Midjourney Lawsuit, Video Leaks, and New --SRef System

Drew and Rory spiral through the Disney + Universal vs. Midjourney lawsuit, throw some shade at corporate legal strategy, and explore why this could weirdly help Midjourney in the long run.

They go deep on the upcoming Midjourney video feature (yes, angle changes confirmed), dissect the new --sref update and moodboard upgrades, and test out video upscaling tools and Runway’s new chat interface live on-air.

You’ll hear predictions, contradictions, AI-fueled ranting, a nun with a flamethrower, and some unfiltered Father's Day feels.

Somewhere in there, they even hit 20K subscribers.

Warning: You may leave this episode convinced you're in a simulation.

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⏱️ Midjourney Fast Hour

[00:00] The Lawsuit Heard ‘Round the AI World

[02:15] Disney, Universal, and a Legal Strategy Smelling Fishy

[05:00] Fan Art, Fair Use, and the Star Wars Double Standard

[08:50] Why Midjourney Might Win Even If It Loses

[13:30] U.S. Bill Says: “No AI Regulation for 10 Years”

[15:00] Midjourney Video Is (Almost) Here

[16:45] First Reactions to Ranking Party Videos

[18:00] Motion vs. Style: Where Midjourney Might Win

[21:00] Comparing Video Tools: Runway, Frames, and Coherence Woes

[25:00] 4D AI Video and Simulation Vibes

[29:45] Midjourney Video Details (5-Second Clips, Angle Change, V7 Compatibility)

[32:00] Image Quality vs. Resource Allocation Worries

[34:45] Style Reference (SREF) Update Breakdown

[36:10] Moodboard Upgrades and the Return of SRF Fun

[38:30] Rating Party #2: Wonkier, Weirder, Better?

[41:30] Topaz Astra vs. Starlight: Video Upscaling Just Got Real

[44:00] Face Lines, Forehead Fails, and Realism Woes

[46:00] Runway Korea Drops Its Own Image Model

[49:15] Runway's New Chat Interface in Action

[51:00] Voice Prompting vs. Typing

[53:50] Midjourney Fast Hours Hits 20K Subs 🎉

[56:10] Runway Speed Issues and Prompt Iteration

[58:45] Runway Tips + Reference Hack

[01:00:00] That Yellow Hue Problem and a Fix?

[01:03:10] Photoshop Replacements and Weevy Praise

[01:05:45] AI Burnout and Bigfoot Blowing Up Campfires

[01:07:10] Google + Veo 3’s Hybrid Film Project

[01:09:00] Final Thoughts, Tribeca, and Father's Day Love

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
What's up? Mid Journey nerds, Mid Journey
Fest Hours podcast episode 43. We're sitting here and we're
talking about lawsuits, we're talking about video, we're
talking about SRAF updates, we're talking about anything and
everything that's going on rightnow in AI video and AI image

(00:21):
Gen. And there's a lot.
There's a lot here. Disney and Universal just going
ham right out the gate. What I mean it's, it feels like
this is such a lawyer strategy, like this is just my own
opinion. It feels like, oh, you know,
doesn't matter that there's and this is me.
You know what, this is me standing up for mid journey

(00:44):
'cause there's 1000, maybe thousands.
And back up real quick too, Rory, for those that aren't
familiar. Mid or Mid Journey is being sued
by Universal and Disney for copyright infringement
specifically on like Star Wars characters and a few other
characters. Like maybe Simpsons or something
I saw maybe? Too Simpsons.

(01:04):
Yeah. Now, that being said, how many
of those Stormtrooper vlog stylevideos have you seen on the
Internet that are being made by Google, right?
How you know how much did we seewith with ChatGPT right out of
the gate, which was mimicking every style, every character
doing everything you could possibly imagine just feels like

(01:25):
mid journey's. The non, you know, is the
privately funded sort of like cash used that they are not tied
up with multi, you know, national conglomerates that
would probably be a, you know, abitch to sort of get in there
and do anything legally to them.So kind of feels like a legal

(01:45):
strategy, but I don't know what the end game is.
I don't know what they're tryingto do.
Are they trying to get a piece of mid journey?
Is that like their way of developing tech is to sue to
acquire? Like, I don't know, it sounds
like something that might be, you know, something for them.
Not like Disney's done anything original in the last 25 years.
So. Yeah, it's just like it's, it
seems. Yeah, it's, yeah.

(02:10):
It doesn't seem like it's like whatever you're reading is the
headline. It's it's not as straightforward
as that, right. But it is the first time that
you've got like a major Hollywood studio, you know,
taking Jen AI to court over image based copyright.
I was reading through the like the initial article, which I

(02:31):
think was on New York Times maybe, but it was, you know, it
was basically, you know, it was saying too that that they had
actually, I think sent a cease and desist a mid journey a while
back too. And it was basically like mid
journey confirmed that they received it, but they never
responded to it. But I don't yeah, it's it's like

(02:54):
the the curveball here is right.Like mid journey is not funded.
So I don't know, like, and I'm this isn't my domain of
expertise, but it's just like, damn, like that maybe ties up
money. Liquidity.
You know, like, does it slow them down having to do something
like this? So that's interesting.

(03:15):
Why would they try to take on Google like that would just be,
you know, Google's bigger than them.
Yeah, like, why would they try to ChatGPT is probably bigger
than open AI is probably bigger than them right now.
Also. Actually, I don't know, I take
that back. But like, it just it just seems
like the perfect target for it. And I've, you know, I'm not, I
don't like these corporate sort of games that get played like

(03:39):
this. So this is me maybe not being,
or maybe I'm being biased, but you know where it comes from.
And also, I don't know if it coincides with the the video
update, like now that you can generate characters from their
stuff and then generate video. So, you know, I, I don't
understand what the, I've never really understood as if, as if

(04:02):
it's like IP infringement. This is where there's always
that Gray area, right? Like is it infringement?
Who's using it and for what purpose?
Like, and I was going to say like who who's making money off
of turning somebody into a Simpson at this point?
Like you've democratized it. I get, I get the ownership of
it, but it's not like people aregoing out here and like
completely having a field day with with whatever, you know,

(04:23):
it's kind of like that Studio Ghibli stuff.
Remember it was like talked about for two days and it's
gone. No one gives a fuck anymore, you
know? So it's just, yeah, I don't
know, man. I mean, you knew something like
this would happen eventually. It's just kind of like it was
quiet for so long, I guess. I don't know, man.
What I it's interesting to hear,I guess, how this will move

(04:45):
forward. I do think there will be some
sort of precedent that will comeout of this though.
You. Know because there really hasn't
been anything else. I mean, the last thing you heard
about was, man, maybe it was like that.
It was Japan kind of making a statement on it.
There was one other thing that happened.
Could have the Streisand effect too.

(05:06):
It could go the opposite way, you know, like as as things seem
to do, because people rebel against Disney, they've been
rebelling against Disney for a lot of things, not not just IP
infringement that, you know, it could, it could boost mid
journey in a way, in a sense, you know, I saw a bunch of
people posting, posting, I don'tknow if it helps their case,

(05:27):
like on on X and stuff yesterday, just like a bunch of
dark words and stuff because they're trolls.
Of course, you know, but it's, it's interesting because like
the one thing that I have, so I have a friend that is a massive
Star Wars fan, like, you know, Star Wars is like secondary is

(05:48):
like secondary in his thought process to just about everything
else that goes on in his life. Watches all the fan art like
knows, like knows some of the fan art creators really well and
like follows them really, you know, really religiously.
And he was saying that this is something that they they only
cherry pick like certain people,like other people can do it no
matter like for as long as they want.

(06:08):
And then other people, they sortof like be like, Oh, we're going
to take you. Yeah, they have a target on.
Yeah. And it's, it's interesting
because they've always been likethe this the Star Wars
community, if I'm reading into this correctly, it's always been
like, hire these people. They tell stories better than
the people that are telling stories now.
Like they find like the niche cool story in Star Wars.
They take it and do it. And everyone's like, we want, we

(06:30):
want that. And then Disney doesn't take
like that as advice, like, why would you not, you know, like,
oh, here's your proof of concepton YouTube. 700 million right,
right, like why would you not dothat?
Like you don't just recycle. You know The Force Awakens as
the same same story as like. The original star.

(06:50):
Wars right it's like they they just they never think originally
and they only can recycle thingsnow because they have to be safe
but. It's just it, I don't know, man,
and who is the best. Like, I mean, there are so many
little nuances with something like this, right?
It's like, even if you have 'cause, 'cause yes, you can get

(07:14):
things like Darth Vader, you cangenerate Darth Vader in mid
journey. Of course, that's why it's
happening. But it's like at the end of the
day, doesn't have to be like a perfect replica too, you know,
for it to kind of fall in that category or, or otherwise aren't
we just talking about art and like creating, you know, people
that could take anything or drawanything.

(07:34):
And it's like it's, it's your own interpretation of at the end
of the day. So this is going back to what it
was trained on, but it's, you know, like similar to I mean,
look, I think a lot of people don't like this comparison, but
it OK, open AI all all these LLMS trained on who knows what,
right? Jeannie's out of the fucking

(07:55):
bottle with that. Like, I mean, what are you, what
are we doing now? We can't really like go back in
time and stuff, all that thing, that stuff back in and again,
it's they're, they're creating net new outcomes.
And like, I think like when I think about images and video and
stuff too, it's like who owns a pixel?
You know, you're going to go down to the pixel level and, and
you know, like what, what does this actually look like?

(08:17):
So yes, there needs to be some rules, some guide, some
guardrails, some brick somewherein the sense because I, I'm
actually surprised too, given how much time has gone by that
like there hasn't been like thismajor blow up disruption
scenario of like somebody fully taking somebody to the bank

(08:39):
with, with something that they've done.
Like it's all just kind of been pretty quiet, you know, in that
sense, Like no one's kind of like been the precedent of
punishment to this point. And no one's really done
anything wrong in the, you know,in that sense either.
So it's just been kind of weird to see this just crop up now
we're talking years later, I mean.
The interesting thing is like, Idon't know, is this a, is this a

(09:01):
sign that Disney's struggling? Maybe like you don't see
Coca-Cola or Nike who are easilythe two most.
General brands on the. Planet.
They don't see coke specifically, who's like, really
leaned. Into it, yeah, really know why
they like it because it's just free advertising like it's it's
just impression value. They people know it's not from
them at this point. Like how many Nike spec ads?

(09:24):
Nike mock ups? I'm guilty of doing a million of
them. Right.
See to generate it's pretty, they're pretty good generations,
so. It's like, am I, am I really
hurting the brand? But like, I see this, it's weird
'cause I see it at a different level.
Like from a individual artist side.
If you were like, you know, an individual artist that really
like made your name on doing a specific style and doing it this

(09:47):
way, like I totally get your frustration with AI like at a
corporate. Level.
Massive. You have a million things out in
the marketplace. You bastardize every single
margin you possibly can. Like I, I don't see how fan art
can really be like, you know, ruining your life or like
ruining your brand. So like, it's just to me, it's,

(10:07):
it's like a sort of I, I'm speaking out of both sides of my
mouth and I know that, but I, I feel a little bit differently
for the individual artist who has a gripe verse Disney, you
know what I mean? And Disney, just like how much
more money can you possibly have?
Piracy is piracy, Rory. Yeah, You know, maybe it's the
maybe it's the Robin Hood in me,which is why we started this

(10:29):
stuff to begin, right. Like let's give the small guys a
chance versus big people just have unlimited funds.
So it's just, it just smells fishy to me.
It smells tactical. It smells, it doesn't smell like
they're actually upset with mid journey.
It smells like what's what's sort of like cut them at the
right time for the right reason to try and get some sort of

(10:50):
piece of whatever they're doing.You know, it just kind of feels
like that. Were you, I?
Were you on office hours on Wednesday?
For about 10 minutes. OK, yeah, same cause.
Oh, he did. OK, I was gonna ask you.
OK. It was the one, it was why I
tuned in and I got lucky 'cause as soon as I tuned in, someone
asked a question and he's, Davidseemed pretty confident that it

(11:12):
wasn't a problem. He said he couldn't discuss it,
of course, naturally, cause of the legal situation, but he just
didn't sound like he was, didn'tsound like he was flustered
about it. I'm sure this has happened.
You know, this happened with thewith the New York Times lawsuit,
I think. So there was like, you know,
like that New York Times, I think they were implemented and

(11:33):
I forget if they were included in that with the one with
ChatGPT, but that came out as being like a nothing burger like
yeah, all right, next then nothing, nothing there.
So it's it's interesting, man, Ijust.
And this would drag on. This would drag on for a while
too. It's not like anything would
happen right away. Oh, is that an Did it make
LinkedIn top news? I don't know.

(11:57):
I don't think so. But regardless, I you're going
to see you're going to see this wave.
I wonder if you know, if you seemid journey go down for this, if
you're going to see a lot more of the studios and a lot more of
the IP holders go after people that might just start like the

(12:20):
cascading effect or this could totally be like the end of it.
It's like if it doesn't go through, how are you going to
get someone? How are you going to get?
Them, that's right, yeah, 'causelike everything's going to
change with these kind of laws anyway.
It's a, it's only a matter of time, 'cause this, I mean, what
we're going through is some, it's of massive scale that
systemically we're not prepared for from a guardrail regulation

(12:43):
standpoint. I think there are so many
different variables that enter the mix with AI and historically
what, you know, kind of like copyright means and IP means and
all these, you know, So I, I just think like all of that's
going to have to evolve. Maybe this feels like also a
grasp at trying to take advantage of what you've already

(13:04):
set up, you know, from a protection standpoint to try to
benefit from it in some way. And like, to your point, right,
like if this falls and then whatelse are we doing here?
You know? Yeah.
So if you can't have a better case honestly than if you're,
you know, Universal and Disney right now for you know,
everyone's generating the IP, it's pretty obvious, right?

(13:26):
But again, if it fails and it doesn't go through and like they
lose, then who else? Like who else can you get 'cause
if it's, if it's not mid journey, you know, Google's
obviously not getting taken down.
Open AI is not getting taken down.
Open AI is in bed with, you know, probably the government at
this point. So it's like, all right, just

(13:49):
let it ride then. Which was interesting.
I saw there was a in the not to get too legal and political on
this show. But I did see in one of the new
bill, the bills that was trying to get passed through Congress,
they snuck in in like there's one little section amongst like
probably 98 pages of other stuffwas like you get like at a

(14:11):
federal level, we're not going to be able to like they don't
want to regulate AI for the next10 years.
So it's basically just like, do what you want for the next 10
years. And that was that was
interesting to me where it's just like, oh, slide that one
right in. It's.
Oh shit. But yeah, this is oh, is that
the whole lawsuit or is that the?
Whole thing? Yeah, this is the whole thing
right here. Interesting. 443 pages.

(14:34):
Someone had to. I wonder if they wrote that.
I wonder if they wrote that withChatGPT.
Right. Yeah, let me just feed this
right in there. Definitely checked it with
ChatGPT. I'll guarantee that they checked
they they did something now there's no way lawyers are not.
I mean, why would you not? Utilizing LLMS in some way,
shape or form to check cause 'cause one wrong word screws the
whole thing up. True, you have to be that's a

(14:59):
it's interesting, but you know, we are not we are not legal
consultants. No, we're not do not have a, no,
we're not have a stake in this game, but so.
What's what's switch what's switch yeah, let's go see this
one because because look that aside seems like we're getting
real close to this mid journey video real close yeah closer
than I thought even cause like. Actually way closer.

(15:22):
Because I mean, you know, I was listening to what they said,
right? We, I think thinking back to it
was around the end of June is when like this was being talked
about kind of halfway through June.
You know, now you've got video ranking available, right, which
allows you to just like any of the, the model updates, right,
where you can go through and pick a pair.

(15:43):
This first round specifically probably won't be very good just
going based off of historical context, the way these training
things work. Whereas I would imagine the next
training one could be, could be different, right?
That's at least that's kind of, you know, do you even just think
back to V7? That first ranking party for V7
was it was, was not V7 images. Whereas the second and third one

(16:07):
you're like, oh, there's definitely something different
about these. I think that's probably the same
thing here. So they're going to use this
opportunity with the the with the ranking to, I guess get some
really, you know, interesting feedback kind of going into the
notes here. The team is, you know, pretty,
pretty high up on this. I mean, so really fun, extremely

(16:29):
beautiful. No relax mode at launch when
this does launch possible, you know, limitations the early
standard members or megaplan users.
We talked about that, but. What was your what was your
shout out of the Canon initial reaction or First off, how many,

(16:52):
how many videos did you go through?
And then I wonder your initial reaction.
Probably haven't been through that many, maybe just like I've
probably ranked somewhere between 50 and 100, not not
many. But again, like I've, I'm going
in with that context of knowing this probably isn't exactly what
I would expect at the end. So with that said, I'm just

(17:14):
trying to kind of like take a look at what's here.
You know, I think like just looklooking at things like this,
right? Like the way this moves, right?
And just kind of like piercing together the different kind of
like movements that they've got with some of the camera shots.
You know, the variability there,the mechanics even just kind of

(17:37):
like, I guess too, when you talkabout video, right, like we're
talking about dynamic movement that we haven't experienced with
mid journey before, right? Because we were, I think we were
just talking about this on the last pod.
But you know, when you think about posing in the mechanics,
right, again, I do a lot of likechest up portrait stuff.

(17:59):
So you know, the hands and stuffrelatively easy to control.
But when you start to factor in all four limbs, or you're adding
motion to that and they're running or they're doing yoga or
they're, you know, anything where there's a little bit of
movement involved, that's where it's just kind of like that
inconsistency creeps in. How's that going to affect
video? It seems like the things I've

(18:22):
seen with the mechanics of the video so far have been pretty
good. You know, like hands look pretty
good, feet look pretty like better than just the stills,
right? So I guess I'm wondering from
like an ecosystem perspective, how this effects mid journey
overall and reverse engineering that into the stills, right?
Because once you have video and you've got some of this dynamic

(18:45):
movement and some of those things captured, how does that
then impact sort of the freeze frames of these things, you
know? And so it's interesting.
I think it's after going throughit, I, I, I don't again, I'm
trying not to make snap judgments, right?
And I see it and maybe it's justthere's, there's like a certain

(19:06):
vibe that I'm getting from it. Like I don't feel like it's
gonna win on motion, like super motion.
Like I don't think you're gonna get like super cinematic action
from it. Like fast camera movement, super
fast. Like coherent body movements
like you get with. Something like filmmaking type?
Yeah, but where I think it can win from what I've seen is what
we talked about on the last podcast, like taking being able

(19:30):
to comprehend mid journeys aesthetic and then being able to
animate it because no other tool, if you have something
super complex, a lot of times like visually it just the other
tools just don't get it. They just like they like they
like almost like compress it to something different like this
one on the left over here, like adding the hands in and keeping
the style. That's, you know, that's not

(19:51):
something you would get in a lotof other tools.
So I think there's going to be and like what I've seen from the
animated side of this, like a lot of the animations and you
know, the like something that's illustrative style or maybe like
2D and flat. Like it looks really good for
that. I don't, I don't know another
tool that does that well outsideof minimax really like this,

(20:13):
like that one on the left with the 2D flat animation there.
Like, that's really cool. Yeah, Minimax was really good at
that, is really good at that. Yeah, so it's it's interesting,
like I don't think these car shots are going to be like I'm
going to go to mid journey for that.
I might want to go to it for andthis could just this is just a
prediction. It's not how I actually think

(20:34):
it's going to, you know, not actually how I see it all
playing out. But if I'm going to say what's
going to be the best like that, having that, you know, being
able to take the style like thatone, the one that you just went
through and being able to actually utilize it.
That's that's how I see this like like them winning
immediately cause a lot of people have problems with the
like they can't get anime. Like, you know, they ask me

(20:55):
about anime. I never do anime.
So like I don't know how it, I, I don't watch anime.
I'm not saying it's bad or anything, I just don't know how
it looks. So I'm like I I can't give any
advice on that, but I have a feeling this one probably going
to be more in tune with that style considering how many
people generate it and. Yeah.
And then just like the ability to like keep it in one tool.

(21:16):
Yeah, You know, like, I don't know, like when you, I guess
when you use runway now, are youusing, are you using frames?
And then, you know, going into animation at all?
I wonder how many people are actually using.
I guess my my question and my point is, I wonder how many
people are using both frames andthen taking that into video with

(21:37):
runway because like frames isn'tthat bad.
I like frames a lot. Like frames, frames can be
pretty good. And in fact, there are some
things frames does right now. It's way better than mid journey
something. Yeah.
And like more complex scenes even and like certain objects
even like I, I like when I was doing that whole and still am I

(21:59):
guess ongoing priest nun doing weird stuff.
You know I get better results inframes.
Yeah, coherence wise it's betterlike.
Yeah, coherence. Like even with something like a
like a nun and a flamethrower, for whatever reason, I couldn't
get a flamethrower, like a, a good looking flamethrower with a

(22:21):
nun in mid Journey. I had to take that over to
frames. Got it right away, you know, and
so they're just some of those like obstacles you couldn't,
just couldn't do. But like, yeah, this brings it
all kind of into one place. We, we all have so many good
images of mid Journey. We probably just want to animate
right here and there. Yeah, I'd go back.
I'd probably go back to like. I'd go back. 5-6 and find all

(22:42):
like the fun stuff and like put that to use again, like I don't
know the one the one question isanswered.
I think personally from my side,is it going to be able to take
its own style and animate it because we have that such a
broad range of aesthetic with mid journey that no other tool
has. So it's it looks like it's going
to be able to do most things, which is probably the biggest,

(23:05):
the biggest benefit because that's where the differentiation
is. There's no other tool that
really can handle some of the more extreme stuff, do you
think? Do you think?
I, I wonder, God, are we going to have to wait for V8 in order
to take advantage of things like, you know, with video,
we're going to get in, in these different shots that take place.

(23:26):
We're going to get like these kind of like unique angles.
If you were to stop a video and freeze it, right?
Like will any of that be baked in?
I guess the answer is no, right?Because, you know, they've
already trained this Model 7 andthey're already talking about
8:00. Yeah, it doesn't sound like
there's any going to be much that's happening between 7:00
and 8:00, maybe A71 with minimalupdates.

(23:47):
But I don't know, like, is thereanything, I guess immediate on
the still side that benefits from this video outside of just
taking images and and animating them?
I wonder like, especially from that, like I just keep going
back to that camera angle, moving the scene kind of thing
in my mind. I forget who, I forget who I saw

(24:09):
it this week. I saw it too.
It's like the goddess batting orwhatever.
And then it was, but it was verythere's also another really
interesting one that I saw, which was like a, a way that
someone was wearing a first person like head Cam and you
were watching like from their perspective, but also the model
was rendering like a like a third person view of them also.

(24:33):
So like I'm watching for like they're recording from first
person, but the AI is generatinglike a third person view of
everything they're doing, which I was like, all right, now my
mind is now, now we're in the simulation when that can be, you
know, when that can happen, right?
That and the, the, the one you're talking about that video
is, was the guy. I think it was like a guy

(24:53):
sitting in a chair talking to something.
What is that? Was it?
Damn. It was like 4D, like 4
dimensional like and then like moving the camera around the
entire scene. Let me see if I can.
See if you saved it. Bookmarked it.
I probably did, I just don't want to like comb through it
because I bookmarked so much shit.
So much specifically for stuff like this.
All right, I found it. That was quick.

(25:14):
Who is that? It's probably one of these.
Let's see, let me share my let me share.
I'll share it up. Let's see screen share screen.
All right, so it was this one, right?
Like this is the initial thing where I was like, what is going

(25:34):
on here? I have no idea, but think this
is kind of what we're going to see.
Yeah, in the future, most. Likely, yeah, soon.
And everybody's going to have itjust like, you know, I would
imagine this is also going to belike one of those things that
everybody's going to have. Yeah, and you know, then again,
the talent comes back into the mix of how you utilize it when
you can do anything. Oh, see a little head head poke

(25:55):
out back there. Hold on, what was that?
Wait for it right there. Boom.
Who that? I love what it I love when it
does stuff like that. So it's so like, it's so almost
like human that it makes a mistake and does, you know, and
this is seen if we could find the one that actually has like
the so Chinese company 4D VAI. OK, that's not Yeah, for some

(26:20):
reason I thought it was somebodyelse, but that is the video that
I saw. Yeah.
And that was like, whoa, that one, that one sort of stopped me
in my tracks. Like that's what we've kind of
been asking for for a long time.And now it looks like it's
coming to life, and who knows? Who knows of how that'll be used
and how we can use this stuff. It's kind of weird.

(26:41):
I I feel like we're we're already in the simulation.
Yeah. Isn't it weird that we're in
this unchartered territory with tech and Gen.
AI with image and video and and then we're sitting here talking
on this pod about things that wethink are going to happen and
coming and then it comes it likeit like everything has come.

(27:05):
You know, it's, it's like, how is that even happening?
This is unchartered territory. It's not like we've been through
this motion before, you know? And I guess it's just like we're
either in a simulation or I think like we're just in this
great echo Chamber of US, the people that are listening to
this that are like, just like we're almost like manifesting

(27:26):
these things to life because we're the ones providing the
feedback and the observations. And like we are indirectly sort
of guiding this path forward, which is kind of cool.
Time is a flat circle. Yes, it is.
It's. All happened before.
It's all happening now. It's all happening at once,
right? It's just like that's it also
just seems so natural. It's like, OK, what did I want?
Like, I want to, I want to do this, I want to be able to

(27:48):
control this. Then it's, you know, well, if I
then you see the models and you see what the limitations like,
oh, we need it to be like 3D butalso 4D sort of to get in there
and like move it the way we wantto and like generate the scene,
but then like change the camera angle.
So you see like all the, it's all because of the steps of
development. And you just like sort of like,
all right, you know, like when we had the still images, like,

(28:10):
well, I wanted to move, right? Yeah.
Then when they moved, there was no like like movement of the
person. And it was like, all right,
cool. Then like they got that down.
But it's like, all right, now I want to control the camera, but
like, it won't listen to me. And then they introduce like
camera controls, right? Like it's always, there's always
looking at, well, what's next? I want to do this right?
Well, what if I want to start here and end here?

(28:31):
Then we add keyframes. Right.
It's just, it's crazy. Yeah, it's, it's always, it's
always interesting. Like I can control the
beginning, but I can't control the end.
How do we do that? You know, key frames, you know,
start here and here generate themiddle, right.
So it's it's the next step in evolution.
And then it's like, all right, well then, do we really want to
be creating on a 2D screen like that?

(28:51):
That's right. Yeah, that's right.
Like it's just this flat screen.It's weird.
It's going to be like, you want to be more immersive in the
creation space. Then you start to realize that
everything can be consciously created.
It's like, well, we can create asimulation when you're inside of
it and you're building it, it's like.
Yes, that's why it's like, are we really the the first ones in

(29:13):
this position in this flat circle to be here?
Like Nah, Nah anyway, we're we're we're we're yeah, we're
going too deep. We're going and we're and we're
sober too. So that's wild.
But it's weird. But I guess like, you know,
video I I don't know if they, they mentioned like an exact
timeline. Even if they did, I, I probably

(29:34):
wouldn't be totally sure on that.
We still have a long way to go. If you remember, like even with
this stuff and the ranking parties with the images, right?
Like there was a part of that that got delayed even based on
something they found really latein the game.
So I I don't know in terms of launch, but it sounds like
there's going to be this, you know, ranking party.
They did talk about a second rating party plan to focus on

(29:57):
quality preferences. Yeah, and they, they did say
initial party will potentially show wonky content to identify
what to avoid. Yeah, so so they didn't mention
that verbatim. And then video model features
only going to be image to video at launch, no text to video at
launch. But it will work with V7V6V5V4

(30:20):
and EG medium quality setting plan for balance between quality
and accessibility, not launchingat maximum res or length.
I heard 5 seconds as being the initial, yeah, video extension
features plan for post launch priority.

(30:40):
And then yeah, to to the point we kind of already talked about
preserves mid journey's distinctive style better than
text to video would. And I think like just a better
and full interpretive vision of taking a mid journey and seeing
it through to the end, right? Because even when you put that

(31:00):
in another tool, it's kind of hard for another tool to kind of
keep that feeling, that vibe exactly things changing, moving.
So yeah, I think like this is interesting and from that
perspective too, because if you create most of your images or
mid journey is your primary driver now you've got that on

(31:22):
your side too. If you're going to use it for
video, it's. Coming up, It's coming up and
I'm I still feel like it's gonnabe sort of exactly how I expect
it to be like awesome with some things, not great with others
and I don't know how much time they're gonna.
This is where where I get concerned about is like how much
time are they gonna dedicate thevideo?

(31:43):
Cuz like like are they going to start to pull resources away
from image? To go to video to.
Keep up like or is video going to, is then video going to start
to lag because it's just like, all right, not a lot of people
use this, so whatever, we'll just like have it to have.
It they they did make like in the notes we've got V8 early
development focused on better, better understanding image

(32:03):
quality, image quality. Just keep going, fix everything
else I do. Have to, I mean how much?
How much better can you make image quality?
Do you have to say the hands have been shit?
As of late, oh had they? It's annoying as hell really.
It's like I don't know what it is, I don't know if it's my P
code, I don't know if it is, andlike I hate to go back.
See like that that to me like the P code part whatever they

(32:24):
did the change that they they definitely made a change in how
that that operates. I don't if you've watched this
show, you know how I feel about my P code right now, but.
I mean and I love mine in V6. In V6.
I same dude. Same.
Loved it, loved it keep you know18,000 images ranked for it.

(32:48):
I mean, that's, that's hard to replicate, that's it's really
hard to. Diminishing returns though.
I can get through about 50 without like wanting.
To I know, I know. And when you really needed those
fast hours too, for a while, it's like, oh, OK.
Such a good attack and unlock but.
They they did say 1 interesting thing in here by the way, angle

(33:11):
changing capabilities confirmed for video model.
All right. I'm angle changing capabilities
I. Wonder if they took some of that
3D sort of mindset that they were trying to do.
Take it into, you know, take it into here.
I think it's. It's that's interesting.
Because I feel like everything'sgoing to have to be combined,

(33:33):
right? Like what they wanted to go into
that 3D sort of space, right? Like that's it has to be
combined with like everything else.
And you have to combine video into that to get the motion.
And then if you have the camera angles, being able to switch to
get to this 4D sort of where that Chinese company is like you
kind of have to have all those developments, I'm guessing in

(33:53):
some way shape or form from likean architecture standpoint, me
talking like I know anything about that.
Just a just a guess. Special special potential for
music videos and artistic exploration.
All right. I mean, I, I really want to know
what they, what they built, whatthey built this on, if it was,

(34:13):
if it was Juan or something elselike that.
Big feet. I don't know how they did it,
but impressive. Yeah, yeah, I'm impressed.
So not gonna. Post Smoke but.
Couple weeks away, yeah, probably, you know on that.
But when that happens, yeah, I mean, I think we're we're

(34:34):
probably going to be broke immediately when that happens.
Just add it. To add it to the bill, yeah, I.
Got to figure out what's going on with that.
Now we do have something coming before that.
So they they did talk about the style reference or S ref update,
the system update. So today's Friday office hours
was on Wednesday. They talked about they're

(34:55):
attempting to release that this week and they said possibly
tomorrow. So that was on Wednesday.
Didn't happen yesterday unless Icompletely snoozed on that and I
don't think I did and I haven't heard anything yet today.
So this could be something that happens over the weekend.
Could it happen on Monday? But that's going to break the
previous FS ref code, so users must use Dash Dash SV4 or Dash

(35:19):
Dash SV5 for old codes. New features include S ref
random and improve mood board functionality, URL handlingly
URL handling significantly improved S ref URLs will work
much better. And here was the part that I was
mentioned before. We hit record expected to be a

(35:42):
well received expected to be well received as a slam dunk
quote UN quote release. Well, it is an excellent feature
and still my one of my favorites.
I mean, still my I was, I was yeah.
I was burning hours today tryingto just unlock different S refs
that I'll probably never use. It's.

(36:02):
Just fun to. Do it just guys.
Treasure hunt. It's totally like the the Candy
Crush of mid journey. You know, like like addicting.
Yeah, it is. Play with it and just to like
keep hitting the button. But it, it's a, I'm interested
'cause I, I, you know, SRFSRF&S referendum.
I just think it's always been myfavorite sort of thing since

(36:23):
they released it, 'cause it's what we want to do is just like
sort of play with styles and really go and push the envelope.
And I'm just like, how much better does it get?
Like I don't know, like what howif mood board function improves
awesome. Like that's cool.
I like that a lot. I feel like that's that's still
an opportunity for them. I mean, that never got to a
place where it felt like it was at a elite level.

(36:46):
It was good, but then you had V7drop and then it took a step
back, right And then. I thought mood boards work
better now, as weird as that sounds.
The ones that are in V6 with V7.I don't know why, but I I really
like. Maybe I need to play with that
some more. I I used, I I've been creating a

(37:07):
few as of late and they're just like, this is sick.
Like I don't know why it works so well now.
Like when it first came out. Remember how difficult it was?
Yeah, sort of. Yeah, it was like finicky.
Yeah. And it wasn't, it was producing
soft, like it wasn't producing like with detail, like it was a
lot sort of like everything got like a little bit felt like it
was going back into like V6 versus V6 one.

(37:29):
And yeah, now I feel like it's great.
Works on everything. And I'm like, this is this is
great. Let's keep, let's keep going
with this, you know, keep pushing.
This is the things that I like them to work on.
Video rating Party Round 2. Tonight or today?
Just happened. I just saw the announcement here
on. Click it.

(37:50):
Yeah. Let's.
Yeah, let's. Let's take a look at this in
real time. We've made a second batch.
These are even more wonky and messed up.
All right, cool. So it turns out that as we give
the model more freedom to do badthings, it also broadened its
ability to learn the the widest possible range of beauty.

(38:12):
Same link as before. Let.
Me see what's interesting does any other and I might I'm just
ignorant because I don't really follow any other company this
this like religiously. Does anyone else tell you when
they're training their models, how they're training them?
Like that's an interesting fact.Like let's make it, let's make
it go super, you know, give it the freedom to to mess up so

(38:36):
that it has like a creative sortof.
I don't think so, right? I mean, like, I'm not, I'm not
going to sit here and pretend I'm on all these other calls,
but one mid journey does this weekly.
No one else is doing this weekly.
And even if they, yeah, I don't,probably not, man, because if
you're not doing it weekly, thatnews would already be old news
like you wouldn't be something that you would bring up

(38:57):
probably. Yeah, I think it's it's
interesting like. So these are meant to be more
wonky. Like I again, these like already
look different from what I ratedthe other day.
Interesting. Yeah.
So I wonder if that's what actually when we were doing this
though, if that's what we were looking at too when we were
going through because this this was a couple hours ago.

(39:21):
It looks like that they they posted that.
Interesting because it's definitely some of this stuff
that I've seen There was some there was a few ones that I was
really blown away with and therewas a bunch that I was just like
whatever, seen million things that look like this.
So yeah, it's like you don't know what's on, you don't know

(39:42):
what to, you don't know where tolike sort of lay your opinion on
this. But dude, since it new new game,
I mean, you know, just throw it into the mix of like 75 other
tools that we were trying and testing and playing with at all
times 'cause this, this does notend.
This does not end and it does not.

(40:04):
We'll get that. All right, That's pretty good.
That was, yeah, I was gonna say that's pretty wild.
Like that one on the right? That one's all right.
I see you. I wouldn't call these wonky.
I'd call them decent and it's like weird, like I don't know if
you've noticed there's typicallywhen they're when the two images

(40:25):
are or the two videos are very the same.
One has subtle motion, one has alot more motion.
I have not noticed that yet. All right, so like this one you
see like 1's got way more actionthan the other one, the one on
the right. But when they do like 2 of the
same, like you just pass the river, the one was like really
still and the other one was likereally fast.

(40:46):
That's a boat made of cheese. All right.
Didn't think I could say that ona podcast.
But see like see how one is still and one has a lot more
motion like this one on the right still the one on the left
motion like I don't know what they're what they're trying to
do with that. Yeah, exactly.
Yeah, I don't know if what what that means in terms of
preference for people or like training the model or how that

(41:07):
actually affects the outputs, but I've I've noticed that when
you're ranking but. Gonna be gonna be interesting.
Yes Sir, like that, but do we got a bunch of other updates?
Yeah, I was going to say let's get let's get into let's get
into the other stuff here because we're on the back, back
nine. Why don't you why don't you TS
up? I think we think we wanted to

(41:28):
get into runway a little bit, right want.
To get into runway, let's take alook at what's what Topaz
dropped because I think this is something that everyone's been
looking for for a long time. Is the Topaz dropped?
It's called Astra, which is their video creative creative
video upscaler. So I'll show this here.

(41:48):
Let me go to. Now we did a, you know, last
week too, One of the things thatwe were looking at was that
Topaz upscaler. Is this an update since then?
So this is a different one. OK, now this is a different one,
right? This is basically built on top
of starlit. Starlight was their original
creative like diffusion model toupscale video.

(42:10):
Now they've taken it a little bit further, so like depending
on sort of a few different factors, right like if we browse
files, let me see if I can find a a video here let's see all
right so put a video in you can go through now and there's
instead of just like Starlight was just basically one option

(42:32):
just upscale 4 or 1080P or 4K. This actually adds, this
actually adds detail. So it's not just like upscaling
the video, it's upscaling the detail.
So you have the options here forprecise or creative, right?
Precise is going to be closer tothe image.
Creative, it's going to add moredetail.

(42:53):
If you're subtle and bold for creative, you can go, you know,
bold might add a lot of things. It's very similar.
It's basically magnific for for video.
I still think it has its issues where it's it softens things out
a lot, but it definitely adds a ton of detail.
So if you look at something likethis, right, But you can see and

(43:13):
of course it's. Change.
Render weird right now. So you can see the difference
like between that's the upscaledversion that's original, but
it's really crazy when you zoom in and you see the difference
like from that to that. Like I said, still looks a
little soft to me, but like that's her face and then that's

(43:34):
the detail, like the difference in the hair, like the fine grain
in the hair. Her teeth look very weird.
I'm zoomed in really far, but for for something in this space
that we've been looking for and asking for, it's nice to.
You know what I noticed? Small thing but like this seems
to be a case on almost every tool I've seen when it comes to

(43:56):
faces. And these like perfect example,
these deep lines on the forehead, they're always too
sharp. The lines are too sharp.
It's it's too sharp. You know what I mean?
It like it, it definitely looks better than the fuzzy, but they
need to add some softness to that.
That's one of the dead giveawaystoo.

(44:16):
Right now. I would say just in in the
images that I see, it's like, brah, the the fucking lines on
the forehead, they're just too crisp.
You know what I mean? Like.
Yeah, even when you look at this, when you look at her, her
blazer, right, like just adding the wrinkles, though, gives it
so much more. Yeah, right.
Like there's little things that we're gonna get to, like the,

(44:38):
you know, the shadow on her headsort of disappears, though,
which is kind of annoying. Like the shadow from her hair
right there. There's like little things that
it doesn't pick up on. But like, if this is on a mobile
format, right, you start thinking about it like that.
It just looks so much better at this size than it does, you
know, big screen here you go right up in your face.

(44:58):
Like I can see all the faults. So still think we got a little
bit of a way to go. There's some really, really good
ones, you know, specifically like you can see a lot of it
here. Of course, it's going to give me
like a very not perfect view of this right now, which is when
when we're doing this live. Let's see if this one's better.

(45:18):
Yeah, you can see here like the the difference in the car.
Right. I think it's very.
Different and like even just theroad and the outer quality of it
right like this one maybe you went over this on last video but
this was this was done with Astra instead of Starlight and
then even the up here like you can see the big difference on

(45:39):
those lights so it's you know moving in the direction I think
it's a big step forward and I think that we have wanted it and
asked for it like why can't there just be a magnific for
video here we go it's it's coming they're working on it and
I hope it's I hope it's gets a little bit better 'cause once
they start adding that crisp detail to.
What's going on with Magnific lately?

(46:01):
I don't know. Been quiet much of them, like
they were rolling for a while. Like I mean like in terms of
like pushing updates constantly.Yeah, I don't know, Free pick,
Freepic owns them. So whoever, whatever Freepic's
doing, I've always just been like, there's still no tool that
to me that kind of can do what it can do that.
I'm sure anyone who's on here that's using Comfy UI, you're

(46:23):
like, yeah, there's like a million open source ones.
I'm I'm sure there are. But for the average consumer
that's looking to, you know, do this stuff and not engineer
software in Comfy, that is no shot at Comfy users.
You guys are geniuses. Me, I'm a nerd, but I'm not
that. I'm not that big of a nerd.
Yeah, I like it. Too nerdy for me.

(46:44):
I like it. It's just you have to be
dedicated. You have to be dedicated to do
it. So that one was a good one.
The other one we saw was, you know, for getting the runway
Korea, I don't know if you saw this, it launched their launch,
their new image generator first,first like propriet, not
proprietary, whatever you want to call it first like self built

(47:04):
image generator. It's good, super fast, super
cheap. You can train Laura's on it on
Korea's website. I like it.
I think it's good if you're a Korea fan.
Just another tool to add to the tool belt.
So I don't think, I don't think much is worth talking about
there other than it can do things and it's good and it's
like nice to have within the Korea environment.

(47:27):
I don't think it's going to be like mind blowing in terms of
like a differentiator versus anything else other than it's
nice to train models on. But that's just to keep everyone
in the loop on some of these things.
If you are a Korea subscriber, go check it out because it's,
it's decent. But it's, you know.
Yeah, they, I mean, and they, I mean they, they did something

(47:48):
too with that that enhancement feature that they have similar
to magnificent. Like they made a huge.
I haven't played with it, but because I've using tail pads,
I've got yeah, I've got magnificjust the full thing for the
still. So I don't really go in here,
but that would be interesting. Because Topaz.
Topaz also released a new like image upscaler.

(48:13):
Faye is Faye's very, very chattythis afternoon.
We we missed Faye. I know she's, I've been trying
to do it while she's napping, but she's she's rowdy.
Right now they didn't. Well, maybe they didn't change
too much so. But there's there's a new what
is the Topaz creative upscaler called Topaz Image Create.
It's called like Bob, but it starts to be what is it called

(48:41):
Bloom? That's it.
It's a new one called Bloom. I don't know if that if they've
open sourced that, but you can get decent detail like I, I, I
played around with it. It's good.
It's kind of like Magnific, not as I don't think it's as
controllable as Magnific, but still another option.
Yeah. So should we jump into?

(49:03):
Should we jump into runway? Yeah, jump in the runway.
All right, let. Me.
I'll share this up so Runway gota little bit of an update.
Now we'll also jump into this bad boy.
I was playing playing with our thumbnail.
From last week people. People loving the thumbnail.

(49:23):
Hey, man. We're going to go that
direction. We.
Might as well do it when you open up runway now, or at least
this is for you know, we're in the creator creative partner
program there. So this is kind of how the new
interface. So when you open up, you can get
right into a just a chat feature, right?
It's like totally different. So I was like, this is this is

(49:44):
kind of a cool idea 'cause this is what I liked about ChatGPT
was like being able to sort of like edit in convo instead of
having to like retype the whole prompt edit the middle piece.
Like this is a nice little, you know, nice little adjustment.
So, you know, you can do certainthings.
Let's just let's just test it live.
You know, we'll drop, we'll dropDrew in here.

(50:06):
I'm curious, are you finding? Yourself, I know for me doing
more of the voice prompting withwith ChatGPT at this point now
than than text prompting like what I mean by that?
Yeah, but I mean what about desktop though?
Even desktop? No, I don't.

(50:26):
I don't know. Think I can think better when I
type I, I I definitely can think.
Better, I would say like it's definitely two different types
of muscles for sure, because I can't articulate quite as
clearly as I could in as I do inwriting.
That said, I can also like throwa bunch more just shit in there

(50:49):
and it kind of figures it out too at the same time, like so I
feel like like contextually I can, I can do a little bit of a
better job with the voice, but it's just it's it's faster,
right? I mean, that's that's the the
benefit. I mean, typing all that
sometimes is exhausting, especially if you're using these
tools like non-stop throughout the day like we are.
I've just I've found myself justdoing more and more of the voice

(51:10):
prompting now. I even got like this nice little
GPT. It's like this little it's a
little nothing GPT, but it's I use it all the time.
So basically what I'll do is I'll talk into Chachi BT and
then just instantly puts it downto this nice tight distilled
version that I use for like all my emails and slacks that

(51:31):
require contacts. Now, you know, it's just like,
because why am I going to spend 15 minutes like, because I'm a
slow writer. I love to write, but I'm very
methodical in my writing. And so like, this is a great way
to kind of like, hey, you know, my, my style of writing.
I'm just going to talk. You're going to consolidate,
distill it down and it's going to put into a nice linear

(51:52):
logical flow, whereas my mind will sometimes bounce around.
So I've been using the hell out of that thing.
I like it. I.
I'm I'm a typer. To think like I I type and think
at the same time so I can organize my thought the right
way. But when it's on mobile, 100%
voice, I just I cannot sit thereand type on my phone.
I I hate the phone like typing on there.

(52:13):
It's just like my fingers are too fat.
I know it's never been a great. Experience.
It's never been good. Always typos.
Whatever, but this is so back to, you know, this little chat
feature here. It's pretty good because you can
just take like you can use runway references within this,
right? Like I can also just be like,
you know what's what's bring, what's bring me into this?

(52:36):
Now it's going to be like, you know what?
Add add this guy. To the add this exact got Luna
running underneath me and face screaming in the background.
Add this exact character to the image with the initial character

(52:57):
in one by one. Let's see So like you can just
sort of get in here and just talk, which I like, which I like
it's it's so much more interactive and sometimes you
can be all right, like, you know, go back and do this like
I'll actually make it look more like this person.
It's just a little bit more, a little bit more interactive and

(53:19):
then being able to utilize all their features within chat is
just very cool to me. So you know, I've been playing
around with this. There's a lot of demo videos out
there right now, but I think this one's pretty damn, pretty
damn good for what it what it's been.
You know, we're doing very basicstuff here.
Everyone. Once this thing actually
renders, we'll just be like, youknow, let's let's do a video of

(53:39):
these two talking to each other because that's what we do on
this damn show. We talk to each other, by the
way, while we're waiting for this.
Yeah guys, 20K20K Subs. Man. 20K Subs Thank you
everyone. I mean, you're still.
Here too, still listening right now deep into it about what,

(54:02):
40-50 minutes? Yeah, we kind of, we kind of
buried. The lead there, But that was
fun. Man, that was good to see.
Yeah, let's see if you can create a.
Video of them talking to each other in an animated fashion.
You know what too? Like video here.
You know so. Made that.

(54:22):
Post about that yesterday with the 20 K Subs even even just
some of the comments that I saw on there I I just I.
Guess I just don't under the understand the full.
Scope of how many people like who listens to this cause like
I'm seeing names and I'm like OKlike I've never seen your name
ever and I guess you've been rocking with this show for a

(54:43):
while you know like that's that's such a cool feeling you
know what I mean yes Sir and we appreciate.
Everyone who does, we appreciatethe feedback, we appreciate the
ideas, we appreciate the recommendations, all of it.
Because we're just, we're just winging it.
We're just going by, you know what I mean?
Pure vibes. Pure vibes on what's.
Going on Vibe Pod, this is Vibe podcasting.

(55:04):
In full field, yeah. Vibe Podcasting I hate to use.
Like that, like that terminology.
But that's what this is like I. Mean this is minimal viable
podcasting. This is an MVA.
That's exactly what this. This is.
It's a good name. We show up, we do the podcast,
we quickly upload this thing andthat's it.

(55:26):
And but it's fun. Like it's the best hour.
It's the best hour of the week, Yeah.
And we just get to recap. Everything because I think
there's so much that we need to sort of organize in our own
heads too about what's going on and what to talk about and like
where people care and you guys giving us feedback on what you
care about also and what you want to hear also.
Like, you know, try to make thislike a mid journey sort of model

(55:46):
here, like what the community wedid.
We'll just talk about whatever that is.
We'll do our research. We'll bring on who you guys are
looking to, you know who you guys want us to bring on.
So anyone here again, that's still at this point.
Thank you. Also like and subscribe like
yeah, share it with a friend just in case you made it 50. 6
minutes in and you haven't subscribed yet?

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That's right, you're just hit the.
Like button something, anything,drop a comment, you know, say,
say, you know, this, this picture of us is is goofy.
I don't care whatever it is. But this is the one thing that I
have noticed going back to the runway stuff is that it is so
much slower than regular runway.It feels like I'm using ChatGPT

(56:29):
where it's that's kind of that'sthat is kind of a bummer.
Though I mean, obviously it'll speed up at some point, but
because like runway, like turbo.Even Gen. 4 or Gen. 4 Turbo does
not take this one. This is, this is slow for Runway
and I always, I've always appreciated Runway's turbo
models 'cause you can just get through iterations fast and it's
like, OK, does this work? Does this work?

(56:50):
Does. This work.
No, but no like here. This feels like ChatGPT is is
when you're like rendering. I agree.
I I do like that there. Is like something really nice
about that, that turbo kind of functionality in general, 'cause
then it's like, you know, you know, you're not gonna get this
pristine consistency with where we're at right now.

(57:12):
So it's nice to have like maybe 20 to 30 generations and you can
really just cherry pick the bestone to three that you really
like. You know what I mean?
Like, there's something cool about just doing that.
Yeah, if you're iterating prompts too.
Like the one that works the bestwith the fast model is most
likely and the turbo models mostlikely going to work with the
high quality models and just, you know, flip it to that on the

(57:33):
same prompt. So like little things like that.
That's how I use VO a lot of thetime, you know, use the fast
model or I'll use VO2 to sort oftest concepts to see if like
something's a little bit more extreme, you know, and it might,
this might not work. Instead of burning AVO 3 credit,
which is like half of my, you know, half feels like $100 a
generation cost you a knuckle. Yeah, not for the.

(57:55):
People out there that say. We shill and get this stuff for
free. I wish, I wish.
VO is for free. Let's see if they gave us some.
All right, so now they have us talking like we did this all in
the wood in the window. Granted, it shouldn't have taken
the 10 minutes that we're on here, but like, it's cool to
just be able to take this picture of Drew and then just be
like, all right, put us in the same image and now have us
talking like, yeah, yeah, sure you can.

(58:16):
Get much more creative. Than this, you know, it's it's I
don't know if it's the way that it's moving, but it feels like a
lot of people are liking this and I think it's very beginner
friendly a very, you know, sort of like a less intuitive less
like prompt craft involved less feature function involved more
just like do this and watch and execute.

(58:38):
So you know, if you haven't played around with it, I would
definitely say give it a shot. There's some cool stuff like
runaway references to me on the image side.
I've been using it a lot more. I like it.
I like it a lot. It's very good.
I think it's got a little bit, Ithink it's a little bit more
intuitive than flux context. I like flux context.

(59:01):
I just think it. Runway references brings it a.
Little bit more micro detail andkeeps things a little bit closer
to the reference images. Yeah.
That being said, it depends on the image, right?
Like if you want to do a sneaker, both are going to do it
great. It's like when you have like a
character with details and otherthings, that's when it starts to
get a little bit, a little bit like case, case by case
specific, you know, runway softens things.

(59:23):
Out a little bit. In its own way, flux can maybe
overcompensate on on the textureside with that as well.
Just depends. Oh for the also little hack for
everyone. I don't know.
Little hacks, I don't know if anyone.
Else. Has this issue with the ChatGPT
image generator or Sora image generator?

(59:44):
Do you notice how like all the outputs have a yellow hue?
Yeah. Oh, yeah, Yeah, we talked about
this, Yeah. It's it.
Do you ever tell it to turn downthe yellow hue?
Oh, I well, I haven't in a while.
But when it when I first starteddoing that.
Yeah. And it doesn't listen to you.
Oh, really? It's been, it's been listening
to me. Oh, it's listening to you.
Yeah, I. It's been a while since I asked

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that, but when I did 'cause I was basically, I think this was
going back to when I was generating these, these icons,
if I remember correctly. And this was before I was doing,
you know, would have done the Jason approach or whatever, but
I was just like, hey, this exactstyle boom.
But I noticed it started gettingmore and more warm.
And I'm like, then I started in the instructions, like every

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single prompt where I was like, and you know, like remove the
like tone down, you know, the, the image is too warm.
I can't remember exactly what I said, but I mean it was very
clear what I was trying to communicate and Nah, Nah, Nah
Nah. So I did it with this first one
was just like just love that. By the way, dude, that's got.

(01:00:46):
It I feel like that's got to be the cover image for this, for
the that's got to be the phone, bro.
That's a. It's a good one 'cause then I I.
Said to it, I'm like. Turn down the yellow hue like
specifically, I was like just redo this image, you know, add
the add the nose ring that you didn't add in and then turn down
the yellow hue and it was like, OK, it's like there's no yellow
in this image. I'm like sick.

(01:01:08):
Thank you, 'cause everything looks like this, right?
Like you go on the if you go on the Sora, you know like the Sora
home page and you scroll, it's just like yellow and green hue
on everything. And I don't it's like how mid
journey makes your yeah, it's cool.
Blue and pink, right? Like.
The explore page, if we go, it'slike it's so much yellow, like

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yellow, like this has a yellow hue.
This has a yellow hue. You know, so much of it is so
warm. And it's like nothing.
Unless you prompt for blue and cool, you just get yellow.
I mean, even like the images that I do, I just like like, why
is this so green and yellow? I know that there's not.
Let's see if this prompt OK, make her ablation.

(01:01:51):
That's not I wasn't expecting that, but you know, again,
yellow, yellow, green, like yellow, green, definitely yellow
green on the cat. It's just, it's annoying 'cause
it's it's very good in certain instances, but I just, I don't,
but I do like that. That feel.

(01:02:13):
Better than the cool feel. I always, I've always loved
yellow and. Green more than the.
Blue and the pink, I mean. Interesting.
Yeah, yeah. Well, I guess yes, I, I don't
disagree with you there. I'd rather I'd, you know, I'd
take black and white, but I think it's like, I don't get how
can like, how can these things be so skewed though?

(01:02:35):
Like how can something like thisbe so yellow and green?
Regardless, this is just a pet pet peeve of mine.
So yeah, no, it's, I mean, it's a pet peeve.
It's a pet peeve of mine too. Like also, why can't that be?
Well yeah, never mind. I mean I.
Mean, I was going to say, I mean, technically you could.
Achieve that right with there. I mean, there's so much that you
can achieve just with text prompting, but I'm just saying

(01:02:56):
like maybe maybe that's just like a quick selection too,
yeah. White balance or?
Something, you know, I I mean just I don't know, I thought it
was interesting. I saw something with I can't
remember if this was in the likeidea leaderboard thing or this
came up in office hours or whereI saw this, but it was almost

(01:03:18):
like should we? Maybe it was like a.
Discord question. Should we keep?
Like pursuing. Like, should we pursue ourselves
as like almost like a Photoshop?Like move closer to like a
Photoshop replacement kind of thing.
I can't remember how they said it, but I was like, oh,
interesting, interesting. I don't know like.

(01:03:42):
The tool Weevie that I've been working with that feels like a
Photoshop replacement, like I'vebeen doing our thumbnails on
Weevie and Figma and like I don't even touch up like
Photoshop anymore because I can do a lot of the things that I
needed to do on Photoshop. But you can even open up like a
Photoshop style browsing window within Weevie.
Like it has the same functionalities.

(01:04:03):
I've got what's called Protopia or something like that.
But you know, I can compose in layers in weevie.
I can I can remove backgrounds like I've done our last couple
thumbnails just straight out of weevie.
But the other thing that's nice in weevie is it has relight,
which is like the the magnific feature, which can basically, if

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you have like a stacked layered image and you want to like make
it all sort of congruent and then make it all sort of
flattened out, but all the lighting be consistent.
It it's a great tool for that. It makes everything you know, I
could say, like make the light come from the left and like it
changes everything in the image to make the light look like it's
coming from the left, which is great.
So there's, you know, weevie is like my, is my sick addiction at

(01:04:48):
the moment outside of, you know,mid journey and VO, but weevie
just playing with it and just like seeing the creative
potential. It's the worst thing that's ever
happened to me because I just there's so many things I want to
do with it, so many things I want to try and it's like, where
do I where does it end? Where do I stop?
I kind of miss the days of like I can just create an image,

(01:05:08):
right? Like it was like that was not
easy because now your mind doesn't.
Turn off. Yeah, it's bad.
You're you're. A Yeah, yeah, I know.
I know how you work now. Like, dude, your mind doesn't
shut off either. I mean, I, I think like our
minds do the same thing but in different ways.
But that's definitely I can see you struggling with that

(01:05:30):
constantly. You you literally can't turn it
off. And then it's like, well, I have
to, I have to make. A post today or something, you
know, like I have to I have to go post on X or something to
keep the keep the algorithm juiced to keep everything going
right. And it's like, do I go to do I
go to VO? Do I go to runway?
Do I go to do I go to Topaz to go to mid journey just like

(01:05:50):
sitting there? Like should I do ads?
Should I do like a story? Should I do like a a Bigfoot
vlog video, which if anyone hasn't seen those, you know,
shout out to whoever started that trend because that first
one was incredible. That big.
Do you see that one? You know, it blows up the the
campsite by putting dynamite in the fire.
Yeah, genius. So.
Good. So good, you know, pay a brand,

(01:06:13):
pay an agency like $600,000 and they come up with a viral piece
of content. That's what I'm saying.
I mean like they're I. Mean if nothing else, right,
like this changes the game like it you could debate all day
about the filmmaking stuff and the the all the things there.
But it like even just from from that standpoint of just creating
content, creating imperfect content even as is, right?

(01:06:35):
Like those things can work and always will be moving forward.
New ways to generate things thatdon't have to cost 5-6 figures,
you know, to put together. Yeah, Yeah.
There's. I don't know if.
I don't know if you saw the. I don't know if you saw the.
Thing that Google. Shared today It's like a super

(01:06:57):
professional. It was today.
No, I haven't seen it. There was AI want to see if.
I can if I have it here. It was.
It was a hybrid film that was made with VO.
I believe it's VO3 and, and liketraditional filmmaking and it's
incredible. I one of the best things I've
ever seen. I was not best thing I've ever

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seen, but one of the best uses of AI I've ever seen.
Like if I'm going to share it here just to to show everyone,
but it was really impressive theway they did it.
There's also like a supplementalsort of like podcast where they
go through and tell you how theysort of integrated AI into all
this. But if I go through here, like
you'll see some of the stuff that's it looks realistic.

(01:07:43):
I mean like some stuff and some of the AI scenes are incredible.
You know, they have they can getto the where is it, but they use
it in the right way. You know what I mean?
It's like used integrated into the movie in a very seamless way
or the into the short film. That's a great.
That's another good call. Out though, right?
Like it doesn't have to fully replace anything supplementary

(01:08:09):
totally. Anything.
I mean like even doing some of this you can.
Tell like where the images were generated.
Then we did like some sort of retexturing and or image to
image or sketch to image like this scene specifically, right.
Like I'm pretty sure majority ofthis is AI now, You know, we
could probably drop this this link in the comments if anyone's

(01:08:31):
interested in watching this. It's just it's professional
quality. Yeah.
This isn't like fan art. This isn't, you know, it's
someone who did a spec commercial for Nike.
This is like professional Hollywood people using the
tools, using real actors, using,you know, the real editing, real
sound mixing, real like everything.
And it's you can see it's kind of legit.

(01:08:53):
So I think you're going to see, you know, good way for them to
bridge the gap, I think by not coming out and doing an all AI
thing, but doing a hybrid approach.
That's what I'm saying. I think that's.
Like. One of the more obvious things,
but no. One's really talking about that.
Like why? Why?
Just like with anything. Else why does it have?
To be all one way or all the other, right?

(01:09:15):
Like, you've got plenty of capabilities to just infuse the
two together. Use, you know, bring out the
best. Sides of both things.
Yeah, right. Yeah.
It's cool, man. I, I'm, I'm interested to see
how the response is at the Tribeca Film Festival.
I think it's this weekend. We'll see how it goes over.
Yeah, I'm sure you'll have a lotof articles in Variety or

(01:09:38):
whatever other magazine about it.
Well, well, hey. Man, as we as we wrap this
special. Shout out to all the dads out.
There, Happy Father's Day comingup Sunday, Happy Father's Day to
you. Didn't even think about it.
So didn't even think about it. It's a grind.
It's a grind, fellas. It's a grind.

(01:10:00):
Mad respect to anybody out therewho is a dad and who is dadding
it up because it ain't easy. Just another one of those.
Things that just gets put. On your plate and you just kind
of figure it out right? Like God damn, man.
But it's cool. It's cool.
I'm I'm I'm actually excited about it.
I think this is like the first Father's Day.
I'm like kind of jacked about because the kids are, you know,

(01:10:22):
a little bit older. They're like creating some
artwork for me. They've already kind of told me
some of the secrets that that are they've got planned for
Sunday, you know, so I like thattoday.
How was? Your How was your Father's Day
luncheon today? I mean, it was good to.
See, the kids at school, the lunch wasn't anything to write
home about. It's eating the kids like, you
know, they had like tacos, but those tacos, were they?

(01:10:45):
Were bare bones. It's like why?
Why go wrong there? Just get pizza.
I know they I think they did pizza last year.
And was like, that would have been great.
Just do the pen favorite. Just one pizza.
Ever complaints about it just even if it's bad pizza, pizza,
just eat it right? Like pizza or like chicken
wings. Like you can't.
Like you literally could not go wrong with either of those

(01:11:08):
things. People can I, I People can mess
up chicken wings. They can, but from a crowd.
Pleaser standpoint or chicken fingers maybe like chicken
tenders, like, yeah, yeah, thereyou go, kids and adults.
Because like chicken wings, man,don't even give me a start on
that. They got to be crispy.
I don't want I don't want too much meat on the bone.
Like it's got to be like a good chicken wing.
Like I'm not trying to have a whole chicken sandwich on the

(01:11:30):
bone. And I also don't want it to be
soft and soggy like it that's tobe crisp and hit.
I got I got I got standards here, brother.
I got standards for the wings. I hear you.
I just. It's just always.
Been AI feel like it's always been a tough sort of merging of
like how do you get kids to eat and adults eat and be satisfied

(01:11:51):
at the same time? Like, you know where there's the
preferences, That's why the preference happens.
Pizza's like the thing. Pizza's the thing like.
I'm a food snob but like. Give me some Domino's.
I'll eat it. Do you know what I mean?
Like it's not. There's really nothing thin
crust. Give me the thin crust Domino's.
I'll eat it. It's pizza.
Like, you know, I will, Yeah. Go chill for anything in Italy,

(01:12:13):
Like, you know, eat a piece of pizza there or Neapolitan.
Yeah, you're you're over here spoiled with.
The Italy stuff eaten. I'll eat that until your gut,
yeah. Man, come on, it's.
Better than anything. And then like, you know.
When it's if I'm just out there and someone's got Domino's, what
am I going to say? No, no, I don't do that.
It's like, yeah, I'll eat the pizza, chicken wings.
I do hear you on the soggies. Don't hate that.

(01:12:34):
You got to be got to be a little.
I mean, just had to get that in there.
Had to throw. That in there because yeah,
that's. That's how we that's how we roll
on mid journey fast hours man that lawsuit hits we're.
Just going to have to shorten itdown to fast hours.
Damn, you're right. I think people have been people

(01:12:55):
did suggest that they're like the name Fast Hours still sticks
though. They're like, it's a good, it's
a good branding. That's like, well, that's all.
Yeah, that's all. I don't.
Know how we can I think I. Think.
Chad GBT helped us out with thatone but I can't remember legit
though either way perfectly. Branded either way, like and
subscribe. You already said it, so I'm just
echoing your statement and please, we'll catch you guys

(01:13:17):
next week on the next one. Maybe we'll have some S ref
stuff to to dip into. Yeah, maybe we'll do demo next
week. Maybe we'll do guest, maybe
we'll do something. We'll see what we got, you know,
in the mix. A lot of these things have been
sort of like coming out like that rapid pace, just like, you
know, Spitfire. So regardless, I'm sure we'll
have something to talk about next week.

(01:13:37):
But dude, as always, have an have a good, have a good
weekend, enjoy your Father's Dayand then I guess we'll get
rolling on this stuff again nextweek.
Likewise man, good to see you. See you.
See you guys next week. Peace.