June 10, 2024 • 30 mins
Ever wondered how AI can revolutionize entrepreneurship? As we chat with Tushar Kulkarni from Big Kitty Labs about their groundbreaking dual focus on software and physical product development, prepare to be inspired. Tushar shares a new projet that is an "AI Playground" for entreprenuers. This new initiative promises to democratize AI experimentation, breaking down financial barriers and fostering a fertile ground for creativity and innovation is a collaborative effort between government and industry. With the potential for expansion to cities like Cincinnati and an exciting beta testing phase on the horizon, this episode is jam-packed with insights and opportunities for anyone passionate about AI and entrepreneurship.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Time to hustle America, Roll up our sleeves and
make dreams happen.
Midwest Momentum brings youstories of CEOs, startups,
product development and foundersdoing whatever it takes to make
their big idea happen.
Midwest Momentum is supportedby Big Kitty Labs and produced
by GNR Media.
(00:20):
Here's Midwest Momentum host,Michelle Gatchel.
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We have another great episode of Midwest Momentum
today.
I have a great guest, tasharKulkarni, and he is with Big
Kitty Labs.
Hey, tashar, thanks for joiningme.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thanks for inviting me.
Thanks for having me over,michelle.
Yeah, you guys do amazing work,uh like cover so many good
topics and wonderfulentrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So glad to be here so let's tell everybody a little
bit about what big kitty labsdoes we are tinkerers.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's how I always saw ourselves.
Uh, we, we're constantly,constantly designing and
developing fun products.
Now again, you also have thebusiness aspect, so you have to
do a lot of other stuff thathelps to build bigger businesses
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.
So on one side we have our ownproducts that are ideas or pain
points we are trying to solve indifferent domains, and on the
other side of the company wework with different friends,
clients to build innovativesolutions.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
To help their businesses keep going.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, absolutely, and so for years I have been part
of this journey and for 14, 15years I've been doing this, Me
and our entire team.
We have gained that experiencein different domains and
building all sorts of products,and so we try to leverage that
with our client solutions tohelp them gain a competitive
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edge or, you know like, scaletheir business.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
In software and apps.
Is that the area?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
That's mostly the area, but we also manifest
design and manifest somephysical products with some
friends.
So over the years we have madea lot of friends where they have
complementary skills and wework with them, and so we don't
really manufacture anyelectronics ourselves, but we
have really close friends whoare entrepreneurs like us and so
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we pair up with them andbrainstorm and design and build
and we do the software part andthey do the hardware part.
Yeah, we have ourselves, as wespeak, a couple of really cool
physical products in the making.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, that's kind of fun.
I didn't even know you didphysical products.
Yeah, yeah, we do we do.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They're not as common as the software stuff that we
build, but you know there's likeit's so interesting.
As you start your journey as anentrepreneur, like once a
problem solver you're always aproblem solver.
You start seeing opportunitieseverywhere and they could be,
you know, be something where asolution already exists.
(03:08):
But once you have that itch,you constantly start dabbling
into different stuff and startdriving your friends and family
crazy.
There should be a solution forthis, there should be a solution
for that.
So, yeah, we do have somehardware products as well.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay.
So you know, as an entrepreneurand it sounds like the business
that you're in you're kind ofalways doing something new.
But I feel like thatentrepreneur spirit is kind of
like what you were talking aboutYou're looking for the
solutions, right, you're lookingfor the next.
Yeah, yeah about.
You're looking for thesolutions, right, you're looking
for the next.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, constantly looking for the next,
and that, I guess, is a goodsegue into the AI part of the
journey of BigQ Labs.
So we have always developedproducts that were kind of like
a cutting edge.
I remember us dabbling intosentiment analysis and all of
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that like 15 years ago.
I remember us doing somemachine learning like 14 years
ago and, needless to say, in thelast two years the entire
industry has pivoted around AI.
So we were already suited forthat because we had already been
doing vision stuff, machinelearning stuff, natural language
processing stuff.
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So one of the new kind ofinnovation we are doing, in
collaboration with our friendsat City of Hilliard and friends
at Converge Technologies, isbuilding an AI playground, which
I was talking about earlier.
So that is kind of a fun thingthat has gotten us excited to
build this playground wherefolks can just come in and
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innovate without having to worryabout costs, and we'll provide
them all of the tools to helpyou calculate how much money
you'll be spending as youcommercialize products and how
you will be able to scale yourproducts If you're getting the
AI side of things.
What is a quick, scalable techstack you can use.
So we're creating this entireaffordable playground for
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companies.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Because let's talk about that With AI it can be a
very expensive starter yeah,yeah and that's what stops
people that have the ideas formoving forward with those ideas
yeah, and that does happen andthat happens for um and again.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
like anything I say is not really absolute, but it's
kind of like little eggs.
So I know some folks can say,well, you can always, you always
have option to get credits, youalways have option, but but
credits you always have option.
But for the most part, whathappens is that and this
happened with us and we arepretty experienced in this area,
so we ended up spending.
So, as I said, we've alwaysbeen tinkerers, so we were
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tinkering with several AI agentsthat solved different pain
points and we racked up a billlike $30,000 in compute costs
which could have very well beenavoided.
So there's an entire debatearound like, well, you could
have done like XYZ, you couldhave put like alerts, all of
that.
So I'm not saying any of thatis not possible.
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But that's when I startedrealizing that if you're
building anything, it's justmore than hosting.
You're constantly using eitherOpenAI or any other APIs where
you're going to be payingconstantly for queries that are
being run and after the lastbuild last year I actually
mentioned we just had awonderful panel about this a
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week ago.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I saw the article in Business First, very nice.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh, thank you, and that's thanks to everyone who
made that panel successful.
So one of the things thathappened was I was talking about
this during that panel that wework closely with the Hilliard
City team.
We work closely with theConverge team.
They have their own visionproducts which you might already
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know.
They do really sophisticatedcomputer vision.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
With their company UbiHere too.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Correct, correct.
Ubihere does a lot of theirUbiVision.
It's pretty sophisticated andthey had run into similar issues
.
So as we were discussing this,I happened to mention to Dwayne
our friend Dwayne, who is a CIOof Hilliard, and Dwayne like
this is a legit problem andmaybe we can build a playground.
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That will require some hardwareto purchase, but we could
probably help on the softwareside.
It won't be as easy, but it isdoable.
And we're just brainstorming,just like every concept, right,
like you meet your friends,you're talking about it, like,
yeah, this should exist, why not?
This should exist.
And next thing, you know, likeyou know, this is what I love
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about the tech ecosystem thatonce you know the like minds,
people get together.
And so Dwayne sent me an emailand we started talking about it
and another good friend of ourshe said, yeah, it's possible,
let's develop an architecturearound it.
And next thing, you know, thisthing became a reality and we're
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talking with a couple ofdifferent cities that are trying
to do something similar.
So all of the learning we'regaining now it's the first time
doing it was.
There was a learning curve andwe did announce to everybody
we're not building next Azure,we're not building next AWS.
What we're building issomething, an area where you can
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go in and tinker and play andall of that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
A lab, literally a lab.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Exactly exactly.
You get it right away, yeah, soa lot of folks, a lot of
different townships areinterested in it.
So we're trying to repeat,rinse and repeat and our entire
goal is to really, really likemake it so simple that anyone
can come in and play and buildstuff without getting penalized
for it, like without having to.
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You know, oh yeah, like I gotto right now and you know, funny
thing is that we already havelike four or five different
applications for AI companiesand we're we're actually going
to we're still a month ish awayfrom being ready and they are
already interested on using it.
So that actually actually goingto, we're still a month ish away
from being ready, yeah, andthey are already interested on
using it, so that actually thatactually gave us a little bit of
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hope that, oh, wow, maybe wemight, we might have something
here, we might be solving someproblem.
Yes, but uh, yeah, constanttinkers and uh, that's why four
hours of sleep every night.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't advise that for entrepreneurs, however.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, that's a healthy lifestyle, for sure, you
know it.
You wear like four differenthats.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, so you know, with this new collaboration
because, like you mentioned, aireally is touching every part of
every industry right now.
I mean just from office work tospecific work on a product it's
amazing to me.
I mean, I met a guy who'screating recipes for beer with
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an AI machine learning system hecreated and I was like I never
would have thought of that, butwhat a great idea.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
By the way, we definitely need to meet him for
sure, that would be, cool.
But yeah, it is definitely, andI know that there's a lot of
like warnings about, like thespeed with which everything is
evolving, but I think, I thinkit will definitely.
I'm an optimist, I keepthinking that it will have a lot
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of positive impacts in our lifeand I would love to see more
and more applications in healthcare, which I think we've
started to see quite a few.
Actually, we're actuallyfriends with quite a few
entrepreneurs who are doing somereally, really sophisticated
stuff that would help inprevention of diseases and
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better treatments and everything.
So I think it is definitelyimpacting.
Uh, like you said, everywherefrom I'm seeing it in every
domain, like I I again like notspeaking in absolutes, but uh, I
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would generally say that, like,if you're in a domain where you
think it's not gonna impact us,I I think you might have to
revisit that twice because oddsare it is impacting.
It is impacting everythingyou're doing right, and these
are tools.
So I genuinely believe that wejust leverage this tech to make
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our lives better, make ourbusiness more successful.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So will the lab or the playground the AI playground
basically be equipped withgiant servers so people can try
out their AI models.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I would avoid gettingtoo technical on this one,
because that architecture is inplace, but it's still getting
tweaked a little bit.
But, yeah, you're right, so youcould have your own partitioned
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area where you can use it.
Yeah, so we purchased someserious projects horsepower,
having hardware and build aessentially a kind of like a
cloud there where you, you would.
So you apply.
Um, it's really apply as in,just like you said.
Yeah, I'm interested.
This is my concept.
It's not a fancy applicationexpected at all.
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Like uh, I, uh, our friends arehere, actually they I love how
they say it like the onlyrequirement is that it cannot be
more than half a page.
We don't, we don't, we don'tlike to read hundreds of pages.
So just apply and and assumingyou know it's a serious thing uh
, yeah, like they get the keysto log in, uh, they have, uh, uh
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.
And then let's say we'll workon onboarding them and kind of
help them to go through thelearning curve.
We're not saying it won't, likeyou won't have to code or
something, but uh, we'll try tomake it as painless as possible
so they can just do their job.
We provide them with atechnical framework, with a
token, calculators, with slew ofstuff that they're gonna need
yeah nice, um so literally theydon't even have to have an
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office space here.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They can can do it from anywhere.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, but I think so Short answer is yes, but they
need to have an office addressor Hillyard, because this is an
association.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And they will, but it's really not that stringent.
So they can apply and they canapply and they get just a small
vetting process and they canstart to use it and yeah, that
will be.
And then they can see like iftheir concept has legs, and
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let's say, they also.
There's also other perks thatthey can, so they might also
qualify for some of the grantsand stuff that Hilliard has.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So tell me this is an AI playground, for instance, if
I have an idea for an AIconcept, right yeah, but I don't
have any technical backgroundto make that coding happen.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Does the AI playground help connect me with
people that might?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Absolutely so.
It depends on how intensethings are, but that is
absolutely the goal.
So if you have a concept, youhave a concept.
Somebody tells you that youknow better, be careful, it
might get expensive, it mightall of that.
So that's a great start becauseonce you submit your
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application, within a week youcan very well get access to the
Playground, which is not justthe hardware, not just the
software, but you'll also getother resources.
For example, if it's relatedwith vision, I'm sure the team
at UB here would be more thanhappy to provide some vision
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libraries that you can leverageor something like that.
Or if it's like some basiccoding stuff, I'm sure even our
team can just like oh yeah,don't worry, like we'll get you
started with this.
And then, of course, you as anentrepreneur have to put some
sweat equity in it and make itbetter and make it bigger and
line up more resources.
But that's the entire.
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Goal is to minimize thelearning curve, get folks up and
running and give them a littlebit of advice on okay, like what
do you have here?
Like do you have?
You want to create an agentthat reads your email and writes
a response for you?
Okay, so you're going to need,like you know, just a small
space XYZ.
You can pretty much like spinall of this off by using these
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out of the box, you know, likesoftware.
Or let's say you want to golike a very, very custom route,
then you can follow this guideor talk to this person and so
forth.
So you mentioned getting themset up, creating an account,
getting them up and going andproviding them all kind of like
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in-kind resources, a little bitof like tangible resources, to
get them off the ground.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So tell me, it sounds like you're creating a
community of AI entrepreneurswith this?
Yeah, Very much Will they everbe able to meet each other and
talk about their ideas?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, and so right now, that's one advantage folks
have is that CityLab is aplayground, so it all began as a
.
What began as a idea to producecosting evolved into exactly
what you're saying.
Like I know the ecosystem wordis a little bit overused, but it
is like an ecosystem becauseyou'll get kind of like a
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broader support for your concept.
Like you'll get broader supportbecause now again, like, if
there's like a thousandcompanies that apply overnight,
that might slow that thing downbecause it's still evolving.
But however, that's the goal isthat because multiple groups
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came in together to build this,because they all saw the pain
point and they all have theirown specialty, like, for example
, hilliard has their ownresources, their offices, they
give grants to companies.
They also have their ownnetwork.
Similar the same stuff goes forConverge UB.
Here, all of that, we're alsopart of it, so we have
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connections in the ecosystemourselves.
So whoever's coming in throughthe doors, needless to say, all
of us are there just to make itsuccessful.
You know, funny thing is that,michelle, like we constantly get
asked, and Duane and I werelaughing this happened again
like about a week ago, wherefolks thought there must be some
catch, there must be somethingwe got to pay.
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There must be something like Ifit's still going to be true,
Tashar.
At.
There must be something.
We got to pay.
There must be something If it'sstill going to be true, tushar,
at least for now I don't thinkthere's anything they have to do
Now.
Tomorrow, like I was jokingthat let's say a thousand
companies suddenly flood or havethose resources, then I don't
know, we might have to come upwith some process around it.
But right now it just startedas an experiment and it kind of
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spitballed into this thing whereseveral folks are coming
together.
Actually another good friend ofours, it's a team called Aloy
Dev.
They're based out of Cincinnatiand even they loved it.
They're like you know what,maybe we should do something
like this in the Cincinnati sideof things.
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So they actually visited uslast week and we all sat down
and we were kind of talkingabout like okay, if we have to
do this in your building, whatdo we need to do?
Like you have space, you havehardware, you have XYZ, you have
, you know, because there's someenergy costs, there's some.
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One advantage Helio has is thatthey have fiber running, they
have like all kind of basicinfrastructure in, so that helps
.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
But yeah, but right now we actually have all of
those.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
all of those pieces somehow miraculously came
together, so we should be ableto at least provide the basic,
basic playground.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Even before you guys got started, you're helping
others.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, that we, that we.
That's a.
So that's that's where theroots lie, because we all
started our journey in at one ofthe first startup weekends.
That happened in 2008.
And that's where, in those days, we didn't really have as many
here.
Like you know, the running jokeis that every day in Columbus
there's like four events, andhow do you stay on top of that?
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But that wasn't the case in2008, or at least I didn't know
about that.
So the first one that weattended, that's where a bunch
of us, like you'll run intoquite a few folks.
They all got there together atthat one startup weekend.
At least that's how I perceiveit.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, it's like I can actually name 10 people that
are close friends of ours and weall met there and formed some
company or another.
Yeah, so since then, we've beenvery active in that startup
ecosystem because there's somany cool ideas, there's so many
, so it helped to democratize,you know, this entire like
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innovation, Like everybody, it'snot the only big companies can
come up with cool ideas.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
But you know, because of some of this and so we're
very, very ingrained into that,at least in Ohio, so that helps
us to stay fresh.
So that's why we're constantlylike, if somebody says that's a
great idea, like yeah, let's sitdown, talk about it and see if
it's feasible.
Or at least we can share ourexperience.
Again, like, everything isfeasible if you have the right
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amount of focus and resources.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So this is actually going to open for the public to
apply next month.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
No, I would think I would say like kind of like
close to end of July it willstart to, I think, our first few
beta users will go on.
So there are like fourcompanies that are already lined
up.
Few beta users will go on.
So there are like fourcompanies that are already lined
up and coincidentally they,they are getting ready with
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their development, development,uh, life cycle, around that time
frame as well.
So by july, and it will beproperly better tested and it
will be a go yeah nice all right.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So if people want more information about this, or
maybe even to apply.
How do they contact someone now?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, they can always contact me, tushar, at Big
Kitty Labs, or they can also goto this.
I think it's a.
I think it's a here.
Here's a link.
It's a HilliardOhiogov slashcity dash lab and I'm posting's
here.
Here's a link.
It's hilliardohiogov slash citydash lab and I'm posting it
here.
So they're definitely like.
Folks can always like, so I'mtyping like yeah, they can
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always.
They can always like contact us, but City Dash Lab.
Yeah, city Dash Lab.
Or always like, go to even theycan even go to Big City Labs
and do the contact us and say,hey, I just heard about this.
Yeah, or help with it Like we.
Yeah, I'm sure we're going toneed some help.
So, yeah, anybody who wants tocollaborate, like, let's make it
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a fun experiment.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, it sounds awesome.
You know, in general, I reallyfeel like Ohio is on a growth
trend.
And I'm not even sure wherethat growth has taken us, which
I don't care because I thinkit's a fun thing.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, the more experimentation we will do do,
the better it is for everyone.
So we're I'm glad like, uh,because I so, you know, because
of our work, we're fortunateenough to we get to go to akron,
we go go to, we get to go tocleveland, cincinnati.
Um well, like you know, we werein the hamilton city, we were
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everywhere.
And the more we travel, Irealize this is amazing.
There's activity everywhere.
There's activity everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, and you hear about Intel right now, which is
going to be great for.
Central Ohio and the entirestate to be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Very true.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But there's so many other avenues.
Ai, a big part Companies are.
You know affordability to liveis a big part and have a
business is a big part of peoplechoosing.
You know you need thatinfrastructure and Ohio is
starting to make that possible.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I was just reading about the trains and I think I
could be be wrong, but I thoughtI read an article this morning
that there will be a bill tovote on the the fast train from
Cincinnati to Columbus toCleveland.
I didn't know if they weretalking about that route, but
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there's some bill that's going.
We definitely need some of thatas well.
Uh, although I do not know,like maybe maybe by then we'll
probably have like really reallyworking full self driving
everywhere, but uh, but thatwill definitely come handy
because for especially folkslike us, like I, I visit
cincinnati like four times aweek, I visit cleveland two
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times a week and uh, oh boy,because a lot of driving.
Yeah, because, like I, I agreethat virtual meets really,
really helped us, but there'snothing like being in person
somewhere and meeting somebody,because, like I joke that like
one in-person meet is like 10virtual meetings.
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Like you meet somebody, youhave a coffee with them, you
have lunch with them and thatbond you develop and as an
entrepreneur, you need that.
But yeah, but going back toyour original point, oh boy,
ohio is bustling, bustling withcool tech.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Great place to be right now for an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Amazing, like bustling with cool place to be
right now for an entrepreneur.
Amazing like I and I at least Iwas I wish, I wish, like
whoever's who is like, saylistening to it like they should
definitely, definitely attendsome of these events, like we're
having, all of these coolthings happening like we have.
I was talking to you about theof the AI events that are
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happening.
You get to meet so many coolproblem solvers.
So, yeah, I'm really fortunateto have that exposure and in
many ways, it's also a huge giftfor all of the young generation
that are trying to get into theentrepreneurial lifestyle.
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I think this is a great timefor them to get in and disrupt.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You know, and this is going to, I really feel like
COVID and the solving of theproblem of COVID, where all
these doctors had to cometogether and work together, the
problem of COVID, where allthese doctors had to come
together and work together, likekind of opened up, going from a
world of people kind ofprotecting all their information
to themselves to collaboratingwith others.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, that's amazing.
I wonder, if I do not know, ifthere's any uh, actual um uh,
you know like uh statisticsaround, but could be that, like
you know, many people were athome during COVID and they
probably started tinkeringbecause you know you couldn't go
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outside.
So you're at home and maybeyou're with different ideas and
concepts and you're trying toexecute them, because maybe that
could have happened that folksare home a lot more than they
usually were and and morebusinesses were getting created.
But it did help technology,though, like we, um, I remember,
um, you know march 2020, um, I,uh, I panicked a little bit.
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I was like, oh boy, like whatis happening?
Like everything's shutting downand um, and, and, yeah, and and
, contrary to what I thought, itwas a big boost to tech,
because a whole lot ofinvestment went in, because
being virtual became the mostimportant thing and, um, we
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actually grew a lot during thattime and and yeah.
So, like you're saying, like Ithink there was definitely
something happening around COVIDtime that absolutely benefited
the tech ecosystem.
I think the investments andstuff also probably slowly
started going up.
Yeah, and now the emergence ofAI is kind of crazy.
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It's kind of crazy, crazy good,yeah, crazy good.
I keep joking that this is likewhoever missed out on the
dot-com boom.
This is the second opportunity,yeah, second opportunity for
all of us, totally.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, Tushar, thanks so much for joining me on
Midwest Momentum and filling usin on all the amazing things you
guys are working on.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh, thank you so much .
And and and detail, likelikewise, yeah, like I, I see
you, you know and creating theentire entire like you entire
entrepreneurial ecosystem.
So much by interviewing them,bringing them in front of all
the folks.
Thanks for doing all of that.
Generally appreciate it,michelle.
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You guys are doing amazingstuff.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Tell people Big Kitty Labs website.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that earlier.
Bigkittylabscom BigKittyLabscomjust like a big cat, like
BigKittyLabscom.
Yeah, please reach out to usAny concepts, cool ideas we all
we love to hear that and we willsee like how we can all
collaborate and make itsuccessful.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
All right Well, thanks again, Tushar.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh, thank you, Michelle, and have a wonderful
day.
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Now let's hear what's coming upnext week.
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Coming up.
Next week we're going to hearfrom Lee Mosbacher, the
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with a goal of connecting ideasto potential funders.
Wait till you hear about it,and many of you are going to
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That's coming up in our nextepisode of Midwest Momentum.
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(00:20):
Here's Midwest Momentum host,Michelle Gatchel.
All right.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
We have another great episode of Midwest Momentum
today.
I have a great guest, tasharKulkarni, and he is with Big
Kitty Labs.
Hey, tashar, thanks for joiningme.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
Thanks for inviting me.
Thanks for having me over,michelle.
Yeah, you guys do amazing work,uh like cover so many good
topics and wonderfulentrepreneurs.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So glad to be here so let's tell everybody a little
bit about what big kitty labsdoes we are tinkerers.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
That's how I always saw ourselves.
Uh, we, we're constantly,constantly designing and
developing fun products.
Now again, you also have thebusiness aspect, so you have to
do a lot of other stuff thathelps to build bigger businesses
(01:17):
.
So on one side we have our ownproducts that are ideas or pain
points we are trying to solve indifferent domains, and on the
other side of the company wework with different friends,
clients to build innovativesolutions.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
To help their businesses keep going.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, absolutely, and so for years I have been part
of this journey and for 14, 15years I've been doing this, Me
and our entire team.
We have gained that experiencein different domains and
building all sorts of products,and so we try to leverage that
with our client solutions tohelp them gain a competitive
(01:58):
edge or, you know like, scaletheir business.
Speaker 2 (02:03):
In software and apps.
Is that the area?
Speaker 3 (02:07):
That's mostly the area, but we also manifest
design and manifest somephysical products with some
friends.
So over the years we have madea lot of friends where they have
complementary skills and wework with them, and so we don't
really manufacture anyelectronics ourselves, but we
have really close friends whoare entrepreneurs like us and so
(02:29):
we pair up with them andbrainstorm and design and build
and we do the software part andthey do the hardware part.
Yeah, we have ourselves, as wespeak, a couple of really cool
physical products in the making.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Oh, that's kind of fun.
I didn't even know you didphysical products.
Yeah, yeah, we do we do.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
They're not as common as the software stuff that we
build, but you know there's likeit's so interesting.
As you start your journey as anentrepreneur, like once a
problem solver you're always aproblem solver.
You start seeing opportunitieseverywhere and they could be,
you know, be something where asolution already exists.
(03:08):
But once you have that itch,you constantly start dabbling
into different stuff and startdriving your friends and family
crazy.
There should be a solution forthis, there should be a solution
for that.
So, yeah, we do have somehardware products as well.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Okay.
So you know, as an entrepreneurand it sounds like the business
that you're in you're kind ofalways doing something new.
But I feel like thatentrepreneur spirit is kind of
like what you were talking aboutYou're looking for the
solutions, right, you're lookingfor the next.
Yeah, yeah about.
You're looking for thesolutions, right, you're looking
for the next.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, constantly looking for the next,
and that, I guess, is a goodsegue into the AI part of the
journey of BigQ Labs.
So we have always developedproducts that were kind of like
a cutting edge.
I remember us dabbling intosentiment analysis and all of
(04:09):
that like 15 years ago.
I remember us doing somemachine learning like 14 years
ago and, needless to say, in thelast two years the entire
industry has pivoted around AI.
So we were already suited forthat because we had already been
doing vision stuff, machinelearning stuff, natural language
processing stuff.
(04:31):
So one of the new kind ofinnovation we are doing, in
collaboration with our friendsat City of Hilliard and friends
at Converge Technologies, isbuilding an AI playground, which
I was talking about earlier.
So that is kind of a fun thingthat has gotten us excited to
build this playground wherefolks can just come in and
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innovate without having to worryabout costs, and we'll provide
them all of the tools to helpyou calculate how much money
you'll be spending as youcommercialize products and how
you will be able to scale yourproducts If you're getting the
AI side of things.
What is a quick, scalable techstack you can use.
So we're creating this entireaffordable playground for
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companies.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Because let's talk about that With AI it can be a
very expensive starter yeah,yeah and that's what stops
people that have the ideas formoving forward with those ideas
yeah, and that does happen andthat happens for um and again.
Speaker 3 (05:35):
like anything I say is not really absolute, but it's
kind of like little eggs.
So I know some folks can say,well, you can always, you always
have option to get credits, youalways have option, but but
credits you always have option.
But for the most part, whathappens is that and this
happened with us and we arepretty experienced in this area,
so we ended up spending.
So, as I said, we've alwaysbeen tinkerers, so we were
(05:58):
tinkering with several AI agentsthat solved different pain
points and we racked up a billlike $30,000 in compute costs
which could have very well beenavoided.
So there's an entire debatearound like, well, you could
have done like XYZ, you couldhave put like alerts, all of
that.
So I'm not saying any of thatis not possible.
(06:21):
But that's when I startedrealizing that if you're
building anything, it's justmore than hosting.
You're constantly using eitherOpenAI or any other APIs where
you're going to be payingconstantly for queries that are
being run and after the lastbuild last year I actually
mentioned we just had awonderful panel about this a
(06:42):
week ago.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
I saw the article in Business First, very nice.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Oh, thank you, and that's thanks to everyone who
made that panel successful.
So one of the things thathappened was I was talking about
this during that panel that wework closely with the Hilliard
City team.
We work closely with theConverge team.
They have their own visionproducts which you might already
(07:07):
know.
They do really sophisticatedcomputer vision.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
With their company UbiHere too.
Speaker 3 (07:15):
Correct, correct.
Ubihere does a lot of theirUbiVision.
It's pretty sophisticated andthey had run into similar issues
.
So as we were discussing this,I happened to mention to Dwayne
our friend Dwayne, who is a CIOof Hilliard, and Dwayne like
this is a legit problem andmaybe we can build a playground.
(07:37):
That will require some hardwareto purchase, but we could
probably help on the softwareside.
It won't be as easy, but it isdoable.
And we're just brainstorming,just like every concept, right,
like you meet your friends,you're talking about it, like,
yeah, this should exist, why not?
This should exist.
And next thing, you know, likeyou know, this is what I love
(08:02):
about the tech ecosystem thatonce you know the like minds,
people get together.
And so Dwayne sent me an emailand we started talking about it
and another good friend of ourshe said, yeah, it's possible,
let's develop an architecturearound it.
And next thing, you know, thisthing became a reality and we're
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talking with a couple ofdifferent cities that are trying
to do something similar.
So all of the learning we'regaining now it's the first time
doing it was.
There was a learning curve andwe did announce to everybody
we're not building next Azure,we're not building next AWS.
What we're building issomething, an area where you can
(08:44):
go in and tinker and play andall of that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
A lab, literally a lab.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
Exactly exactly.
You get it right away, yeah, soa lot of folks, a lot of
different townships areinterested in it.
So we're trying to repeat,rinse and repeat and our entire
goal is to really, really likemake it so simple that anyone
can come in and play and buildstuff without getting penalized
for it, like without having to.
(09:09):
You know, oh yeah, like I gotto right now and you know, funny
thing is that we already havelike four or five different
applications for AI companiesand we're we're actually going
to we're still a month ish awayfrom being ready and they are
already interested on using it.
So that actually actually goingto, we're still a month ish away
from being ready, yeah, andthey are already interested on
using it, so that actually thatactually gave us a little bit of
(09:30):
hope that, oh, wow, maybe wemight, we might have something
here, we might be solving someproblem.
Yes, but uh, yeah, constanttinkers and uh, that's why four
hours of sleep every night.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
I don't advise that for entrepreneurs, however.
Speaker 3 (09:48):
Yeah, that's a healthy lifestyle, for sure, you
know it.
You wear like four differenthats.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, so you know, with this new collaboration
because, like you mentioned, aireally is touching every part of
every industry right now.
I mean just from office work tospecific work on a product it's
amazing to me.
I mean, I met a guy who'screating recipes for beer with
(10:20):
an AI machine learning system hecreated and I was like I never
would have thought of that, butwhat a great idea.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
By the way, we definitely need to meet him for
sure, that would be, cool.
But yeah, it is definitely, andI know that there's a lot of
like warnings about, like thespeed with which everything is
evolving, but I think, I thinkit will definitely.
I'm an optimist, I keepthinking that it will have a lot
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of positive impacts in our lifeand I would love to see more
and more applications in healthcare, which I think we've
started to see quite a few.
Actually, we're actuallyfriends with quite a few
entrepreneurs who are doing somereally, really sophisticated
stuff that would help inprevention of diseases and
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better treatments and everything.
So I think it is definitelyimpacting.
Uh, like you said, everywherefrom I'm seeing it in every
domain, like I I again like notspeaking in absolutes, but uh, I
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would generally say that, like,if you're in a domain where you
think it's not gonna impact us,I I think you might have to
revisit that twice because oddsare it is impacting.
It is impacting everythingyou're doing right, and these
are tools.
So I genuinely believe that wejust leverage this tech to make
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our lives better, make ourbusiness more successful.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
So will the lab or the playground the AI playground
basically be equipped withgiant servers so people can try
out their AI models.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So yeah, I would avoid gettingtoo technical on this one,
because that architecture is inplace, but it's still getting
tweaked a little bit.
But, yeah, you're right, so youcould have your own partitioned
(12:31):
area where you can use it.
Yeah, so we purchased someserious projects horsepower,
having hardware and build aessentially a kind of like a
cloud there where you, you would.
So you apply.
Um, it's really apply as in,just like you said.
Yeah, I'm interested.
This is my concept.
It's not a fancy applicationexpected at all.
(12:53):
Like uh, I, uh, our friends arehere, actually they I love how
they say it like the onlyrequirement is that it cannot be
more than half a page.
We don't, we don't, we don'tlike to read hundreds of pages.
So just apply and and assumingyou know it's a serious thing uh
, yeah, like they get the keysto log in, uh, they have, uh, uh
(13:16):
.
And then let's say we'll workon onboarding them and kind of
help them to go through thelearning curve.
We're not saying it won't, likeyou won't have to code or
something, but uh, we'll try tomake it as painless as possible
so they can just do their job.
We provide them with atechnical framework, with a
token, calculators, with slew ofstuff that they're gonna need
yeah nice, um so literally theydon't even have to have an
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office space here.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
They can can do it from anywhere.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, but I think so Short answer is yes, but they
need to have an office addressor Hillyard, because this is an
association.
Speaker 2 (13:51):
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And they will, but it's really not that stringent.
So they can apply and they canapply and they get just a small
vetting process and they canstart to use it and yeah, that
will be.
And then they can see like iftheir concept has legs, and
(14:13):
let's say, they also.
There's also other perks thatthey can, so they might also
qualify for some of the grantsand stuff that Hilliard has.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
So tell me this is an AI playground, for instance, if
I have an idea for an AIconcept, right yeah, but I don't
have any technical backgroundto make that coding happen.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Does the AI playground help connect me with
people that might?
Speaker 3 (14:39):
Absolutely so.
It depends on how intensethings are, but that is
absolutely the goal.
So if you have a concept, youhave a concept.
Somebody tells you that youknow better, be careful, it
might get expensive, it mightall of that.
So that's a great start becauseonce you submit your
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application, within a week youcan very well get access to the
Playground, which is not justthe hardware, not just the
software, but you'll also getother resources.
For example, if it's relatedwith vision, I'm sure the team
at UB here would be more thanhappy to provide some vision
(15:24):
libraries that you can leverageor something like that.
Or if it's like some basiccoding stuff, I'm sure even our
team can just like oh yeah,don't worry, like we'll get you
started with this.
And then, of course, you as anentrepreneur have to put some
sweat equity in it and make itbetter and make it bigger and
line up more resources.
But that's the entire.
(15:45):
Goal is to minimize thelearning curve, get folks up and
running and give them a littlebit of advice on okay, like what
do you have here?
Like do you have?
You want to create an agentthat reads your email and writes
a response for you?
Okay, so you're going to need,like you know, just a small
space XYZ.
You can pretty much like spinall of this off by using these
(16:07):
out of the box, you know, likesoftware.
Or let's say you want to golike a very, very custom route,
then you can follow this guideor talk to this person and so
forth.
So you mentioned getting themset up, creating an account,
getting them up and going andproviding them all kind of like
(16:28):
in-kind resources, a little bitof like tangible resources, to
get them off the ground.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
So tell me, it sounds like you're creating a
community of AI entrepreneurswith this?
Yeah, Very much Will they everbe able to meet each other and
talk about their ideas?
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, and so right now, that's one advantage folks
have is that CityLab is aplayground, so it all began as a
.
What began as a idea to producecosting evolved into exactly
what you're saying.
Like I know the ecosystem wordis a little bit overused, but it
is like an ecosystem becauseyou'll get kind of like a
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broader support for your concept.
Like you'll get broader supportbecause now again, like, if
there's like a thousandcompanies that apply overnight,
that might slow that thing downbecause it's still evolving.
But however, that's the goal isthat because multiple groups
(17:36):
came in together to build this,because they all saw the pain
point and they all have theirown specialty, like, for example
, hilliard has their ownresources, their offices, they
give grants to companies.
They also have their ownnetwork.
Similar the same stuff goes forConverge UB.
Here, all of that, we're alsopart of it, so we have
(17:58):
connections in the ecosystemourselves.
So whoever's coming in throughthe doors, needless to say, all
of us are there just to make itsuccessful.
You know, funny thing is that,michelle, like we constantly get
asked, and Duane and I werelaughing this happened again
like about a week ago, wherefolks thought there must be some
catch, there must be somethingwe got to pay.
(18:19):
There must be something like Ifit's still going to be true,
Tashar.
At.
There must be something.
We got to pay.
There must be something If it'sstill going to be true, tushar,
at least for now I don't thinkthere's anything they have to do
Now.
Tomorrow, like I was jokingthat let's say a thousand
companies suddenly flood or havethose resources, then I don't
know, we might have to come upwith some process around it.
But right now it just startedas an experiment and it kind of
(18:42):
spitballed into this thing whereseveral folks are coming
together.
Actually another good friend ofours, it's a team called Aloy
Dev.
They're based out of Cincinnatiand even they loved it.
They're like you know what,maybe we should do something
like this in the Cincinnati sideof things.
(19:03):
So they actually visited uslast week and we all sat down
and we were kind of talkingabout like okay, if we have to
do this in your building, whatdo we need to do?
Like you have space, you havehardware, you have XYZ, you have
, you know, because there's someenergy costs, there's some.
(19:25):
One advantage Helio has is thatthey have fiber running, they
have like all kind of basicinfrastructure in, so that helps
.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
But yeah, but right now we actually have all of
those.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
all of those pieces somehow miraculously came
together, so we should be ableto at least provide the basic,
basic playground.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
Even before you guys got started, you're helping
others.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
Yeah, that we, that we.
That's a.
So that's that's where theroots lie, because we all
started our journey in at one ofthe first startup weekends.
That happened in 2008.
And that's where, in those days, we didn't really have as many
here.
Like you know, the running jokeis that every day in Columbus
there's like four events, andhow do you stay on top of that?
(20:09):
But that wasn't the case in2008, or at least I didn't know
about that.
So the first one that weattended, that's where a bunch
of us, like you'll run intoquite a few folks.
They all got there together atthat one startup weekend.
At least that's how I perceiveit.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
Yeah, it's like I can actually name 10 people that
are close friends of ours and weall met there and formed some
company or another.
Yeah, so since then, we've beenvery active in that startup
ecosystem because there's somany cool ideas, there's so many
, so it helped to democratize,you know, this entire like
(20:51):
innovation, Like everybody, it'snot the only big companies can
come up with cool ideas.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Right.
Speaker 3 (20:56):
But you know, because of some of this and so we're
very, very ingrained into that,at least in Ohio, so that helps
us to stay fresh.
So that's why we're constantlylike, if somebody says that's a
great idea, like yeah, let's sitdown, talk about it and see if
it's feasible.
Or at least we can share ourexperience.
Again, like, everything isfeasible if you have the right
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amount of focus and resources.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
So this is actually going to open for the public to
apply next month.
Speaker 3 (21:27):
No, I would think I would say like kind of like
close to end of July it willstart to, I think, our first few
beta users will go on.
So there are like fourcompanies that are already lined
up.
Few beta users will go on.
So there are like fourcompanies that are already lined
up and coincidentally they,they are getting ready with
(21:48):
their development, development,uh, life cycle, around that time
frame as well.
So by july, and it will beproperly better tested and it
will be a go yeah nice all right.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
So if people want more information about this, or
maybe even to apply.
How do they contact someone now?
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Well, they can always contact me, tushar, at Big
Kitty Labs, or they can also goto this.
I think it's a.
I think it's a here.
Here's a link.
It's a HilliardOhiogov slashcity dash lab and I'm posting's
here.
Here's a link.
It's hilliardohiogov slash citydash lab and I'm posting it
here.
So they're definitely like.
Folks can always like, so I'mtyping like yeah, they can
(22:33):
always.
They can always like contact us, but City Dash Lab.
Yeah, city Dash Lab.
Or always like, go to even theycan even go to Big City Labs
and do the contact us and say,hey, I just heard about this.
Yeah, or help with it Like we.
Yeah, I'm sure we're going toneed some help.
So, yeah, anybody who wants tocollaborate, like, let's make it
(22:57):
a fun experiment.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Yeah, it sounds awesome.
You know, in general, I reallyfeel like Ohio is on a growth
trend.
And I'm not even sure wherethat growth has taken us, which
I don't care because I thinkit's a fun thing.
Speaker 3 (23:13):
Yeah, the more experimentation we will do do,
the better it is for everyone.
So we're I'm glad like, uh,because I so, you know, because
of our work, we're fortunateenough to we get to go to akron,
we go go to, we get to go tocleveland, cincinnati.
Um well, like you know, we werein the hamilton city, we were
(23:33):
everywhere.
And the more we travel, Irealize this is amazing.
There's activity everywhere.
There's activity everywhere.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
Yeah, and you hear about Intel right now, which is
going to be great for.
Central Ohio and the entirestate to be honest.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Very true.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
But there's so many other avenues.
Ai, a big part Companies are.
You know affordability to liveis a big part and have a
business is a big part of peoplechoosing.
You know you need thatinfrastructure and Ohio is
starting to make that possible.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
I was just reading about the trains and I think I
could be be wrong, but I thoughtI read an article this morning
that there will be a bill tovote on the the fast train from
Cincinnati to Columbus toCleveland.
I didn't know if they weretalking about that route, but
(24:33):
there's some bill that's going.
We definitely need some of thatas well.
Uh, although I do not know,like maybe maybe by then we'll
probably have like really reallyworking full self driving
everywhere, but uh, but thatwill definitely come handy
because for especially folkslike us, like I, I visit
cincinnati like four times aweek, I visit cleveland two
(24:55):
times a week and uh, oh boy,because a lot of driving.
Yeah, because, like I, I agreethat virtual meets really,
really helped us, but there'snothing like being in person
somewhere and meeting somebody,because, like I joke that like
one in-person meet is like 10virtual meetings.
(25:16):
Like you meet somebody, youhave a coffee with them, you
have lunch with them and thatbond you develop and as an
entrepreneur, you need that.
But yeah, but going back toyour original point, oh boy,
ohio is bustling, bustling withcool tech.
Speaker 2 (25:33):
Great place to be right now for an entrepreneur.
Speaker 3 (25:35):
Amazing, like bustling with cool place to be
right now for an entrepreneur.
Amazing like I and I at least Iwas I wish, I wish, like
whoever's who is like, saylistening to it like they should
definitely, definitely attendsome of these events, like we're
having, all of these coolthings happening like we have.
I was talking to you about theof the AI events that are
(25:57):
happening.
You get to meet so many coolproblem solvers.
So, yeah, I'm really fortunateto have that exposure and in
many ways, it's also a huge giftfor all of the young generation
that are trying to get into theentrepreneurial lifestyle.
(26:20):
I think this is a great timefor them to get in and disrupt.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
You know, and this is going to, I really feel like
COVID and the solving of theproblem of COVID, where all
these doctors had to cometogether and work together, the
problem of COVID, where allthese doctors had to come
together and work together, likekind of opened up, going from a
world of people kind ofprotecting all their information
to themselves to collaboratingwith others.
Speaker 3 (26:47):
Yeah, that's amazing.
I wonder, if I do not know, ifthere's any uh, actual um uh,
you know like uh statisticsaround, but could be that, like
you know, many people were athome during COVID and they
probably started tinkeringbecause you know you couldn't go
(27:08):
outside.
So you're at home and maybeyou're with different ideas and
concepts and you're trying toexecute them, because maybe that
could have happened that folksare home a lot more than they
usually were and and morebusinesses were getting created.
But it did help technology,though, like we, um, I remember,
um, you know march 2020, um, I,uh, I panicked a little bit.
(27:32):
I was like, oh boy, like whatis happening?
Like everything's shutting downand um, and, and, yeah, and and
, contrary to what I thought, itwas a big boost to tech,
because a whole lot ofinvestment went in, because
being virtual became the mostimportant thing and, um, we
(27:52):
actually grew a lot during thattime and and yeah.
So, like you're saying, like Ithink there was definitely
something happening around COVIDtime that absolutely benefited
the tech ecosystem.
I think the investments andstuff also probably slowly
started going up.
Yeah, and now the emergence ofAI is kind of crazy.
(28:17):
It's kind of crazy, crazy good,yeah, crazy good.
I keep joking that this is likewhoever missed out on the
dot-com boom.
This is the second opportunity,yeah, second opportunity for
all of us, totally.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Well, Tushar, thanks so much for joining me on
Midwest Momentum and filling usin on all the amazing things you
guys are working on.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
Oh, thank you so much .
And and and detail, likelikewise, yeah, like I, I see
you, you know and creating theentire entire like you entire
entrepreneurial ecosystem.
So much by interviewing them,bringing them in front of all
the folks.
Thanks for doing all of that.
Generally appreciate it,michelle.
(29:03):
You guys are doing amazingstuff.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
Tell people Big Kitty Labs website.
Speaker 3 (29:09):
Oh yeah, I should have mentioned that earlier.
Bigkittylabscom BigKittyLabscomjust like a big cat, like
BigKittyLabscom.
Yeah, please reach out to usAny concepts, cool ideas we all
we love to hear that and we willsee like how we can all
collaborate and make itsuccessful.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
All right Well, thanks again, Tushar.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
Oh, thank you, Michelle, and have a wonderful
day.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Thanks for listening to Midwest Momentum on your
favorite podcast site and greatradio stations across Ohio like
92.9 in Franklin, licking andDelaware counties and WDLR Heard
in Delaware, union and Marioncounties.
Now let's hear what's coming upnext week.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
Coming up.
Next week we're going to hearfrom Lee Mosbacher, the
co-founder of Serenis, about anew app they're coming out with
with a goal of connecting ideasto potential funders.
Wait till you hear about it,and many of you are going to
probably want to use it.
That's coming up in our nextepisode of Midwest Momentum.
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