June 18, 2025 • 20 mins
Dive deep into the fascinating world of Internal Family Systems (IFS) therapy with Lizbeth De Sa, a writer, educator, and IFS practitioner who shares how understanding your "multiple mind" can transform your life.
The concept sounds deceptively simple - we're all made up of different "parts" or sub-personalities. But as Lizbeth reveals, recognizing and working with these parts creates profound healing opportunities that traditional therapy often misses. "It's really about loving all of who you are, even the parts that we usually don't really like," she explains, describing how IFS helped her navigate a traumatic divorce and custody battle when other approaches fell short.
What sets IFS apart is its focus on "self-energy" - accessing your authentic core self that naturally carries compassion, curiosity, and healing capacity. Through vivid examples, including her personal journey healing from racial trauma, Lizbeth demonstrates how IFS helps parts release their burdens rather than continuing to reenact painful patterns. The result? Parts that once carried trauma can reclaim their natural qualities of "playfulness, joy, and creativity."
Lizbeth also touches on her work as a laughter yoga leader, her writings about applying the multiple mind concept to everyday challenges, and practical tips for working with overwhelming emotions. For those struggling with intense feelings, she offers this surprisingly effective technique: simply ask your distressed parts if they could "tone down" their intensity just a bit. "When they've got your attention, they will tone that intensity down and then it's a lot easier to be with them and send them some compassion." Ready to transform your relationship with yourself? Start by exploring MultipleMind.com and discover how understanding your internal family system can lead to profound healing and integration.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the Living the Dream Podcast with
Curveball, if you believe youcan achieve.
Welcome to the Living the Dreamwith Curveball Podcast, a show
where I interview guests thatteach, motivate and inspire.
(00:23):
Where I interview guests thatteach, motivate and inspire.
Today we are joined by writer,educator laughter, yoga leader
and conflict mediator, as wellas internal family systems
therapy practitioner, lizbethDeSalle.
She's going to be talking abouther writings and teaching and
(00:46):
how she talks about the multiplemind.
So, liz Beth, thank you so muchfor joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thank you so much for having me Curtis.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Why don't you start off by telling everybody a
little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Sure.
So I'm originally from England,though of Indian descent, and
now I'm living in South Carolinaand I've always been interested
in self-awareness.
So I've been practicingmeditation for a couple of
decades and I went through avery traumatic divorce and
(01:18):
custody case a few years backand I discovered internal family
systems therapy at the time andit really showed me so much
potential for integrating allthe different parts of ourselves
and bringing some healing in away that I had just not found
possible until that time.
(01:38):
So I threw myself into it, gottrained in it, started
practicing it with clientsone-on-one and teaching how to
bring it into their everydaylife, because it really is about
loving all of who you are, eventhe parts that we usually don't
really like.
So it's really been quitetransformative in my life and my
(02:01):
clients' lives too.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, what exactly is internal family systems therapy
?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So it's a model of psychotherapy that was developed
by Dr Richard Schwartz and it'sbasically that we are made up
of different parts or subpersonalities and some of these
parts of us carry burdens oftrauma, often from childhood
experiences, and often intherapy people talk about their
(02:31):
experiences, they narrate whathappened, but that doesn't often
heal the part that experiencedthat pain.
So in IFS what we want to do isto go back to the part who
experienced the pain, with theirpermission, because we also
don't want to re-traumatize theperson by reliving it.
(02:53):
So it's done in a verycontrolled and manageable way
and we use the compassionatepresence of self to witness that
pain, and by self I mean your,your essence, who you are at
core some people call it yourhigher self, the buddha nature,
christ-like nature, and we usethat that is within all of us to
(03:16):
witness the pain of that part,so that they can feel understood
, not alone, and then we helpthem to release it and then,
through releasing it, they cantake on the original qualities
of playfulness and joy andcreativity and they're not
living with the burden of thattrauma and act continually being
(03:38):
enacted in their everyday liveswell, let's say I wanted to go
through internal family systemstherapy.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
If I go through it, how can it transform my life?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, I would say what do you want to work on?
What is holding you back Arethings that are coming up in
your behaviors or patterns,thought patterns?
Do you have beliefs aboutyourself or others that limit
you?
And you would bring those to asession and we would find out
(04:13):
the roots of those beliefs orthoughts, feelings or actions
and we would witness theoriginal pain that caused the
part to behave in that way ortake on that belief and then
help them release the pain thatcaused it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, how is IFS relevant to healing racial
trauma?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So I can talk about my own personal experiences of
racism, own personal experiencesof racism.
I have acted out beliefs ofinferiority, carried pain
because of racism.
That I experienced especiallywhen I was young.
And let's see, I was on ameditation retreat and I
(05:02):
realized we were doing walkingmeditation, which is when you
walk very slowly and youpractice just being present in
the moment, just walking, notget going anywhere.
And I started to experiencesome flashbacks.
While people were coming towardsme, even though they were quite
far away, I found myselfgetting really angry and kind of
(05:26):
belligerent, like I'm not goingto move out of the way, and I
was like where is this comingfrom?
Because there was absolutely noaggression from anyone and, as I
said, they were quite far away.
And I realized, just by goinginside and being present with
that anger, that there was apart of me who was reacting to
(05:46):
experiences of being shoved offthe sidewalk, being physically
assaulted, when I was young andhad this idea of like never
again, but it was acting it outas if it was still happening at
a retreat center.
So I, through IFS, I've beenpresent with these parts who are
(06:07):
still living out that trauma asif it's actually happening Now
I'm not denying that racismstill exists and I'm not saying
that by healing these parts wecondone any experience of racism
.
But if we can heal the childparts of ourselves who have
experienced it and let it go,then they are not acting out in
(06:30):
fear, still paralyzed by thepain of those experiences in
everyday life, and it actuallyempowers me to deal with racism
in my current life moreeffectively.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well explain why IFS is so much more than parts work
or working with the inner childwe focus on the healing
(07:09):
potential of self-energy.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So we don't just work with the parts and listen to
them.
We take it further and we usethe power, the compassionate
presence of self to heal theseparts and help them release our
burdens.
And we all have self within us.
It's when you feel reallyyourself, your authenticity, and
it's that place that is full ofcompassion and curiosity that
(07:32):
really lets healing happen.
So in my sessions I don't healanyone.
I just facilitate conversationsbetween a client's parts and
their self so that they can dothe healing parts and their self
so that they can do the healing.
(07:56):
Well, talk about how people canuse the creative process to help
in healing.
So I would say, for me, this isnot just a therapeutic modality
.
I would really love for peopleto develop relationships with
their parts and to realize thatthey have a multiplicity within
them.
We are not a monolithic mind.
People are naturally made up ofmany, many parts and it's
(08:17):
pretty evident because peopleuse this language in their
everyday lives.
Already they might say a part ofme wants to do this and a part
of me wants to do that, or Ihave mixed feelings.
So I think bringing awarenessto their own multiple mind is
the first step and realizingthat it's normal it doesn't mean
that they have multiplepersonality disorder or anything
(08:40):
like that and then to just turntheir attention inwards
whenever they can and say what'sgoing on with me right now?
How can I listen to theconflicting voices inside?
Because I think often wesuppress them, because the inner
conflict can be quite painful.
Just that alone can go so farin easing the conflict inside,
(09:09):
bringing some hope to parts thatwe can listen to everyone who's
got a desire or a wish for acertain outcome and we can make
decisions from a more centeredand a place of more
(09:31):
collaboration inside.
Well, talk about the spiritualaspects of IFS.
So I do see IFS as a spiritualpractice, but it works if you
don't.
So I mean, I see clients who areatheists, agnostic, and that's
fine too, who are atheists,agnostic, and that's fine too,
(09:53):
and I see self as being that ofthe divine within all of us,
because it has these qualitiesthat go beyond words, that we
have categorized them into someof these characteristics like
compassion and curiosity, butthere's a certain presence that
when we do feel really authenticand who we are at core, it
almost feels timeless beyondourselves, like a connection
(10:17):
that, um, that connects all ofus even.
I mean, I think it's differentfor everyone, but when we can
use that presence, tap into that, immense healing really does
happen.
So I practice meditation andmeditation really was, has been
a wonderful tool for me, but Ifound that it didn't go far
(10:41):
enough.
So it was great to be aware ofwhat was going on inside, but it
was kind of painful sometimesto notice what was happening
inside and then move on.
And then IFS seemed to takethat a step further, because it
gave me something to do withthese parts recognize that they
were parts, they had feelings,they had experiences and then
(11:04):
bring compassion to them, bringthe healing presence of self to
them and work with them insteadof just moving on from them.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, you're also a laughter yoga leader.
I have.
Yeah, I've interviewed somebodyon the show about laughter yoga
, but for those who might notknow, explain to listeners what
that is.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Sure.
So I first heard about laughteryoga when I was watching an
Australian TV show and it wasset in a park and a bunch of
people just came up and joinedthe circle and started laughing
and it looked incredibly awkwardto me but I really wanted to
try it.
So I found a local laughteryoga group and I went along and
(11:53):
it was much easier than what Ihad seen on TV.
It was a bunch of exercisessome of the movements, some
sound word related, imitatinganimals or miming things, all
sorts of things but there was alot of breathing involved.
So hence the connection to yoga, and it was all about turning
the out breath into laughter,because we really don't have
(12:17):
enough laughter in our lives andwe don't have a lot of
unconditional laughter too.
So I found that when I practicedlaughter yoga my days were much
happier because andphysiologically it was great for
me too it just felt sowonderful to have those deep
belly laughs for no good reason,because I was choosing to have
(12:40):
them, not because I was waitingfor an opportunity for it to
arise.
So I really wanted to integratelaughter yoga and IFS and in
all honesty, I haven't found agreat way to do it yet.
Sometimes my sessions they are,you know, all about healing and
that can be a really joyful andcreative experience and I do
(13:02):
try to bring laughter in.
But the original impetus wasbecause therapy is often seen as
something that's very drearyand depressing and I wanted to
integrate laughter with thatself-energy.
So it's still something I'mworking on how to do, but I see
(13:22):
it as having incrediblepotential with IFS and
especially in healing generally.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, you're also a writer, so talk about your
writing, you know.
Talk about where we can get itand check it out, or what we can
expect when we read them said,this isn't about just a
(13:56):
therapeutic modality that you gosee a therapist for.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It really is about how to bring it into our
everyday lives, and I usewriting as a medium for teaching
about how to do that.
So I write a blog on medium andI often write about the
multiple mind and how to writeabout the multiple mind and how
(14:18):
to, how to be aware of it, howto use these principles in our
everyday lives, and it might beabout um food, like how to avoid
mindless eating, how to bringmore gratitude into our everyday
lives, um, all sorts of things.
So you can find me on Medium.
It's a forum for writers withmultiple publications on it, and
(14:39):
my username is at LisbethMultipleMind, and you can also
find it through my website,which is MultipleMindcom.
Okay, give us your definitionof multiple mind.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, give us your definition of multiple mind.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So the multiple mind is that we are made up of lots
of sub personalities or parts,and some of them carry pain.
Some might be that you reallywant to keep your body trim,
work out excessively, make surethat your body is perfect so
that you don't get criticized orfrowned upon.
(15:15):
That protector, that part, theycan be really useful, these
(15:37):
protectors, because they alsokeep us motivated and in shape.
But when it goes to extremes,that part could be working
really hard to make sure thatthe other part, who's carrying
the pain that we call an exile,doesn't get activated.
And unfortunately, as hard asthose protectors work to make
sure that that pain doesn't getreactivated, it often does
(16:00):
Because there's only so.
There's a limit to thesestrategies and other strategies
might be workaholism, drinking,food, binging and, and really
the best way is to, as I said,go to the heart of the problem,
go to where the exile iscarrying that pain and then use
(16:22):
the self to heal that pain.
So the multiple mind is thissystem and it's a very
interconnected system of partswho carry pain, protectors who
want to protect those exilesfrom being activated, and then
lots of other parts who justkeep us functioning in our lives
(16:42):
and the self and I see it likean orchestra.
We want a symphony, beautifulharmony of sounds rather than a
cacophony.
And we have that with anorchestra conducting instruments
and using their sounds andtheir roles in the best possible
way.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Tell us about any upcoming projects that you're
working on that listeners needto be aware of.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I am hoping to write some video courses.
I am hoping to write some videocourses Again.
This is all about applying theIFS model to things like how to
give and receive feedback, whichis such a hard thing to do
sometimes.
How to apply the IFS model inyour dating life so that you can
deal with some of the ups anddowns like rejection, emotional
(17:34):
unavailability in your partnerand, you know, just get some
support around all of that.
So I will be I'm hoping to workon a relationship support app
that supports people in theirrelationships, and also just
ongoing writing, of course andalso just ongoing writing, of
(17:56):
course.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Okay, you already answered the website question,
multiplemindcom.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So close us out with some final thoughts.
Maybe, if that was something Iforgot to talk about, that you
would like to touch on, or anyfinal thoughts you have for the
listeners.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Sure.
So I wanted to give a couple oftips that might really help
people.
I would say that when peopleare experiencing intense
emotional emotions andexperiences, often it can feel
very overwhelming.
And I often say to my clientsask your parts if they would
(18:30):
tone the intensity down a littlebit.
And you can always say, say, ifit's a nine or a 10, can you
tone it down to just a seven oran eight?
And surprisingly, parts willoften agree.
When they've got your attention, they will tone that intensity
down and then it's a lot easierto be with them and send them
some compassion.
(18:50):
So I'd like for people to knowthat they really can work with
their parts.
They don't just have to be at awhim of the emotions of these
parts.
They can really communicatewith them and work with them.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, be sureto check out multiplemindcom,
check out Liz Best's writing andeverything that she's up to.
Please be sure to follow us onyour favorite podcast platform.
Visit wwwcurveball337.com formore information on the Living
the Dream with Curveball podcast.
(19:29):
Thank you for listening andsupporting the show and, liz
Beth, thank you for all that youdo to help people heal and
thank you for joining me thankyou so much for having me Curtis
for more information on theliving the dream with curveball
podcast, visitwwwcurveball337.com.
(19:49):
until next time, keep living thedream.
Welcome to the Living the Dream Podcast with
Curveball, if you believe youcan achieve.
Welcome to the Living the Dreamwith Curveball Podcast, a show
where I interview guests thatteach, motivate and inspire.
(00:23):
Where I interview guests thatteach, motivate and inspire.
Today we are joined by writer,educator laughter, yoga leader
and conflict mediator, as wellas internal family systems
therapy practitioner, lizbethDeSalle.
She's going to be talking abouther writings and teaching and
(00:46):
how she talks about the multiplemind.
So, liz Beth, thank you so muchfor joining me today.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Thank you so much for having me Curtis.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Why don't you start off by telling everybody a
little bit about yourself?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Sure.
So I'm originally from England,though of Indian descent, and
now I'm living in South Carolinaand I've always been interested
in self-awareness.
So I've been practicingmeditation for a couple of
decades and I went through avery traumatic divorce and
(01:18):
custody case a few years backand I discovered internal family
systems therapy at the time andit really showed me so much
potential for integrating allthe different parts of ourselves
and bringing some healing in away that I had just not found
possible until that time.
(01:38):
So I threw myself into it, gottrained in it, started
practicing it with clientsone-on-one and teaching how to
bring it into their everydaylife, because it really is about
loving all of who you are, eventhe parts that we usually don't
really like.
So it's really been quitetransformative in my life and my
(02:01):
clients' lives too.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Well, what exactly is internal family systems therapy
?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So it's a model of psychotherapy that was developed
by Dr Richard Schwartz and it'sbasically that we are made up
of different parts or subpersonalities and some of these
parts of us carry burdens oftrauma, often from childhood
experiences, and often intherapy people talk about their
(02:31):
experiences, they narrate whathappened, but that doesn't often
heal the part that experiencedthat pain.
So in IFS what we want to do isto go back to the part who
experienced the pain, with theirpermission, because we also
don't want to re-traumatize theperson by reliving it.
(02:53):
So it's done in a verycontrolled and manageable way
and we use the compassionatepresence of self to witness that
pain, and by self I mean your,your essence, who you are at
core some people call it yourhigher self, the buddha nature,
christ-like nature, and we usethat that is within all of us to
(03:16):
witness the pain of that part,so that they can feel understood
, not alone, and then we helpthem to release it and then,
through releasing it, they cantake on the original qualities
of playfulness and joy andcreativity and they're not
living with the burden of thattrauma and act continually being
(03:38):
enacted in their everyday liveswell, let's say I wanted to go
through internal family systemstherapy.
Speaker 1 (03:48):
If I go through it, how can it transform my life?
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Well, I would say what do you want to work on?
What is holding you back Arethings that are coming up in
your behaviors or patterns,thought patterns?
Do you have beliefs aboutyourself or others that limit
you?
And you would bring those to asession and we would find out
(04:13):
the roots of those beliefs orthoughts, feelings or actions
and we would witness theoriginal pain that caused the
part to behave in that way ortake on that belief and then
help them release the pain thatcaused it.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
Well, how is IFS relevant to healing racial
trauma?
Speaker 2 (04:38):
So I can talk about my own personal experiences of
racism, own personal experiencesof racism.
I have acted out beliefs ofinferiority, carried pain
because of racism.
That I experienced especiallywhen I was young.
And let's see, I was on ameditation retreat and I
(05:02):
realized we were doing walkingmeditation, which is when you
walk very slowly and youpractice just being present in
the moment, just walking, notget going anywhere.
And I started to experiencesome flashbacks.
While people were coming towardsme, even though they were quite
far away, I found myselfgetting really angry and kind of
(05:26):
belligerent, like I'm not goingto move out of the way, and I
was like where is this comingfrom?
Because there was absolutely noaggression from anyone and, as I
said, they were quite far away.
And I realized, just by goinginside and being present with
that anger, that there was apart of me who was reacting to
(05:46):
experiences of being shoved offthe sidewalk, being physically
assaulted, when I was young andhad this idea of like never
again, but it was acting it outas if it was still happening at
a retreat center.
So I, through IFS, I've beenpresent with these parts who are
(06:07):
still living out that trauma asif it's actually happening Now
I'm not denying that racismstill exists and I'm not saying
that by healing these parts wecondone any experience of racism
.
But if we can heal the childparts of ourselves who have
experienced it and let it go,then they are not acting out in
(06:30):
fear, still paralyzed by thepain of those experiences in
everyday life, and it actuallyempowers me to deal with racism
in my current life moreeffectively.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
Well explain why IFS is so much more than parts work
or working with the inner childwe focus on the healing
(07:09):
potential of self-energy.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
So we don't just work with the parts and listen to
them.
We take it further and we usethe power, the compassionate
presence of self to heal theseparts and help them release our
burdens.
And we all have self within us.
It's when you feel reallyyourself, your authenticity, and
it's that place that is full ofcompassion and curiosity that
(07:32):
really lets healing happen.
So in my sessions I don't healanyone.
I just facilitate conversationsbetween a client's parts and
their self so that they can dothe healing parts and their self
so that they can do the healing.
(07:56):
Well, talk about how people canuse the creative process to help
in healing.
So I would say, for me, this isnot just a therapeutic modality
.
I would really love for peopleto develop relationships with
their parts and to realize thatthey have a multiplicity within
them.
We are not a monolithic mind.
People are naturally made up ofmany, many parts and it's
(08:17):
pretty evident because peopleuse this language in their
everyday lives.
Already they might say a part ofme wants to do this and a part
of me wants to do that, or Ihave mixed feelings.
So I think bringing awarenessto their own multiple mind is
the first step and realizingthat it's normal it doesn't mean
that they have multiplepersonality disorder or anything
(08:40):
like that and then to just turntheir attention inwards
whenever they can and say what'sgoing on with me right now?
How can I listen to theconflicting voices inside?
Because I think often wesuppress them, because the inner
conflict can be quite painful.
Just that alone can go so farin easing the conflict inside,
(09:09):
bringing some hope to parts thatwe can listen to everyone who's
got a desire or a wish for acertain outcome and we can make
decisions from a more centeredand a place of more
(09:31):
collaboration inside.
Well, talk about the spiritualaspects of IFS.
So I do see IFS as a spiritualpractice, but it works if you
don't.
So I mean, I see clients who areatheists, agnostic, and that's
fine too, who are atheists,agnostic, and that's fine too,
(09:53):
and I see self as being that ofthe divine within all of us,
because it has these qualitiesthat go beyond words, that we
have categorized them into someof these characteristics like
compassion and curiosity, butthere's a certain presence that
when we do feel really authenticand who we are at core, it
almost feels timeless beyondourselves, like a connection
(10:17):
that, um, that connects all ofus even.
I mean, I think it's differentfor everyone, but when we can
use that presence, tap into that, immense healing really does
happen.
So I practice meditation andmeditation really was, has been
a wonderful tool for me, but Ifound that it didn't go far
(10:41):
enough.
So it was great to be aware ofwhat was going on inside, but it
was kind of painful sometimesto notice what was happening
inside and then move on.
And then IFS seemed to takethat a step further, because it
gave me something to do withthese parts recognize that they
were parts, they had feelings,they had experiences and then
(11:04):
bring compassion to them, bringthe healing presence of self to
them and work with them insteadof just moving on from them.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Well, you're also a laughter yoga leader.
I have.
Yeah, I've interviewed somebodyon the show about laughter yoga
, but for those who might notknow, explain to listeners what
that is.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Sure.
So I first heard about laughteryoga when I was watching an
Australian TV show and it wasset in a park and a bunch of
people just came up and joinedthe circle and started laughing
and it looked incredibly awkwardto me but I really wanted to
try it.
So I found a local laughteryoga group and I went along and
(11:53):
it was much easier than what Ihad seen on TV.
It was a bunch of exercisessome of the movements, some
sound word related, imitatinganimals or miming things, all
sorts of things but there was alot of breathing involved.
So hence the connection to yoga, and it was all about turning
the out breath into laughter,because we really don't have
(12:17):
enough laughter in our lives andwe don't have a lot of
unconditional laughter too.
So I found that when I practicedlaughter yoga my days were much
happier because andphysiologically it was great for
me too it just felt sowonderful to have those deep
belly laughs for no good reason,because I was choosing to have
(12:40):
them, not because I was waitingfor an opportunity for it to
arise.
So I really wanted to integratelaughter yoga and IFS and in
all honesty, I haven't found agreat way to do it yet.
Sometimes my sessions they are,you know, all about healing and
that can be a really joyful andcreative experience and I do
(13:02):
try to bring laughter in.
But the original impetus wasbecause therapy is often seen as
something that's very drearyand depressing and I wanted to
integrate laughter with thatself-energy.
So it's still something I'mworking on how to do, but I see
(13:22):
it as having incrediblepotential with IFS and
especially in healing generally.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
Okay, you're also a writer, so talk about your
writing, you know.
Talk about where we can get itand check it out, or what we can
expect when we read them said,this isn't about just a
(13:56):
therapeutic modality that you gosee a therapist for.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
It really is about how to bring it into our
everyday lives, and I usewriting as a medium for teaching
about how to do that.
So I write a blog on medium andI often write about the
multiple mind and how to writeabout the multiple mind and how
(14:18):
to, how to be aware of it, howto use these principles in our
everyday lives, and it might beabout um food, like how to avoid
mindless eating, how to bringmore gratitude into our everyday
lives, um, all sorts of things.
So you can find me on Medium.
It's a forum for writers withmultiple publications on it, and
(14:39):
my username is at LisbethMultipleMind, and you can also
find it through my website,which is MultipleMindcom.
Okay, give us your definitionof multiple mind.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Okay, give us your definition of multiple mind.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
So the multiple mind is that we are made up of lots
of sub personalities or parts,and some of them carry pain.
Some might be that you reallywant to keep your body trim,
work out excessively, make surethat your body is perfect so
that you don't get criticized orfrowned upon.
(15:15):
That protector, that part, theycan be really useful, these
(15:37):
protectors, because they alsokeep us motivated and in shape.
But when it goes to extremes,that part could be working
really hard to make sure thatthe other part, who's carrying
the pain that we call an exile,doesn't get activated.
And unfortunately, as hard asthose protectors work to make
sure that that pain doesn't getreactivated, it often does
(16:00):
Because there's only so.
There's a limit to thesestrategies and other strategies
might be workaholism, drinking,food, binging and, and really
the best way is to, as I said,go to the heart of the problem,
go to where the exile iscarrying that pain and then use
(16:22):
the self to heal that pain.
So the multiple mind is thissystem and it's a very
interconnected system of partswho carry pain, protectors who
want to protect those exilesfrom being activated, and then
lots of other parts who justkeep us functioning in our lives
(16:42):
and the self and I see it likean orchestra.
We want a symphony, beautifulharmony of sounds rather than a
cacophony.
And we have that with anorchestra conducting instruments
and using their sounds andtheir roles in the best possible
way.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
Tell us about any upcoming projects that you're
working on that listeners needto be aware of.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
So I am hoping to write some video courses.
I am hoping to write some videocourses Again.
This is all about applying theIFS model to things like how to
give and receive feedback, whichis such a hard thing to do
sometimes.
How to apply the IFS model inyour dating life so that you can
deal with some of the ups anddowns like rejection, emotional
(17:34):
unavailability in your partnerand, you know, just get some
support around all of that.
So I will be I'm hoping to workon a relationship support app
that supports people in theirrelationships, and also just
ongoing writing, of course andalso just ongoing writing, of
(17:56):
course.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Okay, you already answered the website question,
multiplemindcom.
Speaker 2 (18:00):
That's right.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
So close us out with some final thoughts.
Maybe, if that was something Iforgot to talk about, that you
would like to touch on, or anyfinal thoughts you have for the
listeners.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
Sure.
So I wanted to give a couple oftips that might really help
people.
I would say that when peopleare experiencing intense
emotional emotions andexperiences, often it can feel
very overwhelming.
And I often say to my clientsask your parts if they would
(18:30):
tone the intensity down a littlebit.
And you can always say, say, ifit's a nine or a 10, can you
tone it down to just a seven oran eight?
And surprisingly, parts willoften agree.
When they've got your attention, they will tone that intensity
down and then it's a lot easierto be with them and send them
some compassion.
(18:50):
So I'd like for people to knowthat they really can work with
their parts.
They don't just have to be at awhim of the emotions of these
parts.
They can really communicatewith them and work with them.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
All right.
Ladies and gentlemen, be sureto check out multiplemindcom,
check out Liz Best's writing andeverything that she's up to.
Please be sure to follow us onyour favorite podcast platform.
Visit wwwcurveball337.com formore information on the Living
the Dream with Curveball podcast.
(19:29):
Thank you for listening andsupporting the show and, liz
Beth, thank you for all that youdo to help people heal and
thank you for joining me thankyou so much for having me Curtis
for more information on theliving the dream with curveball
podcast, visitwwwcurveball337.com.
(19:49):
until next time, keep living thedream.
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