The Good, Bad, & Ugly of the Industry

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Speaker 2 (02:43):
I mean, I think we've already done the giveaway if
we have in shout out to the winners. We did
a last minute giveaway because I had some tickets that
I was supposed to long story short, We're like, we're
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couple of days, right, four day camping music festival with
all sorts of music from like wrap to jam bands
to like electronic music to whatever you call me like
electronic hybrid. Right, I absolutely love this fest. And then
also bringing the world together of cannabis and you know,
the cannabis and e d M and new based music.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I'm like, you know, you got me, you know, yeah,
because you can get cannabis there. They have a shot there,
shout to elevate the exotics there. Throw the whole festival.
Shout out to the team over there.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
We've had Brett and then and a Neil on that uh,
you know, put the whole festival on, you know, their
homies and we're like, we're gonna start up fast, and
they did. And it's a lot. It's a lot of
work in the up. You know, it takes a lot
of infrastructure and a lot and they crushed out of
the park. Last year was our first time there.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
Yep, it's like a lot of sun.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
Yeah. Second year, hopefully getting a judge kit at least
doing you for stuff. Dave might enter, you know, we
don't know what we bop around. I play Saturday from
two to two, ten to three to ten, so come
check me out of the dab stage.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
He also might be joining in with some people.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
Yeah. I have artists at large Spot, so I'm able
to kind of jump in where any artist wants me
to jump in, So you might see me around the fest.
Hopefully you'll see me in a few different like sit
ins like improvs. I did that at Big Dub. I
did a few of those and it's a lot of fun.
I just kind of jamming people, so it'll be a
lot of fun.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Yeah, I can't believe it. It starts actually tomorrow tomorrow afternoon.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
If you're listening to this, you're either getting ready or
you're already stoke, we know. And if it's the last
minute's end, you're on the fence, like come on.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah, we'll be there Friday through Sunday, so overnight fun. Yeah, Twist,
I'm excite for Twist du.

Speaker 2 (04:40):
Yeah, I know, and Papadocios I think it's their final tour.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
Just to twist the smoke, because if so, I'm giving
gift them some bud. I'm pretty sure you used to.
I don't know if he still does so, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
I mean, I guess you know, I don't. We don't
talk that often.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Come on, man, what you don't talk to twist? What
is that? Is that? But yet's in the Republic. Yeah,
I think you would be, and you would be with you.
But looking forward to your sat Groove. It's will be
a signing weekend. Whether should be good, So I'm looking
forward to it. Do you have anything else you want

(05:14):
to say about Ciso before you?

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I'm looking at just who like? Some of the lineup
was what I was trying to find, but I of
course it's on my phone, so I should have pulled
that up.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
But you got honey Comb, you.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Got the Joker, the Whiddler, manic focus, distinct motive which
love just motive love, manic focus. There's a lot of
good talent here. Future Joy, Honeycomb, Jason Leach out to
Homie Jason, he crushes out the park Man. Mary droppings,
She's dope, It's it's gonna be a great fast Mary Droppings,

(05:44):
Mary Droppings. Yeah, it's dope.

Speaker 1 (05:47):
She's dope.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Uh, there's Mantra Sounds gonna be there. Oh, she's so
sick and her her second rained out at Big dB
half it and she's so fucking sick. She like raps,
sings and like trap music and dance music. Up step,
super dope, So super great lineup, shot out the whole
team at Summer's and smoke out by Eleva Exotics. We're
really excited for that. We'll be up there if you're there.
So yeah, so that's where we'll be at this weekend. Yeah.

(06:15):
But so the main reason why I want to have
a kind of a longer discussion and not do like
news updates today is because we just kind of want
to talk about because everyone's always ripping on the Michigan
market and like, of course we're going to, but we
want to start with kind of like the good, the bad,
and the ugly, because there's there's good, there's negative, and
there's positive. Like there's good, excuse me, so what's the
best thing? Because we got like two negatives. We already

(06:38):
talked about that, so we got the good bad, and
we're kind of comparing it to others. So we're talking
about the Michigan market and then comparing it to others.

Speaker 1 (06:46):
So we want to talk about like how in New
York you're able to consume out in public. Right, in
some areas you can hear. Michigan technically its can't, and
that's something that eventually we think should be legal. But
I'll let I don't know where do you want to start?
Do you want to start the good? You want to
start with the bad? You want to start with the Okay?
I don't know. To me, it's either like good or bad.

(07:07):
So I don't know what's too ugly.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I think I know what you're so so here, so
all start so like the good to me, like when
we talk about oops os, it's like the whole word.
When we talk about the good, I think about things
like having twelve plants, right, some people might say that's
not enough, but when you look compared to other other states. Right,
This is why I put compared to other uh like markets, right,

(07:30):
because I think they're positive nagas in every market, but
I think that is one that it's like at least
it's fair enough where it's like something you know, do
I think it should be twelve right vegging, I mean
flowering in my opinion, you know, right, you should be
able to have more vegging so you can you know, rotate.
Then I think someone would you know, push that and
have like thirty five you know, four hundred of them
fucking vedging at time, right, Like someone would push it

(07:52):
too much. But I think that's part of me, Like
that's a good part of the market.

Speaker 1 (07:56):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
And then also my my favorite part about the Michigan
market is that we're root it in with caregivers. There's
like a market here prior to making money about it, right,
So I think that created a lot of culture here,
you know what I mean, Like I think there's already
pretty culture, and then you know, you get people like
Woa Joe or people like Ghostbusters, people who came from
caregivers side and got on the metric market who now

(08:19):
still run ship. Like now you're seeing like lamb Chops
and you know a bunch of people like that.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
I think, I think, going with what you said, they're
good is our industry transformed from the medical and the
caregiver market. Like not all states have had that. So
when you when you start up with the state, it
takes a little bit more time for turnover.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
Yeah, you can't make that culture up either. That takes time.
Like yeah, because you have a legal market, like think
about in New Jersey, I don't. I mean there's maybe
there's a street market. But like when you start with
like no homegrow, you start with it not being culture,
you start with it being corporate. And I think Michigan
was kind of fortunate to have that, very fortunate.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Yeah, I would agree and like with that, like I
mean the caregivers helped supplyt supply the market when it
needed to when it first went launched in twenty eighteen,
twenty nineteen. Yes, sir, so a lot of the roots
come from there, which I which I like to see.
Then that's what like the quality stems for another cool
thing is like all right, if.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
You don't have that pre day culture, then then people
come in doing corporate stuff. They're the one who dictate quality.
There is the one who dictates stuff like that, you
know what I'm saying. It's not necessarily the people who
should be which are the consumers, the people creating the market.
Like I feel like like we came here any especially
because the gray area for so long here, Like I mean,

(09:36):
I don't know if everyone can know is the Michigan market.
But if you're new here, you weren't around. There was
a large gray area time, you know, where things were
legal ish just don't be there by the same time
of Copie right, Like you know what I mean. Some
of those disposers were like, you know, it's like what
you went through.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
I know we were working on it. I was working
in it. Yeah, but that built the culture where we're at.
And that's something I want to say too, which is
really good. Is the culture here in Michigan. You got
to think of We've had Hashbash, which is one of
the most prominent voices and events against the man right
for cannabis being legal, and obviously it's legal now here

(10:14):
in the state, but also now it's still a voice
for everyone else that doesn't have legal and still puts
restrictions on the plant. You have events that we have
in metric that people are doing for the culture, like
Michigan Matt, which went to the barbecue, the Blazing Barbecue.

Speaker 2 (10:28):
That was when I went to this last facet big
dumb Man. I was telling him about the Michigan Matt event.
They're like, what do you mean you got product for free.
I was like, well, I just went up to people
and they're like, here, what it's like. There might be
things like that in Colorado, but it's probably such a
saturated market that they're like, why why would I do that?
You know what I mean, like it maybe they're underground.
I don't know, or maybe they're just different right now.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
That's something I think that's cool about what we have
here is these events that were maybe.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
I'm wrong there. You know, my friends don't say roll
in those circles, but they are heady, so it's like
I feel like they would have heard about it. But
my whole point is that you just don't know in
our market is there are blessings here. I know everyone
wants to point out what's wrong because there are a
lot that's wrong.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
We'll get into it, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
And my big thing about the difference between a bad
and ugly in me is like there are some things
that are just like bad, like we need to change,
but then there's shit that's like we need to change yesterday.
And that's what I mean the difference bad and ugly.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I would say, also this, I mean, this can go
either way. It depends on how you look at it.
Competitive pricing in the market, it can be pro for
the consumer, but it could be a negative for the brand. Right.
But if you're shooting for a specific pricing and you're
able to produce a quality at a reasonable price, I
think that makes it competitive enough for the consumer where

(11:40):
they're going to be able to try your product and
continue behind your product. So it goes both ways for
me in that one, and we'll dive into it with
the negative as well too. But I think for the
people it's nice.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Because as a consumer, for me who's not selling on
the market, I absolutely love the competitiveness, right, but also like,
what's what's weird about the competitive It's usually competitives is
supposed to weed out the bad players, to beat out
the bad companies, But somehow we get these companies who
are like and I don't know why, maybe it's because
of their investors, but somehow they stick around because I

(12:09):
think there's money funding the cannabis market not coming from cannabis, right,
some of these people are coming in with other players
just enough to like scrape by right to make money
in like stick around for the long haul, to beat
out the small guys because they strictly don't have the
funds to stick around, you know. And I'm not trying
to get into the bad and the ugly too soon,
because I mean that almost sounds bad, right, It's a

(12:31):
twist it twist it. But also what's interesting is like
and this is like maybe this is more of an
ugly and we'll talk about this later then, because it
is like when you get into more notitoriums, like what
do you stop the competitiveness? Like it's too confusing, Like
it's very.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
That could also be a positive though too how you
look at it right, there's nothing to get into. It's
like we're talking.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
About our opinions. We're not saying like, you know, correct
for me, Like it's not The good part is that
right now, I hate to say it, it's affordable. I
can go get my good hash Rosin and afford it.
I can go get good Life resident and afford it.
Like so I think right now it's just unfortunate because
we're seeing a lot of the good players not get
paid and a lot of the bad players somehow get paid.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
Yeah, no, I gotta get you on that.

Speaker 2 (13:13):
Which that's well, that's a bad part of this industry.
The payments. But we'll talk about that anything good, anything
else good, Like you really want to say, like this
is great about our market, like especially coming from a cargater.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
No, we talked about it and we supplied the industry.
We took it off with help build the culture of
where it's at. I think we have some of the
best product around. But that's just me being biased. I
really do, from your concentrates to your flower grown, we
have great competitions for growers, like with the Hashbash cup.
You got that, right, that's a good ones.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's a good one. Michigan has a really balanced good
market every way, like flowers, good edibles are good good,
Like there's a wide variety too, right, It's not like
a couple of good players running Like Yeah, when I
was a how they told me like a handful of
when I was talking to my friends from Carra, Oh,
they're telling me a couple of brands like this is
where I really just stay. And I'm like in Michigan
and we have so many Yeah, you.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Can find a good flower from lack of nicep stuff.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
And that was like I don't want to be like
it's mid tier quality, but it's mid tier pricing. And
like some of our mid tier ship knocks out quality
shit in.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
Other states, we Michigan knows good stuff that we know.
We have a good quality market. We have a lot
of solid bud here. That's a good that's a great
point out, you know.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
And I think there is you know, I think someone
out there listening is like a carrier going, oh that
metrics shit is dry and it's Boof. There is definitely
that garbage out there. Oh yeah, absolutely, But we have
some good players out there, and we're also speaking from
both like the whole market as a whole, not just Metric.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
No, just kid, A lot of these caregivers have gone
into metric nowadays. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I'm started with, Well, I've seen Boof, I've got garbage
off the street, and I've got fire off the streets.
I've got garbage in the disk one and I've got
fire into this. It just depends, man.

Speaker 1 (14:56):
Yeah, no, no, absolutely, dude, absolute. I think we should
jump into some of the bad. Yeah, hit me with
something ready.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
It's only been fifty five to ten minutes, but I
want to really it feels like it was a little
fifteen minutes total. So no, I just think the good.
It a couple more good things before we get out here,
because there's a couple more that I want to jump
past the bad. I know you want to get past it,
but we don't. We have a couple of minutes.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
I love the good market, the community.

Speaker 2 (15:23):
The people here give a shit, Like we've gone to Vegas.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with the community. It's
just that, like, especially when we're in Vegas, right, it's
more party mode. Everyone's just trying to hustle. It's it's
very much like a thing, right. But when we went
to Spain, right, it had to be very low key.
Everyone was very hidden. Right here we can be like
very proud of being a smoker. There's like people who

(15:44):
are like the community is very big and it's not
like your typical person. There's no one person in the
cannabis community. So I love our community. It's very inclusive
in the sense of that everyone's allowed you like we
need to you know what I mean, Like got one,
you know what I mean? Like that that's the community
out here. And I got to say, like again, maybe

(16:05):
it's like that when you go deeper and like the
way like dab Cowgirl talks about Boston. That's how I
feel like we got to hear in Michigan, like we
have real community where like oh I saw you at
the last event. Not every community has that, and if
they do, you know, you know, hit the DMS because
I want to be there. I would love to see,
you know, like Ohio's I've always want to be a
part of. But that's more street stuff because they haven't
really got to that level yet. Yeah right, So to

(16:27):
carry that like caregiver community into the metric community and
like you see people at both you know, yeah, no, no,
absolutely because people you love the community.

Speaker 1 (16:37):
We love we man.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
I mean it's very passionate community.

Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, no, no, it is there.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I mean, look what we did with resident Rivals that
was a national competition in Northern Michigan. Like we're passionate here,
show smoking like they they're very passionate people here, you know.
And honestly, some of that hash that we've had in
Spain and had in different states and the ros and
I've tried in the full moult like we hold it.

(17:04):
We hold our fucking home, man. I stand by the Yeah,
all right always, that's all I want. I just want
to say that because I think our community is smoking
a car is no more probable, cause that's good. Smell
you smell, you mean like smoke, you smoke and weeding
the car. They're gonna be like, hey, it's I said,
smoke in a car.

Speaker 1 (17:23):
That's what you said. Smoke in a car that's catching
even smoke if it smells there you go there you
God is there?

Speaker 2 (17:29):
You go?

Speaker 1 (17:30):
No, I'm giving you ships. Like you said, it's great,
that's good. And we still have the medical program.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
And like, honestly, man, like I mean, there's still people
getting around wing curse ray, there's still like the nothing's perfect, right,
So yeah, you're right, let's get into the bad. So
one of the to me, one of the bad things.
I know, this is a fine line between bad and ugly,
so we'll probably be dancing back and forth, right. But
to me, one of the bad things about the market
is that to me, it's just toov you know what

(18:01):
I mean that it seemed because I don't want to
be like this is what everyone thinks, is what everyone
feels that sometimes the oversaturation has created this competition. Now
that's not necessarily dark by any means, but it's very,
very very competitive, Like it's it's gone so oversaturated that
now everyone in the markets. I think it's a little
I say this is bad for almost yeah, because like

(18:23):
you said, it's become good for the consumer. But I'm
carrying the bad side of it over into this because
to me, it almost seems like now it's like I
don't know, how do I say it.

Speaker 1 (18:38):
I mean, it's horrible for these brands because you're getting
these small brands can't compete when you're when you're other
brands are dropping pounds for like two hundred, right, and
then you need to be.

Speaker 2 (18:50):
Yeah, okay, that's a good way to say. I guess
what I'm trying to say is you're seeing the right
the wrong. People get affected by some of this stuff.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, some of the mom possible some of the smaller brands,
and that's what does suck. It squeezes them. But that
also goes into number two bad, which would be they're
not getting paid. So when you're not getting paid and
then you're also getting squeezed out on price and a
lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
You're not getting paid and that survived the whole getting
paid in thirty days thing doesn't make any sense either,
like pay I for your perc Yeah, right, like it's
got to be cash on delivery like that whole like
paying in thirty days thing doesn't make so get thirty
or whatever it's called, Like that doesn't make any sense
to me because.

Speaker 1 (19:25):
It's like what, well, especially when you're then it's like
thirty and that's ninety days late, and then you're getting
screwed because then you're I can't even make pay, Like
you can make pay, but you can't pay.

Speaker 2 (19:35):
And that's definitely not in my opinion, that's just fucked up.
Like that's what I was trying to say before. In
my opinion is like that, like what we were talking
about earlier, it's good for the consumer, yeah, but it
is a little bad because it's creating this like it's
like I don't even know how to say it. You
know what it is that this is what it is.
It's almost like animosity. You're even you're hearing so many
people in the industry almost like hate it, Like they're

(19:55):
almost like, you know what you want to do, make money,
don't join the weed industry, right, Like it it's almost
like it's almost become because of the competition, people have
gotten salty.

Speaker 1 (20:05):
Well because we've got some brands, because you've got some
brands that aren't even are people that don't even really
truly care for the play, you know what I'm saying too.
And then they're running the running businesses here and they're
dropping the price, and then they got in because they
got they had money to get in you and then
squeezes out players that want to get into the markets
actually truly care about the play. And I do think

(20:27):
another bad to me, but you're gonna have market over saturations.
Sorry if you don't, if you don't have a moratorium
on licenses. But me personally, I think it's I kind
of like that because do you think monetoriums are bad?

Speaker 2 (20:38):
Because I think it's an ugly situation because once you
start talking about monitoriums, I think it is bad to
some degree. But also like think about the people out
here that are trying to survive. Like it's like like,
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (20:49):
See both sides to it. I see both sides to it,
but I'm afraid if you'd put a moratorium in place,
how long is that moretorum in place? For? How long
can they continue to push it? Right?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
Right now? Do the bad players get in power and.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
When they've when they voted this in in twenty eighteen,
they had it so a competition would run towards the end. Right,
you're gonna have all these come players, all these players
come in, and everyone saw the guideline. There's as many
unlimited licenses pretty much depending on like the city and
stuff and where they're offering it.

Speaker 2 (21:16):
So I don't know, it's a that's complicated because I've
heard people being pro we need moditoriums because the people
that we want to see survive are having a hard time.
I know, right, But I think it's because a lot
of the So I think the issue with the monitorium thing,
there's the big bad thing that comes down to not
even just Michigan, every market, is that Dave needs every

(21:36):
last drive of that Espress. So he is just going
in I'm like trying to type a conversation. He's just like,
hold on, goodness, I need I need that. It's just
like David's just like coffee. There's still a little coffee.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
I love my espresso.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
Shit was going, No, I can see both sides, and
that's why it's definitely ugly for the I forget I
was going it is not it is ugly.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
I lost it. Sorry, as what happens when you're check
out and drinking espressident shaking it right in your face.
I apologize.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
You got anything else for the bad? I'm trying to
think the bad.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
I mean, I think it kind of sucks for some
cities that can't opt in for it, right, But I
guess that's not really a bad. It can be good
for other cities, for like municipalities to make tax for revenue,
you know what I'm saying. Like Center Line was making
money forever and then more and finally is opening up
here soon, you know. So I feel like if more
cities opted in, that'd be kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Bad. I guess one bad I would say about the
Michigan market because if we're going to compare it to others,
because one thing I love about the New York market
is that they're able to smoke in public, you know.
And I understand obviously like in family friendly places like parks, schools,
like malls, like I understand you can't have any but
like I do wish you could have, like you know,

(22:59):
how we had smoking sections like bring back the smoking section,
just let weed be there, you know, And we always
had an adult section, Like just let them smoke weed there,
you know. So I do think that's one thing I
would love to see is being able to publicly smoke
and not feel like a criminal, agreed, you know, And
I understand that you're not supposed to drinking public either,
but like let's be real here, everyone drinks at the beach,

(23:21):
like you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (23:22):
So, yeah, just because we'd smells, they shouldn't get in trouble.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
Because I mean, how long does it really smell for?
Like a second out? It's just like a cigarette two seconds?
That's something to smoke cigarettes outside so.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Dissipates in the air with him what seconds? And it's
actually safer because then you're not doing any other places.
You're able just to be hanging out outside.

Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's my point. Like what what you're making it dangerous
on purpose, like you're letting it making these kids smoke,
These kids, these new smokers, these twenty one year old
smoke in cars because they don't have anywhere to smoke
yet or.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Like you know what I mean, because I don't think
I don't think you can smell.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, you should be able to smoke outside your dorm,
especially if it's legal if you're twenty two years old,
you need a study breaker. You want to be smoke
weeds outside your dorm. So I don't know, I just
kind of think that, like smoking, that's the one thing
I love about the New York market, and like it's
bad here, so I'm gonna put it as a bad
but it's a good for New York.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Right, absolutely, absolutely, I would agree that is bad here.
I wish that did change. I wish that did.

Speaker 2 (24:22):
You know, it's like saying, are good the twelve plants
compared to New Jersey too or zero or I mean,
excuse me.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Yeah, so it's like, no, twelve is great, man, I
mean honestly, it's it compare like, obviously I wish it
was more, but twelve compared to every other state, it's phenomenal.
I think that's reasonable. Ideally, it'd be sweet if you
could have twelve flowering plants, then you can have a
bunch of clones, because then you'd have an actual perpetual
cycle for anyone that wants to grow their own. And

(24:48):
I mean, like, it is a lot of hard work
to grow your own, to grow some quality. But you know,
it's not like it's easy.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
You're just going to compete with the market.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
Yeah, no, no, no, I be like, no, thanks, dude,
I appreciate that. It's tough. It takes years, man, I
haven't I didn't just start growing wed. It's been I
don't know how long it's been. Actually, no, I think
about it. But yeah, I think that's always good on
going back to good. But uh, what do you have
for ugly man? Because I kind of kind of some
of the bad I thought was kind of ugly too,

(25:15):
just the way I looked at it, me looking.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Well, if I'm going to get into like the complicated
bad stuff, because yeah.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Actually I do have one for the ugly. Well, it
would be like the back door stuff coming into the industry, okay,
like distil it. Yeah, I think anything that's coming in
from the illegal market, the illicit market, gray market, everyone.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
A really big ugly one after this. But you no,
so distal let's talk about that. So what Days referring
to is that some of this disolate is coming in
like by a leader or just like a little couple
of ounce or whatever, just coming in sneakily, and it's
now a sudden it's in your stuff.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yeah, well that then and then it drops the price
on everything. You're able to sell it for such a
low price that it's like slashing the market. I think
that's because that's pretty ugly and.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
It's too it's basically can stab from the front and
the back, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, exactly so, and that that that hurts good players,
that hurts the consumer because you're you're just bringing in
stuff that known that's not probably even the right stuff,
Like it's just overall not good. Like if it's on
the listed market, that's fine, green market, cool, whatever. Don't
bring that into the metric market, like you know what
I'm saying. I feel like they should both be a
little separate and not there. And that's just where my

(26:18):
head we're I think it's kind of ugly. It could
could be bad, but it's also pretty ugly.

Speaker 2 (26:23):
It's ugly because it's it's it's definitely bad. It's ugly
because it keeps, it just keeps happening. And somehow we
can't figure out distance I mean seed to sail with
flower and with concentrates where how much it was made from.
But for some reason, disciline, I don't necessarily know the
process of why, but we always hear that always what
you got terpenes added terpenes. It's so ugly of a

(26:45):
system because now it's become almost a want or a
whole separate segment, like where how concentrates was these added
terps like different added terps, like joints, different ad turpets.
I mean they're probably doing into like different moon rocks,
anything anything concentrates getting this added stuff to add it to.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
Now.

Speaker 2 (27:04):
I understand when people were doing it into like edibles
to like add that effect of flavor right in the beginning.
But now it's like it's so been crazy and how
much they're doing it all the time.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
And then you just call anything in fuse now with it.

Speaker 2 (27:19):
And now getting like fake on flower and they're calling
it infused it, and it's like, you know, when we
heard it's it's supposed to be a rating near it,
not even dripping onto it. So it's like we don't
even know. And it's like, do you even know where
all your botanical turps come from? You know?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
An FDA hasn't approved inhalation of botanical terms. I believe either,
I'm not mistaken. I think that is one of the
ugliest things because.

Speaker 2 (27:44):
Well, and it's ugly because it's not good for you,
but people love it, and it's become almost like to compete,
you have to have a product like that because people
love the vapes. So the fake flavoring kind of came
from this new vape craze and then carried over to cannabis.
With cannabis vapes. Now it's into the flower. Now it's
into edibles. And I'm sorry I said edibles earlier. I
should have meant vapes. I said it in the edibles,

(28:06):
in the vapes. That's where it.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Started, Like like the bubble gum stuff we tried for
the bust and grass. We didn't see that review. It's out.
We reviewed it.

Speaker 2 (28:12):
Uh. Get why they added it to the vapes in
the beginning though, because people wanted that, and honestly, when
you're doing disty vapes, they don't taste like shit and
had time if it's bad live resent or back when
honestly the good Kings were bad. I get why they
were adding that flavor. I get it. Is it right?

Speaker 1 (28:27):
No? Or it shouldn't be around anymore?

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Dude, No, I'm it never should have been around. But
I get why they were doing it because it used
to just like poop now it's like, we have the tech.
It tastes like good stuff. We know it's not good
for you, stop doing it.

Speaker 1 (28:38):
Yeah, They're like, we're gonna take this bad bud, add
some chirps to it, and mun sell over top dollar.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, because I want to rush through these plants and
not take them.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Stop because it's never good stuff either. Good cannabis doesn't
taste like fucking blueberry kind candy that you got literally.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
At fast bubbah blah blah blast right.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Nohould not taste like bubbleicious, and she tastes like cannabis
and it shouldn't linger in your grinder. That smell ling
than the grinder, dude, for like a night or two,
and I just kept grinding buddy to get rid of it.
I was like bubblegum. I was like, oh my god, dude,
too much. That just yeah, that's horrible. That should need
to stop. Hopefully it does eventually in the future, but

(29:14):
I don't see it right now. People love it, dude,
people like you said, people eat it up. People eat
it up. It's just not best for the health in
my opinion. So ugly. Another ugly is I wish there
was if there was labels for remediation. We've talked about it.
That could be a bad because it's not really ugly
because they've talked about already putting labels. So it's just
bad because they haven't done it yet. They just they've

(29:36):
talked about it, serious, discussed it. It's like, yo, come on,
let's just put this on the market.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Testing what no one wants to talk about because no
one wants to talk about the CRA negatively and I'm
not going to talk about them negatively or positively. But
here's something ugly. Is that because there's so much regulation
in cannabis, either we don't have enough employees in the CIRA,
or they're focusing on the wrong stuff. Right, They're focusing
on phone calls from strangers and not going like, all right,
why is backdoor shit getting in?

Speaker 1 (30:01):
Where?

Speaker 2 (30:02):
How we trace this down?

Speaker 1 (30:03):
Right?

Speaker 2 (30:04):
I think help's not necessarily the concern, but just more
like how many violations can we get to make money?
Like we read an article last week that was like
thirty violations in a month, And I understand it's a business,
but I almost feel like, as I said, this is
an ugly conversation because the CRA is so new and
what they're doing is so new. It's not like you

(30:25):
can be like demand reform like it's still new. They're
figuring shit out. So that's why I said, this isn't
like a bad or good it's just an ugly situation
because you know, we hear from all these different companies,
Oh the cr should do this, Oh the CRA should
do this, Oh the CRA should do this, when at
the end of the day, like none of us even
fucking know what they do to their day to day.
We just know certain things get regulated, they show up,
you know, some phone calls get through, which I almost

(30:47):
wish I could have wish. And if anyone's in the
CIRI is listening, please come on because we'd love to
hear how your process is done. We'd love to see
like a guidebook, handbook, something to better inform ourselves and
educate the people of like what what goes on behind
the scenes? You know, you know, where where does all
this text money go to? You know like what we
I mean, how else they get funded maybe or something.

(31:14):
I'm not saying all of it, just a part of it.
My whole point is, like I think sometimes regulation is
something that we talk about on a big level of
like to criminalize it, but even on a local level
it gets complicated because I think that's where I don't
necessarily think we need reform, but we need a little
bit more open understanding. You know, people are getting these
violations left and right, like little things of like a camera,

(31:35):
and I get that's important. There is very important things.
When we're hearing about people not getting paid or two
hundred thousand fucking dollars, I feel like that should take
precedence because if you get those people paid, this is
how people survive. Like this is why sometimes I get
really like, you know, no, just more like curious of
like what really goes on, because like why these big

(31:57):
players get by Why aren't we helping these like other
people get paid? I don't know, And like why we
worry about violations when people are losing hundreds of thousands
of dollars and people can't eat.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
These are good questions, you know.

Speaker 2 (32:08):
And that's not necessarily on the cra It's who creates
the rules for the CI, who creates the higher given porterns.
I think that's what needs a little bit of reform,
not necessarily the people in it. There's people doing a
job it's a valid point there grew yeah, because like
at the end of day, like I'm not trying to
say I understand everything that they do. But also to
some degree, there's we've heard a lot of crazy stories
where it's like and you see thirty violations, it's like

(32:29):
they're still working out there. It's just like it's almost
like my shit with like police. I don't have an
issue with police. I'm just like, why are we over
focusing on like speeding tickets, like yeah, just to get
people pulled over? Like what I mean, I don't know,
folcus on like people road raging or doing you know
what I mean, I don't.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Know, like serious darker stuff.

Speaker 2 (32:47):
Well even on the road there's darker.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Stuff, no I know. So I mean you got shootings
at ninety four.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Old Times again, not knocking what people do, Like, you know,
everyone has a job, not knocking the people. I'm just
you know, it's a little you know, it's a little ugly.
Have a conversation that's all.

Speaker 1 (33:02):
Yeah, no, no, no, that's why we talked to them,
and we're going to the good bad It.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
Might just literally be like too much regulation for them
to handle. So that way, the CEAR can't keep up.
They don't have enough people. You know, that's why I
come on the show. Oh here's another ugly one standardizing
and testing. There's none true, so it creates this and
I say it's ugly because you know, I say it's

(33:26):
good in the sense of if we don't know a
perfect standard test, then okay, we shouldn't lock it down,
but we need to because it creates this crazy depending
on where you go.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
We finish four percent sells your bows for an extra problem.

Speaker 2 (33:42):
Right, it's all based on like dry to mount of
try combs, to wait to whatever. There's some algorithm, right,
there's some math problem.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
They gotta be careful with you tests with There are
some shady people out there. That is very true.

Speaker 2 (33:52):
Grou Yeah, we've allad you how many times we've heard
like either a story of like, oh, what what are
you looking for?

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Wise?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
Or here people hearing what females getting what do you need?

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yeah, like what what do you mean do I need?

Speaker 2 (34:05):
I need it to be And then we get people
like Cairos where they're like honorable and just like, hey,
we do your free test for free is all we got?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Yeah, he means free Turpins does one day turn around.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
Like from what we know and what they did with David,
it seemed honest. So it was legit numbers. It wasn't
something bloate at like thirty eight percent. Yeah, no, it
wasn't seemed legiti Like yeah, seemed all seem legit. Yeah
that was bloated. And but like what does that do?
All that does is damage the market? All does? It
just has cause people to be unbelievably competitive, you know

(34:35):
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
And the cool thing too, is like you can is
it Kiros I don't know other places, but you can
be You can even send your own homegirls stuff I believe.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, stuff like don't do that. My whole point is
that there is we need some type of standard, but
we need like almost all these lab heads to come
together for like a two to three day conference and
compare numbers. But I think the issue is that people
are able to make more money this way, you know.
But because once there's a standard, you're gonna see people
who don't have like business skills or networking skills fall out.

(35:03):
What's gonna happen at the day, it's like you can
go anywhere. Then once there's a standard, it's like I
just need you do to the service.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, well once once people find out and their price
and they inflated their THC and then it drops when
it actually comes real, you know how much product and
business they're going to lose because to sell the same
the same price. We hear it all the time. At
eighteen percent ain't gonna sells what twenty seven percent sells
for even if the terps matter, Dude, like it's crazy,
TI THSG is what matters in the market right now currently.

(35:30):
That's another ugly thing. I wish there's more.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Education in the ugly thing is that TC.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
But that's that's not even just Michigan though, that's the
whole scene, in the whole industry. In my in my,
in my opinion, I don't think there's anyone. There's people
on their markets right there are people leading the charge.
But like education isn't fully isn't fully leading it, Like
there's I don't know. I just think there's a lot
of stuff that can be taught, like no one wouldn't.
You don't always see terpenes talked about, or cannabinoids. It's

(35:58):
just mainly Indo coached the tabot high THHC.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
Well, because dude, so I mean, dude, think about it, man, Like,
education doesn't sell. It's never been sexy, right, Like, you
can't go to a weed event and be like, hey,
let's have like a nice form of thought about education,
not only the really like nerdy passion. People like us
go to those things care go to these events. A
lot of people like in out how high can I
get for the cheap amount of money? Yeah, you're battling

(36:23):
a whole eighty percent of this maybe fifty percent of
this freaking community who just wants to get high.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
Yeah, No, that is true. That is true. So that's
why I like, I like, like whose event Anthony does
that good event? The sessions education when you're like scanning
get free stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Yeah, that's what I'm saying. You have to make it
fun and learning like that because that's the only way
it gets through. And even people like that, you got
to give them some free stuff and make it fun.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Absolutely, I think I think that's something great about what
we have here. So we have in the community, the culture.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
Even so we're trying, we're trying to people like honestly
just talk about education, talk about things in the market,
like I'm sure this podcast most regions, but like, you know,
that's my whole point. These are the things that are
trying to you know, I just I mean, I guess
one one more ugly thing too. I don't want to
forget about what canna business. Cannabusiness businesses are tax like businesses,

(37:19):
but you can't operate like a normal business and write
things off. You just go to any bang, just get
any credit card, just you know, we need that fixed,
say banking, and like obviously that comes from to criminalization
in my opinion, but like, if we could just get
these people protected and be able to write things off
like fair businesses, you can see way more of the

(37:39):
good mom and pop good players doing it honorably succeed.
You know, because when you do it and you push
people to like pay these high taxes and not be
able to write things off, you're basically forced for these
people to eat their cut corners, to do some type
of side hustle, have a day job like what we do.

(37:59):
Just like you've got to do something else just to
fund it, which isn't fair because you're getting overregulated and overtaxed.
So I guess the bit you know, we didn't do
another one. It's overregulated too.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
Yeah, that needs to change federally, Yes, because I guess
that's a higher level. Yeah, that effects that's like all
industry affects everybody, because it does need to change. Like
anything with cana socks, that's social media.

Speaker 2 (38:22):
Even canna and we just do media. We've been flagged
and hit with things.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Bang.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
We went only convince them, oh yeah you do media.
We're like, yeah, just the name man, just doing business
as a name.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
So it's tough. Definitely. We sounds like we went through
more bad and ugly, but there is a lot of
good here in the state. There's a lot of good
that we have.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And we talked about the community. We talked about the quality.
We talked about like you know, the people. There's good
companies here, like growth, like a lot of passion. What
we do touch We're not just knocking. We're just showing
you that even though it does seem fun and we
go to the events and we get high and it's
like all these fun times that there are still stuff
behind the curtain are a little like messed up because

(39:01):
some of these people who are giving you free ship
and you're like expecting it and again, no big deal.
That's how it is. That's marketing these days, you get
free ship at these events, but like that's their livelihood
and then like the demand, they still got to pay
their tax on time. But they know, but they don't
get any of those advantages of being able to write
certain things. Well, I mean some things I'm sure they
can put, not all these other things that other companies

(39:22):
can do.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Now, this was This was a fun conversation. I hope
you all learned anything. And if there were stuff that.

Speaker 2 (39:27):
You hate the comments, yeah, let us know what good
ben ugly that we didn't talk about, maybe we can
say it on those stream on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
Yeah, because I think that'd be very cool talk about
because it is an interesting conversation to have because there's
a lot of stuff that happens within the industry and
it's effected if there's sweet stuff at every other level
and there's bad stuff at every level. So and if
you're from out of state, let us know about yours,
your state, because like each state, it's different from medical
to match your legal mat sure however you call it.

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