March 10, 2025 • 42 mins
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Imagine trying to inspire a love of reading in children without the stress of timed tests—Emily has cracked the code with her latest workshop, "For the Love of Reading." Meanwhile, Trina is figuring out the ups and downs of daily live broadcasting for her new YouTube show. We also share personal tidbits like Trina's rare second date, letting you in on our friendship journey and all its whimsical moments. Ever tried dressing up in Christmas outfits just for fun? We have, and those memories are a testament to the bonds that have grown stronger over time.
Friendship isn't always easy, especially as we transition from high school to adulthood. We reflect on how the pandemic has changed our social dynamics and comfort zones, making it tricky to forge new connections, especially when many of us work from home. Despite these challenges, friendships of all types—whether ride-or-die buddies or those friends you only see occasionally—bring a richness to our lives that nothing else can match. We've learned firsthand that it's crucial to step out of our comfort zones, even if it means embracing solitude, to nurture these bonds.
In our quest for meaningful human connections, we've discovered the importance of having a diverse support system. The pressure of expecting one best friend to meet all our emotional needs is something we've learned to move past. Instead, we cherish the different roles our friends play, from virtual interactions to face-to-face connections that foster genuine community. Whether it's a church conference that moves us or a funny moment involving a mix-up with "carnation" and "cardinal," these experiences remind us of the irreplaceable value of human presence in our lives. Join us as we share stories, insights, and laughter, celebrating the friendships that make life truly fulfilling.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, welcome to Mind your Heart Podcast, your
favorite corner of the internetwhere we chat about all things
mental health.
I'm Emily.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
And I'm Trina.
Together, we're like yourreal-life Lorelai and Rory
Gilmore.
Each week, we'll bring you realconversations about the world
of mental health and we willpeel back layers on topics like
anxiety, depression and muchmore.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
We're here to chat with you about the tough stuff,
the everyday stuff andeverything in between.
So grab your emotional supportwater bottle I know we have ours
.
Find your comfiest chair orkeep your eyes on the road and
let's get into it.
Are you ready, mom?
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Absolutely.
Join us as we mind our heartsand hopefully make minding yours
a little easier.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
Welcome back to Mind your Heart.
Welcome back.
I'm Emily, I'm Trina, nice tosee you.
How are you doing?
All right, so today?
Oh, not how you're doing,you're doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm doing good, yeah, all right.
Yeah, I'm doing good, yeah, allright.
Yeah, I'm doing all right.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was like such a high-pitched like I'm doing okay
.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I guess I'm doing all right.
I mean, the things have beenexciting, yeah, with you, so
that's been really fun.
Yeah, I mean I've been workinglike crazy yeah when this comes
out, I'll be about to launch myworkshop for the love of reading
(01:34):
.
Why?
don't you talk about that um, atleast just tell us what it is.
Okay, it's a workshop forparents or caregivers or even
teachers who care deeply abouttheir child's feelings about
reading and they want their kidsto love reading and they know
the value of what that means andthey are trying to figure out
(01:57):
how to help them love it, and soI am offering a workshop.
So I am offering a workshop.
It's like around an hour andwe'll talk about things, you
know, quick tips, things that wecan do, even though we have a
very you know, someone has avery busy schedule making a
reading identity.
We'll also be talking aboutthings that are getting in the
(02:20):
way of kids loving to read,because there's a lot of things
and, yeah, and I'll offer a q aand then they also get like a
comprehensive notes and theyhave I'll be providing, uh, top
recommendations of books per age.
Cool, yeah, that's a littlebonus, and so it's gonna I'm
(02:43):
very excited about it because Ithink it's I think it's gonna
really help parents that arelooking to, you know, help their
child yeah and inspiring a loveof reading has always been a
massive passion of mine.
So yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I'm excited yeah, I haveanother youtube show that I
started.
(03:04):
I started in January with a livechallenge of going live every
day.
That's hard, that's hard.
I think it's okay Mondaythrough Friday, but Saturday and
Sunday are really hard and Iactually picked a super
difficult topic for we'rerecording today, on a Saturday,
and I had a hard topic on thisrecording day that I was like,
(03:27):
oh, I'm way too tired to talkabout the bad thing that comes
when people time reading um andso I was like oh, this is a.
I didn't even know people didthat timed yeah, you never had
to read with a timer so thatthey could count how many words
per minute, or like timedreading tests, that's I mean
(03:50):
that was a problem for you andwith the sats.
That's part of the reason whyit makes me so angry yeah, I
just, I guess I block it outyeah, I mean it is a, because I
just was like why are you timingme?
you probably didn't notice.
Yeah, people, I mean I kept itpretty like on the down low
because I didn't want kids tofeel like I was timing them but,
(04:10):
it was something, a data pointthat we had to take as a teacher
, but parents don't have to dothat.
Yeah and um, and sometimes I'venoticed in the homeschooled
world a lot of people aren'tsure exactly what to do, so they
end up doing some of the thingsthe crappy things that they
didn't want to do in the schoolsystem and um.
So I think it's important to tofind things that align with what
(04:34):
you believe and because you,you know, most people didn't
send their child to the schoolsystem for a reason, yeah, so,
um, and I hate that teachershave to do things like.
I mean, mean, I hated doingthat Because, first of all, it
was like who cares?
And everybody was reallyconcerned about reading, or
fluency, or reading words, howfast you were reading, impacting
(04:55):
your comprehension.
Yeah, and they're like, if youcan't read fast, you're not
comprehending.
Well, that's ridiculous.
Yeah, and it didn't always, andI won't go on that because
that's a whole, like a separatesubject, but it just, yeah, so
it's stressful for kids to betimed like it's not for anyone
to be timed on anything yeah, Iagree.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, I don't like being timed to get ready.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah and I have to be sometimes yeah, yeah, so, um,
yeah, so I, I that's, that's,that's coming up, that's coming
up, yeah.
And then, um yeah, life islife's good.
You went on a date, I, I did goon a date, but who knows what's
(05:40):
going to be of it when thisepisode comes out I went on a
date.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
People like to hear about that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I agreed to go on a second date, which is I don't
think I've ever done so.
Oh nice.
I mean, obviously in highschool, when I met your dad, I
did, but that's the only.
That is literally the onlyother second date, so this is
the second second date of mylife.
Wow, that's crazy.
(06:06):
Props to him.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You made it brother so we'll see, yeah, yeah, yeah
anyway today we were talkingabout about friends and the
importance of having, likegirlfriends and, yeah, just
those kinds of relationships.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, life and the value in life and, um, yeah,
it's a, it's a dead.
I'm dedicating it actually tosome friends.
Nice, yeah, I want to shout outto these people and to my
friend Angie this was her idea,angie and Jodi and Eileen and
Maden it was a group of peoplethat we did like a girls' night
(06:51):
for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So fun.
First of all, we've beenfriends oh my goodness since we
were in high school, and,although Angie and I hated each
other in the beginning becausewe fought over a boy a dumb boy,
I know but then we ended upbecoming such good friends.
we ended up living together incollege like she was my roommate
(07:14):
in college for a little whileand, um, we have been friends
for so long.
There was a period of time thatshe was mad at me because she
felt like I was isolating myself, and this is one of the reasons
why I wanted to talk about thissubject.
I was isolating myself and Iexplained years later that I was
(07:39):
hurting.
I was really hurting and I wasembarrassed.
I was so embarrassed to be inthe situation that I was in.
I didn't like myself and Ididn't like what was going on
around me and I didn't have anyenergy to put into any friends
and I didn't want to explainmyself.
So I kind of shut people out ofmy life and you know that's so
(08:04):
hurtful it's hurtful to people,it's also hurtful to yourself.
Yeah, I think it's so importantto um, even when you are married
and you have a relationship, Ithink it's so important to hold
on to the girlfriends becauseyou want to cultivate all the
parts of you.
Yeah, and even if your partneris your best friend, um, there's
(08:25):
something different abouthaving a girlfriend yeah.
So I just think that that thosefriendships are really
important and then, like in thiscase you know we're talking,
you know what 16 or 17 years oldto you know 50 in our 50s yeah
like that's a long time.
Yeah, I mean, that was how AngieEileen and I became friends a
(08:47):
little bit later than that.
And then Jodi high school, shemoved from Mississippi, I think
it was, and I mean just thememories that I have with these
people is it runs so deep, likeand so and so getting together
and doing that was so fun.
Um, we, eileen, wanted us todress up in these ridiculous
(09:09):
pajama outfits and I was likeI'm absolutely not doing that.
I was like no, way yeah, becauseI thought she's not gonna have
gotten a size that's gonna fitall of us and I'm not wearing
these pajama boxers.
She didn't get like differentsizes.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
She just got one size .
Speaker 2 (09:25):
She did get a variety of sizes and they actually did
fit.
So I mean they were loose andbaggy, but that was fine.
It was better than being likereally tight.
And then I actually still sleepin those pajamas because they
meant a lot to me yeah.
And one of them was likechristmas pajama, boxers and a
(09:46):
tank top from target.
But, um, target's got goodstuff.
Yeah, I mean like I, I, I am,they're so comfortable.
So we had these like tallchristmas socks on and our
christmas necklaces andchristmas headbands and it was
just really fun and we were likedoing a photo shoot, which is
sounds so silly at this age.
Why, um, I don't know I don'tthink it's silly it's just.
(10:08):
It was just fun the only othertime I remember, like you know,
because we didn't live in thesocial media time, so, but we
did have a friend who had acamcorder which is like a video
recorder yeah, I know what it isand, um, we would make up these
videos.
And angie was there, eileen andjody weren't there, but angie
and another friend, a couple ofother friends, we I don't know
(10:30):
if eileen was there, maybe Idon't think so.
Anyway, we were like doing,like shooting little video.
First we were pretending we wereanimals like from oh, out in
the wild, yeah, and then anotherone, angie, was like Ted Bundy
and we were pretending tointerview Ted Bundy and I was
some pyromaniac and who was liketalking to a pet parrot on my
(10:52):
shoulder and I was deep intocharacter, like I am like really
acting like I'm schizophrenicand like this parrot is talking
to me and um, and I'm talkingabout fire and how I love fire,
and elena is holding the cameraand just laugh.
You could just hear herlaughing into the camera, the
whole camera shaking whilethey're recording, and it was
(11:14):
just so.
It was so fun.
Yeah, it was so fun and we werelike old enough to to like go
do stuff, but we, we just it wasa rainy day and we were bored
and so we just videotaped yeah Iwould love to have that right
now.
That would be so funny to seeyeah so I just I don't know it's
really important to have thesekinds of friendships in our
(11:35):
lives and and not to like let goof and just let people dwindle
into the, into the past.
I mean I have had friendshipslike that where you know we were
friends for like a season offriendship and then not anymore,
and that for some of thosepeople it's been very hard.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It was heartbreaking yeah, well, because it's a like
a loss, it's a loss yeah yeah,and you always feel left, like
what did I do?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
like why, like that's how I have taken it, for some
reason, and yeah, so with these,you know, with these lifelong
friends that you make sometimes,you know you go through your
different seasons of life butyou know that you can always
come back to them, yeah, yeah,so that's really special.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, I don't think I have anybody that is from high
school that I'm like friendswith anymore.
I mean, like I like still talkto only just one person every
once in a while.
But like my friends now are noware like the people that I'm
(12:45):
like these will be the peoplethat, like my kids, will say
like auntie grace, like I know,like that's how it'll be, so
like it's like this is the bestI've ever felt about the friends
that I've had in my life that'sgood, yeah, and like there,
it's like a group of women that,like I trust and I also like
(13:05):
can be completely like myself,unapologetically, which is like
so crazy, like how hard it is tofind like new For sure Friends
For sure.
I think that's definitely like athis, the world that we live in
now, yeah, kind of thing,because I don't know, or maybe
(13:26):
it's just like when you getolder it gets harder.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I think it gets harder when you're older.
I think it's also harder whenyou work from home.
I think that makes a hugedifference, because I'm sitting
there thinking about what wasgoing on at my life at your age
and I was still really I mean, Iwas just finishing college.
I don't even know if I wasfinished with college at your
age.
Actually, I don't think I wasum, but I so I was like really
(13:53):
social still like I still wasout and doing things and, um,
not at home very often.
Yeah, so I think it was a littlebit easier.
And then, even when I worked,like I had friends at work, but
sometimes those friends translike transferred beyond work but
sometimes they didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Sometimes it's just friends at work, yeah Um what'd
you think?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
friends at work are nice too, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Um, oh yeah.
I mean, I definitely remember,like when I did work at certain
places, like there are peoplethat I like, there are people
that I like, there are peoplethat, like, I will talk to and
like, will pick up where we leftoff.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But like it's not like the kind of person I talk
to in my everyday.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, which like they don't know all of your
stories.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, all of your.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But I mean some of those like my work, like Melanie
and Alexis and like that's along friendship and we still
have to this and we know what'sgoing on in each other's lives
and yeah, I think it's OK tohave different types.
I do too.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And this is something that actually Nicole, our
pastor at Centerpoint, shetalked about this Like she did a
sermon on like the differentseats that people have in your
life where, like you have workfriends and then you have like
the pick-up, where you left offfriends, and then you have like
the ride-or-die friends, likethe people that you go to like
(15:11):
if they need to bury the bodywith you.
Like you have like the friendsthat you go to when things are
good.
Or you have friends that you goto like when things really rough
, like you just have differenttypes and I was like when, ever
since she did that sermon, I waslike it's such a good way to
look at it because fittingeverybody into one specific it
(15:35):
it.
It ruins the relationship thatyou do have with them because
like nobody's gonna be able tofulfill all of the seats, so
like you have to fill the seatswith different people.
So that way, like okay, well,like I can't really go to this
person with this, but I can goto this person with it.
So cause I'm like there arelike my, like my, one of my
(15:59):
closest friends, grace.
She like I go to her, like withmy day-to-day stuff, like she
knows pretty much everythingthat's going on in my life, um,
but I also like dakota is alsolike one of my closest friends
too, but like she lives furtheraway, so like we see each other
once a month, so like she stillknows everything that's going on
(16:20):
, but she's not always up todate.
Yeah, so it's like a adifferent.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Like both of them.
I would consider two of my bestfriends, but like they're just
different.
They're different roles fordifferent things, so I think
that's also something to like.
Just keep in mind, Especiallywhen I think it's so hard, when
you graduate high school and yougo into college or you go into,
like that age of like you'relike young 20s is like you're
(16:47):
like uh, I don't know how tofind friends like all I know how
to do is follow people onInstagram.
At this point, like that's whatpeople know.
Yeah, and like, I've had some ofmy girls who, like I'm a small
group leader, for they're like Idon't know like what to do.
Yeah, like when I'm not in highschool and I'm like it's
definitely hard, like, yeah, youhave to put yourself in some
(17:08):
uncomfortable situations and youyou want to find um activities
or things that you enjoy doing.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, but you kind of have to do it alone at first
yeah and which is which we'renot like used to.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And so like, which is a thing I think has changed,
because and maybe I don't know,maybe that hasn't changed.
I guess that would be more of aquestion for you.
But when I guess, even beforeCOVID, like when I was like 18,
19, I felt like I did stuff andit was normal to just like go
(17:48):
and like kind of meet peoplethere and like it wasn't weird
or awkward, like it was a littlebit like the normal amount but
it wasn't like.
Somebody saw you by yourself andwas like why aren't you with
someone?
But now it kind of feels likeyou's scared and fragile around
social interaction.
I think COVID really did anumber on the way that we
(18:10):
interact with people in person.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think that's a good point.
I feel like it was more likethat when I was like going
somewhere by yourself was likeoh, gosh, I'm not going by
myself, yeah okay, yeah, it wasum, like I mean, I'm even
thinking about, I don't rememberever just meeting friends
somewhere, like we always cameand picked each other up oh yeah
(18:34):
, so um oh, I always.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm like I'll meet you there.
I want to be going by myself metoo now.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I definitely would have been like insecure or
whatever in the past.
So I think that's, I thinkthat's interesting, yeah, so it
definitely feels.
Yeah, but I do think when youput yourself in situations where
you like, I feel like I havegood work friends, even though I
work online work friends now,some of which goes beyond work,
(19:04):
Like we talk all the time, Ifeel that way too.
Like my friend Christy, we talkall the time.
Yeah, I've gotten like-.
My friend Carrie.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Friendships, like with some of my clients even.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Like I'm like one of my clients just had a baby and
like, and then we like just metthe other day on Zoom and like I
told her about the engagementand like she's just like the
kind of person that, like everytime we talk, like yeah, it's
work related, but I'm like Ilove talking to her, yeah, yeah,
um and like, even like one, agirl that her name's megan.
(19:36):
She used to be my interninitially and then she was a
contractor for me and like westill talk and like I love
talking to her, like now it'snot as much work related as it
used to be, but like it was atthe time like.
But it was like it was like myfavorite part of the week, like
when I got to meet with the team, because I was like oh, megan
and I can catch up.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So I kind of feel like maybe you can.
It's engaged on, like how muchtime you're willing to put in
with a person, are you willingto give them time outside of the
work hours or outside of youknow what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I guess Maybe say a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like what do you mean ?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, I guess I mean Like what depends on that, like
the state of the relationship no, nothing.
Guess I mean Like what dependson that, like the state of the
relationship no nothing dependson that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's just that I find if I'm willing to give my time
to someone, then I feel likemaybe they're like I wouldn't
say a better, closer friend.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I don't know what I'm saying I think that's where it
comes into, like it just beingdifferent yeah, and like being
willing to accept the fact that,like, certain relationships are
like require different effort,require different like versions
of your like emotional state,like they're.
(21:06):
They're just different becauseI'm like there are people that
I'm like, yeah, I spend moretime with them, but like I'm
like, well, like I am closer tosome of the people that I don't
spend as much time with, likeI'm friends with people who have
kids, yeah, and so it's harder,yeah, to spend as much time
with Like I'm friends withpeople who have kids, yeah, and
so it's harder, yeah, for sureTo spend in-person time with
(21:27):
them.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But I also like, would consider them some of my
closest people.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So I'm like, yeah, I think it just depends Like on,
like this, on the state of therelationship, also your
expectations.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Of yourself as well, and not just Expectations are so
big.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Because I remember when I first was like coming
back from camp and like myrelationships with camp people
were kind of fizzling outbecause they all lived so far
and I was really the main oneputting in the effort I was like
trying to find.
Like in the effort I was liketrying to find like I just
wanted like that best friend,like that person that like could
(22:09):
come to my house and like justsit and like do nothing with me
or whatever, because like Ienvisioned that from like high
school, like that's what Iwanted when I was in high school
, but as, like, I evolved andcycled out of some friendships,
I was like, maybe that's notwhat I want or need and
(22:32):
maybe I need to stop puttingthat expectation on people
because, like, maybe they I justcan expect that they show up
how they show up and I can beokay with that, and if I need
something more in a differentarea, then then I can
communicate.
Also.
See that in others too, like Idon't have to rely on just one
(22:54):
person for that.
Yeah, I think that wassomething that that's probably a
good lesson like one of my highschool best friends.
Like that, I put a lot ofpressure on her.
Um, I think there were somethings that like were not great
on both ends, but I think that Iput pressure on her to be that
(23:15):
like one person because that'swhat I wanted.
So bad, because it's thoughtthat's what I thought I needed
in a best friend, but like theway that she was able to give
love was not that way.
So it was like like I shouldhave been like, okay, well, like
this is what you're willing togive and what you're willing to
(23:36):
do, like I need this as well.
So I'll do this with you, butI'll do this with someone else
and like that be okay, likelearning to be able to be like
just because it's also I thinkit's a scarcity thing.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It's thinking in a scarcity mindset, of thinking
like, well, if I go withsomebody else, then I'm not
giving you as much, like no,there's enough to go around to
everyone.
Just because I'm giving someonesome of me doesn't mean that
I'm taking away from anotherperson.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So I think that's probably, which is something.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I just am now concluding, right now, in this
moment.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
That also explains whysometimes I feel like I've been
too much for people, becausemaybe I have, because I have
that expectation has been sohigh for them to fill all the
seats, yeah.
And it felt overwhelming tothem.
They're like whoa.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It also makes you feel bad.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Because then you're also putting the pressure on
yourself to be like well, why amI?
Why can't they fill all theseats?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What is wrong with me that they don't want to fill
all those seats?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, Nothing is wrong with you.
What is wrong with me that theydon't want to fill all those
seats.
Nothing is wrong with you andnothing is wrong with them.
It's just that we need acommunity.
It takes a village when peoplesay that I feel like.
When I used to hear that I'mlike all right, but now
especially seeing my friendshave kids.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm like it does like have kids.
Yeah, I'm like Definitely itdoes yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It takes people and it takes a lot of different
people.
Yes, to be able to support youin all the things Because.
I'm like some people aren'tgoing to be able to show up for
you in this season of life andothers are going to be much
better at it.
And that doesn't mean thatthey're being a jerk or they're
a crappy friend.
(25:24):
It just means that that's notthe capacity that they have and
somebody else does.
It doesn't mean they love youless.
It just means that they'reworking on something for
themselves, and I think that's ahard.
It's a hard thing to recognizein the moment.
Yeah, Because it feels like whyaren't you doing what I need?
Yeah, especially because it'shard to find.
(25:46):
It's hard to find, like, goodpeople.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, like your people, yeah.
So, yeah, I think church hasreally helped me with that.
Like I've really like been ablelike going in person.
I think that was such a bigshift.
I remember when I went to theit's called the her conference
(26:11):
that they do at center pointevery year, and Nicole was
speaking, and this was duringthe time where I was only
watching online.
I went to this because Jake waslike you should go, like it's
gonna be good, and I was likeokay, and she was like Nicole is
a very blunt person, um, andshe was on stage and she was
like we're is a very bluntperson.
And she was on stage and shewas like we're, in a time like,
where a lot of you, like you,watch on Sundays like online,
she was like that's great, Ilove that you do that.
(26:33):
And she was like, but stop.
She was like you need to come.
And at first I was like okay,rude, like I'm still attending
church, because, like I do thinkthat is attending church.
But she was like you're notgetting the energy of just
standing next to a person Likeyou.
(26:55):
You are missing that aspect ofit.
And I was like I was annoyedwhen she first said that,
because I felt like called out.
I was like well, it's like I'mcomfortable, I'm able, I feel
like I'm more willing to watch,and then I go every Sunday if
I'm like watching online.
(27:16):
And I remember after I likepulled her to the side and I was
like I'm having a hard timeLike with what you said, because
I feel kind of like almost alittle attacked, yeah and um,
she was like I get that, like Iunderstand, and she was like
it's not an attack, it's justthat we have lost the human
(27:40):
connection and a lot of what wedo with working from home and
social media and um, usingtechnology for everything, and
she was like there's somethingdifferent about even if you
don't talk to people, yeah, justbeing in the presence of other
human beings, yeah, who arethere for a similar reason yeah,
(28:02):
and, and that could really bein anything
Speaker 2 (28:05):
yeah, with church, with whatever you're doing even,
even with work, even with work,yeah doing things working in
person more and like gettingtogether with your company or
whatever, like the the energythat you get from other people.
I can see that.
I also can see why you feltcalled out.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Because I felt that way, yeah, when you said some
something similar because it's ahard, it's a hard truth to hear
, but I was also something thatI needed, and then I did start
coming it is.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's so difficult that's a whole nother subject.
I feel like church and um, yeah, yeah and and like coming or
person or whatever, or likethings around church like that,
feel like that could be a wholenother topic yeah, but not right
now.
Yeah, yeah, I would like tocontinue it because I have do
(28:53):
have some questions and wouldhave some things to say about
that.
Yeah, but, um, but I think,sticking to the point of I think
human connection it is, it isdifferent in person than it is
because, like even one, two ofthe friends I mentioned just a
minute ago that I've met lateron in life through working, yeah
(29:13):
um online are one of them I'venever met in person.
She lives in canada, so I'venever met her in person.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I've only met theresa once yeah yeah, one time
she's one of my closest friends.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah me too in person , and she's so much littler than
I thought she would be yeah,yeah and then carrie, she's, she
was little too.
I was like you're little, likeit was so shocking.
They're probably like you're sotall.
Yeah, it's like yourperspective, it's just different
.
Yeah, and I don't know theenergy, um, that I felt with
(29:47):
like old friends was.
So it's, it's fun to be we're ina text thing and we like text
back and forth, but, um, it'sfun to be in person, like you
feel yeah and like the touching,the touching, I miss touching,
yeah and um, and so that isanother like that makes me feel
(30:09):
emotional, one of the things wetook this one picture with all
these socks yeah and we put ourfeet in, and so we're all like
kind of on each other because,we had to get in close to get
everybody's legs.
Yeah and um, yeah, and that wasjust it.
It like filled me with like joy, yeah, yeah.
(30:29):
So as much as I do still lovelike talking on the phone, like
that's still you're such a phonetalker.
I am a phone talker.
That's because I grew up in the80s and that's what you did.
You had the phone with the longcord and the windy thing and you
were like all over the housewith it.
And the day you went to RadioShack and got the really long
cord you were like, yes, I cango around the whole house like
(30:50):
this.
It was a whole, whole new world.
I mean, now you can go anywhereyou want with your cell phone.
But so I talked on the phoneand I only have really well,
that's not true, because Carrieand I can talk on the phone for
hours, but Eileen and I can talkon the phone for hours, but she
likes talking on the phone too.
So we just talk and we do goabout our day and do what other.
(31:10):
You know, I've got my AirPodsin, that's great, and we just
talk on the phone.
You're right, and you don'tlike talking on the phone.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I don't mind talking on the phone.
I would prefer FaceTime.
Like normally, when I talk tomy friends on the phone, it's on
FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
On FaceTime yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, like we don't.
I, they like, are like I wantto talk about this specific
thing with you while I'm on myway to whatever.
Yeah, but there's like it's notjust like to be like hey, like
just chat.
You know, like if we're goingto just chat, it's on FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, it's um, that's interesting.
I think that's a generationalthing.
I don't mind talking onFaceTime, but I can't honestly
see Eileen and I doing thatbecause we're like multitasking.
Today we were talking aboutgetting old.
Ouch, ouch, something fell onmy shirt.
(32:05):
It hurts, um, but we weretalking about getting older.
And because it was her birthdayyesterday, that was her.
It's her birthday yesterday,that was her birthday, um, and I
called and on the text, I'mlike happy birthday.
I'm going on and on and I'mlike wait, are you 50?
I'm like wait, no, you're not50, you're how old am I?
And I couldn't like this wholething was going on on the, on
(32:27):
the recording, and I was likeI'm, I go, how old am I gonna be
?
And I was like trying toremember and then I was like
forget it, I go, how old am Igonna be?
And I was like trying toremember and then I was like
forget it, I don't even know howold you're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Really.
It's so hard for me to keeptrack because I can't ever
remember your birth year no 71.
Okay, yeah, so 54, okay, umsomebody asked me and I was like
50 something.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, so anyway.
So Eileen calls and she'slaughing because she heard the
message and she's like and Ithink what did she say?
Now I can't remember 51 or 52.
52?
, I think 52.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, she's probably like great.
Thanks for exposing my age onthe podcast.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
But anyway.
So we're just talking aboutlike how your brain especially
when you've known someonethrough so many stages of your
brain it's like, it's crazy,yeah.
And so we were talking about,we were talking about that,
we're laughing about that.
And then we're she was oh,there's a carnation that just is
right outside the window, and Iwas like what?
(33:38):
And I'm thinking a carnation?
And so I'm thinking, okay, aflower is right outside the
window and she's like thatreminds me of my dad, because
her dad passed away.
Yeah, it's been a long time now.
We were talking about how wecan't believe how long it's been
and and and I was like, huh,I'm like I don't think I've ever
heard this before, thatcarnations make her think of her
(33:58):
dad.
And so she says it's stillthere.
I'm like, well, where would itgo?
That cardinal is what she wastalking about.
So then she kept sayingcarnation and then she goes I'm
going gonna take a picture of itand send it to you, and she's
like you're gonna have to zoomin so you can see the bird.
And I was like what the bird?
(34:19):
And she's like, yeah, thecardinal.
I was like you said carnationand and so we were laughing so
hard over carnation and cardinaland I wasn't even 100 positive
that she said carnation.
I'm like, no, she saidcarnation.
I know she said carnation andcardinal and I wasn't even 100
positive that she said carnation.
I'm like, no, she saidcarnation.
I know she said carnation andshe did not say cardinal and um,
(34:39):
and it was just I don't knowand it's a dumb story, but it
was so funny to us and we werejust laughing so hard.
Yeah, because the whole storymade so much more sense when she
said cardinal like because shesaid when they are all around,
and I was like are well,sometimes there's carnations all
around, you know?
So it was just.
(34:59):
And then, but I'm like, how didone just show up randomly
outside the window?
So that was the part thatdidn't make sense.
And then I'm like, oh, cardinal, okay, I get it, yeah, yeah.
So these are the things thatyou get to look forward to in
life, nice yeah, I love that forme anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So it's just important to um, it's important
to have relationships with otherpeople, and if that means and
in-person relationships, I thinkonline I mean like I voxer with
my friend christy almost everyday and that I like that because
we can hear each other's voicesum, but I think that in person
(35:39):
makes a difference yeah, yeah,we I use marco polo with like
our friends, like with mydifferent friend groups and
stuff, and that has been such alike connector of all of us
Because like texting is sodifficult and also like you
can't tell tone.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Like you don't know how somebody's feeling.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And with Marco Polo, like you can see their face and
like obviously hear their voice,and it's there.
It's like Voxer, but with video, basically.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh yeah, that's nice, yeah, it's really cool.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And it can be as long as you want it to be.
It stays there forever, so likeyou don't have to.
You can take your time to watchit Like I love Marco Polo.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, that's nice, that would be.
I know we're not going to do adifferent thing, but I think
that's, but I do.
It's interesting to think aboutlike friends, that I don't
really have a lot of friendswhere I do see them in person.
I don't even see you in personthat much, which is one of the
reasons why I wanted to do thepodcast.
It's like I don't see you, Idon't see.
(36:46):
I mean I see my mom and likeNanny and Steve.
Yeah, I mean I see my mom andlike Nanny and Steve.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But, yeah, I need to do more in people, in person
things.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's like it's important and it
like it does, like it fills thedifferent, different buckets.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, that need to be filled, and also it like it
gives you, like I feel likewe're out of practice, out of
social practice.
So it's for sure, yeah, so,which is why I was offended when
nicole had said that from thestage and then I was like you're
not wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, because I remember going home and talking
to jake and being like nicolesaid there's some war and he was
like, well, like you probablyshould, and I was scared.
I felt that, felt scary yeahbecause I also, like at that
point I was like still, I wasnot, I didn't feel comfortable
like in my own skin, so likethings like that just felt hard,
(37:47):
but also like staying at homelike was not helping that yeah
like that was just feeding intothose feelings that I was having
that were negative Because Istarted going out and like
talking to people and becomingmore comfortable Because I put
myself in situations to practice.
So like it wasn't all great atthe beginning.
(38:08):
It wasn't like instantly like,wow, this is wonderful, took
time.
Beginning it wasn't likeinstantly like wow, this is
wonderful, um, took time.
But like now, like after acouple of years, like I'm like I
enjoy being there on a Sundayand like standing around and
talking to people and like noteven just at church, like now
(38:30):
I've made relationships frompeople from church that, like we
do stuff together everywhere.
Yeah, like now I can go likejust last night I to orlando to
see one of the girls I metthrough someone at church and
celebrate her birthday and likeit was just so nice to like just
sit in her apartment and likewe were watching twilight which
is like she loves twilight andit was just like so funny I
(38:51):
can't believe you jabbed theacting on twilight have you
watched it recently?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
because it is a rough watch really yeah I think I I
mean, I haven't watched it now,but I've watched really good
things like ozark or you have towatch it because okay, because
it's bad.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's pretty bad, all right, we were just making fun
of it the whole time I was likeoh my goodness, she jabbed
twilight, yeah well, I mean likewe were sitting there watching
it and even just like I wouldlike say something as like a
joke in response to it and like,um, she would laugh and I would
like we would be laughing likethat and it was just like it was
nice to be able to like touchher arm and like connect about
(39:30):
that and like laugh togetherlike that yeah but I'm like that
, I don't know.
I don't know how that would havehappened if I wouldn't have
started putting myself inuncomfortable positions to start
to figure out who I wanted tospend my time with yeah, you
know yeah and like I'm like nowI I said like these are the
(39:51):
friends that I know that I willhave for a long, long time, if
not forever.
Yeah, so yeah, it's justfriends are important, your
community is important.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, it is for sure.
Yeah, it is for sure.
It's funny that you say thatabout aunt.
They'll call them aunt,whatever.
I mean, that's what Eileen usedto say all the time.
Yeah, and she'd say that to herkids.
I never did that.
I never called.
Well, I guess Brett.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Uncle Brett yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I guess we did with Brett, but I never did that
really with anyone else, eventhough I felt like.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Eileen has always felt like family to me.
Well, she was Jackson'sgodmother, yeah, and then the
same thing with Elena, yeah, whowas my like.
They were just always like weknow Eileen and Elena, because
they're Eileen and Elena, likethey're, those are our
godparents like, so I didn'tfeel like that needed, like an
aunt or uncle title.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I forgot about that, actually it was just like they
were just part of the familyanyways, so it was like that
yeah, but you didn't spend anytime Like we went to see Eileen,
we visited her in Alabama.
That was so fun.
That was really fun.
That felt comfortable, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
But you guys never saw Lena?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, not really, but I still felt like when we did
that I was like, okay, it's sucha, it's just I guess
relationships just change, ohyeah for sure and they change
yeah, they change um.
Eileen is definitely one thatis like, been steady for so long
.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
The battery's dead.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, been steady for so long.
Yeah, all right Well.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
That's our cue yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
This was a good one.
Yeah, we'll see you in twoweeks.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yep, have a good Monday or whatever day.
You're listening to this, don'tforget to subscribe and like
and comment and tell us.
Tell us about your friendshipsand how that's been and what if.
If you're looking for somefriendships, make some in the
comments.
That would be cool yeah, thatwould be cool um, yeah, we will
(42:08):
talk to you soon, okay, bye.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Bye.
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Speaker 1 (00:48):
Welcome back to Mind your Heart.
Welcome back.
I'm Emily, I'm Trina, nice tosee you.
How are you doing?
All right, so today?
Oh, not how you're doing,you're doing nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
I'm doing good, yeah, all right.
Yeah, I'm doing good, yeah, allright.
Yeah, I'm doing all right.
How about you?
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It was like such a high-pitched like I'm doing okay
.
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Yeah, I guess I'm doing all right.
I mean, the things have beenexciting, yeah, with you, so
that's been really fun.
Yeah, I mean I've been workinglike crazy yeah when this comes
out, I'll be about to launch myworkshop for the love of reading
(01:34):
.
Why?
don't you talk about that um, atleast just tell us what it is.
Okay, it's a workshop forparents or caregivers or even
teachers who care deeply abouttheir child's feelings about
reading and they want their kidsto love reading and they know
the value of what that means andthey are trying to figure out
(01:57):
how to help them love it, and soI am offering a workshop.
So I am offering a workshop.
It's like around an hour andwe'll talk about things, you
know, quick tips, things that wecan do, even though we have a
very you know, someone has avery busy schedule making a
reading identity.
We'll also be talking aboutthings that are getting in the
(02:20):
way of kids loving to read,because there's a lot of things
and, yeah, and I'll offer a q aand then they also get like a
comprehensive notes and theyhave I'll be providing, uh, top
recommendations of books per age.
Cool, yeah, that's a littlebonus, and so it's gonna I'm
(02:43):
very excited about it because Ithink it's I think it's gonna
really help parents that arelooking to, you know, help their
child yeah and inspiring a loveof reading has always been a
massive passion of mine.
So yeah, yeah, that's cool.
Yeah, I'm excited yeah, I haveanother youtube show that I
started.
(03:04):
I started in January with a livechallenge of going live every
day.
That's hard, that's hard.
I think it's okay Mondaythrough Friday, but Saturday and
Sunday are really hard and Iactually picked a super
difficult topic for we'rerecording today, on a Saturday,
and I had a hard topic on thisrecording day that I was like,
(03:27):
oh, I'm way too tired to talkabout the bad thing that comes
when people time reading um andso I was like oh, this is a.
I didn't even know people didthat timed yeah, you never had
to read with a timer so thatthey could count how many words
per minute, or like timedreading tests, that's I mean
(03:50):
that was a problem for you andwith the sats.
That's part of the reason whyit makes me so angry yeah, I
just, I guess I block it outyeah, I mean it is a, because I
just was like why are you timingme?
you probably didn't notice.
Yeah, people, I mean I kept itpretty like on the down low
because I didn't want kids tofeel like I was timing them but,
(04:10):
it was something, a data pointthat we had to take as a teacher
, but parents don't have to dothat.
Yeah and um, and sometimes I'venoticed in the homeschooled
world a lot of people aren'tsure exactly what to do, so they
end up doing some of the thingsthe crappy things that they
didn't want to do in the schoolsystem and um.
So I think it's important to tofind things that align with what
(04:34):
you believe and because you,you know, most people didn't
send their child to the schoolsystem for a reason, yeah, so,
um, and I hate that teachershave to do things like.
I mean, mean, I hated doingthat Because, first of all, it
was like who cares?
And everybody was reallyconcerned about reading, or
fluency, or reading words, howfast you were reading, impacting
(04:55):
your comprehension.
Yeah, and they're like, if youcan't read fast, you're not
comprehending.
Well, that's ridiculous.
Yeah, and it didn't always, andI won't go on that because
that's a whole, like a separatesubject, but it just, yeah, so
it's stressful for kids to betimed like it's not for anyone
to be timed on anything yeah, Iagree.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
Yeah, I don't like being timed to get ready.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah and I have to be sometimes yeah, yeah, so, um,
yeah, so I, I that's, that's,that's coming up, that's coming
up, yeah.
And then, um yeah, life islife's good.
You went on a date, I, I did goon a date, but who knows what's
(05:40):
going to be of it when thisepisode comes out I went on a
date.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
People like to hear about that.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I agreed to go on a second date, which is I don't
think I've ever done so.
Oh nice.
I mean, obviously in highschool, when I met your dad, I
did, but that's the only.
That is literally the onlyother second date, so this is
the second second date of mylife.
Wow, that's crazy.
(06:06):
Props to him.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
You made it brother so we'll see, yeah, yeah, yeah
anyway today we were talkingabout about friends and the
importance of having, likegirlfriends and, yeah, just
those kinds of relationships.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, life and the value in life and, um, yeah,
it's a, it's a dead.
I'm dedicating it actually tosome friends.
Nice, yeah, I want to shout outto these people and to my
friend Angie this was her idea,angie and Jodi and Eileen and
Maden it was a group of peoplethat we did like a girls' night
(06:51):
for Christmas.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
So fun.
First of all, we've beenfriends oh my goodness since we
were in high school, and,although Angie and I hated each
other in the beginning becausewe fought over a boy a dumb boy,
I know but then we ended upbecoming such good friends.
we ended up living together incollege like she was my roommate
(07:14):
in college for a little whileand, um, we have been friends
for so long.
There was a period of time thatshe was mad at me because she
felt like I was isolating myself, and this is one of the reasons
why I wanted to talk about thissubject.
I was isolating myself and Iexplained years later that I was
(07:39):
hurting.
I was really hurting and I wasembarrassed.
I was so embarrassed to be inthe situation that I was in.
I didn't like myself and Ididn't like what was going on
around me and I didn't have anyenergy to put into any friends
and I didn't want to explainmyself.
So I kind of shut people out ofmy life and you know that's so
(08:04):
hurtful it's hurtful to people,it's also hurtful to yourself.
Yeah, I think it's so importantto um, even when you are married
and you have a relationship, Ithink it's so important to hold
on to the girlfriends becauseyou want to cultivate all the
parts of you.
Yeah, and even if your partneris your best friend, um, there's
(08:25):
something different abouthaving a girlfriend yeah.
So I just think that that thosefriendships are really
important and then, like in thiscase you know we're talking,
you know what 16 or 17 years oldto you know 50 in our 50s yeah
like that's a long time.
Yeah, I mean, that was how AngieEileen and I became friends a
(08:47):
little bit later than that.
And then Jodi high school, shemoved from Mississippi, I think
it was, and I mean just thememories that I have with these
people is it runs so deep, likeand so and so getting together
and doing that was so fun.
Um, we, eileen, wanted us todress up in these ridiculous
(09:09):
pajama outfits and I was likeI'm absolutely not doing that.
I was like no, way yeah, becauseI thought she's not gonna have
gotten a size that's gonna fitall of us and I'm not wearing
these pajama boxers.
She didn't get like differentsizes.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
She just got one size .
Speaker 2 (09:25):
She did get a variety of sizes and they actually did
fit.
So I mean they were loose andbaggy, but that was fine.
It was better than being likereally tight.
And then I actually still sleepin those pajamas because they
meant a lot to me yeah.
And one of them was likechristmas pajama, boxers and a
(09:46):
tank top from target.
But, um, target's got goodstuff.
Yeah, I mean like I, I, I am,they're so comfortable.
So we had these like tallchristmas socks on and our
christmas necklaces andchristmas headbands and it was
just really fun and we were likedoing a photo shoot, which is
sounds so silly at this age.
Why, um, I don't know I don'tthink it's silly it's just.
(10:08):
It was just fun the only othertime I remember, like you know,
because we didn't live in thesocial media time, so, but we
did have a friend who had acamcorder which is like a video
recorder yeah, I know what it isand, um, we would make up these
videos.
And angie was there, eileen andjody weren't there, but angie
and another friend, a couple ofother friends, we I don't know
(10:30):
if eileen was there, maybe Idon't think so.
Anyway, we were like doing,like shooting little video.
First we were pretending we wereanimals like from oh, out in
the wild, yeah, and then anotherone, angie, was like Ted Bundy
and we were pretending tointerview Ted Bundy and I was
some pyromaniac and who was liketalking to a pet parrot on my
(10:52):
shoulder and I was deep intocharacter, like I am like really
acting like I'm schizophrenicand like this parrot is talking
to me and um, and I'm talkingabout fire and how I love fire,
and elena is holding the cameraand just laugh.
You could just hear herlaughing into the camera, the
whole camera shaking whilethey're recording, and it was
(11:14):
just so.
It was so fun.
Yeah, it was so fun and we werelike old enough to to like go
do stuff, but we, we just it wasa rainy day and we were bored
and so we just videotaped yeah Iwould love to have that right
now.
That would be so funny to seeyeah so I just I don't know it's
really important to have thesekinds of friendships in our
(11:35):
lives and and not to like let goof and just let people dwindle
into the, into the past.
I mean I have had friendshipslike that where you know we were
friends for like a season offriendship and then not anymore,
and that for some of thosepeople it's been very hard.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
It was heartbreaking yeah, well, because it's a like
a loss, it's a loss yeah yeah,and you always feel left, like
what did I do?
Speaker 2 (12:04):
like why, like that's how I have taken it, for some
reason, and yeah, so with these,you know, with these lifelong
friends that you make sometimes,you know you go through your
different seasons of life butyou know that you can always
come back to them, yeah, yeah,so that's really special.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Yeah, I don't think I have anybody that is from high
school that I'm like friendswith anymore.
I mean, like I like still talkto only just one person every
once in a while.
But like my friends now are noware like the people that I'm
(12:45):
like these will be the peoplethat, like my kids, will say
like auntie grace, like I know,like that's how it'll be, so
like it's like this is the bestI've ever felt about the friends
that I've had in my life that'sgood, yeah, and like there,
it's like a group of women that,like I trust and I also like
(13:05):
can be completely like myself,unapologetically, which is like
so crazy, like how hard it is tofind like new For sure Friends
For sure.
I think that's definitely like athis, the world that we live in
now, yeah, kind of thing,because I don't know, or maybe
(13:26):
it's just like when you getolder it gets harder.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I think it gets harder when you're older.
I think it's also harder whenyou work from home.
I think that makes a hugedifference, because I'm sitting
there thinking about what wasgoing on at my life at your age
and I was still really I mean, Iwas just finishing college.
I don't even know if I wasfinished with college at your
age.
Actually, I don't think I wasum, but I so I was like really
(13:53):
social still like I still wasout and doing things and, um,
not at home very often.
Yeah, so I think it was a littlebit easier.
And then, even when I worked,like I had friends at work, but
sometimes those friends translike transferred beyond work but
sometimes they didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Sometimes it's just friends at work, yeah Um what'd
you think?
Speaker 2 (14:13):
friends at work are nice too, for sure.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Um, oh yeah.
I mean, I definitely remember,like when I did work at certain
places, like there are peoplethat I like, there are people
that I like, there are peoplethat, like, I will talk to and
like, will pick up where we leftoff.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
But like it's not like the kind of person I talk
to in my everyday.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
Yeah, yeah, which like they don't know all of your
stories.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, yeah, all of your.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
But I mean some of those like my work, like Melanie
and Alexis and like that's along friendship and we still
have to this and we know what'sgoing on in each other's lives
and yeah, I think it's OK tohave different types.
I do too.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
And this is something that actually Nicole, our
pastor at Centerpoint, shetalked about this Like she did a
sermon on like the differentseats that people have in your
life where, like you have workfriends and then you have like
the pick-up, where you left offfriends, and then you have like
the ride-or-die friends, likethe people that you go to like
(15:11):
if they need to bury the bodywith you.
Like you have like the friendsthat you go to when things are
good.
Or you have friends that you goto like when things really rough
, like you just have differenttypes and I was like when, ever
since she did that sermon, I waslike it's such a good way to
look at it because fittingeverybody into one specific it
(15:35):
it.
It ruins the relationship thatyou do have with them because
like nobody's gonna be able tofulfill all of the seats, so
like you have to fill the seatswith different people.
So that way, like okay, well,like I can't really go to this
person with this, but I can goto this person with it.
So cause I'm like there arelike my, like my, one of my
(15:59):
closest friends, grace.
She like I go to her, like withmy day-to-day stuff, like she
knows pretty much everythingthat's going on in my life, um,
but I also like dakota is alsolike one of my closest friends
too, but like she lives furtheraway, so like we see each other
once a month, so like she stillknows everything that's going on
(16:20):
, but she's not always up todate.
Yeah, so it's like a adifferent.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Like both of them.
I would consider two of my bestfriends, but like they're just
different.
They're different roles fordifferent things, so I think
that's also something to like.
Just keep in mind, Especiallywhen I think it's so hard, when
you graduate high school and yougo into college or you go into,
like that age of like you'relike young 20s is like you're
(16:47):
like uh, I don't know how tofind friends like all I know how
to do is follow people onInstagram.
At this point, like that's whatpeople know.
Yeah, and like, I've had some ofmy girls who, like I'm a small
group leader, for they're like Idon't know like what to do.
Yeah, like when I'm not in highschool and I'm like it's
definitely hard, like, yeah, youhave to put yourself in some
(17:08):
uncomfortable situations and youyou want to find um activities
or things that you enjoy doing.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Yeah, but you kind of have to do it alone at first
yeah and which is which we'renot like used to.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
And so like, which is a thing I think has changed,
because and maybe I don't know,maybe that hasn't changed.
I guess that would be more of aquestion for you.
But when I guess, even beforeCOVID, like when I was like 18,
19, I felt like I did stuff andit was normal to just like go
(17:48):
and like kind of meet peoplethere and like it wasn't weird
or awkward, like it was a littlebit like the normal amount but
it wasn't like.
Somebody saw you by yourself andwas like why aren't you with
someone?
But now it kind of feels likeyou's scared and fragile around
social interaction.
I think COVID really did anumber on the way that we
(18:10):
interact with people in person.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
I think that's a good point.
I feel like it was more likethat when I was like going
somewhere by yourself was likeoh, gosh, I'm not going by
myself, yeah okay, yeah, it wasum, like I mean, I'm even
thinking about, I don't rememberever just meeting friends
somewhere, like we always cameand picked each other up oh yeah
(18:34):
, so um oh, I always.
Speaker 1 (18:36):
I'm like I'll meet you there.
I want to be going by myself metoo now.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
But I definitely would have been like insecure or
whatever in the past.
So I think that's, I thinkthat's interesting, yeah, so it
definitely feels.
Yeah, but I do think when youput yourself in situations where
you like, I feel like I havegood work friends, even though I
work online work friends now,some of which goes beyond work,
(19:04):
Like we talk all the time, Ifeel that way too.
Like my friend Christy, we talkall the time.
Yeah, I've gotten like-.
My friend Carrie.
Speaker 1 (19:11):
Friendships, like with some of my clients even.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
Like I'm like one of my clients just had a baby and
like, and then we like just metthe other day on Zoom and like I
told her about the engagementand like she's just like the
kind of person that, like everytime we talk, like yeah, it's
work related, but I'm like Ilove talking to her, yeah, yeah,
um and like, even like one, agirl that her name's megan.
(19:36):
She used to be my interninitially and then she was a
contractor for me and like westill talk and like I love
talking to her, like now it'snot as much work related as it
used to be, but like it was atthe time like.
But it was like it was like myfavorite part of the week, like
when I got to meet with the team, because I was like oh, megan
and I can catch up.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
So I kind of feel like maybe you can.
It's engaged on, like how muchtime you're willing to put in
with a person, are you willingto give them time outside of the
work hours or outside of youknow what I mean.
Speaker 1 (20:14):
I guess Maybe say a little bit more about that.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
Like what do you mean ?
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, I guess I mean Like what depends on that, like
the state of the relationship no, nothing.
Guess I mean Like what dependson that, like the state of the
relationship no nothing dependson that.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
It's just that I find if I'm willing to give my time
to someone, then I feel likemaybe they're like I wouldn't
say a better, closer friend.
I don't.
Speaker 1 (20:46):
I don't know what I'm saying I think that's where it
comes into, like it just beingdifferent yeah, and like being
willing to accept the fact that,like, certain relationships are
like require different effort,require different like versions
of your like emotional state,like they're.
(21:06):
They're just different becauseI'm like there are people that
I'm like, yeah, I spend moretime with them, but like I'm
like, well, like I am closer tosome of the people that I don't
spend as much time with, likeI'm friends with people who have
kids, yeah, and so it's harder,yeah, to spend as much time
with Like I'm friends withpeople who have kids, yeah, and
so it's harder, yeah, for sureTo spend in-person time with
(21:27):
them.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:28):
But I also like, would consider them some of my
closest people.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
So I'm like, yeah, I think it just depends Like on,
like this, on the state of therelationship, also your
expectations.
Yes.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Of yourself as well, and not just Expectations are so
big.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Because I remember when I first was like coming
back from camp and like myrelationships with camp people
were kind of fizzling outbecause they all lived so far
and I was really the main oneputting in the effort I was like
trying to find.
Like in the effort I was liketrying to find like I just
wanted like that best friend,like that person that like could
(22:09):
come to my house and like justsit and like do nothing with me
or whatever, because like Ienvisioned that from like high
school, like that's what Iwanted when I was in high school
, but as, like, I evolved andcycled out of some friendships,
I was like, maybe that's notwhat I want or need and
(22:32):
maybe I need to stop puttingthat expectation on people
because, like, maybe they I justcan expect that they show up
how they show up and I can beokay with that, and if I need
something more in a differentarea, then then I can
communicate.
Also.
See that in others too, like Idon't have to rely on just one
(22:54):
person for that.
Yeah, I think that wassomething that that's probably a
good lesson like one of my highschool best friends.
Like that, I put a lot ofpressure on her.
Um, I think there were somethings that like were not great
on both ends, but I think that Iput pressure on her to be that
(23:15):
like one person because that'swhat I wanted.
So bad, because it's thoughtthat's what I thought I needed
in a best friend, but like theway that she was able to give
love was not that way.
So it was like like I shouldhave been like, okay, well, like
this is what you're willing togive and what you're willing to
(23:36):
do, like I need this as well.
So I'll do this with you, butI'll do this with someone else
and like that be okay, likelearning to be able to be like
just because it's also I thinkit's a scarcity thing.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It's thinking in a scarcity mindset, of thinking
like, well, if I go withsomebody else, then I'm not
giving you as much, like no,there's enough to go around to
everyone.
Just because I'm giving someonesome of me doesn't mean that
I'm taking away from anotherperson.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:10):
So I think that's probably, which is something.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
I just am now concluding, right now, in this
moment.
Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
That also explains whysometimes I feel like I've been
too much for people, becausemaybe I have, because I have
that expectation has been sohigh for them to fill all the
seats, yeah.
And it felt overwhelming tothem.
They're like whoa.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It also makes you feel bad.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
Because then you're also putting the pressure on
yourself to be like well, why amI?
Why can't they fill all theseats?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
What is wrong with me that they don't want to fill
all those seats?
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, Nothing is wrong with you.
What is wrong with me that theydon't want to fill all those
seats.
Nothing is wrong with you andnothing is wrong with them.
It's just that we need acommunity.
It takes a village when peoplesay that I feel like.
When I used to hear that I'mlike all right, but now
especially seeing my friendshave kids.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
I'm like it does like have kids.
Yeah, I'm like Definitely itdoes yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
It takes people and it takes a lot of different
people.
Yes, to be able to support youin all the things Because.
I'm like some people aren'tgoing to be able to show up for
you in this season of life andothers are going to be much
better at it.
And that doesn't mean thatthey're being a jerk or they're
a crappy friend.
(25:24):
It just means that that's notthe capacity that they have and
somebody else does.
It doesn't mean they love youless.
It just means that they'reworking on something for
themselves, and I think that's ahard.
It's a hard thing to recognizein the moment.
Yeah, Because it feels like whyaren't you doing what I need?
Yeah, especially because it'shard to find.
(25:46):
It's hard to find, like, goodpeople.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
I think so too.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, like your people, yeah.
So, yeah, I think church hasreally helped me with that.
Like I've really like been ablelike going in person.
I think that was such a bigshift.
I remember when I went to theit's called the her conference
(26:11):
that they do at center pointevery year, and Nicole was
speaking, and this was duringthe time where I was only
watching online.
I went to this because Jake waslike you should go, like it's
gonna be good, and I was likeokay, and she was like Nicole is
a very blunt person, um, andshe was on stage and she was
like we're is a very bluntperson.
And she was on stage and shewas like we're, in a time like,
where a lot of you, like you,watch on Sundays like online,
she was like that's great, Ilove that you do that.
(26:33):
And she was like, but stop.
She was like you need to come.
And at first I was like okay,rude, like I'm still attending
church, because, like I do thinkthat is attending church.
But she was like you're notgetting the energy of just
standing next to a person Likeyou.
(26:55):
You are missing that aspect ofit.
And I was like I was annoyedwhen she first said that,
because I felt like called out.
I was like well, it's like I'mcomfortable, I'm able, I feel
like I'm more willing to watch,and then I go every Sunday if
I'm like watching online.
(27:16):
And I remember after I likepulled her to the side and I was
like I'm having a hard timeLike with what you said, because
I feel kind of like almost alittle attacked, yeah and um,
she was like I get that, like Iunderstand, and she was like
it's not an attack, it's justthat we have lost the human
(27:40):
connection and a lot of what wedo with working from home and
social media and um, usingtechnology for everything, and
she was like there's somethingdifferent about even if you
don't talk to people, yeah, justbeing in the presence of other
human beings, yeah, who arethere for a similar reason yeah,
(28:02):
and, and that could really bein anything
Speaker 2 (28:05):
yeah, with church, with whatever you're doing even,
even with work, even with work,yeah doing things working in
person more and like gettingtogether with your company or
whatever, like the the energythat you get from other people.
I can see that.
I also can see why you feltcalled out.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
Because I felt that way, yeah, when you said some
something similar because it's ahard, it's a hard truth to hear
, but I was also something thatI needed, and then I did start
coming it is.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
It's so difficult that's a whole nother subject.
I feel like church and um, yeah, yeah and and like coming or
person or whatever, or likethings around church like that,
feel like that could be a wholenother topic yeah, but not right
now.
Yeah, yeah, I would like tocontinue it because I have do
(28:53):
have some questions and wouldhave some things to say about
that.
Yeah, but, um, but I think,sticking to the point of I think
human connection it is, it isdifferent in person than it is
because, like even one, two ofthe friends I mentioned just a
minute ago that I've met lateron in life through working, yeah
(29:13):
um online are one of them I'venever met in person.
She lives in canada, so I'venever met her in person.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah, I've only met theresa once yeah yeah, one time
she's one of my closest friends.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Yeah me too in person , and she's so much littler than
I thought she would be yeah,yeah and then carrie, she's, she
was little too.
I was like you're little, likeit was so shocking.
They're probably like you're sotall.
Yeah, it's like yourperspective, it's just different
.
Yeah, and I don't know theenergy, um, that I felt with
(29:47):
like old friends was.
So it's, it's fun to be we're ina text thing and we like text
back and forth, but, um, it'sfun to be in person, like you
feel yeah and like the touching,the touching, I miss touching,
yeah and um, and so that isanother like that makes me feel
(30:09):
emotional, one of the things wetook this one picture with all
these socks yeah and we put ourfeet in, and so we're all like
kind of on each other because,we had to get in close to get
everybody's legs.
Yeah and um, yeah, and that wasjust it.
It like filled me with like joy, yeah, yeah.
(30:29):
So as much as I do still lovelike talking on the phone, like
that's still you're such a phonetalker.
I am a phone talker.
That's because I grew up in the80s and that's what you did.
You had the phone with the longcord and the windy thing and you
were like all over the housewith it.
And the day you went to RadioShack and got the really long
cord you were like, yes, I cango around the whole house like
(30:50):
this.
It was a whole, whole new world.
I mean, now you can go anywhereyou want with your cell phone.
But so I talked on the phoneand I only have really well,
that's not true, because Carrieand I can talk on the phone for
hours, but Eileen and I can talkon the phone for hours, but she
likes talking on the phone too.
So we just talk and we do goabout our day and do what other.
(31:10):
You know, I've got my AirPodsin, that's great, and we just
talk on the phone.
You're right, and you don'tlike talking on the phone.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
I don't mind talking on the phone.
I would prefer FaceTime.
Like normally, when I talk tomy friends on the phone, it's on
FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (31:23):
On FaceTime yeah.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Yeah, like we don't.
I, they like, are like I wantto talk about this specific
thing with you while I'm on myway to whatever.
Yeah, but there's like it's notjust like to be like hey, like
just chat.
You know, like if we're goingto just chat, it's on FaceTime.
Speaker 2 (31:44):
Yeah, it's um, that's interesting.
I think that's a generationalthing.
I don't mind talking onFaceTime, but I can't honestly
see Eileen and I doing thatbecause we're like multitasking.
Today we were talking aboutgetting old.
Ouch, ouch, something fell onmy shirt.
(32:05):
It hurts, um, but we weretalking about getting older.
And because it was her birthdayyesterday, that was her.
It's her birthday yesterday,that was her birthday, um, and I
called and on the text, I'mlike happy birthday.
I'm going on and on and I'mlike wait, are you 50?
I'm like wait, no, you're not50, you're how old am I?
And I couldn't like this wholething was going on on the, on
(32:27):
the recording, and I was likeI'm, I go, how old am I gonna be
?
And I was like trying toremember and then I was like
forget it, I go, how old am Igonna be?
And I was like trying toremember and then I was like
forget it, I don't even know howold you're gonna be.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
Really.
It's so hard for me to keeptrack because I can't ever
remember your birth year no 71.
Okay, yeah, so 54, okay, umsomebody asked me and I was like
50 something.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Yeah, so anyway.
So Eileen calls and she'slaughing because she heard the
message and she's like and Ithink what did she say?
Now I can't remember 51 or 52.
52?
, I think 52.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, she's probably like great.
Thanks for exposing my age onthe podcast.
Speaker 2 (33:13):
But anyway.
So we're just talking aboutlike how your brain especially
when you've known someonethrough so many stages of your
brain it's like, it's crazy,yeah.
And so we were talking about,we were talking about that,
we're laughing about that.
And then we're she was oh,there's a carnation that just is
right outside the window, and Iwas like what?
(33:38):
And I'm thinking a carnation?
And so I'm thinking, okay, aflower is right outside the
window and she's like thatreminds me of my dad, because
her dad passed away.
Yeah, it's been a long time now.
We were talking about how wecan't believe how long it's been
and and and I was like, huh,I'm like I don't think I've ever
heard this before, thatcarnations make her think of her
(33:58):
dad.
And so she says it's stillthere.
I'm like, well, where would itgo?
That cardinal is what she wastalking about.
So then she kept sayingcarnation and then she goes I'm
going gonna take a picture of itand send it to you, and she's
like you're gonna have to zoomin so you can see the bird.
And I was like what the bird?
(34:19):
And she's like, yeah, thecardinal.
I was like you said carnationand and so we were laughing so
hard over carnation and cardinaland I wasn't even 100 positive
that she said carnation.
I'm like, no, she saidcarnation.
I know she said carnation andcardinal and I wasn't even 100
positive that she said carnation.
I'm like, no, she saidcarnation.
I know she said carnation andshe did not say cardinal and um,
(34:39):
and it was just I don't knowand it's a dumb story, but it
was so funny to us and we werejust laughing so hard.
Yeah, because the whole storymade so much more sense when she
said cardinal like because shesaid when they are all around,
and I was like are well,sometimes there's carnations all
around, you know?
So it was just.
(34:59):
And then, but I'm like, how didone just show up randomly
outside the window?
So that was the part thatdidn't make sense.
And then I'm like, oh, cardinal, okay, I get it, yeah, yeah.
So these are the things thatyou get to look forward to in
life, nice yeah, I love that forme anyway.
Speaker 1 (35:18):
So it's just important to um, it's important
to have relationships with otherpeople, and if that means and
in-person relationships, I thinkonline I mean like I voxer with
my friend christy almost everyday and that I like that because
we can hear each other's voicesum, but I think that in person
(35:39):
makes a difference yeah, yeah,we I use marco polo with like
our friends, like with mydifferent friend groups and
stuff, and that has been such alike connector of all of us
Because like texting is sodifficult and also like you
can't tell tone.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
Like you don't know how somebody's feeling.
Speaker 1 (36:01):
And with Marco Polo, like you can see their face and
like obviously hear their voice,and it's there.
It's like Voxer, but with video, basically.
Speaker 2 (36:10):
Oh yeah, that's nice, yeah, it's really cool.
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And it can be as long as you want it to be.
It stays there forever, so likeyou don't have to.
You can take your time to watchit Like I love Marco Polo.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Yeah, that's nice, that would be.
I know we're not going to do adifferent thing, but I think
that's, but I do.
It's interesting to think aboutlike friends, that I don't
really have a lot of friendswhere I do see them in person.
I don't even see you in personthat much, which is one of the
reasons why I wanted to do thepodcast.
It's like I don't see you, Idon't see.
(36:46):
I mean I see my mom and likeNanny and Steve.
Yeah, I mean I see my mom andlike Nanny and Steve.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (36:51):
But, yeah, I need to do more in people, in person
things.
Speaker 1 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, I think it's like it's important and it
like it does, like it fills thedifferent, different buckets.
Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, that need to be filled, and also it like it
gives you, like I feel likewe're out of practice, out of
social practice.
So it's for sure, yeah, so,which is why I was offended when
nicole had said that from thestage and then I was like you're
not wrong.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Yeah, because I remember going home and talking
to jake and being like nicolesaid there's some war and he was
like, well, like you probablyshould, and I was scared.
I felt that, felt scary yeahbecause I also, like at that
point I was like still, I wasnot, I didn't feel comfortable
like in my own skin, so likethings like that just felt hard,
(37:47):
but also like staying at homelike was not helping that yeah
like that was just feeding intothose feelings that I was having
that were negative Because Istarted going out and like
talking to people and becomingmore comfortable Because I put
myself in situations to practice.
So like it wasn't all great atthe beginning.
(38:08):
It wasn't like instantly like,wow, this is wonderful, took
time.
Beginning it wasn't likeinstantly like wow, this is
wonderful, um, took time.
But like now, like after acouple of years, like I'm like I
enjoy being there on a Sundayand like standing around and
talking to people and like noteven just at church, like now
(38:30):
I've made relationships frompeople from church that, like we
do stuff together everywhere.
Yeah, like now I can go likejust last night I to orlando to
see one of the girls I metthrough someone at church and
celebrate her birthday and likeit was just so nice to like just
sit in her apartment and likewe were watching twilight which
is like she loves twilight andit was just like so funny I
(38:51):
can't believe you jabbed theacting on twilight have you
watched it recently?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
because it is a rough watch really yeah I think I I
mean, I haven't watched it now,but I've watched really good
things like ozark or you have towatch it because okay, because
it's bad.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
It's pretty bad, all right, we were just making fun
of it the whole time I was likeoh my goodness, she jabbed
twilight, yeah well, I mean likewe were sitting there watching
it and even just like I wouldlike say something as like a
joke in response to it and like,um, she would laugh and I would
like we would be laughing likethat and it was just like it was
nice to be able to like touchher arm and like connect about
(39:30):
that and like laugh togetherlike that yeah but I'm like that
, I don't know.
I don't know how that would havehappened if I wouldn't have
started putting myself inuncomfortable positions to start
to figure out who I wanted tospend my time with yeah, you
know yeah and like I'm like nowI I said like these are the
(39:51):
friends that I know that I willhave for a long, long time, if
not forever.
Yeah, so yeah, it's justfriends are important, your
community is important.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Yeah, it is for sure.
Yeah, it is for sure.
It's funny that you say thatabout aunt.
They'll call them aunt,whatever.
I mean, that's what Eileen usedto say all the time.
Yeah, and she'd say that to herkids.
I never did that.
I never called.
Well, I guess Brett.
Speaker 1 (40:19):
Uncle Brett yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
I guess we did with Brett, but I never did that
really with anyone else, eventhough I felt like.
Speaker 1 (40:27):
Eileen has always felt like family to me.
Well, she was Jackson'sgodmother, yeah, and then the
same thing with Elena, yeah, whowas my like.
They were just always like weknow Eileen and Elena, because
they're Eileen and Elena, likethey're, those are our
godparents like, so I didn'tfeel like that needed, like an
aunt or uncle title.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
I forgot about that, actually it was just like they
were just part of the familyanyways, so it was like that
yeah, but you didn't spend anytime Like we went to see Eileen,
we visited her in Alabama.
That was so fun.
That was really fun.
That felt comfortable, yeah.
Speaker 1 (41:08):
But you guys never saw Lena?
Speaker 2 (41:10):
Yeah, not really, but I still felt like when we did
that I was like, okay, it's sucha, it's just I guess
relationships just change, ohyeah for sure and they change
yeah, they change um.
Eileen is definitely one thatis like, been steady for so long
.
Speaker 1 (41:31):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 2 (41:31):
Uh-oh.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
The battery's dead.
Speaker 2 (41:35):
Yeah, been steady for so long.
Yeah, all right Well.
Speaker 1 (41:39):
That's our cue yeah.
Speaker 2 (41:43):
This was a good one.
Yeah, we'll see you in twoweeks.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Yep, have a good Monday or whatever day.
You're listening to this, don'tforget to subscribe and like
and comment and tell us.
Tell us about your friendshipsand how that's been and what if.
If you're looking for somefriendships, make some in the
comments.
That would be cool yeah, thatwould be cool um, yeah, we will
(42:08):
talk to you soon, okay, bye.
Speaker 2 (42:10):
Bye.
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