December 10, 2025 • 18 mins
Pete Alonso has signed a 5 year $155m contract with the Baltimore Orioles. We are upset, we are shocked, we are angry. Real raw instant reaction coming from life long Mets fans seeing one of their favorite players ever leave the team. This is bad
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I can't believe it's gonna be even worse than it
was yesterday. But Pete Alonso just signed with the Orioles,
and I'm I'm absolutely livid.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I can't I'm pissed off. I pissed off you talk
about it one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean, I gotta put out this tweet about my
video going out because I just ranted for about fifteen
minutes on my YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Chow, I'm gonna rant here. Is unacceptable. This is unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
What just happened is a thousand times more embarrassing than
what happened with Edwin Diaz yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is a terrible look for the organization.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's a terrible look for David Stearns, the terrible look
for Steve Cohen. The Mets can almost not have a
shot at being better than the roster than they had
last year, and they missed the playoffs. I don't know
how they get better. Mark Vienzo is gonna get six
hundred played appearances?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
He's gonna pull two with Ryan O'Hearn or Ryan Clifford, Like,
what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's the fucking plan? I think that one, Yeah, You're right,
it's hard to see the vision right now. But two, like,
Mets are never giving Pilans to that contract. They should
they should have. That was a crazy That was a
crazy contract. From that, he's one of the highest paid
non non defensive players in baseball right now. And I
think that I'm very upset that pe Alonzo is going
to take play appearances not for the Mets in his career.
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I think that sucks. But at the same time, I
can definitely see the idea of being like, that's just
too much. That's just too much money in too many
years for pi Alonzo.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
The years thing pisses me off because five years, like,
save me the bullshit with the five years thing, Hee's
gonna be just fined in five years. The money is
also bullshit too. We we have the richest owner in sports.
If we're if we're gonna nitpick and try and thread
the needle on all this stuff, I think it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I think it's a bad decision, I think, but I
think that's what we're doing here. I think that right now,
like we kind of said when the season ended, like
there needs to be a reckoning for this team, this
organization this roster. The reckoning is losing all the players
that we like a lot like that's I think people good.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
These two guys were good. Like I can rationalize losing Nemo,
I can't. I don't know a world how the Mets
are better at first base next year without pie Alonzo.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, they definitely will not be better at first base
next year without pi Alonzo. But also, like you talked
about the embarrassment of the Edmund thing, I think all
the news that came out changed. It changed for sure,
the fact that there was huge earls and the Dodger
d and we may have actually offered more money, but
he was apparently, per Jeff Pass and Sports Center, pissed
off that we gave a contract Devin Williams didn't let
him know first. That makes me, honestly not ou said
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about Edwin at all. What's it changed how I felt
about him?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But this Pete stuff, we didn't Apparently we didn't even
come even close. We're we're didn't even send him an
offer because the Mets knew that they weren't gonna be
able to come close, or didn't want to come close.
That's more what is didn't want to come close to
the offerers that were out there. I kind of mentioned
this to you yesterday. I said, Shorebar five for one
fifty does a lot for Pete.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
He said it didn't. It clearly did. No, it clearly didn't. Again, Like,
right now, Pete Alonzo is going to be the highest
paid first basement in baseball besides Vladimir Guerrero by by
a good chunk. Like Pete's making more money for a
similar many years than Freddie Freeman for one few years
than Freddy Freeman. Like he he He's blowing all these
contracts out of the water, which again, like that's great
for Pete. Pete wanted it. I don't even care good
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for him. Pete wanted. Pete wanted this deal. He beat
the seven for one fifty eight to heat the client
a few years ago, the Eppler extension. And now it's
just like I'm I guess, I mean this this happening
very quickly after it happened. I'm still kind of shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I was.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I just I'm kind of sitting with this one for
a little bit right now, Like I can't I kind
of can't believe it. I Yeah, no, I can't believe
it either.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I feel like we've been bamboozled, we've been led astray,
We've been you know, I'm really pissed. I'm really I'm
really fucking pissed off because to me, to be out
bit by the Orioles is unacceptable on a contract that sure,
it's it's a big contract for people contract. Show you
got bigger balls, then go get go sign the guy
he's good.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And again, like the first base defense thing, it it
can't matter that much.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It can't matter that much. Show me the good defensive
first basemen in baseball, the ven diagram of good defensive
first baseman and good hitters, they don't fucking touch. It
doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So who fucking cares? That Probably don't care. And again
I agree with you that I would be very happy
if we would have signed this exact same contract for Plonzo,
But also like at the same time, like trying to
understand the rationale between not signing it, Like I get
that part too, but it is but there has to
be something it had. There has to be Kyle Tucker like.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That Kyle Tucker won't then cool, then this team sucks
next year. This team stinks terrible, sucked last year with
all these guys on it cool, then just give up
throw away the twenty twenty six season two, because we
were bad last year with these guys on throw away.
The season twenty twenty six is a mess too, because
we got an MVP season out of one. So No
Francisco Lindor was still amazing. Oh yeah, we had any
lights out bullpen. We had a first basemen that had
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forty home runs? Like, how is this team going to
be better? There's no way.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
They I mean they could do this to me. Two
two things come to mind. One, the way we went
into the twenty twenty four season comes to mind, where
like this team is going into it sucking, and then
all of a sudden, you just play well like you're
always going to be five game worse or five games better.
You think you're going to be the beginning of the
year las year we thought were like an eighty eight
win team. You won a three like shit, Like fucking
shit happens again. I think the worst part of this
right now is trying to like sift through and find division,
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like is this series like is this team going to
be like like let's lets shoot for five hundred and
try to be five games better? Is this team right now,
and you said this in the in the rants to
end the season last year. Are we trying to get
below the luxury tax? Is this the reset year? Which
is something and that you said in the season ended,
it kind of felt like that was possible. And also
at the same time, like this corps never did anything. No,
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we got pad we got pasted the wild card around
one time with all these guys in the team one
time and again like like even I was talking to
my dad yesterday, we were ranting together about the Edmund
dis thing, like remember when he almost blew the season
in twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four when the
eight the eighth inning he employed against the Braves, like that,
there's all the shit is part of this, and I'm
pissed off that we're losing all these guys that are
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like our favorite players. Again, I can't I still can't
even believe the fact that Pelonzo is going to not
be a met next year.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The fact that if I even see the Orioles, it's
not even the Red Sox or like the Phillies or
the Blue.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Jays or somebody like that was every one's gonna be
the Blue Jays. You know, it's funny, especially about the Orioles.
There's a weird like Cora layer between the Oriols and
the Mets right now because the Orioles this year had
a more disappointed season the Mets. They're one of the
few teams in the league that was more disappointing than
the Mets. They were also a team that seemed like
they have to be diving in a pitching and they're saying,
fuck it, they're spending this money and going after Pilanzo
like they were in Onle Tucker. They weren't in a
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college on college warbur and they decided to spend that money. Pete,
you know what else is gonna suck when we get
Ryan Mountcastle and that's gonna be our first basement next
year because you o heels are dumping him for nothing.
But this is this is like, uh, I mean dump
the dumpster day of people. It's a great day for
you guys. And I think it's fair.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I think it's totally fair because like unless it's Kyle
Tucker and then like won't it's not gonna be? It
seems like, but it it better be. I'm gonna like,
if you're a Met fan right now, if this, if
this is the roster of the Rocket into the season
where they don't go to a game, don't show up,
don't you cannot support this?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh, I'll be there for sure, one hundred percent. Again,
also like you can support whatever the fuck you want
as a fan, because I think there is you can't
support this. I think eight I think eighty percent of
the Mets fans are with you right now, being like
I can't believe this is unacceptable. Like do you think
that twenty percent of the Mets fans are like you
know this, Like this isn't the craziest thing in the
world at all.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
This the the one spin zone that I I'll go
back to that I think I mentioned to last year,
is is this a get rid of every single ounce
of will pond sting left in this? That feels like
it might be because it feels more and more like
it every single day because McNeil's gone within probably forty
eight hours as well. I can't imagine a team takes
so much longer they'll give him away for anything, it
seems like, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But again, like there's something like there was something stinking
rotten to the core I don't think that was Pi Alonzo.
If we was gotten rid of every single part of
the old Mets but main retains Pee Alonzo. I was
been thrilled with that. That's what I kind of that's kind
of the off season I was expecting, which is why
I still don't even think that's actually hit me in
my brain yet, because I thought we'd get rid of
all these guys. That's what I'm saying. I don't think
it's hit you yet. Oh, it's definitely not hit me.
This happened. I texted you immediately. I finished my coffee
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down at the West and Williamsburg and I ran here
back home so we could do this. But it's like
it's I'm I'm still absolutely mystically shocked that this has happened.
I'm sick to my stomach. I'm sick to my stomach.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You can't let this guy walk, not on that contra again,
it's a lot of money, but the money doesn't the
money doesn't matter that if we start worrying about what
the total money was for Peter Alonzo, where everybody we
made fun of last year with the Wan Soto shit,
where it's like, sure, that's that's talking poor not Steve
Colling big balls.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Did he pull the wool over our eyes?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
He got the casino and he's like, David seartns operate
like if it's Milwaukee again?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Or I mean, can I raise you one of these? Sure?
What if we didn't sign one? So though last year? No,
I'm serious, Like, would you think, like, w do you
think the next three years with this team would look
like I think that they.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Would be the Milwaukee Brewers in the neck that over
the next three years if they didn't have one. So,
which is Francisco Lindor a shortstop?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
When shit was falling apart at the middle of the
middle of the year this year, I was like, I
kind of think that the Mets were one shock by
reaching the NLCS and twenty twenty four internally of course,
and equally or more so shocked that they've actually signed one.
So that like, which would Francisco Lindor be on the
trading block right now? Would Francisco Indor be on the
trading block if you didn't even sign Devin Williams or
a top of the market closer contract like And also
we talked at the deadline about the fact that the
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Mets exclusively shot for rentals. Keep the books clean, Keep
the books clean, Keep the books clean. Is this like
an absolutely eternal scrubbing of the books?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
What is? Because I the one thing I can't figure out.
We've been trying to figure this out the whole off
season for years now, going back to when that David
Stearance was hired, trying to sift through and find the plan.
Even when we signed to what we thought were interesting
contracts last year with shaw Ma and Iya and Frankie Mantas,
the plan was like throw shit against the wall to
make this rotation good enough to possibly get their playoff
series didn't even reach those players.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
What if I told you that the mets of have
dedicated one hundred and fifty five million dollars over the
last year and a half to Shawmaniyah, Frankie Mantas, and
Devin Williams.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, then where then where's the rest of it? Is
the question?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I know, But I'm saying, like conceptually, thinking even out loud,
that never, that would never make sense to give those
three guys that money over for sure, that would never
make sense. So then what like, what is David Stearns
thinking he's got his vision? He's actually got to say
something now because he's been coy, he's been quiet.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I need something.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'm losing my fucking mind over here because it makes
no sense, no sense at all now.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
More so than with David Serns has to say. I
want to hear what some of these players think. I
would love and we'll never get this. Yeah I would.
I would love to make one. So over the Francisco
endoor right now, drink truth, serum. What do you think
about this team next year? Because these guys are locked
in for a long ass time, Like, is are we
gonna get a mutiny? Because like I think, I think
we're gonna get a mutiny from a section of Mets
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fans a one hundred percent. You can't.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You cannot look at this team, whether you're a fan
of player ownership, front offense, and say that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Where we want to be right now. You can't. It's
not possible. Definitely not. But like it's and is this
and then from the other side, are we being spoiled brats?
Kind of? Okay? Maybe? I mean also maybe not because
like with don look Greco, who's your forever met? Like
people could have been the forever Met.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I mean, it's gonna be one Soto, I guess, even
though he played for six other teams and all these worlds.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, you can't be a forever Met if you think
come up with the Mets like this is I mean,
but maybe, like David Starting said this ship in the
couple last press conference, he's done like this, maybe is
just a full youth movement. Like maybe we start to
see all of these prospects play, like maybe that's the
team they want to be. They're gonna be so bad.
I like, I think our prospects are gonna be good,
but the team will be bad. You how does that
even work? Let's give you this right now, and you
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guys answer this one home. Answer this one in our
comments section. Next year, will the Mets win more games
than they won this year? Eighty three wins is what
they won this year, and that clearly wasn't good enough.
And that was with all these players, but that was
also with this kind of like disgusting stench of underperforming
happening the whole time, which sick in my head.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Is yes, but not because of not because of what's
happening right now, It's because this team is so horribly
constructed at this exact moment that if you ran in
with this roster on twenty twenty six, it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Would be laughable. Well, it would be terrible. That's not
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Because why That's why I say yes, because sure, surely
there has to be a plan, because if not, David
Surns has been boozled everybody on the entire planet into
thinking that he's a good executive.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If there is no plan, there has to be a
But there probably is a plan, right. Maybe that part
that pisses me off is how different the vision is
between last offseason this offseason. Again is because I think
that the one so the thing was a shock, so
I think maybe a plan was thrown out and then
it was like, let's throw shit against the wall exclusively
for twenty twenty five and see if that shit again
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to the wall can just help us into a playoff
series where variants could possibly win. You could do that thing.
That's like kind of we felt like the plan was
last year. Right now it seems like the plan I've
been with, the actual plan was last year, and that
plan was throwout every single thing that's in this organization.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Isn't it terrifying that the Mets had so many holes,
and we kind of said Alonzo and Diaz are back,
and we're like, there's still so many holes to this team.
Now those are even more holes on top of this,
like we're worse at first base. Second base is probably
not gonna be very good. We don't have any outfielders
except Wan Soto. We literally don't. We have no outfielder
except Wan Soto. We don't have a closer. People still
want Nason. I'm in the same book like now I
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want Derek School but even more now, if we don't
have fucking Pete Alonso, how are we gonna score runs
If it's not Francisco Indoor and Wansto carrying things that
we've criticized other teams for in the past. We're like,
you have two good players and everybody else on this
teams whatever mark.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right now, we are below the first luxury tax threshold.
There hasn't been a season in the last three years
where the Mets were under the fourth luxury tax threshold.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Seen no money right there, that's money to go build
those you know, casino in the hotels.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think, like I do wonder if I mean and
again like maybe part of this comes from Steve Cohen
like maybe he's like, I've been paying these fat ass
tax bills. I'm happy to do it, but we are
paying fat tax bills and we're getting nothing back out
of it, like nothing back Like this team again, while
plans wasn't met, they went past the wild card round
one time. Yes, I'm said to my fault, but now
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his fault.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All I'm set. And the one time we didn get
past was largely thanks to him. It was not largest
thanks to him. And also, if you look back, you
know some of the worst signs that we've made was
because our owner was like that forty year old picture.
I know who that guy is, Let's pay him a
lot of money. And then they stunk and shipped to
bed because they're old. Like this is the first player
that has been part of the sexus. I'm incredibly sentimental
about because I do love Pete. I think Pete will
be good for the next four or five years. Wasn't
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Pete like one of your first like big Twitter diet
tribes too, Like as my first Twitter name was free
Pete Alonzoks, I mean I had made I made my
Twitter in twenty nineteen. I was like, if the Wolpans,
don't put this guy in the team on opening day.
I'm gonna freak out again if the Mets. If the
Wopans didn't put this him on opening day that year,
he would have got the qualifying off for this year
besides the plus one contract. This you're probably go one
more year of prime b Alanzo. It's funny how the
butterfly effect works on all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But it's like it's it's still like it's it's just
incredibly surreal at the moment. This sucks. This mega sucks.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think everybody has every right in the world to
be freaking the fuck out. I think everybody has every
right to be going ballistic right now.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Who's the most who's the most likely player you think
the Mets actually go after after next?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I like, right now, my brain is so broken from
seeing that I have I have no clue. I have
no clue at all. Are they gonna be in on
Murakami now? All of a sudden, are they gonna be in?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Is Kyle Tucker? I know you say no, but is
it Kyle Tucker? It's definitely Cody Bellinger. Cody Buninger is
a Met on a six year deal, lock it in.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
If Cody Belchers met in a six year deal, that
will be the time where I start to get actually
mad because I'm trying knock it in, trying I'm trying
not to open the oven before the cake even begins
to rise. Right now, you don't want to let that
heat out. But this is the first time I'm like,
I really need fall, I really need to take a
peek and be like, what the fuck is actually going on?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
But like, I almost don't want to think about it,
because thinking about it makes me even angrier because I
see every by the Mets not doing this by the
Mets was Edwin Diaz.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
By the Mets. The way the off season's gone.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It just seems like they're not gonna spend money and
they're gonna, like you said, it's gonna be the youth movement,
it's gonna be let's see what we got. Let's maybe
make a trade for a Freddie Perraulton a rental maybe,
and and go from there. And I still don't think
that team's very good. Still think that team stinks.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You're probably less likely to do that now because I
don't know how good the floor of this team is
at the moment like the win Now move. I mean,
this isn't a win now roster the way exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's like Alonzo and Edwind would have at least been like, Okay,
it's still relatively the same team.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Now, how do we get better? Now? It's like this
team's worse. How do we get even close to where
we were last year? I don't want to hear the
Edmonds stuff after the way that he apparent but still
we so yes, theoretic, but if you if you want
to walk out of this off season with Roberts Worrez
and Devin Williams, but I still think is kind of
pretty possible, then I think the back end of the
bullpen is better. I think Robert Swarres. I think next week,
after we let this all simmer down, we'll talk about
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positional replacements for these guys. That might be the Monday
video for you guys. But like, what has to happen
for you to not be depressed about this team?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I need twenty four hours. I can't I can't think
of it. I can't think of that. The contract. Pete
Alonso fails as physical has to sign a one year
deal with the Mets on a one year for twenty million.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's what makes me feel better. He fails as physical.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I have no idea him not being on this team.
I can't feel good right now.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I can't. It's I I can't believe he got the
same many years and more money. Thankye Shwarber actually can't
believe that. I can. I've been Why can you?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Because he's a couple of years younger. He hits just
as well as Kylee Schwarber relatively.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Doesn't just as well as Kyles Shwarper relative.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Coyles Schwarber up until last year, was the same similar
OPS guy to Pete, with a much lower average.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Two years ago, Pete had a below eight hundred ops.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, and Kylee Schwarber three years ago had an OPS
that started with what seven? No, it was, but he
had those years too in Kyleeg Shwarber's career, like Pete
had one bad season. We know what it was too.
I think we're overlooking Pete Alonzo.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think we really are.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think this is a big moment in that sometimes
we're too diving into like a little bit of the minutia,
a little too much minutia.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Again, I still think again, Pete Lonz was great, but
I am I'm shocked that he got that offer. He's
still gonna be good for those five years.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't think he has to be as this offseasons progressed.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Did you think Pete will get a five for thirty
million A A.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was always in the book of like five for
whatever Pete wants.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
That was I was even even you said five for
one twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, but if he would have told me one fifty
gets it said sure done, no, no problem.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's now our money. I would have been happy if
the met signed this deal. Yeah, exactly, and I think
other teams would too. But I am saying I'm surprised
by this. This to me feels like the Orioles are tilting,
which is again kind of funny that you let the
Orioles tilt on you, but.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It also it also feels like the worst ballpark for
him to go to, but it is pretty.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But the Oriol's owner, I think. Don't think people realize
how rich this guy is. I don't know why they
haven't been spending money, like maybe Magna Carter right, he
owns the he owns the Macnacarty, the the macnacarty the
basis of all Western law, which is kind of unbelievable.
Think about what's I want to see right now? How
do you feel better before before we wrap this one up?
How do you feel better? Also, Pete was going nuclear.
If Pete was an Oriole last year, he would have
forty five homewers compared to the thirty eight he had.
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How is that? I guess the opposite field, it's a
little it's a little better to be the better, we'll better.
It's a right center in Camden Yards for Pete. Maybe
that was what that is. Maybe that's probably honestly like
for them because Pee Alonso, the Opposi field powers thing
that's going to age the worst. So I guess you
have one of the best Opposa field places for today.
I guess I guess that. I mean all again, it's
I do think people are running a little bit too
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much with the fact that the Mets didn't make a
formal offer. Of course they were negotiating, and when the
offer went far above them, it seems like they were just, yeah,
we'll take ourselves out of this. But I hate taking
ourselves out of it. It's just sucks. It sucks. It sucks.
It sucks to lose him. I can't I can't believe
he's not going to be a Met. I'm mad.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm really mad. And that's how we'll leave you. We'll
leave you mad. Subscribe to Mets the Podcast, Listen to
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social media at Jamsciano, draft deck, Mark. I don't know
when the next video is, but I'm gonna screabe.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Maybe tomorrow. Oh yeah, it might be tomorrow. I don't know.
We'll see We'll see you. Bye, yeah, bye, guys. Let's go, Mets,
I can't believe it's gonna be even worse than it
was yesterday. But Pete Alonso just signed with the Orioles,
and I'm I'm absolutely livid.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
I can't I'm pissed off. I pissed off you talk
about it one hundred percent.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
I mean, I gotta put out this tweet about my
video going out because I just ranted for about fifteen
minutes on my YouTube.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Chow, I'm gonna rant here. Is unacceptable. This is unacceptable.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
What just happened is a thousand times more embarrassing than
what happened with Edwin Diaz yesterday.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
This is a terrible look for the organization.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
It's a terrible look for David Stearns, the terrible look
for Steve Cohen. The Mets can almost not have a
shot at being better than the roster than they had
last year, and they missed the playoffs. I don't know
how they get better. Mark Vienzo is gonna get six
hundred played appearances?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Is that what you're telling me?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
He's gonna pull two with Ryan O'Hearn or Ryan Clifford, Like,
what the fuck are we doing?
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What's the fucking plan? I think that one, Yeah, You're right,
it's hard to see the vision right now. But two, like,
Mets are never giving Pilans to that contract. They should
they should have. That was a crazy That was a
crazy contract. From that, he's one of the highest paid
non non defensive players in baseball right now. And I
think that I'm very upset that pe Alonzo is going
to take play appearances not for the Mets in his career.
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I think that sucks. But at the same time, I
can definitely see the idea of being like, that's just
too much. That's just too much money in too many
years for pi Alonzo.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
The years thing pisses me off because five years, like,
save me the bullshit with the five years thing, Hee's
gonna be just fined in five years. The money is
also bullshit too. We we have the richest owner in sports.
If we're if we're gonna nitpick and try and thread
the needle on all this stuff, I think it's fucking stupid.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
I think it's a bad decision, I think, but I
think that's what we're doing here. I think that right now,
like we kind of said when the season ended, like
there needs to be a reckoning for this team, this
organization this roster. The reckoning is losing all the players
that we like a lot like that's I think people good.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
These two guys were good. Like I can rationalize losing Nemo,
I can't. I don't know a world how the Mets
are better at first base next year without pie Alonzo.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Well, they definitely will not be better at first base
next year without pi Alonzo. But also, like you talked
about the embarrassment of the Edmund thing, I think all
the news that came out changed. It changed for sure,
the fact that there was huge earls and the Dodger
d and we may have actually offered more money, but
he was apparently, per Jeff Pass and Sports Center, pissed
off that we gave a contract Devin Williams didn't let
him know first. That makes me, honestly not ou said
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about Edwin at all. What's it changed how I felt
about him?
Speaker 1 (02:14):
But this Pete stuff, we didn't Apparently we didn't even
come even close. We're we're didn't even send him an
offer because the Mets knew that they weren't gonna be
able to come close, or didn't want to come close.
That's more what is didn't want to come close to
the offerers that were out there. I kind of mentioned
this to you yesterday. I said, Shorebar five for one
fifty does a lot for Pete.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
He said it didn't. It clearly did. No, it clearly didn't. Again, Like,
right now, Pete Alonzo is going to be the highest
paid first basement in baseball besides Vladimir Guerrero by by
a good chunk. Like Pete's making more money for a
similar many years than Freddie Freeman for one few years
than Freddy Freeman. Like he he He's blowing all these
contracts out of the water, which again, like that's great
for Pete. Pete wanted it. I don't even care good
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for him. Pete wanted. Pete wanted this deal. He beat
the seven for one fifty eight to heat the client
a few years ago, the Eppler extension. And now it's
just like I'm I guess, I mean this this happening
very quickly after it happened. I'm still kind of shocked.
Speaker 1 (03:02):
I was.
Speaker 2 (03:02):
I just I'm kind of sitting with this one for
a little bit right now, Like I can't I kind
of can't believe it. I Yeah, no, I can't believe
it either.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
I feel like we've been bamboozled, we've been led astray,
We've been you know, I'm really pissed. I'm really I'm
really fucking pissed off because to me, to be out
bit by the Orioles is unacceptable on a contract that sure,
it's it's a big contract for people contract. Show you
got bigger balls, then go get go sign the guy
he's good.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
And again, like the first base defense thing, it it
can't matter that much.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
It can't matter that much. Show me the good defensive
first basemen in baseball, the ven diagram of good defensive
first baseman and good hitters, they don't fucking touch. It
doesn't exist.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
So who fucking cares? That Probably don't care. And again
I agree with you that I would be very happy
if we would have signed this exact same contract for Plonzo,
But also like at the same time, like trying to
understand the rationale between not signing it, Like I get
that part too, but it is but there has to
be something it had. There has to be Kyle Tucker like.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
That Kyle Tucker won't then cool, then this team sucks
next year. This team stinks terrible, sucked last year with
all these guys on it cool, then just give up
throw away the twenty twenty six season two, because we
were bad last year with these guys on throw away.
The season twenty twenty six is a mess too, because
we got an MVP season out of one. So No
Francisco Lindor was still amazing. Oh yeah, we had any
lights out bullpen. We had a first basemen that had
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forty home runs? Like, how is this team going to
be better? There's no way.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
They I mean they could do this to me. Two
two things come to mind. One, the way we went
into the twenty twenty four season comes to mind, where
like this team is going into it sucking, and then
all of a sudden, you just play well like you're
always going to be five game worse or five games better.
You think you're going to be the beginning of the
year las year we thought were like an eighty eight
win team. You won a three like shit, Like fucking
shit happens again. I think the worst part of this
right now is trying to like sift through and find division,
(04:46):
like is this series like is this team going to
be like like let's lets shoot for five hundred and
try to be five games better? Is this team right now,
and you said this in the in the rants to
end the season last year. Are we trying to get
below the luxury tax? Is this the reset year? Which
is something and that you said in the season ended,
it kind of felt like that was possible. And also
at the same time, like this corps never did anything. No,
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we got pad we got pasted the wild card around
one time with all these guys in the team one
time and again like like even I was talking to
my dad yesterday, we were ranting together about the Edmund
dis thing, like remember when he almost blew the season
in twenty twenty three or twenty twenty four when the
eight the eighth inning he employed against the Braves, like that,
there's all the shit is part of this, and I'm
pissed off that we're losing all these guys that are
(05:29):
like our favorite players. Again, I can't I still can't
even believe the fact that Pelonzo is going to not
be a met next year.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
The fact that if I even see the Orioles, it's
not even the Red Sox or like the Phillies or
the Blue.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
Jays or somebody like that was every one's gonna be
the Blue Jays. You know, it's funny, especially about the Orioles.
There's a weird like Cora layer between the Oriols and
the Mets right now because the Orioles this year had
a more disappointed season the Mets. They're one of the
few teams in the league that was more disappointing than
the Mets. They were also a team that seemed like
they have to be diving in a pitching and they're saying,
fuck it, they're spending this money and going after Pilanzo
like they were in Onle Tucker. They weren't in a
(06:01):
college on college warbur and they decided to spend that money. Pete,
you know what else is gonna suck when we get
Ryan Mountcastle and that's gonna be our first basement next
year because you o heels are dumping him for nothing.
But this is this is like, uh, I mean dump
the dumpster day of people. It's a great day for
you guys. And I think it's fair.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
I think it's totally fair because like unless it's Kyle
Tucker and then like won't it's not gonna be? It
seems like, but it it better be. I'm gonna like,
if you're a Met fan right now, if this, if
this is the roster of the Rocket into the season
where they don't go to a game, don't show up,
don't you cannot support this?
Speaker 2 (06:32):
Oh, I'll be there for sure, one hundred percent. Again,
also like you can support whatever the fuck you want
as a fan, because I think there is you can't
support this. I think eight I think eighty percent of
the Mets fans are with you right now, being like
I can't believe this is unacceptable. Like do you think
that twenty percent of the Mets fans are like you
know this, Like this isn't the craziest thing in the
world at all.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
This the the one spin zone that I I'll go
back to that I think I mentioned to last year,
is is this a get rid of every single ounce
of will pond sting left in this? That feels like
it might be because it feels more and more like
it every single day because McNeil's gone within probably forty
eight hours as well. I can't imagine a team takes
so much longer they'll give him away for anything, it
seems like, I think.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
But again, like there's something like there was something stinking
rotten to the core I don't think that was Pi Alonzo.
If we was gotten rid of every single part of
the old Mets but main retains Pee Alonzo. I was
been thrilled with that. That's what I kind of that's kind
of the off season I was expecting, which is why
I still don't even think that's actually hit me in
my brain yet, because I thought we'd get rid of
all these guys. That's what I'm saying. I don't think
it's hit you yet. Oh, it's definitely not hit me.
This happened. I texted you immediately. I finished my coffee
(07:35):
down at the West and Williamsburg and I ran here
back home so we could do this. But it's like
it's I'm I'm still absolutely mystically shocked that this has happened.
I'm sick to my stomach. I'm sick to my stomach.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
You can't let this guy walk, not on that contra again,
it's a lot of money, but the money doesn't the
money doesn't matter that if we start worrying about what
the total money was for Peter Alonzo, where everybody we
made fun of last year with the Wan Soto shit,
where it's like, sure, that's that's talking poor not Steve
Colling big balls.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Did he pull the wool over our eyes?
Speaker 1 (08:04):
He got the casino and he's like, David seartns operate
like if it's Milwaukee again?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Or I mean, can I raise you one of these? Sure?
What if we didn't sign one? So though last year? No,
I'm serious, Like, would you think, like, w do you
think the next three years with this team would look
like I think that they.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Would be the Milwaukee Brewers in the neck that over
the next three years if they didn't have one. So,
which is Francisco Lindor a shortstop?
Speaker 2 (08:25):
When shit was falling apart at the middle of the
middle of the year this year, I was like, I
kind of think that the Mets were one shock by
reaching the NLCS and twenty twenty four internally of course,
and equally or more so shocked that they've actually signed one.
So that like, which would Francisco Lindor be on the
trading block right now? Would Francisco Indor be on the
trading block if you didn't even sign Devin Williams or
a top of the market closer contract like And also
we talked at the deadline about the fact that the
(08:46):
Mets exclusively shot for rentals. Keep the books clean, Keep
the books clean, Keep the books clean. Is this like
an absolutely eternal scrubbing of the books?
Speaker 1 (08:54):
Like?
Speaker 2 (08:54):
What is? Because I the one thing I can't figure out.
We've been trying to figure this out the whole off
season for years now, going back to when that David
Stearance was hired, trying to sift through and find the plan.
Even when we signed to what we thought were interesting
contracts last year with shaw Ma and Iya and Frankie Mantas,
the plan was like throw shit against the wall to
make this rotation good enough to possibly get their playoff
series didn't even reach those players.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
What if I told you that the mets of have
dedicated one hundred and fifty five million dollars over the
last year and a half to Shawmaniyah, Frankie Mantas, and
Devin Williams.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Yes, then where then where's the rest of it? Is
the question?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I know, But I'm saying, like conceptually, thinking even out loud,
that never, that would never make sense to give those
three guys that money over for sure, that would never
make sense. So then what like, what is David Stearns
thinking he's got his vision? He's actually got to say
something now because he's been coy, he's been quiet.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
I need something.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
I'm losing my fucking mind over here because it makes
no sense, no sense at all now.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
More so than with David Serns has to say. I
want to hear what some of these players think. I
would love and we'll never get this. Yeah I would.
I would love to make one. So over the Francisco
endoor right now, drink truth, serum. What do you think
about this team next year? Because these guys are locked
in for a long ass time, Like, is are we
gonna get a mutiny? Because like I think, I think
we're gonna get a mutiny from a section of Mets
(10:08):
fans a one hundred percent. You can't.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You cannot look at this team, whether you're a fan
of player ownership, front offense, and say that's exactly.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Where we want to be right now. You can't. It's
not possible. Definitely not. But like it's and is this
and then from the other side, are we being spoiled brats?
Kind of? Okay? Maybe? I mean also maybe not because
like with don look Greco, who's your forever met? Like
people could have been the forever Met.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
I mean, it's gonna be one Soto, I guess, even
though he played for six other teams and all these worlds.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yeah, you can't be a forever Met if you think
come up with the Mets like this is I mean,
but maybe, like David Starting said this ship in the
couple last press conference, he's done like this, maybe is
just a full youth movement. Like maybe we start to
see all of these prospects play, like maybe that's the
team they want to be. They're gonna be so bad.
I like, I think our prospects are gonna be good,
but the team will be bad. You how does that
even work? Let's give you this right now, and you
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guys answer this one home. Answer this one in our
comments section. Next year, will the Mets win more games
than they won this year? Eighty three wins is what
they won this year, and that clearly wasn't good enough.
And that was with all these players, but that was
also with this kind of like disgusting stench of underperforming
happening the whole time, which sick in my head.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Is yes, but not because of not because of what's
happening right now, It's because this team is so horribly
constructed at this exact moment that if you ran in
with this roster on twenty twenty six, it.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Would be laughable. Well, it would be terrible. That's not
going to happen.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Because why That's why I say yes, because sure, surely
there has to be a plan, because if not, David
Surns has been boozled everybody on the entire planet into
thinking that he's a good executive.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
If there is no plan, there has to be a
But there probably is a plan, right. Maybe that part
that pisses me off is how different the vision is
between last offseason this offseason. Again is because I think
that the one so the thing was a shock, so
I think maybe a plan was thrown out and then
it was like, let's throw shit against the wall exclusively
for twenty twenty five and see if that shit again
(12:00):
to the wall can just help us into a playoff
series where variants could possibly win. You could do that thing.
That's like kind of we felt like the plan was
last year. Right now it seems like the plan I've
been with, the actual plan was last year, and that
plan was throwout every single thing that's in this organization.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Isn't it terrifying that the Mets had so many holes,
and we kind of said Alonzo and Diaz are back,
and we're like, there's still so many holes to this team.
Now those are even more holes on top of this,
like we're worse at first base. Second base is probably
not gonna be very good. We don't have any outfielders
except Wan Soto. We literally don't. We have no outfielder
except Wan Soto. We don't have a closer. People still
want Nason. I'm in the same book like now I
(12:35):
want Derek School but even more now, if we don't
have fucking Pete Alonso, how are we gonna score runs
If it's not Francisco Indoor and Wansto carrying things that
we've criticized other teams for in the past. We're like,
you have two good players and everybody else on this
teams whatever mark.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Right now, we are below the first luxury tax threshold.
There hasn't been a season in the last three years
where the Mets were under the fourth luxury tax threshold.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Seen no money right there, that's money to go build
those you know, casino in the hotels.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
I think, like I do wonder if I mean and
again like maybe part of this comes from Steve Cohen
like maybe he's like, I've been paying these fat ass
tax bills. I'm happy to do it, but we are
paying fat tax bills and we're getting nothing back out
of it, like nothing back Like this team again, while
plans wasn't met, they went past the wild card round
one time. Yes, I'm said to my fault, but now
(13:23):
his fault.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
All I'm set. And the one time we didn get
past was largely thanks to him. It was not largest
thanks to him. And also, if you look back, you
know some of the worst signs that we've made was
because our owner was like that forty year old picture.
I know who that guy is, Let's pay him a
lot of money. And then they stunk and shipped to
bed because they're old. Like this is the first player
that has been part of the sexus. I'm incredibly sentimental
about because I do love Pete. I think Pete will
be good for the next four or five years. Wasn't
(13:43):
Pete like one of your first like big Twitter diet
tribes too, Like as my first Twitter name was free
Pete Alonzoks, I mean I had made I made my
Twitter in twenty nineteen. I was like, if the Wolpans,
don't put this guy in the team on opening day.
I'm gonna freak out again if the Mets. If the
Wopans didn't put this him on opening day that year,
he would have got the qualifying off for this year
besides the plus one contract. This you're probably go one
more year of prime b Alanzo. It's funny how the
butterfly effect works on all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
But it's like it's it's still like it's it's just
incredibly surreal at the moment. This sucks. This mega sucks.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
I think everybody has every right in the world to
be freaking the fuck out. I think everybody has every
right to be going ballistic right now.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Who's the most who's the most likely player you think
the Mets actually go after after next?
Speaker 1 (14:22):
I like, right now, my brain is so broken from
seeing that I have I have no clue. I have
no clue at all. Are they gonna be in on
Murakami now? All of a sudden, are they gonna be in?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Maybe?
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Is Kyle Tucker? I know you say no, but is
it Kyle Tucker? It's definitely Cody Bellinger. Cody Buninger is
a Met on a six year deal, lock it in.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
If Cody Belchers met in a six year deal, that
will be the time where I start to get actually
mad because I'm trying knock it in, trying I'm trying
not to open the oven before the cake even begins
to rise. Right now, you don't want to let that
heat out. But this is the first time I'm like,
I really need fall, I really need to take a
peek and be like, what the fuck is actually going on?
Speaker 1 (14:53):
But like, I almost don't want to think about it,
because thinking about it makes me even angrier because I
see every by the Mets not doing this by the
Mets was Edwin Diaz.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
By the Mets. The way the off season's gone.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
It just seems like they're not gonna spend money and
they're gonna, like you said, it's gonna be the youth movement,
it's gonna be let's see what we got. Let's maybe
make a trade for a Freddie Perraulton a rental maybe,
and and go from there. And I still don't think
that team's very good. Still think that team stinks.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
You're probably less likely to do that now because I
don't know how good the floor of this team is
at the moment like the win Now move. I mean,
this isn't a win now roster the way exactly.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
It's like Alonzo and Edwind would have at least been like, Okay,
it's still relatively the same team.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Now, how do we get better? Now? It's like this
team's worse. How do we get even close to where
we were last year? I don't want to hear the
Edmonds stuff after the way that he apparent but still
we so yes, theoretic, but if you if you want
to walk out of this off season with Roberts Worrez
and Devin Williams, but I still think is kind of
pretty possible, then I think the back end of the
bullpen is better. I think Robert Swarres. I think next week,
after we let this all simmer down, we'll talk about
(15:56):
positional replacements for these guys. That might be the Monday
video for you guys. But like, what has to happen
for you to not be depressed about this team?
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I need twenty four hours. I can't I can't think
of it. I can't think of that. The contract. Pete
Alonso fails as physical has to sign a one year
deal with the Mets on a one year for twenty million.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
That's what makes me feel better. He fails as physical.
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
I have no idea him not being on this team.
I can't feel good right now.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
I can't. It's I I can't believe he got the
same many years and more money. Thankye Shwarber actually can't
believe that. I can. I've been Why can you?
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Because he's a couple of years younger. He hits just
as well as Kylee Schwarber relatively.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
Doesn't just as well as Kyles Shwarper relative.
Speaker 1 (16:33):
Coyles Schwarber up until last year, was the same similar
OPS guy to Pete, with a much lower average.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
Two years ago, Pete had a below eight hundred ops.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Yes, and Kylee Schwarber three years ago had an OPS
that started with what seven? No, it was, but he
had those years too in Kyleeg Shwarber's career, like Pete
had one bad season. We know what it was too.
I think we're overlooking Pete Alonzo.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
I think we really are.
Speaker 1 (16:55):
I think this is a big moment in that sometimes
we're too diving into like a little bit of the minutia,
a little too much minutia.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Again, I still think again, Pete Lonz was great, but
I am I'm shocked that he got that offer. He's
still gonna be good for those five years.
Speaker 1 (17:09):
I don't think he has to be as this offseasons progressed.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
Did you think Pete will get a five for thirty
million A A.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
I was always in the book of like five for
whatever Pete wants.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
That was I was even even you said five for
one twenty five.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Yeah, but if he would have told me one fifty
gets it said sure done, no, no problem.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
It's now our money. I would have been happy if
the met signed this deal. Yeah, exactly, and I think
other teams would too. But I am saying I'm surprised
by this. This to me feels like the Orioles are tilting,
which is again kind of funny that you let the
Orioles tilt on you, but.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
It also it also feels like the worst ballpark for
him to go to, but it is pretty.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
But the Oriol's owner, I think. Don't think people realize
how rich this guy is. I don't know why they
haven't been spending money, like maybe Magna Carter right, he
owns the he owns the Macnacarty, the the macnacarty the
basis of all Western law, which is kind of unbelievable.
Think about what's I want to see right now? How
do you feel better before before we wrap this one up?
How do you feel better? Also, Pete was going nuclear.
If Pete was an Oriole last year, he would have
forty five homewers compared to the thirty eight he had.
(17:59):
How is that? I guess the opposite field, it's a
little it's a little better to be the better, we'll better.
It's a right center in Camden Yards for Pete. Maybe
that was what that is. Maybe that's probably honestly like
for them because Pee Alonso, the Opposi field powers thing
that's going to age the worst. So I guess you
have one of the best Opposa field places for today.
I guess I guess that. I mean all again, it's
I do think people are running a little bit too
(18:20):
much with the fact that the Mets didn't make a
formal offer. Of course they were negotiating, and when the
offer went far above them, it seems like they were just, yeah,
we'll take ourselves out of this. But I hate taking
ourselves out of it. It's just sucks. It sucks. It sucks.
It sucks to lose him. I can't I can't believe
he's not going to be a Met. I'm mad.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm really mad. And that's how we'll leave you. We'll
leave you mad. Subscribe to Mets the Podcast, Listen to
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social media at Jamsciano, draft deck, Mark. I don't know
when the next video is, but I'm gonna screabe.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Maybe tomorrow. Oh yeah, it might be tomorrow. I don't know.
We'll see We'll see you. Bye, yeah, bye, guys. Let's go, Mets,
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The Burden
The Burden is a documentary series that takes listeners into the hidden places where justice is done (and undone). It dives deep into the lives of heroes and villains. And it focuses a spotlight on those who triumph even when the odds are against them. Season 5 - The Burden: Death & Deceit in Alliance On April Fools Day 1999, 26-year-old Yvonne Layne was found murdered in her Alliance, Ohio home. David Thorne, her ex-boyfriend and father of one of her children, was instantly a suspect. Another young man admitted to the murder, and David breathed a sigh of relief, until the confessed murderer fingered David; “He paid me to do it.” David was sentenced to life without parole. Two decades later, Pulitzer winner and podcast host, Maggie Freleng (Bone Valley Season 3: Graves County, Wrongful Conviction, Suave) launched a “live” investigation into David's conviction alongside Jason Baldwin (himself wrongfully convicted as a member of the West Memphis Three). Maggie had come to believe that the entire investigation of David was botched by the tiny local police department, or worse, covered up the real killer. Was Maggie correct? Was David’s claim of innocence credible? In Death and Deceit in Alliance, Maggie recounts the case that launched her career, and ultimately, “broke” her.” The results will shock the listener and reduce Maggie to tears and self-doubt. This is not your typical wrongful conviction story. In fact, it turns the genre on its head. It asks the question: What if our champions are foolish? Season 4 - The Burden: Get the Money and Run “Trying to murder my father, this was the thing that put me on the path.” That’s Joe Loya and that path was bank robbery. Bank, bank, bank, bank, bank. In season 4 of The Burden: Get the Money and Run, we hear from Joe who was once the most prolific bank robber in Southern California, and beyond. He used disguises, body doubles, proxies. He leaped over counters, grabbed the money and ran. Even as the FBI was closing in. It was a showdown between a daring bank robber, and a patient FBI agent. Joe was no ordinary bank robber. He was bright, articulate, charismatic, and driven by a dark rage that he summoned up at will. In seven episodes, Joe tells all: the what, the how… and the why. Including why he tried to murder his father. Season 3 - The Burden: Avenger Miriam Lewin is one of Argentina’s leading journalists today. At 19 years old, she was kidnapped off the streets of Buenos Aires for her political activism and thrown into a concentration camp. Thousands of her fellow inmates were executed, tossed alive from a cargo plane into the ocean. Miriam, along with a handful of others, will survive the camp. Then as a journalist, she will wage a decades long campaign to bring her tormentors to justice. Avenger is about one woman’s triumphant battle against unbelievable odds to survive torture, claim justice for the crimes done against her and others like her, and change the future of her country. Season 2 - The Burden: Empire on Blood Empire on Blood is set in the Bronx, NY, in the early 90s, when two young drug dealers ruled an intersection known as “The Corner on Blood.” The boss, Calvin Buari, lived large. He and a protege swore they would build an empire on blood. Then the relationship frayed and the protege accused Calvin of a double homicide which he claimed he didn’t do. But did he? Award-winning journalist Steve Fishman spent seven years to answer that question. This is the story of one man’s last chance to overturn his life sentence. He may prevail, but someone’s gotta pay. The Burden: Empire on Blood is the director’s cut of the true crime classic which reached #1 on the charts when it was first released half a dozen years ago. Season 1 - The Burden In the 1990s, Detective Louis N. Scarcella was legendary. In a city overrun by violent crime, he cracked the toughest cases and put away the worst criminals. “The Hulk” was his nickname. Then the story changed. Scarcella ran into a group of convicted murderers who all say they are innocent. They turned themselves into jailhouse-lawyers and in prison founded a lway firm. When they realized Scarcella helped put many of them away, they set their sights on taking him down. And with the help of a NY Times reporter they have a chance. For years, Scarcella insisted he did nothing wrong. But that’s all he’d say. Until we tracked Scarcella to a sauna in a Russian bathhouse, where he started to talk..and talk and talk. “The guilty have gone free,” he whispered. And then agreed to take us into the belly of the beast. Welcome to The Burden.