December 9, 2025 • 29 mins
Still cant believe it, but Edwin Diaz has signed with the Los Angeles Dodgers on a 3 year $69m contract. This is a brutal look for the Mets, here are our reactions to the news
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So you guys saw Edwin, Diz Dodgers, not happy, not happy.
This is this the first time in a long time
I felt like the Mets are a bit embarrassing, more
embarrassing than they have been in a while. It's it's unacceptable, James,
It's unacceptable. I don't know you're gonna Are you gonna
try to spin it positive? Are you? Or you're gonna
go negative all too Well. Here's what I'm gonna say
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is that I think this is gonna be like a
Choose Druid Venture episode for you guys. The first ten
minutes or so, well, how long it's going to go emotions, feelings, sadness,
talking about when DS. I think after that, at least
from my perspective, I'm going to try and weave in
some baseballs, try to do some Devil's advocac I'm understanding.
So if you don't want to listen to that, I'll
let you know when to cut this off and have
the episode you want. If you do want that, start
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skipping ahead now. But this is this is a gut punch.
This is, like you said, the first time in the
New Era that it's been like oh we like we lost, Yeah,
off the field. We lose on the field still a lot,
but the first time off the field, it felt like
we lost. Yeah, it's a it's bad. It's a bad look.
I think it's a bad feel. It's all things, like
every single way that I see this, Edwin Diaz not
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coming back to the Mets from the money side, from
the if he didn't want to come back, Like, there's
no positive that I can take out of this. There's
nothing that feels good. Devin Williams is worse than Edwin Daz, edwind.
He has one of the best closers in baseball. The
Mets stunk with Edwin Diaz last year. Maybe people will say, well,
we've stunk with him, we'll stink without him or will
be doesn't really matter. I just don't know how this
bullpen is good without Edwin Daz. I have no idea,
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Like even if Devin Williams, because I don't think he
goes back to being Brewers Devin Williams. That feels like
insane to ask. But even if he's good, he's still
not Edwin Diaz good like. And then to see the
contract three years, three years is crazy. It feels like
the exact thing that you got for was Andrew Friedman's
quote where he's like, if you try and nitpick over
like years in contracts and money, you end up signing nobody.
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It seems like the Mets did that to a t
with Edwin Daz. Yeah, that quotes if you try to
be sensible about every free agent, you will not sign
any free agent. But I mean, it seems like no
one wanted to give Edwin Diaz a fourth year and
all of baseball. Yes, but side he signed to three? Sure,
but like also again like then then we're trying to
be a little bit too sensible, like Edwin for four
for eighty probably comes. I think that the Mets might
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have made a bet that no matter what, Edwind Diaz
wanted to come back for a similar offer. That bet,
that's the bet that was wrong. Yeah, so then so
then now why the fuck did he want to come back?
That's the other part too, because there are two sides
of the same point, it's hard to figure out which
is worse. If the Mets just got straight up beat
Edwin das they didn't match or exceed the offer, which
that might be what they thought was best, but doesn't
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seem right right now. But the other side of that
if they did match the offer. And now we have
reports coming out that the Mets final offer was three
for sixty six, which is basically the same. It's one
million dollars per year, and ours had slight deferrals. I'm sure.
I'm sure the Dodgers had significant deferrals. So Dodgers don't
have deferrals apparently as of right now, oh, zero deferrals. Ok,
right now, there's been no reports to Dodger deferrals. I've seen.
We did get beat but from Joel Sherman and Anthony Dicomo.
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Apparently the Mets indicated the Das that there was we
we have more, Fore you come back with another offer,
will beat it. But he went to the Dodgers signed
on the spot. Yeah, it's so, which of those is worse? Both? Dot?
Can they both be the worst? Can we have two
of the worst, because I mean, listen, he like Dodgers.
You want to win. Dodgers are gonna win. Like that's
they have the best chance to win a World Series
every time. If edwin, Diaz wants to chase the bag
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and also get a ring, there's no better place than
the Dodgers. But it's just crazy to me that even if,
like I understand, the Mets didn't have I guess, the
chance to come back, possibly because of that three for
sixty nine. But then surely Diaz in his camp knew
that the Mets were never gonna beat that. Surely if
they didn't go back to I don't know, to hear
that there's wiggle room, but then find out that you
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lost is a weird scenario for me from both sides.
And it's strange the way his reporting is coming out,
because this is this comes directly from Anthony Tocomo. I'm
told the Mets offer edwin Ds three years, sixty six
million dollars with slight deferrals and indicated they had some
room to improve the figure. Di has chose the Dodgers'
offer instead. Someone replied the cucle back to the Mets
to give them the last offer, and Tacomo said, the
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understanding is no. It's weird. So then like he wanted
the Dodgers more than the Mets wanted him, and it
seems like there could have been some room to navigate
that middle ground. But it seems like there was kind
of a mutual understanding there that we're not gonna be
together anymore. Yeah, I mean that that sucks. If he
just wants to be here, that sucks too. I think
that's a bad look. I also think just being not
the top offer, not being the top bit is also
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a terrible, terrible look, especially because the conversation had all
been four versus five years for the contracts. Really all
off season was would the Mets give a fifth? If
the Mets gave a fourth, he's here. The Mets gave
four years, he's here. It doesn't seem like the Dodgers
would have given four, but also shows how little we
know because that's what we thought, but this happening inside
and again the fact that no one in all of
baseball is willing to do that, which is why we thought.
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We told you guys this mere hours ago that we
thought this Edwin Dyes thing would stretch for another month
or two because it seemed like he would be kind
of stead fans watching a fourth or at the time
we thought, possibly a fifth year. The fact that he
signed as one of the next big dominoes to fall
in free agency altogether is shocking, especially when it is
only for those three years. And that's the part, that's
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the part that hurts when you saw those When Ken
Rosenthal threeed three years, I was in the middle of
recording my video, I almost fell to my knees. I
almost was like, are you kidding me? We couldn't beat
her three year deal? Because even even three for sixty nine. Again,
I understand that to night might not have been able
to go back and encounter from what everyone's saying, but like, damn,
three for seven he gets the deal done. Is that
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what I'm hearing? Or does he really just not want
to be here? And then again, what is that's? You?
What is the problem? That might have been the worst
part of this because not beating it, like these offers
wound up being basically the same. You know what I mean?
You have to get an extra ish relatively get extra
million per year depending on how to Furrel's work out,
but you also have to move across the country, change
your whole life. That sucks. It's the fact that he
was like, no, I'd actually rather go there. I think
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that's the part that hurts me more. Yeah, the only
rationale that I can have that doesn't hurt me is
because he wants to win. He wants to have the
best chance at winning that's the worst one. That well,
that's the worst one for actual for vibes and everything
going on with all the bullshit we've heard this offseason.
Is there a problem Eric Schavez goes was fucking Instagram
that asshole and starts posting about Edwin Diaz laughing signing
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with the Dodgers. Is there something we don't fucking know?
Is there more? It seems like there might be. Maybe
he just hates the mess because the way this whole
thing ended. Maybe he feels slighted because he had to
deal with a second hitting coach that had access to
Excel and biomechanical data and he didn't think that stuff
had a place in baseball. But it is. It's a
strange feeling, and it is a strange feeling now around
baseball because again, going back to those three years, the
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AAV for those three years is irrelevant. I don't who cares.
You get one of the best closes in baseball for
three years when the mark you thought the market was
dictating four or five and clearly the Dodgers and the
Mets both signified yeah, will make him the highest AV
closer by a lot. Don't care, It doesn't matter. It's
just the fact that that's where it ended. It seemed
to end someone abruptly is painful, especially like I don't know,
like we get a little nostalgic by Edwin Diaz asn't met. Now,
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give me like one more minute of just being like
this is also a really bad look for the front
office to lose everyone, to lose Edwin Diaz by three
million dollars, Like whether or not you had the opportunity
to go back or not, Like you probably had an
idea what the offers were gonna be and you were
not the highest bidder. I understand you don't want to
bit against yourself. That's bad practice, but like, give him
the what did you want, Edwin? What did you want
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to come back? Unless he lied to them, Yeah, whether
he were just taken the Mets next offer and got
back to Dodgers, or whether if he didn't even want
to hear the Mets next offer because Dodgers said this
is best and final. If you go back to the
Mets were not beating it, How that makes you feel
even worse? But that I think that's what I'm getting
out here. I'll say this out of all things, and
I think people are gonna hate me for saying this.
I'm not mad at Edwin Diaz. I never get mad
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at the player for this kind of No. Of course,
get what you want, get your bag, gets what you want,
go win. But like from the Mets side, the front office,
this is, this is legitimately the first time I've been
very disappointed in the Mets front office and David Stearns.
It does feel like trying to thread the needle again,
trying to thread the needle. I can understand the fans
being like, it's Milwaukee Mets. I get it. I totally
get I know it's not, but I get why people
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would have that feeling because the initial reaction when I
saw this was like cheap, Mets are cheap. This is
It is an embarrassing law to lose Edwin dis to
the Dodgers like this. It's also I think the more
embarrassing thing is that he didn't want to come back.
He saw the inside similar to us seeing knowing the
most about him, we didn't want to offer him a
fourth year him knowing what the Mets did. I don't
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think he wanted to give us a chance to beat
because it seems like he just wanted to be a Dodgers.
Possible agains, very possible if that's his prerogative, like that
he's the player, he can do that. And I think
if I don't think he wanted to give the chance
to Mets to beat because he didn't want to have
to say no to more money, it's possible that's kind
of part of it too. Maybe he was just very
anti deferral. Maybe the Dodgers were like no deferrals and
the Mets were, and he's like, I want that money. Now.
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Are you positive about no deferrals from Dodgers. I just
haven't seen a thing about deferrals. I haven't seen deferrals
mentioned with the Dodgers yet. Obviously they are the kings
of deferrals, but usually it gets mentioned pretty quickly with them.
If there are usually I'm assuming there has to be.
I mean again, maybe I couldn't. Don't want to assume
as out of you and me, but if there's probably
some deferrals involved the COT they defer every single contract.
I know, if Mascarnandis has the ferred money, like maybe
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that's why he went there because they got no deferral.
If he's the only guy in the locker room out
to form that actually be kind of hilarious. I'd find
the humor in that. But I mean, now you can
get nostalgic if you want. How how does it feel
for you personally because you win the number one Edwin
Diaz hater on the internet, the first for two years
for two meets nineteen and twenty hated his guns. Yeah,
and Usci balls, wasn't it. It wasn't fair to him.
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He gave up thirty five home runs a year in
sixty innings. Like it was like it was May of
twenty one where you started to finally see the light. Yeah,
as soon as he stopped giving up a home run
every time the ball hit the bat, I was like,
oh shit. But it also came from the fact that
I was so disappointed because at the time we also
thought Kellen Nick was gonna be a superstar. We also
were like Robinson Cano fucking stinks, Like this guy also stinks.
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It's so funny to have all these names get thrown
back into this. And that trade happened like the same week.
I apprecure that it was a Winter meetings deal as well.
Back for some Bautista going over. It wasn't was Jay
Bruce your boys Swarzak was in the deal. Well, that
was one good thing, get rid of that loser. But like,
I was upset with Diaz when it started because he
was supposed to be like the piece and he came
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and he's stunk. But we know why he stunk because
they were using juiced baseballs. As soon as those were gone,
you're like, oh my god, this guy's unbelievable. And literally,
I'll even say this, since twenty twenty two, has been
the best closer in baseball. I think we could say that,
and maybe number two at worst. Besides, he ripped his
knee in half, but that's not that doesn't make my worst.
I got there was a funny sweet for my guy,
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Mikey MJD Analysis does some work for Baseball Perspectus, and
he was like, you're not allowed to be sad about
the said min Daz contract if you didn't still believe
in him after twenty nineteen. Fair. I'm just I don't
mean that, but I just thought it was funny. It's
funny to think about Edwin Diaz his ten years and
met like it's it's kind of crazy think about like
the level of star he became, the way that we
did all the trumpet stuff, and that kind of changed,
and we did the trumpets against the Dodgers. Remember that
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was Timmy trumpets was on the God damn Timmy realized
that fucking Timmy Trumpet Turst God, God damn Timmy trumpets.
And like I know that we had like enter sam
Man and then and we had Hell's Bells like back
in the day with Hoffmann and Mariano. But then those
we're talking about Royan Helsley first, no, no, no, I
was never ever ad but you should beleeve that out
and yet but I felt like that was kind of huge.
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Closer addresses faded for a while for like fifteen to
twenty years, and Edyone's kind of brought them back now,
like every reliever has to have one. Now it's like
the cool thing to have one, Like yeah, like our
bad set up man had one, Like Felix Boutista came
out to like a great wire, right, yeah, the wire,
Omar Whistle, John Durance is all like this. Edwards the
white Horse thing going on. Edward Diaz became such an
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incredible star with this team, and it worked out so
well with how good he became. Once he did again
the juice ball thing happened, he fixed the command, and
then it's and then just even coming off the Buck
interview on Foul Territory last week when he said that
the team knew their season was over when Edwin ds
torrip is knee in the World Baseball Classic, Which whatever
you want to say about Buck Showalter, that's that's bad
on him and to let to let your team fall
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apart because of the closer. But I think that just
goes to show like the magnitude that this guy had
in this clubhouse, Like it's I do wonder about what
the players on the Mets are thinking right now, because
I would I would love to know what Francisco no, yeah,
check if you see some stories right now. Somebo I
think that there's a big disconnect in the analytics world
about like the value of these relievers and closers between
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them like executives and the players. When you talk to
players and they're like, yeah, we have our ninth inning guy,
like there's such a there's such an excel such a
feeling of relief when they know for sure, like someone's
getting the ball in the ninth inning and the game's over,
verus like we're going to have to shake our way
through this, and you see this team rallied around him
so much, again evidenced by the fact that buck Shoulder,
that a closer got hurt. Our season was over crazy,
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which is just crazy to say that ever out loud.
Ever you have to you have to beat that sentence
out of me. If that was the Bets manager, how
we need to do a bad look for the manager.
It's over. I would need to be tortured to have
said that if I was Buckshaw Walter tortured with weapons.
But it's again, it goes to show what he held.
I think the players like they love the truth. I
think at times they love the trumpet shit like they
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you know what else? I think they really love what
so goddamn good he comes back to you talking about
it comes over. It's over. The game's over Edwin Diaz
after twenty twenty was just nails. He had a period
of time which by the way, people saying like he's
been incon systant or whatever. It's like, are we on
the same fucking planet? Like he had like one bad
month and people are like inconsistent. His era went from
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one to five to three one year. This guy, I
don't know if he's the most consistent closer, he's not
that good. I'm like, are we have we lost the plot?
And that's kind of what I feel like about this
whole move is from both sides. Have we lost the plot? One?
Are we overreacting to not having a closer? Two? Have
we lost the plot? And that we should have just
paid him what he wanted to be a New York
met It is funny that if you think about Edmund
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Diaz's twenty twenty four season, it wasn't that dissimilar from
Devin Williams's twenty twenty five season, right, ish, I mean
it was ish. It was a difference of like five
earned runs. Yeah, but go and that's like what we
saw from the Mike Petriel apiece about how all those
runners that he left on base scord it was a three,
five ors four or five VR. Right. Yeah, in real
baseball that means a lot, but in reliever baseball it's
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not that different. I also think like the difference to
that is Edwin Diaz blew the games at the end
of the game, so there was no one else that
could come in and let the other runners that he
let on, where Devin Williams a piction like the seventh
lost he lost his job. Yess a different thing, but
so bad that year that ed couldn't quit him, but
he shouldn't have either. We also knew it was just like,
this is clearly a guy coming back from blowing out
his fucking knee, for sure. And I do think that
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that is why we're so much more okay with what
it was in Edward Mets tenure inconsistencies. But they're all
very easily explainable. We can build the narratives around them
were and we wind up being fine with all of
them because the two seasons around the inconsistencies, including the
one we just saw, still one of the best relievers
in baseball, and even still that bad year, he still
struck out what like thirty six percent of the guys
that came to the place. He's always gonna do that
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thirty nine percent, Yes, thirty five percent, but it's it's
I do think that the hardest part of this whole thing,
the pill for me to swallow, is that it seems
like Edwin Diaz didn't really want to be a met
above all else. Yeah, that and they didn't now been
the Dodgers. Yes, so those two things together. That's where
it's It kind of is like, well, stab, here's the
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other thing that's really that's terrifying the shit out of me. One,
Edwin Diaz was so good against the Phillies they couldn't
touch we like the games were over when Edwin DS
came in against the Phillies. Bryce Harper, I feel like,
has never gotten a hit against Edwin DS. This is possible.
Do you ever do when Kyle Schwarber couldn't touch him?
Kyle Schwarber's back with the Phillies now after twenty nineteen,
after twenty nineteen, like they couldn't touch him after twenty nine. Well,
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James Seer is gone, Yeah, thank god. So I'm saying
yeah getting that there, Like, how how do we get
the Phillies out at the end of the game. And
then also at the same time, like what's this bullpen look? Like?
What are we gonna do? That's the part that's really
important now because it seems like we did have We
did prioritize Edwin DS. We were going after him the
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met the best case scenario for this bullpen was Edwin
DS and Devin Williams. I did think that that was
the plan that was the plan. It still seemed like again,
once you did sign Devin Williams, you didn't have Maybe
he was like, fuck, these guys are giving Devin Williams
just that bad year, the same kind like a similar contract.
To me, honestly, could be that too, Like my big
brain play might have backfired on the Mets where they
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gave Devin Williams all that money, bumped him up to
get more, even more, and then all of a sudden
he's like, Devin Williams got that, and you're only offering
me an extra two to three million a year. I
do think though players around baseball definitely clearly the executive
around baseball definitely still respect the shit out Devin Williams
as a relief pitcher. There's definitely no doubt about that.
I think the Mets got like a very unique hodgepodge
of anti Devin Williams over the past year because one
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PTE hit the home run off him, two he bombed
into one year at the Yankees. So I do think,
like all of those things happening together, Mets fans uniquely
might be the franchise that had the worst purview of
Devin Williams of any fan base in the entire league,
which think is kind of a funny concoction for us.
It's also just it's just a hard pill to swallow
knowing that Spoolpens sucked last year, was best sucked, and
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we had arguably the best reliever in baseball. Now we
get a guy who's coming off of the worst season
of his career, paid him all this money, and we
still don't know who's gonna even get the ball to him.
We have no idea again like that, it does seem
like we're going to now prioritize Robert Suarez for better
or worse, Like that's going to be something there. We
had the Trevor mcgil rumor last night. I'm sure the
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Mets are going to be chatting up every single team
right now for a relief pittcher, because you need your rebay,
you need you need three relievers in this bullpen right now,
they need a hundred like and like again, we believe
in Devin Williams that he's gonna be able tour around.
There's so world where he still gets fucking tattooed. Again,
he didn't. He didn't get tattooed last year. It was
singles true but yeah, there's a world with Devin Williams
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isn't one of the five disclosing base and that's a
problem for the Mets. It's a huge problem to the
top five. There's a chance that Edwin Dias was a
more sure thing next year than Devin Williams for sure. Also,
like the Mets might have seen edwind he has his
knee over these past two years and been like, damn
if you never get to ninety eight again. It's like
maybe you maybe we don't see him as different than
Devin Williams, And the Mets might have think they just
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got a better reliever for a five million unless a year.
I can't think that. I don't think they can think
of that. And with the AAV after the deferrals like
eight million, nine million, few were a year. It's just
I hate it. I hate this. I hate today. Today
is a terrible day, awful day. There's a crazy day.
I was dog saying today the second I left my
house so that the said DS thing happened, like you
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gotta be kidding me. And James are getting ready to
record the Kyle Schwarber video for the wind Up. James
leaves immediately like we see Kyle Schwarber signs for the Phillies,
then Edwin d signs ten minutes later. I'm like, this
is what a bad day for the Mets. Kyle Schwarber
doesn't pick the Mets, goes back to the Phillies. Although
we always knew that was gonna happen. We've been said
that in earlier today when you guys are listening, and
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then Diaz is like, what if I go to the Dot?
That's the other thing to Dot. That's the worst part,
the worst part the Dodgers, man, they had one weakness
and it's it's gone. It's gone gone. It's like there's
also they were the only other option at all, like
in the Blue Jays. I think I think the Blue
Jays too, but it seems like the Blue Jays are
like zeroing out on Kyle Tucker. So I don't think
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you spend Yeah, which is the right decision for them,
that's what they need. But it's like it's it's painful
that you just didn't have the best and you didn't
have the opportunity for the final offer. I still can't
figure out which one of those is worse all they're both,
they're one A one B and I don't know. They're
one A in one A they're the exact same. They're both.
Oh bad, It's so bad. This is terrible. I can't
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This also feeds into all the idiots nonsense too. We
have to hear that more. And I'm kind of in
it right now. Oh ya, You're like, I'm trying. We're
trying to find a guy who did this right now.
I know it's terrible. This is this is the beginning
of a defining moment now for the front office David Stearns,
because he's he's officially even more on the hot seat
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than he was. I still don't think he's anywhere close
to the real life hot seat. I think the fans
will think what the fans think. But I do think
that if Devin Williams crashes and burns, which I don't
think is likely, but of course anything is possible if
he had if he blows, if he blows, if he
blows a Savan April. Yeah, if he blows a game
in the first week Pitchforks, people are gonna be people
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are gonna be literally hunting down David Stearns. Which is
also funny because when you signed players for big money,
Steve Cohens, the Mets didn't give enough money David Stearns' fault. Yeah, exactly,
A good point right there. There's also I got it
text from a fellow Mets fan I would like to
keep anonymous. I know he listens to this podcast when
I reveal it, but he said tears were shed. And
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then in a group chat of his he's with a
Dodgers fan and the Dodger fan goes, damn, doesn't this
guy blow out a lot of saves? Actually, so again,
I think this is a weird Hodgepod situation where in actuality,
the closer in terms of the whole baseball team means
less than most of the other positions players. Well, that's
where I'd like to take this conversation is because yes,
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one hundred percent right now. For the Mets, it's a
little bit different because they don't have any bullpen. They
have one bullpen arm. That's it. There's one guy. We
got three Oh Williams mentor Raley. Oh, Raley's back. Yeah,
Raley's back. I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that.
So we got three. Okay, they have three arms, none
of them that are even close. Sad when das and
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this is something now that I'm going to be looking at.
The Met's hard to try and do something about when
you have a bullpen that's headed by Devin Williams. The
one thing that was the most critical about Devin Williams
at that three year deal, even though I still think
he can and the top endcloser in the league, is
that he just doesn't throw hard. I am, I am
absolutely a favoritist with relievers and gas gas. And now
we saw it our top three guys, we don't have
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any gas. We have a gasless team right now. We
don't had and we went gas last year, which maybe
that's also bad. Maybe, but like now, I think I
see them as prioritizing Robert Suarez now or Trevor McGill
in the trademark at four gas, like now we need gas,
did not have gas? Is I think bad? Yeah, this
is this money that you didn't give to Edwin Diaz
now because theoretically Mets just said we have another sixty
six million, we have no problem spending probably seventy million
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dollars minimum that we are going to spend now on bullpen.
Because that's what it signals to me is they had
seventy million dollars minimum that they want to spend on
the bullpen for Edwin, not for bullpen. Edwin is a
tier above even I think still Robert Swarez, Oh no, definitely,
Pete Fairbair No, no, no, I'm not saying for one player.
I'm saying, you can get this guy for eight, you
get this the guy for eleven, you get against the
guy for six. Sure, but I'm saying I don't think
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that that budget was earmarked for bullpen. I think that
budget was earmarked for Edwards. Okay, well, I hope it
is earmarked for bullpen. Because we need we need more,
We need way, way, way more arms. They have to
get creative. They have to go out and either sign
some guys or trade for some guys, like sooner than later. Suddenly.
Of all the three main position groups on the Mets lineups,
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rotation bullpen is rotation the one that I have more
de least about improving at the given moment and the
way it currently stands, the way all three currently look. Yes,
saying that the lineup is still I think number one.
I think that's bad. The line's horrendous right now. If
like it's Francisco Lindora and Juan Soto. Like, that's pretty
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much it right now in this lineup. So they need
some bats for sure. But bullpens too. Bullpen's definitely too.
It doesn't really matter. If the starters go seven innings
every game and and give up two runs, the bullpen's
gonna blow it. The way it is right now, bullpen
is bad. The Philip Rivers just signed with the Cults
just to make the Philip Rivers signed with the Colts, Yeah,
just to make this. How old is he? That's insane.
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He's been played in like three Okay, not important, not important. Also,
let's think about the fact that Edwin he has opted out.
He still had two more years at fifty something millions,
but basically it was like a one it was a
one year extra that he opted out for. Yeah, that
part sucks too, That does suck. I think that Yeah,
maybe damn, oh damn sucks. But again, this this is
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a unique emotional stew for US Mets fans because I
think we all loved Edwin d I think we loved
the redemption that he had, and I think we loved
the whole way that his like his being in his sense,
I kind of took over like a big culture element
of this team, Like he was the biggest, one of
the biggest stars on this team for the last few years.
And this is also a reckoning from how this obscene
has begun and now I don't know what's gonna happen
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with be Alonzo. I think he has to be back.
He has to be shout out to Como back in
the left first dad offs being I think it's a
much better chance Lonzo's back than DS we were, like
it was totally the opposite. Yeah, right, Tacombo's got fucking
chattered still, Maddin, shame on us. People are going to
I don't know if the people who I mean people
gonna lose their minds. Pan is not that next they
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have to re sign Pete a lot. He has to
be back. Also, like the Schwerber contract definitely helps Pete. Right,
five for one fifty definitely helps Pete a lot with
what he's trying to get. I think it's pretty average
for Pete. You don't think that helps him. I think
the league just get they just gave like that's almost
like to Pete. It's like, hey, DH thirty million dollars
a year for five years to only hit. If you
only hit, we'll give you twenty seven a year. I
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think the league thinks Shwarp has bet than Pete clearly. No,
of course he is a better hitter right now saying that,
but I'm saying Pete gets a little bit less on
the AAV For the five years, he probably gets to
a number that he's not reaching right now. I think so.
But I think that I think that Sharp is just
eighty or above Pete. I think that he's last year.
I think the league likes him more. Yeah, I guess
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I don't know. I think the league likes him more.
But we can debate about which of those two players
you'd rather have for the next four. I think they will.
No chance Peak gets five years, truthfully, Okay, I think four.
I think the fact that the has only got three.
I know it's crazy that Diaz only got three. It's
really the way that these are, these front offices, everyone
thinks exactly the same is crazy. It's kind of like
a scary nuts. It's kind of a scary thing about
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like Louis where the future Baseball's going is that It's
like the differences between these deals was like a million
per and we don't know how the deferrals even make
those deals look and you have to incorporate like a
move across the country. It's like this is it was
the same, it was a little bit different. It's fucking crazy.
Damn it, man, this sucks. What a horrible day for
the Mets. I just the fact that the dodge is
by far the worst part, and they're so damn good
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to me. It's the worst part is that seems like
he didn't really want us. I know, he seems like
he wanted us less than we wanted him. I think
that's fair that that hurts. Like hell, they all hurt.
It all hurts, it all doesn't feel good. I don't know,
you got anything else to talk about here, So we
just had a brain blast. I don't know where this
is cutting in, but it's cutting in at some point.
Remember when Adam Modovino said those comments about Carlos Mendoza
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handling the bullpen and how I rate he got at
Mondovino is one of the most chill guys ever. Does
this have something to do with it too? Maybe because
we also got the report from Havy Mistraco from the
Daily News that the feeling in the Mets shocked. Since
Edwin he has indicated to them he wanted to come back,
and then of course playing off the news that the
Mets told him there was more to come back to
beat the final offer, and he didn't give the Mets
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a chance to come back. So maybe Diaz just was
like two of these piece out. I have the transcript
of without a Vino said, if you want me to
read out real quick, it's kind of long. I'm gonna
rip through it. This is you guys, not a fast
like a talk. And this is the other issue. And
this is something that really upsets me deep in my
soul because man, I've talked with every single one of
these guys. A boy having to take control over their
own career because the team is not going to keep
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them healthy. First off, I'm just taking control over your
own career. You know, Hey, do that you pick where
you go? Yeah, at big, big point right there, they
need to find a way to keep themselves healthy. McGill
goes down, Garrett goes down, Krannic goes down, Dan Neil
Nutiez goes down, Danny Jung goes down. All time of
John's not to mention Drew Smith, who also was like
peace out guys, yea, And then there were reports that
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maybe he wasn't healthy. Drew Smith was instagram said I'm healthy,
rarely had the time of John. It's just too many injuries.
They have to figure out something, whether it's the protocol
as to way Carlos uses these dudes so haphazardly, whether
they even care about keeping guys healthy or not. They
need to be better than this. This is embarrassing. This
is actually pathetic, like really pathetic. I would never let
this happen. And this is Adam Laveno is chill now
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he's bubbling. I would never let this happen. If I
was on the team last year, at least half of
these guys would not have blown out. I would have
protected these dudes myself. I would have had to jump
in front of them myself. Unfortunately, there was nobody willing
to stand up and talk to Carlos this year. It
was just me. I guess so a little bit of
an issue there, and they continue down this path, They're
going to be f ucked. He's spelled it out, because
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you could not injure this many dudes every year, and
hopefully this is not their actual strategy. Because's freaking pathetic.
It's not player friendly. Eventually people will catch on and
it's funny because they are bragging about keeping people healthy
the year before when it had nothing to do with them.
So yeah, I am a little annoyed because these are
the guys that should be playing and it pisses me off. Yeah,
I wonder, I wonder if that has anything to do
with it. Again, we don't have any proof, but this
is just hearing that, hearing all the Das stuff. Those
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guys were teammates for years. The guys were teammates. It
is interesting and again for Adam Outavino to get irate
takes a lot. That guy like openly loves listening to
low fi hip hop. It's his favorite song, Pay the Mets.
The podcast figures go every time banger, I wish what
a banger. People are gonna lose their shit with the
Devin Williams closer entrance this year. I don't even know
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what it's gonna be the only one doing your research
to find out, But we'll find out. When we find out.
We're getting strange breadcrumbs. Now. I do think that we're
going to keep learning more about the said with the situation.
It seems like the Mets might have feel like they
were led astray a bit so funny if this happening
the same day that Stephen matt signs when twenty twenty
one is exactly how that happens. So whether or not
you think that we just ended the Steve Matts continuum
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and now the Mets are letting free agents get letting
themselves get that a bit for free agents, or there's
gonna be the second coming of the Steven Matts. I
don't even know what to call it. A referendum rampage. Yeah,
I like referendum. Yeah, this is weird because it's so
shocking how quickly this happened, and then the fact that
we did get those worst mat of on of you
a few weeks ago. A lot of things about read
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the tea leaves. All right, I guess this will be
the end, right maybe or just or back to the
episodes or back to the episode. Also could be back
to the end. Don't know what it's gonna sound like
or look like, but here you go. No, that's that's
it for now. Alright, guys, that's it. Let us know
how you're feeling. We'll see you soon. I'm not even
doing a fun outro. We're amending it by see you guys.
Let's go Mets.
So you guys saw Edwin, Diz Dodgers, not happy, not happy.
This is this the first time in a long time
I felt like the Mets are a bit embarrassing, more
embarrassing than they have been in a while. It's it's unacceptable, James,
It's unacceptable. I don't know you're gonna Are you gonna
try to spin it positive? Are you? Or you're gonna
go negative all too Well. Here's what I'm gonna say
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is that I think this is gonna be like a
Choose Druid Venture episode for you guys. The first ten
minutes or so, well, how long it's going to go emotions, feelings, sadness,
talking about when DS. I think after that, at least
from my perspective, I'm going to try and weave in
some baseballs, try to do some Devil's advocac I'm understanding.
So if you don't want to listen to that, I'll
let you know when to cut this off and have
the episode you want. If you do want that, start
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skipping ahead now. But this is this is a gut punch.
This is, like you said, the first time in the
New Era that it's been like oh we like we lost, Yeah,
off the field. We lose on the field still a lot,
but the first time off the field, it felt like
we lost. Yeah, it's a it's bad. It's a bad look.
I think it's a bad feel. It's all things, like
every single way that I see this, Edwin Diaz not
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coming back to the Mets from the money side, from
the if he didn't want to come back, Like, there's
no positive that I can take out of this. There's
nothing that feels good. Devin Williams is worse than Edwin Daz, edwind.
He has one of the best closers in baseball. The
Mets stunk with Edwin Diaz last year. Maybe people will say, well,
we've stunk with him, we'll stink without him or will
be doesn't really matter. I just don't know how this
bullpen is good without Edwin Daz. I have no idea,
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Like even if Devin Williams, because I don't think he
goes back to being Brewers Devin Williams. That feels like
insane to ask. But even if he's good, he's still
not Edwin Diaz good like. And then to see the
contract three years, three years is crazy. It feels like
the exact thing that you got for was Andrew Friedman's
quote where he's like, if you try and nitpick over
like years in contracts and money, you end up signing nobody.
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It seems like the Mets did that to a t
with Edwin Daz. Yeah, that quotes if you try to
be sensible about every free agent, you will not sign
any free agent. But I mean, it seems like no
one wanted to give Edwin Diaz a fourth year and
all of baseball. Yes, but side he signed to three? Sure,
but like also again like then then we're trying to
be a little bit too sensible, like Edwin for four
for eighty probably comes. I think that the Mets might
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have made a bet that no matter what, Edwind Diaz
wanted to come back for a similar offer. That bet,
that's the bet that was wrong. Yeah, so then so
then now why the fuck did he want to come back?
That's the other part too, because there are two sides
of the same point, it's hard to figure out which
is worse. If the Mets just got straight up beat
Edwin das they didn't match or exceed the offer, which
that might be what they thought was best, but doesn't
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seem right right now. But the other side of that
if they did match the offer. And now we have
reports coming out that the Mets final offer was three
for sixty six, which is basically the same. It's one
million dollars per year, and ours had slight deferrals. I'm sure.
I'm sure the Dodgers had significant deferrals. So Dodgers don't
have deferrals apparently as of right now, oh, zero deferrals. Ok,
right now, there's been no reports to Dodger deferrals. I've seen.
We did get beat but from Joel Sherman and Anthony Dicomo.
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Apparently the Mets indicated the Das that there was we
we have more, Fore you come back with another offer,
will beat it. But he went to the Dodgers signed
on the spot. Yeah, it's so, which of those is worse? Both? Dot?
Can they both be the worst? Can we have two
of the worst, because I mean, listen, he like Dodgers.
You want to win. Dodgers are gonna win. Like that's
they have the best chance to win a World Series
every time. If edwin, Diaz wants to chase the bag
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and also get a ring, there's no better place than
the Dodgers. But it's just crazy to me that even if,
like I understand, the Mets didn't have I guess, the
chance to come back, possibly because of that three for
sixty nine. But then surely Diaz in his camp knew
that the Mets were never gonna beat that. Surely if
they didn't go back to I don't know, to hear
that there's wiggle room, but then find out that you
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lost is a weird scenario for me from both sides.
And it's strange the way his reporting is coming out,
because this is this comes directly from Anthony Tocomo. I'm
told the Mets offer edwin Ds three years, sixty six
million dollars with slight deferrals and indicated they had some
room to improve the figure. Di has chose the Dodgers'
offer instead. Someone replied the cucle back to the Mets
to give them the last offer, and Tacomo said, the
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understanding is no. It's weird. So then like he wanted
the Dodgers more than the Mets wanted him, and it
seems like there could have been some room to navigate
that middle ground. But it seems like there was kind
of a mutual understanding there that we're not gonna be
together anymore. Yeah, I mean that that sucks. If he
just wants to be here, that sucks too. I think
that's a bad look. I also think just being not
the top offer, not being the top bit is also
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a terrible, terrible look, especially because the conversation had all
been four versus five years for the contracts. Really all
off season was would the Mets give a fifth? If
the Mets gave a fourth, he's here. The Mets gave
four years, he's here. It doesn't seem like the Dodgers
would have given four, but also shows how little we
know because that's what we thought, but this happening inside
and again the fact that no one in all of
baseball is willing to do that, which is why we thought.
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We told you guys this mere hours ago that we
thought this Edwin Dyes thing would stretch for another month
or two because it seemed like he would be kind
of stead fans watching a fourth or at the time
we thought, possibly a fifth year. The fact that he
signed as one of the next big dominoes to fall
in free agency altogether is shocking, especially when it is
only for those three years. And that's the part, that's
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the part that hurts when you saw those When Ken
Rosenthal threeed three years, I was in the middle of
recording my video, I almost fell to my knees. I
almost was like, are you kidding me? We couldn't beat
her three year deal? Because even even three for sixty nine. Again,
I understand that to night might not have been able
to go back and encounter from what everyone's saying, but like, damn,
three for seven he gets the deal done. Is that
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what I'm hearing? Or does he really just not want
to be here? And then again, what is that's? You?
What is the problem? That might have been the worst
part of this because not beating it, like these offers
wound up being basically the same. You know what I mean?
You have to get an extra ish relatively get extra
million per year depending on how to Furrel's work out,
but you also have to move across the country, change
your whole life. That sucks. It's the fact that he
was like, no, I'd actually rather go there. I think
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that's the part that hurts me more. Yeah, the only
rationale that I can have that doesn't hurt me is
because he wants to win. He wants to have the
best chance at winning that's the worst one. That well,
that's the worst one for actual for vibes and everything
going on with all the bullshit we've heard this offseason.
Is there a problem Eric Schavez goes was fucking Instagram
that asshole and starts posting about Edwin Diaz laughing signing
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with the Dodgers. Is there something we don't fucking know?
Is there more? It seems like there might be. Maybe
he just hates the mess because the way this whole
thing ended. Maybe he feels slighted because he had to
deal with a second hitting coach that had access to
Excel and biomechanical data and he didn't think that stuff
had a place in baseball. But it is. It's a
strange feeling, and it is a strange feeling now around
baseball because again, going back to those three years, the
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AAV for those three years is irrelevant. I don't who cares.
You get one of the best closes in baseball for
three years when the mark you thought the market was
dictating four or five and clearly the Dodgers and the
Mets both signified yeah, will make him the highest AV
closer by a lot. Don't care, It doesn't matter. It's
just the fact that that's where it ended. It seemed
to end someone abruptly is painful, especially like I don't know,
like we get a little nostalgic by Edwin Diaz asn't met. Now,
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give me like one more minute of just being like
this is also a really bad look for the front
office to lose everyone, to lose Edwin Diaz by three
million dollars, Like whether or not you had the opportunity
to go back or not, Like you probably had an
idea what the offers were gonna be and you were
not the highest bidder. I understand you don't want to
bit against yourself. That's bad practice, but like, give him
the what did you want, Edwin? What did you want
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to come back? Unless he lied to them, Yeah, whether
he were just taken the Mets next offer and got
back to Dodgers, or whether if he didn't even want
to hear the Mets next offer because Dodgers said this
is best and final. If you go back to the
Mets were not beating it, How that makes you feel
even worse? But that I think that's what I'm getting
out here. I'll say this out of all things, and
I think people are gonna hate me for saying this.
I'm not mad at Edwin Diaz. I never get mad
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at the player for this kind of No. Of course,
get what you want, get your bag, gets what you want,
go win. But like from the Mets side, the front office,
this is, this is legitimately the first time I've been
very disappointed in the Mets front office and David Stearns.
It does feel like trying to thread the needle again,
trying to thread the needle. I can understand the fans
being like, it's Milwaukee Mets. I get it. I totally
get I know it's not, but I get why people
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would have that feeling because the initial reaction when I
saw this was like cheap, Mets are cheap. This is
It is an embarrassing law to lose Edwin dis to
the Dodgers like this. It's also I think the more
embarrassing thing is that he didn't want to come back.
He saw the inside similar to us seeing knowing the
most about him, we didn't want to offer him a
fourth year him knowing what the Mets did. I don't
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think he wanted to give us a chance to beat
because it seems like he just wanted to be a Dodgers.
Possible agains, very possible if that's his prerogative, like that
he's the player, he can do that. And I think
if I don't think he wanted to give the chance
to Mets to beat because he didn't want to have
to say no to more money, it's possible that's kind
of part of it too. Maybe he was just very
anti deferral. Maybe the Dodgers were like no deferrals and
the Mets were, and he's like, I want that money. Now.
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Are you positive about no deferrals from Dodgers. I just
haven't seen a thing about deferrals. I haven't seen deferrals
mentioned with the Dodgers yet. Obviously they are the kings
of deferrals, but usually it gets mentioned pretty quickly with them.
If there are usually I'm assuming there has to be.
I mean again, maybe I couldn't. Don't want to assume
as out of you and me, but if there's probably
some deferrals involved the COT they defer every single contract.
I know, if Mascarnandis has the ferred money, like maybe
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that's why he went there because they got no deferral.
If he's the only guy in the locker room out
to form that actually be kind of hilarious. I'd find
the humor in that. But I mean, now you can
get nostalgic if you want. How how does it feel
for you personally because you win the number one Edwin
Diaz hater on the internet, the first for two years
for two meets nineteen and twenty hated his guns. Yeah,
and Usci balls, wasn't it. It wasn't fair to him.
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He gave up thirty five home runs a year in
sixty innings. Like it was like it was May of
twenty one where you started to finally see the light. Yeah,
as soon as he stopped giving up a home run
every time the ball hit the bat, I was like,
oh shit. But it also came from the fact that
I was so disappointed because at the time we also
thought Kellen Nick was gonna be a superstar. We also
were like Robinson Cano fucking stinks, Like this guy also stinks.
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It's so funny to have all these names get thrown
back into this. And that trade happened like the same week.
I apprecure that it was a Winter meetings deal as well.
Back for some Bautista going over. It wasn't was Jay
Bruce your boys Swarzak was in the deal. Well, that
was one good thing, get rid of that loser. But like,
I was upset with Diaz when it started because he
was supposed to be like the piece and he came
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and he's stunk. But we know why he stunk because
they were using juiced baseballs. As soon as those were gone,
you're like, oh my god, this guy's unbelievable. And literally,
I'll even say this, since twenty twenty two, has been
the best closer in baseball. I think we could say that,
and maybe number two at worst. Besides, he ripped his
knee in half, but that's not that doesn't make my worst.
I got there was a funny sweet for my guy,
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Mikey MJD Analysis does some work for Baseball Perspectus, and
he was like, you're not allowed to be sad about
the said min Daz contract if you didn't still believe
in him after twenty nineteen. Fair. I'm just I don't
mean that, but I just thought it was funny. It's
funny to think about Edwin Diaz his ten years and
met like it's it's kind of crazy think about like
the level of star he became, the way that we
did all the trumpet stuff, and that kind of changed,
and we did the trumpets against the Dodgers. Remember that
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was Timmy trumpets was on the God damn Timmy realized
that fucking Timmy Trumpet Turst God, God damn Timmy trumpets.
And like I know that we had like enter sam
Man and then and we had Hell's Bells like back
in the day with Hoffmann and Mariano. But then those
we're talking about Royan Helsley first, no, no, no, I
was never ever ad but you should beleeve that out
and yet but I felt like that was kind of huge.
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Closer addresses faded for a while for like fifteen to
twenty years, and Edyone's kind of brought them back now,
like every reliever has to have one. Now it's like
the cool thing to have one, Like yeah, like our
bad set up man had one, Like Felix Boutista came
out to like a great wire, right, yeah, the wire,
Omar Whistle, John Durance is all like this. Edwards the
white Horse thing going on. Edward Diaz became such an
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incredible star with this team, and it worked out so
well with how good he became. Once he did again
the juice ball thing happened, he fixed the command, and
then it's and then just even coming off the Buck
interview on Foul Territory last week when he said that
the team knew their season was over when Edwin ds
torrip is knee in the World Baseball Classic, Which whatever
you want to say about Buck Showalter, that's that's bad
on him and to let to let your team fall
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apart because of the closer. But I think that just
goes to show like the magnitude that this guy had
in this clubhouse, Like it's I do wonder about what
the players on the Mets are thinking right now, because
I would I would love to know what Francisco no, yeah,
check if you see some stories right now. Somebo I
think that there's a big disconnect in the analytics world
about like the value of these relievers and closers between
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them like executives and the players. When you talk to
players and they're like, yeah, we have our ninth inning guy,
like there's such a there's such an excel such a
feeling of relief when they know for sure, like someone's
getting the ball in the ninth inning and the game's over,
verus like we're going to have to shake our way
through this, and you see this team rallied around him
so much, again evidenced by the fact that buck Shoulder,
that a closer got hurt. Our season was over crazy,
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which is just crazy to say that ever out loud.
Ever you have to you have to beat that sentence
out of me. If that was the Bets manager, how
we need to do a bad look for the manager.
It's over. I would need to be tortured to have
said that if I was Buckshaw Walter tortured with weapons.
But it's again, it goes to show what he held.
I think the players like they love the truth. I
think at times they love the trumpet shit like they
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you know what else? I think they really love what
so goddamn good he comes back to you talking about
it comes over. It's over. The game's over Edwin Diaz
after twenty twenty was just nails. He had a period
of time which by the way, people saying like he's
been incon systant or whatever. It's like, are we on
the same fucking planet? Like he had like one bad
month and people are like inconsistent. His era went from
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one to five to three one year. This guy, I
don't know if he's the most consistent closer, he's not
that good. I'm like, are we have we lost the plot?
And that's kind of what I feel like about this
whole move is from both sides. Have we lost the plot? One?
Are we overreacting to not having a closer? Two? Have
we lost the plot? And that we should have just
paid him what he wanted to be a New York
met It is funny that if you think about Edmund
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Diaz's twenty twenty four season, it wasn't that dissimilar from
Devin Williams's twenty twenty five season, right, ish, I mean
it was ish. It was a difference of like five
earned runs. Yeah, but go and that's like what we
saw from the Mike Petriel apiece about how all those
runners that he left on base scord it was a three,
five ors four or five VR. Right. Yeah, in real
baseball that means a lot, but in reliever baseball it's
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not that different. I also think like the difference to
that is Edwin Diaz blew the games at the end
of the game, so there was no one else that
could come in and let the other runners that he
let on, where Devin Williams a piction like the seventh
lost he lost his job. Yess a different thing, but
so bad that year that ed couldn't quit him, but
he shouldn't have either. We also knew it was just like,
this is clearly a guy coming back from blowing out
his fucking knee, for sure. And I do think that
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that is why we're so much more okay with what
it was in Edward Mets tenure inconsistencies. But they're all
very easily explainable. We can build the narratives around them
were and we wind up being fine with all of
them because the two seasons around the inconsistencies, including the
one we just saw, still one of the best relievers
in baseball, and even still that bad year, he still
struck out what like thirty six percent of the guys
that came to the place. He's always gonna do that
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thirty nine percent, Yes, thirty five percent, but it's it's
I do think that the hardest part of this whole thing,
the pill for me to swallow, is that it seems
like Edwin Diaz didn't really want to be a met
above all else. Yeah, that and they didn't now been
the Dodgers. Yes, so those two things together. That's where
it's It kind of is like, well, stab, here's the
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other thing that's really that's terrifying the shit out of me. One,
Edwin Diaz was so good against the Phillies they couldn't
touch we like the games were over when Edwin DS
came in against the Phillies. Bryce Harper, I feel like,
has never gotten a hit against Edwin DS. This is possible.
Do you ever do when Kyle Schwarber couldn't touch him?
Kyle Schwarber's back with the Phillies now after twenty nineteen,
after twenty nineteen, like they couldn't touch him after twenty nine. Well,
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James Seer is gone, Yeah, thank god. So I'm saying
yeah getting that there, Like, how how do we get
the Phillies out at the end of the game. And
then also at the same time, like what's this bullpen look? Like?
What are we gonna do? That's the part that's really
important now because it seems like we did have We
did prioritize Edwin DS. We were going after him the
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met the best case scenario for this bullpen was Edwin
DS and Devin Williams. I did think that that was
the plan that was the plan. It still seemed like again,
once you did sign Devin Williams, you didn't have Maybe
he was like, fuck, these guys are giving Devin Williams
just that bad year, the same kind like a similar contract.
To me, honestly, could be that too, Like my big
brain play might have backfired on the Mets where they
(15:56):
gave Devin Williams all that money, bumped him up to
get more, even more, and then all of a sudden
he's like, Devin Williams got that, and you're only offering
me an extra two to three million a year. I
do think though players around baseball definitely clearly the executive
around baseball definitely still respect the shit out Devin Williams
as a relief pitcher. There's definitely no doubt about that.
I think the Mets got like a very unique hodgepodge
of anti Devin Williams over the past year because one
(16:18):
PTE hit the home run off him, two he bombed
into one year at the Yankees. So I do think,
like all of those things happening together, Mets fans uniquely
might be the franchise that had the worst purview of
Devin Williams of any fan base in the entire league,
which think is kind of a funny concoction for us.
It's also just it's just a hard pill to swallow
knowing that Spoolpens sucked last year, was best sucked, and
(16:38):
we had arguably the best reliever in baseball. Now we
get a guy who's coming off of the worst season
of his career, paid him all this money, and we
still don't know who's gonna even get the ball to him.
We have no idea again like that, it does seem
like we're going to now prioritize Robert Suarez for better
or worse, Like that's going to be something there. We
had the Trevor mcgil rumor last night. I'm sure the
(16:59):
Mets are going to be chatting up every single team
right now for a relief pittcher, because you need your rebay,
you need you need three relievers in this bullpen right now,
they need a hundred like and like again, we believe
in Devin Williams that he's gonna be able tour around.
There's so world where he still gets fucking tattooed. Again,
he didn't. He didn't get tattooed last year. It was
singles true but yeah, there's a world with Devin Williams
(17:20):
isn't one of the five disclosing base and that's a
problem for the Mets. It's a huge problem to the
top five. There's a chance that Edwin Dias was a
more sure thing next year than Devin Williams for sure. Also,
like the Mets might have seen edwind he has his
knee over these past two years and been like, damn
if you never get to ninety eight again. It's like
maybe you maybe we don't see him as different than
Devin Williams, And the Mets might have think they just
(17:41):
got a better reliever for a five million unless a year.
I can't think that. I don't think they can think
of that. And with the AAV after the deferrals like
eight million, nine million, few were a year. It's just
I hate it. I hate this. I hate today. Today
is a terrible day, awful day. There's a crazy day.
I was dog saying today the second I left my
house so that the said DS thing happened, like you
(18:01):
gotta be kidding me. And James are getting ready to
record the Kyle Schwarber video for the wind Up. James
leaves immediately like we see Kyle Schwarber signs for the Phillies,
then Edwin d signs ten minutes later. I'm like, this
is what a bad day for the Mets. Kyle Schwarber
doesn't pick the Mets, goes back to the Phillies. Although
we always knew that was gonna happen. We've been said
that in earlier today when you guys are listening, and
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then Diaz is like, what if I go to the Dot?
That's the other thing to Dot. That's the worst part,
the worst part the Dodgers, man, they had one weakness
and it's it's gone. It's gone gone. It's like there's
also they were the only other option at all, like
in the Blue Jays. I think I think the Blue
Jays too, but it seems like the Blue Jays are
like zeroing out on Kyle Tucker. So I don't think
(18:41):
you spend Yeah, which is the right decision for them,
that's what they need. But it's like it's it's painful
that you just didn't have the best and you didn't
have the opportunity for the final offer. I still can't
figure out which one of those is worse all they're both,
they're one A one B and I don't know. They're
one A in one A they're the exact same. They're both.
Oh bad, It's so bad. This is terrible. I can't
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This also feeds into all the idiots nonsense too. We
have to hear that more. And I'm kind of in
it right now. Oh ya, You're like, I'm trying. We're
trying to find a guy who did this right now.
I know it's terrible. This is this is the beginning
of a defining moment now for the front office David Stearns,
because he's he's officially even more on the hot seat
(19:24):
than he was. I still don't think he's anywhere close
to the real life hot seat. I think the fans
will think what the fans think. But I do think
that if Devin Williams crashes and burns, which I don't
think is likely, but of course anything is possible if
he had if he blows, if he blows, if he
blows a Savan April. Yeah, if he blows a game
in the first week Pitchforks, people are gonna be people
(19:44):
are gonna be literally hunting down David Stearns. Which is
also funny because when you signed players for big money,
Steve Cohens, the Mets didn't give enough money David Stearns' fault. Yeah, exactly,
A good point right there. There's also I got it
text from a fellow Mets fan I would like to
keep anonymous. I know he listens to this podcast when
I reveal it, but he said tears were shed. And
(20:06):
then in a group chat of his he's with a
Dodgers fan and the Dodger fan goes, damn, doesn't this
guy blow out a lot of saves? Actually, so again,
I think this is a weird Hodgepod situation where in actuality,
the closer in terms of the whole baseball team means
less than most of the other positions players. Well, that's
where I'd like to take this conversation is because yes,
(20:27):
one hundred percent right now. For the Mets, it's a
little bit different because they don't have any bullpen. They
have one bullpen arm. That's it. There's one guy. We
got three Oh Williams mentor Raley. Oh, Raley's back. Yeah,
Raley's back. I didn't realize that. I didn't realize that.
So we got three. Okay, they have three arms, none
of them that are even close. Sad when das and
(20:49):
this is something now that I'm going to be looking at.
The Met's hard to try and do something about when
you have a bullpen that's headed by Devin Williams. The
one thing that was the most critical about Devin Williams
at that three year deal, even though I still think
he can and the top endcloser in the league, is
that he just doesn't throw hard. I am, I am
absolutely a favoritist with relievers and gas gas. And now
we saw it our top three guys, we don't have
(21:11):
any gas. We have a gasless team right now. We
don't had and we went gas last year, which maybe
that's also bad. Maybe, but like now, I think I
see them as prioritizing Robert Suarez now or Trevor McGill
in the trademark at four gas, like now we need gas,
did not have gas? Is I think bad? Yeah, this
is this money that you didn't give to Edwin Diaz
now because theoretically Mets just said we have another sixty
six million, we have no problem spending probably seventy million
(21:32):
dollars minimum that we are going to spend now on bullpen.
Because that's what it signals to me is they had
seventy million dollars minimum that they want to spend on
the bullpen for Edwin, not for bullpen. Edwin is a
tier above even I think still Robert Swarez, Oh no, definitely,
Pete Fairbair No, no, no, I'm not saying for one player.
I'm saying, you can get this guy for eight, you
get this the guy for eleven, you get against the
guy for six. Sure, but I'm saying I don't think
(21:53):
that that budget was earmarked for bullpen. I think that
budget was earmarked for Edwards. Okay, well, I hope it
is earmarked for bullpen. Because we need we need more,
We need way, way, way more arms. They have to
get creative. They have to go out and either sign
some guys or trade for some guys, like sooner than later. Suddenly.
Of all the three main position groups on the Mets lineups,
(22:14):
rotation bullpen is rotation the one that I have more
de least about improving at the given moment and the
way it currently stands, the way all three currently look. Yes,
saying that the lineup is still I think number one.
I think that's bad. The line's horrendous right now. If
like it's Francisco Lindora and Juan Soto. Like, that's pretty
(22:34):
much it right now in this lineup. So they need
some bats for sure. But bullpens too. Bullpen's definitely too.
It doesn't really matter. If the starters go seven innings
every game and and give up two runs, the bullpen's
gonna blow it. The way it is right now, bullpen
is bad. The Philip Rivers just signed with the Cults
just to make the Philip Rivers signed with the Colts, Yeah,
just to make this. How old is he? That's insane.
(22:56):
He's been played in like three Okay, not important, not important. Also,
let's think about the fact that Edwin he has opted out.
He still had two more years at fifty something millions,
but basically it was like a one it was a
one year extra that he opted out for. Yeah, that
part sucks too, That does suck. I think that Yeah,
maybe damn, oh damn sucks. But again, this this is
(23:20):
a unique emotional stew for US Mets fans because I
think we all loved Edwin d I think we loved
the redemption that he had, and I think we loved
the whole way that his like his being in his sense,
I kind of took over like a big culture element
of this team, Like he was the biggest, one of
the biggest stars on this team for the last few years.
And this is also a reckoning from how this obscene
has begun and now I don't know what's gonna happen
(23:41):
with be Alonzo. I think he has to be back.
He has to be shout out to Como back in
the left first dad offs being I think it's a
much better chance Lonzo's back than DS we were, like
it was totally the opposite. Yeah, right, Tacombo's got fucking
chattered still, Maddin, shame on us. People are going to
I don't know if the people who I mean people
gonna lose their minds. Pan is not that next they
(24:03):
have to re sign Pete a lot. He has to
be back. Also, like the Schwerber contract definitely helps Pete. Right,
five for one fifty definitely helps Pete a lot with
what he's trying to get. I think it's pretty average
for Pete. You don't think that helps him. I think
the league just get they just gave like that's almost
like to Pete. It's like, hey, DH thirty million dollars
a year for five years to only hit. If you
only hit, we'll give you twenty seven a year. I
(24:25):
think the league thinks Shwarp has bet than Pete clearly. No,
of course he is a better hitter right now saying that,
but I'm saying Pete gets a little bit less on
the AAV For the five years, he probably gets to
a number that he's not reaching right now. I think so.
But I think that I think that Sharp is just
eighty or above Pete. I think that he's last year.
I think the league likes him more. Yeah, I guess
(24:47):
I don't know. I think the league likes him more.
But we can debate about which of those two players
you'd rather have for the next four. I think they will.
No chance Peak gets five years, truthfully, Okay, I think four.
I think the fact that the has only got three.
I know it's crazy that Diaz only got three. It's
really the way that these are, these front offices, everyone
thinks exactly the same is crazy. It's kind of like
a scary nuts. It's kind of a scary thing about
(25:07):
like Louis where the future Baseball's going is that It's
like the differences between these deals was like a million
per and we don't know how the deferrals even make
those deals look and you have to incorporate like a
move across the country. It's like this is it was
the same, it was a little bit different. It's fucking crazy.
Damn it, man, this sucks. What a horrible day for
the Mets. I just the fact that the dodge is
by far the worst part, and they're so damn good
(25:28):
to me. It's the worst part is that seems like
he didn't really want us. I know, he seems like
he wanted us less than we wanted him. I think
that's fair that that hurts. Like hell, they all hurt.
It all hurts, it all doesn't feel good. I don't know,
you got anything else to talk about here, So we
just had a brain blast. I don't know where this
is cutting in, but it's cutting in at some point.
Remember when Adam Modovino said those comments about Carlos Mendoza
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handling the bullpen and how I rate he got at
Mondovino is one of the most chill guys ever. Does
this have something to do with it too? Maybe because
we also got the report from Havy Mistraco from the
Daily News that the feeling in the Mets shocked. Since
Edwin he has indicated to them he wanted to come back,
and then of course playing off the news that the
Mets told him there was more to come back to
beat the final offer, and he didn't give the Mets
(26:10):
a chance to come back. So maybe Diaz just was
like two of these piece out. I have the transcript
of without a Vino said, if you want me to
read out real quick, it's kind of long. I'm gonna
rip through it. This is you guys, not a fast
like a talk. And this is the other issue. And
this is something that really upsets me deep in my
soul because man, I've talked with every single one of
these guys. A boy having to take control over their
own career because the team is not going to keep
(26:32):
them healthy. First off, I'm just taking control over your
own career. You know, Hey, do that you pick where
you go? Yeah, at big, big point right there, they
need to find a way to keep themselves healthy. McGill
goes down, Garrett goes down, Krannic goes down, Dan Neil
Nutiez goes down, Danny Jung goes down. All time of
John's not to mention Drew Smith, who also was like
peace out guys, yea, And then there were reports that
(26:52):
maybe he wasn't healthy. Drew Smith was instagram said I'm healthy,
rarely had the time of John. It's just too many injuries.
They have to figure out something, whether it's the protocol
as to way Carlos uses these dudes so haphazardly, whether
they even care about keeping guys healthy or not. They
need to be better than this. This is embarrassing. This
is actually pathetic, like really pathetic. I would never let
this happen. And this is Adam Laveno is chill now
(27:13):
he's bubbling. I would never let this happen. If I
was on the team last year, at least half of
these guys would not have blown out. I would have
protected these dudes myself. I would have had to jump
in front of them myself. Unfortunately, there was nobody willing
to stand up and talk to Carlos this year. It
was just me. I guess so a little bit of
an issue there, and they continue down this path, They're
going to be f ucked. He's spelled it out, because
(27:34):
you could not injure this many dudes every year, and
hopefully this is not their actual strategy. Because's freaking pathetic.
It's not player friendly. Eventually people will catch on and
it's funny because they are bragging about keeping people healthy
the year before when it had nothing to do with them.
So yeah, I am a little annoyed because these are
the guys that should be playing and it pisses me off. Yeah,
I wonder, I wonder if that has anything to do
with it. Again, we don't have any proof, but this
is just hearing that, hearing all the Das stuff. Those
(27:58):
guys were teammates for years. The guys were teammates. It
is interesting and again for Adam Outavino to get irate
takes a lot. That guy like openly loves listening to
low fi hip hop. It's his favorite song, Pay the Mets.
The podcast figures go every time banger, I wish what
a banger. People are gonna lose their shit with the
Devin Williams closer entrance this year. I don't even know
(28:18):
what it's gonna be the only one doing your research
to find out, But we'll find out. When we find out.
We're getting strange breadcrumbs. Now. I do think that we're
going to keep learning more about the said with the situation.
It seems like the Mets might have feel like they
were led astray a bit so funny if this happening
the same day that Stephen matt signs when twenty twenty
one is exactly how that happens. So whether or not
you think that we just ended the Steve Matts continuum
(28:38):
and now the Mets are letting free agents get letting
themselves get that a bit for free agents, or there's
gonna be the second coming of the Steven Matts. I
don't even know what to call it. A referendum rampage. Yeah,
I like referendum. Yeah, this is weird because it's so
shocking how quickly this happened, and then the fact that
we did get those worst mat of on of you
a few weeks ago. A lot of things about read
(29:01):
the tea leaves. All right, I guess this will be
the end, right maybe or just or back to the
episodes or back to the episode. Also could be back
to the end. Don't know what it's gonna sound like
or look like, but here you go. No, that's that's
it for now. Alright, guys, that's it. Let us know
how you're feeling. We'll see you soon. I'm not even
doing a fun outro. We're amending it by see you guys.
Let's go Mets.
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