Why Are We So Desperate to Impress People Who Don't Know Us? | Beau Robinson #667 - Man That Can with Lachlan Stuart

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Lachlan Stuart (00:00):
Welcome back to the Man That Cam was Lachlan
Stuart, the podcast helping menbuild resilience, break limits,
and lead themselves powerfully.
Today I'm joined by BoRobinson, former Wallaby, super
rugby champion, and now one ofAustralia's leading leadership
and cultural coaches.
Bo is also the owner of theComplete Property Training and
RTO, delivering real estateeducation since 2009.

(00:20):
He's also the author of thepowerful book In the Arena.
So from the AustralianSchoolboys to Super Rugby Finals
to losing his brother, which wetouched on, rebuilding his
identity and redefiningleadership, Bo brings a
perspective very few men everearn.
In this episode, you'll learnone, how to break free from
external validation and live onyour own terms.

(00:43):
What identity really means whenthe spotlight disappears, and
the mindset that helped Borebuild from setbacks, grief,
and career collapse intopurpose, impact, and leadership.
If this episode resonates withyou, make sure you like, share,
subscribe because it's going tohelp it reach more men who need
to be part of theseconversations.
Let's dive in.
There's so much good stuff thatI want to talk to you about.

(01:05):
And I've gone through so muchof your content.
You're very consistent withyour Friday learnings.
And one that I wanted to startwith because it's something that
I experienced and something wemight have spoken about before,
but I was definitely talkingabout it yesterday.
But keeping up with theJoneses, I know you put a video
out about it months ago.
I struggle, bro.

(01:27):
Being in Brisbane, like whathave you thought more about it
since you put that video out?
Not really.
I was like, I hope you justcome and come back with an
article or a research paper.

Beau Robinson (01:41):
No, I don't have the time or patience to no what
do you mean?
What are you like?

Well, when you're talking about you you
bumped into a mate who justmoved out out of the, I guess,
the spotlight, the town, andhe's enjoying peace and quiet.
And it's like I just got sickof keeping up with the Joneses.
For me, when I'm in Brisbane, Ifeel like I have to earn more
money and I have to constantlybe showing that I'm successful.

(02:09):
But when I go back to Toomba,or even when I was living
overseas, that just disappeared.
Like I felt like I had thisfreedom to just live how I
actually wanted to live, if thatmakes sense.

Yeah, definitely.
I think um, and you know, I Isee a lot of people like that, I
suppose, just for a bit ofcontext and background, you
know, I've done businesscoaching, do leadership
coaching, you know, mindsetcoaching, and that's a real
issue for a lot of people,right?
But you know, I suppose evenfor you, like why do you feel as

(02:43):
though you need to do that inBrisbane?
And I think for a lot ofpeople, based on my observations
and experience, they're lookingfor external validation.
That sucks to hear.
I don't know, like that again,that's just my perspective and
why.
I don't know.

(03:04):
Why do they you know why arethey trying to impress people
that don't even know?

I guess if you go back to the external value
validation, it's just wanting topotentially be seen or feel
seal feel value valued.

Yeah, I'll give it from my perspective, right?
Yeah if I don't know you, thenI'm probably not necessarily
giving a great deal of thoughtaround what your thoughts are of
me.
Yeah.
Right?
Like in saying that, a lot of Isee a lot of people, you know,
I just ran into two peoplerandomly down at Newstead there.

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And I want their perspective tobe, because they do know me,
that aligns with what I want tobe regarded as.
Right?
But if someone's got an illopinion of me, or you know, not
a great opinion, and I don'tlike that person anyway, like I
don't give a stuff.
Does that make sense?

(04:03):
Yeah, like or I don't respectthem anyway.
I'm like, I don't care.
But as long as the people thatI like know have a good opinion
of me and regard me highly,that's important.
So you know, you and I don'tknow each other very well, but I
think you know, from what I'veseen on social media and

(04:24):
catching up with you, you know,we're pretty aligned, right?
So if you came back to me like,uh, you know, or I got a
feeling that there was somethingthat you thought I, you know,
could be better or do better, orthere's something about my
personality, that I would valuebecause I'm like, okay, I feel
as though I'm aligned withLockheed.
Yep.
Values, behaviors, or wonderwhy he's getting that, or what

(04:46):
have I done to give him that?
But you know, someone down theroad.
Who's never met you, they justhave an idea of you.
I don't care.
I don't care.
Yeah.
I mean, I I do care to someextent, like I but they might
have, you know, they're so farremoved.
Yeah, literally, they don'tunderstand all the nuances and
whatnot.
And you see, like, that happensa fair bit in in in my

(05:07):
coaching, right?
When I go into teams and andand businesses and companies,
they're like, oh, I've I've youknow professional rugby player,
former professional rugbyplayer, right?
So they have this alreadypreconceived idea of what I'll
be and who I'll be like that.
I just talk football all thetime.
Yep.
And I'm you know anything butthat.

Literally, yeah.
That's what I loved aboutcatching up with you.
I warranted, like I had thatsame preconceived idea of like
footy player he'll love lovetalking footy.
We probably I don't think wereally even spoke about footy.
No, I don't think we've everreally spoken about footy.
This is the most we've done,and I feel uncomfortable.
Let's move on.
But I think that's the thegreat thing, and the thing that

(05:48):
I was really impressed aboutwith you is like how much you've
done post-rugby.
I've that that transitionperiod you said, and I'll
paraphrase it, but like owningyour impact for the people that
do know you and the people thatyou care about.
You're very focused on how youlet them feel like you know, the
impact that you have aroundthem.
What was that like during thattransition period where you go

(06:11):
on from rugby?
That had been your identity forso long, and then into life
after sport.

Yeah, it was I think I was much more grounded
even getting before becoming aprofessional rugby player
because I hadn't grown up in,you know, sort of a bit more of
a working class family, youknow, out in Dubbo and went to a
boarding school at Stennings inBathur.
So it wasn't a massive GPSschool, and I it sort of and my

(06:40):
old man will bring you back downto earth pretty quickly, right?
So you don't get too big foryour belt.

I got a funny story that you shared that I'm
gonna talk about with thatlater.

Right?
So, like you get too confident,cocky bang, he'll bring you
back down real quick.
Yeah.
So I was always like, um, notnecessarily like I didn't see
myself as a professional rogueplayer, someone who played
professional rugby, right?
It wasn't who I was, it's whatI did.
And that was really, you know,hit home when so just again for

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those that don't know, like youknow, I I I made my professional
debut at 20.
The following year played inthe super rugby final, right,
for the Waratars against theCrusaders over in Christchurch.
The third year I was still withthe team but didn't get a run.
New coach came in.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Yep.

You know, later that year I couldn't find
anything in the world and endedup in the third division in
Italy.
Now, Italy's a beautiful place.
The rugby's absolutelyatrocious, and especially in the
third division.
So I'd been after the thecultural experience, amazing,
the rugby experience.

(07:43):
Oh my god.
And uh whilst over there, mybrother passed away coming over
to see me, and so I didn't havea professional contract.
So I literally went from youknow being in a super rugby
final to then my brother passingwithout a super rugby or
professional rugby contract andworking as a garbo on the
northern beaches.

(08:03):
So that the you know, I Isuppose if you want to look at
the positives, that againreminded me like no one gives a
shit.

What I'm fascinated in is like how do you
you're playing a super rugbyfinal, right?
Like athl rugby players spendtheir whole career just trying
to make that.
You did that at 2021, right?
2020, right, 2021, and thenyou've gone on like that's
essentially one of the pinnaclemoments next would probably be
Wallabies, right?
But then you fall.

(08:34):
Like, how how do you managethat though?
Because so many people look atthe state of affairs in
Australia at the moment, right?
There's a lot of people who arestruggling financially, right?
Yet they're still I always seelike help wanted at McDonald's
and whatever, and people stillthink they're too good to go
work there.
But if I look at the what's theobjective putting food on the

(08:55):
table or surviving, they change,but you've sort of seemed to
navigate not smoothly, butdefinitely not smoothly.

You you've just done what you've needed to do.
Yeah, it's interesting.
So I went down to the MoringaRatzmile Club team down there,
and they're like, you know, wecan get you these corporate jobs
in the city, like you know, abig career.
And I was like, no, fuck that.
I just want to be aprofessional rugby player, and
I'm gonna be a professionalrugby player again.
So I appreciate it.
I just want a job that startsearly, finishes early, so I can

(09:25):
go do my training.
Lo and behold, Garbo was.
And because I had a goal ofactually playing for the
Melbourne Rebels because they'rea new team coming in in 2011,
you know, all these new spots,and again, I was at this stage
23.
Yep.
And you know, I I I was prettydedicated and committed.
It's not like I was a ToddCarney or Ben Cousins, right?

(09:48):
Pretty focused, and and it wasexciting because they had all
these new contracts, butunfortunately, by the time they
gave all of them out, none ofthem had my name on it.
Um unfortunately orfortunately, the way you want to
look at it.
How do you find the drive tokeep going?
It's a good point.
You see, they go, Why am Idoing this?
You go, like, what's youralternative?

Yeah, I I find it.
I just want to try and likeunpack it because a lot of
people talk about mindset, andquite often I think they're
referring to mindset asresilience.
Like, how do I continuepersevering to achieve what I
want?

So yeah, so literally, right?
Righto, this is too hard,right?
This is this is is this worthit?
And there'll be times when yougo, it's not.
And then they sit there and Igo, Righto, what else am I gonna
do?
And look like look at myoptions, are they better?
No, then just keep going.
Yeah, like if you've got abetter option, that's all right,

(10:47):
go and pivot.
Yeah.
But I you know, and I do this afair bit and probably more
consciously now, um, with someof the you know the personal
development stuff that I've uhdone over the le last couple of
years, but it is literally thisis crap, this is crap, and even
with my coach, I go, that's allright.
You don't have to do it.

(11:07):
No one's making you do it.
No one made you take this role.
So if you don't like it, getout.
Oh yeah, what else would youdo?
I don't know.
Well, probably go and write alist and see if it'd work or
not.
It is that simple, right?
Like simple, you like most ofthe stuff with the coach I've

(11:30):
done and just simplify itbecause it just resonates.
Yep, just lands home.

Even for me, like I went and played footy in
France probably the same time Iwas watching you playing on
footy on TV.
I think we talked more aboutyour football career last time
we called up online.
Well it was longer, right?
But after that, like I didn't Iat that time I didn't have the
know-how or the simplificationto go, well, what's your

(11:58):
alternative?
So I was just like, Well, I'm afailure, let's just go drink,
and hopefully we'll findsomething in that position,
which obviously we know you younever do.
Yeah, and now that I've sort ofgot like a second what I
consider a second chance whereI've found another thing that I
love doing and I want to begreat at, I just never want to
take a shortcut because Idefinitely took shortcuts back

(12:19):
in the day because there was anelement growing up I did well to
a degree, so and when you dowell, especially as a young kid,
it's like you're gettingpraised, and it feels good as a
kid to get validated, and youalways want that, right?
Yeah, but then you also if ifthings do come a little bit
easier to you, you said you hada hard uh you know working class
upbringing for me.
Sport in that specific thingwas was easy, so I did start

(12:41):
taking that for granted.
Whereas now I'm just like, whymy head's so strong is because I
have lost that.
And similar to you sort of wentthrough that roller coaster as
well.
And I think there is a benefitin being humbled somehow that
makes you appreciate the valueof hard work.

Yeah, yeah, most definitely.
And just also to provide morecontext, right?
When I was working as Garbo,like my brother had passed.
So how old was your brother?
Was he a younger?
Younger one, yeah, two yearsyounger than me.
So he had passed, right?
And I'd already been aprofessional rugby player and

(13:18):
already played in a super rugbyfinal, so I knew I could do it,
right?
So I was like, well, I can dothis, and then I think with him
passing, I went out and workedat Burke for like six weeks, and
I was like, you know, it justgave me a really good
opportunity to reflect and go,you know, I think I had a pretty
good perspective on life andhow to approach it, but that was
just like why wouldn't you doit?

(13:39):
Like why what are you gonnalive this life for?
You know, this is it, like youit can go literally.
Like he, you know, he had anaccident so and just gone, never
get to say goodbye.
So it just goes, shit, lifethat's quick, like live it.
Live it.
And and that was a pretty bigwhy too, you know, like you

(14:01):
know, to to live life to thefullest because it can be taken
away that quickly.
And that's why I was like, Ijust that was it, I was just
focused on that and it was justgonna happen.

Do you still use that now as motivation to do
all the things you do?

Yeah, mate, like in terms of like chase the money
or chase happiness.
Yeah.
Yeah, definitely.
100%.

What so you go through obviously you get back
to playing professional rugby,like what was that moment like
for you?
Obviously, losing your brother,Garbo, not getting a contract
with the rebels when you got thephone call or the email,
whatever you got.

Well, I did I didn't because they said no,
because it was the QueenslandReds and my former coach at the
Warrior Tires.
You and Mackenzie had been uphere, he'd been here for a year
and already changed, started tochange the place.
And my manager, you know,reached out to him and said, Can
Bo come up here?
And he's like, No.
No, we've got some other youngblokes that we're developing.

(15:03):
So I reached out to you andmyself and I said, Listen, I've
totally understand and respectyou know your stance.
I said, Can you just give me anopportunity?
He said, Right, eh, nocontract, but you come up and
train with us in the preseason.
And then I was I was trainingMonday, Tuesday, Thursday,
Friday, Saturday mornings, and Iwas working at a pub Wednesday,
Friday night, all day, Saturdayand Saturday night, and always

(15:26):
had Sundays off to recovermentally, physically.
And I was in an agreement thenthat if you got five games, you
got an automatic contract.
And I suppose well the firstgoal was to you know make the
earn, I suppose, the trialgames, then it was to you know
get a spot on the bench, andthen it was to start, and then
it was to get year five games,and then keep you on from there.

unknown (15:50):
Fuck.

So these little milestones that you just had to
focus on.
Well, you another interestingthing, so obviously the
contract's probably in the backof your mind, like I want to see
myself here for a couple ofseasons, which is the big thing,
and maybe you've felt a fairway away at that point in time,
you're rocking up without acontract.
Do you at what points would youuse like I want to be back in

(16:15):
this sign for a couple ofseasons to motivate you and to
get you to do what you neededneeded to do, as opposed to like
I just need to get through thisnext session?

Oh, it was literally probably not until the
five games rolled around andgot that because literally you
did not have any security, likeyou get injured at training,
you're done.
You pack up like if you had aserious injury, pack up and
gone, never to be seen again.

Did you have any niggles during that period
where you're like, ooh.
I don't think so.
No.
You're a fucking animal on thefield though.
I I still I still literally,regardless of what people think
of Aussie rugby at the moment,whenever like we need a bit of
Mungle, I still reference you.
I'm like, we need some morepeople like Bo just to get in
there and fucking get it done.

Hopefully better players, but because if we're
relying on Bo Robinson saveAustralian rugby, we're in some
strife.
We're in some real strife.

Well mate, Australian rugby.
What do you think of it at themoment, just quickly?

I thought from where we were halfway through
the season that we'd probablywould have advanced and
progressed more.
I'm a bit disheartened.

Knowing what you know, right, uh having been in
it, but also with the work thatyou do for mindset leadership,
team coach, like performancecoaching, what do you obviously
this is objective uhsubjectively speaking, like what
do you feel is missing orlacking?
Because the talents, I believethe talent's there.

Yeah, I I was fortunate enough in 2013 that I
went and played with a bay ofplenty steamers in the NPC ITM
over in New Zealand.
Yep.
And so being in that system,you saw that everything was
aligned, like you know, thepurpose of the ITM was then to
develop players for super rugbythat was to develop players to

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the all blacks.
Everything was ultimately forthe all blacks aligned to the
all blacks, and ultimately abovethat at that point in time,
might not be the case now, mightnot be the you know the the
feeling or the sense over there,it was New Zealand rugby, rugby
New Zealand, does that makesense?
Like it was above the allblacks, but everything in terms
of performance was about the allblacks and making sure that
they were, you know, performingsucceeding so that you know the

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next generation was inspired,and you could literally see that
even down the ITM, what two orthree stages away.
Yeah.

And so do you feel like Australia is lacking a
bit of that at the moment?
Based on the time I wasinvolved in the game, definitely
weren't aligned.

Yeah.
Across like again, it was youknow, not towards, you know,
everything was not about thewallabies or Australian rugby.
Yep.

Just the the game and the quick wins.
But do you also then see thatas something like if you're
working in a business, it'salmost like that top-down
mentality where we need to thinkabout who creates a culture and
how the leaders are showing up,then impacts the half of
because the states, the stateunions have a bit more well,

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they have autonomy.

Yeah.
Whereas you walk into acompany, that's not necessarily
the case.
Right.
The departments shouldn'tnecessarily have, you know, just
running their own show.
They've got autonomy,obviously, but they don't get to
call the shots.

Right.
And you feel they should,obviously, it's a case-by-case
basis, but for a company thatlet's say hasn't been improving
its revenue, there's uh culturalissues.
Like where do you feel alwaysat the top?

Yeah, always at the top.
Leadership, then culture, thenteams.
And most most organisations youwalk into, they'll talk about
team, then culture, thenleadership.
No, reverse that.
Get your leaders sorted,they'll sort the culture out,
that'll sort the team out.
Yeah.

I was speaking at an event the other day for a
company and they were literallythe company culture was insane,
like really good.
Like I this was a constructioncompany too, and like they were
doing like a a piece where itwas just like sharing three
questions and I literally sorry,I literally I was sitting in
the back of the room and blokeswere openly praising each other
in the most meaningful way in apublic forum with like a hundred

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other people.
I've never seen that in mylife.
And then might have been sixweeks prior, I was in another
conference with similar, similarsort of field, and the CEOs,
like I'm just looking at theCEO, he's sitting over here
texting during my presentation.
I'm like, how do you expect therest of your staff to pay

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attention or show if they lookover at you and you're
completely disengaged?
And that for me was like theleaders have to lead by example
as well.
It's it's no good to just getsomeone in the room and say we
care about this, and then you'reoff doing other things, even if
you are busy.
You set the tone for things.
Um I haven't met a person inthe last five years not busy.
Yeah, unfortunately.

(21:05):
Some of the unemployed willtell you they're busy.
Everyone's busy.
Literally, literally.
So for you then getting backinto the footy, transitioning
out.
So you made it back, obviously.
You you got your five, got yourcontract.
Yep.
You're feeling pretty goodabout yourself, I would imagine.

Like you you're feeling secure, hopefully.
The fifth game is the 78thminute.
We're playing the cheaters, andI got man of the match.
Actually, I got man of thematch the week before against
the Melbourne Rebels, which wasa nice I told you we need Bo in
the fucking wallabies.

Bring him back.
I've seen some players doingthese things like uh day 68 of
me getting fit again to comeback to represent whatever team,
you should start doing that onTikTok.

Not on TikTok, it might be on TikTok.
I and flew into the ruck 78thminute and uh got concussion.
Um and Fox Sports were going tointerview me, and the Reds
media manager is just looking atme and was like, Oh, he seems a
little more out of it thanusual.
And um thankfully didn't put medidn't didn't get me in front

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of the cameras because I wentinto the change room and I had
concussion, and when I sort ofstarted coming to it, I was
like, you know, ask questionslike why am I wearing a red
jumper, or why am I not wearinga blue jumper?
Oh, you live in Brisbane.
I thought I lived in Sydney.
And the holy crap and therealisation again that my
brother had passed away, so itwas like, you know, the boys are
walking in the change room andI'm absolutely boiling my eyes

(22:37):
out, and they're like shitty.
No, he was aiming for the fivegames, which is probably a bit
over the top of the east.

They haven't even said they're giving you the
contract yet.

So and then we then you had the you know, we're
gun we're literally flying toSouth Africa and it was a pretty
big day for it was uh we'reflying to South Africa the next
day, and you know, mum was inthe stands, she came in the
change rooms, and also you know,she sees me doing that, but
also the next day is the firstday that sort of anyone from the
family's gone back overseasbecause my brother passed away

(23:10):
over in London coming to see me.
So, you know, she was prettystressed and distraught.
And the the Reds, God blessthem, just go, Oh, you've got to
sign this contract to play thenext game.
And I was like, right, there'snot much negotiation here, is
there?
You've got me in the corner,you've got me I'll take it.
And it was the minimumcontract.

(23:32):
But and then you know, afterthat it was still good to have a
bit of stability for the restof the year, and then I think
when we got back, started took abit longer to sort out the
contract for the next couple ofyears.
So that was, yeah, that wasreassuring to have a bit of
security and stability.

Yeah, but we were you proud of yourself,
obviously having known what youwhere you'd come from and having
reached the pinnacle, gone backdown to you know, the op where
people say maybe should get ayou know, we can get you
enrolled in this businessprogramme or whatever, and
you're like, no, I'm back ofmyself.

Like that's that's huge.
Yeah, definitely.
I think um like at the end ofthe season, like total rugby
season one today, I've sort ofreflected a bit more.
Probably didn't want to do toomuch of that whilst sort of like
running a marathon, right?
Like sort of reflect on howyou've been going and sort of
what's what's ahead.
Keep running, so yeah, justkeep running.

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But I think you know what I'veachieved in my rugby career, you
know, is well and good, and I'mproud of that, but it's
probably I take more pride inhow I achieved it and what I'd
do to get there.
Does that make sense?
Like I paid 76 super rugbycaps, I think, which is one
test, 20 minutes.

(24:45):
This podcast will go longerthan my test career.

Way longer than mine.

Yeah, but yeah, again, it's it's not what I
achieved, it's how I achievedit, which has given me great
confidence and belief for lifeas well.

I'm a massive believer in that because I think
we believe the goal is thething, and obviously when you're
you know winning a super rugbytitle or you're getting your
20-minute test cap andeveryone's you know clapping,
and you're the man of the momentin for the people that care
about you, but then the next daylife goes on.
And I I I realize that peoplesaid when the 58 marathons

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happened, they're like, You'regonna have a come down, mate.
I was like, No, I'm not,because this does not define me,
this is a stepping stone, and Iknow tomorrow I'm still a
husband, I've still got otherthings to do.
And I love chasing a goal, andyou know, some are there are
clear winners and losers,whether you're you're racing or
playing rugby, or there areoutcomes, but it's more about

(25:45):
who you become in that processbecause as you said, it's like
when you do something that youdidn't think was possible
initially and you've now doneit, it completely changes how
you see yourself, how you seethe world.
Even now for me, like off theback of the 58, I don't care
about the 58, but fuck I'm a lotmore confident in what I can
achieve and what I believepeople are capable of as well.

Yeah, definitely.
And I think sometimes people,you know, maybe you and I
reflect on what they'veachieved, but others don't, and
they probably should.
Definitely what have youalready overcome in life that
should give you confidence inwhat you're about to take on.

Definitely.
I think it's stacking evidence,right?
We we we we we highlight thenegative things, the where we've
messed up, the mistakes wemade.
We dwell on that, like peopledwell on that shit all the time,
and we just stack these pillarsunder uh negative belief.
But we've also everyone's donecool stuff.
Like you s you go to the puband have a yarn with someone,

(26:44):
and they'll start telling you astory like, Why is this not
being on a podcast?
This is unreal.
Like, I see it happen all thetime, and they're like, Oh yeah,
it is actually a pretty coolstory.
I'm like, I've neverexperienced anything like that.
Take me, pig and or whatever,whatever it is, right?
And that's I think we oftentake for granted because we're
comparing, and I do believethere's benefit in comparison.

(27:05):
I'd love to hear your thoughtson it as well.
But comparison, we often do itin a light where it's like, oh,
we haven't done enough, we'renot good enough, we aren't
enough, as opposed to going, youknow, Bo's done this and he's
done it the hard way.
How can I learn some thingsfrom him to help pull me forward
to that next level of myself?
Has comparison been a big partin your life, played a big role

(27:26):
in your life?
No, not really.
Damn it, conversation dad.

No, and I'll tell you again, I think uh much more
conscious of that sort of stuffnow, right?
Again, with the journal, youknow, the personal development
stuff I've done, you know, anduh particularly after studying
the advanced diploma ofneuroscience, like that was like
it really made me moreconscious and like wow, this is

(27:52):
amazing.
I think you touched on itthere, like I don't compare, I
observe right what's workingover there, and do I want to
incorporate and implement that?
But I everyone knowscomparisons, they should.
No, it's dangerous.
And again, why are you doingit?

(28:13):
You're not fine enough, I'mgonna say happiness or
fulfillment in your own lifewith what you've got.
I don't know.
But maybe maybe that's just mypersonal perspective based on my
journey.

Yeah, it almost I'm just thinking out loud here,
but do you think in a way itcould almost remove a sense of
responsibility from your ownlife where it's if I'm not
comparing myself to myself,meaning what did I do yesterday
and reflect on like how could Iimprove those actions or
behaviors or outcomes, it's easyto compare myself to Bo because

(28:50):
then I can say, Oh Bo's Bo andI'm not Bo, so therefore I can't
do it.
I don't know whether that madesense, but Yeah, it it it it
does.
I I just think if I'm havingand I I I always want to be
respectful to people because Iunderstand that people are
everyone's in a different seasonof life and has different

(29:12):
experiences, but when people saythings like I don't know or
that's not possible, or theycan't seem to at least explore a
solution.
To me, I'm just thinking likeyou that limitation that you've
got there, the very fact thatyou aren't at least exploring
options is gonna be the reasonwhy nothing changes for you.
Yeah.

(29:33):
As opposed to knowing that youknow we can pick up any book,
listen to any podcast, chat toany person, and there's gonna be
probably one thing we can learnfrom them that will improve our
life.
Yeah, definitely.
And all we need to then do isgo, well, these are the things
that are currently holding meback, whether it's the fact that
I don't understand how to nameand navigate my emotions,

(29:55):
whether it's my financialposition, whether it's I don't
know what I want to do for thenext chapter of my life, like
cool, that's real.
As you said, like simplify it,that's my reality.
Awesome.
Yeah.
But what could be the potentialthings that I could do about it
to get myself in a positionthat maybe I want to be in?

Yeah.
It's in it when you talk aboutthat financial position, I think
that is like there are peoplegenuinely struggling, right, to
put food on the table.
But I think the comparisonthing for the majority of
people, right, is that they theyare that's that's a massive
downfall of theirs.

(30:31):
They compare like, oh, I'll behappier when I'm making that
money, or that person's got themoney.
Like, you can't fucking findhappiness with the financial
situation you're in, you're insome strife.

Yeah.

Like that if you think that's gonna help, because
I've seen people are making aheap of money, and they still,
you know, live from paycheck topaycheck.
Yeah, yeah, the old um goldenhandcuffs with the FIFO workers,
right?
Oh, when I make this, you keepspending it.
Yeah, your lifestyle inflates.
Yeah, you you you know youthink you're chasing happiness,

(31:03):
but you don't know what thatlooks like.

How did you find happiness?

Well, what makes you happy, isn't it?
Just what brings you happiness.
It's you know, playing rugby,being surrounded by people.
You know, for me it's it's verymuch about connection.
Yeah.
With good humans, goodexperiences, right?
Like, you know, that's I'm nota materialistic person.
Some would say tired.

I was listening to a video from your from your
mates in the group chat.
Yeah.
And you you you've gone, ohyeah, one of the boys, I'll I'll
butcher this story, but Ithought it was hilarious.
One of your mates has said, Oh,should I get an audio book or
something?
And you're like, I think it'sdirected at me, so I chimed in.
I'm like, yeah, definitelygreat investment.
And all the boys are baffledbecause you're such a tight

(31:50):
bastard.
They're like, why would youspend 12 bucks on that?

Oh man.
Yeah, but uh like yeah, I wouldprobably say I'm tighter
personally than professionally,right?
I don't need much.
Like I I'm uh, you know, giveme four beers on a Friday night
and barbecue on the back of thedeck or going camping.
Like, I'm happy.
Yeah.
Like I am literally happy,right?
Like I don't and I don'tnecessarily need to put that up

(32:16):
to see you know, if that's notother people's definition of
happiness, that's fine.
Don't bother me.

Speaker 1 (32:21):
Yeah.

Um, but I I I invested a heap of money in
myself and training anddevelopment because I love it.
Yeah.
And I want to be the best thatI can be in every aspect of my
life, personally andprofessionally.
So like, yeah, the bestinvestment is always in
yourself.
Definitely money and time.

I think and for people to understand why it's so
important, because if we havequestions that maybe we are
afraid to answer or don't knowhow to answer, or anything like
that, like that's where you getthe you essentially get your
hand held.
Like I had my hand held foryears trying to figure things
out.

I still get my hand held.
Yeah, I love it.
Like I rolled up to aconference there the other day,
last week it was, by Robinson.
Have you registered?
I thought I had.
Well, I hoped I had.
I was like, I I put a commentin the group saying I was
coming, and she's like, Did youclick through the link to

(33:17):
actually register?
I was like, probably not, butit's answered this.
And she's laughing.
I was like, only one of us issurprised by this, I can assure
you.
I rock up to a flight on theright day at the right time with
my baggage through a week.
Because you'd be surprised howmany times I've rocked up to my
hotel.
Like, I'm checking in, they'relike, You booked it for next

(33:39):
month.
Of course I did.
Yeah, good.
I'll just take the sofa.
Well, it's a gonna cost metonight, bro.
It's an extra $400, of courseit is.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tax on that, bloody hell.
Yeah, yeah.
But I I think that's importantthough, and to me, it probably
circles back to that wholekeeping up with the Joneses.
I've asked a number of like Ihad literally had a client, it's
cool we're talking about this.
Obviously, spending the daywith clients yesterday, talking
to him about things.
One guy's loaded, like eight,multiple eight figures, and

(34:12):
we're talking about his goalsfor the year, and then he's
like, What's your goals for theyear?
I told him, you know, a coupleof them, he's like, I just want
that.
That to me is like a greatlife.
And I'm very fortunate, I'mvery similar to you.
Everything you said, like keepit simple as possible.
I think the more we own, themore things have control over us
and our emotions.
I'm a very simple dude, butinvest in my business because I

(34:33):
love it, and then like sport andyou know, being outdoors
loving.
And I looked at that and I'mlike, he's he's like, Money's
never made me any happier.
It's literally just created abit of a cage around my life.
And for me, like I've even gota huge wait list for work.
And I could take that and itwould make me awesome with the

(34:54):
with the money, but then I'dhave to sacrifice all the other
things that actually matter.
And I I just think about it alot, and I'd love to hear your
thoughts on this, but there's somuch information and there's so
much data out there that whenwe get towards the end of our
life, or even for young peoplewho unfortunately you know, we

(35:15):
could probably even say yourbrother, like we don't know when
it's gone.
No, and we're not gonna sitthere and talk about how much
money we made or how many hourswe worked in the office.
It's like the four beers youshare with a mate camping in
Geroin or whatever it may be.
I I went there recently, so butbut you these these stories and
these experiences, and I I Iguess I get conflicted because

(35:38):
when I'm in Brisbane, I dosacrifice a lot of that because
I'm like, Oh, I've got to workharder.
And that that for me, I guess,is it pulls me away and I feel
fucking horrible until the pointwhere I'm like, mate, you you
haven't been doing the thingsyou want to do.
You're getting caught up inthis smoke and mirrors bullshit
that doesn't actually matter toyou.

Yeah.
And I'm probably the same asyou where I've done leadership
coaching, you know, I've workedwith some of Australia's largest
agricultural companies, right?
And you when you're doing theone-to-one coaching, you get
like vulnerability.
You're like, this person isnowhere near as happy or as
confident as they should be.

(36:19):
Like, why?
What you know, what are youlooking for?
Do you even know what successor happiness looks like?
I think a lot of people aredriven by insecurity and
external validation, that'sactually their driver.
Again, based on my observationsand experience, and you know,
done plenty of the coaching thatyou like, you do get the
insights, and people, you know,people ask me, well, why are you

(36:44):
so happy and confident?
I'm not trying to impressanyone.
Like, I don't give a fuck whatyou think.
And I don't need much.
Because again, you know, again,making this money and and this
lifestyle, is it genuinelybringing you happiness or is it
to show that you are perceivedto be successful?
Now, again, what is yourdefinition of successful?

(37:05):
That's objective, but I'm notworried about what anyone else's
definition of successful is.
But I want to make this quiteclear.
Like, I am happy.
I think you know, it might beanother video, like I talk about
my life has been amazing and isamazing, but shit, it's not
perfect.

Yeah, I've got plenty going on.
Yeah, that was an awesome.
Can you expand on that?
Like that video was Unrealwhere the chick messaged you.
I think it was a chick orsomeone messaged you and said,
Man, your life looks amazing.
Because you're always trap liketravel, you love what you do,
right?
You're traveling and things aregoing on, but then there's like
another video where you're outin the bush at this beautiful
farm.
I don't know who's I think itwas a actually I watched too

(37:42):
much of your stuff, but you'reat a uh what's it a baby shower?

A baby shower.

Your dad's like, Bo, men don't go to baby
showers.
You're like, I think they do.
It was your dad, old boy'snamed Larry.
Is it yeah?
I think they do in this day oftime and age.

Yeah, 39 sing-year-old single male going
a baby shower.
It's like, oh well, like theygo to those.
I was like, they do in this dayand age, Larry.
What?
I've never been one, I'm notsurprised by that.
Yeah, uh, but again, I supposethat's where society's at.

And yeah, it was actually a good day.
Yeah, they always I got myfirst baby shower, which is
actually my baby shower, whichdad's like, uh, our bloke's
going.
I was like, Yeah, I think it'slike a thing, and then I'm
going, I'm like, cool, just havesome beers and whatnot.
But yeah, going back to yourlife looks perfect, as as people

(38:40):
say, Yeah, so you you love yourlife, but it's not fucking
perfect.

Nah, yeah, I I do, right?
Like, I'm so grateful for youknow everything that I've been
through in life, the good andthe bad.
You know, even with my brotherpassing, I choose to look at
that as a positive.
And and mine's a little bitdifferent, right?
Like, I I've lived in fivecountries.
I've you know played for mycountry, I've won a super rugby

(39:04):
title.
So I I know uh there will besome going, oh well, you know,
if I had that life too, minewould be amazing.
But even now, like you know,it's the simple things in life
that I feel as though my life isamazing right now.
It's far from perfect.
I've got plenty of shit goingon.

(39:24):
Probably outside of myself, ifthat makes sense.
Yep.
Because I work pretty hard onmyself and and a lot of people,
again, you know, why I so happyand and you know confident
again, I I'm not driven by uhother people and their
perspectives andopinions, 'cause the people that
I whose va opinions I value,like you know, hopefully think

(39:48):
highly of me 'cause I they talkto me and they want to catch up
with me.
And then we enjoy catching up.
So Yeah, i as I said, I've gotplenty going on and Uh you know,
it's probably a beer and a winething more so than that and
podcast with some of the stages,but oh god, how much money have
I spent on bloody lawyers, I'llput it that way.

Yeah, yeah.
Well even it sort of drove youto a point, we don't need to go
into the we'll save that forbeers and wines, but 2023 was a
big year for you, like tough,tough year for you.
And you know, I know you put avideo up on Friday about that
young fella who took his life,which is as you said, it's
becoming way too common.
It's it's so fucking sad.

(40:30):
And you were then talking abouta time in your life where you
were going through a heap ofshit, and you and this is this
is it was great for me to watchbecause from the outside looking
in, like you're a tough bloke,right?
You've achieved the pinnacle insport, and in a sport which is
tough, and then you have thecourage to and the know-how,

(40:52):
like the I guess the awarenessto start saying, Hey, I'm not
okay.
Like, I need to talk to peoplein my life and let them know
that I'm not okay.
Like, what was that processlike for you?

Again, pretty simple, right?
I try to simplify that to like2023.
I was you know, I was workingwith some of Australia's largest
companies and doing prettywell, too.
Don't get me wrong.
Making good money, but I wasn'thappy, yeah.
Like I love the training, likelove leadership coaching, love
going and facilitating stuff,love it.
But when I wrote my book backin 2018-2019, as I was writing

(41:28):
that, I realised, you know, Iwas talking about my journey to
go and dubbo, and so I did horseriding up in the Northern
Territory, and then I quicklygave away the horse riding to
get into team sports, and Inever got into individual sports
because I loved team sports,and so working as a consultant
doing leadership coaching, I wasworking by myself and I'm like,
I'm a team person, like I I Ineed to go and find a business,

(41:51):
I need to be surrounded bypeople.
Um, as I said, like I and moneywas an issue, it was you know
unbelievable.
Anyway, I won't talk aboutthat, but yeah, like it was
good, but I wasn't, I just hatedbeing in the office by myself.
So I was like, I've got to go,and I was going through a
divorce, I was you know, tryingto get court orders to have more

(42:15):
certainty with seeing mychildren, and then there's the
financial situation in terms ofgoing through that bloody legal
cost going through the roof.
Um, I had a house, so I knowone house, then I had a house
that I built next to it thatcouldn't sell for 11 months.
And that was when the interestrates were going up.
You know, then I I'd moved outof the house, I was paying rent

(42:37):
at another place, and then I waspaying the full mortgage on the
other place with no incomecoming in on that one, right
between the lines there.
It was wild.
And I was like, far out, youknow, there's so much going on
personally and professionally.
And so uh you know, I said tomy mum, I said, mate, like I am
struggling.
I said, I need you to keep aneye on me because I think I
think you see a lot of thevideos, my professor Scott

(43:00):
Galloway, like you know, talksabout like you know, men get so
lonely when they get out ofbecause you don't have your
kids, you're working byyourself, you don't have a
girlfriend or a partner, andmost of your mates, like you
don't want to take them awayfrom their quality time with
their family.
Yeah, right.
So like you don't almost wantto feel like a burden.
No, no, and interestinglyenough, I don't know, like the

(43:21):
studies show that women areactually better at connecting
when they're going through thatthan men, sort of thing.
So you you find yourself quiteisolated, and you know, I used
to go over to their placeregularly on a Sunday night just
so I could feel as though I wasin a family environment, you
know, to have dinner.
Told mum I was struggling, tolddad I was struggling, and poor
bastard.
Uh uh not that I knew much toget out of him.

(43:50):
I think at that stage I mighthave been off the drink.
I was very mindful of how muchI drank, right?
Very conscious of that.
And went and saw two cosolers.
One was in Brizzy via Zoom, whowas a high performance, you
know, had any experience withnational teams and and winning.
And I was like, you know, haveI lost my mentality and mindset
around high performance?
And then the other one wasactually my former uh boarding

(44:13):
master at my boarding schoolwho'd went and studied
psychology after that, who Iprobably didn't see eye to eye
with when I was at school to behonest.
But well, I wasn't exactly arole model boarding student.
No, I can't.

Could have seen you would have been a little bit
of fucking trouble.

Yeah, the principal knew my name and and
saw him, and that was probablybecause he had more of a context
around you know m my personaland family situation sort of
thing.
So I didn't, you know, wedidn't see our eye, but I
totally respected him and reallyappreciated the fact that you
know his role was to instillboundaries and my role was to

(44:56):
push them and but and get alongwith him really well, like you
know, we'll catch up with himoccasionally for a beer now.
Awesome, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Really, really good man.
And you know, both of them werejust like, You you're doing all
the work, like you you and youknow this is a point-in-time
thing, you've already identifiedthat.
So the Brizzy psychologist onlysaw it twice.

(45:19):
He said that from me firstthing, he's like, I don't even
know if you need a second one,to be honest.
He goes, You know that you'redoing everything, and you know
at this point in time andthere's things that are out of
your control.
He said, But you want to checkin?
I said, Yep, we'll check in ina month's time then.
And we had the second one, he'slike, you know, again, this
stuff's out of your control, andyou know that you're doing
everything.
And the other one was the same,too.

Yeah, right.
But it's good that you wereable to do that.
I think that's such a for me.
I would find it not so muchnow, but even maybe to my mum
and dad, like to tell them ifI'm struggling, because uh
there's this idea in my headthat I especially working in the
space, I feel like there'salmost like where you you do
help other people, you feel likeyou have to have it together,
but I know that's not the case.

(46:00):
I'm always battling stuff,you've just shared your battling
stuff, and that's life.
But to be able to, I'vedefinitely got people where I
can say, Hey, fucking not in thebest frame of mind, and I see a
psych every month literallyjust for a check-in.
I always when it comes to thatappointment, I'm like, fuck, do
I need to go here?
And then I always walk awaygoing, Oh, that was that was

(46:20):
worthwhile.
Yep.
But for for people out there,like, if you don't feel like you
can confide in someone or cando that, like that's that to me
is like a limitation that Iwould go, okay.
Well, what would it look likefor you to have those
relationships?
Because men are lonely, likethe stats are showing three and
four men don't have a closemate.

(46:41):
Like, that's insane.
Yeah, we're yeah, it's fuckingmind-blowing.
Jeez, and so and it's and it'snot so much like the loneliness
comes from the fact that we canbe around people, but we still
don't feel valued, seen, andheard.
And there's two ways of lookingat that, why I think the first
one is that we're always wearinga mask in situations because of
the comparison and the fear ofjudgment that we're not allowing

(47:02):
people to see who we are.
So it's like, well, how willanyone ever make you feel
valued, seen, and heard ifyou're not allowing them to?
So that's inner work.
The second thing is that we'rejust not around the right
people, we don't have the tools.
Like as you said a moment ago,women are incredible
communicators, and there's a lotto be learned from them.
Most men aren't like I don'tknow whether you've ever

(47:22):
experienced it or spoken to abloke, as I just don't know how
to say what I feel or what I'mtrying to say.
And therefore that that shutsdown, and that's why men either
get they snap, they get angry,or they just shut down.
Yep.
And I've been that bloke aswell.
I used to every second word wasa swear word because I didn't
know the rest of the sentence.
And I was like, that'll that'llread between the lines.

(47:43):
Yeah, yeah.
Then I started realizing, oh,well, you can actually, you
know, for me, writing yourthoughts slowed down.
If I couldn't write a sentenceabout things, then I'm like,
okay, well, that's the issue.
I just don't understand it.
And it's hard for people tothen know who I am or what I'm
experiencing if I don't know itfor myself.
And that was a a big thing.
So I think for individualsthere, it's like identify those

(48:04):
limitations, and that's wherethe work that you're doing, the
work that I'm doing, whetherit's with personally or
professionally, is so importantbecause we can just help
highlight those blind spots,right?

Yeah, here's one for you, all right?
Because often, uh especiallyworking in families and whatnot,
okay.
Oh, they're emotionless.
Okay, here's a question for youAre they emotionless or
expressionless?

unknown (48:29):
Right?

I've never heard that in my life, right?

What they're feeling, because they're very
likely to be feeling stuff,right?
Yeah.
If they're not, they're youknow, some real struggles, but
they don't feel as though theycan express that or put that in
words, as you said.

Dude, you've just nailed that, emotionless or
expressionless.

Yeah, and then I think this is with every person,
right?
That they but this is how Iwant to communicate.
Yep, that's great, but it's notabout you, other people
communicate differently.
So how you want to is notnecessarily how other people
want to back.
And if you realise that, thequicker you realise that it'll

(49:08):
be a game changer.
Because often in thebreakdowns, it's miscommunic a
misunderstanding throughmiscommunication, right?
So let's say, for example, youknow, women you're saying like
they're good communicators, yep,but they're also wanting
generally their husbands ortheir partners to communicate
how they think people should becommunicating, right?

(49:30):
Correct.
And it's understanding that'snot how they do communicate.
Then ideally you get peopleboth have a self-awareness
around how they prefer tocommunicate, how others
communicate.
But the majority of people arefar off that.
But that's why I love you knowgetting in doing the disc
profiling as a big eye opener oryou know, facilitating that,

(49:51):
like how do people want to becommunicated too?
And everyone's then got toadjust.

Do you would you say communication's one of the
most important skills to developprobably the most?
Yeah, I I agree.
I think it's always like howyou use your voice, how you
Actually maybe listening.
Okay, so listening wouldactually I'm just butchering

(50:23):
that.
I was gonna say is literallylistening could almost be a form
of communication though,because it's it's like f for for
you you listen really well,right?
And I talk over the top of youall the time.
No, but like you the way thatyou conduct yourself and the
vulnerab like the littlesprinkles of vulnerability then
make me feel comfortable aroundyou to know that you're
listening and then I can speakmore.

(50:44):
Whereas there's some people whomight be listening to a degree,
but they still have the quickjudgment afterwards with the the
next words that they choose.

Do you think that happens?
Because that then that soyou've got to listen, right?
You can be an effectivelistener, and like again, your
definition of communication,just just clarify those listen
at home, just because you talk alot doesn't mean you're a good
communicator.
Right.
Let's get that right.
But uh in order to be able tocommunicate, you first need to

(51:15):
listen and take in what theother person is saying.
Correct.
Okay.
And you can be more effectivewith less words.
Yeah.
So I think from and I see it inthe I there'll be two people
arguing.
I was like, Do you understandthat you're arguing about two
different things?

Yeah.

Like you're actually arguing or they're
actually arguing, but they'reactually on the same page.
I'm like, j just just stop justto clarify, you're saying this,
have I heard that correctly?
Yes.
And you're saying this, yes.
The reason that you haven'tworked that out, it's the same
thing, is because you're notlistening.
So the quicker someone shootsback with a response, the the

(52:00):
less time they've given tothink.
So when people actually, youknow, if they shoot back
straight away, they've notlistened, or they're not trying
to listen to understand, andthen you become an effective
communicator by asking furtherquestions.
Because I did a session onTuesday about collaborative
communication, right?
And it was I was like, right,give me one of the biggest

(52:21):
issues that we've got in thiscompany, right, business.
And this is the issue.
It is very, very rarely thatthe first thing is said is the
actual issue.
So you've got to break thatdown.
Why is that the issue?
Then why is that the issue?
Then why is that the issue?
You come full circle around,and then it'd be like, huh,
okay.
Well, and it took a couple ofhours, right?

(52:43):
Would we agree that this issomething that ticks everyone's
needs in terms of what they'reneeding as a team, and we could
move forward on this or at leasttrial it.
Yes.
But if you say, you know,what's the issue, and we could
even think of an example, I youknow, no, that's not going to
work.
Why?
And very rarely will be thefirst response.

That's interesting.
I think yeah.
People just lead with what theyfeel comfortable saying, and
then you have to dig a littlebit deeper to get to the core
issue.

Yeah, they they don't even necessarily know
themselves.
Right?
They think that's the issue.

Could do something else.
Do you feel people could dothat themselves if they were to
say, for example, write it downon paper and then ask them like
why is that the issue, or do youfeel it's better facilitated
generally?

Or most definitely better facilitated
because you're not coming inwith preconceived you know,
relationships and ideas.
Yep.
Writing it up, and I did it,right?
It was writing it up on thewall, right?
And this is again some of theteaching I've yeah, been exposed
to.
When you put it up on the wall,right, it takes it away from

(53:56):
being back and forth.
So everyone's looking at thewall, and when we've got this
approach that we're all tryingto work out the same common
goal, and I love that.
Yeah, it's not the back andforth, right?
I fucking love that.
Yeah, so that you know, whenyou see and cross the table,
it's bang bang, then it's like atennis match back and forth,
but that's not the goal.
It's gotta work out what theyou know.

(54:17):
I see this in my personalrelationships too, right?
But if people don't want tothey're not open to Yeah, the
problem's not always theproblem, as I said.
What they say is not theproblem.
I can think of a really goodexample, but I won't probably
share it on this one.

(54:37):
Yep.
Yeah.

unknown (54:39):
Fuck.

I love it.
Well mate, I reckon next yearwe're gonna do a couple.
I think I what I would love toask the audience if there's
things that you'd love to diveinto more, because I think
you're a brilliant thinker andyou I don't know about that.
No, well I I think that wyou've been through a lot and
you have a lot of you work witha lot of people, so you've got

(55:02):
great insights and perspectives.
You're brilliant at simplifyingcomplex things.
And I I for me I love listeningto you talk because then I'm
taking all these notes of thingsthat I've not really understood
well, and now I'm like, oh,that was well said, very simple
for me to understand, and nowvery it feels a lot more
manageable for me to execute inmy own life, and I love that,

(55:25):
and I think most people do aswell.
But I think questions or topicsthat Bo and I could chat about
next year, even if we did one ortwo more next year, and we got
some questions from people, orobviously we'll you and I will
be going through life as well,so there'll be things on our
mind.
Where can people find you andfollow you?
So if people want to do somework with you, or just even
watch your your Friday yarns,where do people head to?

(55:48):
At the airport.

I walk bump into so many people at the airport.
No, I'm um pretty yeah, do somestuff on LinkedIn and then
Instagram, you know, justhearing my thoughts or
expressing my thoughts, and Ithink that you know that's it's
amazing.
The same as you, I think youput up posts there earlier
today, like just how much evenpeople that aren't necessarily
your clients take away from itbecause you're expressing what a

(56:15):
lot of people are thinking,right?
Like they're feeling they'relike, oh, and again, you you
simplify that's one of the youknow, people say to me, Oh, you
dumb it down.
No, I simplify it because thebrain wants that in for
everyone, it wants to besimplified so it can understand.
I think even with people'sproblems, they're like, Oh, this
is a problem.
I go, okay, it sounds like thesize of a beach ball.

(56:35):
What exactly is the problem?
Be as specific as you can withme, or everyone.
Who what do you mean everyone?
Everyone.
It's not everyone.
Who?
Who is you know, whatevercausing you.
Oh, right, so that's therelationship we've got to work
on.
Yep.
Right?
And it's net it's it and it'sdangerous, right?

(56:56):
Because I journal every night.
Yep.
Or but every night, you know,and it's getting clear on what
is the actual issue.
Don't make it out to be biggerthan Ben Ho.
Because honestly, you just goaround your head, and if you're
not clear on what the issue is,you're not going to be able to
work out a solution or steps toaddress it.

Yep.
Very my opinion.
I agree.
I agree with your opinion.
Mate, thank you so much forcoming on.
It's been a been a pleasure.
I'm glad we finally got to makethis happen.
Yeah, apologies.
No, no, no.
It's it's been me.
And uh next time I won't be inthis office next year, thank
goodness.
It's been a been a good littleroadshow, but you're talking

(57:32):
about doing it at differentsettings.

Was Felons an option?

Yeah.

Brecky Creek?

May Brecky Creek could be an option.
Mate Felons, we found thisbeautiful spot like just behind
Mr.
Percival's.
Amazing backdrop.
Like, have a couple of peoplewalking past as well.
So like I feel like that'sgoing to be what I'm thinking
next year for the pod.
Not that I've got any dates togo on, but is that one that
should be taking someone?

unknown (57:56):
Yes.

But we're thinking way way too far ahead,
mate.
You've got this big goal again,right?
Let's just bring it down to thenext master.
Let's get a match.
You're a weapon, mate.
It's been a pleasure foreveryone following along.
Check the show notes.
You can find all the links forBo.
Mate, Unreal as always.

(58:18):
We'll see you soon.
Look forward to it.

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