Episode 120 - Real Scary Stories 6

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Hello everyone, and welcome back to another episode
of the Lunatics Radio Hourpodcast.
I'm Abby Brinker, sitting herewith Alan Koan.
Hello.
And today we have, I believe,our sixth installment of our
real scary story series.
For You Real Scary Stories iswhen we read you back your

(00:38):
stories, our listener submittedstories.
There's ghost stories, justunexplained weird stories,
paranormal experiences.
It's one of my favorite seriesthat we do.
I'm super excited to get into ittoday.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
You'd think five episodes would've been enough to
tell all the stories of peopleexperiencing things that aren't
real.
Mm-hmm.
, but no, here weare with our sixth

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Says The Skeptic.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
I mean, yeah.
I have, have we encountered onewhere I'm like, man, that's a
ghost.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
I think we've encountered stories where you're
like, man, I don't know how todebunk that.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Mm.
I guess that's a win.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
So we'll see what we get today for you.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
Okay.
I mean, do we have a real spookyone?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
We always have some spooky ones.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
Can we start with like a real spooky one?

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I think I'm gonna start with a u f O story.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Oh, geez.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Because it's short and sweet.
It's right to the point.
And UFOs lights in the skies.
One of my favorite topics.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I would like to request a change to our format,

Speaker 1 (01:37):
.
Oh, okay.
Let's talk about it live onthere.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I would like to just jump right into the stories
without knowing who it's comingfrom.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
Oh,

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Sure.
Okay.
And then at the end, you cantell me

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Okay.
In case you know thempersonally.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Yeah.
You know, that way I can justunabashedly be like, man, this
is stupid.
Uhhuh withoutfeeling bad, because I'm like,
oh, this person is such a goodheart.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
On that note, if you wanna submit your real
paranormal experience so that Ican gush over it and Alan could
hypothetically rip it apart,please email
[e-mail] or dmson any social platform, because
we'd love to share your stories.
All right.
Let's get into the first one.
I won't tell you who it's by.
It is by a friend of the pod.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Okay.
One

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Late afternoon, I was walking home and it was the kind
of day when it was still lightout, but you could see the moon.
So I just happened to look up atit like you do, and that's when
I saw this object.
Comparatively.
If the moon were the size of adime, this would've been a
little more than the size of ahead of a pin.
It appeared to be white or verydull gray, about the same as the

(02:41):
moon.
The object zoomed toward it froma two o'clock position faster
than I've ever seen something inthe sky move.
Then as it neared the moon, itslowed down, and once it got to
maybe an inch away again,comparatively, it just stopped.
I just stood and stared.
But from where I was standing, Ididn't have the best view
because there were some treesjust below.

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I moved the rest of the way upthe hill that I was on until I
reached the top.
By the time I got there, it wasgone.
Weirdest thing I've ever seen.
I'll let, I'll let you, uh,react Before I reveal the
author,

Speaker 2 (03:14):
How close did it get to the, the, the author?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
So I actually asked the author this exact question
and they said if I had to guessas high up as a plane, but there
was no way to establish thescale for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Hmm.
So it basically moved around thesky and then stopped

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Something much smaller than the moon.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
White

Speaker 1 (03:40):
And gray.
Yes.
Yes.
Moved it, it seems like towardsthe moon,

Speaker 2 (03:43):
Uhhuh

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Stopped, like hovered completely stationary.
Right.
And then they kind of went upthe hill to follow it and lost
it.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
Hmm.
Sounds like a drone.

Speaker 1 (03:53):
I should also say, I also asked when this happened
mm-hmm.
, and it was notrecently.
It was, you know, long ago intheir lives.
So I, I sort of got theimpression that it was before
drones were such a commonplacething.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Okay.
I mean, this does sound verysuspiciously like drone
activity.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Yeah.
But this was, you know,hypothetically 15 years ago.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
Sure.
Well, 15 years ago,

Speaker 1 (04:16):
20 years ago, 40 years ago, I don't

Speaker 2 (04:19):
Know.
40 years ago.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Not recently.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
So, so, okay.
So, okay, we'll say this, right?
Could it have been a drone?
Sure.
Let's remove that.
Let's say it couldn't have beena drone for whatever reason.
Sure.
What's your next, what's yournext

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Response?
Remote controlled helicopter.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
This is looks like a pin.
It is, is hype up as a plane?

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Yeah.
Because isn't

Speaker 1 (04:39):
A remote controlled helicopter a drone?

Speaker 2 (04:42):
Very similar.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Okay.
So let's move into a differentcategory,

Speaker 2 (04:45):
But they've been around for many decades.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Okay.
What's your next,

Speaker 2 (04:49):
The hovering is tricky.

Speaker 1 (04:50):
Yeah.
Sounds like an alien to me.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
I mean, there's the Harrier jet.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
What's the Harrier jet?

Speaker 2 (04:57):
Uh, the Harrier jet is a fighter jet that, that's
like, you know, picture afighter jet that has like the
thrusters on the back.
Sure.
They can, I think they'remounted on the wings, but they
can pivot down.
So the jet is fully capable ofjust hovering mid-air, like a
helicopter.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
That's

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Cool.
It's very cool.
I mean, yeah, that's just a veryniche aircraft, I suppose.
Yeah.
It's, I mean, I don't know.
I'm imagining it's a light inthe sky that's moving around.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, yeah, but it, it's dull.
I believe they described it asSure.
It wasn't like, oh, it's a star,you know?
Right.
Yeah.
Or a plane, or it wasn't asilluminated as that.
Oh, he also said it was theafternoon, remember it was
daylight.
This

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Was in the day.
Yeah.
And there was the moon.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Yeah.
You can see the moon in the

Speaker 2 (05:43):
Day.
That's impossible.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
.
Uh, so we should be trusting youfor all the debunking.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
Okay.
This being in the day is a Yeah.
Okay.
That's a little suspicious.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Oh, we got him.
He's

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Hooked.
If it was any kind of like jetaircraft then well, you would
see a trail or something in thesky

Speaker 1 (05:59):
Chem trail.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
The, the Kia chem trail.
Yeah.
Still up there.
I'm still on board with like,some kind of drone or, or some
small unmanned aircraft.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Okay.
Well, or like a U f O,

Speaker 2 (06:11):
I mean u yes.
A u f O in the exact definitionof A U F O.
Right.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Not a alien,

Speaker 2 (06:18):
Alien spaceship.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
You don't, but you don't, it could be, you don't
have any proof that it isn't,you have just as much proof that
it's an unarmed fighter jetflown by any number of
countries.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
We didn't say anything about armaments.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
I, I mean, unmanned, I mean, unmanned or something
from a different planet.
You have no proof either way.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Okay.
Well, we have Occam's razor.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
Okay.
So it could be technology thatwe don't really have and that we
don't outright flaunt or itcould be from another planet,

Speaker 2 (06:48):
Or it just, it sounds like a lot of things that exist
and it's just one of thosethings, you know.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
All right.
So you don't, you're not swayedby this to believe that it is
anything other than standard USmilitary drone action?

Speaker 2 (07:06):
Uh, I don't think it's even military.
I would say that this soundscivilian.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
Okay.
So that's your final stamp onit.

Speaker 2 (07:14):
But that is me coming at it from a 2023 lens where
everybody and his brother canoperate a drone

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Or a weather balloon.

Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
But you know, it's

Speaker 1 (07:26):
The year of weather balloons.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Right?
That's sure.
Yeah.
Uh, but that still like reallyties back into drones,
because in order to operate aweather balloon, you still need
some kind of remote controlledturine.
Right.
So otherwise it's, it's just atthe mercy of wind and lift.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Sure.
All right.
So this story came to us by ourfriend of the pod Marcus Hawk,
one of our favorite writers.
You can visit marcus hawk.com.
That's Hawk with an e at theend.
And I'll, I'll link this in thedescription.
His Instagram is Marcus Hawk orHawk House.
TikTok is hawk.talk

Speaker 2 (08:02):
.
You like that, huh?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I do.
I

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Do like that.
I like all the

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Ox.
I like all the Hawk S.
Yeah.
And again, Marcus is anincredible horror writer.
We will tag him and everythingthat, so you can hunt down his
work.
But thank you so much to Marcusfor sharing that story.
Again, Alienoid stories,especially right now, are high
on my list.

Speaker 2 (08:23):
Okay.
So I do really appreciate thisformat of not knowing the
author.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (08:28):
Because that makes me really unabashedly.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Yeah.
You, you don't feel guilt forbeing

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Rude.
That's correct.
Yeah.
But now, I mean, now I feel it.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I just have to sit with the guilt of you being

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Yeah, that's fine.
Skeptical.
Um, now that we know we have avery credible author Yes.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Now

Speaker 2 (08:43):
That, you know, what do you think it is

Speaker 1 (08:45):
A u f o you think?
I mean, the thing about Marcusis he's not claiming that it's
anything.
Right.
He's not putting a label on it.
He is just telling you what hesaw,

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Which was a unexplained unexplainable
phenomenon in the sky.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
A u p s.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah.
I mean, I'm still on team drone.
Sounds like it.
Maybe it was a seagull orsomething.


Speaker 1 (09:05):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Tough to say.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Yeah.
One of those seagulls that juststops dead in the sky and
doesn't move.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yeah.
Because it hits the invisibleship.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
It's kind of like the same sort of idea as like, Nope.
Like, like something that, and Ino spoilers, but something that
can kind of fly around, but thenlike, be totally stationary.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
See, I was thinking about Nope.
And how that would spoilers.
Oh

Speaker 1 (09:24):
Boy.
Skip

Speaker 2 (09:25):
Ahead.
Uh, so if the thing in the skychanged shape of any sort Yeah.
Boy, would that be anotherstory?
But it didn't, it was just like,yeah.
That

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Would be a another

Speaker 2 (09:37):
Story, a a thing that did a thing that's explainable.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
Sure.
But, but it's daylight I thinkis the interesting

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Thing.
Yeah.
Who flies drones at night?
I mean, people, A lot of people.
A lot of people.
Yeah.
But, uh, especially way backwhen you don't, didn't do a lot
of night flying

Speaker 1 (09:54):
.
Ah,

Speaker 2 (09:55):
All right.
I don't know.
I'm really making that up.
I don't know.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You are.
I don't, I have No, but youthing is, you didn't put cameras
on, I guess you did.
Did you have cameras back then?
You had cameras?

Speaker 1 (10:04):
We've had cameras for the last hundred years.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
Yeah.
But, um, actually was justreading about this today.
Mm-hmm.
in, I think it was1992, maybe 94, neither.
92 or 94.
Guess what?
The Guinness Book of WorldRecords.
Smallest digital camera was

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Like the actual make and model of the camera.

Speaker 2 (10:24):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
In 1992.
Yes.
Well, what's that movie wherethey, they put a camera into
like the, the American flag pin.
It's a nineties movie.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Uh, whatever that was, that, that is not the
answer.
The answer.
Okay.
Is the Game Boy camera.
Do you remember this device?

Speaker 1 (10:43):
No,

Speaker 2 (10:44):
It's actually sitting right behind you if you wanna
look at

Speaker 1 (10:46):
It.
You have a Game boy camera.
Yeah.
What am I, an Oprah.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
All right.
Yeah, go ahead.
Take a look.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
this, it's like a game cartridge with a
GoPro slap to the top.

Speaker 2 (10:58):
Yes.
But it is significantly smallerthan a GoPro.
It's, I mean, it's liketwo-thirds the size of a ping
pong ball.

Speaker 1 (11:06):
Yeah, that's accurate.
But is this whole thing thecamera, not just the top orb?

Speaker 2 (11:10):
The top orb is the lens and the photo sensor.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Why do you have this?

Speaker 2 (11:16):
That was given to us by another friend of the pod,
Pete from Long Island.
He's really into vintage videogame stuff.
And he gave this to me as a giftwhile back.

Speaker 1 (11:24):
Very cool.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
But yeah, the little top orb is the camera is the
lens and the sensor.
Then you have like the, thecircuit board where the game
cartridge is,

Speaker 1 (11:33):
And that's where it connects to the game board.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
Mm-hmm.
.
Yeah.
It just slots in, it just slotsinto the game boy.
Uh, and I think it has enoughmemory for like 20 pictures or
something.
And then you can connect to thelittle game boy printer
accessory and you couldprint out your photos.
That's

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Cool.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Yeah.
Uh, but I mean, think about it.
Think about like a digitalcamera.
Like did you ha I, um, when youthink of digital camera, you
think of, you know, like 2005ish, right?
Or or early two

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Thousands.
Early,

Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yeah.
Not nineties, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (12:05):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Like maybe in like 98.
You had like the web cam orsomething?
Yeah, that was like

Speaker 1 (12:13):
Awful web.
We had web tv.

Speaker 2 (12:14):
Web tv.
What was that?

Speaker 1 (12:16):
It was like some kind of device that connected to our
tv.
So we could go on the web, butit was like, that's right.
A keyboard through our tv.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Wow.
I haven't thought about that ina while.
Yeah.
I have a memory of going to mygrandparents' house and you
could tune to a certain channeland it would just be like
Windows 95.
Uh, just like desktop,

Speaker 1 (12:39):
Like the screensaver?

Speaker 2 (12:41):
No, it was just like a desktop.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Huh.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
And it wasn't always there.
And like I was convinced that mygrandparents had this whole web
TV thing.
Yeah.
And my brother is like, no,that's not how that works.
You can't, you need like adevice that connects to your tv.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
But what was the channel?

Speaker 2 (12:58):
I think it was just somebody broadcasting their,
somebody, some networkbroadcasting their desktop.
Like they had like 10,000 cablestations.
Right.
Growing up we had antennas.
Uh, we didn't even have cabletv.
We just had the rabbit ears andthe TVs.
Yeah.
And so like when we went over tomy grandparents' house, they had
so, so many stations.
And this was before digitalcable and everything.
So like you're not getting likethe 10,000 foreign language

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stations.
Right.
This, there was just so muchgarbage, including one that was
clearly someone that was justbroadcasting their desktop.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Funny, interesting.
I wonder if they would playvideo.
It was like the original Twitch.
I don't know.
They play the X-Files videogame.
Maybe stream it out.

Speaker 2 (13:37):
Uh, but yeah, like that.
That's my web TV story cuz I, Iwas like trying to find an extra
mouse and keyboard because thenI thought my grandparents could
finally have a computer.
But my brothers like, yeah.
That's just not how that works.

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah.
Very wise.
Are you up for the next scarystory?

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah.
We'll get, let's get back ontrack

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Here.
Let's get back on track.
So as requested, I will revealthe identity of the writer at
the end of the story or afteryou have your chance to comment.
Okay.
I grew up in Evanston, Illinois,a college town that butts up
against the north side ofChicago.
It's eastern Edge is flanked byLake Michigan and the western
portion is marked by L Tracksand a sanitary canal downtown

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features the campus ofNorthwestern University.
An area which is quite developednow, but was a bit sleepier when
I was a kid.
My premi school years were spentin an apartment building on the
southeast side of town.
Just a couple of blocks from thebeach where my friends and I
would get up to shenanigans andfamily would congregate to watch
fireworks on the 4th of July.

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The apartment was strategicallysituated across the alley from a
park where all the neighborhoodkids would play and have water
fights.
Using our kitchen as a fillingstation inside our home life was
quite difficult, but outside ofit, the neighborhood was pretty
much all a kid could ask for.
My best friend Dan lived aboutthree blocks away.

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Our parents introduced us instrollers when we were six
months old and we went to schooltogether from preschool through
college.
We've since lost touch, but manymemories of those formative
years involved.
The two of us going up to doorcountry, Wisconsin to his
parents', summer home to fish,kayak, and ride horses.
Grabbing stuffed pizza atCarmen's or scarfing down wings

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at Buffalo Joe's and ridingbikes.
It felt like we were alwaysriding our bikes someplace.
The day started out like manyothers, it was a weekend and Dan
and I decided it was a good dayto ride to this one area of town
that had an ice cream shop candystore.
And most importantly, rent arecord.
Though I actually never sawanyone rent anything from there.

(15:45):
I don't remember a ton about theplace, except that it was the
closest spot to buy music andwas bathed in yellow golden
walls.
The plan was to grab a sugarboost at either Perry Drugs or
JD Mills.
A spot where you could buy gummycoke bottles and chocolate
covered things by the pound andthen head over to check out some
music.
Our stomachs filled with candyand our pockets stuffed with the

(16:08):
leftovers.
We locked up our bikes, walkedto rent a record, and had a look
around.
The store was mostly empty.
Save for a couple of 20somethings behind the counter
and one woman wearing a redscarf around her head and
dressed in a bright coloredblouse.
As we made our way around theshop, she engaged us in
conversation.
Dan was the shire of the two ofus, so I took a half step

(16:31):
forward.
Hi there.
She said hello.
I replied a little confused.
This town was friendly but nottalked to random strangers
friendly.
What are you guys up to today?
She asked.
Smiling.
Not much.
I replied thinking it was prettyobvious what we were up to.
My name is Judy.
What's yours?

(16:52):
I remember this part clearlybecause my mom's name was Judy,
spelled with an I and I thoughtit was an odd coincidence.
She also appeared to me about mymom's age.
Rob, I replied solely.
Taking a step back.
Dan's still behind me.
At least that's what I think Isaid.
It was definitely a made up namebecause my stranger danger
senses were majorly going off atthis point.

(17:14):
You have to remember that in themid 1980s, this concept was
hammered into every kid.
Part of it was because many ofus were left to our own devices
during the day, especially onweekends.
So parents drilled these thingsinto our brains to soothe their
collective conscious.
Plus, we were in the Chicagoarea, Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy,
the Tylenol murders, all ofthose happened not far from us.

(17:37):
Do you two like ice cream?
She asked gently.
Almost like she was talking tochildren younger than we were.
I didn't say anything and Ididn't turn to look at Dan
because something in me wasworried about whatever look was
on his face.
He didn't say anything eitherbecause we can go get ice cream
together if you want.
My car is right out front.
It would be fun.

(17:57):
Why don't you two join me?
You can just leave your bikesparked outside.
We won't be long.
No thanks.
I replied nervously.
I then made a decision that Ipartially regret and that I
stopped being a good friend andbegan only looking out for
myself.
I'm not proud of it, but I wasenacting the plan.
My parents had rehearsed with mecountless times.

(18:18):
In short, I took off, I ran outof the store and unlocked my
bike as fast as I could, prayingthat this woman wasn't behind
me, possibly inches fromgrabbing me and throwing me into
her car.
I hopped on my bike and startedto pedal behind me.
I heard Mark, wait, wait.
But it was too late.
Dan's voice began to get quieterand quieter as I flew towards my

(18:42):
house.
I didn't wait for him, didn'tcall back to him, didn't check
up on him.
I just rode.
And when I got home, I raninside as fast as I could.
My mom and I had a very troubledrelationship.
But when I told my mom what hadhappened, I remember thinking
that she was awfully calm forsomething that she had warned me
about for years actually comingto fruition.

(19:03):
It was almost as though shedidn't believe me, which even
from her felt like an enormousbetrayal.
Dan and I talked on the phonelater in the day and he asked me
if I actually thought the worstcould have happened.
I don't know.
I said, but I didn't want towait around and find out after
that day.
I don't believe the incident wasever spoken of again, not in our
house, not between Dan and I.

(19:24):
And as far as I know, not evenbetween our two mothers, despite
the fact that they were alsofriends during this time.
But even now, I remember thatface, a smiling, warm face,
possibly masking somethingsinister.
Something that you could readabout in newspapers or see on tv
but never think will happen toyou or your friend.

(19:45):
I wonder if Dan thinks aboutthat day still, or if I'm the
only one who wonders what mighthave happened had we not been
prepared.
How do we not just eat in candyand instead let those warning
signs be drowned out by thepromise of ice cream cones on a
hot Midwestern summer day?

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I mean, not too much to be skeptical about here.
This

Speaker 1 (20:05):
I I was so eager for that.
For you,

Speaker 2 (20:08):
This is just like, this is a story about just
someone being a creep to kids.
Yeah.
Really glad that all of like thestranger danger and all that
conditioning finally paid off.
Cuz so much of it just ends upbeing needless worry.
Yeah.
But every so often Yeah.
You get these weirdos that gotalk to kids and then bad things

(20:28):
happen.
So I'm assuming that this authoris named Mark because they
called after Mark.
Yeah.
Good, good on that person andwhat yeah, what a, what a
feeling to not have your parentvalidate your feelings when
you're doing exactly what wasdrilled into you.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
I sort of, what I took that as, and I don't know,
I mean, I don't know anythingabout this woman or her,
her parenting, but I almost takeit as like someone being so calm
and it not coming up was becausethe realization of like, yeah,
that's what would've happenedif, if they had gone with this
woman.
Like, I almost just lost my sontoday.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
Or you know, it could have been the mother didn't
understand the gravitas of thesituation.
Yeah.
Of it's like, Hey, someoneoffered us ice cream.
Okay, good honey, because I heseems pretty young when he was
in the situation.
Yeah, totally.
You know, perhaps the way thathe explained it to his mother
was not, didn't properly conveyhow he felt at the time.

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And you know, he said theynever, that moment never got
spoken of again.
This wasn't something that theycircled back to, you know, years
later when he is like, Hey, justso you know, I felt like I was
about to get abducted and then,you know, the mother could be
like, really?
I thought you were just sayingthat someone offered you ice
cream

Speaker 1 (21:48):
.
Did you, I mean, I think in, ina household where a mother or a
parent is so, like he said,drilling into you about the
stranger danger, especially inlike the satanic panic and all
the stuff that was happening atthat time, I think the mother
probably understood.
But have you ever had asituation like that when you
were a kid?
Like did you have any nearencounters?

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Not as a kid.
Yeah.
All my abduction storieshappened later in life.

Speaker 1 (22:16):
You were abducted later in

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Life.
No.
But when there were diceysituations of like, kidnapping

Speaker 1 (22:22):
That you were involved in?

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Uh, yeah.
what?
Um, another time.
Oh

Speaker 1 (22:28):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, as a kid, the only thing that's like coming to
mind again, it's, it's, I grewup in a very small town where
everything was boring all thetime.
Where there, you know, there wasvery, very little crime, let
alone the type of like sweepinghysteria of like serial killers,

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abducting kids.
So I remember after the, likethe first big school shooting
that we had to go through allthese like trainings about if
you see someone in this schoolwho looks suspicious, you need
to, you need to follow all thisprotocol.
I remember one of my class, likesomeone was like, came into our

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classroom as like an assistantor something.
It was something that did notseem suspicious at all, but we
had color coded badges andsomeone in the class noticed
that they were wearing the wrongcolor badge for that day,
.
And they casually ex excusethemselves from the classroom

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and they come back with like theprinciple and security and like,
just like, you know, they justlike basically drop the hammer
on this person.
.
That's funny.
Um, and it's like, yeah, theyjust got, it was where they were
given like the wrong color badgeor something.

Speaker 1 (23:52):
That reminds me of, there's a story where when I
was, I don't know, really young,like bef pre third grade, I saw
a car go by our house and the, Ithought I, the, the we, our
house was like a hundred yardsfrom a hundred feet from the
road.
It was not

Speaker 2 (24:10):
Close.
No.
Cuz it was the oldest dairy farmin the

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Country.
That's right.
And I thought that I could seethis girl in the front seat, a
kid not wearing a seatbelt.
And I literally took a full pageof notes and left my mom a
voicemail at work about thiskidnapping that I assumed
happened because she lookedupset and I took the plates of
the car.
I took like what I assumed herheight was like every kind of
information that I could writedown mm-hmm.

(24:33):
.
That was like my mindset as akid.
Detective

Speaker 2 (24:37):
Watch.
Because that's the thing, we hadthis ingrained in us that
everyone is out to get us.
Yeah.
Uh, we have to be hyper-vigilantat all times.
And it ended up being thissecurity culture in super safe
suburbia that mostly causedproblems.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Well, yes and no because if you look at this
story, then it saved lives.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
This is why these rules were put into place and
Yeah.
If we have to go through alittle bit of hysteria to keep
some really horrific things fromhappening Sure, yeah.
Let's do it.
Yeah.
But when you go, you know,decades in a small town treating
everybody like they're out toget you when nothing at all

(25:20):
happens.
Like, that's exhausting.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
Yeah, totally.
So this story came from ourfriend Mark Senensky who, Alan,
you asked the question earlier,if any of the stories that we've
read on this series had kind ofpassed your test and Mark's
story may be one of the few thatyou had a really positive
reaction to.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
Yeah, I'm on team Mark.
He, he just, he tells it like itis aren't we?
Are?
No, no, no.
Absolutely not.
No.
So much fluff around here.
Everyone's talking about, youknow, spaceships and werewolves
and all this stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
It sounds literally like the stories that

Speaker 2 (26:01):
You write.
Yeah.
I did literally write werewolvesin space.
Yeah.
Um, but that's, that's, I wasn'tclaiming that was a real scary
story.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
I think about this often, especially lately when it
comes to the paranormal, thissort of chicken or the egg
situation of have I had moreparanormal experiences because
I'm more open to them andreceptive and less paying
attention.
Do you have less because you areless open to them?
You know, and how does that allfactor in and play out?
And is it that you're shuttingthem out or, or is it that

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you're just like changing thefabric of what's happening
around you because you aren'topen to to those sorts of
things?

Speaker 2 (26:43):
I think people will always see what they want to
see.
Not always, but very, the vastmajority of the time, think
about how you can throw coldhard facts at a certain group of
people and it is met withnothing but talking points that
dispute this that they hear onFox News.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
I was on a 400 person zoom call last night with a
medium and he said somethingthat I think

Speaker 2 (27:13):
Really, I'm sorry, can we circle back?
You were what?

Speaker 1 (27:16):
That's all, that's the amount of information that
I'm gonna give you.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
Were on a 400 person zoom call

Speaker 1 (27:22):
With a medium,

Speaker 2 (27:23):
A single medium,

Speaker 1 (27:24):
A famous medium.

Speaker 2 (27:25):
Was it?
Yes.
Who was it?
Was it

Speaker 1 (27:28):
[inaudible] I'm not gonna say who it was, but

Speaker 2 (27:30):
Is he a medium?
He's a medium, right?
Yes.
Okay.
But are there more, there morefamous ones.
There's only one.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
There's multiple famous mediums.
But anyway, the point is that hesaid something really funny that
someone had asked the question,what happens to non-believers
when they die?
And he said, it's like the bestsurprise party ever.
And I hope that for all of us, Ihope that after this you spend
your life being grumpy andclose-minded and you go through

(27:57):
life not living in this funworld that I live in where
there's all these other thingsthat exist and then when you die
you realize that you were wrongand that I was right.
And it's a really fun surpriseparty for both of us.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah.
A real fun surprise party aswe're burning in hell because we
didn't repent and accept theproper Lord and Savior.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
That's obviously not what we're talking
about.

Speaker 2 (28:22):
But if that's just, you know, that's just like your
opinion man.
You know, like

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Yeah.
But that is very easily tracedback to political and other like
there's like, you can really getinto that.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Okay, let's do it.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I, what I would love, let's get into it, whatever this
episode was.
What I I think it'simportant to be skeptical,
right?
It's not blindly believe everyparanormal experience that you
see or have.

Speaker 2 (28:47):
Great.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
I also think it's important to be open-minded
enough to not believe that weknow everything about the world.
Cuz of course we don't.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Of course not.
Um, and I think, but there's avery fine line between looking
at something that can beexplained without the paranormal
versus looking at something andbe like, well, it could also be
explained by the paranormal, solet's go with that.
You know, it's like we Right.

(29:15):
We're we're, we're looking atthe same line.
We're just standing on differentsides of it.
It's not like there was a 70foot tall moth man walking
around the city.
And it's like, you know what?
I betcha that was just a, a bighoax.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Okay.
But I, I think that there's adifference between someone like
me who believes in thepossibility of an afterlife or
some sort of like spiritualcontinuation or spirit
continuation versus, you know,nine rings of hell in this whole
like, hierarchy of angels anddemon.
Like, like to me, I think one ofthose things is more likely than

(29:53):
the other.
Even if you're just looking atthe scientific evidence that we
have.
And I also think, and I I'm nottrying to discredit anybody's
religion here.
I'm just talking about my ownpersonal beliefs, but I also
think that there's, we know,right?
We know for a fact that we canonly see and process whatever
small percentage of what'sactually happening around us.

(30:15):
Sure.
Like that's scientific fact.
That is fact.
So knowing that can, can youunderstand the concept that some
things could happen?
That we don't have theterminology or the understanding
of the universe enough to evenprocess.
So we put Yeah.
We say it's a u f O, we say it'sthis we, because those are terms
that we understand.
It's a ghost.
Mm-hmm.
, it's this, butthis kind of brings us back to

(30:36):
the moth man stuff that you werejust talking about, but like the
idea of explaining physics to acockroach.
Sure.
I don't think we know enoughabout the world.
We are the cockroaches.
Like we don't know enough andall we have are the, the terms
that we have.
But, but do I think that there'sa lot more happening out there
than we have the perception ofYes.

(30:56):
Absolutely.
All right.
I think we'd be silly to notthink that.

Speaker 2 (31:00):
No, I'm, I'm, I, I I agree.
I'm,

Speaker 1 (31:02):
And I also think that living in a world where I
believe there's possibilities ofthings is way more fun than
living in a world that I thinkis really limited and closed.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Ah, being a naysayer is exhausting.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Yeah.
You must need to sleep

Speaker 2 (31:16):
Today.
All the time.
It's exhausting.
.

Speaker 1 (31:18):
Well, we have one final story that I am extra
excited for.
Okay.
This comes to us.
Well, I won't tell you

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Who this came to us.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
This came to us first time sharer on the pod, and
there's some beautiful photosthat came with this post that
I'm going to hopefully getpermission to share on social
media so that there's somevisual references that can go
along with what I'm saying.
The haunting of Agnes Avenue.
My husband and I were drivingback from Austin after we

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visited my best friend.
I saw a beautiful Victorian homedriving down I 35 back towards
home.
I leaned over to my husband andsaid, wouldn't it be cool to own
an old Victorian home?
He nodded and agreed.
I had always wanted to have abed and breakfast because I was
bored.
I started looking on my phone atHomes for sale over the next 30

(32:10):
minutes and came across awebsite with Victorian Homes for
Sale.
Hey, let's take a little detour.
I told my husband, let's head tothis town called Marlon, Texas.
It's only about 20 minutes offthe highway.
Are we really doing this?
He responded, and I nodded myhead.
I called the realtor listed, andamazingly she was able to show
us the home We arrived in thesmall town of Marlin, which we

(32:33):
would later learn, had a veryinteresting history.
We turned down Agnes Avenue andwe're in awe of the three story
White Queen Anne Victorian homedirectly to our right.
But that wasn't the home we werecoming to see, and we could tell
it needed more work than we werewilling to put in the house.
Next to it was a beautiful, wellrestored yellow Victorian home

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built in 1930.
It had a wraparound porch inbeautiful gables.
We pulled into the driveway andgot out to meet the realtor
broom by room.
We were amazed by thearchitecture and instantly fell
in love.
Within the week we put in anoffer and it was accepted.
The former owner even sold usall the furniture.
She had so wonderfully furnishedit with the first night, we all

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stayed in the same room as therewas only a bed in the master.
We made a pallet on the floorfor our daughter who was five
years old at the time.
It was strange being in a home,this old with all the unique
smells and creaking floorboards.
The master had two glass doorsthat opened into the dining room
and looked out into the kitchen.
Houses during this time had adifferent flow and lots of doors

(33:39):
to be more specific for exitdoors going outside.
We figured it was to let a goodbreeze through the home before
air conditioning.
Every time we slept in the home,I would always wake up in the
middle of the night and starethrough the dining room to the
kitchen that was very darkbeyond.
It was like someone was watchingme, but there was no one there
and no movement.

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My father died when I was veryyoung and I had felt what seemed
like his presence before, butthis was nothing like it.
It was a different feeling.
The first night we were there, Ishook it off.
The next day we explored theattic.
We were surprised to find achimney in the attic.
We called the realtor and shetold us that they used to burn
coal back in the day, and thatthe rest of the chimney was

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walled up right there in one ofthe kitchen walls.
We also found a doll head in abeautiful hutch in the kitchen.
It had a little note that saidit had been found under the
house, which was pure and beam,and had been discovered during
the foundation being fixed.
The note specifically said thatit should stay with the house.
A little creepy with some of thepossessed doll movies out, but

(34:42):
still kind of cool to us.
Our first weekend was busy withgetting my daughter a bed and
setting up her room.
Her room would have the only tv.
We wanted to do things the oldfashioned way here and have
family time minus electronics.
The TV had a VHS tape playerbuilt in.
My aunt gave us a vintage dollhouse that my daughter played
with in her room all weekend.

(35:02):
But soon it came time to go backto our home in Arlington.
As we drove away from the house.
My four-year-old said, mommy,when will we be going back?
I wanna see the nice lady again.
What nice lady?
The realtor I asked, no mommy.
The one that watched me playwith the dolls.
She told me.
Innocently chills went up anddown my arms.
My husband glanced at me quicklyand I knew he wondered the same.

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What had she seen in the oldhouse that we couldn't see?
We went back once a month andquickly forgot about the
incident.
I was very excited to takepictures and learned more about
the history of the home in town.
I learned that the hotel in themiddle of Marlon was one of the
original Hilton hotels.
I found out that in 1929, ConradHilton built his eighth Hilton

(35:48):
hotel in Marlon to serve themany visitors frequenting the
Marlon Sanitarium Bathhouse.
In 1893, aha Artisan Spring wasdiscovered and Marlon became
known for its curative waters.
I also learned about the familythat had lived in our house for
years and met the grandson thatlived down the street.
He had told us a veryinteresting story.

(36:09):
The room where my daughter staysused to be the actual dining
room.
It has a swinging door thatleads directly to the kitchen.
So we figured it out.
His aunt used to live in thehouse and was very nice on the
day of a parade, she was allgussied up with a feather boa.
When she fell asleep in thedining room table, never to wake
again.
That's when things started toclick.

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I was shocked.
Had my daughter had to visitfrom this woman.
I still wasn't sure as myhusband and I had not had any
experiences of our own.
Then one night we decided to putour daughter in the main bedroom
to sleep so we could watch a VHStape of space balls.
While we were sitting on thebed, I heard the back door swing
open and bang against theswinging door.
Leading to my daughter's roomwhere we now sat.

(36:53):
Being from the city lockingdoors and security are very
important.
My husband jumped up and raninto the kitchen.
I yelled at him to run and checkon our daughter.
I was so scared.
An intruder had broken into thehouse.
While the town wasn't very big,it did have high crime for
thievery and break-ins, so itwould not have been unheard of.
My husband ran to the mainbedroom where our daughter was

(37:16):
still sleeping.
He checked the whole house andfound nothing.
He even walked to the back ofthe property and around the
house demotion lights had notcome on, which would have told
us if someone was in the yard.
I had locked the doors myselfthat night.
So the fact that the door flewopen was impossible, even for an
old creaky home.
I need to tell you something.
My husband said when my bestfriend and I stayed in the house

(37:38):
a month ago when we stopped herebefore camping on the Brazos
River, something happened tohim.
My eyes were wide knowingsomething creepy was coming.
My friend was using thebathroom, the one next to my
daughter's room with a door thatsticks badly in his heart to
open.
I was outside and he camerunning out asking if I had
played a joke on him.

(37:59):
I told him no and asked what wasgoing on.
He told me he was using thebathroom when the door flew open
very quickly and hard, he was sopetrified and set off by the
fact that it wasn't me prankinghim, that he ended up sleeping
on the floor in the main roomthat night with me because he
was so freaked out.
Holy crap.
So that makes three experiencesbetween my daughter, his friend,

(38:21):
and now us.
I confirmed he nodded.
When we went to bed, I did notsleep well that night.
I kept waking up and lookingthrough the dining room into the
dark, dark kitchen.
I told my husband that Iprobably was the old woman that
died in our house.
Nothing more.
I didn't wanna give it any powerand hoped that it was a
non-malicious being.

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The next day I was outsidetaking photos of the Queen Anne
house next door and reallywanted to explore the property.
The grass had grown tall, eventhough a couple from Austin had
bought it.
I literally was falling apartfrom neglect.
I started by taking photos withmy digital camera, which was
better than my phone from thefront of the home.
I like to put it in sepia modeto capture the house in an old

(39:05):
timey photo way.
The paint on the white railingof the porch was peeling and
falling off the porch swing wassitting on one side of the porch
where the chain had broken.
When I moved to take a photo ofthe window on the second floor,
the side that faces our yellowVictorian, I paused at a
movement of the old whitecurtain.
Maybe a draft in the house hadmoved it.

(39:26):
I went to take a photo and mycamera did the strangest thing.
It said battery dead and turnedoff.
I knew this was impossible.
As I had just charged it, Iturned it back on.
It came on and I took a pictureof our home.
Then I turned back to the secondstory window, next door.
An eerie feeling came over melike a whisper on your neck that
causes all the little hairs tostand up.

(39:48):
I aimed the camera for a secondphoto and again, the camera shut
off.
I felt very uneasy at this pointand decided to walk back home.
Later in the day after myhusband finished painting the
back porch and playing baseballwith our daughter, we went to
the back of the Queen Anne to dosome more exploring.
There was a cottage behind thehome that had two sides to it,

(40:09):
both with its own front doorentrance.
However, where the doorswould've been was now a gaping
hole.
The cottage may have been grandin its day, but now was a
disaster and probably asquatter's home.
We went into the left sidefirst.
It was a small room full oflight, nothing of significance,
maybe a servants quarters.

(40:29):
With the house being late 18hundreds, early 19 hundreds.
It's very possible that thisthree story beauty had its own
maid in Butler.
Then we walked through the tallgrass praying that there was no
snakes like our neighbor hadwarned us of only the day
before, and walked into theother side of the cottage.
It was dark, dreary and had anoverwhelming creep factor about

(40:49):
it.
We looked into the closet andthere were shackles and chains
attached to the wall.
Something is very wrong here.
I told my husband as I rubbedthe goosebumps on my arms, my
daughter even asked to leave myhusband and I quickly grabbed
her and we did.
I will never forget that eeriefeeling of being in that cottage
where we think something very,very bad happened with the town

(41:12):
having a sanitarium.
Was it possible a family membercould have been shackled there?
We would never know the truth.
Oddly, the zip code in this cityis 76, 6 61.
If you're a religious person,then you know what the 66 6
stands for.
I'm just saying after sevenyears of loving the house and
having those few experiences, wesadly decided to sell it during

(41:36):
2020.
I put my dreams of having a bedand breakfast on hold as family
needs and work took up too muchtime to even consider managing
one.
Plus, the town seemed to havetoo much bad luck.
Offers were made to the hoteland the veterans hospital that
could have revitalized the town,but they fell through hgtv, came
and looked at the queen andhome, but decided not to put it

(41:58):
on fixed or upper with covid.
And the loss of all of thesethings not taking off the town
was no longer an ideal place forour bed and breakfast.
We left the new owner with thedoll head and a note saying,
this doll head belongs in thishouse.
We didn't wanna bring anythingghostly from the house back to
our home in Arlington, eventhough we ain't afraid of no

(42:19):
ghosts.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
Okay.
I mean this, there was a lotthat happened in this story lot,
lot of twists and turns.
Uh, the f the first thing thatreally piqued my interest though
was when the little girl said acomment about the woman that was
watching her.
I was really hoping, cuz they,they found the woman who it

(42:44):
might be the ghost of thatwoman, right?
Yep.
Because they talked to theneighbor.
It was an old family relative,right?
Yep.
I really wished that they'dgotten a photograph of that
person and then just like,basically done a lineup with
like a bunch of dummy photos ofold-timey, you know, well red

(43:06):
herrings I guess.
And then just put'em on a tableand see if the daughter could
pick her out of a lineup.
Yeah.
Because if she could hold,that's a good idea.
Holy cow.
Talk about some validation.

Speaker 1 (43:18):
My friend's daughter right now who's very young
lately has been talking aboutpeople in this kind of way.
Like people that aren't there,or noises or, or people being in
corners of rooms walking downhallways with her and they don't
have a sense of who those peoplecould be if, if they were real.
But that's an interesting idea.

(43:38):
If they find out maybe somehistory.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Well, that's the thing.
Like, you know, kids have reallyunbridled imaginations.
It is so easy to concoct degrand's, not hallucination,
fantasy, whatever you wanna callit, daydream, you know, but
there's always a chance thatthere is some validity to
something.
And so by having indisputableproof by having a photograph of

(44:05):
that person mixed in with a biglineup, I mean sure, not
indisputable, cuz there's alwaysthat, you know, one in six
chance I guess that they picketarbitrarily.
Right?
But if that is the person thatdied in that home and your young
daughter is saying, this is theone that's seeing me without
every, without any context, youknow, to like tip her off that
she should be picking thisthing.

(44:26):
Like, I don't know.
That's, that's kind of spooky.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Yeah.
I mean, I also think thatthere's probably an age where
kids have seen enough media thatthey know how to pretend that
something is haunted.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
Or, or in their brain they're like, oh, I'm, I'm
scared of this now because I'veseen horror movies or scary
things.
But I also wonder what that ageis, you know, if you're talking
about a two or three year old,if, if them having that kind of
experience feels more validbecause it's before they've been
immersed in that like horrorculture.
I don't know.
I'm just throwing things outinto the universe.

(45:01):
Hmm.
I sent much of my childhoodbeing afraid and there was a
definitive shift betweenmemories I have of things, you
know, happening Sure.
Versus being afraid of, ofscary.
Like, like the X-files.

Speaker 2 (45:16):
Right.
You know?
Right.
And then there's that gray areaof you don't even know whether
it's real or fake.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Well, as an adult, I think I can look back soberly,

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Uh, your tentacle story.
.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Well obviously that was fake.
Obviously that didn't happen,but I have a memory of it and as
an adult I can admit thatclearly it didn't happen.

Speaker 2 (45:35):
But that is irrational mind saying, I have a
memory of this happening forsure, but there's no way that it
could have happened.
So it must have been fake.
Right.
So like that, where does thatfall?

Speaker 1 (45:48):
Or, or it must have been fake or unexplainable,
right?
It could be in somewhere inbetween.
You're right.
It could be a gray area, but Idon't have, I don't have a
rational, logical, earthlyexplanation for it.
There was clearly not an octopusin the attic.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
Yeah.
Clearly.
Um, all of the other thingsthough, nothing got me about
like, wow, a hundred percentsupernatural.
Like doors flying open.
That's a little unsettling, butstuff happens.
Right.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
But there's a difference between like, okay, a
door creeks open and, and I'mnot, I'm not saying it's a
ghost, but I'm saying there's adifference between, okay, you're
in an old creaky house, which Ilived in things, creek things
shift.
The walls aren't totally evenright sometimes.
Mm-hmm.
.
So like, yeah, you, even if youthink you lock a door sometimes

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the door can can open.
There's a difference betweenthat and a door violently being
thrown open.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
All I know is every time someone has come to me and
be like, yeah, the, the, there'ssome movement in the house of
things that are not supposed tobe moving.
If you investigate it thoroughlyenough.
Granted this has not happened tome many times, Uhhuh
.
But if you investigate itthoroughly enough, you can find
what's going on.
And it's usually a very mundaneexplanation.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Maybe,

Speaker 2 (47:10):
You know,

Speaker 1 (47:10):
If that door always flung, open violently, then
maybe, but it doesn't sound likethat's the case.

Speaker 2 (47:17):
I mean, yeah.
You

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like sure.
Houses have ticks, so if youstep on this sixth floor board
for some reason it tickles thehouse.
You know, whatever.
Like,

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Oh, the ticks.
I'm like, geez, Lyme disease,.
No.
Um,

Speaker 1 (47:28):
But you know what

Speaker 2 (47:28):
I what I mean?
Yeah, no, I gotcha.
Yeah, exactly.
If you're in a quiet house,nothing is happening and all of
a sudden bam.
Like yeah, that's, it'sunsettling.
Yeah.
But I'm not gonna say it'ssupernatural.
Uh,

Speaker 1 (47:40):
Well, no one's asking you to.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
No.
Sure.
Uh, same thing with like theshackles on the wall.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
I have a similar story to that as well.
Okay.
Which we'll get into anothertime.
But, but it, it was, that wasone of the things that really
drew me into this story becauseI have a very similar story and
I just think it's so bizarre.
And that to me is that is likeclearly a remnant of something
terrible that happened here.
Like regardless of theintention, regardless of why

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there's shackles on the wall,, it's, it's not going to
be a good human positivesituation that someone endured
something terrible here.
And regardless of that, thatwhether it's the manifestation
of just like bad energy versus ahaunting, it's just not gonna be
good.

Speaker 2 (48:25):
I don't know.
There's like, uh, so up in myhometown, like there's a lot of
very old buildings mm-hmm.
and, you know,some of these are pretty much
untouched cuz they got, youknow, repurposed for industrial
stuff, but they have likesections of it that are just not
, not used.

(48:45):
Right.
And there's like a lot of creepystuff in, uh, like, I'm, I'm
thinking of this, this onebuilding where it has like a old
, because it used to be an oldfactory and this, there's this
whole area that was like walledoff.
So like, of course it's prettyuntouched and back there was
like all this really creepy.

(49:06):
Right.
Uh, that it makes it seem likethis area is straight out of
like one of the saw movies.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
First off, you're already freaking yourself out.
You're looking for nefariousintent when this can be so
easily explained by boredteenagers in the fifties.
Right.
Uh, I

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Don't know if I'm following

Speaker 2 (49:31):
Where it's just like, I'm gonna set up this spooky
thing and just leave it.
Cuz it's funny.
What's,

Speaker 1 (49:36):
What spooky thing did they set up?

Speaker 2 (49:39):
Uh, just like, you know, it's like satanic graffiti
with like weird stains.
Places.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
You think teenagers in the fifties were doing that?

Speaker 2 (49:48):
50, uh, uh, f fifties was a bad example.
Like there's, there's graffitiall over the building Sure.
And like, people write the dateand so Yeah.
Stuff goes back to like, maybelike 62 I think is the oldest
that I noticed.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Yeah.
I mean, graffiti is, you know,that's the nature of graffiti.
Yeah.
You can go into any abandonedold building and there's people
write, you know, creepy graffition the walls.
Yes.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
It's cre Yeah.
So you have this like satanicgraffiti with like, what could
be blood stains and, you know,uh, chains and a pail on the
floor.
Like, okay, cool.
Like, yeah, it's spooky, butit's also funny.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
I think that's different because these houses
are privately owned and the, thesituation that I had, again, we,
we really had to like, I sh Isay we, I wasn't there this, but
the situation with the chains Ithink is being drilled into
walls.
Like, it's not like throwingsome chains onto the ground.
Th these are like in the housethat I'm referring to too.

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It was like sets of chains, likeacross the whole basement that
were soldered into the walls.
Like that's not a prank

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Soldered.

Speaker 1 (50:53):
Yeah.
Like, or whatever, you know,drill, like

Speaker 2 (50:56):
Probably bolt a

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Chain bolted Yeah.
Into brick, you know,

Speaker 2 (50:59):
Masonry nails.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
That was not, that's not some teenagers setting that
up.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
Ah, you really underestimate teenagers.
But I don't know if I had theopportunity to make a spooky
thing for future generations tofind, I would absolutely do it.
Cuz I would find that hilarious.

Speaker 1 (51:15):
You're the problem.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Yeah.
I, I fully admit that, but I amcertainly not the first.

Speaker 1 (51:21):
Okay.
Well it's been really funtalking to you about all of this
as always.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Uhhuh.
So this who Yeah.
Where's the story come from?

Speaker 1 (51:28):
This story comes to us from Erin Bryant, who very,
very graciously reached out,sent this again, sent some
beautiful photos of these housesthat she's talking about.
Hopefully I'll be able to sharethose for everybody.
We're, I'm, I'm so grateful forErin.
I thought this, all of thestories today were super well
written and I loved the, thediversity.

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We had a classic ghost story,classic U f o, light in the sky
sighting, and then probably thescariest of the mall.
Like a real terrifying humaninteraction.
Yeah.
Which is really the monster atthe core of everything.
Sure.

Speaker 2 (52:05):
Yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
You know, like UFOs, ghosts, those things could be
scary because they're unknown,but when you're talking about
human monsters, that's the worstof the worst.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
Um, I do wanna clarify that.
I really enjoyed this last storyand because honestly it fit very
well with the others and thatnothing seemed dolled up.
Yeah.
All these seemed very, like thiswas my experience and I love
that.
Like I, I, I want to have somekind of experience.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
I want that for you so badly.
More than I want anything else.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
You have very interesting priorities.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I might pay a private medium a lot of money to try to
break you.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Please do not.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
I might

Speaker 2 (52:50):
Don't do it.
They're all fakes.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Well not if they can break you.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Okay.
You think that person who is ona zoom call with 400 people was
the real deal?

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Yes, I do.
I personally do.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Okay.
And over zoom they made apsychic connection with you?

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Not with me.
Okay.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
No, actually I'm sorry.
I'm really not going to disputepsycho connections over zoom.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Great.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
As phony as it sounds, Uhhuh, I
have firsthand experience withsomeone making a psycho
connection over zoom toexcellent results.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
Are you talking about our experiences with Charlotte?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
.
So our friend Charlotte, we willshout out and leave a link to
her services below.
But our friend Charlotte, whodoes readings for mediumship and
psychic readings for pets andanimals, an animal communicator,
she gave us a life-changingreading for our cat James.
That actually really changed thedynamic in our household quite

(53:54):
significantly.
So,

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I mean, on paper I think this is very silly.
Mm-hmm.
, however I cannotargue with results.
That's right.
By implementing the changes thatshe suggested based off her
second interactions with James.
Mm-hmm.
are so stupidlyspot on that my complete,
my relationship with the cat hascompletely changed

Speaker 1 (54:16):
For the wedding.
And honestly then therelationship between us has
become better.
Yeah.
So we're, we're very, very, verygrateful for Charlotte.
But, but it's, it's exactly thesame sort of thing.

Speaker 2 (54:27):
No, it is

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Not.
If you came, I wish you would bemore open to coming because I,

Speaker 2 (54:32):
This is charlatan.

Speaker 1 (54:34):
I really disagree.
I really do.
And, and I, I don't want to talkabout this publicly, but I
really do, and I really have, Ibelieve experiences that even as
an observer in this space, inperson, I've seen him multiple
times in person.
This

Speaker 2 (54:49):
Is[inaudible] wasn't it?

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I'm not going to say who it was

Speaker 2 (54:53):
[inaudible] It's a hundred

Speaker 1 (54:53):
Percent.
But that just being an observerand hearing people's reaction
and hearing people's reactionafter the fact that it's
powerful.
And I'll say this, nobody leavesthat feeling upset or agitated.
I would, and, and I do thinkpeople, I admit that people go
looking for people who are maybedesperate for connections with

(55:15):
loved ones who are taken toosoon or tragically, and they go
looking for that validationbecause they're grieving.
And I understand thecomplexities of that, right?
Sure.
They look at the Civil War.
After the Civil War, thespiritualism movement in the US
skyrocketed because people werelooking for ways to connect with
people that they had tragicallylost.
I can very clearly logically seethe connection, but

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Look at, look at the vipers that chase after people
that lose their kids.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
But I will say this, nobody leaves one of these
events feeling worse.
People who have readings allleave feeling validated and like
they, they have connected withthese loved ones that they
really, really miss.
And the intimate personaldetails, like I've seen this
person read rooms of thousandsof people.

(56:02):
He reads, you know, 20, 30different groups with such
intimate details and sometimesthey don't even know, and they
figured out at the end like, oh,that's what this is talking
about.
And he'll fight with them on it.
And I just wish that you wouldbe open enough to go and observe

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Okay.
With a pool of people that big.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
But he's not, not being vague.

Speaker 2 (56:24):
No, he's

Speaker 1 (56:24):
Not.
He's going, Hey, guy in thegreen beanie is your grandfather
named Walter?

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Hey, guy in the green beanie, who is our paid actor,

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Alan,

Speaker 2 (56:35):
As someone that works in television, and you're,

Speaker 1 (56:38):
This is not being televised.

Speaker 2 (56:39):
Doesn't matter, people are paying a lot of money
to do this.
Are they not in a pool?
Again, if this was, uh, areading

Speaker 1 (56:46):
There, there's details that are available that
are not able to be looked up.
And there's people that have hadreadings that we know that I
personally know.
Mm-hmm.
.
So I know that they're not paidactors.
So what do you have to say tothat?

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I say that those readings were pretty vague.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
They were not, there was intimate details that nobody
had shared with each other.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
I feel like the really successful mediums, have
you seen this?
The show Psych?
No, you gotta watch psych.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Okay.
I'll watch Psych if you comewith me to an event.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
It's basically somebody who is a super good
detective, all Sherlock Holmesy,and he's just so good at reading
people and context clues.
Sure.
That it is easier for him toclaim psychic powers than having
to constantly explain himself.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Yeah.
I believe that.
I, I believe that that's real.
And I think a lot of thesepeople certainly can be really
good at like, you know, readingbody language and whatever else,
but I, I don't think that tellsyou some of the that comes out
of this mouth.

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Disagree.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
Oh, really?
You can look at a group ofpeople and say, oh, did you have
a debate over your, your husbandleg came off in a car accident.
Did you have a debate overwhether or not you should have
put that leg in the coffin ornot?

Speaker 2 (58:01):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
You could tell that from looking at a group of
people.

Speaker 2 (58:05):
Me personally, no.
If I had a paid actor plant,yes.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Okay.
So we agree to disagree.
Yes.
Great.
If you would like to sendstories for us to read and
debate on lunatics radio hour,you can reach out to us via
email, films about lunaticsgmail.com especially if you have
a story that could stump Alan onthe debunking side of things.
I would love that.
If you have any suggestions forhaunted hotels or locations

(58:33):
where I could take Alan so hecould have a paranormal
experience, I would also be opento hearing those.
And as always, you can reach uson any of our social media
channels.
It's, it's an easy and fast wayto get in

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Touch.
I think this is gonna be thelast one of these that we're
gonna do where it's just us.
I think we need to have morepeople on these types of
episodes

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Panels,

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Just so Yeah.
We can bounce ideas offsomebody.
We need someone who's perfectlyneutral,

Speaker 1 (58:59):
Kind of, uh, dial us back

Speaker 2 (59:01):
A little because you are, you're, you're on team,
anything goes,

Speaker 1 (59:08):
You're on team, nothing goes.

Speaker 2 (59:10):
That's correct.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
So here

Speaker 2 (59:11):
We are.
So we need, we need somebody onteam.
Half the things go.

Speaker 1 (59:15):
Okay.
Well, we'll start thinking aboutour perfect panelist.
Okay.
Thank you all so much for beinghere.
We will talk to you soon.
Stay well.
All right.
Bye.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Bye.