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Hey brother, welcome to the LongTerm Podcast.
Thank you for having me. Bobby Cooper, everyone.
Hello. So what was the turning point
that made you commit to working out and prioritizing your
health? For me, it was like always
something that I had like a on and off relationship with.
Like I play football in high school and that's sort of like
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got me into the athletics and stuff like that.
But I'd always been like a big guy and after like, so I'd
always been like in and out of the gym, but I never fully like
was super serious about it. So it was kind of just like one
day I was like, I was like, dude, you're, you're really fat.
Like, you know, we should, we should probably do something
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about this. And I just kind of, I start
going more because like I, I still like been in there
occasionally, but I just startedgoing a lot more and just eating
better food and all that. And it just sort of started to
happen. It was, you know, it was it, it
wasn't like a super big specificthing.
It just was sort of like a bit of a more gradual process that I
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just decided to start taking a bit more seriously.
And So what made you like start?Was there like an event that
kind of happened or did you justlook in the mirror one day or
feel something one day? It, it'd been like I've been
feeling a certain way about it for a while.
And it was a couple years ago, actually, my parents, they, they
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went to BC for work and they were going to be on for like a
couple months. So it was, that was going to be
the longest time I've ever gone without seeing them.
And I sort of had it in my mind.I was like, oh, what if, like,
what if you just went crazy whenthey were gone and like you and
like they came back and it was like, you know, a bit of a
difference here. And that was like a big
motivator. And so I just just starting that
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process. It just, it just kept on going
from there. And how long has it been now?
It's, it's been, it was a coupleyears ago that, that started,
but like last year, things were,they didn't go too well on that
front. But the start again of this
year. I, so I'll say this, I'll say
it's been the since the new year, I've really been kicking
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back into it again. But when this initially started,
it was, it was probably about March 2023.
And yeah, I was gone. I was going good at it from like
March 2023 till like September 2023.
And then I don't even know what happened.
It just completely kind of fell off.
And 2024 was a bit, it was a bitof a write off almost.
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And then 2025, with a little help from some other people, I
sort of got the kick in the ass to start going again.
And we, we've been back strong since like January.
No one at it. Yeah.
Dude, I've been seeing you everynight pretty much.
Thank. Thank you, man.
I appreciate. That I respect the grind, man.
And you're out there and I see you pushing in some weights and
you're giving it your all because it takes a lot of
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courage to just put yourself outthere, right?
Even like opening up the Instagram that you have and like
showing others that, hey, I'm putting in the effort.
And it kind of reinforces to other people that, hey, there is
hope, of course, like there's it's never too late for anyone.
And you could just establish a life that is of health.
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And yeah, absolutely. No, of course, like always, you
just never a point where you like can't do that, you know,
It's just a choice at the end ofthe day.
Is, I know many people say this with exercise, that that's the
easy part. Now food, right, is the hardest
thing to control. And what what is that experience
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like for you? For me, it's like, yeah,
definitely like the weights and stuff like it's not, it's not
super hard. I actually kind of enjoy going
to the gym, but the food, like obviously I didn't, I didn't get
this way from lifting too many weights, you know.
So yeah, in terms of it like there's some days obviously
where I have like cravings like more intense than others, like
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want to just like binge and stuff like that.
But it's just sort of like switching in like better health
alternatives, like lower calorieoptions and things like that.
You just got to find those things.
And that does make it easier. And also I don't do a diet
that's like super like crazy. I don't do none of these like
crash diets or whatever, like keto or nothing like that.
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Pretty much what I did is I justtried to eat less food and just
better food, you know, like justcleaner real food instead of
just like hitting a McDonald's everyday, you know?
And it that's, I find that's been pretty easy because sure,
it's a bit more of like a slow process, but I find it's a lot
more sustainable as opposed to just like going into something
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like really intense. And yeah, sure, you drop a bunch
of weight and then all of a sudden you're ballooning back up
again. Because that's what I did a
couple years ago. I was on a keto for about 3
weeks and I dropped about 30 lbs.
But then Easter came around and I had some chocolate and I
gained it back in like a weekend.
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So it's just like, dude, I can't, I can't do that again
because it's just like such a fluctuation.
So just like literally I just eat like a normal person eats
now and it's just that's what that's what I find is like the
best for me. Yeah, what are your favorite go
TOS when it comes to the healthyfoods?
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I have this little concoction I made.
It's basically it's these like frozen packs of this like rice,
chicken and vegetables from likeCostco.
It's just this like single. I think it's like called like
yakitori rice or something like that.
You just throw in the microwave and I put some shrimp in it in
with that as well and some hot sauce.
So good. That's probably like my go to
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dinner and All in all comes out to maybe like 500 calories,
something like that. But it's not even bad.
I would say that's my go to. There's like these lean Turkey
pepperoni sticks I have all the time.
They're they're like 50 caloriesper those are really good as
well. And eggs, I'm a big fan of eggs.
I tend to have those every morning for breakfast and I, I
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have not gotten tired of them. So those are probably my go TOS,
which is good because those are all just things that I enjoy
eating anyways. Yeah man, eggs are goated bro.
Oh dude, they're so good. Me some eggs.
Like I used to have them four time four eggs every day, but
now I just limited it down to like 3 eggs just to save.
Yeah, that's fair. But how do you say motivated on
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the days when you just don't feel like hitting the gym?
I'm kind of lucky because I've built it to like a routine and
I've just gotten in sort of likea schedule where those days are
pretty few and far between. But obviously like some days I
still have those like days like that.
What I do is I just just get myself to the building
essentially. And sometimes I don't fully hit
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weights on days like that where I'm just really not feeling it.
What I do is I just, I'll just hit like an incline walk on the
treadmill for like 20 minutes, something like that.
And that, you know, still gets agood sweat going.
It's still a full workout. But yeah, for me, it's just
like, get yourself to the gym, to the building itself.
And from there, like usually a workout will happen in some
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shape or form. But I'm, I'm lucky because I
don't really get too many days like that.
But yeah. Yeah, getting there, right.
And you've already been gone through all the work of getting
ready and driving there. You might as well hit a workout.
Of course, like I've never had it one swear I I arrive at the
gym and I just cut it short, right?
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Unless I have to be somewhere ata certain time.
But if I've if I'm there, I might as well engage in all the
exercises and leave there with apurpose of course.
Yeah. Yeah, what what are your
favorite exercises? I've recently been getting back
into the the barbell bench because we're because like I
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didn't do it for too long because it was you always to
find a spotter and stuff like that.
And like, you know, so I wasn't doing it for ages.
But recently I'm getting back into it and I just hit 225 for
the first time a couple weeks ago.
It was kind of like kind of likefrig yeah.
And so yeah, I'm kind of, I'm pretty excited about that.
I like stuff with triceps because I just find that they
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just feel the best. You know, I have a, it's like a
cable pull down. You just sort of fix your arm
and then just grab the cable andpull it down like that.
I do like a ISO version. I really enjoy that one.
Just it feels great. And honestly, I'm, I, I enjoy
hitting legs too. I felt like everyone that gets
really scrutinized, like everyone's always like skip leg
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day. But for some reason, I don't
know, man, I just, I like the feeling of it, like the curls
and the extensions. I don't know, just cause I, I
honestly like when you're like leaving or the next day and it's
like hard to walk. It's just like, yeah, I hit
that, you know, feels good and all that.
Yeah, a big, the best barometer to know where you're actually
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putting in the work and gaining some, some progress is through
the fatigue of the muscles and through the lactic acid, right.
And feeling kind of like unable to to get up the stairs and not
able to lift certain things whenusually on days where you're not
sore, it's easy and it knows that once it all heals, it's
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you're going to be even strongerafter that.
Oh, for sure. Yeah, yeah.
No, that's good. I I love the soreness.
Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a great,great time to when you push
yourself as hard as you can, youcan just feel the fibers
breaking. Yeah. 100.
Percent yeah so have you discovered any workout styles or
routines that actually make the progress enjoyable rather than a
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chore I. I have like a pretty basic 1.
I don't really go to like crazy outside of the the zone with it.
I just, I tend to warm up with some cardio like elliptical or
the bike or something. Hit that for like 10 minutes
usually like good sweat or something and then I just hit I
think it's probably a pretty standard like bodybuilding
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routine or something like that just like chest and tries back
and bis legs, shoulders like throw some forearms in there.
I don't know why I've always really liked the idea of having
like stacked up forearms, so I'll just throw some of those in
there too. But yeah, it's nothing too
crazy. It's I'm I'm kind of lucky
because like lifting weights is enjoyable for me.
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Like it's not something that I Igot to go lift just like, Oh
yeah, go lift. So I get kind of lucky on that
front and just getting in to do that.
It's all of it, I find is relatively enjoyable.
Yeah. What do you find it enjoyable?
It's just, I don't know, just like the feeling of like getting
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the sweat going and like your muscles working and like knowing
that doing this is like making an improvement and like making
like making yourself better. Like, yeah, finally do maybe we
can, we can get rid of this, youknow, like so all that stuff,
you know, it just it, it just feels good, you know, And
obviously you get the, you like real dopamine from doing it.
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And then like when you're done aworkout, you leave and you're
like, dude, yeah, feel great, 100%.
Yeah. Do you have any advice for
people that are on the heavier side wanting to get into working
out but they're too and they're scared of what other people
might think or they they don't have the belief in themselves?
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Yeah, man, I would say for that,like no one at the gym is
looking at you and judging you. Like for the most part, the gym
is a very like cool place. And obviously like everyone,
first of all, no one is going tobe paying attention to you
because they're all focused on their on their own workouts.
And if they are it, it doesn't matter.
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And it's mostly going to be in apositive light because I find I
found nothing but encouragement going in there like people do.
Like sometimes people come up tome and they're like, hey, dude,
like respect and all that stuff.So I've never had someone and be
like bad ass, you know? Like and did.
If they did say that, man, they're in trouble.
I don't actually laugh. I'd be like OK bro, like and.
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Then it's like if people do that, it's more of a reflection
of them, of course. Like you see someone here
putting in the work and you're judging them for it.
Yeah. And usually that's not the
culture that we uphold, that Millennium place.
Of course not that. You know how we met, right?
It's just encouraging each otherand talking about the workouts
and uplifting each other. There's no point and
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destruction. It's just, yeah, we'll be both
lose. Of course, when you when you go
out there and you purposely try to push other people down to
boost yourself up, it's like, no, because then when that
mentality, somebody's going to do do that to you and you're all
just trying to doggy pile on topof each other and everybody's
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suffocating. Yeah, it's just nobody wins by
doing all that. Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, no, it's, I've never had any problems with that.
It's in terms of big guy, like people are always accepting and
like encouraging and in terms oflike having belief in yourself,
like, you know, when you're first starting, you're going to,
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you're going to be pretty weak. It's just how it goes.
So like, don't, don't feel bad about it.
Like, you know, we all start somewhere and you got to start
building up. Like a couple months ago, I
before I started benching again,I was like, oh, dude, it'll
probably be ages before I hit 225.
But then like, no, it, it happens, you know, you, you get
stronger and it's a gradual process.
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So like, don't feel bad about it.
Like start slow, start working. You're going to learn more as
you go along. And yeah, the whole, you know,
just trust the process and then eventually you will get stronger
and thus comes more belief and confidence in yourself.
So it just, you know, just startessentially and all that stuff
will come. It'll all it'll all show up
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eventually. Yeah, action is probably the
biggest antidote to the chaos that we ruminate in within
ourselves. Absolutely.
Because you can, you can ruminate on what other people
are going to think at the gym. And even then, right?
They think unless they actually physically hurt you, right?
It's like they're not doing anything, of course.
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So at the end of the day, the biggest enemy is your own mind,
right? Because 100% you're the one
that's making a narrative as to what other people are thinking.
And maybe it it is true, maybe it's not, but it's like you're
your biggest on limiting factor because either you go in there
and you do the work or you don't.
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And that's on a myriad of reasons as to, OK, maybe you
have low energy, maybe you have this.
But whether the action is done or not, it's all up to you.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, I'm fully with you there.
And yeah, I know I struggle witha lot of negative self talk,
right? And I think it's less the
problem of other people. It's more than me.
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But I find when I'm there, I'm criticizing kind of my skin, the
way I look. And is this even right?
Why am I doing this? I forget all that.
But it's the the constant reminder.
Yeah, right. Of like, I know what it's like
on the other side and it's not it's by not going to the gym,
man, I suffer more, you know, but but in the short term,
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though, it's just a lot more gratifying to just sit there,
put on Netflix, you know, haven't done nothing throughout
the day. And just and this, this guilt
right in the back of your head. And it's just like, if you
haven't done anything throughoutthe day, it's like, Oh man, I
could have done something. And if you expand this to your
entire life, so where people talk about, like, deep regrets
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right in their deathbed, it's like, I don't want to be that,
you know? Yeah, you know.
No, absolutely. Like the day like like last year
when I felt was finding it like pretty hard to go like that was
that was all I do. Like I'd, I'd just sit there and
sometime like whenever I wouldn't go, I'd just be and
it'd be even worse because you're just sitting there and
you're like, Oh my God. Like I felt feel like so trash.
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And it was just like a cycle that kept like repeating and of
like, I'll go tomorrow, I'll start next week and all this
stuff because it, and I think itwas even worse because at that
point I had already started the weight loss page.
So in my mind, it was like, all people are seeing this and now
they're all going to be like, Bobby stopped posting.
Bobby stopped going to the gym. What a what a dork.
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So it was just like that thing of like trying to get back to it
and that and being like everybody.
I'm like, it was almost a thing of like letting everybody down.
But at the end of the day, it's just like letting me down, you
know? So all that stuff.
Yeah. And then just sitting there and
trying to like, yeah, honestly, it was it was rough.
I feel that too, man. When on the days that I don't
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work out, I, as you know, I alsohave a fitness page and I'm
constantly posting there and thedays where I don't go, it's
like, oh man, people are going to think I'm soft, they're going
to think I'm a pussy, but reallynobody cares.
People are just like the way I see on the bus on the way to a
campus the the bus 414 at Bethel.
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I sometimes I just like to sit, relax and meditate and the bus
is packed and I get to observe people's behavior when it comes
to their phone. And dude, people don't pay
attention to posts because our attention spans are so, so
brayed that like if you may be thinking that this picture is
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the best of you, or you may think that there's somebody
zooming in and out and analyzingevery single part of the
picture, Dude, most people are going to look at it for a second
and then that's that. Yeah, if that.
And then maybe your close friends are going to encourage
you believe a heart or a comments and that's that.
But I think, yeah, going back tothe self doubt and that that
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guilt that we feel, it's all self-imposed, right?
And if we just learn to let thatgo to like to make it so that
life isn't on brutal mode, because that the way I see it,
man, I've been thinking about this a lot is every time you
wake up, right, you can either put life on like easy, normal or
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hard, kind of like at the beginning of a a video game, You
know, when you go on a campaign and it's like you're a COD, you
know, if you're a Call of Duty campaign and there's like easy
mode, brutal mode. And for a lot of us, we just put
put it on brutal mode, you know,we wake up and we already were
looking in the mirror and go, fuck, I didn't get enough sleep
or fuck me, I'm a loser. You know, you go downstairs
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like, oh man, why would anybody want to talk to me or all like,
man, this is life's going to be so difficult, you know, But then
there are days where you put on easy mode.
And a lot of this could be subconscious where you go, oh
wow, I actually have it in myself.
I have agency. I can look at the world through
a lens of good and positivity and I can actually make a
change. And sure, my life's fucked up in
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certain ways and maybe I think of that childhood trauma a
little bit sometimes, but hey, Ilearned something from it.
And we can all kind of choose, you know, I don't know, like it
seems a bit like woo woo like crazy for me to say cuz oh, like
there are like real problems outthere and all this.
But, and in this day and age, especially in first world
countries, I think we're competing for our minds, you
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know, our own minds. Yeah, that's, that's a good
point. Yeah, I'm, I'm with you there.
Yeah. No, that's, that's solid.
Absolutely. Yeah, I know it's, it's tough to
regulate that, but how has that been for you?
Like, is it, is it like, does your mind kind of 'cause when I
was around 2020, around 2021, I had, my mental health was like
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down the drain, man, just like screwed up.
And I developed this. I never, I was never actually
fully diagnosed, but I had developed this like eating
disorder. And any time I'd be really
stressed, like I was really fit,I was still going to the gym and
bunch. Yeah, but I would consume, dude,
like 3004 thousand worth of calories, man, in like an hour.
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Yeah, yeah. And it was just like, I think it
was compounded by the guilt and kind of the lack of kind of
just. Being kind to myself, you know,
and it, I didn't really know it at the time.
I just kind of went, OK, what this is, we're just going
through the motions now and I just let life happen to me.
You know, I just let life happento me.
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And I just like, I was so miserable, you know, I, it's, it
doesn't happen anymore. But like still, I still get it
in those like thought loops, youknow, the how do you combat that
if you ever do get anything likethat?
That's a good one because I don't know if necessarily like
figured it out. I find like honestly, like it
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does happen, but literally if I just go hit the gym, I leave and
it just like it's going to soundkind of like lame to say that,
but that's kind of just what it is.
Like I because I definitely do get that or like lots of times
if it's like late at night, it'sjust like bro, just go to bed,
you know, just like like it's like it's late bro, just just go
to sleep, you know? Like the late night thoughts,
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right? It's I heard it from this guy
where you shouldn't trust your thoughts at certain points
throughout the day because maybeit's like lack of food, maybe
it's just lack of sleep, or maybe it's just take your then
your transmitter is in your system.
So yes, a lack of sleep will help that.
And yeah, the gym is the the quickest way to just bypass all
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that and reach some level of peace.
I I, I do find that, yeah, 'cause it's just like after
workout, you're just, you're feeling good, you know, you did
the work. You, you know, that's, that's it
for me, man. Yeah.
I find that just really helps mea lot.
Yeah. Yeah, something about just like
pushing yourself as hard as you can with just because that's the
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only the only thing you can think of, right.
So you can't think about anything else.
And then after that you tip ontothe pain side and then on on the
other side. It's freedom.
It is, yes, No, that's true. Just, you know, when you're when
you're working and you just you're getting better at it,
It's it there's no choice but tofeel better about it.
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You know, that's that's how I find it.
If you could tell give yourself advice two years ago, what would
you say to yourself? Just remain consistent and like
don't 'cause I think what happened was, yeah, from like
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March till September, I was dialed.
I dropped like 50 lbs in like 6 months, something like that,
just based off working out. And I think it all just kind of
went off the rails in like October.
Like I got sick for for a littlebit so I wasn't going to the
gym. And then I went on vacation
after that. And then I came back and it was
Christmas and all that. And I think I just sort of let
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all that like walk over me and it was so hard to get back to
like where I was. So I think what I would say to
that guy is just like, dude, just remain consistent.
Like, you know, So what you got sick, like you're better now get
back into it. Or you went on vacation.
That was one week. Now it's time to work.
There's like a whole month between now and Christmas.
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So, you know, I found I just was, I just let that sort of
take over. So I would say like, just keep
working through that and just remain consistent in those areas
because like I could have been, you know, obviously there's no,
no point in ruminating on what, what could have been.
But like, I, you know, I could have been a lot slimmer than I
am now. So I would just say to him,
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like, dude, just just keep going.
Just don't let those things likehinder you at all and just just
keep working. Just keep going.
Yeah, there are going to be bumps along the way.
And I, I relate to that too, is whenever there is something that
I need to do, I'll make it so that.
Oh, it's, it's a, it's a Tuesday.
I, I can't start out on Tuesday.I got to go on a Monday.
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Give myself a little break, right?
Or when you look at the time, it's like it's 131, right?
I I got to make sure it's an even.
Number, you know, 100%. I got to make sure it's aligned
perfectly, but perfect. It's what even is that you know,
that's like the self-imposed definition that you have in
yourself. That doesn't really just happen,
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you know, You got to make it. Yeah, I I've heard this twice
now and it's at which point is an oak tree perfect?
You know, like when you look at when you look at plants, when
you look at like the, like a dog, you know, it's just,
they're just, they're like, they're just in that period of
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time. And we, we seem to look in
ourselves. We we go, oh, by this time it's
going to be a perfect time or I'm going to be perfect at this
time. But no, like you're not going to
be. There's no perfect time because
there's no that's all self-imposed.
Yeah, absolutely. You get to define that.
And it's like it's all just accepting where you are right
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now and doing what you can to progress despite the chaos that
might like uproot in your surroundings.
Yeah, yeah, 1000% and that's whyI found like it was, it was
pretty hard to do that last time.
And like it was literally just like those couple months, it
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resulted in like almost a year of just like not so I I don't
know, it was, it was pretty hard.
Luckily I had a couple of, I hada couple of my boys and they
sort of took me aside and they're like bro, like like what
is this? And I was like, like, it was
they, you know, they sort of like, and that that helped a lot
too, like having those guys there.
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In fact, I would say like that they're the reason why I'm, I
was able to like get back into it.
That initial kick. They sort of took me aside and
they're like, what, what are youdoing?
You know, what, what, what's happening here?
Because I've gotten, I, I ballooned.
I like I obviously I'm still. I see the muscle man, I've seen
you gained a lot of muscle in like 3 months since like we've
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started talking last year right around last year.
I. Think so I.
Noticed like you, you just gotten a lot more muscular.
Thank you bro, I really appreciate.
That not really I I see you put in the work, man, and it's just
like, I'm not going to invite a person on the podcast who's not
in that mentality, you know, whodon't don't have that dog in
them. I appreciate that bro.
That's. Sweet man.
Thank you, dude. I you're going to look back at
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this podcast, man, you're going to be like, whoa, like that.
That was Bobby Cooper. Yeah.
That's like, like, you've already made so much progress.
But then it's good to have like a cool reference point.
And that's like, kudos to the the fitness page and kind of the
the drive. But going back to the friends as
well. The way I see it when it comes
to like family and friends is this is like a reality right
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here, this line, and we deviate from it all the time.
Fucking video games. Fucking overeating, fucking sex
porn. You watching too much combat
sports, you know watching too much YouTube movies, Netflix and
our friends see that and when they're level headed, they can
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see clearly what's going on. They go, hey, Bobby, haven't get
back here, man, like you're you're deviating too much from
reality. And when that happens, they reel
you back and you're like, oh, thank you so much.
And it's a struggle. Like it's so much a struggle
because it's like, oh, you fucking call me out.
You think I'm a pussy, you know,or like you can't, you don't
know me, you know, it's like there's that little bit of
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backlash. And I think it's so important to
have friends and family to be able to be there for us.
Like see, hey, how are we doing?You know, because some I I tell
this to some of my friends, man.They know me better than I know
myself sometimes. Yeah, I get that.
It's. Crazy.
It's crazy, yeah. No, I I feel that, yeah.
Were they? Harsh.
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Were they like Bobby? Yeah.
What the fuck? Oh my God, it.
Was bad. Were they like fucking calling
you like a fat ass or something?No, they were like, dude, you're
going to die young. And I was like, fuck, even
worse. And I was like, I was like,
you're right. That's crazy.
Like. Yeah, it was, but it's.
But it's all out of love though.Oh.
Absolutely. Yeah.
No, it was, it was, it was like really tough to hear.
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But like, and in that moment it,it almost went into like a state
of just like, just like because I just, I wouldn't expecting
anything like that. And because, because one of my
friends, the one of the guys whodid it, he went on a vacation
and I think like October or something like that.
And he was not supposed to come back until like mid January, But
he came back a bit early, came around, he came back like right
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around Christmas and he said to me, he was like, I've been off
for like 2 months and I come back and there's like a big
difference in you and not in like obviously not, you're not
getting slimmer. So and like he said that and
then they were like, yeah, they they like put it on and like, it
was, it was really tough to hear, but like, I feel like I
did need to hear it. And that's probably why I'm able
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to just keep like continuing in the gym.
Like, yeah, but it was, it was intense.
Those are real friends though man.
They care about you. They want to see you with
everyone. 1020, thirty, 40-50 years later, you know what I
mean? It's just the friends that don't
give a fuck. They just want to see you get
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worse and worse because it makesthem feel better.
But it's like you're hurt when your friends not doing well.
Like you want to be able to be there for them.
And sure, it hurts because I've had a lot of friends come at me
too and be like, hey, man, like you're, you're a bit too much.
You know, you're not being kind,you're just being, you seem like
you're very angry. I don't want to be around some,
somebody like that. Or it's just like, hey, you're
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too hard on yourself. And it's like really like, no,
no, no. It's like, it sounds so bad at
first, but then you give it timeto actually reflect on it.
These are people that care because like the friends that
don't give a fuck, they just want to drink and they just want
to party and they just stand there for the good times.
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But they don't look at life holistically and go, OK, how can
this person and live happier, healthier and better, you know,
when it comes to the relationships that they have
when it comes to their success, career fulfillment, right?
And I find that the usually the people that are there for me all
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just in good times are just they're not friends.
They're not real friends, you know, versus the people that are
there for you. And like the lowest of lows,
which I've been in and they're, they're the ones that have
pulled me out that it was just like.
And they don't even have to say anything sometimes, right?
Yeah. It's just like maybe they say
it, they say that harsh thing and then they they just spend
time with you, you know, like whether you guys play video
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games or something or just have a get a workout.
Yeah. No, yeah, that that I feel that
100%. You know, is is definitely real.
Like it was, it sucked to hear it at the time, but then like,
yeah, literally like the next day I was like, all right there.
They were kind of true about it.But yeah, yeah, it's definitely
needed. Yeah, dude.
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But yeah, dude, I'm, I'm really thankful to have met you, man.
It's, I'd love to hear the story, man.
And it's just, it's filled with a lot of courage and it's always
great to see you at the gym, man.
Thank you. Always good conversations.
And I'm I'm getting into a lot of combat sports lately because
I've been listening to more Joe Rogan and Dana White and.
Yeah. I just, I just love those guys,
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man. They just like, like if I were
to like, look at masculinity, like, I'd look, look to like UFC
fighters and like all the stories that have that, that
surround that focal point. Yeah.
That the space is just so humbling and it's so
inspirational. Yeah, those those guys are
crazy, man. But like in in definitely a good
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way, like, you know, like some of the stories where it comes
from a guy I look to a lot is Khalil Roundtree.
He's one of my favorites right now.
Like absolute dog, like like he he has a big Muay Thai style,
which I'm a big fan of. And, and he was talking about
how he used to be a 300 lbs and now he fights at a 185 shredded.
Like he just like he was able tolike drop all that weight like
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through MMA training. So like, yeah, I'm, I'm a big
fan of that guy. Like that dude's sick.
Yeah, I love the stories where, like, they were like, poor or
just ridiculed from another country sometimes.
Yeah. And they just, like, overcome
that. And it's just like with combat
sports, though, the biggest thing that kind of scares
people, right, is all the surrounding stories of, like,
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the CTE, the concussions, like the actual, like, your brain is
just getting turned into marsh. Yeah, right.
And it's just like that's a given.
They, they knew that that was going to happen.
You know they're. Going into it, dude, and that's
like some of them don't have choices, right?
It's just like they go into it and it's like I need to do this
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for my family. I need to do this to have a
better life, a better future formy daughter.
And I think I, I saw this post, I forget which the name of the
fighter, but he was left. I'm sure you probably know this
fighter. He was left by his wife or
girlfriend at the time. And this was after the wife gave
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birth to their daughter who had a who was a special, special
disorder, I think. And then like years later, he's
just carrying the daughter. He's like.
AAI think that was Deontay Wilder?
Yes, yes, yes. And I'm like stories like that,
like, damn, you must. You've overcome so much
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adversity and like literally thelooking across the the Octagon,
you get to see like this other person who's in the same, like
got nothing to lose, right? Yeah.
Willing to beat the shit out of you and you're willing to get
the shit out of. Them like that's a crazy place
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to go to you like just and doingit in front of like like so many
like thousands in the arena and like the millions watching
around. It's just like, dude, that's got
to be like a crazy place to go in your.
Head I yeah, I just remember this clip of Izzy out of Sanya
like getting I think it was after a fight.
And he he grabs the mic, looks at the camera and he goes to the
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people of earth. If you guys could just
experience this level of happiness just one time, one
time, you know, and I was just thought whoa, you know, like.
I, I remember watching that live.
I was in, I was in brewhouse andthe because like he fought Alex
Pereira and I was rooting for Alex and he knocked him out.
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And when he knocked him out, I was like, I, I didn't, I was
like, damn. And then then he got on the mic
and started like dropping that. And I was like, that's badass.
Like I got. To that was.
That was badass. Yeah, that was.
Sick. Like I got to give him that.
But no, that was, yeah, that waswicked.
That was man, it's just like, man, like these fighters, dude.
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Yeah, who's I know We were talking about it at the gym,
like that guy who lost was £300 a hundred to 180 lbs.
That that was your favorite part?
Like favorite fighter? He's one of them.
My favorite fighter is like it'salways, it's always just like a
Rolodex essentially, just like depends on the day.
But Khalil Roundtree, he's always one of them.
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I like I like Alex Pereira too. He was he was alcoholic working
out like a tired. He was an alcoholic by the time
he was like 13 or something likethat, working out like a tire
shop in Brazil. And then he found a kick
kickboxing and was just like destroying people.
And then he actually that he had, he has a cool story with
Israel out of Sanya as well, because they fought each other a
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couple times in kickboxing and Alex won.
And then Izzy went to the UFC and became the champ.
And one time in an interview, they're asking him, they're
like, all this Alex guy, he knocked you out in kickboxing.
And he was like, yeah, whatever,that doesn't matter.
I'm going to be champion and he's going to be sitting in some
pub one day watching me on TV and like just he's going to be
like, oh, I knocked that guy outone time.
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And then because of that, Alex Burr went to the started like
doing MMA or he was like right around time he was starting to
do MMA and then he made it to the UFC and beat Izzy for the
belt like and it was like, dude,that's nuts.
I wonder if that would have unfolded if he didn't say about
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hey, because I wondered. There's there's that level of
like drive that makes you just want to like prove someone
wrong. Like like sure, a lot of people
will say, oh, talking shit, that's all for like a publicity
stunt. But man, some of these, some of
these talks, some of these like comebacks or like some of these
shit talking, it's like deep bro, you know, it's like, I
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don't know if that's just acting.
They say some stuff where it's just like.
Whoa, that's just like about your mother or your like like
your that this is like some background private information.
You know, where can you have gotten this?
And it's just like it's all confirmed after and it's like
that's what partly draws people into the the UFC, right, because
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we're we're drawn into stories. I we love it when before a
fight, like there's already all this like back and forth as to
like, oh, what he said this and like they've met here and like
they're what's like all this, all the tweets.
Oh, it's definitely adds to it sometimes when they say some
stuff where I'm just like, like a bit too far.
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Like don't say that, man. Like, have you heard of Colby
Covington? No, I haven't.
He he's kind of like the king ofdoing that.
Actually, he's got sort of a a cool story because he was, he
was a good fighter. Like he would just like he would
win a lot, but he was very, he didn't have much of like a
exciting personality, which likeyou got to have that as much as
you got to be a good fighter. And even though he was like
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winning his fights, they were like, yeah, I think we're going
to cut you after this next one. And he went out and he won his
next fight in Brazil. And then he got on the mic after
and was like, Brazil, you're a Trump, you guys all suck.
And everyone was just like, really?
To the. Country to the country and like,
and they were like, yeah, you got something kid.
And they just like, like he became like a big star after
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that just by being a huge prick.And like, I don't necessarily
like him because like. Even a bigger prick than Sean
Strickland. I I think so Sean Strickland
just kind of weird. Whereas like Colby, I think
he's, I think he's just fake. It's like very clearly putting
on a character and it's just saylike the most like heinous
things to be like, I'm just selling the fight, bro.
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Like he talks about like he talked about a guy's dead coach
one time and like, yeah. And there used to be a fighter
named Matt Hughes. He was, he was like one of the
first like real stars in MMA. And I think in like 2017 or
something, he was, he was involved in like a train
accident. Like he was in his truck on
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train tracks and it like hit himand he was like paralyzed for a
bit. Oh, geez.
Yeah. And then Colby fought one of his
training partners and like said some line.
He was like, you might want to take a a lesson for your buddy
Matt Hughes and get off the tracks and the trains coming
through and it was just like. Oh my God.
So yeah, he he talks about like dead people and all, like, I
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don't think he's not a good guy.Like goes too far.
So it, like, definitely was a funny story at first where he
was just like, Brazil sucks. But then it just went so deep
into this, like, yeah. They're talking about dead
people. Yeah.
It's. Just like Dang bro, like.
Like that's off limits, buddy. Yeah, maybe, maybe you shouldn't
be talking about people's dead comrades.
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And. Yeah, I I don't like him.
He's a prick. Yeah, yeah, that kind of
Speaking of like fake personalities that kind of
reminds me of like Mayweather, you know, unboxing.
It's kind of, I think he he's kind of devoid of that
personality and it's all like about money and fame.
But like he, I don't know with when it came to Manny Pacquiao
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versus Mayweather, like a lot ofthe Filipinos are like just
wanting Mayweather to fall because like he, he had this
like cocky attitude that he could like do anything and he
just dodged all the fights or dodged all the, the punches.
But it comes to a point though, where it's like you don't
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actually know this person, but it's just like, it's like a
tactic. And it also makes like when they
act like a prick or, and then the other person doesn't, it's
like puts it into like a bad, good and bad type of deal.
And we we root for that, right? We want to see like the bad guy
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fall and a good guy win. Absolutely.
But lots of the time the bad guywins, you know, And it's like,
it's like, that's the beauty of fighting, you know?
And it's just like the amount ofwork that you put in, that's
what you're going to get. Like the good versus bad type
thing. I got one that actually just
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happened about that you do you ever hear of Bryce Mitchell?
I. Think I've seen clips.
OK, basically he got himself in some some real hot water earlier
this year because he he started his own podcast and I think it
was in within like 5 minutes of the first episode he was like,
you know, I don't think Hitler was that bad and was just like
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he. Said that.
Basically like he was like, I think his exact words were like
before he did all the meth. I think Hitler was the guy to go
fishing with. And it was like, whoa, dude.
Like, I don't, I don't know. If it's, I don't know if I just.
Like all the the killing in the Holocaust.
I don't know if I agree with youon that.
And then basically he just, yeah, like, and obviously a big
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chunk of the MMA community was like, OK, fuck Bryce Mitchell.
Like, you know, I'm pretty sure that's warranted.
But it was weird because there'salso this like, there's also
this like sort of vocal chunk where they were like Bryce
Mitchell's so good. And it's just like where you're
outing yourself as a Nazi. Like, what are you doing?
Like that's so anyways, he, it was a week or so ago he fought
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this dude named John Silva, thisBrazilian guy who is part of
this group called the the fighting nerds.
And they're like the up and comers right now, like they are
taking over. And he he came out and like
choked him out in the second round.
John Silva choked out Bryce Mitchell in like the second
round. And I was in the bar watch and I
was like. Satisfied, finally got what he
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deserved. Hit his ass, man.
Like, oh, it's so good to see you.
It was like literally it was like that, like good and evil
and like good. Like how much more of like a
caricature can you get? Like you're literally beating
Nazi. Like, you know, Oh my God, it
was so sick. That's funny.
I was like, get his ass, yes. What what drew you into combat
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sports and how has it impacted your fitness journey and
mindset? So I've.
Always been on like the periphery of combat sports
because ever since I was a kid, I had friends who would train it
and like, still do. And like, they're really, really
good. So and they would always kind of
be like, Oh, you should, you know, you should try it out.
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But I was AI was a wrestling fanwhen I was a kid.
And so there was this like dichotomy between it because
obviously MMA is real and wrestling is a performance.
And I was like, like wrestling more like this martial arts
stuff is lame. But obviously as you grow up, I
sort of gave it a bit more of a chance.
And I sat down and watched the UFC card with them one time and
I was like, shit, sick, like this bad ass.
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And like, not long after the theCOVID lockdowns ended, they said
to me, because one of them, he'slike an instructor at the Dojo
now, like he's that good. And he said, dude, ioffer
private lessons. Like you can come over to my
house and we can just like, you know, screw around, see how you
like it. And it was a Muay Thai class.
I put the boxing gloves on. He taught me how to throw like,
just like the basic combinationsand all this stuff.
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And I was like, I kind of like this.
Then I went into the Dojo and yeah, it was just from there.
It was just like all this, this bad ass and I I really started
to enjoy it. So yeah, I haven't gone a little
while because at the current moment it just like things have
been just going really well withthe gym and like the membership
is a bit expensive. So it's just like, you know, I
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do intend on going back to it soon.
But as of right now, I'm just, I'm working in the gym and I
find that's good. But yeah, that's what sort of
drew me in. I always was on like the outer
edge of it and they they just kind of drew me in and like, I'm
like, yeah, boys, thanks for that.
I was sick. I, I started working out when I
was like 16 and I built, I was anatural edit built some size.
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I was friends with this guy and he was like 20 lbs lighter than
me, but he did Muy Thai and we did a little bit of wrestling
and like during a sleepover. And this is in like grade ten,
grade 11 and dude, like I my strength was just incompatible
with the the being able to put him in a in like out maneuver
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him cuz something out Muay Thai.He just put me in this like
chokehold and I couldn't move nomatter how long I was.
I benched way more than this guyand I was like, physically I was
way bigger. But just like, it's crazy just
how like the technique that you learn within combat sports,
Yeah. It's just like a person that
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trains regularly, whether they be a boxer or within Muay Thai
or any martial arts. And if put pick them up with a
person that has no training and fighting be some street fights
here and there stands no chance.Oh, of course, yeah.
It's like you see these fightersand it looks so easy, right?
And it looks, it flows so well, like just the way they they go
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about things, but just like it'sso difficult to actually fight
someone that's a. Professional.
Oh my gosh, dude, it's wicked. Yeah, like, so the buddy who
actually got me into it, he is like very smaller guy.
Like he's very skinny, like sortof bit tall and lanky.
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Like he's like half my size. And one time we were like
screwing around and we were doing like some grappling and
like, Oh my gosh, dude, it felt like it was just like a like a
fly, just like just like around me.
I'm just like, dude, what the heck is going on here?
Like he's like putting me in chokeholds and all this stuff.
I'm like, Oh my gosh, dude. Like it's nuts.
And you're essentially A rag doll against people who do train
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regularly. Oh, of course.
And it's funny because he's the most unassuming guy ever.
Like you look at him and you're just like this guy, but it's
like, oh, he could just like kill you with his hands.
Like he can just do that. It's like John Wick walking
around Walmart. Yeah, it's just like, like,
jeez, you test this sky, he'll fucking kill you.
Oh yeah. Yeah, wicked.
Have you ever considered competing or is it more about
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personal growth and fun for you?If I ever got to a point where I
was good enough to compete, I would absolutely be down for it
like that seems like yeah, I would.
The boys would all watch you, man, Everybody in Millennium,
dude. That's that's what I was just
like with Devin and Joe. You know, Devin and Joe right,
like the big guys lifting a bunch and like even I get
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excited for when they they talk about their lifts and them
wanting to go into to meets likeI want to, I want to show up
there. It's something cool.
UFC on the other hand, that'd belike a next level if you were to
like actually compete, dude, everybody would show up, man.
I. Did I did do like just a open
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tournament in the Dojo one time in in the fat guys division just
had a. Yeah, it was a fat guys
division. Well, it was sort of because
they had like weight classes. And then I came in and they were
like, yeah, you're above all of them.
But there was a few other guys who were like pretty big.
It was like 4 or five of us. And they were just like, yeah,
you guys are your own little division there.
And it was just like, yeah, it was a little Muay Thai
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tournament and I didn't come in last place.
Nice, second last. Let's go.
That's a win. That's a win.
Let's go. And I I did get a medal from it.
I it's basically basically a participation.
We got it, Let's go. But yeah, if I ever like, if I
ever got to a level where they're looking at me and
they're like, dude, you should maybe try that out.
I'm, I'm yes, yes, Sir, Like that.
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Like that'd be sick. I'd love to do something like
that. What what is training in combat
sports taught you about yourselfwhen it comes to discipline or
just motivation or just inspiration?
It's, it's pretty cool because it's just like, it's just fun
and it's just something that's enjoyable to do.
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Like I've always been a person who's been involved in sort of
like a bit of a like rougher sports.
Like I played football and then like, you know, combat sports
now. Basically it's just like it
shows you how you can, just likehow you can keep going.
Because at the end of the day, it's not like obviously getting
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punched and kicked doesn't feel good, but like it's, that's not
the worst part of it. It's like for me when I'm in
there and I'm like 5 or 6 roundsdeep and I'm just like, like
just like I've, I've almost sweat everything I have out of
me and you just like, and you'rejust like all right, keep going.
Like put up another put around. Like, yeah, like that's when
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it's just like, like you'll never feel better after like
leaving. You can like barely walk, barely
breathe and you're just, but like dude, you're just like,
yeah, I did that bro. Like you just, you went in there
and you threw some punches. You took some punches and it's
just like, it's going to, it's going to sound kind of corny
because it's just like, oh, dude, you're just doing like
weeknight classes. But it at the end of the day,
sometimes it does feel like you're just like you just went
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to war almost, you know, especially if you have like a
bit of a rougher sparring aroundwith a guy.
But yeah, no, it's, it's really good in terms of just keeping
like just to keep pushing yourself, like just one more
round, just keep on going like, because that conditioning aspect
and like, oh, it's awesome. Yeah.
Yeah, there's a power to being able to beat the shit out of
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someone and not and choosing notto do so versus you just getting
backed into a corner and you have no choice.
You know you can't fight. Like 1 is just seen as brave,
right? One is seen as your coward,
right? Being able to armor yourself
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with the tools necessary to fight and the skills to knock
someone out, Right. It's just like, whoa, this you
do not mess with this guy. Like, you know, those like
really nice kind of MMA fighters.
And they're just like, there's stories of them being seen in
public and how they're like the,the gentle giants.
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And there's like, that's power, man.
That's true power. And when it calls to them, they
will just no doubt, like kick someone's ass.
Yeah. And the thing about it is when
you learn those skills, it makesyou less likely to want to like
get in those because it's like, you know what that's about.
And obviously you don't want to just like, you know, you don't
want to have to do that stuff unless you absolutely need to.
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So it's like, you know, it's like the guys who don't know
what they're doing and the ones who are like insecure in
themselves and they're all like aggressive and stuff like that.
They're the ones who are always like picking fights because they
want to like prove how tough they are.
But like the ones who actually know what they're doing and
could like kill somebody, It's like they're the ones who don't
want to because they're because they are about it and they know
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that it's not, you know, it's not necessarily fun and games
when you're actually doing that stuff because it's different if
you're in the gym. But like if you know, some guy
just like swings at you and you're in the street, like
that's, that's like jail time and stuff like that.
You know, like you don't it, it's funny because learning how
to whip someone's ass turns you like a lot nicer.
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Like I've seen this. I've heard of like parents and
of like, it'll be like kids who are like bullies in school and
it's like, get them into a gym and they're like, why would you
do that? Like, why would you give the
bully like a, like, why would you give the bully an advantage
by letting him know how to fight?
And it's like, because in there,like, if you're in the gym,
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you're probably, he's probably going to get whatever is inside
of him. He's probably going to get it
all out in training. And in terms of like learning
that, it's like it's going to give him discipline and he's not
going to want to do that anymorebecause he, he knows, you know,
so it's kind of, it's kind of funny how like doing something
that most people would think, oh, it's going to make him a lot
more aggressive. It's like just calms you right
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down because you because you know what you can do.
Yeah, the irony of it is teaching a bully makes him not a
bully, right? Because the people that want to
establish dominance, who are masculine, who are confident in
themselves, they don't need to tell everyone.
You know, they did. They know in themselves, right?
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Yeah. Versus like, I know this when,
when it comes to like rich people, usually the rich act
like they're poor and the poor act like they're rich, right?
Yeah, like poor people who want to be seen as wealthy flaunt it
by, you know, renting out Lamborghinis and just having all
these golden chains and yeah, just renting out mansions that
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take photos and versus you see like Zuckerberg or like Warren
Buffett just walking around, youknow, in AT shirt and yeah, just
like some casual shorts. It's like when it comes to
combat sports, it's you don't need to show people your
dominant. You just, you show it by just
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competing and training. And you, you already know in
yourself that you can match thisperson.
You know that you can. You're capable, but you choose
not to. And that's discipline, right?
That's like, dude, I've heard Rogan talk about this all the
time. He goes, yeah, if you want to
stop bullying, just get everybody into martial arts.
Yeah. 100% like he's. He's so correct about that.
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Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. I still think WWE is real.
So the haters. The haters who say it's not.
No one can tell me otherwise, Yeah.
No, like I've seen blood. I've seen.
Yeah, Come on, pal. What are we doing here?
So what got you into professional wrestling and who
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are your all time favorite wrestlers?
Oh my. Man, hit the mic here.
I just when I was younger, I think I just like saw like
because I think my older cousinswere into it a little bit.
And so I'd like been seeing it for a bit.
And then I think I was like 9 or10 and I just was, I saw it on
like YouTube or TV one time and I was like, this is the shit
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like this is bad ass man. Like I am about this.
And then like excuse me like 2 weeks later, the same buddy who
actually got me into the Muay Thai and all that, he was like,
oh, it's fake right? And I was like, no, but I was.
Like I was, I was so pissed at those people that told me WWE
was fake and it started popping up on my YouTube with like
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evidence because if you they slowed down kind of John Cena's
hit and it like it missed the head.
And I'm like, no, no, no, I justthis is this is fake.
You know this. Is what you're talking about
here. You guys don't know, but yeah, I
was like, I was like, really, man, I can't even enjoy this for
like a month and then you're coming anyways.
No, but yeah, it's that was whatsort of got me into just seeing
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it and being like just seeing like huge ripped guys just
throwing each other around. That sounded kind of sucks.
Hey, man, I like that kind of stuff too.
But it's manly. Yeah, it's masculine, right?
Masculine. This is testosterone.
But John Cena is looking a bit nice these days.
No, some of my favorites. I love Brett Hart because I'm,
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I'm mad biased because he's likethe Canadian wrestler.
I'm like, that's my goat right there.
Bret Hart, Kevin Owens, he's oneof the newer guys.
I I met him a few years ago and he was really nice to me.
Like he was sick. Also Canadian, which does not
hurt CM Punk because I had AI had a big appreciation for him
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when when I was younger and thenhe he left wrestling and he was
gone for like almost like 10 years.
Now that he came back and I'm like Oh my God dude this is so
sick. CM Punk's back.
I was going to say like, yeah, no, he was around by the time
when I was really interested in some wrestling because he was
like the bad guy CM Punk. Like they kind of marketed him
as like a person that like just devious and.
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Just can't trust he had he had some wicked characters going.
He was pretty cool. Excuse me.
And this might just be because it's his retirement tour right
now, but John Cena, because thisis his final year, tonight is
his last WrestleMania match. And I'm just like, I hope he
because if he wins the belt tonight, he breaks the all time
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record for the amount of times held the belt.
So I'm kind of like let's go John, get after it.
Yeah, those guys are some of my favorites and just I was just
seeing it when I was a kid. It was just one of those things
where I'm like, yeah, this is it.
And it's just like I got lucky because it never, like I never
stopped enjoying it, you know? But yeah, that's that's what it
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was for me. Yeah, there's just the like
seeing Randy Orton with that. He's not around now, is he?
Oh, he still wrestles. Yeah.
Oh yeah, yeah, he's going. He's wrestling tonight.
Too Wow, like what's this move called the RKO?
The RKO or like seeing like their highlight moves and like
testing it out on your sister, man.
It's just like I tested some moves on my sister, but she had
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dude, she had three inches on me.
Like she was like she's three years older then I was like I'd
be, I was 6 at the time and she was 9.
And dude, like I, I learned fromthe best.
I was the opposite man. I got in so much trouble because
my sister was little and I'm like, come here.
She's like, stop. And I I was like, I got to do
the F5. It's like, I'm sorry.
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Like I'll do it on the bed. It's fine.
Like you're not going to like hit the floor.
Isn't she run and cry Mom. My mom was like, stop it.
Like, yeah, I can't. I'm locked in on this.
Remember, like, what's that Rey Mysterio move?
The 619. Yeah, that one was wicked.
Oh my God. Like the Undertaker move where
he, like the tombstone. Yeah, he put the guy on upside
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down and then go. Yeah.
And then and then go on his knees and just crush the guy's
head. Yeah.
Yeah, that one was just crazy, dude.
Rey Mysterio's son is wrestling now.
Oh, really? Yeah, Dominic Mysterio is.
He also wearing the mask. No, he doesn't.
He doesn't have a mask. The thing is, he, he and Ray,
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like our our rivals, like they came in at the beginning and he
was, they were like A tag team. Then he joined up with the with
like the villains they were fighting.
And now he's grown this like greasy mustache and like this
mullet and all this. He's like, yeah, my dad was a
deadbeat and all this stuff. Oh, it's great.
He comes out in a crowd and justhates his ass.
It's hilarious. Yeah, I love the stories that
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surround themselves, man. It's just like, I also like it
when they just start attacking the referee.
It's like like, yeah. Or where the the Midget fights,
man, those are always my God, what's that?
The Hornswaggler? Hornswoggle swag.
Yeah, yeah, that one with that other guy.
And it was like A tag team with El Torito.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, that one was crazy.
Dude, I I love that one. It was just like.
They like made just one time they just did a whole match that
was a giant short joke. Like they did.
It was like a tables, ladders and chairs match, but it was
like short ladders, small tables, small chairs.
The referee was short and they had their own announce team come
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out comprised of like little people who were parodying the
actual announcers. Like, oh, it was, it was
literally just like, just like an entire like little person
joke over the course, like 20 minutes.
That's hilarious. That's so funny.
Yeah, I did stuff like that. I just like, you know, hits
home, you know? It's like really.
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It's just like, not only was it just like, badass, but there's
also just like, funny moments like that.
It's just like it's cool and youjust like the moves that they
show. It's just you wanted to do it
yourself. Yeah.
And like they always say, don't try this at home, but come on.
No one, no one, listen, no one'sfollowing that.
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And like if you if you saw your favorite wrestler beating some
other guy with the the the chair, that black chair they
always have, you best know I gotto try it.
It was one time me and my buddies were trying to make like
YouTube videos as a kid. And it was like, because they
were the martial artists and I was the wrestling fan, it was
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going to be this sort of joke video of like wrestling versus
martial arts. And I was like, dude, I can hit
you with a chair. Like I know how to do it and you
won't get hurt. And they're like, bro, we're not
doing that. And I was like, no, come on, I
watch wrestling. I know what I'm doing.
I had no idea what I was doing. I was just like, let me hit you
with the chair, bro. And they were like, you are not.
We are not giving your ass a chair, you freak.
But. I'm going to do it anyways.
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Tense up your back. Yeah, dude, what they do is
actually so like impressive, like being able to, you have to
be an Acrobat, an actor, and youhave to sync everything.
And it's like it's like a live play, one take, right, One take.
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And it's, it has to look believable from all angles and,
and on camera. And it's just, and, and doing
that in a way where it doesn't give somebody brain damage as
well, which I'm sure they probably suffer a lot from as
well. Because like getting your head
hit some like a lot of those blows.
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Like, yes, maybe they're, they're scripted, but it's, it's
still real. Yeah, of course.
Like it's, it's awesome. It's such a.
Cool medium because it's like it's like they're fictional
characters who exist in our realm.
Like they're like they're like, you know, if you go up to a
restaurant on the street, you'renot going to it's not like an
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actor. Like if I saw Brian Crass on the
street, I'm not going to go up to him and be like Walter White.
It's so nice to meet you. But like if if it's a wrestler,
you go up to them and it's like you call them by the persona.
I'd go up and say the Undertakeris so nice to meet you.
I wouldn't say, hey Mark, how you doing?
Like it's, it's so, or like I'veseen so many videos of it about
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it. It's just saturated now where
Like they see John Cena, but they can't, you know, they're
like, where's where's John? Where's where's John?
What? Is this who's he talking to?
There's no one there. Yeah, no.
Can't see me Fuck if you or how do you think pro wrestling has
influenced your attitude towardsfitness or self-expression?
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Fitness, it definitely influenced it in a positive way
because obviously, like when you're a kid watching it, those
are the people. Heck, I I still look up to some
of them, but yeah, it's like, you look up to those guys and
you're like, oh, those dudes arethe shit.
And like they're all stacked. So it's like, or at least in
like good athletic shape. And it's like, oh, I want to, I
want to be like those guys. So you know, that definitely
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influences it in that way. But yeah, that's so fitness,
it's a positive influence. self-expression is a bit more of
a tricky 1 to say because like I've never done it before, but
it gives a lot of, I think it, it gave me a huge respect for
like performers and stuff like that because like seeing the
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intricacies and all of it. And like when once you gain
appreciation for it, it's like, excuse me, it's like, oh, those
dudes are sick. So it gave me a big respect for
that. And in a sense, I think it also
made it like myself. If I had to do like a
performance, it made it easy. Like there was times when I like
being in like plays when I was in school and all that stuff.
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It was, it was always easy. If I had to ever give like a
presentation or like public speaking, in a sense it was, you
know, it wouldn't a big deal forme.
So I feel like it sort of gave me an appreciation for that.
And thus it made it, it's not something that's like super hard
for me to do because in my mind it's like, oh, if those guys are
out there like doing flips and going through tables in front of
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thousands of people, I can get up in front of like 20 people
and talk about a slideshow, you know?
So I feel like that's it's helped me in that like sort of
giving me a skill of being able to like, you know, easily speak
in public and stuff like that. It's not like a really hard
thing for me. By seeing your idols go up on in
the ring is is it a ring? Yeah, yeah, it's a ring.
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Yeah, yeah. And then just jump off the the
ropes and just do it. Being half naked and having a
script and see in the world, seeing them, it's it gives you
this. Wow factor of oh for sure.
Wow, anything is possible and wecan place so much emphasis on
this presentation. But when it comes down to is
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this is just small compared to, you know, my idols and they've
kind of surpassed all these, allthe worries and doubts.
And you could you could kind of just embody that.
What would, what would John Cenado right, or CM Punk do?
And with the mic coming, coming out of the, their, their intros,
right. And it's just like I, I remember
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as a kid too, I, I did like the Triple H kind of he remember
when he did the X and he'd like have a bunch of water in his, in
his mouth and he'd like spit it all over the place.
Oh yeah. I did it so many times that it
just like I did it in public. I just didn't care.
And I just built so much confidence in me.
Man oh dude yeah it's a bad ass 100%.
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Yeah, if you had to come up withyour own wrestling persona, what
would your name, gimmick and finishing move be?
It's morphed so much over the years.
I think when I was, like 10 years old, I had so many, like,
sketchbooks filled up with, like, what I would be as a
wrestler. Yeah, dude, it was all I thought
about. Like, I'd be in class.
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They're like, dude, can you, like, listen to the lesson?
I'm like, shut up. I'm thinking about Monday Night
Raw last night, like, you know, But yeah, like, I still do think
about it sometimes, which is kind of funny.
The name I like is, I think it just kind of has a good ring to
it. It's the name I just use for my
social media. Bobby 2 Chainz.
I think that would just be a cool name.
That's. The origination, Hey, Well, it
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wasn't. That it was one time that just
in the football locker room, there was one of my teammates
just called me Bobby 2 Chainz. And I was just like, I like
that. That's cool.
I'm I'm taking that. But yeah, I think I would use
that as a name. And they say like the people who
know wrestling and like people who are like in that business,
they say one of the best like characters or like the best
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characters are just the person'spersonality, like just maxed
out. So I'd probably, I'd try and
find like, you know, some just like the most like captivating
or like catching aspects of my personality and try to just like
amp those up. I've always loved the idea of
being a heel, like the villain, because you just go out in front
of the crowd and just be a complete prick.
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And like the more the crowd hates you, they're like, yeah,
you're really good at your job. Like it's they just get just be
paid to go out and be like, I hate all of you.
Like that'd be so much fun. Yeah, dude.
And just like that would help somuch with just like absorbing
negativity 'cause you just like you get to flip it on and off,
just like flip it off. And it's just like, oh, I don't
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give a fuck what everyone says. You know, you just like go out
there and say whatever is on your mind 'cause I think for the
most part, negativity comes easyto us.
And if you can just, like, go about it and just portray every
single interaction of something that's, you know, making life
worse or this, yeah, just like you feed off that energy, it
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actually fuels you. It's like, man, they're some of
those villains, dude. They they're living the life.
No. Did you go ahead and just take
your day out on this paying crowd?
And they're like, and they pay you for it and they're like,
thanks, man. Like, you know, oh, that's
great. Yeah.
And yeah, dude, are you, what doyou got planned out for, you
know, working out or just combatsports?
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I'm going to be going back to doing a Muay Thai class pretty
soon here. Like I've, I've had to itch back
for a little while now, like I want to get back in the ring and
you know, throw some punches andall that stuff.
So I do intend on getting back to that pretty soon for working
out. I'm just sticking with my
routine as it currently is, and hopefully the weight comes off
with it. Yeah, dude, yeah.
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I'm just gonna stick with what I'm doing, try and remain
consistent, and hopefully the results will come.
Awesome. Yeah, we'll have to have you on
again. And thank you so much for coming
on the Long Term Podcast. Thank you for having me man this
is great I enjoyed this a lot it.
Has been a pleasure. It's been awesome.
Yeah, I appreciate you and I look forward to the gains and
success and added to more workouts in the future.
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And yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, man, yeah.
And I I wish you good luck with all this stuff here and the
pocket like you got a great setup going.
You clearly take some pride in it.
So I hope that that all pays offfor you and I hope I hope this
does well Yeah. You know, thank you, bro.
Thank you for. Having me, yeah, this wouldn't
be possible without the people that come on and share their
stories and passions. It's like, awesome.
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It's a good time. Absolutely.
And as always, to everyone listening and watching, there is
a place for you in this chaotic world.
Never lose hope, strengthen yourfaith and keep it long term.
Bobby Cooper, everyone. Peace.
Peace beast. Heck yeah, man.