Mets New Offseason Plan Could Save 2026 Season | 514

We discuss what we think the Mets 2026 offseason plan could be and why remaining patient could be the best route for the Mets

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
New rumors in the Mets world. We got new information.
We got We're trying to figure out the Mets offseason
plan just like you guys. We don't really have a clue,
but we're gonna try our best to parse all the
information we see all around the Internet and figure out
what the Mets could possibly do to save what's been
a nightmare of an offseason. Let's just put it. Put
it simply, it's been absolutely terrible. So before we do,
make sure you guys are subscribed. Not happy Christmas, that's

(00:23):
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download and subscribe. James got a lot going on this
Mets world, not a lot of great, but maybe there
could be some good coming. Help me out, tell the
people what we could be excited about. Possibly, hopefully this

(00:43):
is the last departure. It feels like that maybe.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Besides, like before some of the young pictures started to
get moved, you just sent you're saying. It just feels
like when the other guys went and we talked about
with you guys, the jeffmcneil trade reaction. It just felt
like when these started to go, he was the last
to go. We'll kind of expected it and happened. And
now there's just space on this roster. There's lots and
lots of space, lots of players that are necessary to
be added, and I don't know which way they're going

(01:07):
to turn. And we got a pretty explosive section of
a Will Sam and Ken Rosenthal article right after the
Jeff McNeil trade us the same picture of Jeff that
we used on the audio thumbnaw, which I they really need.
But yeah, so it was just about kind of trying
those guys. And again, Will's had a banner offseason. He's
one of the fastest rises right now in the baseball
journalist community. But some crazy quotes in here. Just read

(01:30):
a couple for you guys. This one from a rival
executive who was granted ananimity for his candor what they've
done tells you how big of a shit show their
clubhouse was. The guessing is over. It was a disaster.

Speaker 1 (01:44):
So first of all, I can't believe Alexan Thopolus would
say this. Yeah, also I couldn't care less about what
a rival executive thinks could have possibly happened in the
clubhouse because the Mets trade a bunch of guys that
were in this team.

Speaker 2 (01:58):
What can I one up you on something from inside
the Mets building. Yeah, hit me, Will said. This is
how the quotes let into As one Mets person put it,
we definitely tithing tidy things up in our house. Now
it's time to do more rebuilding.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
Okay. I think that's fair. Lit'll clean up, and I
think we knew that was also partially the case too. Again,
I don't believe that there was a problem still inside
this Mets clubhouse. I think it would have been very
much more obvious, and you would have known in season
way more than we knew that there was an actual problem.
I don't think the guys necessarily were tight. I think
Francisco and door Jeff McNeal definitely didn't like each other.

(02:34):
I think that one's well known. But I do think
at times the clubhouse atmosphere gets overblown by the reporters,
especially right now, because it's an easy pylon.

Speaker 2 (02:43):
I also think there's a big difference between a clubhouse
being a shit show in a clubhouse just not being
good and then the clubhouse being average. In the clubhouse
being good, I think the clubhouse was just regular bad, like,
which is fine.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I think people win World Series a bad clubhouse. It's
also it's hard to have a good clubhouse when your
team is suck, consistently underperforming, having a major, major, complete
lapse of good play in the second half of the season.
It's hard to hard to be like, you know what,
guys love being here every day. Also, how many big
losing streaks did the Mets have?

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Like it's also the fun that's kind of a chicken
or the egg thing, Like do you keep having these
big losing streaks because of how bad this clubhouse is?

Speaker 1 (03:17):
Or is how bad this clubhouses make you happy? I mean, like,
but yeah, that's bad. I think losing makes the clubhouse bad.
I think it puts a lot of everybody. Yeah, that's
why I'm like, oh cool, Like, go ask about how
was the Tiger's clubhouse down the stretch? They collapsed too? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:31):
The other big points, uh big at least big points
from the SAMIN article with Ken Rosenthal was the Mets
hold interest in adding a right handed batter to balance
out their lineup. People familiar with their conversation said that
could end up being someone who can also play first base.
The club needs to make a decision on whether such
a player is better than Mark Fiento's more likely they

(03:52):
would find that player in a trade than free agency.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
I just don't know who that trade, who that player
is on trades, I'm gonna I'm gonna quickly look through
some names of guys who could be a first baseman,
right handed bat. It's like, if you didn't say the
trade thing, this would be au Haaneo Suarez. It feels like,
and it feels like it probably still could be, and
he would make a ton of sense, Like in a
world where you're trying to patchwork together getting like Pete

(04:15):
Alonzo back on this team, right, it seems like Hori
Polanco and au Haaneo Suarez if they were to kind
of be that mix, you're getting like forty home runs
from those two.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, And I think that my mind went to Aano
Suaz immediately with that.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
I also think that.

Speaker 2 (04:31):
The the Mets Paul Golshman thing, that's that's that's a
much better chance that we want to admit.

Speaker 1 (04:37):
That he would rather have Mark Fientos.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, I think that's exactly what the second part of
that quote means, like are let's decide if he's better,
So I think can we trade Mark Fiando's and actually
open up another roster spot to do that. I also
think if there was a trade option, it probably is
Andy Diaz, but he's also not He hasn't really been
trusted defensively.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
In a very long time. He's more of a d's
he's a DS.

Speaker 2 (04:57):
And then like Ryan Mountcastle, like go like, if you
use the guy, that's it.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
That's probably it.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
If you wind up with Ryan Mountcastle and they wind
up with pe Alonzo, that definitely won't feel good in
your chest. But that's someone who would probably just a
cheap get as a right handed first basement. Right handed
first basement are usually rare because most are lefties, because
it's advantageous defensively to be a lefty, and also right
handed first basement can be rare because first basement is
a position that sometimes can be platoons, but I think
it is probably in the lesser platoon positions, so not

(05:25):
being as much for a platoon position if you just
more likely have the left handed hitters day they have
platwo advantages. It's a it's a strange fit trying to
find the right handed first basement when theoretically you you
might have one on your roster already.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yeah, Like I don't I don't want to hear anybody
thrown out like Spencer Torkelsen or mcav or any of
those guys like there, we're not gonna be going after them.
They're not available. It is gonna be, unfortunately, more of
the bargain bin guys. But Ah Suarez feels like the
best of all those options to me.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I wonder if there's a world where you do a
swap with the Astros and wind up with Christian Walker.
Maybe maybe like what would be the swap there, Like,
I mean, you're taking money off there, like nothing that
probably not much if you can get something else with him,
Like I feel like the code I saying, like Viantos
would be too much for him. I think Fianzo wis

(06:12):
definitely be too much. And he's a negative value contract.
He's making twenty mil to be like a you hope
to be a two win player, like if he if
Christian Walker just had that last season, he's a free
agent right now, He's not matching the two for four
that he's owed at the moment, or maybe maybe he
about gets that, like maybe he's not viewed that differently
than au Henriosjuarez on the market.

Speaker 1 (06:31):
Honestly, can I tickle your your fancy with Ryan Mountcastle
for one second? Just be be a sick oh, because
I think there's a really good chance he is in
New York Met in twenty twenty six saying that out loud,
hearing the trade right handed back completely forgetting that the
Earls have our first baseman. Where the hell is Ryan
Mountcastle gonna play? Well, I saw I let that in. Yeah,
he'd be sick and discussing do they have Pilanzo opening
day and we have Ryan Moucastle. Yeah, that would be

(06:53):
oh god, oh, people are hating our guts right now.
All right.

Speaker 2 (06:56):
They also have to deal with Kobe Meyo too, like
they had they signed Pelanza with having other options there.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
It's just they wanted the bat and a ball one
hundred and seventeen last year, one sixteen point seven. It's hard.
It is disgusting that they hear this line and be
like the Mets hold interest in adding a right handed
batter to balance their lineup that could also play first base.
I have a really good idea who that could be.
There was someone that did that, but hear me out, Peterzo.
They can't rehash that there.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And I do think that the one big rumor that
continues to circulate that I think we did want to
focus on big part of this video one is the
katel Marte murmurs.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
I really, in my gut, in my heart, don't think so.
But there's just a report from Ken Rosenthal on foul
Territory on Tuesday that said the Diamondbacks likely won't trade
katel Marte unless they receive young pitching in return. With
that said, they seem motivated to move him because of
his looming ten five rights and ten five rights, guys,
is when a player spends ten years in the league

(07:51):
and then five five of those ten years with one team,
you get a no trade clause, which is kind of crazy.
It's great for the players, Yeah, great for the players.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
So Ken, I don't open data, ye can tell Marte
gets those ten five rights, and there's so much buzz
about him being traded this offseason.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
It feels like it's going to happen. Those ten and
five rights things are interesting. I never even considered that
once when talking about Cantel Marte is being a trade
candidate this offseason. I never think about ten and five
rights ever. Oh, I for sure mention that on the
wind up, no doubt about it. I just I completely
blacked it out that I didn't hear it for a
second when in one year out the other, I would
of course still love Kateel Marte on this team. The

(08:26):
problem is, and something that me and you talked about
in text and DMS was when that clip of Ken
Rosendaal and foul territory came out. If like, the Mets
clearly have some of the young pitching that would be available,
and this deal would be done already if you could
have given up Sprote or Will Watson or Santucci or Wenninger,
it seems like this has to be Jonahtan And then
there's the conversation of do you want to trade Jonahtanng

(08:48):
for Kateel Marte. No. I think that even opens up
a bigger discussion about and I think there's something Guy's
been very different opinions than every side of baseball. How
valuable is that could tell Marte on this contract? So
I could hear an argument that could tell mart that
this contract could tell Marte is on is one of
the most favorable in the league. Like Untel, Marte is
account less than twenty million dollars against your luxury tax

(09:12):
threshold every single year. He's only making a maximum.

Speaker 2 (09:14):
He's doing sixteen million in your payroll this year, twelve
million next year, and then twenty million dollars for three years,
jumps up to twenty two, and then he's a player
option for eleven million when he's thirty seven years old.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
But then that's the other side of.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
This, because you'd be buying years thirty two through thirty seven.
Four kud tell Marte who's had heaps and heaps of
muscle strains and weird injuries and weird reports about his
commitment that I don't believe, but they still made it
out there, and then you're still getting a guy that
probably isn't It just doesn't matter for the mess I'm
just talking about, like the contract discussion in general, Like

(09:46):
he's not he's not good. He's not a great defensive
second basement anymore. You could probably play him there, but
you also might convince yourself as a team that you're
mostly buying the bat because for the last two years
he's been literally I'm not even exaggerally like a top
six hitter in baseball.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
He's he's a top ten player in baseball. It's it's
the injury thing that's that's quite literally the only thing
that worries me ever about Kutel Marte is that, like
you mentioned, and we've done on the podcast before, going
through all the injuries that he's accumulated over like the
last three years, and they're doing it. I mean, you
could if you'd like, if you want to pull that
up and just let the people know. But it's like
always muscle soft tissue like stuff where it's like maybe

(10:22):
stretch a little bit, maybe drink a little water. Feels
like the conversations we had about Jeff McNeil. But can
tell Martes is a much better player.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Yeah, So here's every single reason could tell Martes missed
the game lately, foot foot growing, hamstring, ankle, lower body, hands, back, back, illness, knee, quad, back,
undisclosed hamstring, hamstring, hand, hip, hamstring, hamstring, wrist.

Speaker 1 (10:43):
That was since the twenty twenty season. And if you
break down, like let's just say, you don't take the
team option right when he's thirty seven years old. Let's
just take it as player options not on you isn't
a player option? Yep? Oh okay, then Baseball Reference has
oh player option. Nice. Okay. Well, let's say so I'll
have the eleven million to two. It's actually gonna take
the money down a little bit, but from ninety one

(11:03):
plus eleven is gonna put us at one O two.
So one O two over six years, right, yep. That
comes out to about seventeen million dollars average over over
the time of that contract when you do compare zero
point four against the luxury attax, which is the real,
the real. Sure, okay, So you compare that to like
the guys getting paid around nineteen million dollars a year
right now, it's like almost impossible to find good players

(11:25):
at that price point over a long term contract. Like
the guys were getting paid similar ish money. Jung lu
Li to tell Martees there, Jose Airmers is the unicorn
where you're like, what the fuck, Like that's one of
the best contracts ever. Brandon Nimo would be making more
money over that time. Josh Naylor just got eighteen and
a half million dollars over the next five years in
terms of other hitters like Massa, Takayo, Sheeta got similar

(11:47):
value over the next five years and not that dissimilar
of an age. No, so it's like early thirties. While
there there is some risk again with the age, and
I'm sure he's not particularly gonna age well just because
of the body being bad at thirty I can't imagine
it's gonna get better at thirty six or at thirty
two already. Yeah, So it's like that's where the concern is.
But man, having him on this roster instantly makes them

(12:11):
way better, so much better. He's so good.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Well, this is the part of it, Like the alleviated
concern could come from the fact that he will not
be playing second base for the Mets. Can tell Marte
if he were to come to the Mets in our
fantasy world that we're living in at this exact moment,
seems like he would be splitting time between first base,
left field and DH. Yeah, and can tell Marte was
playing like not a good center field, but he was
playing center field standing there with his two feet as

(12:33):
recently as three I think three or four years ago. Now,
he could probably fake it over there for a little bit.
It's not the best arm in the world, but he
still is a good athlete. But as a first base
DH and for the right handed hither thing, he has
so much more bat speed. He's so much palazy from
the right side compared to the left side. Seems like
he just hits from the left side because he kind
of can, and he goes to the right side to
really do his hitting. So he can be someone that

(12:56):
can fill this void, can be a big stopper in
this met's lineup gainst left handed pitching.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Like there's as a fit.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
And also then let's we even just talk about the
fact that's probably just us first, the Red Sox versus
Mariners to get him.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Feels like it like that of all the teams that, like,
is there another team that we're missing because they're not
gonna train him to the Dodgers, that would be insane, right.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I guess, I guess the Dodgers are in play and
the Blue Jays are technically in play.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Blue Jays are definitely in play.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
Yeah, yeah, but it seems like they're probably more focused
on the free agent market, and I mean.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
They don't I don't think they have like a in
a bidding war scenario. The Blue Jays are never gonna
have the best young pitcher because they're not trading trey
Y Savage. No, they're definitely not. And then their next
year of pitchers, it's that was the guy. Keep for it.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
I always forget their next young tier of pitchers' names, but.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
They're far away.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
They have a couple of guys that are like Hi
a double A who were like looking decent by the
end of last year. What's the guy's name, I can't
remember right now, but they've Johnny King from last year,
the draft standard Ford, that's the one who got to
double A, who looks pretty nice.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
But this is still not our.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Mid tier even without Joan and Tongue beats them, I think, basimply,
I think the two teams that are the ones that
can't come over the top on us, but again be
the Red Sox and the Mariners. But the Red Sox
just kind of really flushed out the middle tier of
their pitching farm system, and I don't think that they
would ever consider trading a Payton totally, a Kaiser, Witherspoon
or kindly Early.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
Truthfully, it feels risky. I mean, for the same reasons
that the Mets are not considering possibly trading Jonah Tong.
I think both these teams are trying to find any
possible way to not trade their premium, premium pitching prospect.
And I know some of you at home are probably
screaming at us, going I trade Jonah Tong for katl Marte.
What do we think of? What are we talking about?

(14:30):
Prospects or suspects whatever the you know, people like to
say Buck Show Walter, no such thing as prospects. But
Jonah Tong, if he didn't come up last year, if
you didn't see him pitch a single inning, he would
be one of the most untouchable prospects right now in
all of baseball. So I don't is from the Mets perspective.
I think I think people around baseball there's a reason
people want Jonah Tong. Like people were like, oh, you

(14:50):
want one of the best players baseball, well you have
to give us Jonah town prospects. I think both of
these teams are trying to find a way to get
katl Marte without having to give up the Crown Jewels.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
And that's why again I wanted to start that with
that contract discussion, because it is. It's a very difficult
contract I think to track because of how strange his
archetype is. Like he's peaking at thirty one, thirty two
years old as a hitter, yeah, while he's been off
injured his entire career, while he's losing all of his
defensive values. So I could definitely see a team where
it's like, I don't know, like, like, what do you
think of tell Marte is worth for the next five years?

Speaker 1 (15:23):
Twenty war probably, I think that's pretty conservative. That's like
four year, Yeah, but if he's not playing second base
defense anymore, I think four year would be a lot
for first base DH. Yeah, I don't know. His WRC
plus was still like, like you said, like one of
the five six best on the planet. It's one fifty
over two years. It's just we just saw Wan Soto
put up like eight WRC plus and like, be awful, awful,

(15:46):
I right, feel terrible.

Speaker 2 (15:48):
I'm assuming he's missing a half year for injury somewhere
in there. I'm baking. I'm making that into my model,
my mental projection right now.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
I mean, like, and then just Peyton Robinson cano twenty
five million dollars a year to be forty those idiots
kind of this guy's so good, Who's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (16:03):
But that's why there seems to be a disconnect between
these top teams trading their top pitching prospects. And that's
with Joanahtong, it's the Red Sox either earlier totally, and
it'd probably be the Mariners with Kate Anderson.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, I don't think they're gonna move Kated Anderson for him.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
So I think now once that entire tier clears, I
think all three of those teams like, we're not doing that.
Then you move on to the next year. And then
with the Red Sox again, I think that tier starts
with Kyson Witherspoon, who was there first round draft pick
last year.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Just an absolute specimen. He's gonna throw his gas gas
he's freak, freaking nature. But then it was the last year,
the first pick a couple years ago, it was last year.
It was last year.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
And then then you go to the Mets and it
becomes this grouping of sprote Wenninger, Watson, Christian Scott even
throw him in there.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I think Christian Scott was that crazy.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
To say, not at all, I think, So, I mean
I think I got I guess I hate online for
my Mike Wilson Contrera's trade comp. Like got a lot
of other people being like that was a good trade comp.
Who what I believe? More so, I was like, okay,
like that trade comp. And I think think that Christian's
God is a great piece for both the Mets and
a team right now because you still have legitimate upside
yes on him. While getting you'd be buying into risk.

(17:08):
But it's like it's like it's a floor of our
ceiling debate there, which is fun. We're sprote is much
more of a tighter, you know, range of outcomes.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Not the same ish, but it's kind of similar issue
when like the Mets trade for Zaquiler, who he knew
was like had some injury issues when he was with
the Giants. That was the reason why they moved off
of him for Carlos Peltron. They were like, we can
we can take that risk of him being a healthy
guy ended up becoming healthy is one of the best
pitchers in baseball now, but even still it took for
him then still going to the Phillies to even get
to that next level. Like sometimes these guys while we

(17:37):
know there could be that high ceiling, it might take
a while and the Mets might not really be worried
about that. It was the same thing last year with
the Garret Crochet Red Sox trade. Like in retrospect right now,
again every team is like every fan base like every
single team should have done that trade. But at the
time Garic Crochet had under two hundred major league innings
and I think what was it, like ninety of them
were as a starter. The rest of them were like

(17:59):
as lever.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
He had just spent three months going in like to
the four inning increments, like it was a very like
And the Red Sox traded two Bona Fie top hundred
prospects to get and the major league ready middle infielder
and another like kind of far away pitching speck like
it was a monster package.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Forman, Yeah, I think he's gonna be at the major
league level this year now, Like even then, that's it's huge.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
Mydrawth in Braydon Montgomery looks like a dude who's gonna
be an outfield There's gonna be like probably twenty percent
better in the league. Gaverage Heather with Twitch and Kyle
Teal likes he's like he looks a player.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Yeah, that's the ballplayer right there. The Red Sox like
him so much, they're trying They're interested in bringing them back.
They're like, how can we get Kyle Teal back? Yeah,
that was the report. It was.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
It was just over two hundred major league inings for
Gary Crochet at the time of the trade. But still
the point stands, like, sometimes there's some risket for the biscuit.
I think the Mets in that middle tier of pitching
because the Mariners, well there is a lot of pitching,
they don't really have the middle tier of pitching prospects.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
I think a team like the Diambacks would love like
I have dude, like they have got I don't like
like Bryce Miller. It's like Ryan Sloan, Logan Evans. Those
guys are like floating around the top one hundreds. But
I don't see the hype with them. I'm sure that.

Speaker 2 (19:02):
The people running teams like see those guys stuffs and
they're like, all right, these aren't, like, you know, freaks.
I think Ryan Sloan has a little bit more stuff,
But the rest of that crew, like Gerangelos, how you say,
like that's that's just a weird though.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
That's just so confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
I don't even know if I want to get into that,
but it's like like they the managers have really interesting
low like miners hitters. Yes, if the Dinamacks want controllable
pitching again, I keep coming back to the Mets and
the Reds and the Red Sox, like those are the
teams that have it, and the Red Sox just dumped
a lot of there, so can the Mets just can
you just wait this out and do a Scott A
Scott and Sweninger. Well, this is gonna be I think
Nowton Watson like the kind of bigger overall theme that

(19:40):
we're gonna have for this this episode is that it
feels like for the Mets to have the best offseason
and this is gonna be.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
This is gonna be disgusting. Get ready to throw up
and crash your car into a tree on the side
of the road. Is waiting, it's just wait, wait, wait,
Like we even got like a little rumor today about
Austin Hayes. Wait wait, no one is no one is
rushing to sign aust Hayes. If we signed Austin Hayes
before February, before your birthday, James before Valentine's Day? Why

(20:07):
no one's rushing to sign him. I'm sure he can
be an okay player. I know, I said, gonna be
violently depressed if they do sign him. If they signed him,
he can throw in the self harmed I did. I did,
if you if we if they sign him before Valentine's Day,
I might have lost all faith. David Stearns, I might
have to say that.

Speaker 2 (20:24):
I mean, we also know that signing a guy like
Austin Hayes is just so Carson Bench could get eased in.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know what I mean? No, I know, but the
reason for that. The Austin Hayes Hayes archetype. It exists
the day on opening day, you could find ten of them.
That's ten of them, maybe three of them, but yeah,
that's more than zero. I just I just put a video.

Speaker 2 (20:43):
On my personal channel about how the Met's best thing
they can do is officine again is continue to wait.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Like you could get patients. You can get a short
term Holy balancer.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
If you wait through you could probably get short terms
Ranger Suarez and fran Bravaldez's Again, I don't know if
they're gonna pay the qualifying offers for those last two guys.
But if we know the Diamondbacks have a need desire
to get tree Cantel Marte in opening days, their deadline
to do it, and the Red Sox have traded a
bunch of their prospects, and we have the most abundant
thing that they need, which is close to the major league.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Controllable starting pitchers. Wait, just stairb, look them in the eye.
Let me know when. Let's wait, I think not getting
Jonah Tong, let me know when. Like the few times
this Mets organization recently has been very aggressive in signing
guys that seemed like nobody else was going after it
had it worked that well, so I would love I'd
love to just continue to be patient. I don't think
can tell Marte's coming off the board anytime soon. I

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really don't. And as the days the days go on,
it feels like it's more and more in the Mets
favor to just wait on all these guys who want
to get paid money. Mets will give them money, especially
with how slow this offseason has actress to this point
like it's kind of ridiculously before when the offseason started,
Mark Fine sandmb dot Com ranked the top thirty free

(21:54):
agents available. Fourteen of the thirty are still available, including
five of the top seven.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
Yeah, like that's the whole thing is right in front
of us, still ready to go.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
And also I love to see where Bobaschet goes too,
because that's gonna take one more team off. That can
tell Marte your list as well.

Speaker 2 (22:10):
Yeah again, orbit Or also could put one team on
very harshly, possibly like if the Dodgers can still.

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Jump in and kind of ruin all of these trade packages.
Like sadly, I just I can't see the Diamondbacks trading
in division like that a skuy Who's just who's going
to beat your face in for the next six years?
There's no doubt about it. Last time these teams played
in the playoffs, who won Diamondbacks They had to tell
Marte that's true. But so there the Dodger's pitching depth
is more of like it is probably a little bit
still beauty in the eye of the beholder, like you're

(22:36):
not I don't think you're getting Emmachi in. And then
it's like how much do you want River Ryan coming
off injury? I mean, I still love Gavin Stone, but
these are guys.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
But again, like I don't know, I think those guys
are a little bit better than Christian Scott, but I
think there's a similar level of risk and Scott. You
could convince me that Scott has more upside some of
those guys. Just on I was gonna say, fastball shape,
the extension, like all the specs that Chris Scott has
having like a good east west pitch with a with
a fastball, it has like decent vertical move, like that's
there's stuff, there's got. All these Mets pitches are so

(23:08):
close to just click latching it in together. Is it's
gonna be Its gonna be funier to watching these guys.
I think that's part of this too. Yes, I think
the Mets love their farm system.

Speaker 1 (23:16):
I actually do.

Speaker 2 (23:17):
I think the Mets are confident that these they got
some dudes, and I think I think they should if
they want to try.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
We talked about it in the mc neil video right
where it's like we have nine borderline top one hundred
prospects right now. There's like not many farm systems that
can really have that conversation of having almost double digit
guys in the top one hundred. We almost make up
ten percent of the top one hundred and a league
that has thirty teams.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
And again, we're gonna graduate a few of these guys
early in the season. I think we're gonna get more
guys that jump into the back when that's done, Like
guys like Eli Serrano just had a great year in
the minor le league. Again, we've we're flowing it.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
We're going to give you guys our top ten Mets
prospects soon. We're going to do it. Today we were like,
it's just too much offseason to talk about stuff. I
was just gonna say, like listen on the comment section,
like are you guys ready to hear about prospects yet?
Because like last year we could do it because we
signed Juan Soto, like it was like happy happy days.
Right now, it's a little dark and dude, gloomy. I
don't know if you guys want to hear about like
what's gonna happen in three years for some guys.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
How much you guys wanna hear about the Jaywings swing decisions.
But they're they're good, so I kind of want to
talk about them.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
It's just this I don't know, but like the still
the still seems like the avalanche probably a year away, though,
So you want to you want to be able to
float this year? Like we How are we still not
talking about guys that we can get for the rotation?
It's crazy how little we've talked about that. I don't
know how we do it. Besides, like again, all the
ones out there, the only ones that I'm interested in,
you're gonna wait, You're not rushing to give them their

(24:33):
long term contracts. I again, I don't want Nick Martinez.
I don't want Chris Bassett. I don't want those arms.
If we're gonna go out and get somebody, let's go
get somebody that's actually good, that makes his team a
higher ceiling.

Speaker 2 (24:43):
Okay, So then I'm gonna go to that that finds
article right now, get his top ten free agents.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
I want you to tell me who who you want
to get? Okay, who I'd be interested in the Mets having,
Like if they signed him, I'd be like, okay, or
I have a how about this?

Speaker 2 (24:57):
Actually, I'm gonna start reading down this list. You give
me a percentage likelihood you think these guys could be
a met Okay, I'll do that.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
Kyle Tucker twenty five percent, it's fair number. Bragman ten percent, Yeah,
one percent, Bo zero percent. Maybe he can play first base.
I don't think I want him playing first be the
solution zero percent. Shit Bellinger forty percent. Who are the

(25:26):
next one? Here? Oh? Rangers? Suarez twenty five percent? Who
finds in ranked higher than Framberani? Mine? That's that's brain dead. Also,
i'n't heard anything about Ama either, that's what I'm saying,
is the next one?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Or Okamoto or we've heard nothing about Como. There was
a report about who was actually interested in him, and
the Mets. We're not on the list, so interesting. It
might just be something that we're not We don't see it.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
We're not in.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think he's also a left handed bat, so maybe
the Mets don't want that. I think he's alrighty to
talk to m he's a lefty, Yeah, Marcama is lefty,
was alreighty.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Maybe they're just not confident, Okay, I don't know. You
can definitely play first I know I think so, but
he just he seems rock solid. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:06):
I think I also like Ocamalo more than the field
at this point, just from five, A couple of those
better batted balls than we're being reported. But it's just
he's think he's good. So then last one, Framber. U
think Framer is the highest of all these guys.

Speaker 1 (26:19):
That's that's just my gut is every day that goes by,
I think more and more Framer's gonna end up being
a met on that contract that you talk about where
it's a three year opt out after two, give him
like three for one hundred, call it a day. Everybody's happy. Yeah,
mine is mine might sell you Henyo for similar I would,
I would love it. I'd love him on this roster.

(26:39):
Give me forty home runs into this lineup right now.
He's just a way, way, way better version of Mark
Viento's talk about an upgrade. I love I honestly, big brain,
get a swarz. Let Mark Vianto is just hang around
au Haneo. He would love for his career to be
au Haaneo. Suarez is a former shortstop as well. Mark
Viento's people forget that one.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Hen You also seems like kind of fits the bill
of these guys the Mets are trying to brigan again.
We started this whole podcast talking about the the Alexandopolos's
anonymous QUARTERBA show in the CLUBHOUSEWI.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, one of those guys.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
I don't know, but it's just he's just everyone loves
Ayo Henyo spar Is good guy.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
I know people love him.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I remember when we went to a Mets managers game
two years ago and it was like him and Luis
Castille were just yesday or everywhere, these guys were gregarious,
Like everyone's wanted to hang out and chill with these fellas.
Good vibes, good vibes and good at basing, yeah, good
at very good at base lot.

Speaker 1 (27:30):
You know what, He's got a lot of testosterone. It
does the tea guy.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
But there's this there's so staying at roster resource right now,
like where are the baseball players?

Speaker 1 (27:39):
Well, we did it yesterday, right we were like, yeah,
there's what fifteen guys that I feel pretty confident should
be on the major league roster, and then the other
eleven spots. I'm like, I got no idea, what's going on.
I don't know if you're gonna be here or not.
No clues. Just there's just such a big check less
and there's just there's so many trades that Mets have
to make too, just to clean up even the guys
that are currently on the roster at the major league

(27:59):
level that I don't think will be Like I just
I don't see how Luis don Helocun is on this
team next year. I still do just because speeding defense.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Like I think some of this clearing depending on which
you can get in trades for these guys in the offseason.

Speaker 1 (28:11):
It is to give.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
One more good old chance to Mauricio Acunya and Viento's
collectively not saying they're going to have starting spots and
opening Day because I doubt really any of those guys do.
Might be the dhan Oping day. I wouldn't be surprised
at that if Planco's just playing first. If we don't
get you Henyo, maybe that's just all Gulshman tune. It's
just him and Ronnie. Let Ronnie swing lefty and Viant

(28:32):
to hit lefties.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
I'm saying, like Ronnie can play defense, he just can't
how should I phrase this, can't hit righty. Sometimes the
game just leaves him while it's going on. Like Io,
I found a highlight from twenty twenty three I forgot
the other day when I was doing that video on
my channel about remember it was a bunch from Xavier Edwards, Yes,
and Ronnie charged it with Lukezi, and Lukezi threw the
third base because Ronnie Charge wasn't bearing the ball into
the like it's just like, I don't know, and then

(28:54):
like some of those mental mistakes he made down the
stretch where it's like, I know, physically you can handle
this game well and you could play pus defense two
positions and you have disgusting power from the left side
of the plate like that alone should get to a
roster spot. It's just just yeah, you're so close, Like,
just click it in. I'm interested to see what's gonna
go on again. I think patience is the name of
the game, which is so fun as a fan. Nothing

(29:14):
like sitting around waiting seeing other teams doing things fun
for us, fun for us because we get to just
talk about everything going on, and especially now that we're
just pumping out content on Mets up the wind up
my channel, your channel. There's a lot of baseball talk
going around and Mets are at the forefront of a
good chunk of it, so much of it.

Speaker 2 (29:30):
It's just I think it's the most fun thing to
talk about with the Mets, with any baseball team this
time of year, is options. What Yes, those people can
do the Mets can do.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
Anything, can can Can you find me an option that's
not Austin Hayes? Just make me feel better to end
this anything and option that's not Austin Hayes. Yeah, that's
not Austin Haes. Rob rev Snyder just got signed. I
would have loved Rob Refsnyder over Austin Hayes.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
You want a right handed hitting guy that could play
the affield, that's not Austin Hayes.

Speaker 1 (29:54):
That's not Austin Hayes. Yes, I mean, I mean there's
two right handed hitters I'm sure that Mets will wind
up speaking to at some point, and he's Hoskins and
Paul Goldschmidt. I can't play the outfield though, I can't
play the outfield, but those would be fun. So that'd
be that would be like what a Dylan arc Dylan Moore?
No no, no, no, no no, I can't beat him.
Would you ask for? Right? Is the right handed to
think guy that could play the outfield? All right, I'm

(30:14):
gonna look at this list. Now, there's gotta be someone
that you're missing on purpose, Hernandez, I'm just doing a scroll.
He's I think Miguel on Duhar. I hate it, but
I do like it more than Austin Hayes. Bring back Up,
Bring back Tommy fam.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
This is just for Shannon the Marcanda reunion. It's not
gonna happen there. He's gonna say it out loud.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
What about it? Is there any world Harrison Bader comes back? Yeah? Probably?
Why not? Would you take grand Lecritchick or Austin Hayes.
That's like, that's that talk about how many people just
turned off the side. So it's like I can't even
say what the cop, what the thing is? I'll tek you.
Austin Hayes at least has like a better arm. Austin
Hayes feels like he's more apt of He's like, I

(30:54):
actually right, Grischer has a great arm too.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I think I probably lean Hayes, but I could why
not actually give me Gimrichard Ritchick still has better batspeed?

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Yeah yeah, way better under lying day Okay, Ritchick still
that maybe that's the guy Randall Gritchuck that still makes
me feel depressed. But like again, like we know we
talked about friend. We need a right handed caddy for
Carson Bench we have, Yeah, you need to have that
on this roster. You need someone who can be a
right hander on this team when when we're facing tough lefties,

(31:22):
time for Miguel Miguel Margo. No, that's not his name,
Manuel Margo. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I mean again, I think Baither, I think Ritchuk, I
think I do hard then do Hart proof he could
play the outfield.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
No, he can't play the outfield. He might be a
first base option. He practically probably is the first base
tache option. Heyjsley Glacier's played left field last year, right
Starling Marte. It probably end up being Starling Marte's Starling
Starling Marte. And so though we're at the Jack Paul
Fight starring Marte, is gonna be a New York met
in twenty twenty six, isn't he? He's just gonna come
back and be just He just can't play the outfield.

(31:54):
I think we know how much he can't play the outfield.
He just can't be on this team.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
You think you think that David Sterns would be blood
thirsty to kick get rid of this entire core, and
he would still resign Charlie Marta.

Speaker 1 (32:05):
It's fair, it's a good point. It's really just I
just can't. I just can't see that. I just can't
no way, Oh how this is what a what a
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(32:29):
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Peace out. Hey you guys for a great year. Merry Christmas.
Let's go met see you next time.