transporter.
Chris, this is very fascinatingbecause I heard your sugar
podcast.
The transporter of vitamin C,ascorbic acid.
The transporter of vitamin C,ascorbic acid, is insulin, and
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insulin transports glucose,sugar.
They fight.
If you have a lot of sugar inyour diet, you will get the
transporter pulling up theglucose and ignoring the vitamin
C.
Vitamin C won't get into yourcells properly, where it is
absolutely necessary to detoxifythe metabolic byproducts of
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energy, the breakdown of thesugar.
If sugar is not broken downproperly, it'll turn into
sorbitol, which is a crystallinesugar, and it'll hang out in
the cell and can't get back outand that's what causes the cell
damage in, say, diabetes orneuropathies.
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So vitamin C, as I said, it'scompeting with the glucose.
So it means we have to stop oursugars and take more vitamin C.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Interesting Now is there specific receptor sites on
the cell membrane for themagnesium to go through to get
into the cell?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Mineral ion channels that are actually coordinated by
magnesium.
Let's go back to how cellsfunction.
A lot of the activity in cellsis caused by calcium.
Calcium will cause a nerveaction potential or a muscle to
fire.
So in order for calcium to getinto a cell, magnesium has to
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open up the cell.
If you don't have enoughmagnesium, calcium will just
sort of jam up the cell andcause disruption of the cell,
irritability, the twitching.
A lot of the magnesiumdeficiency symptoms are calcium
excess symptoms.
Magnesium and calcium aresupposed to be kind of a
one-to-one ratio Somehow.
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Actually it was amistranslation of a French
researcher who said never taketwo times the amount of calcium
as magnesium.
It causes problems.
So it was translated into weneed twice the amount of calcium
as magnesium and all the.
I don't know if it's changedlately, but five years ago all
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the calcium-magnesiumsupplements had two parts
calcium, one part magnesium andit almost should be the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Interesting.
Now this will probably lead usinto the next segment, on
neuroprotection andneuroinflammation and having
Parkinson's myself.
One of the things we talk abouta lot is what I've talked about
before is the gut-brain axis.
There's a lot of research goingon that and correct me if I'm
wrong, but I think I read that70% of our immune system is in
our GI tract and that in termsof Parkinson's, a lot of the
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misfolded the alpha-synucleinproteins get misfolded and can
be transported up to the brainvia, like the vagus nerve
pathway.
Will magnesium help with thatin terms of being transported to
the brain to help withneuroinflammation or
neuroprotection?
I?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
don't know if that question makes sense.
Well, it's a huge question, Alot of layers there.
Let's see how to go about that.
Yes, In the, in the gut, wemake 90% of our serotonin.
I don't.
I don't know about dopamine andI know with Parkinson's.
The whole L-DOPA business isquite fascinating.
L-dopa is the drug thatsupposedly is a precursor to
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make more dopamine.
I don't know that it works thatwell in the sense that how can
a synthetic substance create anatural substance?
So there's some force that'sgoing on with, say, high doses
of L-Dopa that will force theproduction of dopamine.
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That's the way they're lookingat treating Parkinson's.
And what I said about the wholemacro business is that's the
macro level.
This is what dopamine is lacking, let's get more dopamine.
And what they're missingentirely is, well, what is
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making dopamine?
And magnesium is involved.
I think they're kind ofsidebarring in Parkinson's to
NMDA and BDNF, brain-derivedneurotrophic factor, and NMDAs
and methyl aspartate.
Those are protein.
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They could be peptides thatfunction to.
If they're deficient, then theyfind this deficiency in
Parkinson's.
So they're thinking, okay, wehave to increase BDNF and they
don't know how to do it.
Again, magnesium is necessaryfor the creation of these
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proteins, which is, it'sfascinating proteins, which is
fascinating.
Omega-3 fatty acids isnecessary, I think it's for the
BDNF part.
Stress depletes BDNF, sugardepletes BDNF.
And on the positive side, theomegas, the magnesium,
relaxation, exercise, walkingall that.
When you look at those factors,the pros and cons of BDNF, you
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will never get a drug that willincrease BDNF.
And this is what we have torecognize in a lot of the
chronic diseases is with thepharmaceutical companies taking
over and just saying, oh well,we found this receptor and then
we can manipulate it.
It goes back to the days ofCandice Pert.
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I don't know if you ever cameacross her.
She was the PhD researcher thatdiscovered the opioid receptors
.
So she found, oh my gosh, inthe human body there are
receptor sites for opioids.
Now that can be the naturalneurotransmitters.
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But the drug companies they gotright on it and they started
looking at opioid drugs and alsothey said, well, with these
endogenous receptor sites, withthese internal receptor sites,
we can actually make drugs thatwill affect the emotions.
So I know I'm skipping around alot here.
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It's a huge story becauseCandice wrote a book called
Molecules of Emotion, becauseshe found that all the cells in
the body seem to have receptorsfor everything you mentioned
magnesium, receptors forminerals, for neurotransmitters,
for dopamine, for GABA.
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They're all neurotransmittersthat affect our emotions but
they're also affected byemotions, affect our emotions,
but they're also affected byemotions.
So if you've got someone who'shaving a lot of negative
thoughts, that can actuallyeither shut down or open up your
neurotransmitters to theneurotransmitter that causes
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either more joy or more sadness.
It's undeniably scientific.
More sadness, it's undeniablyscientific.
And at the time I think becauseI was there at the time, I mean
I've been at this for over 50.
And a lot of people took thatup as the hippie generation.
I didn't do drugs, I studiednutrition back then in
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California and everybody, allmolecules of emotion.
Let's just meditate and dohippy-dippy things and we'll be
high and happy.
And what we know scientificallyif we go back and look at her
work is that we have to be verycareful about how we conduct
ourselves, that the morenegative thinking you have, the
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more it will affect your body,and that it is so important and
it's not to say to people, oh,just buck up and whatever it's.
No, you have.
You have a a right to feelhappy, you have a right to the
bliss state and you can be incontrol of it.
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So let's work on that.
I don't know if that fits intoyour philosophy, but when you're
looking at Parkinson's andthey're identifying dopamine as
a problem, well, let's go towhat makes dopamine.
Omega-3s and magnesium are veryimportant.
Let's start there and let's seeif, on a day when we seem to
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have positive emotions, do wefeel better.
Okay, there's your experiment.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, that's a great point because that's one of the
things I always try to talkabout is being positive, and I
always try to look at the glasshalf full and start out the
morning.
I talked a little bit about iton some other podcasts, with the
Gratitude Journal, because Ithink that helps set the course
for the day by writing downthings that I'm grateful for,
and I think exercise isimportant as well In terms of
brain health.
Is there neuron receptors frommagnesium in neurons in the
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brain?
Then that help with brainhealth.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Absolutely.
That goes back to ourconversation about the
mitochondria requiring magnesiumto make energy molecules.
So there's absolutely receptorsites.
After they did the genomeproject, they were looking at
the proteins in the body andthen there was a group that was
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looking at the magnesiumreceptors on proteins and they
came up to about 3,500 differentproteins have magnesium
receptors.
So the more we study thesethings, the more we're finding
out.
So, yes, the neurons,absolutely they.
Just they pull in magnesiumlike it's like they're starving
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and dehydrated and that wouldcome well.
It's our fifth point.
We'll get to hydration with seasalt and water.
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay, one of the things I talked about on another
podcast is oxidative stress andhow we want to try to prevent
free radicals from doing damageto our cells by, as you
mentioned, omega-3s and vitaminsand minerals.
Does magnesium help protectagainst oxidative stress?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Calcium is pro-inflammatory,magnesium is anti-inflammatory.
You can put a magnesium lotionon a painful area and it will
decrease the pain.
Magnesium IV is used inseizures and migraine headaches.
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Magnesium IV is used inseizures and migraine headaches,
for example.
You can't get a pain moredistressing than a migraine.
You can do an IV magnesium dripand get rid of migraine pain
and if a person with migrainestakes well-absorbed magnesium,
they won't get migraines anymore.
I've seen that over and overagain.
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So yeah, magnesium receptorsare everywhere.
And I keep coming back, chris,to the 2 million mitochondria
making all this ATP in the brain.
The brain, we know I think Ilearned it in med school it uses
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20% of the blood glucose, 20%of our sugar supply is used by
our little brain and that meansa lot, that there's a lot of
synaptic stuff going on, there'sa lot of activity going on and
I'm saying, if you don't supplythe magnesium to make the ATP,
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then this is our apathy, this isour fatigue, this is our
depression, it can be anxiety,where the body gets stressed out
and the adrenal glands don'thave enough magnesium and the
reaction to stress is veryerratic.
You hear whatever backfire of acar.
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I don't know if they backfireanymore, but you hear loud noise
and if you jump, if you'reeasily startled, that's
magnesium deficiency.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I think I've talked to other people as well, but
there's a lot of news out thereabout chronic inflammation
throughout the body and there'sa lot of research going on with
reducing inflammation andneuroinflammation leading to
some of the neurodegenerativediseases.
And a lot of it you read isrelated to our diet high sugar,
high saturated fats, those typeof things and when you have
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inflammation.
So magnesium is going to besomething that's going to help
modulate or reduce inflammationin the body.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
then it will.
But about the fats?
I'm not against saturated fats.
They're actually stable becausethey're saturated.
What we're looking at now asbeing very pro-inflammatory is
the omega vegetable oilssunflower, safflower, soy, corn
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and canola.
Canola was the firstgenetically engineered plant
that we're still faced with.
So what happens when you lookat even organic sunflower or
safflower?
I've been up against thisseveral times.
I'll get an organic snack inthe health food store or Costco
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and after a few days my jointswill become tight, my fingers
can't bend properly and touch mypalm.
They're swollen and thick andinflamed.
And then I'll say, oh my gosh,it's the snack.
I'll look at the packaging.
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Yeah, the oil in it issunflower or safflower.
They are pro-inflammatory.
So if people just stop thoseoils, they won't have the
tightness in their fingers,tightness in all their joints,
and feel like they're gettingrigid.
So that's one thing that peoplecan do straight out is get rid
of the sunflowers.
What do you use?
Luckily I'm in Hawaii.
(32:30):
I can use coconut oil, but youcan find coconut oil that you
can heat and it won't degrade.
Olive oil will degrade, so youdon't want to heat it.
You use that for your vegetableoils.
So just look up the naturalfats, what Bobby Kennedy is
saying now about all the omega-6vegetable oils used in frying,
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all these fast foods foods hewants them to go back to lard,
to go back to a saturated beeftallow that will not degrade and
will not harm the body.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Interesting All right .
Well, let's move on, then, totalk a little bit about looking
at the balance between minerals,then, because you mentioned
that magnesium isn't necessarilya one-size-fits-all cure-all.
So how does magnesium interactwith some of the other minerals
in terms of micronutrients?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Right, all the minerals are important.
After I put Remag on the shelf,I usually don't mention my
product names.
Excuse me, on the shelf Iusually don't mention my product
names.
Excuse me, the FDA doesn't likeme saying that my minerals or
my dietary formulas can helppeople.
Seriously, chris, I have hadthat call.
(33:52):
After I did my magnesium, Isaid I have to get a multiple
mineral, because what am I goingto tell people?
Oh, take this selenium and thatzinc and that copper on and on,
or that calcium.
So he was able to stabilize themineral ions of 12 different
minerals and in my research Iwas looking for various things
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and what I found was nine ofthose 12 minerals help make
thyroid hormones and this ishuge because there's an epidemic
of thyroid deficiency,hypothyroidism.
I myself you know familyhistory of low thyroid I was on
an armor thyroid 60 milligrams.
Six weeks after testing thismultiple mineral on myself, my
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hands were warm again, my feetwere warm and I haven't looked
back.
I went off the Armour Thyroidand with the way the hormones
work thyroid hormones let'sstart there.
Allopathic medicine waits untilyour thyroid is completely
punked out and then they say,well, we'll give you thyroid
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hormone replacement.
And they use synthetic thyroidhormone, which doesn't really
help a person a hundred percent.
Even in naturopathic medicinethey say, like my armor thyroid,
oh well, we'll use a naturalthyroid replacement.
You shouldn't have to wait forreplacement, you should use the
minerals that will make yourthyroid hormones.
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And a number of years ago theystarted to say, yeah, we need a
lot of iodine.
Yes, iodine is part of thethyroid hormone molecule, but
then you need selenium.
So people say, oh well, we'lltake both.
But there's seven more minerals.
You need copper, molybdenum,manganese, zinc.
All these minerals arenecessary.
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So for me that showed theincredible complexity and
interaction of the minerals andhow important they are.
I mean, that's a mineral thatgot a lot of play.
When I was doing the AIDS studyin New York, a lot of people
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were talking about selenium andhow in certain states in Africa,
if there was high selenium inthe water, then their incidence
of AIDS and cancer was low.
So selenium is very important.
Zinc is important for theprostate.
You've got all these minerals.
Sodium not the sodium in tablesalt, but the sodium in sea salt
is necessary for the adrenalglands If your adrenals are
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starting to get fatigued andyou're having adrenal
insufficiency which is notrecognized by allopathic
medicine until your adrenals aretotally shot and then that's
called Addison's disease.
But there is a weakness in theadrenals that will respond to
sea salt, magnesium and the Bvitamins and vitamin C.
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So what I'm kind of uncoveringhere is the undercurrent of
health, are the nutrientbuilding blocks that people are
forgetting.
I'm a medical doctor and anaturopath, so I see both sides.
In the naturopathic world, yes,we do talk about nutrients, but
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it's almost like as if theywere drugs.
Oh, you have this condition,you need this vitamin or this
mineral and you need a lot of it, and I'm sorry it's synthetic,
but that's just the way it is.
So we've lost sight of the needfor natural building blocks.
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If we could get them all in ourfood, that would be awesome,
but I know we can't.
I've got a farm experiment thatdisproves it.
So that's why my focus and itstarted with my own heart
palpitations was to getsomething that would be fully
absorbed in the mineral worldand then in the vitamin world.
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It's food-based, organic, withthe B vitamins low-potency,
methylated.
What happened back in the 70swhen I did my internship in 1979
, and in the 80s I was studyingnaturopathic medicine and all
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the supplements back in the daywere food-based and people were
benefiting.
It was amazing.
And then maybe it was more.
The drug companies, thechemists, got involved and said,
oh, we can make this vitaminsynthetically and it's going to
be much cheaper than squeezingup a bunch of oranges and
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putting it into a pill.
So what happened is, over theyears people realized as the
supplements became moresynthetic, they had to use more
of them.
The B vitamins that used to belike five milligrams in the
food-based became 50 milligramsand then a hundred.
And then we had to dointramuscular injections of them
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, because the more syntheticthey were, the harder it was for
them to get through thereceptor sites.
They had to bash their way, inwhich they did, and then people
would see some benefit.
We had the situation with thehigh B6, pyridoxine that people
were starting to get numbnessand nerve problems with this
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high dose B because it wassynthetic.
So anyway, tmi, too muchinformation.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Well, so then, in terms of looking at magnesium,
is there a target range that youwould recommend that you
between 500,.
I don't know if 500 is theupper limit or 500 is the base,
but is there a point at whichyou get too much can become
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toxic?
Or is there a target range thatyou would recommend, or is?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
there a target range that you would recommend.
Well, what's amazing aboutmagnesium and why I feel blessed
to have had magnesiumdeficiency and then be able to
bring forth the treatment for it, is that even a non-laxative
magnesium, if your cells haveenough, you will get the
laxative effect from it, becausethe body it's like.
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The default of magnesium iswhen you have enough, the body
gets rid of it.
Calcium is the opposite, andthat can be from historically.
Humans grew up around theseashore because they got a lot
of food from the sea andseawater has three times the
magnesium as it does calcium.
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So calcium at that time wasrelatively deficient.
So the way the body developedwas it held on to calcium?
It made vitamin D a hormonenutrient that helped absorb
calcium.
So there were these factors tokeep our bones strong, with
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calcium and magnesium.
I guess there was a balancethere the vitamin D and whatever
calcium they could get in theocean or with plant life.
Balanced out magnesium, and Ithink it's equal.
Balanced out magnesium, and Ithink it's equal.
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What happens in our society iswe think with women and their
bones we had to give morecalcium.
We fortified even orange juice.
We make women take calciumsupplements as soon as they hit
40, and on and on and on.
But the research on calciumsupplementation is that women
who take calcium pills are at ahigher risk for heart disease,
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bone spurs, gallstones, evenDCIS.
It's ductal cell carcinoma,which is just calcium buildup in
the breast cells, and it'scalled a pre-cancer condition,
which scares the heck out ofwomen and leads to unnecessary
surgeries.
It's calcification of breasttissue.
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Women are taking too muchcalcium.
What's the dosage now?
Well, when I started workingwith my magnesium, I couldn't
take more than 50 milligrams ofa store-bought magnesium.
But I was able to take 1,200milligrams of my magnesium
because I needed it, and Ineeded it for over a year till I
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got rid of my 20 differentmagnesium deficiency symptoms.
During all that time I didn'ttake any calcium supplements and
I think, on and off, I wouldeat some dairy.
So what I say to people is, ifyou're eating dairy and fish
with bones and your deep greenleafy vegetables and your nuts
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and seeds, you can go tosomething called a chronometer I
have it on my website Achronometer to see, well, is my
diet sufficient in calcium?
The amount of calcium Irecommend 600 milligrams, not
1,200, not 1,500.
The UK and WHO recommends 500to 700 milligrams, so I go for
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600, and I say 600 magnesium.
Now what happened to me after ayear, year and a half of 1200
milligrams?
I started my symptoms were goneand I started to get a bit of
laxative effect.
So I cut back and cut back topresently I'm only on 450
milligrams of magnesium becausethat's all my body needs.
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So everybody's different withdosages depending on how
deficient a person is, andactually how I deal with that,
Chris is.
I have an incredible customerservice staff who will talk
people through how much orwhatever, and on our label we
say just start with a quarterteaspoon, it's a liquid.
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So people who are verysensitive and we do see them
they can start with a few dropsof magnesium in their water and
that's enough to sort of wake upthe 80% of known metabolic
functions that require magnesium, and these functions are
detoxification, they're energyproduction, they're activating
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our antioxidant systems likeglutathione.
There's so much that magnesiumis doing that it's almost like
every year there's new researchthat shows how much more
magnesium is doing than we everthought.
You'll read about magnesium andmost sources will say, oh,
there's 325 different enzymeprocesses that require magnesium
(44:54):
.
It's up to 800 now and that'snot really being reported, but
this is where the research is at.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
So it's pretty much involved in every bodily
function that we have or systemthat we have in our body.
Then, and the magnesium thatyou have on your website, that's
going to be different than someof the ones that are
commercially available.
And if someone just went to oneof the drugstores, Absolutely
yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
But see the way I say it, chris, is everybody's
probably got magnesium in theircupboard and you know, look at
what you have.
If it's a capsule, take thepowder out and put it in some
water and sip it through the day.
If it's a liquid, even better.
If it's a pill, it's a littleharder.
You know, maybe cut the pill upbut take your magnesium
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throughout the day, because somepeople it'll be that well, I'll
take my two pills of magnesiumright now and then they'll get
the laxative effect and thenthey'll turn themselves off to
taking it.
So I tell people, look, don'twait, don't waste anything.
I'm Scottish background and youknow, take it through the day
and then see how you feel.
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And if the next magnesium thatyou buy you can try mine and
then compare it and see how youfeel as you're able to saturate
the body with more.
But let me I should throw inabout when you put it in your
water.
What I say about hydration isthat we need a lot of water.
Most people aren't drinkingenough, but what we've done with
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water is we've filtered out somuch of the toxins and drugs and
heavy metals.
We've also filtered out anyminerals.
So I tell people.
I tell people take your bodyweight in pounds, cut that in
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half and drink that many ouncesof water a day.
If you're 200 pounds, then youneed 100 ounces of water a day.
It sounds like a lot, but thenin every quarter liter of water
put a quarter teaspoon of a good, colorful sea salt.
If it's a white sea salt, it'sbeen refined and the minerals
have been removed.
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Quarter teaspoon in a quart ofwater and body weight.
Take half of it and drink thatmany ounces and what happens is
you start hydrating yourself andthe water will pull minerals in
and the minerals in the setinside the cell will pull water
in.
People find that they have lessankle edema when they're
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drinking sea salt water.
They actually don't even get upas much at night and to prevent
getting up at night I drinkmost of my water before like 3
pm and then I'll sip some beforeI go to bed at 8 or 9.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Okay, Now how about you mentioned sea salt?
I've seen a lot ofadvertisements for the pink
Himalayans or the Himalayan pinksalt.
Is that different than the sea?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
salt.
No, that's one of them.
No, that is good.
I'm using pink Himalayan rightnow.
I'll use Celtic sea salt aswell, just something with some
color in it.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Okay, is there any taste?
You mentioned that you put itin water.
Is it tasteless or is it?
Something that people might saywell, I don't really like the
taste of this, so I'm not goingto take it.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Right, good point, thank you.
What you start with is just puta little pinch in.
Put a pinch in and stir it up.
You won't taste that Next day.
Two pinches and work yourselfup to a quarter teaspoon.
Pinches and work yourself up toa quarter teaspoon and you'll
find that if you don't have seasalt in your water, the water
tastes really bland and boring.
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So sea salt really lightens upthe experience.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay, so there's no real, necessarily there's no
taste effect with the magnesiumthen in the water.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
The magnesium, yeah, yeah, but our magnesium is
strong and with that we'restarting, usually just with a
quarter and a half teaspoonagain until the person gets used
to it.
But because I'm so keen onvitamin C and how important that
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is for the heart for so manythings vitamin C makes collagen
which keeps your blood vesselsstrong.
If you don't have strong bloodvessels what they call bifurcate
they can develop little tearsif your collagen is weak.
They can develop little tearsif your collagen is weak and
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that's what startsatherosclerosis, because at
these tear points thecholesterol will come in and act
like a bandaid.
It's trying to help and wethink it's the bad guy, but it's
helping with these tears.
And then if you've got calciumin your blood without being
neutralized by the magnesium,that calcium will build up on
the cholesterol and there's youratherosclerotic plaque that can
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break off and cause strokes orit can close blood vessels and
cause death of tissue, includingheart attack.
So where were we going withthis, chris?
I've lost track.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
So where were we going with this, Chris?
I've lost track.
Oh we were just talking aboutthe taste, and people are going
to like it Right.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
So what I did is I made a berry powder vitamin C,
so that you have a nice berrypowder taste.
So you put a scoop of vitamin Cpowder in your drinking water
and you sip that through the dayand sipping is important.
I said it a couple times If youtake all your magnesium once,
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you could give yourself thelaxative effect.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, that was another question I had, because
I'm sure a lot of people arethinking is there any other side
effects to taking magnesiumsupplementation besides the
laxative effect?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
There are four contraindications that I talk
about in my books.
What are they?
Myasthenia gravis, heart block,bowel blockage and very low
heart rate and very low heartrate.
So there are fourcontraindications, and usually
people with those conditions areunder medical supervision and
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are being told not to takemagnesium.
So I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Okay, and then to get your magnesium, they would go
to your website, the rnaresetcom.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
That's right.
That's where my store is andyou're not going to read any
testimonials there because theFDA said, as I mentioned earlier
, that I couldn't say that myproducts help people.
My educational site is atdrcarolyndeancom and part of
it's a membership site where youcan get free eBooks and more in
(52:03):
depth information.
I have to make it a member site, so people say I don't know if
we make them sign something thatsays I'm not an FDA official so
that I can, I can.
It's about making claims.
They don't want dietarysupplement companies to make a
claim that can be misinterpretedas a health claim.
Only drugs are allowed to makehealth claims, which is crazy
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because it's only drugs that arecausing the side effects.
But anyway, so on mydrcarolyndeancom site you'll see
my interview with Chris.
That'll get posted so thatpeople can rewatch this
incredible interview, right,chris?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Now you have a couple of books that I was looking at
that I would recommend to peoplelistening, and you talked about
the one that was the MagnesiumMiracle.
You also have the Magnesium,the Missing Link to Total Health
, which you shared, and then theComplete Guide to Mental Health
was another one.
That's a new book, right, thatjust came out in January.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, that's an e-book.
I stopped doing print books forthe most part because it saves
the trees, but thank you forthat.
But let me just say one morething about books and resources
and resources.
The conflict basis ofParkinson's, according to
another modality that I studyno-transcript.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
German New Medicine.
It's Dr Hammer started it.
He said you know there wasconflict laced into disease.
As the body is trying to dealwith the conflict, the disease
state presents itself.
Not that the body is trying toattack itself, but it's just the
representation of the conflict.
(53:54):
They say of Parkinson's is youwant to reach for something but
you've been either punished forreaching for something
overreaching.
It can be represented in manyways, not even just physical,
but you want to attain somethingand you've been held back and
you're demanding that I wantthis and part of you is pulling
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back creates the tremors.
It's quite fascinating and whatI do is I refer to Danny
Carroll D-A-N-N-Y little hyphenin between C-A-R-R-O-L-L
dannycarrollcom and he has freebooks describing this
(54:44):
information in such anincredible way.
His latest book is BreastCancer is a Misdiagnosis, which
is kind of shocking, and in thefirst few chapters he describes
the whole German new medicineconflict approach.
That I mean it'll blow yourmind.
It is very importantinformation and it's information
(55:06):
that will never reach ourallopathic medical system.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
That's fascinating.
I'll have to check that out.
In addition to nutrients likemagnesium, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I have to check that out, in addition to nutrients
like magnesium.
In terms of other alternativetherapies, I know one of the
things getting the energyflowing in the body.
But I'll tell you straight out,chris, any energy medicine
laying on of hands, massage,acupuncture, anything that you
can come up with it doesn't workas well if your minerals aren't
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in balance.
The whole electricalconductivity of the body depends
on minerals and if you don'thave them, then that's why they
can't say that acupuncturealways works.
You know, once I startedgetting into the whole mineral
world, I realized I don't reallyhave to look at or, you know,
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discuss anything.
You get to the point where, oh,I have this, you know, neck
pain, let me, let me go get someacupuncture.
And I say the same about I mean, there's methylene blue.
Apparently, bobby Kendi wasusing methylene blue, the liquid
toxic antioxidant, andeverybody oh, I have to take
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this Methylene blue cold shockbath bags.
All these things are trying totreat the symptoms of mineral
and vitamin deficiencies.
In my opinion, when I do any ofthose things like yeah, I mean
methylene blue, it's been arounda long time, I've tried it, I
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tried it again recently Doesn'tdo a thing for me.
I don't feel anything becauseI'm pretty balanced as it is.
So I guess my final statementwould be so many of us are
magnesium deficient and we don'tknow it and we just think
magnesium is a laxative.
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So we just go looking aroundfor something else that will
help us.
But if we could be centered andfocused on doing enough vitamins
and minerals in the form thatis absorbed, our bodies will
respond and then we'll knowwhat's left over.
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Is there a genetic something?
Are we being poisoned bysomething?
Are we living in a toxic, moldyhouse?
Then those things have to bedealt with separately.
But we're just going down somany avenues.
There's so much commercialismin nutrients now, and the drug
companies are starting to takeover the supplement companies,
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that we're really not sure whoto trust or what to trust.
You trust yourself.
You try something and see if itworks.
If it doesn't make a difference, you move on.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Great.
So the key takeaways, then aremake sure you get magnesium and
because that's going to helpaddress a lot of the issues that
that we have and you would taketake it and as you start to
feel better, you could reducethe level based on what you said
, because you said you startedout at what I think 1200
milligrams and now you're downto 450 milligrams.
So it's making sure that youget the magnesium and then try
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to eat, you know, make sure youget vitamin C and some of the
other, make sure you get yourother vitamins and minerals as
well, because they're all goingto work synergistically together
, I guess and then just continueto try to eat a healthy diet,
live a positive lifestyle andmake sure magnesium is a big
part of that.
It's, I guess, another keything.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
That's right.
That's right Because you'vebeen saying all these things,
even with the sugar podcast youdid, to which I'd say just yeah,
add a good magnesium, and youknow, mine is the good magnesium
.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
All right, and they can go to your website and get
that at bernaresetcom correct.
And you have a bunch availablethere.
So I'd like to thank you forjoining me today.
This has been great.
I've learned a lot and, inaddition, I'd like to just as a
final call to action is, justhave people visit my website as
well, liveparkinsonscom.
They can subscribe to the freemonthly newsletter.
(59:34):
But I really appreciate thetime and you're helping a lot of
people with the message thatyou're putting out there.
So thanks again for being partof the program and I look
forward to reading some of yourbooks and getting a little more
information.
So thanks again.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Thank you, chris, oh, and you are helping so many
people and I appreciate yourwork, thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, thank you very much and have a wonderful day,
and thanks everybody forlistening.
and live an exceptional life.
I'm your host, chrisKastenbader, and I've been
living an exceptional life withParkinson's for the past 15
years.
This podcast is about sharingscience, stories and strategies
to help you live your best lifewith Parkinson's for the past 15
years.
This podcast is about sharingscience, stories and strategies
to help you live your best lifewith Parkinson's.
Now, today, I'm honored to haveDr Carolyn Dean, md, nd.
Now.
Dr Dean has been researchingnutrients, homeopathy and
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alternative therapies for overfive decades.
She integrated her applicationof alternative therapies along
with traditional medicine.
She became one of the firstfunctional medicine doctors in
Canada, and her credentialsinclude training as a certified
dietitian, nutritionist,naturopath and Chinese medicine
herbalist.
Dr Dean became a best-sellingauthor with her landmark thesis
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on magnesium with her book theMagnesium Miracle in 2017, which
became one of the most highlyreferenced publications on
magnesium by healthcareprofessionals and consumers
alike.
In 2014, dr Dean launched RNAReset, where she used her
knowledge and experience todevelop proprietary, unique
formulations that give everyindividual, at any stage of
wellness or illness, thenecessary building blocks to
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sustain health, vitality andwell-being.
Dr Dean hosts a weekly podcastMondays at 7 pm, eastern
Standard Time, called the DrDean Podcast, and Dr Dean
believes in sharing factual,validated health information,
and that's one of thecornerstones of this podcast as
well sharing evidence-basedinformation to help you live a
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great quality of life.
So, without further ado,welcome, dr Dean.
It's a great pleasure to haveyou.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Well, thank you, Chris, and call me Carolyn.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
Okay, carolyn.
Well, thanks for being on thepodcast today.
Now what I wanted to do is justgive everybody a quick roadmap
of where we'll be going today,and we're going to break it down
into five different segments.
So we'll start off with givingyou a foundation on magnesium,
so we'll try to understand whatmagnesium's role is in the body
and the brain.
Then, in segment two, we'lltalk a little bit about
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magnesium's impact on brainhealth in terms of memory, focus
and mental health.
And then, segment three, we'lltalk a little bit about
neuroprotection and do a littlebit of a scientific deep dive on
how magnesium can protect thebrain and help with
neurodegeneration.
And then, segment four, we'lltalk about how the minerals work
together magnesium and some ofthe other minerals and then in
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segment five, we'll talk alittle bit about some practical
strategies that you can all useto help incorporate these into
your daily life so that you canlive a healthier and more vital
and vibrant life.
Sound good.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Sounds good.
I know a lot of podcasts I do.
We tend to go all over theplace, so it'd be interesting to
see if we can keep on track.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Well, let's see what we can do All right.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
Okay, so you want to know about magnesium?
I should just say this isbackwards.
This is my magnesium book, but,chris, I wrote it in 1999.
And the 2017 edition was likethe third edition and it went
from 300 pages to 600 pages.
(03:30):
So what I did last year waswrite what's this called
Magnesium, the Missing Link toTotal Health Shorter book, much
easier for people to delve into.
Magnesium was my way of gettinghealthy because when I was in
New York in the late 90s I wasdoing AIDS and chronic fatigue
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research using natural protocolsand I was on a lot of New York
TV and a publishing companyRandom House asked me to write a
book on magnesium because Iguess I was talking on.
I was on the View a lot talkingabout magnesium.
So I wrote the book.
It was supposed to come out onlaunch on the day of nine.
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I was in New York during 9-11.
So that put it back a couple ofyears because everything just
shut down New York.
But in my world, when I startedlooking at the research on
magnesium to write the book,first of all I thought how can I
write 300 pages on one mineral?
And I found out that my legcramps, heart palpitations, neck
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pain, insomnia dozens ofsymptoms were magnesium
deficiency.
So I thought, wow, I'vediscovered the holy grail.
But then when I went to thehealth food store to get a
bottle of magnesium so I couldtake more than was in my
multiple.
I got an immediate laxativeeffect.
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So as soon as we got themagnesium miracle out I guess it
was 2001, I began research totry to find a non-laxative
magnesium for myself.
Couldn't find a company thatwas interested, so I got a
chemist who was able to make anon-laxative magnesium, which is
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.
I had to create my own companyto get this done.
It's a stabilized ion ofmagnesium that the body accepts
without a laxative effect andyou're able to take enough to
help your brain and your wholebody.
Up until this time, people whotry to take magnesium to help
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all their magnesium deficiencysymptoms, they get the laxative
effect and they stop before theyget to tilt.
To be fully saturated.
I've defined in this book isover 65 conditions, including
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Parkinson's, alzheimer's,dementia, over 65 conditions
that could truly be magnesiumdeficiency.
But they're misdiagnosedBecause in medicine I guess the
way I'd say it I'd say Chris iswe look at the macro level, the
macro of, even in diet, proteins, fats, sugars.
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We look at the macro and it'sgotten into the drug macro.
We are not looking at nutrientsin any productive way and it's
because doctors, researchers,never learned about nutrients in
their scientific training.
There's no blood test formagnesium that's reliable.
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If you look at an electrolytepanel, magnesium isn't even
mentioned.
Yet 80% of known metabolicfunctions require magnesium.
Metabolic functions requiremagnesium, 80% In the brain
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where energy is made, the ATPenergy in the Krebs cycle, krebs
cycle is in the mitochondria.
So mitochondria, the energyfactory running energy molecules
through the Krebs cycle In thebrain, each neuron molecules
through the Krebs cycle In thebrain, each neuron, of which
there are 86 billion, eachneuron has 2 million
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mitochondria.
The heart, which I always usedto think, had the most magnesium
because it had to keep yourheart rhythm going properly.
The heart cell muscle only has5,000.
So you are looking at what Twomillion mitochondria in each
neuron to make energy, to makethe brain work properly.
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And the clincher of the wholething is ATP doesn't work unless
it's attached to magnesium.
So every energy molecule that'smade in all these mitochondria
and all these neurons, theyrequire so much magnesium that
we are not getting.
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I say about 80% of thepopulation is magnesium
deficient.
Everybody knows magnesium isimportant.
But they've gotten to the pointof saying well, you know, it
gives me the laxative effect,I'm not going to take it and
then they go off with theirmagnesium deficiency symptoms to
take drugs to try to treatmagnesium deficiency.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
So how would someone recognize that they're magnesium
deficient?
You mentioned?
There's really no blood testfor it.
How would someone recognizethat they're magnesium deficient
, you mentioned?
Speaker 2 (08:45):
there's really no blood test for it.
Well, there are blood tests butthey're inaccurate.
I mean, I facetiously would sayeverybody needs magnesium.
If you have insomnia, if youhave headaches, if you have
twitches you know the eyelidtwitch if you have aches or
pains or numbness or tingling.
Anything to do with muscles andnerves requires a balancing of
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magnesium and the blood test,the serum magnesium test.
It has a very narrow range.
What happens is becausemagnesium is so vital to the
body, when that narrow rangegoes down too low, below quote
normal, then the body will pullmagnesium out of muscles and
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bones and always keep that range.
So that's why doctors say whybother doing a serum magnesium
test?
It's always okay.
And what happens is inconditions like seizures, or
even in the seizures ofeclampsia in pregnancy, what do
they do?
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They put up an intravenousmagnesium drip.
The testing that I've beenworking with in research, where
we've done university studies,where we use an ionized
magnesium blood test, but that'snot available to the public,
the one in between is RBC, redblood cell magnesium.
It has a wider range and I justtell people well, just look to
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be at the top of that range.
If the test is 4.2 to 6.8, andyou're 4.3, and your doctor says
you're fine.
You're not fine, you're too low.
So you can follow your symptoms.
You can follow the RBC bloodtest.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, Well, I guess this is a two-part question then
.
So how do people get magnesiumin their diet?
What types of foods?
And then the second part ofthat would they have the same
absorption through their diet asthey would with supplementation
?
Speaker 2 (10:52):
Okay.
So the diet factor is veryinteresting because magnesium is
not in most agricultural soilanymore.
A hundred years ago, the USDepartment of Agriculture found
500 milligrams of magnesium inthe average diet.
Now we're lucky to get 200milligrams and we need five or
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600 milligrams, so the dietisn't helping you.
In order to figure out the dietaspect, and also for food
security, I live in Maui and allmy extra funding goes to an
organic farm and I can't dowithout my magnesium
supplementation and just eat offthe farm, even though it's
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organic, and we put extraminerals on the soil.
There's either something aboutthe extra stress that we have in
our environment, the toxicity,all those things that are making
our food not the source of ourmagnesium.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
Okay, so supplementation is going to be
key then, and we'll talk alittle bit about your
proprietary formula a little bitlater here, but that's what's
going to help make sure that weget the 500 milligrams of
magnesium.
Okay and then?
So why do you think there'ssuch an epidemic of magnesium
deficiency?
Is it just because of youmentioned a couple of things,
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that agriculture, the stress isthere anything else that might
play a role?
Anything else?
Speaker 2 (12:23):
that might play a role.
Sure, chlorine in the waterwill bind away magnesium.
Fluoride is even worse.
Fluoride and magnesium whenthey bind together they make a
brittle substance called cellateand that deposits in tendons
and joints and muscles.
So it actually causes sideeffects.
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And there's a lot of fluoridedrugs now on the market.
I'd say now, but maybe the past15, 20 years they realized that
if you bound fluoride moleculesin with a pharmaceutical
compound it would help it getacross the fatty cell membranes
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into cells.
So 80% of our common drugsProzac and certain anesthetics
inhaled anesthetics.
In surgical procedures theyhave fluoride, dental products,
fluoride.
You go to a doctor and they'restill saying oh, I'll give you a
fluoride treatment to stop youfrom getting cavities.
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Now that's been disproven, butfor the doctors I guess it's a
moneymaker, it's a poison and itbinds up magnesium.
So drugs are binding magnesium.
After surgery a lot of peoplewill have heart palpitations and
they'll be put on beta blockersor different drugs.
It's a magnesium deficiency, thestress, the toxins and all the
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rest of it.
When you have a lot of heavymetals in the environment
mercury, people with mercuryfillings you bind up mineral
receptor sites with heavy metals.
If you don't have enoughminerals to be where they're
supposed to be.
So the more deficient you arein your magnesium or your
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selenium or your zinc or yourcopper, then the more likely you
are to pull in these heavymetals, because they're in the
air, they're in drugs, they'rein our food supply.
You test any water sourceanywhere in the world there'll
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be heavy metals and chemicalsand prescription drugs.
So we're kind of fighting abattle and I'm not negative
about that because I know, withthe proper nutrients I'm not
negative about that because Iknow with the proper nutrients
food-based vitamins, methylatedBs, bs, picometer-stable ions of
minerals we have a fightingchance.
Here I am.
In 2000, let's say 25 years ago, I found out I was magnesium
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deficient and I felt I was inbad shape.
So here I am, I'm 76 now and Ifeel better than I did when I
was 30.
It's because I make sure mycells are completely healthy and
happy and we'll get into moreof the brain effects and what's
going on, as you say, withresearch, and I'm not going to
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make it all about magnesium, butit is the baseline of what
people really need to stayhealthy.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
So, in terms of supplementation, not all
supplements are going to be thesame, then right, and how your
body absorbs the magnesium.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Right, yes, the absorption.
So in the diet there is someresearch that will say well, a
healthy gut will absorb whatever10 to 40% of a nutrient into
40% of a nutrient.
So when you take a supplementand it's 100 milligrams of
something, then you have tofactor well, only 10 milligrams,
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maybe 40 milligrams, will getthrough the gut and then in the
bloodstream.
What are the transporters forthese various supplements?
The compound of a mineral.
Our magnesium is derived frommagnesium chloride.
But if you just took amagnesium chloride pill, in the
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bloodstream that compound withthese two factors, magnesium and
chloride, has to disassociateinto the ions of magnesium and
the ions of chloride In theinfinitesimal second.
That magnesium is an ion.
That's when it's absorbed intothe cell.
Magnesium is so hyperactiveit'll join right back up or join
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the fluoride or immediatelybecome a compound again, because
an ion is unstable.
But what my chemist did wasstabilize the ions of magnesium
and the other minerals so thatthey stay as ions and they're
allowed to go and pass throughthe cell mineral ion channel
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which is the size of an ion.
That's all that can get intocells.
And in our research in PurdueUniversity they did an
experiment where they shone alaser through our liquid
magnesium and it didn't bounceoff any solid substance because
it's in an ionic state, so it'snot a solid, it's below
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microscopic level.
So this is the biochemistry ofminerals With vitamins.
What happens with vitamin C?
It's transporter.
Chris, this is very fascinatingbecause I heard your sugar
podcast.
The transporter of vitamin C,ascorbic acid.
The transporter of vitamin C,ascorbic acid, is insulin, and
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insulin transports glucose,sugar.
They fight.
If you have a lot of sugar inyour diet, you will get the
transporter pulling up theglucose and ignoring the vitamin
C.
Vitamin C won't get into yourcells properly, where it is
absolutely necessary to detoxifythe metabolic byproducts of
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energy, the breakdown of thesugar.
If sugar is not broken downproperly, it'll turn into
sorbitol, which is a crystallinesugar, and it'll hang out in
the cell and can't get back outand that's what causes the cell
damage in, say, diabetes orneuropathies.
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So vitamin C, as I said, it'scompeting with the glucose.
So it means we have to stop oursugars and take more vitamin C.
Speaker 1 (18:57):
Interesting Now is there specific receptor sites on
the cell membrane for themagnesium to go through to get
into the cell?
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Mineral ion channels that are actually coordinated by
magnesium.
Let's go back to how cellsfunction.
A lot of the activity in cellsis caused by calcium.
Calcium will cause a nerveaction potential or a muscle to
fire.
So in order for calcium to getinto a cell, magnesium has to
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open up the cell.
If you don't have enoughmagnesium, calcium will just
sort of jam up the cell andcause disruption of the cell,
irritability, the twitching.
A lot of the magnesiumdeficiency symptoms are calcium
excess symptoms.
Magnesium and calcium aresupposed to be kind of a
one-to-one ratio Somehow.
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Actually it was amistranslation of a French
researcher who said never taketwo times the amount of calcium
as magnesium.
It causes problems.
So it was translated into weneed twice the amount of calcium
as magnesium and all the.
I don't know if it's changedlately, but five years ago all
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the calcium-magnesiumsupplements had two parts
calcium, one part magnesium andit almost should be the other
way around.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Interesting.
Now this will probably lead usinto the next segment, on
neuroprotection andneuroinflammation and having
Parkinson's myself.
One of the things we talk abouta lot is what I've talked about
before is the gut-brain axis.
There's a lot of research goingon that and correct me if I'm
wrong, but I think I read that70% of our immune system is in
our GI tract and that in termsof Parkinson's, a lot of the
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misfolded the alpha-synucleinproteins get misfolded and can
be transported up to the brainvia, like the vagus nerve
pathway.
Will magnesium help with thatin terms of being transported to
the brain to help withneuroinflammation or
neuroprotection?
I?
Speaker 2 (21:03):
don't know if that question makes sense.
Well, it's a huge question, Alot of layers there.
Let's see how to go about that.
Yes, In the, in the gut, wemake 90% of our serotonin.
I don't.
I don't know about dopamine andI know with Parkinson's.
The whole L-DOPA business isquite fascinating.
L-dopa is the drug thatsupposedly is a precursor to
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make more dopamine.
I don't know that it works thatwell in the sense that how can
a synthetic substance create anatural substance?
So there's some force that'sgoing on with, say, high doses
of L-Dopa that will force theproduction of dopamine.
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That's the way they're lookingat treating Parkinson's.
And what I said about the wholemacro business is that's the
macro level.
This is what dopamine is lacking, let's get more dopamine.
And what they're missingentirely is, well, what is
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making dopamine?
And magnesium is involved.
I think they're kind ofsidebarring in Parkinson's to
NMDA and BDNF, brain-derivedneurotrophic factor, and NMDAs
and methyl aspartate.
Those are protein.
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They could be peptides thatfunction to.
If they're deficient, then theyfind this deficiency in
Parkinson's.
So they're thinking, okay, wehave to increase BDNF and they
don't know how to do it.
Again, magnesium is necessaryfor the creation of these
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proteins, which is, it'sfascinating proteins, which is
fascinating.
Omega-3 fatty acids isnecessary, I think it's for the
BDNF part.
Stress depletes BDNF, sugardepletes BDNF.
And on the positive side, theomegas, the magnesium,
relaxation, exercise, walkingall that.
When you look at those factors,the pros and cons of BDNF, you
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will never get a drug that willincrease BDNF.
And this is what we have torecognize in a lot of the
chronic diseases is with thepharmaceutical companies taking
over and just saying, oh well,we found this receptor and then
we can manipulate it.
It goes back to the days ofCandice Pert.
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I don't know if you ever cameacross her.
She was the PhD researcher thatdiscovered the opioid receptors
.
So she found, oh my gosh, inthe human body there are
receptor sites for opioids.
Now that can be the naturalneurotransmitters.
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But the drug companies they gotright on it and they started
looking at opioid drugs and alsothey said, well, with these
endogenous receptor sites, withthese internal receptor sites,
we can actually make drugs thatwill affect the emotions.
So I know I'm skipping around alot here.
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It's a huge story becauseCandice wrote a book called
Molecules of Emotion, becauseshe found that all the cells in
the body seem to have receptorsfor everything you mentioned
magnesium, receptors forminerals, for neurotransmitters,
for dopamine, for GABA.
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They're all neurotransmittersthat affect our emotions but
they're also affected byemotions, affect our emotions,
but they're also affected byemotions.
So if you've got someone who'shaving a lot of negative
thoughts, that can actuallyeither shut down or open up your
neurotransmitters to theneurotransmitter that causes
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either more joy or more sadness.
It's undeniably scientific.
More sadness, it's undeniablyscientific.
And at the time I think becauseI was there at the time, I mean
I've been at this for over 50.
And a lot of people took thatup as the hippie generation.
I didn't do drugs, I studiednutrition back then in
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California and everybody, allmolecules of emotion.
Let's just meditate and dohippy-dippy things and we'll be
high and happy.
And what we know scientificallyif we go back and look at her
work is that we have to be verycareful about how we conduct
ourselves, that the morenegative thinking you have, the
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more it will affect your body,and that it is so important and
it's not to say to people, oh,just buck up and whatever it's.
No, you have.
You have a a right to feelhappy, you have a right to the
bliss state and you can be incontrol of it.
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So let's work on that.
I don't know if that fits intoyour philosophy, but when you're
looking at Parkinson's andthey're identifying dopamine as
a problem, well, let's go towhat makes dopamine.
Omega-3s and magnesium are veryimportant.
Let's start there and let's seeif, on a day when we seem to
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have positive emotions, do wefeel better.
Okay, there's your experiment.
Speaker 1 (26:48):
Yeah, that's a great point because that's one of the
things I always try to talkabout is being positive, and I
always try to look at the glasshalf full and start out the
morning.
I talked a little bit about iton some other podcasts, with the
Gratitude Journal, because Ithink that helps set the course
for the day by writing downthings that I'm grateful for,
and I think exercise isimportant as well In terms of
brain health.
Is there neuron receptors frommagnesium in neurons in the
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brain?
Then that help with brainhealth.
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Absolutely.
That goes back to ourconversation about the
mitochondria requiring magnesiumto make energy molecules.
So there's absolutely receptorsites.
After they did the genomeproject, they were looking at
the proteins in the body andthen there was a group that was
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looking at the magnesiumreceptors on proteins and they
came up to about 3,500 differentproteins have magnesium
receptors.
So the more we study thesethings, the more we're finding
out.
So, yes, the neurons,absolutely they.
Just they pull in magnesiumlike it's like they're starving
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and dehydrated and that wouldcome well.
It's our fifth point.
We'll get to hydration with seasalt and water.
It's very important.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
Okay, one of the things I talked about on another
podcast is oxidative stress andhow we want to try to prevent
free radicals from doing damageto our cells by, as you
mentioned, omega-3s and vitaminsand minerals.
Does magnesium help protectagainst oxidative stress?
Speaker 2 (28:36):
Absolutely, absolutely.
Calcium is pro-inflammatory,magnesium is anti-inflammatory.
You can put a magnesium lotionon a painful area and it will
decrease the pain.
Magnesium IV is used inseizures and migraine headaches.
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Magnesium IV is used inseizures and migraine headaches,
for example.
You can't get a pain moredistressing than a migraine.
You can do an IV magnesium dripand get rid of migraine pain
and if a person with migrainestakes well-absorbed magnesium,
they won't get migraines anymore.
I've seen that over and overagain.
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So yeah, magnesium receptorsare everywhere.
And I keep coming back, chris,to the 2 million mitochondria
making all this ATP in the brain.
The brain, we know I think Ilearned it in med school it uses
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20% of the blood glucose, 20%of our sugar supply is used by
our little brain and that meansa lot, that there's a lot of
synaptic stuff going on, there'sa lot of activity going on and
I'm saying, if you don't supplythe magnesium to make the ATP,
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then this is our apathy, this isour fatigue, this is our
depression, it can be anxiety,where the body gets stressed out
and the adrenal glands don'thave enough magnesium and the
reaction to stress is veryerratic.
You hear whatever backfire of acar.
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I don't know if they backfireanymore, but you hear loud noise
and if you jump, if you'reeasily startled, that's
magnesium deficiency.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I think I've talked to other people as well, but
there's a lot of news out thereabout chronic inflammation
throughout the body and there'sa lot of research going on with
reducing inflammation andneuroinflammation leading to
some of the neurodegenerativediseases.
And a lot of it you read isrelated to our diet high sugar,
high saturated fats, those typeof things and when you have
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inflammation.
So magnesium is going to besomething that's going to help
modulate or reduce inflammationin the body.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
then it will.
But about the fats?
I'm not against saturated fats.
They're actually stable becausethey're saturated.
What we're looking at now asbeing very pro-inflammatory is
the omega vegetable oilssunflower, safflower, soy, corn
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and canola.
Canola was the firstgenetically engineered plant
that we're still faced with.
So what happens when you lookat even organic sunflower or
safflower?
I've been up against thisseveral times.
I'll get an organic snack inthe health food store or Costco
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and after a few days my jointswill become tight, my fingers
can't bend properly and touch mypalm.
They're swollen and thick andinflamed.
And then I'll say, oh my gosh,it's the snack.
I'll look at the packaging.
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Yeah, the oil in it issunflower or safflower.
They are pro-inflammatory.
So if people just stop thoseoils, they won't have the
tightness in their fingers,tightness in all their joints,
and feel like they're gettingrigid.
So that's one thing that peoplecan do straight out is get rid
of the sunflowers.
What do you use?
Luckily I'm in Hawaii.
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I can use coconut oil, but youcan find coconut oil that you
can heat and it won't degrade.
Olive oil will degrade, so youdon't want to heat it.
You use that for your vegetableoils.
So just look up the naturalfats, what Bobby Kennedy is
saying now about all the omega-6vegetable oils used in frying,
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all these fast foods foods hewants them to go back to lard,
to go back to a saturated beeftallow that will not degrade and
will not harm the body.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
Interesting All right .
Well, let's move on, then, totalk a little bit about looking
at the balance between minerals,then, because you mentioned
that magnesium isn't necessarilya one-size-fits-all cure-all.
So how does magnesium interactwith some of the other minerals
in terms of micronutrients?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Right, all the minerals are important.
After I put Remag on the shelf,I usually don't mention my
product names.
Excuse me, on the shelf Iusually don't mention my product
names.
Excuse me, the FDA doesn't likeme saying that my minerals or
my dietary formulas can helppeople.
Seriously, chris, I have hadthat call.
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After I did my magnesium, Isaid I have to get a multiple
mineral, because what am I goingto tell people?
Oh, take this selenium and thatzinc and that copper on and on,
or that calcium.
So he was able to stabilize themineral ions of 12 different
minerals and in my research Iwas looking for various things
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and what I found was nine ofthose 12 minerals help make
thyroid hormones and this ishuge because there's an epidemic
of thyroid deficiency,hypothyroidism.
I myself you know familyhistory of low thyroid I was on
an armor thyroid 60 milligrams.
Six weeks after testing thismultiple mineral on myself, my
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hands were warm again, my feetwere warm and I haven't looked
back.
I went off the Armour Thyroidand with the way the hormones
work thyroid hormones let'sstart there.
Allopathic medicine waits untilyour thyroid is completely
punked out and then they say,well, we'll give you thyroid
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hormone replacement.
And they use synthetic thyroidhormone, which doesn't really
help a person a hundred percent.
Even in naturopathic medicinethey say, like my armor thyroid,
oh well, we'll use a naturalthyroid replacement.
You shouldn't have to wait forreplacement, you should use the
minerals that will make yourthyroid hormones.
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And a number of years ago theystarted to say, yeah, we need a
lot of iodine.
Yes, iodine is part of thethyroid hormone molecule, but
then you need selenium.
So people say, oh well, we'lltake both.
But there's seven more minerals.
You need copper, molybdenum,manganese, zinc.
All these minerals arenecessary.
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So for me that showed theincredible complexity and
interaction of the minerals andhow important they are.
I mean, that's a mineral thatgot a lot of play.
When I was doing the AIDS studyin New York, a lot of people
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were talking about selenium andhow in certain states in Africa,
if there was high selenium inthe water, then their incidence
of AIDS and cancer was low.
So selenium is very important.
Zinc is important for theprostate.
You've got all these minerals.
Sodium not the sodium in tablesalt, but the sodium in sea salt
is necessary for the adrenalglands If your adrenals are
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starting to get fatigued andyou're having adrenal
insufficiency which is notrecognized by allopathic
medicine until your adrenals aretotally shot and then that's
called Addison's disease.
But there is a weakness in theadrenals that will respond to
sea salt, magnesium and the Bvitamins and vitamin C.
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So what I'm kind of uncoveringhere is the undercurrent of
health, are the nutrientbuilding blocks that people are
forgetting.
I'm a medical doctor and anaturopath, so I see both sides.
In the naturopathic world, yes,we do talk about nutrients, but
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it's almost like as if theywere drugs.
Oh, you have this condition,you need this vitamin or this
mineral and you need a lot of it, and I'm sorry it's synthetic,
but that's just the way it is.
So we've lost sight of the needfor natural building blocks.
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If we could get them all in ourfood, that would be awesome,
but I know we can't.
I've got a farm experiment thatdisproves it.
So that's why my focus and itstarted with my own heart
palpitations was to getsomething that would be fully
absorbed in the mineral worldand then in the vitamin world.
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It's food-based, organic, withthe B vitamins low-potency,
methylated.
What happened back in the 70swhen I did my internship in 1979
, and in the 80s I was studyingnaturopathic medicine and all
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the supplements back in the daywere food-based and people were
benefiting.
It was amazing.
And then maybe it was more.
The drug companies, thechemists, got involved and said,
oh, we can make this vitaminsynthetically and it's going to
be much cheaper than squeezingup a bunch of oranges and
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putting it into a pill.
So what happened is, over theyears people realized as the
supplements became moresynthetic, they had to use more
of them.
The B vitamins that used to belike five milligrams in the
food-based became 50 milligramsand then a hundred.
And then we had to dointramuscular injections of them
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, because the more syntheticthey were, the harder it was for
them to get through thereceptor sites.
They had to bash their way, inwhich they did, and then people
would see some benefit.
We had the situation with thehigh B6, pyridoxine that people
were starting to get numbnessand nerve problems with this
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high dose B because it wassynthetic.
So anyway, tmi, too muchinformation.
Speaker 1 (39:33):
Well, so then, in terms of looking at magnesium,
is there a target range that youwould recommend that you
between 500,.
I don't know if 500 is theupper limit or 500 is the base,
but is there a point at whichyou get too much can become
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toxic?
Or is there a target range thatyou would recommend, or is?
Speaker 2 (39:59):
there a target range that you would recommend.
Well, what's amazing aboutmagnesium and why I feel blessed
to have had magnesiumdeficiency and then be able to
bring forth the treatment for it, is that even a non-laxative
magnesium, if your cells haveenough, you will get the
laxative effect from it, becausethe body it's like.
(40:20):
The default of magnesium iswhen you have enough, the body
gets rid of it.
Calcium is the opposite, andthat can be from historically.
Humans grew up around theseashore because they got a lot
of food from the sea andseawater has three times the
magnesium as it does calcium.
(40:40):
So calcium at that time wasrelatively deficient.
So the way the body developedwas it held on to calcium?
It made vitamin D a hormonenutrient that helped absorb
calcium.
So there were these factors tokeep our bones strong, with
(41:04):
calcium and magnesium.
I guess there was a balancethere the vitamin D and whatever
calcium they could get in theocean or with plant life.
Balanced out magnesium, and Ithink it's equal.
Balanced out magnesium, and Ithink it's equal.
(41:24):
What happens in our society iswe think with women and their
bones we had to give morecalcium.
We fortified even orange juice.
We make women take calciumsupplements as soon as they hit
40, and on and on and on.
But the research on calciumsupplementation is that women
who take calcium pills are at ahigher risk for heart disease,
(41:45):
bone spurs, gallstones, evenDCIS.
It's ductal cell carcinoma,which is just calcium buildup in
the breast cells, and it'scalled a pre-cancer condition,
which scares the heck out ofwomen and leads to unnecessary
surgeries.
It's calcification of breasttissue.
(42:07):
Women are taking too muchcalcium.
What's the dosage now?
Well, when I started workingwith my magnesium, I couldn't
take more than 50 milligrams ofa store-bought magnesium.
But I was able to take 1,200milligrams of my magnesium
because I needed it, and Ineeded it for over a year till I
(42:30):
got rid of my 20 differentmagnesium deficiency symptoms.
During all that time I didn'ttake any calcium supplements and
I think, on and off, I wouldeat some dairy.
So what I say to people is, ifyou're eating dairy and fish
with bones and your deep greenleafy vegetables and your nuts
(42:53):
and seeds, you can go tosomething called a chronometer I
have it on my website Achronometer to see, well, is my
diet sufficient in calcium?
The amount of calcium Irecommend 600 milligrams, not
1,200, not 1,500.
The UK and WHO recommends 500to 700 milligrams, so I go for
(43:19):
600, and I say 600 magnesium.
Now what happened to me after ayear, year and a half of 1200
milligrams?
I started my symptoms were goneand I started to get a bit of
laxative effect.
So I cut back and cut back topresently I'm only on 450
milligrams of magnesium becausethat's all my body needs.
(43:41):
So everybody's different withdosages depending on how
deficient a person is, andactually how I deal with that,
Chris is.
I have an incredible customerservice staff who will talk
people through how much orwhatever, and on our label we
say just start with a quarterteaspoon, it's a liquid.
(44:02):
So people who are verysensitive and we do see them
they can start with a few dropsof magnesium in their water and
that's enough to sort of wake upthe 80% of known metabolic
functions that require magnesium, and these functions are
detoxification, they're energyproduction, they're activating
(44:28):
our antioxidant systems likeglutathione.
There's so much that magnesiumis doing that it's almost like
every year there's new researchthat shows how much more
magnesium is doing than we everthought.
You'll read about magnesium andmost sources will say, oh,
there's 325 different enzymeprocesses that require magnesium
(44:54):
.
It's up to 800 now and that'snot really being reported, but
this is where the research is at.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
So it's pretty much involved in every bodily
function that we have or systemthat we have in our body.
Then, and the magnesium thatyou have on your website, that's
going to be different than someof the ones that are
commercially available.
And if someone just went to oneof the drugstores, Absolutely
yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:19):
But see the way I say it, chris, is everybody's
probably got magnesium in theircupboard and you know, look at
what you have.
If it's a capsule, take thepowder out and put it in some
water and sip it through the day.
If it's a liquid, even better.
If it's a pill, it's a littleharder.
You know, maybe cut the pill upbut take your magnesium
(45:41):
throughout the day, because somepeople it'll be that well, I'll
take my two pills of magnesiumright now and then they'll get
the laxative effect and thenthey'll turn themselves off to
taking it.
So I tell people, look, don'twait, don't waste anything.
I'm Scottish background and youknow, take it through the day
and then see how you feel.
(46:03):
And if the next magnesium thatyou buy you can try mine and
then compare it and see how youfeel as you're able to saturate
the body with more.
But let me I should throw inabout when you put it in your
water.
What I say about hydration isthat we need a lot of water.
Most people aren't drinkingenough, but what we've done with
(46:25):
water is we've filtered out somuch of the toxins and drugs and
heavy metals.
We've also filtered out anyminerals.
So I tell people.
I tell people take your bodyweight in pounds, cut that in
(46:46):
half and drink that many ouncesof water a day.
If you're 200 pounds, then youneed 100 ounces of water a day.
It sounds like a lot, but thenin every quarter liter of water
put a quarter teaspoon of a good, colorful sea salt.
If it's a white sea salt, it'sbeen refined and the minerals
have been removed.
(47:06):
Quarter teaspoon in a quart ofwater and body weight.
Take half of it and drink thatmany ounces and what happens is
you start hydrating yourself andthe water will pull minerals in
and the minerals in the setinside the cell will pull water
in.
People find that they have lessankle edema when they're
(47:30):
drinking sea salt water.
They actually don't even get upas much at night and to prevent
getting up at night I drinkmost of my water before like 3
pm and then I'll sip some beforeI go to bed at 8 or 9.
Speaker 1 (47:48):
Okay, Now how about you mentioned sea salt?
I've seen a lot ofadvertisements for the pink
Himalayans or the Himalayan pinksalt.
Is that different than the sea?
Speaker 2 (47:57):
salt.
No, that's one of them.
No, that is good.
I'm using pink Himalayan rightnow.
I'll use Celtic sea salt aswell, just something with some
color in it.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Okay, is there any taste?
You mentioned that you put itin water.
Is it tasteless or is it?
Something that people might saywell, I don't really like the
taste of this, so I'm not goingto take it.
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Right, good point, thank you.
What you start with is just puta little pinch in.
Put a pinch in and stir it up.
You won't taste that Next day.
Two pinches and work yourselfup to a quarter teaspoon.
Pinches and work yourself up toa quarter teaspoon and you'll
find that if you don't have seasalt in your water, the water
tastes really bland and boring.
(48:46):
So sea salt really lightens upthe experience.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Okay, so there's no real, necessarily there's no
taste effect with the magnesiumthen in the water.
Speaker 2 (48:58):
The magnesium, yeah, yeah, but our magnesium is
strong and with that we'restarting, usually just with a
quarter and a half teaspoonagain until the person gets used
to it.
But because I'm so keen onvitamin C and how important that
(49:20):
is for the heart for so manythings vitamin C makes collagen
which keeps your blood vesselsstrong.
If you don't have strong bloodvessels what they call bifurcate
they can develop little tearsif your collagen is weak.
They can develop little tearsif your collagen is weak and
(49:43):
that's what startsatherosclerosis, because at
these tear points thecholesterol will come in and act
like a bandaid.
It's trying to help and wethink it's the bad guy, but it's
helping with these tears.
And then if you've got calciumin your blood without being
neutralized by the magnesium,that calcium will build up on
the cholesterol and there's youratherosclerotic plaque that can
(50:07):
break off and cause strokes orit can close blood vessels and
cause death of tissue, includingheart attack.
So where were we going withthis, chris?
I've lost track.
Speaker 1 (50:19):
So where were we going with this, Chris?
I've lost track.
Oh we were just talking aboutthe taste, and people are going
to like it Right.
Speaker 2 (50:25):
So what I did is I made a berry powder vitamin C,
so that you have a nice berrypowder taste.
So you put a scoop of vitamin Cpowder in your drinking water
and you sip that through the dayand sipping is important.
I said it a couple times If youtake all your magnesium once,
(50:48):
you could give yourself thelaxative effect.
Speaker 1 (50:52):
Okay, that was another question I had, because
I'm sure a lot of people arethinking is there any other side
effects to taking magnesiumsupplementation besides the
laxative effect?
Speaker 2 (51:05):
There are four contraindications that I talk
about in my books.
What are they?
Myasthenia gravis, heart block,bowel blockage and very low
heart rate and very low heartrate.
So there are fourcontraindications, and usually
people with those conditions areunder medical supervision and
(51:26):
are being told not to takemagnesium.
So I'll leave it at that.
Speaker 1 (51:31):
Okay, and then to get your magnesium, they would go
to your website, the rnaresetcom.
Speaker 2 (51:39):
That's right.
That's where my store is andyou're not going to read any
testimonials there because theFDA said, as I mentioned earlier
, that I couldn't say that myproducts help people.
My educational site is atdrcarolyndeancom and part of
it's a membership site where youcan get free eBooks and more in
(52:03):
depth information.
I have to make it a member site, so people say I don't know if
we make them sign something thatsays I'm not an FDA official so
that I can, I can.
It's about making claims.
They don't want dietarysupplement companies to make a
claim that can be misinterpretedas a health claim.
Only drugs are allowed to makehealth claims, which is crazy
(52:26):
because it's only drugs that arecausing the side effects.
But anyway, so on mydrcarolyndeancom site you'll see
my interview with Chris.
That'll get posted so thatpeople can rewatch this
incredible interview, right,chris?
Speaker 1 (52:44):
Now you have a couple of books that I was looking at
that I would recommend to peoplelistening, and you talked about
the one that was the MagnesiumMiracle.
You also have the Magnesium,the Missing Link to Total Health
, which you shared, and then theComplete Guide to Mental Health
was another one.
That's a new book, right, thatjust came out in January.
Speaker 2 (53:03):
Yeah, that's an e-book.
I stopped doing print books forthe most part because it saves
the trees, but thank you forthat.
But let me just say one morething about books and resources
and resources.
The conflict basis ofParkinson's, according to
another modality that I studyno-transcript.
Speaker 1 (53:32):
Now.
Speaker 2 (53:33):
German New Medicine.
It's Dr Hammer started it.
He said you know there wasconflict laced into disease.
As the body is trying to dealwith the conflict, the disease
state presents itself.
Not that the body is trying toattack itself, but it's just the
representation of the conflict.
(53:54):
They say of Parkinson's is youwant to reach for something but
you've been either punished forreaching for something
overreaching.
It can be represented in manyways, not even just physical,
but you want to attain somethingand you've been held back and
you're demanding that I wantthis and part of you is pulling
(54:19):
back creates the tremors.
It's quite fascinating and whatI do is I refer to Danny
Carroll D-A-N-N-Y little hyphenin between C-A-R-R-O-L-L
dannycarrollcom and he has freebooks describing this
(54:44):
information in such anincredible way.
His latest book is BreastCancer is a Misdiagnosis, which
is kind of shocking, and in thefirst few chapters he describes
the whole German new medicineconflict approach.
That I mean it'll blow yourmind.
It is very importantinformation and it's information
(55:06):
that will never reach ourallopathic medical system.
Speaker 1 (55:12):
That's fascinating.
I'll have to check that out.
In addition to nutrients likemagnesium, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2 (55:30):
I have to check that out, in addition to nutrients
like magnesium.
In terms of other alternativetherapies, I know one of the
things getting the energyflowing in the body.
But I'll tell you straight out,chris, any energy medicine
laying on of hands, massage,acupuncture, anything that you
can come up with it doesn't workas well if your minerals aren't
(55:51):
in balance.
The whole electricalconductivity of the body depends
on minerals and if you don'thave them, then that's why they
can't say that acupuncturealways works.
You know, once I startedgetting into the whole mineral
world, I realized I don't reallyhave to look at or, you know,
(56:12):
discuss anything.
You get to the point where, oh,I have this, you know, neck
pain, let me, let me go get someacupuncture.
And I say the same about I mean, there's methylene blue.
Apparently, bobby Kendi wasusing methylene blue, the liquid
toxic antioxidant, andeverybody oh, I have to take
(56:33):
this Methylene blue cold shockbath bags.
All these things are trying totreat the symptoms of mineral
and vitamin deficiencies.
In my opinion, when I do any ofthose things like yeah, I mean
methylene blue, it's been arounda long time, I've tried it, I
(56:56):
tried it again recently Doesn'tdo a thing for me.
I don't feel anything becauseI'm pretty balanced as it is.
So I guess my final statementwould be so many of us are
magnesium deficient and we don'tknow it and we just think
magnesium is a laxative.
(57:17):
So we just go looking aroundfor something else that will
help us.
But if we could be centered andfocused on doing enough vitamins
and minerals in the form thatis absorbed, our bodies will
respond and then we'll knowwhat's left over.
(57:38):
Is there a genetic something?
Are we being poisoned bysomething?
Are we living in a toxic, moldyhouse?
Then those things have to bedealt with separately.
But we're just going down somany avenues.
There's so much commercialismin nutrients now, and the drug
companies are starting to takeover the supplement companies,
(58:01):
that we're really not sure whoto trust or what to trust.
You trust yourself.
You try something and see if itworks.
If it doesn't make a difference, you move on.
Speaker 1 (58:14):
Great.
So the key takeaways, then aremake sure you get magnesium and
because that's going to helpaddress a lot of the issues that
that we have and you would taketake it and as you start to
feel better, you could reducethe level based on what you said
, because you said you startedout at what I think 1200
milligrams and now you're downto 450 milligrams.
So it's making sure that youget the magnesium and then try
(58:39):
to eat, you know, make sure youget vitamin C and some of the
other, make sure you get yourother vitamins and minerals as
well, because they're all goingto work synergistically together
, I guess and then just continueto try to eat a healthy diet,
live a positive lifestyle andmake sure magnesium is a big
part of that.
It's, I guess, another keything.
Speaker 2 (58:59):
That's right.
That's right Because you'vebeen saying all these things,
even with the sugar podcast youdid, to which I'd say just yeah,
add a good magnesium, and youknow, mine is the good magnesium
.
Speaker 1 (59:13):
All right, and they can go to your website and get
that at bernaresetcom correct.
And you have a bunch availablethere.
So I'd like to thank you forjoining me today.
This has been great.
I've learned a lot and, inaddition, I'd like to just as a
final call to action is, justhave people visit my website as
well, liveparkinsonscom.
They can subscribe to the freemonthly newsletter.
(59:34):
But I really appreciate thetime and you're helping a lot of
people with the message thatyou're putting out there.
So thanks again for being partof the program and I look
forward to reading some of yourbooks and getting a little more
information.
So thanks again.
Speaker 2 (59:50):
Thank you, chris, oh, and you are helping so many
people and I appreciate yourwork, thank you.
Speaker 1 (59:57):
Well, thank you very much and have a wonderful day,
and thanks everybody forlistening.
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