Metal Riffs & Country Roots with Jared Graham

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SPEAKER_01 (00:28):
Marge Graham, how are you?

SPEAKER_00 (00:30):
Doing good, man.
How about yourself?

SPEAKER_01 (00:31):
I'm doing all right, doing all right.
A little hot up here, but I justgot done, you know, outside work
and everything else.
I was just like, can't have aguy who's coming in the teacup
studio, right?
This is what it is.
Welcome to the teacup studio.
But can't have a guy come in andhave my yard looking like S.
I mean, didn't look bad, but youknow, the leaves, tis the
season, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (00:52):
And uh you're doing a damn good job out there, man.
It looks good.
I know, but yeah, it's that timeof year again.

SPEAKER_01 (00:56):
So I had to bust my butt to get everything going
before you got here.
And so thank you for thecompliment.
But teacup studio, man, right?
When it started, it was allgirls, everything.
Girl, girl, because I got threegirls.
I'm gonna go.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's the youngest one.
The other one, 18, she thinksshe knows it all, you know, and
just does everything she wantsto do.

(01:17):
Yeah, yeah.
And she, you know, still in highschool, but she's she thinks she
has figured everything out, butnot really.
And so it's trials andtribulations with parenting and
uh spin, you know.
And then the middle one, youknow, she she's she qualified
for districts and swim, and shehas uh, I guess a boyfriend from

(01:40):
Sila.
So I mean, I don't know how shemanages that, but she has her
boyfriend's mom drive him backand forth.
And I guess mom, as I'm workingto death, like you know, we have
to reschedule, I'm working mybutt to death, you know, and
everything else.
And I guess mom drove the mydaughter to Sila the other day

(02:01):
and back.
I'm like, Are you kidding me?
Uh don't ask.

SPEAKER_00 (02:05):
I mean, not ask.
Whatever for the relationship,man.
And uh do we approve the guy atleast?
Do we I mean man?

SPEAKER_01 (02:11):
I I I said probably one thing to him, man.
And he's probably said one thingto me.
I I've just been working, youknow.

SPEAKER_00 (02:17):
Oh man, yeah.
I mean, from what I've seen,what I've seen for what you do
with this, and then yeah, butwhat yeah, you're definitely on
the go, man.
So I mean, even when we talkedlast week about rescheduling, I
I I knew when you were justlike, hey, I I'm not trying to
bail on you.
But I could I was like, I mean,I I'm with you when we've been
through those times and you'rejust on that roll, you're like,
I just need to just break, likejust kind of just disconnect for

(02:39):
a little bit.

SPEAKER_01 (02:39):
Yeah, and then there was one one episode that uh it
took six months to get going,man.
There's so much reschedules.
This this person's schedule, themy schedule, it was just bad.
That was the worst uh rescheduleconflict ever.
Yeah, for six months.

SPEAKER_00 (02:55):
That's that's insane.

SPEAKER_01 (02:56):
Six months, but at least it came around because
that has yeah, yeah, and it andit kicked butt, but yeah, yeah.
So I I try not to do that thatmuch anymore.
Normally it's like, okay, I'llI'll bite the bullet and and you
know get something going.
But yeah, six months, man.
And so when it's uh out a week,I'm okay with that.
And hopefully you are too.

SPEAKER_00 (03:16):
Oh, yeah, no, not so not a big deal for me.

SPEAKER_01 (03:18):
So welcome to the T Cup Studio, man.

SPEAKER_00 (03:20):
It's glad to be here.

SPEAKER_01 (03:21):
Yeah, a lot of people like, so this is what it
is.
A lot of the rodeo guys, youknow, because the rodeo guys
listen, you know, yeah,religiously, and and they're
like, T cup studio, gotta go tothe teacup studio studio, even
though they don't know what itis, they just heard about it.
And so when they're in here,they're like, This is what it is
all about, you know.
So slowly but surely it'sbecoming a man cave, but still

(03:43):
teacup studio stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (03:44):
Hey, no, this but this this is very comfortable.
I've never I've never doneanything like a podcast
interview or anything like that.
So this is new for me.
So I'm I have no frame orreference of anything.

SPEAKER_01 (03:55):
So well, welcome to the dark side, man.
Yeah, the the one reference thatyou gotta keep in mind is uh
everything people love raw, justnot cut, just go with the flow.
I mean, I don't know if youlisten to podcasts like Joe
Rogan, all of his.
I don't think he even edits his.
I try not to edit mine.
The only time I edit is like Isaid before, if something

(04:18):
happens or if I say something,or you say something, and we
both agree, okay, we'll takethat out.
So yeah, outside of that, man,all goes.
Yeah, all goes.

SPEAKER_00 (04:31):
I've heard some of your episodes.
Yeah, okay.
And with some of the guys that II've known or heard of.
So it was I I like theconversations you guys have that
I know that's real and raw.
So that's that's what I feelfeel comfortable coming into
this, going like I could I couldtell I'd totally be myself, you
know.
I don't feel like I have to holdback.
I can just be open with you.

SPEAKER_01 (04:49):
Well, you got the rock star status look, man.
You got the the bandana, you gotthe rock and roll shirt, you
know, and everything else.
You played, you were in MiltonFreewater?

SPEAKER_00 (04:58):
Yeah, uh yesterday.
Last night.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
From one to three, I was inMilton Freewater at Mongata
Winery.
Yeah.
Uh fall release weekend for thatentire area.
So it was a big weekend for allthe wineries.
So the I played for Mongata backin June.
Oh, yeah.
And they asked me to come backfor this this time of year.
You know, three.

(05:19):
Yeah.
So it but it actually it's kindof funny, it actually felt
longer because obviously withthe time change, yeah, and the
the winery is several miles eastoutside of town, so it's in this
crevice of the mountains.
Okay, yeah.
So you're literally when the sungoes down, like at like two
o'clock, the sun's down overthat ridge, and so you're and it
just seems like it's evening.
Uh the trend.
So, but it's a really cool, it'sa converted old barn that they

(05:40):
turn into a winery taste room.
Yeah, it was just nice, youknow, it was laid back, you
know, and people were warm.
They had fire pits going oninside, so I felt I got the
warmth from the in from theinside.
It definitely got cold, but whenyou're performing, you know,
you're just you're just doingyour thing, you're sweating.
I think my hands got cold, butwhen I stopped, that's when I'm
like, oh wow, okay.
Get get get get a jacket andeverything.
I'm like, I'm I'm freezing now.

(06:01):
Okay, I got you.

SPEAKER_01 (06:02):
So when you when when I asked you if it's too hot
in here, you're like, it's fine.

SPEAKER_00 (06:06):
No, yeah.
No, this is perfect.

SPEAKER_01 (06:07):
All right, all right.
So yeah, you you you come heresometimes.
I see that you played in Idaho,but you don't play in the valley
that much.
It's mostly tree-lined wests,and then you play in Idaho and
Milton Freewater.
So that's Oregon.

SPEAKER_00 (06:23):
Yeah.
I I don't, it's not like I havelike a frame of reference of
where I play.
It's just it's just whatever,just what's available.
And trust me, I would love toventure out and do more stuff in
the valley and all that, butnothing's come about yet.
And hopefully one day we get todo that a little bit more.
But yeah, I know it's yeah,definitely.
Um yeah, if you put up a map ofwhere I've been, it's just yeah,

(06:44):
sporadic as hell.

SPEAKER_01 (06:45):
Because I try to look at your guys' schedules,
you know, especially the onesthat do travel, and you know, I
I I find not on Instagram, butthe local brewery or wineries
and stuff like that.
You know, I try to see the localtalent and everything else, and
you popped up.
And I was trying to figure outhow did we start following?
Because I always try to figureout when uh you know, I start

(07:07):
following somebody or they startfollowing me.
And I I was trying to thinklike, when did you follow me and
when did I follow you?
I don't know, but we we wecrossed paths and was trying to
figure out your schedule hereand there, yeah, and and and
it's it was tough.
So I'm like, all right, well,you know what?
Let's just go, let's just gowith it.
Gotcha on.

(07:28):
All right, musician, you'resolo, and you have a band,
you're lead singer and leadguitarist of Steel and Saddle.

SPEAKER_00 (07:38):
We're the we're the guitarist of Steel and Saddle,
yeah.
Yeah, Braden uh Benkovich uh isthe lead guitarist for us.
And shout out to Brayden.
Yeah, that those that's whatI've been doing, yeah, for the
last several years.

SPEAKER_01 (07:49):
And then like as I've been following you, man, I
noticed, dude, like you arequite the metal head.
Yeah, dude.
I'm like, bro, do we just becomebest friends?
Because you know, you know, I Ilove the some of the country
scene, you know, and but I alsolove the metal.
But man, you really you you putmore emphasis on the metal on
your social media than you do,you know, the country jams and

(08:12):
stuff like that, the countryrock jams.

SPEAKER_00 (08:15):
Oh, I I do that honestly, that's how I really
branched off as a musician, likeway when I because I haven't
played guitar when I was in myyou know early teens.
So metal, you know, was the thething I love.
I still love to this day.
So that that's still like my youknow still my baby, you know.
I I still love it, you know.
It's just been it's been therefor me for as long as I can

(08:37):
remember.

SPEAKER_02 (08:38):
Right.

SPEAKER_00 (08:38):
And I mean I I listened to country when I was
younger, but it didn't I thinkwhen I got to my later teens,
that's when I appreciated,especially the older country.
The appreciate the poetry, therawness, and the the it's
genuine like the emotion thatthey convey.

(08:58):
It was like it was like it'slike, oh my gosh, that's what
I'm exactly feeling.
That that's so I a lot of thoseguys that I kind of realized,
like Wayland and all those guys,like they're they're rockers
too.
Yeah, in their own sense.
So they're it's so it kind ofhelped it, it felt like there
was a bridge between, but Iyeah, metal for me has always
still been been there for me.

unknown (09:18):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (09:18):
So you're from Ellensburg.
Well, and you know, I knowCentral Washington has one heck
of a uh football team, but theyalso a lot of kids out of this
area go to central Washingtonbecause they have a great uh
band program, marching bandprogram.

SPEAKER_00 (09:34):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (09:34):
Now, were you part of that or no?

SPEAKER_00 (09:37):
So this is actually kind of funny.
So when I went to Central,because I I'm I'm originally
from the west part ofWashington.
So I grew up around BellevueIsaquois area on the west side
of the mountains.
And when I went to Central outof high school, I went for the
music major degree.
Okay, so I I I I okay, so I wasgoing for that.

(10:00):
I I I just love music so muchthat I was like, oh, whatever
this is, and yeah.
So the so they put you right in.
Like, oh, you're going formusic, here's your introduction
classes, you gotta do this, andit was it was so intimidating.
I was scared to death.

SPEAKER_01 (10:14):
Yeah, you wouldn't think it's that big of a program
because it's not big of aschool, kinda.
If you if you don't knowanything about it, it's like all
right, central washing, allright.
Well, but then when you hearthese kids auditioning and not
making it or making it barely,you're like, wow, it's that big,
and yeah, it's crazy huge there,man.

SPEAKER_00 (10:34):
Yeah, I mean, just and the the amount of the kids I
was around at the time in thatprogram, yeah.
I mean, smart.
They just knew their instrumentsin and out, they knew exactly
all the compositions andeverything, and it was a really
cool experience.
But for me, it was, you know, Ican't read music.
Uh sheet music, I can't.
So I'm in these, I'm in theselike classrooms in front of

(10:54):
these professors trying to likebreak down works of Beethoven
and all this other stuff, andyou're going like, I can't I
can't read where we're at, Idon't know what's going on.
And so they so I think afterthat end of that quarter, I had
to sit down with the advisorsand a few other people, and
they're just like, Okay, what'syour background music?
I'm like, I'm a guitar player,you know, dah dah dah.
And they're going, uh-huh, okay.

(11:16):
So, like, can you like what'syour background?
And they asked me the samething, have you done choir
marching band in high school oranything previously?
And I was like, No.
And they just kind of likelooked over my profile and
they're going, like, you're notgonna make it in this program.
This is not for you.
Okay.
And it which is fine.
Honestly, I was like, I waslike, cool, thank you so much.
And I moved on to anotherdegree, but I it didn't stop me

(11:41):
from still playing music on myown.
Like it was still something Iwanted to do.

SPEAKER_01 (11:45):
But so Central Washington.
Did you what did you end up uhgraduating with?

SPEAKER_00 (11:49):
Industrial engineering and technology.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
So like luckily at the same timewhen when they told me that I'm
not gonna make in that degree,yeah, I was doing like a
engineering one-on-one class.
Okay, and it was a lot of fun,so I immediately just shifted
gear, like right after they'relike quarter.
I'm like, oh, I'm gonna go dothis.
Yeah.
So that's immediately so Ididn't I wasn't like in like a
quarter or two of going, like,what am I what am I gonna

(12:11):
graduate with?
What's my major gonna be?
I just immediately just shiftedgear and just that was just a
little speed bump.
Yeah, just a speed bump, and andlike I uh so it didn't stop me
because like I was still doingsome other music classes that
were still interesting, likeintroduction to jazz and blues,
which what was one of myfavorite classes.
Oh, okay.
And I had acoustic guitar in myin my dorm, so I still like
would always on my off time justbe dinking around as much as

(12:34):
possible.

SPEAKER_01 (12:34):
Okay.
You you know what else thatschool is good for too?
Big besides uh music is uhzoology, man.
They have quite the uh thezoology program there.

SPEAKER_00 (12:44):
Yeah, no, they they do.
They like there's some likeaviation, yeah.
That too for wine studies, andwhat's what's the other one?
They they also got big withtheir law and justice too.
So then engineering was anotherbig one.
Construction management wasanother big one that uh that
that was a higher level thanwhere I was at, but who would

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have thought, man?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (13:07):
We are right in the middle of you know, the coux and
the dogs, you know, you got thethe wildcats, correct?
That's yeah, wildcats, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:13):
Wildcats, baby.
See what, see woo.

SPEAKER_01 (13:16):
I've had a couple of uh alumni guys from central
runners, a few runners here.

SPEAKER_00 (13:22):
Oh, that's cool.

SPEAKER_01 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah.
So all right, you talked aboutit.
You picked up a guitar whenteenage years, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (13:28):
So I got my first guitar, uh god, it's maybe like
13.
It was just it was a very it wasa cheap acoustic one.
Yeah.
And and I was kind of thatcrappy kid where I was just
like, oh, I was hoping for anelectric.
Uh but but no, but it was justone of those things where it was
I was told that like if youlearn good on acoustic, you're

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gonna learn well on electric.
So, and it was cheap that likethe the gauge on the strings to
the fretboard was so okay, sobig, and so you're trying to
really push down.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
So it was a very interestingexperience uh to learn that, and
I was a little off and on, butthen eventually kept going with
uh I think I got my electricelectric guitar, I think like a

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few years later.
It was a PRS antenna SE, andthat's when I really got I was
like my first band that was mygateway to metal was Metallica.
So I was playing okay.

SPEAKER_01 (14:20):
I was gonna ask you, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (14:21):
Yeah, so when Metallica I was playing
Metallica, all the earlyrecords, all that stuff.
I was I was playing a lot ofthat stuff and then just kept
going from there.

SPEAKER_01 (14:27):
Okay, what what album though turned you on?
What album got you?

SPEAKER_00 (14:32):
So when I was getting Metallica, my mom got me
the black album.
Okay.
So she she started me, she gaveme this.
She's like, Oh, if you likeMetallica, you're gonna like
this.
Oh, yeah.
And I've heard enter Sandman,but then you listen to Sad But
True, yeah, The Unforgiven,wherever I may.
You're going like, oh my gosh,this album's incredible.
Yeah.
But for me, then I started to gobackwards.

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I went right to Kill Em All andthen went that way.
So I I I my first their firstfive records to me were just
masterpieces.
Right.
So that's what stemmed me tolike become a guitar player.

SPEAKER_01 (15:06):
So when when they changed, I don't know how old
you are, but like, you know,when they changed or sold out
and everything else, so to say,right?

SPEAKER_00 (15:14):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (15:15):
Did you did you feel that way that people, you know,
did they sell out?

SPEAKER_00 (15:21):
Well, it so I'm I'm 35 and I I to me so you're
you're around, but you're young.
I was young, but like I was soto me, yeah, you can hear the
drastic change from like oncethey went from black album to
load, reload.

SPEAKER_01 (15:35):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (15:36):
To me, that I wasn't around.
I know a lot of people saidflack.
Yeah, but I always I do have alove for those albums, but
especially load.
I do like load.
Yeah, I I consider them goodrock albums by Metallica.
That's why that's how I see it.

SPEAKER_01 (15:51):
Rocky Yeah, they're yeah, I gotcha.
The the lyrics though,lyrically, man, man, James
Hetfield, you know, even hits onthe the snare drum.
What the the snare drum thatgets a lot of flaked early
2000s, St.
Anger's.
Oh, St.
Ang.
Oh yeah, St.
Angers.
The older I've gotten, man, I'velistened to the load and reload

(16:14):
and St.
Ager more than anything, youknow, because lyrically and
musically, I I mean it it'suntouchable, man.
They had so many bangers onthat, uh, those two albums.
And then Saint St.
Ager, did you know, you know, hewas in rehab.
And yeah, those are the lyricsthat he wrote while he was in
rehab trying to get his lifetogether and everything.

SPEAKER_00 (16:34):
Yeah, no, that yeah, there's there's a lot of depth,
and like I know because whatthat's where I was getting into
it was when when I was gettingMetallica, that's when there
that album was just coming outwas was Saint Anger.
And I do, I actually do have asoft spot for Saint Anger.
I know I I there's some there'ssomething about some of those
songs I can and I I'll agreewith anybody.
Um and I'm not not arguing thatsaying it's the best album or

(16:54):
anything, but I can in theircatalog, it's definitely the
outlier for sure.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
It's one of the few outliersthey have, but like there's
there's something about it whereit's just like it, especially
going through my teen years,there's the crap I was going
through.
Yeah, yeah.
Some of those songs spoke to meabout like, you know, frantic
and just be angry.
I was like that, like there wassomething that was true.
It was like I'm feeling exactlyhow he's sounding, especially to

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have how they had theirproduction of all their
instruments.
It was just a just raw,aggressive.
It just sounded raw.
That's all it sounded to me washow they did that record.
It was just raw.

SPEAKER_01 (17:25):
Well, the snare, man.

SPEAKER_00 (17:26):
Yeah, that snare, yeah.
But bang up banging on trash canor whatever you want to call it.

SPEAKER_01 (17:30):
Yeah, the it's almost like uh needing more
cowbell, you know.
But you know, Lars is there justlike snare.
I got a fever, come on, get me.
Yeah, yeah, give me some moresnare, you know.
But so Metallica, Metallica.
All right, so parents, what didthey listen to when you grew up?

SPEAKER_00 (17:46):
Well, my mom listened to everything.
Okay.
My mom, she was a music loverthrough and through.
So so she had like RB soul, youknow, Motown.
She had rock albums.
I mean, she had some ACDC uhrecords, and then she had Van
Halen, Rolling Stones, Beatles,and she had some opera too in

(18:06):
the mix, and she had somecountry, she had some 90s
country.
I that's how I, you know, got toknow Garth Brooks and stuff like
that, and Travis Trich and I hadtwin.
Yeah, somehow all that stuff.
And so yeah, then my dad wasmore he was more classical,
clapped in.
He's definitely a big Motownguy.
So that's interesting, yeah.
So I I grew up with a lot.

(18:27):
I I I don't know why.
It just like when metal justkind of came in for me, it was
something primal that just feltlike you know, I was I was that
kid just grabbing a broom andacting like it was a guitar and
just running around the house.
I was like, something about it.
I'm like, I'm like, this is justuh I love it.

SPEAKER_01 (18:43):
Yeah, okay, and you stuck with it ever since.

SPEAKER_00 (18:46):
Yeah, I mean, like it I it just kept growing from
there.
I mean, like, I mean, I I wasgetting into a lot more of like,
you know, you listen to JudasPriest and like Iron Maiden,
Motorhead, you know, all thatstuff.
Oh, yeah, and then it stemmedfrom there, going from then from
Megadeth, Anthrax, and then whenI was introduced to Slayer, that

(19:07):
was a game changer.
That was that was something soscary.
Not not just thematically intone, it was just like I never
thought a band could be thisfast.
Oh, yeah, and that aggressive.
And so that's where it then tookoff.

SPEAKER_01 (19:19):
And that card falling, man.

SPEAKER_00 (19:21):
Yeah.
I mean, like, I was I saw I sawthem live back in 06.
This is when they were doing theUnholy Lions tour with Lamb of
God, Children of Botum,Mastodon, and Thine Eyes Bleed.
Yeah, and that was an incredibleshow.
I definitely was just like,that's I I was not the same kid
after I left that show.

SPEAKER_01 (19:42):
Well, Slayer, man, they they always you know people
were going to a Slayer concertbecause everybody's like,
Slayer! In the in the streetsand in the bathroom, in the
restroom.
In the restroom, yeah.
No matter what.
Slayer, the horns andeverything, man.
So yeah, yeah.
I went Slayer right, I thinkright before they, you know,
just went on their hiatus orwhatever.

(20:03):
They their last showing inSeattle, and I was watching AFI
at the time.
And total AFI fan.
You know, I love AFI.
Oh, yeah, AFI is good.
They got some good songs.
Oh, yeah.
Have you heard their new stuff?

SPEAKER_00 (20:14):
No, I have not actually different, man.
I'm sure, I'm sure it is.
I'm sure it's like I mean, uhwhat would do you feel it's in a
in a good way it's different?
Or it's great.
It's great, okay.

SPEAKER_01 (20:23):
Yeah, I yeah, it's more more like a new wave dark
sound.
Okay.
Oh god, I was trying to put putmy finger on it.
I've listened to it like acouple of times, and man, you
know, Davy Havoc, dude.
Yeah, he's one of the bestvocals out there, and the way to
change it with the you know, hisEDM stuff, and you know, well,

(20:44):
the EDM sound, uh black cells,or what is it?
Yeah, it's black cells, right?
Or audio.
Yeah, so I'm like his firstalbum was Black Cells, just with
the guitarist of AFI.

SPEAKER_00 (20:55):
I was like, um, Black Audio, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01 (20:58):
Is it black audio?
Is it black audio?
Yeah, I think it is.

SPEAKER_00 (21:01):
Because like it was like AFI, that was like I didn't
re I didn't give him enoughcredit to like later in life.

SPEAKER_01 (21:07):
There was like uh growing up, like, but like he
he's definitely he's one of thebest and he he's so good
lyrically, and you know, I'veseen him live a few times.
And I mean, if you want tolisten to an album, listen to
their very first uh threealbums, Black Cells in the
Sunset.
I remember a lot of people Jesusuh called in sick or yeah, God

(21:29):
called in sick that song.
Yeah, yeah.
God called in sick, it that man,that's a phenomenal song, too.

SPEAKER_00 (21:35):
But yeah, I remember a lot of people were into that.
I remember a lot AFI was kind ofwhen they were coming around,
and I think it was just a littledifferent because it was like
the the difference of kids inschool, you know, like there's
the the emo kids and thehardcore kids, you know.
There was like, you know, uhbeing the metal head, you know,
you're just like like that's nothard enough, you know.
So there was a lot of stuffwhere I kind of was just like,

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that's not what I like, itdoesn't fit.
I was I was a little picky backthen.

SPEAKER_01 (22:00):
But no, it's almost like a Morrissey kind of a dark
new wave sound to it.
It yeah, it's totally differentfrom their their you know, their
their punk, the pop punk, therock punk, yeah, you know, that
they've they've got that theygot yeah, the alternative that
they were going through.
He's in so many side projects.
I I I mean I I've continued tofollow him.
It's just dude, that's who heis.

(22:20):
He's so eclectic and you know,straight edged and everything
else, doing his own thing.
He can he can do no harm, man.

SPEAKER_00 (22:27):
I need I need to give that lesson then, yeah.
Because I I remember it was abig deal when this was uh coming
about recently, and I was justlike, it's like, oh man, okay,
I'll I'll have to check it out,but I just haven't got around to
it.
So I need to.

SPEAKER_01 (22:37):
Yeah, dude, but the old stuff, just like the old
Advenge Sevenfold.

SPEAKER_00 (22:40):
I mean, yeah, like and again, another band I didn't
get I didn't give respect totill later.
Like it was, yeah.
It was just I thought they Ithought they were a little back
then I thought they were alittle poser-ish.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (22:51):
So I was I didn't backcountry.

SPEAKER_00 (22:54):
Yeah, backcountry.
That was everyone was makingeven my sister was listening to
that stuff, and I was just kindof like, eh, I don't know.
But it's when I saw them live,and that's when I was like,
Right?
I was like, okay, never mind.
I'm gonna stick my foot in mymouth on that one.
Sorry, I didn't I didn't mean tosay what I said.
I should have said what I said,yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (23:10):
So you know, it was pretty interesting, man.
Going from AFI and then, youknow, Slayer and uh Megadeth,
and it was just a differentfeat, man.
But you know, it's it's kind ofinteresting that some people put
them put themselves here andthen they put them there, and
then you there's no in between.
But I and I I'm gonna put you inthis category because I want to

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talk a lot about this, you know,about how some rock guys like
yourself go country, you know.
For instance, a lot of peopledon't give that guy enough
credit.
Aaron Lewis, what I've heard,that guy from Stain, because you
know, a lot of people the theguy from Stain, you know,
because they don't want to sayhis name because of what he's

(23:53):
become or what he believes inand whatnot, you know.
Yeah, yeah, exactly.
But you know, people they theyput him in that.
But man, the way he went fromstain to to now owning the
country but doing his own thing,he gets a lot of flack.

SPEAKER_00 (24:09):
Uh yeah, but I respect I respect him for it
too.
Yeah, um you know it's yeah,yeah, it's like it's it's funny
to see that becoming more, it'snot a trend, it's just more rock
guys are coming out reallysaying that like, yeah,
country's awesome.
I love doing it, and that's kindof a a cool thing to know that
that music is not is not sosegregated as you think.

(24:30):
Like guys can they don't want topigeonhole themselves, which I
think is great.

SPEAKER_01 (24:34):
Mostly the guys that I've had on musically too, you
know, like Justin Wells, he wasestablished rock rock guy, you
know, now he's you know makingcountry, but I I still feel like
he's in that that rock country,but a darker side, a slower
side.
And then you know, SterlingDrake, you know, he was a

(24:55):
drummer of a rock band when hestarted out.
Now he's a picker, you know inMontana, you know, traveling
here.

SPEAKER_00 (25:01):
Which was a great episode.
That I do like that.
Yeah, you like that.
Yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 (25:03):
I when I when I got him on, man, I thought I hit it
big time, dude.
You know, I mean, I I still,dude, I I love love the game,
love um, you know, chasing theyou know, the the game.
And when I put him on, I wasjust like, wow, all right,
sweet.
I can, you know, if I can puthim on, I can get anybody else,
you know.
And so, you know, I had CodyBartellas on and yeah, and

(25:24):
Cody's a great kid.
I had him, but you know, he rockband, you know, kind of thing,
and then you know, coming downto his Bakersfield sound, but
yeah, but yeah, the the more themore I get into not not so much
the country, because dude, I'm ahit or miss when it comes to
country, man.
If it's like bro country, if itif if it's yeah, if it's the I'm

(25:48):
not a big co-hetle fan, youknow, that kind of stuff, even
though I love the Texas red dirtsound, yeah, just not that.

SPEAKER_00 (25:56):
Right, yeah, no, and it I'm the same way as you.
It's like I'm very particularabout my country too, even
though even though people who doall that stuff, bro, country,
what I mean, like yeah, theyobviously are good at what they
do.
I can't I can't give them flatclips.

SPEAKER_01 (26:08):
I I just can't.

SPEAKER_00 (26:09):
It's not for me.

SPEAKER_01 (26:10):
I can't drink a beer or you know, uh tailgate with a
girl and I'm by my side.

SPEAKER_00 (26:15):
It's like it's not true, it's not real to me.
I need something that reallypierces the heart.
Yeah, that's that's that's truecountry in my opinion.
So I'm with you on, I'm with youon that.

SPEAKER_01 (26:25):
Yeah, yeah.
So what makes someone sinceyou're in the game, right?
What makes someone go from youknow, loving rock and roll,
like, you know, hitting the thepipes like you know, Aaron Lewis
and Stain to now he's dude,there's no voice like it.
He's made his own, you know, ohyeah, little niche in the game

(26:47):
into his voice, but then hebrings in that when he's doing
country live.
So what what makes a guy go fromhard rock metal to just
downright country?

SPEAKER_00 (26:59):
You know, I can't speak for everybody on this, but
I think for me it was whatreally changed that transition a
little bit was I think what Iwas the the human experience.
What what maybe I what I wasgoing through that maybe country
finally uh connected connectedme with and was just like I was
like, oh my god, I'd I've beenthrough that.

(27:21):
I've I've experienced thisemotion.
Because when I was like I wasjust telling you, when I had my
acoustic guitar in my dorm incollege.

SPEAKER_01 (27:30):
Is that messing up?

SPEAKER_00 (27:31):
No, I was just trying to make sure, make sure I
thought it was there.
We go.
Okay, trying to make sure themic was not dropping.
It like one of the first songs Iplayed on acoustic guitar that I
started singing to just out ofjust kicks and giggles was Hank
Three's song Cecil Cecil Brown,and then off his Love Sick

(27:51):
Broken Drifting Record.

SPEAKER_01 (27:52):
And not not Hank Two, but Hank Three.
Let's go.

SPEAKER_00 (27:55):
Hank three Hank III was that that really talk about
rock, metal, and country.
That bridged me, that thatreally solidified me to be like,
like, hey, it's okay, you can doboth, yeah.
Like kind of thing.
So I remember when I firststarted picking that song and I
started singing it.
I w I mean wasn't really a bigsinger.
I never tried singing reallyseriously.

(28:15):
When I did that, I was like, ohmy gosh, this is fun.

SPEAKER_02 (28:18):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:18):
And you know, and then I was like getting to all
the other slower stuff, and Idon't know, it was just a lot of
that stuff was just it it was soreal to me.
It was I don't know why.
It just it it it was just asreal as metal was.
Metal really spoke about yourthe stuff you were going
through, the hardships, youknow, the anger you were
feeling, and you know, and thecountry was the other side of

(28:41):
the coin.

SPEAKER_01 (28:42):
You're not actually living it.

SPEAKER_00 (28:42):
You're living it.

SPEAKER_01 (28:43):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (28:44):
Country was the other side of the coin.
The sadness, the sorrow, the thethe other hardships where you
feel like your your life's justa part and you you know, like
the ones where you feel like youknow you're losing your woman
and stuff like that, you know.
Like the the times when you feellike you've just been drinking
alone and all that.
I mean, you're only like I waslike, God damn, I'm right there
with you, man.
I'm like, God, I've been there.
Yeah.
So there's some something aboutthat.

(29:05):
It just felt real, and I thinkthat's what gravitated to me,
just to know that those twogenres were like, that's that's
the most realist music outthere.

SPEAKER_01 (29:14):
What what country bands or singer got you into
country, man?
Since Metallica got you intometal.

SPEAKER_00 (29:24):
Well, definitely I would say Hank 3 was he was he
was my bridge.
Then I got get more into theolder stuff, uh, Merle Haggard,
Wayland Jennings.
Okay.
And then and then more sobecoming a singer myself more
seriously and a songwriter, Ireally got into uh Texas Red

(29:44):
Dirt and because I I rememberwhat exposed me to that.
I used to I did a a season up inAlaska during college.
I worked up at a as an at acharter fishing company up there
at Sica.
And they had a Concert seriesthat they do every year up there
at the time called Red Dirt onthe Last Frontier.

SPEAKER_01 (30:04):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (30:05):
And this is where they had Brand Jenkins, Jason
Boland, uh Stony LaRue, and theBraum brothers from Mickey and
the Motor Cars and RecklessKelly, and they would just come
up and just have acousticguitars and just be in these
little bars and restaurants.
And I was just like, I'm like,this is incredible.
Like the songwriting, and sothat really showed me this other
branch of country.

(30:26):
And then after that was CodyJinx, who was another guy.
Because he's a rocker too.
People don't know that.
He's he was a big metal head andeven did a not many people know
this that he did a a rock albumlike several years ago, Cane by
Nod, which was I was great.

SPEAKER_01 (30:41):
So it is, it is, yes, yes.

SPEAKER_00 (30:43):
So that's and that again, that just shows more
sides of the of those musicians,I think, which I think is so
cool.

SPEAKER_01 (30:49):
Okay.
What what made you you knowdecide to go live?
What made you decide to go forget a band and then do live?

SPEAKER_00 (30:59):
Well, it was like one of those things we're in my
twenties where I did I startedto do music in college once I
what felt comfortable too.
I played with a buddy of mine,Zeke Fife.
He was a C Wu alum.
He was met him through a bunchof friends and we got close and
we we did some duo shows incollege, which was great.
College, now it's switched tocareer mode and all that stuff.

(31:21):
So after four years of that,juggling a bunch of stuff, it
was just like about 28, I wasjust like, what makes me happy?
Yeah.
I want to do yeah, music.
Music makes me happy.
So try doing some band projectsto see if it would work, and try
to work on acoustic singing onmy off time.
And then COVID hit, and that'swhere kind of that took a weird

(31:45):
turn where no one was performinganymore, every everyone wasn't
sure what was gonna happen.
So that gave me the time toreally sit and write and work on
my craft.
And it was just scary because Ireally wanted to play live one
day again.
Yeah, and I I didn't know if itwas ever gonna happen.
So once about October of 2021, Ifinally had an opportunity to

(32:10):
perform.
It was it was in Ellensburg atthat time.
It was a place called the Back40, which is this back part of
the hotel window there.
It's now it's now where FitAlinas is now, but it was called
the Back 40 then, a little turflittle spa with benches and all
stuff, and finally had a chanceto perform.
And I was nervous, but I wasexcited, and it was great.

(32:31):
And then after I got done withthat, I'm like, I want to keep
this going.
So that's where just kept going.
I just tried to fight just toperform anywhere I could after
that.

SPEAKER_01 (32:40):
The the more I watch live music, uh, you know, I I'm
I'm a regular when certainpeople come in and everything
else, and I watch them, andsometimes they they change the
set list.
Do you change your set list ordo you keep the same?

SPEAKER_00 (32:52):
I I keep the same, but I I I I started off kind of
the same.
I definitely ended the I endedthe same way, always.
One of my favorite songs I loveto end with is Can't You
See? 'Cause I I dedicate that tomy grandmother.
That was the last song she everheard me do.
So that I like to end it withthat one.
But I usually I I always mix itup.
I try to be on the fly with thatbecause you don't know what kind

(33:13):
of crowd you're gonna get oranything like that.
So I'm always on the fly.

SPEAKER_01 (33:17):
So when do you know you have that crowd?
Like what do you do?
When you know you have thatcrowd and you got them, you
know, locked in.
Well, what what do you domentally, you know, physically,
musically?
What what do you do?
How do you know?

SPEAKER_00 (33:32):
It's like it's like a it's like a drug you're
feeding off.
It's like adrenaline rush.
Like when you feel the crowdwhen vibing well of what you're
doing, and they're giving thatback to you, you're feeding off.
It's almost like you're doingthis like back and forth feeding
to each other.
So when you're doing stuffthat's just getting them all
riled up and they're in theircheering, you're feeding that,

(33:53):
and you're just feeding off it.
And so, yeah, there's been timeswhere it's just like, yeah, you
just keep going and going, andyou're bringing you're just
bringing the energy, even ifit's band or solo acoustic,
you're you're just you just feelthis, it just comes alive out of
you.
It's like a natural feeling.

SPEAKER_01 (34:07):
Do you know in different towns, different
regions, the feel?
You know, what maybe you know,last night they were into the
whole you know, country, youknow, Ellensburg's probably the
country rock and the rock more,you know, Yakima and probably
all the above.
But do you do you do you knowwhen you go in there, you're

(34:29):
like, okay, this is gonna bemore of a country?

SPEAKER_00 (34:31):
I mean, like initially, I mean, like you
sometimes you kind of get thefeel in the in the room, maybe
like you can go like like, ohyeah, this might be a country
crowd, but sometimes you you'dbe surprised.
Sometimes I'll just I'll I'llthrow something in there.
Just I'll maybe I'll throw agrunge song in there.
Oh you know, throw some stonetail pilots or some pearl jam in
there or something like that.
And just to see how people reactbecause you don't know, and
you'd be surprised.
Some people are just like, Ohyeah, oh, there's something.

(34:54):
I'm going like, okay, we got wegot some range in here.
So I'll throw I'll throw once inBlue Moon, but which is fun for
me because sometimes I don'twant to always just play
country.
Sometimes I want to just changeit up, but you know, sometimes
you just you don't want to youdon't want some guy going like
change the song thing.

SPEAKER_01 (35:11):
I know you guys are on the road and everything else.
Is life on the road andtraveling just to you know get
your name out there?
Is it tough?
Or is it do?

SPEAKER_00 (35:21):
It can't I mean it can be.
Honestly, it's like it dependson how bad you want it.
For me, it was just a naturalgrowth.
I didn't I wasn't really tryingto I was just trying to just
playing and just go from there,but there was one point where
trying to branch out and go todifferent places, there were a
lot of people just like, Who areyou?

(35:42):
Yeah, we're like like what kindof music do you do?
You know, it's like that wasthat that was really tough, but
you really then you had to fightfor yourself, which you're not
trying to be cocky, but you'retrying to like you're on the
phone with these people whenyou're like like like please
book me.
I will not disappoint you,please.
Like, so you definitely had tostand your ground a lot of
times, and it can get mentallyexhausting because sometimes you

(36:06):
do feel like you know you justkeep trying, you feel like
you're just trying to climb outof a pit sometimes because
you're just trying to feelyou're trying to feel like
you're getting somewhere andsometimes you feel like you just
keep dropping back down, but itcan't it can be it can be hard
at times and can get in yourhead.
But honestly, I feel like if youjust keep just keep going.
Yeah, just if don't think aboutit too much, it things things
will happen.

SPEAKER_01 (36:26):
Do you have a booking agency or do you all I
do it all on my own?

SPEAKER_00 (36:31):
Wow.
And it's a lot of work, man.
It's a lot of work, but luck,but luckily since I've been
doing this for a while, luckilycreated relationships.
So then other venues havereached out to me and been like,
hey, we like to we like to bookyou, it's like awesome.
And and then this la this year Ihave actually had some great
opportunities that wereintroduced to me.
I met uh Aaron Harris, who'salso known as Dogbite Harris.

(36:55):
No, yeah, yeah, Dogbite, yeah.
I met him at the last year's uhNorthwest Country Music Awards,
and me and him just hit it off.
He was a great guy, and he runsTwo Wolves Media Group, and he
uh asked me if uh to join himfor the Rux and the Boonies this
year and do a singersongwriter's I was promoted by

(37:15):
Two Wolves.
So that was really coolopportunity for another group to
give me that that those uhopportunities.
So it that was a really coolthing, yeah.
But overall, I yeah, I I don'thave any other managers or
anything, it's just pretty muchjust me just figuring out my own
time.

SPEAKER_01 (37:33):
How's the winter look?

SPEAKER_00 (37:35):
Uh because travel is horrible.
Yeah, travel is horrible.
So as of right now, my show atmy gala last night was the last
one I have scheduled right now.
If I happen to get some otherones last second in, it's but it
it every year.
This is about this time of year,things just kind of just slow
down.
So things will pick up back inJanuary.
But as of right now, the holidayseason's just holiday.

SPEAKER_01 (37:56):
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you don't have you know
Mariah Carey in your uh setlist.
I'd rather suck on a 12 gauge.
I gotcha, I gotcha.
But no, I yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (38:09):
But yeah, no, it's it it's it's been it's been
good, even with the band thing,too.
That you know, for us trying tobook as well, it's just just as
much as a fight too to try andget us get our names out.

SPEAKER_01 (38:21):
Okay.
What are what what does it looklike if you know somewhere in
Tri-Cities they listen to thisand they book you, you you
you'll come around.

SPEAKER_00 (38:30):
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (38:31):
No, yeah, no, I I don't ever I saw I saw dog bite
long branch.
Have you hit them up yet?

SPEAKER_00 (38:37):
Oh yeah, no, but that's where Kentucky.
Yeah, no, I actually that'swhere I had after when I did the
ruckus back in June.
I was part of thatsinger-songwriters round that
they had that Sunday at at LongBranch.
Okay.
So that was my first experiencefor live music there.
So that was really cool.
It was outside?
It was outside.
I was I was with Ty Lane, whoruns the singers round, and I

(38:58):
was with Scottie Wilson, Yates,and a young gal,
singer-songwriter named Aslan.
She's out of Portland, Oregon,who's a phenomenal songwriter,
and me.
And that was my first uh I thinkI got spoiled a little bit
because you know you're in thison the outside stage, and you're
people are there just to hearoriginal music.
Oh, yeah.
So that was kind of like, oh,this is oh, they're here to

(39:19):
listen to like real stuff.
Like they don't care about thecovers.
Like, this is show of who youare, and you're just down the
row and you're listening tothese guys, and y'all just
listen hearing their songs theywrote, you're like, like, oh my
god, yeah, where what were youthinking when you wrote that
song?
My god, that god, you must havegone through some stuff, you
know.

SPEAKER_01 (39:36):
Yeah, don't don't shy away from Tagueris or Book
Walter, too.
But no, long branch, longbranch, they they bring in those
guys and they they the outsideuh venue is is pretty it's it's
intimate, but man, it it's rockstar status in this area.

SPEAKER_00 (39:52):
I mean, I mean for a lot of people who talk about it.
I mean, yeah, it's like you comeout here, people the people
always say like gotta go yougotta get booked here, you gotta
get booked here.
And yeah, that was one of thetop ones that everyone's always
talked about.
And I try I tried years ago too,and then I think it was just
kind of a weird time, but theywere already booked out for a
while, so it's like, okay, I'lltry I'll try later.

SPEAKER_01 (40:09):
So you wouldn't catch me dead in that like five,
six, well, five, ten years ago.
But Lori, the the owner, ohyeah, man, she's drastically
changed that for the better.
She's awesome.
Yeah, yeah.
She's she's yeah, she's cool.
I every every concert I go to, Isee her, man.

SPEAKER_00 (40:25):
Oh, really?
Yeah, every concern.
She's a music lover, too.

SPEAKER_01 (40:28):
Every concert, every concert, man, like Aaron Lewis,
you know, Chris Stapleton, uhSturgel Sims.
I see her all the time andalways, you know, tell her thank
you, and you know, she buysaround.
I'm like, Oh, that's okay.
Yeah, yeah.
No, she's she's a good lady,man.
But no, she she's actually madethat to like um a high-end bar,

(40:48):
you know.
Oh no, yeah, it's like it's it'ssomething there was a hole in
the wall with a dive bar, bro.
It was it was it didn't evenhave none of that out out there.
It was just a sh was a shithole,dude.
Now it's like wow, you you know,you can bring kids in there at
certain times.
Oh, really?
Okay, that's awesome.
Yeah, yeah.
Now, yeah, it's it's it's nice,it's nice, it's out there.

SPEAKER_00 (41:08):
Yeah, it's out there.
It's definitely yeah, but Ithink it I think it's cool.
So I think if anybody you everasked me again, like uh like
where should I go?
I'm like long break.
Definitely.

SPEAKER_01 (41:18):
And then she has a sister, sister bar too.
Jackalope?
I believe it's the Jackalope.
Jackalope?
Yeah, Jackalope.
I haven't heard that one.
It's off of Kenwick Avenue.
Oh, is it really?
Yeah, yeah.
It's just more in in town.

SPEAKER_00 (41:31):
Okay.

SPEAKER_01 (41:32):
But yeah, they have a sister bar as Jackalope.
I know for a fact, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (41:36):
So okay.
I have to just have to checkthat out.
I don't, you know, I try to comedown here and try to visit.
I have I have I have a fewfriends that live out here too
and try to also stop in andvisit around and kind of see
what's going on around here too.
But I don't know if I will haveto.

SPEAKER_01 (41:49):
There's also a lot of breweries, man, trying to
make it and yeah, i you know,and the the these times, there's
a lot of them going under, but alot of the breweries uh I know
varietals bringing the music.
You might want to check themout.

SPEAKER_02 (42:01):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (42:02):
He's uh he's a rock star guy too.
Is he really?
Yeah, yeah.
Oh, okay.
The the brewer, the head owner,brewer guy.
Yeah, yeah.
He he's been on the podcast aswell.
Oh, geez.
Yeah, he I saw a band, a deathmetal bluegrass band, dude.
Yeah, death blue, yeah, withhim, and he was just rocking
out, and man, there was onlylike five people there.

(42:22):
What?
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:24):
Oh you're just like you're like, come on, people,
you're missing out.
Yeah, yeah, man.

SPEAKER_01 (42:27):
But I enjoyed it, dude.
It was death metal bluegrass.

SPEAKER_00 (42:30):
Oh, yeah.
Oh, I would have yeah, I would Iwould have had a good time with
that one.

SPEAKER_01 (42:33):
Yeah, man.
Two pines.
I think it was two pinessomething, two pines, something,
but yeah, man.
That that was that was bad.
That was badass just because youknow, the the uh the banjo and
the bass.
Oh yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (42:46):
I got a little heavy too with that song.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'd have to definitely check itout because yeah, because my
first exposure out here toperform was last year.
I played for Wheathead.
And yeah, that was that was myfirst time I was able to kind of
play out close to close to here,which which is good, but I don't
know right down the road.
Oh yeah, yeah, for where you'reat.

(43:06):
But yeah, but I don't know ifthey're doing music anymore.

SPEAKER_01 (43:10):
Some I yeah, I don't know.
Something something's goingdown.

SPEAKER_00 (43:12):
I I I think they just uh maybe just it was just
too much with with their well,because I know they do a lot of
other stuff too, but I but itwell they used to have food
trucks and then you knowsomebody gripes about that
because they didn't have youknow maybe the the the
credentials, so yeah, yeah, andthen the music's probably a
nuisance, who knows?

SPEAKER_01 (43:34):
But they're they're moving closer to Cedars.

SPEAKER_00 (43:37):
Oh, yeah, they got yeah on the water, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (43:40):
I've heard about that they're gonna do that.
Was it Tina?

SPEAKER_00 (43:42):
Tina's her name, Tina?

SPEAKER_01 (43:43):
Yeah, yeah, she's great in social media, man.

SPEAKER_00 (43:45):
Yeah, she's really good.
Yeah, I just saw something aboutthat.
They're changing something up.

SPEAKER_01 (43:48):
But then, but then you got somebody you got a place
that I love to go to and listento music there.
Uh outskirts.
Oh, outskirts.

SPEAKER_00 (43:56):
You play there yet?
Uh I've several times.
It's been a while, but I I it'sso funny.
I have not had the chance toactually perform on their
outside stage at yet.
So that is something I wouldlove to do one of these days.
But I that that's a great littlespot too.
And I heard their way outWednesdays that they have where
they have during the summer forbig bands that play on a

(44:17):
Wednesday night and stuff likethat.

SPEAKER_01 (44:18):
It's their first their first year was man, I was
there every Wednesday.

SPEAKER_00 (44:23):
Oh, really?

SPEAKER_01 (44:23):
Yeah, last year didn't show up because it just
wasn't the same feel, man.
But yeah, I saw big names andhardly anybody showed up.
Like, what?

SPEAKER_00 (44:33):
Yeah, I mean, like Cody busted his butt to get that
place.
Yeah, he he bust his butt to getthat, and he's a he's a good
dude.

SPEAKER_01 (44:39):
Yeah, I've been I've been trying to get him on, and
he's like, Man, we can do it inmy my studio, we can do it,
whatever.
But yeah, he he's just so busyon his you know his farm or
ranch, and then you know,traveling here and there.
But yeah, man, outskirts, that Idefinitely will travel to listen
to music and drink some beersand some good food, man.

SPEAKER_00 (44:59):
Yeah, no, they got they got a good crew there.
The uh so I every time I've gonethere, like really ever every
time the the crew's just likeJerry, welcome back, you know.
And they they they just really Ijust feel welcomed there every
time, and so even on even on theinside, it's just nice and cozy.
It's just nice.

SPEAKER_01 (45:15):
It's it's beautiful, it's like one of the best
looking breweries I've walkedinto.

SPEAKER_00 (45:19):
Yeah, right?
It's like what I'm saying.
It's just like really all theemphasis that they put on for
the aesthetic in in that place,and like, yeah, it's just great.
Yeah, so yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (45:28):
What uh what venue is your one of your top?
One of your top.
You just you know, I'm justgonna say top.
I'm not gonna say top three.
I just want to what yourfavorite venue.
Sorry to put you on the spot,but I you know, you always have
that one place that you like togo, play, listen to music, you
know.
Man, do things yourself.

SPEAKER_00 (45:48):
Jeez, I you know that's I I do get asked this
question at times, and I it's sohard to come up with an answer
because there's sometimes I'llI'll come across another venue,
and I'm just like, I'm like, ohwait, that was awesome.
Oh, that was cool.
Yeah, that was even better.
I think the one venue I think Ijust had a just a very uh

(46:09):
incredible experience with wasactually this summer in Montana.
Uh me and my buddy Aaron Saliba,we did a stint, and he's and
he's a solo musician in his ownright.
And we did this duo thing forfour days in a row in western
Montana, and we did a gig out inDerby, Montana, which is
southwestern part, you know,that's where they have the the
Yellowstone ranch there andeverything.

(46:30):
Uh is this place called the 406saloon.
Okay.
And it's the same thing, likethis outdoor stage that they
have, kind of like what LongBranch has.
And then like literally thestage is facing toward the
Bitteroot mountain range, youknow, and so like the the
weather was a little off therebecause there was a dry
lightning storm that was goingon at the time, wind was picking
up, so a lot a lot of peoplekind of like tucked near the

(46:51):
underside, they weren't out inthe open, so they kind of hugged
it.
But when the storm passed, therewas something about it where
like the sun came through.
It was like this kind of likejust amazing experience of being
like, Wow, this is justbeautiful.
And the and the crew there werejust amazing, the bartenders.
It was it was that was a I wouldit was one of those things where
you go, like, I will come backagain and do it.

SPEAKER_01 (47:12):
I've been wanting to go out there, I wanted to see uh
the the what is it, the greatdivide, right?
Yeah, the old saloon.

SPEAKER_00 (47:19):
Yeah, the old saloon, yeah.
Like that's yeah, no, there's athere's been a lot of cool, like
little experience, even with theeven with band Steel and Saddle,
like we definitely have rightnow we have our few, like Yellow
Beak Saloon in Eamclaw or thelog cabin pub in Sumner.
Okay, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, those for us as a band,like those people again talking

(47:42):
about that energy about what youwhat when do you know when you
when you feel like you got in itin your hands, those venues you
just feel it with the people,and those are I would say for us
as a band too, though those arethe venues where it's like, oh,
we will keep coming back becauseyou just know you're gonna get
those rowdy people and have agood time.

SPEAKER_01 (48:00):
I always stop in Sumner for top-down brewery.

SPEAKER_00 (48:03):
Oh, top down, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I've I haven't been tothat one, but I've I tried some
of their stuff too, but I knowwhere it's at.

SPEAKER_01 (48:11):
Have you had their mix?
They mix their beers.
Oh that perfection.
Really?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Go check it out.
Yeah, it's good to have just youknow their pills or you know,
their IPA.
Yeah, that's it.
They'll put a stout and IPAtogether and they'll they'll put
uh pills in their IPA, a stoutand uh pills, dude.
They per perfection.
Oh, geez, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (48:30):
I did I need to get out more.
Yeah, because I because I usedto live over live music on too.
Yeah, they do.
That's what I when I was kind ofstarting off because I was
living in the west side at thetime.
I was I was living near Imclawin Black Diamond, and the top
top now was one of those placeslike people started going and
you know, too.

SPEAKER_01 (48:49):
Yeah, he has a winery, the other owner has a
winery, so just let you know.

SPEAKER_00 (48:53):
Oh, okay.
So a lot of connections.
Yeah, that that whole area,there's that's a whole circuit.
That's where like a lot of thebig uh country people in this in
the community in the scene, likethat's where their kind of their
hub is in that is in that SouthPeace town.
It's yeah, it's huge.

SPEAKER_01 (49:06):
And plus it's like central too.
It's almost central when itcomes to bringing the east to
the west, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (49:11):
It is like yeah, Eam Claw for sure in that area.
Like, yeah, that's that's why Ifelt pretty good being in that
area at that time.
And shut and then even thepeople there who support and
love music and support a lot ofthe local, like I love every
single one of them.
I I don't I I would not be whereI'm at uh as a musician without
those people.
Okay, yeah.
So they were they were thefoundation for me.

SPEAKER_01 (49:33):
So music.
What what was your last concertyou attended?
Oh god.
And who?

SPEAKER_00 (49:42):
I'm I'm I'm gonna get this confused.
I did like two shows almost likeback to back from month to
month.
I'm trying to remember which oneit was.
Uh it was uh I was with my buddyuh Grant Cisneros, and he uh
he's a big tie metal head.
I've known him since I was 19,and we went to go see him and
his girlfriend.

(50:02):
I think it was either Silosis,Fifer and Autopsy, or it was
Throne, Varials, and No Cure.
It was it was what it was therewere two different shows, but I
can't remember which one was thelast one, but it but it was at
El Corazone Seattle, you know,my old stomping grounds from my
teen years.
So that was the last one I couldsay was Okay, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (50:23):
Mine was close.
I had I had I saw Picos on therooftops the week uh week after
I went to El Corazone to seeDemon Hunter, War of Ages.

SPEAKER_00 (50:31):
I was gonna say you're sure I was like, I saw
your Demon Hunter shirt on.
I was just like, there you go.

SPEAKER_01 (50:34):
I'm a huge Demon Hunter fan, but like War of Ages
killed it, confessions, dude.
The the the Christian metaldoesn't sound Christian metal,
dude.
When you at all.
No.
At all.
And man, they bring it all, Ithink, almost harder than death
metal, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (50:52):
Yeah, the I it's surprising how people, when you
say Christian metal, peopleimmediately they turn off.
They turn off, they're goingthey're going like they're like,
That's that's not metal, goinglike, really?
If I if I threw some bands andit did not give you that
context, they would be like,This is awesome, this is so
dark.
You'd go like, yeah, Christian,yeah, you'd be surprised.

SPEAKER_01 (51:08):
Yeah, man.
Yeah, it is bad, it is badass.
So finally got Demon Hunter offmy my bucket list, and man,
yeah.
You listen to him?
You listen to them?

SPEAKER_00 (51:18):
Uh, I've listened to some of their stuff.
I haven't got around to a lot ofit, but I do like, I do like, I
have no, I have nothing to geton.

SPEAKER_01 (51:25):
Deep.
There's some there's some deepstuff, man.
And uh I'll tell you what, I Iended up crying, man.
I ended up crying on some of thesongs.
Well, one in particular, butyeah, man.
That that concert was good, butman, I was like, man, the venue
sucks, but dude, that guy isquite the showman, dude.
Oh, yeah.
That's why I heard he has it,and you know, like just the his

(51:48):
presence and everything else,very eclectic and everything
else, and the I I notice, youknow, I'm very observant, I
watch a lot, you know.
I go to the concerts and and Ipick something out, you know.
Yeah, and you know, I see I'veseen Slaughter to Prevail.
Oh, Rage Against the Machine.
Those guys, they have thatpresence, but he has a different
presence.

(52:09):
And you know, like when whensomebody's done the beat, they
normally go by the snare or thebass.

SPEAKER_00 (52:16):
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (52:17):
He doesn't do that, he goes off by the symbol, dude.
So he like for real high.

SPEAKER_00 (52:22):
Kind of like kind of like my sugar thing or something
like that.

SPEAKER_01 (52:24):
Dude, it's weird, but he's you know, he's in his
whole he's like he has like awife beater kind of thing,
right?
And yeah, that trench coat thathe wears, and that's right, his
pants hiked up all the way tohis chest, right?
And suspenders.
And the the way he moves, I'mlike, you you could almost
because I've I've seen StoneToble pilots, Scott Scott
Wyland, and he had his littlemovement, but I'm not saying I'm

(52:47):
not saying that he had moveslike Scott Wyland, but he was
just like so clear, and then yousee him symbol, you know, and
it's yeah, it's like there's ashowmanship to how he was doing
it, yeah.
And and it was just wild.
So I picked up on that, and Iwas just like, huh, it's not the
base, it's not just there.
The symbol.
He dude, he every time, yeah.
Well, it's like he's on point.
Oh, it's just just and you I'venever seen that.

(53:09):
And so I was just like, I wastaken back and I'm just enjoying
it.
I'm like, I've never seenanybody do this before.
And and he had it, it was in hisown little world, but dude, he's
been doing it since I mean firstalbum, 2002.

SPEAKER_00 (53:23):
Yeah, I was gonna say they've been around for a
long time.
Yeah, so yeah, the farm Iremember coming into music,
yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (53:28):
Just just you know, just him just jamming out and
then you in the movement on asymbol.
It was just like, are youkidding?

SPEAKER_00 (53:37):
Yeah, so that's totally different, yeah.
And you're so that it gives youthe best experience of going
like, all right, somethingsomething that's different.
I like that.

SPEAKER_01 (53:43):
Yeah, man, it was it was good, and you know, and then
you see some of the people thatthey you know, they're putting
out horns, but then you you Imean you see people just filling
up like it's you know gospel,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (53:52):
You know, and I'm just like I've never seen, I've
never been to a concert that thepeople just raising their hand,
and I'm like, all right, twosterile, but yeah, no, it's it
kind of really does bring a lotof it brings a lot of people
together and everything thatwith every concert.
Oh, scratch that.
Okay, back to what I was saying.
I actually those shows I went tofor my last one, and now I just
it just clicked in my head justnow.

(54:13):
My last concert I went to wasactually Labor Day weekend, it
was actually Riley Green.
Sorry.
Oh it was Riley Green.
Sorry, I'm I'm I gotta apologizeto my my friend Steve Gale and
Maddie Walker on that one.
Uh they invited me to go to thisthat show.
They were just like, you want tosee Riley, Riley Green?
They're huge fans.
They're like, you gotta checkthis guy out.
And and it was it was actuallyreally it was really good
because I I haven't been to abig country sh I can't remember

(54:36):
the last one I went to, so thatthat was actually a cool
experience.
The guy who I don't knowremember the guy who opened up
for him, but it was bro country,you know.

SPEAKER_01 (54:44):
But but probably Ian Moon's sake.

SPEAKER_00 (54:51):
Yeah, I know it's like that was actually pretty
that was a pretty goodexperience.
But yeah, that was that I wouldsay I got I definitely have gone
to more rock shows in probablyrecent years than but yeah, that
for a country one, that was thatwas a long time.
So yeah, that was my last one.
But yeah, not too often though,not too often.
I wish I wish there, I wish thatsometimes I there are times
where I feel like I want to justenjoy music more often instead

(55:11):
of performing too.
That's where I love to go seefriends perform.

SPEAKER_01 (55:14):
I saw Riley Green at the Pendleton Whiskey Fest.
My daughter made me go, and man,I tell you what, dude, I he's
quite the looker, bro.
He's D1 football player.
You know that, right?
Uh Riley Green?

SPEAKER_00 (55:26):
Well, no, I did not know that.
You didn't know that?

SPEAKER_01 (55:27):
No, the the good looking country boy singer.

SPEAKER_00 (55:31):
Yeah, I'd be like, yeah, yeah, he's yeah, he's he's
not a bad looking dude, but likeit was uh I'm not like that, but
yeah, no, I know, I know, butno, you're like, hey, that's a
handsome man.

SPEAKER_01 (55:38):
When you see him, you're like, I get it.
I see the why the girls are all.
No, D1.
D1 football player.

SPEAKER_00 (55:45):
I was I literally did not know much about him
until like my my my friendMaddie introduced me to him.
She she she covers some of hissongs, and that's was the first
time I kind of was exposed tothat.
I was I was so unaware of it.
So when I went to that concert,I didn't I didn't really know
much about him.
I'm just like, okay, yeah, let'ssee.
Yeah, but yeah, no, hedefinitely has a stage presence,

(56:06):
and yeah, I I think that crowdwas all women.
All women, all women.

SPEAKER_01 (56:11):
I'm telling you, if if you good luck trying to get
lucky when you're watchingRiley, yeah.
Hey, so I'm trying to talk toyou.
Why you're not looking at me?
Exactly.
Yeah, no, he was a D1 footballplayer, man.
And just oh, that's crazy, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (56:26):
Yeah, I mean, like, man, I guess it makes sense.

SPEAKER_01 (56:28):
Yeah, but no.
When when's your next concert?
Do you have one lined up?

SPEAKER_00 (56:32):
Next show, as of right now.
I think I'm getting the workswith doing uh helping with the
Ellensburg Winter Hop brew fest.
Nice, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (56:40):
So we went there one time and froze our asses.
Oh god, it's brutal.

SPEAKER_00 (56:44):
Yeah, yeah, there's some years, and some years it's
very it can be mediocreweather-wise, and you can just
go around.
And then I did I did it lastyear, and I remember it was it
was cold in the morning, butthen snow came in the last two
hours of that brew fest, and itit was hard to drive or walk
anywhere in town.

SPEAKER_01 (57:01):
It was I like I like the setup though.
I like when it goes from oneplace to all on the streets,
yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:06):
Like for for those that don't know, Noah, it's like
yeah, it's like you have allthese shops and everything along
Pearl Street or wherever, andyeah, you just they each shop
hosts a brewer or two, and youhave one musician or band.
And yeah, they they asked me acouple years ago about that, and
yeah, good.
I I we've been talking with themagain.
They they just came out with theinformation for it.
So I think uh I think I'll bedoing that, and that will be in

(57:28):
January.
So yeah, January 17th.

SPEAKER_01 (57:31):
I we'll talk to the lady to let go again.
We haven't gone in a coupleyears, but we'll we'll go.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (57:39):
Oh, you should, man.
That's oh, I I I waste aboutwhat's that?
I was like, I used to I used togo to it a lot, so I I it's a
good time.

SPEAKER_01 (57:45):
Oh, yeah.
Some of the beers there are wildthough, man.
I was just like, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (57:50):
Those little tasting glasses they give you, man.
After a while, when you're doingthat for five hours, they feel
like full beers.
Yes.
You're just like after you'rejust looking at it, going like,
like, come on, finish this up.
So gonna you're going, oh, okay.
Like, yeah, I need I need aburger or something like that.
I'm not gonna make it.

SPEAKER_01 (58:04):
Yes, and then there's some that are uh quite
courteous pores, too.

SPEAKER_00 (58:08):
Oh, yeah.
Well, no, yeah, especially ifyou who you know and it was the
it was the surveyor, they'rethey're going like, like, oh, do
you have no drink ticket?
Oh, and you get more like I waskidding, yeah, yeah, yeah.

unknown (58:17):
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (58:18):
Keep your glasses, so just give it to me.

SPEAKER_01 (58:20):
We won't tell secrets, but yeah, yeah, no.
I'll go.
I'll if you put it on yourschedule, I'll tell the lady and
we'll we'll make a trip out overthere.
Man, man, we can we can keepgoing, man.
But uh so my my next concert,man, dude, I tell you what, man,
I don't get enough of them, andmy wife is like really trying to

(58:42):
disown me when when going tothese guys' concert, red clay
strays, man.

SPEAKER_00 (58:46):
Oh, love red clay, dude.

SPEAKER_01 (58:47):
I travel, I travel to see them.
A lot of people are big.
Yeah, okay.
Well because when when theyfirst came out, they didn't come
west coast at all.
You know, they a lot of a lot ofthose guys, they're just they're
gonna be able to do that.
They keep with their region,yeah.
Yeah, but you know, so it's likeall right, I'll reach out, see
them in Vegas.

(59:08):
I've seen them in Vegas everytime they show up, so I'll
travel there.
But yeah, man, to get the goodfeel music, dude.
I'll go see them any day,anytime.

SPEAKER_00 (59:16):
Yeah, they they surprised me when they came onto
the scene.

SPEAKER_01 (59:20):
Yeah, yeah, and I that they they even tell you if
went live that you know they'rethey're said to be country, but
they're not, man.
They're like soul, RB, red, redcountry, red rock country.

SPEAKER_00 (59:35):
Yeah, and he the guy has such a distinct voice, too.
And he had he has that it's it'srockability sound a little bit
too uh to it and all like yeah,yeah, that I what I mean when
they came out, I remember uhthere were some songs I like,
like Wondering Why, and Ghostsand stuff like that.
But when and then I heard theirnext record with Disaster, Devil

(59:57):
in My Ear, and I'm like, Ohyeah, what is like that.
It all of a sudden just clickedin me.
I'm going like this is amazing.
This is incredible.
And then you then seeing theirlive hearing their live rhyming
record and all that stuff.
It's just like, wow, themusicianship that these guys
have and the drummer andeverything like that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:14):
It's like it's a good time.
It's a good time to be around,man.
Uh music, you know.
Because I'm going to Vegas, mywife was all like, Oh, well, you
never take me to a concert.
So guess where I guess the nextday I have to go see.
Yeah, just guess.
I said I said her name earlier,and and you you made that
comment.
C Mariah Carey, Christmas inVegas, man.

(01:00:35):
Hey.
Hey, I have to please the light,the lady, the wife.

SPEAKER_00 (01:00:38):
I should, I should have said anything about the 12
gauge thing about that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:00:40):
No, no, that's great, man.
That's awesome.
Right?
But you know what?
Um I'm trying to, it's duringNFR.
That's why I go down there aswell.
NFR, man, just you know, a bunchof like-minded people just
having a good old time, drinkingbeer, and you know, some go and
see the rodeo live, but a lot,like myself, go to the local bar

(01:01:02):
and just get shit face hammered.
Go to Cowboy Christmas, get shitface hammered at the bar and
then you know, go to a concert,man.
That's the best time to go to aconcert.
So she found out Mariah Carey'splaying.
She was like, uh, so I just gaveher my card and it was like,
just get it, we'll do that.

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:18):
Yeah, that's uh it's probably gonna be a good time.
Yeah, you maybe be surprised.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:22):
Yeah, yeah.
And then you know, music, man.
What what's your thoughts onShane Smith and the Saints, man?

SPEAKER_00 (01:01:28):
I do like Shane Smith.
I've seen him live?
I have not.
Incredible, really, dude.

SPEAKER_01 (01:01:32):
They got this presence up there, man.
All of them, all of them, youknow, even including the
bassists.
He's he's he's a big guy,bassist, but man, with the
fiddle, you know, the violinistsand him, and and and and the way
they they they sing together,like during the choir
themselves, man.
It's just uh unbelievable.
And and Shane Smith, man, thelyrics alone, yeah.

(01:01:53):
And a lot of his in in a lot ofhis songs, dude, just get you in
the fill.
Sometimes seeing them when theycome in, I think March.
March?
Where are they playing at?
Oh, where's it?
They're playing in the Spokaneone uh either Northern Quest or
the Tribal One.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:10):
Oh, Tribe Spokane Tribal Casino.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:11):
Uh that's where they're playing.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:12):
Okay, that's that's a cool venue.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:14):
That's yeah, it reminds me of uh the Brooklyn
Bowl in uh Vegas.
Oh, okay.
It's like almost like knittingfactory, but not quite.
Like knitting factory had thoselayers.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:25):
Yeah, just straight all around.
Okay.
No, that's pretty cool though.
No, that'll be an awesome show.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:30):
March, oh man, I might I might have to try to saw
them in Wheatstock and there wasa bad uh storm, so they cut
short, but they ended up playingin just a wee wind dust storm,
and they knocked it out of thepark still with the 30 45 minute
show that they put on.
Oh man.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:02:46):
So you d you got some awesome taste in the
country music.
Oh, yeah.
That's some good stuff.
Oh yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:02:52):
Uh yeah, it just if if the lyrics are true and and
connect, I'm I'm there.
If it's like, you know, I'm ahuge Toby Keith fan, but you
know, the the whole beer stuff,yeah.
It doesn't uh I like to drinkbeer, but I don't want to be
singing or hearing music aboutbeer, beer, beer, you know.

(01:03:12):
And there's a lot of the countrynowadays is like that, what they
consider country.
And I I'll tell you what,Americana country is what I
stick to.

SPEAKER_00 (01:03:22):
Yeah, because again, the it there's our they all were
even when they having bands,they were all solo guys at one
point, and they just they justwrote exactly, and again, that's
that brings back to like what'ssaying about like with like Cody
Jinx.
I consider him Americana, eventhough he's he's under the now
the country category.
I even with all of his earlystuff, because there's some

(01:03:43):
songs he wrote that really kindof like with like first song I
ever heard of him that he didwas Cast No Stones, yep, and
then going before that, likelooking for a friend and all
that like he definitely there'ssome songs that really put me
like going like wow, like heunderstood where I was going
through, or like how do you knowI was going through this kind of
thing?
It's like it's that's some goodstuff.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:04):
Yeah, what a favorite concert, man.
Favorite concert, what what bandlike just gotcha?

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:11):
My my honesty, my favorite show to this day, which
obviously stems from me beingyoung, was when I finally saw
Metallica.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:20):
Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:21):
When I finally saw Metallica back, this was 2017.

SPEAKER_01 (01:04:25):
Okay.

SPEAKER_00 (01:04:27):
They're playing at Century Link.
And they were with uh Gojira andAvenged Sevenfold.
Oh man, Gojira, dude.
And I've seen Gojira, I've I'veseen Gojira before, but oh man,
they didn't they didn't do sowell with their with their
sound.
It was too muddled, even thoughI could hear it, I could tell
like I'm like, oh, it's that'sthis is the song, but everyone
else is going, What?

(01:04:48):
I can't even tell where wherethe song's at.
And I was like, ah, and it'slike that's a bummer.
Even got better.
Yeah, but then seeing Metallic,you know, being going like
remembering me being 12 yearsold and now being like 26, 27,
I'm going like, and they playedevery song that I wanted them to
play.
And yeah, they it was justgreat.

(01:05:09):
That was that stuck in my memoryof being like that.
I'm like, I I could die a happyman kind of thing.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:14):
Alright, man.
I'm gonna age myself my firstcon my first concert was uh use
your illusion tour, dude.
Whoa, yeah, with Faith No Moreopening it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:05:23):
Oh, okay.
Hey, Faith No More.
I do love Faith No More, butthat that goes but way back.

SPEAKER_01 (01:05:27):
Yeah, that's uh I've seen Guns N' Roses three times,
three different eras.
Nothing is the first nothing'slike the first, but the third,
man, you know, any any bandsthat can play three and a half
hours, it's solid in my book,man.
But like Guns N' Roses,Slaughter Trip of Veil, dude,
just his live, like how he doeshis thing.

(01:05:47):
Yeah, you know, Alex theTerrible, but uh that that one
Guns N' Roses, and dude, I'mgonna tell you if you haven't
hands down seen him at all live.
I mean Stapleton's out there,Chris, you know, just how he is,
dude.
Guitarist, you know, but SturgleSimpson, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:06):
Oh, dude.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:07):
Have you seen him live?

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:08):
No, he's he's on my bucket list.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:10):
He I saw him and I hands down the best uh show I've
ever seen in my life.

SPEAKER_00 (01:06:16):
I've heard he's just incredible live.

SPEAKER_01 (01:06:18):
He doesn't talk much, which I love.
That's the same thing asCaether.
Caether doesn't talk much.
Oh no, yeah, I see.
They just they just play.
And I love that, dude.
You're like, dude, yeah, I'mhere to music.
Yeah, yeah, music aside, youjust just rock out.
Caether's one of them, butSturgeville Simpson, man.
Three and a half hours of justnon-stop, just jamming out,

(01:06:38):
dude.
Like I I was at all.
I was like, I need more.
I just needed more, man.
If you ever get a chance, seehim.
And then yeah, I that's when hishe was on not this last tour,
but the tour before his last hecut the Spokane show to go to
Portland.
Oh, yeah.
I remember that.

(01:06:59):
So I'm at the gorge.
So I'm at the gorge, and man,three and a half hours, and I'm
just like, all right.
So the way his presence, butthen I put something on social
media, you know, social mediasucks, dude.
But, anyways, I'm like, man,he's probably the greatest
showman I've ever seen.
And then some guy was like, Ifwell man, you if you you don't
know Sturgil, then you know,he's he says hands down he's

(01:07:22):
very insecure of his stagepresence.
I was like, bro, I didn't seeit.
You know what I mean?

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:26):
Who I was like, who's not insecure?
I don't stage.
I I I'm insecure all thefreaking time.

SPEAKER_01 (01:07:30):
He he would he would basically say that he's not the
best showman.
I'm like, to each our own, butlike, you know, you know, it's
just like dude, it was handsdown the best show I've ever
been in.
I've seen a lot of concerts,I've seen a lot of comedians,
you know, yeah, just do theirthing, dude.
He Sturgeil, there's somethingabout him, man, just how he does

(01:07:51):
it, how he performs, just jamsout with his band and and just
nonstop goes.
That's so cool.

SPEAKER_00 (01:07:58):
You got to see it.
Dude, I'm jell, I'm jealous.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:01):
I I'll always see him like uh, you know, because
they don't come out here much.
No.
I think it's because of thetaxes.
I think it's because, you know,a lot of people don't, you know.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:12):
Whoever you're following or whatever it is.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:14):
And I also feel like a lot of people uh that don't
align politically don't come uphere too.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:19):
That's true.
I've I have noticed that in thelast five or so years that that
yeah, people they don't theydon't come up here.
It's a bummer too, because it'sjust like it's like don't don't
put uh people under that kind ofumbrella because you uh yeah,
it's it's really stupid.
Yeah, I think I think we'd putaway the politics and that kind
of crap.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:36):
I know man, so like politics aside, dude, best best
concert I've ever been to isSturgil.

SPEAKER_00 (01:08:41):
Oh man, yeah, that's that I could I could see that
three and a half hours of that.
So I would I would be blownaway, man.
Yeah, that would be so cool.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:08:49):
And then yeah, the crappiest one, I'm huge fans,
seeing them multiple times whenthey but when they started
getting sober, dude, it was justnothing like it.
So Kings of Leon, man, I'm ahuge fan.
I've I've only been over whenthey got sober, it was just
like, damn, man, but when theywere fucked up, dude, two and a
half, three hours just jammingout, just like Sturgeil, you

(01:09:11):
know, Nashville sound, theOklahoma, Tennessee sound that
they have.
Yeah, you ever gotten into Kingsof Leon?

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:18):
I know I know some of their heads.
Sex on fire.
Yeah, sex on fire.
I know that's obviously, but Iknow I know people are like die
hard.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:24):
Yeah, go to their old stuff.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:26):
Old stuff, yeah.
Because I remember yeah, a lotof people have always like uh I
know I know I have a few friendsthat are just love their stuff.
And and again, I don't I I don'thave opinion because I don't I
haven't listened to them, so Ican't really give you my full
opinion.

SPEAKER_01 (01:09:37):
Yeah, you see them live.
I've seen them a lot of times,man.
And yeah, that that transitionwhen they uh cleaned their act,
they took them a bit.
I th I took them a bit to getthe sober life.
Yeah.
And yeah, it's uh you can reallytell, man, when people are
struggling and struggling sober.

SPEAKER_00 (01:09:58):
Yeah, yeah, it's that the and when it when you
could see it just right there asplain as day.
You're just kinda you're like,like, I'm not, I'm not, I can't
enjoy this, man.
It's just it's just hurting me,kind of thing.
Yeah, I I yeah, I've seen acouple of those scenarios.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:10):
If if anything, man, it like seriously, we've been
here on uh uh for an hour, youknow that, right?

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:14):
Have we?

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:15):
Yeah, we've been here for an hour, man, talking.
We could we can go another time,but like anytime you want to go
to a concert or you know, ifyou're playing whatnot, give me
a call, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:26):
Oh, dude, I would love to, man.
That'd be awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:10:28):
Yeah, I always you know, I go to concerts alone a
lot, but man, I definitely wouldlove to go to a concert with
you.
And yeah, man.
Um you see you jam outeventually soon, multiple times.
You know, I'm I'm not a not aroadie kind of guy, but you
know, I'll go and uh supportacts and then the local pub or

(01:10:50):
wherever you're the venue.
Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:10:52):
So no, and I again I do appreciate you reaching out,
man, and for for getting thisall set up, man.
This has been this been awesome.
Just this bit I can't believe anhour's gone by.
Dude, it goes quick.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:02):
There's sometimes, you know, a lot of people are
like, hey, I'm gonna go threehours.
And when they when they try tosay they go three hours, we it
it does, but we do do that, butman, it takes a lot on out on
you.
It takes a lot and just mentallyyou start mumbling your words,
you start thinking other things.
You're like, okay, I need to goget something to eat.

SPEAKER_00 (01:11:23):
I you know oh yeah, no, what I've done.
I'm trying to look back and justthink about like like did I did
I say say everything I needed tosay kind of thing, but no, it's
like this is still like it'sstill fun, and like and I hope
and I hope to because I knowit's just like because I know
haven't had the chance youhaven't seen me perform or
anything, and I hope hopefullyit gets a chance chance to come
out here in two to perform, man.

(01:11:44):
I will because it is a greathonestly, I do have to say this
is a great community ofmusicians that I've I've had the
pleasure of being around for thelast four years.
So yeah, it's a there's a lot ofgreat music, and I'm glad that
Tri Cities has become such agood hub too for that as well.

SPEAKER_01 (01:11:57):
So yes, speaking of you know, Yotes, yeah.
Oh yeah, that rockabilly, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:02):
Great dude.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:03):
There's there's nothing like asking him, hey
man, can you play a little tigerarmy?

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:08):
You know them?
Uh he's talked to me about them,but yeah, no, I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:12):
Oh, dude, dude check them out.
Check them out.
They started they they startedbig soCal and he went okay, he
went he went solo, so he's he'sgot that rockabilly 1950s
country going on.
Solo.
Uh yeah, Nick 13 is what Nick 13is his name, yeah, Tiger Army,
but then also his solo stuff.

(01:12:32):
But he came out with uh AFI, hedid a few things with AF Right,
and they yeah, they came uptogether and yeah, three-piece
band, bass, and everything,rock, true rockability.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:42):
True rock ability.

SPEAKER_01 (01:12:43):
So yeah, check it out, dude.
You'll you'll like that sound.
But uh yeah, when when I when Isaw Yotes, I was like, dude,
play some Tiger Army, and hedid, bro.
Oh my god, no one no one knewwhat he was playing.
He but I'm all rocking out,yeah.

SPEAKER_00 (01:12:56):
Yotes, like when I first it was so funny because
like I I've seen him, one ofthose guys you just hear of, you
you see his name, yeah.
And I met him at Ruckus in theBoonies in Hepner, Oregon.
And yeah, big hill likerockabilly guy, like, and he's a
great guy, good dude.
Oh, yeah.
Uh yeah, he was he was talkingto me all about all that stuff
about like you know, all thestuff he listened to and all

(01:13:18):
that stuff, and then the nextday, because we partied all
night in Heppner, and I waspartying too much.
I just went to go pass out mycar in the parking lot, and then
the next day we both had thissinger-songwriter at Long
Branch, and we just see eachother.
How are you doing?
Uh it was a long night.
So it was cool to actually getto hear him do a bunch of his

(01:13:39):
law of his range of all thestuff he's written.
It it's really cool stuff.
Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:43):
So when when the festivals come back, you gonna
plaster them on your socialmedia?

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:48):
Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 (01:13:49):
Where where can people find you?

SPEAKER_00 (01:13:51):
You can find me at Facebook, Jared Graham, and then
on Instagram, Jared.q.gram.
You could those those are mymain two.
I don't I don't have TikTok oranything.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:01):
I'll plaster them on the description.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:03):
Awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:04):
Of this episode and everything else.
And man, it's it's a pleasure.
Hopefully, you know, we talkedabout everything.
You know, you said to yourself,you don't know if you've said
everything, but you could alwayscome back, man.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:16):
Yeah, because it's like and it's just been it's
it's it was really cool to kindof talk about all this stuff.
You know, I don't really talkabout with a lot of people about
all my my background andeverything.

SPEAKER_02 (01:14:24):
Tell me about it.

SPEAKER_00 (01:14:25):
Yeah, yeah.
So it's it's really cool to havethis of like an open
conversation and talk abouteverything about everything
music.
So that's that's just fun.

SPEAKER_01 (01:14:34):
That's what I wanted to do, man.
And I and you you fell for it,and I I think uh everybody's
gonna be happy, you know.
A lot of people try to pinpointthis podcast.
It started out just havingconversations during uh COVID
years and me traveling here,there, everywhere in between to
tackle mountains and miles andstuff like that.
That's how it started.
But then I started putting allthe the music, I started putting

(01:14:56):
all the stuff that I enjoy.
And you know, top three percentin the world and podcasts.
I'm not broguing money, youknow, but I do my thing, and
people I've I've lost a lot ofpeople, I've gained a lot of
people, and it just comes withthe territory.
But people have started tonotice, the regular listeners

(01:15:16):
started to notice like who I am.
I've never put out who I was orwho I what I've why I do what I
do.
Yeah, I've thought about it, butI I I don't think I'm gonna do
it.
It's just too much.
Too much.
I I I let my guests give alittle tidbits on who I am as a
person.
And so with you being on, it itshould say a lot.

(01:15:38):
It means a lot for me to haveyou on.
Love music.
Music's a huge part of my life,you know.
Oh yeah.
And I appreciate you letting meshare that and you share your
story and what you why you dowhat you do.

SPEAKER_00 (01:15:52):
So yeah.
Thanks, man.
Oh, thank you, man.
No, and I have to say, honestly,before we end this, like, man,
it's like like when you asked meto come on this, like I don't
know, like it goes right back tohow we were saying, like, I
don't know if if you followed meor I followed you, how how this
all started.
Like either way, the fact thatwhen you reached out, I would I
I felt honored that you evenbecause I I could seeing your

(01:16:14):
catalog of of who you'veinterviewed on this, I I I think
is a pretty big deal.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:18):
Oh, thanks.

SPEAKER_00 (01:16:19):
So I I felt really honored that you would even ask
me because like I it was justlike like me?
Like, are you sure you want thisguy?
Like I was like, I was a littlelike, oh my gosh.
So thank you for again foreverything.
Yeah, it's been awesome.

SPEAKER_01 (01:16:31):
Yeah, thank you.
And yeah, I'm always man, I Ilove the music, and I know I
can't go to every concert, but II take these little, you know,
the gigs and the pubs and andwineries and everything else as
a live concert myself, and thenI do do my best to treat you
guys like you're treating mebecause I love you know the
different renditions of songs,yeah.

(01:16:52):
And so no, dude, I'm gonnasupport you guys, and this is my
way of supporting you andputting you into light.
So hopefully you come a littlemore often on this side, and uh
people can uh hear your soundand start getting to know more
people.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:10):
Yeah, no, I know again, I appreciate it, man.
This this is this is really coolto give me this opportunity, and
yeah, just for you to uh helphelp me along this.
Again, this has just been ajourney for me and just kind of
just like I said, it's justgoing with the flow.
So thank you for that.

SPEAKER_01 (01:17:24):
Anytime, Jared, and uh until next time.

SPEAKER_00 (01:17:25):
Until next time.
All right, buddy.

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