October 30, 2024 • 63 mins
What if your passion could lead you to a life of financial freedom and cultural richness? Join us as we journey through the inspiring narrative of our guest, who transitioned from a grueling orphanage in Siberia to discovering entrepreneurial success in Portugal amidst the booming Airbnb market. This episode promises to enlighten you on pursuing work that aligns with your values and the joy found in embracing uncertainty and overcoming financial hurdles. Together, we'll unravel stories from Latin America, the United States, and Europe, illustrating the fulfillment that arises when you dare to chase your dreams.
Our conversation explores the profound impact of cultural immersion and language learning, from Miami's vibrant streets to Portugal's serene landscapes. Our guest shares their personal experiences, shedding light on the lively nuances of Brazilian Portuguese and the enriching lifestyle of Brazil. We delve into the unique traditions and culinary delights of Italy and Norway, offering listeners a taste of the world's diverse cultural tapestry. Whether it's discovering the welcoming communities of Lofoten Island or the rhythmic dance culture of Brazil, this episode captures the essence of connecting across borders.
Finally, we navigate the entrepreneurial terrain, emphasizing the balance of altruism and profit in today's digital age. Reflecting on the original spirit of platforms like Couchsurfing, we advocate for a community-centric approach where equality and shared ideas take the forefront. With insights into the startup ecosystem, investment strategies, and the value of time, this episode is a treasure trove for anyone looking to expand their understanding of cross-cultural connections and entrepreneurship. Tune in to be inspired by stories of resilience, transformation, and the pursuit of meaningful life beyond conventional career paths.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello and welcome to Matt Chambers Connects, a
podcast hosted by Matt Chambers.
This is the podcast thattranscends boundaries, empowers
cross-cultural connections andfosters a more connected world.
I'm your host, matt Chambers,and I invite you to join us on
this quest to expand ourunderstanding and build bridges
(00:20):
between my two favorite placeson the planet Latin America and
the United States.
I've been traveling, living anddoing business in Latin America
for nearly two decades, andBrazil, actually, how about you?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm in Italy.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh, that's right, You're in Italy.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know whyI asked that question.
I knew that from our texts backand forth.
Where are you?
What part of Italy?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right now it's Genova , nearby Italy.
It's like a port town.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Wait nearby Italy.
Wait nearby Milanova, nearbyItaly.
It's like a port town.
Wait nearby Italy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Wait nearby Milan.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Ah, nearby Milan.
How far away from Milan is that?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
By car.
It's like an hour and a half,about an hour and a half oh
gotcha.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So how are you?
What are you doing now?
I mean, are you just travelingfull time?
I mean, I know that you put ina hotel over there somewhere,
right, yeah, in Lisbon, but it'snot anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean, it's not the same as it was before.
It was more like right now,it's just Airbnb.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh, it's not a hotel anymore, it's just an Airbnb
property.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's more like things to do.
It's like you get to be hirepeople, you know.
It's like you get to have someemployees and it's it's a little
bit different structure are youstill running it, though?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
is it still yours?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
oh no, I mean, I'm still part of it sometime, but
I'm not like running it myselfoh, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So what did you do?
You just started it and thenjust what?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, it's many years ago.
Portugal just started with, youknow, airbnbs and I moved to
Portugal that time and it was2015,.
Like end of the 2015, I think,and I saw that opportunity that
it would be very cool to createsomething like a short term
(02:30):
because it was very cheap.
I was, I remembering I wasliving in rbnb and I moved, that
I was living in in norway and Imoved to portugal and I
remember I rented the place forlike a whole month in Airbnb and
I paid about like 400 euro andand it was in the center, in
(02:53):
historical part, you know, justlike walking up it's like
amazing, beautiful view.
Um, I just remember working mycomputer computer over there and
just dreaming what I want to dobecause I kind of retired I
call myself retired, but I justsaved up enough to live that
(03:14):
time up to two years.
I mean, it depends where youare in the world, right, maybe
if I move to Asia, I can livemaybe five years.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I just knew when you're young you can create
something, and that's probablylike my entrepreneurial spirit.
So I just okay, I have enoughfor the next two years and I'm
for sure creating something, youknow, like a project or
something that I will bepassionate about.
For me, it's very important tohave passion, like I want to do
that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, I think that it's just you know, I don't know
.
It just seems to me we agree onthat, because it just seems to
me that going through life justworking for money and working to
build someone else's dream justseemed to never make sense for
me.
I mean, I've had someincredible job opportunities
that I could have gone andworked for someone else and made
(04:07):
a lot of money and um, at timesI've done that, um, and it's.
At times it's worked out, attimes it hasn't, it hasn't, and
the times that it doesn't, it'stypically because I'm just bored
.
I'm like what am I doing, like,with my life?
You know, I'm sitting hereworking for some other guy
(04:27):
getting a paycheck from someother guy, while he's rich.
He's giving me this stupidcontract that says I can go on
one vacation, one week ofvacation per year, while every
two months him and his wife areon vacation.
I'm like, nah, fuck you, dude,I'm not doing that shit.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I'd rather be broke than that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's more fun to be broke Am.
I wrong, I'm eating every mealand living in a nice place and
(05:12):
having experiences that are coolevery day that I can pass on
and tell people.
You know that's more fun to methan having a bunch of money
working for someone else and himtelling me when I can go and
when I can't go Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And you don't have time to spend that money
actually exactly working all thetime but that money exactly you
, you have a uh, enough money,or like good money, and you
don't have time to spend thatmoney.
And you have time and you don'thave money.
So how you kind of like managethat?
For example, in my life I, whenI started to work as engineer
(05:46):
and that was my like a fullgovernment job where you know,
from nine to five, let's saylike this, and I was the
youngest engineer in my team and, um, I was just knocking on the
doors.
I was in second year inuniversity and it's like why I
get to study all this theorywhen I can just trying to get
like a practical, you know, likepractical side of it, because
(06:08):
it's all about like a, toactually be in the field you
know, work and see how, if Ilike it, really like it or not,
you know.
And so I just knocking on thedoor and I eventually got a job
and and they remembering, I wasworking, studying, you,
traveling and doing many thingsI was organizing my life like
one year, two years, five yearsahead, what I'm going to do.
(06:30):
And one day I was sitting and Iwas thinking I'm going to work
as an engineer for 40 years ofmy life.
Yes, I can manage my free time,you know, because I know it's a
lot of a different setup forlike workers.
Like how you work, we have likefive weeks vacation and you
know you can manage your owntaxes the way you want and like
it's just maybe different.
(06:51):
I don't know, like in Portugalis a little bit different as
well.
So for me, for example I wasremembering I was sitting there
and I was like I'm going to workessentially for 40 years of my
life and I'm going to bepromoted right now for every six
(07:12):
months, so maybe every yearwith the next position and next
position I will get more salaryand I will not have any time at
all for myself.
I will just working all thetime pleasing other people,
serving for the community.
I mean, I was working for thegovernment, for the public
sector, right, and and I wasfeeling like so I'm going to
eventually get into the highestlevel of whatever it is there
and what's next.
So I'm going to be in thatposition all my life because
there's no other positionshigher up.
But I don't like it.
(07:33):
I like it as how much I canmake and it's like you're
getting more and more bonusesand different things and
different rewarding things likebonuses and you know different
things and different.
Like rewarding things becauseyou're working so well and you
know they're giving you morethings.
(07:54):
Or like what you can do and theway you can do it and you know
more opportunities.
Like how you can thrive in awork environment.
And for the young you know,when you're young, ambitious is
great.
And one day I was just feelinglike I'm burnt out because I
felt like I was working all thetime.
It's not my, it's not my motherlanguage.
Right, it was norwegian.
(08:15):
I was, you know, studying innorwegian, I was working in
norwegian, and and one day Ijust burnt out and I said to
myself I get to go and dosomething different, you know,
and I didn't know what.
I was kind of like stuck, but Ilet myself be, you know.
I said like I have all thismoney and now I have time to go
and explore and I'm not like old, you know.
(08:36):
So I get to go and explore andfind out.
And I discovered Portugal aftera while.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know and discovered that I have
entrepreneurial skills, and sois Portugal kind of what drove
you to this, gave you thistravel bug?
I mean, I know you've been towhat?
60-plus countries, or something.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
No, I travel a lot in Norway.
You know, I started to travelactually back in Russia and I
love always to travel.
It was my passion, I think itwas part of my passion.
I just always to travel.
It was my passion, I think itwas part of my passion.
I just love to travel.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You were originally born in Mongolia, right, I think
you told me, tell that story.
I kind of want to go back onthat because I think that Well,
I was born in Mongolia.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
My mother abandoned me for like one year and a half.
I was growing up in an orphanhouse in a Russian site in
Siberia.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You were in.
What town was it that you thatit was a town that's not very
well known that you were in?
Yeah, it was Budamcha.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's like a small town, you know, like it's not
even a town.
It's like a yeah, it's kind ofa town, but it's not like in
Russia.
It's like of dumb, but it's notlike in Russia.
It's like they have acollective.
You know, it was like a SovietUnion time and it's like
Collective, like what peopleliving collectively and they're
doing the things collectively.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, yeah, it's like sort of like a co-living.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, it's like a.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Cooperative co-op like cooperative maybe, or what
we call it in the US, I'm notsure a co-op like cooperative
maybe, or uh, what do we call itin the us?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm not sure.
I think it's a co-living, butit's like uh, uh, people working
together.
You know for one thing, youknow they're working for the
season.
Like, for example, season isfinishing and after you get to
go and uh uh, getting preparingfor the winter, and after you
get in, like it's kind of likemore like a community, everyone
is helping each other in a sense, like it's not.
Like like in community,everyone is helping each other,
(10:28):
it's not like in America.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So is it completely an orphan home?
So everyone, there is an orphan.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yes, you're living in the summer it's the same year
to the work environment whereyou're working for the girl
Gather something or doingsomething for the collective,
and every summer you're justworking for the like gather
something or doing something forthe collective, you know and
every summer you're like, justworking on the field.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So because you all grow up as orphans, do you have
a special connection with acertain number of people in
there?
I assume they become family tosome degree right?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, I don't have any connections with Russia at all.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Really.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So because you know, when I was starting growing up
and I was a teenager, it wasvery brutal.
It was a very brutal coldenvironment and I was kind of
like a tough cookie.
I love to be standing formyself and have always an
opinion and always have ideasstanding for myself and have
(11:28):
always like opinion and alwayshave ideas, and so I I've been
very like, um, always have ideasand always have a dreams and
and I was fighting all the time.
I was a teenager I was likealways like fighting and um, but
I remember like when I started,like actual fist fighting when
you say fighting yeah fistfighting Really.
You mean within other people orwith other people in the
(11:51):
orphanage A lot of teenagers,adults sometimes, I mean, I
guess, because you grew upreally rough right.
You look at me.
It was tough, Very tough.
You got to survive, but I thinkit's like because people are
drinking there.
Everyone is drinking.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And the orphanage.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's a lot of alcohol , so you started to drink.
I started to drink very early,you know.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
In the orphanage everyone was drinking.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Like in that environment In the orphanage as
well, like people taking drugs,you know very early and it like
an orphan.
Like people taking drugs, youknow early and it's kind of the
same, probably like they.
It's not the same type of drugs, let's say like that gets in
America, like it's, if I willcompare.
It's different but it's a lotof alcohol.
You started to smoke cigarettesvery early.
I remember my friend startedvery early, when it was like
(12:40):
seven I think, some of them, butI tried cigarettes when I was
like maybe like 12, 13, but Ididn't like them, you know.
And after, like I, I started todrink alcohol.
So I was drinking a lot, liketo, like this, and because of
that environment and when you'redrinking a lot, you started to
fight, you know, for no reasonfor sure, the people and um, and
I was one of the like, wasdrinking a lot, but I stopped
(13:03):
you know like I stopped becausebecause my friends, many of my
friends, was not staying out.
that time I was in a bad company.
But as a kid, you don't know.
You know as a teenager, youdon't know, you just want to be
cool and kind of like, you know,gangster, probably, kind of
like a gangster type I would sayright now, and I enjoy it.
(13:25):
You know, somehow, like, let'ssay, I was enjoying it and was
always fighting, always likejust going around and asking for
money.
You know like, and telling somelike not nice things to the
other people and they werescared.
You know, like, justremembering, I was always like
wearing this, like gangsterclothes.
You know all the big things,things, all black, always black.
(13:48):
I don't know, I was alwaysdrinking.
That was my dark, my teen yearsof darkness.
I even didn't know that was adarkness.
You thought it was normal,probably at the time.
(14:12):
My many friends have to die ofdifferent reasons.
You know like and um overdose,and you know like being beaten
up and and I was starting tofeel scared.
I was like, oh my gosh, I'mright now like 15, 16 and I'm
like, would I survive until 18?
You know, I was like, would Istill live until 19?
I remember going through thattoo, though.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I remember going through that little phase in my
life where I wondered how longI'd actually live and I used to
tell people I was like I don'tthink I'll live till 30.
And then I don't know why, butmost people that I've talked to
go through that phase wherethey're like I think I'll be
dead by 40 or dead by this age.
Yeah, I remember thinking I'dbe dead by 30.
(14:48):
I'm 40 now, so I made it pastmy prediction for sure.
But you know, going back to youralcohol comment about alcohol
just being so bad, I readsomething the other day that
said I believe it said that 65%of murders in the United States
are alcohol related ExactlySomething like that.
(15:09):
So, yeah, I mean it's to mealcohol is the worst drug and I
drank recreationally on theweekends for many years, I mean
from the time I was, you know,20, 20, I guess college, right,
18, 19 in college.
From that age, all the way upuntil about eight years ago, I
guess 2016 or so, I, just kindof cold turkey, just stopped
(15:32):
drinking and I think that a lotof it is just being around
people that don't drink.
But I mean, my drinking waslike just recreationally on the
weekends, right, it wasn't likeI was.
It didn't affect I don't thinkit affected my work at all.
I mean, I wasn't going out onMonday and drinking or Tuesday.
It was just a thing that youknow you worked all week really
hard, especially in the US,where you just grind for 60
(15:55):
hours, 70 hours a week, and thenon Friday you haven't had time
to think of anything cool to do,so you just call up whoever's
going out to drink to, you know,wash away all your stress from
the week, and so that was kindof like my drinking.
But it was funny Because in2016, I had moved to Columbia
(16:17):
and was spending a lot of timesalsa dancing, learned how to
salsa dance and managingColumbia and I was in the school
.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I loved to dance salsa.
I've done Salsa for like 15years, I think already.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, no, I took it very seriously.
I was in private classes, I wasin group classes.
I mean, that was kind of mylife in Columbia.
That's pretty much what I did.
I was in what's I think the topschool in managing Columbia and
has been for many, many years.
I was in their training withtheir professional team for at
least three years and thosepeople never drank right.
(16:50):
So when I would go out anddrink they kind of looked at you
like, why are you drinking,what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And so a guy looked at me as I got better.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I was about a year in or a year and a half into it
and I was actually becomingpretty decent.
And the guy said you know,every time you go out to dance,
people want to see yourexpression, they want to see
what you bring to the dancefloor, they want to see what
you've learned, all those things.
And if you're drunk andtripping over your shoes, it
(17:22):
just doesn't even make sensethat you come in here and train
with us.
And he said that I was like, andI always thought, like the
dancing in the United States is,for the most part, isn't really
dancing, you're just drinkinguntil you have enough courage to
flop around like an idiot,which is not really an art.
Right, you're just, the alcoholis talking, and so I never
(17:43):
really looked at it that way,but that's how they explained it
to me.
They're like this is an art,and if you're going to spend
time learning how to do it theright way, it makes no sense for
you to drink.
And so it was kind of thatmoment I was like, wow, okay,
that's why none of these peopledrink when they go out.
You know, me and my friendsfrom the U?
S and Europe are the only onesthat are drinking while they're
dancing.
And so it was that moment thatI pretty much just dropped it.
(18:07):
And it's not that I don'toccasionally still go out and
have a beer or two.
You know be walking down thebeach or something in Brazil or
wherever, and you know grab abeer and drink a beer, but it's
never.
I never sit down and have 10beers or, most of the time, not
even two.
It's just usually a quick beerand take off.
But I probably don't do thatmore than once every three or
(18:28):
four months.
Maybe I do that, so yeah, whydid you choose brazil?
well, I've just always traveledlatin america, right um, I've
been to a lot of latin america,and brazil was a country that I
had always read about.
You know, I was alwaysattracted to the Amazon jungle
and all the benefits that itbrings to the world.
(18:48):
And you know, obviously, rio.
I mean, everyone wants to go toRio and see all the sights in
Rio, and so I was in Colombiaand my residency was expiring
there.
And I had two choices, and I hadtwo choices.
It was either extend theresidency for another year,
which, if I would have extendedfor one more year, I would have
had lifetime residency there.
(19:10):
But I decided last minute thatsome things had gone all upside
down for me in the businessworld and I decided that another
year in Columbia wasn't goingto be of any benefit to me, in
Colombia, wasn't going to be ofany benefit to me, and so,
rather than continue, and I saidyou know what?
(19:31):
I'm just going to cut this offright now.
Forget the residency, I'm goingto cut it off right now.
I never even responded back tomy attorney when she was talking
about renewing my residency.
I had like two months left and Istarted looking around.
I was going to go to Ecuadorand happened to be talking to my
mom one day and she goes.
You know, you've always wantedto go to Brazil, you should
check that place out.
And I looked online that veryday, just not even really taking
(19:52):
her seriously.
And flights were nothing to getdown here.
They were like $200 to get toBrazil, which is half of what
they typically are, right, and Iwas like you know what?
I'm going to Brazil.
And so I came down here for aweek.
I was like, well, I'm going tojust go for a week check it out.
And then, um, you know, I camedown here, you know you love it,
(20:13):
you meet a girl and you stayeight months.
And then, um, after that eightmonths, I left for a while and
then, um, then about a year, andthen I came back and I've been
here another six months.
But I'm getting ready to leavenext week.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Actually, I'm gonna go back to Miami interesting
because, for example, when Idiscovered Portugal, it was also
very interesting because myidea was from Norway, I was like
I'm going to go south of Italy,south of France and south of
Spain.
That's where I was.
Like I've been traveling and Ilove you know the Sarris and I
didn't know anything aboutPortugal.
(20:47):
Uh, and I did come into theSantiago and, uh, one day,
somebody telling me aboutPortugal and I'm like, well, I
have time to travel, like I havetime after this so I can go and
explore.
And so I arrived to the you knowPortugal, to the north of
Portugal, and I just feel like I, remembering I was like this is
(21:09):
my country, this is like somuch to do, it's just so much
fun.
And I travel like all, like allover that's two weeks I spend
in Portugal and I just in love.
And then, like it took me threemonths to move and to move.
And I did it, you know, I justthought I'm moving, I'm doing it
, you know, and everyone saidall my friends were like you're
crazy, you don't know anyonethere.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
What was so special about Portugal?
Because so many people movethere right around the pandemic
time, right?
I mean they offered that goldenvisa to a lot of people and
Americans retired there.
What's so special aboutPortugal?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I think the quality of life, you know it's very
cheap.
I mean right now it's a littlebit more because so many people
you know coming in and generalit's way cheaper than the rest
of Europe.
Honestly, and for me, forexample, it's a quality of life.
It's amazing good food, it'ssuper relaxing.
It's like we have the all thebeaches we have like south of
(22:09):
portugal.
It's like so much fish, so muchlike seafood.
It's I don't know, I just loveit.
It is so nice.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm have you been there long enough to learn the
language?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I assume you do speak some yeah, yes, I speak
portuguese as well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Ah, cool, cool, cool.
I mean, I like I speak.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Norwegian, Swedish, Portuguese, English, Russian.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Oh my God, you know once you speak Russian, you can
learn some.
Once you learn Russian and thenany one of the Romance
languages, you can learn so manyothers, right.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think I saw the other day.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
if you speak Russian, I think I saw the other day
that if you speak Russian, youcan learn 11 additional
languages, like within threemonths, something like that,
which is pretty crazy rightWithin 33 months, which is less
than three years, you couldspeak 11, 12 languages just
because you speak Russian.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I mean, every time when you're learning the
language, you get to focus on it, you know, you get to like
really dedicate your time andyou know to learn and especially
when you're in a country, it'svery easy because people really
want you to learn and theyreally want you to like speak,
of course.
When I was in Brazil, example,many years ago, stayed about
(23:26):
like a three months, butBrazilian is a little bit
different than Portuguese it'sway different yeah and it's
beautiful language.
I love Brazilian language.
You know, it's very likedancing, it's like well, the
Brazilians.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It just makes sense, right?
It just makes sense because theBrazilians have taken
Portuguese.
And here's my interpretation ofit, and I don't know how
accurate this is, but this is mejust thinking through it in my
head.
You, know the Brazilians arejust the coolest people on earth
.
I've never met anyone that, anyculture, that's cooler than the
Brazilians.
They're just fun, loving, cool,fun.
(24:01):
And they I think Brazilianslive life like the majority of
the rest of the world would liketo be able to live life, in my
opinion.
But when you hear the language,it's almost like they said you
know, let's we, you know wespeak Portuguese, right, because
obviously the Portugueseinfluence, but let's take a
little mix of Spanish, italianand all these other romance
(24:24):
languages and let's just make itfun and cool.
And you know cause?
And they've taken a lot ofEnglish words too, right, like
it's pretty crazy, they'll takean English word and put an E on
the end or a G on the end or a Gon the end, and it's just an
English word that they'vechanged the pronunciation of.
And you're like what?
Like Facebooky, like Facebooky,talk to me in Facebooky.
(24:47):
And you're like YouTubey, likeall of them.
They literally just it's just afun language.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's a beautiful language.
It's amazing.
I love the Brazilian language.
It's very beautiful and it justgoes right along with them
right.
I mean they're amazing peopleso flowy, you know, so sexy
Brazilian loves to dance a lot.
I feel like they're dancing allthe time, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You know, it's almost like a kid's language, like
when you hear adults speaking,it sounds like a bunch of kids,
just like going back and forthwith each other.
Oh, it's beautiful man.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I mean, it's just, it's just incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I can't wait to speak it fluently.
At this point I'mconversational.
I have no problems gettingaround with it from A to B, but
I probably need another year orso in the country to say that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's very I mean from my, my perspective.
When I'm traveling, I justlearn a few words like thank you
, hello.
How are you Learning just likethank you?
That's enough, every time indifferent languages.
When you just say thank you,it's a very beautiful word
(26:05):
though yeah well, I, I also try.
Gratitude you know I.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I also try to throw in there that I don't speak the
language, right, that I'mlearning the language, because I
feel like like I was in chinaand I'm like nihao.
Everywhere I went, I would saynihao and like, at the time I
guess I was pretty good atsaying ni hao, because these
people would just rattle off inMandarin right after I would say
ni hao, they'd.
I thought that I understood it.
(26:32):
I understood nothing, and so Ilearned.
I'm like okay, I'm going tohave to say me how, and then I
don't know how to say that Idon't know how to speak the
language, and then maybe they'llhelp me out, you know, with
English or something else, andwe can get through it.
I agree with you, though youhave to say something.
I mean, I've seen some come tothese countries Americans,
(26:52):
europeans, wherever and theydon't speak anything.
You're like could you at leastlook it up on Google?
Like how to say gracias, atleast gracias, right, hola, not
even hola.
Americans would go intoMedellín, colombia, and be like
hello, hello, are you there?
How are you?
Hello?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And you're like they don't speak.
English here, what?
That's true.
You know, here in Italy as well, many parts of Italy they don't
speak English.
You know, yeah, and it's okay,I understand.
Of course they don't need to.
You know, in my mind it's likeit's Italy.
You know, italy is so manytourists coming in.
(27:34):
It's like tourists from aroundthe world.
Because Italy is so manytourists coming in, it's like
tourists from around the worldbecause Italy is like a museum.
It's like so beautiful andarchitecture is just so amazing.
And it's like a big, beautifulmuseum, you know, and each year,
each city has the whole likeown history and have this
(27:55):
amazing, um, architecture, likea buildings.
It's like just wow, I, I reallylove it.
I really love italy.
Because of that, you know,because it's just like so much
history here and they're soproud of their own history.
And right now I'm learning aboutrenaissance.
You know, the renaissance itactually came from italy, it
(28:16):
came from florence, florenceregion, and they started to, you
know, extend, uh continue to belike, around the many parts of
the europe and I was asking likewhy?
Why the florence, you know, gotso much influence.
You know, uh, implanted likethey implanted so many other
parts of Europe because theywere flourishing.
(28:38):
At that time, people weretraveling more people from
Florence to other parts ofEurope where they were sharing
the music, the art, the voices,the poems that were commuting
and people would just love it.
You know, that was a very goodway to communicate.
(29:02):
Maybe that there was like acircus type, you know, like a
theater, I don't know, and I'mjust thinking like who was
traveling?
It was like gypsies, you know,they were bringing all these
different things and they weresharing all of that and I'm
feeling like that's why peoplejust love to create.
You know, here, for example, inItaly, people really love to
(29:26):
think, and you know, and createand be so patient with what they
create and they're so likehappy.
You know, they're very happywhen they um, create something
or like so proud of it and Ifeel like it's beautiful.
I feel like like many thingsthat we know now, it's come from
(29:48):
italy.
You know, like, uh, like, ifyou go for the origins and read
about that, it's came, you know,different part of Italy.
That's very interesting as well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
No, italy is amazing.
I've had so many, you know.
So I've never been there.
I've just had so many people.
Obviously, everyone reads up onItaly and well, at least I feel
like they do.
But yeah, I mean just met a lotof people over the years that
(30:21):
have been over there and theyall say the same thing Everyone
loves, loves visiting Italy.
I want to go back a little biton your Norway stuff.
I I know that Norway was a wasa big highlight in your, in your
travel life.
Did you get up to Tromso?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think that's where all the reindeer are the Sami
people right, I think that'swhere all the reindeer are the
Sami people, right?
Well, I was living in, yeah,north of Norway and I was living
on Lofoten Island I don't knowif you know about Lofoten Island
, it's north of Norway and Ispent over two years, you know,
I spent like about over almostfive years in north of norway
(30:55):
and I've come to the south, um,and it's very different from
north to south, because I feelnorth people way more open, way
more open to learn, because,maybe because they don't travel
so much, so like for them it'slike kind of expensive to travel
(31:16):
and they, you know, still havethis like old way of thinking
and, um, when you're coming andsharing your ideas and you know
like and your dreams, andthey're always so happy to give
you opportunity to like toachieve your, you know,
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And that's the people in Tromso.
Tromso is in the north right.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
And that's where the northern lights are.
Yeah, tromso, that's part ofthe Norway.
It's very positive, very happyfrom my perspective, very nice,
joyful people.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
But that's in the north isn't that in the north
where the northern lights are?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
yeah, they have like six months north.
They have six months like a dayI got to go.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's a little bit sunny here yeah, no worries, but
I mean, tromso is also where Ithink the sami tribe is there.
Is that that city where yeah,yeah, yeah yeah and then they
basically that whole triberevolves around the reindeer
species, is that?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
accurate.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and theyactually using reindeers and and
uh, dogs, and they actually usereindeers and dogs.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
They ride reindeers, they eat the reindeer.
Basically, everything they dois yes, tell me some stories
about that.
I mean, I know it on a highlevel, but Well, you know they
do every year.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
For example, in Sirkeneses it's a north-north of
Norway they do like dog ridingcompetition from around the
world.
So people who riding, who likecompeting or who likes to train,
they, they do it like they comein with all their dogs and I
(34:15):
volunteer one year.
You know it was very fun, andthey were in with all their dogs
and I volunteer one year.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You know it was very fun and they were like doing is
it the dog sled races where theyhave, like the Siberian Huskies
?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
that it's so much fun and like they have a stops.
They did like several dayswhere they're writing dogs and
they have the same for thereindeer.
I haven't been, but I know thatthey do that for the deer, the
reindeer the same thing.
It's like this they have.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, the reindeers pull the sleds.
Just like Christmas, right LikeSanta Claus.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
But it's like a part of their life experience.
You know, like their life it'snormal.
For them it's not like it'severyday life.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's what I had read.
That's the species of thatreindeer in general.
Basically their whole liferevolved around that.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I eat the meat as well.
Yeah, they eat it.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I know they eat it.
I eat the meat as well.
Yeah, they eat it, I know theyeat it.
Oh, you did, was it good?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
yeah, very good.
I mean it's different ways tocook it as well, and it's just
they have like a season.
You know where you can also getlike the wild one if you want,
and they have.
You know this.
I go like the normal that it'slike they're just going for that
(35:42):
.
You know to eat it for thewinter, like when it's winter
time, so they used to eat it andyou know then making everything
the same way, like they'redoing with the horses.
Of course it's a very differenttaste of the horse meat and
(36:03):
deer meat.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I've actually eaten horse meat in Germany.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
In Italy, they eat it as well.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
In Italy they eat horse meat.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Oh they do.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, I had a horse hot dog andthen we had several different
plates that we shared back andforth amongst a group of guys.
But I remember having a horsehot dog there.
It actually wasn't bad.
I mean, as a hot dog it wasn'tbad.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's great that you're open.
You know, for example, inMongolia we eat a lot of horse.
We just eat horse.
I mean it's part of the realitythat you're growing up and
that's part of the.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But it's wild horses, right, you're killing the wild
horses in Mongolia.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
They have.
You know, it's like I don'tknow how to say it, but it's,
they're growing it.
We're growing it in a normal,you know, just like a lot of
horses.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, but I mean they're running wild in Mongolia
, right?
I mean, isn't that kind of partof they're on the desert, I
guess, over?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
there.
They're kind of like not youknow, they're not for themselves
, they're not like free horses,they belong to the families.
Oh, so they're growing like afree horses.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
They belong to the families.
Oh, so they're growing them.
They're growing them for food.
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, no, I've eaten a lot of.
I've eaten a lot of crazy stuffover the years.
I mean I know you don't evensee that as crazy, it's kind of
just normal, Um, but I would saylike, coming from you know the
Western cultures, that'scertainly crazy, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I mean what is crazy.
Sometimes I'm like asking whatis like what?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
is normal.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like when people growing up in that environment
and they for them, it's normal,Well, every single culture just
uses whatever resources arearound them, right?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Whatever resources that they grow up around.
And you know, it makes sensethat if you're in the desert in
Mongolia, in the middle ofnowhere, and there's a bunch of
wild horses running around, Imean, what else are you going to
eat, right?
So you find ways to make itedible and good.
And you know, the first time Ihad goat meat was actually in
Jamaica good, and you know thefirst time I had goat meat was
(38:18):
actually in Jamaica.
And coming from you know, Iguess, going back to your
question, like what is crazy?
I think crazy is just anythingthat you've never been exposed
to, right, that's just outsideof your day-to-day norm.
So if you grew up in Mongoliaand you're eating horses all the
time and then all of a suddenyou go to the United States and
there's no horse but there's abunch of hormone injected
(38:40):
chicken and beef, then you thinkthat's crazy, that we're eating
a bunch of hormone injectedfake meat.
So, um yeah, I've traveledaround a lot long enough to know
that the food that we eat inthe United States is just total
trash.
And you know I've, so I'm, andyou know I've, so I'm the first
to admit that the US doesn'thave that figured out.
I mean, I can go.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Sorry I interrupted you, but US doesn't have a
traditions.
You know, that's not like, no,like, it's not like that.
Strong traditions, culture,culture.
You know that culture, forexample, that Italy have, or
Norway or Mongolia.
Yeah we don't have that, youdon't have that culture, and for
example, for me.
(39:21):
I grew up in an environmentwhere I was telling you, it was
like a part of Russia where wehad a lot of horses, a lot of
cows, a lot of like, and it wasnormal to work in that
environment.
But we're like, we milk cows,we milk horses, and it's true,
but like you really do it withyour hands, you know it's a
normal.
It's a normal things to do, youknow, and that's everyone doing
(39:45):
it.
You know all women doing it, sofor them it's normal.
And I remember when I arrivedin Norway and I started to kind
of take care of the horsesnearby because I love horses and
this and I remember one day thehorse give birth to the baby.
You know they give birth to thebaby.
And I came to the lady who wasthinking like it was her like
(40:12):
stale stale, stale, and and theycame like can I?
and ask her like can I milk?
Can I milk the horse please?
Because right now the milk isso rich it's very good for your
health, like it's very good whenyou're drinking it.
It's so good right now, youknow.
So it's not like so fat andit's so rich by like nutrition
(40:32):
and everything you know, becauseI'm drinking a lot of horse
milk when I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But it's like she looked at me like this and she
said, like what?
We never drink horse milk and Isaid to her why.
I mean it's so healthy, it's sohealthy for your health.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Did she let you do it ?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
It's so healthy for your body.
You know, because in my mindhealth did she let you do it for
your body.
You know, because in my mind itwas just like it's a normal way
when you bring up in thatenvironment.
So we used to drink it whenyou're like feeling a lot, a
little bit sick or a little bitnot.
Well, you know, you like.
You know that if you drink alittle bit of kumis it's like a
you know, special thing made ofhorse milk.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And or you're drinking like a horse milk.
That's actually.
It helps you to be, you know,to get more stronger again and
feeling better.
And I kind of grew up with thatmindset and I remember when I
was being sick many times inNorway and I was feeling like
when I found the horse horses, Iwas feeling like when I found
(41:40):
the horse horses I was feelinglike that would be the moment
when I can ask the milk thehorse.
And what this moment camearound I I was very surprised,
like why I cannot do that.
It's like she didn't allow youto do it no, she didn't allow me
to do that and I was a littlebit sad, you know, and was just
laughing at me because they werelike, yeah, because you grew up
(42:01):
in completely different youknow, it's not normal here we
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Well, you're like let me just teach you how.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, exactly I wanted, but I didn't allow you
even to.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You're like, if you give me 10 minutes, I can
single-handedly change thisculture and you'll be drinking
horse milk from here on out.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
They told me don't come here anymore, we don't
allow you to come over.
From then I was crazy Wow.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
You've done a lot of cool stuff.
I was reading your website andall that.
I think you've done 60.
I think we said this earlier,but you've done 60 of cool stuff
.
I was reading your website andall that.
I think you've done 60.
I think we said this earlier,but you've done 60 some
countries in total.
What are your favorite three?
Just highlight your favoritethree.
I know you said Norway's topcountry.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
My favorite.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Favorite, no, your favorite country.
Well, we can go through thattoo.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
What's your favorite country?
For me it's.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Italy.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Italy's your favorite country, italy, italy's your
favorite.
I mean, it's like, of course,portugal is very beautiful, but
italy is so much history, youknow, and it's so much beauty in
this country and it's so muchlike how long have you been in
italy?
many, many, many times so you'refluent in italian as well, I
assume and no, I don't speakitalian yet I I started to learn
and do a lingua.
Right now, paying moreattention towards that.
Um, I just like to travel here.
(43:20):
You know, I, um many years ago,when I wanted to move to italy,
yeah, um, I was like, oh,italian don't speak english.
You know, general like whenyou're walking around, they
don't speak english.
So for me it was a barrierbecause I was like I don't,
italian don't speak English.
You know, generally, like whenyou're walking around, they
don't speak English.
So for me it was a barrierbecause I was like I don't want
to learn a new language again, Ijust want to speak English.
I mean, you know we'll move tothe new country, I just want to
(43:40):
speak English, you know, it'snot, it's too much to spend a
lot of time learning a newlanguage.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It's a.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And when I moved to Portugal, of course I fell in
love and I was like, portuguesepeople speak English, everyone,
you know speaking English,everyone is very happy to speak
English.
And I was like, oh, that's nice, you know, I don't need to like
every time having thisconversation where I get to use
vocabulary to like, you know,speak the language.
(44:09):
That was kind of like likeinteresting for me.
Yeah, uh to.
That was one of the part why Idecided to move in portugal and,
of course, it was very, verycheap, compared to italy, for
example.
That time italy is way moreexpensive, you know, two times
more expensive than portugal.
And I was like, oh, if I'mgoing to move to italy or spain,
(44:30):
um, I was like, oh, if I'mgoing to move to Italy or Spain,
I was like, oh, my money isjust enough for like a round
year and I've been moving toPortugal, so my money is enough
for two years and for sure Iwill create something in these
two years in my life duringthese two years in my life and I
started to make money.
That was my kind of mindset inthat moment.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, so how are you monetizing all?
How are you planning tomonetize all this?
I mean, I know you have a, aguidebook on your website that
you know the people can read.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm learning I'm learning right now because, you
know, I decided I will probablyright now, um, I have like a two
project that I'm working on.
That's um, you know, part ofthe team.
You know, like it's not just myproject.
It was like, um, I'm a part ofthis project and um, but I will,
I'm on the side.
I'm developing my own, you know, my own things and my things
(45:27):
that I'm like to in the future,just focusing on myself, let's
say, like on my own brand, youknow, bringing my own value and
you know, my own voice to theworld and you know, see how it
goes.
Because I feel like when wesmart and understanding the
(45:48):
value of our time, you know, andI'm just like understanding
what we can do with our time,like us entrepreneurs, for
example, right, I'm just feelinglike my time can cost, let's
say, 100 euro, or my time cancost 10,000 euro or 1 million.
You know, one hour it depends.
(46:10):
It depends, like my mindset,the way I see the time.
You know, one hour it depends.
It depends, like my uh mindset,the way I see the time, you
know.
So, like every time when I'minvesting in a project, I'm just
saying like, okay, if I'minvesting right now my time,
because I'm thinking I'minvesting my time in this
project, you know because, yes,I don't make money right now,
you know, but the thing is, Iwill sell this project.
(46:31):
You know because, yes, I don'tmake money right now, you know,
but the thing is, I will sellthis project or we will get the
first round, for example,investors or something like that
, so I will have enough money tocover my expenses, you know, to
travel or like to do thenetwork or do whatever I have to
do.
The thing is, I learned with thestartup world, being in the
(46:52):
startup world, I have manyfriends who are startuppers, you
know, and they are likeentrepreneurs in San Francisco
or like in California and NewYork, and many of them they
don't have understanding of themoney, they don't have
understanding of the time, andevery time when I'm hanging out
with them, I'm just asking likeguys, you don't have
understanding of the time.
(47:12):
And every time when I'm hangingout with them, I'm just asking
like guys, you don't understandthe value.
Like right now, you receive 50millions and you just spend this
50 minutes in two years becauseyou get to spend it sometimes
somehow, and it's not about that, it's about to create extra of
these 50 millions.
You know to learn how to createextra money out of that and but
(47:36):
they don't think like that,they're just thinking how can
they spend it as fast aspossible, because this is what
they get to do no well, siliconvalley has always all those tech
startups, you know, and I'vedone some work for a couple of
tech companies and it's just amess.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I mean, and I know there's obviously some very
successful tech companies outthere, but these startups that
get three, four, five milliondollars to build some cold
calling platform, I'm always,you know, I just like to sit
down at lunch sometimes with thepeople that invest in these
idiots and say, why did you justgive that guy $5 million to
(48:15):
build this?
Because you know, my point isthese guys are 22 years old a
lot of them, right, 24 years old, 25 years old, never done
anything, and some PE companygives them $5 million just to
try it.
And you know, I don't eventhink they research it.
Sometimes Some of these techcompanies are so bad that I'm
(48:37):
like did you even do research onthis before you gave this guy
$5 million?
I don't know those techcompanies amaze me at the money
they can get for absolutelynothing, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, what about have different group of the
investors?
It's like a different levels,how much money you have and the
way you can invest this money.
Like some of, let's say,accelerators and incubators, can
invest $50,000 on the project,but they give you like an office
space, they give you some tools, they give you like this and
this and this, yeah, and youknow, and they have like
(49:13):
accelerators, like a SiliconValley or like more London or
like bigger, you know biggeraccelerators or incubators that
can give you millions.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
And that's.
It's a completely differentscale.
And I look, when I started tolearn about startups, it was a
long time ago.
You know it was a long time ago.
You know it was 2015, 2016, andI was invited in many different
startups like a founderinstitute and I was doing like,
uh, I was consulting.
I was doing like differentthings that time and I was
feeling like before, I wouldlike to enter the startup world.
(49:48):
I would love to see the waypeople play there.
And for me because nobody knowwhat they're doing and they
still don't know.
You know they don't know andthey think this is like so much
money there and I'm like I'msaying to them look at all these
platforms.
Right, like we have so manyplatforms.
We meet in the fourth march,for example.
Right, they will have asubscription and I'm just
(50:10):
feeling like all these platformsbeing created, they could just
monetize the things you know.
But the thing is like theydon't need so much money to
monetize thing.
They need money to sustainthemselves.
This is, how much do you needto sustain yourself?
This is why I like the idea ofthe couch surfing.
You know the the way that whenthe couch surfing came out, when
(50:30):
theing, you know the way that,when the couchsurfing came out,
when the hospitality club cameout, many different platforms
that actually have this idea,the way they can sustain
themselves in the future andthey want to raise I'll say
raise the right like the workwith no money on, just like on
their own knowledge, becausethey have I'm working for the
big company, like a Facebook orGoogle, and I have enough money
(50:53):
to sustain myself and I wouldlike to just like do something
good for the community.
You know, like just sharingthis, like the couchsurfing
mentality, for example.
You know like you can travel,you can stay in a different part
of the world, sharing yourculture, sharing your knowledge.
You know, and I'm telling thatthe idea was very beautiful
Right now the cow is in thedescription because they've been
(51:17):
sold to the bigger company.
It seems like the idea in thebeginning was wonderful.
You know the trust roots or bewelcome.
Right now, the idea is to helppeople.
You know like it's the idea ofthat, that we're all equal, that
we have, you know, the rightsto be equal and sharing their,
(51:38):
our thoughts and our ideas.
But the thing is we live in acorporate world where everything
is just so connected and this.
Everything is so corrupt, soit's not easy for the people
like us who believe in who'slike.
I call.
I call us like a idealist.
Uh, we have a utopian mindset,you know.
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We're believing in the good,we're like trusting that the
things that we do, it's for thegood, and we do many things
altruistic, not just becausewe're going to make money out of
that, we just believe in theidea.
You know, uh, and I'm tellinglike it's, it's all about
balance.
It's about to find this balancewhat matters for each of us,
(52:22):
because we all have one life,but it thinks it's what I want
to spend my life.
Uh, you know how I want tospend my life, what I want to do
with my life.
Do like, for example, I meetpeople who just traveling all
the time.
They don't have money, but thethings is they just travel and
when they making, or likeworking on the farm or like
somewhere, they're making enoughto go to the next place that
they want to go and explore andthey just threw themselves there
(52:44):
, just staying somewhere,whatever, on the streets,
whatever.
I mean different type of peoplein my life and everyone is just
have the one idea I'm just likeI'm going to travel all my life.
It doesn't matter where I'mgoing to die, you know, and how
I'm going to die, I just want totravel.
And I meet people who liketravel around whole russia, or
like whole central asia, orronald mongolo or china.
(53:06):
I mean, I meet americans, forexample, and was having this
conversation with them why doyou do that?
And they said I just love totravel, that's my.
You know, it's not about for me, it's about money, it's about
traveling, it's about adventure.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
And I said well, I think it's a more fulfilling
life Right?
I mean, if you just if you workyour whole life just for money.
I think most of the guys thatwork their whole lives just for
money get to the age of 80 orwhatever their deathbed age is,
and I think they regret that.
Most of them regret that theyworked their whole lives for
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money and I think that the guywho travels and does exactly
what he wants in his life is alot happier.
Those last years yes,personally I do.
It'd be cool if you I think intoday's world you can do both
right With the internet.
I mean, I don't think there'sany reason you can't do both.
Yeah, that wasn't possiblebefore.
(54:02):
What's on your?
What's next on your adventurelist?
Do you have anything planned?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Well, I'm right now learning how to sail better,
Like my.
Well, I'm right now learninghow to sail better like my
sailing skills.
Yeah, improving my sailingskills, because in the future
I'm thinking like future, like Iwant to, you know, practice
more sailing.
And like five years, probablyfrom now, maybe 10 years from
now, I would love to go on anadventure around the world,
sailing around.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
You know, I told you I'm in the yacht business right.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
What.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I didn't tell you I'm in the yacht business, right
what I didn't tell you, I'm inthe yacht business no.
Yeah, I'm a yacht broker inMiami.
I didn't tell you that.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Oh yeah, I'm actually leaving next week to go back
because we have FLIBS, which isFort Lauderdale International
Boat Show.
It's the biggest yacht show onthe water in the world, so I'm
going back next week for that.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
They have like a yacht show here in Monaco.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, I know they do.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
And you know it's very nice.
It's a little bit differentthan Miami.
I just saw some very it'sfamilies.
You know it's like a familyowns and people more older.
Yeah, send me some informationon those.
I would love to do that,because the beauty of this
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business is it doesn't matterwhere you are.
I would love to be like a yachtbroker.
That would be fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
So the beauty of it is, if someone calls arabia
right, uh, to be their broker,and you find a buyer in italy,
you can do that.
It doesn't have to be just inthe us okay which is pretty cool
.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
It's pretty cool but I don't know so much about the
yacht right now.
You know, I'm just starting tolearn the difference between
sailing boats.
Like you know this sailboat,like different names and
different like um companies.
So, like their, their, theirstory, you know, because when
they started to do the sails,it's uh, you know that's
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different between you know themotorboats and sailboats and
catamarans and it's different,it's like a different things and
I understood, like sailing, um,well, selling is different than
most of what we do.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
I mean most of what we're doing is motor yachts
right, super any.
I mean anything from even likea two hundred thousand dollar
boston whaler up to you know, upto the top.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
I mean as big as you can go you know, boats here in
europe is actually cheaper than,for example, boats in america
is that right?
And yeah.
Well, everything's cheaper thanit is in America because America
is ridiculous, for example,marina where I'm staying right
now in Lisbon, we're paying.
It's in the center of theLisbon, you know center
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historical part is just like 15minutes to the oldest historical
thing that we all like bars,and, you know, restaurants yeah
um, it's like for the biggerboat, like a middle, middle side
boat, it's 2 000 euro a yearwow to rent it or own it no, if
you own the boat and you'reputting it in marina, it's 2 000
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euro a year oh, that's not badand bad.
And for the small ones it's1,200.
It's in the center of Lisbon.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Wow, that's cheap.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
It's super cheap.
You know, I'm just like you buy, like, for example, like I want
to buy the boat next year, butI was like pushed to learn.
You know a little bit which oneI want to buy.
But the thing is like I'mthinking it's nothing like what
I'm paying just $1,200 for you.
I'm paying for the apartment$1,200, $1,500, you know, a
month.
Right, right and if I'm likeowning the boat and even just
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parking it over there, but it'sa nice, you know.
If it's like a middle side boat, for the one person it's enough
, you know, and you haveeverything in.
It's like you have a waterthere, you have electricity, you
have everything.
And I've been, I lived in theboat.
So like I like it, you know,it's like you always say you did
live on the boat.
Yeah, I live in the boat Like awhile in Miami Florida as well.
(58:03):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Did you wait?
Did you see about the guy?
There's a guy in Tampa theycalled him Lieutenant Dan.
He has a little 22-footsailboat and they were trying to
beg him to leave the sailboatduring the hurricane and go to
shelter and he totally refused.
He was like no, I'll be fine.
He's made it through twohurricanes now just living on
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his boat and he's become prettyfamous on social media for it.
Did you see?
Speaker 2 (58:28):
that guy?
No, I haven't, you should lookthis guy up.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
They offered him $100,000 to if he made it
through it.
Someone offered him $100,000 ifhe lived, and he lived, and
then they reneged the offer,which was kind of messed up.
It's like you can't just offerdude $100,000 and stay out there
and risk his life and then takethe money back, right.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
Well, that's you know .
I feel like some people justlike to talk.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah for sure, so for those people that are looking
to kind of travel, blend thatwith work and entrepreneurship,
what's your advice to help themfulfill their goals?
Speaker 2 (59:11):
Doing a little bit research.
Uh, first, before you're goingsomewhere, do some research on
on where you want to go, justlike little research.
And, uh, you know, and watchmaybe some videos of the people
who already done it, if nobodydone it.
So, just you know, go and Don'tbe scared to travel.
I believe the whole world isour family.
(59:33):
You know, it's everywhere thatyou go, people want to help you,
people want to support you,people want to love you, people
want to stay with you and once,like you, stay with them.
And that's the reality of youknow, the reality of our reality
, that we're living like ourworld is a family.
You know the reality of ourreality that we're living like
all world is a family.
You know, and that's and that'smy interpretation, and this is
(59:56):
how I live and this is my lifethat's been my uh, that's been
my experience.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That's been my experience for sure I've.
I've been welcomed with openarms everywhere.
I've gone and made friendsaround the world because of it.
So I think you're dead on withthat.
Um, how do people reach out toyou if they want to connect?
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
well, they can go to my website, aishatoday, and they
can book.
You know, have a book time withme.
They could connect through theum, the calendari, or like
through the link there or go tomy instagram account it's
bigbossbaby777 aishatoday is thewebsite yes, and also my book
(01:00:40):
on Amazon right now, JoyfulLiving Guidebook.
You just write Joyful LivingGuidebook and you will see
different platforms right now soyou can order it on Amazon in
the United States.
You can right now order it inEurope.
You can like it's worldwide.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Awesome, sounds good.
Hey, I absolutely enjoyedhaving you on.
Thank you so much, this wasawesome.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Thank you, Matt.
I think we brought a lot ofreally good travel advice to the
world.
World is family.
Now we are family.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Exactly, exactly.
You met another friend today,exactly.
Thank you so much for joiningme on this episode of Matt
Chambers Connects.
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between my two favorite placeson the planet Latin America and
the United States.
I've been traveling, living anddoing business in Latin America
for nearly two decades, andBrazil, actually, how about you?
Speaker 2 (00:48):
I'm in Italy.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Oh, that's right, You're in Italy.
Yeah, I mean, I don't know whyI asked that question.
I knew that from our texts backand forth.
Where are you?
What part of Italy?
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Right now it's Genova , nearby Italy.
It's like a port town.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Wait nearby Italy.
Wait nearby Milanova, nearbyItaly.
It's like a port town.
Wait nearby Italy.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Wait nearby Milan.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Ah, nearby Milan.
How far away from Milan is that?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
By car.
It's like an hour and a half,about an hour and a half oh
gotcha.
Speaker 1 (01:18):
So how are you?
What are you doing now?
I mean, are you just travelingfull time?
I mean, I know that you put ina hotel over there somewhere,
right, yeah, in Lisbon, but it'snot anymore.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
I mean, it's not the same as it was before.
It was more like right now,it's just Airbnb.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Oh, it's not a hotel anymore, it's just an Airbnb
property.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
It's more like things to do.
It's like you get to be hirepeople, you know.
It's like you get to have someemployees and it's it's a little
bit different structure are youstill running it, though?
Speaker 1 (01:55):
is it still yours?
Speaker 2 (01:57):
oh no, I mean, I'm still part of it sometime, but
I'm not like running it myselfoh, gotcha, gotcha.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
So what did you do?
You just started it and thenjust what?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
Well, it's many years ago.
Portugal just started with, youknow, airbnbs and I moved to
Portugal that time and it was2015,.
Like end of the 2015, I think,and I saw that opportunity that
it would be very cool to createsomething like a short term
(02:30):
because it was very cheap.
I was, I remembering I wasliving in rbnb and I moved, that
I was living in in norway and Imoved to portugal and I
remember I rented the place forlike a whole month in Airbnb and
I paid about like 400 euro andand it was in the center, in
(02:53):
historical part, you know, justlike walking up it's like
amazing, beautiful view.
Um, I just remember working mycomputer computer over there and
just dreaming what I want to dobecause I kind of retired I
call myself retired, but I justsaved up enough to live that
(03:14):
time up to two years.
I mean, it depends where youare in the world, right, maybe
if I move to Asia, I can livemaybe five years.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I just knew when you're young you can create
something, and that's probablylike my entrepreneurial spirit.
So I just okay, I have enoughfor the next two years and I'm
for sure creating something, youknow, like a project or
something that I will bepassionate about.
For me, it's very important tohave passion, like I want to do
that.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
Well, I think that it's just you know, I don't know
.
It just seems to me we agree onthat, because it just seems to
me that going through life justworking for money and working to
build someone else's dream justseemed to never make sense for
me.
I mean, I've had someincredible job opportunities
that I could have gone andworked for someone else and made
(04:07):
a lot of money and um, at timesI've done that, um, and it's.
At times it's worked out, attimes it hasn't, it hasn't, and
the times that it doesn't, it'stypically because I'm just bored
.
I'm like what am I doing, like,with my life?
You know, I'm sitting hereworking for some other guy
(04:27):
getting a paycheck from someother guy, while he's rich.
He's giving me this stupidcontract that says I can go on
one vacation, one week ofvacation per year, while every
two months him and his wife areon vacation.
I'm like, nah, fuck you, dude,I'm not doing that shit.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I'd rather be broke than that.
Speaker 1 (04:47):
It's more fun to be broke Am.
I wrong, I'm eating every mealand living in a nice place and
(05:12):
having experiences that are coolevery day that I can pass on
and tell people.
You know that's more fun to methan having a bunch of money
working for someone else and himtelling me when I can go and
when I can't go Exactly.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
And you don't have time to spend that money
actually exactly working all thetime but that money exactly you
, you have a uh, enough money,or like good money, and you
don't have time to spend thatmoney.
And you have time and you don'thave money.
So how you kind of like managethat?
For example, in my life I, whenI started to work as engineer
(05:46):
and that was my like a fullgovernment job where you know,
from nine to five, let's saylike this, and I was the
youngest engineer in my team and, um, I was just knocking on the
doors.
I was in second year inuniversity and it's like why I
get to study all this theorywhen I can just trying to get
like a practical, you know, likepractical side of it, because
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it's all about like a, toactually be in the field you
know, work and see how, if Ilike it, really like it or not,
you know.
And so I just knocking on thedoor and I eventually got a job
and and they remembering, I wasworking, studying, you,
traveling and doing many thingsI was organizing my life like
one year, two years, five yearsahead, what I'm going to do.
(06:30):
And one day I was sitting and Iwas thinking I'm going to work
as an engineer for 40 years ofmy life.
Yes, I can manage my free time,you know, because I know it's a
lot of a different setup forlike workers.
Like how you work, we have likefive weeks vacation and you
know you can manage your owntaxes the way you want and like
it's just maybe different.
(06:51):
I don't know, like in Portugalis a little bit different as
well.
So for me, for example I wasremembering I was sitting there
and I was like I'm going to workessentially for 40 years of my
life and I'm going to bepromoted right now for every six
(07:12):
months, so maybe every yearwith the next position and next
position I will get more salaryand I will not have any time at
all for myself.
I will just working all thetime pleasing other people,
serving for the community.
I mean, I was working for thegovernment, for the public
sector, right, and and I wasfeeling like so I'm going to
eventually get into the highestlevel of whatever it is there
and what's next.
So I'm going to be in thatposition all my life because
there's no other positionshigher up.
But I don't like it.
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I like it as how much I canmake and it's like you're
getting more and more bonusesand different things and
different rewarding things likebonuses and you know different
things and different.
Like rewarding things becauseyou're working so well and you
know they're giving you morethings.
(07:54):
Or like what you can do and theway you can do it and you know
more opportunities.
Like how you can thrive in awork environment.
And for the young you know,when you're young, ambitious is
great.
And one day I was just feelinglike I'm burnt out because I
felt like I was working all thetime.
It's not my, it's not my motherlanguage.
Right, it was norwegian.
(08:15):
I was, you know, studying innorwegian, I was working in
norwegian, and and one day Ijust burnt out and I said to
myself I get to go and dosomething different, you know,
and I didn't know what.
I was kind of like stuck, but Ilet myself be, you know.
I said like I have all thismoney and now I have time to go
and explore and I'm not like old, you know.
(08:36):
So I get to go and explore andfind out.
And I discovered Portugal aftera while.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know and discovered that I have
entrepreneurial skills, and sois Portugal kind of what drove
you to this, gave you thistravel bug?
I mean, I know you've been towhat?
60-plus countries, or something.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
No, I travel a lot in Norway.
You know, I started to travelactually back in Russia and I
love always to travel.
It was my passion, I think itwas part of my passion.
I just always to travel.
It was my passion, I think itwas part of my passion.
I just love to travel.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
You were originally born in Mongolia, right, I think
you told me, tell that story.
I kind of want to go back onthat because I think that Well,
I was born in Mongolia.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
My mother abandoned me for like one year and a half.
I was growing up in an orphanhouse in a Russian site in
Siberia.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
You were in.
What town was it that you thatit was a town that's not very
well known that you were in?
Yeah, it was Budamcha.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
It's like a small town, you know, like it's not
even a town.
It's like a yeah, it's kind ofa town, but it's not like in
Russia.
It's like of dumb, but it's notlike in Russia.
It's like they have acollective.
You know, it was like a SovietUnion time and it's like
Collective, like what peopleliving collectively and they're
doing the things collectively.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know, yeah, it's like sort of like a co-living.
Speaker 2 (09:58):
Yeah, it's like a.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Cooperative co-op like cooperative maybe, or what
we call it in the US, I'm notsure a co-op like cooperative
maybe, or uh, what do we call itin the us?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
I'm not sure.
I think it's a co-living, butit's like uh, uh, people working
together.
You know for one thing, youknow they're working for the
season.
Like, for example, season isfinishing and after you get to
go and uh uh, getting preparingfor the winter, and after you
get in, like it's kind of likemore like a community, everyone
is helping each other in a sense, like it's not.
Like like in community,everyone is helping each other,
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it's not like in America.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
So is it completely an orphan home?
So everyone, there is an orphan.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
Yes, you're living in the summer it's the same year
to the work environment whereyou're working for the girl
Gather something or doingsomething for the collective,
and every summer you're justworking for the like gather
something or doing something forthe collective, you know and
every summer you're like, justworking on the field.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
So because you all grow up as orphans, do you have
a special connection with acertain number of people in
there?
I assume they become family tosome degree right?
Speaker 2 (11:02):
No, I don't have any connections with Russia at all.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Really.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So because you know, when I was starting growing up
and I was a teenager, it wasvery brutal.
It was a very brutal coldenvironment and I was kind of
like a tough cookie.
I love to be standing formyself and have always an
opinion and always have ideasstanding for myself and have
(11:28):
always like opinion and alwayshave ideas, and so I I've been
very like, um, always have ideasand always have a dreams and
and I was fighting all the time.
I was a teenager I was likealways like fighting and um, but
I remember like when I started,like actual fist fighting when
you say fighting yeah fistfighting Really.
You mean within other people orwith other people in the
(11:51):
orphanage A lot of teenagers,adults sometimes, I mean, I
guess, because you grew upreally rough right.
You look at me.
It was tough, Very tough.
You got to survive, but I thinkit's like because people are
drinking there.
Everyone is drinking.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
And the orphanage.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
It's a lot of alcohol , so you started to drink.
I started to drink very early,you know.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
In the orphanage everyone was drinking.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Like in that environment In the orphanage as
well, like people taking drugs,you know very early and it like
an orphan.
Like people taking drugs, youknow early and it's kind of the
same, probably like they.
It's not the same type of drugs, let's say like that gets in
America, like it's, if I willcompare.
It's different but it's a lotof alcohol.
You started to smoke cigarettesvery early.
I remember my friend startedvery early, when it was like
(12:40):
seven I think, some of them, butI tried cigarettes when I was
like maybe like 12, 13, but Ididn't like them, you know.
And after, like I, I started todrink alcohol.
So I was drinking a lot, liketo, like this, and because of
that environment and when you'redrinking a lot, you started to
fight, you know, for no reasonfor sure, the people and um, and
I was one of the like, wasdrinking a lot, but I stopped
(13:03):
you know like I stopped becausebecause my friends, many of my
friends, was not staying out.
that time I was in a bad company.
But as a kid, you don't know.
You know as a teenager, youdon't know, you just want to be
cool and kind of like, you know,gangster, probably, kind of
like a gangster type I would sayright now, and I enjoy it.
(13:25):
You know, somehow, like, let'ssay, I was enjoying it and was
always fighting, always likejust going around and asking for
money.
You know like, and telling somelike not nice things to the
other people and they werescared.
You know, like, justremembering, I was always like
wearing this, like gangsterclothes.
You know all the big things,things, all black, always black.
(13:48):
I don't know, I was alwaysdrinking.
That was my dark, my teen yearsof darkness.
I even didn't know that was adarkness.
You thought it was normal,probably at the time.
(14:12):
My many friends have to die ofdifferent reasons.
You know like and um overdose,and you know like being beaten
up and and I was starting tofeel scared.
I was like, oh my gosh, I'mright now like 15, 16 and I'm
like, would I survive until 18?
You know, I was like, would Istill live until 19?
I remember going through thattoo, though.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
I remember going through that little phase in my
life where I wondered how longI'd actually live and I used to
tell people I was like I don'tthink I'll live till 30.
And then I don't know why, butmost people that I've talked to
go through that phase wherethey're like I think I'll be
dead by 40 or dead by this age.
Yeah, I remember thinking I'dbe dead by 30.
(14:48):
I'm 40 now, so I made it pastmy prediction for sure.
But you know, going back to youralcohol comment about alcohol
just being so bad, I readsomething the other day that
said I believe it said that 65%of murders in the United States
are alcohol related ExactlySomething like that.
(15:09):
So, yeah, I mean it's to mealcohol is the worst drug and I
drank recreationally on theweekends for many years, I mean
from the time I was, you know,20, 20, I guess college, right,
18, 19 in college.
From that age, all the way upuntil about eight years ago, I
guess 2016 or so, I, just kindof cold turkey, just stopped
(15:32):
drinking and I think that a lotof it is just being around
people that don't drink.
But I mean, my drinking waslike just recreationally on the
weekends, right, it wasn't likeI was.
It didn't affect I don't thinkit affected my work at all.
I mean, I wasn't going out onMonday and drinking or Tuesday.
It was just a thing that youknow you worked all week really
hard, especially in the US,where you just grind for 60
(15:55):
hours, 70 hours a week, and thenon Friday you haven't had time
to think of anything cool to do,so you just call up whoever's
going out to drink to, you know,wash away all your stress from
the week, and so that was kindof like my drinking.
But it was funny Because in2016, I had moved to Columbia
(16:17):
and was spending a lot of timesalsa dancing, learned how to
salsa dance and managingColumbia and I was in the school
.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
I loved to dance salsa.
I've done Salsa for like 15years, I think already.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, no, I took it very seriously.
I was in private classes, I wasin group classes.
I mean, that was kind of mylife in Columbia.
That's pretty much what I did.
I was in what's I think the topschool in managing Columbia and
has been for many, many years.
I was in their training withtheir professional team for at
least three years and thosepeople never drank right.
(16:50):
So when I would go out anddrink they kind of looked at you
like, why are you drinking,what are you doing?
Speaker 2 (16:56):
And so a guy looked at me as I got better.
Speaker 1 (16:59):
I was about a year in or a year and a half into it
and I was actually becomingpretty decent.
And the guy said you know,every time you go out to dance,
people want to see yourexpression, they want to see
what you bring to the dancefloor, they want to see what
you've learned, all those things.
And if you're drunk andtripping over your shoes, it
(17:22):
just doesn't even make sensethat you come in here and train
with us.
And he said that I was like, andI always thought, like the
dancing in the United States is,for the most part, isn't really
dancing, you're just drinkinguntil you have enough courage to
flop around like an idiot,which is not really an art.
Right, you're just, the alcoholis talking, and so I never
(17:43):
really looked at it that way,but that's how they explained it
to me.
They're like this is an art,and if you're going to spend
time learning how to do it theright way, it makes no sense for
you to drink.
And so it was kind of thatmoment I was like, wow, okay,
that's why none of these peopledrink when they go out.
You know, me and my friendsfrom the U?
S and Europe are the only onesthat are drinking while they're
dancing.
And so it was that moment thatI pretty much just dropped it.
(18:07):
And it's not that I don'toccasionally still go out and
have a beer or two.
You know be walking down thebeach or something in Brazil or
wherever, and you know grab abeer and drink a beer, but it's
never.
I never sit down and have 10beers or, most of the time, not
even two.
It's just usually a quick beerand take off.
But I probably don't do thatmore than once every three or
(18:28):
four months.
Maybe I do that, so yeah, whydid you choose brazil?
well, I've just always traveledlatin america, right um, I've
been to a lot of latin america,and brazil was a country that I
had always read about.
You know, I was alwaysattracted to the Amazon jungle
and all the benefits that itbrings to the world.
(18:48):
And you know, obviously, rio.
I mean, everyone wants to go toRio and see all the sights in
Rio, and so I was in Colombiaand my residency was expiring
there.
And I had two choices, and I hadtwo choices.
It was either extend theresidency for another year,
which, if I would have extendedfor one more year, I would have
had lifetime residency there.
(19:10):
But I decided last minute thatsome things had gone all upside
down for me in the businessworld and I decided that another
year in Columbia wasn't goingto be of any benefit to me, in
Colombia, wasn't going to be ofany benefit to me, and so,
rather than continue, and I saidyou know what?
(19:31):
I'm just going to cut this offright now.
Forget the residency, I'm goingto cut it off right now.
I never even responded back tomy attorney when she was talking
about renewing my residency.
I had like two months left and Istarted looking around.
I was going to go to Ecuadorand happened to be talking to my
mom one day and she goes.
You know, you've always wantedto go to Brazil, you should
check that place out.
And I looked online that veryday, just not even really taking
(19:52):
her seriously.
And flights were nothing to getdown here.
They were like $200 to get toBrazil, which is half of what
they typically are, right, and Iwas like you know what?
I'm going to Brazil.
And so I came down here for aweek.
I was like, well, I'm going tojust go for a week check it out.
And then, um, you know, I camedown here, you know you love it,
(20:13):
you meet a girl and you stayeight months.
And then, um, after that eightmonths, I left for a while and
then, um, then about a year, andthen I came back and I've been
here another six months.
But I'm getting ready to leavenext week.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Actually, I'm gonna go back to Miami interesting
because, for example, when Idiscovered Portugal, it was also
very interesting because myidea was from Norway, I was like
I'm going to go south of Italy,south of France and south of
Spain.
That's where I was.
Like I've been traveling and Ilove you know the Sarris and I
didn't know anything aboutPortugal.
(20:47):
Uh, and I did come into theSantiago and, uh, one day,
somebody telling me aboutPortugal and I'm like, well, I
have time to travel, like I havetime after this so I can go and
explore.
And so I arrived to the you knowPortugal, to the north of
Portugal, and I just feel like I, remembering I was like this is
(21:09):
my country, this is like somuch to do, it's just so much
fun.
And I travel like all, like allover that's two weeks I spend
in Portugal and I just in love.
And then, like it took me threemonths to move and to move.
And I did it, you know, I justthought I'm moving, I'm doing it
, you know, and everyone saidall my friends were like you're
crazy, you don't know anyonethere.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
What was so special about Portugal?
Because so many people movethere right around the pandemic
time, right?
I mean they offered that goldenvisa to a lot of people and
Americans retired there.
What's so special aboutPortugal?
Speaker 2 (21:45):
I think the quality of life, you know it's very
cheap.
I mean right now it's a littlebit more because so many people
you know coming in and generalit's way cheaper than the rest
of Europe.
Honestly, and for me, forexample, it's a quality of life.
It's amazing good food, it'ssuper relaxing.
It's like we have the all thebeaches we have like south of
(22:09):
portugal.
It's like so much fish, so muchlike seafood.
It's I don't know, I just loveit.
It is so nice.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
I'm have you been there long enough to learn the
language?
Speaker 2 (22:20):
I assume you do speak some yeah, yes, I speak
portuguese as well, yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
Ah, cool, cool, cool.
I mean, I like I speak.
Speaker 2 (22:27):
Norwegian, Swedish, Portuguese, English, Russian.
Speaker 1 (22:31):
Oh my God, you know once you speak Russian, you can
learn some.
Once you learn Russian and thenany one of the Romance
languages, you can learn so manyothers, right.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
I think I saw the other day.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
if you speak Russian, I think I saw the other day
that if you speak Russian, youcan learn 11 additional
languages, like within threemonths, something like that,
which is pretty crazy rightWithin 33 months, which is less
than three years, you couldspeak 11, 12 languages just
because you speak Russian.
Speaker 2 (23:04):
I mean, every time when you're learning the
language, you get to focus on it, you know, you get to like
really dedicate your time andyou know to learn and especially
when you're in a country, it'svery easy because people really
want you to learn and theyreally want you to like speak,
of course.
When I was in Brazil, example,many years ago, stayed about
(23:26):
like a three months, butBrazilian is a little bit
different than Portuguese it'sway different yeah and it's
beautiful language.
I love Brazilian language.
You know, it's very likedancing, it's like well, the
Brazilians.
Speaker 1 (23:40):
It just makes sense, right?
It just makes sense because theBrazilians have taken
Portuguese.
And here's my interpretation ofit, and I don't know how
accurate this is, but this is mejust thinking through it in my
head.
You, know the Brazilians arejust the coolest people on earth
.
I've never met anyone that, anyculture, that's cooler than the
Brazilians.
They're just fun, loving, cool,fun.
(24:01):
And they I think Brazilianslive life like the majority of
the rest of the world would liketo be able to live life, in my
opinion.
But when you hear the language,it's almost like they said you
know, let's we, you know wespeak Portuguese, right, because
obviously the Portugueseinfluence, but let's take a
little mix of Spanish, italianand all these other romance
(24:24):
languages and let's just make itfun and cool.
And you know cause?
And they've taken a lot ofEnglish words too, right, like
it's pretty crazy, they'll takean English word and put an E on
the end or a G on the end or a Gon the end, and it's just an
English word that they'vechanged the pronunciation of.
And you're like what?
Like Facebooky, like Facebooky,talk to me in Facebooky.
(24:47):
And you're like YouTubey, likeall of them.
They literally just it's just afun language.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's a beautiful language.
It's amazing.
I love the Brazilian language.
It's very beautiful and it justgoes right along with them
right.
I mean they're amazing peopleso flowy, you know, so sexy
Brazilian loves to dance a lot.
I feel like they're dancing allthe time, yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
You know, it's almost like a kid's language, like
when you hear adults speaking,it sounds like a bunch of kids,
just like going back and forthwith each other.
Oh, it's beautiful man.
Speaker 2 (25:27):
I mean, it's just, it's just incredible.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I can't wait to speak it fluently.
At this point I'mconversational.
I have no problems gettingaround with it from A to B, but
I probably need another year orso in the country to say that.
Speaker 2 (25:45):
It's very I mean from my, my perspective.
When I'm traveling, I justlearn a few words like thank you
, hello.
How are you Learning just likethank you?
That's enough, every time indifferent languages.
When you just say thank you,it's a very beautiful word
(26:05):
though yeah well, I, I also try.
Gratitude you know I.
Speaker 1 (26:10):
I also try to throw in there that I don't speak the
language, right, that I'mlearning the language, because I
feel like like I was in chinaand I'm like nihao.
Everywhere I went, I would saynihao and like, at the time I
guess I was pretty good atsaying ni hao, because these
people would just rattle off inMandarin right after I would say
ni hao, they'd.
I thought that I understood it.
(26:32):
I understood nothing, and so Ilearned.
I'm like okay, I'm going tohave to say me how, and then I
don't know how to say that Idon't know how to speak the
language, and then maybe they'llhelp me out, you know, with
English or something else, andwe can get through it.
I agree with you, though youhave to say something.
I mean, I've seen some come tothese countries Americans,
(26:52):
europeans, wherever and theydon't speak anything.
You're like could you at leastlook it up on Google?
Like how to say gracias, atleast gracias, right, hola, not
even hola.
Americans would go intoMedellín, colombia, and be like
hello, hello, are you there?
How are you?
Hello?
Speaker 2 (27:12):
And you're like they don't speak.
English here, what?
That's true.
You know, here in Italy as well, many parts of Italy they don't
speak English.
You know, yeah, and it's okay,I understand.
Of course they don't need to.
You know, in my mind it's likeit's Italy.
You know, italy is so manytourists coming in.
(27:34):
It's like tourists from aroundthe world.
Because Italy is so manytourists coming in, it's like
tourists from around the worldbecause Italy is like a museum.
It's like so beautiful andarchitecture is just so amazing.
And it's like a big, beautifulmuseum, you know, and each year,
each city has the whole likeown history and have this
(27:55):
amazing, um, architecture, likea buildings.
It's like just wow, I, I reallylove it.
I really love italy.
Because of that, you know,because it's just like so much
history here and they're soproud of their own history.
And right now I'm learning aboutrenaissance.
You know, the renaissance itactually came from italy, it
(28:16):
came from florence, florenceregion, and they started to, you
know, extend, uh continue to belike, around the many parts of
the europe and I was asking likewhy?
Why the florence, you know, gotso much influence.
You know, uh, implanted likethey implanted so many other
parts of Europe because theywere flourishing.
(28:38):
At that time, people weretraveling more people from
Florence to other parts ofEurope where they were sharing
the music, the art, the voices,the poems that were commuting
and people would just love it.
You know, that was a very goodway to communicate.
(29:02):
Maybe that there was like acircus type, you know, like a
theater, I don't know, and I'mjust thinking like who was
traveling?
It was like gypsies, you know,they were bringing all these
different things and they weresharing all of that and I'm
feeling like that's why peoplejust love to create.
You know, here, for example, inItaly, people really love to
(29:26):
think, and you know, and createand be so patient with what they
create and they're so likehappy.
You know, they're very happywhen they um, create something
or like so proud of it and Ifeel like it's beautiful.
I feel like like many thingsthat we know now, it's come from
(29:48):
italy.
You know, like, uh, like, ifyou go for the origins and read
about that, it's came, you know,different part of Italy.
That's very interesting as well.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
No, italy is amazing.
I've had so many, you know.
So I've never been there.
I've just had so many people.
Obviously, everyone reads up onItaly and well, at least I feel
like they do.
But yeah, I mean just met a lotof people over the years that
(30:21):
have been over there and theyall say the same thing Everyone
loves, loves visiting Italy.
I want to go back a little biton your Norway stuff.
I I know that Norway was a wasa big highlight in your, in your
travel life.
Did you get up to Tromso?
Speaker 2 (30:31):
I think that's where all the reindeer are the Sami
people right, I think that'swhere all the reindeer are the
Sami people, right?
Well, I was living in, yeah,north of Norway and I was living
on Lofoten Island I don't knowif you know about Lofoten Island
, it's north of Norway and Ispent over two years, you know,
I spent like about over almostfive years in north of norway
(30:55):
and I've come to the south, um,and it's very different from
north to south, because I feelnorth people way more open, way
more open to learn, because,maybe because they don't travel
so much, so like for them it'slike kind of expensive to travel
(31:16):
and they, you know, still havethis like old way of thinking
and, um, when you're coming andsharing your ideas and you know
like and your dreams, andthey're always so happy to give
you opportunity to like toachieve your, you know,
potential, you know to work likethey're lifting you up do you
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And that's the people in Tromso.
Tromso is in the north right.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
And that's where the northern lights are.
Yeah, tromso, that's part ofthe Norway.
It's very positive, very happyfrom my perspective, very nice,
joyful people.
Speaker 1 (32:59):
But that's in the north isn't that in the north
where the northern lights are?
Speaker 2 (33:02):
yeah, they have like six months north.
They have six months like a dayI got to go.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
It's a little bit sunny here yeah, no worries, but
I mean, tromso is also where Ithink the sami tribe is there.
Is that that city where yeah,yeah, yeah yeah and then they
basically that whole triberevolves around the reindeer
species, is that?
Speaker 2 (33:30):
accurate.
Yes, yes, yes, yes, and theyactually using reindeers and and
uh, dogs, and they actually usereindeers and dogs.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
They ride reindeers, they eat the reindeer.
Basically, everything they dois yes, tell me some stories
about that.
I mean, I know it on a highlevel, but Well, you know they
do every year.
Speaker 2 (33:52):
For example, in Sirkeneses it's a north-north of
Norway they do like dog ridingcompetition from around the
world.
So people who riding, who likecompeting or who likes to train,
they, they do it like they comein with all their dogs and I
(34:15):
volunteer one year.
You know it was very fun, andthey were in with all their dogs
and I volunteer one year.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
You know it was very fun and they were like doing is
it the dog sled races where theyhave, like the Siberian Huskies
?
Speaker 2 (34:23):
that it's so much fun and like they have a stops.
They did like several dayswhere they're writing dogs and
they have the same for thereindeer.
I haven't been, but I know thatthey do that for the deer, the
reindeer the same thing.
It's like this they have.
Speaker 1 (34:43):
Yeah, the reindeers pull the sleds.
Just like Christmas, right LikeSanta Claus.
Speaker 2 (34:47):
But it's like a part of their life experience.
You know, like their life it'snormal.
For them it's not like it'severyday life.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
That's what I had read.
That's the species of thatreindeer in general.
Basically their whole liferevolved around that.
That's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (35:13):
I eat the meat as well.
Yeah, they eat it.
Speaker 1 (35:16):
I know they eat it.
I eat the meat as well.
Yeah, they eat it, I know theyeat it.
Oh, you did, was it good?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
yeah, very good.
I mean it's different ways tocook it as well, and it's just
they have like a season.
You know where you can also getlike the wild one if you want,
and they have.
You know this.
I go like the normal that it'slike they're just going for that
(35:42):
.
You know to eat it for thewinter, like when it's winter
time, so they used to eat it andyou know then making everything
the same way, like they'redoing with the horses.
Of course it's a very differenttaste of the horse meat and
(36:03):
deer meat.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
I've actually eaten horse meat in Germany.
Speaker 2 (36:08):
In Italy, they eat it as well.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
What's that?
Speaker 2 (36:12):
In Italy they eat horse meat.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
Oh they do.
I didn't know that.
Yeah, I had a horse hot dog andthen we had several different
plates that we shared back andforth amongst a group of guys.
But I remember having a horsehot dog there.
It actually wasn't bad.
I mean, as a hot dog it wasn'tbad.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
It's great that you're open.
You know, for example, inMongolia we eat a lot of horse.
We just eat horse.
I mean it's part of the realitythat you're growing up and
that's part of the.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
But it's wild horses, right, you're killing the wild
horses in Mongolia.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
They have.
You know, it's like I don'tknow how to say it, but it's,
they're growing it.
We're growing it in a normal,you know, just like a lot of
horses.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
Yeah, but I mean they're running wild in Mongolia
, right?
I mean, isn't that kind of partof they're on the desert, I
guess, over?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
there.
They're kind of like not youknow, they're not for themselves
, they're not like free horses,they belong to the families.
Oh, so they're growing like afree horses.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
They belong to the families.
Oh, so they're growing them.
They're growing them for food.
Oh, wow, okay.
Speaker 2 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, no, I've eaten a lot of.
I've eaten a lot of crazy stuffover the years.
I mean I know you don't evensee that as crazy, it's kind of
just normal, Um, but I would saylike, coming from you know the
Western cultures, that'scertainly crazy, right yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:40):
I mean what is crazy.
Sometimes I'm like asking whatis like what?
Speaker 1 (37:45):
is normal.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Like when people growing up in that environment
and they for them, it's normal,Well, every single culture just
uses whatever resources arearound them, right?
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Whatever resources that they grow up around.
And you know, it makes sensethat if you're in the desert in
Mongolia, in the middle ofnowhere, and there's a bunch of
wild horses running around, Imean, what else are you going to
eat, right?
So you find ways to make itedible and good.
And you know, the first time Ihad goat meat was actually in
Jamaica good, and you know thefirst time I had goat meat was
(38:18):
actually in Jamaica.
And coming from you know, Iguess, going back to your
question, like what is crazy?
I think crazy is just anythingthat you've never been exposed
to, right, that's just outsideof your day-to-day norm.
So if you grew up in Mongoliaand you're eating horses all the
time and then all of a suddenyou go to the United States and
there's no horse but there's abunch of hormone injected
(38:40):
chicken and beef, then you thinkthat's crazy, that we're eating
a bunch of hormone injectedfake meat.
So, um yeah, I've traveledaround a lot long enough to know
that the food that we eat inthe United States is just total
trash.
And you know I've, so I'm, andyou know I've, so I'm the first
to admit that the US doesn'thave that figured out.
I mean, I can go.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Sorry I interrupted you, but US doesn't have a
traditions.
You know, that's not like, no,like, it's not like that.
Strong traditions, culture,culture.
You know that culture, forexample, that Italy have, or
Norway or Mongolia.
Yeah we don't have that, youdon't have that culture, and for
example, for me.
(39:21):
I grew up in an environmentwhere I was telling you, it was
like a part of Russia where wehad a lot of horses, a lot of
cows, a lot of like, and it wasnormal to work in that
environment.
But we're like, we milk cows,we milk horses, and it's true,
but like you really do it withyour hands, you know it's a
normal.
It's a normal things to do, youknow, and that's everyone doing
(39:45):
it.
You know all women doing it, sofor them it's normal.
And I remember when I arrivedin Norway and I started to kind
of take care of the horsesnearby because I love horses and
this and I remember one day thehorse give birth to the baby.
You know they give birth to thebaby.
And I came to the lady who wasthinking like it was her like
(40:12):
stale stale, stale, and and theycame like can I?
and ask her like can I milk?
Can I milk the horse please?
Because right now the milk isso rich it's very good for your
health, like it's very good whenyou're drinking it.
It's so good right now, youknow.
So it's not like so fat andit's so rich by like nutrition
(40:32):
and everything you know, becauseI'm drinking a lot of horse
milk when I was growing up.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
But it's like she looked at me like this and she
said, like what?
We never drink horse milk and Isaid to her why.
I mean it's so healthy, it's sohealthy for your health.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Did she let you do it ?
Speaker 2 (40:53):
It's so healthy for your body.
You know, because in my mindhealth did she let you do it for
your body.
You know, because in my mind itwas just like it's a normal way
when you bring up in thatenvironment.
So we used to drink it whenyou're like feeling a lot, a
little bit sick or a little bitnot.
Well, you know, you like.
You know that if you drink alittle bit of kumis it's like a
you know, special thing made ofhorse milk.
Speaker 1 (41:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:14):
And or you're drinking like a horse milk.
That's actually.
It helps you to be, you know,to get more stronger again and
feeling better.
And I kind of grew up with thatmindset and I remember when I
was being sick many times inNorway and I was feeling like
when I found the horse horses, Iwas feeling like when I found
(41:40):
the horse horses I was feelinglike that would be the moment
when I can ask the milk thehorse.
And what this moment camearound I I was very surprised,
like why I cannot do that.
It's like she didn't allow youto do it no, she didn't allow me
to do that and I was a littlebit sad, you know, and was just
laughing at me because they werelike, yeah, because you grew up
(42:01):
in completely different youknow, it's not normal here we
don't do that.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
Well, you're like let me just teach you how.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Yeah, exactly I wanted, but I didn't allow you
even to.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
You're like, if you give me 10 minutes, I can
single-handedly change thisculture and you'll be drinking
horse milk from here on out.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
They told me don't come here anymore, we don't
allow you to come over.
From then I was crazy Wow.
Speaker 1 (42:31):
You've done a lot of cool stuff.
I was reading your website andall that.
I think you've done 60.
I think we said this earlier,but you've done 60 of cool stuff
.
I was reading your website andall that.
I think you've done 60.
I think we said this earlier,but you've done 60 some
countries in total.
What are your favorite three?
Just highlight your favoritethree.
I know you said Norway's topcountry.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
My favorite.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Favorite, no, your favorite country.
Well, we can go through thattoo.
Speaker 2 (42:51):
What's your favorite country?
For me it's.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Italy.
Speaker 2 (42:57):
Italy's your favorite country, italy, italy's your
favorite.
I mean, it's like, of course,portugal is very beautiful, but
italy is so much history, youknow, and it's so much beauty in
this country and it's so muchlike how long have you been in
italy?
many, many, many times so you'refluent in italian as well, I
assume and no, I don't speakitalian yet I I started to learn
and do a lingua.
Right now, paying moreattention towards that.
Um, I just like to travel here.
(43:20):
You know, I, um many years ago,when I wanted to move to italy,
yeah, um, I was like, oh,italian don't speak english.
You know, general like whenyou're walking around, they
don't speak english.
So for me it was a barrierbecause I was like I don't,
italian don't speak English.
You know, generally, like whenyou're walking around, they
don't speak English.
So for me it was a barrierbecause I was like I don't want
to learn a new language again, Ijust want to speak English.
I mean, you know we'll move tothe new country, I just want to
(43:40):
speak English, you know, it'snot, it's too much to spend a
lot of time learning a newlanguage.
Speaker 1 (43:45):
It's a.
Speaker 2 (43:45):
And when I moved to Portugal, of course I fell in
love and I was like, portuguesepeople speak English, everyone,
you know speaking English,everyone is very happy to speak
English.
And I was like, oh, that's nice, you know, I don't need to like
every time having thisconversation where I get to use
vocabulary to like, you know,speak the language.
(44:09):
That was kind of like likeinteresting for me.
Yeah, uh to.
That was one of the part why Idecided to move in portugal and,
of course, it was very, verycheap, compared to italy, for
example.
That time italy is way moreexpensive, you know, two times
more expensive than portugal.
And I was like, oh, if I'mgoing to move to italy or spain,
(44:30):
um, I was like, oh, if I'mgoing to move to Italy or Spain,
I was like, oh, my money isjust enough for like a round
year and I've been moving toPortugal, so my money is enough
for two years and for sure Iwill create something in these
two years in my life duringthese two years in my life and I
started to make money.
That was my kind of mindset inthat moment.
Speaker 1 (44:55):
Yeah, so how are you monetizing all?
How are you planning tomonetize all this?
I mean, I know you have a, aguidebook on your website that
you know the people can read.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
I'm learning I'm learning right now because, you
know, I decided I will probablyright now, um, I have like a two
project that I'm working on.
That's um, you know, part ofthe team.
You know, like it's not just myproject.
It was like, um, I'm a part ofthis project and um, but I will,
I'm on the side.
I'm developing my own, you know, my own things and my things
(45:27):
that I'm like to in the future,just focusing on myself, let's
say, like on my own brand, youknow, bringing my own value and
you know, my own voice to theworld and you know, see how it
goes.
Because I feel like when wesmart and understanding the
(45:48):
value of our time, you know, andI'm just like understanding
what we can do with our time,like us entrepreneurs, for
example, right, I'm just feelinglike my time can cost, let's
say, 100 euro, or my time cancost 10,000 euro or 1 million.
You know, one hour it depends.
(46:10):
It depends, like my mindset,the way I see the time.
You know, one hour it depends.
It depends, like my uh mindset,the way I see the time, you
know.
So, like every time when I'minvesting in a project, I'm just
saying like, okay, if I'minvesting right now my time,
because I'm thinking I'minvesting my time in this
project, you know because, yes,I don't make money right now,
you know, but the thing is, Iwill sell this project.
(46:31):
You know because, yes, I don'tmake money right now, you know,
but the thing is, I will sellthis project or we will get the
first round, for example,investors or something like that
, so I will have enough money tocover my expenses, you know, to
travel or like to do thenetwork or do whatever I have to
do.
The thing is, I learned with thestartup world, being in the
(46:52):
startup world, I have manyfriends who are startuppers, you
know, and they are likeentrepreneurs in San Francisco
or like in California and NewYork, and many of them they
don't have understanding of themoney, they don't have
understanding of the time, andevery time when I'm hanging out
with them, I'm just asking likeguys, you don't have
understanding of the time.
(47:12):
And every time when I'm hangingout with them, I'm just asking
like guys, you don't understandthe value.
Like right now, you receive 50millions and you just spend this
50 minutes in two years becauseyou get to spend it sometimes
somehow, and it's not about that, it's about to create extra of
these 50 millions.
You know to learn how to createextra money out of that and but
(47:36):
they don't think like that,they're just thinking how can
they spend it as fast aspossible, because this is what
they get to do no well, siliconvalley has always all those tech
startups, you know, and I'vedone some work for a couple of
tech companies and it's just amess.
Speaker 1 (47:53):
I mean, and I know there's obviously some very
successful tech companies outthere, but these startups that
get three, four, five milliondollars to build some cold
calling platform, I'm always,you know, I just like to sit
down at lunch sometimes with thepeople that invest in these
idiots and say, why did you justgive that guy $5 million to
(48:15):
build this?
Because you know, my point isthese guys are 22 years old a
lot of them, right, 24 years old, 25 years old, never done
anything, and some PE companygives them $5 million just to
try it.
And you know, I don't eventhink they research it.
Sometimes Some of these techcompanies are so bad that I'm
(48:37):
like did you even do research onthis before you gave this guy
$5 million?
I don't know those techcompanies amaze me at the money
they can get for absolutelynothing, you know.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Yeah, what about have different group of the
investors?
It's like a different levels,how much money you have and the
way you can invest this money.
Like some of, let's say,accelerators and incubators, can
invest $50,000 on the project,but they give you like an office
space, they give you some tools, they give you like this and
this and this, yeah, and youknow, and they have like
(49:13):
accelerators, like a SiliconValley or like more London or
like bigger, you know biggeraccelerators or incubators that
can give you millions.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (49:23):
And that's.
It's a completely differentscale.
And I look, when I started tolearn about startups, it was a
long time ago.
You know it was a long time ago.
You know it was 2015, 2016, andI was invited in many different
startups like a founderinstitute and I was doing like,
uh, I was consulting.
I was doing like differentthings that time and I was
feeling like before, I wouldlike to enter the startup world.
(49:48):
I would love to see the waypeople play there.
And for me because nobody knowwhat they're doing and they
still don't know.
You know they don't know andthey think this is like so much
money there and I'm like I'msaying to them look at all these
platforms.
Right, like we have so manyplatforms.
We meet in the fourth march,for example.
Right, they will have asubscription and I'm just
(50:10):
feeling like all these platformsbeing created, they could just
monetize the things you know.
But the thing is like theydon't need so much money to
monetize thing.
They need money to sustainthemselves.
This is, how much do you needto sustain yourself?
This is why I like the idea ofthe couch surfing.
You know the the way that whenthe couch surfing came out, when
(50:30):
theing, you know the way that,when the couchsurfing came out,
when the hospitality club cameout, many different platforms
that actually have this idea,the way they can sustain
themselves in the future andthey want to raise I'll say
raise the right like the workwith no money on, just like on
their own knowledge, becausethey have I'm working for the
big company, like a Facebook orGoogle, and I have enough money
(50:53):
to sustain myself and I wouldlike to just like do something
good for the community.
You know, like just sharingthis, like the couchsurfing
mentality, for example.
You know like you can travel,you can stay in a different part
of the world, sharing yourculture, sharing your knowledge.
You know, and I'm telling thatthe idea was very beautiful
Right now the cow is in thedescription because they've been
(51:17):
sold to the bigger company.
It seems like the idea in thebeginning was wonderful.
You know the trust roots or bewelcome.
Right now, the idea is to helppeople.
You know like it's the idea ofthat, that we're all equal, that
we have, you know, the rightsto be equal and sharing their,
(51:38):
our thoughts and our ideas.
But the thing is we live in acorporate world where everything
is just so connected and this.
Everything is so corrupt, soit's not easy for the people
like us who believe in who'slike.
I call.
I call us like a idealist.
Uh, we have a utopian mindset,you know.
(51:59):
We're believing in the good,we're like trusting that the
things that we do, it's for thegood, and we do many things
altruistic, not just becausewe're going to make money out of
that, we just believe in theidea.
You know, uh, and I'm tellinglike it's, it's all about
balance.
It's about to find this balancewhat matters for each of us,
(52:22):
because we all have one life,but it thinks it's what I want
to spend my life.
Uh, you know how I want tospend my life, what I want to do
with my life.
Do like, for example, I meetpeople who just traveling all
the time.
They don't have money, but thethings is they just travel and
when they making, or likeworking on the farm or like
somewhere, they're making enoughto go to the next place that
they want to go and explore andthey just threw themselves there
(52:44):
, just staying somewhere,whatever, on the streets,
whatever.
I mean different type of peoplein my life and everyone is just
have the one idea I'm just likeI'm going to travel all my life.
It doesn't matter where I'mgoing to die, you know, and how
I'm going to die, I just want totravel.
And I meet people who liketravel around whole russia, or
like whole central asia, orronald mongolo or china.
(53:06):
I mean, I meet americans, forexample, and was having this
conversation with them why doyou do that?
And they said I just love totravel, that's my.
You know, it's not about for me, it's about money, it's about
traveling, it's about adventure.
Speaker 1 (53:20):
And I said well, I think it's a more fulfilling
life Right?
I mean, if you just if you workyour whole life just for money.
I think most of the guys thatwork their whole lives just for
money get to the age of 80 orwhatever their deathbed age is,
and I think they regret that.
Most of them regret that theyworked their whole lives for
(53:41):
money and I think that the guywho travels and does exactly
what he wants in his life is alot happier.
Those last years yes,personally I do.
It'd be cool if you I think intoday's world you can do both
right With the internet.
I mean, I don't think there'sany reason you can't do both.
Yeah, that wasn't possiblebefore.
(54:02):
What's on your?
What's next on your adventurelist?
Do you have anything planned?
Speaker 2 (54:06):
Well, I'm right now learning how to sail better,
Like my.
Well, I'm right now learninghow to sail better like my
sailing skills.
Yeah, improving my sailingskills, because in the future
I'm thinking like future, like Iwant to, you know, practice
more sailing.
And like five years, probablyfrom now, maybe 10 years from
now, I would love to go on anadventure around the world,
sailing around.
Speaker 1 (54:26):
You know, I told you I'm in the yacht business right.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
What.
Speaker 1 (54:30):
I didn't tell you I'm in the yacht business, right
what I didn't tell you, I'm inthe yacht business no.
Yeah, I'm a yacht broker inMiami.
I didn't tell you that.
Speaker 2 (54:37):
No, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (54:39):
Oh yeah, I'm actually leaving next week to go back
because we have FLIBS, which isFort Lauderdale International
Boat Show.
It's the biggest yacht show onthe water in the world, so I'm
going back next week for that.
So, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (54:54):
They have like a yacht show here in Monaco.
Speaker 1 (54:56):
Yeah, I know they do.
Speaker 2 (54:58):
And you know it's very nice.
It's a little bit differentthan Miami.
I just saw some very it'sfamilies.
You know it's like a familyowns and people more older.
Yeah, send me some informationon those.
I would love to do that,because the beauty of this
(55:22):
business is it doesn't matterwhere you are.
I would love to be like a yachtbroker.
That would be fun.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (55:25):
So the beauty of it is, if someone calls arabia
right, uh, to be their broker,and you find a buyer in italy,
you can do that.
It doesn't have to be just inthe us okay which is pretty cool
.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
It's pretty cool but I don't know so much about the
yacht right now.
You know, I'm just starting tolearn the difference between
sailing boats.
Like you know this sailboat,like different names and
different like um companies.
So, like their, their, theirstory, you know, because when
they started to do the sails,it's uh, you know that's
(56:01):
different between you know themotorboats and sailboats and
catamarans and it's different,it's like a different things and
I understood, like sailing, um,well, selling is different than
most of what we do.
Speaker 1 (56:14):
I mean most of what we're doing is motor yachts
right, super any.
I mean anything from even likea two hundred thousand dollar
boston whaler up to you know, upto the top.
Speaker 2 (56:23):
I mean as big as you can go you know, boats here in
europe is actually cheaper than,for example, boats in america
is that right?
And yeah.
Well, everything's cheaper thanit is in America because America
is ridiculous, for example,marina where I'm staying right
now in Lisbon, we're paying.
It's in the center of theLisbon, you know center
(56:44):
historical part is just like 15minutes to the oldest historical
thing that we all like bars,and, you know, restaurants yeah
um, it's like for the biggerboat, like a middle, middle side
boat, it's 2 000 euro a yearwow to rent it or own it no, if
you own the boat and you'reputting it in marina, it's 2 000
(57:07):
euro a year oh, that's not badand bad.
And for the small ones it's1,200.
It's in the center of Lisbon.
Speaker 1 (57:16):
Wow, that's cheap.
Speaker 2 (57:17):
It's super cheap.
You know, I'm just like you buy, like, for example, like I want
to buy the boat next year, butI was like pushed to learn.
You know a little bit which oneI want to buy.
But the thing is like I'mthinking it's nothing like what
I'm paying just $1,200 for you.
I'm paying for the apartment$1,200, $1,500, you know, a
month.
Right, right and if I'm likeowning the boat and even just
(57:40):
parking it over there, but it'sa nice, you know.
If it's like a middle side boat, for the one person it's enough
, you know, and you haveeverything in.
It's like you have a waterthere, you have electricity, you
have everything.
And I've been, I lived in theboat.
So like I like it, you know,it's like you always say you did
live on the boat.
Yeah, I live in the boat Like awhile in Miami Florida as well.
(58:03):
Oh, that's awesome.
Speaker 1 (58:04):
Did you wait?
Did you see about the guy?
There's a guy in Tampa theycalled him Lieutenant Dan.
He has a little 22-footsailboat and they were trying to
beg him to leave the sailboatduring the hurricane and go to
shelter and he totally refused.
He was like no, I'll be fine.
He's made it through twohurricanes now just living on
(58:24):
his boat and he's become prettyfamous on social media for it.
Did you see?
Speaker 2 (58:28):
that guy?
No, I haven't, you should lookthis guy up.
Speaker 1 (58:32):
They offered him $100,000 to if he made it
through it.
Someone offered him $100,000 ifhe lived, and he lived, and
then they reneged the offer,which was kind of messed up.
It's like you can't just offerdude $100,000 and stay out there
and risk his life and then takethe money back, right.
Speaker 2 (58:50):
Well, that's you know .
I feel like some people justlike to talk.
Speaker 1 (58:55):
Yeah for sure, so for those people that are looking
to kind of travel, blend thatwith work and entrepreneurship,
what's your advice to help themfulfill their goals?
Speaker 2 (59:11):
Doing a little bit research.
Uh, first, before you're goingsomewhere, do some research on
on where you want to go, justlike little research.
And, uh, you know, and watchmaybe some videos of the people
who already done it, if nobodydone it.
So, just you know, go and Don'tbe scared to travel.
I believe the whole world isour family.
(59:33):
You know, it's everywhere thatyou go, people want to help you,
people want to support you,people want to love you, people
want to stay with you and once,like you, stay with them.
And that's the reality of youknow, the reality of our reality
, that we're living like ourworld is a family.
You know the reality of ourreality that we're living like
all world is a family.
You know, and that's and that'smy interpretation, and this is
(59:56):
how I live and this is my lifethat's been my uh, that's been
my experience.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
That's been my experience for sure I've.
I've been welcomed with openarms everywhere.
I've gone and made friendsaround the world because of it.
So I think you're dead on withthat.
Um, how do people reach out toyou if they want to connect?
Speaker 2 (01:00:15):
well, they can go to my website, aishatoday, and they
can book.
You know, have a book time withme.
They could connect through theum, the calendari, or like
through the link there or go tomy instagram account it's
bigbossbaby777 aishatoday is thewebsite yes, and also my book
(01:00:40):
on Amazon right now, JoyfulLiving Guidebook.
You just write Joyful LivingGuidebook and you will see
different platforms right now soyou can order it on Amazon in
the United States.
You can right now order it inEurope.
You can like it's worldwide.
Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Awesome, sounds good.
Hey, I absolutely enjoyedhaving you on.
Thank you so much, this wasawesome.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Thank you, Matt.
I think we brought a lot ofreally good travel advice to the
world.
World is family.
Now we are family.
Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Exactly, exactly.
You met another friend today,exactly.
Thank you so much for joiningme on this episode of Matt
Chambers Connects.
Stay tuned for upcomingepisodes where we'll dive deeper
into these two fascinatingworlds.
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