December 16, 2025 • 40 mins
Rumors, rumors, rumors. The Mets have been linked with tons of players over the last few days. We break down how much truth there feels like from every rumor starting with Mason Miller and the Padres, to Kyle Tucker, to Luis Robert Jr. (again) and everything else.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode
of the Mets Stuff Podcast. We are covering the rumors
this past weekend. A lot of stuff has come out
from the athletic from Ken Rosenthal, from Will Sam and
Dennis Lynn the Padres Reporter. A lot of rumors out
there in the world, connecting the Mets to pretty much everybody,
it seems like, which is a shocker. The team with
the most money is getting connected to all the major
players and free agents and moves.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll talk about all those in today's episode. Before we do, make.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
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But James talk about these rumors because I think the
people went crazy for the Jorge Polanco reaction, so I
(00:54):
can't wait for what the next move with the Mets
could be for our views.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
He shout out you guys for that one.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I didn't think the whole world would be Zo on
the Mets signing Horry plot con late in a Saturday morning,
but it happened, and again I said it, then say
it now. I think the biggest thing to draw from
this is I don't know what they're doing next.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Like we have reports out there that the Mets are
interested in Mason Miller. We have another report out there
that the Mets are still interested in Lars Neubar m
willbe Network had Sweet. The Mets are shifting their focus
to Luis Robert and Mason Miller were being heavily connected
still to Kyle Tucker, and I really just think like
from the meta too, yeah, and they prevetted too, like,
but what we can glean I think from all of
this is that I think that this is just going
(01:32):
to be an opportunistic Mets offseason. I don't think there's
this a BCD plan, like we kind of hope there is.
But I think we're just gonna siphon off and get
the guys that we think can fill out this roster.
And you know, if Kyle Tucker wants to sign a
five year deal for Crazy AV, I think he'll be
a Met.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, So shout out to wind up where we talk
about like all baseball in general, and we've been going
through some old off seasons giving our opinions on the
contracts of being signed and looking back, a lot of
the best contracts that get signed and up happening towards
the end of the offseason. And even if you look
at the David Searns era and a lot of the
Mets moves that they've made, Frankie Manta signed early turned
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out not to be one of the best deals, Like
a lot of the ones where they've maybe been a
little too aggressive at times turned out being poor. So
maybe this is a good spot for the Mets to
be a little patient, even though it doesn't feel good.
It gives me Adja to be like, I don't know
who's playing what position this year. Mark Viento's is still
on this team. Is he gonna be our first baseman?
Is who's gonna play the outfield? Or we're gonna have
Carson Benz? What's going on with the rotation, what's going
(02:29):
on with the bullpen? Like there are still so many
question marks, And I think that's an extremely uncomfortable feeling
for a team that massively disappointed last year and arguably
is way worse on paper than that team was last season.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But I think, like you said, the Mets aren't gonna
wait and look for their opportunity to strike for the
kind of players and the quality of players that they want.
And I guess Cory Polanco fit that. That's the one
confusing part of this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I guess so.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But also I think there's a difference between patients with
the trademark and the patients with free agency. Like I
do think the Planco market moved quickly, and I think
they just gave him the highest AAV so we wound
up taking it. But I think that and Will Sam
has echoed this point a few times. If you guys
have him keeping up with Will this offseason, his reporting
for the Athletics been impecable to us the newsbreaker on
Twitter now, like he has talked about rising, he's like
(03:14):
a like a Rocketshi.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I have his ass.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But I think that the next big thing I have
to think happens for the Mets seems like a trade
because there's been so much smoke around this Mets Padres connection,
which at the first when I heard it, it didn't
make the most sense to me, honestly, but also still
around the Mets and Cardinals thing, but just the amount
of reporting.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We continue to get out of it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
From Will, from Dennis Lynn, from Ken Rosenthal, it makes
me think that these teams are trying to get something done.
I think the way they line up, oddly enough, is
that the Mets do have the number one thing the
Padres want, which is relatively young but controllable starting pitching.
Ye and like if the Padres can trade one year
of Nick Pavetta for like three or four or five
years of a conglomerate of other guys, or if they
(03:54):
can exchange Mason Miller for what I assume would they.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Ask for Jonah Toong. It's the tongue.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it seems like that's where the most smoke with
this is the Padres, the Mets wanting to consolidate some
talent and the Padres wanting some volume, which which works
for the message because ultimately we know at the end
of the day that the Padres are selling this organization
is in a very weird spot. And for a team
that's like tried to win every single year, which I
applaud them for, it hasn't amounted to anything hasn't amounted
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in a World Series appearance, not really anything to show
for it, and at some point they are probably gonna
go to a more I don't want to say sustainable
like outcome or the way that they run the organization,
but AJ Prowler can't keep trading every single prospect ever
to go get major league players and then not have
anything to show for it. So maybe this is a
step backwards to go forwards for them at some point.
(04:44):
I don't know what a package though, for like a
lot of these guys would look like, because they're all desirable,
they're all on good deals. Like what what do you
actually give up for a Mason Miller? What do you
give up for Nick Paveta? I think that again, I
think the Mason Miller Jonah would be the thing. I
also don't even think i'd want to do that, Like
I think that the Mets.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Have Ooh, I think I would.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
The Mets have so many holes in this team right now.
I really can't give up one of the best assets
we have in this organization to get a closer.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I just can't. What if he then becomes a starter,
then how good the start? Do you really think he is?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like, do you think he probably slid throws ninety seven
and then he's probably pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
He throws a ton of strikes for.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The guy that's never been able to stay healthy now
only was able to do that pitching and relief. Do
you want to take that risk and make him the
star the I think sometimes if you're trying to be great,
you got to make crazy moves.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Oh listen, I understand both sides. I just you see
the quality of player that Mason Miller hasn't just definitely
unbelievably good. He is also in the bullpen, we see
he could just go like two innings at a time
when he gets used. That's an unbelievable weapon right there.
We've always talked about, like the Mets could really use
like a swingman stretch roll. And while this would be
a different way of using it, what if now, like
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for when Mason Miller comes into the game fifty sixty
times a year, might be two winnings at a time.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's possible.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I do think also that there was there was a
line that Will had his piece that the mess were
considering something like that for Brandon's broke this year. If
he didn't get inst the rotation at the ear in
the early part of the season. He also cited the
way that David Serns' Brewers kind of eased in Corman
Burns and Freddy Pralt in rolls like that, Yeah, until
they developed their repertoires and were able to do it.
But there's there's such odd specificities in some of this
(06:20):
reporting that really again makes me think there's a lot
of smoke here. Like Ken Rosenthal specifically named Jonathan Pintaro.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Let me just like to plug Jonathan Patara's name off
of a forty man roster when we signed Pintaara, if
it was like Montana David Stearns found him two years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna find it because when when
he got his call up, I remember we went like
deep dive into Jonathan Pinaro and I'm like he he
played I think like in the Frontier League, which funny enough,
someone we went to high school with, shout out Steve
Barmaki and he like played in the Frontier League or
like wait, this guy was like teammates with him, what
the hell?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And like he's a little bit older.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But Pintaro also definitely has some really cool pitch specs.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Because he's a low slot guy.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He gets up to the Pioneer League, the Glacier Range
Riders in Kallus Bell, Montana.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's nice. Love that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But he when he came up with the Mets last year,
briefly it was kind of a bit of disaster. And
I think some Mets fans are gonna paint him in
that light. But it seemed like he was really trying
to simplify a his repertoire because he only was throwing.
It was only a few winnings, but it was all
fastballs and colors. But he he did have a sweeper
and a change up and a sinker in the minor leagues.
I know the baseball perspectus, guys Jared Siler and Jeffrey
Pastor Nostro were like soft comping him to like what
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Michael King was like before he broke out just from
that low slot with sweep with an upper nineties fastball
even harder than Michael King ever threw. So but again,
this is kind of what the Padres want, you know
what I mean, Like they want a volume shop, Like
if we want Adrian Morejone and we give them David
Peters and Johnath Pintaro, They're like, oh my gosh, sure, yes,
that's saying like for them, they could have just bought
two hundred and sixty innings for like just a high
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levege reliever that maybe we make a star there after that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's just it's a weird mix.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I think that maybe some Mets fans are excited
by this, maybe some Mess fans are terrified by this.
Like I think we're going to get something really creative
that happened soon because we have glutts on this roster,
like we still have some redundancies of Ronnie Resial Louis
and Hella Coooney Mark Fiantos. We have like this just
big mash of four and five and six star there's
that we don't really have still any really ones and
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twos besides Nolan McLain. Like there's there's something here to
go back and forth kind of figuring out what it
is right now.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I still I don't know if the Mets will
move tongue still, I don't think so either. Just like
you mentioned, like again and shout Joe Demtic for dming
me this where he's like, if you didn't pitch those
seventeen innings, he'd be one, He'd be untouchable. You would
be like, there's no world where we're trading Joanah Tong.
So I think we have to keep that in mind
too sometimes, like I think the baseball world I think
still keeps him in very, very high regard as one
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of the top possible arms that could be coming up.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, I think obviously, but we also saw the value
of Mason Miller this past trade that or he went
for Leo Devriis, who's like a top ten prospect in
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He looks like a possible shortstop that can hit the night.
A bad trade for Agian Brewler. It was a thousand
million percent of bad trade. And we said at the
time we did our trade rankings on the lines up.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
When it happened, I.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Was like, it's a bad trad It's even my five
trades because the trade sucks. And I do think that
there was like a loose a little bit of smoke
between the Mets and Mason Miller at the trade deadline too.
And I bet that the ask again was Jonah Than
because Joonan Tong is in that he's in this sweet
spot for a team to want to trade for because
he got his feet wet in the major leagues. You
see the potentially you're already he's like, you could get
him in rotation next year and something can be happening.
(09:20):
Like it's but you just this is the one of
the best pitching prospects in the game. You need a
haul if you give him up.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, Like, it's just it would it would cost a
lot from both sides. And that's what makes it so interesting.
Like you said, it is kind of a perfect fit.
The Padres have a lot of things that would help
this Mets team out right now, and the Mets have
exactly what the Padres would need, which is a lot
of young players that will be free for a while
and will be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The Mets farm.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Systems loaded, even a guy like again I mentioned David
Peterson before. He seems like the exact kind of guy
the Padres want just to be like, give us one
hundred and fifty innings of a four oera. But also,
I'm sure they'd be very interested in guy like code Asanga. Yeah,
I'm sure them buying Loan Sega is kind of exactly
what they're looking for. I don't know exactly if that's
what the Mets want to give. In this article Rosenthal
and Dennis Lynn and uh, well Sam, it was mentioned Paveda, Loriano,
(10:05):
Mason Miller, Adrian Morijo, and Jeremiah s.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Trala. So that's the Mets still want to take a
shot that would be sick.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
We looked at this the other day too. He has like, wow,
four years of control left. Yeah, he could be one
of the fifteen best relievers in baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And this is where it's like, what is the what
is actually the value for these guys, because again, it's
one of these weird trade scenarios where it's it's not
like the patters have no leverage, but they also do
because the players are that good, but we know that they're.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Trying to get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This, this like strikes me as a fantasy baseball type
of trade because these are also two teams who intend
to be competing for the same playoff spots with Yeah,
like in very much in a very serious way. And again,
like I can't get past the fact that Ken Rosevedal
said Pintaro specifically, how's he a name that comes up?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Jacataro through I think he threw how many pitches was
this Basically, there're two innings last year, right, Yeah, he
faced six batters last year at the Major League heard
them two thirds of an inning Like that's that is
an insane name to mention.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But again he's on a with.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
The man roster. He's a little bit older. I think
he can handle a workload and he has very interesting
pitch traits. I think there's another theme of this offseason,
like we're looking for traits out here, like no one
cares about Johnathanpinaro's era and triple A of the major leagues,
Like low slot in ninety seven has has a sweeper
like that's something like it's in this Padres team. I
don't think they're ready to like I don't think I
ain't hear no bell yet. I think for this Padres team,
(11:21):
Frade Apeller trying to compete as long is he still
the GM of that team. The fat Lady hasn't saying yet.
But once he's gone, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
When you know the Padres are selling everybody.
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Speaker 3 (12:31):
But also like if he maybe he doesn't go, maybe
the next owners want him to do this. But if
they're going to sell everybody, they're going to sell everybody,
they wouldn't be looking for these types of players that
they're apparently connected to now, like maybe you still would
go for the guys like Brandon Sprote.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I guess me tongue a very different world, but like that's.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's like they probably do have a lot more value
than I guess the Mets do at this exact moment
for these back end starther types, Like they traded Wan
Solo for a slew of back end starting.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Pitchers, like two of which we were like are never
going to be good. And they also at the trade
deadline they kind of dumped a lot of these guys
who were these guys for them on their team and
Ryan Berger and Stephen col like to go to the
Royals to get ready for me, get ready for me,
and no sense great defensive catcher was like steadied the
game for them and got a big hit for them
the Wildcard series. But it was just still like this
team doesn't have a DH they could use a better
(13:16):
offensive catcher, they have negative bench, they have they have
kind of one starting pitcher unless you count Joe Musgrove
office Tommy John Like it's after Paveda and Musgrove, it's
Randy Vasquez, jpcis Kyle Hart and then like right now
they're projected rotation. Where's Johnny Brido at I think I
don't even know if he's around these days.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I mean he's in triple A. They have Matt Walder
and Jagger Haynes, Jackson Wolf like they're something interesting. We're
gonna give Matt Walter a shot. What I'm saying like
this is they desperately if they want to compete, they desperately.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Need a three, four, five and six star the yeah,
and the.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Mets can't provide that. I just don't know how much
quality you have to give up to get Mason Miller.
And again, to me right now at this juncture, that
doesn't seem like the spot where it's worth the Mets
pushing their chips in.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, I agree, even though I would love them.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I'm not gonna complain, but I feel like the names
that would go into Mason Miller trade similarly, like the
names that went in the Mason Miller trade or the
name that went Mason Miller trade, You're like, that gotta
get you more, even though Mason Miller is a premier
pitcher at his position.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, and it's probably also like a little bit of
a referendum on what the trade deadline is like first
the off season, ye, Like the idea is a deadline,
like we have thirty six minutes to make the trade, Like,
let's we gotta make it right now. If you don't
give me this, we're not making the trade. And A
J Peller's like, I gotta make the trade. We also
got some other funny news that's leaked out that Mark
Fiano's hired Scott Boris to be his agent, which that's
just that's a confusing one.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But holy yeah, good for him.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
The Philly sign out of last Garcia, which I think
takes them a little bit more out of the.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Louis Robert sweepstakes.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Which it seems like the Mets are front and center of.
It seems like they might be the only team involved
in this, and I can't really like this might be
a situation, like we said about Patients, where david Son's
has an offer on the table he's okay with that's
white Sox don't do it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
They're just gonna have Louise Robert this year.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And if they do do it, then we're gonna get
Louise Robert at the price that we want.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah. Viento's ahunya. I think those are the guys that
they've got to be looking to trade. We mentioned in
the Polanco video, but like both of them having no
options and both of them kind of being redundant now
on this team due to Jorge Polanco for different reasons.
I don't know how you really hold these guys and
how they really bring a ton of value to the
Mets roster when you could probably go out and get
someone who could make an actual impact on this Mets roster,
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be an everyday player, definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And we've rehashed Luis Robert I think a few times,
and you guys, you're kind of either in our camp
or you're not in our camp.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I love both sides.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I love seeing how violently angry people get at us
for saying we want Robert, and I also love the
people who are probably drinking the kool aid a little
too much.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, which is again totally fine, But if we said
this in the Polanco video, I just think that we've
got an evaluation on every guy out there right now,
and like you're going to kind of say yes or no,
just depending on if that spot gets to you, which
is how I think we've now come back again on
these Mets.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Kyle Tucker rumors. Yep.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It feels like the Kyle Tucker market is nowhere near
as robust as it seems when the offseason began. At
this point, I think I'd be shocked if he saw
five hundred million dollars. I think some people thought it
could get close to when the offseason began as well.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think there's no shot.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I think there's not a shot in the world he
gets even close to that right now.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
So I think every single day where it goes on,
and that has been a point that the Mets are like,
you know, involved in this bull, some of the yeah bull,
some of the other bigger teams, there's a shot there.
I think that every day that passes where he's not
getting a ten year deal, I think that makes the
Mets closer and closer.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's actually moving their way in there.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It does feel like a game of chicken between the Mets,
the Dodgers, and the Blue Jays, like who's gonna make
that offer where Kyle Tucker's like, ah shit, this is
really the best one I'm gonna get. And I don't
think any of them are budging right now because it
seems like all three of those teams know Kyle Tucker's
really good. Seems like all three of those teams know
he's gonna be an impact back for them, make you
already a much better team than you were. It's just
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can we squeeze him for a little extra juice? And
it feels like all three of them are like, let's
play this game. Who's gonna budge first?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Especially when again, trying to read through the lines of
Will Salmon's articlely put in The Athletic on Monday, New
York is eyeing another bat League said, and this comes
after Hory planco. Of course, it would be surprising if
the Mets didn't supplement their outfield. Such an addition may
or may not come in the form of a star player, though,
despite the desire to be a better defensive team than
last year, the Mets believe they now have enough flexibility
to seek more of a bad first player. People familiar
(17:15):
with their conversation said, so the audition could be somewhere
for the outfield or someone who occupies more time but
designated hither just seems like this door is being very
purposely left open for this one crazy thing to happen.
I know that we've got a little addicted to the
splash as Mets fans over the last few years, and
now we're getting reverse splashes like law last week. We're
still a week removed from all Overheart's being collectively ripped out.
But I think that I think there is a lot
(17:35):
of value in trying to be opportunistic, and the market,
the part of the market that moved quickly, seems like
already moved quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And now you wait, I.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think the next like big dominoes are going to fall,
gonna be the the Japanese players with because they have to,
because they have to, they physically have to, Like Murakami
has to be signed in a week, I believe at
the time of recording, which is insane. And you've heard
again nothing, not a word about anybody interested in Murakami.
I'm like, I can't get a read on what the
Mets are doing this offseason. I can't get a read
on what Major League Baseball's doing this offseason. The Twins,
(18:06):
you just signed Josh Bell, Like I'm I'm the Philly
signed at Dollars Garcia. I'm so confused because like you
could close your eyes and be like Nick cast dollis
and dollars Garcia are gonna be the exact same player
next year, and you're gonna end up having Defensively, dol
Garcia was horrible. Defensively horrible.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He had the knee thing two years ago. He still
has a canyon. I think he's still he was so bad.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
He was one of the worst outfielders defensively in baseball.
I think I think he might be cooked out there defensively.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think you still get a good year of out
of these Garcia defensively, I do, but like also like
one year ten million, like some people like the Mets
miss this one.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I really wanted to.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh he was he was about average OAA. This year
was one of the best times in the league. Yeah, No,
he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Do I like only think of twenty twenty four numbers.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, I think sometimes if you do that all right,
another hand up. He went twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
He was horrendous, Holy crash twos go.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He had that balky knee for like the whole year,
and they just ran him out there every single day,
and that was a mistake. It is kind of amazing
that a Lease Garcia has taken almost eleven hundred at
at bats in the last two.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Years and it has like a six fifty ops.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, and again like they kind of just were like,
let's get Cuban Costianos.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Were they playing him in center at one point too?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That was that in twenty twenty four they were still
playing him in center a decent bit.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
But even then, it's probably like similar ish value in
Cassianos next year, I.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Have something that had degree now only he only played
right in twenty twenty four too. He hasn't played center
since twenty twenty but he's like, I don't know like that.
That to me is also a big indication the Phillies
are not going to be in on the big money
stuff this offseason too, Like I.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Doesn't seem like it seems like they got schwarburn. They're like, Okay,
how do we get better around the edge? Which probably
also isn't the worst decision for them either. It's not
like the Phillies sneak No.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Definitely, Phillies are a good team.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like it's also a kind of a funny thing to
compare the Mets in the Phillies where it's like, in
the Phillies perspective, I'd be very happy to run back
that core, like you still feel like that core has
a lot left to do with this Mets corps that
were clearly not running back at this point in the offseason.
It did feel like every single players but past their peak.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Should we talk about the Wan Soda comments a little bit? Yeah,
we could talk about those two just a Hodgepodge episode. Yeah,
Hodgepodge episode. It's gonna be mostly rumors. But Wan soa.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Talking at the like Dominican Sports Awards or wherever he
was where he went the Dominican Athlete of the Year,
which shout at won Soto second award. Yeah, and they
brought talk brought like Pete Alonzo and everything going on
in Francis School, indor, and he was like, yeah, we
kind of knew Pete wasn't coming back. Like I keep
in contact with the club, I'm talking to everybody. I
know what's going on with this team. It seemed like
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everybody in the Mets world knew that Peter Alonzo wasn't
coming back except Mets fans.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And then I mean also now looking back and you
guys heard us talk to d Sho last Friday, Like
it definitely did feel like that seems like the one
that was the weird surprising one was Edwin Diaz saw
him as to comments. I think that was at the
Poor then we can Winter League Homer and Derby where
talked about how it seems like Lindor was very surprised.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
That Diaz didn't come back.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yes, and there was like a quick there was a
call that was made between them. But then Diaz just
harped over and over and over again that he basically
just wanted to go chase a ring.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And it's it's something we've talked about at nauseo where
it's like for Edwin Diaz, who if he continues on
the path that he's on, has a chance to be
like a Hall of Fame closer and he probably needs
a ring to really push himself.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Over the top. You get some big, big highlight. That
was like late postseasons, so it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Was like a big knock on some some relievers have
taken forever get in the in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But it is funny now, is these these reports and
rumors trickle out like some people in the Mets. I mean,
these aren't people in the Mets world, the just some
of the mutants on Twitter. We're like offended that like Wance,
so the key them with the plants, like why why
they're such disdain for Wance So though I don't know,
they feel like there's a lot of disdain for want
So Tho too right now, like in media, which I
think is really weird, and shout out Master Flip Master
Flip is really good on Twitter. He's a he's Dominican.
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He translates these things very well efficiently. People like bought
him for his translations on that. So it's it's just
it's strange the way these solo comments leak out sometimes
and the way people perceive them just because he's really
good and makes a.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Lot of money. I mean, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
We've been seeing like some short form stuff from Jolly
Alive where like they asked who's a better contract right now,
Soto or vlag Guerrero Junior, like who's gonna age well,
and the reporters are just straight up lying about the
kind of play like Black Junior is awesome, this is
not anything. He's a flat junior, but like, oh it
plays great first base, he's more athletic, and like none
of these things are true, and then they're like, so
he's gonna he's gonna age out of the outfield, is
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gonna be the He's a better athlete right now, plays
a harder position and is a better hitter. Like what,
we just don't like Wan Soto because he's the most paid,
highest paid athlete who doesn't want to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
But also, if you flipped it around to the other side,
if you went if you had this conversation with them
exactly one year ago before Solo signed the deal, but
also after last postseason, everyone said so because of his
heros last pot season. It's flat did this like there's
a lot of you know, recency bias that plays in
the way that we perceive these players, and you don't
right now doing your twelve days of ranking sometimes last
year really holds a lot of value in your head.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Of course me me never biased, never recency, But this
is just.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I don't know, Like I think a lot of people
want to continue to go after and pull this ridiculous
string about the Mets clubhouse. I think it's it's kind
of becoming a tree that we can't really understand why
keeps getting barked up and took.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Him to the Braves on a one year, twenty million
dollar deal. It's a good deal, is it. I take that. Yeah.
I mean they didn't have they didn't have anyone else.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Do you do you know what his defense was last year?
I know the fact it was bad.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I think that them signing him to that is like
we hope the shoulders better.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I guess yeah, again, like they had they were shortstop
less than they need to do something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We're talking about that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
So Nolan McLain also similarly went on pitching in Just
podcast over the weekend and that was sensationally If you
guys want to have like pitching porn, like you should
go listen to everything that Nolan McLain said on that
because it was absolutely like lockown unbelievable, and he just
he talks, so he's like, oh, this clubhouse was great,
such a fun clubhouse. They really like being a part
of it. And again he got there later in the
season and he was like, yeah, this is great. You
know agenda. He's like, yeah, fun clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like listen, I want to get a big head here
for a second.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But I really wish like Baseball World could have seen
our podcast with Disha because she also like a very
prominent reporter, very credible inside the clubhouse, like there's nothing
wrong in there. It's like seems like everybody from the
outside likes to think that there's something wrong, and then
everybody that's inside goes it was fine. They're just not
best friends. That happens, This isn't a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And you're just not winning. Like if you're not winning,
this stuff all looks a lot worse. Like the me's
won two more games last year. I feel like a
lot of these narratives wouldn't have happened. But that's that's
also west where we're at. We deserve it, so it is.
It is an uncomfortable time in the off season for
you guys all, specifically as Mets fans, because you see
a very incomplete team as of December fifteen, sixteenth, when
you're listening to this and you want, after the excitement
of last year and last offseason, you wanted to keep
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momentum going, and we've stopped all momentum flat and we've
lost a lot of your guys' favorite players. Like that
part sucks and I'm still not really over half it,
but like looking around, like I'm I'm definitely more excited
the days go on for like what can happen next.
And also I think that the Hory Polanco move, while
like in a vacuum, it does seem just very regular,
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like you just got a guy that can hit, and
we'll see if he wants up playing first base. But
like that's at least an indication from management that we're
still going to try. Are people think there's gonna be
a rebuilding year, like you can let the young guys
play well, also not rebuilding and competing for wildcard spot
like we were ass last year, Mega ass, super turbo ass,
and like we were still one game from the postseason
with eighty four, with eighty three wins. It's like if
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you just again one here, if you just shoot for
eighty seven eighty eight every year.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
God, but that does seem like what actually is happening
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It seems like they're not ready to go in on
a team that can beat the Dodgers, but it seems
like they're gonna go in on a team that can
get to the dance. Yeah, I uh, which I don't
think that's the best rategy either, but I just I
think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, it's it's it's a scary world.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It's a scary world out there being a Mets fan
right now, I just.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't like it. It's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Like we again, we applaud David Sets for the like
secrecy and the quiet and everything, and it worked in
the past because we got the players we wanted, and
now that we know we got the players that we want,
I'm like, I hate this shit. Please give me any
inkling of it a sense of what's going on, which
is why.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
This is kind of funny that we're like harping on
all these rumors and talking about all these players were
connected with and reporting, but then they just signed Horriy
Planco and there was not one no person, pundit, journalist, analyst,
YouTube channel, anybody out there that ever would have connected
Horriy Planco to the Mets, let alone to be their first.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Blase Harboard Wardy makes content on any single thing that
goes on the Mets world. First Wrriy Polanco mentioned is
basically when they signed it. Like, if Wardy doesn't have it,
it's not out there.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, Like I think the Horry Planka signing is just
objectively good.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's cool. The only tine, the only thing I will
say it is.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Weird, like to want to pay Hori Polanco at age
like thirty three and thirty four twenty million dollars a year,
and you're like, I'm worried about Pete at age thirty
four and thirty five.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
When I think if fory Planco won a five year deal,
I don't think we would signed. No, I know, but
they are different. It's an age, no, I know. I
know if Pete wanted the two years, would have signed
to him too.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want to peep back. I miss him. I can't,
I do, I do miss Pete. I haven't watched the
Orioles press conference. I can't do it. No, I can't.
He does seem really happy. He cutched it.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
He got a wicked bag on that and there you know,
and they're going they're going to love him. But like
I think, there's also very much two sides this coin.
There's a lot of revisionist history when a guy like
that leaves where we do always remember the best of times. Ever,
like if Pete didn't hit the home run against the
Brewers last season, I think a lot of people have
had different perspective even if he came back for this
one year.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, well, we always felt weird because we're like people
hated Pete, like he doesn't clutch, and we're like, I mean,
Pete's really good, guys, like I feel like we're missing
the context and now that he had the good year
after the big moment, completely forgot about how much they
hated him for a season when he couldn't get the
big hit he only hit home runs like hey, rot
up nine.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, and then and then also the flip side of
this is like there's also some revision's history and that
like Pete wasn't as good as a remember, but Pete
was still really good, like a guy Mike phili He
had a great colup of all the Pet's eras he
made last year, and there were some really bad ones
in there. But I'm like, I'm not I don't know,
I'm not ready to be like I hate PNTO because
sign somewhere else. Not, it's just I think the thing
we all have to get on board with and not
maybe not we don't have to get on board with.
But like acknowledges that the met seemingly had no interest
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whatsoever they bring him back. Nope, like there was not
there was not really any way, shape or form that
he was going to fit into whatever, like whatever plan
they have on the contract of mans he got and
what the market was was going to pay him.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It seems like mom Soto knew the entire time.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, that seem like that. Maybe Lindor did too. I
mean Nolan McLain that interview with Pitching Ninja. He was like, people,
such a great guy.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We've been texting we.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Gotta we gotta talk about that article too from Bill
Sherman that Steve Powend needs to sit down indoor.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh, so let's do that. Let's let's do a double
medium over right here. I guess people used in this episode.
So that was the one. Do you have you ever
pulled up you have a headline?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Anything?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I will, I'll get to the DMS right now. But
Joel Sherman wrote an article and listen, like Joseph pros Pro,
I don't necessarily agree with everything that he says, and
I think at times he does kind of venture into
the realm of like what.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But his tweet from December thirteenth shout out Drew and
Christy Steve Cohen should meet with Lindor Slash Soto if
they're good with each other discuss how to avoid repeating
the twenty twenty five disaster. But if the relationship is
a problem, then for the one billion plus all in
on the duo, the Mets owner has a right to say,
let's fix this now. And then it was like a
picture of Steve Cohen, like scolding children at a dinner table.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Which is again unbelievable that that would be the headline,
the picture that's being put out there.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And then the New York Post won up themselves on Monday. Yeah,
got that one.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
This is a headline former Mets manager Mickey Calloway's warning
after star exodus it better work.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, Like, who fucking cares what that asshole has to say?
Why are we even at why are we even asking
for his opinion? That's like breaking news. Baby says it
might be sunny tomorrow. Oh okay, Well you don't know anything.
You're Mickey Cowway's disgraced. He shouldn't be in headlines at all.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Best reply was for Matt Williams, who's a betting analyst
as a Mets fan, he goes was Deshaun Watson unavailable
for comment. Nice I quote with it be like thank
god we had hear Mickey Callaway had to say, and
someone's like, where's our house? Like, I just I can't.
I just can't believe that's the headline the New York
Post ran with. But again, I do think that it is.
It's not Revision's history, because these were good players. But
I do think that all three of those guys and
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edemud dsp lines of brand Nemo I probably already had
their best season, right.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think that's I think that's fair to say. The
thing that sucks about like that automatically like gives like
they've had their best season, like they're cooked almost no where,
Like Pete could still be like one thirty WRC plus
for the next three seasons, but his best was like
one fort definitely.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
And there also there was also a great reporting from
Jared Syler again Baseball Perspectives to a nice article about
what Pete did last year to kind of turn himself
into this better hitter.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Shortened up his swing, got that bat speed.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Up while I did that, but also the contact rate
in the zone fell a lot. We've talked a lot
about that, specifically Brandon Nimo over the last two years.
Like when you start to see that contact right in
the zone go down like that is a clear indication
of aging.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So like I understand if they thought five.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Years was just too big of a risk for someone
who they saw some signs of aging on that, Like, again,
that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's just it.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I still think too at the end of the day,
there is something about and this is not a negative
on those guys at all, like Brandon Nemo Pedalonzo, when
Jeff McNeil inevitably gets traded like that was kind of
like it that that was a little bit like a
weird situation where they'd been there for six years, so
they'd come up with this Mets organization and it kind
of felt like it could have been their team, and
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then all of a sudden it wasn't anymore and it
became a doors team. And then all of a sudden,
Wan Soto comes in and now it's really not their
team as much anymore. I'm sure there is just not
a culture problem. I'm not saying that, but I'm sure
there is just like a weird juxtaposition of like all
of a sudden you look around and the team's not
really what it ever was.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's kind of like how much do you keep one
of running it back with the exact same core and
I don't want to. I don't want to always invoke
with this team. But I think the line's been said
enough about wanting to be the Dodgers of the East
and us feeling like sometimes that's really far away. But
the way that Dodgers team changed a lot between twenty
eighteen and twenty twenty two to allow themselves the space
to again first acquired and extend Mookie Bets and then
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Freddie Freeman, then eventually Otani Cory Walk and he won
the World Series MVP the next year before they'd actually
won a real world series themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Like that is the magic. Pilanzo with World Series MVP
next year, I will be, but you'll be happy for
him depressed.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm sorry they conflate that, because I think Corey secrets
a much much much much much much much much much
much much much better player than Pilanzo. But like it is,
sometimes you do have to make those hard decisions, and
those guys just they play a lot of baseball together. Again,
not that, like you said, the culture was bad or anything,
but you also do want to afford the other players
on your team the chance to grow up a little
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bit and possibly get intose leadership roles. We saw bred
Baidy as like the headline Mets player who was at
the Queen's Baseball Convention over the weekend. Like you see
him with a mike talk about being a Met, talk
about all the growth he's had.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Bait.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
He might have gotten booed at the Queen's Baseball Convention
last year before. Sorry, there's a chance that like would
have booed him when he walked on stage. Not us
always bred baby believers shot Bret Batty. I love him,
but like even Francisco Alvarez like coming in as like
a leader space something that he's been talking.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He's talked about before too.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I think where the Mets are gonna go by the
end of the season, I hope is a lot better
than what it looks like right now. I think every
fan has every right to feel nervous and worried and upset,
but I I am going to blindly trust because also
I haven't I can't do anything, so we can't do it.
All I can do is sit back and hope that
it turns out good because I really have no impact.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
There's also probably just like.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
A little bit of an idea of Again, we mentioned
this to Hori Polanco on Saturday, why don't just change
the cocktail in the clubhouse a little bit? Like, I
don't think it's an accident that when like the first
two big moves of the off season, I guess for
position players was bringing Marcus mi and Horriy Planco guys
who are like Ken definitely good on the field. Marcus
Mian certainly is years behind him, Horriy Plank. We just
hope to kind of maintain here the guys who are
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known around the game as the dudes clubhouse, guys like
go go about their business, do their work, like guys
who can like be real earnest professionals in that clubhouse.
We talked about a lot, and we gave the Mets
credit for this over the last year, but almost the
entire position player group besides Lindor and so Though, were
Mets developed. We talked about the fact that when Pete
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and Nimo and to Lester degree McNeil kind of came
up through this Mets system, you kind of get got
used to losing. When you were in the Mets minor
leagues eight years ago, like those were some of the
worst based on team performance minor league teams every single year.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
The depth of organization was bad.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Which is honestly incredible how well their actual players turned out.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I mean again, metskalthink, Mets rafting has been great for
a very long time now, shout of Timontanus on the
on the Rockies now in the Rockets organization. But you
just need to change things up a little bit, add
some new guys to the mix, like create a different environment.
Not that the one before was bad, but I don't
think it was additive either, based on what's happened in
the last like four years collectively.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think I think it is fair to say let's
try something different. I think it's fair. It sucks as
a fans perspective because we love the guys, but I
can understand it. I don't like it, but I can
understand it, and.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's it's all I can really do.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
So let's let's end the episode with this, James, because
I think that's pretty much all the rumors, right. Yeah.
I feels like, let's take a look right now at
the Mets active roster and let's just name some guys
that we think will not be on this active roster
by opening day, because I think that's what it is
ends because we mentioned the trade markets where we think
the Mets are going to be the most active. So yeah,
code Asanga is he on this team? Yes? Or no?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I think you get one of code Asanga or David Peterson,
but maybe not both.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Was gonna say, yeah, you gotta pick one, you gotta
pick one, all.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Right, I think that Sanga stays, Pewsing gets traded, Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Of the pitching prospects, do you think that one of
Tong's Brot Christian Scott get moved? And which one if
you do.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm starting to think none of those guys get most Okay,
and if there's one that's most likely too, I would say.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Sprote slog of infielders Akunya, Mark Vientos. And I'll even
throw Brett Baty's name in there, just because I think
he would be in the package to get a premier player.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, who do you think is gone from that group
at this point? I'd be shocked if anything won with
Brett Baity.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I do think that it crossed the league right now,
Like Brett Baity is viewed as a guy that's like
a real piece. I'm not telling if he's a cornerstone,
that's telling he's a franchise player. But I think a
lot of baseball teams be better off having Brett Bailey
on them.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's one of the fifteen best third basement in the league.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Probably, yeah, probably just a great spot for him to lift.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like I think that being said, I think that he stays,
but I don't think it's impossibly gets moved. I would
be shocked. And I think that Akunya is almost guaranteed gone.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, I don't think there's really a spot for him
on this team.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Viento's I keep flip flopping on like every day. I
have a different opinion if he's gonna be on this
team next year, right, Like, doesn't it feel like that,
Like even just getting a big headline on Monday that
he's Scott Boys is now his age that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Almost makes me you're gonna trade him more, I guess.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But like I also, I'm starting to get myself back
and on the mark Fiento's redemption tour right now.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I just got It's like kind of the same thing
with Brett bay last year. It's like like I like
buying low, and I think right now is like as
low as you're going to be able to buy.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Mark Fiento's like, I still those for his career.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He has to be better, otherwise it's going it's going
to be a career that doesn't last very long.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, just because as we're bright handed hither with no
defensive ability and no athleticism whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Like he's like, there's still probably.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Twenty five homer batan Mark Vento's, but it just probably
comes with a three ten on base percentage. Yeah, and
like that that for some teams that's untenable. But for
a team like the White Sox, who can give someone
DH reps, for a team like the Cardinals, who can
kind of just let him grow and see what happens
with four years of team controlling, Mark Viento's like, there
probably is.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Some good legitimate value there.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Even a team like the Padres who don't have a
DH right now, he'd be a great DH for them
if you could tell Mark Viento's like, get the frosted
tips back.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And just be our DH.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
We're giving me four and to fifty played appearance of
this year, Like it's gonna be a great time at
least if you can just mash lefties like he'll have
a job forever. Kind Of to a degree, yes, but
I think that going out and signing hore pl goes
it kind of a shot across about that whole group
of position players where it's like we're not we just can't,
we just can't wait on this anymore. Like we want
a veteran who can play positions and we know can
hit how many times did we say last year? Just
any sort of production out of those guys so we
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make the playoffs. It also makes me think back at
like the poor strategy we had going through the offseason
last year. We're pitching where I think that David Stearns
knew that in the future we would get a nice
flow of pitchers that we're gonna come up through and
we're gonna be confident who're going to be very cheap
before the ball under team control and we could trust
as depth. But I think he knew that that was
at least eighteen months, maybe maybe one calendar year away.
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So you had to jump the market reverse the way
I think is going on right now. You had to
get volume because if you if the Mets missed on
the musical chairs of pitchers last year, he would have
just signed wan So though and gone to with a
bad rotation.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Really, it would have been really bad.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
It would have been much It would have been perceived
much worse. It wounded up being horrific anyway. But I
do think that there was at least an effort there
to be like, let's jump the market now because we
don't have we don't have any kind of fallback options.
We wound up exactly having no fallback options, and then
the primary options also sucked that.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I think people felt okay being with the rotation that
the Mets came into the season with. They felt like
it was not good, but it wasn't the worst in
the league. I wind up being one of the worst
in the league. And then the last one I'm gonna
ask you, there's gonna have to be one more outfielder
on this team that's not on the roster right now.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Can't pick someone in the organization who's gonna be oddly
to my favors. As long as newpar and Luis Robert,
I think it winds up being Robert.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, I do.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, there's been so much smoke for so long about this,
it just seems like the match.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I want I want Robert.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I know, I know new Bar is like a good player,
but I just new Bar feels like a high floor guy,
which maybe that's exactly why David Starns would want him,
but yet he feels like a higher floor where I
don't know what new bar ceiling is. Where like Robert again,
if he ever goes back to being like eighty percent
of the player that he was, it's like, holy shit.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Hey, just like three weeks last year before he got injured.
It's just I'm not I'm not gonna pretend you're gonna
make consistency there, but like, maybe just give it a shot.
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Speaker 2 (39:21):
It's called Metes four. Then
What is up, Mets fans, Welcome back to another episode
of the Mets Stuff Podcast. We are covering the rumors
this past weekend. A lot of stuff has come out
from the athletic from Ken Rosenthal, from Will Sam and
Dennis Lynn the Padres Reporter. A lot of rumors out
there in the world, connecting the Mets to pretty much everybody,
it seems like, which is a shocker. The team with
the most money is getting connected to all the major
players and free agents and moves.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
We'll talk about all those in today's episode. Before we do, make.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
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But James talk about these rumors because I think the
people went crazy for the Jorge Polanco reaction, so I
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can't wait for what the next move with the Mets
could be for our views.
Speaker 2 (00:57):
He shout out you guys for that one.
Speaker 3 (00:58):
I didn't think the whole world would be Zo on
the Mets signing Horry plot con late in a Saturday morning,
but it happened, and again I said it, then say
it now. I think the biggest thing to draw from
this is I don't know what they're doing next.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Nope.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Like we have reports out there that the Mets are
interested in Mason Miller. We have another report out there
that the Mets are still interested in Lars Neubar m
willbe Network had Sweet. The Mets are shifting their focus
to Luis Robert and Mason Miller were being heavily connected
still to Kyle Tucker, and I really just think like
from the meta too, yeah, and they prevetted too, like,
but what we can glean I think from all of
this is that I think that this is just going
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to be an opportunistic Mets offseason. I don't think there's
this a BCD plan, like we kind of hope there is.
But I think we're just gonna siphon off and get
the guys that we think can fill out this roster.
And you know, if Kyle Tucker wants to sign a
five year deal for Crazy AV, I think he'll be
a Met.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Yeah, So shout out to wind up where we talk
about like all baseball in general, and we've been going
through some old off seasons giving our opinions on the
contracts of being signed and looking back, a lot of
the best contracts that get signed and up happening towards
the end of the offseason. And even if you look
at the David Searns era and a lot of the
Mets moves that they've made, Frankie Manta signed early turned
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out not to be one of the best deals, Like
a lot of the ones where they've maybe been a
little too aggressive at times turned out being poor. So
maybe this is a good spot for the Mets to
be a little patient, even though it doesn't feel good.
It gives me Adja to be like, I don't know
who's playing what position this year. Mark Viento's is still
on this team. Is he gonna be our first baseman?
Is who's gonna play the outfield? Or we're gonna have
Carson Benz? What's going on with the rotation, what's going
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on with the bullpen? Like there are still so many
question marks, And I think that's an extremely uncomfortable feeling
for a team that massively disappointed last year and arguably
is way worse on paper than that team was last season.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
That doesn't feel good.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
But I think, like you said, the Mets aren't gonna
wait and look for their opportunity to strike for the
kind of players and the quality of players that they want.
And I guess Cory Polanco fit that. That's the one
confusing part of this whole thing.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
I guess so.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
But also I think there's a difference between patients with
the trademark and the patients with free agency. Like I
do think the Planco market moved quickly, and I think
they just gave him the highest AAV so we wound
up taking it. But I think that and Will Sam
has echoed this point a few times. If you guys
have him keeping up with Will this offseason, his reporting
for the Athletics been impecable to us the newsbreaker on
Twitter now, like he has talked about rising, he's like
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a like a Rocketshi.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I have his ass.
Speaker 3 (03:16):
But I think that the next big thing I have
to think happens for the Mets seems like a trade
because there's been so much smoke around this Mets Padres connection,
which at the first when I heard it, it didn't
make the most sense to me, honestly, but also still
around the Mets and Cardinals thing, but just the amount
of reporting.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
We continue to get out of it.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
From Will, from Dennis Lynn, from Ken Rosenthal, it makes
me think that these teams are trying to get something done.
I think the way they line up, oddly enough, is
that the Mets do have the number one thing the
Padres want, which is relatively young but controllable starting pitching.
Ye and like if the Padres can trade one year
of Nick Pavetta for like three or four or five
years of a conglomerate of other guys, or if they
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can exchange Mason Miller for what I assume would they.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Ask for Jonah Toong. It's the tongue.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Yeah, it seems like that's where the most smoke with
this is the Padres, the Mets wanting to consolidate some
talent and the Padres wanting some volume, which which works
for the message because ultimately we know at the end
of the day that the Padres are selling this organization
is in a very weird spot. And for a team
that's like tried to win every single year, which I
applaud them for, it hasn't amounted to anything hasn't amounted
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in a World Series appearance, not really anything to show
for it, and at some point they are probably gonna
go to a more I don't want to say sustainable
like outcome or the way that they run the organization,
but AJ Prowler can't keep trading every single prospect ever
to go get major league players and then not have
anything to show for it. So maybe this is a
step backwards to go forwards for them at some point.
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I don't know what a package though, for like a
lot of these guys would look like, because they're all desirable,
they're all on good deals. Like what what do you
actually give up for a Mason Miller? What do you
give up for Nick Paveta? I think that again, I
think the Mason Miller Jonah would be the thing. I
also don't even think i'd want to do that, Like
I think that the Mets.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
Have Ooh, I think I would.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
The Mets have so many holes in this team right now.
I really can't give up one of the best assets
we have in this organization to get a closer.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
I just can't. What if he then becomes a starter,
then how good the start? Do you really think he is?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Like, do you think he probably slid throws ninety seven
and then he's probably pretty good.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
He throws a ton of strikes for.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
The guy that's never been able to stay healthy now
only was able to do that pitching and relief. Do
you want to take that risk and make him the
star the I think sometimes if you're trying to be great,
you got to make crazy moves.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Oh listen, I understand both sides. I just you see
the quality of player that Mason Miller hasn't just definitely
unbelievably good. He is also in the bullpen, we see
he could just go like two innings at a time
when he gets used. That's an unbelievable weapon right there.
We've always talked about, like the Mets could really use
like a swingman stretch roll. And while this would be
a different way of using it, what if now, like
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for when Mason Miller comes into the game fifty sixty
times a year, might be two winnings at a time.
Speaker 2 (05:58):
It's possible.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
I do think also that there was there was a
line that Will had his piece that the mess were
considering something like that for Brandon's broke this year. If
he didn't get inst the rotation at the ear in
the early part of the season. He also cited the
way that David Serns' Brewers kind of eased in Corman
Burns and Freddy Pralt in rolls like that, Yeah, until
they developed their repertoires and were able to do it.
But there's there's such odd specificities in some of this
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reporting that really again makes me think there's a lot
of smoke here. Like Ken Rosenthal specifically named Jonathan Pintaro.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (06:26):
Let me just like to plug Jonathan Patara's name off
of a forty man roster when we signed Pintaara, if
it was like Montana David Stearns found him two years ago.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna find it because when when
he got his call up, I remember we went like
deep dive into Jonathan Pinaro and I'm like he he
played I think like in the Frontier League, which funny enough,
someone we went to high school with, shout out Steve
Barmaki and he like played in the Frontier League or
like wait, this guy was like teammates with him, what
the hell?
Speaker 2 (06:49):
And like he's a little bit older.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
But Pintaro also definitely has some really cool pitch specs.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Because he's a low slot guy.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
He gets up to the Pioneer League, the Glacier Range
Riders in Kallus Bell, Montana.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
That's nice. Love that.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
But he when he came up with the Mets last year,
briefly it was kind of a bit of disaster. And
I think some Mets fans are gonna paint him in
that light. But it seemed like he was really trying
to simplify a his repertoire because he only was throwing.
It was only a few winnings, but it was all
fastballs and colors. But he he did have a sweeper
and a change up and a sinker in the minor leagues.
I know the baseball perspectus, guys Jared Siler and Jeffrey
Pastor Nostro were like soft comping him to like what
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Michael King was like before he broke out just from
that low slot with sweep with an upper nineties fastball
even harder than Michael King ever threw. So but again,
this is kind of what the Padres want, you know
what I mean, Like they want a volume shop, Like
if we want Adrian Morejone and we give them David
Peters and Johnath Pintaro, They're like, oh my gosh, sure, yes,
that's saying like for them, they could have just bought
two hundred and sixty innings for like just a high
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levege reliever that maybe we make a star there after that.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It's just it's a weird mix.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And I think that maybe some Mets fans are excited
by this, maybe some Mess fans are terrified by this.
Like I think we're going to get something really creative
that happened soon because we have glutts on this roster,
like we still have some redundancies of Ronnie Resial Louis
and Hella Coooney Mark Fiantos. We have like this just
big mash of four and five and six star there's
that we don't really have still any really ones and
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twos besides Nolan McLain. Like there's there's something here to
go back and forth kind of figuring out what it
is right now.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Yeah, I still I don't know if the Mets will
move tongue still, I don't think so either. Just like
you mentioned, like again and shout Joe Demtic for dming
me this where he's like, if you didn't pitch those
seventeen innings, he'd be one, He'd be untouchable. You would
be like, there's no world where we're trading Joanah Tong.
So I think we have to keep that in mind
too sometimes, like I think the baseball world I think
still keeps him in very, very high regard as one
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of the top possible arms that could be coming up.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
Well, I think obviously, but we also saw the value
of Mason Miller this past trade that or he went
for Leo Devriis, who's like a top ten prospect in
the game.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
He looks like a possible shortstop that can hit the night.
A bad trade for Agian Brewler. It was a thousand
million percent of bad trade. And we said at the
time we did our trade rankings on the lines up.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
When it happened, I.
Speaker 3 (08:58):
Was like, it's a bad trad It's even my five
trades because the trade sucks. And I do think that
there was like a loose a little bit of smoke
between the Mets and Mason Miller at the trade deadline too.
And I bet that the ask again was Jonah Than
because Joonan Tong is in that he's in this sweet
spot for a team to want to trade for because
he got his feet wet in the major leagues. You
see the potentially you're already he's like, you could get
him in rotation next year and something can be happening.
(09:20):
Like it's but you just this is the one of
the best pitching prospects in the game. You need a
haul if you give him up.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
Yeah, Like, it's just it would it would cost a
lot from both sides. And that's what makes it so interesting.
Like you said, it is kind of a perfect fit.
The Padres have a lot of things that would help
this Mets team out right now, and the Mets have
exactly what the Padres would need, which is a lot
of young players that will be free for a while
and will be pretty good.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
The Mets farm.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Systems loaded, even a guy like again I mentioned David
Peterson before. He seems like the exact kind of guy
the Padres want just to be like, give us one
hundred and fifty innings of a four oera. But also,
I'm sure they'd be very interested in guy like code Asanga. Yeah,
I'm sure them buying Loan Sega is kind of exactly
what they're looking for. I don't know exactly if that's
what the Mets want to give. In this article Rosenthal
and Dennis Lynn and uh, well Sam, it was mentioned Paveda, Loriano,
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Mason Miller, Adrian Morijo, and Jeremiah s.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Trala. So that's the Mets still want to take a
shot that would be sick.
Speaker 3 (10:11):
We looked at this the other day too. He has like, wow,
four years of control left. Yeah, he could be one
of the fifteen best relievers in baseball.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
And this is where it's like, what is the what
is actually the value for these guys, because again, it's
one of these weird trade scenarios where it's it's not
like the patters have no leverage, but they also do
because the players are that good, but we know that they're.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Trying to get rid of them.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
This, this like strikes me as a fantasy baseball type
of trade because these are also two teams who intend
to be competing for the same playoff spots with Yeah,
like in very much in a very serious way. And again,
like I can't get past the fact that Ken Rosevedal
said Pintaro specifically, how's he a name that comes up?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Jacataro through I think he threw how many pitches was
this Basically, there're two innings last year, right, Yeah, he
faced six batters last year at the Major League heard
them two thirds of an inning Like that's that is
an insane name to mention.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But again he's on a with.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
The man roster. He's a little bit older. I think
he can handle a workload and he has very interesting
pitch traits. I think there's another theme of this offseason,
like we're looking for traits out here, like no one
cares about Johnathanpinaro's era and triple A of the major leagues,
Like low slot in ninety seven has has a sweeper
like that's something like it's in this Padres team. I
don't think they're ready to like I don't think I
ain't hear no bell yet. I think for this Padres team,
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Frade Apeller trying to compete as long is he still
the GM of that team. The fat Lady hasn't saying yet.
But once he's gone, that's.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
When you know the Padres are selling everybody.
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Speaker 3 (12:31):
But also like if he maybe he doesn't go, maybe
the next owners want him to do this. But if
they're going to sell everybody, they're going to sell everybody,
they wouldn't be looking for these types of players that
they're apparently connected to now, like maybe you still would
go for the guys like Brandon Sprote.
Speaker 2 (12:43):
I guess me tongue a very different world, but like that's.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
It's like they probably do have a lot more value
than I guess the Mets do at this exact moment
for these back end starther types, Like they traded Wan
Solo for a slew of back end starting.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Pitchers, like two of which we were like are never
going to be good. And they also at the trade
deadline they kind of dumped a lot of these guys
who were these guys for them on their team and
Ryan Berger and Stephen col like to go to the
Royals to get ready for me, get ready for me,
and no sense great defensive catcher was like steadied the
game for them and got a big hit for them
the Wildcard series. But it was just still like this
team doesn't have a DH they could use a better
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offensive catcher, they have negative bench, they have they have
kind of one starting pitcher unless you count Joe Musgrove
office Tommy John Like it's after Paveda and Musgrove, it's
Randy Vasquez, jpcis Kyle Hart and then like right now
they're projected rotation. Where's Johnny Brido at I think I
don't even know if he's around these days.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I mean he's in triple A. They have Matt Walder
and Jagger Haynes, Jackson Wolf like they're something interesting. We're
gonna give Matt Walter a shot. What I'm saying like
this is they desperately if they want to compete, they desperately.
Speaker 2 (13:44):
Need a three, four, five and six star the yeah,
and the.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
Mets can't provide that. I just don't know how much
quality you have to give up to get Mason Miller.
And again, to me right now at this juncture, that
doesn't seem like the spot where it's worth the Mets
pushing their chips in.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
No, I agree, even though I would love them.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
I'm not gonna complain, but I feel like the names
that would go into Mason Miller trade similarly, like the
names that went in the Mason Miller trade or the
name that went Mason Miller trade, You're like, that gotta
get you more, even though Mason Miller is a premier
pitcher at his position.
Speaker 3 (14:14):
Yeah, and it's probably also like a little bit of
a referendum on what the trade deadline is like first
the off season, ye, Like the idea is a deadline,
like we have thirty six minutes to make the trade, Like,
let's we gotta make it right now. If you don't
give me this, we're not making the trade. And A
J Peller's like, I gotta make the trade. We also
got some other funny news that's leaked out that Mark
Fiano's hired Scott Boris to be his agent, which that's
just that's a confusing one.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But holy yeah, good for him.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
The Philly sign out of last Garcia, which I think
takes them a little bit more out of the.
Speaker 2 (14:41):
Louis Robert sweepstakes.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
Which it seems like the Mets are front and center of.
It seems like they might be the only team involved
in this, and I can't really like this might be
a situation, like we said about Patients, where david Son's
has an offer on the table he's okay with that's
white Sox don't do it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
They're just gonna have Louise Robert this year.
Speaker 3 (14:56):
And if they do do it, then we're gonna get
Louise Robert at the price that we want.
Speaker 1 (14:59):
Yeah. Viento's ahunya. I think those are the guys that
they've got to be looking to trade. We mentioned in
the Polanco video, but like both of them having no
options and both of them kind of being redundant now
on this team due to Jorge Polanco for different reasons.
I don't know how you really hold these guys and
how they really bring a ton of value to the
Mets roster when you could probably go out and get
someone who could make an actual impact on this Mets roster,
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be an everyday player, definitely.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
And we've rehashed Luis Robert I think a few times,
and you guys, you're kind of either in our camp
or you're not in our camp.
Speaker 2 (15:27):
I love both sides.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
I love seeing how violently angry people get at us
for saying we want Robert, and I also love the
people who are probably drinking the kool aid a little
too much.
Speaker 3 (15:35):
Yeah, which is again totally fine, But if we said
this in the Polanco video, I just think that we've
got an evaluation on every guy out there right now,
and like you're going to kind of say yes or no,
just depending on if that spot gets to you, which
is how I think we've now come back again on
these Mets.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Kyle Tucker rumors. Yep.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
It feels like the Kyle Tucker market is nowhere near
as robust as it seems when the offseason began. At
this point, I think I'd be shocked if he saw
five hundred million dollars. I think some people thought it
could get close to when the offseason began as well.
Speaker 2 (16:04):
I think there's no shot.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I think there's not a shot in the world he
gets even close to that right now.
Speaker 3 (16:08):
So I think every single day where it goes on,
and that has been a point that the Mets are like,
you know, involved in this bull, some of the yeah bull,
some of the other bigger teams, there's a shot there.
I think that every day that passes where he's not
getting a ten year deal, I think that makes the
Mets closer and closer.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
It's actually moving their way in there.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
It does feel like a game of chicken between the Mets,
the Dodgers, and the Blue Jays, like who's gonna make
that offer where Kyle Tucker's like, ah shit, this is
really the best one I'm gonna get. And I don't
think any of them are budging right now because it
seems like all three of those teams know Kyle Tucker's
really good. Seems like all three of those teams know
he's gonna be an impact back for them, make you
already a much better team than you were. It's just
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can we squeeze him for a little extra juice? And
it feels like all three of them are like, let's
play this game. Who's gonna budge first?
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Especially when again, trying to read through the lines of
Will Salmon's articlely put in The Athletic on Monday, New
York is eyeing another bat League said, and this comes
after Hory planco. Of course, it would be surprising if
the Mets didn't supplement their outfield. Such an addition may
or may not come in the form of a star player, though,
despite the desire to be a better defensive team than
last year, the Mets believe they now have enough flexibility
to seek more of a bad first player. People familiar
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with their conversation said, so the audition could be somewhere
for the outfield or someone who occupies more time but
designated hither just seems like this door is being very
purposely left open for this one crazy thing to happen.
I know that we've got a little addicted to the
splash as Mets fans over the last few years, and
now we're getting reverse splashes like law last week. We're
still a week removed from all Overheart's being collectively ripped out.
But I think that I think there is a lot
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of value in trying to be opportunistic, and the market,
the part of the market that moved quickly, seems like
already moved quickly.
Speaker 2 (17:41):
And now you wait, I.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
Think the next like big dominoes are going to fall,
gonna be the the Japanese players with because they have to,
because they have to, they physically have to, Like Murakami
has to be signed in a week, I believe at
the time of recording, which is insane. And you've heard
again nothing, not a word about anybody interested in Murakami.
I'm like, I can't get a read on what the
Mets are doing this offseason. I can't get a read
on what Major League Baseball's doing this offseason. The Twins,
(18:06):
you just signed Josh Bell, Like I'm I'm the Philly
signed at Dollars Garcia. I'm so confused because like you
could close your eyes and be like Nick cast dollis
and dollars Garcia are gonna be the exact same player
next year, and you're gonna end up having Defensively, dol
Garcia was horrible. Defensively horrible.
Speaker 3 (18:22):
He had the knee thing two years ago. He still
has a canyon. I think he's still he was so bad.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
He was one of the worst outfielders defensively in baseball.
I think I think he might be cooked out there defensively.
Speaker 3 (18:30):
I think you still get a good year of out
of these Garcia defensively, I do, but like also like
one year ten million, like some people like the Mets
miss this one.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
I really wanted to.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Oh he was he was about average OAA. This year
was one of the best times in the league. Yeah, No,
he wasn't.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
Do I like only think of twenty twenty four numbers.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Yeah, I think sometimes if you do that all right,
another hand up. He went twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
He was horrendous, Holy crash twos go.
Speaker 3 (18:52):
He had that balky knee for like the whole year,
and they just ran him out there every single day,
and that was a mistake. It is kind of amazing
that a Lease Garcia has taken almost eleven hundred at
at bats in the last two.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
Years and it has like a six fifty ops.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
Yeah, and again like they kind of just were like,
let's get Cuban Costianos.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Were they playing him in center at one point too?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
That was that in twenty twenty four they were still
playing him in center a decent bit.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
But even then, it's probably like similar ish value in
Cassianos next year, I.
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Have something that had degree now only he only played
right in twenty twenty four too. He hasn't played center
since twenty twenty but he's like, I don't know like that.
That to me is also a big indication the Phillies
are not going to be in on the big money
stuff this offseason too, Like I.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Doesn't seem like it seems like they got schwarburn. They're like, Okay,
how do we get better around the edge? Which probably
also isn't the worst decision for them either. It's not
like the Phillies sneak No.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Definitely, Phillies are a good team.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
Like it's also a kind of a funny thing to
compare the Mets in the Phillies where it's like, in
the Phillies perspective, I'd be very happy to run back
that core, like you still feel like that core has
a lot left to do with this Mets corps that
were clearly not running back at this point in the offseason.
It did feel like every single players but past their peak.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Should we talk about the Wan Soda comments a little bit? Yeah,
we could talk about those two just a Hodgepodge episode. Yeah,
Hodgepodge episode. It's gonna be mostly rumors. But Wan soa.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Talking at the like Dominican Sports Awards or wherever he
was where he went the Dominican Athlete of the Year,
which shout at won Soto second award. Yeah, and they
brought talk brought like Pete Alonzo and everything going on
in Francis School, indor, and he was like, yeah, we
kind of knew Pete wasn't coming back. Like I keep
in contact with the club, I'm talking to everybody. I
know what's going on with this team. It seemed like
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everybody in the Mets world knew that Peter Alonzo wasn't
coming back except Mets fans.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
And then I mean also now looking back and you
guys heard us talk to d Sho last Friday, Like
it definitely did feel like that seems like the one
that was the weird surprising one was Edwin Diaz saw
him as to comments. I think that was at the
Poor then we can Winter League Homer and Derby where
talked about how it seems like Lindor was very surprised.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
That Diaz didn't come back.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yes, and there was like a quick there was a
call that was made between them. But then Diaz just
harped over and over and over again that he basically
just wanted to go chase a ring.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
And it's it's something we've talked about at nauseo where
it's like for Edwin Diaz, who if he continues on
the path that he's on, has a chance to be
like a Hall of Fame closer and he probably needs
a ring to really push himself.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
Over the top. You get some big, big highlight. That
was like late postseasons, so it.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Was like a big knock on some some relievers have
taken forever get in the in the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
But it is funny now, is these these reports and
rumors trickle out like some people in the Mets. I mean,
these aren't people in the Mets world, the just some
of the mutants on Twitter. We're like offended that like Wance,
so the key them with the plants, like why why
they're such disdain for Wance So though I don't know,
they feel like there's a lot of disdain for want
So Tho too right now, like in media, which I
think is really weird, and shout out Master Flip Master
Flip is really good on Twitter. He's a he's Dominican.
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He translates these things very well efficiently. People like bought
him for his translations on that. So it's it's just
it's strange the way these solo comments leak out sometimes
and the way people perceive them just because he's really
good and makes a.
Speaker 2 (21:40):
Lot of money. I mean, it's crazy to me.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
We've been seeing like some short form stuff from Jolly
Alive where like they asked who's a better contract right now,
Soto or vlag Guerrero Junior, like who's gonna age well,
and the reporters are just straight up lying about the
kind of play like Black Junior is awesome, this is
not anything. He's a flat junior, but like, oh it
plays great first base, he's more athletic, and like none
of these things are true, and then they're like, so
he's gonna he's gonna age out of the outfield, is
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gonna be the He's a better athlete right now, plays
a harder position and is a better hitter. Like what,
we just don't like Wan Soto because he's the most paid,
highest paid athlete who doesn't want to talk to you.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
But also, if you flipped it around to the other side,
if you went if you had this conversation with them
exactly one year ago before Solo signed the deal, but
also after last postseason, everyone said so because of his
heros last pot season. It's flat did this like there's
a lot of you know, recency bias that plays in
the way that we perceive these players, and you don't
right now doing your twelve days of ranking sometimes last
year really holds a lot of value in your head.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Of course me me never biased, never recency, But this
is just.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
I don't know, Like I think a lot of people
want to continue to go after and pull this ridiculous
string about the Mets clubhouse. I think it's it's kind
of becoming a tree that we can't really understand why
keeps getting barked up and took.
Speaker 2 (22:45):
Him to the Braves on a one year, twenty million
dollar deal. It's a good deal, is it. I take that. Yeah.
I mean they didn't have they didn't have anyone else.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
Do you do you know what his defense was last year?
I know the fact it was bad.
Speaker 2 (22:58):
I think that them signing him to that is like
we hope the shoulders better.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
I guess yeah, again, like they had they were shortstop
less than they need to do something like that.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
We're talking about that.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
So Nolan McLain also similarly went on pitching in Just
podcast over the weekend and that was sensationally If you
guys want to have like pitching porn, like you should
go listen to everything that Nolan McLain said on that
because it was absolutely like lockown unbelievable, and he just
he talks, so he's like, oh, this clubhouse was great,
such a fun clubhouse. They really like being a part
of it. And again he got there later in the
season and he was like, yeah, this is great. You
know agenda. He's like, yeah, fun clubhouse.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Like listen, I want to get a big head here
for a second.
Speaker 1 (23:32):
But I really wish like Baseball World could have seen
our podcast with Disha because she also like a very
prominent reporter, very credible inside the clubhouse, like there's nothing
wrong in there. It's like seems like everybody from the
outside likes to think that there's something wrong, and then
everybody that's inside goes it was fine. They're just not
best friends. That happens, This isn't a problem.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
And you're just not winning. Like if you're not winning,
this stuff all looks a lot worse. Like the me's
won two more games last year. I feel like a
lot of these narratives wouldn't have happened. But that's that's
also west where we're at. We deserve it, so it is.
It is an uncomfortable time in the off season for
you guys all, specifically as Mets fans, because you see
a very incomplete team as of December fifteen, sixteenth, when
you're listening to this and you want, after the excitement
of last year and last offseason, you wanted to keep
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momentum going, and we've stopped all momentum flat and we've
lost a lot of your guys' favorite players. Like that
part sucks and I'm still not really over half it,
but like looking around, like I'm I'm definitely more excited
the days go on for like what can happen next.
And also I think that the Hory Polanco move, while
like in a vacuum, it does seem just very regular,
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like you just got a guy that can hit, and
we'll see if he wants up playing first base. But
like that's at least an indication from management that we're
still going to try. Are people think there's gonna be
a rebuilding year, like you can let the young guys
play well, also not rebuilding and competing for wildcard spot
like we were ass last year, Mega ass, super turbo ass,
and like we were still one game from the postseason
with eighty four, with eighty three wins. It's like if
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you just again one here, if you just shoot for
eighty seven eighty eight every year.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
God, but that does seem like what actually is happening
right now.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
It seems like they're not ready to go in on
a team that can beat the Dodgers, but it seems
like they're gonna go in on a team that can
get to the dance. Yeah, I uh, which I don't
think that's the best rategy either, but I just I
think that's what they're doing.
Speaker 2 (25:14):
No, it's it's it's a scary world.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
It's a scary world out there being a Mets fan
right now, I just.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
I don't like it. It's so uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (25:22):
Like we again, we applaud David Sets for the like
secrecy and the quiet and everything, and it worked in
the past because we got the players we wanted, and
now that we know we got the players that we want,
I'm like, I hate this shit. Please give me any
inkling of it a sense of what's going on, which
is why.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
This is kind of funny that we're like harping on
all these rumors and talking about all these players were
connected with and reporting, but then they just signed Horriy
Planco and there was not one no person, pundit, journalist, analyst,
YouTube channel, anybody out there that ever would have connected
Horriy Planco to the Mets, let alone to be their first.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
Blase Harboard Wardy makes content on any single thing that
goes on the Mets world. First Wrriy Polanco mentioned is
basically when they signed it. Like, if Wardy doesn't have it,
it's not out there.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Yeah, Like I think the Horry Planka signing is just
objectively good.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
It's cool. The only tine, the only thing I will
say it is.
Speaker 1 (26:07):
Weird, like to want to pay Hori Polanco at age
like thirty three and thirty four twenty million dollars a year,
and you're like, I'm worried about Pete at age thirty
four and thirty five.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
When I think if fory Planco won a five year deal,
I don't think we would signed. No, I know, but
they are different. It's an age, no, I know. I
know if Pete wanted the two years, would have signed
to him too.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I want to peep back. I miss him. I can't,
I do, I do miss Pete. I haven't watched the
Orioles press conference. I can't do it. No, I can't.
He does seem really happy. He cutched it.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
He got a wicked bag on that and there you know,
and they're going they're going to love him. But like
I think, there's also very much two sides this coin.
There's a lot of revisionist history when a guy like
that leaves where we do always remember the best of times. Ever,
like if Pete didn't hit the home run against the
Brewers last season, I think a lot of people have
had different perspective even if he came back for this
one year.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Yeah, well, we always felt weird because we're like people
hated Pete, like he doesn't clutch, and we're like, I mean,
Pete's really good, guys, like I feel like we're missing
the context and now that he had the good year
after the big moment, completely forgot about how much they
hated him for a season when he couldn't get the
big hit he only hit home runs like hey, rot
up nine.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Yeah, and then and then also the flip side of
this is like there's also some revision's history and that
like Pete wasn't as good as a remember, but Pete
was still really good, like a guy Mike phili He
had a great colup of all the Pet's eras he
made last year, and there were some really bad ones
in there. But I'm like, I'm not I don't know,
I'm not ready to be like I hate PNTO because
sign somewhere else. Not, it's just I think the thing
we all have to get on board with and not
maybe not we don't have to get on board with.
But like acknowledges that the met seemingly had no interest
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whatsoever they bring him back. Nope, like there was not
there was not really any way, shape or form that
he was going to fit into whatever, like whatever plan
they have on the contract of mans he got and
what the market was was going to pay him.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
It seems like mom Soto knew the entire time.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Yeah, that seem like that. Maybe Lindor did too. I
mean Nolan McLain that interview with Pitching Ninja. He was like, people,
such a great guy.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
We've been texting we.
Speaker 1 (27:48):
Gotta we gotta talk about that article too from Bill
Sherman that Steve Powend needs to sit down indoor.
Speaker 3 (27:55):
Oh, so let's do that. Let's let's do a double
medium over right here. I guess people used in this episode.
So that was the one. Do you have you ever
pulled up you have a headline?
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Anything?
Speaker 1 (28:02):
I will, I'll get to the DMS right now. But
Joel Sherman wrote an article and listen, like Joseph pros Pro,
I don't necessarily agree with everything that he says, and
I think at times he does kind of venture into
the realm of like what.
Speaker 2 (28:13):
The fuck are we doing here?
Speaker 1 (28:15):
But his tweet from December thirteenth shout out Drew and
Christy Steve Cohen should meet with Lindor Slash Soto if
they're good with each other discuss how to avoid repeating
the twenty twenty five disaster. But if the relationship is
a problem, then for the one billion plus all in
on the duo, the Mets owner has a right to say,
let's fix this now. And then it was like a
picture of Steve Cohen, like scolding children at a dinner table.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
Which is again unbelievable that that would be the headline,
the picture that's being put out there.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
And then the New York Post won up themselves on Monday. Yeah,
got that one.
Speaker 3 (28:44):
This is a headline former Mets manager Mickey Calloway's warning
after star exodus it better work.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, Like, who fucking cares what that asshole has to say?
Why are we even at why are we even asking
for his opinion? That's like breaking news. Baby says it
might be sunny tomorrow. Oh okay, Well you don't know anything.
You're Mickey Cowway's disgraced. He shouldn't be in headlines at all.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Best reply was for Matt Williams, who's a betting analyst
as a Mets fan, he goes was Deshaun Watson unavailable
for comment. Nice I quote with it be like thank
god we had hear Mickey Callaway had to say, and
someone's like, where's our house? Like, I just I can't.
I just can't believe that's the headline the New York
Post ran with. But again, I do think that it is.
It's not Revision's history, because these were good players. But
I do think that all three of those guys and
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edemud dsp lines of brand Nemo I probably already had
their best season, right.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
I think that's I think that's fair to say. The
thing that sucks about like that automatically like gives like
they've had their best season, like they're cooked almost no where,
Like Pete could still be like one thirty WRC plus
for the next three seasons, but his best was like
one fort definitely.
Speaker 3 (29:50):
And there also there was also a great reporting from
Jared Syler again Baseball Perspectives to a nice article about
what Pete did last year to kind of turn himself
into this better hitter.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
Shortened up his swing, got that bat speed.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Up while I did that, but also the contact rate
in the zone fell a lot. We've talked a lot
about that, specifically Brandon Nimo over the last two years.
Like when you start to see that contact right in
the zone go down like that is a clear indication
of aging.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
So like I understand if they thought five.
Speaker 3 (30:14):
Years was just too big of a risk for someone
who they saw some signs of aging on that, Like, again,
that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (30:19):
It's just it.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
And I still think too at the end of the day,
there is something about and this is not a negative
on those guys at all, like Brandon Nemo Pedalonzo, when
Jeff McNeil inevitably gets traded like that was kind of
like it that that was a little bit like a
weird situation where they'd been there for six years, so
they'd come up with this Mets organization and it kind
of felt like it could have been their team, and
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then all of a sudden it wasn't anymore and it
became a doors team. And then all of a sudden,
Wan Soto comes in and now it's really not their
team as much anymore. I'm sure there is just not
a culture problem. I'm not saying that, but I'm sure
there is just like a weird juxtaposition of like all
of a sudden you look around and the team's not
really what it ever was.
Speaker 3 (30:59):
It's kind of like how much do you keep one
of running it back with the exact same core and
I don't want to. I don't want to always invoke
with this team. But I think the line's been said
enough about wanting to be the Dodgers of the East
and us feeling like sometimes that's really far away. But
the way that Dodgers team changed a lot between twenty
eighteen and twenty twenty two to allow themselves the space
to again first acquired and extend Mookie Bets and then
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Freddie Freeman, then eventually Otani Cory Walk and he won
the World Series MVP the next year before they'd actually
won a real world series themselves.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
Like that is the magic. Pilanzo with World Series MVP
next year, I will be, but you'll be happy for
him depressed.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'm sorry they conflate that, because I think Corey secrets
a much much much much much much much much much
much much much better player than Pilanzo. But like it is,
sometimes you do have to make those hard decisions, and
those guys just they play a lot of baseball together. Again,
not that, like you said, the culture was bad or anything,
but you also do want to afford the other players
on your team the chance to grow up a little
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bit and possibly get intose leadership roles. We saw bred
Baidy as like the headline Mets player who was at
the Queen's Baseball Convention over the weekend. Like you see
him with a mike talk about being a Met, talk
about all the growth he's had.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Bait.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
He might have gotten booed at the Queen's Baseball Convention
last year before. Sorry, there's a chance that like would
have booed him when he walked on stage. Not us
always bred baby believers shot Bret Batty. I love him,
but like even Francisco Alvarez like coming in as like
a leader space something that he's been talking.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
He's talked about before too.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I think where the Mets are gonna go by the
end of the season, I hope is a lot better
than what it looks like right now. I think every
fan has every right to feel nervous and worried and upset,
but I I am going to blindly trust because also
I haven't I can't do anything, so we can't do it.
All I can do is sit back and hope that
it turns out good because I really have no impact.
Speaker 2 (32:41):
There's also probably just like.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
A little bit of an idea of Again, we mentioned
this to Hori Polanco on Saturday, why don't just change
the cocktail in the clubhouse a little bit? Like, I
don't think it's an accident that when like the first
two big moves of the off season, I guess for
position players was bringing Marcus mi and Horriy Planco guys
who are like Ken definitely good on the field. Marcus
Mian certainly is years behind him, Horriy Plank. We just
hope to kind of maintain here the guys who are
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known around the game as the dudes clubhouse, guys like
go go about their business, do their work, like guys
who can like be real earnest professionals in that clubhouse.
We talked about a lot, and we gave the Mets
credit for this over the last year, but almost the
entire position player group besides Lindor and so Though, were
Mets developed. We talked about the fact that when Pete
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and Nimo and to Lester degree McNeil kind of came
up through this Mets system, you kind of get got
used to losing. When you were in the Mets minor
leagues eight years ago, like those were some of the
worst based on team performance minor league teams every single year.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
The depth of organization was bad.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
Which is honestly incredible how well their actual players turned out.
Speaker 2 (33:42):
Yeah, no, it's great.
Speaker 3 (33:43):
I mean again, metskalthink, Mets rafting has been great for
a very long time now, shout of Timontanus on the
on the Rockies now in the Rockets organization. But you
just need to change things up a little bit, add
some new guys to the mix, like create a different environment.
Not that the one before was bad, but I don't
think it was additive either, based on what's happened in
the last like four years collectively.
Speaker 1 (34:00):
I think I think it is fair to say let's
try something different. I think it's fair. It sucks as
a fans perspective because we love the guys, but I
can understand it. I don't like it, but I can
understand it, and.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's it's all I can really do.
Speaker 1 (34:14):
So let's let's end the episode with this, James, because
I think that's pretty much all the rumors, right. Yeah.
I feels like, let's take a look right now at
the Mets active roster and let's just name some guys
that we think will not be on this active roster
by opening day, because I think that's what it is
ends because we mentioned the trade markets where we think
the Mets are going to be the most active. So yeah,
code Asanga is he on this team? Yes? Or no?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I think you get one of code Asanga or David Peterson,
but maybe not both.
Speaker 2 (34:41):
Okay, Well, I.
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Was gonna say, yeah, you gotta pick one, you gotta
pick one, all.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Right, I think that Sanga stays, Pewsing gets traded, Okay.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Of the pitching prospects, do you think that one of
Tong's Brot Christian Scott get moved? And which one if
you do.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
I'm starting to think none of those guys get most Okay,
and if there's one that's most likely too, I would say.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Sprote slog of infielders Akunya, Mark Vientos. And I'll even
throw Brett Baty's name in there, just because I think
he would be in the package to get a premier player.
Speaker 2 (35:11):
Yeah, who do you think is gone from that group
at this point? I'd be shocked if anything won with
Brett Baity.
Speaker 3 (35:17):
I do think that it crossed the league right now,
Like Brett Baity is viewed as a guy that's like
a real piece. I'm not telling if he's a cornerstone,
that's telling he's a franchise player. But I think a
lot of baseball teams be better off having Brett Bailey
on them.
Speaker 1 (35:28):
It's one of the fifteen best third basement in the league.
Speaker 2 (35:30):
Probably, yeah, probably just a great spot for him to lift.
Speaker 3 (35:33):
Like I think that being said, I think that he stays,
but I don't think it's impossibly gets moved. I would
be shocked. And I think that Akunya is almost guaranteed gone.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Yeah, I don't think there's really a spot for him
on this team.
Speaker 3 (35:44):
Viento's I keep flip flopping on like every day. I
have a different opinion if he's gonna be on this
team next year, right, Like, doesn't it feel like that,
Like even just getting a big headline on Monday that
he's Scott Boys is now his age that.
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Almost makes me you're gonna trade him more, I guess.
Speaker 3 (35:57):
But like I also, I'm starting to get myself back
and on the mark Fiento's redemption tour right now.
Speaker 2 (36:02):
Yeah, I don't know why.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
I just got It's like kind of the same thing
with Brett bay last year. It's like like I like
buying low, and I think right now is like as
low as you're going to be able to buy.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Mark Fiento's like, I still those for his career.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
He has to be better, otherwise it's going it's going
to be a career that doesn't last very long.
Speaker 3 (36:18):
Yeah, just because as we're bright handed hither with no
defensive ability and no athleticism whatsoever.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Like he's like, there's still probably.
Speaker 3 (36:25):
Twenty five homer batan Mark Vento's, but it just probably
comes with a three ten on base percentage. Yeah, and
like that that for some teams that's untenable. But for
a team like the White Sox, who can give someone
DH reps, for a team like the Cardinals, who can
kind of just let him grow and see what happens
with four years of team controlling, Mark Viento's like, there
probably is.
Speaker 2 (36:41):
Some good legitimate value there.
Speaker 3 (36:42):
Even a team like the Padres who don't have a
DH right now, he'd be a great DH for them
if you could tell Mark Viento's like, get the frosted
tips back.
Speaker 2 (36:48):
And just be our DH.
Speaker 3 (36:49):
We're giving me four and to fifty played appearance of
this year, Like it's gonna be a great time at
least if you can just mash lefties like he'll have
a job forever. Kind Of to a degree, yes, but
I think that going out and signing hore pl goes
it kind of a shot across about that whole group
of position players where it's like we're not we just can't,
we just can't wait on this anymore. Like we want
a veteran who can play positions and we know can
hit how many times did we say last year? Just
any sort of production out of those guys so we
(37:11):
make the playoffs. It also makes me think back at
like the poor strategy we had going through the offseason
last year. We're pitching where I think that David Stearns
knew that in the future we would get a nice
flow of pitchers that we're gonna come up through and
we're gonna be confident who're going to be very cheap
before the ball under team control and we could trust
as depth. But I think he knew that that was
at least eighteen months, maybe maybe one calendar year away.
(37:34):
So you had to jump the market reverse the way
I think is going on right now. You had to
get volume because if you if the Mets missed on
the musical chairs of pitchers last year, he would have
just signed wan So though and gone to with a
bad rotation.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Really, it would have been really bad.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
It would have been much It would have been perceived
much worse. It wounded up being horrific anyway. But I
do think that there was at least an effort there
to be like, let's jump the market now because we
don't have we don't have any kind of fallback options.
We wound up exactly having no fallback options, and then
the primary options also sucked that.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
I think people felt okay being with the rotation that
the Mets came into the season with. They felt like
it was not good, but it wasn't the worst in
the league. I wind up being one of the worst
in the league. And then the last one I'm gonna
ask you, there's gonna have to be one more outfielder
on this team that's not on the roster right now.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Can't pick someone in the organization who's gonna be oddly
to my favors. As long as newpar and Luis Robert,
I think it winds up being Robert.
Speaker 2 (38:22):
Okay, I do.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
Yeah, there's been so much smoke for so long about this,
it just seems like the match.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
Yeah, I want I want Robert.
Speaker 1 (38:28):
I know, I know new Bar is like a good player,
but I just new Bar feels like a high floor guy,
which maybe that's exactly why David Starns would want him,
but yet he feels like a higher floor where I
don't know what new bar ceiling is. Where like Robert again,
if he ever goes back to being like eighty percent
of the player that he was, it's like, holy shit.
Speaker 3 (38:43):
Hey, just like three weeks last year before he got injured.
It's just I'm not I'm not gonna pretend you're gonna
make consistency there, but like, maybe just give it a shot.
Speaker 1 (38:50):
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Speaker 2 (38:53):
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