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March 23, 2025 • 31 mins

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Ever noticed how some people seem to move through chaos with a steady grace, while others create more chaos and disconnection in their wake?

It has to do with the power they access.  But when we shift from seeing power as a control to understanding it as a path to more steadiness and deeper connection, we open ourselves up to a more sustainable way of being in the world.

Those moments when you feel truly seen, supported, and capable... they come from a different kind of power dynamic. One that lifts everyone up rather than keeping others down.

The way we hold power determines whether we feel exhaustion or a sense of steady calm.

This week, Karlee explores the four types of power to help you pinpoint whether power is being used to fragment or unite. Because when you're not operating from a place of scarcity and fear, you get to create spaces where everyone can thrive. And that changes everything.

In this episode, you’ll learn to recognize the different ways power shows up in your life and work. You'll hear how power over dynamics often lead to exhaustion, while power to, power with, and power within create steadiness and connection. You'll also hear about what Karlee calls "the Godzilla effect"—when someone's words and actions don't match, and what to do about it. 

If you’re ready to find more steadiness and clarity in how you move through chaos, then this episode is for you.


What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

  • (1:41) Understanding what power isn’t—and why it’s not about control
  • (7:14) How power plays into the way we lead and connect with others
  • (8:54) An intro to the four types of power and how to use them wisely
  • (16:01) Cultivating power within as your anchor
  • (20:45) Why community care is especially important right now


Resources Mentioned in this Episode:

Episode 58: Being Lied To? The 4 Types of Power and What to Do When What Someone Says, And What They Do, Are Different

Research Paper: Brene Brown on Power and Leadership


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