February 10, 2025 • 50 mins
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What happens when a serendipitous Instagram comment leads to a lifelong commitment? That's exactly the journey Emily shares in this heartwarming episode of Mind Your Heart, as she reflects on her heartfelt engagement to Jake. Their love story began unexpectedly at a camp in 2018 and blossomed despite initial doubts and differing social circles. As Emily walks us through the progression of their relationship, you'll be drawn into the meaningful conversations and the challenges they faced, including the unexpected proximity that turned what could have been a long-distance romance into a thriving partnership.
As we celebrate Emily's big news, we also explore the anticipation leading up to the proposal and the crucial roles of trust and communication in their evolving relationship. Emily gives us an intimate glimpse into the planning stages and emotional complexities, sharing humorous and endearing moments that define their love. Her mother's heartfelt prayers for her happiness add another layer, reminding us of the importance of family support in finding a perfect match. Together, Emily and Jake faced uncertainties with mutual understanding, marking a new chapter in their journey.
The narrative takes a romantic turn as we tag along on their surprise engagement trip to New York City. Amidst laughter and a bit of fashion fuss, the excitement builds toward a Central Park carriage ride where Jake finally pops the question. This episode captures all the joy and unexpected turns of their love story, inviting listeners to celebrate the magic of love and the preciousness of finding someone who feels like home. Join us as we embrace the surprises life brings and follow along on social media for more heartwarming updates and engagement snapshots.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
favorite corner of the internetwhere we chat about all things
mental health.
I'm Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Trina.
Together, we're like yourreal-life Lorelai and Rory
Gilmore.
Each week, we'll bring you realconversations about the world
of mental health and we willpeel back layers on topics like
anxiety, depression and muchmore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff,
the everyday stuff andeverything in between.
So grab your emotional supportwater bottle I know we have ours
.
Find your comfiest chair orkeep your eyes on the road and
let's get into it.
Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Absolutely.
Join us as we mind our heartsand hopefully make minding yours
a little easier.
Speaker 1 (00:46):
Welcome back.
Welcome back to Mind your Heart.
It's been a while.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It has been a while.
Yeah, we did not hold up ourpromise.
Mind your Heart Mondays, butthat's okay, that's not true.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We held up our promise.
We just didn't.
We aren't going to be, wehaven't like, posted as much.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
Which that doesn't mean that we didn't hold up our
promise.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We still posted on some Mondays and now we just
took a break.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
Yeah, we're allowed to take a break too, yep.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
Okay, yeah.
And we're and moving forward.
We're going to do it everyother week.
Speaker 1 (01:19):
We're going to do it just a little bit.
Just a little bit less quantityfor better quality, yeah.
You don't agree with it, but Ialso I need time to be able to
like, do all the social mediastuff and I want it to be fun.
Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah so.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
I want to be able to take time and not have to feel
rushed.
I really don't want to rushthis year.
Yeah, like I would like to slowdown, okay, so yeah, yeah well,
all right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Um, so it will be every other week.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
Um, you just have to follow so you know when we're
posting yeah, yeah, and we'll bebetter about putting stuff on
um our instagram, um tiktok.
If that exists, who knows?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
and yeah, if you like us, then you will comment and
you will yeah and follow andshare other people find it, and
then we would do more.
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
all right.
Well, I don't know when that'llbe, but not yet.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, we just haven't even started posting every
other week all right, we'll justtake it as it is, and everyone
can do that for themselves for2025.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So happy new year, happy new year.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, this is an exciting episode because we have
some catching up to do.
We have some big, big thingsthat have occurred in 2024 that
we have to share about, and Imust have lacked communication
because I also wanted to includemy future son-in-law, so, um,
(03:10):
but we didn't.
So it's Emily's here today,just me, just Emily, to talk
about her big news.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, emily, what is your big news?
Well, I mean, you mean youalready said it, but I'm engaged
, jake and I are engaged.
So if you're watching, then youcan see.
Yes.
Also if you're not watching,you can follow on Instagram.
I have posted plenty of ringpics and some of the pictures
(03:42):
that we already got back fromthe actual engagement.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All right, so let's talk about.
Let's talk about the engagement, because that's what this
episode is about.
Um, emily's engaged and thishas been.
You guys have been together forfive and a half years, right?
Yep, yeah, five and a halfyears, and you met at camp, at a
camp, together yeah, we met in2018 um but we didn't talk that
(04:09):
summer like it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We didn't really know each other in 2018, but like we
knew of each other.
And then, like during the yearof like the rest of 2018, um,
jake started like commenting onlike my Instagram page and I
honestly thought it was a joke.
Like I thought a joke.
(04:33):
Yeah well, jake was and alwayshas been like one of like the
cooler people, like he was inlike the more popular like
groups and that was just.
I just never was in like themore popular like groups and
that was just.
I just never was like part ofthat and like I wouldn't
consider myself like popularwhen I was younger or I don't
(04:53):
think I'd ever say that that'sall right okay.
Um, and so when he startedcommenting on my Instagram, he
was like he would say sup, likethat was the thing, um, and I
was like what is happening, likeright now?
Like I just thought like maybethis is like a like a carrie
(05:14):
situation, where it's likethey're just he's saying this to
like rope me in and then belike ha ha, ha, gotcha.
Um, I don't know, like that'sjust what I thought.
What's a carrie situation?
Like the movie carrie?
like we're like a scary horrormovie well, yeah, but the
premise of that movie is that,like she gets voted to be like
(05:36):
prom queen- yeah, and then theypour the blood on her yeah, yeah
, but it's like to make fun ofher basically.
Oh well, that's sad.
You thought that kind of I waslike, just because I was like I
don't think, like he's nevershown any interest in me before
but that's such a such adiabolical thing to do well, I
didn't think he was gonna pourblood on me, but I didn't think
(05:59):
that he.
I thought he was like not, Ithought it was like kind of a
prank.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay so jake has like I.
I mean, I don't know, it wasn'tat camp, but I um yeah, I
before.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Before I actually knew jake and who he was, he
outwardly looked like a veryegotistical person and I I'm
shocked he also, like this, istaking a turn.
I did not expect it was muchdifferent and he would agree
with me.
I think that he um was a lotdifferent before we started
(06:35):
dating and also, like, was apart of this like well, like he
has a friend group and they'relike kind of like have named
themselves this like fraternity,sorority thing, and like that
was just like more of like alittle bit of a click um, which,
like they would probably notlove that.
I said that but yeah, well,well, when you name yourself as
(06:57):
a, yeah, but you know okay, I'mtaking offense to that too,
because we did that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I did that in high school.
We called ourselves the fastcook of cans and yeah so, and
you were a popular group of kids.
Yeah but we weren't egotisticalor mean to others.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, no, I'm not saying that they were
egotistical or mean to others,but like when you kind of
exclude other people, then Iguess that is a good way of
looking at it.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Um, outwardly, that's what it looks like but I mean,
like currently you have aspecial group of women friends
and you guys call yourself aname, uh, not really.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
We don't call ourselves a name.
I thought we have a shared loveof taylor swift yeah, I thought
it was like the swifties orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, that's the fandom name, yeah, but I mean, I
don't know how's that differentbecause that's a worldwide name
of a fandom.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We didn't name that yeah, but it doesn't seem
somewhat the same I mean, I, Iguess, but also like we're no,
because it's a different concept.
Okay, but yeah all right.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So he seemed like yeah, he seemed like he would be
playing a prank on but alsolike this group of people, like
I love them like yeah, they're.
I'm not like yeah, the guysabout them, yeah, like they're
young and they were in college,yeah, and I was also young, yeah
, and like I didn't know anybetter.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Also like I was 18, right, yeah, well, it was 18, 18
summer of 2018, um.
And then I turned 19 and that'swhen we really started like
actually talking.
Like he started texting me,well, because he commented his
phone number on my page and Iwas like what?
Like I felt so shocked becauseI was like he commented my page
(08:53):
is public and always has beenpublic, so he put his phone
number out there yeah, so I'mlike you're putting your real
phone number like on theinternet, um so we started with
the smooth sup now I get the supreference.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I've seen it for so many years and I've always been
like what is that?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
yeah, because it was like that was the thing he
commented and or he would likedo little.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
See, this is where I need him I need him here because
I need to know was like, wherewas that coming from?
Was he like a little shy?
And so it was just kind of likebecause that's how I see him,
egotistical and whatever it ishe, he just like also was is
very confident in like himself.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So, like at the time, like I was not confident in
myself.
So to me, like that lookeddifferent than like how I can
view it now in a healthy aspect.
Yeah, because, like the waythat I viewed all of this was
not how it was, like myperspective was from an
unhealthy point of view, fromunhealthy experiences.
So like even like me talkingabout his friend group, like
(09:57):
having a name and like beingthis, like like I'm like that, I
looked at that in an unhealthyway.
So like my perspective, I'm notsaying that in an unhealthy way
.
So like my perspective, I'm notsaying that they are a toxic
clicky group.
They're all wonderful peoplewho I love.
They'll all be, invited to ourwedding?
Yeah, but, um, at the time, myunhealthy view of popularity and
(10:19):
friendships well, you have beenvery burned and hurt in that
way.
Yeah, and also like campculture is like a completely
different world, yeah, like itjust is something that you can't
explain no, I, I, I've been in.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I've been to camp, yeah, and it was a church camp
and it was like two of myfavorite summers of my life yeah
, it's wonderful, but it's sodifferent.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's a whole nother world.
You're in a bubble.
Yeah, it's very inclusive.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So yeah, and loving and kind, and it doesn't matter
what your social status is.
Yeah, you're all included andit's fun.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And but when you come from, not that it's very
confusing and then you.
It's almost like like I wasprobably like excluding myself
to a degree of being like, ohwell, I'm not worthy to be in
this or that yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So, like all of these things that I felt like are not
true about these people, likethey were what I was making true
because of how I felt aboutmyself yeah um, that's probably
why that I felt a littledefensive when you first said
that, because um, I wasn'texplaining it very well, yeah
(11:24):
well also, I I realized likewhere the triggering was,
because it it's like assumingthat everyone that was in, like
the popular or cool group orwhatever it was like a jerk yeah
and um, I worked really hard tobe nice to everyone yeah so I
guess I immediately feltdefensive of that because I'm
like wait a minute, that's nottrue.
(11:44):
Like I had friends that weren'tand I didn't hang out with but
that I was like really kind andnice to, and you know, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But I understand.
But also when you're teenagers,there's always some kind of
whatever.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And as I have grown and been in different circles in
the world and have felt leftout before like I, have
experienced those feelings.
It is hurtful.
It's a hurtful feeling and Ithink when it happens to you as
a teenager, as an adult I'm like, eh, whatever, but as a
teenager it's like when you'reforming it's a formation of your
person, because you're alsolearning how to communicate.
(12:21):
Yeah, it's a much harderexperience and, honestly, your
generation this is somethingelse to consider With the whole
social media, I would have diedif this was my reality as a
teenager.
I would not have survived, andI'm not saying that dramatically
Like I actually really wouldhave been concerned for my
teenage self, my mental health,having lived through what you
(12:45):
guys have lived through.
Yeah, I, I mean, I've jokedbefore to people in my
generation about how there's,there's, no, there's no way.
I just wouldn't have survivedknowing that people were doing
this without me or doing that.
That would have been so hurtful, like things that that are
minor but feel so major becauseof social media.
Yeah, this is a whole nothersubject that we could do a
(13:07):
podcast episode on.
Yeah, so let's get back to thepoint, yeah, but okay, so you,
so you weren't expecting the.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
The bottom line is you weren't expecting this from
jake, so it's like slowly easingin, and I also like 2018 was
like caught up on another person.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, so like.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Jake and I, because we didn't know each other, like
we didn't talk.
And so then 2019, summer of2019, we had been talking but he
had initially like ended ustalking Because I had told him
in the beginning.
I was like I'm not playinggames, like I, if I was gonna
date someone, like I was 19 andI had never had a boyfriend.
(13:48):
So I was like, if we're gonnadate, like it's serious to me
yeah so I'm like don't mess withmy heart.
Basically like, if you're at anypoint, if you're not feeling it
like, just tell me and that'sokay, like I'll.
If I'm sad, I'm sad, but likeyou do you and so and this was
at a point where his parentswere like in the thick of
(14:09):
getting a divorce, so there wasa lot of things that he was
emotionally dealing with, um,and he was like I just can't
give you the attention right nowand I was like okay, and then
and you were doing your ownhealing from your own family
divorce.
Yeah, so yeah, and then we went,we showed up at camp and we
started like talking in personand it was just like easy.
(14:33):
We like the first time we everlike really had a full
conversation, I think we talkedfor like a couple of hours, like
we just walked in a circle atnight at camp and just like
talked about like not surfacelevel stuff, like we talked
about our family trauma.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like we talked about like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And it was like we have so many similarities in
things that we've experiencedthat it was like refreshing and
like just instantly comfortable.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And after that we just kept hanging out Like we
just were around each other allthe time and and I also at this
point I thought I was moving toNew York.
This was when I was like I hada roommate lined up, I knew
where I was going to live.
I was going to be a barista ata coffee place until I could
(15:25):
find a job.
I was moving to New York atthis point and I had told him I
don't know how to do longdistance like that seems like a
lot, especially for a firstboyfriend yeah, yeah.
And he initially he was likewell, what if we were dating,
(15:45):
like, would that make you feellike better about it, or
whatever, because at this pointwe weren't officially like
boyfriend and girlfriend.
This is after camp.
No, this was during camp.
Okay, he asks me this and thiswas apparently his way of asking
me to be his girlfriend.
That I didn't understand and I'mlike I mean, I guess that would
help, but like I don't know,like, and then the next day he
(16:09):
was like you never reallyanswered my question.
I was like, what question?
And he's like will you be mygirlfriend?
And I was like, oh yeah, like,of course.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But I didn't know that.
That's what he was asking me,that go to sleep thinking oh, I
don't know well it well, becausehe it wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
He said will you be my girlfriend?
It was like we were talkingabout something.
He was like well, would it help, would it reassure you if we
were dating?
And that doesn't to me, doesnot seem like asking me to be
his girlfriend.
Yeah so um, but he would claimsomething different so um, yeah,
and then from then on, like wewere always together in love
(16:49):
yeah, I know, I fell in lovewith him very fast yeah, you did
, you fell in love with him veryfast.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I remember which is easy in camp because you're
together.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You basically live together for the first beginning
part of your relationship.
So like you skip a lot of thelike awkward stage.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's like an intensified experience, like a
it's like the bachelor.
Yeah, a sped up, yeah, umexperience, yeah yeah, and then
when you guys came back, did hego back to college, like I don't
, so he was getting hisassociates at HTC.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So he was doing like online stuff and he only had
like a couple in-person classes,but they were in Tampa, okay,
and we didn't know that, like helived in Brandon and I lived in
Parrish, so we were only like40 minutes away from each other
and like had always been.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And like most of that's unusual, like for, like,
camp yeah, because usuallythey're all over the place, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So it was like wait a minute, like we're actually
like within driving distance ofeach other, like this will be
not as hard as we think that itwill be.
So yeah, and then like, andthen basically he stayed with
you and I, yeah, like, and Iwould stay sometimes over at his
dad's house, but it was yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
He kind of moved in.
Yeah, he moved in like after alittle bit like going back and
forth.
It was a good, it was goodtiming for him to to do that
anyway, because of everythingthat was going on at home for
him.
Yeah, so um it was.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I feel like it was good, like nothing about that.
I mean like towards the end itwas definitely like we were all
crowded oh yeah, but we werecrowded it was also like I don't
ever feel like it was like abad situation, like no, no no, I
don't mean like yeah no, no no,I know chaos going on at his
house.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I think it was like I just think of the end of
a marriage.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's hard for everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah for sure, and it he was in the house that like
he had grown up in with hisparents.
So um it was.
It was just like the timing washow it was supposed to be yeah
so yeah, that's how we met andstarted dating, but yeah, okay,
so fast forward.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So we, we, you go through, you live together and
you move in together and like inyour first apartment yeah, and
then you move 2021, 2021.
And then you move here and then, um, you're just going along
with life and then you'rewondering when, when, when is
Jake?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Well, so I'm going to propose, but I did know we had
talked about it.
I don't mean just you.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I was also wondering the same thing I had to calm
myself down.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, yes, more than once.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I did, though I did calm down.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, after a couple of conversations, yeah, of I did
calm down.
Yeah, after a couple ofconversations, yeah, of
uncalmness.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, I was worried.
I was like, oh goodness, she'sgoing to get her heart broken
and I was scared.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I was never worried about that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, and when you finally like I finally got the
message, I was like, okay, she'snot worried about this.
I trust you and your feelings,yeah okay, she's not worried
about this.
I trust you and your feelings,yeah, and I'm gonna.
That is interesting to knowthough, because at the time I
was like why is she like?
I wasn't trying to rush you, Ihad.
No, that was not.
It was very confusing because Idon't think you even knew.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It was because you were afraid I was gonna get hurt
no, I knew.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh really, yeah, I just I wasn't you didn't say
that I was.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I know I didn't vocalize it, but I mean, I would
have been able to tell you likethat's not, yeah, the case.
Also, if I did, then I did.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
As soon as you did tell me that though as soon as I
heard it, understood it I, likeI said, I trusted you, so I
didn't know, maybe I didn'trealize that I was scared for
your heart.
Like I was so scared for yourheart and I'm like but that's
(20:39):
part of life I can't protect youfrom everything anyway, and if
you're supposed to go throughheartbreak, then I'll just be
here if you are, and if not,then I'll be here too.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So when I finally got that message but you're right-
it did take me a little whilebecause, again, because I was
scared and like me and myresponses and fear, but also
like the worst, you also loveJake.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I love Jake so like it would have not only been
heartbreak for me, like it wouldhave been heartbreak for our
whole family like becauseeverybody loves him yeah, so
it's not like it would have justbeen like the greatest.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, so it would have been hard for everyone if
that did happen For sure.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And also you're right , and I get very attached, and
when I get attached I have areally hard time letting go,
which is can be suffocatingsometimes to people, or at least
it seems as if it has been inthe past.
But, yeah, so I, it seems as ifit has been in the past.
But, um, yeah, so I didn't wantto imagine that makes me upset.
(21:37):
I didn't want to imagine himnot being there like he feels,
has felt like family for so long.
Yeah, I mean he honestly is.
I mean I told him this.
Okay, so let's back up.
So before you guys got engaged,he, he came like I found out
that he was going to ask you andI did not tell you, even though
(21:57):
everyone thought I would andeven he didn't know that.
I knew, I knew for a long timeand I was like he didn't know
that you knew no, he didn't knowthat.
I knew he didn't.
This is before he came to me hedidn't know that.
I knew, um, and when he askedto come meet me, meet with me, I
was like this, is it he's gonna, he's gonna talk about it.
Because I was like why hasn'the asked to come meet with me?
I was like this, is it, he'sgoing to talk about it?
Because I was like why hasn'the come to me?
(22:17):
He hasn't come, he hasn't.
Why do other people know and Idon't know?
And at first I was upset.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Who are the other?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
people Just like Nanny and Steve, nanny and Steve
and at first I was upset, I wasupset and then I was like, well
, that's ridiculous, I'm like itdoesn't matter, it's a, it is
whatever it needs to be, it'llbe.
And also, neither one of themtrust me to keep the secret
because I told you, because Ihonestly was like he hasn't come
to me, I can say that and I go.
This has also given me theopportunity to tell the truth.
(22:44):
Yeah like I and I could promise.
I promised you he hasn't cometo me.
Yeah, and even though I knew hewas gonna ask me, I was like
and I go.
And she is going to think thatI wouldn't be able to keep a
secret, but I can keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, because sometimes you can't.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
With you.
I guess it is harder.
I can keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Because I feel like every Christmas somehow I know
you tell me what you're gettingme at some point.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't like to keep things from you.
I know, but when they'renecessary to keep from you I can
.
So now you know, yeah, soanyway.
So when he was coming to talkto me, I was I'm like I'm going
to write him a letter Because Iwant him to know how much he
means to me and how excited I amabout this.
Oh means to me and how excitedI am about this, oh and um.
(23:40):
And so then he came and I swearwe were like two fumbling
imbeciles like we were both likeso nervous, yeah, and um kind
of shaky.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I watched the video you did, oh yeah and so I
haven't seen the video it'sfunny because it's like you're
neither of.
You are uncomfortable in frontof each other ever, ever yeah,
but in that video.
I'm like did you just meet?
Yeah, it seems like it doesn'tit.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm not surprised, because at one point he's like
I'm like I'm in my workoutclothes and he's like you want
to change?
And I kind of hesitate and I'mlike, do I want to change?
And then I'm like, no, we justneed to get this on.
Yeah, go over this, over with,because I can't take it anymore.
I'm like bursting.
I felt like I was bursting andthen so he said, I told well,
(24:22):
one thing I said to him was thatand I remember this vividly
like praying over you as a babyand asking God, because I really
felt like and it makes me sosad that it didn't end up being
that way but I was like I reallywant to give this baby, like I
want her to see love, I want herto see what love is and I want
(24:44):
to give her an example of purelove.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
and, um, because I, I loved your dad, yeah, and so I
was like I I really want, andthen I like gave you the
opposite, but I, but I did praythat's not fair to say, because
you didn't give me the opposite,like just because, like there
were things that were unhealthyand whatever, like doesn't mean
(25:08):
that like like you loved hard,like that was never like a
question to me, so like I don'tthink that that's not something
that you gave me, like you likealso showed unconditional love
to everyone around you, even todad, when he would sometimes
(25:29):
didn't deserve it, which is whatunconditional love would be.
So I don't think I don't thinkyou're giving yourself enough
credit for that, okay.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, I did pray for you that you would that the
person that God put in your life, that they would be, you know,
a man that adored you andrespected you and boosted you up
and supported you, and that youloved and that you were friends
and that you, that that eachother were the most important
(26:01):
and, um, and I prayed for thiskind of love kind of one.
But I didn't know.
And, and jake, and there's Jake, yeah, and God, and God gave us
Jake.
And so it felt like I remembertelling my brother and he, and
he's like he's like, how do youfeel?
(26:22):
I'm like I couldn't have pickeda better person for her.
I couldn't have.
Like, if I had searched far andwide, I couldn't have picked a
better person.
And so he just felt like such agift, he feels like such a gift
.
So when he told I don't evenremember what he said to me, I
need to watch the video becauseI couldn't remember All I could
(26:43):
think of was I'm so happy forthem and that what a beautiful
gift that you two are.
And I just couldn't even hear,barely hear him.
I just remember him sayingabout you being his best friend
and how much he loved you andadored you and all these
wonderful things about you, andI was like this is, this, is so
(27:03):
exciting.
And then he asked for myblessing and I gave it to him.
And then I read him a two-pageletter, poor jake and um well,
you both read something to eachother yeah he read something to
me, I read something to him and,um, we like hugged and we were
so excited.
And then it was like excitement,like it was like yeah I want to
(27:26):
see the ring.
You want to um know this one ofthat it was like, like secret
little texts and then it wasjust so, and then even in the
airport.
So we go to new york, we'regoing to new york and that's
where he's going to ask her innew york and he's gonna.
He tells us about your, hisplan, about how he's gonna um
take you to central park in themorning, and we're like what,
(27:48):
she's not gonna get up at seveno'clock in the morning,
everybody like had zero faith inme, which, honestly, I was like
okay, guys, like I have wokenup early in my lifetime.
Multiple times I used to have ajob it's not a regular thing you
enjoy, so I don't enjoy it I donot like waking up early, but I
have done it and I still do it.
(28:08):
You're capable of getting up,but we didn't give you enough
credit.
You're right.
So we thought you were going tobe grouchy about it because you
it was a day off, it was like abreak.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
He literally told me about this.
Like that we were waking upearly, like before we even went
on the trip and he was like isthat going to be okay?
And I was like, yeah, yeah,okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That was my initial response he's going to take you
on a care.
He told you he's going to takeyou on a carriage ride, which I
have to.
When we get to that part, Ihave to tell, because that's
hilarious and um and and thatyou guys were gonna have like a
day by yourself, which is whatkind of you only had like a
little while by yourself, andthen it was a mob of family.
But um, but when you were in thebathroom, when we were in the
(28:47):
airport, he's like, do you wantto see the ring?
And he pulls out the ring andand like I'm getting on the
floor, I'm like kneeling on theground and we're like looking at
the ring and I'm thinking, ifshe comes back, like what are we
gonna do?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
and it was so.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It was so like we all were so excited, like the
excitement on the way.
There is something I will neverforget because it was like the
anticipation.
And then I was just watchingthe two of you and also jake
this is supposed to be me askingyou about the engagement and I
know I'm sharing my experience.
Okay, um because I it's likejake grew up before my eyes on
(29:24):
that trip.
Like I already thought he wasjust wonderful, but I think I
thought of him more as like youguys, as like adults.
But we were boyfriend andgirlfriend yeah, boyfriend and
girlfriend.
And then I just watched himlike take charge and lead the
way and manipulate the subwayand get us where we needed to be
(29:46):
and make sure we're OK, both ofus, like obviously you was not
a question, but he was even thatway to me, which I felt, which
has always been so great abouthim, because he has never made
me, he's never made me feel shutout.
Yeah, he's embraced me, me as afamily member too.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that's really special.
Yeah, and I told his mom I'mlike what a great man he is,
yeah, and she's like I knew hewas going to be a good boyfriend
and she was so cute about herbaby son and it was like, oh, I
think that is so cool.
Yeah, and he is such a good,he's such a good man.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I can't wait to see him be a dad.
Oh, me too, I like I'm gonnamelt into a puddle all right.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
So that's my experience.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Let's hear about yours um, well, I had, like we
had talked about the fact thatwe were going to be engaged in
2024, so, like that was not asurprise, um, but I had no idea
that it was going to happen.
When we were in new york, um,jake had like elaborately
(31:03):
planned out multiple lies totell me, so that way it would
like steer me off the path.
Um, like he had told me.
He was like, so, afterChristmas, like we're gonna go
like on this like little, likehalf anniversary trip, because
when we first started dating, wedid we celebrated every six
months, excuse me.
(31:25):
And um, um, and on December 26th2019, he gave me a promise ring
.
And so I'm like, oh, like he'sdefinitely that's going to be a
full circle moment, like it's,he's going to do it then.
And then he was like we'regoing to go to Georgia and that
was our first road trip.
(31:45):
And I was like, okay, like he'sprobably going to take me, me,
to providence canyon, which iswhere we first went.
Like I'm like in my head, likethat's definitely it.
Um, and so, like he had forsure steered me that way and the
whole point of the trip, um,for new york, was to see the
rockets.
At least that's what I thought.
(32:05):
Yeah and um, which we still diddo that.
That was not a lie so yeah, thatwas all true yeah, that was
true, um, but then, yeah, andthen he was like we're gonna go
on a carriage ride in centralpark and I was like, oh, that's
gonna be so fun.
And the night before, and sowe're in new york and it's cold
like it's very cold um, and theday of the actual engagement,
(32:28):
like it was like the feel likewas like in the teens, so, um,
and it was like I think in the20s or something.
Um, and so the night before Iknew it was going to be cold and
I was like maybe I'll just likewear sweatpants and a
sweatshirt.
And he was like no, and I waslike what do you mean?
No, like I'm like I want to becomfortable, like we're gonna be
(32:51):
sitting like a blanket will becovering most of my body like,
and he was like.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I don't think you should wear that, and he never.
This is not how he ever acts.
No, this is not the kind of manhe is.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
No, and so I was like what?
I was like what do you mean?
Was like well, that's notreally a fit.
And I was like, excuse me, Iwas like what do you mean?
It's not a fit.
I wear this on the regular.
Are you saying that I just looklike a slob when I wear
sweatpants and a sweatshirt?
And in my head I'm like youwear that all the time, like
(33:24):
you're calling yourself unstyled.
And so I was like gettingirritated and he was like well,
no, no, like when we werepacking, like you showed me a
specific outfit and so I likematched that vibe and I was like
, oh, okay, and then it wasrecovered yeah, he was, and
thank goodness that was fastthinking yeah, yeah, and um,
(33:44):
which is true, which is true, Idid show him an outfit that I
was going to wear, and so, butinitially I was like that was so
strange.
And then that night too I don'tremember what it was but he had
like lied about something verysmall, like it was like the
smallest thing, and I was likewhy did you just lie to me?
(34:07):
That was so like weird.
Like you don't, we don't dothis.
Like you don't we tell eachother everything?
Like yeah, we don't lie.
Like what is this?
And we like I like basicallylike therapized him.
I'm like why do you think thatthis is happening?
Like we like actually had aconversation about it and um,
because I was like bothered,like I'm like why are you?
(34:27):
Because it so a differentsituation had come up previously
, that he had like also like nottold me the truth about
something, and I was upset.
Later I come to find out thathe's been having to keep all
these things.
So he's had to think on his feetfor months and months.
And so like his brain has beengetting used to like, not like
(34:47):
having to not tell the truthabout some things.
So it made sense.
But I I could tell in thatmoment he was like I don't know
what to say here like yeah yeah,because it was like why did I
lie?
like it's just become a habitbecause, I've had to not tell
you things for so long um, andthen the next morning, like we
(35:09):
get up and our hotel room wasvery small, like it was like a
bed and a bathroom and like thatwas really it.
And so Jake had told me laterhe was like you kept like I
didn't really want to put on awhole lot of makeup, like I was
like I'm going to get, like itwas early, we had to wake up
early, so I was like I'm'm justgonna do minimal, like getting
(35:38):
ready or whatever.
And he, he kept being like areyou gonna like go in the
bathroom?
And I was like uh, I guess likeyeah, and later he told me he
was like I just needed to putthe ring box like in my coat,
but like our room was there wasno place to do that without me
seeing unless I was in thebathroom with the door closed.
Yeah, um, and so he kept askingme like are you gonna like do
(35:59):
your hair?
And I'm like what, like?
What are you saying to me rightnow?
Like this is so weird.
But in my head, like I wasn'treally thinking anything of it,
I was just kind of like he'sdistracted about something yeah
I was just like do to dowhatever, um.
And and then he was like, well,let's take a picture before we
(36:23):
walk out, and I was like, okay,and normally he's not, yeah,
like he doesn't do that, um.
But again I found out that wasbecause he was sending it to the
photographers so that they knewwhat we were wearing, yeah.
And like the whole ride overbecause we took a lift to
Central Park.
It was a very quiet car rideBecause poor Jake, like he was,
(36:44):
like I was dying, Like.
I felt like it was like right,like it was so close, but get so
far yeah, and because theanticipation he had this plan
and he had it all planned out.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, so elaborately, yeah he was gonna have a
photographer there avideographer yep, and he had
this whole thing planned outspecifically in central park,
specifically at this time,because it's not busy.
Yeah, in central park at 7 30in the morning yeah and and so,
like the night before, he wasafraid that someone was gonna
slip because everybody like we.
(37:17):
We that's when we went and haddo we have ice cream?
No, it was like that ice creamshop.
What did we?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
have cheesecake.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, cheesecake, yeah yeah, yeah and um, a little cafe
and everyone felt sentimental.
No one wanted you guys to leave.
We were all like watching, yeah, and you like hugged me really
long yeah Before Because.
I'm like she's going to beengaged, when I see her again.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Nanny almost blurts, like was, and Steve Like these
their eyes were welling up.
And Jake's like we got to getout of here.
So it was so, but I had no idea.
You had no idea and we and likewatching you guys.
Knowing that that was comingwas just.
It was such a cool experienceit was like being able to, it
was like being out like on afishbowl, like yeah, like
(37:56):
watching yeah, and when we went,skating in central park.
I I just like just watching thetwo of you and it was so, so
beautiful.
It's just so sweet and so pure.
And and I also got toexperience that when you guys
did live with me yeah, there wasa time where I was like I feel
like I'm invading their space,like I tried to make a second
(38:19):
living room in Jackson's room,and then Jackson thankfully came
back and I was like, well, Ithink the time's up yeah, yeah
it's too crowded and um and so,but it was, it's been a
beautiful thing to watch and so,knowing that was coming, I
think he's probably just readyto explode.
Yeah, no wonder he didn't talk.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So you get there but I didn't think anything of that
because I'm like I don't like totalk in the morning yeah so I
was like, oh, he's just givingme like white time in this, like
lift ride, and so you get acentral park.
We get there and we're walkingthe funniest part we're walking
to and in my head this wholetime like we're gonna go on a
carriage ride yeah, um, and sohe's like guiding me, but he
(38:59):
keeps walking like in front ofme and I'm like what are you
doing?
like why are you not walkingnext to me?
And um, and he's like, oh sorry, but it's like because he had
miked himself up so that way wecould listen back to what he
said.
So like he's like I can't pullout my phone like in front of
you, but he also had to likepull up the maps to see where we
(39:22):
were going to, the specificlocation, and so we get it's
Bethesda Fountain and Terrace iswhat it was called.
And so like you walk down a fewsteps and there's like a lake,
and then like behind it it'slike this, like there's a bridge
, but like under the bridgethere's like these arches and
(39:44):
stuff, and we walk down and thelake is like completely frozen
over and like this is somethingI have not seen.
Like I'm Florida born andraised, so like I was like, oh
my God, yeah the lake.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Look at the lake it's frozen.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, look at solid ice Like.
I was like we need to throwsomething on it.
And he was like okay, but Ijust thought it was so cool, so
I was like whatever.
And then we're like walkingaround.
I was like I don't think acarriage is gonna come down
these steps you you, you did,you were, you were still like.
Well, he said so well, and thenwe walked over and I was like,
(40:23):
baby, I don't think we're in theright place.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
And he was like well, let's just keep walking the
first time you took one stepdown is when you should have
been like there's no way.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I thought we were walking through like I was like
I don't know where we're goingyeah um and and then, because
then he stopped walking.
And then I was like I think youshould call yeah, and he was
like no, and I was like yeah,yeah, you should call.
Like clearly I don't see anycarriage around here he also
described that the carriage wasgoing to be like with two horses
(40:57):
and like be this like big,whatever thing which like zero
carriages in new york had twohorses like so it was like he
had made up this thing thatreally did not exist that's the
princess.
And then he kind of like movesme over to like the center of
like this circle that's on theground and like grabs like both
(41:20):
my hands, and he was like so youknow, I love you and you're my
best friend.
And I was like, oh my God, ohmy God, like this is happening
like right now.
Like, oh my god, oh my god,like this is happening like
right now, like, and I like itwas like it instantly.
I was like holy shit, like andum, I don't remember what he
said after that, but I like Iwas just like shaking and then
(41:43):
he proposed and I was like yes,yes, yes, and I feel like I was
like crying without tears comingout Because, like it was like
all these emotions like at once.
And then, like I realized thatthe only other two humans that
were in that area were aphotographer and videographer.
And then they introducedthemselves and they were amazing
(42:08):
and we like walked throughCentral Park and like took
pictures like on the subway, andit was like the pictures are so
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
They're so good.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, they're so good and we only got like the
selects back, which there waslike 54 of them, which I was
like I thought that would be allof them.
Yeah, but we get all of themback.
The video on valentine's dayvalentine's yeah so, and then
after that I'm like callingeverybody, like all my friends
and and we're all dying, likewe're all texting each other.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Have you heard anything yet?
No, have you heard anything yetI don't know.
I'm thinking I'm gonna sleep inbecause I'm like I knew what we
were meeting you for lunch,yeah, and which you didn't know
which I didn't't know.
Yeah, and then and that Carriewas coming and Jake's sister and
Jake's grandma and grandpa likehis family was coming, so that
was very exciting and Carrie andI had been texting like like a
(43:00):
few weeks before that.
And she's like our baby'sgetting or getting married.
And I'm like Carrie because wehad never texted before.
I'm like I don't think this isTony, I'm pretty sure this is
Carrie.
And then we were just soexcited and then um, and then so
we were and I was like I'mgonna sleep in, then I'll see
him at lunch.
And then Steve and Nanny arelike oh no, you need to be ready
, you need to be.
I don't like I need to be ready.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I, I was gonna sleep in, I have to wake up like and
so then I couldn't be ready.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, I didn't have to be ready.
This got me.
It got in my head and Ilistened, and then I was like I
don't know what to do.
I don't know, I don't, I don'tknow what I should do.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I didn't call anybody like instantly, like we like
yeah, you did pictures and stuff, yeah, yeah because I was also
like okay, like this is also amoment where like, yeah, for
this short amount of time, likeonly the two of us, and then
obviously the photographer andvideographer like, but only the
two of us, and then obviouslythe photographer and
videographer like, but only thetwo of us know, yeah, about this
yeah and like that's nevergonna happen again yeah and so I
(43:56):
was like, because I did say,after he proposed, I was like I
should call my mom and he waslike well, why don't we wait
until we like get on somebody?
and I was like, okay, and then Idid wait and you were the first
person that I called and then,um, I called like my friends and
stuff, and then, like he hadtold me that we were going
(44:17):
somewhere for brunch and I waslike, oh great, but you came to
the hotel first, because weremember you guys came back to
the hotel, and then you and Iwere screaming in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, and then we went into my room and you were
guys were telling me about itand I was like sobbing yeah and
um, and then you got it was likeso exciting, but I wasn't like
I wasn't sure if you knew whereI was gonna see you at lunch.
And so I'm like sitting thereand I'm like I gotta go and and
I'm like trying not to sayanything, I'm looking at jake
and I'm like what are you guysdoing now?
(44:47):
And you're like, oh, I don'tknow.
And I was like, okay, theydon't know, yeah so then I was
like all right, see you later.
And off I went and I was likehurrying out to the restaurant
and luckily, like he likedistracted you for a little bit,
and then you guys, so we wereall there and nanny had it all
set up it looked so cute yeah,she had these little napkins and
little bags and yeah it wasvery cute.
(45:07):
And then I I met jake's familyand we were all so like, oh,
we're all so excited.
So we're like sitting there andthis beautiful, the room was
beautiful, with that huge,beautiful tree, that was really
pretty, yeah.
And then, um, it had thesestairs.
And then I see you guys, and Ican clearly see you, and I see
jake and I we make eye contactand I'm like, oh no, you are
(45:29):
like do do, do well, because Ihad, because I'm thinking we're
walking into a restaurant, thetwo of us I'm not looking for
anyone, so I'm like not like itliterally came all the way down
the stairs and then I looked andI was like holy shit, there's
everybody's here your face.
It was like it, like therecognition and then the oh,
because then it was like boomboom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
(45:49):
like all these people it waslike it, like the recognition
and then the oh, and then it waslike boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Like all these people , I was like wait, my mom, his
mom, sister, pappy grammy, oh,like yeah, and you cried and it
was so adorable.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
That moment was adorable.
I wish I had videotaped that.
Yeah, because that realizationwas so cute.
And then, like as soon aseverybody hugged and calmed down
, you're like what, where'sDaisy?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Well, because to me Daisy was staying with Jake's
mom and clearly Jake's mom wasin New York and then normally
our backup for Jake's mom isMarissa.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And Marissa was also there.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
And I was like where's my dog?
Which?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
was a lot of effort for marissa, because she was
only there for that, and thenshe had to leave she had her
suitcase.
We're dragging her suitcasethrough new york yeah that was,
that was your poor jake's cousinwas dragging her suitcase
through new york.
And then we, and then we walkedlike we ate, and then we went
and like go see the tree inrockefeller center, and we were
(46:49):
like a train, a family train,like walking down the streets in
new york.
That was so funny jonathan, likehas grammy yeah like yeah, and
it was just like a train ofpeople and then, yeah, that was
just I don't know.
I remember thinking this is sosurreal, like that's what.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I remember thinking, yeah and um, yeah, it was what a
beautiful experience yeah, itwas all so like perfectly
planned out, which does notsurprise me, because no, because
jake is a good planner, yeah,and he pays really close
attention to details.
Yes, which is yeah, which iskey, yeah he was like after that
(47:25):
, poor guy, he was so tired whenwe got home he was like I need
a freaking break.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He didn't even give his normal christmas list, so it
was like really hard to knowwhat to get him for christmas
this year for the first timeever, yeah, and so um but I did.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
I said I mean I just got wrong on sizes, but I have,
I actually guessed a lot of thethings that he wanted he ended
up putting them on his listafter I got some of the things
and I was like, all right, well,nobody else get this because I
already purchased it.
But um, yeah, he was like.
He was like it was so weirdlike not telling you stuff for
(48:00):
so long yeah, because it's justlike not how, because that's
emotionally exhausting, yeahbecause it's effort to not tell
each other something becauseit's our, in our normal routine,
like it's like what'd you dotoday, like very good
communication, yeahso, uh, he, and then there would
be some days like where he.
There was one day when hebooked um, the the.
So the photography group deconiis like the name of, like the
(48:23):
group, but um jay deconi.
Um, she's like the mainphotographer um, but randy and
um kyle were those were the twopeople that we met in new york.
But, um, when he booked jay forthe engagement shoot, which,
like, obviously I didn't knowwho he had booked, but he came
home and he was like I justfound out something really
(48:44):
exciting and I cannot tell youwhat it is or anything about it,
but I need you to like jumparound and scream and be excited
with me and I was like okayyeah, and so he like grabbed me,
he's like, and I was like, yeah, like, and I have no idea what
we're celebrating and later he'slike.
(49:05):
That was when, like, I got backwith Jay and she was like, yeah,
like, we did it, and then nannyhad said, like she would help
and he booked it, and so yeahthat's awesome.
He was like so excited aboutthat, and so I love that.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I love that there's so much trust that you didn't
like force him to tell you whatit was.
Yeah, like that, you're justthat you could be happy.
Excited for him because he washappy and excited.
Yeah, that's so cute and yeah,what a, what a, what a great
story.
I think we'll stop here becausethis is a long one, and then we
will um have another episodewhere we hear about some wedding
(49:40):
plans.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah okay, yeah, so that's the story, the end.
Well, not the end, thebeginning, the beginning.
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Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
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Welcome back.
Welcome back to Mind your Heart.
It's been a while.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
It has been a while.
Yeah, we did not hold up ourpromise.
Mind your Heart Mondays, butthat's okay, that's not true.
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We held up our promise.
We just didn't.
We aren't going to be, wehaven't like, posted as much.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah.
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Which that doesn't mean that we didn't hold up our
promise.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We still posted on some Mondays and now we just
took a break.
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Yeah, we're allowed to take a break too, yep.
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Okay, yeah.
And we're and moving forward.
We're going to do it everyother week.
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We're going to do it just a little bit.
Just a little bit less quantityfor better quality, yeah.
You don't agree with it, but Ialso I need time to be able to
like, do all the social mediastuff and I want it to be fun.
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Yeah so.
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I want to be able to take time and not have to feel
rushed.
I really don't want to rushthis year.
Yeah, like I would like to slowdown, okay, so yeah, yeah well,
all right.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Um, so it will be every other week.
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Um, you just have to follow so you know when we're
posting yeah, yeah, and we'll bebetter about putting stuff on
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If that exists, who knows?
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you will yeah and follow andshare other people find it, and
then we would do more.
Yeah, how about that?
Speaker 1 (02:31):
all right.
Well, I don't know when that'llbe, but not yet.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Okay, we just haven't even started posting every
other week all right, we'll justtake it as it is, and everyone
can do that for themselves for2025.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So happy new year, happy new year.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Well, this is an exciting episode because we have
some catching up to do.
We have some big, big thingsthat have occurred in 2024 that
we have to share about, and Imust have lacked communication
because I also wanted to includemy future son-in-law, so, um,
(03:10):
but we didn't.
So it's Emily's here today,just me, just Emily, to talk
about her big news.
Speaker 1 (03:20):
Well, emily, what is your big news?
Well, I mean, you mean youalready said it, but I'm engaged
, jake and I are engaged.
So if you're watching, then youcan see.
Yes.
Also if you're not watching,you can follow on Instagram.
I have posted plenty of ringpics and some of the pictures
(03:42):
that we already got back fromthe actual engagement.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
All right, so let's talk about.
Let's talk about the engagement, because that's what this
episode is about.
Um, emily's engaged and thishas been.
You guys have been together forfive and a half years, right?
Yep, yeah, five and a halfyears, and you met at camp, at a
camp, together yeah, we met in2018 um but we didn't talk that
(04:09):
summer like it wasn't.
Speaker 1 (04:10):
We didn't really know each other in 2018, but like we
knew of each other.
And then, like during the yearof like the rest of 2018, um,
jake started like commenting onlike my Instagram page and I
honestly thought it was a joke.
Like I thought a joke.
(04:33):
Yeah well, jake was and alwayshas been like one of like the
cooler people, like he was inlike the more popular like
groups and that was just.
I just never was in like themore popular like groups and
that was just.
I just never was like part ofthat and like I wouldn't
consider myself like popularwhen I was younger or I don't
(04:53):
think I'd ever say that that'sall right okay.
Um, and so when he startedcommenting on my Instagram, he
was like he would say sup, likethat was the thing, um, and I
was like what is happening, likeright now?
Like I just thought like maybethis is like a like a carrie
(05:14):
situation, where it's likethey're just he's saying this to
like rope me in and then belike ha ha, ha, gotcha.
Um, I don't know, like that'sjust what I thought.
What's a carrie situation?
Like the movie carrie?
like we're like a scary horrormovie well, yeah, but the
premise of that movie is that,like she gets voted to be like
(05:36):
prom queen- yeah, and then theypour the blood on her yeah, yeah
, but it's like to make fun ofher basically.
Oh well, that's sad.
You thought that kind of I waslike, just because I was like I
don't think, like he's nevershown any interest in me before
but that's such a such adiabolical thing to do well, I
didn't think he was gonna pourblood on me, but I didn't think
(05:59):
that he.
I thought he was like not, Ithought it was like kind of a
prank.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Okay so jake has like I.
I mean, I don't know, it wasn'tat camp, but I um yeah, I
before.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Before I actually knew jake and who he was, he
outwardly looked like a veryegotistical person and I I'm
shocked he also, like this, istaking a turn.
I did not expect it was muchdifferent and he would agree
with me.
I think that he um was a lotdifferent before we started
(06:35):
dating and also, like, was apart of this like well, like he
has a friend group and they'relike kind of like have named
themselves this like fraternity,sorority thing, and like that
was just like more of like alittle bit of a click um, which,
like they would probably notlove that.
I said that but yeah, well,well, when you name yourself as
(06:57):
a, yeah, but you know okay, I'mtaking offense to that too,
because we did that.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
I did that in high school.
We called ourselves the fastcook of cans and yeah so, and
you were a popular group of kids.
Yeah but we weren't egotisticalor mean to others.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, no, I'm not saying that they were
egotistical or mean to others,but like when you kind of
exclude other people, then Iguess that is a good way of
looking at it.
Speaker 2 (07:25):
Um, outwardly, that's what it looks like but I mean,
like currently you have aspecial group of women friends
and you guys call yourself aname, uh, not really.
Speaker 1 (07:39):
We don't call ourselves a name.
I thought we have a shared loveof taylor swift yeah, I thought
it was like the swifties orwhatever.
Speaker 2 (07:46):
Well, that's the fandom name, yeah, but I mean, I
don't know how's that differentbecause that's a worldwide name
of a fandom.
Speaker 1 (07:54):
We didn't name that yeah, but it doesn't seem
somewhat the same I mean, I, Iguess, but also like we're no,
because it's a different concept.
Okay, but yeah all right.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
So he seemed like yeah, he seemed like he would be
playing a prank on but alsolike this group of people, like
I love them like yeah, they're.
I'm not like yeah, the guysabout them, yeah, like they're
young and they were in college,yeah, and I was also young, yeah
, and like I didn't know anybetter.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
Also like I was 18, right, yeah, well, it was 18, 18
summer of 2018, um.
And then I turned 19 and that'swhen we really started like
actually talking.
Like he started texting me,well, because he commented his
phone number on my page and Iwas like what?
Like I felt so shocked becauseI was like he commented my page
(08:53):
is public and always has beenpublic, so he put his phone
number out there yeah, so I'mlike you're putting your real
phone number like on theinternet, um so we started with
the smooth sup now I get the supreference.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
I've seen it for so many years and I've always been
like what is that?
Speaker 1 (09:08):
yeah, because it was like that was the thing he
commented and or he would likedo little.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
See, this is where I need him I need him here because
I need to know was like, wherewas that coming from?
Was he like a little shy?
And so it was just kind of likebecause that's how I see him,
egotistical and whatever it ishe, he just like also was is
very confident in like himself.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
So, like at the time, like I was not confident in
myself.
So to me, like that lookeddifferent than like how I can
view it now in a healthy aspect.
Yeah, because, like the waythat I viewed all of this was
not how it was, like myperspective was from an
unhealthy point of view, fromunhealthy experiences.
So like even like me talkingabout his friend group, like
(09:57):
having a name and like beingthis, like like I'm like that, I
looked at that in an unhealthyway.
So like my perspective, I'm notsaying that in an unhealthy way
.
So like my perspective, I'm notsaying that they are a toxic
clicky group.
They're all wonderful peoplewho I love.
They'll all be, invited to ourwedding?
Yeah, but, um, at the time, myunhealthy view of popularity and
(10:19):
friendships well, you have beenvery burned and hurt in that
way.
Yeah, and also like campculture is like a completely
different world, yeah, like itjust is something that you can't
explain no, I, I, I've been in.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I've been to camp, yeah, and it was a church camp
and it was like two of myfavorite summers of my life yeah
, it's wonderful, but it's sodifferent.
Speaker 1 (10:41):
It's a whole nother world.
You're in a bubble.
Yeah, it's very inclusive.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
So yeah, and loving and kind, and it doesn't matter
what your social status is.
Yeah, you're all included andit's fun.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
And but when you come from, not that it's very
confusing and then you.
It's almost like like I wasprobably like excluding myself
to a degree of being like, ohwell, I'm not worthy to be in
this or that yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
So, like all of these things that I felt like are not
true about these people, likethey were what I was making true
because of how I felt aboutmyself yeah um, that's probably
why that I felt a littledefensive when you first said
that, because um, I wasn'texplaining it very well, yeah
(11:24):
well also, I I realized likewhere the triggering was,
because it it's like assumingthat everyone that was in, like
the popular or cool group orwhatever it was like a jerk yeah
and um, I worked really hard tobe nice to everyone yeah so I
guess I immediately feltdefensive of that because I'm
like wait a minute, that's nottrue.
(11:44):
Like I had friends that weren'tand I didn't hang out with but
that I was like really kind andnice to, and you know, I don't
know.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
But I understand.
But also when you're teenagers,there's always some kind of
whatever.
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
And as I have grown and been in different circles in
the world and have felt leftout before like I, have
experienced those feelings.
It is hurtful.
It's a hurtful feeling and Ithink when it happens to you as
a teenager, as an adult I'm like, eh, whatever, but as a
teenager it's like when you'reforming it's a formation of your
person, because you're alsolearning how to communicate.
(12:21):
Yeah, it's a much harderexperience and, honestly, your
generation this is somethingelse to consider With the whole
social media, I would have diedif this was my reality as a
teenager.
I would not have survived, andI'm not saying that dramatically
Like I actually really wouldhave been concerned for my
teenage self, my mental health,having lived through what you
(12:45):
guys have lived through.
Yeah, I, I mean, I've jokedbefore to people in my
generation about how there's,there's, no, there's no way.
I just wouldn't have survivedknowing that people were doing
this without me or doing that.
That would have been so hurtful, like things that that are
minor but feel so major becauseof social media.
Yeah, this is a whole nothersubject that we could do a
(13:07):
podcast episode on.
Yeah, so let's get back to thepoint, yeah, but okay, so you,
so you weren't expecting the.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
The bottom line is you weren't expecting this from
jake, so it's like slowly easingin, and I also like 2018 was
like caught up on another person.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
Yeah, so like.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
Jake and I, because we didn't know each other, like
we didn't talk.
And so then 2019, summer of2019, we had been talking but he
had initially like ended ustalking Because I had told him
in the beginning.
I was like I'm not playinggames, like I, if I was gonna
date someone, like I was 19 andI had never had a boyfriend.
(13:48):
So I was like, if we're gonnadate, like it's serious to me
yeah so I'm like don't mess withmy heart.
Basically like, if you're at anypoint, if you're not feeling it
like, just tell me and that'sokay, like I'll.
If I'm sad, I'm sad, but likeyou do you and so and this was
at a point where his parentswere like in the thick of
(14:09):
getting a divorce, so there wasa lot of things that he was
emotionally dealing with, um,and he was like I just can't
give you the attention right nowand I was like okay, and then
and you were doing your ownhealing from your own family
divorce.
Yeah, so yeah, and then we went,we showed up at camp and we
started like talking in personand it was just like easy.
(14:33):
We like the first time we everlike really had a full
conversation, I think we talkedfor like a couple of hours, like
we just walked in a circle atnight at camp and just like
talked about like not surfacelevel stuff, like we talked
about our family trauma.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
Like we talked about like that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (14:51):
And it was like we have so many similarities in
things that we've experiencedthat it was like refreshing and
like just instantly comfortable.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
And after that we just kept hanging out Like we
just were around each other allthe time and and I also at this
point I thought I was moving toNew York.
This was when I was like I hada roommate lined up, I knew
where I was going to live.
I was going to be a barista ata coffee place until I could
(15:25):
find a job.
I was moving to New York atthis point and I had told him I
don't know how to do longdistance like that seems like a
lot, especially for a firstboyfriend yeah, yeah.
And he initially he was likewell, what if we were dating,
(15:45):
like, would that make you feellike better about it, or
whatever, because at this pointwe weren't officially like
boyfriend and girlfriend.
This is after camp.
No, this was during camp.
Okay, he asks me this and thiswas apparently his way of asking
me to be his girlfriend.
That I didn't understand and I'mlike I mean, I guess that would
help, but like I don't know,like, and then the next day he
(16:09):
was like you never reallyanswered my question.
I was like, what question?
And he's like will you be mygirlfriend?
And I was like, oh yeah, like,of course.
Speaker 2 (16:19):
But I didn't know that.
That's what he was asking me,that go to sleep thinking oh, I
don't know well it well, becausehe it wasn't like.
Speaker 1 (16:25):
He said will you be my girlfriend?
It was like we were talkingabout something.
He was like well, would it help, would it reassure you if we
were dating?
And that doesn't to me, doesnot seem like asking me to be
his girlfriend.
Yeah so um, but he would claimsomething different so um, yeah,
and then from then on, like wewere always together in love
(16:49):
yeah, I know, I fell in lovewith him very fast yeah, you did
, you fell in love with him veryfast.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
I remember which is easy in camp because you're
together.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
You basically live together for the first beginning
part of your relationship.
So like you skip a lot of thelike awkward stage.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
It's like an intensified experience, like a
it's like the bachelor.
Yeah, a sped up, yeah, umexperience, yeah yeah, and then
when you guys came back, did hego back to college, like I don't
, so he was getting hisassociates at HTC.
Okay.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
So he was doing like online stuff and he only had
like a couple in-person classes,but they were in Tampa, okay,
and we didn't know that, like helived in Brandon and I lived in
Parrish, so we were only like40 minutes away from each other
and like had always been.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
And like most of that's unusual, like for, like,
camp yeah, because usuallythey're all over the place, yeah
.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
So it was like wait a minute, like we're actually
like within driving distance ofeach other, like this will be
not as hard as we think that itwill be.
So yeah, and then like, andthen basically he stayed with
you and I, yeah, like, and Iwould stay sometimes over at his
dad's house, but it was yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
He kind of moved in.
Yeah, he moved in like after alittle bit like going back and
forth.
It was a good, it was goodtiming for him to to do that
anyway, because of everythingthat was going on at home for
him.
Yeah, so um it was.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
I feel like it was good, like nothing about that.
I mean like towards the end itwas definitely like we were all
crowded oh yeah, but we werecrowded it was also like I don't
ever feel like it was like abad situation, like no, no no, I
don't mean like yeah no, no no,I know chaos going on at his
house.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
I don't.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Yeah, I think it was like I just think of the end of
a marriage.
Speaker 2 (18:38):
It's hard for everyone.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
Yeah for sure, and it he was in the house that like
he had grown up in with hisparents.
So um it was.
It was just like the timing washow it was supposed to be yeah
so yeah, that's how we met andstarted dating, but yeah, okay,
so fast forward.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
So we, we, you go through, you live together and
you move in together and like inyour first apartment yeah, and
then you move 2021, 2021.
And then you move here and then, um, you're just going along
with life and then you'rewondering when, when, when is
Jake?
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Well, so I'm going to propose, but I did know we had
talked about it.
I don't mean just you.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
I was also wondering the same thing I had to calm
myself down.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Yeah, yes, more than once.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
I did, though I did calm down.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Yeah, after a couple of conversations, yeah, of I did
calm down.
Yeah, after a couple ofconversations, yeah, of
uncalmness.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, I was worried.
I was like, oh goodness, she'sgoing to get her heart broken
and I was scared.
Speaker 1 (19:42):
I was never worried about that.
Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, and when you finally like I finally got the
message, I was like, okay, she'snot worried about this.
I trust you and your feelings,yeah okay, she's not worried
about this.
I trust you and your feelings,yeah, and I'm gonna.
That is interesting to knowthough, because at the time I
was like why is she like?
I wasn't trying to rush you, Ihad.
No, that was not.
It was very confusing because Idon't think you even knew.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
It was because you were afraid I was gonna get hurt
no, I knew.
Speaker 2 (20:07):
Oh really, yeah, I just I wasn't you didn't say
that I was.
Speaker 1 (20:10):
I know I didn't vocalize it, but I mean, I would
have been able to tell you likethat's not, yeah, the case.
Also, if I did, then I did.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
As soon as you did tell me that though as soon as I
heard it, understood it I, likeI said, I trusted you, so I
didn't know, maybe I didn'trealize that I was scared for
your heart.
Like I was so scared for yourheart and I'm like but that's
(20:39):
part of life I can't protect youfrom everything anyway, and if
you're supposed to go throughheartbreak, then I'll just be
here if you are, and if not,then I'll be here too.
Speaker 1 (20:49):
So when I finally got that message but you're right-
it did take me a little whilebecause, again, because I was
scared and like me and myresponses and fear, but also
like the worst, you also loveJake.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
I love Jake so like it would have not only been
heartbreak for me, like it wouldhave been heartbreak for our
whole family like becauseeverybody loves him yeah, so
it's not like it would have justbeen like the greatest.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Yeah, so it would have been hard for everyone if
that did happen For sure.
Speaker 2 (21:17):
And also you're right , and I get very attached, and
when I get attached I have areally hard time letting go,
which is can be suffocatingsometimes to people, or at least
it seems as if it has been inthe past.
But, yeah, so I, it seems as ifit has been in the past.
But, um, yeah, so I didn't wantto imagine that makes me upset.
(21:37):
I didn't want to imagine himnot being there like he feels,
has felt like family for so long.
Yeah, I mean he honestly is.
I mean I told him this.
Okay, so let's back up.
So before you guys got engaged,he, he came like I found out
that he was going to ask you andI did not tell you, even though
(21:57):
everyone thought I would andeven he didn't know that.
I knew, I knew for a long timeand I was like he didn't know
that you knew no, he didn't knowthat.
I knew he didn't.
This is before he came to me hedidn't know that.
I knew, um, and when he askedto come meet me, meet with me, I
was like this, is it he's gonna, he's gonna talk about it.
Because I was like why hasn'the asked to come meet with me?
I was like this, is it, he'sgoing to talk about it?
Because I was like why hasn'the come to me?
(22:17):
He hasn't come, he hasn't.
Why do other people know and Idon't know?
And at first I was upset.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
Who are the other?
Speaker 2 (22:23):
people Just like Nanny and Steve, nanny and Steve
and at first I was upset, I wasupset and then I was like, well
, that's ridiculous, I'm like itdoesn't matter, it's a, it is
whatever it needs to be, it'llbe.
And also, neither one of themtrust me to keep the secret
because I told you, because Ihonestly was like he hasn't come
to me, I can say that and I go.
This has also given me theopportunity to tell the truth.
(22:44):
Yeah like I and I could promise.
I promised you he hasn't cometo me.
Yeah, and even though I knew hewas gonna ask me, I was like
and I go.
And she is going to think thatI wouldn't be able to keep a
secret, but I can keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, because sometimes you can't.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
With you.
I guess it is harder.
I can keep a secret.
Speaker 1 (23:06):
Because I feel like every Christmas somehow I know
you tell me what you're gettingme at some point.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
I don't like to keep things from you.
I know, but when they'renecessary to keep from you I can
.
So now you know, yeah, soanyway.
So when he was coming to talkto me, I was I'm like I'm going
to write him a letter Because Iwant him to know how much he
means to me and how excited I amabout this.
Oh means to me and how excitedI am about this, oh and um.
(23:40):
And so then he came and I swearwe were like two fumbling
imbeciles like we were both likeso nervous, yeah, and um kind
of shaky.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
I watched the video you did, oh yeah and so I
haven't seen the video it'sfunny because it's like you're
neither of.
You are uncomfortable in frontof each other ever, ever yeah,
but in that video.
I'm like did you just meet?
Yeah, it seems like it doesn'tit.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
I'm not surprised, because at one point he's like
I'm like I'm in my workoutclothes and he's like you want
to change?
And I kind of hesitate and I'mlike, do I want to change?
And then I'm like, no, we justneed to get this on.
Yeah, go over this, over with,because I can't take it anymore.
I'm like bursting.
I felt like I was bursting andthen so he said, I told well,
(24:22):
one thing I said to him was thatand I remember this vividly
like praying over you as a babyand asking God, because I really
felt like and it makes me sosad that it didn't end up being
that way but I was like I reallywant to give this baby, like I
want her to see love, I want herto see what love is and I want
(24:44):
to give her an example of purelove.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
and, um, because I, I loved your dad, yeah, and so I
was like I I really want, andthen I like gave you the
opposite, but I, but I did praythat's not fair to say, because
you didn't give me the opposite,like just because, like there
were things that were unhealthyand whatever, like doesn't mean
(25:08):
that like like you loved hard,like that was never like a
question to me, so like I don'tthink that that's not something
that you gave me, like you likealso showed unconditional love
to everyone around you, even todad, when he would sometimes
(25:29):
didn't deserve it, which is whatunconditional love would be.
So I don't think I don't thinkyou're giving yourself enough
credit for that, okay.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Well, I did pray for you that you would that the
person that God put in your life, that they would be, you know,
a man that adored you andrespected you and boosted you up
and supported you, and that youloved and that you were friends
and that you, that that eachother were the most important
(26:01):
and, um, and I prayed for thiskind of love kind of one.
But I didn't know.
And, and jake, and there's Jake, yeah, and God, and God gave us
Jake.
And so it felt like I remembertelling my brother and he, and
he's like he's like, how do youfeel?
(26:22):
I'm like I couldn't have pickeda better person for her.
I couldn't have.
Like, if I had searched far andwide, I couldn't have picked a
better person.
And so he just felt like such agift, he feels like such a gift
.
So when he told I don't evenremember what he said to me, I
need to watch the video becauseI couldn't remember All I could
(26:43):
think of was I'm so happy forthem and that what a beautiful
gift that you two are.
And I just couldn't even hear,barely hear him.
I just remember him sayingabout you being his best friend
and how much he loved you andadored you and all these
wonderful things about you, andI was like this is, this, is so
(27:03):
exciting.
And then he asked for myblessing and I gave it to him.
And then I read him a two-pageletter, poor jake and um well,
you both read something to eachother yeah he read something to
me, I read something to him and,um, we like hugged and we were
so excited.
And then it was like excitement,like it was like yeah I want to
(27:26):
see the ring.
You want to um know this one ofthat it was like, like secret
little texts and then it wasjust so, and then even in the
airport.
So we go to new york, we'regoing to new york and that's
where he's going to ask her innew york and he's gonna.
He tells us about your, hisplan, about how he's gonna um
take you to central park in themorning, and we're like what,
(27:48):
she's not gonna get up at seveno'clock in the morning,
everybody like had zero faith inme, which, honestly, I was like
okay, guys, like I have wokenup early in my lifetime.
Multiple times I used to have ajob it's not a regular thing you
enjoy, so I don't enjoy it I donot like waking up early, but I
have done it and I still do it.
(28:08):
You're capable of getting up,but we didn't give you enough
credit.
You're right.
So we thought you were going tobe grouchy about it because you
it was a day off, it was like abreak.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
He literally told me about this.
Like that we were waking upearly, like before we even went
on the trip and he was like isthat going to be okay?
And I was like, yeah, yeah,okay, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
That was my initial response he's going to take you
on a care.
He told you he's going to takeyou on a carriage ride, which I
have to.
When we get to that part, Ihave to tell, because that's
hilarious and um and and thatyou guys were gonna have like a
day by yourself, which is whatkind of you only had like a
little while by yourself, andthen it was a mob of family.
But um, but when you were in thebathroom, when we were in the
(28:47):
airport, he's like, do you wantto see the ring?
And he pulls out the ring andand like I'm getting on the
floor, I'm like kneeling on theground and we're like looking at
the ring and I'm thinking, ifshe comes back, like what are we
gonna do?
Speaker 1 (28:56):
and it was so.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
It was so like we all were so excited, like the
excitement on the way.
There is something I will neverforget because it was like the
anticipation.
And then I was just watchingthe two of you and also jake
this is supposed to be me askingyou about the engagement and I
know I'm sharing my experience.
Okay, um because I it's likejake grew up before my eyes on
(29:24):
that trip.
Like I already thought he wasjust wonderful, but I think I
thought of him more as like youguys, as like adults.
But we were boyfriend andgirlfriend yeah, boyfriend and
girlfriend.
And then I just watched himlike take charge and lead the
way and manipulate the subwayand get us where we needed to be
(29:46):
and make sure we're OK, both ofus, like obviously you was not
a question, but he was even thatway to me, which I felt, which
has always been so great abouthim, because he has never made
me, he's never made me feel shutout.
Yeah, he's embraced me, me as afamily member too.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:09):
And that's really special.
Yeah, and I told his mom I'mlike what a great man he is,
yeah, and she's like I knew hewas going to be a good boyfriend
and she was so cute about herbaby son and it was like, oh, I
think that is so cool.
Yeah, and he is such a good,he's such a good man.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
I can't wait to see him be a dad.
Oh, me too, I like I'm gonnamelt into a puddle all right.
Speaker 2 (30:40):
So that's my experience.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Let's hear about yours um, well, I had, like we
had talked about the fact thatwe were going to be engaged in
2024, so, like that was not asurprise, um, but I had no idea
that it was going to happen.
When we were in new york, um,jake had like elaborately
(31:03):
planned out multiple lies totell me, so that way it would
like steer me off the path.
Um, like he had told me.
He was like, so, afterChristmas, like we're gonna go
like on this like little, likehalf anniversary trip, because
when we first started dating, wedid we celebrated every six
months, excuse me.
(31:25):
And um, um, and on December 26th2019, he gave me a promise ring
.
And so I'm like, oh, like he'sdefinitely that's going to be a
full circle moment, like it's,he's going to do it then.
And then he was like we'regoing to go to Georgia and that
was our first road trip.
(31:45):
And I was like, okay, like he'sprobably going to take me, me,
to providence canyon, which iswhere we first went.
Like I'm like in my head, likethat's definitely it.
Um, and so, like he had forsure steered me that way and the
whole point of the trip, um,for new york, was to see the
rockets.
At least that's what I thought.
(32:05):
Yeah and um, which we still diddo that.
That was not a lie so yeah, thatwas all true yeah, that was
true, um, but then, yeah, andthen he was like we're gonna go
on a carriage ride in centralpark and I was like, oh, that's
gonna be so fun.
And the night before, and sowe're in new york and it's cold
like it's very cold um, and theday of the actual engagement,
(32:28):
like it was like the feel likewas like in the teens, so, um,
and it was like I think in the20s or something.
Um, and so the night before Iknew it was going to be cold and
I was like maybe I'll just likewear sweatpants and a
sweatshirt.
And he was like no, and I waslike what do you mean?
No, like I'm like I want to becomfortable, like we're gonna be
(32:51):
sitting like a blanket will becovering most of my body like,
and he was like.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I don't think you should wear that, and he never.
This is not how he ever acts.
No, this is not the kind of manhe is.
Speaker 1 (33:03):
No, and so I was like what?
I was like what do you mean?
Was like well, that's notreally a fit.
And I was like, excuse me, Iwas like what do you mean?
It's not a fit.
I wear this on the regular.
Are you saying that I just looklike a slob when I wear
sweatpants and a sweatshirt?
And in my head I'm like youwear that all the time, like
(33:24):
you're calling yourself unstyled.
And so I was like gettingirritated and he was like well,
no, no, like when we werepacking, like you showed me a
specific outfit and so I likematched that vibe and I was like
, oh, okay, and then it wasrecovered yeah, he was, and
thank goodness that was fastthinking yeah, yeah, and um,
(33:44):
which is true, which is true, Idid show him an outfit that I
was going to wear, and so, butinitially I was like that was so
strange.
And then that night too I don'tremember what it was but he had
like lied about something verysmall, like it was like the
smallest thing, and I was likewhy did you just lie to me?
(34:07):
That was so like weird.
Like you don't, we don't dothis.
Like you don't we tell eachother everything?
Like yeah, we don't lie.
Like what is this?
And we like I like basicallylike therapized him.
I'm like why do you think thatthis is happening?
Like we like actually had aconversation about it and um,
because I was like bothered,like I'm like why are you?
(34:27):
Because it so a differentsituation had come up previously
, that he had like also like nottold me the truth about
something, and I was upset.
Later I come to find out thathe's been having to keep all
these things.
So he's had to think on his feetfor months and months.
And so like his brain has beengetting used to like, not like
(34:47):
having to not tell the truthabout some things.
So it made sense.
But I I could tell in thatmoment he was like I don't know
what to say here like yeah yeah,because it was like why did I
lie?
like it's just become a habitbecause, I've had to not tell
you things for so long um, andthen the next morning, like we
(35:09):
get up and our hotel room wasvery small, like it was like a
bed and a bathroom and like thatwas really it.
And so Jake had told me laterhe was like you kept like I
didn't really want to put on awhole lot of makeup, like I was
like I'm going to get, like itwas early, we had to wake up
early, so I was like I'm'm justgonna do minimal, like getting
(35:38):
ready or whatever.
And he, he kept being like areyou gonna like go in the
bathroom?
And I was like uh, I guess likeyeah, and later he told me he
was like I just needed to putthe ring box like in my coat,
but like our room was there wasno place to do that without me
seeing unless I was in thebathroom with the door closed.
Yeah, um, and so he kept askingme like are you gonna like do
(35:59):
your hair?
And I'm like what, like?
What are you saying to me rightnow?
Like this is so weird.
But in my head, like I wasn'treally thinking anything of it,
I was just kind of like he'sdistracted about something yeah
I was just like do to dowhatever, um.
And and then he was like, well,let's take a picture before we
(36:23):
walk out, and I was like, okay,and normally he's not, yeah,
like he doesn't do that, um.
But again I found out that wasbecause he was sending it to the
photographers so that they knewwhat we were wearing, yeah.
And like the whole ride overbecause we took a lift to
Central Park.
It was a very quiet car rideBecause poor Jake, like he was,
(36:44):
like I was dying, Like.
I felt like it was like right,like it was so close, but get so
far yeah, and because theanticipation he had this plan
and he had it all planned out.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Yeah, so elaborately, yeah he was gonna have a
photographer there avideographer yep, and he had
this whole thing planned outspecifically in central park,
specifically at this time,because it's not busy.
Yeah, in central park at 7 30in the morning yeah and and so,
like the night before, he wasafraid that someone was gonna
slip because everybody like we.
(37:17):
We that's when we went and haddo we have ice cream?
No, it was like that ice creamshop.
What did we?
Speaker 1 (37:22):
have cheesecake.
Speaker 2 (37:23):
Oh, cheesecake, yeah yeah, yeah and um, a little cafe
and everyone felt sentimental.
No one wanted you guys to leave.
We were all like watching, yeah, and you like hugged me really
long yeah Before Because.
I'm like she's going to beengaged, when I see her again.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
And.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Nanny almost blurts, like was, and Steve Like these
their eyes were welling up.
And Jake's like we got to getout of here.
So it was so, but I had no idea.
You had no idea and we and likewatching you guys.
Knowing that that was comingwas just.
It was such a cool experienceit was like being able to, it
was like being out like on afishbowl, like yeah, like
(37:56):
watching yeah, and when we went,skating in central park.
I I just like just watching thetwo of you and it was so, so
beautiful.
It's just so sweet and so pure.
And and I also got toexperience that when you guys
did live with me yeah, there wasa time where I was like I feel
like I'm invading their space,like I tried to make a second
(38:19):
living room in Jackson's room,and then Jackson thankfully came
back and I was like, well, Ithink the time's up yeah, yeah
it's too crowded and um and so,but it was, it's been a
beautiful thing to watch and so,knowing that was coming, I
think he's probably just readyto explode.
Yeah, no wonder he didn't talk.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
So you get there but I didn't think anything of that
because I'm like I don't like totalk in the morning yeah so I
was like, oh, he's just givingme like white time in this, like
lift ride, and so you get acentral park.
We get there and we're walkingthe funniest part we're walking
to and in my head this wholetime like we're gonna go on a
carriage ride yeah, um, and sohe's like guiding me, but he
(38:59):
keeps walking like in front ofme and I'm like what are you
doing?
like why are you not walkingnext to me?
And um, and he's like, oh sorry, but it's like because he had
miked himself up so that way wecould listen back to what he
said.
So like he's like I can't pullout my phone like in front of
you, but he also had to likepull up the maps to see where we
(39:22):
were going to, the specificlocation, and so we get it's
Bethesda Fountain and Terrace iswhat it was called.
And so like you walk down a fewsteps and there's like a lake,
and then like behind it it'slike this, like there's a bridge
, but like under the bridgethere's like these arches and
(39:44):
stuff, and we walk down and thelake is like completely frozen
over and like this is somethingI have not seen.
Like I'm Florida born andraised, so like I was like, oh
my God, yeah the lake.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Look at the lake it's frozen.
Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, look at solid ice Like.
I was like we need to throwsomething on it.
And he was like okay, but Ijust thought it was so cool, so
I was like whatever.
And then we're like walkingaround.
I was like I don't think acarriage is gonna come down
these steps you you, you did,you were, you were still like.
Well, he said so well, and thenwe walked over and I was like,
(40:23):
baby, I don't think we're in theright place.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
And he was like well, let's just keep walking the
first time you took one stepdown is when you should have
been like there's no way.
Speaker 1 (40:34):
I thought we were walking through like I was like
I don't know where we're goingyeah um and and then, because
then he stopped walking.
And then I was like I think youshould call yeah, and he was
like no, and I was like yeah,yeah, you should call.
Like clearly I don't see anycarriage around here he also
described that the carriage wasgoing to be like with two horses
(40:57):
and like be this like big,whatever thing which like zero
carriages in new york had twohorses like so it was like he
had made up this thing thatreally did not exist that's the
princess.
And then he kind of like movesme over to like the center of
like this circle that's on theground and like grabs like both
(41:20):
my hands, and he was like so youknow, I love you and you're my
best friend.
And I was like, oh my God, ohmy God, like this is happening
like right now.
Like, oh my god, oh my god,like this is happening like
right now, like, and I like itwas like it instantly.
I was like holy shit, like andum, I don't remember what he
said after that, but I like Iwas just like shaking and then
(41:43):
he proposed and I was like yes,yes, yes, and I feel like I was
like crying without tears comingout Because, like it was like
all these emotions like at once.
And then, like I realized thatthe only other two humans that
were in that area were aphotographer and videographer.
And then they introducedthemselves and they were amazing
(42:08):
and we like walked throughCentral Park and like took
pictures like on the subway, andit was like the pictures are so
beautiful.
Speaker 2 (42:18):
They're so good.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
Yeah, they're so good and we only got like the
selects back, which there waslike 54 of them, which I was
like I thought that would be allof them.
Yeah, but we get all of themback.
The video on valentine's dayvalentine's yeah so, and then
after that I'm like callingeverybody, like all my friends
and and we're all dying, likewe're all texting each other.
Speaker 2 (42:40):
Have you heard anything yet?
No, have you heard anything yetI don't know.
I'm thinking I'm gonna sleep inbecause I'm like I knew what we
were meeting you for lunch,yeah, and which you didn't know
which I didn't't know.
Yeah, and then and that Carriewas coming and Jake's sister and
Jake's grandma and grandpa likehis family was coming, so that
was very exciting and Carrie andI had been texting like like a
(43:00):
few weeks before that.
And she's like our baby'sgetting or getting married.
And I'm like Carrie because wehad never texted before.
I'm like I don't think this isTony, I'm pretty sure this is
Carrie.
And then we were just soexcited and then um, and then so
we were and I was like I'mgonna sleep in, then I'll see
him at lunch.
And then Steve and Nanny arelike oh no, you need to be ready
, you need to be.
I don't like I need to be ready.
Speaker 1 (43:21):
I, I was gonna sleep in, I have to wake up like and
so then I couldn't be ready.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
Yeah, I didn't have to be ready.
This got me.
It got in my head and Ilistened, and then I was like I
don't know what to do.
I don't know, I don't, I don'tknow what I should do.
Speaker 1 (43:34):
I didn't call anybody like instantly, like we like
yeah, you did pictures and stuff, yeah, yeah because I was also
like okay, like this is also amoment where like, yeah, for
this short amount of time, likeonly the two of us, and then
obviously the photographer andvideographer like, but only the
two of us, and then obviouslythe photographer and
videographer like, but only thetwo of us know, yeah, about this
yeah and like that's nevergonna happen again yeah and so I
(43:56):
was like, because I did say,after he proposed, I was like I
should call my mom and he waslike well, why don't we wait
until we like get on somebody?
and I was like, okay, and then Idid wait and you were the first
person that I called and then,um, I called like my friends and
stuff, and then, like he hadtold me that we were going
(44:17):
somewhere for brunch and I waslike, oh great, but you came to
the hotel first, because weremember you guys came back to
the hotel, and then you and Iwere screaming in the hallway.
Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, and then we went into my room and you were
guys were telling me about itand I was like sobbing yeah and
um, and then you got it was likeso exciting, but I wasn't like
I wasn't sure if you knew whereI was gonna see you at lunch.
And so I'm like sitting thereand I'm like I gotta go and and
I'm like trying not to sayanything, I'm looking at jake
and I'm like what are you guysdoing now?
(44:47):
And you're like, oh, I don'tknow.
And I was like, okay, theydon't know, yeah so then I was
like all right, see you later.
And off I went and I was likehurrying out to the restaurant
and luckily, like he likedistracted you for a little bit,
and then you guys, so we wereall there and nanny had it all
set up it looked so cute yeah,she had these little napkins and
little bags and yeah it wasvery cute.
(45:07):
And then I I met jake's familyand we were all so like, oh,
we're all so excited.
So we're like sitting there andthis beautiful, the room was
beautiful, with that huge,beautiful tree, that was really
pretty, yeah.
And then, um, it had thesestairs.
And then I see you guys, and Ican clearly see you, and I see
jake and I we make eye contactand I'm like, oh no, you are
(45:29):
like do do, do well, because Ihad, because I'm thinking we're
walking into a restaurant, thetwo of us I'm not looking for
anyone, so I'm like not like itliterally came all the way down
the stairs and then I looked andI was like holy shit, there's
everybody's here your face.
It was like it, like therecognition and then the oh,
because then it was like boomboom, boom, boom, boom, boom,
(45:49):
like all these people it waslike it, like the recognition
and then the oh, and then it waslike boom, boom, boom, boom,
boom, boom.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Like all these people , I was like wait, my mom, his
mom, sister, pappy grammy, oh,like yeah, and you cried and it
was so adorable.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
That moment was adorable.
I wish I had videotaped that.
Yeah, because that realizationwas so cute.
And then, like as soon aseverybody hugged and calmed down
, you're like what, where'sDaisy?
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Well, because to me Daisy was staying with Jake's
mom and clearly Jake's mom wasin New York and then normally
our backup for Jake's mom isMarissa.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
And Marissa was also there.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
And I was like where's my dog?
Which?
Speaker 2 (46:28):
was a lot of effort for marissa, because she was
only there for that, and thenshe had to leave she had her
suitcase.
We're dragging her suitcasethrough new york yeah that was,
that was your poor jake's cousinwas dragging her suitcase
through new york.
And then we, and then we walkedlike we ate, and then we went
and like go see the tree inrockefeller center, and we were
(46:49):
like a train, a family train,like walking down the streets in
new york.
That was so funny jonathan, likehas grammy yeah like yeah, and
it was just like a train ofpeople and then, yeah, that was
just I don't know.
I remember thinking this is sosurreal, like that's what.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
I remember thinking, yeah and um, yeah, it was what a
beautiful experience yeah, itwas all so like perfectly
planned out, which does notsurprise me, because no, because
jake is a good planner, yeah,and he pays really close
attention to details.
Yes, which is yeah, which iskey, yeah he was like after that
(47:25):
, poor guy, he was so tired whenwe got home he was like I need
a freaking break.
Speaker 2 (47:31):
He didn't even give his normal christmas list, so it
was like really hard to knowwhat to get him for christmas
this year for the first timeever, yeah, and so um but I did.
Speaker 1 (47:40):
I said I mean I just got wrong on sizes, but I have,
I actually guessed a lot of thethings that he wanted he ended
up putting them on his listafter I got some of the things
and I was like, all right, well,nobody else get this because I
already purchased it.
But um, yeah, he was like.
He was like it was so weirdlike not telling you stuff for
(48:00):
so long yeah, because it's justlike not how, because that's
emotionally exhausting, yeahbecause it's effort to not tell
each other something becauseit's our, in our normal routine,
like it's like what'd you dotoday, like very good
communication, yeahso, uh, he, and then there would
be some days like where he.
There was one day when hebooked um, the the.
So the photography group deconiis like the name of, like the
(48:23):
group, but um jay deconi.
Um, she's like the mainphotographer um, but randy and
um kyle were those were the twopeople that we met in new york.
But, um, when he booked jay forthe engagement shoot, which,
like, obviously I didn't knowwho he had booked, but he came
home and he was like I justfound out something really
(48:44):
exciting and I cannot tell youwhat it is or anything about it,
but I need you to like jumparound and scream and be excited
with me and I was like okayyeah, and so he like grabbed me,
he's like, and I was like, yeah, like, and I have no idea what
we're celebrating and later he'slike.
(49:05):
That was when, like, I got backwith Jay and she was like, yeah,
like, we did it, and then nannyhad said, like she would help
and he booked it, and so yeahthat's awesome.
He was like so excited aboutthat, and so I love that.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
I love that there's so much trust that you didn't
like force him to tell you whatit was.
Yeah, like that, you're justthat you could be happy.
Excited for him because he washappy and excited.
Yeah, that's so cute and yeah,what a, what a, what a great
story.
I think we'll stop here becausethis is a long one, and then we
will um have another episodewhere we hear about some wedding
(49:40):
plans.
Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah okay, yeah, so that's the story, the end.
Well, not the end, thebeginning, the beginning.
Yep, yeah, so we will see youguys in a couple weeks.
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