M.A.S.K., Thundercats, and Mego Toys (with Kevin Abrams!)

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It's M.A.S.K. Episode 38 - "The Curse of Solomon's Gorge." After Scott and T-Bob are left to wander the desert alone, the predictable happens - T-Bob falls down a well, Scott and T-Bob are almost crushed to death, and Scott nearly drowns. But somehow, Matt Trakker evades the clutches of child protective services once again.

Writer, director, musician, and novelist Kevin Abrams joins us for a wide-ranging discussion that covers M.A.S.K., his love of Thundercats, and his family connections to legendary toy company Mego Toys. 

Kevin's first novel - Mt. Forgotten - will be released later this month. You can also check out some of his incredible films, which are available to stream on Amazon.com:

• I Got A Monster (2023), a documentary on the Baltimore Gun Trace Task Force
• Marisol (2023), a coming-of-age drama about an undocumented woman who is falsely accused of a crime

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Episode Transcript

Adam (00:12):
Welcome to the Mobile Armored Podcast show, the
podcast that transforms into abootleg Indiana Jones Adventure.
My name is Adam Moore, alongsidethe co-host and best friend PJ
McNerney.
How's it going today, pj?

PJ (00:29):
I am doing well and I'm excited for this episode.
one interesting fact that theaudience will not have known is
that, we actually recorded thisonce before, but there was some
audio problems,

Adam (00:43):
I wanna point out, this is the type of dedication we have
to our craft we will talk aboutepisode 38 of Mask Twice.
We recorded the entire episodeand had to re-record it.
But, um, that happened.
Then spring, you know, we took avery extended spring break and
had some time to think about,what direction we wanna take the
podcast in now that we've hitthe midpoint of the series,

(01:07):
right?
So what do we want to do?
And we thought about switchingup the format a little bit,
because people are sick of thetwo of us making each other
laugh

PJ (01:17):
I am not,

Adam (01:18):
No,

PJ (01:18):
other people probably.

Adam (01:19):
but others are.
and we wanna bring in othervoices to, elevate the
discourse, which is why we'rebringing in screenwriter,
director, musician and novelist.
Kevin Abrams to the show.
Kevin, how's it going?

Kevin (01:35):
What's up world and graphic novelists, Mr.
Moore, because I remember youand I publishing a couple of
graphic novels together, sir.
So let's not forget that.
Resume builder.

Adam (01:47):
I wanna point out that, pertinent to our show, which, is
a, you know, a podcast about acartoon series that Adver ties
toys in the eighties.
You have a family connection tothe Great Migo Toy Company.

Kevin (02:02):
Yes, that was my family's toy company.
My uncle Martin Abrams was theCEO.
My dad was in charge ofmanufacturing and sales and
they, they in the seventies werevery much one of the first
people to spearhead looking attoys and media and content
together.
my uncle developed toys like SkyDancer and Dragonflies and

(02:23):
Visionaries, which were allpredicated under the notion of
toy half hour cartoon, go tellyour parents to buy something.

Adam (02:31):
Migo also have both DC and Marvel at the beginning?

Kevin (02:35):
they were the original beast.
They had DC Marvel, Star Trekand Planet of the Apes,

Adam (02:39):
right.

Kevin (02:40):
and most importantly, wonder Woman and, Farrah Faucet.
They had a Farrah Faucet dollthat a Cher Doll.
They had a greatest Americanhero doll.
They had Starsky and Hutch loveboat.
I mean, any seventies mediaextravaganza you can think of.
They try to put theirfingerprints on the black hole,
which is a secret favoritesci-fi movie of mine,

Adam (03:01):
we're really, really excited to have you on this
adventure now.
Tell us about, mask.
How did you watch it when youwere young or is coming on this
podcast,

Kevin (03:10):
definitely on.

Adam (03:12):
to it.

Kevin (03:12):
No, it was on the rotation.
It was inevitable for it not tobe.
You come home three 30, you knewwhat was going on locally.
Channel five or 11 where I live,being in New Jersey, so it was
in the rotation.
Was I a huge fan of it?
No, I always thought it was sortof cool, but that was, I think
more a residual effect of mejust staying away from toy
related stuff.

(03:33):
Like, I know I probably soundlike an obnoxious brat, but
growing up in it, I could notgive a crap about toys or any of
that stuff.
I was like baseball, basketball.
And my dad would come home withliterally bags of GI Joes, like
you know, Just not in theirplastic thing.
He'd hand me like 250, he'd belike, here.
And I'd be like, awesome.

(03:53):
That's great.
And I mean, I remember oncecoming home to the seven foot
battle carrier.

Adam (03:58):
way.

Kevin (03:58):
Like constructed waiting for me in my bedroom and playing
with it for like six minutes andbeing like, cool, and then
forgetting about it.
it just wasn't like, I justwasn't a toy kid which I know is
weird being from a toy family,but, you sort of rebel against
what's presented in front ofyou.
my favorite ones were actuallyweirder.
I was obsessed with like thegummy bear one'cause I just love

(04:20):
that opening theme song.
And I was obsessed with gummybears in generals.
we watched a lot of, an maniacsand like stuff like that.
my sister was huge on carebears, and then of course for me
the ultimate was Thundercats.
That was the one I religiouslywatched

Adam (04:37):
good.

Kevin (04:37):
and wanted to be lion o very badly and hang out with
Pantera and that badass crew.

PJ (04:43):
We all had a crush on Chiara.
Okay,

Kevin (04:45):
I mean, I'm not gonna go there'cause my wife may hear
this, but my wife is the humanversion of Jatara.
Let's just put it that way.

Adam (04:53):
Well, why don't we, segue, into the episode here.
It's episode 38.
The Curse of Solomon's Gorge,mask goes to Africa to stop
venom.
Who has discovered King'sSolomon's treasures?
we open in the wilds of Africain a campsite with canvas tents,
and we've got these typicalBritish imperialists who are

(05:14):
discussing a gold scarab.
That quote probably brought downhere by Arab traitors long after
the reign of the pharaohs,

Kevin (05:23):
Yeah.
the color choice too is veryinteresting for these
characters.
It's like this orangeish sort ofbrown, which I would've loved to
be in that conversation.
Like two brown, two orange, oh,there we go.
That's the Arab color thatrepresents the dark continent.
It's like a very bizarredecision.

PJ (05:43):
I love that you think they had a conversation rather than
just like

Kevin (05:47):
Listen, there's no credit for a writer.
I went to IMDB Pro and there'sno credit for a writer.
Is that commonplace on the wholeseries?

PJ (05:55):
there's very few episodes you can actually pinpoint a
writer on.
We've seen a couple, but

Kevin (06:00):
Mm-hmm.

PJ (06:01):
few and far between.

Adam (06:02):
the

Kevin (06:02):
So everybody was paid in cash

Adam (06:04):
Yeah, one of the,

Kevin (06:05):
Give me the episode.
I'll give you the$400.

Adam (06:09):
or Koch whatever they wanted back then.
But you know who one of thewriters was and we can't confirm
that he was or was not on drugs.
It's Chuck, Lori was one of thewriters of masks.

Kevin (06:18):
I saw that.
That's incredible.
I'm hoping to confirm he was ondrugs.
I know he is sober now, so itcould have been during his fun
period.

Adam (06:25):
well, suddenly the water level in the well nearby starts
to drop and one of those localssays the curse SAA is coming,
and it freaks them all out theyall start running except like
the British imperialists, And,they're telling'em like, it's
saa, angry.
We have defiled his land.
This British dude's like, don'tbe ridiculous.

(06:48):
Like, obviously don't trust thesimple-minded locals, which for
me, that's a Buddy Hawksnomination for Dr.
Britt here.
and for tho and, and for

PJ (06:56):
Huge.

Adam (06:56):
don't know,

PJ (06:57):
Yeah.

Adam (06:57):
Hawks nomination is for the, most racist comment.

Kevin (07:02):
Oh no, I'm caught up.
I love your Roy Battynominations.
You got your buddy Hawks.
I also think we should point outhow they already also made
caricatures of the Britishpeople, they literally look like
the most cliched version.
Of a 1940s British action filmstarring Ronald Coleman.
They're in safari gear withsafari tents.

(07:24):
It's like as cliched sort of animperial slick you can give to a
bri

PJ (07:28):
I think they referenced the movie Gungadin to pull out this
art direction.

Kevin (07:33):
I mean, it's incredible and I love the random shot of
the jungle cat that seems tosomehow open the show, which was
interesting

Adam (07:41):
whose eyes, whose

Kevin (07:42):
Yeah.

Adam (07:43):
as the camera goes by.

Kevin (07:44):
Yes.
For a desert set adventure.

Adam (07:47):
I guess it's hard to say where we really are.

PJ (07:51):
Is it a desert?
Is it lush?
They just refer to it as Africa.

Kevin (07:55):
I also love the screenwriting shorthand of just
opening someplace without anexplanation as to how they got
there, where they are.

Adam (08:02):
every single episode of this show, there is no
explanation well, actually, I'lltake that back but there's no
kind of real world reason whyScott, Matt and t Bobb are
wherever they are, except whatwe will find out in about half
the episodes is that they knewVenom was operating in the area,
and so they went on vacation toItaly because they knew Venom

(08:25):
was operating in the area.

Kevin (08:27):
Well, I look forward to actually discussing that when we
get to that reveal in thisepisode.
'cause once again, thescreenwriting shorthand is very
short.

Adam (08:37):
well just to wrap up with the Brits here, they look down
in the gorge, their vehicles aregone, which seems to be the most
shocking thing of all.
Funny.
We had paid for the extrainsurance.
meanwhile, Matt, Alex, Scott,and tva are in Thunder Hawk and
they're riding inside a herd ofrhinos, like a galloping herd of

(09:01):
rhinos.
It seems very safe.

PJ (09:04):
I wonder because Matt knows he can transform his car into a
jet at any time.
many times does Matt actually dosomething dangerous like this
with his kid?
Like, Hey, guess what we can do?
just ride in this herd ofrhinos.
Fuck the fact that we'reprobably on some wildlife

(09:25):
preserve and these areendangered.
let's just go ahead and do this'cause it is awesome and I'm a
billionaire.

Adam (09:31):
wildlife preserve, he can do whatever he wants.

Kevin (09:35):
I mean, once again, screenwriting, shorthand, like
what the f How'd they get there?
I mean, usually you establishsomething like this, but I love,
that everything happens sort oflike Med Rez, like we're
literally meeting them in themiddle of this action sequence
that doesn't remotely feel likean action sequence.

Adam (09:53):
it's just what they do on a daily basis.
inside Thunder Hawk, TBOsneezes.
Scott says, are you still upsetthat you missed your proto
service checkup?
So it turns out that TBO has theflu, which stands for Faulty
Linkage Unit, but there's thispoint where Tbo spells it out,
he says, FLU.
And it's pretty clear what he isreally trying to say to Scott

(10:15):
there

Kevin (10:16):
there's a lot of weird subtext of the relationship in
this episode.
It's feeling more like husbandand wife than like best friend.

Adam (10:24):
Yeah.

Kevin (10:25):
Especially when you get to that section where he's
complaining about how Scott getswhen he is sick.
Like I've literally had thatsame exact conversation with my
wife.
I actually think I had it twodays ago, and she was like, were
you sick?
I'm like, oh my god.
T Bobb.
What's going on here?
Are we heavy petting, like thisis on the border?

PJ (10:42):
Okay, Kevin, we're gonna make it worse in this moment
right now because, uh, thatmight be Scott's best friend or
spouse.
We do know that Scott built tBobb and

Kevin (10:53):
read that.

PJ (10:54):
so whatever behavior is in there is what Scott has

Kevin (11:00):
I don't blame Scott.
I got a suspect at best Dad.
I don't really have a mom inthis situation.
I'm going through puberty.
I saw weird science.
I'd probably create a variationon this.
I wouldn't use metals, but I getwhere he's going.

Adam (11:15):
the egg shaped, Uh, well, thunder Hawk arrives at the
campsite where our clicheBritish imperialists are
waiting.
they point down into the gorgeand we see these four vehicles
Pancaked against the wall of thegorge.
And Matt says, lucky thing, youweren't down there T bobb, we
probably wouldn't even be ableto find you.
And I was just curious, why doesMatt single out tbo

PJ (11:34):
I think the presumption is either you're really a vehicle.
We would've just parked you withthe rest of the vehicles because
you're not alive, or this thingonly affects metal.

Adam (11:44):
How little Matt cares about tbo.
now we cut down to the

PJ (11:48):
I.

Adam (11:48):
in their investigating, the British imperialist
continues insisting that thelocals are idiots.
He's like, they kept yellingabout ulua.
It's all superstitious rubbish.
Really?
And Matt agrees.
He's like, yeah, it is.
So we got just buddy Hawks allover the place here.

PJ (12:04):
So Kevin,

Kevin (12:06):
Mm-hmm.

PJ (12:06):
go into the woods and you have locals there that tell you,
something bad's gonna happen,and then 10 minutes later your
vehicle is destroyed.

Kevin (12:16):
Mm-hmm.

PJ (12:16):
your first reaction gonna be, ah, that's superstitious,
rubbish.

Kevin (12:22):
I mean, fuck.
Yeah.
Who can I blame?
This Buddy Hawks thing that youguys are doing is sort of genius
because there's a lot of realitychecking going on into what I
think is like, once again, thisshortcut thing that the
screenwriters are consistentlydoing, which is like, what can
we do to serve up the mostobvious representation of
something so we can get onto themost obvious conclusion so we

(12:42):
can get into the next point.
And it's like, I mean, I sort ofwish I could write that way now.
It's really fast and efficient.

Adam (12:52):
It's first idea world here.
It's just like,

Kevin (12:55):
Yes,

Adam (12:56):
this, this'll work.
Yeah, this'll work.
Yeah, this'll work.

Kevin (13:00):
completely.
And lunch

Adam (13:02):
So the only clues that they're working from right now
is that the water level droppedin the well right before this
craziness happened, and there'sthis, gold scarab that we had
seen in the beginning.
Dr.
British says, never in the analsof the tracker archeological
project has an object of thisnature been found so far south

(13:23):
on the African continent.

PJ (13:24):
Did you guys wonder how far south they were because.

Kevin (13:28):
That is the massive question because Egypt is not
south.

Adam (13:31):
No.

PJ (13:32):
No, it is very northern af.
It's like in the northeastcorner of Africa, the continent,
not the country folks.
this felt like the borderbetween maybe the Sahara and the
jungle.

Kevin (13:46):
There was a lot of geographical questions Africa,
very travel able.
You can do it all in a day.
It's like that's the one thingthey got right.
It's very efficientlymanageable.
I've done north to South Africain like 10 hours, It's super
accessible.

Adam (14:00):
when you got a fly in Camaro.
I mean,

Kevin (14:03):
Oh dude.
I mean he obviously took a lotof pit stops with his flying
Camaro.
Lunch in Ethiopia, gents.
Sure thing.

Adam (14:12):
Well anyways, you know, they're talking about all this
stuff and Alex believes thatfinding the scab could give
credence to the theory of thelost tribe of Egypt.
Uh, once again, Mr.
Brit poops all over that ideaand says that is nothing but a
legend and a silly onet that, sojust, he has a complete disdain
for this culture that he'sstudying, and it's really
shocking.

(14:33):
Why is he even out here?

Kevin (14:34):
this episode, does it qualify as it presented by Buddy
Hawk's episode?
Does it get the Global BuddyHawk stamp?

PJ (14:44):
and here's

Kevin (14:44):
Okay.

PJ (14:45):
because there's an earlier episode where Buddy Hawks
appeared, in Brown face,

Kevin (14:52):
Oh my God.

PJ (14:53):
as he was walking into an Australian village.
unfortunately, Kevin, hate totell you this, it's not the
worst one in the world.

Adam (15:02):
This is

Kevin (15:02):
Wow.

Adam (15:03):
to,

PJ (15:04):
This is mild

Kevin (15:04):
Wow.
So this is the, this is the nonsspicy version of, of this order.

PJ (15:10):
Yes.
I wonder, do you think that,Alex is here to help translate
Dr.
British for Matt?
like, oh, you're a Britishperson.
We're gonna bring you along aswell,

Kevin (15:19):
I was wondering that too until I did, a search on the
amount of episodes thatcharacter's in.
And he's in a ton.
I mean, he's in like 90% of theepisodes.
initially I was like, oh, it'sconvenient that they have this
bald, sort of pseudointellectual with a very
dignified British beer toqualify all these pieces of
information.
But is the backstory, where ishe the robin to Matt's Batman,

PJ (15:42):
No, it's interesting because you'll see these clusters of
characters.
Bruce Sato is there a wholebunch, like he'll go on vacation
with Gloria.
We're pretty sure he married herin Vegas.
he'll have Dusty be his driverand probable cook.
it's funny because they might bein the episode, but they'll
often be called in as part ofthe team.

(16:02):
vacationing together.

Adam (16:03):
brings up a question because it's typically Matt
Scott, t Bobb, and a friend,like on

PJ (16:10):
It's true.

Adam (16:11):
on.
So it is a, a little bit odd,unusual, uh, an unusual
situation, as Matt likes to say.
Matt finds all this stuff veryfascinating, but, they do have a
schedule to keep.
So he sends, his British teamback to Nairobi to replace their
equipment and hire new workers,I just love that Matt keeps him
focused on the task at hand.

(16:32):
Like it's his money.
He will not see it wasted.

PJ (16:35):
one thing to point out, scientist does make a point of
calling him Tracker, whereas afew episodes back, the last time
we were in Africa at theresearch facility that spawned
the biological incident, the guycalled him Matt.

Adam (16:53):
Yeah.

PJ (16:54):
So there's a definite pecking order for how you would
dress Mr.
Tracker.

Kevin (16:59):
so you're implying this guy's the new hire, he was like.
We just quickly replace theprevious because he wasn't
listening or managing budgetwell enough.

PJ (17:13):
the previous thing wasn't about budgetary issues, Kevin.
they spawned a creature that wasconsuming all biological life in
its path.
So slightly more than justfumbling the quarterly numbers.

Kevin (17:25):
but if he went over budget on that creature builds,
I could deal with the damagecaused by the creature, but what
it cost to build it, I cannotsupport,

Adam (17:36):
speaking of that, Alex shows Scott pictures of Egypt
and

Kevin (17:40):
I.

Adam (17:40):
that this lost tribe were the greatest builders in the
kingdom, who for some reasonmoved south were never heard
from again.
But they brought with them abunch of treasure, which was the
richest in the world.

Kevin (17:55):
Yeah.

PJ (17:55):
got a question here.
Okay.
So again, we're centering thisstuff very firmly on Egypt.
We've mentioned a lost tribe andthey were, quote unquote,
builders in Egypt that left.
are the writers leading ussomeplace, folks?

Adam (18:09):
Go on,

Kevin (18:10):
As somebody who did a lot of time in Hebrew school, I'm
seeing parallels.

PJ (18:15):
Okay.

Adam (18:17):
except this is going in the wrong direction.

Kevin (18:20):
I know, right?

Adam (18:21):
south into Africa

Kevin (18:22):
that's how they covered their asses.
They were like, we're gonnaborrow 10 commandments as a
reference point, but we'resending them south, dude, not
north.

PJ (18:33):
okay.
But the tagline literally saysKing Solomon in it.
Okay.
I mean, I dunno how to getaround this.

Adam (18:42):
well, Matt and Alex take to the sky and thunder hawk, to
get a better view of things.
Leaving Scott and t Bob behindin a deserted camp.
Were a terrible disaster.
Took place the night before.

Kevin (18:54):
Do you guys have a prize for bad parenting?

Adam (18:57):
the Year Award, and Matt gets it every episode.

Kevin (19:01):
this is a stellar example of father of the earring because
why not leave your kid in like agiant gorge environment with a
robot that has questionableall-terrain skills and with no
frame of reference or ability tofind you again and take off to
the skies where he willcamouflage into rock and terrain

(19:23):
from 20,000 feet above?
It's a very bizarre decision.

Adam (19:27):
gets back to the camp.

Kevin (19:28):
But once again, an amazing example of visual
shorthand where they literallymake a statement, you cut to the
car taking off and next thingyou know, this whole plot point
is put into effect.
the kids exploring down belowMatt's up in the sky.
Like there's nothing besidesmaybe two and a half seconds of
visual, like,

Adam (19:48):
Mm-hmm.

Kevin (19:49):
examples to connect all these funny dots.
as somebody's come into thisepisode, without the backstory
that you guys have, I will sayas the editor in me is like, oh
my God, they're able to conveyso much with so little when they
put on the helmets later,there's all these little things
that they do and I'm like, wow,is this just the product of

(20:09):
production costs or the factthat they're assuming people are
watching this so consistentlythat these little.
Cutaways or suggestions ofvisuals, tell exactly what's
happening without furtherdetail.

PJ (20:22):
Here's a que Actually, I wanna, I wanna continue on this
point.
'cause I think this is actuallya really brilliant point.
you feel like there's enoughconnective tissue in either the
visuals or the dialogue to makeit work or like we do?
So much of the time, lendsitself to so much like, like,

(20:43):
hey, we can drive a bus throughthis to understand the
intentions in a different way.
Like, Matt hates his kid, so heis abandoning him in the desert.

Kevin (20:52):
Yeah,

PJ (20:52):
really curious from your perspective here,

Kevin (20:54):
but that's what's so weird about it, as a filmmaker,
I would've made more out ofthose moments or had something
more unifying where it's likeyou cut to Matt, he's in the sky
and he is like.
Makes a comment about like, youknow, so is T bobb on the
transformer or something that wecan find his location, something
that connects these things so itdoesn't feel like they're

(21:15):
running so independent.
You know, I wrote with Adam foryears and we would deconstruct
stuff it was always about makingsense of the emotional journey.
And it's like, as a father youwould sort of intuitive if
you're like, Hey, we got the kiddown there below on the right.
Oh look over, there's the gorge.
There's 1,001 easy ways toconnect this stuff.
So it all feels like it's livingas a macro organism as opposed

(21:37):
to these micro subplots thatseem to be splintering off.

Adam (21:40):
know, you know, and I with our, abandonment issues with our
dads, it's what really attractedus to this show because, there
is an emotional vacuum here thatwe have started to fill in, and
with only a handful of momentsthat actually show true fatherly
love towards Scott.

(22:02):
The only hypothesis we've cometo is that Matt just doesn't
care for Scott.
'cause the number of times heleaves him, the only consistent
thing he says is, he tells Scottto go back to the hotel in many
episodes as a way to stay safe.

Kevin (22:18):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (22:18):
connects with PJ and I as kind of like, alright, you know,
here's a, here's a TV dinner.
Good luck.

Kevin (22:25):
I can relate to that with my father who would disappear
for months on a time with work.
maybe he's actually the bestfather of all time.
'cause he's teaching the kidresourcefulness and
self-reliance

PJ (22:35):
I was a wonderful father.
Did I tell you to go to bed, eatyour dinner, clean your room?
No.
I let you be and I taught

Kevin (22:45):
Dude,

PJ (22:46):
reliance.

Kevin (22:47):
there you go.
Connery himself.
Couldn't have said it better.

PJ (22:54):
So you're in the Henry Jones, senior Camp of Parenting
for

Kevin (22:59):
Definitely not.
Definitely not.
I don't think this kid shouldhave been left near a gorge by
himself with a sick robot withquestionable faculties at this
point.
but I do find it interesting assomebody who is toe dipping back
in this world, how glaringlyweird it is that he just does

(23:19):
not give a shit about his son.
which is another thing too aboutgoing back to your previous
question is like, is it enoughconnective tissue?
It is enough as far as advancingto the next beat, but it doesn't
make much emotional sense inreality.

PJ (23:34):
Yeah.

Adam (23:35):
'cause here's what's happened.
Matt leaves, and so Scott'simmediately decides to go look
for treasure.
Like that's what he's gonna do.
Uh, but when t Bobb complains,Scott calls him a hypochondriac.
And then there's this exchange,where t Bob's like, well, when
you had the flu, it was adifferent story.
T bobb make me chicken soup, getme more covers.

(23:55):
And then t bobb has this reallyilluminating, sentence he says
to think if I played my cardsright, I could have been a
toaster of it.
So what I, there's a lot to sayabout this, but I'll just, I'll
say just the one thing in myhead, which is he is in such an
emotional tailspin that hewishes he was a toaster oven.

(24:16):
Like that's basically sayinglike, I wish that I was dead.
I wish that I'd never existed.
That's just so sad.

Kevin (24:23):
what I found really funny was that Scott calls him out for
being strung out,

Adam (24:29):
That's

Kevin (24:29):
is like a historically weird term that you usually like
assign to drug addicts, not topeople that are sick.
He's like, dude, you're sostrung out.
What I mean is the issue that heis not getting his consistent
upgrades and he is feeling thewithdrawals.
it's a very bizarre descriptionand it also makes you think
about what's going on in thewriter's room at that point in

(24:50):
1985.

PJ (24:51):
Why did TBO choose in this moment to go on top of the well
on a plank?

Adam (24:59):
well, to,

PJ (25:00):
Did we, I.

Adam (25:00):
of, to Kevin's ongoing thesis, it's to move the plot
forward.

Kevin (25:05):
Yes.
It was very bizarre too.
And then there's also strange,like I called out this weird.
Perspective cut to Scott walkingin where the perspective's not
in alignment and he looks like agiant for five frames and then
shrinks back down to normalcy.

Adam (25:20):
well predictably Teebo sneezes and falls down the well
because he's standing on top ofthe well.
meanwhile up in the air, Alexspots parts from the damaged
cars, on the opposite side ofthe gorge They don't do a very
good job of setting up themystery here, you know, as much
as they're on moving the plotforward.

(25:42):
And I'd love to hear yourthoughts on this, Kev.
there's not a really good setupof the mystery plot of this
story.

Kevin (25:48):
I have no clue what it is and I don't want to jump to the
ending where they actually spenda small portion clarifying
everything basically there's theultimate like.
Do X mocking now that leads toit and you're just like, okay.
Now let me recap in case you'reas confused as the writers.

Adam (26:06):
where he is explaining

Kevin (26:07):
exactly.

Adam (26:08):
thing.

Kevin (26:10):
But like, I have no clue.
There was a previous scene, thecars exploded, there's water,
there's still questions on whatpart of Africa they're in.
There's like, there's nothingthat is like actually being
like, clearly establishing whatthe mystery is and, and what
really is the true, genuinepurpose of them being there

(26:31):
outside of the fact thatthey're, treasure barons looking
to

Adam (26:35):
I mean, if we wanna boil it down, the great mystery that
mask is trying to unravel righthere, remembering that they
don't know venomous here.
Venom hasn't

Kevin (26:44):
mm-hmm.

Adam (26:45):
face yet, so the mystery is did four cars get damaged?

Kevin (26:51):
Exactly.

PJ (26:52):
Hold on.

Kevin (26:53):
where is this water coming from?

PJ (26:57):
Matt's question is how do I get outta paying the insurance
premium for these four cars thatmy project rented?
there's a financial stake forhim here that I don't think you
guys are appreciating.
I wish you guys felt

Kevin (27:09):
Fair enough?

PJ (27:10):
Okay.

Kevin (27:11):
When you frame it that way, I feel very bad for not
taking that POV intoconsideration

Adam (27:17):
now it makes a lot more sense.
I take everything I said back.
now we cut back to t Bobb andScott and, they find a tunnel,
underground.
And so, they start exploring.

Kevin (27:26):
bigger than the Astrodome

Adam (27:27):
right, this underground cavern that's bigger than the
Astrodome, which doesn't existanymore.
So, I guess as kids we had areference point there,

Kevin (27:35):
I mean that was actually my favorite line in the whole
piece.
'cause I was like, oh yeah, thatthing existed.
There was an Astrodome,

Adam (27:42):
it's an underground lake, but then this golden light
shines and a rumbling starts,and so Scott and t Bobb decide
to run away.

PJ (27:49):
Which I felt like it was a very rational decision because
right now they just decided toenter into the Earth, and I
wasn't sure if they were likesignifying between Scott's
abandonment and, TBOs paranoiathat they just wanted to die.
Like they felt like there'ssomething very morbid about
their choices here up until thismoment where it's like, no, I

(28:11):
want to live actually.

Kevin (28:13):
no TBO in particular is definitely on a suicide mission.

Adam (28:17):
many times

PJ (28:18):
Yeah.

Adam (28:18):
this series, many times, well, we're back up top now and,
Matt and Alex are at the campand they're just, you know,
enjoying a nice warm cup ofcoffee by the campfire, just
kind of chatting about stuff andmost importantly, not wondering
where Scott is at all.

PJ (28:38):
Look man, we've all been there in the mornings.
Kids can wait after some Joe.

Adam (28:43):
I mean, going back to what we were

Kevin (28:45):
It is amazing.

Adam (28:45):
the dad's not like, Hey, where's my kid?

Kevin (28:50):
And doesn't he, isn't it a crazy line when he finally
does return and they're like,where have you mis Koreans been?
Or something implying thatthey're the problem?

Adam (28:59):
Yeah, Alex has some line.
He is like, well, look at theserascals,

Kevin (29:03):
the RA schools have returned.

Adam (29:04):
and then Matt, when he finds out where they were, he's
pissed off at Scott.
He's like, I thought I'd

PJ (29:10):
Yeah,

Adam (29:10):
away from that area.
well, dude.
What'd you expect him to do?

Kevin (29:15):
Maybe not.
Leave me next to it anddisappear.

PJ (29:21):
a hundred percent.
What about Kevin's pointearlier, like the connective
tissue?
Like did he never said that onscreen.

Kevin (29:30):
Exactly.

Adam (29:32):
Yeah,

PJ (29:34):
I thought I told you to stay away from that area.
I left you at.

Kevin (29:37):
Yeah.
It's a great screenwritingspackle moment.
It's like, oops, let me justthrow something in here that
addresses my lack ofsensitivity.

Adam (29:46):
in that mug.
And Matt's misremembering thingsI told you.

Kevin (29:51):
Oh my God.
That.

Adam (29:52):
No you didn't.
Dad.
Shut up.
I did.

Kevin (29:57):
I mean, your deconstruction of the Amsterdam
episode and how he was like,made me want to go back and
watch it.
So yes, maybe Matt with anaddiction issue could be a great
underlying current, once again,eighties writer's room,

Adam (30:10):
well, Scott does have something though that he found
underground.
He has this motorcycle cable andAlex looks at it and is able to
tell it was manufactured by thesame company that makes the
cables in venoms vehicles.
Like what?

Kevin (30:26):
ultimate Sherlock Holmes, deductive moment.

Adam (30:29):
And lazy screenwriting.

PJ (30:30):
I, okay.
my question though for you guys.
they know what companiesmanufacture Venom's parts.
Do you think Matt being abillionaire should actually shut
those guys down?
Or do you think Matt should buythose companies and get at least
some of the action from Venom?

Adam (30:52):
I think it's true.
if I'm Matt, I'd probably buythe company.
Matt, and as we've establishedbefore there is a symbiotic
relationship between Mask andVenom here, right?
Matt can't do the fun stuff withhis transforming vehicles that
shoot lasers unless Venom is outthere doing what they do.
Right.
So he has every, incentive makesure that their vehicles can

(31:14):
constantly be repaired and, andback on the road.
So might argue that he does ownthe company anyways already.

PJ (31:27):
This is from Reca Industries.

Adam (31:29):
quiet.

PJ (31:30):
We manufacture all the parts for Venom.

Adam (31:33):
he has it in a shell company.
it's not connected to Tracker at

PJ (31:35):
This is from

Adam (31:36):
it's,

PJ (31:37):
Snake Oil Industries.

Adam (31:38):
funny when Alex is like, this is the same company that
makes Venom's cables, and Matt'slike, Hmm, yeah.
Interesting.
Same company.
Weird.
Anyways, moving on.

Kevin (31:48):
Yeah.
I mean, they're brothers, right?
Wasn't that the backstory?
Veto and Miles and Matt arebrothers or co-founders.

PJ (31:55):
if you believe the comics, miles killed, Matt's teenage
brother, Andy,

Adam (32:01):
Mm-hmm.

Kevin (32:01):
I remember reading that.
That's an aggressive backstory.

PJ (32:04):
it

Kevin (32:05):
For such a playful, globe trotting, fun adventure story.

Adam (32:10):
that is never mentioned in the cartoon series, by the way.

PJ (32:13):
right.

Kevin (32:14):
that's a heavy lift for a kid, eight years old to
understand.
Jacked up on peanut butter andSpaghettiOs like, oh by the way,
we're gonna reveal this inepisode 43 as a throwaway.
it would be a throwaway based ontheir beautiful shorthand.

PJ (32:30):
that's actually a really interesting point you made
earlier Kevin, because youmentioned loving Thundercats and
in Thundercats the openingepisode is a cataclysm of their
planet.

Kevin (32:43):
I know.

PJ (32:43):
Like it's destroyed, and the fleet that they're in is lost
except for their ship.
There is so much murder on thescreen.
It's incredible.
It's billions of people we'retalking about

Kevin (32:57):
No, but I've actually had this precise conversation and my
argument has always been, that'swhy I think we relate to
Thundercats in a different waybecause you're going through
something that has an emotionalstake to it, you're watching a
kid go on the hero's journey byway of puberty with these people
around him that are trying topr, like there's a lot of stuff

(33:18):
that goes into it that mirrorsStar Wars and these classic
things we grew up with.
So like relating to it on top ofthe aesthetics, which.
Obviously they're the coolest,drawn characters of all time.

PJ (33:29):
They

Kevin (33:30):
But there's something in Lino that I feel the average kid
could put himself into indifferent ways than Heman or
some of these other charactersbecause there was something
general emotion sort of like asthe backstory and they weren't
afraid to tap into it.

PJ (33:45):
an earlier, guest theorized that we're on the villain's
journey for Scott, that all thisabandonment will eventually
transform him

Kevin (33:53):
Oh my God.
that is spectacular.
I would love to ride that POVnow I'm gonna watch the rest of
the series with that POV.
So this is all his like

Adam (34:03):
villain.
It's his

Kevin (34:04):
story.

Adam (34:05):
It's the trauma because there's so many near death
situations that he's involved

Kevin (34:10):
Oh, this is magnificent.
And he's self-reliant now andknows how to build.

Adam (34:13):
he can

Kevin (34:14):
Yeah.

Adam (34:14):
he built tbo.
It means he can build prettymuch anything.
If he can build a sentientrobot, which by the way, Matt
doesn't seem capable of doing,he can do anything.

Kevin (34:23):
This is incredible.
Mac can fund the building of itwith his opium sales in
Afghanistan, but he can't buildit himself.

Adam (34:30):
all Scott has to do is knock Matt off and he inherits
the fortune.

Kevin (34:35):
Whoever came up with that idea, that is genius.

Adam (34:38):
our buddy Jason Burns from

Kevin (34:40):
Oh, I love it.

Adam (34:42):
yeah,

Kevin (34:42):
How cool.

Adam (34:43):
Matt can't figure out what all this means, so it's time for
the agent selection scene.
So asked the computer to give methe best team for service
underwater and in the desert.

Kevin (34:59):
Once again, brilliant shorthand, screen widening wise,

Adam (35:02):
yeah,

Kevin (35:03):
I love this section.
To me, this is actually, I don'tknow if this once again is
commonplace.
It seems like they do thisdevice a lot, especially when
you're across the world and youneed to get your pizza delivery
guy out there on a motorcycle.

Adam (35:15):
much better because they have the sort of like computer
thing where it says what theirspecialties are, but then we
usually get a shot, I'd say,what PJ?
50% of the time.

PJ (35:24):
Oh yeah, I'd say 60 and early episodes.
It's been falling off.
I mean, it was really consistentearly episodes, and then it
started falling off.
So 50 to 60 is probably a goodamount.

Adam (35:34):
to cut to the scene where we show them escape.
So it's like, there's the pizzaguy making his pizza, and then
the alarm goes off and he dropsthe pizza on the ground and he,
and he runs out, or theteacher's teaching, you know,
thing goes off and he has to runout in some funny way,

PJ (35:47):
glorious slams.
a full grown man who's twice hersize, onto the ground, winks at
him, and then runs away.

Kevin (35:54):
But I, I was expect, I mean, Adam, we've talked about
the pizza moments and like stuffon some separate sidebars and
once again, going back to theshorthand thing that I brought
up earlier, is that just aproduct now of you've seen 37
episodes, we're getting throughthe fat of like.
This beat, which we're veryfamiliar with at this point, do

(36:15):
we even need to like show themleaving anymore?
It's like, okay, he made thecall.
We know what's happening next.

Adam (36:20):
of the series though.
I think it's usually, if thescript comes in long, it's cut
for time.

PJ (36:25):
I think part of the charm of the series is the idea that,
anybody could be these, like youas a kid, you could be running
your normal life but have thissecret other life how jarring is
it, if you suddenly ran out ofthe classroom, to go save the
world So I do think it's, partof that essence and charm.
But I agree if it's long runtime, there's obviously a lot of

(36:45):
fat in this episode that, couldhave been cut away.

Adam (36:48):
lot.
Um, our agents are Gloria Baker,champion, race Driver, black
Belt and Kung Fu team, HottieMatt's wife.
the computer says underwatervehicle essential in the desert.

PJ (37:04):
He asked for two opposing things, the computer did not
explode, and it's basically, gofuck yourself.
Matt.
Guess what?
Here you go.

Adam (37:13):
Yeah.
The computer's like, all

Kevin (37:14):
Covering my ass.
Matt, you're getting allterrains covered.

Adam (37:20):
And the second agent is, Brad Turner, because air
maneuverability could be afactor.
I would agree with that.
It's good to be able to fly.

PJ (37:28):
Uh, note, I think Bruce actually is clearly taking the
call.

Adam (37:34):
Yeah.

PJ (37:34):
in Boulder Hill, he is not selected.
and so I was curious, is hedisappointed or he is like, oh
fuck, I do not want to be in thedesert this week,

Kevin (37:42):
I'm gonna go with the latter.
I feel like Bruce hacked intothe system.
He took himself out of thepopulation choice

Adam (37:49):
He is like,

Kevin (37:49):
and he is like, it's my fourth anniversary with my wife.
I am not picking up this phonecall like, Matt, stop.

Adam (37:57):
Well, I just wanna point out that after the two agents
are selected, says, approvedassemble, mobile armored strike
command for immediate transportto

PJ (38:11):
You know, obviously Africa, the country is small enough that
we'll be able to spot you fromthe air We're in Africa.
Matt, come on.
And so, you know, they mentionedearlier, and Kevin, you pointed
this out, that the scientistsshould go back to Nairobi.
So Kenya I guess, but

Adam (38:32):
Or, they could have been anywhere.
And Matt's told him to go backto Nairobi, which could be a
three day drive from where theywere.
He doesn't care.

PJ (38:40):
That is true.
Like, once again, we got verylittle to go on.

Adam (38:44):
Lagos is actually way closer.
Nope, do Nairobi.

PJ (38:50):
I am not paying for Lagos talent.
Okay.
That is way over the budget.
After you destroyed my vehicles.

Kevin (38:59):
This is a Nairobi job

PJ (39:01):
so assuming it's Kenya or Nairobi, it's 11 hours away at
Mach One from Colorado.

Adam (39:07):
they got a ways to go.

PJ (39:08):
Yeah.

Adam (39:09):
meanwhile, Scott and t Bobb are off wandering again.
it's what they do.
they're talking about how theEgyptians were always building
secret entrances to theirtemples.
Does he even know what he'stalking about?
Sure.

Kevin (39:22):
It.

Adam (39:22):
Jones and other adventures, there's always
secret entrances.
is this something that's commonknowledge that the ancient
Egyptians just built a bunch ofsecret entrances everywhere?

Kevin (39:31):
Well, common knowledge for somebody that doesn't go to
school, I guess is also theother question because this is
pre-internet and I remember whenI was growing up, you had like
tut in common and there was alittle bit of like in history
class, like they had Sikh, butthis kid doesn't go to school
and he got like one badslideshow.
So for him to make thatintellectual jump is not only

(39:54):
magnificent, but maybe he is agenius per your earlier things

PJ (39:59):
I,

Kevin (40:00):
slightly psychic.

PJ (40:02):
Kevin, I think Matt has provided him with a subscription
to highlights.

Kevin (40:06):
God I loved highlights Every time I go to the doctor's
office, I'd be like, gimme myhighlights.

PJ (40:11):
we all did, we all looked at Goofs and Gallant, but they had
those little snippets on Toot incommon, right?

Kevin (40:18):
Yeah.

PJ (40:19):
And like, oh, there's secret entrances.
That's where he picked it upfrom.

Adam (40:23):
I

Kevin (40:23):
Okay.
Well, there you go, Adam.
There's the answer.
he goes to doctors a lot.

Adam (40:27):
he should go to doctors a lot, especially these
psychiatrists.
for the first time in thisepisode, we catch up with Venom,
and Miles is talking to his crewof Cliff and Sly and Vanessa,
and he says, the map led us tothis control unit.
I know the rest of it

Kevin (40:43):
I.

Adam (40:43):
be here.
Sly has no interest in goingback into that underground lake.
He says there's nothing downthere except rocks, water, mold,
and vermin, which Vanessa says,perfect diet for you, Rex Sick
burn.

Kevin (40:58):
Lovely banner.
can I ask a quick question?
Is he supposed to sound likeJack Nicholson?
Is that the idea with thischaracter?
Okay.

Adam (41:05):
Rider because

Kevin (41:07):
Because when I heard that that thing come on, I was like,
is this guy doing a jack?
Like what sounds like ratenvironment?
You're just like, dude, is hedoing Nicholson?
What's going on?

Adam (41:16):
and he rides the motorcycle and he is got the
kind of goatee or the soul patchthing going on.

Kevin (41:21):
eighties writer's rooms the best.

Adam (41:23):
yeah.
Slides a cool character.

PJ (41:25):
He has weird characterizations in this series
where he's like, ah, like it'snot natural, it's not
ecological.
He's got a weird sort of ecoterrorist vibe at the same time.
He's clearly on drugs.

Adam (41:36):
Well, uh, cliff spots, Scott and t Bobb down in the
gorge and calls him a kid in awalking trash can, which
couldn't be a truer statement.
cliff accidentally pushes, abutton on the wall of the gorge
and a rumbling occurs we're backwith Matt and Alex and they pick
up the underground earthquake.
They see the water level drop.
finally Matt notices that Scottis gone and he says, there's

(42:01):
your answers and takes to thesky.
What is he talking about?

Kevin (42:05):
Matt is honestly deep in his eighth hour of the acid.
there's no laws of physics orrationale anymore for the way
he's approaching life.
It's a very bizarre moment.

PJ (42:16):
I did really like though in this moment, if we take the
logic at face value,

Adam (42:20):
Mm-hmm.

PJ (42:21):
because we have to, explanation to Alex is that
Scott caused the earthquake.

Kevin (42:28):
Yes.

PJ (42:29):
Scott is powerful enough to cause earthquakes.
That's your answer right there.

Kevin (42:37):
I mean, you either respect your kid that much or
you have so little respect forhim that any natural disaster
that happens, you're like thatfucking kid.
He's up to no good again.
God damn it.

Adam (42:49):
of your acid trip.
My son can cause earthquakes,man.
Well, the walls of the gorgebegin to close and they're gonna
squash, tbo, Tbo screams toScott for help.

PJ (43:07):
I figured at this moment T Bobb was gonna find some garbage
to prop open the sides of thegorge while communicating with
C3 PO and R 2D two to stop thetrash compactor.
Oh shit.
That's the wrong franchise.
I'm sorry.

Adam (43:21):
right.
because in fact, TBO, is goingto die, we're in real bad shape
here.
Leads me to ask what's going tohappen.

PJ (43:30):
I dunno.
I dunno.

Adam (43:33):
We'll find out after these messages.
Mask will be right back, and sowill Venom.
Now back to math.
and we're back.
so when we left you t Bob wasabout to be crushed by the
gorge.
Scott's best friend, nanny.
Mother figure, maybe also wifetype character, was going to be

(43:55):
taken from him forever, in, youknow, increasing the trauma he's
already experienced.
But t Bobb uses a never beforeseen jet pack in his butt to fly
to safety.

Kevin (44:09):
Wait a second.
This was never before.
This is not, this is the firsttime you were

Adam (44:15):
is r no,

Kevin (44:16):
that he has a jet pack.

Adam (44:17):
two in the prequel trilogy moment where you're like, wait,
he can

Kevin (44:20):
What, That is a crazy first idea moment for the
screenwriter,

Adam (44:25):
A hundred percent.

Kevin (44:26):
like the ultimate shortcut and on top of it, he's
sick.
So like where is this new energygetting mustard from to use this
Never before used superpower.
That's insane that this hasnever been established.
I just took it at face value.
I was like, oh, the guy, he'sgot a jet pack.
I remember in the trailer or theopening, like he can fly off of

(44:49):
things and

Adam (44:49):
off of things, but we've never seen this before.
Bj, what do you think?

Kevin (44:52):
Wow.

PJ (44:53):
I'm gonna go for the Writer's Defense Award this
time.
we've seen so many situationswhere this would've clearly come
in handy that it's a longoverdue modification that
finally got installed, andthat's actually why he didn't
get his regular checkup.
Also, he's blowing it out hisass, which is hilarious.
So I figured that wasworthwhile.

Adam (45:13):
ill so it could with the

PJ (45:16):
He is.

Adam (45:16):
it could be that.

Kevin (45:18):
Listen, once again, pj, you have convinced me.
I will now use that as myfilter.
Great job.
Uh, na writer.

Adam (45:30):
in order to, escape, from the crushing gorge walls, Scott
and t Bobb, kind of go throughthe, the temple door, and they
discover a room full of treasureScott says, now we can get
anything we ever wanted.
So does Scott not understand howwealthy they truly are?

(45:52):
This happened before with

PJ (45:53):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (45:53):
what's going on?

PJ (45:54):
I think this is a dark moment, folks.
It's anything they want, notwhat Matt wants.

Kevin (46:01):
I think this is Junior trying to get out of his dad's
shadow and make his own bones.
Following whatever his dad did,which is obviously being a tome
Raider, but like, I'm gonna bemy own to Raider now.

Adam (46:13):
That's,

Kevin (46:14):
Like

Adam (46:15):
that's If Scott and Tbo can get out of this tomb because
the door's closed shut now.

Kevin (46:22):
I got money on t Bobb.
he can fly.
Anything's possible.

Adam (46:26):
Matt and Alex are flying overhead, and they decide to put
their masks on and did younotice that they come out of
nowhere?

Kevin (46:32):
Thank you.
I wasn't crazy.
going back to the shorthandelement that is all over this
episode, it's like, you know,the show, you know, eventually
they're just gonna get masks.
The framing on this is so weirdbecause it looks like they're
actually exposed completely.
So where is even the helmetcoming from?
it is such a bizarre assumptionthat I think the creative team

(46:54):
made.

PJ (46:55):
this was actually a question I had as a kid because even with
the doors closed, they wouldfrequently show the masks just
coming down on their head.
I.
Even in vehicles where there'snot enough headroom

Adam (47:08):
that kind

PJ (47:08):
or,

Adam (47:09):
or a motorcycle.

PJ (47:11):
so, this is a very frequent occurrence.
In this case, they just happenedto have the GU wings open.
And did you guys notice thesound that it made when it
actually landed on them?
it sounded like dropping metal.

Kevin (47:23):
Yeah, it was very bizarre.
going to sound there was someamazing score going on that is
like Calypso with steel drumsand it is such a bizarrely.
Psychedelic aggressively bizarrecreative decision over an action

(47:43):
sequence to have these steeldrums and this calypso thing
going on I know you guys arefamiliar with the show, you
listen to it all the time.
One thing that was amazing to mein this episode was the spread
of aesthetics when it came tothe score.
it opens with this really moodybaseline that then goes into
something more action oriented.
And by the time we get to theCalypso score, I am so all in on

(48:05):
wanting to buy the soundtrack,it's amazing and I just think it
should get a little bit of love.

Adam (48:12):
theories about the longstanding love for this show,
by, you know, folks our age isthat it wasn't necessarily the
cartoon itself, the toys themusic specifically the theme
song.
'cause before PJ and I went onthis crazy adventure, we would
talk about mask, know, with, Imean really with anyone else.

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And it'd be like, oh yeah, Iloved those toys.
And that theme song was soawesome.
And that's where theconversation ended.

Kevin (48:39):
I had a friend the other day.
I told him I was doing this andHe answered by singing the theme
song to me.

PJ (48:44):
No.

Kevin (48:44):
I was like, I'm gonna go.
He is like, and not even a beat,he just started singing it and
he was like, mask.
And I was like, oh yeah.
Okay.

Adam (48:51):
great.
It may be, we could argue aboutit.
It may be the best eightiescartoon theme song ever.

Kevin (48:57):
I'm a gummy Bears fan for number one cartoon theme song,
but this is definitely topthree.

Adam (49:02):
one, this rocks, this is like

Kevin (49:04):
Oh yeah, without a doubt.
Rocks

Adam (49:07):
like anthem.

Kevin (49:10):
We're gonna sort of boil some testosterone for these
young prepubescent minds and getthem to puberty.

Adam (49:16):
well, uh, Matt and Alex, land in the gorge and find
Scott's footprints.
meanwhile, miles sends Cliff andVanessa to draw mask away from
the Temple entrance.
and, sly and Miles had thisinteraction'cause like Miles has
a special job for Sly.
and, he thinks it's to go helpcollect the treasure.
miles decides to do it alone.
Instead he leaves sly behind todo something he thinks he's

(49:36):
capable of, which is pushing abutton that opens the temple
door.
if I'm sly, I just decide tocrush Miles as soon as he's in
the gorge,

Kevin (49:46):
I feel like Sly has plenty of reasons to seriously
tender his resignation.

PJ (49:50):
Oh, and this is mild Miles treats his employees, especially
Cliff and Sly like shit all thetime.
there's an HR violation prettymuch every episode.

Adam (50:01):
they never really get away with their plan, so it's not
like they're making any moneyoff of this.
Why are any of them still withmiles?
Unless he's got compromisinginfo on them.

Kevin (50:11):
Right or a large inheritance that we're not aware
of, that he is able to.

Adam (50:16):
Well, we've got a cool, manta.
It's actually Manta Jackhammerversus Thunder Hawk battle, in
the gorge and in the skies,above the gorge.
And the animation is some of thebest in the whole episode.
Mm-hmm.

PJ (50:34):
Like we're gonna see some pretty awesome action stuff.
And I thought this episode,especially being the one right
in the middle of the entireseries was actually really great
and emblematic of thisbifurcation between a lot of
crazy shit in terms of storystuff and some amazing action

(50:56):
sequences.
I feel like it really becomesthis archetype for what the
entire series is, which is,sometimes it's just like you're
fucking around and a lot ofother times it's like, oh shit,
this is awesome.

Kevin (51:09):
I fully agree.
Like the filmmaker for me waslike, these are really well put
together sequences.
And once again, like super cleanand simple, like putting this
camera down by the wheel on thefront and seeing the high angle
shots.
Like it tells geography.
There's geography establishing,there's great shot to shot work.
It's got good pacing and maybeyou guys take it for granted.

(51:31):
But those laser sound effects,man.
Fucking top tier.

PJ (51:35):
Yeah.

Adam (51:36):
This show does lasers better than anyone else.
the dog fight continues.
the gorge begins to open, whichreveals the entrance of the
temple.
Scott and Tebo make a run forit, but Miles shows up, so
they're forced to run back intothe Treasure Temple, and hide
just in time.
The mask, jet lands vertically.
so I guess it's a vitol based onhow it lands.

(51:57):
But out comes Shark and

PJ (51:59):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (52:00):
Gloria goes after Jackhammer and Brad goes after
Manta.

PJ (52:04):
if you guys watch the sequence of how aggressive
Gloria Attacks jackhammer, itreally hits home what Gloria
would do to any former lover ofMatt.
Gloria doesn't mess around withanyone

Adam (52:18):
does

PJ (52:19):
who messes with her husband,

Adam (52:20):
is a total badass.

Kevin (52:21):
Does Matt ever show any affection for her as a wife?

Adam (52:24):
There's a great moment when they're down in Panama
there's a joke about marriageand Matt is super duper
uncomfortable about it.
It's also that episode, theyhave an episode in where the two
of'em are in Vegas.
and it feels very clearly likethey got married in Vegas in
this episode.

PJ (52:44):
And the end of that episode has, the two of them by the
pool.
very comfortable, very close.
admittedly, Kevin, we'veinserted the idea that they got
married in Vegas, but we've gota lot of evidence to showcases.
That's probably what happenedbecause you don't generally
bring your female friend, toVegas on a solo trip.

Kevin (53:06):
I like the backstory.

Adam (53:07):
as Brad goes after, Vanessa, he says, mind if I cut
in on this one?
And Matt says, be my guest, butshe doesn't mean tango.
And Brad responds, well, I'lljust have to teach that Fox to
trot.

Kevin (53:20):
that was a brilliant exchange.
I loved it.
I'm going to start talking aboutFox trotting every day now.
when I heard that, I was like,did I miss something?
Is this like a call sign shotout?
Is it like, you know, liketango, foxtrot?
Like, what are we, what are wetalking about here?

PJ (53:35):
Do kids know anything about dance?

Adam (53:38):
a tango probably.
But I think the whole thing goesover our heads, mainly because
of what I said earlier, likeit's a complete non-SEC.
Like it have to do aboutdancing?
Like,

PJ (53:49):
right.

Adam (53:49):
if it was a sock hop or something going on the battle
was taking place over that, thatwould kind of make sense in the
context.
But, all right.
I guess The writer was savingthese lines.
He had'em in his back

Kevin (54:02):
completely saving these lines.
I a hundred percent agree.

Adam (54:06):
is what I'm gonna do.
And he felt awesome abouthimself when he put it.

Kevin (54:09):
he pulled the sticky off the Apple two C and he was like,
finally.
I could use the Tango Foxtrotexchange

Adam (54:18):
thunder Hawk is flying towards that cave entrance as
it's closing.
Alex screams, we're not gonnamake it, but Matt does this
really cool thing.
He's like, we won't, but I will.
And he uses Spectrum hang gliderto squeeze through the gap in
the closing door of the temple.
so far a really nice use oflaser rays and generally good
use of a mask power here.

Kevin (54:38):
so this isn't a discovery of this power like

Adam (54:40):
yeah.

Kevin (54:41):
Tiba, okay?

Adam (54:41):
like, he has spectrum, but it can pretty much do anything
we call it desex helmet.
Like it can

Kevin (54:46):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (54:47):
it can look infrared, it can cause hang glide.
whenever the writer needssomething done, spectrum can do
it.

Kevin (54:54):
Spectacular.

PJ (54:55):
only Matt's mask can do that.

Kevin (54:57):
Awesome.
like all the other I.

PJ (54:59):
one power his as many as you need.

Kevin (55:03):
And so he basically has the AI suit that can.

Adam (55:06):
Very much

PJ (55:07):
Yes.
But the spectrum hang glider hadbeen established early on, and a
cool sequence.
Like he

Kevin (55:15):
Yeah,

PJ (55:15):
free, fall out of the plane, activates it and swoops into the
cave as it's closing up.

Kevin (55:21):
no, it's definitely very mission impossible.
Like you can picture Tom Cruisein, close up

Adam (55:28):
Absolutely.

PJ (55:29):
Yeah.

Adam (55:30):
miles celebrates getting the treasure and Matt's using
Spectrum Infrared to see ifScott and t Bobb are okay.
and he kind, he sees him manywaves to them.
Like, hello,

PJ (55:40):
he's concerned for them.
this is fatherly concern, guys.
I know it's a morsel, but it'sall you get.

Kevin (55:48):
Or was it more like, oh look, other people who, Hey,
good to meet you.

Adam (55:54):
Um, so what happens is t Bobb sneezes, revealing he and
Scott two miles period.
will not read to the audiencewhat PJ wrote in the rundown,
but it has something to do witht Bob's new jet that comes out
of his butt.
Matt uses spectrum hang gliderto leap off a replica of the

(56:17):
Sphinx and says, mayhem.
Why don't you pick on someoneyour own size?
And we have a cool, miles mat,head to head battle, which we
rarely see them go sort of monoamano, miles uses Viper, um,
after him.
So get some cool Viper shotshere, causes that big stone
statue that Matt landed on tocrash into the cave wall,

(56:39):
releasing a ton of undergroundwater into the temple.
And again, to your pointearlier, pj, this is all really
cool action.
Like this is what we actuallytune into an episode of Mask to
See.
It took about 12 minutes of a 22minute episode to get there, but
okay, we're here.

Kevin (56:53):
One thing I'll just point out though, if you knew the
backstory between Miles andMatt, this confrontation becomes
really cool.

Adam (57:01):
Right.
You killed my brother.

PJ (57:03):
Yeah,

Kevin (57:04):
Exactly.

PJ (57:05):
you

Kevin (57:05):
But.

PJ (57:06):
brother, which forced me to adopt a son who I neglect.
So that's two on you, miles.

Kevin (57:15):
And, and inherit this annoying robot.

Adam (57:18):
Well, miles flies outta the cave and says another day,
another treasure, which is acomplete lie because they've
never actually.
Won any treasure in this series,but okay.
he encounters a condor who firesat the sort of giant bucket
that's, holding all thetreasure, sends it plummeting to
the water below,

PJ (57:34):
I kind of would've loved it if Miles had gotten away with
the treasure, because then itwould've actually, Amped, the
saving of Scott, that Scott wasactually more important than
saving the treasure.
I mean, they happen to be ableto do both here, but actually
think it would've been a morepowerful, emotional moment.

Kevin (57:51):
Once again that filter, I will accept that PJ as lore now.
I think that's a great idea anda simple thing to do.

Adam (58:00):
Yeah.

PJ (58:01):
Easy.

Kevin (58:02):
And also it makes those guys a little bit more scary,
like to have them win onceallows you to actually like, do
a better job establishing thatthey're legitimate bad guys as
opposed to like these bumblingsort of like comic characters.

Adam (58:15):
I did a whole angry rant a few episodes back where I was
talking about like, the stakesare always so low.
Like that the, the, we don'tcare about the bad guys.
the reason in Star Wars thatwe're afraid of the empire is
because they're capable ofhorrific things, including
destroying an entire planet,right?

Kevin (58:35):
Completely.

Adam (58:36):
of rebels.
They get together and like, arethey gonna be able to do it?
We don't know.
In an episode of masks, it'slike, yeah, they can defeat
these guys'cause they're idiots.

Kevin (58:44):
They'll defeat themselves.

Adam (58:45):
which half the time they kinda do.
So it's like the victories thatmask have don't have any real
impact.

Kevin (58:55):
Yeah.

Adam (58:55):
really afraid, only in a few situations, and I feel like
it was much earlier on in theseries, were we ever afraid that
Venom was going to accomplishsomething awful.

PJ (59:05):
And there's been the best episodes have been the episodes
where Venom has been the mostcredible threat.
we had one where they werepulling an asteroid down or a
comet, onto Oslo, would've alsoprobably destroyed the world.
There was them stealing theStatue of Liberty.
It's them with the Rotax, whichcan threaten to consume the

(59:27):
world.
So it's not as if the writersdon't have it be able to bring
out these situations, but alltoo often we end up in these
side shows where it's kind oflike, at the end of the day,
it's who's robbing the tomb?

Kevin (59:42):
Yeah.

Adam (59:42):
venom was, this is not a lie, Kevin, in one episode.
Venom stole pandas to use themas human shields as they carved
their faces on the statues onEaster Island.
That was Venom's plot in thatepisode.

Kevin (59:59):
Dude, eighties writer's rooms.
All I'm gonna say

Adam (01:00:03):
Yeah.

Kevin (01:00:04):
is that where the panda poo came from?

PJ (01:00:06):
Yes,

Adam (01:00:06):
where

Kevin (01:00:07):
Gotcha.

PJ (01:00:08):
that's our na dear episode of the series.

Adam (01:00:11):
ever.

Kevin (01:00:12):
Yeah.
I mean, and this one is set uplike he's literally flying away
with the treasure.
Like let him fly off.
It explains, you get so manyshortcuts from that.
We understand how he's fundingit.
We understand why the people arestill around Miles is actually
capable and he is not just a mo.
It's like all these differentthings you can do with just like
letting him flo once, like thathall would cover at least four

(01:00:34):
years of overhead.

Adam (01:00:36):
that

PJ (01:00:36):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:00:37):
Absolutely.

Kevin (01:00:38):
For that meeting.
they're not very diligent withtheir expenditures but they
would get at least four yearscovered.

Adam (01:00:44):
a hundred

PJ (01:00:44):
And, and, and Matt would know where they would sell it.
It's Marrakesh.
That's the only place.

Kevin (01:00:53):
And now we've established season three Africa.

Adam (01:00:57):
meanwhile, Alex is watching all this, who, by the
way, has done absolutely nothingin this entire episode.
He's laughing as he watchesSwitchblade fly away, and then
he orders Brad to fly down andsave Matt, Scott and t Bobb.

PJ (01:01:11):
Look, man, I just wanna say that I think you are way off
base on Alex, shame on you.
He had the most important job ofall protecting the thing that
Matt loves the most.
Thunder hawk.

Adam (01:01:24):
I take it all back.
He was the Thunder Hawk valet.
so he had quite a lot to do, butI just love it that he is
laughing at venom being foiled abig, hearty laugh from Alex.
Well, uh, Condors rotors aredamaged for some reason.
Um, so it turns out that Bradcan only carry Scott and t Bobb.
Matt lets them go.

(01:01:44):
He's planning to use Spectrumhang glider as he approaches a
classic waterfall situationwhere he is gonna fall to his
doom.
but the mask has shorted out.
these are cool stakes.
the mask is shorted

PJ (01:01:55):
Yeah.

Adam (01:01:56):
gonna fall

Kevin (01:01:57):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:01:57):
waterfall to his death.
More of this, please, in thisseries.

Kevin (01:02:02):
Actually, strangely, Hitchcockian things keep getting
worse.

Adam (01:02:06):
but that's where Gloria comes in.
Where has she been The

Kevin (01:02:09):
Yes,

Adam (01:02:10):
but she

Kevin (01:02:10):
yes.

Adam (01:02:11):
rising up from the water in shark, and saves Matt.

Kevin (01:02:16):
My favorite shortcut moment of the whole episode.
ultimate boomerang moment.

Adam (01:02:20):
But

Kevin (01:02:21):
Like

Adam (01:02:21):
I mean, but there's a way you do this in a show or in a
movie where you purposely makesure that you hide the Deo sex
machina away in this case, wekind of saw her at the beginning
and then it really does feel inthis case, like the writer was
like, we might as well haveGloria come in here.

Kevin (01:02:40):
a hundred percent.
And once again, like how nuttyis that?
Like that, I mean we've usedactually similar techniques,
Adam with something like that.
you always leave a littlecrumble so that you don't forget
about that person.
at least they're threaded intothe crosscutting.
So like.
you, when it does finally havethat reveal, you've earned it a
little bit.

(01:03:00):
What I sort of love about thisis there's no earning.

Adam (01:03:03):
earning, and by the way, this is the only use of a
vehicle underwater is needed inthe whole episode.
So if we go back to the verybeginning, right?
The

Kevin (01:03:14):
Yes.

Adam (01:03:15):
underwater capabilities may be needed

Kevin (01:03:17):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:03:19):
This is the moment.
So was the computer seeing intothe future here,

Kevin (01:03:23):
Completely, completely.

Adam (01:03:26):
I don't get it.

Kevin (01:03:27):
I thought it was really funny.
I liked the shot from inside thecar.
Looking out at Matt.
It was like they were doinglike, once again, like good
classic action coverage.
And to me, I thought it was, Iforgot about her.
So when she showed up, I waslike, what Good wrap up.
Yeah.
Coming to the end.

PJ (01:03:46):
I agree.
It was a, it was definitely afun shot.
And they, they actually a coupleof nice details in there too,
because they've

Kevin (01:03:52):
Yeah,

PJ (01:03:53):
the periscope comes up

Kevin (01:03:55):
completely.

PJ (01:03:56):
face, like on the little, readout.
But then it's also clear thatGloria's checking out his crotch
underwater because of how thatshot's formed.
Like it's only the little likerear view mirror that's
protecting it at that point intime.
So, Matt owes her one.

Adam (01:04:14):
sorry, this is

Kevin (01:04:14):
Oh.

PJ (01:04:15):
it.

Adam (01:04:15):
but I also love how A very technically sophisticated,
multimillion dollar transformingvehicle has a rear view mirror.
Am I the only one who finds that

Kevin (01:04:25):
I mean,

PJ (01:04:26):
it's the eighties.
It still has to be street legalguys I hate to tell you this,
but she still has to get anemissions test in Denver, so
they're gonna be checking.

Adam (01:04:35):
And they're wearing seat belts throughout,

Kevin (01:04:37):
don't forget those seat belts.
No airbags on any of these,though.

PJ (01:04:42):
Mm.

Adam (01:04:43):
back on dry ground.
The whole team is gatheredtogether and Matt finds an
amulet on the ground and he goesinto one of his classic Matt
Tracker leaps of logic.
it goes like this.
Mayhem said it was KingSolomon's treasure Solomon.
of course, the Lost Tribe ofEgypt created the legend and

(01:05:03):
built the gorge to protect KingSolomon's treasure.
It all makes sense now, and myquestion was, does it?

Kevin (01:05:12):
Yeah.

Adam (01:05:12):
think

Kevin (01:05:13):
Isn't there further exclamation though too about
like how they flooded the watersand like how they were using
this as a device to protect thetreasure which feels very last
crusade.

Adam (01:05:23):
somehow engineered

Kevin (01:05:25):
I,

Adam (01:05:25):
to close the gorge.
I guess

Kevin (01:05:28):
that's a major technological lift.

PJ (01:05:31):
Speaking from an engineering standpoint, they had enough
engineering knowledge with KingSolomon's tribe to create an SD
F1 size transformation, likewith water.
Do you think it might be usefulto figure out how they're doing
that?

Kevin (01:05:47):
Thank you.
and just one thing I neverunderstood.
the button that mayhem pushes isa separate build, or did they
find the trigger from what the

Adam (01:05:58):
he, he had no, he had a map.
when we see him for the firsttime, he says, the map pointed
here.
So this must be like thing.
What I don't get though, is thatthe night before, which kicked
off this whole mystery someonemust have pushed the button to
cause the thing to happen

Kevin (01:06:11):
Yeah,

Adam (01:06:11):
So,

Kevin (01:06:12):
which also is weird because there's a history of
this happening.
So was there other peoplepushing the button before this
accidentally, like, you know.

Adam (01:06:21):
Kevin.

Kevin (01:06:22):
Matt's making out with a girl up against the cliff and
she accidentally backs into thebutton and oh guys,

PJ (01:06:27):
it's just hard to find the button

Kevin (01:06:29):
pj, I've been looking for the button for about 35 years
now, and I'll tell you, I've yetto move mountains.

PJ (01:06:39):
and have water flow.

Kevin (01:06:40):
Exactly.

Adam (01:06:45):
well, we wrap up here, Scott is sad that they didn't
get any treasure, and T Bobbpulls the golden scab out of his
panda poo holder, and says, youcan have it after my checkup.
And everyone laughs, but there'sa big question here.
just stealing pricelessartifacts?

Kevin (01:07:04):
The answer is yes.

PJ (01:07:05):
Venom stole priceless artifacts.
Venom got away with thepriceless artifacts.
we should tell everyone thatVenom has them.

Kevin (01:07:17):
So I got a couple of broad questions.
As you guys being the experts,do all the episodes end with the
tbo, sort of like punchline thateverybody laughs at

PJ (01:07:27):
60%.
It's high.

Adam (01:07:28):
Yeah.

Kevin (01:07:29):
And then secondarily, there's no recap on what just
transpired.
It was like, cool.
off to our next magical mystery.

Adam (01:07:37):
exactly.

Kevin (01:07:39):
Okay.

Adam (01:07:40):
every

Kevin (01:07:40):
I mean, I, I,

Adam (01:07:41):
the more, you know, moment here, the, the lesson that
allowed these eighties cartoonsto purely toy commercials.
They had to have some

Kevin (01:07:50):
this one's, this one's epic.

Adam (01:07:52):
So we're back at the tracker mansion and Scott walks
into a massive game room withsome kind of reel to reel tape
machine that's spitting tape allover the place.
First of all, dude's got his ownlike game room with like, you
know, a Commodore 64 there, anda reel to reel like, must be
very nice.
but Scott says, we've got toremember to turn off all
appliances when we leave thehouse, and says if it had been

(01:08:15):
an oven, it could have started afire.
And he then, you know, we, we'dbe, and Tebo says, yeah, crispy
critters, and they both laugh.

Kevin (01:08:26):
Another chi line, that guy.

Adam (01:08:29):
got a lot of questions.
First of all, if the lessonreally is like, make sure you
turn off appliances, just do theoven.
That's the most obvious thing.
we've seen garbage disposalincidents and, and things
catching on fire in the showbefore it's like, have an oven
left on and the muffins areburned and smoke is coming out.
just go ahead and do that.
Why are they showing some, someaudio, uh, equipment here,

(01:08:52):
expensive audio equipment thatnone of the kids watching the
show.
Had in their homes.
Like I just don't understandthat.
So there's my first issue.
My second one is, do they thinkbeing burnt to a crisp is funny
because they all laugh afterthat.
line.

Kevin (01:09:06):
Listen, as somebody who had just had a deal with the
fires, I don't find humor there,people, But I will say I love
that all these seem to bepredicated on the fact that he
has no parents.
It's like basically you're leftalone.

Adam (01:09:21):
Mm-hmm.

Kevin (01:09:22):
This is a lesson to be learned when you're left to your
own devices.

Adam (01:09:25):
missed the episode where the warning was don't go
hitchhiking because the personwho picks you up might be a
child molester.

Kevin (01:09:32):
that was a warning.
Are you serious?

PJ (01:09:34):
yes.

Kevin (01:09:35):
that's magnificent.

PJ (01:09:36):
the person might be a venom agent or worse, a child
molester.

Kevin (01:09:41):
Are you serious?

Adam (01:09:42):
that's the line.

Kevin (01:09:44):
Whole, oh my God, I gotta watch that.
That's unbelievable.

Adam (01:09:48):
all right.
Shall we look at our awardshere?
the Buddy Hawks Award?
Anyone got some nominations?

PJ (01:09:54):
I

Kevin (01:09:54):
I mean,

PJ (01:09:55):
go ahead, Kevin.

Kevin (01:09:56):
I was gonna say the episode, but we can't do the
episode.
But I will definitely go withthe first opening sequence of
the, whoever it is, indigenousto this place in Africa,
responding to the explosion,

PJ (01:10:11):
Yeah.

Kevin (01:10:12):
whole sequence.

PJ (01:10:13):
That whole sequence.
I agree.
I think I've written down Dr.
British for treating the localslike shit repeatedly,

Kevin (01:10:19):
I mean, that one's great too.

Adam (01:10:21):
constantly is like haranguing or making fun of
their culture?
Like, you supposed to be like ananthropologist or an
archeologist or something, likehave a little respect So, yeah,
agree.

Kevin (01:10:33):
That's super valid too.

Adam (01:10:34):
Rack's Ragdoll Award.
Who?
So that's the award.
Who survives after somethingthat should have killed them.

Kevin (01:10:41):
I mean, Matt,

PJ (01:10:42):
yeah.

Adam (01:10:43):
The floodwater should have

PJ (01:10:44):
Yeah.

Adam (01:10:44):
drowned them all.
So RIP?

Kevin (01:10:47):
I mean tbo, if, you know, if it wasn't for the miraculous
discovery of gas flying,whatever you want to describe
that superpower is the budget.
and also like Scott probably inevery part of this episode,

Adam (01:11:04):
yeah.

Kevin (01:11:05):
climbing into a large gorge, going into caves.
that kid was definitely playingwith fire.

Adam (01:11:10):
never once does

PJ (01:11:12):
Mm.

Adam (01:11:13):
He's in the desert and never

PJ (01:11:14):
Mm-hmm.

Adam (01:11:16):
point that one

PJ (01:11:17):
Good call.

Adam (01:11:18):
Batty Award, any nominations.

PJ (01:11:20):
I mean, t bobb not getting fixed at the beginning.
he was giving serious side eyeto Scott, and so I feel like
he's had enough of the shit.

Adam (01:11:30):
Agreed.

Kevin (01:11:30):
I feel like the whole episode for him is a bit of a
Roy Batty existential crisis.

Adam (01:11:36):
The whole series, he's getting worse as the series goes
on here at the midpoint.
He's really not in a good way atall.

Kevin (01:11:43):
Well, this is the part, like this once again is his
creation story then, right?
Because Roy Batty used to servehumans and then had a moment
where he realized that was apretty futile effort.
So maybe Tbo is getting to thepoint where he's about to turn
and go off on his own.

Adam (01:12:00):
finally we have our Father of the Year award.
Where did Matt really shine as aterrible

PJ (01:12:07):
Kevin, take it.

Kevin (01:12:09):
I mean, I'm gonna just go from the premise on this one.
I don't know if I'd bring mychild to the middle of a gorge
excavation without supervision,no tracking device on him.
he's got these magical masks,like throw an iPod tracker on
him and just leave him to hisdevices with a sick robot that
at best is operating at 30%.

Adam (01:12:30):
Yep.
A hundred percent.
and just bringing his kid aroundto where terrorists are
operating.

Kevin (01:12:37):
there is that mayhem thing too.

Adam (01:12:39):
Alright, this episode Panda Poo?
I

PJ (01:12:42):
For me, it's bifurcated.
if you had just given me thefirst half of this episode, it
would be panda poo.
Nothing really happens.
the issue of the mystery isjumbled up.
It's spaghetti like crazy.
Now, the second half of thisepisode when we hit the action
is awesome.
as I said earlier, it feelsemblematic of the entire series.

Adam (01:13:04):
Mm-hmm.

PJ (01:13:05):
it's a half panda poo for me and half.
Awesome.

Adam (01:13:08):
Agreed.

Kevin (01:13:09):
I am still in my honeymoon phase, so I loved it
all.
I thought it was magical.
I love the opening soundtrack,like literally, like I watched
it and I'm stepping back intothis world.
I'm like, oh my God, this isamazing.
And I saw it two or three timesand obviously by the second or
third view, you can be a littlebit more critical.
But like, I, I, I don't know.
I mean, I think this is a, apless panda for me.

PJ (01:13:31):
All right.

Adam (01:13:32):
and that's why we bring on these other voices now

Kevin (01:13:36):
Fresh eyes,

Adam (01:13:37):
it's all panda poo at this point.
it's been a blast having you onthe pod.
Kevin.
you have,

Kevin (01:13:43):
Thank you

Adam (01:13:43):
we're gonna do a little plug here.
We rarely have guests who haveanything to plug, but you do
'cause you have, a novel that'scoming out soon.
You want to give us a quick plugon it?

Kevin (01:13:52):
Sure thing, the novel is called Mount Forgotten.
It's a multi-generational epicthat deals with the death of a
marriage, birth of a ski town,and an indigenous tribe caught
in the middle.
was a blast to write my firstfiction novel.
Adam and I have written fictiongraphic novels before, but this
is all pros, no pictures.

(01:14:12):
And, yeah, I mean, I wrote itwith the intention of earning
your efforts, meaning if youpick it up, I really want you
guys to enjoy it.
that was the driving force ofcreating a story that could be
fun again, and like, feel bigand epic without the burden of
present day situations cloudingit.
So if you want to enjoy a coupleof days of your time and go in

(01:14:34):
it for the laughs, this is it.

Adam (01:14:36):
And if you loved hearing Kevin's voice, he narrates the
audio book version of it,

Kevin (01:14:40):
Yes,

PJ (01:14:42):
Oh,

Kevin (01:14:42):
That'll come out in high definition, two months later.

Adam (01:14:45):
Mount Forgotten.
pick it up wherever fine booksare sold.
Thanks again, Kevin, for joiningus.

PJ (01:14:53):
Thank you

Kevin (01:14:53):
Thanks guys.
I agree that was a blast.

Adam (01:14:56):
week is episode 39, green Nightmare, venom Agent Vanessa
Warfield Sabotages.
Matt Tracker's private jet.
Which crashes in the jungles ofNew Guinea while returning a
priceless gem.
His father was entrusted withthe rest of the mask team goes
to rescue them.
This could be a great episode.

Kevin (01:15:17):
It also could have the most Buddy Hawk award nominees
of all time.

PJ (01:15:22):
I'll say I've seen it and.
Uh, Kev, Kevin, you might besniffing on the right trail
here, right?

Kevin (01:15:31):
I mean,

PJ (01:15:31):
The

Kevin (01:15:32):
new Guinea alone as a location just breeds so many
questions.
I'm gonna watch it.
I wanna watch it.

Adam (01:15:37):
if you watch it and you love it and you wanna come back,
you're always welcome back onthe pod.

PJ (01:15:41):
Absolutely,

Kevin (01:15:42):
guys.
It was a blast.

Adam (01:15:44):
for now, this podcast does have to transform and head back
to hq.
I am Adam Moore.

PJ (01:15:49):
and I am PJ McNerney.

Adam (01:15:51):
Bye-bye.

Kevin (01:15:52):
Peace.

PJ (01:15:52):
Bye-bye.

Adam (01:15:53):
And we
The mobile armored podcast showis written, produced and edited.
Bye Adam Moore.
And PJ McNerney.