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Meredith's husband (00:00):
Well, I want
to talk about something that
you mentioned last week.
Meredith (00:03):
Oh.
Meredith's husband (00:03):
You came
home from one of your online
courses and said something thatsomeone else had said.
Meredith (00:09):
I came home after an
online course.
Meredith's husband (00:10):
Well, you
got up from your desk and told
me about it.
Yes, and somebody saidsomething about AI.
I don't remember what it was.
I was kind of surprised to hearit, but I guess there are still
lots of misconceptions outthere about.
Meredith (00:24):
AI, about AI, yeah,
yeah.
Meredith's husband (00:27):
I mean,
we've talked about it a little
bit, but I guess there are stillpeople left on the planet who
haven't listened to this,Believe it or not most people
when they have questions aboutAI, they don't do anything about
them.
Meredith (00:41):
You research them.
Meredith's husband (00:43):
So we're
going to do an episode about
them.
You research them, so we'regoing to do an episode.
I'm going to talk about common,what I think or what has been
reported as commonmisconceptions about AI.
Oh yeah, I'm going to ask youif you think they are common
based on what you're hearing inyour online groups.
Meredith (00:56):
Yes.
Meredith's husband (00:57):
And I'll
either debunk or confirm them.
Meredith (01:00):
I enter the ring.
Meredith's husband (01:02):
You can then
pass this episode around.
Meredith (01:04):
Oh, I can, when you
hear people saying things about
AI.
Meredith's husband (01:07):
Yeah, yeah,
okay.
So I'm just going to go throughthe list.
Meredith (01:11):
Sounds good.
Meredith's husband (01:13):
Number one
AI is autonomous.
So people think that AI canoperate like a human being, like
it's free, it can go doanything, it can get anywhere,
it can get any information.
It operates independently frompeople, basically.
Meredith (01:28):
Like it can go and do
projects on its own without any
human prompts.
Meredith's husband (01:33):
Like it can
go get information from anywhere
you ask it a question, it comesback with the right answer.
You don't know where, when, toget it it just it found the
information.
Meredith (01:43):
I think that's not
true, because it gets most of it
from Google.
Meredith's husband (01:48):
Well, that's
what I have told you.
But my question is do you thinkin your experience do other
people just in general kind ofthink this is true?
Meredith (01:57):
Yeah, yeah, because
somebody said oh, I wrote
something on Facebook and now myAI had it with my reviews, or
something like that.
Meredith's husband (02:06):
Okay.
So, yes, you are correct.
It gets well right now most ofits information from Google,
right?
Not all, and that will probablycontinue to expand, but it has
to.
Ai has to have a set of datathat it looks to, and when it
gives you a response, it mightseem like really good advice,
but it's basically just aconglomeration of other stuff
(02:30):
that it found online.
Meredith (02:32):
Right and I know, when
I was looking for the history
of somebody's employment, thatthe first information that Chad
EG gave was what they had put onLinkedIn.
Meredith's husband (02:47):
Sure and
that was.
Meredith (02:48):
and I said no,
actually that's false.
Can you give some furtherinformation?
And then she said oh, I canlook into these, these would you
like?
Meredith's husband (02:57):
And I said
yeah, so what it probably did
and this might not be exactlyright, but it probably went to
Google, did a search, found thefirst link about that person's
work history, that was on.
Linkedin.
Meredith (03:08):
Yeah.
Meredith's husband (03:09):
Found that
and you said no, and then it dug
deeper into Google and foundother results.
That's probably what happened.
Now it could also you know, aiengines don't have to use Google
.
They could use something else,like they could use Bing.
They could use something elseLike they could use Bing.
They could use LinkedIn, likethere could be an AI engine
that's just for LinkedIn, orthey could use something like
(03:31):
Wikipedia, but it's got to usean existing set of information.
Meredith (03:34):
Could they go through
the meta channels things we post
on Facebook in private groups-no, not in private.
Meredith's husband (03:44):
If you need
to enter a password as a user to
get to something, it means AIis not going to have information
.
It's not going to have thosecredentials, it can't get to
that information.
Meredith (03:52):
Facebook, Instagram
Unless the pages are public.
Meredith's husband (03:55):
If the pages
on Facebook are public, meaning
you can just open a browser andgo to that page without logging
in, then fair game yes,interesting.
Meredith (04:04):
Okay, that helps.
Meredith's husband (04:05):
Number two
AI understands things like
humans.
It's artificial intelligence.
Do you think people feel thatway?
Yes, people, yeah, I thinkthat's probably people do.
Okay, so AI doesn't understandthings the way that you and I
think of understanding things.
Meredith (04:25):
Probably.
Meredith's husband (04:29):
It predicts
things, it predicts words.
It predicts outcomes based ontraining how the AI model was
trained and based on whatinformation is in their data set
.
Meredith (04:40):
And I figure that will
increase at a galactic level.
Meredith's husband (04:45):
It will get
better and better.
Yes, they will get better andbetter, but just by definition.
No, it does not understandthings, it just predicts things
using existing information.
Meredith (04:54):
Yeah, that's hard for
my brain too.
Meredith's husband (04:56):
So it is
hard, because it'll say
something that's.
Meredith (04:59):
Oh, I understand how
you're feeling, because blah,
blah.
Meredith's husband (05:03):
Yes, yeah,
it does.
It has a very nice, it fakes itreally well.
Meredith (05:07):
It really does.
Meredith's husband (05:09):
But if you
actually go and I did this you
can actually go to ChatGT andask it like hey, how do you
learn things, how do youunderstand, how do you do this?
It will start to explain it toyou and I got to say it doesn't
help much, it's still reallyconfusing.
Meredith (05:22):
Okay.
Meredith's husband (05:23):
So it
started like one of the things
that it told me.
One of the first things whichjust confused me more than
anything was when it's puttingtogether a sentence, it's really
just according to probability,deciding on the next word to put
in that sentence.
And I was like whatKadrillionth of a second?
So I said in response to chatat GGPT you mean it's so you're
(05:44):
kind of giving me like theaverage of all the information
that's out there?
And it said like yeah, kind ofsort of Like I mean that is a
vast oversimplification.
Meredith (05:55):
But yeah, dinosaur-da.
Meredith's husband (05:58):
Okay, number
three AI is always correct,
whatever it says.
That's correct, right, okay?
So do you think that otherpeople think that?
Is that a common misconception,do you think?
Meredith (06:07):
I don't know, I don't
know.
I think people are still kindof fearful of its power, right.
Meredith's husband (06:13):
Okay, I
think people are still kind of
fearful of its power, right?
Okay, well, I don't thinkpeople should be fearful of the
AI that you and I are usingright now.
It's the AI that's going to bedeveloped in the future.
Meredith (06:23):
Yeah, it's all kind of
.
You know, it's like an octopusit's all part Many legs, many
little suction cups, each withtheir own brain, but all part of
the same octopus which youshould never eat, exactly.
Yay, we love them.
Meredith's husband (06:39):
So yes, ai
can produce incorrect
information, and do itconfidently.
Meredith (06:46):
Yes, they say that at
the bottom.
Meredith's husband (06:48):
Yeah, true,
but I've done this.
I went to Google AI mode andasked about some stuff about SEO
and it gave me flat-outinformation that was wrong,
really.
I know it was wrong Really, andI thought it was ironic because
it seemed to be coming straightfrom Google, right, but it's
basically it's just based onother blogs out there saying X,
(07:09):
y, z.
So you're only.
On the whole, the internet isprobably more or less accurate,
hopefully more accurate than anyinaccurate, but there's a lot
of inaccuracies.
Meredith (07:20):
Yeah, there's a lot,
see, because I thought that if I
asked a question to AI, itwould be able to cut through the
all the reviews, the paidreviews.
Meredith's husband (07:31):
Right, yeah,
no, not really.
And that was one of the reallybig problems when Google rolled
out one of its first versionsLike AI you know, can't really
tell the difference between awebsite like the Onion and the
Wall Street Journal Like and soit started coming up with you
know, I think the example wasrecipes for a pizza that
(07:52):
included things like glue andsparkles Like yeah no, I think
you misunderstood.
Meredith (07:57):
That included things
like glue and sparkles Like yeah
, no, I think you misunderstoodsomething there.
Meredith's husband (08:01):
Oh, that's
funny.
Okay, so number four.
Meredith (08:02):
Yeah.
Meredith's husband (08:03):
So AI is
completely objective.
How about that?
Not necessarily accurate, butit is objective.
This one's a little, I guess alittle.
Meredith (08:13):
It's a little vague
because I'm trying to figure out
what objective you mean.
Meredith's husband (08:18):
Well, it
doesn't Okay.
So something can happen in thenews, right, fox is going to
report it one way and the NewYork Times is going to report
the same thing in an entirelydifferent way.
Is AI going to choose acompletely objective or is it
going to have a let's call it anopinion?
One way or the other.
Meredith (08:36):
I would think it would
not have an opinion.
Meredith's husband (08:40):
Well, you're
correct, it does not have an
opinion.
But again, it's going to followthe bias that is out there.
If the internet that it's usingthe set of it, the data set, if
it's 80% biased in onedirection and 20% in the other
direction, the responses thatyou're going to get are going to
be 80% biased in one and 20%.
It's not going to realize thatthere's some sort of middle
(09:03):
ground.
And try to calculate that.
Meredith (09:04):
It doesn't recognize
performance from fact.
Meredith's husband (09:07):
I guess.
So yes, another one number fiveAI can create new things like
truly original things.
Meredith (09:15):
No, no, no it cannot.
Meredith's husband (09:16):
Do you think
that's a common belief or do
you think a lot of people stillthink, oh, it can create new
stuff, sure.
Meredith (09:22):
I don't think so,
because a lot of the people that
I interact with are artists.
Meredith's husband (09:26):
Yeah.
Meredith (09:26):
And there's a lot of,
let's say, energy around that.
Meredith's husband (09:30):
Yes, I
understand.
Yeah, absolutely.
It cannot be truly original.
Anything it comes back with isgoing to be somehow remixed,
learned information or maybecombined.
It might seem new, but it's not.
By definition cannot be trulyoriginal.
Meredith (09:50):
Yeah, it's often
really cheesy sometimes, yeah,
yeah.
Meredith's husband (09:52):
Yeah, and
that's getting better.
That's something that I thinkis improving.
But, yeah, true creativity,originality, empathy.
Okay, number six, somewhatrelated AI can think ethically
or morally, like it knows what'sethically right and wrong.
Meredith (10:09):
I would say no to that
.
Meredith's husband (10:11):
And what do
you think other people would say
?
Meredith (10:14):
I don't know.
Meredith's husband (10:15):
That's right
.
That's right, that's correct.
It does not have any values.
This, to me, is kind of thescary part.
Meredith (10:20):
Yeah, that's also.
That goes on the rack.
Meredith's husband (10:24):
Any ethical
or moral guidelines that it does
seem to have?
Were basically Put there by theteam that developed it.
Meredith (10:32):
Okay, and that also.
Then can that be?
Yeah?
Meredith's husband (10:36):
and that's
why this is, that's why it's
scary to me.
Yeah that's so.
Let's get off of this one.
Meredith (10:41):
Yeah, let's move on to
something a little more.
Here's a.
Meredith's husband (10:43):
I've got two
more.
Meredith (10:44):
Good.
These are my favorites.
Good.
Meredith's husband (10:46):
Number seven
.
Meredith (10:47):
Yes.
Meredith's husband (10:48):
AI is going
to replace all jobs.
Meredith (10:50):
Not all jobs.
A lot of jobs, yes, a lot ofjobs, a lot of jobs.
It will.
Meredith's husband (10:56):
I hear this
one a lot.
I hear there's a lot of talkabout needing to use a universal
basic income because there'sgoing to be no jobs left,
because AI is doing everything.
Yeah, so we're not going to havejobs, we're all just going to
get money?
I don't think so.
I think about it like this sortof thing has happened many
times in history.
Yeah, think about theIndustrial Revolution.
Yeah, you know, from what Iunderstand, before the
(11:19):
Industrial Revolution, like 75,80 percent of people worked in
the farming industry.
Whoa, yeah.
Now those jobs vastlydisappeared.
Now, if you had asked thosepeople beforehand hey, what's
going to happen to your job?
Yeah, it's going to be gone.
Well then, what are you goingto do?
They wouldn't be like, oh, Iguess I'm going to do nothing.
Guess what New jobs wereinvented?
(11:41):
You've got new stuff to do.
Meredith (11:43):
Always pivoting At a
little more rapid pace now.
Meredith's husband (11:52):
Yeah, now,
good point.
For example, like the kidstoday, even kids in college,
whatever their career is goingto be, it probably doesn't exist
yet.
Right, just like me, that'strue for me.
Like, if you ask me in college,what are you going to do?
There was no such thing as SEO,but same thing, so I want
that's.
Something I wonder is, likewhat are kids learning today in
(12:12):
school?
Meredith (12:13):
To be an influencer.
Yeah, that's something I wonderis like what are kids learning
today in school?
Meredith's husband (12:16):
To be an
influencer?
Yeah, so that I do expect, andthat's probably going to be
rocky.
I mean, that's going to be abumpy ride.
Meredith (12:21):
And writing.
People who are writers Correct.
Even photographers are gettinghit.
Meredith's husband (12:27):
Some
photographers.
Yeah, what I see happening inphotography.
I don't think AI is going toreplace what you do.
You photograph children.
If you're, say, a weddingphotographer, ai is not going to
be able to create photos ofyour wedding like things that
actually happened.
(12:48):
It's not like an actualsnapshot of something that
actually happened?
Meredith (12:53):
This is true.
Meredith's husband (12:53):
Just like if
it could recreate a picture of
your kid.
Sure Is it going to be anactual picture of your kid.
No, it can't do that Right.
Meredith (13:01):
But here's my question
Will it matter?
Meredith's husband (13:03):
Well, I
would think as a parent it would
.
Meredith (13:05):
I would think so.
Meredith's husband (13:06):
And I would
think as a married person.
I'm not a parent, so I don'tknow, but I would think as a not
no.
As a married person, I don'twant to look at fake images from
my wedding like so yes, thereis an insane amount of photos
being produced by ai.
Yeah, but they're to me anyway.
They're not the type of photosthat people are hiring and
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paying photographers to takethat's what the hope is.
Yes.
Meredith (13:33):
But people can take a
you know a picture from that.
You just send them off yourphone and create a headshot with
it, with any background.
Meredith's husband (13:41):
Yeah,
headshot photographers would
probably be the first ones.
Meredith (13:45):
Yeah that's what I'm
afraid of, Maybe we'll see.
Back to good things.
Meredith's husband (13:50):
Number eight
, this is my favorite AI is a
black box that nobodyunderstands, and I'll tell you
why I think that thismisconception exists.
It's because, a lot of times,the people who created AI,
they'll say things like yeah, wedon't really fully understand
(14:12):
how it works.
Meredith (14:14):
And so that's a sort
of frightening statement yeah,
yeah, I don't think anybodythinks it's a black box
somewhere.
Meredith's husband (14:21):
Well, not
technically.
I mean a black box like youdon't know what's happening
inside.
Meredith (14:26):
Oh, that's very
different.
I thought you meant like aphysical metal black box in the
desert somewhere.
Meredith's husband (14:31):
No, that's
not it.
I don't think.
Meredith (14:34):
Okay, ask it again.
Meredith's husband (14:37):
AI is a
black box that nobody
understands.
So questions go into the blackbox, answers come out.
Nobody has any idea how ithappens.
Meredith (14:43):
I don't think it's.
Nobody has any idea.
I don't think that's true, isit?
Meredith's husband (14:48):
No, but
there are there.
You know, like I said, thepeople who created it.
They don't even fullyunderstand it.
Meredith (14:54):
Really Like they don't
know exactly.
Meredith's husband (14:56):
It's a big
shift from the way programming
has always been.
Programming has always been avery specific you know exactly
how it works.
You write lines of code.
Ai is a bit different.
Meredith (15:07):
Okay.
Meredith's husband (15:08):
And this is,
I think, probably the most
interesting thing about AI rightnow is we don't really know
where it's going.
So imagine you've written AI.
Okay, you write, say, chatGPT-1, for example.
Yeah, and you know, as someonewho developed it, you have a
pretty good understanding of howit works, right, okay, so you
also use chat GPT-1 to help youdevelop chat GPT-2.
(15:33):
Correct, okay, so chat GPT-1 tohelp you develop chat GPT-2.
Correct, okay, so chat GPT-2,.
You don't really have as muchunderstanding.
And then you use chat GPT-2 tohelp you develop chat GPT-3.
Right, and then four, and thenfive, and then six.
At some point you haveliterally no clue what's
happening.
Meredith (15:50):
Yeah, it's kind of
like when you do a play and a
moment kind of happens and thenyou redo that moment and then as
an actor it becomes stale.
So you try and make it freshand then it's so far from the
actual point that you have tocut it because it's a little bit
indulgent.
Meredith's husband (16:10):
Yeah, you
would have to cut that part.
Not that I would ever do thatso that that, by the way, is my
favorite, because that's the bigquestion mark.
Like we don't, in five years,ten years, we don't even know
how long it's going to be but aiis going to create the next ai,
and then we're not going tohave any idea how it works whoa,
that's pretty, that's pretty,cray, cray it's pretty creepy or
(16:32):
yeah, yeah, it's pretty.
Uh, let's not call it creepylet's not call it.
Meredith (16:35):
It's pretty cray cray.
It's pretty creepy.
Meredith's husband (16:37):
Or yeah,
it's pretty, let's not call it
creepy, let's not call it creepy.
It's pretty, it's creepy.
Well, it's creepy, it's creepy,okay.
But what I think you can takeaway from all this stuff as a
website owner is when you go toChatGPT or Google AI Mode or
Perplexity or whatever you'regoing to use to help you create
your blog.
Let's say, for example, it's agreat tool to brainstorm and can
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give you ideas.
But just know that, yeah,things can be incorrect.
You might want to double checkstuff.
Meredith (17:03):
Where would you double
check it?
Meredith's husband (17:05):
Well, you
can go online and just check or
ask it to check more sources,right?
Sometimes I've just I've askedChatGPT for something and it
gives me a result, and it didn'treally seem right and so I
asked is this right or something?
And it was like, oh good catch.
Meredith (17:19):
No, yeah, yeah, I get
a lot of good catches.
Meredith's husband (17:21):
Yeah, so
just know that.
Don't plug something in andthink you're going to get the
ultimate correct, unbiasedresult all the time.
Meredith (17:30):
Yeah, okay, that's
good to know.
Meredith's husband (17:32):
And then,
what else should people take
away from this?
Meredith (17:34):
I think people should
also take away the fact that,
for example, when digitalphotography came, everyone
thought that was going to be theend of film.
Right, it wasn't.
People still do film.
It's kind of coming back as aniche, but things, the world
that we're living in right now,things are going so fast and
there's so much informationThings are going so fast and
there's so much information Veryfast, and I would say, I think
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for probably all of us, your jobmight be at risk.
Meredith's husband (18:00):
Yeah, but
how can you take that and
translate it into something thatonly a person can do?
There's always going to be waysto do that.
Meredith (18:07):
Haircutters, yeah,
hairstylists.
Meredith's husband (18:10):
Like
elevator repairman.
Meredith (18:11):
Yeah, like one of my
Repair people.
Meredith's husband (18:14):
Repair
person, one of my colleagues.
I was just talking to him theother day and his son decided
not to go to college.
He's going to go into HVACrepair and I'm like, actually
that's kind of brilliant.
Meredith (18:26):
Wait, what kind of
repair.
Meredith's husband (18:27):
Hvac is like
your AC.
It's like your heating andcooling for a building.
Yep, seriously, and I was likeyeah, the traits Like that's
something right there.
Meredith (18:37):
It would be very
interesting if blue collar all
of a sudden became white collarand things change.
Meredith's husband (18:43):
I don't rule
that out.
Meredith (18:44):
That would be kind of
wonderful.
Meredith's husband (18:47):
So something
you can do If you're having a
conversation with anyone andthey seem to suggest any of
these things.
You think they believe any ofthese things.
Do them a favor and forwardthem this episode.
There you go.