February 26, 2024 • 38 mins
Have you ever considered the simple act of shaving as a cornerstone of self-care? This episode is a soothing balm for those looking to enhance their grooming routine, with insights on why embracing the blade—or not—can be a deeply personal choice. Charles and Dan examine the tools that keep us looking sharp, from high-tech razors to the most indulgent of soaps. Plus, we share the warmth and comfort of life's little luxuries, like a heated steering wheel on a chilly Pennsylvania morning.
Strap in for tales of travel and the anticipation of future adventures that fuel our wanderlust and personal growth.
Round off your listening experience with a dive into the cultural revelations that come from stepping outside our comfort zones. We're not just talking about shaving and self-care; we're exploring the impact of interacting with international communities and reflecting on environmental policy differences. Plus, there's a nod to Taylor Swift's savvy release strategies, because who doesn't love a bit of pop culture mixed with their personal development?
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Charles (00:00):
Hey there, Charles.
Here In this episode wecontinue our discussion of
self-care for men by Garrettmonths.
We finally get to talk aboutshaving, one of my favorite
self-care rituals.
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Thanks, hey, Charles.
Good morning, Hello Dan.
(00:20):
How are you?
I am well Good.
How's, uh, how's life treatingyou Life?
Dan (00:26):
uh, life's treating me well , uh, how I'm reacting to it is
not as uh ideal as I have beenin the past.
Charles (00:32):
So that is a tough part .
Dan (00:34):
A challenge, so uh, but it's a learning experience and
it's reminding me to look andfocus on the essentials that are
able to uh support me when, uh,when I face some challenges and
stuff like that.
So, um, yeah, not to bring downthe podcast or anything in the
(00:55):
morning, but you're welcome.
Charles (00:58):
Um, how are you?
I'm good.
I, uh, I've been.
It's been a busy week.
I don't think we've talked onthe podcast since I came back
from Pennsylvania, have we?
Dan (01:09):
I don't think so.
We do need to talk about yourlittle furry friend.
Charles (01:13):
Yeah, I got to meet uh Punxsutani Phil.
Um, overall, I enjoyed the tripvery much.
Uh, the flights were very, verysmooth.
Uh, everything was on time.
I liked that.
Um, the weather was cold, butnot really cold, I mean.
It was it kind of hoveredaround freezing for the high and
then obviously below freezingfor the low, but didn't really
(01:35):
get my way.
I got um for my rental car.
I I got a brand new NissanRogue and boy that was.
That was pretty nice.
It had some features that I'mnot used to uh, heated seats,
heated steering wheel, adaptivecruise control.
Where he'd steering role isprobably nice in that weather.
(01:57):
That was nice.
Um, yeah, the adaptive cruisecontrol was nice, where just
kind of stays in your lane.
It leaves plenty of space forthe vehicle in front of you.
And uh, the only thing was, uh,I couldn't completely take my
hands off the wheel for morethan a few seconds because then
it would start warning me.
So I tried to figure out whatstuff I could put on the wheel
or in the gaps to make it thinkthat I was holding onto it.
(02:18):
So I could relax and didn'twork it out.
Dan (02:21):
but I'm sure, if I hit a really, but that's not a
self-driving car.
Charles (02:26):
I mean it could be if, uh, you know you're willing to
take it up risk.
Yeah, any car could beself-driving if you're brave
enough.
So not like the point where youcould strap a cinder block to
the gas pedal.
Exactly, basically yeah, yeah,if, uh, yeah it was it didn't
have the capability where Icould just put in an address and
(02:47):
then just kind of chill, uh,because it wouldn't, like you
know, do actual like turns, butit would stay within the lane
and give enough space andincrease, accelerate and
decelerate.
But uh, yeah.
So that was, that was kind offun.
I did, um, I did opt for theprepaid fuel option, which I
usually don't do, but I knew Iwas going to have to do quite a
bit of driving, so it was just amatter of tweaking my, you know
(03:10):
, using, using enough gas andputting in a little bit of gas
instead of a lot of gas before Idropped it off so that I was
right as close to empty aspossible.
And, uh, I did that, um, didnot.
Dan (03:23):
I mean, how much do they?
They ding you for a lot, or dothey?
Or have those prices come down?
Cause I thought like a prepaidfuel option is like no, it's six
dollars a gallon.
Charles (03:33):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It saves you money.
The uh, the prepaid fuel optionis cheaper than the price at
the pump.
See, what they're doing isthey're gambling on the fact
that you're going to leave somegas in the tank.
Yeah, and so their price pergallon they actually have to use
to fill it up.
They'll make money on it,because enough people don't.
Yeah, you, it only works if you, really if you, if you, if it's
(03:55):
on fumes when you turn it backin, that's when it works for you
, and the rest of the time itworks for them because, they
charge you for a full tank ofgas Right Now if you close to
the pump price, is it?
it was a little below.
I believe it was 340 a gallonand I think what I saw up there
was a little bit higher thanthat.
Yeah, um, whereas if you don'tget the prepaid fuel option and
(04:17):
they have to fill it up for you,oh, that's when the that's when
it's $10 a gallon, yeah, sothat's that's when they really
get you, yeah.
Dan (04:24):
That one, I remember.
I always thought the prepaid,though, was still more than the
price at the pump, but I guessnot.
Charles (04:31):
No, it was, it was right at or slightly below.
Okay, um, but again, you know,they, they, it's like any
insurance, they.
They make money on most of thepeople that buy life insurance,
auto insurance, home insurance,the they, like I always say they
don't build those skyscrapersin Hartford, Connecticut, by
giving away more than they takein, right, yep.
And so the fuel options, thesame thing, where for most
(04:52):
people, the rental car companycomes out on top.
But I I knew I was doing enoughdriving where and I would
inconvenience.
I would go and put in adollar's worth of gas if I had
to, just so that I could pushthe car back in and get my full
benefit from the fuel option.
But I did skip the insurance.
Usually, if the uh lost damagewaiver is what I consider to be
(05:13):
a reasonable amount, I'll goahead and get that, because I
have used it once where I dingedup my car and basically just
handed them the keys and I waslike here's your car back.
Yep.
But they wanted $37 a day forthe lost damage waiver, which
was more than I paid for the car.
Dan (05:28):
The rental was less than that Holy cow.
So some credit cards.
I know America's Press has andI don't know if other cards do,
but you can uh if you rent thecar with that card yeah sign up
for their extra insurance.
It's extra.
It's not like part of the, the,the card, most cards.
They say they'll cover you butyou still have to go through
(05:50):
your insurance first.
This it's $25 per rental periodnot per day Nice Okay.
And it it goes first Interestingand so I've used that once
before and I use it now.
So if you have a card thatoffers that you just might, you
might need to call customerservice because it's not easy to
find not all cards make it thatobvious and available because
it's a great deal.
Charles (06:11):
Yeah, that is a great deal.
I'll I'll have to look in, Ithink I.
I think I put it on, yeah, myDiscover card, which is what I
use for renting cars, and Idon't know if they have that or
not, but I'll, I'll check, yeah.
Dan (06:21):
So they they see that it comes through a rental car
agency to automatically chargeit to the $25, but it's only for
that one period and then you'recovered and it's, it's just as
good as lost damage waiver.
Charles (06:31):
Yeah, that's.
That's the thing.
Where they get you on the lostdamage waiver is, if you damage
the car and you have autoinsurance, which in Florida
everybody has to, then your autoinsurance will pay for the
repair.
Where the rental car companiesget you as they say well, the
car was out of our rotation fortwo weeks so we couldn't rent it
to anybody, so you have to payus for the money that we lost,
the revenue we lost, that wecould have.
Dan (06:53):
Ah, yeah.
Charles (06:53):
Although I have heard that there are some ways to get
around that where basically andthe person who told me this had
to hire a lawyer basically thelawyer says okay, you need to
prove to us that you had enoughdemand, that that this not
having this, this exact caravailable, actually costs you
money.
And if the rental car companycan't prove that they lost money
, that that class or whateverwas completely booked out the
(07:15):
whole time it was being repaired, then they can't.
It's like you know when, if you, if you jet out on an apartment
lease early and they're like,well, you broke the lease, you
have to pay us.
It's like, yeah, but five dayslater you rented it to somebody
else, so you don't get to chargeme for the lost rent and then
also collect rent from a newperson.
Makes sense, you don't get tomake money on both Sure.
And so it's basically the sameprinciple with rental car.
(07:37):
If they say, well, we were outthis money, but you can, they
can't prove that they actuallyhad to say no to someone and
send them to Alamo or some otherrental car Mm-hmm.
Yeah, then that's cheating andthey're not allowed to do that.
Dan (07:50):
That's fair.
Charles (07:50):
I'm all about fairness, it was a great trip.
I really had a fun time.
The thing I did realize was Idid not have to go there as
early.
I was on the one and a halfmile walk to Gobler's Knob at
four in the morning and for theceremony that started at 7.20, I
could have just rolled in fiveminutes beforehand because I had
no interest in standing up atthe front anyway.
I just wanted to be there forthe whole experience and all
(08:13):
that, and you know I again it'snot seating, so we're standing
around anyway.
It's just standing around Like,and if you're solo, like I was,
and you're at the front, andthen you have to go get some
coffee or go pee, you're notgetting back to the front.
So I just checked out of thatwhole system and I was like I'm
going to stand toward the backof this crowd and, you know, I
always, or I have saidfrequently it's silly to boast
(08:35):
about something that you didn'tearn or you can't control.
I've got this 2010 vision thatI was born with and still here I
am, at a ripe old age of 46.
And I could still, you know, bea fighter pilot if it didn't
require anything but good vision.
So I'm fine standing at theback.
I can see everything reallywell that I would want to see.
So, being up front, you know,shoulder to shoulder with a
(08:56):
bunch of strangers from WesternPennsylvania, no thanks.
So I was in the back of thecrowd.
Dan (09:05):
Eastern Pennsylvania, that would have been a little bit
better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Charles (09:08):
Those people are all right.
Those people would have beenbetter Not West Philadelphia
from.
I mean, I'm just basing thatcompletely off of the theme song
to Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
I don't know anything elsebeyond that, but I hear it's a
rough neighborhood.
Yeah, so I was far enough inthe back where I could lean up
against a tree.
I had my AirPods in, I waslistening to the Jack Reacher
(09:30):
book that will serve as the plotpoints for the upcoming third
season, and so I reacquaintedmyself with that novel and just
kind of zoned out, hung out, hadthe best cup of hot chocolate
I've ever had in my life, whichI found out after I was finished
consuming it.
It just came out of a packet ofSwiss mist, but I think it's
(09:50):
because it was cold, because ofthe environment.
Something about it justpsychologically felt like this
is the best cup of hot chocolateI've ever had in my life.
And I told you about the donuts.
They had jumbo Amish donuts,which I don't know exactly what
made it Amish, but very lightchocolate frosting on the
outside.
It was in a Claire, basically,with a very light chocolate
(10:12):
frosty on the outside and apeanut butter cream filling.
Wow, and that combo was realgood.
I don't like it when mychocolate overpowers my peanut
butter.
I want a little bit more peanutbutter than chocolate.
To be honest, I'm the same wayand it was quite good.
Got to take my selfie or itwasn't a selfie One of the crew
from the Groundhog Society thereare three of them actually, on
(10:35):
all different positions, takingpictures with Phil.
So after the ceremony is over,I waited and he was asleep.
He was tired out.
It was there's a lot of workpredicting the weather and got
my picture with him and it was.
It was a blast.
I'm so glad that I I've beentalking about doing it pretty
much since the Groundhog Daymovie came out, which I did
watch, start to finish.
(10:56):
After I got back to the hotelon Groundhog Day, I was like,
okay, I'm just going to nap andcatch up on my sleep, because I
my alarm went off at 2am thatmorning to get ready for this
thing.
And yeah, then I watched.
Groundhog Day still holds up,still is an amazing movie, and
yeah, it was, it was a good time.
So check, check the big one offthe bucket list.
Dan (11:15):
Nice Sounds like you got the full experience.
Charles (11:17):
I really, yeah, I did.
I think I think there wasprobably.
The full experience is gettingthere at 7 o'clock the night
before and just hanging out andstaying up all night, which they
can keep.
That I have no interest.
Dan (11:29):
Were there, people there that you met that said they were
there since 7 the night beforeI mean that I met implies that I
talked to anyone other thanother than people selling me
things.
Charles (11:41):
Yeah and no, that's not really my style, gotcha.
So yeah, I didn't.
Really I didn't, for I didn'tseek out any interaction with
other humans other than here'smy money.
Give me the thing that I'mbuying from you, all right.
Dan (11:52):
So, yeah, you didn't get the full experience.
I'd say you got 90% of things.
Charles (11:56):
Yeah, I.
I imagine some people wouldwould find the social aspect
valuable, hmm, but you know Ican serve those people weak no,
everybody that you know I had Ihad any brief Inconsequential
interactions with.
Seem nice, but yeah you know,I'm, I'm mostly looking to
(12:20):
listen to audiobooks and have abunch of thoughts kicking around
in my head, not really get Getacquainted with people.
So, and mission accomplished,all right.
So the next trip?
I don't know, I'm probably, I'mprobably gonna hold off on any
more travel until at least April.
But man, and then I got the thebig, the big European
(12:42):
expedition in August.
I was thinking about a secondtrip to Europe in September,
which Really crazy to go back toback like that unless I could
find a really great deal.
Okay so far, the only TonyRobbins Unleashed the power
within.
That is scheduled to take placein real life instead of virtual
(13:02):
.
Yeah, is in Cologne, germany,okay, and it's in September.
It's in September, so there maybe another one right around my
birthday.
There's going to be, but theyhaven't announced the location
yet.
Yeah, so I should probably signup for his email list so that I
find out what is that run pricewise, it's not crazy expensive,
it's.
It's it's around pod fest typemoney like four or five hundred
(13:25):
dollars, like for the cheapseats.
Yeah, okay, yeah, for the cheapseats, maybe, maybe it was wow,
that's 599 or 699 surprising,for it's only three days oh and,
yeah, I for Tony Robbins.
I feel like I know I'mconditioned to think of
everything in terms of what itcosts to go to like tech ed or
one of those like Microsoftevents or yeah, and those are
like I can't imagine what.
(13:46):
I haven't even looked.
I don't know what they'recharging now, but it used to be
like for a VIP to one of theMicrosoft events that I was
interested in.
It was like 39 hundred dollarsto go for like four or five days
, yeah, and compared to thestuff you and I attend now, it's
like everything seems cheap.
Dan (14:02):
Yeah, I mean it's different going business business versus
business, a consumer yeahexactly.
Charles (14:06):
Yeah, for sure.
But I am thinking about goingto Keto con again this year.
You'll be out of town, so I'llhave to consider, like I'll have
to consider, going solo, but Idid have a good time at it last
year.
I learned.
Dan (14:18):
It serves, I would absolutely go.
If I'm gonna be in town, I'llgo.
It's not solid that I'm gonnabe okay, so it's.
It's looking like I most likelywill be, but I had a great time
at Keto con very motivating,right?
Charles (14:31):
I mean you learn, learn a lot about I was talking about
all the free sausage.
Dan (14:33):
But you know, oh my gosh.
I forgot about that.
Charles (14:36):
Fresh cooked hot meat Fantastic man, and not once did
they give us the side eye forreturning and eating their
sausage over.
They were just excited.
Dan (14:46):
They were like you know what I and I have bought a lot
of that Ninemen Ranch.
Sausage yeah and they also sellit under a different brand at
Whole Foods.
Charles (14:56):
I have a freezer full of that, remember You'll you
open it up and you're like, oh,there's a sausage party.
The sausage party, yes in myfreezer.
Dan (15:04):
I'm dancing the sausage party, my freezer that it was
man.
Charles (15:07):
That's awesome.
What a great snack.
I mean, you know, I do that now.
Dan (15:11):
So I, when I'm trying to do Keto, I cook off all a whole
package and then I slice them upinto quarters and I keep them
in the fridge.
So by the time I'm fixing for areal meal, I can just grab one
of those little pieces ofsausage, pop it my mouth and,
you know, kind of hold me over.
So I don't make the worstdecisions ever when it comes to
(15:31):
me.
Charles (15:31):
Yeah, the meal itself that reminds me speaking of does
slow me down.
It's fantastic of cooking I.
I did pull the trigger on myConvection oven, toaster oven,
air fryer combo oh nice, and Iordered one of those two days
ago.
Okay, and I am, I'm reallylooking forward to getting that.
And well, I want to kick up ismy, my seafood, my fish and
(15:53):
poultry consumption, and notjust, you know, whenever I cook
meat for myself at home, it'salways burgers, and I think it's
kind of boring, or if I've, ifI've got an easier way to cook
up some chicken and turkey andquail and pheasant and and Order
a lot bunting.
Not gonna make any of that, butI will.
(16:15):
What?
What did you just say?
Order a lot bunting.
Dan (16:19):
It's a alright, is that?
Is that a new shoe brand?
Charles (16:21):
That's like blue on the bottom.
It's a really Lubitan.
Okay, sorry, how dare you.
It's a.
It's a really creepy delicacy,okay, where you you cook a whole
little bird in I believe, youdrown it and Some kind of a
(16:43):
liqueur and then you basicallyhold it by the beak and eat the
whole body at once.
Oh, wow, and it's traditionallyit's traditionally eaten with a
covering over your head.
Oh, Wait, yeah, we thought thatwas in the movie, wasn't that?
Dan (17:00):
or it was a terrible it might have been in Hannibal.
It was in Hannibal, or was itin Billions?
Charles (17:06):
it was in billions.
It was in billions, yes, and so, yeah, you cover your head with
a, with a towel, while you eatit, and it's like it's illegal,
isn't it?
Dan (17:15):
I think that's, that's what they were spinning it.
Charles (17:16):
I think it might right.
I don't know, I mean itprobably be.
I Mean to make it yourself.
Probably wouldn't be.
Dan (17:21):
I thought that's why you put the towel over your head.
Charles (17:24):
Oh, no, that's, that's because it's so indulgent.
You're basically ashamed in thepresence of God to do something
, so indulge it.
As to my gosh, as to eat thismeal, yeah, it's.
I heard a comic a few years agoreference it and I was like I
looked around like and I'm theonly guy here who's gonna get
what this guy's talking about Imean, maybe that's a little
(17:44):
judgmental in my part to it'slike, yeah, and because I think
it was before, it was inbillions.
Okay, and I don't rememberwhere I first heard about it,
but probably some deep, you knowYouTube rabbit hole, but anyway
.
So I will not be cooking thatin my ninja, in my ninja air
fryer, but I did get the onethat folds up, so it's space
(18:06):
saving, which is alwaysabsolutely important in my
surroundings.
All right, this is a chapter ofself-care for men that I have
been really looking forward to,because I love all things
shaving and man.
I started shaving when I waspretty young, mostly due to neck
beard situation that was where.
(18:28):
Okay, I came in first, oh yeah,oh, interesting, and it's the
worst.
So, yeah, I would get verythick, coarse hair on my neck
before I was able to grow a realbeard or even a goatee.
The yeah, I was neck beardfirst and then chin, then
(18:48):
mustache, then cheeks and thenthe connector between my
mustache and my goatee was thelast thing to come in.
Wow, yeah, I'm so waiting forthat to come in Any day now, Dan
any day.
Dan (18:58):
Yeah, I don't have my cheeks either, so yeah.
Charles (19:03):
Yeah, but I've tried everything.
As far as shaving technology, Ihave started probably with the,
I believe, the Gillette Sensor,their first one with sort of a
fancy handle and thenreplaceable cartridges.
That was really the dominantshaving technology when I
started, so that's what I used,the Gillette Sensor, and that's
(19:23):
what I actually still use today.
My current go-to is a GilletteSensor handle with the Gillette
Sensor XL cartridges, the Mach 3and the Fusion and all that
kind of stuff I was never reallyinto.
I was like this seems redundant.
I'm getting a great shave witha Gillette Sensor, so why do I
(19:45):
need 18 blades?
Dan (19:46):
Yeah, If it's working for you, then.
If it is working for you, thenwhy?
Charles (19:51):
And they just get more and more expensive and they seem
to last less and less length oftime and it's like, why do I
need five or six blades to goover in a single pass?
I don't, yeah.
I mean, if shaving your facewas a 45-minute job and you
could cut it in a quarter byhaving four blades, then I'd be
like, okay, yeah, maybe thismakes sense, but it doesn't work
(20:13):
that way.
So the Multi-Blade cartridgerazor is where I started.
I have tried the double-edgedsafety razor where you basically
screw it down like the old,like I think James Bond shaved
with one of those in one of theoriginal Sean Connery movies and
I tried that and it's prettygood.
You can get a good shave withthose.
(20:33):
I like them.
I have done the straight razorYourself on your razor oh yeah,
yeah, okay.
I got one years and years ago.
That was the kind where you hadto like use the stone and use
the strop and all that stuff,and that was just too much work.
(20:55):
So now the one that I currentlyhave is basically it's a
replaceable one, where you pinchthe end of it and the blade
comes out and then you put a newone in, but it's still just one
and it requires the same levelof skill to pull it off.
I like it.
I like it to be somewhat of ameditative process, like like
driving, like riding amotorcycle or flying a plane,
(21:17):
where you kind of have to focus100% on the thing that you're
doing.
So it's kind of calming to bethat focused, but it does take a
longer amount of time to usethan any of the other options.
But it does give a very closeshave and it feels good and you
can't really skimp on any of theprocess where I, if I'm going
to give myself a straight razorshave, I'm going to use the
(21:39):
pre-shave oil, and well, firstI'm going to steam my face and
then I'm going to do thepre-shave oil, then I'm going to
work to.
You know the I've got the mugwith the cream or the lather and
the brush.
And yeah, you have to.
You have to go through all thesteps and you have to be serious
about all the steps to get yourface very wet and very slick so
(21:59):
that the straight razor movesvery easily on your skin and
then and then you know aftershave at the end and all that,
and it's fun, like if I'm goingout for a night out or something
and I want to pamper myself alittle bit.
I'll still do it occasionally,but it's only probably once.
A quarter is about as often asI do it.
Dan (22:17):
Yeah, I think that's great because it separates the world
from what you're currently doingLike you said, you have to
focus on it, and it also setsyour mind for the right
intention for that evening aswell.
Charles (22:30):
I feel like it calms you down.
Dan (22:32):
It probably helps you focus a little bit and just really be
able to feel you know where youare in the world and where you
are in your body and then alsohelps it helps you have much
better time at whatever event.
Charles (22:44):
I agree.
Yeah, you're investing in yourappearance and your feelings.
Dan (22:48):
It's like people playing music before you know, getting
dressed before they go out.
Charles (22:51):
So, yeah.
Dan (22:52):
So you're really being intentional as a daily practice
or a weekly practice.
That is way too much work forme and if I'm going to do it, I
would go to get a professionaldone.
Oh yeah yeah, my handsdefinitely not like a surgeon
and I would coming out.
So one of the pieces of advicehe talks about here is, if you
are going to do this for aspecial event like a wedding,
(23:12):
he's like, do it.
Charles (23:12):
The day before because you might end up coming and
stuff getting some nicks, or youknow, he's got hairs.
Yeah, if I'm either going outwith friends and I expect a lot
of picture taking or even I'mgetting my headshots done, my
beard doesn't grow so quicklythat I can easily.
Is that like Homer Simpson?
No, definitely not.
Yeah, yeah, I can shave thenight as you walked out of the
(23:33):
bathroom.
I can shave the night beforeand still the next morning look
like I just shaved, but withnone of the scabs or any of the
irritation or anything like that.
So I would always say, yeah, ifyou're anticipating having your
picture taken, whether you use astraight razor or really any
kind of shaving, just to be safe, do it the night before, unless
(23:53):
your hair grows super fast andsuper thick.
But even then, I mean, 12 hoursof stubble isn't going to look
bad in really any professionalor recreational circumstance.
So if I was getting married inthe morning, I would still shave
my face the night before.
And yeah, if it looks like I'vegot a little bit of growth, ok,
so what?
But yeah, that that's the.
(24:15):
I have tried an electric razorand I've noticed that the, the
rotary style where it's got likethe three circles, those do not
work on my hair at all.
Dan (24:26):
Yeah, I think I tried that when I was a kid and it did not.
Charles (24:29):
It did not get the job done.
Dan (24:31):
If it did, it felt like it pulled it out.
Charles (24:33):
It didn't even cut it Never got like close enough to
me and all the hairs for me.
Yeah, what has worked?
I've tried the, the brawn stylewith like the, the screens and
those do a pretty good job on me, but I just enjoy the, the
shaving, especially now I.
I keep a stubbly beard, atleast sometimes I grow my beard
(24:57):
longer than this, and so I'mreally only doing my neck and my
cheeks anyway.
So I like the blade experience.
I would never trade it for a,for an electric.
What about you?
You, what do you?
What kind of?
Dan (25:11):
I I've fallen in for the marketing for Gillette.
I get the the latest gadgetright so whether it's more
blades, whether it's vibrating.
You put a battery in it, it'sgot the two strips of.
Charles (25:23):
You know the lubricant or whatever that.
Dan (25:25):
I don't need Really right.
And I'll be honest with you,I'm like looking at all like all
the procedures in this chapterin terms of, like you said, you
know putting on the, the beardoil and, and you know, getting
the shaving cream.
I don't grow that much hair andso I just need a little bit of
a trim.
I don't use shaving cream.
I sometimes I shave cream.
Yep, sometimes I won't even doit after the shower because
(25:47):
because they talk about you wantto, you know, open up your
pores and make it.
I don't even do that becausesometimes I feel like I don't
get a good enough grip, so Iwill do it like dry, with your
face dry.
My face dry and then I'll putin some.
I might put on some aftershaveafter that.
Bad little little moisturizerand I'll be honest with you, for
(26:08):
me I don't get that much joy.
And out of the whole process ofshaving, yeah, just a pain for
me.
OK it just kind of gets in theway because first of all it
doesn't grow in evenly for me.
So for me it's more of like aI'm trying to not look like a
dirty, homeless person,basically, and so I'm kind of
just cleaning up what I havehere and then I'll just use the
(26:30):
like the hair, like the hairtrimmer from Braun on my beard a
little bit and just to kind oftrim that up and stuff.
So I keep it as simple aspossible.
But that's not something again,I love, you know, I love
getting massages.
I love getting, you know,pedicures.
I like it.
That's how I will care formyself in that way.
(26:51):
Shaving is just not been one ofthose things, and anytime I've
gotten like a straight razorshave, that's good.
Just ask you about that.
Yeah, makes me a little nervous.
Oh, really, yeah, it does,because like you get close to
the carotid artery there withwith a blade, you know so.
And I've had doctors mess upprocedures on me when I've had
conversations with them andthey've been like distracted.
Charles (27:14):
Oh really.
Dan (27:15):
So they screwed up my toenails Do.
I always get some work done onthat.
They drop acid on on more ofthe nail than they were supposed
to.
Totally screwed up my toenails.
So for me, I'm just kind of.
For me, I'm just kind of get inand get out, and that's it.
What was interesting to me tolearn in this chapter was that
Alexander the Great was the onewho started this, according to
(27:36):
this guy.
Yeah, basically to get hissoldiers to shave so that their
beards wouldn't be pulled inbattle.
And I was like, oh, that isinteresting Very interesting.
Charles (27:46):
Yeah, and I think yeah, I mean because it could be.
I wonder what about their?
The hair on their head, Didthey?
Dan (27:54):
right, did they shave?
Charles (27:55):
their heads too, cuz that's a.
Dan (27:57):
Back then I feel like all it's all the TV shows and movies
.
They all had kind of like longhair, and yeah, exactly.
So, interesting.
Charles (28:04):
Yeah, I could see a completely hairless man, I
suppose would be.
Dan (28:07):
Very aerodynamic aerodynamic slide in and out of
different grips and holds yeah,I mean sells with oil.
Well, a lot of UFC firefighters, right?
True, yeah, yeah thing, youknow, with swimmers trying to
make themselves move morequickly through the water.
So yeah, so I don't have a muchof a routine.
I think the polar opposite ofthis extreme of a routine,
(28:30):
that's yeah, that's sointeresting.
Charles (28:32):
Yeah, opposites in other areas, but I like all the
detailed process and shaving.
My go-to Shaving gel right nowis there's a sensitive skin
formula by edge, which I used toalways be a snob and kind of
look down on edge I I prefer theGillette shaving gel in the can
Okay, the edge, but From what Ican tell, gillette is not
(28:54):
making a completely dye free,fragrance free version and edge
is and we've talked about that abajillion times that I, yeah, I
like fragrance free, everythingexcept my expensive cologne
that I like.
And, yeah, edge edge has a asensitive skin formula.
Where it works, it gets the jobdone and it doesn't have any
dyes or perfumes or anything.
So I use that now.
(29:14):
Yeah, just used it this morningas a matter of fact to shave
and I like it a lot.
Now for my straight razoraction I've got a Can of the art
of shaving cream and they it'sthe one they only sell around
Christmas.
It's peppermint.
Dan (29:30):
Oh, nice Pepper smells good all year.
Charles (29:32):
Yeah, you don't you don't need to.
Just you know, use peppermint.
It does smell just like a candycane, but you don't.
But you know everything.
Peppermint smells like a candycane, but so I use it year-round
and then I just skip.
I skip any additional Cologneon on days when I decide to do
the straight razor shave, mm-hmm.
I have been skipping thecologne last couple days too,
because I'm using my banana, oatmilk Fancy soap that I bought
(29:56):
at Whole Foods.
That was my, my last Self-carepurchase.
Okay, and that boy, that stuff.
It smells good and it feelsreally good.
I, I may, I may always keep oneof those bars of fancy soap in
my shower to to treat myself.
They have some other, someother scents that I really like
a lot too.
Dan (30:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think the overarching theme with this book
is Having those littleself-care Items like yeah your
soap.
Sometimes that's enough tochange your mindset From what
was the way this sucks?
Yeah, I'm.
I don't see a way out of thisto oh, just all it is is just a
(30:40):
pattern interrupts.
Sometimes it's not even like ohyeah.
I feel so much better.
It's just a it just stop andmake you think and just kind of
reanalyze and oh wait, there'sanother choice here.
I don't have to be kind of keepit going, keep going down this
path.
Charles (30:52):
Yeah, and and just you know a little extra.
Just putting that bar up to mynose and smelling it before it's
like, oh, it's not it couldbring back some memory
Absolutely so.
Dan (31:01):
I was listening to a book the other day.
It's called the hunger habit byJudd.
Nelson not Judd Nelson.
Remember, I'll remember later,but but he's.
He's a psychologist,psychiatrist, okay, and he
studies.
He studies addiction, and whathe said was the sense of smell
(31:23):
is the only one of our fivesenses that has direct access to
our brain.
Charles (31:28):
I believe it and and man, nothing brings back a
memory.
Oh my gosh will trigger?
Dan (31:33):
will trigger good feelings, yes, or bad feelings, or
memories?
You faster than the smell, andfor me it's.
Bus exhaust, so I may havetalked about this on that I
don't remember that, so as a kid.
Uh-huh we go, went to visitfamily in Germany and it was
like once a year we would go andwe take a, we take a family.
(31:53):
My mom was from over there, sowe go see our grandparents and
stuff and we would have to Driveup to the airport and buses
were sitting in front of wherewe're getting out and so I I
associated getting out of thecar and inhaling this big gust
of bus exhaust because they weresitting there idling With going
, going to visit family, goingon this trip.
(32:14):
So now every time I smell carexhaust or a bus exhaust Hmm, it
brings me back I get excited.
It's the weirdest thing.
It's like I start, I startGetting I don't know, just like
amped up for an adventure typeof thing.
So, but it brings me right backto JFK Airport.
Charles (32:30):
Yeah, okay, I can see that.
Yeah, jfk is the.
Dan (32:36):
I mean that's the main international flight right
before.
Charles (32:38):
Yeah, that was LaGuardia, I don't think.
I think it's just a domesticair back.
Dan (32:41):
I mean I'm a little bit old , so I think before there were a
lot of direct flights fromNewark.
From Newark, yeah, already itwas JFK, yeah, take that trip.
And we'd have to get thereeight hours early because, yeah,
my mom would freak because wehad.
Sometimes we went throughcustoms before we left and just,
I mean it was just, it was aprocess going in and out.
Charles (33:00):
How long would you go to Germany for?
Dan (33:02):
so it depended On the time of year, but usually if we went
during the summer or we had asummer break, we we were lucky
enough to go maybe six, eightweeks.
We stayed with the family andeverything else like that yeah.
I was.
I was really fortunate to beable to do that, and yeah it was
, it was.
It was definitely a learningexperience.
The first time I realized, hey,people outside of the country
(33:28):
have a perspective and theyasked me questions, right, and
it's completely different.
So it made me realize thethings that we hear, see.
An experience in this countryis a lot different.
And then there's so many otherWays to look at things.
Charles (33:42):
Yeah, for sure.
Dan (33:43):
That and they, just they made me think, and a lot of
times they knew a lot more aboutour government in our country
than I did and that or that Iremembered from history classes.
Charles (33:50):
Yeah, I mean you know, yeah, that totally makes sense.
I mean, when, when the UnitedStates is the driver of so many
events and policies in theWestern world, like smaller
countries, like they have to payattention to what's going on
over here because it, you knowit's gonna trickle down and
affect them, yeah, we kind ofjust can take it for granted.
You know America is the wayAmerica is and and also the.
Dan (34:12):
The fact is that they still looked at America or they still
do as a very young country.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah the, thecultures and traditions that
they have in place in Europe,especially that they've been
doing for hundreds, sometimesthousands of years, that that
doesn't exist in our country.
We're just not that old yet, sothey have a lot of like
curiosity in terms of why do youdo things this way?
(34:34):
And Sometimes you know there'sa little judgment there, like
we're a little excessive surewith with certain things, and
you know, why aren't you payingmore attention to certain things
like the environment, and whatare you doing to help you know?
So, yeah, it was.
It was definitely enlighteninggrowing up there.
Charles (34:53):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to my my first trip to
Germany, and try not to eateverything because it's all
gonna be good man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah I am.
I am looking.
I always look forward to thefood whenever I travel anywhere.
Dan (35:07):
I mean the, the kind of food that they have is and
what's nice, I mean, and justlike I think of Germany, you
know, alright, every, you think,okay, every little town has
makes its own beer, has somebrewery, right, but they also do
that with other food, likesausage, so they have their own
seasonings, their own way styleof making it or whatever.
So I'm excited whenever you'regoing someplace local, even if
(35:28):
you're going to a small littletown.
So hey, give me something youknow from, you know that's made
here or whatever, and usuallyit's freaking amazing and yeah,
yeah, that is one thing that Ihave, I have gotten on board
with.
Charles (35:39):
When I visit someplace I mean, even if I'm just going
to the Caribbean or somethinglike that, and I go to a
restaurant, I just tell thewaitress hey, just bring me your
favorite thing, I don't carewhat it is, I want to, I want to
try something that you, as alocal, enjoy.
Yeah, and I've never regrettedthat, yeah, that decision.
It's always been like, oh, thatwas really good, yeah, yeah,
that's great.
So, yeah, I'm looking forwardto it.
(36:01):
And, as I was telling you thismorning, you know, between now
and my trip, taylor Swift isgoing to release a brand new
album that I will hopefully getto hear some of the music from
On when I go see her in concert.
Oh, hopefully it's as good asyour other stuff that you like
sure it will be.
That's faith man, that's faith.
I mean, she doesn't put out badmusic, but yeah, I my my
appreciation for her music hascertainly grown in the last few
(36:23):
months.
But, and going to the movies tosee the, the concert movie that
she released, which I mean themovie was good, but even better
was the way that she released itwithout a studio.
She just went straight to thethe theaters and said, hey, I've
put this movie together, soinstead of selling it through a
studio, I'll just sell itdirectly to you, and that's what
made her billionaire.
(36:44):
That plus the, the tour itself.
So, definitely, smart, smartcookie.
Oh, yeah, for sure, and Iappreciate that.
So, okay, I think my message tothe men out there as far as
shaving is Don't shave the wayDan does, correct, don't, don't
make it a chore in a burden.
Yeah, figure out a way to enjoyit.
It takes some pleasure out ofit and spend, spend some money
(37:06):
on.
You know, whether it's a goodrazor or good Shaving cream or
good oil or whatever.
I love the art of shaving stuff.
I love the way it smells.
They're lavender stuff is myfavorite, but all their stuff
smells good and I've I've usedthe peppermint that that comes
out of the holidays.
The lemongrass, the lavender,the unscented.
(37:27):
I've used some of all of it andit's, it's good stuff, so I
recommend their products and Isupport that as well.
Dan (37:33):
Don't don't follow my example.
Follow Charles is becauseyou're gonna get a lot more
pleasure and enjoyment andbecause of that You're gonna
look a lot better by goingthrough these steps and and
really enjoying it.
Charles (37:45):
So I'm gonna isolate you, saying follow Charles's
example, so that like I'm gonnafeel free, I'm gonna put it on
the board, like Fred on theHoward Stern show had.
Dan (37:52):
Yeah, let's, yeah, let's spice it up.
Let's, let's start using thisthing.
Charles (37:56):
Whatever we have a disagreement about, any issue,
I'm just gonna hit.
Follow Charles's example, juststart pounding it.
Dan (38:02):
Let's do it, I'm all about it.
Charles (38:04):
All right, thanks, dan.
We'll talk next week on maskingand I will.
I will both use some masks.
I know we've, yeah, theNeutrogena masks that we ordered
when we started talking aboutthis book and putting together
our little kit for self-care onthe road.
And, yeah, next time we'll I'llhave a report to offer on these
masks about how, how good theyfeel and how effective I think
(38:26):
they are sounds good, sir Allright.
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Thanks, hey, Charles.
Good morning, Hello Dan.
(00:20):
How are you?
I am well Good.
How's, uh, how's life treatingyou Life?
Dan (00:26):
uh, life's treating me well , uh, how I'm reacting to it is
not as uh ideal as I have beenin the past.
Charles (00:32):
So that is a tough part .
Dan (00:34):
A challenge, so uh, but it's a learning experience and
it's reminding me to look andfocus on the essentials that are
able to uh support me when, uh,when I face some challenges and
stuff like that.
So, um, yeah, not to bring downthe podcast or anything in the
(00:55):
morning, but you're welcome.
Charles (00:58):
Um, how are you?
I'm good.
I, uh, I've been.
It's been a busy week.
I don't think we've talked onthe podcast since I came back
from Pennsylvania, have we?
Dan (01:09):
I don't think so.
We do need to talk about yourlittle furry friend.
Charles (01:13):
Yeah, I got to meet uh Punxsutani Phil.
Um, overall, I enjoyed the tripvery much.
Uh, the flights were very, verysmooth.
Uh, everything was on time.
I liked that.
Um, the weather was cold, butnot really cold, I mean.
It was it kind of hoveredaround freezing for the high and
then obviously below freezingfor the low, but didn't really
(01:35):
get my way.
I got um for my rental car.
I I got a brand new NissanRogue and boy that was.
That was pretty nice.
It had some features that I'mnot used to uh, heated seats,
heated steering wheel, adaptivecruise control.
Where he'd steering role isprobably nice in that weather.
(01:57):
That was nice.
Um, yeah, the adaptive cruisecontrol was nice, where just
kind of stays in your lane.
It leaves plenty of space forthe vehicle in front of you.
And uh, the only thing was, uh,I couldn't completely take my
hands off the wheel for morethan a few seconds because then
it would start warning me.
So I tried to figure out whatstuff I could put on the wheel
or in the gaps to make it thinkthat I was holding onto it.
(02:18):
So I could relax and didn'twork it out.
Dan (02:21):
but I'm sure, if I hit a really, but that's not a
self-driving car.
Charles (02:26):
I mean it could be if, uh, you know you're willing to
take it up risk.
Yeah, any car could beself-driving if you're brave
enough.
So not like the point where youcould strap a cinder block to
the gas pedal.
Exactly, basically yeah, yeah,if, uh, yeah it was it didn't
have the capability where Icould just put in an address and
(02:47):
then just kind of chill, uh,because it wouldn't, like you
know, do actual like turns, butit would stay within the lane
and give enough space andincrease, accelerate and
decelerate.
But uh, yeah.
So that was, that was kind offun.
I did, um, I did opt for theprepaid fuel option, which I
usually don't do, but I knew Iwas going to have to do quite a
bit of driving, so it was just amatter of tweaking my, you know
(03:10):
, using, using enough gas andputting in a little bit of gas
instead of a lot of gas before Idropped it off so that I was
right as close to empty aspossible.
And, uh, I did that, um, didnot.
Dan (03:23):
I mean, how much do they?
They ding you for a lot, or dothey?
Or have those prices come down?
Cause I thought like a prepaidfuel option is like no, it's six
dollars a gallon.
Charles (03:33):
No, no, no, no, no, no.
It saves you money.
The uh, the prepaid fuel optionis cheaper than the price at
the pump.
See, what they're doing isthey're gambling on the fact
that you're going to leave somegas in the tank.
Yeah, and so their price pergallon they actually have to use
to fill it up.
They'll make money on it,because enough people don't.
Yeah, you, it only works if you, really if you, if you, if it's
(03:55):
on fumes when you turn it backin, that's when it works for you
, and the rest of the time itworks for them because, they
charge you for a full tank ofgas Right Now if you close to
the pump price, is it?
it was a little below.
I believe it was 340 a gallonand I think what I saw up there
was a little bit higher thanthat.
Yeah, um, whereas if you don'tget the prepaid fuel option and
(04:17):
they have to fill it up for you,oh, that's when the that's when
it's $10 a gallon, yeah, sothat's that's when they really
get you, yeah.
Dan (04:24):
That one, I remember.
I always thought the prepaid,though, was still more than the
price at the pump, but I guessnot.
Charles (04:31):
No, it was, it was right at or slightly below.
Okay, um, but again, you know,they, they, it's like any
insurance, they.
They make money on most of thepeople that buy life insurance,
auto insurance, home insurance,the they, like I always say they
don't build those skyscrapersin Hartford, Connecticut, by
giving away more than they takein, right, yep.
And so the fuel options, thesame thing, where for most
(04:52):
people, the rental car companycomes out on top.
But I I knew I was doing enoughdriving where and I would
inconvenience.
I would go and put in adollar's worth of gas if I had
to, just so that I could pushthe car back in and get my full
benefit from the fuel option.
But I did skip the insurance.
Usually, if the uh lost damagewaiver is what I consider to be
(05:13):
a reasonable amount, I'll goahead and get that, because I
have used it once where I dingedup my car and basically just
handed them the keys and I waslike here's your car back.
Yep.
But they wanted $37 a day forthe lost damage waiver, which
was more than I paid for the car.
Dan (05:28):
The rental was less than that Holy cow.
So some credit cards.
I know America's Press has andI don't know if other cards do,
but you can uh if you rent thecar with that card yeah sign up
for their extra insurance.
It's extra.
It's not like part of the, the,the card, most cards.
They say they'll cover you butyou still have to go through
(05:50):
your insurance first.
This it's $25 per rental periodnot per day Nice Okay.
And it it goes first Interestingand so I've used that once
before and I use it now.
So if you have a card thatoffers that you just might, you
might need to call customerservice because it's not easy to
find not all cards make it thatobvious and available because
it's a great deal.
Charles (06:11):
Yeah, that is a great deal.
I'll I'll have to look in, Ithink I.
I think I put it on, yeah, myDiscover card, which is what I
use for renting cars, and Idon't know if they have that or
not, but I'll, I'll check, yeah.
Dan (06:21):
So they they see that it comes through a rental car
agency to automatically chargeit to the $25, but it's only for
that one period and then you'recovered and it's, it's just as
good as lost damage waiver.
Charles (06:31):
Yeah, that's.
That's the thing.
Where they get you on the lostdamage waiver is, if you damage
the car and you have autoinsurance, which in Florida
everybody has to, then your autoinsurance will pay for the
repair.
Where the rental car companiesget you as they say well, the
car was out of our rotation fortwo weeks so we couldn't rent it
to anybody, so you have to payus for the money that we lost,
the revenue we lost, that wecould have.
Dan (06:53):
Ah, yeah.
Charles (06:53):
Although I have heard that there are some ways to get
around that where basically andthe person who told me this had
to hire a lawyer basically thelawyer says okay, you need to
prove to us that you had enoughdemand, that that this not
having this, this exact caravailable, actually costs you
money.
And if the rental car companycan't prove that they lost money
, that that class or whateverwas completely booked out the
(07:15):
whole time it was being repaired, then they can't.
It's like you know when, if you, if you jet out on an apartment
lease early and they're like,well, you broke the lease, you
have to pay us.
It's like, yeah, but five dayslater you rented it to somebody
else, so you don't get to chargeme for the lost rent and then
also collect rent from a newperson.
Makes sense, you don't get tomake money on both Sure.
And so it's basically the sameprinciple with rental car.
(07:37):
If they say, well, we were outthis money, but you can, they
can't prove that they actuallyhad to say no to someone and
send them to Alamo or some otherrental car Mm-hmm.
Yeah, then that's cheating andthey're not allowed to do that.
Dan (07:50):
That's fair.
Charles (07:50):
I'm all about fairness, it was a great trip.
I really had a fun time.
The thing I did realize was Idid not have to go there as
early.
I was on the one and a halfmile walk to Gobler's Knob at
four in the morning and for theceremony that started at 7.20, I
could have just rolled in fiveminutes beforehand because I had
no interest in standing up atthe front anyway.
I just wanted to be there forthe whole experience and all
(08:13):
that, and you know I again it'snot seating, so we're standing
around anyway.
It's just standing around Like,and if you're solo, like I was,
and you're at the front, andthen you have to go get some
coffee or go pee, you're notgetting back to the front.
So I just checked out of thatwhole system and I was like I'm
going to stand toward the backof this crowd and, you know, I
always, or I have saidfrequently it's silly to boast
(08:35):
about something that you didn'tearn or you can't control.
I've got this 2010 vision thatI was born with and still here I
am, at a ripe old age of 46.
And I could still, you know, bea fighter pilot if it didn't
require anything but good vision.
So I'm fine standing at theback.
I can see everything reallywell that I would want to see.
So, being up front, you know,shoulder to shoulder with a
(08:56):
bunch of strangers from WesternPennsylvania, no thanks.
So I was in the back of thecrowd.
Dan (09:05):
Eastern Pennsylvania, that would have been a little bit
better.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Charles (09:08):
Those people are all right.
Those people would have beenbetter Not West Philadelphia
from.
I mean, I'm just basing thatcompletely off of the theme song
to Fresh Prince of Bel Air.
I don't know anything elsebeyond that, but I hear it's a
rough neighborhood.
Yeah, so I was far enough inthe back where I could lean up
against a tree.
I had my AirPods in, I waslistening to the Jack Reacher
(09:30):
book that will serve as the plotpoints for the upcoming third
season, and so I reacquaintedmyself with that novel and just
kind of zoned out, hung out, hadthe best cup of hot chocolate
I've ever had in my life, whichI found out after I was finished
consuming it.
It just came out of a packet ofSwiss mist, but I think it's
(09:50):
because it was cold, because ofthe environment.
Something about it justpsychologically felt like this
is the best cup of hot chocolateI've ever had in my life.
And I told you about the donuts.
They had jumbo Amish donuts,which I don't know exactly what
made it Amish, but very lightchocolate frosting on the
outside.
It was in a Claire, basically,with a very light chocolate
(10:12):
frosty on the outside and apeanut butter cream filling.
Wow, and that combo was realgood.
I don't like it when mychocolate overpowers my peanut
butter.
I want a little bit more peanutbutter than chocolate.
To be honest, I'm the same wayand it was quite good.
Got to take my selfie or itwasn't a selfie One of the crew
from the Groundhog Society thereare three of them actually, on
(10:35):
all different positions, takingpictures with Phil.
So after the ceremony is over,I waited and he was asleep.
He was tired out.
It was there's a lot of workpredicting the weather and got
my picture with him and it was.
It was a blast.
I'm so glad that I I've beentalking about doing it pretty
much since the Groundhog Daymovie came out, which I did
watch, start to finish.
(10:56):
After I got back to the hotelon Groundhog Day, I was like,
okay, I'm just going to nap andcatch up on my sleep, because I
my alarm went off at 2am thatmorning to get ready for this
thing.
And yeah, then I watched.
Groundhog Day still holds up,still is an amazing movie, and
yeah, it was, it was a good time.
So check, check the big one offthe bucket list.
Dan (11:15):
Nice Sounds like you got the full experience.
Charles (11:17):
I really, yeah, I did.
I think I think there wasprobably.
The full experience is gettingthere at 7 o'clock the night
before and just hanging out andstaying up all night, which they
can keep.
That I have no interest.
Dan (11:29):
Were there, people there that you met that said they were
there since 7 the night beforeI mean that I met implies that I
talked to anyone other thanother than people selling me
things.
Charles (11:41):
Yeah and no, that's not really my style, gotcha.
So yeah, I didn't.
Really I didn't, for I didn'tseek out any interaction with
other humans other than here'smy money.
Give me the thing that I'mbuying from you, all right.
Dan (11:52):
So, yeah, you didn't get the full experience.
I'd say you got 90% of things.
Charles (11:56):
Yeah, I.
I imagine some people wouldwould find the social aspect
valuable, hmm, but you know Ican serve those people weak no,
everybody that you know I had Ihad any brief Inconsequential
interactions with.
Seem nice, but yeah you know,I'm, I'm mostly looking to
(12:20):
listen to audiobooks and have abunch of thoughts kicking around
in my head, not really get Getacquainted with people.
So, and mission accomplished,all right.
So the next trip?
I don't know, I'm probably, I'mprobably gonna hold off on any
more travel until at least April.
But man, and then I got the thebig, the big European
(12:42):
expedition in August.
I was thinking about a secondtrip to Europe in September,
which Really crazy to go back toback like that unless I could
find a really great deal.
Okay so far, the only TonyRobbins Unleashed the power
within.
That is scheduled to take placein real life instead of virtual
(13:02):
.
Yeah, is in Cologne, germany,okay, and it's in September.
It's in September, so there maybe another one right around my
birthday.
There's going to be, but theyhaven't announced the location
yet.
Yeah, so I should probably signup for his email list so that I
find out what is that run pricewise, it's not crazy expensive,
it's.
It's it's around pod fest typemoney like four or five hundred
(13:25):
dollars, like for the cheapseats.
Yeah, okay, yeah, for the cheapseats, maybe, maybe it was wow,
that's 599 or 699 surprising,for it's only three days oh and,
yeah, I for Tony Robbins.
I feel like I know I'mconditioned to think of
everything in terms of what itcosts to go to like tech ed or
one of those like Microsoftevents or yeah, and those are
like I can't imagine what.
(13:46):
I haven't even looked.
I don't know what they'recharging now, but it used to be
like for a VIP to one of theMicrosoft events that I was
interested in.
It was like 39 hundred dollarsto go for like four or five days
, yeah, and compared to thestuff you and I attend now, it's
like everything seems cheap.
Dan (14:02):
Yeah, I mean it's different going business business versus
business, a consumer yeahexactly.
Charles (14:06):
Yeah, for sure.
But I am thinking about goingto Keto con again this year.
You'll be out of town, so I'llhave to consider, like I'll have
to consider, going solo, but Idid have a good time at it last
year.
I learned.
Dan (14:18):
It serves, I would absolutely go.
If I'm gonna be in town, I'llgo.
It's not solid that I'm gonnabe okay, so it's.
It's looking like I most likelywill be, but I had a great time
at Keto con very motivating,right?
Charles (14:31):
I mean you learn, learn a lot about I was talking about
all the free sausage.
Dan (14:33):
But you know, oh my gosh.
I forgot about that.
Charles (14:36):
Fresh cooked hot meat Fantastic man, and not once did
they give us the side eye forreturning and eating their
sausage over.
They were just excited.
Dan (14:46):
They were like you know what I and I have bought a lot
of that Ninemen Ranch.
Sausage yeah and they also sellit under a different brand at
Whole Foods.
Charles (14:56):
I have a freezer full of that, remember You'll you
open it up and you're like, oh,there's a sausage party.
The sausage party, yes in myfreezer.
Dan (15:04):
I'm dancing the sausage party, my freezer that it was
man.
Charles (15:07):
That's awesome.
What a great snack.
I mean, you know, I do that now.
Dan (15:11):
So I, when I'm trying to do Keto, I cook off all a whole
package and then I slice them upinto quarters and I keep them
in the fridge.
So by the time I'm fixing for areal meal, I can just grab one
of those little pieces ofsausage, pop it my mouth and,
you know, kind of hold me over.
So I don't make the worstdecisions ever when it comes to
(15:31):
me.
Charles (15:31):
Yeah, the meal itself that reminds me speaking of does
slow me down.
It's fantastic of cooking I.
I did pull the trigger on myConvection oven, toaster oven,
air fryer combo oh nice, and Iordered one of those two days
ago.
Okay, and I am, I'm reallylooking forward to getting that.
And well, I want to kick up ismy, my seafood, my fish and
(15:53):
poultry consumption, and notjust, you know, whenever I cook
meat for myself at home, it'salways burgers, and I think it's
kind of boring, or if I've, ifI've got an easier way to cook
up some chicken and turkey andquail and pheasant and and Order
a lot bunting.
Not gonna make any of that, butI will.
(16:15):
What?
What did you just say?
Order a lot bunting.
Dan (16:19):
It's a alright, is that?
Is that a new shoe brand?
Charles (16:21):
That's like blue on the bottom.
It's a really Lubitan.
Okay, sorry, how dare you.
It's a.
It's a really creepy delicacy,okay, where you you cook a whole
little bird in I believe, youdrown it and Some kind of a
(16:43):
liqueur and then you basicallyhold it by the beak and eat the
whole body at once.
Oh, wow, and it's traditionallyit's traditionally eaten with a
covering over your head.
Oh, Wait, yeah, we thought thatwas in the movie, wasn't that?
Dan (17:00):
or it was a terrible it might have been in Hannibal.
It was in Hannibal, or was itin Billions?
Charles (17:06):
it was in billions.
It was in billions, yes, and so, yeah, you cover your head with
a, with a towel, while you eatit, and it's like it's illegal,
isn't it?
Dan (17:15):
I think that's, that's what they were spinning it.
Charles (17:16):
I think it might right.
I don't know, I mean itprobably be.
I Mean to make it yourself.
Probably wouldn't be.
Dan (17:21):
I thought that's why you put the towel over your head.
Charles (17:24):
Oh, no, that's, that's because it's so indulgent.
You're basically ashamed in thepresence of God to do something
, so indulge it.
As to my gosh, as to eat thismeal, yeah, it's.
I heard a comic a few years agoreference it and I was like I
looked around like and I'm theonly guy here who's gonna get
what this guy's talking about Imean, maybe that's a little
(17:44):
judgmental in my part to it'slike, yeah, and because I think
it was before, it was inbillions.
Okay, and I don't rememberwhere I first heard about it,
but probably some deep, you knowYouTube rabbit hole, but anyway
.
So I will not be cooking thatin my ninja, in my ninja air
fryer, but I did get the onethat folds up, so it's space
(18:06):
saving, which is alwaysabsolutely important in my
surroundings.
All right, this is a chapter ofself-care for men that I have
been really looking forward to,because I love all things
shaving and man.
I started shaving when I waspretty young, mostly due to neck
beard situation that was where.
(18:28):
Okay, I came in first, oh yeah,oh, interesting, and it's the
worst.
So, yeah, I would get verythick, coarse hair on my neck
before I was able to grow a realbeard or even a goatee.
The yeah, I was neck beardfirst and then chin, then
(18:48):
mustache, then cheeks and thenthe connector between my
mustache and my goatee was thelast thing to come in.
Wow, yeah, I'm so waiting forthat to come in Any day now, Dan
any day.
Dan (18:58):
Yeah, I don't have my cheeks either, so yeah.
Charles (19:03):
Yeah, but I've tried everything.
As far as shaving technology, Ihave started probably with the,
I believe, the Gillette Sensor,their first one with sort of a
fancy handle and thenreplaceable cartridges.
That was really the dominantshaving technology when I
started, so that's what I used,the Gillette Sensor, and that's
(19:23):
what I actually still use today.
My current go-to is a GilletteSensor handle with the Gillette
Sensor XL cartridges, the Mach 3and the Fusion and all that
kind of stuff I was never reallyinto.
I was like this seems redundant.
I'm getting a great shave witha Gillette Sensor, so why do I
(19:45):
need 18 blades?
Dan (19:46):
Yeah, If it's working for you, then.
If it is working for you, thenwhy?
Charles (19:51):
And they just get more and more expensive and they seem
to last less and less length oftime and it's like, why do I
need five or six blades to goover in a single pass?
I don't, yeah.
I mean, if shaving your facewas a 45-minute job and you
could cut it in a quarter byhaving four blades, then I'd be
like, okay, yeah, maybe thismakes sense, but it doesn't work
(20:13):
that way.
So the Multi-Blade cartridgerazor is where I started.
I have tried the double-edgedsafety razor where you basically
screw it down like the old,like I think James Bond shaved
with one of those in one of theoriginal Sean Connery movies and
I tried that and it's prettygood.
You can get a good shave withthose.
(20:33):
I like them.
I have done the straight razorYourself on your razor oh yeah,
yeah, okay.
I got one years and years ago.
That was the kind where you hadto like use the stone and use
the strop and all that stuff,and that was just too much work.
(20:55):
So now the one that I currentlyhave is basically it's a
replaceable one, where you pinchthe end of it and the blade
comes out and then you put a newone in, but it's still just one
and it requires the same levelof skill to pull it off.
I like it.
I like it to be somewhat of ameditative process, like like
driving, like riding amotorcycle or flying a plane,
(21:17):
where you kind of have to focus100% on the thing that you're
doing.
So it's kind of calming to bethat focused, but it does take a
longer amount of time to usethan any of the other options.
But it does give a very closeshave and it feels good and you
can't really skimp on any of theprocess where I, if I'm going
to give myself a straight razorshave, I'm going to use the
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pre-shave oil, and well, firstI'm going to steam my face and
then I'm going to do thepre-shave oil, then I'm going to
work to.
You know the I've got the mugwith the cream or the lather and
the brush.
And yeah, you have to.
You have to go through all thesteps and you have to be serious
about all the steps to get yourface very wet and very slick so
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that the straight razor movesvery easily on your skin and
then and then you know aftershave at the end and all that,
and it's fun, like if I'm goingout for a night out or something
and I want to pamper myself alittle bit.
I'll still do it occasionally,but it's only probably once.
A quarter is about as often asI do it.
Dan (22:17):
Yeah, I think that's great because it separates the world
from what you're currently doingLike you said, you have to
focus on it, and it also setsyour mind for the right
intention for that evening aswell.
Charles (22:30):
I feel like it calms you down.
Dan (22:32):
It probably helps you focus a little bit and just really be
able to feel you know where youare in the world and where you
are in your body and then alsohelps it helps you have much
better time at whatever event.
Charles (22:44):
I agree.
Yeah, you're investing in yourappearance and your feelings.
Dan (22:48):
It's like people playing music before you know, getting
dressed before they go out.
Charles (22:51):
So, yeah.
Dan (22:52):
So you're really being intentional as a daily practice
or a weekly practice.
That is way too much work forme and if I'm going to do it, I
would go to get a professionaldone.
Oh yeah yeah, my handsdefinitely not like a surgeon
and I would coming out.
So one of the pieces of advicehe talks about here is, if you
are going to do this for aspecial event like a wedding,
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he's like, do it.
Charles (23:12):
The day before because you might end up coming and
stuff getting some nicks, or youknow, he's got hairs.
Yeah, if I'm either going outwith friends and I expect a lot
of picture taking or even I'mgetting my headshots done, my
beard doesn't grow so quicklythat I can easily.
Is that like Homer Simpson?
No, definitely not.
Yeah, yeah, I can shave thenight as you walked out of the
(23:33):
bathroom.
I can shave the night beforeand still the next morning look
like I just shaved, but withnone of the scabs or any of the
irritation or anything like that.
So I would always say, yeah, ifyou're anticipating having your
picture taken, whether you use astraight razor or really any
kind of shaving, just to be safe, do it the night before, unless
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your hair grows super fast andsuper thick.
But even then, I mean, 12 hoursof stubble isn't going to look
bad in really any professionalor recreational circumstance.
So if I was getting married inthe morning, I would still shave
my face the night before.
And yeah, if it looks like I'vegot a little bit of growth, ok,
so what?
But yeah, that that's the.
(24:15):
I have tried an electric razorand I've noticed that the, the
rotary style where it's got likethe three circles, those do not
work on my hair at all.
Dan (24:26):
Yeah, I think I tried that when I was a kid and it did not.
Charles (24:29):
It did not get the job done.
Dan (24:31):
If it did, it felt like it pulled it out.
Charles (24:33):
It didn't even cut it Never got like close enough to
me and all the hairs for me.
Yeah, what has worked?
I've tried the, the brawn stylewith like the, the screens and
those do a pretty good job on me, but I just enjoy the, the
shaving, especially now I.
I keep a stubbly beard, atleast sometimes I grow my beard
(24:57):
longer than this, and so I'mreally only doing my neck and my
cheeks anyway.
So I like the blade experience.
I would never trade it for a,for an electric.
What about you?
You, what do you?
What kind of?
Dan (25:11):
I I've fallen in for the marketing for Gillette.
I get the the latest gadgetright so whether it's more
blades, whether it's vibrating.
You put a battery in it, it'sgot the two strips of.
Charles (25:23):
You know the lubricant or whatever that.
Dan (25:25):
I don't need Really right.
And I'll be honest with you,I'm like looking at all like all
the procedures in this chapterin terms of, like you said, you
know putting on the, the beardoil and, and you know, getting
the shaving cream.
I don't grow that much hair andso I just need a little bit of
a trim.
I don't use shaving cream.
I sometimes I shave cream.
Yep, sometimes I won't even doit after the shower because
(25:47):
because they talk about you wantto, you know, open up your
pores and make it.
I don't even do that becausesometimes I feel like I don't
get a good enough grip, so Iwill do it like dry, with your
face dry.
My face dry and then I'll putin some.
I might put on some aftershaveafter that.
Bad little little moisturizerand I'll be honest with you, for
(26:08):
me I don't get that much joy.
And out of the whole process ofshaving, yeah, just a pain for
me.
OK it just kind of gets in theway because first of all it
doesn't grow in evenly for me.
So for me it's more of like aI'm trying to not look like a
dirty, homeless person,basically, and so I'm kind of
just cleaning up what I havehere and then I'll just use the
(26:30):
like the hair, like the hairtrimmer from Braun on my beard a
little bit and just to kind oftrim that up and stuff.
So I keep it as simple aspossible.
But that's not something again,I love, you know, I love
getting massages.
I love getting, you know,pedicures.
I like it.
That's how I will care formyself in that way.
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Shaving is just not been one ofthose things, and anytime I've
gotten like a straight razorshave, that's good.
Just ask you about that.
Yeah, makes me a little nervous.
Oh, really, yeah, it does,because like you get close to
the carotid artery there withwith a blade, you know so.
And I've had doctors mess upprocedures on me when I've had
conversations with them andthey've been like distracted.
Charles (27:14):
Oh really.
Dan (27:15):
So they screwed up my toenails Do.
I always get some work done onthat.
They drop acid on on more ofthe nail than they were supposed
to.
Totally screwed up my toenails.
So for me, I'm just kind of.
For me, I'm just kind of get inand get out, and that's it.
What was interesting to me tolearn in this chapter was that
Alexander the Great was the onewho started this, according to
(27:36):
this guy.
Yeah, basically to get hissoldiers to shave so that their
beards wouldn't be pulled inbattle.
And I was like, oh, that isinteresting Very interesting.
Charles (27:46):
Yeah, and I think yeah, I mean because it could be.
I wonder what about their?
The hair on their head, Didthey?
Dan (27:54):
right, did they shave?
Charles (27:55):
their heads too, cuz that's a.
Dan (27:57):
Back then I feel like all it's all the TV shows and movies
.
They all had kind of like longhair, and yeah, exactly.
So, interesting.
Charles (28:04):
Yeah, I could see a completely hairless man, I
suppose would be.
Dan (28:07):
Very aerodynamic aerodynamic slide in and out of
different grips and holds yeah,I mean sells with oil.
Well, a lot of UFC firefighters, right?
True, yeah, yeah thing, youknow, with swimmers trying to
make themselves move morequickly through the water.
So yeah, so I don't have a muchof a routine.
I think the polar opposite ofthis extreme of a routine,
(28:30):
that's yeah, that's sointeresting.
Charles (28:32):
Yeah, opposites in other areas, but I like all the
detailed process and shaving.
My go-to Shaving gel right nowis there's a sensitive skin
formula by edge, which I used toalways be a snob and kind of
look down on edge I I prefer theGillette shaving gel in the can
Okay, the edge, but From what Ican tell, gillette is not
(28:54):
making a completely dye free,fragrance free version and edge
is and we've talked about that abajillion times that I, yeah, I
like fragrance free, everythingexcept my expensive cologne
that I like.
And, yeah, edge edge has a asensitive skin formula.
Where it works, it gets the jobdone and it doesn't have any
dyes or perfumes or anything.
So I use that now.
(29:14):
Yeah, just used it this morningas a matter of fact to shave
and I like it a lot.
Now for my straight razoraction I've got a Can of the art
of shaving cream and they it'sthe one they only sell around
Christmas.
It's peppermint.
Dan (29:30):
Oh, nice Pepper smells good all year.
Charles (29:32):
Yeah, you don't you don't need to.
Just you know, use peppermint.
It does smell just like a candycane, but you don't.
But you know everything.
Peppermint smells like a candycane, but so I use it year-round
and then I just skip.
I skip any additional Cologneon on days when I decide to do
the straight razor shave, mm-hmm.
I have been skipping thecologne last couple days too,
because I'm using my banana, oatmilk Fancy soap that I bought
(29:56):
at Whole Foods.
That was my, my last Self-carepurchase.
Okay, and that boy, that stuff.
It smells good and it feelsreally good.
I, I may, I may always keep oneof those bars of fancy soap in
my shower to to treat myself.
They have some other, someother scents that I really like
a lot too.
Dan (30:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think the overarching theme with this book
is Having those littleself-care Items like yeah your
soap.
Sometimes that's enough tochange your mindset From what
was the way this sucks?
Yeah, I'm.
I don't see a way out of thisto oh, just all it is is just a
(30:40):
pattern interrupts.
Sometimes it's not even like ohyeah.
I feel so much better.
It's just a it just stop andmake you think and just kind of
reanalyze and oh wait, there'sanother choice here.
I don't have to be kind of keepit going, keep going down this
path.
Charles (30:52):
Yeah, and and just you know a little extra.
Just putting that bar up to mynose and smelling it before it's
like, oh, it's not it couldbring back some memory
Absolutely so.
Dan (31:01):
I was listening to a book the other day.
It's called the hunger habit byJudd.
Nelson not Judd Nelson.
Remember, I'll remember later,but but he's.
He's a psychologist,psychiatrist, okay, and he
studies.
He studies addiction, and whathe said was the sense of smell
(31:23):
is the only one of our fivesenses that has direct access to
our brain.
Charles (31:28):
I believe it and and man, nothing brings back a
memory.
Oh my gosh will trigger?
Dan (31:33):
will trigger good feelings, yes, or bad feelings, or
memories?
You faster than the smell, andfor me it's.
Bus exhaust, so I may havetalked about this on that I
don't remember that, so as a kid.
Uh-huh we go, went to visitfamily in Germany and it was
like once a year we would go andwe take a, we take a family.
(31:53):
My mom was from over there, sowe go see our grandparents and
stuff and we would have to Driveup to the airport and buses
were sitting in front of wherewe're getting out and so I I
associated getting out of thecar and inhaling this big gust
of bus exhaust because they weresitting there idling With going
, going to visit family, goingon this trip.
(32:14):
So now every time I smell carexhaust or a bus exhaust Hmm, it
brings me back I get excited.
It's the weirdest thing.
It's like I start, I startGetting I don't know, just like
amped up for an adventure typeof thing.
So, but it brings me right backto JFK Airport.
Charles (32:30):
Yeah, okay, I can see that.
Yeah, jfk is the.
Dan (32:36):
I mean that's the main international flight right
before.
Charles (32:38):
Yeah, that was LaGuardia, I don't think.
I think it's just a domesticair back.
Dan (32:41):
I mean I'm a little bit old , so I think before there were a
lot of direct flights fromNewark.
From Newark, yeah, already itwas JFK, yeah, take that trip.
And we'd have to get thereeight hours early because, yeah,
my mom would freak because wehad.
Sometimes we went throughcustoms before we left and just,
I mean it was just, it was aprocess going in and out.
Charles (33:00):
How long would you go to Germany for?
Dan (33:02):
so it depended On the time of year, but usually if we went
during the summer or we had asummer break, we we were lucky
enough to go maybe six, eightweeks.
We stayed with the family andeverything else like that yeah.
I was.
I was really fortunate to beable to do that, and yeah it was
, it was.
It was definitely a learningexperience.
The first time I realized, hey,people outside of the country
(33:28):
have a perspective and theyasked me questions, right, and
it's completely different.
So it made me realize thethings that we hear, see.
An experience in this countryis a lot different.
And then there's so many otherWays to look at things.
Charles (33:42):
Yeah, for sure.
Dan (33:43):
That and they, just they made me think, and a lot of
times they knew a lot more aboutour government in our country
than I did and that or that Iremembered from history classes.
Charles (33:50):
Yeah, I mean you know, yeah, that totally makes sense.
I mean, when, when the UnitedStates is the driver of so many
events and policies in theWestern world, like smaller
countries, like they have to payattention to what's going on
over here because it, you knowit's gonna trickle down and
affect them, yeah, we kind ofjust can take it for granted.
You know America is the wayAmerica is and and also the.
Dan (34:12):
The fact is that they still looked at America or they still
do as a very young country.
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah the, thecultures and traditions that
they have in place in Europe,especially that they've been
doing for hundreds, sometimesthousands of years, that that
doesn't exist in our country.
We're just not that old yet, sothey have a lot of like
curiosity in terms of why do youdo things this way?
(34:34):
And Sometimes you know there'sa little judgment there, like
we're a little excessive surewith with certain things, and
you know, why aren't you payingmore attention to certain things
like the environment, and whatare you doing to help you know?
So, yeah, it was.
It was definitely enlighteninggrowing up there.
Charles (34:53):
Yeah, I'm looking forward to my my first trip to
Germany, and try not to eateverything because it's all
gonna be good man.
Yeah, yeah, yeah I am.
I am looking.
I always look forward to thefood whenever I travel anywhere.
Dan (35:07):
I mean the, the kind of food that they have is and
what's nice, I mean, and justlike I think of Germany, you
know, alright, every, you think,okay, every little town has
makes its own beer, has somebrewery, right, but they also do
that with other food, likesausage, so they have their own
seasonings, their own way styleof making it or whatever.
So I'm excited whenever you'regoing someplace local, even if
(35:28):
you're going to a small littletown.
So hey, give me something youknow from, you know that's made
here or whatever, and usuallyit's freaking amazing and yeah,
yeah, that is one thing that Ihave, I have gotten on board
with.
Charles (35:39):
When I visit someplace I mean, even if I'm just going
to the Caribbean or somethinglike that, and I go to a
restaurant, I just tell thewaitress hey, just bring me your
favorite thing, I don't carewhat it is, I want to, I want to
try something that you, as alocal, enjoy.
Yeah, and I've never regrettedthat, yeah, that decision.
It's always been like, oh, thatwas really good, yeah, yeah,
that's great.
So, yeah, I'm looking forwardto it.
(36:01):
And, as I was telling you thismorning, you know, between now
and my trip, taylor Swift isgoing to release a brand new
album that I will hopefully getto hear some of the music from
On when I go see her in concert.
Oh, hopefully it's as good asyour other stuff that you like
sure it will be.
That's faith man, that's faith.
I mean, she doesn't put out badmusic, but yeah, I my my
appreciation for her music hascertainly grown in the last few
(36:23):
months.
But, and going to the movies tosee the, the concert movie that
she released, which I mean themovie was good, but even better
was the way that she released itwithout a studio.
She just went straight to thethe theaters and said, hey, I've
put this movie together, soinstead of selling it through a
studio, I'll just sell itdirectly to you, and that's what
made her billionaire.
(36:44):
That plus the, the tour itself.
So, definitely, smart, smartcookie.
Oh, yeah, for sure, and Iappreciate that.
So, okay, I think my message tothe men out there as far as
shaving is Don't shave the wayDan does, correct, don't, don't
make it a chore in a burden.
Yeah, figure out a way to enjoyit.
It takes some pleasure out ofit and spend, spend some money
(37:06):
on.
You know, whether it's a goodrazor or good Shaving cream or
good oil or whatever.
I love the art of shaving stuff.
I love the way it smells.
They're lavender stuff is myfavorite, but all their stuff
smells good and I've I've usedthe peppermint that that comes
out of the holidays.
The lemongrass, the lavender,the unscented.
(37:27):
I've used some of all of it andit's, it's good stuff, so I
recommend their products and Isupport that as well.
Dan (37:33):
Don't don't follow my example.
Follow Charles is becauseyou're gonna get a lot more
pleasure and enjoyment andbecause of that You're gonna
look a lot better by goingthrough these steps and and
really enjoying it.
Charles (37:45):
So I'm gonna isolate you, saying follow Charles's
example, so that like I'm gonnafeel free, I'm gonna put it on
the board, like Fred on theHoward Stern show had.
Dan (37:52):
Yeah, let's, yeah, let's spice it up.
Let's, let's start using thisthing.
Charles (37:56):
Whatever we have a disagreement about, any issue,
I'm just gonna hit.
Follow Charles's example, juststart pounding it.
Dan (38:02):
Let's do it, I'm all about it.
Charles (38:04):
All right, thanks, dan.
We'll talk next week on maskingand I will.
I will both use some masks.
I know we've, yeah, theNeutrogena masks that we ordered
when we started talking aboutthis book and putting together
our little kit for self-care onthe road.
And, yeah, next time we'll I'llhave a report to offer on these
masks about how, how good theyfeel and how effective I think
(38:26):
they are sounds good, sir Allright.
Talk to you soon.
Bye, bye, wow, you made itthrough the whole thing, so you
must like us at least a littlebit, in which case you should
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