March 10, 2025 • 20 mins
Rebecca Gorman shares her journey from struggling with immune system issues to founding Wholly Redefined Counseling and Therapy, where she provides holistic therapeutic approaches that integrate mind, body, and spirit.
• Personal healing journey inspired Rebecca to pursue a master's in marriage and family therapy
• Uses Internal Family Systems therapy to help clients integrate different emotional parts
• Focuses on mind-body connection through techniques like mindfulness and body awareness
• Primarily works with high performers and caregivers who struggle with acknowledging anger
• Believes suppressed emotions can manifest as physical symptoms and autoimmune issues
• Emphasizes the importance of therapists doing their own therapeutic work
• Currently in the "launch phase" of her business after transitioning from marketing background
• Finding the entrepreneur mindset requires shifting from "fitting in" to creating your own systems
• Offers in-person therapy at C3 Fort Worth, virtual sessions, and "walk and talk" therapy
• Available for mentoring future therapists through their licensure journey
Contact Rebecca at whollyredefined.com or email rebeccagtherapist@gmail.com for counseling services or mentoring opportunities.
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Storie (00:16):
Welcome back to Market it with Atma, where we share the
tips, tools and strategies tohelp your business succeed.
I'm your host, dori, and todaywe have on the show a founder of
Wholly Redefined Counseling andTherapy Rebecca Gorman.
Welcome, rebecca.
Rebecca (00:33):
It's great to be here, Dori.
Thank you for having me.
Storie (00:35):
Awesome.
I'm so excited to have you onthe show because I could
probably talk to you for days.
Can we start, though, withtelling us a little about your
story, how you came to start andbe an entrepreneur and found
your own business, and whatinspired you to found this type
of business?
Rebecca (00:53):
Absolutely Well.
My journey probably began yearsago when I was struggling to
heal from immune system issuesactually, and at that point I
started getting interested inholistic healing and nutrition
and things like that.
And then what happened was Istarted going to therapy myself.
(01:16):
You know, I had never I'd beento like short-term counseling
before.
That was for a specificsituation, but I hadn't done
like long-term, you know,cognitive and personality
restructuring therapy.
That really got to the issuesof some of my patterns in life.
And after having gone throughthat, I then decided that I
(01:40):
wanted to get a master's degreein marriage and family therapy
for myself and I wanted tointegrate that with what I had
already learned about holistichealth and wellbeing, because I
really believe that the body,the mind, the spirit, it's all
so connected and I wanted to beable to provide psychotherapy in
a way that really incorporatesthe whole person.
Storie (02:02):
Wow, that's incredible.
So can you tell me more aboutwhat type of therapy you have at
Holy Redefine or that you offer?
Rebecca (02:08):
Absolutely.
I offer talk therapy and Iincorporate mindfulness,
breathing.
I'm also going to keep in mindespecially internal family
systems.
It's a type of therapy whereyou kind of look at where the
different parts of people arekind of being kept locked up.
(02:30):
A lot of times when people aregoing to therapy, maybe one part
of them is holding all thegrief and the trauma, while
another part of them is holdingall the hope and the joy, and
this is often connected tophysical symptoms that are
manifesting in the body.
And so during the course oftherapy, I'm going to ask a lot
(02:50):
of questions like where are youfeeling that in your body?
Where is that manifesting inyour body?
Or like what is that trying totell you?
And so I give a lot ofintegration, I facilitate a lot
of integration between the bodyand the mind and the emotions,
Almost like kind of what they doin meditation grounding.
Storie (03:13):
I feel like that would ground me.
If you're telling me to focuson the points in my body where
it affected me, which is greatbecause it almost brings you
back here instead of off in yourthoughts, would you agree?
Rebecca (03:24):
Absolutely that's the goal really is for people to be
able to be authentic and presentin who they were made to be.
And often, when we're carryingaround trauma and coping
mechanisms and defensemechanisms, they just keep us
from really showing up in theworld as who we were made to be.
And so the therapy room for meI call it like a holy of holies.
(03:47):
It's a place of shalom peacewhere I really want I want it to
be that centering, groundingspace where people can really
get into a deep conversationwith themselves and meet
themselves.
Storie (04:03):
That's wonderful.
So have you run into anyclients that maybe they don't
know?
They have those portions ofthem that have the anger and you
know, stress and anxiety thatthey came to you for, and how do
you manage walking through thatwith them?
Rebecca (04:20):
That is such a good question.
I would say it's the majorityof us.
We all need a mirror to reflectback to us.
One of my favorite sayings isthat none of us can see clearly
in our own storms, which is whyI really believe you know, every
therapist should have've beenyourself.
You can't take someone to placesthat you've never been, and so
(04:48):
what I often find is it is thehigh performers the people who
come to me are.
Often they are the ones who areleaders and they are always the
ones serving and helping others, and in fact, they often are
just very compassionate andsmiling and things like that.
But I've gotten to where I cansee where there's anger behind
(05:09):
their eyes, and because whathappens is we start thinking
that's not allowed.
We start thinking like well,for me to be a leader, for me to
serve others.
I can't be in touch with my ownanger when people let me down
or when I feel like the buckalways stops here.
I'm always the one picking upthe slack and in my experience,
that often is where is is.
(05:30):
One of the roots of autoimmunedisease, too is when we feel
like the buck always stops withus and we feel like it's always
down to us.
That can result in a lot ofisolation, both within ourselves
and just from other people.
Storie (05:46):
Wow.
You really touch on the factthat your mental state really
does affect your physical state,so being in tune with both of
them is very important.
It seems like right, yes, wow.
So can you tell me how do youstay motivated when helping
others and seeing the pain andthe grief, how do you stay
(06:07):
motivated in what you do and howdo you progress each day in
getting better or stayingpositive?
What inspires you?
Rebecca (06:19):
I think what inspires me is seeing people reach the
goals that they came to therapyto achieve.
I love seeing miracles happenand to me I'm a guide and I'm a
faithful witness, but for meit's the client doing the work,
they're the hero, and I'm therejust to support and guide and
(06:41):
encourage them.
And so seeing those resultshappen it brings me so much joy,
especially when people not onlydo they resolve patterns in
their own lives, but they beginto see their constellation of
relationships change as well.
Even if none of their familymembers or coworkers or whoever
(07:03):
they've had difficulty with,even if none of them go to
therapy.
When the client does the work,it's incredible to see how all
their relationships transform inways that are beneficial to
them.
Storie (07:14):
I love that.
So it's almost like you can seewhether it be good or bad in
others what you wish you hadknown and you can accept it.
I know when I went to therapyin the past.
Just having that acceptance ofknowing where other people are
that you've grown from throughtherapy is almost like a calming
like I understand where you'vegrown from through therapy is
almost like a calming like Iunderstand where you're coming
(07:36):
from and you.
You probably need help.
But that's not for you to say,it's just the understanding that
gives.
Rebecca (07:41):
Gives you some peace when you say that you found that
in your clients and having thatunderstanding helps them
absolutely understanding andacceptance are huge, especially
accepting the parts of ourselvesthat we've disowned.
Like.
We all have parts of ourselvesthat are selfish, that are
controlling, that are furious,you know, and so often actually
(08:04):
what we call mental illness, itoften comes from rejecting parts
of ourselves that actually weneed to have conversation with
and accept them unconditionallyand love them and then, once
they're accepted and seen forwhat they are and not shamed and
not disowned, they can actuallybe integrated with the true
self and actually brought underthe awareness and control of the
(08:28):
person's true self, who, I'mconvinced, is loving and
beautiful and courageous and allthe things that we want to be.
Storie (08:36):
That's awesome.
So is that kind of why youtouched on the point of how
therapists should should also gothrough therapy?
Would you say that, even for atherapist psychopath, any type
of person giving counseling toothers should continue their
journey in therapy as wellthroughout their lifetime?
Rebecca (08:53):
I definitely believe so .
And that may look different foreach person, but I just think
doing our own work is huge,especially if we are walking
beside others who are doingtheir own work and walking
through really difficult things,so that we don't
unintentionally start to lean,lean on them and unhealthy ways
or you know things like that.
(09:14):
We need to make absolutely surethat we're taking care of our
soul and spirit and that we aretaking really good care of
ourselves, and I think I thinktherapy is a way to care for
ourselves.
I think it's a great example ofself-care and self-love.
Storie (09:26):
That's awesome.
So have you had any mentorsthrough your journey and being
an entrepreneur or a therapistthat you really look towards for
guidance and would you sayhaving a mentor, especially in
your industry, is important?
Rebecca (09:40):
Absolutely.
I have benefited from someincredible mentors in my life,
and one mentor that I have isJay Arsment, and she's the
leader of Rest Yourself FamilyMinistries, and she, uh, she's a
multiple business owner, but,like, what's really cool is just
to see how she stops for theone, she stops for the person.
(10:03):
And it's not about even thoughshe's this very successful
business owner.
It's never about you know, whatcan I get from you.
It's always about what, whatcan I offer, what value can I
give?
And and she can look at a womanwho is is at the lowest point
of her life, maybe she's youknow, recently homeless, maybe
(10:26):
she's coming from a domesticviolence situation, and she will
look at that person with as,with the same worth as someone
who's, like you know, a moverand shaker in Dallas or
something, and so I love havingpeople like that in my life,
because that that's the kind ofleader that that I aspire to be
right.
Storie (10:44):
I would hope every male or female would inspire, aspire
to be just like that, to to notcast that judgment, which is a
beautiful thing.
That's awesome.
So what advice would you giveto, say, people wanting to
actually go to school for whatyou've gone to school for for
therapy, psychotherapy, any ofthose?
(11:05):
And what was something you wishyou had known prior to starting
your own business?
Rebecca (11:13):
That is such a great question.
First of all, I want to say tosomeone who's entering the
profession as a counselor or atherapist it is a long journey
and just not to get discouraged.
I also would encourage thatperson, if they've never been to
therapy themselves, definitelyto do their own work and you
know, I'm grateful that theprogram I enrolled in at the
(11:35):
King's University.
One thing that I felt made itstand apart was that we, as we
learn different therapy concepts, we practice them on ourselves
first.
We applied them to ourselves.
I'd never had blackboardassignments like what I had at
the King's University, whichwere often asking very personal
(11:55):
questions and they were askingus to be vulnerable in front of
our classmates because we werebasically applying what we were
learning to ourselves first.
But I'm grateful that they didthat because they were like
we're going to make sure youdon't graduate from this program
without knowing what it's liketo you know be receiving therapy
.
Storie (12:14):
So, in addition to you mentioned having a mentor and
your how important your mentorwas to you, Are you looking to
mentor in the future or is thatsomething that you want to help
other therapists or counselorskind of walk through so that you
can guide them down that pathwithout the road bumps that you
may have encountered?
Rebecca (12:34):
Yes, absolutely.
Especially for licensedprofessional counselor
associates or LMFT associates.
It can be a long journey tofull licensure and I think that
there is so much that you as aperson have to bring to the
table and I'm convinced I mean Iknow wonderful psychologists
(12:59):
and LPCs and life coaches andthings like that and I really
think that the most valuablething you bring is yourself,
like the credentials, thetraining that's absolutely
important.
We all want to be lifelonglearners.
I intend to be a lifelonglearner the whole time that I'm
a therapist and just continuedeveloping my skills.
But I think that you and yourjourney, and especially you
(13:23):
having done your own deephealing work, is the most
valuable thing you bring to yourclient.
And I think at the beginning,when you're starting your own
business and you're you'vegraduated and you're trying to
get off the ground and getclients, it can sometimes feel
like the whole world is sayingyou're not good enough, you
don't have what it takes.
Even after doing all that workto require the hours through
(13:46):
your practicum, internship andto get that master's degree, you
still don't have what it takes.
That's often what it feels likethe world is saying, and so I
would just want to encouragethem that they do.
There's a reason that they werecalled to this field and they
do have something valuable andirreplaceable to bring to the
table.
Storie (14:04):
That's wonderful.
It's wonderful that you'reoffering to help walk people
through it as well, becausethat's almost invaluable to some
to be able to watch and beguided by someone as
inspirational as you are you.
Actually, we talked about in aprevious meeting we had how
Advent Trinity kind of uses thebuild launch, grow scale
(14:25):
methodology.
Where would you say you are inthat build launch, grow scale
phase, especially because youactually came from a marketing
background, didn't you?
I did Awesome.
Can you tell me where you arein that build launch, grow scale
phase and how your marketingbackground has impacted you in
(14:47):
whatever phase you're in rightnow?
Rebecca (14:49):
I would say I'm definitely in the launch phase I
was building while I wasfinishing my master's degree,
you know, getting the PLLC,launching my website, trying to
apply what I had learned in themarketing profession to my own
business, which I will say forthose of you out there, it is
(15:11):
very different doing it foryourself than doing it for
somebody else.
It's a whole mindset shiftbecause and really it's an
opportunity for further, youknow, therapy work on yourself,
because it is often so mucheasier to promote what somebody
else is doing than to believe inourselves and our gifts and
what we're doing, which is wheresomething an organization like
(15:33):
Atma can be really, reallyhelpful to help you grow your
business.
I think that, with thelaunching phase that I'm in now,
it's definitely a matter offinding my ideal clients and
building just those trustingbusiness relationships where we
can refer people to each otherand practicing really telling
(15:58):
people who my ideal client isand who they would want to refer
to me, and how we can really behelpful to each other.
It's really been quite anadventure because, having come
from working, you know, as anemployee or a manager in an
organization for a long time,it's exciting and also very a
(16:20):
little scary and challenging toenter, that entrepreneur mindset
so story I was telling you.
I feel like I'm needing to gofrom an A student mindset to a B
to a C student mindset, andwhat I mean by that is, you know
, I feel like for years I'vebeen really good at fitting into
other people's systems and nowI feel like I'm actually needing
(16:42):
to ask myself what?
What system do I want to create?
What do I want to build Like?
Now that I'm launching this,what do I want it to look like?
Storie (16:52):
And that is just a whole , a whole new world for me, with
the marketing backgroundintertwined in that, and it's
still almost daunting notdaunting, but what's the word
I'm looking for?
Scary the word you mentioned isscary to walk that path even
with your knowledge of it.
(17:13):
So having somebody, especiallythis day and age where it's so
digital, now everything changesfrom day to day I feel like I
need to come see you after this.
Just grounding yourself withsomeone who can bring you back
down is amazing.
But I agree, I never was ableto market myself or my husband's
(17:36):
business the way somebody elsecould.
I had to go to somebody elseand now that I work for a
marketing company all the time Isay I can see how to help you,
but you're going to have to tellme how to help me if I'm going
to go and look for it.
And I feel like it's the samewith what you're doing.
It's, there's so much intricatedetail you have in your mind to
(17:56):
share, um, but it's easier totell someone and have them
reframe it, would you say.
Rebecca (18:02):
Yes, that's spot on.
I love that relationship youbrought out between therapy and
marketing.
It's so true and often that'swhat I do.
Like clients might feel likeI'm reading their mind and I'm
not.
I'm actually just reflectingback what they said to me that
they did not realize.
Storie (18:16):
They said yes, it's almost a form of therapy, I
guess, for marketers and aslight bit of counseling there
too Well.
Can you tell me if someonewants to come and use you as
their therapist or counselor, orif they want to be mentored by
you, how can they reach out toyou?
Do you have social media?
Do you have websites that theycan go to and visit?
Rebecca (18:39):
Yes, I do so.
My website is holyredefinedcomand that's holy W-H-O-L-L-Y
redefinedcom.
That's probably a really goodway to reach out to me.
They can also email me atrebeccagtherapist at gmailcom,
and then that Rebecca is spelledwith a CC.
(19:00):
I'll be so glad to get in touchwith them, and I see clients
right now in person at my churchcalled C3 Fort Worth.
It's just right in the heart ofFort Worth on the map and I
also see clients virtually, andI'm also available for walk and
talk therapy.
I really believe in the powerof walking and being out in
(19:20):
nature while you're processingthrough some of those difficult
and complex situations.
Absolutely.
Storie (19:29):
Would you also offer insurance, or are you offering
it to people with insurance andwithout insurance?
Rebecca (19:35):
Yes, I don't accept insurance at this time.
However, people can let me knowif there's a special needs
situation and I can offer asliding scale.
Storie (19:44):
Oh, that's wonderful.
So you're open to everyone,helping anyone, everyone.
Well, I really reallyappreciate you coming on the
show and sharing all yourthoughts and insights,
especially being an entrepreneurin such a special and important
field.
So I hope to have you back inthe next six months to see where
you're going from there.
Thank you, story, it's been apleasure.
(20:06):
Thank you, rebecca, and to allof our listeners out there,
we'll see you next time onMarket it With Atma.
Welcome back to Market it with Atma, where we share the
tips, tools and strategies tohelp your business succeed.
I'm your host, dori, and todaywe have on the show a founder of
Wholly Redefined Counseling andTherapy Rebecca Gorman.
Welcome, rebecca.
Rebecca (00:33):
It's great to be here, Dori.
Thank you for having me.
Storie (00:35):
Awesome.
I'm so excited to have you onthe show because I could
probably talk to you for days.
Can we start, though, withtelling us a little about your
story, how you came to start andbe an entrepreneur and found
your own business, and whatinspired you to found this type
of business?
Rebecca (00:53):
Absolutely Well.
My journey probably began yearsago when I was struggling to
heal from immune system issuesactually, and at that point I
started getting interested inholistic healing and nutrition
and things like that.
And then what happened was Istarted going to therapy myself.
(01:16):
You know, I had never I'd beento like short-term counseling
before.
That was for a specificsituation, but I hadn't done
like long-term, you know,cognitive and personality
restructuring therapy.
That really got to the issuesof some of my patterns in life.
And after having gone throughthat, I then decided that I
(01:40):
wanted to get a master's degreein marriage and family therapy
for myself and I wanted tointegrate that with what I had
already learned about holistichealth and wellbeing, because I
really believe that the body,the mind, the spirit, it's all
so connected and I wanted to beable to provide psychotherapy in
a way that really incorporatesthe whole person.
Storie (02:02):
Wow, that's incredible.
So can you tell me more aboutwhat type of therapy you have at
Holy Redefine or that you offer?
Rebecca (02:08):
Absolutely.
I offer talk therapy and Iincorporate mindfulness,
breathing.
I'm also going to keep in mindespecially internal family
systems.
It's a type of therapy whereyou kind of look at where the
different parts of people arekind of being kept locked up.
(02:30):
A lot of times when people aregoing to therapy, maybe one part
of them is holding all thegrief and the trauma, while
another part of them is holdingall the hope and the joy, and
this is often connected tophysical symptoms that are
manifesting in the body.
And so during the course oftherapy, I'm going to ask a lot
(02:50):
of questions like where are youfeeling that in your body?
Where is that manifesting inyour body?
Or like what is that trying totell you?
And so I give a lot ofintegration, I facilitate a lot
of integration between the bodyand the mind and the emotions,
Almost like kind of what they doin meditation grounding.
Storie (03:13):
I feel like that would ground me.
If you're telling me to focuson the points in my body where
it affected me, which is greatbecause it almost brings you
back here instead of off in yourthoughts, would you agree?
Rebecca (03:24):
Absolutely that's the goal really is for people to be
able to be authentic and presentin who they were made to be.
And often, when we're carryingaround trauma and coping
mechanisms and defensemechanisms, they just keep us
from really showing up in theworld as who we were made to be.
And so the therapy room for meI call it like a holy of holies.
(03:47):
It's a place of shalom peacewhere I really want I want it to
be that centering, groundingspace where people can really
get into a deep conversationwith themselves and meet
themselves.
Storie (04:03):
That's wonderful.
So have you run into anyclients that maybe they don't
know?
They have those portions ofthem that have the anger and you
know, stress and anxiety thatthey came to you for, and how do
you manage walking through thatwith them?
Rebecca (04:20):
That is such a good question.
I would say it's the majorityof us.
We all need a mirror to reflectback to us.
One of my favorite sayings isthat none of us can see clearly
in our own storms, which is whyI really believe you know, every
therapist should have've beenyourself.
You can't take someone to placesthat you've never been, and so
(04:48):
what I often find is it is thehigh performers the people who
come to me are.
Often they are the ones who areleaders and they are always the
ones serving and helping others, and in fact, they often are
just very compassionate andsmiling and things like that.
But I've gotten to where I cansee where there's anger behind
(05:09):
their eyes, and because whathappens is we start thinking
that's not allowed.
We start thinking like well,for me to be a leader, for me to
serve others.
I can't be in touch with my ownanger when people let me down
or when I feel like the buckalways stops here.
I'm always the one picking upthe slack and in my experience,
that often is where is is.
(05:30):
One of the roots of autoimmunedisease, too is when we feel
like the buck always stops withus and we feel like it's always
down to us.
That can result in a lot ofisolation, both within ourselves
and just from other people.
Storie (05:46):
Wow.
You really touch on the factthat your mental state really
does affect your physical state,so being in tune with both of
them is very important.
It seems like right, yes, wow.
So can you tell me how do youstay motivated when helping
others and seeing the pain andthe grief, how do you stay
(06:07):
motivated in what you do and howdo you progress each day in
getting better or stayingpositive?
What inspires you?
Rebecca (06:19):
I think what inspires me is seeing people reach the
goals that they came to therapyto achieve.
I love seeing miracles happenand to me I'm a guide and I'm a
faithful witness, but for meit's the client doing the work,
they're the hero, and I'm therejust to support and guide and
(06:41):
encourage them.
And so seeing those resultshappen it brings me so much joy,
especially when people not onlydo they resolve patterns in
their own lives, but they beginto see their constellation of
relationships change as well.
Even if none of their familymembers or coworkers or whoever
(07:03):
they've had difficulty with,even if none of them go to
therapy.
When the client does the work,it's incredible to see how all
their relationships transform inways that are beneficial to
them.
Storie (07:14):
I love that.
So it's almost like you can seewhether it be good or bad in
others what you wish you hadknown and you can accept it.
I know when I went to therapyin the past.
Just having that acceptance ofknowing where other people are
that you've grown from throughtherapy is almost like a calming
like I understand where you'vegrown from through therapy is
almost like a calming like Iunderstand where you're coming
(07:36):
from and you.
You probably need help.
But that's not for you to say,it's just the understanding that
gives.
Rebecca (07:41):
Gives you some peace when you say that you found that
in your clients and having thatunderstanding helps them
absolutely understanding andacceptance are huge, especially
accepting the parts of ourselvesthat we've disowned.
Like.
We all have parts of ourselvesthat are selfish, that are
controlling, that are furious,you know, and so often actually
(08:04):
what we call mental illness, itoften comes from rejecting parts
of ourselves that actually weneed to have conversation with
and accept them unconditionallyand love them and then, once
they're accepted and seen forwhat they are and not shamed and
not disowned, they can actuallybe integrated with the true
self and actually brought underthe awareness and control of the
(08:28):
person's true self, who, I'mconvinced, is loving and
beautiful and courageous and allthe things that we want to be.
Storie (08:36):
That's awesome.
So is that kind of why youtouched on the point of how
therapists should should also gothrough therapy?
Would you say that, even for atherapist psychopath, any type
of person giving counseling toothers should continue their
journey in therapy as wellthroughout their lifetime?
Rebecca (08:53):
I definitely believe so .
And that may look different foreach person, but I just think
doing our own work is huge,especially if we are walking
beside others who are doingtheir own work and walking
through really difficult things,so that we don't
unintentionally start to lean,lean on them and unhealthy ways
or you know things like that.
(09:14):
We need to make absolutely surethat we're taking care of our
soul and spirit and that we aretaking really good care of
ourselves, and I think I thinktherapy is a way to care for
ourselves.
I think it's a great example ofself-care and self-love.
Storie (09:26):
That's awesome.
So have you had any mentorsthrough your journey and being
an entrepreneur or a therapistthat you really look towards for
guidance and would you sayhaving a mentor, especially in
your industry, is important?
Rebecca (09:40):
Absolutely.
I have benefited from someincredible mentors in my life,
and one mentor that I have isJay Arsment, and she's the
leader of Rest Yourself FamilyMinistries, and she, uh, she's a
multiple business owner, but,like, what's really cool is just
to see how she stops for theone, she stops for the person.
(10:03):
And it's not about even thoughshe's this very successful
business owner.
It's never about you know, whatcan I get from you.
It's always about what, whatcan I offer, what value can I
give?
And and she can look at a womanwho is is at the lowest point
of her life, maybe she's youknow, recently homeless, maybe
(10:26):
she's coming from a domesticviolence situation, and she will
look at that person with as,with the same worth as someone
who's, like you know, a moverand shaker in Dallas or
something, and so I love havingpeople like that in my life,
because that that's the kind ofleader that that I aspire to be
right.
Storie (10:44):
I would hope every male or female would inspire, aspire
to be just like that, to to notcast that judgment, which is a
beautiful thing.
That's awesome.
So what advice would you giveto, say, people wanting to
actually go to school for whatyou've gone to school for for
therapy, psychotherapy, any ofthose?
(11:05):
And what was something you wishyou had known prior to starting
your own business?
Rebecca (11:13):
That is such a great question.
First of all, I want to say tosomeone who's entering the
profession as a counselor or atherapist it is a long journey
and just not to get discouraged.
I also would encourage thatperson, if they've never been to
therapy themselves, definitelyto do their own work and you
know, I'm grateful that theprogram I enrolled in at the
(11:35):
King's University.
One thing that I felt made itstand apart was that we, as we
learn different therapy concepts, we practice them on ourselves
first.
We applied them to ourselves.
I'd never had blackboardassignments like what I had at
the King's University, whichwere often asking very personal
(11:55):
questions and they were askingus to be vulnerable in front of
our classmates because we werebasically applying what we were
learning to ourselves first.
But I'm grateful that they didthat because they were like
we're going to make sure youdon't graduate from this program
without knowing what it's liketo you know be receiving therapy
.
Storie (12:14):
So, in addition to you mentioned having a mentor and
your how important your mentorwas to you, Are you looking to
mentor in the future or is thatsomething that you want to help
other therapists or counselorskind of walk through so that you
can guide them down that pathwithout the road bumps that you
may have encountered?
Rebecca (12:34):
Yes, absolutely.
Especially for licensedprofessional counselor
associates or LMFT associates.
It can be a long journey tofull licensure and I think that
there is so much that you as aperson have to bring to the
table and I'm convinced I mean Iknow wonderful psychologists
(12:59):
and LPCs and life coaches andthings like that and I really
think that the most valuablething you bring is yourself,
like the credentials, thetraining that's absolutely
important.
We all want to be lifelonglearners.
I intend to be a lifelonglearner the whole time that I'm
a therapist and just continuedeveloping my skills.
But I think that you and yourjourney, and especially you
(13:23):
having done your own deephealing work, is the most
valuable thing you bring to yourclient.
And I think at the beginning,when you're starting your own
business and you're you'vegraduated and you're trying to
get off the ground and getclients, it can sometimes feel
like the whole world is sayingyou're not good enough, you
don't have what it takes.
Even after doing all that workto require the hours through
(13:46):
your practicum, internship andto get that master's degree, you
still don't have what it takes.
That's often what it feels likethe world is saying, and so I
would just want to encouragethem that they do.
There's a reason that they werecalled to this field and they
do have something valuable andirreplaceable to bring to the
table.
Storie (14:04):
That's wonderful.
It's wonderful that you'reoffering to help walk people
through it as well, becausethat's almost invaluable to some
to be able to watch and beguided by someone as
inspirational as you are you.
Actually, we talked about in aprevious meeting we had how
Advent Trinity kind of uses thebuild launch, grow scale
(14:25):
methodology.
Where would you say you are inthat build launch, grow scale
phase, especially because youactually came from a marketing
background, didn't you?
I did Awesome.
Can you tell me where you arein that build launch, grow scale
phase and how your marketingbackground has impacted you in
(14:47):
whatever phase you're in rightnow?
Rebecca (14:49):
I would say I'm definitely in the launch phase I
was building while I wasfinishing my master's degree,
you know, getting the PLLC,launching my website, trying to
apply what I had learned in themarketing profession to my own
business, which I will say forthose of you out there, it is
(15:11):
very different doing it foryourself than doing it for
somebody else.
It's a whole mindset shiftbecause and really it's an
opportunity for further, youknow, therapy work on yourself,
because it is often so mucheasier to promote what somebody
else is doing than to believe inourselves and our gifts and
what we're doing, which is wheresomething an organization like
(15:33):
Atma can be really, reallyhelpful to help you grow your
business.
I think that, with thelaunching phase that I'm in now,
it's definitely a matter offinding my ideal clients and
building just those trustingbusiness relationships where we
can refer people to each otherand practicing really telling
(15:58):
people who my ideal client isand who they would want to refer
to me, and how we can really behelpful to each other.
It's really been quite anadventure because, having come
from working, you know, as anemployee or a manager in an
organization for a long time,it's exciting and also very a
(16:20):
little scary and challenging toenter, that entrepreneur mindset
so story I was telling you.
I feel like I'm needing to gofrom an A student mindset to a B
to a C student mindset, andwhat I mean by that is, you know
, I feel like for years I'vebeen really good at fitting into
other people's systems and nowI feel like I'm actually needing
(16:42):
to ask myself what?
What system do I want to create?
What do I want to build Like?
Now that I'm launching this,what do I want it to look like?
Storie (16:52):
And that is just a whole , a whole new world for me, with
the marketing backgroundintertwined in that, and it's
still almost daunting notdaunting, but what's the word
I'm looking for?
Scary the word you mentioned isscary to walk that path even
with your knowledge of it.
(17:13):
So having somebody, especiallythis day and age where it's so
digital, now everything changesfrom day to day I feel like I
need to come see you after this.
Just grounding yourself withsomeone who can bring you back
down is amazing.
But I agree, I never was ableto market myself or my husband's
(17:36):
business the way somebody elsecould.
I had to go to somebody elseand now that I work for a
marketing company all the time Isay I can see how to help you,
but you're going to have to tellme how to help me if I'm going
to go and look for it.
And I feel like it's the samewith what you're doing.
It's, there's so much intricatedetail you have in your mind to
(17:56):
share, um, but it's easier totell someone and have them
reframe it, would you say.
Rebecca (18:02):
Yes, that's spot on.
I love that relationship youbrought out between therapy and
marketing.
It's so true and often that'swhat I do.
Like clients might feel likeI'm reading their mind and I'm
not.
I'm actually just reflectingback what they said to me that
they did not realize.
Storie (18:16):
They said yes, it's almost a form of therapy, I
guess, for marketers and aslight bit of counseling there
too Well.
Can you tell me if someonewants to come and use you as
their therapist or counselor, orif they want to be mentored by
you, how can they reach out toyou?
Do you have social media?
Do you have websites that theycan go to and visit?
Rebecca (18:39):
Yes, I do so.
My website is holyredefinedcomand that's holy W-H-O-L-L-Y
redefinedcom.
That's probably a really goodway to reach out to me.
They can also email me atrebeccagtherapist at gmailcom,
and then that Rebecca is spelledwith a CC.
(19:00):
I'll be so glad to get in touchwith them, and I see clients
right now in person at my churchcalled C3 Fort Worth.
It's just right in the heart ofFort Worth on the map and I
also see clients virtually, andI'm also available for walk and
talk therapy.
I really believe in the powerof walking and being out in
(19:20):
nature while you're processingthrough some of those difficult
and complex situations.
Absolutely.
Storie (19:29):
Would you also offer insurance, or are you offering
it to people with insurance andwithout insurance?
Rebecca (19:35):
Yes, I don't accept insurance at this time.
However, people can let me knowif there's a special needs
situation and I can offer asliding scale.
Storie (19:44):
Oh, that's wonderful.
So you're open to everyone,helping anyone, everyone.
Well, I really reallyappreciate you coming on the
show and sharing all yourthoughts and insights,
especially being an entrepreneurin such a special and important
field.
So I hope to have you back inthe next six months to see where
you're going from there.
Thank you, story, it's been apleasure.
(20:06):
Thank you, rebecca, and to allof our listeners out there,
we'll see you next time onMarket it With Atma.
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