Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards

Alex and Luke Talk Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards, the puffball’s iconic 3D side-scrolling adventure for the Nintendo 64. Developed by HAL Laboratory and released in 2000, this game introduced players to the unique ability to combine powers, creating some truly wild and creative abilities for Kirby to wield as he battles the forces of Dark Matter across a beautifully colorful universe.

At the time of this recording, Kirby 64 holds a Metacritic score of 77, with its main story taking around 4 hours to complete, according to How Long to Beat. Both Alex and Luke revisited the game on Nintendo Switch Online + Expansion Pack, with plenty of laughs, nostalgic moments, and minimal gripes.

Join the duo as they discuss the game’s unique charm, its place in the Kirby series, and whether or not it holds up after all these years.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:22):
yo, welcome to another episode of low five
gaming.
A book club style podcast wheremyself, alex and then co-host
and brother Luke pick a videogame, try and beat it and talk
about our experiences.
A backlog book club, if youwill.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
What's up, Luke?
Backlog book club.
What's up, man?
You know I made this joke offcamera, but it was just so good
I have to repeat it.
This joke off camera, but itwas just so good I have to
repeat it.
You know, I just inhaled mymicrophone stand and absorbed
its abilities, and I'm going touse my podcasting skin right now
.
So what's up, dude?

Speaker 1 (00:52):
I can dig it.
Yeah, man, suck it inmicrophones, suck it in
abilities, just like our boyKirby.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Our overlord, all-powerful deity Kirby,
absolutely.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
So why Kirby 64?
Dude?
This game was my pick andsurprisingly so, yeah.
Well, I'm a Kirby fan dude.
Like I'm into Kirby.
I'm always down for a nicelittle jaunt in Kirby land.
What's Kirby land?
They got like Popstar Dreamland.
There we go.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Popstar is like the first planet, though like a
reoccurring planet.
I think that might be like hishome one, maybe, I don't know,
maybe dream world.
This doesn't matter.
Clearly we're not that deepinto the lore, but we fucks with
some kirby we're coming off ofthe legend of link, if you will
and see what you did there.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
Yeah, right and that was uh, that was a long game.
I actually did you end upbeating it.
Did you roll credits?

Speaker 2 (01:41):
um, I recently beat the last temple, letting leading
like that's like on the map.
So I think there's like a finaltemple I have to go to, but in
a nice way, I'm like slowburning it, I like nice pretty
intense when we were potting forit, obviously, but since then I
have not abandoned it, but Ipick it up like once every few
days and kind of goof around andI've leisurely enjoyed myself

(02:02):
that's nice, dude, that's uh,I've done similar, but probably
more, even more leisurely.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
So, like it's been uh , every like, I mean to me, like
once a week I'll pick it up andplay and poke around a little
bit, but that's fun, like Ithink it's a great game for that
.
And uh, to your point or Idon't know if you're trying to
make that point or not, but it'strue, man, when doing a podcast
with games it could feel likehomework.
So it's kind of nice to to feellike, uh, the assignment is
over and now you get to fullyenjoy it for for your leisure,
sure, but anyways, as a longergame.

(02:28):
And I was like, okay, just likedid a longer game, not like the
longest game, but uh, did alonger game.
And I knew that I was going tobe guesting on another podcast
playing a, a game that was goingto take around 30 hours.
So I was like I gotta, I gottwo games I gotta do this month.
So how am I gonna do this?
Well, I wanted to pick ashorter game.
So I I came to the discord withfive options doom 64,

(02:54):
castlevania legends, kirby 64,comic zone and sonic the
hedgehog 2.
When I asked our community tovote and we had a three-way tie.
Actually our boy, I think ryancame in after the deadline and
voted for cast.
Lady legends would have put itover the top.
But too bad, deadline's adeadline.
But so we had a three-way tieand to break that tie I took a

(03:17):
page out of the homie uh davefrom tales from the backlog.
When he has a tie in his votes,he'll have a um, a CPU match
between the smash bros players,right?

Speaker 2 (03:28):
Yeah, that's actually this is great.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
Um, yeah, it's good.

Speaker 2 (03:32):
So I wanted to.

Speaker 1 (03:32):
I wanted to kind of bite that, but you can give it a
little flair.
So, uh, I don't even know ifI've talked about this on the
pod much, but but WrestleMania2000 should be in my GOAT games.
I don't know why it's not, butI love that fucking game for the
64, dude.
So I took the three-way tie, Ibrought him into WrestleMania

(03:56):
2000 for the 64 and had athree-way matchup between Kane
representing Doom, gangrelrepresenting Castlevania Legends
legends and x-pac representingkirby 64.
Now these make sense to me, butthese are wrestlers from, like
my high school, like time so doyou do you understand the
correlations?

Speaker 2 (04:17):
not at all, and I think your high school time is
generous dog.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I think this is like your middle school elementary
time all these two wrestlershave like long like this do be
true in this shit for a longtime.
But now you're right though.
You're right though Probablymiddle school, to be honest,
because if it's a generation athousand my guy.
Yeah, good, Good job beingsmart bro.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Yeah, nailed it.

Speaker 1 (04:42):
That is a good point, man fucking getting old.
But anyways.
Xbox from D-Generation X.
Does it suck it?
You've probably seen that inthe NBA from people like Anthony
Edwards, joel Embiid.
I thought Triple H invented thesuck it.
Well, he was part ofD-Generation X for a while.
The wrestling heads know.

(05:04):
Yeah, they know, I look arounda little bit with the wrestling,
but not like I never got superinto it.
A lot of that shit waspay-per-view and stuff like that
or I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Indeed.
The video games always slap,though, and for some reason I
had some of the action figures,maybe either passed down from
you or just like garage sailedup, but I had a handful that was
pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
So I'm like garage sailed up but, um, I had a
handful that was pretty cool, soI'm not hating.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
The point is degeneration x.
Suck it, kirby, get it, got it.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Yep, I'm there now, uh ganger was a vampire and
kane's like this weird devildude.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
So there you go pretty much all these dudes are
in smash bros, so I'm surprisedyou just didn't do that.
But I guess you wanted to doyour.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
I was trying to like steal dave's thing and then like
, but without like straight upstealing it.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Sure, it was fun, though Illegally distinct bit
from Dave, I respect that Indeed.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
So, yeah, I set up that match and had three
computer players, just like youknow.
Let the AI do its thing andafter about 15 minutes we had a
winner.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
I hope your wife walked in and was like what's
going on here, and then youexplained and then you walked.
She probably walked away likewhy do I ask?
Why did I do that?

Speaker 1 (06:11):
I don't think she came in during this bit, but she
like, of course, like I had thegame out so I was going to play
it.
So she came in while I wasplaying it.
She's like, ok, ok, no, right,that's funny.
So kirby wins.
But that's why kirby, that'swhy kirby we uh, I put it up to
the community to vote had a bitof a tie, so I had some fun with
it and then landed us withkirby 64, which I'm not

(06:31):
disappointed in well, you knowit's funny because I mentioned
like it's odd that it's aselection from you, not because
you know you are a kirby fan.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
We played um the 3d kir Kirby a while back and we've
both played Kirby on the GameBoy a lot.
But I'm the one who has anostalgic little vibe with Kirby
64, specifically because forour younger listeners there's
this wild place calledBlockbuster that we all hated.
But remember fondly now Dude, Ilove Blockbuster.

(07:00):
What are you talking about?
You hated Blockbuster,everybody did dude.
No, fondly now dude I loveblockbuster.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (07:03):
you hated blockbuster , everybody did dude no I feel
like you did, but you didn'tlike it was tight, but your
parents never wanted to go andyou're always hearing about all
these late fees in like what's aweek?

Speaker 1 (07:18):
we do, we did not I swear to god, dude like we wrote
mom like once a week maybe,maybe the tail end.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, regardless, we got kirby 64 one time and, uh, I
believe although we'll get intoit later I beat it as a kid
once a week, dude, becausethere's the late insane yeah, no
, uh, as a kid I beat this.
I got it from blockbuster and,like, usually I'd play a game
and I'd try to figure it out.
But when you're like six, seven, eight, like your reading

(07:47):
skills aren't always like superup top to figure out what's
going on and, uh, I beat kirby,I rolled credits and I like ran
I think I've told it on the potI like ran up to boss, like mama
, like I beat this game isn'tthat cool.
And she was like good job,champ, I'm gonna go handle
business over here, but tight,and that was a really big deal
for me um after playing throughit this time around.

(08:08):
I like doubt for some reason nowthat I actually did beat it.
But you know what?
Why not just remember itfinally for what it was, this
epic triumph in my childhood?

Speaker 1 (08:17):
and the game, the game slaps you may have rolled
credits, like sometimes, when Ithink about this kind of stuff,
especially with platformers,dude, I think that in today's
world we have like I hate tolike lean into the add thing
because everybody's likeundiagnosed, add whatever, but
you know, there's there's truthto it, but nonetheless, like I
think that, like because we haveso many games and we're like

(08:39):
always moving in the next one,like we're less apt to spend the
time to learn levels and tolearn like the bosses, like
patterns and stuff, whereas likebecause there's certain games
like mario, I mean other thingsthat, um, I mean they're tough,
dude, like even as an adult, andbut I was playing them as a kid
and you, like, you just put inenough time and enough reps
where you you probably did rollcredits, probably got the false

(09:01):
ending.

Speaker 2 (09:01):
Oh, definitely got the false ending, oh, definitely
got the false ending dog.
No.
So I'm playing this time aroundand the first few levels I'm
like this is cute.
I remember some of this.
I love the abilities.
We'll get into that later.
But then as I started tocontinue to march on to make
sure I beat it because we can'tpick up a short game and then
not beat it, especially if it'sKirby and I beat it as a child

(09:22):
like I have to right, and thenI'm like dying all the time and
getting like low-key, frustrated.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
I'm like there's no abby, this is a kid well,
there's a couple things, though,like you and you when you
brought this up, because dude100, I feel like the first, like
two, two to three worlds arepretty easy, and then the
training wheels come off andit's like whoa, wait, a wait.
A second man Like this justturned into a real platformer.
Yeah, but, um, but you know, itdoes something that you'll see

(09:49):
in other platformers and it'syou don't get it.
You get a game over, but itdoesn't send you back to square
one.
In that sense, it's not like anice little shame moment, but it
will.
it will bring you back A gameover, will bring you back to the

(10:09):
beginning of whatever stage ofthe level you're on.
So, if you're like and some ofthe levels have checkpoints, so
if you get to a certain you knowyou will have to start over,
but you have three lives againand it's actually like kind of
nice because, uh, to bring up uh, celeste as a platformer, you
know like it's.
It's one, I think, a greatexample of how easily it is to
become frustrated with aplatformer when you're like
running into a wall and you justcan't pass something, or you're
like whatever Sometimes, likeyou know, during our last
episode I talked about likesetting down the controller,

(10:30):
leaving and coming back to itand then just beating whatever
it was, and I think that whatKirby does and a lot of
platformers do this, but it'sreally I was thinking about this
as playing how nice it is whenyou run into that like
repetitive fail for them torestart you and be like, hey,
get out of this thing thatyou're doing right now, like
reposition yourself a little bitand have another go at it from

(10:50):
square one I suppose part of myfrustrations is just the fact
that I'm such a like finickydumbass, because a big thing in
this game is combinable powers.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
So there's the, the classic like kirby.
You suck up your enemy, you eatup their ability and you get
that skin or that ability for alittle bit.
In this game you can kind of dothis you like hit the bumper
and then the star comes out inthe color of whatever it is and
then you chuck it at a new enemyand you can combine all of your
abilities right and dude.
How many times did you just getwrecked by enemies because you

(11:25):
were trying to like?
combine and figure stuff out andyou weren't being careful and
like you smashed into somethinglike three times and almost died
just to just to figure out ifit was like oh, so this, and
this is a flame sword, Got itTight, Sure Uh dude, the level
spot, level five, I think Icalled shiver star or whatever.

Speaker 1 (11:47):
But it's an ice world , yeah, and there's a couple of
the electric dudes floatingaround and or there's one
electric tube floating aroundand in his little cloud, and
then you've got like the cutterguy, uh, and like I was trying
to get double electric because Iwanted to see what it did I
hadn't done it yet, or maybe Idid earlier on, I don't know
what the fuck I was doing butbasically I would beat the
electric cloud dude, steal hisability, and then if you move

(12:11):
the screen, like if you move offand go back, the enemy
repopulates.
Yeah, and it's right at thisledge and with the way that he
was floating, I just missed himover and over and over and I was
trying to get the doubleability out of it.
I spent like way too long untilI finally got it it's like it's
funny how engrossing.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Like in today's climate I feel like that's less
of an engrossing mechanic, but Ican attest to the fact that
like as an elementary school kid, I thought that was like so
crazy.
Like, growing up on like smashbros and the game boy uh, kirby
games, I was just like so intothe fact that I had these
combined powers and I thought itwas so cool.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
I'm pretty sure it was the advent of like.
This is the only kirby gamethat combined.
I can't remember do you combinepowers in any other new ones
dude, I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (12:59):
I think it's still like a fairly unique process
it's a cool mechanic for sure.
Yeah, and it's just as an adult, like as a kid, I found it so
like fun and I was like patient,whereas as an adult I just keep
dying on accident Cause.
I'm just like obsessing overfiguring out like what the
different combos are.
It was pretty funny.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
There's seven copy abilities in total and then
combining them in different sets, I think you get up to like 28
different variations of powers.
Is what I was reading.
Okay, and they're cool.
Man, like I often will defaultto just doubling up like fire,
fire, rock, rock, because theytend to be pretty powerful like
snowball.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Snowball is just a ginormous snowball and you plow
through your enemies and youdon't think but they're all fun
though.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
So like where the?
Where is the?
Where the rock rock is like agiant rock when you just turn
into a big rock, kirby, and youkind of like it's like actually
but it is powerful though, andyou're invincible, so that's
dope, unless you're.
You know there's certain thingscan hurt you, but uh, enemies
can't hurt you.
But the ice, the, the ice, uh,huge snowball is fun because
instead of walking you'rerolling and you like, just like

(14:06):
a snowball and you like bringenemies in with you and you hit
a wall or whatever.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
They all kind of scatter there's just like little
, like I did find that charmingyeah, yeah, that, that's fun or
the spike in the fire.
You, I remember as a kid Ialways thought the spike in the
fire was really cool, becauseyou turn into like a bow and
arrow, like a fire bow and arrowright and uh, there's one
forget what it is but you havelike a giant darth maul ass

(14:31):
double bladed sword, both fireand electric.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
That one's pretty sick I got that one, uh, during
this playthrough and I was likethis is dope, darth maul sword
like what our lightsaber dude uh, but it's kind of like in
practice like I was, like thisis not the best ability, but
it's the coolest looking one,that's for sure, or?

Speaker 2 (14:49):
the bomb.
You just shoot missiles out ofyour mouth, just honing missiles
, which was like really,actually pretty dope military
industrial and militaryindustrial and fucking complex
kirby, hell yeah dude, the uhspark spark.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I like too, even though, like you, uh, when you,
when you hit it, like you gointo that daze afterwards which
you're vulnerable during, butit's pretty powerful right at
the first blast.
Spark spark, yeah, the twoelectricities.
You just have this giantelectric field and you're just
kind of untouchable nah, man,like for a second, but then then
you go into a daze or whateverand they can come.

(15:26):
I mean you, you can still movearound and stuff, but you're
it's, it's not impenetrable.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
The the field, no, I suppose I thought it was really
cool that, like it helps you ripthrough the level and sometimes
they're overpowered, so youkind of make the difficulty on
your own by obsessing overlittle things.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
The cutter cutter.
You know that that's like theboomerang thing, where the
cutter cutter is just like ahuge variation of it.
It goes through the floor, thewall, it just kills anything in
its path.

Speaker 2 (15:56):
The problem is I'm always trying to move and throw
it at the same time, but youcan't jump again until it comes
back.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
So the amount of times I died being a dumb ass is
more than I'm willing, becauseit like separates your body,
like it's a huge chunk of youand you can just wreck the mini
bosses.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
But what I do like is that, like they have their kind
of classic platformer set piecebosses that were actually quite
involved and pretty cool andnot only are you encouraged to
drop your ability, but sometimesthe bosses.
You can only get hurt by thestuff they drop.

Speaker 1 (16:26):
So they like force you.

Speaker 2 (16:28):
Yeah, they like force you to dance with them, which I
thought was pretty cool.

Speaker 1 (16:31):
Real quick.
A little caveat you mentionedmany bosses and I didn't quite
notice.
I just considered that minibosses as well.
But when I was reading up justa little bit on this game, it's
actually strays from typicalKirby format where there are
mini bosses or mid bosses andit's actually what they call

(16:52):
room guarders, so it's just alarger version of enemies.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
You've been running into that spawn little versions
of themselves, so it's still amini boss of enemies you've been
running into that spawn littleversions of themselves.

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Uh, so it's still still.
What did you call them?
Uh, room guarders is what thegame refers to.
I mean, it's not in the gamebut like the lore, sure, sure,
sure, sure.
But they're like largerversions of the enemies, the
regular enemies, with morehealth, and they're set up like
a mini boss, so like it's stilla mini boss, but that was like a
thing you know you get theintense music and then you just
cheese them with whateverability you have at the time,
right right, right for all those.
I pretty much just use my strongabilities to knock them down.

(17:26):
I also noticed, too, likethere's certain things, like
it's funny, I don't want to like.
I actually quite enjoyed thisgame and it's a it's one that
I've seen throughout theinternet like it's ragged on a
little bit, like uh, it's it'sbeen, overall, I would say, has
a positive reception, uh, evenwhen it, when it came up, for
sure, but the knocks against itare it's too easy uh, which I

(17:46):
find humorous because both of uslike ran into some choke points
and some like difficulty spikeswhere I was like dang yeah,
yeah, uh don't know what I'd bedoing if I was playing some like
dark souls or something.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
I don't know you get to jump like.
King dv is like a playable ishcharacter.
It's kind of like, um, you jumpon his back and you swing some
hammers it's a little set piecewithin a level here and there.
And there's this point whereyou have to like run by all
these like robots that aresmashing their hammers down.
Do you remember that?
Yeah, yeah, that insta killsyou yeah, it's just about.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Any large thing that like comes in, like pins you
down, is going to be an instakill, which can be really
frustrating I had to save scumwith the save states to get
through that dude you.
That's hilarious.
There was a point where I waslike I wish I could cheat in
this game like no I forgot dude,I totally forgot that we're
safe states because I did play.
I played uh for a little bit onmy 64 on my nintendo 64.

(18:45):
And then there was one nightwhere I was like, yeah, I'm not
gonna sit in my office andcontinue to play this entire
game, like I want to play thison my bed.
So I signed up the uh, it's onswitch for the nso or whatever,
yeah, and conveniently, like Ihad only plowed through like the
first world um on my nintendo64 and that's like right, where
my save state was not save statebut where I had saved the game

(19:07):
last when I was playing on.
So it was like I was able topick it up there, uh, but I
totally forgot about save stateswell, dude, I was like I
clearly beat it as a little putan asterisk on your win, right?

Speaker 2 (19:17):
it's not that hard of a game, right, right, so like I
can do it.
And it is made this one ofthose classic nintendo things
where adults are like it's nothard enough.
I'm like this kirby, that'smade for the chair in dud, but
also for me, bro but no, andit's like it was difficult
enough, dude.
I was like getting frustratedand didn't have the patience, so
I was like I'm gonna use somesave states here and I cheesed

(19:41):
it and I have no regrets.
Dude, it was that's funny.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
There was a.
That's the funny thing you like?
I can't believe I didn'tremember about the save states,
because there was a point when Iwas like man, the rewind
feature would be kind of nice.

Speaker 2 (19:51):
Right now you don't get to use that with the n64 for
some reason, like you do withlike the super nintendo ones,
but I missed it.
There are some times I reallywish I had it that like breaks
games for me, like I'll beplaying sports games and I'll be
like oh, let me just do arewind.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
I'm like that's just, that's just for old nso games,
to make them accessible not tocheat all the time and I like it
, and we've talked about this alittle bit before, I think.
But like the, the thing is itdoes.
It does change your experiencewith the game so much.
But uh, but that's all right.
Like I don't know, it'swhatever, I'm just here.

Speaker 2 (20:21):
I'm just here for the ride, dude.
Yeah, I'm just here for theride.
Uh, you want to read thisintense story because they're
you know it was cute and they'rerunning around, but I never
paid a lick of attention.
So you want to read?

Speaker 1 (20:32):
all this?
Uh, yes, I do, bro.
So when I was digging around, Idid find out that the manual
for this game has a story.
So you don't get the story inthe game.
Is there text?

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Dialogue there's just little cute characters running
around looking like something'simportant to do.
I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
There's a story unfolding, but it's all visual
and they don't really get intoit.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
It's Kirby, but Kirby's going through a divorce.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
He's kind of down on his dumbs dude that's gonna
sprinkle in a little kirby music, for folks set the scene in a
distant corner of the galaxy.
Fairies lived peacefully on theplanet called ripple star.
But then one day a mysteriousblack cloud appeared and
surrounded the peaceful planet.
The cloud a sinister forceknown as Dark Matter had come in

(21:18):
search of the fairy's secrettreasure, their shining crystal.
Whoa, it's always some shardsand stuff man Right.
A fairy named Ribbon knew thatdreadful things would come to
pass if Dark Matter gainedcontrol of the powerful crystal.
She grabbed the shining stoneand escaped from Ripple Star
just before the planet wascompletely engulfed.

(21:39):
But as Ribbon fled, three darkclouds split from the mass of
dark matter to chase her throughspace.
And when they caught up withher and attacked, the fairy's
crystal shattered into tinyshards which dropped like
falling stars in the solarsystem.
Still holding, one of thecrystal shards fell onto the
planet called pop star where,perhaps by fate, she ran smack

(22:00):
into kirby.
After hearing her desperateplight, kirby resolved to help
ribbon recover all of thecrystal shards that's what I was
up to when I was playing thegame.
For sure, dude can you tell I'vebeen uh reading to my baby for
the past year, every night.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
No doubt there Dude that's funny Down in the
construction site.
Tough trucks work with alltheir might.

Speaker 1 (22:24):
I always think it's fun in these older games.
That's what's that one calledagain.

Speaker 2 (22:30):
Good Night Construction Site.
You'll get there.
You got it.
We just got that one, yeah.
Yeah, that's really long forwhen they're younger, but we're
talking about other baby stuff.
Kirby, right now.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Indeed, I was loving the magnitude RIP manuals.
That's all I got to say aboutthat.
It's not all I got to say aboutthat.
I love manuals, rip and I love,would like, whatever lower the
game.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
They're just like put it in the manual yeah, that was
someone's job back in the daywas just write that out and
they're like, hey, I love itit's funny, like now that I
played the game I look at that,I'm like, yeah, I guess that's
what played out yeah, I'm likethere's a painter guy that has
some abstract painting abilities.
That's not the person we'retalking about, but that's a
common kirby thing.
Yeah, it's a person.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
That's headline is, I believe, the name of that.
So that's sure, yeah, so, butit's so, that's cool.
The, uh, adeline and waddle dis another, like the dude that
kind of looks like kirby, Idon't know, I think, while these
entire race or whatever, butthe d's, I have no idea.
Yeah, with the spear and thebandana, yeah, yeah, and then,
uh, king ddd, who's a good guy,yeah, so those are all

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reoccurring characters, likefrom the nests game boy all the
way up to super nintendo, and soit's fun to see them in here
and it was also fun I can'tremember it's been so long since
I've done the super nintendogames like what your relation is
to king ddd, but in in thishe's like your main enemy and
then, like in later kirby's,like they find kind of fun ways
to to make them allies.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
Frenemies is probably the best.

Speaker 2 (23:58):
So just straight up allies.

Speaker 1 (23:59):
Yeah, he's like a playable character in a lot of
the new games, like straight upYep, and so Crystal Shards the
whole Dark Metal, because theytake over these folks, their
psyches, and they make them evilLike Echoes and Zelda, Echoes
of Wisdom, dude.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
Oh man, it's all coming together.

Speaker 1 (24:19):
Nintendo, shit, nintendo's got a well they're
like get to the well draw upfour tropes so Waddle, dee,
adeline and King Dedede are likethe first three bosses that you
have to fight, and then, whenyou expel the darkness from them
, they all become allies again.
And then it goes on to WispyWoods, which is like the classic
.
I feel like it's not a Kirbygame unless you're fighting a
big tree yeah, that blows windaround and drops apples.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
You gotta suck up and shoot at them, so check this is
a necessity.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
Uh, so those are some of the bosses.
Uh, there are six levels intotal, plus a seven final level,
if you're doing the true ending, I believe.
Uh, but I would say that youknow, we kind of alluded to this
before, like everything'spretty easy until rob level four
yeah, um fourth world is yeah,and then that boss dude, you hit

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me up on the discord and you'relike dude, this is a cool
little boss fight and it was andit also was the first time that
I got a game over I probablytold you I was getting wrecked
by the boss fight more than Iwas like gassing it up.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
You know I was probably like dude, what the
fuck?
It's a tough one, dude it's atough one for sure.
Let me see.
It's not the lava guy, whichone is it acro?
I think maybe the lava guy waskind of tough too.
I had to save.
Scum is too, because a lot ofthem have multiple phases.
So like, yeah, at least two, atleast you get done with the
first phase.

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You're like I can do this.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
You're like, oh, my god, there's more I know it's uh
, it's like the classicplatformer thing too, where it's
like okay, I learned, I learnedwhatever sequence I gotta learn
in the first phase, and thenthey're like but now I'm gonna
come at you with the secondphase.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, they're like that's just the beginning, but
yeah, this whale can fucking diedude he's got his name balls
dude.
It is acro, but that's like adance move or something, so I
had to type in like acro 64.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, he was a butthole dude.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
It took forever especially tough because you're
in the, you're in the water, solike video games and water,
although and he had some reallyhard to avoid I think this is
the first is the first Kirbygame where you can use your suck
ability in the water.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Oh, that's good.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
A lot of times you just blow out a little water
spout and you can attack peoplewith that, but it's cool that
you can actually suck under thewater in this.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
I occasionally used, like I looked up, some stuff
Nothing too big, but it's kindof funny to use like a guide for
a game this old.
They are not like as accessibleas you would think a lot of
fandom pages or whatever.
So the uh, one of the lastbosses you fight too, is like a
big old robot thing.
That was pretty gnarly too thatwas a tough one.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
I didn't uh, I didn't look up a guide for those some
of those later bosses.
But instead of like, instead,instead of sitting there and
losing over and learning andtaking mental notes on what the
sequences were, after runningthe game over or two, I'd be
like okay, I found there's aYouTuber that does no hit runs
on all the bosses, so I was ableto figure out the sequence and

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then go do it for myself.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Well, this one's cool , hrh, because he looks like a
gundam warrior.
Yeah, that one was cool.
I thought that.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Thought that was kind of cool, it was creative, it's
cool game all the bosses likedude are pretty dope with this
and they they are difficulttowards the end, like you have
the.
Oh yeah, I'm surprised there'sso many people out there being
like this game's too easy.
I'm like what do you?

Speaker 2 (27:33):
want.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
There's like even the Maga man.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
That's actually kind of funny, the Maga man, but is
it just the Mag man?

Speaker 1 (27:43):
Oh gross yeah, Mag man.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Mag man.
The Mag Man's funny becausehe's the big lava guy.
He has this fire move where heshoots fire and you have to get
so close to him not to get hitand I was like this is a pain in
the ass, dude.
I was like this is a pain inthe ass, dude.
I was like getting salty, likehow, like much he would wreck me
with that one move.
And I struggled with him aswell.
He was tough.

Speaker 1 (28:05):
Yeah, that one that one was definitely tough.
Uh, dude, all the bosses fromlevel four on were they're
difficult yeah, that final boss,like that's one of them.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
I was really shocked.
I had the patience to getthrough as a kid but I was
probably fucking hype when Ibeat it and I'm sure and it's
like that's one of them.
I was really shocked.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I had the patience to get through as a kid, but I was
probably fucking hype when Ibeat it and I'm sure and it's
like that's a, that's one of thethings that I'd love.
It's like kind of like one ofthe low-key things.
I think why I like platformersso much is that they force you
to learn patterns.
Yeah, it's fair and like solike you have to do that to to
beat that boss.
And once you figure out, youknow it's one of those things
too with platformers where youcan enter any battle, especially
boss battles, and it can be sooverwhelming, whether it's like

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whether it's metroid, whetherit's uh, castlevania, whether
it's whatever.
Like you know it's.
It's just like a trope of um orI don't know tropes, the right
word but it's.
It's something that happens inplatformers.
That's you know.
But what the thing is?
It's super, it's superdifficult, but then once you
learn what's happening, it'slike cutting butter dude kind of
you got to learn the dance,then you got to execute your
steps.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
That's kind of how I think about it metroid was a
really good one where, like Iwas liking it, it felt smooth
and good.
Not that this game wasn't, butthat.
You know that's a new moderngame on the old twist, so it's
pretty polished the multiplephases and the patterns of it
all and just getting wrecked andthen you know what you need to
do, but you still mess it up andyou get so mad dude dude, that

(29:26):
is the worst.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
I mean, that's the, that's the platformer thing,
though.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah so I, you know the two hard things silly, uh,
anyone playing this now?
Like I'd be curious when yournephew gets a little older, if
you like games like this becauselike easy, but like I wonder if
like the old school graphicswould like scare away kids these
days.
Like it's not cool.
You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
So like I wonder if this is just a nostalgia dive or
if it still holds up to likeyounger gamers yeah, I don't
know, man, I was gonna talk alittle bit about it in side
questing, but it does make sense, uh to, to bring it up here
because you bring up my nephew.
I was playing some games withthem and I picked out all of my,
my switch games that made them.
He's only four and it doesn'thave a lot of exposure to video

(30:10):
games.
So I was like, okay, I'm gonnatry kirby star allies with him,
like I know that he can playmario kart, because mario kart
like plays itself.
If you set it up to do so, itsure does.
Um, and then, like what elsedid we try?
Uh, yoshi and uh cruising,whatever.
The cruising usa 64 game iscruising exotica or so no, it

(30:34):
doesn't matter.
So all these like games thatare, like you know, pretty easy
entry, but even even so, dude,they're like overwhelming and
it's a it's a lot for afour-year-old to try and try and
learn.
So we went back, uh, so we wentdownstairs into the basement,
got a little hangout area downthere and we started playing
some sega.
And, uh, we played.
I found sesame street grovers Idon't remember what it is, but

(30:54):
it's sorry dog, I fart and mywife off mic has lost it.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
She can't stop giggling to herself and now
she's a distraction.
She can't handle my fartsContinue and leave it in.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
I love it.
Oh man, so Grover, it's aSesame Street game.
That's kind of whack, but atthe same time for him he was
able to grasp it.
Because what you do is you goto your restaurant Grubber's, a
server, you know someone comesin, sits down and it's like I
want two hamburgers, threebananas, one cookie.
And then you go into thekitchen and you find all those

(31:30):
things and you put them on yourlike serving tray and you bring
them back to the dude, andthat's what you do, and it's
just a cycle.
And to the dude, and that'swhat you do, and it's just a
cycle.
And it gets a little harder asyou go on, but like it's slow,
it's like very you know it'svery like low risk, you can fuck
up.
But if you fuck up you just goover to uh the cookie monster
and feed him your tray and youstart over.
But the thing is, dude is likeall these other games.

(31:51):
He's like can we switch thegame, like can we do something
else?
And like I was like yeah, yeah,and then like but the sesame
street game classic, yeah, butthe sesame street game dude, he
was into it.
He played for like a solid 20minutes.
Like there's like a point whereyou know he's just doing silly
kid stuff.
He's like I said he's four andlike instead of holding down the
d-pad, he wanted to tap it andmove.
And I'm like you know you canjust hold that down.

(32:11):
And he's like, yeah, he justkeeps tapping it.
And then I'm like, oh yeah, likehe's forward, like he's having
fun, like who gives a fuck ifhe's doing it the way I want him
to yeah right, he's like,clearly, he's like enjoying the
cause and effect of seeing thetap and the move, so, but
anyways, so you know, long wayof saying, like I don't think
the graphics is a huge deal,like I think actually bringing

(32:32):
back some of these retro gamesis a it's a nice way to get kids
involved with video gamesbecause they're not as they're
not going to be overstimulated,you know yeah, that is cool.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Um, so, as we transition to some like overall
impressions of the game, I stilllove it, I still respect it.
I think it holds up,particularly in its creative
power combining way, and it'ssomething that, like, I'm not
gonna revisit on my own,although I did.
Actually, before you pick thisgame, I was a few worlds deep

(33:04):
already because, like, Iremembered it as a kid and I
just kind of wanted to give it arip on the nso.
So it does hold up in thatsense.
But I think the next time thisone gets dusted off is like when
the boys are a little bit olderand I'm just gonna keep trying
to feed them this nintendopropaganda, and I think kirby
will be a big part of that.

Speaker 1 (33:22):
So that was pretty good.
And then I made the officialannouncement that the nso is
going to work on the uh where itcan be available on the new
switch.

Speaker 2 (33:30):
So that was a relief, especially because I have the
64 controller that you gave me.
So did you play this with thatat all?
Uh, yes, most of the time I didactually.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, I ended up um I'd say about half, because when
I wanted to play with it thecontroller was dead, so I ended
up using the pro controller fora little bit, when I was using
the pro controller, I foundmyself mixing up the buttons, a
lot like I just go to.

Speaker 2 (33:53):
I'd go to like use my ability and I'd like pick up
the star to throw and combineabilities and.
I'd throw it up in the airinstead of forward at the enemy.
So I actually was pissingmyself off at the pro controller
.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
So in its native N64 controller works very nice, Nice
nice, nice, yeah, the most, uh,biggest check of the game I
played with it.
It's always kind of fun to play, yeah, dude, like I think, uh,
I think this is one that may I.
I kind of doubt that I'll goback, because we both got the
false ending.
There's a.

(34:23):
There's a true ending where ifyou collect all the shards which
I think there's three in eachstage, yes, uh, then you, you go
on to like another little miniplatforming section.
Then you fight a, the truefinal boss, which we did not do,
but, uh, it can be done foryourself.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
No, I definitely didn't do it.
There's so many times you'dlike see the thing you need and
there's just no obvious way toget over there and I was like
this is a child's game.
How am I supposed to get tothat shard?
And I had no idea how to getover there.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So well, in true curvy fashion, it allows you to
go back into and that's just ohyeah, you know any level, yep
goes, go back and poke around,so like if I didn't have
literally over a thousand games,like I would probably spend
more time I was back in the 90sdog, I just might right, right,
right, but uh, but it's coolthat it's there, dude and I

(35:10):
think, uh, I agree, man, I thinkit'll be a fun one to like
eventually.
You know, I think kirby is forsure like we obviously enjoy
playing kirby games, uh, but itis one that it's.
It's low-hanging fruit for, forsharing with, with, with the
children, with the children.
So, with that said great game,probably recommend it to other

(35:31):
kirby stands.
And then, you know, a nice, uh,I would say I don't want to
call it like it's not meditativeor anything, but it's chill,
you know yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:40):
It's a Kirby game, if you're looking for a nice
little jaunt.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Relax a little bit, not going to be too hard until
later stages, and even then it'snot super hard, right, get you
going with some Kirby.

Speaker 2 (35:52):
I mean.
Kirby is established enoughwhere it's like's its own vibe.
Like you know what you'regetting into, true, true?

Speaker 1 (35:57):
well, with that said, how many items out of five are
you sucking in for this game?

Speaker 2 (36:03):
three right now, maybe three and a half if I feel
particularly nostalgic, butjust objectively like three oh.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
I'm gonna give it, I'm gonna do four sucking in
whoa big ones, dude, big onesfor curbs and big ones for curbs
, and why?
Why am I being so kind to it?
I think one I'd like thoroughly.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
I actually like I did very much enjoy this
playthrough it wasn't too hard,impressed with a lot of the
different thematic stuff goingon in the game.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
I'll give you that it hit exactly what I wanted it to
.
It was the length I wanted itto be.
You know, like I, I it was thedifficulty.
It was actually more difficultthan I thought it was going to
be and I think that some of thethat copy ability combined stuff
that you could do wasinnovative enough where it's
like.
Even today I was like this isdope, like this is kind of fun.
Trying to mix and match thesedifferent things had some fun

(36:55):
flavor.
There's also some fun stuffgoing on with the perspectives.
So like, instead of just goingyeah from left to right, like it
will.
It'll kind of tilt, so likesometimes you don't see what's
coming in front of you andyou're like moving up and you're
kind of angled.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
It is yeah, dude it's .

Speaker 1 (37:09):
I think they did a really good job with this game.
Dude, that we didn't say it atthe head and I'm not going to go
back to do it now, but thisgame dropped in 2000.
For this time I'm not going tosay it didn't blow minds, I
don't think.
But I think it was doing somecool stuff with the hardware,
with the N64.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Yeah, if you're a dad gamer dude and your kid's too
young to play it themselves,just play it in front of them.
I think it'd be a good visualspectacle for the kid to watch.

Speaker 1 (37:35):
Indeed.
Well, with that, you want totake a little break?
Come back with our unsanctionedsponsor.
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This month's episode isunofficially brought to you in
part by Cast Iron.
But, but not just your typicalrun-of-the-mill middle-aged

(38:02):
white man talking about hiscaster.
Is that I'm?

Speaker 2 (38:05):
talking.
Is that a?
Thing?

Speaker 1 (38:07):
yeah, yeah yeah, dudes, dudes and cast iron is
like for sure a thing all right,my bad, my bad but?
But I'm specifically talkingabout a burger press.
Bro, you have a burger pressyeah, when did you get a?
Burger press.
I got it from the father of acouple christmases back.

(38:27):
It doesn't get enough use, butrecently I did put it to use and
I made the best goddamn burgersI've ever made in my entire
life.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
Is this like how you make like proper smash burgers?
Yes, sir, so I'm talking.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I'm talking the lodge cast iron burger press 6.25
inches, maybe seven or eight, Idon't remember.
We're talking about my penisseven that's what's a little
generous let's get back to theburger press dude, but the
burger press, bro.
So I use this thing for time totime and it is dope like one.
Like yeah, I know, us dudes, welove our fucking cast iron, but

(39:01):
the, you want to bring that upa level.
Boys and ladies I'm trying tosay that ladies can't be making
shit with the burger press uh,because you can, you know, and
it's dope, you can also likeflatten bacon with it.
I don't really do that, butthat's a thing people do.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
I was looking at the images and it looked like it'd
be excellent for a bacon weightas well.
I hate when my bacon curls upuh, weird, I mean sometimes dude
.
I hate it because I get weirdtextures and I it's more unified
first time I saw your baconthat's a nice way to avoid that
too, I have, because the bacon Ireceived from the
father-in-law's pigs wasproduced so thick that it was

(39:38):
like impossible I had to renderso much fat down that I had
really slaps, basically dude.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
It was insane.
It's delicious, but it was likeimpossible.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
I had to render so much fat down that I had really
slams, basically dude.
It was insane.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
It's delicious, but it was insane, so I had to bake
it so yes, the bob's burgers hehas like has a yeah he gets
really excited so I was bakingweight actually the smash
burgers that I did like.
Honestly, it's my favorite kindof burger smash, smash burger.
A hundred percent, I think, thesmash burger revolution has
been good for society.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Um, because, uh, the bake it like burgers.
I don't want them thicker, Idon't like.
The good part of the burger islike the outer brown texture,
not the gooey innards.
So right, thin, thin, largerburgers is better than thick
ones.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Right.
So I'm saying, if you get a, soyou get yourself impressed.
Do about a pound, a pound ofhamburger right Straight up beef
.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I feel like this is just turning to Alex's cooking
corner.
I'm not mad about it, it's justeither Luke's fat ass rants
about McDonald's or Alex's like,let me get you the recipe, okay
.
This is what I do.
I got, I got niche sponsorships, man like this is true this is
true, unspeakable sponsorships.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
But get yourself a pound of hamburger, dude, I'm
whatever that, the like 85, 15or whatever the ratio is pretty
good for this.
Uh, you break that into justfour meatballs, so you've got
about a quarter pound burger,right, and then all you do, dude
, is you take that, you get, youget your cast iron going real
nice and hot, and then what Idid is I I old it up with a

(41:09):
little bit of that truffle oilthat you got me.
So that did probably elevate myexperience a little bit, to be
honest.
But I also had some briochebuns, dude.
Brioche also very like, verynice, very important for this,
for this beautiful burger that Imade sure.
Uh, you butter those, you getthose on the cast iron, give
them a little toasting, then youtake them off.
You're like all right, it'sburger time.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
It's about to say how many cast irons do you have
going two?

Speaker 1 (41:35):
I actually use.
Uh, whatever you call that flatthing.
I didn't even use my cast ironpan, like I have a cast iron
like griddle or whatever.
Sure, hell, yeah, yeah, get twoburners going.
Get that thing fucking going ohdude cast iron paradise.
Open my house yeah, wow castiron warrior up here.
So toast, toast those buns, getthose off to the side.
You got a real hot griddlegoing or your pan, whatever the

(41:58):
fuck and then you take thatquarter pound bird and you put
it on there.
And then you smash that shitand you want to do like, just
like a quarter of an inch, youwant to press it down to that
and you want to sear it therefor about 12 seconds, right,
then you pull that up, let itrock for about two minutes, flip
that shit over, do another twominutes.
The only thing you're throwingin this burger you're not

(42:19):
pre-seasoning or anything.
When you put it on there,you're putting some salt and
pepper on there.
When you flip it over, youthrow the salt and pepper again,
throw the cheese on there.
Let it do its thing for anothertwo minutes, maybe just a
little bit over, if you'reworried about some pink in there
.
Uh, and that's it, bro.
And then you put it on yourdeal, your bun, your toasted bun
, and you put it in your mouthand it's delicious you put it in

(42:40):
your mouth, dude.

Speaker 2 (42:42):
I was frying up uh, I was making black and chicken
mexican style for for dinnertonight.
My cast iron and my neighborknocked on my door because our
dumb ass has left our garagedoor open.
He's like I don't know if youdid that on purpose and I was
like I did not thank you forsaving me from my own stupidity.
And my whole house smelled likeit.

(43:02):
And he's like also your housesmells nice, nice, because I was
just ripping that cast iron dog.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
You said get out of here, boy, you can't have any of
my food.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
I thought about bringing up some tacos.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
honestly, that's great, yeah, I'll also use it,
for sometimes I'll use it aslike a panini press or like you
know, like if you're making likea grilled cheese or some sort
of sandwich Sounds like I needto buy this little tool.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
dude, Dude, they're like 15 bucks, that's nothing.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I'm going to find out how to do an affiliate link and
throw it into the deal and yougo and buy yourself a cast iron
burger press.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
You could do that shit right now.
That's the cloud.
Well, that's it.
That's the clown.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Well, that's it.
We're coming to you straightfrom Burger Town, dude.
Straight from Bob Burger's Ass,Siren, fucking Burger Town.
Straight from fucking Burger.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
Town dude.
Let's go Right on, I'm eagerfor it.
Wait, will you hear that sizzle?
My that's.
Uh.
That's time to come back to theside quest.

(44:11):
We've pressed it enough,pressed it and flipped it.
What's up, my dude, what areyou?
What are you doing?
Alex's ever expansive sidequest?
What do we got?

Speaker 1 (44:17):
yeah, bro, I've been side questing.
I also made a fucking outline.
This time around.
I gotta, whenever I an outline,I should know better to put
them on there, because I alwaysblow my side quest load and
you're always giving me a hardtime.
Yeah but, I do some side quests.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
I'm just a bad hang.
Anyway, I'm just like meh toomany side quests Wrap it up.

Speaker 1 (44:36):
Well, we played a shorter game, dude, so of course
I was going gonna get into someside quests this month.
So I I mentioned it earlier,but I'm guesting on pixel
project radio to talk about thetalos principle, which is a
super cool uh, I can't rememberit's.
I mean, it's a devolver joint,I can't remember who I actually
developed it, but, um, but it'sfun past your, uh, your emotions

(44:56):
.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I did I did.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
when I first picked it up it was.
I didn't know if I was gonna beable to do it, man, because I
got sick.
It's like a known thing withthis game because it's in the
settings there's motion sicknesssettings and everything but
it's a puzzle game, it's a 3Dpuzzler and it ends up being
really cool.
Dude, I will encourage folks togo check out what Rick and I
have to say about it on PixelProject Radio.
Check it out, cool-ass game.

(45:19):
Check it out.
Uh, cool ass game.
Great puzzler ended up being alot of fun and it has a lot of
great.
It really got me thinking aboutconsciousness and, yeah,
because that's what it's like,that's the underlying like theme
of this game is consciousnessand like what it is to be human,
right, yeah, so like there'sthe game, there's a puzzle part

(45:40):
and then there's this like huge,like underlying story that kind
of unfolds very subtlythroughout and it's basically
having you grapple with what itis to be, what it is to be human
, what it is to be conscious, uh, which is a, which is an
interesting thought that itturns out, no one has an answer
for yeah, I suppose not uh, sothe talus principle super cool.

(46:01):
check it out on pixel ProjectRadio.
You know I've been playing NBA2K.
This is like an NBA 2K Alex Podevery time.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
But the thing is Should we just ban you from
talking about 2K and me fromtalking about Mac or NCAA?
We should, but not this month.
But not this month.

Speaker 1 (46:17):
I just real quick want to say I haven't been
playing it a bunch, but you knowit's my, it's my comfort food.
I go back to that game when.

Speaker 2 (46:22):
I'm like, I just feel like you know zone out to that.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
But you know, this time of year, a couple of months
ago, the new one came out toK-25 or whatever.
Right, right, right, which Idon't have yet, because I always
wait until Black Friday to getit for half off.
Because you know I don't need to, I don't need season yeah, dude
, for for sure, but I figuredout how to do like.
I've never done this before,but you can do community rosters
and someone out there has likean up-to-date roster that I just

(46:47):
downloaded and I've beenplaying with the updated
timberwolves and I also up thedifficulty level.
So for two reasons I'm gettingspanked by a computer.
One, I'm playing in a hardersetting and two, I'm not just
like in real life, dude, I'mjust not meshing with my new
players as well uh, so that'slike that's another one, what
I've been doing for a ton oftime.
And then, uh, the other day,dude, I had I have to throw this

(47:09):
in there, because it was just,I was just feeling like we had
finished kirby, I finished talusprinciple, and I was like, hey,
I have like the freedom to playwhatever I want.
Right, mom can't tell me whatto do.
No, dude.
And uh, so I was just, like youknow, just sifting through
games I'm like gog and someother, like platforms that I
have or whatever launchers thatI have on my computer, and I

(47:31):
ended up playing probably the 20, 30 minutes of railroad tycoon
2.
You remember that one?

Speaker 2 (47:36):
you know, I know, I know of it, but I never remember
us having it.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yeah, so we had it back in the day on the family pc
.
I bought it on gog for hellacheap and every once in a while
I fired up and it's uh, I would.
It's, I mean, it's a sim, so II definitely have to learn it,
because I just get spanked likeI end up running out of money
right away.
Yeah, that's fair, immediatelyoverextend exactly, um, so I got
to figure that out, but it's,it was fun to go back and it's

(48:03):
also a little nostalgia play forme, and then very similar.
I decided I'd fire up warcraft2, which is.
I played maybe three or four ofthe levels of the first campaign
and that's just like I don'thave any intention of going
through and tearing through thatwhole game, but kind of similar
to railroad tycoon 2.
This is kind of fun to to jumpin and dabble with some of those
older games, just to kind ofyou know, remember, remember

(48:25):
playing them back in the day.
But then also just like seeinghow far we've come, like it's
crazy, especially in those typesof like an rts like, uh, like
warcraft 2 dude, just like howshitty the controls are.
It's like man the news some ofthe new stuff we can do is,
we're blessed.

Speaker 2 (48:40):
I, like used to love watching you play warcraft and I
remember you switched over toage of empires and I was so
fucking mad because like as alittle kid, I saw the little
fucking war wargs or whateverthey are orcs and then like to
see the little.
It's funny because I becamesuper obsessed with age of
empires eventually, but in thebeginning I was so mad, so it's

(49:00):
kind of fun I mean even the jumpin controls to edge of empires.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
One is still better than warcraft, but uh, edge of
empires two like yeah even thatgame has, like the, the quality
of life controls is what does iteven be called?
It is like added things you cando, but, um, hot keys, yeah, so
those are.
Those are the video game sidequests, but I got some big real
life side quest, whoa, yeah,yeah, went to two shows well,

(49:28):
which was cool.
I used to go a lot of musicshows, used to be able to, you
know, get out, and that was likeman, I did that a bunch.
So it was like kind of crazythat I went to two shows this
past month got to see jack whiteat first avenue.
That was really cool.
He's on his, uh, he's outpromoting his new record called
no name, but he's doing thissmall room tour where he doesn't
announce it until just a coupledays prior.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
It's not a huge venue for him.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
I'm sure he could have which is wild, as first
avenue is the biggest, it's likeone of the biggest venues that
he's played for this particulartour.
He's like purposely playingsmall rooms so he made like a.
He made like a funny joke.
It wasn't that funny, to behonest, but like he made a joke
about it, like during the showwhere he was like it's so great
to play like a stadium, uh,because, like compared to the
other rooms he's been doing inthis tour, like you say, per se

(50:12):
it's kind of like a stadium, butuh, to be able to see, like
dude, like I've.
I've seen jack white I thinkthis is number three or four uh,
so one.
To see him in a, in a room likefirst avenue, just an iconic
room like that, uh, and in asmaller room because he would
normally play a stadium uh,these days like it's very, it's
like a bigger either.

Speaker 2 (50:33):
Yeah, I mean like maybe not the target center, but
like you could fill the targetcenter, I guarantee it yeah,
okay yeah, regardless, dude, itwas just like, it was really
cool and it's like I haven'tseen like.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
He's like one of the last true rock and rollers, in
my opinion.
You know, like he, his masteryof the guitar is, it's amazing.
And then also he doesn't playwith a set list, so his entire
band that he plays with is justlike at.
He's just like out there doingthe whole marionette thing where
he's going around basicallygives cues to his and they have

(51:06):
to, they have to transition intowhatever he wants to do next.
Uh, so he's just masterly likeworking not only his guitars
because he's switching guitarslike every other song but then
also his band and it's just.
It's just really fun to see andI haven't seen a musician like
have that much control of thestage and play so well since I
had the opportunity to seeprince at paisley park a few

(51:28):
like years back.
Um, so that was just likereally cool and really like it's
really hard ticket to get oneof my buddies shout out to pete
uh, hit me up and was like hey,man, I was able to snake tickets
.
Uh, you want to come.
I was like hell, yeah, I wantto come.
That's was like hell, yeah, Iwant to come.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
That's cool.

Speaker 1 (51:43):
Yeah, dude, also, the second show I went to recently
went to Pretty Lights one of myfavorite artists of all time,
derek Vincent Smith.
His Pretty Lights project hasevolved.
He's got a full band.
It's a full electronic band.
I'm not even going to try toexplain how that works, dude,
but it is mind-blowing to watchbecause he's up there, uh, kind
of similar to jack white, in thesense that he is like

(52:03):
masterfully, like in controlthis whole stage and set.
But it's not like yourtraditional band, like you do
have someone on the keys and youdo have a dj and you do have a
uh, you know, someone playingthe drums and you got some sound
machines and shit.
But like you also have yourlike analog, like sound boards
and stuff.
But there you also have yourlike analog, like sound boards
and stuff.

(52:24):
But there's so much stuff goingon and I don't I don't really
know what they're doing.
I want to watch.
I want to watch like some sortof youtube video that tells me
exactly how this shit works,because for me.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
I'm just like probably close to like 10 times.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
So like you've probably seen a lot of change
over the years no, I mean heused to display like uh, he
traditionally like way back inthe day he would have a, he'd
have his drummer, so percussion.
Then he was just doing like thedj stuff and that's evolved
into this whole like livedigital set it's it's cool man
it was.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
It was really cool it's not just up there pushing
buttons, as they would say hepushes some buttons.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
But yes, no, it's not a press play type situation,
I'm just trolling.
Nah, for sure, but those are.
Those are the major side.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
You know how people were when edm blew up I do
indeed, I do indeed.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
How about you, man, what you've been?

Speaker 2 (53:13):
you know, I just be smoking crack over here.
Do not go and look and then donot consequently expose my NCAA
25 hours.
But they're gross, oh dang.
Nice, I finally coach Dukes thethird.
Now this is my third dynastyrun.

(53:33):
I started as an assistant coachat a big time program and then,
you know, I, to this point Ihave avoided the university of
Minnesota.
But they fired their coach twoyears in a row and tried to hire
me two years in a row and I waslike all right guys, save your
coach, dukes, I'll save thesehoes.
And God, this is so dorky dog.

(53:54):
But, like, when you go torecruiting which, as we
mentioned in our pod, is a hugepiece of the game and a huge
piece of the lizard brain itchyou can filter where your
recruits are coming from andthey have, like, recruits
populated from every state.
So like I in my head, like go,and I like got to get the best

(54:14):
recruits out of Minnesota, andthen I go to Wisconsin, cause I
want to destroy Wisconsin and Iwant Wisconsin not to be any
good, so I get the top Wisconsinrecruits too, and then, uh,
it's weird too, cause it tellsyou their little hometowns.
So like the dude will be likefrom Minnesota or like or
obviously he'll be fair, orsomething.

(54:34):
He'll be no, literally myrunning backs from Eden Prairie,
sure, and it's like he was athree-star but he's actually
kind of a stud and like I teachin a district and some of the
one of the cities in my districtshowed up so I was like, well,
I got to get this guy, he couldhave went to my school so I
thought that was kind of cute.
So that's stupid, don't need tobring that up.

(54:55):
I further ban any talk offootball or basketball
simulations on this year podcastuntil they're new At least.
Another super goofy one is Idid a dude's weekend as a bit of
a delayed bachelor party slashcurrent diaper party and I was
under the influence of many abeers and I was ripping my steam

(55:16):
deck and I downloaded a game,ace boiling, bought for a while
back.
Man eater, are you familiar?
Is that the shark one?
yeah dude, if you're justdicking around, I don't think
there's a better game to rip onyour steam deck than just you're
just an angry little shark.
Uh, narrated by, uh, chrisparnell oh funny yeah, yeah, so

(55:39):
that's.
I was just laughing at myselfwhen I was playing it in bed
before before bed last night,because poor trisha's like
reading a book's.
I was just laughing at myselfwhen I was playing it in bed
before before bed last night,because poor trisha's like
reading a book next I was gonnasay with a sound on you fucking.
I'm just a shark just fucking upother fish and I'm like did you
buy those google buds too?
You got earbuds out of yourcareer wild yeah, it's just

(56:00):
doing a whole lot for a 10minute sesh.
You know 10, 50 a minute sesh,but I've put don't give me that
fucking face, dog like respectyour wife, bro.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Yeah, I do.
She was fine with it.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Uh, they were downstairs dog, I was warm, but
yeah, dude.
Uh, so big, big cosign on maneater I think who knows how deep
I'll get into it, but I'll gripit and rip it from time to time
and it's got me back on mySteam Deck for a little bit.
So I haven't made any officialdecisions, but I'm thinking that
the next month's game is goingto have to be Steam Deck

(56:35):
compatible.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I'm here for it, dude .
It's funny Like the way that Imean I love being able to do the
handheld gaming.
You know this, I'm not.
I'm not shy about handheldgaming, yeah, uh, but it's funny
like I have like these stintswhere it's like I'll just be
pure steam, steamy d and I'll belike man, I kind of miss my
switch and then we'll get, we'lllike do a couple switch games.
I'll be like, oh, I kind ofmiss the steamy d it's weird.

Speaker 2 (56:58):
It made me nostalgic for, like, the last time I was
playing my steamy d, which waseither trying to think of the
last game I was really goingafter in there, but it like
reminded me like a like aseasonal time of the year and I
was like whoa dude, oh,interesting that's true, yeah, I
played.
I played a good chunk of thetalus principle on it, so it's
uh so I had a little bit morerecently, but but nonetheless,

(57:23):
well, yeah, dog, for ourlisteners, you know, um, I've
gotta suck up my football helmetto create my abilities and then
I gotta go win the big 10championship tonight, dog, so
gotta bring these golfers toglory dude, oh dang yeah, thanks
everybody for listening.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
If you made it this far, you know what to do.
Give us another five starrating.
That's right.
Find the platform to get on tothis is another right that's
right, get yourself a fuckingcast iron press and get that
cast iron present our affiliatelink, which I guarantee I will
not but I promise you I'veforgotten already, but but

(58:01):
nonetheless, much love to youall.
So thanks for coming through.
Check us out.
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There's some merch out thereyou can get for yourself.
There's some cool arcadeathletic gear that I've been
wearing, dude.
There's some pixel protagonistgear out there as well.
You can get that shit.
If your name's Tyler, you canget yourself a jersey, which I
think you should be arriving athis house any day now.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
If your name is not tyler, you can still get the
tyler special, so that's true,that's true.
Anybody can get the tylerspecial but it was made
specifically for tyler join thediscord and ask questions uh,
for mailbag stuff and makerequests for games.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
Yes, there's a text link in the show notes so you
can actually hit us up, uh, viathat way.
Like luke said, hit thatdiscord, talk to us there.
You can badger me about makingspecific merch for you and I'll
get to it in about a year we'replaying portal 2, which kind of
slapped.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
So fair.
Fair enough, dude, there's onefor you, one for us yeah, true,
true, true, true.

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Alright, man, much love, peace, peace, peace.