Into the Wild: One Woman's Journey Through Ultra-Endurance Adventures

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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Music, Music, Melissa Creek.
How are you?
I'm good.
How are you doing?

(00:30):
I'm good, I'm good.
I just got done with a workout.
I guess you did too, correct.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Yeah, yeah, just came out of a workout, showered,
thank goodness.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Yeah, right, I just got done.
Showering I just got done, youknow getting this ready.
The setup I just got done, youknow getting this ready the
setup, because last time I didthis setup I was in Motel 6 in
Pendleton during, right before,the Whiskey Fest.
And thank goodness I got therewhen I did because I guess there

(00:59):
was a like a two hour trafficjam into Pendleton for the
Whiskey Fest, so it paid off.
Pendleton for the Whiskey Fest,so it paid off.
We got there like around 8, 9o'clock in the morning at Motel
6.
And where we parked we can justtake the shuttle.
So that was the last time Iactually used this setup and at
Motel 6.
Yeah, so I got this ready, justgot done, you know, doing the

(01:22):
workout.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Started CrossFit after cancer and was just like
you know I'm missing somethingand weights and more being more
well-rounded is what I've beenmissing Having a more like
athletic approach to fitnessrather than like just getting
too much on one side.
Yeah, yeah, and you feel likeyou get athletic fat, you know
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
Yeah, like you work out, you work out, you work out,
but it's just like, okay, I'mnot seeing any results, right?

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Since I started, I've seen tremendous results Since
you started doing CrossFit, yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Even on the trails.
You know I've been maxing out.
Now I gradually have beenworking, you know, up to what I
have have and I've been maxingout p and r prn and everything
else and did the enchantmentsjust recently.
Okay, when did you go earlierthis month?
Okay, there's still snow upthere a little bit, a little bit
, but not not a lot, not not atall, not like when jose and I

(02:17):
did the through hike a coupleyears ago before he went on
downrange.
Yeah, yeah and no.
No, definitely, it was clear asa whistle.
It is cold up top, especiallyat night, right, but during the
day it's great.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Yeah, it's fun.
Yeah, when we went, when wecame back from deployment, it
was going to that first lake,Colchuk Lake.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Colchuk yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Yeah, that was amazing.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, colchuk, yeah truck, yeah, cold truck is
amazing.
I don't really like that hikebecause a lot of people don't
talk anything about up to coldchuck.
Sorry, I'm messing with this.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
I need to quit because it's making like fart
noises, so sorry, yeah, did youhear that I'm like oh, my gosh,
I was like oh, but I saw youplaying with something.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
I didn't know what it was, so I had to throw it away,
because it was like and Ididn't want people to think like
, oh, my goodness, he's playinghijinks.
But so, Coach Chuck, no onetalks about the hike up.
Everybody's like, oh, the lake,right, that hike is quite
strenuous it is.
Yeah, a hike is quite strenuous, it is.
A lot of people go there andthey are not ready for it,

(03:26):
they're unprepared, they getlost.
I saw a bunch of people getlost just trying to find the
lake.
I don't know how that is, butyou know they used us, xavier
and I, to get to the right pathto the lake and it's, it's, it's
fun.
But everybody's like, oh, coldshuck, cold shuck, right, no,

(03:49):
it's about the core, the core iswhere it's at.
And then, yeah, going up to thecore and the back behind the
core, when you start, you know,going down to snow lake, it's,
you don't hear about it right,and those, those, I think it's
because it's the miserable part,but I think people need to
start talking about it more.

(04:09):
Yeah, because that through hikethe enchantments is overrated
because of those two approaches.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Right.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
That's just me.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
I haven't through hiked the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
You haven't and you're going to do that correct.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
Yeah, we're going to do that, probably in about three
weeks.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Three weeks.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, I mean, whatever weekend Jose doesn't
have his kids, okay, becausethey wouldn't be able to do it,
but not at this age anyway.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I didn't think Xavier would do it because he's a big,
burly ex-football guy and heconquered it Asgard Pass.
I know ex-football guy and heconquered it.
Asgard passed it like.

Speaker 2 (04:43):
I know I'm saying it wrong, but it's an ass kicker,
hopefully you don't mind mesaying that on your episode it's
an ass kicker, but it's uh well, I mean, we just got done doing
mount st helens yeah, andthat's deceiving.
I was telling that, jose well,because online it says that it's
a moderate no, it's not, it'sstrange and I'm like no I've
done a ton of hiking in my lifeand I this was the sixth

(05:10):
mountain I've summited- yeah andprobably the toughest the worst
terrain, and I've been inhigher elevation too yeah but
like you know that, there's likea different set of
complications that come withelevation and things like that,
but like you trade that for thehow rough the terrain is on
Mount St Helens.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, yeah, the elevation to like prominence.
It's definitely different thanall the others and and it's
deceiving.
Like I told Jose, I was likedude that this kick your butt,
you know.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
And it's almost like.
Asgard actually how itapproaches just straight up, and
it's also deceiving too,because you see it from a
distance and you're like oh yeah.
But then when you're on it,you're like holy crap, how am I
not at the top yet?

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, and then 30 miles away from it.
You see, Adams, You're going tobe like man.
I'm so glad I'm not up there,but I would rather do Adams than
St Helens, believe it or not.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
That's just my thought.
People fight me for it, butthat's my thought.
I'm sticking to it.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah, mount St Helens , there have been longer, even
steeper, hikes that I've donecompared to Mount St Helens, but
the fact that you have to climbover all of those boulders,
yeah and it's you're gonna haveto do that.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
You're gonna have to do that after kolchak right,
yeah, right on that, that rockfall the yep by the uh, the end
of the lake and up asgard pass abit and then it's just jose was
like saying because he's doneit.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
Obviously he was saying with and snow.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
Yeah, he was saying because he's done it.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Obviously.
He was saying In snow.
Yeah, he was saying that hewould rather do that.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
The snow.

Speaker 2 (06:50):
Well, the Asgard Pass rather than what we did on
Mount St Helens.
We're also in different shapenow.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I would say I would take Asgard.
Pass over St Helens justbecause of the scree.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh, okay.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
The scree at St Helens is just hell.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
It's like one step up , two steps back you know and
you sink and it's just, but itwas worth the views.
The views were incredible.

Speaker 1 (07:17):
So a lot of people, let's go back to the
enchantments, okay.
So a lot of people thinkthey're going to go conquer, go
up Asgard and be like, oh gosh,it's too late or we don't have
enough time.
We're going to go down Asgard.
Has that thought even beenapproached in your mind?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
So that happened to us last time because we were
like we're going to go straightup and go to the summit and then
come back.

Speaker 1 (07:42):
Yeah, no Right.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
But we got a really late start.
I think I don't remember whathappened, why we didn't get get
there on time yeah but we got tothe trailhead at probably like
eight o'clock yeah, it's toolate it's way too late and
especially like I was pregnantat the time.
But but I didn't know I waspregnant yet and I was just

(08:06):
dragging like really bad and mysister and I had done a race and
then we also did the backyardultra as well.
All kind of within the same,like two, three weeks, and every
single time I did something Iwas like, oh my God, I feel like
I don't know what's wrong?
With me Like am I out of shape?
Like how am I out of shape?
I just got done with deployment, like, but that was.

(08:28):
I felt like it took me foreverjust to get to Kolchak Lake.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Yeah.
And then when we got to wherethe pass was, I was like I don't
think we're going to get up andback down safely before, so so
from from the start of thetrailhead to the top of asgard
pass, it's 6.1 and I and as muchas I'm murdering, asgard pass I
don't really care, it's likears guard or, but asgard pass.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
I'm saying it guys okay, asgard pass, I don't care.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
People are going to be like, oh god, this guy no,
yeah, but it comments like thisis how it's.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, just, youknow I get it a lot, but.
But no, it's 6.1.
If you can get to 6.1 and withwith a, you know, minimal pack,
you know, bring a filter.

(09:19):
If you need a filter, I got you, but you can do.
People say they get 20 miles,they get 22 miles.
It depends on how far you getoff track or off the path.
But we stayed on the path, wedid extras, but it didn't

(09:39):
include the trail, it was 18.
It was 18 something.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
So if you stay on the path, like everybody's supposed
to yeah not sightsee 24 7, justsightsee on for trail right, it
is 18, it is 18 okay, yeah,because I think he he said that
when you guys did it, like his,his fitbit or whatever he was
wearing said 20 something yeah,because we had, we did a detour.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, we did a detour because that one pass that we
couldn't get to, that I went onuh-huh, just recently.
Yeah, I was talking about likewe almost saw the person pat,
you know die.
We had to leave this one personlike for real.
I even I felt bad, but I waslike dude, let's not look back,
just keep going.

Speaker 2 (10:22):
They were ill-prepared, you know yeah, and
so we're like oh my goodness.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
But what we did and seeing what we missed, I'm glad
we did what we did because wewould have made it out of there.
That pass was quite treacherousand, you know, just without
snow alone, you know and there'sno way.
There's no way.
We would have passed it, butthe way we did it was the best

(10:46):
way okay, yeah, well at the timebecause there was a ton of snow
.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
Oh, I remember seeing pictures on instagram when he,
when you guys did it and I waslike dang, where are they?

Speaker 1 (10:57):
yeah, a ton of snow and it was, yeah, I and, being
up there just recently, I wouldrather do it with snow really,
rather than do it on the rocks,yeah it just I feel more
comfortable with on snow well,if you're wearing crampons yeah
I feel like you you know youkind of grab a little bit better
, whereas like if you're on rock, you don't know if the rock's

(11:19):
gonna like slip out yeah ortrusting the tread on your shoes
also but you also.
It's also like when, when thesnow, you also have to worry
about uh breaking into the thewater yeah, and stuff like that.
But the snow makes it seem likeit's a simpler trail than it is

(11:40):
right because it's like, mostlystraightforward in between
instead of around every damnlake.

Speaker 2 (11:46):
There's so many ponds , slash lakes up there it's like
oh my gosh, you can kind oflike draw more of a straight
line with your mind rather thanyes, like having like oh, I have
to climb over that rock andthen I have to go around this
tree or yes, that kind of athing.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
It's just like, oh okay, well, here's the line I'm
gonna take it yes, and and whenyou guys go up there, coming up
in three weeks, jose's going tothink the same thing.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, he's going to think the same thing.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
So, speaking of Jose, how's Jose?

Speaker 2 (12:13):
Jose's good.

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah, hanging in there.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
He's hanging in there .

Speaker 1 (12:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:17):
He work's been hard for him, I think.

Speaker 1 (12:29):
Yeah, been hard for him.
I think, yeah, he's.
I think he just uh, he's readyfor a change, I think, I think.
I think I'm ready for him tochange.
He has to make that change.

Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, he has to make that.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
We're not gonna go where he works right, right,
definitely, he needs to make thechange.
If he's gonna do it, especiallyin the field that he's in, he
has to make it himself yeah noone will do it for him.
He has to make it and bite thebullet, kind of thing yeah
seeing him at a bombing range.
When I did a rattlesnakerecently yeah, random, I was
like I knew I saw you man, Iknew there was a bunch.

(12:55):
I saw a bunch of you know guysin high and tights I saw I knew
it was you man and yep I swearhe gets larger and larger every
time I see him I feel like it'sreally.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
It's funny because I see him every day, so but I was
just looking at pictures on myphone from back, like it was
like before we deployed, when wewere in texas together large
and we were.
You know, there's like apicture of us hanging out in
this rainstorm and he, like,everybody like took their shirts

(13:30):
off and they're like runningaround in the rainstorm.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, crazy peopleand the picture of him and I'm
like, oh my gosh, was he everthat small Like?
I was like because, like now,like his arms are like the size
of my legs.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
He's huge, Like he's, yeah,Like he's not fat, no, no, no.
He probably will say he's fatyeah he.

Speaker 2 (13:52):
Yes, you know everybody kind of has that like
body dysmorphia kind of thinggoing on.

Speaker 1 (13:57):
Yeah, oh yeah.
Yeah.
He'll say he's Dude is freakingjacked and he can lift the
weights.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:04):
And from when I saw him before deployment, hung out
with him, did races with him didcrosser to my house, you know
done all kinds of adventureswith him to now.
It's like total differentperson.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
It is yeah.
Well, the other day I neededsomething from him and he's
working out in the garage.
We have this like hundred poundsandbag.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
And he just lifted like he's just like grabbing it
and throwing it over hisshoulder.

Speaker 2 (14:27):
Turning around grabbing it and throwing it over
his shoulder he didn't say likebabe, turn around.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
No, I don't want you to see the struggle.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
He just went for it and was like yeah, I got this so
he did it a couple of timesbefore he noticed I was there
and I was just like, hey, you'recoming in for dinner yeah, he's
big, he's bigbut he's moving up in the ranks
too, right the guard so the jobthat he's going into with the
guard he has to take like avoluntary demotion in order to

(14:58):
go to the school, but then, assoon as he's done with the
school, they're gonna promotehim again okay yeah, it's uh
nothing bad happened, assbackwards it is but the the
school he's going.
Oh, can I say what he's?
He's gonna be eod, yeah, eod,yeah and so it's a, it's a
really long school and and hereally he wanted, he wanted to

(15:20):
do that when he first joinedyeah, but it wasn't really like
in the cards said no one ever noone wants to do that.
I mean I was.
I was actually going to do thatup until recently.
That was like my plan after Igot home from deployment was to
go to eod.

Speaker 1 (15:36):
But well, what's the uh god ordinance?

Speaker 2 (15:39):
oh yeah, ordinance, yeah, I was part of ordnance
school, so yeah, oh, you were,yeah, yeah, but not eod the navy
.
No, army, army.
You were in there.
Oh yeah, I was in the army.
I thought for some reason youwere air force or there was a
lot of chemical weapons kind ofstuff.
So yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Actually, I don't think I knewwhat you did when you a lot of
people don't serving a lot ofpeople don't.

Speaker 1 (16:01):
One of these days I'll say I know I've been saying
it for the longest time it'sgoing to come out soon, but no,
yeah, ordinance.
I totally dealt with theordinance part, and where's the
school?

Speaker 2 (16:12):
Is it in?
It's in.
So the first two months is inVirginia and the last seven
months is in Florida.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Okay, you going with them.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
So we've kind of pondered the the like, positives
and negatives of both sides andI think what we're just.
Ultimately it's going to bebetter, I think, financially and
for his education at the school, if he just goes by himself
okay, so shout out to jose joegarcia.

Speaker 1 (16:40):
As you guys know, he used to be a regular.
He needs to come back on.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Yeah, get him back on here.

Speaker 1 (16:47):
But no more of Joe Baby's healthy, baby's good.

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Taken after you, hopefully Not like him.
Doesn't look like him at all.

Speaker 2 (16:57):
He, yeah, he definitely.
I feel like he is taken aftermy side of the family a little
bit more.
He's a little bit more becauseyou know, jose, he's kind of on
the quieter side and me and,well, my son, are not.
You get him going on anadventure.
You can get him going, yeah.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
And like some tequila you're good?
Oh yeah, definitely, and somefood, and some food.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Well, yeah, yeah, I mean, but I feel like he is
definitely more of a few wordskind of person in the presence
of, like people he doesn't knowsuper well.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
I gotcha.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Whereas, like I don't know, I feel like I can like
run my mouth into a wallsometimes.
I gotcha, I gotcha, I'm alittle bit more.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
You won't do that here.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
You won't do that here.
No, not gonna do that here.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
So melissa, the first time I caught wind of you was
with jose, his last episode,right like not as soon as you
guys got back from yourdeployment, but you were
pregnant.
He was doing, you know, thebackyard.
I saw you guys and it was weekslater.
I saw you like almost almost ayear later yeah right, so last

(18:05):
time I saw you was episode 229,which this will be 256, a lot
have happened.

Speaker 2 (18:12):
Yeah, it would have been happening, yeah cancer.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
You know deaths and everything else, but it was june
26, 2024, was when last time Ihad an episode of you or with
him on and published.
A lot has changed, baby.
You guys got your life backtogether.
Things are looking easier forboth of you.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Right, right, yeah, things are on a good path right
now.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, yeah, but when we were doing the episodes, some
things just came up.
I'm like who's this?
Jose dude, you got no, you gotnothing.
You got nothing on this gal.

Speaker 2 (18:49):
I want this gal on, you know, and I'm just like, oh
god hey, jose, look, look, let'stalk, but can't do it.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Can't do it because I didn't want to.
You know, mix it up andeverything else but it it
appeared at the time when wewere doing that episode that you
had more to say than you putout there.
Finally, year later and a monthand a few days later, we, we
got you.
So we're here to talk about.

(19:15):
Well, just talk about theenchantments, we will talk more
about that, but I want to talkabout this adventure that you
had by yourself in the state ofIdaho.

Speaker 2 (19:29):
Uh-huh.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay, you did the Canadian border, the road 95?
.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, mostly highway 95.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
Mostly highway.
95 from Canada border all theway to Idaho-Nevada border.
Yeah on my bike.
95 from Canada border all theway to Idaho Nevada border.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, on my bike.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
Okay.
So when, when I do adventures,I think of that kind of stuff,
but not the old distance, thelong, yeah, I do, but it's just
like I wish I.
I mean, if I didn't have kidsI'd do more.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Right, yeah, definitely.

Speaker 1 (20:06):
So I normally cut it up.
You know, I'll just do a dayadventure and try to get as many
miles as I can you know fromhere to there and right it works
.
But canada border to idahonevada how old were you?
Oh man, I was 26 26, what gaveyou that idea or thought of just

(20:28):
doing that adventure alone?
You did it alone, correct?

Speaker 2 (20:31):
So I rode alone.
So all the miles that I rode Iwas by myself, but my boyfriend
at the time he met me like every20 to 30 miles.
He had food and stuff and so hekind of was like a support sort
of deal.

Speaker 1 (20:50):
Were you always in those kind of adventures?
Did you live that lifestyle?

Speaker 2 (20:57):
I feel like it's kind of come in and out of my life.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Like sporadic.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, I kind of go off on these adventures, I guess
, when I feel like there's apersonal I don't know, I don't
know if crisis is the right word.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Just get your mind away.
You think yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:18):
And to just kind of challenge myself, to kind of
remind me of who I am, I guess.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
But you can't do that like through a workout like a
Jose.
Garcia regimen workout.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
Throw my hundred pound sandbag over your shoulder
and then your baby on the otherarm.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
So what?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Yeah, just one handed and just do it.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:38):
No, my.
So I had gotten the idea.
I don't remember what I waslistening to.
I think I was listening to apodcast.
It was called Stuff you ShouldKnow and they were talking about
ultra running and things likethat, and this was a long time
ago.
This was probably I think I wasprobably 22 when I heard this
episode of Stuff you Should Knowand they talked about how

(22:02):
people like David Goggins andpeople like that will do these
races or whatever for some sortof charity or for some sort of
like helping a person and stufflike that.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
Right.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
And I came up with the idea back then that I would
either cycle or run it and I waslike, oh, I could do the state
of idaho, because I was livingin moscow at the time, okay, and
I was like that would be likesuper cool.
But then it kind of like justfluttered away and I didn't
think about it until I have afriend in the army who he was.

(22:38):
Him and his daughter were shotby his stepson and both in bad
condition.
He almost lost his life.
She is going to go through alot of different surgeries to be
able to walk right again andand all this stuff.
And the military helped a ton,because that's, you know, what

(23:02):
the military does.
Yeah, they helped a lot withlike getting the, the surgeries
and stuff that they needed andstuff but and covering the bills
.
But then I was like, well,she's gonna miss a lot of school
, she's gonna be doing a lot ofphysical therapy, she's, you
know, she's gonna be goingthrough it.
And so when all this happened,that's when I kind of came up
with the idea, like I kind ofreverted back to the thought

(23:24):
that I had when I was like 22about doing this big race and so
I tried to get as much of afollowing on social media as I
could.
Yeah, and I think I I did the.
I not race, I did the the rideto try to raise money for his
daughter to kind of help withlike just everyday things and

(23:44):
like trying to just get back tonormal life.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
Was it successful.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
It was.
I mean, I mean charity wisecharity wise.
I mean like I wish we wouldhave raised more money, but I
think that I just am not reallysavvy when it comes to like
building a big social media deal.

Speaker 1 (24:01):
Like the council right.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Yeah, we raised.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
I think you can't beat yourself up.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
Yeah, we raised like $2,600, I think Okay.
That's $2,600 more than theyhad.
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
I mean from the start , hello yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
I mean, and it was, it was kind of small potatoes,
but I mean it was something theywere thankful right yeah, they
were thankful right yeah, theywere.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
And how did you feel afterwards?

Speaker 2 (24:24):
It's funny because when you do these things for a
charitable thing, you knowyou're telling yourself that
it's for this charitable thing,but at some point it kind of has
to be about something else.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
I feel like, yeah, and so I don't know at what
point.

Speaker 2 (24:44):
Probably second day.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
The second day was rough.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yeah, the second day is always's always.
The third day and the fourthday were rough too, but no, but
I feel like eventually it kindof becomes about something else
and not just you know the thereason you're doing it, but like
it because you know it startsto become more personal, okay,
and more of like a personalaccomplishment so to you, what
was it mostly?
The only word I can really useto describe the experience is

(25:07):
gratitude.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (25:08):
So like having the I mean not everybody has the like
physical capability toexperience something like that.
Correct To experience what it'slike to push yourself to that
ultimate level.

Speaker 1 (25:20):
Yeah, well, to the limit.
I mean, you're on a bike, Idon't care if it's running or
biking.
Yeah, running or biking, yeah,running biking.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
Biking stuff too.
It's you know, or whether it'sjust you know hitting a new pr
and a crossfit workout you know,like it's.
I mean, not everybody has aphysical capability to do those
things, or the desire but it'slike I think that I was
extremely.
I stopped about like 10 milesfrom the end of my ride and I
just kind of like looked out andlike looked back and I was like

(25:47):
just looking at like a wall ofHills.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Yeah, you're like oh shit, I just did that yeah.

Speaker 2 (25:52):
I was thinking like.
I was like thinking about everystupid grade and every time I
cried, and every time I like hadto, you know, nurse my butt
from sitting on the seat.
A saddle chafe is a real thingHamburger meat, yeah.

(26:15):
So how, yeah, how how manymiles it ended up being 631.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
Yeah, did you ever think about quitting?

Speaker 2 (26:19):
I don't think I don't think I ever thought like,
about like, oh, I just I'm justgoing to stop right here, this
is good.
I don't think that thought evercrossed my mind.
But the thought of like, oh,maybe if I just get a little too
dehydrated and I have to go tothe hospital.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
Sabotage yourself you better stop that.

Speaker 2 (26:43):
It's like if something you know, something
forces me to not be able tocomplete it, then you know, so
be it.

Speaker 1 (26:49):
You're okay with it instead of quitting.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, there were moments like that.
But you know if thecircumstance was out of my hands
, but I don't think I everthought I'm just going to park
it here and go home.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
So you completed it.
First thing you did Well, wegot in the border of it's
nothing.
There's nothing there there'sno.

Speaker 2 (27:13):
My, my parents came down for the last day to kind of
support, yeah, and they had todrive like 50 miles away because
I ran out of water and it wasvery dry and there's like no
lakes out there in the middle ofnowhere and my and they drove
out to go get some water for mebecause it was like it was

(27:36):
supported yeah, yeah, yeah butlike it's uh barely yeah, but
there wasn't a lot of yeah,there's hardly anything.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I mean you run out of gas.
You're like, oh my God, yeah,you know, turn off everything
but the engine, exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:49):
Roll down all your windows, yep.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
I've done that plenty of times, because I always go
to Tahoe and always try to liketake the car to the limit.
Yeah, I'd never do it again.
I'd never do that.
I, I'd never do it again.

Speaker 2 (28:02):
I'd never do that.
I'd never do it yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, nope, nope.
So I always gas up and likeright, oh God, what is that?
I can't think of the like rightafter you go from Idaho back
into Oregon.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
Oh Ontario.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
No, not Ontario, it's after that, it's on the tip of
my tongue.
Nope, nope, nope, nope, pastthat, past that.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
We're going south.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Going south.
Dermot, I know Dermot.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, right before Dermot.

Speaker 1 (28:32):
God it's in Oregon, but I always fill up there
Always fill up there.
God, I can't think of it.
It's eastern Oregon.
Watch, it's gonna be.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Oh gosh, there it goes, yeah, yeah okay, and what
was the first meal you had whenyou accomplished it?
My, we drove back to mountainhome, idaho, and I ate at
wingers.
I think I got like 20 wings.
Yeah, I got like a bunch ofwings.
I think I had a drink.
I was really.
Wingers is a thing in Idaho.
Yeah, wingers is a real bigthing in Idaho.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:08):
But I was that last day was the hottest and I think
it had the most hills, and sowhen I and I got very badly
sunburned and so I was likesuper out of it when I finished
and I was just sort of like I'mgoing to crash and I'm just
going to.
I finished and I was just sortof like I'm going to crash and
I'm just going to, and so I, Ilike, like trudged through my,

(29:28):
my wings, and then yeah, did youhave a beer?

Speaker 1 (29:32):
Yes, oh you don't remember, so you did.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
Yes, I think I did have a beer.

Speaker 1 (29:37):
Doing that stuff.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
A beer just kind of makes everything yeah.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Makes it.
The moment you sip you get alittle loopy after something.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, you get alittle loopy.
So, okay, that's your story andyou're sticking to it yep, yeah
, that was that was no, it wascharity.

Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, it was for for a charitable thing cause.
Yeah yeah I think the the mostfun part of it was right outside
of Grangeville there is it'scalled Whitebird Pass.

Speaker 1 (30:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
And it is, I think, like seven or eight miles of I
think it's like a 9% grade.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Downhill or uphill.
Downhill.
Yeah, oh, you were just flying.
You're like, oh, this is theeasiest nine miles ever.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
I was like this is the easiest nine miles ever like
.
This is awesome.
I just like I just put theheadphones in and I was just
like just bopping to my musicand just like flying, I'm like
hopefully I don't hit a nail orsomething because I'm not gonna
make it did you listen to musicmost of the way?

Speaker 1 (30:41):
yeah, yeah, I listen to.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
There were, like the first couple of days it was sort
of like a loop of like a lot ofmy favorite songs and then I
listen to Can't Hurt Me becauseI don't know.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
I feel like David Goggins' book oh, okay, I feel
like I listen to that bookanytime, I kind of need a little
bit of a boost you and Jose,you guys are meant to be.
He loves Goggins.
I don't mind Goggins.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
His stuff.
I think should be taken with agrain of salt.
But there's a lot of good stuffin his message.
Oh yeah, that's for sure.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
I wish he didn't cuss as much.

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I mean it gets the point across, it's part of his
thing, it is kind of his thing.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
But it's just you.
You know, the more I learn Iwould take him over cam haines
any day.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, I've, I've listened.
I've read cam haines's book tooand I just kind of think I
david goggins kind of has moreof an honest arrogance yeah,
yeah, where I feel like cameroncameron is kind of.
It's almost a little bit forthe.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Paid.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, he's getting paid to talk or say things.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
That's how he is on the podcast.
Yeah, that's how he is on thepodcast.
I got you, I got you.
I say it all the time.
I'm a fan of him.
Before, podcasts, right, andnow he just spits anything that
is.

Speaker 2 (32:03):
I think that's a lot of people.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
He just spits anything that is in his money in
his pocketbook.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
Yeah, I think that's a lot of people.
You get people, you startlistening to Joe Rogan and stuff
and you kind of start to see alittle bit more of what these
people who you kind of idolize alittle bit, are actually like,
and you're like, maybe, maybenot.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, I would say Joe Rogan, he does what he does,
but I still think he's stayedtrue ever since.

Speaker 2 (32:30):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I think he just has the money and makes the money
that he can say whatever, andthen he either gets canceled or
not, yeah, or he loses a fan ora listener and then he gains
four more.
You know yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
I mean like, like, I think that what?
What people really wantnowadays is they just want
people who's telling the truth?
Yeah, yeah like, and I reallydo feel like joe rogan is doing
his best to actually find thetruth oh yeah you might not
always like what he's saying,but I think that I don't think
that he's like paid to just spewgarbage you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, successful.
I mean look at all theconspiracy theorists, you know,
and not conspiracy theoristsanymore but we won't go.
Super true, we won't go there,yeah we won't go there, so you
did that.
What other things have you donein the ultra endurance world?

Speaker 2 (33:21):
last summer, but I think I was three months, three
or four months postpartum mygrandma and I swam the length of
walawa lake no, there's northsouth.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Uh, yes, not east west because it's shorter.
Yeah, north south yeah, I think.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I think it was like five, like after the, you know,
swimming this way yeah trailingoff and getting back on course
and trailing off yeah, yeah, wasit windy?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I've beenthere quite a few times, I know,
yeah, yeah yeah, I think itended up being like five miles
at the end, but I crashed outthat was cold, that's cold, it's

(33:56):
cold, that's cold.
Really cool.
Did you have what suit um?
Or you did it?

Speaker 1 (33:59):
all, no freaking.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
So did my grandma.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
My grandma is 70.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Shout out to grandma oh my God, five miles in the
frigid cold water.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, wallowa Lake, yeah, it was the warmest day of
the year up at Wallowa Lake.

Speaker 1 (34:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
And I when I Googled what the lake's temperature was
that day at I think it was likewe got in the water at like nine
and I think am yeah, 9 am andit said that it was too cold 52
degrees and, at the end of theday, what was it?
at the at the hottest pointduring the day.
I think it said it was 56 andthen nope no see, I I'm pretty

(34:42):
sure that's what it was.
And then I crashed out.
I was like I was so exhausted,sunburned and borderline
hypothermic and I was afraid Iwas going to drown.
And everybody was like, hey,you can always come back next
year, let's get you out of thewater before you drown.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
So my question to you is what I mean three months
after having a baby?
What made you have that?

Speaker 2 (35:08):
idea.
So my grandma has swam WallowaLake.
This will be, I think, herfifth time in her life.
She used to live in a cabin upat Wallowa Lake.

Speaker 1 (35:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
And she was a competitive swimmer and she
lifeguarded and swimming waslike her passion.
Okay, she was a competitiveswimmer and she lifeguarded and
swimming was like her passionand she she hadn't done it since
she was, I think, like in her40s yeah, and she was like I
want to do it.
30 years later she's like Iwant to do it with you yeah well
, she turned uh 70 in decemberand she's like okay, I want to

(35:41):
do it one last time, you know,before the end of my time watch
her do it and that's exactly shewhen we got done when we got
done.
We're both like white.
Our skin is like ghost white.
We had like no circulation,you've been in there for five
hours.
Yeah, and we're like shivering,like rocking back and forth
like crazy people and and she'slike I'm never doing this again.

(36:05):
And just the other day I wastalking to her and we were
talking about the swim andeverything.
She's like I think I'm going todo it again.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
Yeah, I told you, I knew it, I knew it.
It takes a special person toactually do you know, those kind
of adventures.
Yeah, you know, like you know,you just out of the blue, doing
that charitable work for my, youknow, Canada to Idaho-Nevada
border.
This I mean Jose and I going toProsser to hear me, you know,

(36:34):
going from Burbank to almostDayton.
And then a year later, you know, because I've been doing that
all on Black Fridays.
So what I'll do is, afterThanksgiving, just go on an
adventure.
This past year I went from myhouse to Hermiston.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Oh, that's cool.
Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
And then people are like oh, you're nuts, but there
has to be a reason why people dothis, and I know my reason.
I'm freaking nuts, I'm notsaying you are, I'm just going
to stick to my my answer becauseit's not.

(37:14):
It's not so easy to say it, butI'll leave it there because I'll
one day state why I do what Ido.
But why?
Why do you do what you do?
Why just go from Idaho?
You know, do that why.
Why five hours in Wallowa Lake?
Well, I mean, why not?
You know do that.
Why five hours in Wallowa Lake?
I mean, why not?
You know, do something.
You know, like the BadgerMountain Challenge.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
That is on the docket .
Okay, yeah, that's on thedocket.
I just I don't think I'll beready for it this year.
I do have something coming upin December.
I wanted to do something for my30th, but what about, like you
know, know from your house torattlesnake.
Well, that would be interestingyou know?

Speaker 1 (37:48):
yeah, that would be cool.
I got something on my sleeve.
I don't know if I'm gonna waituntil the end of this summer
because I'm on break right now.
The heat's the only thingthat's stopping me, but I might
end up doing it.
Black friday people are gonnacall me nuts, but I'm not gonna
state it, because I don't wantsomeone to say oh, I did that,
you know or I did it before youknow, right, because it's it's

(38:10):
unthinkable and it'll be cool tohave jose, or you know, be part
of it, but I'll tell you afterair people pay you for it.
You better give me the money,because it's gonna.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
It's quite the adventure I'm, I'm, I'm always
up for an adventure.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Yeah, yeah my, my other adventure next year before
spring.
I wanted to do it this year butgo do the palouse to cascades,
oh that would be cool I didn'twant to go downhill like
starting palouse falls nopalouse idaho, the, the, the
town, okay, uh no, uh, the theborder.

(38:48):
Have you heard of the palouse,the cascades trail?

Speaker 2 (38:51):
I think so it's like, it's like a main trail that
basically just goes straightthrough washington right yep,
yep, yeah, yeah, yeah I thoughtit was john wayne trail or
something like that, I guess Ithought it started in the town
of palouse, because the town ofpalouse is, like, really close
to the border yeah, it's in theborder, so it's like you know
the palouse area.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
Yeah, the cascades is gonna do that.
I bought.
I bought a stroller andeverything else to hold the
water and yeah, just the tentand stuff like that wife was
like why?
Are you buying this?
Why are you buying?
That I'm like because I gotsomething on my sleeve.
But I'm going to put that onhold.
Yeah, but things are doingbetter just because of the whole
cancer thing.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Yeah, that's great.
Why, why?

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Why do it?
Yeah, why do what you do?

Speaker 2 (39:39):
I think I've kind of had a lot of answers to that
question throughout the yearsand I just don't think I guess I
kind of do it for my futureself.
It's like I want to be.
You know my grandma's age.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Doing that seven years old.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Still rocking out a five mile swim in hypothermic
water, you know.
But be able to look back on alifetime of things like this?

Speaker 1 (40:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
In the moment it's kind of like a, I guess I want
to see what the next level isfor myself.
I want to see what, like youknow, I want to see what the
what the capacity is Okay.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Was the Idaho trip.
I'm just going to say Idahotrip.
Yeah, was that pre post duringmilitary?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
So yeah, I joined when I was 22.

Speaker 1 (40:36):
Okay, uh-huh, so it was during.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Yeah, it was during yeah.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:43):
But it was before I deployed.
It was like three weeks beforeI deployed.
It was like it was like umthree weeks before I deployed
the deployment that you had withalongside jose yeah, that where
where we met yeah okay, allright, jose would tell me things
.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
I don't know you and you don't have to.
You say it, you don't have totell.
But was there any part of yougrowing up, whatnot?
Something you missed orsomething that you wanted?
That adrenaline rush that didwas something taken away.
Because, like, the reason why Ido what I do is because you
know things were taken away.

(41:19):
I was, you know, I, like I saidbits and pieces of it.
I had to learn how to walk, Ihad to learn how to you know,
like I said bits and pieces ofit, I had to learn how to walk.
I had to learn how to you know,do the things I do now, you
know, getting out of the army.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Right.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
You know.
So it took years to do that,Believe it or not.
People were like oh, you know,you had all this?
No, I didn't.
I had to learn how to walk.
I learned how to run, you know.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Did you have any of that kind of no, not in a
physical way, I don't.
I didn't have to.
I mean, I've had injuries,things like that, but no, I
would say that if anything Itook from my childhood has been
mostly like probably mostly likeemotional trauma or I don't
know Cause they do say that likeit kind of takes a person who's

(42:10):
a little bit broken to dothings like this you know.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
Absolutely, and I'll be the one to tell them I'm
fucking broken.
Sorry for the F-bomb, that'sokay, you should hear all the
F-bombs.
Yeah, yeah no.
I'm broken, and I'll tell youthat much.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
I wouldn't say that I'm broken, or at least not now.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
I think that growing up, the way that I kind of grew
up not that I don't have aloving family, it's just there
was a lot of, I feel like therewas a lot of anger in my
childhood and I don't think thatI was ever, I don't think I
ever felt robbed of anything.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
Were you missing something Like were you out and
about?
Were you free to just go outand explore the?
You know wherever you were fromand lived?
Were you missing thatadrenaline?
I mean, because a lot of us youwould say we're adrenaline
junkies.
Yeah, that is the more I do theultra endurance, the more I do

(43:04):
the rodeo guys on the rodeoscene, ladies, it's all about
adrenaline it is aboutadrenaline.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
It's crazy and that's .
I think that I've been this waysince I can remember.
I don't think anybody evertried to hold it back with me.
I think that my mom maybe triedto kind of divert it into

(43:30):
something constructive.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
And what was that?
What do you think was that?

Speaker 2 (43:35):
I played a lot of softball growing up.
Yeah, I ran.
I ran a lot when I was younger.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
Sports Sports, just softball.
Yeah, I ran.
I ran a lot when I was youngerSports Sports Softball, softball
.

Speaker 2 (43:46):
I had a ton of interests when I was a kid.
I don't know if I should talkabout this on here.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
You don't have to, you don't have to.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
I guess it's just kind of.
There were times where I feltlike I was just like always
looking for an escape.
I guess not, not necessarilythat like you were saying, like
you were kind of you had theselike deficiencies or that I was
deprived of anything, but Iguess I was kind of more so
looking for an escape fromcertain situations.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
My escape now is these adventures in alcohol.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
So yeah, alcohol was not not.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Istarted at a young age.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
I wouldn't say it's always there as an escape.

Speaker 2 (44:28):
It's not healthy, but no if, if and when I need
something and it's right there,I'll go to the bar and get
something to drink, right, Idon't care, yeah sorry that's,
and I think that in my early 20sthat's I I kind of was thinking
about this a few days ago whereI have a much more like healthy

(44:51):
and methodical approach to theway I'm training now.

Speaker 1 (44:54):
Live and learn.

Speaker 2 (44:55):
Because back then I was just like, yeah, let's go to
the bar.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
And then wake up at like 5.30 in the morning to go
run like 12 miles.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then wakeup at like 5.30 in the morning
to go run like 12 miles and Iwas like still like super
hungover like not Now.

Speaker 1 (45:09):
It takes a minute to get over the hangover and then
start your day and I just like.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
But back to the adrenaline rush thing.
I just have been, I've been.
You can ask my grandma theswimmer.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Or my mom or my dad or my sister like I've been, mr
garcia and mr garcia, I've beenan adrenaline junkie okay since
I can remember, yeah, and Ithink it was just one of those
things that was like an escapeokay, now have you.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Besides, the three months after having the baby,
have you found yourself wantingto escape, more or less?

Speaker 2 (45:48):
There are days, you know, there are days where I
feel more challenged in being amom was never really something
that was like on the list ofthings to do for my life, and so
it kind of came out of nowhereand I wasn't expecting it, you
know was not planned but it'sthe best thing ever.

(46:10):
It is the best thing yeah, and Ifind it's really strange how
your mind and the way you lookat things in life completely
shifts and I always thought likewhen people said that or I'd
hear like other people talkabout it.
I'm like like, oh, this crapagain, you know, but it it's so

(46:32):
true, Like I used to be likevery like me, me, me yeah
exactly Like.
I mean not that I was selfish,not like I was you know stealing
from people or whatever, butit's like everything that I did
before was self-serving, likeeven I mean the bike ride, like
I did it for that girl, right,but it was really also like

(46:58):
maybe like a 60-40, because Ijust really, really wanted a
reason to do it.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
It's like, okay, how would I say it?
It's like you know I alwaystell kids, especially where I
work.
I'm like, okay, if you want tohave a baby, you know you can't
always think of yourself.
It's either, you know, food ordiapers.
You know you pick the two orboth of them, you know.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:25):
Yeah.
And there's things that I'venot always putting yourself
first.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
There were things that when, when I was growing up
, that I felt like not my mom somuch, but more my dad, things
that he would choose that feltlike was more important than
what was right for me, and mysister.
And I'm like I just don't wantto make those same decisions.
Yeah, A lot of it's arounddrinking.
I've made a vow to my son, eventhough he doesn't know what I'm

(47:52):
saying, that he'll never see medrunk.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
Maybe see me have a drink or have a beer or whatever
, because I think it's good forkids to learn what moderation
and like, like healthy drinkingif there is a healthy drinking
looks like, instead of because Ijust saw a lot of oh, I told, I

(48:18):
told myself I'd never drink infront of my kids.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
I mean, I'll go now they're of age and now, like you
know, older.
So I go to a concert, I'll havea couple, you know, but I never
get drunk at home.
Yeah, I never do that.
Right, I can't do that.
I'll go to the bar and thencome home.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
But I won't do that to them yeah, can't, can't.
Can't do it yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:42):
I just my aunt, my mom's sister.
She said that when she became amom and when her kids were
growing up she's like my cousins, they're like.
They never saw her or my uncledrink.
And I remember when she told methis I think I was like maybe
21, 22 or something.

(49:04):
And I was like well, how lame,like you know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
But now I'm like no, that'slike you get it.
That's admirable.
Like you know, to kind of putyour habits and your you know
and think of you know, becauseit is scary when you're a little
kid and you don't know why momor dad is acting that way.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
Yeah right, or you're like what's going on, or you're
like why?
All you just do.
You put the smell.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I can still like.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
You put two and two together.
You're like oh okay you'redoing that.
Yeah, you're doing that, yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:38):
There's yeah, you're doing that.
Yeah, there's still certainsmells.
I'm like the smell of oldEnglish.

Speaker 1 (49:43):
I'm like nope, dang, okay, malt liquor, yeah, malt
liquor.
Oh gosh, okay yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:49):
I'm like nope, I am not drinking that ever.

Speaker 1 (49:57):
Now, with recent events, deployment over there we
won't say where you were at,but you know dealing with some
things during.
Has that affected theadrenaline rush?
Obviously not, because you'redoing the lake.
But has that had anythingaffect what you like to do those

(50:24):
?
I think that let's see, so canI share what happened absolutely
whatever you want, I don't Ididn't want to say it I didn't
want to say it.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I didn't know if it's something that's allowed to be
talked about on the podcast, sono no, you can.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
I just I'm not going to say where you were deployed
right but you can talk aboutyour experience.
But I didn't want to put it outthere for you to do that Right
right.
Because the last thing I wantto talk about Is force somebody
to talk about an event that gavethem PTSD.
And you know, traumatic braininjury you know, Right, and for

(51:02):
someone to have TBI.
I mean you do a fantastic job,you know conversating and
everything else.
I've been, you know, in theArmy and been part of the
warrior transition unit, not theproject, totally different yeah
.
Transition unit is you're inthe Army Right or in the service

(51:24):
, not out there getting moneyfor free.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:29):
But TBI works wonders on the person, the family, and
so has that affected any of theadventures?
I mean, you did Hellens, you'redoing enchantments.
You did Wallawas.
Did helens, you're doingenchantments?
You did walawas?
Obviously not.

(51:49):
But do you feel like you, youhave control of the situation,
or does it?

Speaker 2 (51:52):
take over from time to time it does take over from
time to time.
So what happened to me overthere was I can say country
right, yeah, yeah, yeah, just aspecific location, Jose said but
no, it's up to you what youwant to say.
Okay, okay, I don't care.
Yeah, yeah, they blasted me forsaying.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
COVID once and I was just like oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
No, as far as I know, the event was here.
I'll just tell the story.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
You were in Syria.

Speaker 2 (52:19):
So I was in Syria.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
There you tell the story you were in syria, so I
was in syria, yep there you go Istarted.
I had just gotten there.
I had gone from iraq to syriaum, and that was where our
combat mission was yes, and itwas.
I think it was like day threeof being in syria and we were in
what we call fp con charlie,which basically means everybody
is wearing full kit, you haveyour weapon on battle rattle

(52:45):
you're wearing your helmet evento like to bed.
You take it to the showers withyou if you're allowed to shower,
and so everybody.
We were all in fp con charlieand because of like the threat
level that we were experiencingaround our base yeah and well
you were down, yeah, in themidst of the chaos.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
It's not like you're out there at like bogram air
base or no or on an air base faraway from you know right
someplace so before jose got tothe location in sy Syria that he
went to, yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
I think it was like a month before he got there,
there was a one-way UAS thatkilled a US contractor.
So our forces retaliated andthe Iranians their attack on

(53:42):
ourattack yeah was basicallyafter we all fell asleep.
We had what are called bradleyfighting vehicles like that
we're just sitting outside ofour sleeping quarters and though
that was kind of like the bigfirepower on base right and the,
the iranians wanted to justdestroy them.
Yeah, and because they wereright next to our tents.
They basically dropped.
I think they said right next toour tents they basically

(54:04):
dropped.
I think they said it was likebetween tents, not bunkers.
Guys, tents, tents they, theydropped it was like 15 to like
25 um rockets on our sleepingquarters and all around our
vehicles and it we were justlike all laying in there getting

(54:24):
ready for bed.
I had just like crawled into bedin my kit and it was just like
you heard the first one and itwas like like whoa, but it's
like you.
I've only ever experienced thatin like in a training scenario
right, right, so like your firstinstinct isn't I'm going to die
.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
That right there, though, the training scenario is
kind of intense as well, it isBecause they make it lifelike
they do, and because I've donemultiples of those you think
that you know, my first instinctis training scenario.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, but like and that's such a silly
way of putting it, but, likeyour first instinct, is'm gonna
die you're like holy shit, whatthe hell is going on?
Yeah, I got you, I got you and,and so my friend steve well, so
I won't say his last name.
He was in the bunk next to meand he's like, oh, like that's
like super close and then it wasjust like boom, boom, boom and

(55:18):
you could feel it likebracketing in on our sleeping
quarters and then.
But the alarms didn't go off andwe found out later that it was
kind of a good thing, becausewhen we we were out there the
next morning and we found, likethis huge hole in the ground
where one of the rockets hadlike dropped, and if the alarm

(55:40):
had gone off at the right timeit would have hit us as we were
all running out of our tents tothe bunkers okay and so we were
like well, it's kind of like akind of a good thing, kind of a
not so good thing that yeah.
Blessing in disguise yeah yeah,it's like something was looking
out for us, kind of a thing.
But we we only took onecasualty and he ended up living.

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Our sleeping quarters weretrashed.

Speaker 1 (56:05):
No.

Speaker 2 (56:06):
And we, like the whole platoon, slept in one tent
because they, our leadershipwas like, because we were in
tents by squad, yeah, yeah, yeah, each squad has like nine
people, right, and then afterthis happened, they were like,
well, we don't want everybodylike scattered, you know,
sleeping in this area, sleepingin this area because everybody's

(56:26):
.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
But they train us to be scattered.
So let's all go on a one, yeah.

Speaker 2 (56:31):
I mean, and so that night after it happened, so like
that, that happened at 1036 andwe so we were all in the in the
we went out to the bunkers andthey're still like hitting us
yeah.
And and I'm like I kind of hada moment where I was like this
isn't training, like I'm gettingblown up right now, yeah, and I

(56:51):
get into the bunker and I'mwith like my buddies and I'm
like like, oh, like we're alllike amped up and like Holy crap
, what's going on.
You know, like, like, just likeit was an adrenaline, it's like,
oh my god well it was almostlike like yeah, like it was an
adrenaline rush, like we're alllike laughing and like holy crap
, like yeah.
But then there were people whowere like having full-blown

(57:12):
meltdowns and like crying andlike freaking out.
And then they bring in the guywe.
He got hit in the neck and Idon't know how, but the shrapnel
like mrs carotid and missed hislike throat.
He has just like these two likefrankenstein scars on his neck
but he was bleeding a lot and wewere just like, oh my, in like

(57:33):
the medic.
She was like on it, she was likewell, thank you like ripped off
his shirt and was like checkinghim for other stuff and and he
ended up being okay.
I went with him to the wecalled it the roll one, but it's
the the like medical area onbase and we were, I was sitting
there and there.
The thing that I thought wasstrange, even at the time, was I

(57:57):
always thought if I were toexperience something like this,
it wouldn't be like the movies,yeah, but you know how, like you
know, when you're watching awar movie and you know somebody
is kind of like in a daze andlike like this stuff is
happening and everything soundslike it's really far away.

Speaker 1 (58:18):
That's kind of like how it was, because I was just
something like fourth born theirfourth through July.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Can you watch that movie, born on fourth of july,
with tom cruise?
Have you seen it?
I don't think so.
Well the way you're explainingit, yeah you might maybe you
shouldn't watch it, it's it's.
It's really intense movie anduh there.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
there are some things that I mean, not not because of
this experience, but there's,like other reasons why I can't
watch a lot of movies the daysthat you're explaining it kind
of reminds me of when he wasgoing through the battle scene.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Yeah, yeah, and when you're up to it, watch it Right,
it's really intense.
Oliver Stone does a great jobat what he does.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
We'll have to take a look at it.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Check it out.
It's on Netflix.
Okay, it might be ending soonthough.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Okay, gotcha, you know how they are.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Yeah, yeah, they have movies cycle in and out yeah
yeah, yeah so all right not toget into politics, but you say
iran, right, seeing you know theamericans like myself, you know
pale white guys, ladies, flyiranian flags and think that
we're the bad guy.

(59:28):
How does that make you feellike, do you have thoughts on
that or we don't have to getinto it?
But but you say iran and a lotof people like think that we're
the ones that you know are youknow the bad guys I when I see
stuff like that people don'tknow what they're talking about,
correct?

Speaker 2 (59:48):
The thing is is that I think that there are a lot of
people I mean, I don't know howto say this- I'll say a lot of
people are ignorant.
Well, a lot of people justdon't.
They don't know like what, whatthings like people will be.
Like you know, oh, they'll fly.
Like, oh, pride, like pride.

(01:00:08):
Flags for hamas yeah, and I'mlike yeah, yeah, yeah, you yeah
it's a myth, you would be it's amyth not allowed to be the way
you are you hear my stomach?

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
I think it picked up.
I think it picked up.
That was my stomach.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
I'm hungry but no no it, and so I just think that I
don't get upset about it,because I mean, we're in america
you know, the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
The only thing that that kind of like makes me a
little crazy is when people arelike the like when it comes to
the flag situation, like peopleare protesting the, the ice
raids or whatever, but thenthey'll burn the American flag
and fly the Mexican flag Likethat kind of gets me a little

(01:00:54):
like but one day it's theMexican flag, now it's the
Palestinian flag, and then Imean, if I just wish I was, I
had a flag store, because Iwould be making.

Speaker 2 (01:01:05):
You'd make so much money.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
Yeah, I'd be rich, I'd be rich.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
But when it comes to that, I just, I just think
people just don't know.
Yeah, and and, unless you gothere and you Experience.
Experience what and and thething is is like we're not doing
everything you know.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
moral over there either.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
You know there's a lot of stuff that is kind of so
there's there's some like badthings going on on both sides,
but ultimately I just don'tthink people understand what
certain countries are actuallylike.

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Right countries are actually like right and so.
So what you're saying is thatyou would not be like, let's say
, you had a same-sex partner.

Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
You wouldn't go over there.
No, that's probably not a greatidea.
That's not a great idea.
I had a conversation.

Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
I was in the enchantments you know with
xavier and with ex combatveteran himself and we were
talking about how, you know,when I was in, you really learn
and it's not a myth and a lot ofpeople probably hear this
episode and say I'm not going tolisten anymore because of me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:15):
Okay, Not because of you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:16):
They're going to think you're a rock star.
Had a conversation because youreally learn when you work
around middle eastern.
You've males yeah, obviouslyit's.
You learn that men are forpleasure, women are for babies
and he's all like xavier was alllike like, are you kidding me?

(01:02:38):
Like serious, I'm like dude,yeah.
And then you know the, thecombat veteran behind me, you
know, and andy, and that's allI'll say, uh he's been on the
podcast.
He, he's quiet right.
All he does is like because youdon't talk about it.
No one talks about right rightno one talks about, but they're
playing grab ass and defect andright and they have no bubble.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
They're touching each other, doing things there there
are like there was like weirdstuff too at the market when
we'd go to the market, and sothe thing is too.
Is what other people don'tunderstand, when you're talking
about the Iranian flags andwhatever, is that?
How incredibly sexist?

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
even the good people are.

Speaker 2 (01:03:25):
Yeah so we were.
We had to have a syrian defensehold on sure, oh, we had to have
a syrian defense force personwith us anytime we went on
mission.
And we used to do these um,they were called kls, where we'd
basically go and talk to aSyrian Defense Force leader who
had like intel, yeah, and we'dbasically go so that our platoon

(01:03:50):
leader could go and talk totheir leader, get the intel and
like come back, yeah, and wepretty much kind of played
security for that interaction,in case something were to happen
, for that interaction in casesomething were to happen.
I went on one and I'm I ampretty sure it was like a couple
of weeks after that we hadanother one and they put

(01:04:11):
somebody else on the missionbecause the it was the lead, the
key, the, the leader, didn'twant females on that mission and
he, he was basically like likeplaying a hard ball with, like
if you there are females, likeyou're probably not going to get
your intel kind of yeah and some and the other females, we,

(01:04:33):
except for our medic, becauseour medic, our weight, actually
we had a, we actually hadanother medic and he and he was
male and so, yeah, yeah, he wenton those missions instead of
our female medic, Certain thingsyou don't hear or see and
aren't talked about If it's noton that daily news channel

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
you don't hear anything like this.

Speaker 2 (01:04:52):
Yeah Well, what was interesting about the getting
blown up was we were in thebunkers still actively getting
blown up.
Yeah, like in the bunkers stillactively getting blown up.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:02):
And the somebody had their phone and was like this is
literally on CNN right now,like it's getting reported as
it's happening, yeah, and we'relike able to like have the event
happening to us and thenreading about it on the news,
but then like after it-.

Speaker 1 (01:05:23):
Did it have a scrambler?
Did somebody get in trouble?

Speaker 2 (01:05:25):
so it wasn't.
It wasn't on our end.
Apparently, over at the, therewas like an, there was an
iranian airstrip about like 14,14 kilometers away from where
our base was, that's super closeand there was I'm pretty sure
they're not miles, guys,kilometers what would that be?

(01:05:46):
that would be like what like 10miles, yeah, eight, ten miles
something like that yeah, andthere apparently there was a, an
american reporter over there.
I think it was american.
She was she or he, or whoeverwas american yeah and and over
there reporting, but then, likethe next day, we tried to find

(01:06:06):
the same article and it wastaken down.

Speaker 1 (01:06:08):
Yeah, go figure.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
Yeah.
Go figure it was crazy, though,because when we retaliated the
following day, I was on my towerguard shift.
Yeah, and we got to watch theretaliation.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Did you?
Yeah, and we got to watch theretaliation, did you?
Yeah?
I'm going to ask you were youexcited or were you like, oh my
gosh, this is actually happening.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
I watched the retaliation when the one-way UAS
happened.
I was on towers that night andwe were like whoa boom, boom,
boom Holy crap.
And then they hit us and thenwe were like whoa, boom, boom,
boom, yeah, Holy crap.
And then they hit us and thenwe were kind of our leadership
was on the phone with thePentagon and they were like you
guys have like pretty much.
They gave I think it was theAir Force or somebody

(01:06:57):
authorization to basically justlike and and then, but
ultimately they decided not to.
So we had like a whole plan forthis, like this whole thing to
go down and then it didn't endup happening, so but things are
better, things are good.
Yeah, things kind of creep up.

Speaker 1 (01:07:17):
Are you?
Are you being seen?
Are you taking care of yourself?

Speaker 2 (01:07:20):
I probably could do a better job of taking care of
myself and my mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:07:26):
But it's just hard.
You know, you kind of likeespecially like I'm super busy
all the time and so you know Ido have a hard time sleeping.
I sleepwalk, that's a big.
Thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:39):
You see VA.

Speaker 2 (01:07:41):
I'm in the process.
I really need to get down intoit.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
There's a good drug that will help you with your
nightmares.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
It's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Prezosin, prezosin.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
It's really good, man , my belly, you sound hungry.

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
You can go get a granola bar or something,
prezosin I've been taking it foryears.
It has its ups and downs, butit's mostly ups.
Just know the downs only.
The only time is when I'm likedoing these adventures and I
don't take it that night.
Oh yeah, like a withdrawal kindof no, no, no, it's not a
withdrawal, it's more of like Ikick my own ass right and I
don't have to worry aboutcertain things, yeah something

(01:08:18):
actually weird happened theother day.

Speaker 2 (01:08:20):
I was at work.
Can I say where I work?
I, I work okay it's up to you.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
I mean, it's your, it's your episode.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
I can't I work at starbucks right now okay and the
for the boat shows the likejets fly over oh yeah and I was
helping somebody on window and Ihadn't really had like an issue
aside from like having sleepissues.
I haven't really had an issuewith like having like a freak

(01:08:48):
out with PTSD, since like Imaybe like six months after I
had gotten back, and so it'sbeen a minute Every now, and
then something will happen.
I'm like like what's that?

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Are you the Pasco one or Kennewick Pasco?
Okay, okay, I gotcha, I got you.
I'm just trying to pinpoint.
I got you, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 2 (01:09:06):
But the like, I guess .
The jets flew over and it waslike whoosh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:11):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
And it kind of I don't know it like triggered
something Were you in sweats,did you have to?
Take a I I I didn't sayanything to anybody because, not
, I don't think I I think ifthere's only like maybe two
people at work I've shared thiswith just because, like I don't
know, I don't want it to seemlike I'm having, like I'm trying

(01:09:32):
to like get attention.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Are you kidding me?

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
You're the only one that probably doesn't have like
blue hair septum piercing.
No, our group there is verywell kept.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
But in case anybody there listens to this, but
they're like man, this guy's anass.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
No, everybody there would probably be very
understanding, but I don't wantit to be like like, be the
person who's like you know,having you know, who tries to
make it all about them or triesto you know, try to get
attention or something.

Speaker 1 (01:10:03):
I don't think I wouldn't consider it as
attention.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
I would consider it for your, your sake, your job
and the people around you yeah,so I I started to like my
heartbeat was like I could hearit and I could feel it in my
throat like my stomach, and yeahlike your stomach and I started
getting sweaty and lightheadedand I still was like trying to
take orders and still trying tolike do my job and stuff, and I

(01:10:28):
thought like okay, it's going topass.
And then, like you know, 15minutes will go by and it's not
passing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:34):
How long did it take?

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
I was still feeling jittery when I left work, which
was like 45 minutes later, and Icalled Jose and I told him
about it and stuff and what he'sand well, we, we talked on the
phone about it like up until Ipicked up my son, and then we
talked about it that night andhe's like I think you should
just tell somebody at work thatway.
If you have another like episode, then you can like yeah, you

(01:10:58):
know, maybe it's not like a codeword with somebody and go back
and like kind of wait it out,and then not attention there,
lady.
Yeah, I just I know, I guess Ijust kind of am like, I just
like how?

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
you're afraid you don't want employers to know a
little something about you.
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:20):
Or it's.
It's kind of like certainpeople maybe not not necessarily
, necessarily, I don't want thepeople I work with to know, but
just that, like I said, I justdon't want it to be.
Use it against you, like youhave in the past in the military
career.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Right, I mean that's a prime example.
Yeah, there's a lot of thingsyou don't say, because why
Military lifestyle?
Yeah, Exactly.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:11:46):
But yeah, I think that a lot of the things that
are positive have come out of it, though I think that my stress
level for very mundane thingsthat I used to get really
stressed about don't stress meout anymore.
Being at work and we get like areally big rush.
I feel like I'm able to kind ofkeep my composure because we
work at a really busy store andI feel like I'm able to kind of
keep my composure because we'rewe work at a really busy store
and I feel like before Iprobably would have been like,

(01:12:07):
like, freaking out, but now it'sjust like well, we're not
getting blown up.
So I mean like it's just coffee.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
Yeah, yeah, yes, yes, yes, but that that that shop is
very busy and they need to work.
They very busy and they need towork.
They either need to tear downthat store next to it or what.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
Because that parking is atrocious.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
It is.
It's bad, it's horrible.
I don't go there because ofthat All right.
So we talked about Helen's.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
Talked about the enchantments Three weeks.
How are you prepping for it?
You went on a run today.
How are you prepping to getyour mind right for that
elevation?

Speaker 2 (01:12:52):
For enchantments, enchantments.
What is the elevation?
10,000?
.

Speaker 1 (01:12:57):
No, it's eight oh Eight, it's eight oh Eight.
It's a little more than StHelens, but from the start of
the trailhead to go to Colchukit's like four or five thousand
feet I think.
Hold on Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
So I don't this might come off a little arrogant or
cocky, Go for it.
I feel like I've kind of alwayssort of maintained a certain
level of like fitness, yeah, andI'm definitely not at my
fittest right now 4.8, 4.5, so4,800.

Speaker 1 (01:13:39):
That's the peak.
No, that's just the elevation.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
Oh, the elevation gain.
Okay, Through the traverse theelevation gain the okay, through
the traverse, the traverse yeah, okay, so I I've like
maintained a certain level offitness for most of my life and
like have gotten more fit, orless like a little bit less, but
it's like like.
As far as elevation goes, I'veclimbed the mauna loa in hawaii,

(01:14:10):
okay, and that was sitting atlike 13 600 and it had a pretty
decent elevation gain as well.
I think like where the trailheadwas to the top of the most
prominent yeah mountains, yeah Ithought that that one was the
tallest or was the largestactive volcano in the world, but
it turns out it's Mauna Keawhich is like across the street
Gotcha, but yeah, so.

(01:14:32):
So I guess it's just I I'venever really been too bothered
by elevation when, when I havedone these climbs or anything
like that, not trying to soundarrogant, but I guess I just
don't think about it, I don'treally worry about it too much.

Speaker 1 (01:14:46):
The older you get, you're going to have to think
about it, and I don't think it'sarrogance, but one of the
things that I will say andsuggest, and other people have
heard me say every dog has itsday.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Jose and I, we've had our days has its day.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Jose and I've, we've had our days.
I don't say it's arrogance,because you know, just recently
they had two, two people rescuedoff asgard pass.
Oh yeah, I mean it could be assimple as running out of water I
don't or being ill preparedobviously or just having an off
day and have an off day, yeah so, so what?
That's what I'm saying, likeyeah what are?

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
you doing to prep so right now I'm actually training
for the iron man I'd love to bean iron man someday, but I I'm
not that rich yeah, so I got youno, I'm training for the climb
89 oh, yeah, here yeah it'saugust 5th, which is like a week

(01:15:42):
before my 30th birthday, and soI was like I think I want to do
that for my birthday.
Okay, Climb 89, which remindsme I don't do too many locals.
Oh gotcha.

Speaker 1 (01:15:55):
But Climb 89, I know Everest one is in December
correct, it is the Everest one.
It is the Everest.
Okay, so they moved it.
Yeah, it's december 5th,december 5th, so that's what
you're.

Speaker 2 (01:16:05):
That's, yeah, that's yeah, that's the climb 89 yeah I
mean there there are otherlevels, like they have in each,
like distance yeah, or lap orloop, whatever is a different
mountain, so they have likemount st helens and the
rattlesnake mountain and thenthey have like, but it's just up
and downurna and like it is,which is I thought I thought it

(01:16:26):
was kind of it's going to belike mental hill more I mean
obviously like running, I think.
But if you do 100 loops it's 70miles yeah, yeah and so I I was
just like it's up and down.

Speaker 1 (01:16:41):
So I want to say loops yeah, it's up and downs,
it is.
I was going to say loops, yeah,it's up and downs, it's up and
downs, they say loops on thewebsite.
It is what will kill you.
Yeah, it will hurt you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:50):
Yeah, yeah, because you get going or your leg gives
out.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, so you're prepping for that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
Yeah, I'm prepping for that.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
And and so the training that I'm doing for that
, I've really kind of ramped upmy running over the past month.
I would say hike more, not run,yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:17:11):
Well, I've been doing hiking on Badger.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Yeah, the backside where it's at.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Yeah, and then also hiking on McBee as well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:21):
I hate McBee.

Speaker 2 (01:17:22):
I actually kind of like Mccbee, like I it's, it's
rough like that first like bit,but the rest of it's actually
kind of like sort of pretty yeah, kind of like and you can kind
of see like the whole valley,yeah, I mean it's all deserty,
but yeah, but I like the backend of it oh, the farmland, yeah
, the farmland is nice.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's prettyback there too.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
So climb 89.

Speaker 2 (01:17:44):
Yeah, that's the goal for this year.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I've thought about it .
I might talk to the guy thatputs it out.
That puts it on.
I might just talk to him.
I might talk to him, I might.
Yeah, heinemann is his lastname, jason.
Yeah, heinemann is his lastname Jason Heinemann.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Okay, and you said Badger, so I would like to do
Badger.
The good thing is that Jose'sdone it, so he can give me
advice.

Speaker 1 (01:18:12):
Oh, yes, yeah, that's when he was several pounds
smaller.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Oh my God.
He put on like 40 pounds oflike raw muscle, Just muscle
mass Muscle mass.

Speaker 1 (01:18:26):
Yeah, so those are your necks.
What's in the next year or two?
Any badass adventures, or isthat still when it comes?

Speaker 2 (01:18:40):
that if I can do this climb 89, I I want to try to do
the Badger Mountain and if I,if I do Badger Mountain, I would
like to try to qualify forWestern States.

Speaker 1 (01:18:53):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
And try to run Western States.
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:18:57):
That's a.
That's a big one.
Is it lottery, or you got to betop two and the uh the gold
ticket.
Yeah, yeah, but just to apply,yeah you have to like, do a
qualifying race, either that orone of the um seen some of the
qualifying races around here notaround here, but in the Pacific
Northwest.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
Well, I mean, I mean I've kind of like followed some,
some people, yeah, some somepeople, yeah, yeah, yeah they're
.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
They seem rough, or what's the uh what's the one
that's held in leadville?

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
oh?
You, uh, yeah, yeah, leadville,oh, the leadville one, yeah,
yeah yeah, I think that onewould be cool too, that one
would be awesome yeah, maybe inthe next five years, I'd maybe
try to shoot for bad water okay,bad really yeah, bad water
would be tough, but okay, sothat's where you're sitting.
Let's go let's go, let's go,let's go, yeah yeah, I mean, I

(01:19:53):
love hiking, but me and josehave talked about doing mount
hood or mount rainier next year,next summer, you do rainier,
let me know yeah, for sure I'llbe your guys's partner I've been
trying to get a team.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Yes, uh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've done.
I've done adam's hood, all theabove oh okay, yeah nice but
when you do rainier I'll be gladto rope up with.
Uh, jose and yeah yeah, thathe'll definitely be the anchor.
I I did.
I did bring him on the team,but I don't know if the team
will continue.
Just a bunch of yeah.

(01:20:28):
Yeah, involve it.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
When you get involved with people who like to do that
more than they like to do theactivity that's where things
kind of start to go a little.

Speaker 1 (01:20:41):
Or they do it during the activity.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yeah, oh my gosh, I just don't agree.
So I climbed humphreys peak inarizona a few years ago and my
friend damien.
He met me in in vegas when Iwas driving through yeah picked
him up at the airport and wewent to humphreys peak and we
were climbing and he, well, wegot there and he's like, uh, do

(01:21:03):
a shot at the bottom and a shotat the top.
And I'm like that top.
I'm like I'm like you can dothat, bro, like you know
whatever, well, so he took hisshot at the bottom, but he was
not in great shape yeah, but Iwill tell you damien is.
He's an interesting cat but hegot altitude sickness like
pretty bad around 10 000 feetand he he did not make it to the

(01:21:25):
top I went I went by my I wentwell.
A person I was dating at thetime went with him if you can do
humphriesys, you can do Hood.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
It's the same setup, Humphreys.
You know how you can take thechair lift all the way up.

Speaker 2 (01:21:38):
To Humphreys.

Speaker 1 (01:21:40):
Yeah, the highest peak in Arizona.
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:42):
Yeah, I didn't know, there was a chair lift.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
You didn't see the chair lift.

Speaker 2 (01:21:45):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:21:46):
Hmm, yeah, yeah, mount hood's almost like that.
It reminds me of it.
The only thing is, is mounthood's not, as it doesn't have
too many trees?
It doesn't have as much treesas like humphreys.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Well, but but they, there's a lot of snow.
There's like snow year round onmount hood yeah, but not right
now.
Yeah, I guess it looked likethere was when I was driving
past it the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:22:08):
Yeah, the top, the top the top is less exposed, or
yeah, it's more freezing upthere, but uh, no, I would
rather do hood when you'resupposed to may june may is a
lot colder than june, yeah, butit's a lot safer than right now
because of rock fall yeah butyou got ice fall, you got

(01:22:30):
avalanches, you got bad weather.
So may june is the best part ofbest time to do it.
If you do, hood, let me knowI'll go up there.
I'll be glad to take you guys upthere if you guys are are
sending out invites yeah, I meanwe.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
I mean we did this one with mount st helens by
ourselves because it was like avery he came home from work and
he was like we can get thetickets for Mount St Helens like
today, yeah, but maybe nottomorrow.
Yeah, yeah, and so we kind ofjust booked it.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
That's awesome.
That's the way to go.

Speaker 2 (01:23:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:04):
I would definitely have you guys go to Adams if you
haven't yet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Okay, do.

Speaker 1 (01:23:09):
Adams before Hood and then.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Yeah, do Adams, yeah, kind of working your way up Do?

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
Adams before Hood.
Yeah, just so you can have yourcake and eat it too.
Yeah, and be prepared.
What to do, what not to do?
Mm-hmm Adams is a good starterfor mountaineering, hood's a
little more hectic and moretechnical.
Yeah, but it also is the mostannoying because of the traffic,

(01:23:35):
is there a lot of traffic.
It's more, yeah, it's.
Traffic makes it more dangerousyes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
So, as we've seen on mount mount everest, like over
the past like 10 years, as thelike guiding stuff has gotten
bigger.
Yeah, more people are dyingjust because they're sitting
there waiting and people willalways be the the, the bad stuff
, yeah yeah so okay, so we gotthat.

Speaker 1 (01:23:59):
But what about personally?
Have you guys hinted about?
You know, the big day?
Like marriage the big day.
Have you, have you not?

Speaker 2 (01:24:11):
yet I keep making jokes.
No, we just haven't, is he?

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
gonna be one of those guys, those those beta males
that you have to propose to himwill not.

Speaker 2 (01:24:26):
He's gonna listen to this and he's going to, and he's
going to, like, propose nextweekend, right?
No, he's going to be like man.
F you man F you Nah call him abeta.
He's like the least beta guyRight.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Exactly, that's what I said.
I love you, jose.
You know that I need sometequila from Mexico, though.

Speaker 2 (01:24:44):
Yeah, he gets it sometimes.

Speaker 1 (01:24:48):
Yeah, he's been, yeah , neglecting his brother.

Speaker 2 (01:24:52):
Yeah, yes, well, we've talked about it and we
actually kind of picked out aring back when I was still
pregnant, yeah, but now the ringis like discontinued and
they're not making them anymoreand they're out of them.
And there were just some.
I think there were some kind oflike financial hiccups, that
kind of came along, and I knowthat he wants to propose with

(01:25:15):
something.

Speaker 1 (01:25:16):
Gotcha.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
And we've talked about like just saying, screw it
, we're going to Mexico thisNovember for a scuba diving.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
When you say Mexico, I say tequila, tequila yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
Especially that stuff that he brought the first time.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
I don't drink tequila anymore tequila, yeah, yeah,
especially that stuff that hebrought.
I don't drink tequila anymore,but you know, I I never been a
tequila connoisseur until untiljose well, no, no, the older you
get, the wiser you you are yeah, then you're like you know,
less preservatives is so muchbetter than the cheap shit, so
you definitely end up gettingthe most expensive tequila.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Yeah, you're on, you're on board, you can drink
more tequila than you did in thepast, but with whiskey I mean,
I'm not sitting here doingshooters but like if I if I'm
gonna have like whiskey withdinner or something like that,
I'm not getting like, like idahogold shout out idaho gold.
Yeah, no, you go expensive, nomatter what you back when I was

(01:26:11):
in Idaho and I was a brokecollege student and stuff like
that, me and Damien used to buyIdaho gold because it was like
$3.95 for a pint.

Speaker 1 (01:26:22):
The only cheap whiskey I get is damn Pendleton
whiskey.
Oh my dad drinks that.
I can drink it.
It's so smooth, it's so good.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
That's how my dad is too.
That's the cheapest I'll go.
It is the oh I guess it'sbecause I've been spoiling
myself with Woodford Reserve.
Woodford, yeah, yeah, and it'sso smooth.

Speaker 1 (01:26:41):
We could talk all day about the whiskey, but I'm just
saying get the good stuff, notthe stuff that they give
Americans there.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
you know good thing?
Oh yeah, that they just put inthe hotel room For meldehyde.

Speaker 1 (01:26:53):
yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
But yeah, we're going there for a scuba diving trip,
okay, and Watch the Seinfeldepisode.

Speaker 1 (01:27:00):
Okay, the scuba when they went up too.
You need to.
You need to watch that episodeand watch the Nose Job.
The Nose Job is hands down myfavorite episode.
It's the best episode Becauseof Kramer, how he does it, how
his delivery, and everybodybroke.
Everybody broke after Kramersaid what he said.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
And we were just like , oh my God, you know, there's
like sitcoms that peoplerecommend because they've been
like really popular, and I thinkI just kind of get on a loop of
watching the office americandad friends if you watch friends
, you can watch seinfeld yeah, Imean, I think I've seen one or
two episodes of seinfeld, but Ihaven't seen it like seinfeld on

(01:27:45):
the background and still yeah,and still like do life.
Yeah, that's what I do with theoffice.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
I did that today actually what I would suggest
you do go from season five tonine, which is the last one, but
then start the first to fivefor first, through four last,
that's what I was saying forseinfeld.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Yeah, why is that?

Speaker 1 (01:28:06):
because they were on their peak after the fifth
season.
They were at their peak, and itwas just it hit different and
then you go from the firstseason, the first episode.
You're like damn, I'm glad Idid what I did.

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
That's how Friends is too, like I.
Actually, I was sick for like aweek, and so I rewatched
Friends.

Speaker 1 (01:28:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Because it's kind of just one of those shows.
It's like's like, you know youjust want to feel like you're at
home and you just want to feelgood, you know, and friends is
like that for me and my sisterand so seinfeld's a show about
nothing right, yeah I meanliterally so is friends.
I mean, friends is what is thesame thing?
Pretty much.
It's like just like people justtrying to live life yeah, six

(01:28:50):
friends.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
I was a joey fan living, living it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:52):
But I feel like, once it gets to, I feel like after
the vegas episode okay wherethey all go to vegas to get joey
yeah, yeah I feel like that'swhen it kind of starts to kind
of fall off.
Yeah, I mean there's still somelaughs and there's some like
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:29:12):
It's probably when they all wanted to get paid a
certain amount.

Speaker 2 (01:29:16):
Yeah, and and then I when, I watched the friends
reunion.
They were talking about howthey put.
They got Rachel and Ross backtogether and had Emma and they
made them have like the babybecause they thought that it was
going to end in season eight oh, okay but then it ended up
getting more money for like twomore seasons.

Speaker 1 (01:29:38):
So just like the will and grace I've never seen that
one either it's pretty funny, isit?
People were like nick, you'reall over the place with your
shows.
I don't watch sitcoms, butthose were, those were.
Those were good will.
Will and grace was a good onetoo, before they started up
again yeah okay, so rainiermaybe.

(01:30:00):
Yeah, invite please yeahdefinitely.
Uh, if you guys need a tourguide up enchantments, I would
be glad to hook you up and showyou the the scenery definitely
it's pretty fun.
A lot of mosquitoes, a lot offlies bring.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
Buy one of those five dollar nets oh, yeah, they look
goofy, but you'll, it'll beworth it yeah, wear long sleeve,
not cotton.
But you know, yeah, somethingbreathable.

Speaker 1 (01:30:30):
breathable, yes, know , yeah, something breathable,
breathable yes, do that and wearsomething breathable pants.
I wouldn't go shorts.
Okay, I would not go shorts,because if you go three weeks,
mosquitoes are going to be thereeven more and it's just going
to be hectic.

Speaker 2 (01:30:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:30:46):
So, but have a blast with the goats.
They love urine, by the way.

Speaker 2 (01:30:50):
Oh fun.
They can hear you a mile awaythat's why they're up there and
then, yeah, you're just peeingand then they just trot on up to
you, yeah, yeah, you saw thevideo right, did you see the
video?
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
surprised me.
I was all like head to toecovered, but not my toes.
I I was, with no socks or shoes, on rough granite and I was
peeing, didn't know it was justwaiting there just hanging out
with us waiting for us to peeand, yeah, just chilling Moved
me out of my way.
I had to stop and then gosomewhere else and then the

(01:31:23):
moment I did stop, they followedthat.
Yeah, it's crazy, you did notknow, but it's their salt lake,
it's the way they get theirelectrolytes and it's so weird
how they do that.
Yeah, but you have a blast.
But, yeah, hood comes around.
If you guys wanted me to bethere, you know I'm always game.
Jose knows I'm game.
He, yeah, he gives me 12 hournotice.

(01:31:47):
I'm, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:49):
anybody knows me I that's what I've started to
notice, because I think I'veonly ever had like three
interactions with you yeah, heknows I'm game when he did he
post anything about on instagramabout us going on mount st
helens?
Is that how you found out aboutus going or no, because he was
like oh, dude, that was theenchantments.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
Oh, I went to helens.
I was like, oh, thanks, dude,thanks bro.
But here I am in champs he was.
He was all getting the bait onthat, on the enchantments, and I
was just like, oh yeah, thanks,thanks for the invite.
But definitely helens is adifferent beast and and people
think it's.
You know eight, three eight,three, six three you can be.

(01:32:27):
It's a walk in the park.

Speaker 2 (01:32:29):
No, definitely not moderate for anybody who wants
to go do it.
Yeah, not moderate.

Speaker 1 (01:32:34):
When people say that they don't know what they're
talking about.
Bring trekking poles, yeah, yep, yep.
And bring two pairs of socksand some gators for your shoes,
or just wear pants.

Speaker 2 (01:32:46):
Just wear pants Gators would be great, so you
don't get rocks in your shoes.

Speaker 1 (01:32:52):
And lots of water correct.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yeah, oh, so dehydrated.

Speaker 1 (01:32:54):
Oh, yeah, yeah, Okay.
How do you feel about thisepisode?

Speaker 2 (01:32:58):
Feel good for the first time being on a podcast.
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:33:04):
Did it get your adrenaline going?
Do you think you can do itagain, and again, and again?
Like come back, or yeah, notjust come back here, come back
here, but like if somebody hearsyour story, they want you to,
you know, talk about otherthings, like more about syria,
or something like that, becausethere's always listeners that
want that kind of thing, andthen, steal or right, I think I

(01:33:28):
would be.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Yeah, I think like most of the adrenaline was on
the way here.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
On the way here, because you didn't know.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Just like my hands kind of sweating and like.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:33:36):
Well, I'm like, what if I say something stupid?
Or you know, like that kind ofa thing you met your match.
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:33:44):
But it's easy right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:45):
Yeah, it is, it's just a conversation.
And at certain points, I waspoints.
I forgot that we were evenrecording.
Exactly, and we are, I'mactually worried that maybe I
haven't been close enough to themic.
No, you're good, it picks it up.

Speaker 1 (01:33:57):
It picks it up pretty good and if not, I got the good
stuff.
It'll take care of you.

Speaker 2 (01:34:02):
It'll take care of you, but no, it's been a blast
and I'm pretty sure we can go alittle more, but this is
probably one of the longestepisodes I've had in a while.
Oh yeah, there's a lot ofground to cover.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
I feel like, yeah, yeah I wish you wanted to cover,
I wish we had more, because Ireally I think there's more to
it, though.
Why?
Why, though?
I think the why is still up inthe air and and, yeah, I don't
think it's here for the podcastnow or never.
It probably will never be on,but I would like to one day sit
down and and hear your why moreof a why.

Speaker 2 (01:34:37):
Yeah, I think that I don't know.
I guess I I feel like I amalways kind of chasing something
I got you.
Yeah, just kind of running tosomething, and I feel like when
I was a kid I was more sorunning away yeah, but now that
I I feel like I'm in a veryhappy place I got you, I gotta

(01:34:57):
and that's why I say never yeah.
That's why I say never yeah, andwe'll leave it that way back
back when I was in my early 20sand I started this journey with,
like, wanting to be an ultrarunner and things like that, and
I mean I've always wanted toclimb mountains and stuff like
that, since I was a kid andskydiving, rock climbing, all

(01:35:17):
that stuff you know, but it wasalways just sort of like I feel
like it was trying to fill avoid I got you now.
It's just understand now, it'sjust because it's stuff that
I've always done and it's stuffthat I love.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:35:33):
I love feeling it sounds so weird to say it, but I
love feeling kind of beat down.
I got you and I feel like youdon't really get that feeling
doing much else Walk in the park.
Yeah, you don't get thatfeeling of like oh my god, if I
get out of bed, my like legsmight give out if you're just,

(01:35:56):
you know, walking your dog athoward park, you know, and so
it's, it's just there.
I like that feeling of I, I did, I did something that I didn't
know if I was capable of doing,you know, finding those next
level.
Well yeah, I got you, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Well, you know, it wasn't, it didn't come off cocky
, but just be prepared.
Be, prepared for the unprepared.
A lot, a lot of things havehappened on Asgard Pass this
year Somebody did lose theirlife up there, but yeah, it did
yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
By no means was I saying, oh, it's's just gonna be
easy or whatever, it's just Iguess.
I just I think the way that Iapproach things like this is
that I have an expectation, yeah, and then I'm very easy to
adjust expectations.
And so it is the same way withmount st helens.
Like I was like, oh, it saysmoderate, like we're just gonna

(01:36:53):
walk up, mind blown you know.
But then I was, like you know,hearing other people who were on
the mountain and they're like,oh, there's like nine of these
rock faces, and I'm like okay,adjust expectations.
This is probably going to takelonger.
This is probably going to hurt.

Speaker 1 (01:37:08):
Tomorrow it's going to take longer.
I forgot to mention but I'llsay this and we'll leave it as
that uh, the enchantments afterthe core.
Well, the whole enchantment isthe core, but when I call the
core, up there with the granite,you know right right the, the
rests and with the trees, that'sjust trash to me.

(01:37:32):
But the moment you start goingdown after the cord towards Snow
Lake and through Snow Laketrailhead, there's a lot of
blowdown trees, a lot of rockslides that haven't been cleaned
up.
So be prepared for that.

Speaker 2 (01:37:50):
Yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:37:51):
It's not as easy when it was when I was with Jose.
Yeah, would you have to borderhop, not border hop, border hop,
boulder, boulder hop and gounder a lot of trees that you
know.
It was not like that before.
But you know, because of thecuts they don't do what they do.

(01:38:13):
I don't think they ever didthat.
I think a lot of this has to gothrough.
The people up top get paid toomuch to do so little.
I think they could have donesomething with more care and
equally out the duties and thepay and equally out the duties
and the pay.
And when you go down past thecore on the descent and

(01:38:38):
everything else, you'll see whatI'm talking about.
It is not maintained at all,gotcha and there's shit, human
feces.

Speaker 2 (01:38:46):
Oh, my God.

Speaker 1 (01:38:47):
Right on the side of the trail.

Speaker 2 (01:38:49):
Ugh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:50):
On the trail, gotcha.
And can I tell you this yeah,there's a lot of people up there
.
It's permit-based.
There's not one ranger when itgets out.
There's going to be more peoplethere not even doing the permit
.
No lottery, and there werepeople there already.
So word's already out.
I'm just making it known.
Like, hey guys, if you guyswant to do enchantments, do the

(01:39:12):
enchantments.

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
Because right now there's not one ranger, there's
not one person paying attentionand people there are more.
I saw more fecal matter fromhumans than goats Jeez.
So it's pretty messed up and alot of people are like
enchantments.
No, it's, it's, it's overratedin the moment.

(01:39:36):
You see what I, what people see, they don't talk about you.
You'll be like, you'll be Ithink that they're there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:42):
Was it like that when you guys went before?

Speaker 1 (01:39:45):
yeah you had to watch where you step.
Oh, with jose, no, no.

Speaker 2 (01:39:50):
We ran into Rangers.
I think that the I guess thatwas post-COVID I was going to
say I feel like there's a lot oflike lackadaisical things kind
of happening with the parks andrec, like funding.
Maybe not funding but like thelike getting enough people to.

Speaker 1 (01:40:10):
I think the people up top got paid more than the
average person and that affectsthe.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Yeah, they're hiring too many big dogs and not enough
people to monitor the trails.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:40:22):
And yeah, and it's on us too, as people who hike it,
like I mean.
Yeah, there's a shit bag thatthey give out, you gotta go out
there and take a shit at least,like dig a hole.

Speaker 1 (01:40:33):
Yeah, but no, it was right on the side, it was right
on, that's wild.

Speaker 2 (01:40:36):
Wow, that's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Like that's just no it was almost like going to
Badger and you see the dog shit,yeah, but human shit everywhere
.
It's gross.
It's gross.
That's something that you don'thear about, you don't talk
about it.
That's wild, and there's tonsof times when you go there and
you smell human fecal instead ofthe trees and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:40:57):
It's gross.
It's not what you want.
No, no, you want to go thereand smell a sewer.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Yeah, so yeah, the enchantments it's beautiful.
But a lot of people think it'sso beautiful they I don't
believe they've gone outside ofother places right and I think
that's why it's just blown outblown out of proportion well,
and it's just like we tookbetter care of it.

(01:41:21):
Yeah, maybe well, not so muchthat scenery wise, scenery wise.
There's so many more mountainranges out there that uh put
enchantments to shame for sureyeah for sure, and I've said
that since day one yeah the corewhen you're up there after cold
chuck yeah that's where youwant to be.

(01:41:41):
That is where you want to beafter asgard.
Pass right there.
If I can stay 14 days and Iwould just right there just
because it's beautiful yeah,it's just there's nothing like
it.
But outside of that, you neverhear anything about it.
You always hear oh, the car,you hear that and I would.
Yeah, that would stay there.
I would only go there and notleave.

(01:42:04):
So but till next, keep that inmind.
Yeah, till next time till timeTill next time.
Yeah, you had a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:42:11):
I did.
Yeah, this was a lot of fun,not as nerve wracking as I
thought.

Speaker 1 (01:42:15):
You know I've done so many of these that people are
like oh, I'm so nervous.
And they'd be like damn, isthis still recording, Like yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:42:32):
You know, I'm trying to do more stuff to kind of not
necessarily get myself out there, but just sort of like uh
challenge myself in more of a,uh, social way.
Yes, I'm I, you know, doingthis, yeah, and then also in set
, like sometime in september.
It's like the first weekend ofseptember I'm doing open mic
night no way a comedy thing?
Open mic night at jokers?

Speaker 1 (01:42:48):
no way yeah, nice congrats.
You gotta let me know, I'll bethere, I'll be there.
I love, I love comedy I thinkit's thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
It's like the first thursday of the month nice I'm
trying to put something together, just trying to figure out what
kind of line I want to go on.

Speaker 1 (01:43:03):
Please invite, I'll be there I will definitely be
there.
Start the laughs, in case Ibomb yeah, because september's
september is cross-countryseason and that's my place to
unwind.
Okay, so yeah definitelyfrequent the comedy scene there.

Speaker 2 (01:43:20):
Yeah.
So let me know my sister's likedude, if you bomb it's going to
be so bad for you.

Speaker 1 (01:43:24):
If you bomb, it's open mic, it's fine, everybody
else?

Speaker 2 (01:43:27):
is going to be there and bomb, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Yeah, yeah, open mic, it's fine, everybody else is
gonna be there and bomb likeit's fine.
Yeah, yeah, I just wanted totry it.
That's a blast.
Well, you killed it here.
Keep killing it, keep killingthe trails, keep killing those
projects, those adventures andyou, being with jose, he has a
ton of adventures.
Just just make sure he's smartabout it oh, yeah, all right,
yeah, because yeah, jose weshould do a couple podcasts.

Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
Do Do it, get us both on here, get it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:53):
Yeah, jose, you're next man.
You guys are next Till nexttime Till next time.
Thank you, Melissa.
It's been a pleasure.
We'll see you next time.

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