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June 18, 2025 108 mins

Ever wondered why dating feels impossible and parenting advice sounds fake? Mike and Dylan deliver brutally honest life advice that actually works.

This episode tackles the real struggles guys face: dating with autism, surviving embarrassing first dates, and being authentic parents instead of Pinterest-perfect frauds. When a listener shares his autism dating struggles, the hosts break down why "be interested, not interesting" beats pickup artist tactics every time. Plus, a disastrous crab leg date leads to the ultimate question: should you confess to pooping your pants, or take that secret to the grave?

Key Topics & Timestamps:

00:00:00 Intro & Life Advice Philosophy

00:08:32 School Physical Exams & Setting Boundaries

00:16:16 Dating with Autism - Real Advice

00:21:50 Parenting Without the Pinterest BS

00:39:25 Motorcycle Rider Write In

00:49:12 First Date Disaster - Poopy Pants Emergency

01:07:38 Streaming Services & Entertainment Rants

01:28:50 Art Culture & Abstract vs Real Talent

The guys also dive deep into streaming service monopolies, art culture gatekeeping, and why motorcycle gangs without motorcycles exist. No topic is off-limits in this unfiltered conversation between two friends who've seen it all.

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(00:00):
Bear never bow down, Mike and Dylan hate drama but the Bow Wow
they hate us cuz they hate us. Cuz they're anus.
Yeah, Anus, I try to say like anus, too.
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to another episode of Mike
and Dylan Hate Hate drama where we, I don't know, give you life
advice, help you through life. Life is tough, OK?

(00:23):
And sometimes you get very sad. And when you get sad, you get a
little bit horny. All right.
And now I'm gonna give you all the birds and the bees talk, OK?
Sometimes a girl will have a fatdonkey.
Boy, God damn, that thing be thick as fuck.
This is exactly how I do it. You know what, my son you gonna
be like? God, boy, she got a gut from

(00:44):
hell. Boy, let me tell you something
right now. And then, you know, you're gonna
you're gonna want to mate with her.
You're gonna want to. How do I put it?
Delicately bust an avalanche a nut inside of her thick mommy
womb. What an introduction.

(01:05):
God damn Jesus Christ. Let's not.
Let's not probably answer adviceabout sex today.
Because. I was just going to say that
like this is Mike's therapy session is to come in here and
record these podcasts. He gets to let some of his stuff
out and go through some of his past traumas and things like
that. But, and so I was going to say

(01:27):
that and then you just went straight into.
The the the avalanche of I, I wish your, I wish your boys well
with the birds and the bees talk.
Yeah, I would never do that. I would never also.
Well, yeah, I didn't have the talk and I turned out my parents
never had the talk. Perfectly fine.
I mean, I knew stuff before I like, I mean, I knew stuff way

(01:48):
too young. Like I knew what?
Absolutely. And and to be naive and not to
not think that they don't hear things, but it is good to like
do the base, the base talk so I don't get like molested and shit
like that. Like we don't got fucking code
names for, you know, Dick and balls.
We call it penis. It's a penis.
Got testicles, vagina, bam. Ain't no fucking code names.

(02:12):
We're not punky and wee wee and wah wah and your gooby goo and
shit like that. Like I can't stand when parents
do the A. It sounds fucking just weird.
Weird. Like if someone was like talk to
their kid, well, you know you'regoing to just like pull out your
gooby. And I'm like, what the fuck is a
gooby, bro? What the fuck is a guy?
I don't know. Where I think I think my wife

(02:32):
named my daughters but a bonky. A bonky, that's what I'm saying.
Like we be, we come up with the with the weirdest name.
So when a kid is sitting in the detective room that like this
guy has got a fucking decipher. He's like, all right, so he
pulled out his Schlingamitang and it's just like, well, I

(02:53):
don't, I don't get what it's andI don't know how that holds up
in a court of law. I don't know.
I don't know either but. My son would just be like, he
tried to pull some gay shit and grab my testicles bro.
And I was like, Nah. I was like whoa bro, you're like
a fucking 38 year old man. You know, when I was, when you
were in school, did they do likeyearly physicals there?

(03:13):
No man, school never touched my nutsack.
Well, they did. My school like that was like
everybody had to go in and like check for like a hernia or
something. I don't know, I really feel like
you you might have, you might have not the only school.
This is this is the story, though.
It's like they called my parentsbecause I was like, Nah, they
ain't touching me. No, like I just threw the
gauntlet down. I was like, no, they ain't.
Bro, my dad already told me about you guys.

(03:33):
He's like, yeah, this ain't evena doctor's a school, like, but
they had doctors come in and do it, yeah.
Into the nurse's office secondary.
Teacher No. All right, right, kids, Huddle
up, them grab y'all's nuts. Actually for hernias.
My parents said that they were proud of me because I didn't
fall for the like, even though it was a legit like they're
like, yeah, no, you're in your rights to tell them that they
can't touch you there, right? So guys, we have just, we got so

(03:57):
many submissions. Look, we got submissions for.
We need more though, we years more and more but like we need
as many as you can send. Absolutely.
And listen guys, we we set up the voicemail to play on the
podcast. And I mean, listen, it is very
humbling. Let's I consider myself like one
of the the most humble people onEarth.
Like, God, I'm so fucking humble, right?

(04:18):
The humblest, probably, yeah, probably the humblest.
OK. And every time you guys send in
something about how much you love the podcast, bro, I'm even
more humbled. I don't even know.
I'm like, if there was a God tier for being humbled, that's
me. All right?
I'm so humble. I'm way more fucking humble than
Dylan and everybody listening, but let's use the the voice

(04:40):
thing for like, you know, submissions and stuff like that.
And yeah, yeah, you're like, hey, my, I mean, I guess it
would be easier for a spouse to be like, is that is that, is
that Ricky right there? Oh my God.
Yeah. You know, at first I thought he
was talking about me because he was talking about a lady with a.
3rd nipple no no. A tattoo of a lobster on the
side of her titty. And I was like, no, you know,

(05:01):
that's got to be common. But then his voice, I mean,
that's Ricky. He's talking about me.
The funny thing is, the first guy was Ricky.
Oh yeah, it was Ricky. Fuck.
Ricky's like a name. All country.
We use Ricky, Jodie, Timmy, Jimmy.
I didn't mean. If you had an Amy, we're going
to fucking use your name. I didn't know a Jodie until I

(05:23):
moved down here, and then I'd heard the Jodie joke when I was
at work and then actually met like two or three of them now.
Every Jodie I've ever met has been the littlest dude you've
ever laid eyes on. Like built.
Built like a 13 year old. One of the Jodie's I know he's
like a huge dude and like one ofthe nicest guys in the world.
Like not definitely not going tobe like at your house banging

(05:44):
your wife, but like. It's so weird that like, the
bigger a guy gets, the nicer thenicer he is, and those are
always the guys. Like, man, I'm really glad I'm
hanging out with Barry over here.
And then, like, shit goes down and bears, like, I don't fight.
I'm a pacifist. You don't have to fight, OK?
That's the good thing about yoursize.
Look angry. Yeah.
He's like, how do I do that? I'm just like, just like, put

(06:05):
your eyes down and everybody's like, whoa, bro, we don't want a
problem. That guy, like my brother, he's
big as shit, man. Teddy bear won't fucking.
He's just, this is my middle one, just a teddy bear.
And I'm just like, look, you, I've seen him.
He fought one time. We, we fucking.
We had to, like, bully him into it.
And it's OK for brothers. Bully brothers.
OK, and he fought. I think I've brought up Turtle

(06:28):
before on the podcast, but Turtle would fight anybody.
So Turtle was talking shit to him and he was like, man, you
got to you got to defend yourself, man.
Like you get people going to talk shit about you until you
hit him in the mouth. And it don't matter if you win
or lose because nobody likes to talk shit to the guy that's
going to hit him in the mouth except Turtle like that.
He was the one that no matter no, he could be outnumbered 15

(06:50):
to 1 and fucking he is literallyRandy from South far.
I didn't hear no bail like he heis that guy.
So we convinced we convinced Robbie to go out there and fight
him and he immediately starts bytaking the shirt off and rob a
big fat guy. And I'm like, look, you just
lost all R right there, like allthe like mystique of you being

(07:11):
big as shit. As soon as the titties come out,
bro and a turtle. He had got a capacity so he had
women titties. So it's like big man titties
versus actual like female breasts on a guy.
So at first it was weird and it was like we got a couple of
transgender people that are fighting.
It was, it looked very suspicious.
All right, Turtle, like I said, he would fight anybody.

(07:33):
No fighting ability whatsoever. 0 So blind rage.
Just go. For it, I wouldn't even call it
blind rage man. It was just like, I don't know,
I like him fighting reminded me of like if you just walked up to
a blind guy, poured a thing of boiling water on him and him
flailing around. That's what turtle fighting was.

(07:53):
So we assumed like it Robbie would be OK.
So the fight starts and they start throwing punches and I'm
going to tell you something. If there was someone in between
them, they got their ass, but not a God damn shot was landing.
And you know, Robbie's got like his fucking head.
Turning his eyes closed. Which I it's a method.
Crazy fighting technique. Listen.
Crazy fighting technique, but hewasn't getting hit.

(08:15):
So and then like turtle, he's like he fucking bobbing it and
then he'll throw a punch and it's so far off and he throws it
like that, like a little side arm and I'm like, I don't
there's no take force in them atall.
So like we're talking shit and we stop it and then we like set
them close. We really do.
Like we get them a little bit closer.
So they start doing it again. And I don't know how, but their
punches just aren't hitting. And then finally, like Robbie

(08:36):
connects with the one on his chin and Turtle just like his
arm slumped down. He's just like standing there
and then Robbie hits him again and he falls down completely
unconscious. But look, he's he's got like
boxer CTE and has never been in a professional sport ever.
That's how many times I've I've seen Turtle personally get
knocked out by like 4 different people.

(08:58):
I mean, and I'm talking about it's always just devastating,
devastated, like the other person is Mike Tyson.
Did you, didn't you fight him before?
I did like a I had just got donehanging out with my girlfriend
and we get back to the trailer park and he's like talking shit
or doing something dumb and he like tried to grab a hold of me.

(09:20):
So I when I tried to get away, it was like a little spinning
back fist, which I mean I was angry.
So because he he like I said, hejust he he was always drunk and
playing around too much. So he gets his brother and his
dad. And there was this guy I met
Brian, which we call each other wing man because like within the
first two days of knowing each other, we both got it.

(09:41):
We like we got to like a group fight together because there was
one instance where this like meth head was trying to fuck
with my friend Brandon. We were all underage at the
time. Brian was like 28 or 29.
And so he's like talking shit. And I'm like, fuck, I'm gonna
fight. You ain't gonna talk shit about
my friend. And then like, Brian walks up
and he's like, why are you talking shit to a fucking kid?

(10:03):
And I was like, oh, shit, this. And Brian's huge.
Like Brian's Brian's the type ofguy who has like the thick
forearms where he's just like, man, I can guarantee you a punch
from that. This does not feel nice.
So him and Brian start fighting and he pulls out a box cutter
and starts stabbing Brian. Brian's still whooping the shit
out of him, whooping the dog shit out of him too.
And it's so hard because I'm like, I got to jump in because

(10:24):
he's getting stabbed, but also like dudes getting his ass
whooped. So I grab like it was like a
piece of trim or something. And I'm like smacking this guy
on the back. This dude's like a heavy method
though, not feeling anything. So Brian Brandon comes out and
he brings Brian an axe handle and he, he gives Brian the axe

(10:45):
handle, but Brian's like trying to because he's obviously he's
getting stabbed and he doesn't want to get stabbed.
So he's like trying to find a good way to like smack him with
his axe handle. So I smack him in the back and I
could see like a bleeding Welt come across this guy's back And
he takes one second and he looksat me and Brian swings the axe
out. Bro sticks his arm up.
Nastiest thing ever. A arm immediately just snaps in

(11:07):
half. So he sets it down and he's just
like looking at it. Not no acknowledgement of pain
or nothing, but while he's looking at it, another one bam,
right across the forehead. I took off running and I was
like, somebody's I just helped murder somebody.
I was like, I'm going to prison.What's so funny?
As I went to my older brother and I was like, I was like, we
just murdered somebody. I was talking about, you know,

(11:28):
because I was like, like I said,I just saw him snapping arms,
guy's arm in half with an axe handle and then hit him across
the head with the same force. So I was like, Bros, he's never
coming back. And I was like, we just killed
somebody. My brother was like, we, I
wasn't out there, you just killed somebody.
What happened? So the cops come and I found out
if you get into a fight with somebody, but that person has a

(11:50):
warrant for their arrest, technically they're not supposed
to be out. I don't know how the cop worded
it. Also, they found a decent amount
of meth on the guy too. So that worked out in our favor,
but we didn't get into any trouble.
And then it was like a day or two later outside of the trailer
park, this car fucking wrecks and like rolls over, smacks to a
telephone pole. So Brian goes out there to help

(12:12):
everybody out. They were drinking and driving
and Brian's like you already called like the fire department
and shit because it was like a fucking the car was destroyed.
How these guys walked out unscathed, I don't know, but it
already called the fire department.
So they just like started to tryto fight them.
We knew the people passingly. So they come in and they say or
this girl that was with them, Erica comes into the house and

(12:33):
she's like, they're jumping Brandon, which Brandon is my
other friend. I was like, or no, they they're
jumping Ant turtles, brother. That's that's who she says.
And I'm like, who the fuck is jumping?
Like Ant is lit. Like all he does play video
games. He's never been in trouble ever.
Yeah, he does rap, but you know,I'm saying that everybody did
that. He just plays video games.
So I was like confused. And also, it's like 1:30 in the

(12:54):
morning and I was sleeping. So I go out there and I see
Brian. And like I said, we had not
known each other long. But I go and there's one guy,
Donovan, and this, that's one ofthe guys that wanted to like
punch me in the chest to get me into the insane Gangster
Disciples. That's the one who asked me
that. And he told Brian he was like,

(13:17):
or he was like, yeah, this motherfucker is a snitch and
called the cops and shit like that.
And I asked Brian and he was like, bro, he's like, I fucking,
they just wrecked out here. So I called the cops and I was
like, I don't fucking know what happened.
And now I'm in this fight and Donovan, Donovan walks up and
like Brian's like talking to me,mid talking to me and just
punches him in the face. It's literally, it looked like

(13:38):
it was out of a Will Ferrell movie.
Just punches him in the face. And then this other kid, Brandon
comes running up, little teardrop on his eye.
Everybody said that he had AIDS and Brandon's like trying to
tell us that like mid sentence one.
Like I punched him and he was like, oh man, I think he has
AIDS. I'm like, why would you tell me
after I had punched them and I'mlike checking my hand out now.

(13:58):
I'm all worried. But yeah, we got to like a two
on two fight with those guys. So we always called each other
wingman after that. But after the little incident
with Turtle, his brother and hisdad.
So he turtles the one that he broke the arm and stuff.
No, no, no this. Was yeah, this was a different
guy, but Turtle was the one I backhanded.
So he comes with his brother andhis dad and this is like, once

(14:20):
again, I'm brown for like a weekand they're all trying to like
jump me out there. I'm not a fucking.
I'm not, you know, Jean-Claude Van Damme, 3 against one.
And his dad has like a little miniature like baseball bat club
thing. He's a truck driver.
And Brian sticks his head out the door And I'm like, Brian,
they're trying to jump me. And he immediately like closes

(14:41):
the door and I'm like, oh, man. And Tony, their dad's like,
haha, looks like ain't nobody coming to fucking save you.
And the next thing I know, that fucking door busts open and
Brian's coming out with a real baseball bat.
And just like, bro, the fucking it was dope though, because I'd
never met somebody who, you know, just like that was just
right because that's what I would do.
I never wanted to like, fight anybody.

(15:02):
But it's like my friends, you know what I'm saying?
So I don't know why we got off on that tangent.
Let's get into some advice and talk about life.
I do like to state that that wasn't a trailer park because
then people are like, makes sense, makes sense, everything
adds up. We called it the trailer hood,
which I think everybody who likecame from a trailer park called
it that. My buddy called his trailer the

(15:22):
Trouse because it was a trailer house and so he'd I'm going to
head to the Trouse. Trailer houses were rich people
where I came from. I mean what?
What's the difference between a trouse and a trailer?
A trouse looks like a house though, and it's like wider.
Like a modular or like a double wide?
It looks it. I won't even say a double wide,
it just looks like a fucking it kind of looks because it has the

(15:45):
house little thingy on the front.
So I just assumed if you lived in one of those you're rich.
Yeah, we lived in, besides the house that I grew up in, like I
said, for the longest we were there for like 5 or 6 years.
We primarily lived in trailers. I grew up in a trailer.
Wood paneling is just, it's seared into my memory.

(16:06):
We upgraded to a double. Wide.
Oh, very nice. Very.
No, we didn't have that Richie. God, this this title says dating
with autism. I feel you bud.
My nickname is G Cut. I am a 34 male.
I grew up very sheltered and didn't really start dating until
I was 29. I struggled with reading social

(16:28):
cues and every relationship has ended in a breakup and I'm
looking for any advice or insight.
I have always struggled with. So God damn.
All right, Look, number one thing is, is always be yourself.
The next biggest thing is, is man look, women, while they are

(16:51):
a very heart species to read, the one thing we do know is they
love to tell you about things. So the biggest thing is you
don't really have to read socialcues as long as just, you know,
say a couple words and then listen because anything you say,
I'm, I'm essentially like a woman.

(17:12):
Like I get off on these like long tangents off of something
little like that. Didn't need to have a whole
tangent come after it. And as long as you just like sit
there and listen and just, you know, like I said, be yourself.
You ain't got to be fucking extroverted to get a girlfriend.
You ain't got a fucking be Casanova to get a girlfriend.
Just sit there and listen. And you know, don't listen to

(17:32):
fucking respond. Just like actually like listen
to what she says. And you know, at first, maybe
try to give a little bit vice ifshe ain't, if she ain't down for
the advice route, not like don'ttry to give her like life
advice, but you know. Get your shit to yeah.
No. Or just, you know, oh, you know,
I usually just try to do this inthat situation.
If you see she doesn't like that, then the next time

(17:53):
essentially just back her up on whatever the fuck she says.
And bro, if you go that route right there, you ain't got to
read social cues. You ain't got to do any of that
shit. I think the biggest thing is to
just because a lot of guys who are are antisocial, you guys
know me, I like to play Magic the Gathering.
I play video games. So I hang out with a lot of
these guys, and a lot of these guys stink like you stink.

(18:15):
Like when I was younger, I stopped self-care.
Yeah, a lot of that is self-care.
I know I'll fucking look like a gremlin right now, but I am
happily married to a woman who loves me.
So I got to try no more. I ain't got to try no more.
But there is, you know, always have a good haircut.
If you want to have a beard, make sure the beard looks nice.
Make sure you're putting on deodorant, spraying on just like

(18:36):
spraying on some kind of, not too much.
It ain't got to be Axe, but it also ain't got to be anything
expensive. They're made in the same goddamn
factories. Yeah, not too much.
Which I mean, nowadays I don't think it matters because
everybody's wearing too goddamn much, so nobody's going to smell
you over anybody else. I always make fun of my 13 year
old. I'm like you, You smell like a
grandma. Because it used to be that
grandma's would like. Lay it on.

(18:56):
Yeah, just lay it on like you taste it in the air.
When? Grandma's put on fucking perfume
like they wanted to get fucked that night.
Like like they was like I got toput this much on so fucking
grandpa Feel something that's how.
Bro have you ever walked in on parents or grandparents doing
it? It's rough.
No, I found some toys one time, but that was, that was as far as

(19:18):
I think I found like they used to put the Lube in like little
little packets and stuff like that.
And I found that one time I was like Nope, never looking in that
drawer again. I found one of my mom's and it
was so weird and I've never looked it up because I don't
really want to know. But now people are inevitably,
inevitably going to comment this, but it was like a tan 1
and it was just like small and pointed and went up like that.

(19:40):
And I'm like, what the fuck did that we're used for?
Probably the G spot like. Yeah, don't like.
The insides. The only time I accidentally saw
my mom's titties I was also in acar accident that day and was
put in the hospital. So I always just.
I've associated Mama titties with bad omen.
My advice for you and the best way that I've heard it put, is
be interested, not interesting. Like it's better for you to be

(20:04):
interested in what she's talkingabout and like you can add to
the conversation. But.
When you try to be the interesting one, it, it doesn't
come off well. People like to people like to
tell their own stories. You're the hero of your own.
And so like, yes, you want to tell everybody everything, but
ultimately if you make her feel like seen and heard and all that

(20:26):
stuff, she feels validated and then that attraction builds and.
I forgot to say, fuck you guys. Oh yeah, nobody came to the June
15th. And you guys were our people
that were. Supposed to come behind the
Denny's in Thomasville, NC extravaganza.
Nobody showed up and I was just standing out there, Dick in
hand. We thought one, one person,
there was somebody in a blue carand they pulled up so.

(20:48):
Fucking goofy out there just is that is that some?
Oh, no, it's just old people. Oh, is that somebody?
Look, it broke my heart and you guys look.
He didn't even feel in the mood to give me a handy but.
I didn't. I just left.
I just left Dylan. Dylan didn't get a handy, didn't
get to reach around, nothing. I didn't even add those homeless
guy. He walked by normally.

(21:08):
Yeah, I'm fucking charitable. Yeah, I'll give a reach around
to a homeless guy. God damn, who needs it the most?
The homeless do OK. They can't afford one.
Couldn't even do it. I was just, I was, I was just so
taken aback. But yeah, yeah, I like that.
The be interested, not interesting because you guys
hear me. We talk about subject bro that I

(21:29):
don't know a lot about. And I'll be trying to get some
insightful shit. And people like Mike shut the
fuck up. It's just it doesn't sound good.
It doesn't sound good. What sounds good to someone
else, though? Imagine thinking about somebody
who likes to like if someone wasgiving advice way out of their
league and you were like, oh, yeah, like, that's a great idea,
bro. You're hyping them up.
And essentially, essentially that's what it is.

(21:52):
This message says Mike. And then and and then dot dot
dot dot dot dot dot dot dot. Dylan, I don't know what that
means. I guess he doesn't care for me.
Thanks for starting your podcast.
I'm learning how to be a better husband and dad through your
experiences and wanted to say thanks.
Keep up the great work. Here's the thing bud, if you're
wanting to be a better spouse and a better father, you already

(22:12):
are, man. You're you're doing a good job.
And I just want to say that the while the words I use sound
nice, they do they sound good. I am by no means like, you know,
I fucking struggle each and every day.
I make mistakes each and every day.
I was listening back to one episode of the podcast where I
was talking about something, something I was doing with the

(22:33):
kids and like what I try to do. And I was like, man, that sounds
like dorky as shit. Like I, I sound like I'm coming
off like I got everything figured out and that's that.
Bro, you don't at dads and moms too, you know, we're not this
fucking just superhuman species that can fucking just do
everything, OK? We're human and we make mistakes

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and we fuck up. But that's what, that's the
beautiful part about being a parent is that we're ordinary
people like, you know, sacrificing shit, fucking doing
our best to try to take care of somebody.
And that's where that's where like fucking love comes from,
man. If we were all perfect, it would
mean nothing. It would be nothing.
It would mean zero to be a good parental figure, to be a good,
you know, spouse, whatever. So just understand if you are

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worrying about if you're listening to this right now and
you're like, you're constantly thinking, man, am I doing the
right thing? Am I being a good dad?
I'm always at, you know, I'm always at work and I'm missing
these opportunities and stuff like that.
I understand you are a great a great parent and I guarantee you
your kids are going to respect the fuck out of you when your
owner. Well, yeah, it's the being self
aware that you're not perfect. It's the people that think they

(23:39):
have it all put together. It's the people that like
Pinterest. Yeah.
And there's so many ways that you're going to go wrong, like
no kids coming out of this unscathed.
Like it's just not, it doesn't exist.
You're going to say the wrong thing.
Sometime you're going to be too harsh, sometime you're going to
be too lenient. You're like all of that happens.
And and it's the same with beinga husband.
Like you're, you're not going tobe perfect, but it's looking at

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what you've done and who you areand how you can improve.
And if as long as you're lookingat it that way and like you
don't have to work all the time for it, but as long as you're
like, I was kind of the asshole there.
Let me let me go and apologize. Let me like make that right.
That's what counts because all of us are flying.
I do. I do want to give a funny
instance to kind of show you like, what will happen in like,

(24:21):
in my household. So my daughter, now that she is
older, she is getting that. She's getting, she's becoming a
person. So.
And she's testing boundaries. Yeah.
And sometimes, bro, I'll be losing my God damn mind.
She's really good at it too. She's really good at talking
shit. And like, sometimes I like
fucking where Stern turns to yelling.

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You know what I'm saying? And then I'll come back and I
apologize. I'll be like, you know, I'm
sorry. I lost my temper right there.
And she's like, you know, if youapologize, you know, I'm saying
like, if you do it and then apologize, it does, it doesn't
mean anything. And I was like, it kind of does,
kind of does because people makemistakes.
So then her and her mom got intoan argument and she was like,

(25:03):
just go to your room. Like yelled at her, just go to
your room. And I mean, I didn't think it
was like too overboard that either one of their sides when
you got two women in the house. Don't take sides bro.
I got 3. But you know, Amy was like,
maybe I went out like a little bit too harsh.

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So so we, me and my daughter go to the store later and she was
like, you know, when stuff like that happens, it is good that
you do apologize afterwards because then you know, that
happened with her mom and her mom didn't apologize.
And I was like, are you trying to guide me into talking shit
about your mom with you right now in the car?

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Because you're still angry like a little bit.
But that's why she that's why she brought it up.
But like kid, like kids, they'regoing to, they're not going to
appreciate the sacrifices that we make until they're in our
shoes making those sacrifices. And even if you, you know,
everybody can want a better life, even with going to

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college, you know, getting a good job, all that stuff,
there's still sacrifices in life, things that we we have to
do, things that we have to go through.
We're not going to be able to prevent, you know, our children
from, you know, seeing anything bad in the world.
It's just not going to happen. So just understand that that one
day they are going to be like, man, fucking dad had it rough
and he was going to work 12 hours a day dealing with all

(26:27):
this shit. Mom had it rough.
She was, you know, doing all this shit for us.
Just understand that if you are,you know, self-conscious about
how you are talking to your children, if you get into an
argument with them or you do something and you sit back and
was like, fuck, man. I was just like, I was too much
in that moment. And you're able to, you're able
to say that and then you're ableto talk to your kid about that.

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You're doing a good job. And it is literally social
media. It's the Pinterest shit of
people making their kids like this.
Fucking, you know, we got this fruit from tzatziki.
It fucking takes like 3 weeks and I chopped it up and fucking
little squares and shit like that, 'cause every day you get a
story about those parents, like just like fucking abusing their
kids and shit, the worst kind ofshit, you know, fucking record

(27:09):
it again. Don't be such a or don't eat
some food 'cause you look like afat cow on camera.
Shit like that, like crazy shit no one would ever say to their
kids. And that people try to portray
something that they're not even harder.
Like you know what I'm saying? Like if they're not a good
parent, they're going to really try to look like a good parent
online. And you got to, you do have to
get away from that shit and justhonestly, and it kind of says

(27:31):
don't listen to what I say either.
Don't fucking listen to anybody on the Internet when it comes to
parenting and shit. I mean, I, I guess it depends on
who's saying it, But like one point that I wanted to raise
though, is, and it, I think thatit's one of the reasons that
like, I feel like I'm doing a good job parenting is I look
back on my childhood and like scenarios like where my dad was

(27:51):
yelling at me and like this was the scenario.
And like back then, like I'd apologize just to like be done
with it. But like, I think the one thing
is, is to like look at it back through parent eyes now.
Because like a lot of those times when it was tough, your
parents were just trying to protect you, like they were
trying to get you to not do well.

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Like I have a different offering.
I mean, me and Dylan got to an argument on well, not an
argument. Just like we we we had a
discussion, a fucking, we were shared our sides of an argument.
And then after the podcast we'retalking about we came from two
different places. Because I can't look back on it
because I'd just be beating my kids with a wooden paddle with
holes drilled in it for everything.
I was like, Oh yeah, you want tofucking?

(28:33):
You want to talk back to me? Yeah.
I mean beat you with this fucking.
Stick well and what what am I saying?
Like what I'm trying to get at though, is like it's really easy
to like look at that as you werejust getting beat with the
paddle for whatever and I like Ihave a different upbringing.
My parents didn't spank me or anything like that after I got
out of like diapers and the big thing that I do.

(28:54):
Before he got out, that would bethe fuck out of him There's.
Padding there, back there. So I'm like, at least I had like
a little, you know, but the big thing that I'm trying to get to
though, is like, look at what the lesson that your parents
were trying to teach rather thanlike their actions to do it.
And like in that moment, like what would have actually helped
you turn that situation around? Like how would you have not been

(29:15):
a bully at school? How would you have like, you
know, not fought on the bus, like those types of things,
like, rather than focusing on like what you did or like your
parents reaction to it, like what did you need as a kid to
make those decisions correctly rather than go down that road?
And like, I think that that's one of the struggles because
I've, I've seen it with friends and family that like, they still

(29:35):
look back at like when I was 15,this was the problem and they
were an asshole and I was like, well, they were trying to
protect you because like you were doing some stupid shit that
would you could get kidnapped, die, whatever.
Like you're fucking around with like adults and you're a kid.
So like parent was trying to protect you.
Maybe they didn't handle it exactly right, but like the

(29:55):
whole goal was to protect and tohelp you grow up to be a
functioning adult. Like that's the goal.
Maybe they didn't handle it perfectly, but they tried.
And so like, look at it back then and then see like, OK,
well, when I was 15, I did this thing.
I really could have used like a discussion about it rather than
just like grounding or whatever it is.

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I had an ex-girlfriend who was like locked inside of her house
like a dodge. She was not allowed to do any
fucking where. So it's kind of funny too,
because I was like, man, like I because even back then we knew
like the kids who are like, if you knew your friends or there
was like someone who was like locked in the house.
She's like a mother fucker goingto be crazy when he gets out.

(30:37):
Like he, that's the person who'sgoing to be like the fucking
party animal who's going to be doing every fucking drug they
can get their hands on because this is a new world.
You know what I'm saying? And I'll saying that to her.
So me and her actually had brokeup and then like we, we were
like reconnecting. And then she was like talking
about this girl that she hated that I had slept with.
And she was like, you did you sleep with her?

(30:59):
I had a button. I don't want to say it.
And we were not together long. So it was fucking hey, it wasn't
even serious, you know what I'm saying?
And then she goes because she had, she got a freedom now.
And she goes down like this fucking list of like 30 guys.
And I was like, listen, you're not like making me jealous.
You're just kind of like slow. Yeah, you do you, girl.
Too much. Yeah.
Go out. Go out and have fun.
But God damn. Yeah.

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She ain't like fucking 30 things.
I was like, at what point do youthink I'm gonna be like, hey,
hopefully you're do like wearingsome protection.
God damn. Or BI was like, man, you know
what? Let me admit so I could make all
this go away. I was like, I don't know the
point of this. Well, and who who are you trying
to get back at? Like, I mean, yeah, I get that
your parents that locked you in that cage, but like ultimately

(31:41):
you're harming yourself with. But that's what a lot of kids do
though. If they're like too tightly
reined in, they take it out on everybody.
Like we'll fuck you, I'm going to just go wild.
And then they. Hurt them.
So being a kid, being a teenager, seeing all your you
know, friends do stuff. That's why it's more important
to just raise a smart kid. You can like I said, you could

(32:04):
try to protect your kid all you want to shit happens in life.
The best thing you can do is raise a kid.
Not I'm not talking about like educationally smart a fucking
just a kid with some common sense situationally, you are way
too fucking drunk. I'm not getting in the car with
you or like they go to a lake orsomething like that.
And I'm like, bro, I'm not fucking jumping off the side.

(32:25):
I just, you know, drank fucking 8 beers.
I'm going to die down there. Just educating your kids
hopefully to not drink 8 beers. Once again, don't really get on
like we don't talk about weed because me and my daughter just
started having these discussionsbecause she has to know what
these stuff this stuff is. And you're like, oh, 11 year old
shouldn't shouldn't know about that.

(32:46):
Well, unfortunately if you don'tteach your kids about this,
another kid who does not have good parenting at home is going
to expose your child to it with no fucking information at all.
And then they literally control your child's perception of sad
thing. So whether that's fucking sex,
whether that's drugs, whatever, if you do not like at least

(33:08):
fucking, you know, talk to him about it, then the person who
exposes to it, and God forbid it's another fucking adult.
Because if it's like a touchy subject that they know about,
but, you know, their parents don't talk about it, as soon as
that motherfuckers like, well, yeah, I think you're old enough
to talk about this. Yeah.
That's fucked up and that's listening hires man for for

(33:30):
fucking pedophiles, but also tooI have AI think I think we have
more of a disdain because we hadto go up against the
motherfuckers, you know, and like when we were becoming
teenagers trying to date other teenage girls.
Fucking 25 year old guy. He's just got like the fucking
mustache or the douchebag line that was real big.
The fucking just a little littlechin strap were the fucking flat

(33:51):
hats, the God damn tap out T-shirts.
So the craziest thing was like those guys weren't like anything
to write home about. They were just older, like they,
they weren't good looking guys like.
They fucking they had all this shit and you're like, man, he's
so rich. No, you'll go to a circuit, pay
one day and you'll be like, whoa, you work here.
God damn. They must pay a lot of money.
And it's like, Nah, you're just poor and also a child.

(34:12):
So if I pull out $89.00, you're going to be like, fuck, he's
loaded. If I pull out $89.00 in front of
another 25 year old woman, she'sgoing to be like oh.
He's broke. Yeah, he doesn't have a lot of
money before that pull that he pulls that out to a 14 year old
kid. She's like, whoa, he's rich.
You know, I'm saying, so I don'tknow, man, why the fuck are

(34:33):
people just they're nasty. But I think I think a big
portion of that too is, is how kind of like back in that day,
we had like all the the movies like the fucking like the hot
for teacher shit and shit like that, where it was OK for like a
boy, you know, if he's 15 years old and there's a fucking 30

(34:56):
year old woman, good, good job, champ.
And that fucking that hurt the whole thing of, hey, an adult
should never fucking talk to a child.
Like if you're a 30 year old woman and you're talking to my
14 year old kid, I'm going to fuck you up.
Like I'm going to give you thesegoddamn hands, all right?
And look just just as equally asI would give it to a man, all

(35:17):
right, just a sword. I'm not going to take any point,
you know, saying I believe in equality always.
I like to say fuck I forgot whatI like to say but.
I think the hard part is is likeduring.
Like gender neutral, their gender neutral hands.
That's pretty good though, right?
That is I, I think The thing is,is like at that age when kids

(35:42):
are becoming their own, you know, coming into their own,
like between 13 and 18, they think they're grown.
Like, and I did and then you didand everybody else does it.
Like you think your parents are dumb.
You think you know everything about the world.
You're going to like show them. And so then when you see
somebody, most of the time it's an immature dude that's like
praying on young girls, but like.

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Not even immature, just a nasty fuck.
Yeah, a nasty fucking dude. But like, I mean, they, they
didn't get out of like, they're still trying to be in high
school. Yeah.
They're still like, they're still like partying with the
kids down there. Like the 16 year olds were like
going, bro, you know, come to myfucking truck.
So. That's where they can be cool
because they weren't cool, you know, likely when they were
going through high school, they weren't the cool kid.
They those people have moved on and like actually grew the fuck

(36:25):
up, whereas like the ones that weren't that popular weren't
that now they can be the one because they can buy alcohol or
cigarettes. They felt like they didn't have
an identity because like, they were like smart kids who always
kept their heads down and they're, you know, they're doing
well in life. It's just the fucking the kid
who want and he's like, well, you know, I can't be, you know,
this group. I can't be this group.
I can't be this group, you know what I'm saying?

(36:46):
So then they try to go for the instead of just fucking with
people, man. That's the best part too, is
people like especially from Trinity, they'll be like, you
know, Michael's really popular and I would fight people.
And that did have a lot to do with like the popularity.
But I also like I'm fucking stupid for I am living with my

(37:07):
brothers now, which so I have more like freedom to do shit And
and that in essence does like create like a cool oppression.
But like the the fucking kid in class who I know comes to the
car shop and plays Yuga. I fucked with that kid like I
fucked with the skateboarder people I fucked with.
And it was just like I didn't like I didn't identify and I
didn't try to. I wasn't just because I'm
sitting out there hanging out with skateboarders, like to like

(37:30):
the people I was talking about, they got into the argument,
yeah, about the yeah, about the PlayStation, all those, they're
all skateboarders and we all that's who I would mainly hang
out with. Not a singular point was I like,
I want to get on a skateboard orI want to wear Vans.
No point. I was like, no, that's not I
don't do that stuff. And guess what?
They were like, OK, Mike's cool.Mike doesn't skateboard, but
Mike's cool. Well, that's how my school was

(37:52):
is there was like also it was tiny.
So like there was literally every from preps to like goth
kids and then like the, I don't know, in like movies they call
them like the undesirables, likeeverybody, just like if there's
a party going on, everybody cameand everybody.
Was cool for the best though. That's what that's what I'm
saying. That's essentially kind of like

(38:12):
what I was. And honestly we were because we
we just partied. Also, we just didn't give a
fuck. Like we weren't coming somewhere
to like create drama or anythinglike that.
Did not give a fuck about drama.And now you have.
A party to steal your fucking girl and shit like that.
Like we were just fucking existing.
And that was the best thing too,man, Because when you got

(38:34):
somebody who like doesn't fit inand they're OK with it, then bro
just fucking existing and hanging out is you learn to love
yourself. Like you ever see a fat guy
that's just like, bro, he's coolwith it.
He doesn't even give a fuck. Honestly, if you were like, bro,
I think you're unhealthily fat. He'd be like, what?
Nah, man, I'm I'm OK, Like that guy's just he's, he's fucking,

(38:54):
he loves himself. And that's a good thing to, you
know, that's a good thing to have.
God damn. We went off on a long one.
Oh, yeah. Just a sentence off a sentence.
Just a just a I'm learning how to be a better husband and dad.
You're already good enough, brother.
You're already good enough. As long as you're trying.
As long as that's right. As long as you're trying.

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I just can't stop killing them. There's like, oh, fuck, I didn't
read that. Whoa, wait a minute.
We. Got to readjust this.
All right, title. I'm a motorcycle rider.
They're coming. Dear Mike and Dylan, I am a
motorcycle rider and I'm offended about what you said
about us. We are good people who just want
to go out and have fun. Let us go out and die happy and
in peace as we are flying through the air the 100 miles an

(39:36):
hour. Because of your comments, I will
no longer be listening to your podcast.
You guys are a couple of assholes.
I'm just kidding. I already knew it was kind of
like that. Let us go out and fly.
I was like, I'm just kidding. I love the podcast and I agree
with everything you said about the majority of riders and I
don't think it's the majority. No, it's a couple of assholes.
It's in every group. But also, once again, I said we

(39:56):
don't notice the guys who are just, we noticed the guys who
were fucking zigzagging in traffic because we're just like
damn idiot. Most people look at me like a
heathen even though I obey traffic laws and do everything I
can to stay safe. It is my responsibility to make
sure I don't get hurt. I do feel people should be on
the lookout for motorcycles and help out where possible, but the
fact is motorcyclists are morons, me included.

(40:18):
Why would we get on to why wouldwe get on the 2 wheel death
machine? I'm a moron and I'm like that's
why I would never get on A2 wheel death machine.
I do have a funny story. So much fun.
Yeah, motorcycles. I do have a story about that
though. Anyways, I love the rambles and
both podcasts keep them coming. I look forward to watching you
guys. Achieves fuck, achieve success.
Well, you got the rambles in this one for sure.
Oh, definitely. So the God, I mean, I just once

(40:42):
again, when I tell these stories, I talk about, you know,
blackface and Civil War reenactments and shit like that.
It just sounds, it sounds so funny, man.
But just where I came from and where I wanted to be created
this like it's just such a duality.
I was always like, you know, I want to be better than this.
I don't know how, you know, I don't want to be, you know,
where I came from. I want to be better.

(41:04):
I don't know how. And it's gotten me into all of
these fucking just goofy situations.
But also I I'm surrounded by just the fucking.
I can't, I can't really get a grasp on reality because of how
crazy shit is. So both of my brothers, even the
good one, and a majority of my, you know, people I would call my

(41:28):
friend. Group. 10 years ago, yeah,
before my daughter was born. They are all in a motorcycle
gang. Oh, nice.
Do you want to know the only thing that's missing?
They don't have motorcycles. None of them, not a single one
has a motorcycle and they are a motorcycle club and I'm just

(41:48):
like what do y'all just like go in the back South Park?
Like yeah, like they're just like no, they just get a conga
line. It's not even the South Park.
At least those guys were on the bikes doing it Just like a
fucking are they just like congaline and and bro, I'll see them
threaten people with said motorcycle club and I'm like,
dude, if you're going to walk upon my yard like you're going to

(42:09):
do a walk by little jog by like what the fuck is going to
happen? I don't understand.
And of course, when you have andlisten, if they were like doing
nefarious shit, I would be on there a lot more about it, but
generally they seem OK. They do threaten people.
Then we'll get the club on them guys.

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Do they do charity stuff too? Yeah, they do.
They actually do. That's the cool thing you said
Doo Doo. Yeah, I do.
I say Doo Doo so much they but they do like weird charity stuff
and like 16 people show up and I'm just like, I'll never go,
I'll never go. You could be.
Admitted into the motorcycle gang and never have to ride a
motorcycle. Yeah, I could.
And they, they talk about and it's just, I know they watched

(42:51):
Sons of Anarchy and they were touched by it.
That's all. I know that's what happened.
And listen, it's cool. I love the office.
I don't claim to be a paper salesman, OK, I didn't start a
paper salesman gang. None of that shit.
You think? I love Breaking Bad.
I never cooked meth, I love Nardo.
I never tried to become a ninja.Listen so.
Wait, did they start the motorcycle club after like Sons
of Anarchy? They would not admit it, but I'm

(43:13):
just like this like because. That was a good show up until
they killed off. I'm one of my favorite
characters. I so when I met Amy, she got
pregnant. I moved up to Lexington.
They all stayed towards the HighPoint, Archdale, Trinity area.
So there was like a disconnect and I wasn't hanging around as
much too. Because I'm like, you know, I'm
trying to stop doing bad shit inmy life.

(43:34):
They're doing bad shit. So I don't want to.
I love them. The only time they talk to me is
when they want money. But I'm still going to keep up
with them. We're still, you know, all
friends on Facebook. I, I love them.
Like I said, I don't like them, but I love them.
And then I just see like stuff that was happening.
So this was back when me and my dad, I'm using air quotes.

(43:54):
When I still called him dad, I went to this fucking thing that
he had. It was at the start of the cult
church, but he had it outside, so it didn't feel as culty.
It's still kind of culty, but God, we got to get into the cult
church. Shit.
One day we'll post some shit about it on Reddit.
But I go down there for this cookout that they're having.

(44:16):
Several funny things happened atthis cookout, several funny
things guy. And I was just like, look,
obviously I have, I am outgrowing.
And I, you see people say, you know, don't forget where you
came from. And that's a, that's really
good. If you're like, hey, you know,
be humble. You see a guy struggling,
understand? Like he's struggling.
He has his own fucking problems.That's what they mean.

(44:36):
Don't it's not like you guys aredoing drugs and y'all are weird
and y'all have a motorcycle gang.
I don't want to like hang around, you know what I'm
saying? This is not my establishment.
You don't have to stay there. Right.
We're at a cold church. I don't want to just like, you
know, be around here. So I'm there and I get there.
My dad has on a motorcycle jacket, my brother has on a

(44:58):
motorcycle jacket and there's other guys there with motorcycle
jackets. So I was just like, fuck, were
we dressing up for this? Because nobody told me because I
would have fucked Amy. Amy gets into that shit.
I'd have been a whole like a whole bike out of look.
She would have made a whole likeJean jacket jacks, fucking
ensemble jacks from Sons of Anarchy ensemble for me and I
would have fucking shined on youbitches and nobody told me.

(45:22):
And then they start explaining it and I'm just like, but none
of y'all own motorcycles. Like aren't you scared that
these guys are going to be like,well, these guys don't like own
a motorcycle? And it was like, well, yeah,
none of them. None of those guys do either.
One guy does. I think he's the president.
So I guess if shit goes down, they just all hop on his
motorcycle. Like what I?
Assume like a Clown cover, yeah.So I just like sitting there and

(45:44):
I'm you know, I'm not going to Idon't know these guys that I'm
hanging around. I don't want to insult them.
So I was just like, man, you know what a show I just started
watching that I fucking love sons anarchy and boy, God just
lit up live. The whole place lit up.
It was just it was imagine just I don't know.
I'm imagine the guy who made penicillin and then walked into

(46:07):
the fucking hospital where all those kids are dying and all
those parents are watching theirkids die and he just fucking
starts ejecting 11 by 1 an hour the the kids come back and how
happy those parents must have been.
That's what I mean. That's those guys.
They were just it honestly, it was beautiful to see.
The passion brought a little tear to my eye, but it confirmed

(46:27):
what I had suspected is that, you know, they watched Sons of
Anarchy and they were like, wow,Yellowstone came out and they
started growing beards and shit and the long hair and like, bro,
I swear to God, they they match whatever's really cool onto.
They're like, fuck, man, I want to be a like a cowboy rancher,
even though it's like, I watchedYellowstone and I was like, man,

(46:52):
this really feels like rich people saying like fuck you to
poor, which is a fucking stupid concept because anybody who
watches that show is like, but Ilove those guys.
They right, bro? No, it's like, you know, the
poor people are shit and us trying to do this family
business, we're cutthroat dogs and you're like, man, that's so
cool. Which is what fucking big
companies do to motherfuckers. Now you don't say that shit's

(47:12):
cool, man. If there was somebody with a
farm, they were like, we're cutthroat.
We're going to fucking take thisguy's farm away.
I'm like, y'all are the villain,I need to die.
It's like Breaking Bad where Walter's the bad guy.
And then also another little thing that happened was this
random, there was 1 black guy there, but another black guy
showed up. I don't know if I want to say

(47:33):
this on the podcast right now. I don't know what could legally
happen, but he walks up and somewords were exchanged where I was
just like like he's talking to my dad and his wife and I was
just it. I was confused.
I was like what y'all got going on?

(47:55):
That's I was I was just like man, I got I couldn't wait to
get home. I could not wait to get home.
I had my daughter with me too. Oh geez.
Yeah, I was just you got to teach them.
Yes, you gotta be like, look at everything is not chicken
Nuggets and macaroni and cheese.This is why you need to eat all
of your food because some people, they don't get to eat
all their food. OK.

(48:15):
And listen, like I said, I triedto be superhero for them a lot.
Dylan knows I was hanging arounda lot of not good people
recently too. Not like, you know, terrible
people that were fucking doing gang violence.
Just weren't doing much. They they didn't have jobs,
weren't doing anything. And I was like becoming lazy and
shit like that too. And that's just, that's

(48:37):
something you don't want to do. Like you, you don't want to
associate yourself with that. Like I said, it's OK to see
somebody struggling and be like,I understand your struggle.
But when my brother posts everyday about his struggles and
he lives in a house where he doesn't have rent, does drugs
and doesn't want to fucking worklike the you can't, you can't
feel bad. Now I'm just now learning that
is that you can't be someone superhero.

(48:58):
If you fucking repeatedly show up to save someone, they're
never going to learn how to savethemselves.
So yeah. And in all actuality, they can
save themselves, but it's just they they haven't had to yet.
And so they they continue to live off somebody.
This one says I shit my pants ona perfect first date.

(49:20):
Man shit my pants on a perfect first date.
I 33 male, got out of got out ofa 13 year relationship last
year. It's been so long since I was
last single and the dating game has changed so much that it's
been quite an adjustment. Honestly, everybody's freaks
now. Like super freaks.
Freaky freaks. Well, and it's all on an app.

(49:40):
And yes, you don't even date. Like she might have liked it.
She was like, oh, scat stuff. I mean, I haven't tried it, but
I mean we could do it. I recently met a 30 year old
woman by chance. When we hit it off, we've been
texting constantly and there's been a great connection.
I asked her if she wanted to go to dinner and then to a concert
afterwards and she agreed. She mentioned how much she likes
seafood so I took her to a really nice restaurant near us.

(50:00):
We both got crab legs and I got extra butter.
Look, fuck Mr. Beast. OK?
I want to say fuck, Mr. Beast, because my kids think that I
have money and it's terrible when you have no money.
And I'm like, listen, look, you do content creation, so you

(50:21):
should be rich. I'm like, no, no, no, I do
content creation. That's why I'm poor.
Like, it's the opposite. It's like the opposite.
Yeah. Those guys got in when the money
was good, and I'm in when the money's not good.
There's no money here, no money to be found.
Where's the money? I don't know.
It's not here. Still looking for it.
But we'll go to, like, Ocean View.
We went there like last month. Yeah.
She was like, oh, can we get some crab legs?

(50:41):
I was like, oh, let me look $45.00.
No, I was like, no, no 45, do you know what your mom would do
to me? Girl?
We got to stick to like 27 bucksmaximum because I got like $6 in
my pocket to tip a waitress. Like bro, because you did 27,
you do the little 3. And then the I hate tipping
culture, man. I hate it.

(51:02):
But and then big companies will be like, well, we'll only pay
them $3.00 an hour if you don't do it.
And I was like, what the fuck, man?
Yeah, now there's no win on that.
No win I. Started to tip people that were
like, like when I'd pick up orders during COVID because like
they weren't getting people coming in.
And then like, I almost feel like it's obligated still and

(51:24):
I'm just like, this isn't right.Like during COVID it made sense.
You get that look and then you get that like that, like I'm
just picking it up. Yeah, The guys who are cooking
the food, they did the work. Yeah, literally did all the
work. They do not get tips.
No. So I am sorry that you had to
stand up here and say hey, and then do this to an iPad.
I'm not. I'm sorry you don't.
I'm sorry if I go sit down somewhere and dine, yes.

(51:47):
Like even still like it shouldn't have to be that way.
Like they should pay them a living wage so that if you tip
it's a literal tip, not that's their fucking money.
To live sucking ass bro yes, like and I know what it when we
were young man, it felt like if you wanted to be a waiter
somewhere, you had to be good. Like you had to be smart.
You had to have a fucking memoryand like be fucking a put

(52:08):
together person. I Remember Me trying to get
fucking waiter East Coast wings.And I was a good looking guy
when I was younger. Fuck, good look on the red.
I was a good looking guy. And then they heard me talking
shit and they were like, you will be crazy.
You ain't in the army right now,robot, and we're going to have
you in the back. Yeah, you know, busting shit.
But now they just let anybody doit, OK?
Back in the day, you couldn't sit down at a restaurant without

(52:30):
just a baddie. Even guys, man, I'll be like,
God damn, where'd you find this guy?
But I am, I am not as beautiful because he got all the fucking
beauty. Like, that's what, that's what
it felt like. Now they just send anybody up
and this person will be like, oh, So what do you want?
I'm like, what's the specialist?I was at home.
No, you got a menu right there. I'm like.

(52:51):
And then if I don't tip people like fucking with this guy.
Cheapskate. Wow.
God, we off. That's Mike and Dylan hate
drawer. Yeah, Mike and Dylan hate drama.
Have we fucked that up yet on any of the podcasts?
You did say You did say 2 baddies judging daddies though.
Oh, I've said that 100 times. It's so hard.
We picked the hardest names thatdon't float, MADHD does.

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Dinner went great, we were laughing our asses off and the
conversation was so easy. It was then time to go to the
concert. We ended up seeing a well known
band so the crowd was huge. We were right smack dab in the
middle of the crowd during the show when the butter came back
with full force. My stomach was in knots and I
knew I was in the fight for my life.
I excused myself and I told her I would be back and started

(53:35):
making my long and arduous journey through the crowd.
As I feel it coming. My politeness wore off and I was
practically shoving people out of the way.
By the time I got through the crowd I was covered in sweat and
hurriedly walking like I had cactuses up my ass.
I finally made it to the bathroom and as I was opening
the door my ass couldn't hold itanymore.
I shit my pants. No, even worse, I diarrhea in my

(53:55):
pants. Oh God.
I got into a stall and cleaned myself off in the inside of my
jeans the best I could, but there was no playing this off.
To be blunt, it looked like a war crime had taken place.
I threw my underwear away and walked out of the bathroom and
texted my day. I was sick and needed to leave.
We drove separately since she was on call that night for work
so I figured it would be fine. She replied to my text with a

(54:15):
the dreaded K. That was Friday night, Saturday
and Sunday. She barely responded to my texts
at all then. And this morning, Monday, she
finally said she thought it was rude that I left without saying
goodbye. I apologize profusely.
And then I lied and told her that the crab made me nauseous
and I didn't think I could make it back to her without throwing
up all over the crowd. She seemed to buy it and the
conversation turned warm and pleasant again.

(54:38):
I feel kind of guilty for lying even though it's not that much
of A lie. Replaced vomit with diarrhea and
might come out to. Definitely did come out and it's
the same story since. Since things have since OK since
then things have been pleasant again.
Should I keep up the lie and take my Shard attack to the
grave with me or should I eventually come clean?
I guarantee you that night, if you would have, if you had sent

(55:02):
her a text message like girl, I just shit the fuck out of my
mind trying to make it to this bathroom, you'd have got pussy
that night, bro. Probably you would have gotten
pussy that night. Like I don't know what it is
about. I understand like people have
like you have standards of people, but all those standards
are based off of fake people that you see on social media on
movies and shit like that. People are people.

(55:23):
People understand shit happens. Literally like if you don't
think she's ever not pooped a little bit in her pants,
especially being a woman pissed herself, God damn they and I'll
just think about how women are like they are not.
Well, I mean, every month, like if they're not like right on
time, they have, yeah. They have so a woman especially
understands shit happens. So, for instance, the night that

(55:48):
me and Amy had are, you know, first date, once again, she was
just broken up with a woman she was with for nine years.
And, you know, she's my boss. And I'm like trying to lay on
the the charm, the charm. And I go to pee beside the gas
station and a cop pulls up. So I stick my weenie back in my
pants, my old gooby gooby back in my pants alone a little bit

(56:10):
too quickly. And I got a big old piss stain.
I got in the car and I was like,God damn, cop got a big old piss
stain on my pants now. And she just started dying
laughing. And she thought it was the
funniest shit ever because of pee.
Pee all over myself. Yeah, and I even did the whole
I'm still in my dirty old PS pants.
Like I said that as we were going down the road fucking
killed. So I'm telling you man, if you
were just honest about it, your night would have went a lot

(56:32):
better. Also, depending on what show you
go to, and I've noticed this too, the harder the music, the
more you could have stuck out the door and be like fucking
shit my pants. I'm on a first date and some a
guy would have just been like ohfuck, here's my pants, take mine
bro. I'll just be in my boxer.
I wore 2 pairs of basketball shorts.
I sort like, I went to a concert, a Breaking Benjamin

(56:52):
concert, and I swear to God, everybody there was just like
the most douchebagiest people I'd ever met ever.
OK. And then I go to Carolina
Rebellion where Breaking Benjamin's playing and I was
just like, you know, my brother-in-law, what he wants to
see. Breaking Benjamin also too, he
was like real wary of like getting in a mosh pit and stuff.

(57:12):
And I'm like, it's not like people aren't fucking punching
you in the face. It's not going to happen.
Like you see those stupid littlethat's that's just their shit.
And those guys, even at like bigger shows won't do that.
But he was like, you know, I'm really wary of a mosh pit.
So I was like, OK, well, let's go to Breaking Benjamin a little
early so we can, because I wanted to see in this moment,
but he wanted to. So we left in this moment early

(57:35):
to go see Breaking Benjamin. So we get up to this one part
and, you know, people are like packing in.
Like, man, I was like, we're real close, aren't we?
I was like, yeah, we're in the mosh pit.
And they start playing and they like, they're playing like, it's
not the first ones at GreensboroColiseum.
This one's just at a festival. They're playing like smells like
Teen Spirit, shit like that. And I was like, wow, this is way
fucking better. Well, you're in it and like,

(57:57):
you're getting like sweaty and shit like that.
And I smoke and I was like, man,you know, I felt like I couldn't
breathe. And I was like fucking heaven.
And I was like, fuck, you know, I was sitting there like a
little bit worried and like, they fucking just like it was
like, oh, yeah, I think this guy's having like a fucking
panic detection. And he was like, yeah, we all
get in here, man. It gets hot and stuff.
Yeah, we know. I was like, fuck, people fan of
me and shit. And I was like, look at this.
These are my people. Well, that's how when I was in

(58:21):
my mom's stomach before I was born, she went to a Grateful
Dead concert. And like, even though it's not
like a mosh pit at like BreakingBenjamin or anything, like
people still like crowd up and get.
And so my mom was, I don't know,probably like 5 or 6 months
pregnant. And the Hell's Angels were there
'cause they rode around with the, with the dead a lot.

(58:42):
And so my dad and mom were thereand the Hell's Angels just
formed a circle around my mom. Like, no, you don't fucking come
close to this lady cause I was, she was pregnant with me.
And so like it. It's one of those things where
motorcycle clubs are like roughnecks, but also they're
like. But they'll do shit like that,
man. You'll be like, man, that's
really nice. And they'll be like, yeah, this
one guy who jabbed out his fucking eyeballs and they sweet

(59:04):
fucking fed it to his God damn. Well, he probably was a shit
person too. Yeah, I mean, I get it, but it's
it's rough. And I understand the like
concept and all these like gangsand communities and you know,
I'm saying just fucking biker shit.
All that shit came out of peoplecoming together to actually
protect themselves from something else.

(59:25):
Bloods and Crips, whether you like it.
Or not. America back in the fucking, you
could say like today racism is blown out of proportion.
Back in the fucking 60s, bro, 70s, that shit, they still had
fucking segregated goddamn waterfountains a black guy couldn't
fucking go to. So police back then were

(59:45):
especially brutal. So they fucking, you know, form
and community to protect themselves.
Poor white people did it too. And then, you know, you have all
these different like whether they're all motorcycles or
they're fucking, you know what I'm saying, have bandanas, It's
no different. They all started to protect
themselves and then at some point they were just like and

(01:00:06):
now. We sell drugs.
Yeah. And now we sell drugs
essentially because they're like, you know, we're now we
need money to like, you know, feed the community.
Well, you know, we don't want todo it, but we'll, we'll start,
we'll start getting into the guntrade.
And I was like, well, bro, theseMexicans from fucking like right
down the road don't like you doing that.
Now they're threatening to kill your family.
And you're like, fucking now I got a like handle.

(01:00:26):
These Mexicans are like, you know, you know, and then you
want to get more guns, but the Mexicans are trying to stop you
from getting guns. So now you got to get into
drugs. So you have more money than the
Mexicans. And the next thing you know,
you're just like, I'll kill every fucking body.
That's pretty much how they are.That's also another show that I
wanted to do. It's like, you know, two friends
and they're from like a really fucking rough part of town.
It's not rough. So essentially they have like a

(01:00:48):
where they're at. It's a bunch of like Ukrainian
businesses, but it's not really Ukrainian.
They're like, fucking like. Just show companies.
No, they're, they're, they're Russians and they're real
fucking like, like they're the bad type of Russian mafia type
people. So the guys there that work at
the fuck, it's like a fuck. What is it called?

(01:01:09):
A Not a fabric mill. What the fuck is it called?
Text textile. Yeah.
So they work at a textile mill and they form that like a little
posse to kind of protect themselves from these like,
Russian guys because they're, they actually like, kill people
in the community. Obviously cops do it because
they have all the money too. And it's actually based in West

(01:01:29):
Virginia. That's where I was like, oh, the
show could be from here. I always come up with stupid
shows that will never see the light of day because fuck.
But they will one one day. But yeah, essentially that's
like their little thing too, is that, you know, they're starting
it and and at first it's like it's like a really, I'm not
going to say lighthearted. They have to do some like crazy

(01:01:50):
things in the beginning. But as like the show progresses,
it gets like more and more dreary.
And where it was like 2 best friends that started it, one of
them has a fucking problem. Like he is like now that you
know, it's kind of coming to be the shit that he's doing.
It's a it's a lot easier for himthan it is the other friend.
And the other friend is kind of like recognizing that we're
doing the same thing that they just turning into.

(01:02:12):
Yeah, we were. Doing the same thing that they
were doing to us. So that's a really cool just
dynamic of how people handle shit like that too.
But when I think about these things, I do like to like at
least try to get, if not the plot down, something down to
remember it by. But I was like, man, I feel like
it's too close to Breaking Bad. Yeah, I mean, I mean.

(01:02:34):
They don't mean like cancer. They're like they're trying to
protect themselves from a game. But I mean, story structures,
that's one of the hardest parts is like, I mean, most stories
have been done and you can change the characters and the
and the reason like the call to action that gets them started
down that line. But like they're, they're like
we're predisposed to like a story in a certain structure, so

(01:02:56):
it doesn't matter. Like yes, it is very similar to
Breaking Bad, but it it's the dynamics between the characters
and all that. So the thing with Walter is, is
that he was always like that. He just never had.
He was never in that opportunityto kind of show his true colors,
which is essentially like the bad character, but he is like

(01:03:16):
the bad character. Ideally what I would look for in
that is to have like a like a Shane and Rick from The Walking
Dead kind of dynamic, not where he like fucked his wife or
anything like that, but where it's like, you know, he's toeing
the line between that's his bestfriend.
He kind of got him in there. He's like trying to correct the
ship. And as he's like trying to

(01:03:36):
correct everything, it's exponentially getting worse to
where, you know, towards the series finale, it does come to a
head. You always have to have like
multiple dynamics in a show. People hate Skylar.
Skylar is there to create a almost like a like a little
pseudo boss for for Walter, likeyou know how he has like, you
know fucking. Yeah.

(01:04:02):
Just draw a blank fucking the the guy from the chicken store,
all right? Or any of the Salamancos?
Says it starts with AG, doesn't it?
Gus, Gus. Ring Yeah, I don't know, I just
drew a fucking blank on there and I've washed so like 3 times.
But Skylar's there because if Walter was Walter 100%, like if
he was just out to go sell drugsand then he got back and Skylar

(01:04:23):
was cool with it, There is no, there's nothing in the show that
gives you that. He's going to like she's going
to catch him or like it creates another dynamic outside of the
just obviously selling drugs canget in trouble with the law
dynamic where everything's not fun because then the show is not
fun anymore. So you do have to have like the
multiple dynamics and shit like that to keep something
interesting, especially in ATV show.

(01:04:43):
Which is why I wouldn't want to do ATV show, just a movie.
I. Always wonder how they write the
TV shows like that are out just because like each year you're up
for renewal. Like each year you don't know
whether you're going to continuethis or not.
And so like every single series always ends with a cliffhanger.
But like when they started Season 1, did they expect to go

(01:05:05):
to Season 5? Like did they?
A lot of shows, so a lot of shows they do you know, the
pilot and then back in the day, I don't know how it is now, they
would pick up the pilot and thenthey would be like, OK, you have
this amount of whatever and it normally be like, you know, 8 to

(01:05:25):
blank episodes. Now season could be like 30
episodes. And what they would do is like
film 10 because what you would do is now if you like do like a
weekly thing. And these are like more of the
like in studio sitcoms that you can fucking.
Crank. Out.
Yeah, you can crank out SO when when you're releasing it every
week now you got, you know, a 10week period, an 8 week period,
however you did the first allotment for and you know, by

(01:05:47):
the other, like what other showsare getting.
Because what you're always goingto do is you're always going to
put that show on right. At any time you debut a new
show, it doesn't matter what dayit's going to actually air on.
You always debut it after the best show that you have, which
is a thing that the streaming services don't have right now.
If a show is shit and nobody fucks with that show, they don't
know they're they're going to send it out and be like, do you

(01:06:08):
like it? Nope.
All right. So they don't know other fucking
networks. They could be like, OK, like
Netflix would have to be like, we need the full thing because
it just goes on on there at once.
Well, yeah, so they. Usually just have like a smaller
production. For I'm not talking about per
season, I'm talking about like, you know.
How they work the show? Yeah.
Well, you always, you always write the show to where you want

(01:06:30):
the the show to be. It's like My Name is Earl.
It it goes good until it doesn't.
And normally it goes good until the conclusion because there's a
lot more swinging misses than there are good shows.
So you typically know if you have a good show.
The thing like where you get into those rare instances of My
Name is Earl is another executive had started at NBC or

(01:06:55):
wherever it was. And then the guy who created it,
because he, no, he wasn't the one that's also created 2 1/2
man, but he might have been, I don't fucking know.
But he, they, the show was up for renewal.
It was either they wanted more money or something.
I forgot what it was. It was still the, it was the

(01:07:17):
most watched show on their channel at that time.
My Name is Earl didn't fucking get cancelled because nobody
watched it. It just stopped.
Yeah, just died. Well, they just didn't make a
new deal for it. So something had happened and
then he had finally came back and was like, OK, we're good
with that. And they were like, oh, well,
the deal's off the table. We have another show filled in

(01:07:38):
the slot. And then they just, but that's
they essentially the fucking back then.
They had so much money, they didn't care.
Yeah. Like, well, because they owned
the distribution, like they werethe only place that you could go
to get that show and then it come out on DVDs or whatever.
But like, it wasn't like now where you've got 42 different
streaming services and each of them have their own originals

(01:07:58):
and all this other craziness that's.
Right. You got to think that gets split
between, you know, allotted their money gets allotted
through, you know, fucking everysingle movie that they have, TV
show that they have. So it's just a lot like when
Squid Games came out and they'relike, you know, this net Netflix
made $300 million. I said hell, like I get that
many people signed up, but thinkabout all the other shit that's

(01:08:20):
on Netflix too. I just, I don't understand it.
It might be where all this shit is set up like Uber, where it
doesn't have to be financially viable now till you run all the
taxis out of town and then you charge what the fuck ever you
want. And you're kind of seeing that
now with the streaming services because each streaming service

(01:08:42):
is kind of like its own little pseudo monopoly because we have
this, we know a lot of people like this.
So we have all these different things.
It's not like cable where, hey, you got a package that has the
fucking channels on it. You're going to be able to watch
your show what you want. It might not be, you know, HBO
might be in a like a slightly tier.
Yeah. But it's not like you can't get
this shit now. You got to pay $15 over here, at

(01:09:06):
least $14.00 over here, $21.00 over here.
If you want to watch the shows that you love, the movies that
you love, which I mean shout outfucking.
You know, Amazon doesn't do a lot of good shit, but Amazon
prime, you can get any movie for299.
So that is a fucking good thing.But if you like ATV show, bro,
like you got to fucking if you like this TV show and you like a
different TV show that came fromtwo different networks and now

(01:09:28):
they got their own streaming platforms because you cut the
cable, which I I got to say is the best marketing strategy I've
ever seen implemented because they were just like cut the
cable. We're cutting the cable
everything, you know, fucking watch what you want, when you
want, fucking rewind it. Well, that's when Netflix was
like the king. There was no other real
streaming platforms and. That might be them all though.

(01:09:49):
That's just because, like I said, it just I don't know, I
don't understand. Maybe it's well, they have ads
now. I guess that's how they make,
but back then you got to think they didn't have that and they
were charging extremely cheap prices with no ads.
I was just like, how the fuck islike Squid Games?
How'd that make them $300 million?
Did enough, Pete, because at that point too, you had the free

(01:10:10):
sign up. So it wasn't like they were
going to make that either. But once again, if you fucking,
you come out with something and hey, it's cheap and you don't
have to make the money right now.
Look, it's it's so cheap. Everybody come along and then
you start gradually raising themprices and then fucking cables
almost dead. I mean, it's dying.

(01:10:30):
People still do have cable. But even if you go back to
cable, you're going to be like, fuck, I don't want to deal with
these 5 minute fucking commercials and shit like that.
We were at the hospital with Oliver fucking.
We watch SpongeBob. He was like, I come back from
the bathroom. He was like, dad, what the fuck
is up with these ads, man? 5, it was like 5 minutes of ads.
I was like, it's called commercials, but that's what it
used to be. Yeah.
You can't rewind, do nothing. So I mean, we are in a kind of

(01:10:52):
fucked standpoint with that. And it does suck, yeah.
Yeah, no, we, we have probably 4different services that we pay
for and I have the ad tiers for some of them because I'm not
going to pay for AD free for allof them.
Like the ones that they use all the time, like Netflix and
Disney are ad free. But like other than that, like
now, if you want to watch some random thing on Peacock or

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whatever other ones like no, we're not doing ad free and now.
Too So they fucking look man. And people are like, I don't
know, it's we are literally the product of our like our own
demise because we don't get mad at shit until shit is fucked.
Like we can't, we are unable to be like, oh, this is going to be

(01:11:37):
a problem. Let's kind of nip it in the bud,
because now you got to think with Stranger Things coming out,
it premieres the end of November, then the second-half
of the season is at the end of December, and then the finale is
on New Year's. See, you're not going to do that
fucking for free. Yeah.
Which now they only usually do like a week.

(01:11:57):
So I mean, you could wait until it all came out, but then
everybody. Talked about it.
Everybody talked about it. You're fucking late, bro.
You don't know nothing about theMonday Night Wars.
You're not cool. I just started watching this one
on Apple TV. It says it has three seasons.
It's called the Foundation. And I was like 03 seasons.
That'll give me some time to like get through it.

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And I got to the end of Season 2and then Season 3 hasn't come
out yet and I was like son of A.Bitch, I hate it right now.
What sucks man is I can't get into a fucking show.
Obviously I am waiting on Stranger Things that they did a
really good job. A lot of people were like, man,
season 5 is going to be crazy. Everybody's going to die.

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They have never killed a character that was not
introduced that season. So I don't think anybody's going
to die. Maybe if maybe they kill one
person and I don't even think it'd be like a big character,
you know, I don't think it's going to be one of the kids.
I don't think it's going to be Joy or Hopper.
I don't think it's they. If you kill Hopper again, bro,

(01:13:00):
that's the stupidest shit. You can't have a knock.
That was where they fucked up. Like imagine them doing all this
shit for, you know, for Hopper. I get it.
He's a great. I love the actor and he does
like I loved him being in seasonfucking 5 or 4.
So I mean it was hella dope. So but or well, he came back at

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the you know, fucking revealed himself at the end of season 4.
But if you go through that, it'slike what The Walking Dead did
with Glenn where they were like,ah, he's he's dead.
Which talk about show that fucking fell off the Cliff after
the second season. I was watching The Walking Dead
season 1 and two. I was like literally one of the
greatest shows in episodic series history.
Yeah, it was great. I.

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Could not believe the the cliffhangers were just so varied
the the multiple plot lines thatthey had ran so congruent and so
well. And then they they also had the
big plus of the threat of zombies, which also added to the
drama and the plot. But you have like this
overarching theme of a best friend who, you know, the wife

(01:14:05):
thinks you're dead, love Laurie or hater.
You don't know what you do in a fucking zombie apocalypse.
All right, You probably bang your best friends girl.
I'm sorry. You're going to you don't know
what the fuck you're going to do.
So you have that dynamic and then he comes back.
So you know, Shane's already falling in love with the woman.
He's all fucked up. And then you have that on top of
the zombies coming. Shane wants to be leader, Rick
wants to be leader. You have that dynamic.

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You have to like the little subplots and everything of, you
know, Shane going crazy, fuckingDale realizing at first and
then, you know, Maggie and Glennholds up like you have all these
different things. Herschel not wanting them to be
on the farm and it and it ran sowell.
And then they were like, oh, so the people like the drama part.

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And literally at the season, at the end of Season 2, when Shane
dies, they were like, this is now going to go into soap opera
territory. We're going to.
They were able to like weave kind of like the thread of
zombies and everything in there,which, listen, I understand
you're scared people are going to.
And you got to like up that. You don't have to.
There's been plenty of shows that's never up the fucking

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ante. Like, yeah, we don't have to end
with this big crescendo as long as you keep it interesting.
And what they did was it got more, it got too into the people
plot. We put the zombies aside.
Zombies were just like, oh bro, there's fucking thirteen of
these guys in a room where like fucking one of them was hard to
handle. Now there's 13 in room.
Fuck all these guys up. What's happening?
There's this new faction. Oh my God, we got to be.

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And it was just a drug out. It was very boring.
They got to a like a predictable.
I stopped at season. I want to say 4 and I think Amy
stopped at 6:00, but they just started going through this thing
of all right, we're focusing on a character.
Guess what's going to happen Dienext episode, focusing on
character, die next episode. And I was just like this is.

(01:15:53):
Yeah, I can't remember where I stopped watching.
I think it was slightly around when they killed off Glenn.
And I was like, OK, like, like II didn't stop watching it for
that. But that's when it started
getting bad. And I was like if I.
Did it's not a did he die? Oh my God, Glenn, where you got
No, he didn't. And then they they did the fake
death and then they did the almost death to the death.

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So by the time he died, it just doesn't have any gravity.
And literally you had no one else that he could kill that
would have gave that impact. Besides Maggie, who I believe
was she's pregnant at the time during that.
So that's rough. Which I mean, hey, that's shock.
Like it's a also they ended on on the cliffhanger of who he was

(01:16:38):
going to hit in the head, which that is cheap.
And don't even get me started onGame of Thrones ending because I
can't fucking I can't even process that shit.
Season 7 or season 6 got really or yeah, season 7 got really
rough. They started like fast traveling
places and shit where like when they were going somewhere, it
took a while. There was multiple episodes of

(01:17:00):
just traveling and then bro, if I wanted to be somewhere blink
of an eye. They did have Dragons, though,
so I try to reconcile that pretty fast ships.
All right, great joys were getting on that shit.
Uncle's running, running a tightship.
Maybe them bitches got faster. I was trying to keep along with
it. And then like season 8, imagine
you go through a big character arc of a villain.
You didn't watch it, right? No, I'm going to give you an

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example. Imagine just a terribly hated
character and slowly over time, they give you like bit by bit of
this guy, like doing doing things for others, like for
people thinking outside of obviously he's a product of his
father. Besides, you know, him fucking a
sister all the time. He's a product of his father and
his father wants to be essentially king with no right

(01:17:44):
to it. But he's a a rich man.
He's a fucking a Great War tactician.
OK. And then he breaks away from
that to like help out people andbe like, ah, fight for a bigger
cause. And then in two episodes, he's
like, fuck all that. I'm going back to my sister who
I was banging in as a bad personand fucking reverting on
everything. That's how that whole season

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went with like almost everybody's arc.
It was very terrible. I did think the funniest thing
that came out of that, though, was there What see, I love look
at me. He's I start talking about shit
I'm passionate about. You're fucking in for it.
But there was this YouTube channel and bless this guy's
heart. Understood.
I loved his videos. I loved his videos, but he went
into these deep meanings about everything that was going to

(01:18:26):
happen in season 8 and what doesthis mean and what does this
mean and what does this mean? He didn't know the absolute slot
that we were going to get that was, I mean, it was absolutely
terrible. The worst and like, you know,
you have this Daenerys from the beginning, you know she's
essentially a slave the first episode, you know her brother's
fucking sending her out to be married and shit and she does

(01:18:46):
all this thing about where she becomes this queen that like
hey, you know fucking it's there's people and people like
nobody cares about poor people. Nobody cares about slaves.
Nobody cares about they only care about people who have
money. And this is her whole character
is based around this and freeingpeople and shit like that.
And then for some reason she waslike, all right, well, she so

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the incest sister. She's like the essentially the
overarching bad villain of the whole show.
All right, She's the she's the main bad boss of the whole show.
It's not like any of the white walkers or none of that shit.
So Daenerys, the girl who freed all slaves is now going is now
up against her and decides that when they have the War One and

(01:19:37):
the soldiers are surrendering that she was going to be like
her grand pappy because her grandpa was the mad king.
Which honestly, I don't think throughout their little
bloodline it was a big thing. He was like one of the only ones
that fucking really turned mad. And you know, fucking people
have mental illnesses and shit. And sure, it passes along, but
within a blink of an eye was just like just started burning

(01:19:58):
all the fucking, all the people running, all those citizens,
fuck all the shit that she had done the whole thing just to be
like, oh, she was, Oh my God, because the Mad King and you
know, all that shit so completely ruined the whole
fucking show. And there's people that they'll
fucking, they'll defend that shit because I don't know.
So they had kind of led up to it.

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And I was like this. They led up to it.
Not at Season 7. In Season 8, in Season 8, that's
where everybody's like arcs change and everything like that.
The writers for that show, we'regoing to Star Wars.
That's why. They hurried it.
Up yeah, that's why you got thatsack of shit and then for some
reason wasn't allowed to do the Star Wars shit.

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So I mean that feels good. That feels good to like because
once you're in that position, here's the thing.
If me and you made a show and I like I do, I understand TV and
there's a lot of bad movies thatI'll talk about too that I
really fucking enjoy just because I'm able to separate
like fun from like being compelling.

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Like I I'm able to understand that people can have fun
watching something and then be compared like compelled to watch
something and then sometimes there's just garbage.
But what the fuck was I talking about before I was going to say
that. How they got let go or like how
they went to Star Wars? Yeah, like me and you make a
show, you have to understand if that show is loved, OK?

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People have invested. Invested.
And it sounds stupid, man. People go to work, and this is
people go to work 4060 hours a week, OK?
Imagine people who go to work, they're fucking and they're
excited because on Sunday the release of your show comes out
and then they do that for seven fucking years, technically six

(01:21:46):
years, because that's when the show was like supreme, like on
top of its game. And then it's like I said, it
started to fall off a little on 7, but it was they had still had
the compelling nature and you were able to stick behind it and
you're like, look, we can there's Dragons and shit and
fucking white walkers. I can suspend belief that, hey,
we got to get here kind of quickfor the sake of getting it out.
And then the 8th year, you know,everybody's been along, which it

(01:22:09):
was more than eight years, you know, I'm saying you're just
like, fuck all that shit, guys, we're going to go do another.
I would never do that. Like that's and that's where
people just they don't value AI think they just had a fucking a
banging source material. Yeah, they were able to get
ideas from the guy who made the source material.

(01:22:30):
Think that got a lot of credit, got a lot of credit.
And then, you know, fucking George RR Martin's like fucking
fucking around with the, like the last book and if he's going
to do it or not and shit like that.
And I think they were just like,all right, we're going to
fucking put this together and send it out.
And then I was like, ain't fucking touching Star Wars,
which apparently Star Wars has gone down for a lot of people.

(01:22:52):
Well, because they've they've tried to capitalize too much on
the. The franchise, like they've
tried to shoot it off into 100 different directions and like
honestly, it becomes hard to hear.
Do you watch Star Wars? I've watched some of them.
I'm not like a Star Wars like super fan or anything my
daughter wants to now do. I've not watched any Star Wars

(01:23:13):
and it's a thing that I have that it's hard to watch
something that you already know the ending to.
So watching the originals is really fucking hard because I
know the big thing that happens.But she wants to do that so.
Yeah, I mean, they're they're good stories though.
And like, especially because butit wasn't that technically.
I mean I heard that Star Wars isbasically like a reprising of

(01:23:35):
Dune like that. Yeah, So the Dune books, they
came out in the early 1900s. I'm pretty sure it came out
before Star Wars and it has Duneelements to it.
Yeah, which I mean, any sci-fi, like I was watching like the
Foundation, they a lot of the terminology and everything that
they use is like taken from, youknow, other shows and like

(01:23:55):
there's only so many ways, like a tiny little bot inside of you
is a nanobot. Like, which I actually think of
Big Hero 6 whenever they say nanobots because the little like
little Flappy. Have you watched Big Hero Six?
Yeah, that's like one of my favorite big marshmallow guy.
Yeah. Fucking dope and he makes it
like the little fucking nanobot.Man, that was one that like that

(01:24:16):
was a sleeper because like I wastoo old to watch it when it came
out, like and. Then you watch it with your kid
and you're like man banger. Yeah, super.
Like that's like one of my favorites.
And then having Homeboy from Fall Out Boy singing the songs
and stuff, I was like, oh, that's cool.
Yeah, what sucks is too is I fucking talked a lot on this
podcast, man, and the water's out but.

(01:24:38):
He didn't get. Water from last podcast because
if I get the cold water my toothis going to explode It fucking
hurts so bad. There's one that's not
refrigerated in there. You can do hot, but it's not
hot. I don't have the heater on.
It's like just like lukewarm fuck if I don't know that my
mouth boy boy, I've been just talk a lot and I'm so scared to

(01:25:00):
drink anything cold. Let me get you some iced tea.
Gotta get. The fucking tooth pulled man.
Let's finish them out with a all.
Right. Yeah, let's finish them out with
a bit of advice and then we will.
Sorry, we went on the big movie tangent.
Like I said, I do have. That's where like my love has
always been and. Have we not started Mike and

(01:25:21):
Dylan? Hey drama, we'd be doing a story
based analyzation of movies and TV shows, right?
Mike actually tried to threaten me with doing a third podcast
and I was like, no, no. I was like, yeah, we should do
one more likely because you know, it's essentially like a
normal dudes like movie review. But like I said, I'm able to

(01:25:41):
defeat. That's the problem with Rotten
Tomatoes is once you hand everybody the keys to the
castle, it becomes diluted and then people start putting their
bias on it. Yeah.
Like they're bias if if something is made like Dave
Chappelle stand up when he got the zero on Rotten Tomatoes, how
the fuck is 0%? Like it's just it's impossible.

(01:26:02):
With him like he's he is most people's definition of a goat.
But it's the it's the same. It's the same thing though, too
is if someone like when they cast the black Little Mermaid or
whatever, if the other side doesn't like that, doesn't
matter how good the movie is, they're going to be like, yeah,
I didn't like it though. They're not even going to watch
it. And I just think it is.

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It's to an extent it's dumb. To an extent, it is Fucking, it
is Hollywood 100% being like, well, we're being inclusive
right now, so bring all the black people to the fucking
theaters because we know we needall that fucking juicy black
people money or gay people money, whoever, whatever group
is is hurting right now, OK, We want your money.
Well then The thing is as if it wasn't inclusive for the sake of

(01:26:47):
inclusivity. Like and change like.
I have no problem with a black Little Mermaid.
The thing is, though, is if everything you're putting out
has to have like a gay couple, atransgender person, that's what.
I'm saying too, like no show is really based on reality because
we have to have everybody from awalk of life.
Nothing like no show has a a cast that like resembles

(01:27:09):
community. Strange things.
Does it resembles community? Like when you see a whole group
of people, OK, will might be gay, you know, that ruin the
show. No, everybody grew up with a guy
who either turned out to be gay or we're all just like, I can't
believe he's with a woman still.Every single person they have
Lucas, who is a black guy. That's like a typical fucking

(01:27:29):
neighborhood. Like it's a typical fucking
neighborhood where you have likeeverybody from all walks of life
and they all have to have their whatever drama is associated
with their walk of life. That's when shit starts to
become like convoluted. What people like that.
Some people do like that and honestly, to each their own.
Like I would never. Here's the thing too is you have

(01:27:50):
like movie critics and shit likethat or people from Rotten
Tomatoes that don't necessarily like a type of genre, but then
can review that shit. And I think that it's not for
you, bro. That's that's a it's not for
you. Like, it's not when, like
critics, just when they all shiton the, like the Super Mario

(01:28:11):
movie and then everybody was like, we're starting to think
you guys are fucking stupid because we enjoyed it and it was
a fun time. And then they were like, oh,
wait, no, no, it actually is a good movie.
Yeah. And we, we knew it all along.
Yeah. It's just, it's really dumb.
And you'll miss out on a lot of great shit if you are like, oh,
hey, this interests me. And then you're like, oh, 32% on
Rotten Tomatoes. Well, there's definitely

(01:28:34):
stinkers out there, but for the like, but then there's some like
low budget movies that are greatand you just have to you have to
listen to the people that don't sniff their own farts on it and
then also not listen to the people that are just critical to
be critical. Like you got to get that that
mid take of like, what is it? Honestly?

(01:28:55):
Is it is it worth my hour and a half or is it worth my time to
watch this? Or is it just a complete waste
of time? The only thing that I like also
that I can't get behind is how like shit's portrayed.
Like in movies where, I don't know, we call it Oscar bait,
where emotions are. People act like nobody has ever

(01:29:19):
fucking acted in the history of ever.
Like when you look at like one with romance and shit and the
problems that they go through, nobody talks like that.
Nobody acts like that. These are not like real
relationships. A real relationship is you come
home, hey, kiss each other. Like even if things are going
bad, it's not like in this like crazy dramatic, fucking

(01:29:40):
all-encompassing shit that the fucking like Hollywood releases.
So it does feel like a caricature.
With that being said, I would never fucking like I would never
just like if I watched it and I didn't like it or I did like it.
I I just wanted to speak upon itor if someone was like, hey, did
you enjoy it? I'll be like, yeah, or I didn't
enjoy. I just say, honestly, I didn't

(01:30:00):
watch it. That's normally what I would do
because it's not in my lane. But there are people who
romanticize emotions. They fucking value art very
deeply. They feel something by it.
All right, look, you don't. He might be throwing sponges at
a piece of paper, all right. And then, I don't know, hitting
it with a bucket. But to him, he's he's releasing

(01:30:23):
his childhood trauma. Yeah, it looks cool and.
Shit, but it's not my that's notmy area.
Yo, y'all judge that? Because obviously I'm going to
say this is crazy and the only value that this gets is what's
been, you know, essentially indoctrinated into you by the
culture of artists. Yeah, I don't, even though I

(01:30:48):
just did. That is some goofy shit though.
Well, it's all. Isn't that technically like a
tax evasion and like for the most part like the the high end
art is all? Well, that's always been done
with anything that has a value that is not easily like
determined because it could be arare artifact which is not

(01:31:10):
actually rare. Paintings are just a lot harder
to question. So if a billionaire buys a
painting or has one commissionedand then they get it appraised
and it's appraised for $100 million, there's no way to
dispute it like and. Then they donate it to a.
And then they have that write off.
There's no way to like dispute that shit.

(01:31:30):
So it's just a easier method from doing it.
The only reason that's so easy to do is because the art
community is a wet fart. Like it is a wet fart.
When you watch the episode of South Park where they're
smelling their own farts, that'swhat it is Like that, that is
what it is. It's where people who have not
really had to, who have not really gone through adversity,

(01:31:52):
want to go through adversity. So in their mind, they create
what they think adversity is. I don't necessarily agree and.
They try to interpret that a lotof.
Like I would say a lot of artists do and like do have
whatever. Like I would never say that they
haven't been through adversity. The the thing that I would say,
though, is like everybody can bean artist, however not everybody

(01:32:19):
necessarily ends up being a goodartist and like you're going to
struggle and it. Is politicking now where someone
could paint something amazing? Here's the thing, here's what
happened. OK, you had really good artists
back in a time where it was you were not like you could see
someone painting. You couldn't learn back then.
Like if you saw a guy just fucking laying it down on some

(01:32:39):
canvas, painting the most beautiful shit, he'd be like wow
wizard, that's crazy. I mean, he learned it from
somebody. He he apprenticed, he, he
learned it like it's not like a natural ability.
It's. Maybe not.
What I'm saying is is because back then like you had time to
think you weren't online doing stuff.
Like people didn't learn from other people.
Like they just sit there with like pastels or whatever kind of

(01:33:02):
paint they had and they'd fucking just start working on
it. And then they'd figure out how
to do that stuff where then if somebody saw that and was
inspired with it, they really wouldn't have the the avenue to
learn. But as you progress forward to
more, you know, technological things where you have schools
for art or you know, art classesand now to art tutorials,

(01:33:23):
anybody can paint something incredibly beautiful.
They can make it abstract. They can do it in any kind of
style that you want. Like literally when you're
talking about like the best, like artist right now, there's
people out there that can, I mean, draw a one to one picture
of a person, pores and all, who think it was a photograph.
And that guy ain't shit except for 250,000 views on a or

(01:33:46):
250,000 followers on a fucking social media platform while a
guy is fucking like he runs on his tippy toes and fucking does
this with a fucking pencil. And that guy is a fucking G.
It's not it's it's now politicking.
It is who is trying to be essentially more like morally
superior, like of a higher intelligence, whatever kind of
emotion or thought processes, thought process that you want to

(01:34:09):
be better than somebody else. That's what the art community is
now. And now it is dominated by
people who went to the greatest art institute that you could go
to because their parents funded for it.
And then we're like, OK, after that.
I am not going to work. I'm going to keep myself in a
one bedroom studio in the dark and they'll be like, that's how

(01:34:31):
this guy formed his art style ofrunning with a pencil because he
went through this just crazy. He did.
No, he didn't like their adversity is not something we're
at any time you can go, I'm done.
Yes, I'm done. Actually, I didn't want to do
this. I want to go do something else.
Maybe just go sailing for a yearwhile I figure out what I want

(01:34:52):
to do now. It is literally a culture of
people who in their mind think about what adversity could be or
should be, who have not really experienced it, and then base
their emotions on how they wouldexperience and how they would
release that emotion and shit like that.
A lot of, like I said, there's people out here who can do any

(01:35:16):
fucking kind of style. That's why a lot of the shit you
see now is the dumb shit. Like it's it's abstract as shit
that we're. You wouldn't as garbage.
Yeah, you wouldn't understand it, but that's what dominates.
That's what dominates the art industry now, because you don't
know if it's good. We know that it's good.
You don't know if that's good. Do you think that's good right
there? Do you think that's a great
painting? And then you're like, yes.

(01:35:37):
And they're like, yeah, of course you would.
Like, there's no right way to judge it.
Like, you can look at a fucking picture of a woman that looks
exactly like a woman. You're like, fuck, that's great.
And everybody can be like, that's great.
Well, now you have something abstract, OK.
And well, well, what emotion is it telling you?
Well, it's telling me that, you know, he has happiness in his
heart, but you could tell from the chaos and he had some

(01:35:59):
childhood trauma that he's trying to fucking cope with.
And it just all formulates. No, no, you guys are just
literally the worst fucking people who have never, once
again, 9 times out of 10 Nepho babies, like 9 times out of 10,
they come from a guy who had to work his ass off to get
somewhere and now they think that struggle is theirs too.

(01:36:19):
And maybe because, you know, he wasn't there every fucking day,
OK? Or, you know, they wanted a
Porsche 9/11 for their birthday and they only got a Jaguar.
The fucking life's not been not life's not been easy.
Once again, that is what literally the art industry is
dominated by. It's dominated by essentially,

(01:36:41):
do you agree with this? And if we don't want you to
agree with it, we agree with it.And if we want you to agree with
it, we also agree with it. And it's just it's it's a very
toxic culture. Probably the most like I've seen
a lot of fandoms and they get they get rough.

(01:37:01):
There is no, like, at least people in Phantoms talk shit to
each other. Like, at least they're calling
each other racist names and not just like doing it behind
people's backs. You know what I'm saying?
And just judging from A and it'sjust, it is a, it is a very,
very silently toxic culture. Yeah.
Is your butt ringing, man? How long have we been in this?

(01:37:25):
Once that goes away, probably about an hour and a half.
God. Damn.
Let's finish it out strong. A lot.
Like I said, you get me into movies.
I didn't know you're an artist though.
But it's not. It's not that though.
It's you see people who are fucking talented get shit on
just because. And here's the thing.

(01:37:46):
It's it's who you know and. That's that's like what I said
though, when everybody is super,nobody is like, that's the
fucking thing man. And now people have resources to
where they can be great. Like people can fucking draw.
They can, they can do their art in whatever style.
And now that you don't have a hierarchy, you now have to make

(01:38:08):
up that hierarchy. That's what abstract is.
And, and anybody that says you don't understand it, you're
right. You don't understand it 'cause
you're a normal thinking person who was like, that's fucking
stupid that he is. I mean, you can put hair that he
rips out and then he drags a long piece of.
Paper. I mean, you can find art like
that's the big thing with my interpretation of art.
I don't have respect necessarilyfor a abstract artist, but if it

(01:38:33):
looks cool, it looks cool. If it if it would look cool in
your living room or your fuckingstudio where wherever the fuck
you're going to put it, then cool, have it.
But like, my thing is though, islike with art in any form, with
you, with comedy, with music, with, with doing like painting
and stuff like that, It's like how many, how committed to it

(01:38:57):
are you? Right.
And once you're so committed to it, like for one thing, like
once you start, yes, technicallyyou can take that mantle as
like, I'm an artist. But it's the people that make it
the longest are typically the ones that are successful, except
for the nepotism part of it. Like those people and those
people, I'm sorry, but like, I don't think that they probably

(01:39:19):
feel good about it. They're like, fuck, like my dad.
The only reason I'm doing this is 'cause my dad paid to let me,
you know, go to the art school, go do all the stuff.
And they probably do sniff theirown part farts and like are that
person. But I think for like the average
person that gets into art, the average person that like plays
music, the average person that wants to do comedy, make movies,
all that stuff. It's keep doing and eventually

(01:39:44):
you get somewhere if that's actually your passion.
And so like, I don't like to, I just don't want to.
Like the only thing that I have to say against your art thing is
that like, I'm not in New York City.
I don't go to these like galleries and all this stuff,
but like for the general public,like.

(01:40:05):
It's kind of you're, you're putting it all in this one big
box rather than looking at like the smaller artists that are,
you know, locally famous or doing things.
That starve. That starve while the industry
is dominated by people who smelltheir own farts.
Well, I mean, that's where we'reat right now with this podcast
right here is there's there's 100,000 celebrities that don't
make movies anymore that have a podcast.

(01:40:27):
And so like they're the ones getting, you know, $100,000 an
episode. And we're not like so it's it's
but in all. General like someone can listen
to this and they be like these guys have rambled about movies
and art for like 45 minutes now.Trash.
Someone can hear that. They can actually like formulate
an opinion. Anybody who watches a movie who

(01:40:47):
hears like an you can hear a really good underground rapper.
Like you can hear a really good,you know, underground rock band
and be like, these guys are good.
And then other people hear them like, yeah, they are good.
Like you can formulate an opinion, but if you look at
something OK, and that somethingdoesn't resemble anything, it
doesn't matter. Once again, you understand like

(01:41:07):
from a very, it doesn't matter who you are.
From a very simplistic point of view, you can understand what
art is good. Like what is visually.
Like look at Starry Nights whereit's not even.
Yeah. You could be like a child drew
that, you know what I'm saying? And it just it looked it, it
looks good like it has like a motion to it and shit like that.

(01:41:28):
Like where abstract used to be where it wasn't like a guy
running around like with a pencil and stuff like that.
It would actually be like, it's like I have there's.
Some intention. Like it would have symbolism in
it and shit like that where it doesn't have it anymore and they
base that like on the person andwhat you see in it.
That's the only thing that doesn't.
Well, that's. Just trends though, like I mean,
that's The thing is like that's a trend and like if people like

(01:41:49):
it like. I hate it's not a 10 year trend
though. I hate pop music.
Like I, I cannot stand pop music.
Like I can't stand it, whether it's country, fucking regular
pop, like pop hip hop, like I don't like anything that is
like, here's this package that'sbeen given to you.
But like for the masses, like they think it's the greatest
thing in the world. And like, but it doesn't take

(01:42:10):
anything away from somebody thatis kind of more underground that
there's a pop artist that exists.
And like really ultimately like these big artists that are doing
shit abstract art, like they're just the pop artist right now.
And like, it will be a fad and it will fall and like something
else will come in its place. But like popular culture does

(01:42:33):
that, like through and through and.
And you can. Music needs, they need that
catchy beat, they need that thing that does get people.
It doesn't matter. You can look at pop music and be
like I do not like this, but when everybody else likes it,
then essentially it's good music.

(01:42:53):
Like if if the majority of people like something and just
because it's was tailor made forthem to like doesn't mean that
it's bad just because you don't like it and it's not your style
of. Music.
That's what I'm getting at though.
With the art, correct? I understand.
I understand that point of view.OK, Look at even, I'm talking
about like underground rappers, like, you know, Hopsin back in
the day and all these other people that weren't signed to

(01:43:15):
like major labels and stuff likethat.
They're able to become somebody because people can listen to
that and they be like, ah, fuck with this where art doesn't have
that. Art is gate kept.
It literally is gate kept like. Like I don't know enough from
like, because I've never been like I've been to art galleries,
like my wife is an artist, like I've I've seen it all go down.

(01:43:35):
But like, I mean, there's awesome people like my my buddy
who does murals, He's awesome, He's awesome.
And then there's another mural artist that I know through
friends and everything. And like the one guy, he's got a
regular day job and the other guy goes around and paints like
5 to 1015 thousand dollar murals, if not more.

(01:43:57):
Like I don't know what he charges for him, but like it's
not to take away from either oneof them, but like I.
Guess I see your point, like OK,I get what you're saying.
I get what you're saying. It's that because that shit, and
I don't know if it is picked on because I've seen a lot of like
people who talk about it, promote it.
It is like the mainstream pop music and where I'm like, oh,

(01:44:18):
that's fucking ridiculous. I am not in the our community.
So I don't see that what the other people are doing.
That is a very good point about the guy with the IT took me a
long time to fucking get around and normally I'm a lot quicker
with like. The common and it it's just more
so like, like I hate when we group everybody together for
anything like and, and all I'm saying is like I'm not in LA or

(01:44:38):
New York or Paris or wherever the fuck they do.
Like all the I just I just. Super high.
Once things are left more to up to interpretation that's where
shit gets yeah like toxic and shit gets K kept well and people
politicking becomes a lot easier.
My wife got into one of the abstract art, like I think it's
like alcohol inks. She did that because like, she

(01:44:59):
saw this other girl that was super successful on like
Instagram, she'd make these alcohol inks.
That's going to be the next episode.
She'd make the alcohol, ink, paintings and stuff.
And so my wife saw that that wasreally successful, so she
started doing it and she stoppeddoing it because there was no
emotion to it. Like she was making stuff and it
looked cool. It was all right but the.

(01:45:20):
Woman a style she fucked with. Well, it wasn't like there was
no like, outlet to it. Like she didn't feel like she
accomplished something after sheput five different colors on a
piece of paper. Some people, they don't give a
shit about like the feeling or anything.
They just want to sell as much as possible.
And those are the people that I'm guessing are like, kind of
what you're seeing is like some guy who's like, I, I fart pain

(01:45:41):
out of my butt. And like that's then other
people make it into something. But like it's once again, it's
a, it's a fad, it's a trend. And I think overall, like all I
wanted to get at was like that you had mentioned something
about like them trying to find their adversity and stuff like
that. But like for the main bulk of
artists, most of them probably have actual adversity.

(01:46:04):
They're just not famous and well.
I'm thinking about the ones, because we got onto it about the
rich people appraising the art. Yeah.
And that, like I said, that thatcommunity is there because of
the affluent community, once again, that does gatekeep art,
that they give the fucking, theygive value to artists.
Now there's not a painting. You could paint the most
beautiful fucking thing anybody's ever seen.

(01:46:26):
And if they're like, wow, yeah, there's no emotion.
I don't feel. I don't feel.
I don't know what you were thinking.
I mean, I see the mountains and I mean, it looks great, but what
was your inspiration? I just don't see.
There's not a the colors just don't speak to me and shut the
fuck up. Like, that's what I said,
though, with music, with the guys that do the murals on the

(01:46:49):
side of a building. OK, that's also different
because if I'm like, hey, I wantsomething on the side of my
building. Do I want this guy?
Fucking no. Because I could do that.
I could fucking send my kid out there to do that.
Or do I want that guy who can make beautiful fucking murals
and shit on the side of my building like that?
That's where it does get different once you start.
Like you can appraise a set of fucking $130,000 because this

(01:47:12):
guy is like, you know, the guy in that community.
That's where I'm saying that shit with that are left up to
interpretation. Can like, fuck up.
Yeah. What a weird episode.
Oh that's great. I loved.
It what a fuck I just I. Don't know if you you guys loved
it, but I loved it. And also, if you hear these
movie ideas and show ideas and you ever want to make it, just
make it, man. All right, That's my thing,

(01:47:33):
though. I just want to see it happen.
Like if someone stole it, well, I'll be a little bit hurt about
it, all right, but. At least let Mike play a part
and. Fuck, I'd just like to see it.
Like I just like be like man, listen, y'all ain't gonna
believe this but I was the inspiration behind that show or
movie. All right, well, that sounds
like a good time to. Wrap it up.
All right, guys. If you have, if you have advice

(01:47:56):
that you want us to never get tobecause we're getting off on
long tangents, you can send it to mikeanddylan.com,
MIKEANDDYLE, n.com. Also, if you would like some
just awesome apparel for the hard working man, you can go to
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that we're going to have a few specials coming out here in the

(01:48:19):
next couple weeks. Also, I do want you guys to know
labor Llama is not like print ondemand like this is like and
operation that me and Dylan oversee.
We are we got boxes and boxes. We're in the the packaging
center right now doing it. So it is it is something that we
do care about to bring you guys high quality stuff.
But look, I'll see y'all next time.

(01:48:41):
Later.
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