Mets Miss on Willson Contreras, Trust Level in David Stearns, and Mailbag Episode | 512

Big mailbag episode here. We took your guys questions from Twitter and discord about the moves we’d make the rest of the offseason, our favorite Mets’ prospects, the current trade market, and how we’re honestly feeling about the front office. Also, we react to the Mets not signing Willson Contreras, Munetaka Murakami, or Michael King.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
What is up? Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode
of the Mets Up Podcast. Before we get going into
our mail bag, make sure you're subscribed. I'm calling it
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this or not subscribe. Click that subscribe button. There's no excuse.
Give us a little earliest Christmas gift. All right, we've
got mail bag, we got Wilsconterras's trade, we got Murakami news.
We're gonna talk about all of that. We don't think

(00:21):
there's gonna be any contrarosus mailbag questions, So let's talk
about that right off the rip. Because he was traded
to the Red Sox for three pitching prospects, Hunter Dobbin's
not really a prospect anymore. I guess he's an MLB ready,
younger starter. Tell me your thoughts when you saw the
package back, James, I.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Thought the package back was like a decent a decent
bit of prospects.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I think I like Hunter Dobbins. That the breaking ball quality.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
Is really good, the commands is really good, the fastball
is not great. But that to me just says that
he's kind of a rock solid back end rotation guy,
kind of in perpetuity. He's also got some shit to him,
which I like that about Hunter Dobbins, Like he's had
some funny run ins with the Yankees over the years.
I think he really ingratiated himself with the Boston fans.
They were kind of actually sad to see him go
despite getting back in Trera's and the other piece of
this trade was great. I don't want to batch the

(01:03):
name right here. Oh good luck, yeah, here it comes,
here comes. I gotta pull and pull them up and
pull them up. It is Yorker fahi though.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Nice, Well done, James, Well done, Yoko.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
He was weirdly acquired by the Red Sox last offseason
from the White Sox when the Red Sox dfa cam boozer,
My guy, Oh you're just funny.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
But then he he has stuff and they helped him
uptick the stuff. This year he put on a little
bit of velocity and as like an eighteen or nineteen
year old in low way, he was dominant nearly a
twenty percent streke up by his walk right, and he
already in the two's like he looked nasty and with pitchability.
Two different fastballs, a good slider, a legit feel for
a change up like a teenager would feel for four pitches,
Like that's special. Like, I know he's going to probably

(01:43):
sneak near the back end of some top hundred list
this year. I know baseball perspectives to shout them out,
especially he's being a back end top hundred guy. So
that's a pretty spritlegit package for Contreras. Again, Contreras is
really good, so I think that's worth the package. Like
he's a rock solid eight twenty oh ps guy is
probably gonna not ther the Homers and family. It's like
it's a good package for a good player, And I

(02:03):
think that's that's how trades are supposed to be.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Yeah, and I'm a lot of Mets fans are upset
because of course, why didn't we get wilsoncon Turia sleep
be certain to a had it again, what would this be?
This would be like Brandon Sprote and then one of
like the younger like low A Brooklyn pictures like Will
Watson maybe or something.

Speaker 2 (02:19):
Yeah, for sure this would have led with Skylar Sprote.
I think to be like someone like Dobbins. I think
Scott definitely has much more upside than Hunter Dobbins just
because the fastball quality. But I think Dobbins has a
much higher floor than Christian Scott or Sprote, who I
think again similar higher ceiling, lower floor, but like just
it seems like the Cardinals prioritize the pitcher who was younger,
who's absolutely ready for the major leagues, like with LB experience,

(02:41):
who had six years of control, and then some kind
of mix of like Will Watson, Johnathan Santucci, Zach Thorion
of being like Watson being like a borderline top hundred guy,
Santucci's a change up away from being like a top
one twenty guy, and Thornton is kind of like a
spec who's got fun stuff, but we're definitely concerned, like
we definitely don't know where that stuff winds up.

Speaker 1 (02:59):
It's a that has been the Red Sox right in
twenty twenty one, so this would have been one of
him's draft picks as well, right, Hunter Dobbins. I think
Hunter Dobbins came.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
As a Rule five pick from the Yankees, if I'm
not mistaken. I think that's why he had that stuff
with the Yankees.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
Now, he was drafted eighth round and twenty twenty one
by the Red Sox at Texas Tech.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
Okay, so this is definitely how I'm getting one of
his guys back then. But I think it would have
been again like you would have started with Scott or
sprote and then given some mix of those like kind
of fun just outside the top one hundred pitching prospects
that we have, which would have kind of felt like
a lot, but also something I definitely would have been
like that hurts would have hurt me, especially just lose
to lose Christian Scott, But I think it would have
been a fair but expensive deal if the Mets would

(03:37):
have made it. Yeah, and I know Mets fans are
starring for any sort of move, and it's the hate
David Sterns. Any kind of positivity, yeah, any kind of positivity.
But like as much as I would have loved Wilson
Traris whatever, man, I don't know, Like I don't know
if he was the final piece. I don't know if
giving up all the prospects would have been worth it
for the Mets this season for Wilson Contrares, especially when

(03:57):
he's getting like eighteen million year.

Speaker 1 (03:59):
Over the two three years. It's four thirty five already. Yeah,
I think you'd be thirty four next season, and we
just said no to a better power hitting first baseman
that was younger, So out of it, right, and we'll
contral is funny enough.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
I think a three year average has a higher WRC
plus and p Alonzo, which is kind of funny. Think
about Pete at a higher on base percentage, Pete hitting
more homers. That's the trade off there. But just which
I think, it's just hard to get a bat right now,
and I think of a similar ilk before we get
into the mailbag. Munataka Murakami signed with the Chicago White
Sox two years, thirty four million dollars like a coreter,
a fifth of what some pundits had them signing forward

(04:33):
the beginning of the offseason. I think this was a
telltale indication from basically every major league team to us
that they're just not sure if Murakami is like actually
a major league quality bat, Like it's a it's a
worthwhile risk, but it's something that is very much not
a sure thing in any way.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
And for everybody wondering why the White Sox again, why
aren't the Mets involved, Why aren't the Yankees, aren't the
DoD whatever team you want to fill in the blank.
Why aren't they involved? Me and James talked about it
on our other channel to wind up. It's like playing
time thing probably too where the White Sox like' you're
gonna play every single game, man, or you're gonna play
one hundred and forty games and you're gonna play first base.
You're gonna have a chance to develop here. You bring

(05:09):
him into the Mets, because that's what we're talking about here.
You put him at first base and put him at
DH struggles in the month of April. Don't act like
you guys wouldn't be rabbid and booing his ass every
time he's sending him down, Yes, sending him down like
it's probably not the best place to get comfortable in
the majors and kind of learn an elevated way of
playing baseball. For a guy like Murakami who has the
raw tools, you just need to now refine them. And

(05:30):
it's not really easy, as we've seen, to get better
in New York if you have any sort of struggles.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
And just for a comparison, remember Yosh's a stugo here. Boy,
I do remember yo I suck when he was coming
over from Japan to the United States and he signed
with the Rays. He had just slightly under a ten
percent swinging strike rate, and that was his age twenty
seven season. Now it's compared that to Murakami's swinging strike
rate last year and his platform year in the MPB,

(05:55):
it was quick scroll uh seventeen percent. So you're looking
at like strike a swing striker from Murakami that was
twice as much as Yoshi's Asugo, who had great raw power,
not the same raw power as Murakami became the United
States of Americans just simply could not hit major league pitching. Again,
that's it's not me saying Murakami can't. I'm just saying
that there needs to be an adjustment before mura Kami

(06:17):
can hit major league pitching. He's not like a plug
and play. I'm confident this is an elite bat. The
Steamer projections have Murakami is like a twenty five homer guy,
like possibly ten percent better than the league average. It's
like the same they have for Mark Fiantos. It's like
the same they have for Hori Polanco, like say they
have for Brett Bady. So this is just like he's
not He's not a sure thing. He's a fun wild
card thrown to the mix, but I think he could

(06:38):
be he could be disgusting. There's a world where he's awesome.
The one hundred percentile outcome, I've said this before, it's
probably Nick Kurtz or like Devers, like that's what one
hundred percent Tyler is. But the fiftieth percentile is like
Wallner Gallo with no defense, and the Mets can't really
have more of that. As I'm saying, yeah, it's just
it probably wasn't a fit right now based on what
else this was.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
And also, if he is good, he'll be a free
age in two years and we can sign him. Then
we can let him figure it out with another team,
and we could bring him in later if we want him.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
He definitely wanted to go to a place that said
will guarantee you as much playing time as it will take.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
He seems like as the White Sox would have done.
I believe his manager was also formerly with the White
Sox or something like that. There's a White Sox connection
from you from your cool yeah, Wallow. So that's what
Wheels was telling me. My friend in Japan who was
locked into the MVB. There's some sort of White Sox
connection with Murakami back home, so maybe something that would
have been a little more obvious. But clapping up for James,

(07:29):
guys nailed it not only not only on the wind Up,
but he wrote an article and got the aa V
spot on.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I got the AAV right in like early November from
Murkame I sid three for fifty one on the wind Up,
I say, signed with the White Sox. That's obscene, crazy
right crazy, that's crazy, crazy, crazy for the guy who
didn't know his batting average of bitches above nine through
miles an hour.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
But ready for the mail bag. Yeah, let's get into
these mail bags. And uh, I don't know, James, where
do you want to start it? You give me the
first one? All right? I think the first one.

Speaker 2 (07:57):
We're actually gonna go to the metstup discord and we're
gonna the discords. Uh invitation for you guys in the
description below. We've got a great community of just so
many Mets fans chit chatting all day long. You guys
want to talk Mets with some people, Yeah, Mark and
I will chime in there once in a while. But
we got some we got some folks here, But our
friend Nick asked a great question for I think where
we're at in the off season right now, Shout out
the brain Trust, Shout the brain Trust, baby original. If

(08:19):
you were allowed only four more moves this offseason, signing
trades doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
Money is not an issue.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
What would those four moves be? And four is funny?
Nick just said they picked it because that's his lucky number.
But I think this is a good place to start
because I think that's what a lot of Mets fans
want to think about right now, is like, what actually
is happening next? Like we it's a hilariously little amount
of action news information. We're getting no drips drops of
anything right now.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So are we gonna go unrealistic or we're messed up?
We got to keep it realistic, right I think we've
gotta keep it realistic. But what what's not realistic? Is
that crazy thing to say?

Speaker 2 (08:54):
I think, like we're not trained for Terrek Scooble. Yeah,
I think maybe at this point, probably not.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
I think we're not gotta can tell Marte like.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
So again, I think I think my number one realistic,
but would be giving Kyle Tucker like a five year
contract for forty million a year.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Yeah, would you do five four, two fifty fifty million
a year so we'll have I'm just I'm just I'm
just throwing it out there. I mean again, would you
do two for one hundred?

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I would definitely do two for one hundred. Would you
do three for one to fifty? I'd probably do three
for one fifty. I think five for two fifties a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
I'll tell you right now, three for one fifty might
get the deal done.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Three for one fifty it'd be crazy. We'd have two
outfields with a luxury taxa aav hit. I mean again, like,
I think that's I think that's the place for this
team to start. Because we've said it a few times,
like this Met's lineup right now isn't great, Like it's
hard to it's hard to be bad when you have
door especially so though, but like you, we need this
middle section lineup right now needs to be filled out

(09:48):
like we do objective I think, like the Horry Polanco signing,
but he's before this past season. He averaged one hundred
games over the last three years. Like just with knee issues.
Hopefully first base in DH helps with that. Just you
just need we need a better first pace option, we
need the better Dach option, we need the better left
field option. I think if you want to just get
the best possible hit there available, that's Kyle Tucker, and
then you can kind of give Carson Bench the ability

(10:09):
to kind of find his spot rather than say it
was a lot writhing on you opening day.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
You know, I would love to bring in Kyle Tucker.
And I'm every day that goes on more and more.
I'm just starting I'm starting to think we even got
that weird Steve Cohen tweet about how like there's some
articles being written about how this team won't be spending
more money. Is like, surely that's not possible.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
The media marvel. Steve Cohen used the New York Post
as a media marvel, which is kind of cool to see.
And then I guess for the next move we have
to identify a pitcher has to do something like is there.
I wonder we're gonna stack these four moves on top
of each other, because I still I still see a
match with the Padres, and that match probably does include
Ramon Loreano.

Speaker 1 (10:45):
I just like I look.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Around baseball right now, I don't see it I'm sure
that more than any other team. Like they want cold
I say, I guess slash David Peterson, and I don't
see how.

Speaker 1 (10:56):
But then what would they give us just for Ramone loreanoj.

Speaker 2 (11:00):
Marho and Jeremiah Estrada and Nick Pavetta some combination of
those guys.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Well, if they want Senga and Peterson, trading a starting
pitcher would put them in a worse place. I don't
think they want to pay Nick Pavetta.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
I think this year Nick pavetta salary jumps up to
twenty MILLI I think twenty millions. A lot of them,
especially Michael King coming in.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I don't know. I can't. I don't feel the padres
One as much. Listen, I'll take Nick Pavetta. I'm not
gonna be. I'm not anti Nick Povetta or any of
the guys that you mentioned. They'd be good additions to
this team. I just I don't know where. I don't
think the Mets are gonna go after pitching. I really don't.
And I keep going back to frambur three years, one
hundred million dollars in middle of February. That's the one

(11:41):
that I just keep thinking is gonna happen. We've heard
nothing about framber Valdez. We know that the Mets have
interest in Fraanbervaldez. I'm sure it's at their price point.
And if it gets to that middle of February early
February part, why not just be aggressive and just like
bang three for one hundred, come play here?

Speaker 2 (11:57):
Do you know that since Steve com bought the Mets,
they've only signed one player with a qualifying offer attached to.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Them, and that was one Soto. That was one So
though that checks.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
So I think that every when you signed a player
with the qualifying offer attached, you lose your first pick,
your second pick in the draft.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
That's I also wonder though, like with how good their
player development has been. Yea, if that was the time
to do it, yes, because like we do have seven
guys that are going to be free coming up in
the next year that could make an impact on this
major league team, if not more relatively speaking, you could
have one year where you lose one of your higher picks,
like if there was ever a time, definitely at our

(12:34):
systems at that spot now like we have depending on
what lest you look on right now anymore, it's limit
we're anywhere from six to nine top hundred prospects in
this team at this point, like which is crazy to
think about. And between benjam McClain, like two of them
are potentially Megaly. I think we're gonna do our annual
METS Winter Top ten prospects for you guys around Christmas.
That's the next episode this week. But like, imagine if

(12:55):
I told you how good the farm system was and
two of the or one of the pieces that we
traded away justin Verlanderford doesn't even play for this organization anymore.
Then one of our former second round picks that was
like somewhat had a little juice also not in the organization.
Like we we've sent out some guys recently. Still that
good Haze Loos Baias is gone. He's another guy that
would have been I think borderline top one hundred, oh

(13:16):
for sure. And again just to clarify, you'r you don't
lose your first pick. You lose like the second round, right,
a second, the fourth or something, depending on where you are.
Also in the luxury tax like it's a it's kind
of convoluted. I still even to do that though, Let's
say we get Framburg you, it's not going to be
like Michael King. Like people are also up in arms
on the Mets not doing the Michael King deal. The
Michael King deal only existed because the Padres didn't have

(13:39):
to give up assets to sign him. Because the're resigning
him the qualifying offer, which has affected other teams. It
seems like Michael King really wants the ability to opt
out after one year he basically had he basically took
the qualifying offer, and he if he can if he
basically did the pe Alonzo contract from and last year,
if for some reason, I'm not wishing anything, but let's
just say something goes catastrophically wrong for him. Right, he's
the worst pitcher in baseball. He can just keep picking

(14:00):
up options and getting paid now.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
And getting raises they got we got more money for
the next few years. But also if he if he
does a year like this, that he just similar to
the one in twenty twenty four, I get two hundred
million dollars, Yeah, which is like, that's a great spot
for Michael King. So I just think that I'm sure
a team like the Mets, I'm sure other teams like
the Red Sox, the Orioles we're giving Michael King contract
offers where you can opt that after two, we'll give
you the fourth one for free.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
And he was like, I want a chance to opt
out after one. That's kind of where that is.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
So so we're just we're getting rid of quality of
the penalty. We're doing three years of Framber, we'll opt
out after the second, and we're doing three years of
Kyle Talker a fifty million aavy.

Speaker 1 (14:31):
Yeah, why not, right, We're getting crazy.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
So we just put eighty mili in the books. We're
way more expensive than we were last year.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (14:37):
We've got two moves left. Which reliever do you want?
Realistically around the league? Maybe this is how we get
Jeremiah Estrada from the Padres.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Now you think, so, okay, I'll give you that one.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
What if there's a world because again, like we saw
Hunter Dobbins as a headliner for a player like Wilson
and Treres, Like, can there just be kind of like
a sproute for Jeremiah Estrada.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
I'd make that trade right now. I wonder if they
there would how much we have to juice that? What's Jeremiah?
I know throws like one hundred and three is slider.
Is he is that his next pitch? Yeah, he's he's
a freak of nature, not saying that they're gonna be.
So is there any world removing sports of the bullpen?
We could get a demon like he throws so hard?

Speaker 2 (15:11):
There is he throws so hard, but like it's always
going to be a bit of a dead zone shape
like you, it's like where Strata does, and the Strada
has like true cut ride, like Estrada has.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
The perfect fastball.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
He's probably is a top five individual fastball and all
of baseball. And he also has the split, so that's
a good left epla two neutral pitch where the slider's
one uses for the right.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
He is he's like built in the lap.

Speaker 2 (15:30):
Which is crazy that he was released, but it's like ups, Yeah,
it's unbelievable. Thing, Like I wonder how package that starts
with spro and ends with a strata.

Speaker 1 (15:38):
What we have to do in the middle. There's probably
just like one little another like couple maybe young very
far away prospects. Maybe we have to find some money
to take off their team. We do. We just have to.

Speaker 2 (15:49):
There has to be something like that. But like that's Veta.
But then also Vetta's still kind of good. So it's like,
I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I don't know. We were sixteen minutes and we got
to one question. That's fine, that's what people wanted. We
said we're gonna be a three minutepisodess gonn forty minutes.
Let's just say, let's just we got a Strada. That's
our third one. Yeah, that's what there. We got Strada.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
We did the package around Sproute, and we figured out
something else somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
And the fourth player wants Luis Robert. You what you
would do Robert and Tucker? I would say it would
be Bear or Tucker. The reason I think you need
Robert if you get Tucker then is because you're gonna
have two guys that are not great defenders in the corner.
You got a lockdown center field defense.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
And even Tyron Taylor does lockdown centerfield defense.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Yeah he's also he had he had a five hundred
ops last year. No sure, but if you if you
have Kyle Tucker and want so th in your lineup,
I can afford the five hundred ops. What this is
a dream scenario. I don't. We can have the seven
hundred ops guy, great defense next question was we had
to four moves to complete the offseason. If right at cool,
but then but then what's our infield? So then you're
going into next season with Mark Fianzo's full time DH,

(16:49):
Horey Polanco first base and uh Ryan Ryan Clifford. Put
Ryan Clifford at first base? Right then, so he's like
twenty two years old.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think if we only have one move left, I
would I would move into the infield. I would find
that's the thing I would. I would more look like
to find the DH. If we have that last move left.
I don't want bench to DH like I don't want
to my twenty two year old DH.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
And who in the world could that even be? Let's
think this the podcast that's gonna go for Okamoto, I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
It's seemed really quiet on him too. He oddly he
feels like a really good fit for this roster.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
Oh, of course he does. He could play first, third, DH,
even corner outfield if you needed it in a pinch, like.

Speaker 2 (17:24):
He feels like an amazing last piece to fit in here.
Let's just do just for the sake of Sarez. It's
one of those two. Suarez to me feels like a
met I've been saying that now for like a week
or two, Like that's to me, he's a guy that
you can kind of make him and Hori Planco do
the same thing like first in DH, like whoever throws
up a spring training and is better at this first
base thing, whoever's is quicker you could you can now

(17:44):
play it.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
And then whoever's not DH is also like in a pinch,
he's he's probably still a better third baseman than Mark
Viento's if you really needed to.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Don't don't don't be meet to Suarez said some great
seasons people like short step four years ago.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
For the right and then second base like again, if
you needed to, Horri Poluncle could play second. He also
could play third again if you really needed them to
show and Jeff McNeil is still on the roster for
better or worse, give me Au Janeo Swaz that will
be our fourth move. That's our last Robert. But just
know in my heart I still want Louis Robert. I'm
assuming we're going to get another ro Beart questions, so
let's 's keep it moving. Let's find one, all right,
Let's go with this next one from Shannon Marcanna enthusiast.

(18:20):
With every passing day, I think there's less and less
of a chance we trade our main pitching prospects we
could realistically get with at we could realistically get without
any of them included, or who could we get. I
can't read, it's so late in the day. Also, want
to know your favorite Mets game you've ever been to.
Mine was the twenty fifteen floor as walk off. Love
you guys, so I've had Let me think of my

(18:41):
favorite Mets game first, Yeah, I mean like the World
Series won for me in twenty fifteen, where the Mets
one was pretty unbelievable. Game five against the Phillies was great.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
Also, Game five against the Dodgers was nice because it
kind of felt like we were dead and the team
just showed up and put up crazy runs in the
first two winnings and the Temptations performed pre game.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
That was really nice.

Speaker 2 (18:57):
But like going past that, the game that David Wright
hit the walk off of Mariano in two thousand and six,
that was like a it was a symbolic moment for
the draft.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
That game. I was at that game ten year old
James to go.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
I was like watching that happen, like watching that comeback
in the ninth inning and like that when David Wright
was becoming David Wright, and like that was my guy.
And I was sitting the old Shay in the four
hundreds the mezzanine behind home plate, so like the perfect
view of like a flyball going over the center fielders
head and I was just like, oh my god, but
that was pretty sick.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
And I think that was my favorites Luiski or my
home run against the Nationals too, just a rand. Yeah,
we're both at not really friends at the time. We
weren't hanging out, which is funny. And Luiski or may
home run against what was it, Fernando Rodney, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
After so though hit the home run the ending before
taking against the Mets, which is funny think about. But
Channon's real question less of a chance we trade the
main pitching prospect prospects who could realistically get without any
of them included, it's gonna be ugly. I think it
goes back to like again Paveda, he's the one because
he's expensive and he's definitely a mid rotation guy. Like

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I don't know, we're seeing right now the white some
of these trades for bats are going Like the fact
that Richard Fitz and Hunter Dobbins from the Red Sox
got moved for pretty legit pieces shows the value of young, controllable,
back end starter types. So I do think that just
it's going through hard to trade for a guy like
who's who's really a seller in Major.

Speaker 1 (20:15):
League basebar and now that actually has something to sell.
Like I'm looking at the Angels, like do you want
anybody on that team? What do you think is Ryan
Peppio attainable? I mean they they said that his name
was floated in the yeah with Kente marteinne. I think
also the Orioles were trying to get Peppio, but bos

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was the best that they were getting offered back.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
It seemed like Jeff passed now the Freudian sleep. If
any guys were watching the coverage after the Shamee Boz
Orioles trade on Friday, he accidentally mentioned Ryan Clifford's name.
That made me think that the Mets might have been
talking about Shane Boz and like Ryan Clifford was part
of their package to them.

Speaker 1 (20:56):
But like I also I wonder if Drew Rasmussin's available,
He's been great, like since coming back from injury. But
he's like that he's so scary. Oh yeah, there's he
could sleep funny and that's the end of his career.
Mackenzie Gore, But I think he still would cost a bunch.
I think that look what, look what Shane Bo's got.
Mackenzie Gore is better than him.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
Is he?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
I guess Shane boss last year on the road was
like a top thirty picture top.

Speaker 1 (21:22):
I still think Mackenzie Gore is probably better. I like
them both. I also think that it's important with.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
This trio, and it's Tom McLain Sprote that Spros just
not on par with the other guys. Like Sprote is
a good prospect, the other guys are great prospects. McLain's
just a great picture. Tom's a great prospects sprot it's
a good prospect. I think that if you ask some
people in the Mets front office right now, they might
tell you that they preferred Will Watson to Brandon Sprote. Honestly, god,

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same with possibly Jack Wendry. If you twisted somebody's arm
like he's I think that he's kind of divisive right now.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
He to me is likely to be traded.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
But I think you can create a package for a
guy like Pepio around guys like Watson, Santucci, Ryan Clifford,
things like that.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Nature. Yeah, I'm trying to see if there's like any
other guy that could be interesting on this team. I mean, like,
could you could.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
You steal the Dolo from the Reds if you gave
the major league stuff back? The Reds have good pitching depth,
they're low the Mets.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Like, but that would actually know that doesn't hurt the
Mets because we're not trying to give up one of
these pitching prospects. So Brett, maybe that's what it is.
Maybe you give Maybe this is like Ryan Clifford.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Like where where's the Reds have? Reds have just so
many corner guys in that team, but they're bad. Yeah,
like where who would really want Jet? Like who wants
someone that defensively can play shortstop? But you still question
where the bat winds up at the major.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Leagues defensively play shortstop, you wonder where the bat winds up.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (22:41):
The Guardians, I mean everyone, the Guardians, that's kind of
exactly what they do. The Tigers, what would the Tiger
could we get but then we come back to school.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
There and it's not that's not going to happen, seems
like anymore. I don't I really Resulson is he available?
I would take a shot on res I bet you
Jack Clarty's available, my.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Fucking guy right there, But no results is my command, king.
I just I do wonder where that. It's just this
market trademarket seems weird right now, like that those bas
and low trades back to back, loud trades back to back.
On Friday, I was like, WHOA like to pop the
live off? But it's hard to find Mattress. I think
I'll come back to Pepio. I think Pepio is a
guy that probably is attainable, and I do like him
a lot.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
I think he's.

Speaker 2 (23:20):
A bona fide major League three with even a hint
of upside. He could start in a playoff series. I
wouldn't feel bad about that, and you probably can get him.
But like with the slew of our back end top
one hundred guys like the Watson, the the Clifford, possibly
a jet like someone like that.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I also just like I'm gonna say something crazy. I
don't know, just going to the year with the rotation.
Let's see what we got. Okay, Well, that's that's good.

Speaker 2 (23:44):
I saw someone have this question, so I'm gonna find
it right now and then say it.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
I'm scrolling scrolls like I'm grolling. I'm so ready to
plant my flag, and like everyone's like, Mets need an ace.
An ace always helps. I'm not saying no, we got
our race already. Hear this.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
I got the question right here from Nick ob six
to one oh three. How would you guys feel if
we went to the season was basically the rotation depth
we have now more of a quantity over quality approach.
We kind of hinted at this the beginning of the
off season that this felt possible, and I think the
main reason is that we just have a lot of
pictures under contract right now. It seemed like the only
way to get the meaningful addition towards the top of

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the rotation was to send.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
A guy out to create space.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
So we want to leave space for these these prospects
come up over the next year and two. So like
with McLean, Peterson, Holmes, Manaiah Sanga, at this exact moment
with Tong and Sprote ready to go and with again
Wender and Watson not super far behind like you.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
And Christian Scott and Christian Scott and even Cooper Chris Well.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Like as the swing man likes. It's disgusting, that is
to say like this, it's hard to figure out who
leaves if someone arrives. And we also we have so
many off days. Have got again, you guys are getting
ready for my annual schedule rantom the same half way
usually January February. We have three coast trips in the
first like nine weeks of the season. It's insane, which
is so ass backwards.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Pisses me off so much.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
But with that, we have tons off days both days
with schedule until June. Like, I don't even think we
need to start the guy on a fifth day until
the middle of June. I was looking at the other day.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
Yeah, they like no one's everyone's gonna scream and yell
at me. But I just don't see a realistic way
right now where this Mets rotation actually gets any sort
of better. And I'll see people be like, we should
go sign like some of those like back end starters
that are just like total like like whatever Bassett Martinez
like that. Then I'm like, why, Like what do we

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need Nick Martinez and Chris Bassett for? Like Sean and
I have stunk last year. We know what part of
the reason why I'm down. We gotta see what he's got.
He's here for another two years, guys, Like, he's not
going anywhere code I stunk at the end of the year,
but he's He's shown his flashes. I'm not trying to
convince people that this rotation is good. I'll never do that.
This is not a good rotation. I won't feel that.
But I don't know, Like Nick Martinez is gonna make you,

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guys feel better. You want to bring Chris Basset back,
who shipped down his leg in the biggest game for
the Mets in his career.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Like Chris Bassil looked great this year moving to a
ball Yeah, he got starter, but he was also the
same like classic regular season Chris Bassic guy last the
thing the Mets were missing last year, like was that
meat potato?

Speaker 1 (26:14):
Sure, but regular season starter. They might just they might
just be the entire rotation. Yeah again, they might be.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
I think last year the rotation was abysmal and abominable,
but we also got like worst case scenario outcomes every
half of them, basically everyone besides Clay Holmes. In like
first three months of the year, David Peterson was David.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Peterson going into September, I think had a three to
one e R and it finished at four to two.
Like he couldn't have pitched worst the last month.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
No, I was I'm again, I'm doing I'm on they
my personal choum and have video coming out about the
Mets situation right now. And I was looking at like
early season Dave Peterson.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Like what the was so good? And I was like,
had that happened?

Speaker 2 (26:52):
But it's just I do think that with every passing
day there's a much greater chance of that and I
won't feel great about it, but I also won't feel
as a rule about it. I think is the average
Mets fan truthfully, because I'm that same both because there's
there's wicked upside on McLain and Tongue and and today
sanga next year it really is on those three guys,
and like.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
Christian Scott, we could see what he's got, Britain sprote
as okay as he was last year. Like again, you
might just close youize and be like, oh, it's it's
Chris Ascid, Like why can't he be Chris Bassett.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, I mean he's probably needs like nine more pitches
to do it, but I think sure, I know, yeah,
with every passing day it gets a little.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
Or Nick Martinez, why can't he be Nick Martinez? Like
Nick Martinez too, Like I really don't have I don't know,
you want to pay that guy us currency? Like I
don't not.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Really that kind of feels like we have Nick Martinez
at home with some of these prospects.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
I really just don't know. Also, people are underselling Clay Holmes.
Just keep that, always undersell Clay Holmes.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I think so Clay Holmes also, like I'm hoping that
Clay Holmes pitch is better this year because the second
year in the rotation, he also just way out ran
all of his like underlying stats last year.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Like there's a lot of good and bad with Clay Holmes.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Where I don't know, there probably is a world where
if something happens with Clay Hoolmes next year, like he
could be back in the bullpen at some points, depending
on if we add another reliever.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
There's also world with Clay Homes could actually take a
step forward across.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
The board, like there's team Clay Holmes tm USA, play Homes,
sneak event tm USA, Nolan McLain like sneaky, very wide
range of outcomes on Clay Holmes.

Speaker 1 (28:12):
And I'm also just obsessed with Nolan McLean So yeah,
I think kind of rightfully so like Nolan McLain is
top top picture in baseball, top thirty around that he's
a freak of nature. All right, let's find another question
to talk about here. Which one did you just read, James?
Who is that from? That was from Nick ob Okay,
I'm gonna go to Oh, that's another pitching one. Man.
A lot of these are all about the young pitchers.
I have a good one that we're good from the discord.

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I could read it, all right.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
This is from this smart guy, Michael Morgan, who right
now is a Jorrie Palanco truther. Who are the three
prospects most most likely to help the big league club
next year that haven't debuted yet or are not considered
mainstream So no Carson, benjellout.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
And this is probably a little precursor because.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
We're gonna do our top ten prospects either Christmas Day
or Boxing Day.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
This week, So Boxing Day's cramzy.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
I got the acknowledge Boxing Day all right, I will say,
is is Ryan Clifford mainstream? I think Ran Cliffords getting mainstream,
but I'm happy to give Ryan Clifford some love in
this segment.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
There's a world of the Clifford's up next year playing
first base by like June, I think there's totally a
world if he just comes out and the play discipline
is incredible. We know he makes good swing decisions. He
swings and misses a bit, but like the eggs of
veelos are crazy. If he just rakes and triple a
the first two months and the Mets are kind of
still wishy washy at first base, DH, why not? Definitely?

Speaker 2 (29:25):
He Also the only thing why not is because we've
just seen how reluctant the Mets are with the forty
man roster clocks, and I think he has another year,
if I want to say correctly, because he was twenty
twenty two draft pick.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I'll double check on that right now.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
But I think I don't think the baseball world's kind
of acknowledging how amazing Clifford's been aged to level like
he was just twenty one years old in triple A,
like that's really rare to do, and he made again.
He was very passive, but like the power's crazy legit.
The swing decisions are crazy legit, Like he's, oh, he
has me in the forty man by the end of
this next season. Anyways, maybe he's a guy that can

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I think also another one like this guy's moving up
like a rocket.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
I don't know if next year is the year. I
think it's probably the year after.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
But I just wanted to again mention aj Ewing yep,
like I think we helped put him on some of
your guys radars, our mid season top ten where I
think he likes snuck into my top five just because
it seems like it seems like he's a freak defensively
in center field and a good enough hither to be
like at least like a league average with some helium
on that.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Like he he's.

Speaker 2 (30:23):
Hit the ball relatively hard, he pulls the ball a lot,
the swing decisions look good. He looks like a good,
rock solid major leaguer type.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
I want to give some shine to our boy, Ryan Lambert.
I think I think that's I would be shocked if
Ryan Lambert's on the major league roster at some point
by June this year. I truly would be surprised. He
just he has all the stuff. I guess we just
need to see what that fastball is gonna look like
at Triple A a little more consistently, but like he's got
to turn out the command still for sure. But the
stuff he throws one hundred in two that's gonna play.

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Put it near the zone, it's gonna play. No, it's yeah,
it's pretty amazing.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
And he goes to put Dylan Ross in that same
group because Dylan Ross is on the forty. The man,
Dylan Ross will be a part of the Major League
ballpeny consideration this year.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
He's gonna be one of the up and down guys
all year.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
Yeah, and I think that it's good to have our
up and down guy throw a hundred but not know
where it's going, like those guys throwing one hundred but
having some command issues.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
That's what we want from up and down type guys.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I also want to just give another quick shout Jonathan Pinaro.
I think that we got a bad little taste of
him last year, but there's exciting stuff for him. It's
a fun arm slot and good breaking balls that play
off of fastball. There's there's a world where Jonathan Pinaro
kind of is. There's gonna be gross, like a better
version of what Brandon Waddell was this year where you
give you can give Bintaro some spot starts when the
rotation feels a little bit thin and you start to

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get you start to get some like a little bit
of excitement.

Speaker 1 (31:39):
I think.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Also if DH is open, like I think Jacob Brimer
is also interesting, like he has to be added to
the forty man by the end of next year. Anyway,
we have some great batt of ball data on him,
like he's a a big, strong young man fan of
the draft neck Mark channel, Like he's he's someone there
should be some excitement about.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
I also keeping EyeT On Douglas was Oreana or I
believe is his last name. Twenty three year old. He's
been in the bullpen and last year he got to
triple A. The numbers weren't great, but he throws like
ninety six ninety seven. That's always something I'm interested to
take a look at.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
No, definitely, he's had some good some good uh pitch
stuff grades too.

Speaker 1 (32:14):
All right, let's go to another question here ooh, I
like this After a variety of David Stern's offseason so far,
what would you say is the look ahead plan to
twenty twenty seven? Besides going in on school ball, is
there a like interest elsewhere?

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Lexiar's free agent class is a bit weak. It's bad,
It's pretty bad besides schoolble. But I also think that
I think that we're gonna go for lack of a
bether turn balls to the wall for Trek Scooble. Yeah,
like we might be doing something this year. And I
never want to draw one to on comparisons, But do
you remember the Dodgers twenty twenty three offseason before Otania
and Yamo though, off the top of my head, no,

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they let everybody go. They let trade turn a walk
right after they left Corey seeger walk. They didn't re
sign any of the guys who've been there for a minute.
They shave down their payroll heavily after getting swept in
the NLDS by the Padres and then that eff I
think that was no, that was three one Padres. And
then the twenty twenty three season they got swept by
the diamond Back. Yes, yes, and that year they gave
like two thousand play appearances to like James Outman, Jason Hayward,

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Miguel Vargas, like it was a David Peralta. It was
an unbelievably mid Dodgers team relative to the Dodgers, and
then next year they're like, we're gonna spend a billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
So I do think that seeing.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Schooble out there, I think he's the unicorn where you
give him all the money in the world because he
just might be the greatest pitcher on earth. For like
he signing him to a ten year deal with thirty
kind of to me feels a little bit like the
the shurs Or contract he got for the Nationals, where, yeah,
I think that's just when it's worth it, like that Tigers,
it gets good. It was just funny, but it's like
ten for three fifty highest paid pitcher ever, just to

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give him come to be special.

Speaker 1 (33:49):
Some context of who the possible free agents will be
in the next drap in the next offseason, Anthony Rendone
technically could be one of the guys Michael King if
he opts out Kevin he's getting thirty two million dollars.
Though if he opts in, so just again, keep that
in mind, George Springer, Robbie Right, Derek Scougle, Brandon Woodruff,
Kevin Gosman, Chris Sale, Jose Barrios if he opts out,
but I can't imagine he will because he's getting again money. Uh,

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Jamison ty One, your favorite boy, Jack Flaherty opt out.
I do like Saya. I like Saya, say someone I
would circle as a like possible DH option.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
I would also love like a Chris Sale contract like
the one we gave Schurzer. Yeah, that to me, I
like a lot.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
But is a free agent as well. He's a kind
of fun ish one. It's it's next year's.

Speaker 2 (34:34):
Free agent classes, not one to like, you know, save
all your assets for, which is kind of.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Why I think what jazz chism free agent.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
Jazz would be fun to have on this team. Again,
we've talked about Paveda like it's again, when he's got
the club option, what are they gonna pick it up?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Hey, Seusse Lazardo is going to be the guy that
is like talked about as like a premier free agent
next year, Like I mean, if the Marlins don't pick
up twenty million dollars option for Sandy.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
Which I'm sure they will.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
But like it's again, like it's not a good Nico
Horner would be a fascinating free agent next year. Like
it's not again it's not a very good class, but
like you have the jewel to the top, which your
school boy, David Peterson.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Let's see, you gotta bring him back. Well, they bring
David Peterson back?

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (35:12):
Or no?

Speaker 1 (35:14):
Probably not? Yeah, I don't think so. I think they're
just because we have so much it would have to
be such a crazier where David Peterson does something, you
get so much better, and every pitching prospect looks way
worse than we ever expected.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
Or it's the opposite, David Peterson just again doesn't take
a step forward. You're bringing back like one for twelve
just to maintain status quo.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
All right, I got another one.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
I gotta go in from the discord here from not
Swiss between starting pitcher, first base, center field, and left field,
what positional vacancy are you the most concerned about, if
not filled via traded free agency by opening day?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
My pick is easily one of the outfield positions, and
probably left field more just because between left and center,
like you kind of mentioned, you can still kind of
get some value out of center field just by having
an elite glove out there. And yeah, in the worst
way possible. If it's Tyrone Taylor and Carson Bench platooning, like,
I think that's probably gonna still be fine. It's gonna

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be okay. You get good defense and then probably better
hitting with Carson Bench is there. But if we like
go into the season with like an Austin Hayes type
in left field, like I'm gonna be I'm gonna be
violently depressed.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
Yeah, I agree with that, especially because I think we're
all very hopeful and very confident in Carson Bench. But
also when he got to Triple A last year, he
wasn't tremendous, Like a lot of the underlying stuff was
quite good. Like he was still hitting the ball hard,
and he wasn't striking out. I mean, he was striking
out a good bit, but was taking his walk swing
decisions were good. But it's just like I would like
Carson Bench to play more baseball at Triple A than
hitting one seventy eight for a month, even though again

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we know the underlying stuff is good.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
We're very confident in Carson Bench. If he has to
be her opening day.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
But I don't want to make it like he has
to be here out opening day, Like I want him
to have to earn that spot, Like I don't want
a bad spring train and Carson bench after a bad
month of triple a Carson Bench to be the opening
day left fielder.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
That's like, that's just a lot of pressure for the
young man. So is outfield your spot too? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (36:52):
I think that fields my spots. I'm I'm confident we
can make shit for a space at this point. Like
I'm confident Horie Polanco is a bad and I think
that we probably do sign and Okamoda or Ryan O'Hearn.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah, probably good chance. Yeah, yay, it's probably the one.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
But like outfield is where you want some more punch,
Like we we feel like we felt like we traded
Brandon Nimo to open up a spot to get some
more punch.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
I want to actually get some punch. I got a
good one here from Ethan Briggs. If you had truth
serum and can ask one question to Cohen, Sterns and
Carlos Mendoza, what would it be? I like that that's
a fun one. Wow, Steve Cohen, first question, did you
buy the Mets just for the Casino's my first question.
That's my first question. First question. Do you like the
mess Yankees when you're growing up here? For real?

Speaker 2 (37:35):
But I think that's a fair one for Steve Cohen.
I think another one for Steve Cohen would be like,
what was the post article that major freak out on
Tweter the other day? I'd like, I'd like to know
that one.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
I'll throw another one out there too. How involved are
you in the decision making? Can tell me? Tell me
how involved you are in what players come in and
out of this organization. If we have all three in
the room, I would ask that to the board.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
With this year, I'm like, I want to know, like
last year between Stearns and those like, why was Mark
Fianto's playing so much defense?

Speaker 1 (38:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:03):
Like why did it like did it take until the
second to last day of the year to kind of say,
like be really mad publicly about how bad he was
from us because me and you saw Marciento's play third
base years ago, Like it's not gonna work there, guys,
there's no shot. And you were even being nice and
like maybe he could work on this offseason and get better,
and then you saw what an off season of work
did and you were like, you can't play it.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
That's not a position for him. No, which again is fine.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Again maybe maybe could do it again, like maybe a lot,
there's more hard work to be done. I will never
like count a player out in general, but like that
would be and what's some other truth see him for
David Starr, David Stearns, how badly did you want to
trade Brandon Emo?

Speaker 3 (38:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Like be like, was that actually the off season priority
was getting out from under that contract?

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Yeah, that's a good one. I like that. Another one
I would want to ask them as well, what trades
almost happened that didn't happen?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
Yeah, I think part of it would be like, how
of these trades that were made, what was our comparable package?

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Where did you go? Like was there bidding that their changing?

Speaker 2 (38:55):
I felt I still do feel like the Contreras thing,
he got traded for much more than I expected beginning
the off season. Yes, was that a case where with
maybe us first of them for the last two weeks
and the rest I just did it. It was spiral like mess,
We're not going over that, Like that's possible.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Carlos Mendoza, I'd ask him what did Eric Chaves do
last year? What was his job? I would ask him
why Korea was the first ballpen guy used that. That's
a good one. Break, Yeah, a really good one. I'd
also say, why did Paul Blackburn come come in against
the Rays in the middle of June for no reason?
That's a good one, I'd say. I'd say, what's your
relationship with Adam Anavino? Like, that's a good one. I'd

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like that one.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
I've I've done so well to like compartmentalize everything that happened,
like game decisions whise last season, to the point where
I can't recall like the individual plays anymore.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
They actually what was our boy was a star? About
their base coach? Jesus, who you think about would you
think about his sins and holds last year? Would you
I think the the not sending Tyrone Taylors literally why
we didn't make the playoffs just so everybody knows. I mean,
it's one game here there anywhere. I think those were
That was a good question. That is a good question
from Ethan. And then I I do have I think

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a good ender. Right, We're I had a good spot
forty minutes here, I we could get, well, probably two
more we have We've only answered like five. I know,
but that's that's the you pick one from the discord again. Okay, Well,
because I've got I've got mine circled for the last
question I got.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Let's see how scroll we'll say, Oh, do you want
that one to be the last question?

Speaker 1 (40:15):
Yeah, that would be the last question. So if you
have a couple of these, are your chance to rattle
them off right now? Because there was a couple I
want to rattle off real quick.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
I think these are good, but these are also quick answers.
So we got here from Darth Bay, the good name nice.
How many play appearances would you need before you got
to hit off an average major league picture?

Speaker 1 (40:30):
And the answer is an infinity? No, I think I can.
I think you could give me who's the average major
league picture? Who was the most average major league pitcher?
I mean, let's let's look. Let's see who's got like
an e r A plus at a four four to
one e r A last year. Let's see that. How
do I find that number? You're a oh, they don't
have RRA A plus on fangrafts. They do like a

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deep advanced like section I'll just I'll just find a
four e R a guy.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
Yeah, because last year league wide league average e RA
was likeer won six Dean Kramer. Honestly, I think if
you give me one hundred at bats, I was gonna
give myself two hundred and fifty bats. Is there an
in with a full team behind, because if they if
there's defense chance.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Let's what I said at the beginning of this, I think,
I mean because I think we'll put the ball in play.
I think we will. I have to.

Speaker 2 (41:16):
I have to get a breaking ball, and I have
to lay that breaking ball, drop it over the second
basement's head.

Speaker 1 (41:20):
And that's the only possible hit him. Geaint. Well that yeah,
that's what I got in my game against the pickles.
I'm like, does the right fielder have the ability to
play one hundred and twenty feet away? I'm not getting
a hit? Yeah, Like if I put the ball in
the air to the outfield, to right field, is that
just a guaranteed hit? Like we don't we don't have
to worry about me beating the throat.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
At first, It's like it's like a like a you know,
playing backyard baseball hit where like you're playing with your friends,
and a hit is like what you all considered to
be a hit.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
Yes, I think I think if you gave me one
hundred at bats, I could get one.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
I don't think I can get one hundred that bats
like you. I would have to be sitting up there
being like I know, with pitchers comming, because he might
just be gassing ninety four the whole time, like, oh yeah, Christ,
this is hard.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I would I would just like to think one hundred
at bats I could, I could maybe sneak one against
Dean Kramer. But also at the same time, maybe probably
not No.

Speaker 2 (42:02):
Two hundred that bad's minimum, and I think probably actually
never catch eighteen.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
Year old Mark. I feel a lot more confident, oh,
nearly thirty year old Mark, which could be tough.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
There was another one here, a good one from our
boy Manny. It was with your true thoughts in the
Jonahtan Grilled Cheese. If you guys haven't watched Helly said
it before Nolan McClain's interviews on pitching Ninja just unbelievable stuff,
like I love these guys, I'll go the war for them,
I'll protect Jodah Tongue with my life. So just to
let you guys know the Jonan Tong grilled cheese is
butther pan butther both sides of the bread, a few

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pieces of marble cheese.

Speaker 1 (42:32):
And then Canadian maple syrup on the grilled cheese. And
this is what I'm gonna tell you, guys, shout out
ya ya. I grew up with that. She would make
me French toast every day when I was growing up.
She'd like, you know, wash me while my parents went
to work, and Yaya would make me French toast. And
in that French toast in the middle of it because
she would take like two pieces of white bread, dip
them in the egg. Wouldever put a little sugar, cinnamon,
whatever she did on there, slice the cheese in the middle,

(42:55):
fry it up, put it on the plate an Jemima's
maple syrup. That shit smacked sweet and salty. It's unbelievable.
I recommend everyone tried. I stand with Jonah Tong. I
might give the try just for John and Tong. And
then one last quick one again from Sam. We've talked
about this a little bit.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
We know that Sterns is not opportunists, which are the
bigger free agents with underwhelming Marcus do you see the
Mets possibly targeting towards the end of the off season.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I think this is.

Speaker 2 (43:16):
Notable because the last few off seasons, we've just seen
so many if a team wait is opportunistic, We've seen
so many good players sign at.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
The end of the off season for nothing, and we
saw when the Mets were not. When the Mets jumped
the gun last year, it was one of the worst
moves you could ever made, one hundred percent.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
But that's how we ruined the off season basically like
the last few years, like we've had Matt Chapman, Bregman, Snell,
Pete Ta, Oscar Nandez Paveta, Bellinger like cheap ass contracts
in February.

Speaker 1 (43:39):
And March mag if the Mets just waited on Sean
and Iah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
Yeah, I mean it seems like Sean and I would
have got signed last year though, which also would not
have been the worst thing. But I think that Frambour
and Bellinger are the ones that very immediately comes to
my mind, and probably Zach Gallan because of that qualifying offer.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Fair. Yeah, I Framber's my pick. That's because just continue
to be my pick. I still I still weirdly think
he's just gonna be a Met by the end of
the offseason.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Yeah, I think if I think if Bellinger takes another
three year deal, I think he'll be a Met as well.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
And his market seems kind of dead. Does that report
real what he wants? No, Scott Bors came out so
that it was fake. Oh okay, okay, Yeah, I was like,
which is I mean, Cody Bellinger would have CT if
that was the case. No, I think. I mean Cody
Belner three times.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
In the last five off seasons has gone through the
off season without getting the contract he wanted. I don't
know why after this year with poor bad ball metrics,
and now he'll get it.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
Can I throw a fun one at you before we
give you last question? Oh? Yeah, Alex Bregman. Yeah, I mean,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (44:31):
I just I think that I think this team would
be reluctant to go off baby, But I don't think
Baty would stop them from getting Bregman. No, they we
know there was at least some interest in Bregman last year. Yeah,
and his mark would have to create it. But I
think if if his market crater's like the Red Sox was,
just give him the same offer we give him He'll
just picked a.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Fair back there. Yeah, I think that's fair. I just
want to things out there. Last question, this comes from
s O on Twitter. He says, how much trust slash
faith do you guys have in the front office. I
think that's a good one to end it with as
it going, and on what are we doing?

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Like one to ten's you were twe hundred, yeah, zero
to one hundred. I think I'm still in the eighties.
I'm gonna say I'm I'm like low seventies right now.
Just give me seventy percent.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
I still believe that they know what they're doing, but
I've dropped in the full blind faith because last year
sucked and I selfishly I don't know what's going on.
To stroke my own ego here, I have no clue
what's going on. Yeah, the day after the one solo contract,
I was one hundred and fifty. Yeah, three hundred. You
could told me like it doesn't matter what happens over
the next two years. We got WATSO and I'd be like, sure, deal,

(45:33):
sign me up. And then now that it last year sucked,
is like, ah shit, what happened?

Speaker 2 (45:37):
I am just I'm just so confident in where the
farm system is right now, and I think that's kind
of grounding me and keeping me very high, like the
way that as bad as the major league team was
last year, like our fucking minor league teams crushed. Yeah,
these players got good, like we got we got reports
that Mitch Voyd might be a plus defensive shortstop right
now when they had a big light kick on him,
like he might be a dude, like well, Watston looks
sick whenser looks sick, like these are a back end

(45:59):
hundred guys, Hey, look, this is not something we've ever
been able to enjoy as Mets fans, positive player development processes.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
I mean, just think about like when we were like kids.
It was like Craig Brazil. I remember hearing about him
and Eddie Kuhns forever, and like those guys don't even
think sniffed more than like ten total appearances at the
major league level.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
When we were kids, Like we'd hold we'd grab one prospect,
hold on them for dear life because we know when
we were ever going to get another. Nope, like that
that's like kind of cool right now, Like Bench could
walk in next year and be legit like Bench has
are very good. Yeah, Bench's rookie could be like slightly
above average defensive center field and like fifteen percent Betting
League gaverage with the stick, and we have a couple
Rookie of the Year like favorites arguably going into the season.

(46:37):
Like there's a world where next year, Carson Bench, when
you do twelve days of rankings next Christmas season could
be like.

Speaker 1 (46:41):
A top seven centerfielder. Yeah, that will position super weak.
So yeah, that's what I'm saying. If the top five
and like a top ten like left fielder came to that, Yeah,
I think there's a world where it's definitely possible based
on what we've seen, But seventy percent confidence. I need
to see a little bit more. It's not blind confidence anymore.
But no, they still got to know more than me.
That's why they're getting paid. Yeah, like in a vacuum,
I understand what he's not.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
It's just it definitely hurts for all this stuff to happen,
But I still I can really squint and still get
it almost like all together.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Is what makes it hurt really badly?

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yes, but I understand conceptually why all of these are
happening the way they are.

Speaker 1 (47:18):
Like if Pete a Lonzo left last last offseason. I
feel a lot better than this offseason.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
A bit, just because that qualifying offros again, Like I think,
I don't know, no one else in the league was
giving him five years besides yours.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
See us in the Red Sox, where the other two
shooters were like maybe four yeah, twist five yeah five? Whatever? Gus. Oh,
Frankie Peppers. Frankie Peppers is back. First of the off season.
I had.

Speaker 2 (47:40):
I had to remind myself that in the replies to
this suite, I almost forgot.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Did he give us like an updated one or this
is an older one?

Speaker 2 (47:46):
This is one that came in a week ago, last
wedd This this past Wednesdays could be dated, it could
be he told me it was pretty evergreen, And I
feel like this might have some raw emotions after Pete Edwin.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
Especially so Eltier. Frankie Peppers. It out. Frankie Peppers. A
lot of new a lot of new viewers too.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Don't know, a lot of viewers learning about what Frankie
Peppers is for the first time. You guys, you guys
get the gist here, gentlemen.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
This is Frankie Peppers. It's been a wild voice. I
hope that the wind has been treating you well. And
I know we've just been through a pretty rough week
and a half two weeks or so, and it does
seem like your boys are getting a little better. It
seems like we're all thinking a little more rationally as
time goes on and his more things happen. So I'm

(48:32):
interested in seeing where this team goes. I I made
some mid tonight. I believe that we learned that been
Alonzo was singing with the Orioles, and the Mets haven't
lost any other star players and have only signed good people,
so I assume that that the luck is still there

(48:53):
in some capacity. Will have to see about that. I
hope you boys have a lovely like a Christmas quands
if you celebrate that, I have a feeling it don't
bestil In case you do. Happy Quans boys, and the
happy New Year, and I'm looking forward to the beautiful year.
The Mets up show you and your YouTube channel, The

(49:16):
Wind up Show is also doing really well, and I'm
really happy to see that. And I'm just very proud
of you boys and very thankful for the company and
the and all the good times you've given me. Gentlemen,
It's been a pleasure. I will continue to be a pleasure.
I'll talk to you soon.

Speaker 1 (49:32):
Musco, Mets, Frankie Peppers. I don't know how badly I
needed that. I needed that.

Speaker 2 (49:36):
It made me feel real good and an organic wind
up wind up plug from Frankie Peppers. If you guys
didn't know Frankie Peppers, you always just got to make
sure you know you trust the sauce.

Speaker 1 (49:44):
It's it's the end of the episodes. That's where it
will get Frankie. That's when he shot. That's where his
star shines brightest. And now it's a public bowlan yet,
so maybe things will turn around for the Mets. Maybe
tomorrow when you guys are hearing this. The Mets have
made a big move. Who knows, well, listen, we'll find
out if they did. We're also gonna be uploading on
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You can follow James on social media at James Ciano.
I'm Draftneckmark. Thank you guys for watching. We'll catch you
on the next one. Peace Out, peace Out, guys, let's
go Mets.