October 9, 2024 • 38 mins
What if the chilling world of serial killers was intertwined with the seemingly mundane act of drinking? Join us as we navigate through the eerie tales of Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy, exploring how alcohol blurred lines of sanity for these notorious murderers. The unsettling reality of Dahmer's heinous crimes and Gacy’s terrifying “killer clown” persona will leave you questioning how such darkness can exist beneath a facade of normalcy. Our discussion takes us deeper into the spine-chilling mystery of the Zodiac Killer, whose cryptic messages continue to haunt the public.
This episode doesn't stop at true crime—understanding what sets a sociopath apart from a psychopath can be crucial for recognizing potentially dangerous individuals. We break down their characteristics and behaviors, delving into environmental factors and sharing startling statistics about the prevalence of psychopaths. You'll gain insights into warning signs and behaviors, which could be critical for ensuring safety in your everyday interactions. This knowledge might just equip you with the tools to better understand the dark nature of some individuals.
After a journey through darkness, we turn to the vibrant world of music festivals. Imagine the pulsating beats of electronic music and the camaraderie of festival-goers; we share personal reflections on the allure of these events and the lifestyle of "Cali sobriety." From the nostalgia of Warped Tour to the lively music scenes across California, we paint a picture of a lifestyle where community and experience take center stage—even if it comes with a hefty price tag. Embrace the sunshine and explore the unique cultural phenomenon that is California living, in all its sun-soaked glory.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Have you ever wondered what drives individuals
to commit unspeakable acts?
Yeah, do you know what contactdermatitis is?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh, it's a spider that gets under your skin.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It might feel that way.
He would actually drink himselfinto oblivion, he would black
out.
And he would actually claim tonot even remember murdering his
victims.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
See, that's the scary part about booze.
Sometimes, when people getblackout, you don't know what
they're capable of.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Right, you could get them to sign your titty.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
This is Mocktails or Messy with Ryan Frankofsky and.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Kelly Musgorski.
For anyone tuning in for yourfirst time, welcome.
We like to discuss debaucherytrain wrecks and we love to do
it with a cocktail or mocktailin hand.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And today, kelly, you brought your pumpkin alcoholic
beer, and then you brought mypumpkin non-elk chai beer.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
You do the mocktails now.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, let's go mocktail uncool with the
gorginess chai.
This looks pretty tasty, Kelly.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It does look good and I tried to find an equivalent.
It's kind of hard.
I got this at Whole Foods.
It is called Star Crumb PumpkinPie Heart Shake.
It's a sour ale.
It's brewed with pumpkin spices, milk, sugar and metagas or
vanilla beans that sounds verytasty and it's cute packaging I
(01:31):
just got the mic wet.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Wouldn't be the first time what are you referring to?
Cheers, cheers, baby girl,mine's really fucking good okay,
mine's kind of weird I almostwant to try, but I can't I know
I mean, it's not that I can't Iguys, I just am like nine months
and I'm like trying to stay onthat streak you know what it
(01:54):
kind of tastes like a chai lattewith alcohol.
Today we're gonna be delvinginto darkness I love it we are
going to be looking inside theminds of serial killers yeah,
pop your mocks or cocks and weare gonna dive deep into the
spookiness between serialkillers and alcoholic drinks
(02:18):
happy fall y'all.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I don't think this has actually been done before.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Are you spooked out right now?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm a little scared.
Have you ever wondered whatdrives individuals to commit
unspeakable acts?
In the shadowy world of aserial killer?
There's a pattern Many turn toalcohol as a means to silence
their inner demons.
A simple drink can transform aseemingly normal individual into
(02:46):
a force of evil.
The line between sanity andmadness blurs with each sip, a
prelude to the poison in theirsouls.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So this is a spooky day.
Today we're getting ready todive into Oktober fest with the
pumpkin beer yes, yeah, okay sojeffrey dommer, jeffrey dommer
do you know what?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
jeffrey dommer gin and tonic okay, so it is rum and
coke oh, what that's weird sodommer.
He would start his night offwith beer.
He would have miller or papsstIs Pabst, blue Ribbon.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Is that it?
That's it.
It's a cheap one, but everybodyliked it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And then he'd move on to the blended stuff, like
scotch or whiskey, and he'dalways mix it with a Coke.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, yeah, they start off slow with the beer and then
they start going for the hardstuff.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's dark.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It is so dark.
This episode is going to bedark, so if you are sensitive to
that type of content, I wouldrecommend clicking out right now
.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, we're a little dark.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know the scorpio and the gemini come together and
we love our halloween oh mygosh, when a scorpio and a
gemini come together, you don'tknow what's gonna happen.
Jeffrey Dahmer is known as theMilwaukee cannibal.
Right, okay, so he committedrape, murder, and he dismembered
(04:14):
at least 17 men and boysbetween 1978 and 1991.
Yep, so he would actually lurehis victims home, he would
promise them money or he wouldlike ask for a favor.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And like, wouldn't he pretend he was like going to do
photo shoot or something?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, he would promise sexual favors, so I could see a
photo shoot happening, you knowyeah.
He would then drug them, so hecouldn't do it.
He didn't do it when theyweren't drugged.
He would drug them, so hecouldn't do it.
He didn't do it when theyweren't drugged.
He would drug them and then hewould strangle them.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
What a dark motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, I guess he did like have a lot of issues
with, like the taxidermyobsession.
Yes, Weird.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, he definitely had family issues.
Unfortunately, he would thenstrangle them.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
engage you're so like coy about it, strangle them he
would engage in acts ofnecrophilia, then oh yeah, he
would then dismember them andand then he would eat them,
right or throw them in thefreezer?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, he would eat them .
Cook them up.
They were in the freezer too,but he would eat them yes.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Like cook them up on the skillet.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
He'd cut them up, probably, so they'd fit in the
freezer.
And he'd bake them or put themon the skillet, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's so foul.
It's really disgusting.
I know we're laughing about it,but God, that is so sad.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And then they made a big thing on the documentary and
talked about how we, in honorof all these men and boys that
have been it's so fucked.
He was caught in 1991 when oneof his victims did manage to
escape, thank God.
I know I can't believe he wasable to hide it for that long
that's what's scary about theseserial killers is they are in.
They are extremely intelligentyeah, and deceptive and we'll go
(06:15):
over that later.
Um, but yeah, he was caught in1991, sentenced to 15
consecutive life terms in prisonin other words, he's not
getting out ever, but he wasactually killed by a fellow
inmate in 1994 wow that's uh,jeffrey that's jeffrey for you
and he likes his rum and coke.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Start off with a paps blue ribbon or a lager and then
switch over to the liquor rumand coke and then maybe the
blended scotch okay so now weknow what jeffrey dalmer like.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
What the fuck okay, do you know ted bundy?
He was very introverted and shyactually, and he was very
attractive oh, yeah, he was likea hottie.
Yeah, yes, be careful why hecould fly under the radar,
because it's like anunsuspecting appearance.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
He didn't look creepy yeah, and he was charming so
it's like he drew people in yeah, with that like little wit,
that little smirk, yeah, littlesnake slithering through the
grass, you know, charming yeah,like those little boa
constrictors, they like dance tothe music, right yeah?
And then they go yeah, exactly,just attack.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So he liked malt liquor, which I don't even know
what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That sounds disgusting.
It's like Colt 45 and 266 Baby.
That's all we need.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Have you heard of this Mickey's Big Mouth?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Malt liquor.
I feel like it's kind of likeColt 45.
So when I hear malt liquor Ithink it's like a beer with a
liquor mix.
Okay, yeah, it sounds gross, Icould be wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I just don't like the malt taste Like personally I
don't.
He would have some like redwine with a nice dinner.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's normal, yeah, so kind of cute.
Yeah, he actually okay, it'snormal.
Yeah, so kind of cute.
Yeah, he actually Okay.
So he actually terrorizedmultiple states in 1970s and, as
we said, he was known for hisgood looks, charm and like
cunning, manipulation, and hewould lure young woman in.
He would actually act like he'slike injured or needs help and
(08:25):
it's like, oh, he's just likeattractive, alluring young man.
Surely I'm going to help himright, but he confessed to
killing 30 women.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What years were those ?
What year was that?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That was in 19.
Well, I know in 1975 he wascaught, so prior to that he
killed 30 women, but the numbersare believed to actually be
higher than that that's kind ofscary.
He would sexually assault them,torture them when they say that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I'm like, do they really have any ounce of good?
I'm like, do they really havelike any ounce of good?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No, I mean, he would even revisit their corpses and
have another go have anotherblow, oh God.
He just did a killing spree foryears and he was caught and he
actually he managed to escapecustody twice, which I don't
(09:27):
even know how the hell thathappens.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's bizarre, because that makes me think like
is it just such a smart guythat?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
he could just escape.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, wow, we need more details on that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I know, right, that's weird.
He did, you know, get executedin the electric chair in um 1989
so he's all gone, he's all goneand um, I guess the terrifying
reality the terrifying realityis someone could be so charming
and so attractive and you stillcan't trust anybody.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I know like you I am not.
I'm kidding.
You could say the same thingabout that's.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's what's scary, is like you could say it about a
lot of people like oh, they'recharming and they're attractive,
like automatically you trustpeople that are charming.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's just human nature, yeah that's true and,
like you, kind of picture aserial killer being all messed
up looking.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So when they're put together, it's very unassuming
yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, we take it for granted.
And then you sometimes catchyourself when you watch all
these date lines and you're justlike okay, wait, that could
actually be your life.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So you're always kind of I think that stuff can maybe
paranoia you, and then hearingthese stories like God, Right,
and this is just like the tip ofthe icebergs.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
On these stories, we're obviously not delving into
too much detail.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We're just giving you a little like synopsis on it
For the time of year.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, it's good to know, right.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Spooky for October.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, you know what?
I watched that documentary.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
that was whack he's the killer clown.
Yeah, yeah, john wayne gacy, heloved j and b scotch j and b.
Oh yeah, we've seen that justjusterini and brooks is what j
andmb is okay he was known asthe killer clown fucking
terrifying he would actuallydrink himself into oblivion, he
(11:32):
would black out and he wouldactually claim to not even
remember, like murdering hisvictims, see that's the scary
part about booze.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Sometimes, yeah, people get like blackout.
You don't know what they'recapable of, right, and I think
that's a lot of reasons why,like, there is so serious like
the dui charges, because, likeyou know, you don't know what
you're doing on the road, youcan't fucking operate a motor
vehicle usually, and so like,with a blackout, like if you get
so angry you could try and beatup a cop or you just could
(12:05):
fucking, like you know, try tolike kill somebody, like this
killer clown I mean, have youever seen someone black out and
like their eyes literally glazeover?
like their soul has left theirbody, and I'm not saying I've
seen they're, it's like, it'snot them anymore oh yeah, like
I've definitely been like that.
I think somebody told me like Iwas like kind of like, not
(12:27):
there oh, okay that was brian.
He told me that yeah, your ex.
Yeah, that was like a weirdthing to be told because I think
people had saw it before when Iwould like party on like vegas
bachelor parties and all thatshit but we were all there
together interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I feel like I've actually never blacked out
before yeah, you're good aboutit.
You don't like take it to thenext, next level and even like
when we used to like be likewild children back in like
college or even high school, orwait, you didn't even party in
high school, which is so weirdto me I still can't believe that
I was too into like being likein my sports, like track and
(13:08):
cross country was my life and Iwasn't about to fuck it up I
wasn't gonna fuck that up withalcohol and I just wasn't
interested wait, what about atmy 16th birthday?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I didn't, he didn't, you were just like chugging red
bull, like us I don't, I don'teven think I had anything.
I may probably water yourhusband was putting fucking
coconut parrot bay.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's why I didn't.
I didn't fuck with him.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I didn't fuck with him back then I know I was
trying to be good, but he'sputting parrot bay coconut rum
in my red jesus so, yeah, thisblackout thing is scary, john
gacy, john wayne gacy, johnwayne gacy.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, he murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young
men, and he actually like buriedtheir bodies under his house,
like under the John Wayne Gacy.
John Wayne Gacy yeah, hemurdered at least 33 teenage
boys and young men and heactually like buried their
bodies under his house, likeunder the foundation of his
house.
So that's how police actuallycaught him.
Um, there was somethingsuspicious and they went and
investigated and they started tofind bodies under the house and
(14:01):
on his property.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I think that was when the documentary kind of took
off.
They had the cops like actualfootage yeah, digging up like in
the basement.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, so he was actually.
He was executed by lethalinjection.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Right, a little bit more humane.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
They have passed in different ways.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But I mean there's another one that we don't know
their favorite drink that Ithought might be fun because
it's unsolved okay so that'd bethe zodiac killer yeah, that is
such a weird situation.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I still, like, am shocked that they have not found
him that was in like the 60sand 70s and um it's.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's thought that there's been like 37 murders,
five to 37.
I know that's a big range.
Yeah, he used to actually writeinto the paper like I need help
.
I'm about to like kill my nextvictim yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
He would ask for help through like public forum you
wonder if it's like part of it,like wants the attention
probably like why would you?
Like write into a public forumback in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's almost like you were a celebrity if you were a
killer, because everyone knewabout you.
You're all over the news hewould write in and he would
always sign with like a symbolresembling a crosshair target.
So it'd be like a circle with alittle.
But yeah, zodiac Killer neverhas been caught.
We don't know whatever came ofhim.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, hopefully he's dead.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So this is something really creepy that I just think
should be brought to people'sawareness, especially in the
spooky month Spooky, but at alltimes of the year.
Yeah, do you know what contactdermatitis is?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Contact dermatitis.
It's something to do with yourskin.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Is it a oh, it's a spider that gets under your skin
.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It might feel that way to those who have it so it's
caused by exposure todecomposing fluid or other
chemicals yeah, oh no, when Iwas living in san diego, I had a
co-worker who told me a storyabout a friend she had it was a
(16:24):
bachelorette party.
They all went to vegas greattime great time this girl little
debaucherous littledebaucherous right.
She met a guy at a bar, wenthome with him oh gosh and after
she left tell me they didn'thave like unprotected sex well,
I'm not sure, but she went homeand she had a rash.
(16:46):
She just got this rash like allover her body, what itchy,
scaly, like disgusting rash.
It was bad.
She had to go to the hospital,okay and um, basically, the
hospital was like we need thislike name and address, like due
to like whatever bacteria theyfound it was from a decomposing
(17:09):
body.
Why would he have?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
it.
Why would he have that?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
right.
So she she actually contractedthis rash, like from fluids that
were on the linens oh my god,please tell me he didn't kill
somebody so they found likebodies in his home.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think it was like four so he, she went home with
some dude in vegas somehow hedidn't kill her wow maybe he was
too drunk or something, I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Maybe he passed out before he did that.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
They ended up fine, like they made a correlation
with the rash that she got andthen she they investigated
further they.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
They investigated further because it was only the
bacteria would have beencontracted by a deceased person
oh, so they had to, they prettymuch had to like investigate
further they notified police andstuff like that and that's
pretty intricate yeah, sobasically there must have been a
decomposing body on thoselinens in his bed everything
(18:16):
today is like I can't there wasa woman in cleveland who she had
, like really chopped itchy dry,swollen lips okay.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Everything you're describing today is making me
sick.
Sorry, but you seem verycomfortable discussing it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
She's trying to treat it with like lip balm, Like oh,
I'm just like chopped right,Right.
But she ended up having to likego to the doctor again like
this other girl and umdecomposing body.
Turns out, her boyfriend hadpassed two weeks prior and um
she like was kissing, kissed himin the casket, not thinking
(19:01):
anything of it yeah, andcontracted this like I didn't
realize that this was so likecontagious I don't think it
typically is like a common thing, but it's something that can
happen if you come in contactwith the deceased well makes you
think next time that you'relike seeing somebody that you
(19:22):
love in a casket and you want tomaybe just touch their hand.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean, I always felt very weird about that, but some
people are very comfortablewith grabbing their hand to say
goodbye.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I've never done it and I know that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You couldn't do it.
Even I've seen people kissingthem.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I have, oh, no, I have a few times yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Maybe that's just they're connected and they want
to give a last kiss.
I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, maybe you'd have to have an open wound and
that's how it gets in there andspreads.
But yeah, contact dermatitis isa thing.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh fuck, Yep, that's weird baby girl.
I don't like the sound of that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, baby girl, I don't like the sound of that,
yeah.
So anyways, we we examined likecommon traits amongst serial
killers how?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
a lot of them do turn to alcohol, to kind of turn off
their like sensory details ormaybe their like willingness to
be like good I don't know whatthe right like terminology is
like they just shut off their.
If you have any likeconsciousness, like you don't
(20:33):
want to fucking kill anybody,that that's just so dark, that's
evil.
But then it's also, on top ofthat, take the evil and darkness
out of the equation.
You're not that smart to thinkthat you could get away with it
right.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, I will say you're kind of hitting the nail
on the head here, because a lotof them and this isn't not every
like serial killer is apsychopath or a sociopath, but
it is a common trend what is asociopath like?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I've heard it all the time.
I don't know really understandthat word.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, so there is a difference between sociopath and
psychopath.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay.
So, psychopath, I kind ofunderstand.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, psychopath is a person who's often
characterized by like shallowemotions.
They're manipulative, they lackempathy and remorse.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yes, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, and they have a tendency towards impulsivity
and sensation seeking.
Could be killing people, couldbe like petting their dog, I
don't know yeah, you know it'snot like, or sex, it could be
anything it's not like.
Just because you're apsychopath or sociopath does not
(21:44):
by any means mean that you arecapable of murder, killing, yeah
Right.
And then like sociopaths theyare typically associated with,
like more chaotic upbringings.
It's like more environmental.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
They like to lie a lot and they believe their lies.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, they disregard societal norms.
Okay, yeah, lies.
Yes, they disregard societalnorms.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
They lack empathy.
Also they're impulsive, alsoInteresting.
They could have a background inlike breaking the law.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's kind of, I think, easier to spot a
sociopath than a psychopath.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's what I'm gathering here.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, okay, that's what I'm gathering here?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, but I want to ask you what you think Out of
every 20,000 people, how many doyou think have murdered someone
?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh damn, 20,000.
Let's see, okay, so thatbecomes like a poll, like that's
basically half of my university, penn State.
So out of the half of PennStaters that were in school
while I was there, how many?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's a fun way to look at it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, like half of the campus.
How many murdered somebody?
I would say maybe just like two.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's close, so it's one.
It's about one in 20.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, one in 20,000.
I think it's more like two.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It says one, that's who's caught Right.
So we don't catch everyone, soit's probably closer to two.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That's interesting.
Yeah, you know what's?
Some fucked up shit.
My driving instructor back inthe day when I was like 15 16,
he was like just saying ifyou're gonna murder somebody, do
it in a motor vehicle.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There's so many variables, what the fuck like
when you're like 15 or 16,learning to drive that he's like
.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't know if he was trying to be funny.
I mean, he was an old man, hewas fucking hilarious.
Then there was that darkcomment that I'm like.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You've had some weird things.
That is fucking weird, LikeWell speaking of like
psychopaths and sociopaths onein a hundred are, so it's kind
of like one in a hundred is likecould be capable Psychopaths
one in a hundred are, so it'skind of like one in a hundred
could be capable.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I didn't realize that narcissists were so
common in society.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, I heard that's like one in ten.
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That makes sense.
But one in a hundred apsychopath, yeah.
So that makes me realize we arecoming in contact with them
yearly.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
You could just be passing them when you're in the
grocery store.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's just a common thing that people don't truly
think about a lot.
I don't normally think aboutthat.
I mean, I do always have myhead on a swivel, but yes, I've
learned that too.
According to the NationalMissing and Unidentified Person
System, no-transcript.
(24:58):
So there's a lot that aren'tever caught.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And, unfortunately, a lot of individuals who are
never found.
What the?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
fuck.
I mean, it makes me a littlebit like the chills are running,
like it makes me feel like okay, watch out.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Like maybe more of a swivel, like you know how we get
older, like we get more worriedabout things when you're young,
you just kind of are likewhatever do you ever just get
like the shutters when you'relike driving down the highway
yeah I, I have that happensometimes and I'm like um, like
you just never know where a bodymight have been, like chucked
or something.
A body like chucked out of avehicle.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I mean, that's something that could have like.
Yeah, like, I guess, when youthink about it, yeah, I could
see that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I mean you hear these stories where a trucker pulls
off to like pee on the side of ahighway and they kind of like
go into the woods and they seelike a skeleton or something
that happens.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Is that spooky, or what?
To see a skeleton hanging outon the fucking side of the road.
So spooky.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
We do want to recognize the warning signs,
though.
We want to keep our viewerssafe and we want to stay safe.
Warning signs I've got a listhere.
I'm going to just write it off.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I love warning signs Like, yeah, we need this today.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We want to keep you safe, not only from killers, but
just from harm in general.
There's people out there thatwill harm you, so potential red
flags of behavior would consider.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You're such a mom with all these little tips and
tricks.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Oh, I am.
I don't want to see anyone hurt.
So you know history of violence.
That's a red flag, lack ofempathy.
Yeah, that's fucked up Pastcriminal activity.
I mean that's a given right.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know you don't care about the law.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right, yeah, if you don't care that person, that's a
red flag.
Behavioral changes like sudden,insignificant changes in like
behavior, mood or personality.
Someone's like kind ofunpredictable, yeah that's a red
flag.
Um, like a deep fascinationwith like weapons or violence
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yeah um isolation, or they'realienating themselves?
Um, maybe don't pursue themunless you know them, and you
know like if they need help,obviously please help them.
Um, substance abuse is a redflag and uh.
Lastly, harming animals.
A lot of serial killers dostart off harming animals before
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they do proceed to harmingpeople yeah, that's dark.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I mean I wouldn't want to like.
As much as I'm not an animallover, I would never want to
hurt an animal.
That seems sad, right, and likeempathetic, like as much as you
won't be tough, and stuff likeyou definitely like, have some
compassion when people arehurting exactly you know, even
if it's not somebody that you'relike a big fan of, you still
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like want to just be a human, bea good human right.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
My heart hurts, like when other people hurt yeah, for
sure so how are we going tostay safe out there, guys?
We are going to stay aware ofour surroundings.
Let's put the phone down whenwe're walking right, let's have
our head on the swivel, bepresent in the moment.
Pay attention to what's goingon around you I know we're gonna
avoid risky situations.
So like, if it's dark out, maybedon't like walk alone.
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If, especially if you're awoman and um, avoid like poorly
lit activities whenever I'mtraveling and stuff like that, I
always make sure I park my carunder a street light or
something like that.
Don't ever park in the dark, umif that's a red flag, yeah
don't do that um stay in likepopulated areas, right um stay
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connected, let a friend knowwhere you are, or family members
.
Share your location withsomebody that you trust.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well, I know some people when they're going to
hook up after the apps or meetup with a new date they always
text a friend Like, hey, I'mgoing here and I should be done
and available.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
If you're not doing that, then please do.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, start doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I mean, I even think like even as a man?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
do you do that?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
No.
Oh, you should, I mean I thinkI get asked to do it, but then
you know how sometimes you'rejust like.
I'm not going to always likeremember.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh my gosh, you're so risky.
But yeah, stay connected, letpeople know where your
whereabouts are.
Self-defense and if someonedoes try to grab you, be loud.
They don't want to deal withyou if you're loud and hard to
deal with?
No, not at all.
So be loud, don't just go Fightback.
Fight back as best you can,because once they take you, your
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chances of survival dropsignificantly.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And trust your instincts.
We've all heard of the sixthsense, right?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh, I feel in that a lot this year, being like
completely clear.
Yeah, you get a bad vibetrusting my sixth sense is like
been hitting it hard, like gutinstinct, like just I don't know
, just being a little bit morelike insightful, intuitive, like
you know how, when we were justyounger we would just jump into
the deep end.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh yeah, well, be mindful If you are drinking
alcohol your sixth sense isprobably being hushed a bit.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh yeah, it's dimmed a bit, so you need to be mindful
of that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Be mindful when you're consuming alcohol.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Oh, yeah, or even smoking pot.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's in a good spot.
Oh yeah, or even smoking pot.
Yeah, you know like you justnever know right, um, and then
like lastly, just make sure youdo have your phone with you and
that you can access emergencycommunication quickly if you
need to and charge it.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, don't let it die.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, don't be like you your phone is always dead
right like why is that I?
I don't know it's like the add,but anyways, that was pretty
good tips and tricks I know Ilike that your tips and tricks
are related to the spooky seasonyeah, I mean, it's my favorite
time of the year and I do likebeing a little spooked out I
know you get off to like beingscared now we did get some like
(31:18):
we did do a Uh-huh, and this issomething that I wanted to talk
to you right now and see whatyou wanted to do.
So, I asked our viewers onInstagram what they'd like to
see in future episodes.
And there's one that I reallywould like to do.
Yeah, so local haunted places,oh fuck yes, please.
(31:41):
I really want to Hauntedhayride or know the places.
Oh fuck, yes, please, I reallywant to Haunted hayride?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No, like real.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Not like a fake haunted hayride, like actual
haunted spots in the area.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Now we are in Pittsburgh.
We're in Pittsburgh.
It's a little spooky here.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So I think in the next, within this month, we're
going to go ahead and travelaround to different locations.
That are haunted.
If you have a location that isknown to be like haunted, please
drop it below, because we mightnot be aware of it.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Drop it in the comments.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
We want to make sure we can visit these locations.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I know I'm excited to do it with you because most
people I was friends with orwould be connected with are like
no, no, no, no, I'm too scaredand I couldn't do it by myself.
That would be, I'll do it withyou.
I'm a thrill seeker.
You are my thrill seeker, babygirl.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
No, I missed you.
You were in San Francisco.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Tell me what you did.
Well, you know, you can't saysan fran.
The san franciscans will say no, san fran.
That's an automatic no, no redflag that you are not from here
and you don't.
You just don't call it thatit's so easy to just say san
fran right, so what, what can Icall it?
you can call it sf, you can callit the city, you can call it
san francisco, you just can'tcall it San Fran.
(33:03):
Okay, I know, isn't that weird?
Yeah, I don't understand it.
I mean, I guess it's just likea thing, but it was for a design
conference, silicon ValleyDesign Fair.
I was asked to go.
It was really a greatexperience to get back into
design and, like, even though Ididn't get to go to salone de
(33:24):
mobile in milan this year, I didreally still know a lot of
these designer contacts frommeeting them in milan and leave,
like working in la.
So it was just a greatexperience.
And then actually connectedwith a friend that I knew he was
there the same time and then wehad gotten tickets.
On sunday there was, like youknow, really great music
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festival.
Holy shit, kelly, I am like mymind is blown.
This fucking music is notgetting out of my fucking head.
Like I'm just like constantlylooking for rufus de sol, which
is like this electronic dj andhe'll like come in with like the
nice voice, like all of themare european djs sets, but they
(34:12):
have that electronic music thata lot of people were on molly
and pot and just like they were.
It was like a fucking festival.
So like I can understand whypeople take drugs and go to
these things, because the baseis just so fucking loud Like I
had to wear earplugs.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Because it was just so intense.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I could have handled it.
But then you're like hearingwould have been shot.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So I was just like you know what, be proactive,
wear the plugs.
They have them there.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I hate that.
Wear the plugs, they have themthere.
I hate that you go to the club,you walk out and it's like
you're underwater, like youcan't recover, like your ears
are just like oh my god, and youknow it's so funny rufus, this
soul.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I don't know if I'm saying his name right, but
that's one of the songsunderwater, oh my gosh okay
literally like I mean there isnot only him we need to jam girl
, like you would have fuckingloved it.
I could see you like a littlebuzzing, like maybe you're like
a Red Bull vodka.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Maybe, like I mean, you know me, like I would love
to be Cali sober, but I amreally just staying clear of the
pot.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And we have gone over this Cali sober thing before,
but why don't you explain itagain?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yes, again, yes.
So cali sober is basically youare completely clear of alcohol
or drugs, but you mix in alittle bit of pot and maybe
mushrooms, like microdosing.
I'm not really sure if it'smushrooms, but I know, like my
(35:38):
definition of cali sober back inthe day, like whenever I tried
it when I was working with thetrainer.
He's like hey, the booze doesnot respond to you.
You're holding water, you'renot showing your abs, you're not
getting as ripped.
So I would rather you do Calisober, which is just like the
edibles or like a joint.
(36:07):
But I guess, to be honest withyou, like these people were just
like jamming and like know, Idon't think they really had a
problem, because to go to thisfestival like you just spend
five to like nine hundreddollars for a fucking ticket.
After experiencing it I'm like,oh hell, yes, I will definitely
be taking up the nextopportunity.
Any friends or any like musicgoers, we have this little posse
, this crew that you have tomeet sometime.
They, they just like loved eachother.
They connected so well.
It felt like a little likefamily, all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I've never been to a music festival, except there's
one that comes to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I can't remember the name of it.
Oh, was it?
Warped Tour back in the day,warped Tour.
I've been to Warped Tour.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It was cute, it was fun, I mean, I was in high
school.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Katy Perry was there before she.
She was there whenever she did.
I kissed a girl and I liked it.
303.
303 was there when I went.
303 was fucking good, right,yeah, and it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And I remember you could go to the tents and meet
the bands and the artists?
Oh yes, and you could get themto sign your titties or your
shirt yeah, your titties get asharpie out, yeah for sure well,
I mean, I definitely want to goback to like a music fest.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
If they have any opportunity we gotta go with.
Mocktails are messy, you know,maybe interview some of the
fucking artists or even the likeconcert goers, because that
beat and dancing like we got atthat daybreaker oh my gosh, yes
it was something that just feltright, like my body was feeling
it, like I'm now craving thebeat, like with the music's loud
(37:33):
enough, you don't need thebooze.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, no doubt you just get the vibration in your
head.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh my god, I felt totally like on another level
and people were like what thefuck like, are you like?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
okay, I know people are like always I I've seen you
get this way before and peopleare like, what is your friend on
?
And I'm like, oh, actually he'snot on anything he's just and
they don't understand.
High on life baby yeah, well,you definitely have that cali
glow going um.
I miss living in san, in SanDiego, all the time.
I mean you pay for the sunshineout there, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's a California membership.
That's what it is.
They're so expensive.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
It's so expensive to live there.
But it's a membership.
It's a membership, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I'm not kidding you, there's something about it.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I know.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Well, it was so nice seeing you today and catching up
and talking about spooky things.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's so dark.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Thank you for listening to Mocktails or Messy.
This is Kelly Msgorski.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And Ryan Frankovsky Cheers, cheers.
Have you ever wondered what drives individuals
to commit unspeakable acts?
Yeah, do you know what contactdermatitis is?
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Oh, it's a spider that gets under your skin.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
It might feel that way.
He would actually drink himselfinto oblivion, he would black
out.
And he would actually claim tonot even remember murdering his
victims.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
See, that's the scary part about booze.
Sometimes, when people getblackout, you don't know what
they're capable of.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Right, you could get them to sign your titty.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
This is Mocktails or Messy with Ryan Frankofsky and.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Kelly Musgorski.
For anyone tuning in for yourfirst time, welcome.
We like to discuss debaucherytrain wrecks and we love to do
it with a cocktail or mocktailin hand.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
And today, kelly, you brought your pumpkin alcoholic
beer, and then you brought mypumpkin non-elk chai beer.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
You do the mocktails now.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, let's go mocktail uncool with the
gorginess chai.
This looks pretty tasty, Kelly.
What do you think?
Speaker 1 (01:09):
It does look good and I tried to find an equivalent.
It's kind of hard.
I got this at Whole Foods.
It is called Star Crumb PumpkinPie Heart Shake.
It's a sour ale.
It's brewed with pumpkin spices, milk, sugar and metagas or
vanilla beans that sounds verytasty and it's cute packaging I
(01:31):
just got the mic wet.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Wouldn't be the first time what are you referring to?
Cheers, cheers, baby girl,mine's really fucking good okay,
mine's kind of weird I almostwant to try, but I can't I know
I mean, it's not that I can't Iguys, I just am like nine months
and I'm like trying to stay onthat streak you know what it
(01:54):
kind of tastes like a chai lattewith alcohol.
Today we're gonna be delvinginto darkness I love it we are
going to be looking inside theminds of serial killers yeah,
pop your mocks or cocks and weare gonna dive deep into the
spookiness between serialkillers and alcoholic drinks
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happy fall y'all.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
I don't think this has actually been done before.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Are you spooked out right now?
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I'm a little scared.
Have you ever wondered whatdrives individuals to commit
unspeakable acts?
In the shadowy world of aserial killer?
There's a pattern Many turn toalcohol as a means to silence
their inner demons.
A simple drink can transform aseemingly normal individual into
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a force of evil.
The line between sanity andmadness blurs with each sip, a
prelude to the poison in theirsouls.
Speaker 2 (02:58):
So this is a spooky day.
Today we're getting ready todive into Oktober fest with the
pumpkin beer yes, yeah, okay sojeffrey dommer, jeffrey dommer
do you know what?
Speaker 1 (03:09):
jeffrey dommer gin and tonic okay, so it is rum and
coke oh, what that's weird sodommer.
He would start his night offwith beer.
He would have miller or papsstIs Pabst, blue Ribbon.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Is that it?
That's it.
It's a cheap one, but everybodyliked it.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
And then he'd move on to the blended stuff, like
scotch or whiskey, and he'dalways mix it with a Coke.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Oh God.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
So, yeah, they start off slow with the beer and then
they start going for the hardstuff.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's dark.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
It is so dark.
This episode is going to bedark, so if you are sensitive to
that type of content, I wouldrecommend clicking out right now
.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
Yeah, we're a little dark.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You know the scorpio and the gemini come together and
we love our halloween oh mygosh, when a scorpio and a
gemini come together, you don'tknow what's gonna happen.
Jeffrey Dahmer is known as theMilwaukee cannibal.
Right, okay, so he committedrape, murder, and he dismembered
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at least 17 men and boysbetween 1978 and 1991.
Yep, so he would actually lurehis victims home, he would
promise them money or he wouldlike ask for a favor.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And like, wouldn't he pretend he was like going to do
photo shoot or something?
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, he would promise sexual favors, so I could see a
photo shoot happening, you knowyeah.
He would then drug them, so hecouldn't do it.
He didn't do it when theyweren't drugged.
He would drug them, so hecouldn't do it.
He didn't do it when theyweren't drugged.
He would drug them and then hewould strangle them.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
What a dark motherfucker.
Speaker 1 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
I mean, I guess he did like have a lot of issues
with, like the taxidermyobsession.
Yes, Weird.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, he definitely had family issues.
Unfortunately, he would thenstrangle them.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
engage you're so like coy about it, strangle them he
would engage in acts ofnecrophilia, then oh yeah, he
would then dismember them andand then he would eat them,
right or throw them in thefreezer?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
No, he would eat them .
Cook them up.
They were in the freezer too,but he would eat them yes.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
Like cook them up on the skillet.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
He'd cut them up, probably, so they'd fit in the
freezer.
And he'd bake them or put themon the skillet, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
That's so foul.
It's really disgusting.
I know we're laughing about it,but God, that is so sad.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
And then they made a big thing on the documentary and
talked about how we, in honorof all these men and boys that
have been it's so fucked.
He was caught in 1991 when oneof his victims did manage to
escape, thank God.
I know I can't believe he wasable to hide it for that long
that's what's scary about theseserial killers is they are in.
They are extremely intelligentyeah, and deceptive and we'll go
(06:15):
over that later.
Um, but yeah, he was caught in1991, sentenced to 15
consecutive life terms in prisonin other words, he's not
getting out ever, but he wasactually killed by a fellow
inmate in 1994 wow that's uh,jeffrey that's jeffrey for you
and he likes his rum and coke.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
Start off with a paps blue ribbon or a lager and then
switch over to the liquor rumand coke and then maybe the
blended scotch okay so now weknow what jeffrey dalmer like.
Speaker 1 (06:48):
What the fuck okay, do you know ted bundy?
He was very introverted and shyactually, and he was very
attractive oh, yeah, he was likea hottie.
Yeah, yes, be careful why hecould fly under the radar,
because it's like anunsuspecting appearance.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
He didn't look creepy yeah, and he was charming so
it's like he drew people in yeah, with that like little wit,
that little smirk, yeah, littlesnake slithering through the
grass, you know, charming yeah,like those little boa
constrictors, they like dance tothe music, right yeah?
And then they go yeah, exactly,just attack.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
So he liked malt liquor, which I don't even know
what that is.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
That sounds disgusting.
It's like Colt 45 and 266 Baby.
That's all we need.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
Have you heard of this Mickey's Big Mouth?
Speaker 2 (07:39):
Malt liquor.
I feel like it's kind of likeColt 45.
So when I hear malt liquor Ithink it's like a beer with a
liquor mix.
Okay, yeah, it sounds gross, Icould be wrong.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
I just don't like the malt taste Like personally I
don't.
He would have some like redwine with a nice dinner.
Speaker 2 (07:58):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (07:59):
That's normal, yeah, so kind of cute.
Yeah, he actually okay, it'snormal.
Yeah, so kind of cute.
Yeah, he actually Okay.
So he actually terrorizedmultiple states in 1970s and, as
we said, he was known for hisgood looks, charm and like
cunning, manipulation, and hewould lure young woman in.
He would actually act like he'slike injured or needs help and
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it's like, oh, he's just likeattractive, alluring young man.
Surely I'm going to help himright, but he confessed to
killing 30 women.
Speaker 2 (08:35):
What years were those ?
What year was that?
Speaker 1 (08:39):
That was in 19.
Well, I know in 1975 he wascaught, so prior to that he
killed 30 women, but the numbersare believed to actually be
higher than that that's kind ofscary.
He would sexually assault them,torture them when they say that
stuff.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
I'm like, do they really have any ounce of good?
I'm like, do they really havelike any ounce of good?
Speaker 1 (09:04):
No, I mean, he would even revisit their corpses and
have another go have anotherblow, oh God.
He just did a killing spree foryears and he was caught and he
actually he managed to escapecustody twice, which I don't
(09:27):
even know how the hell thathappens.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
That's bizarre, because that makes me think like
is it just such a smart guythat?
Speaker 1 (09:35):
he could just escape.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Yeah, wow, we need more details on that.
Speaker 1 (09:40):
I know, right, that's weird.
He did, you know, get executedin the electric chair in um 1989
so he's all gone, he's all goneand um, I guess the terrifying
reality the terrifying realityis someone could be so charming
and so attractive and you stillcan't trust anybody.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I know like you I am not.
I'm kidding.
You could say the same thingabout that's.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
That's what's scary, is like you could say it about a
lot of people like oh, they'recharming and they're attractive,
like automatically you trustpeople that are charming.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
It's just human nature, yeah that's true and,
like you, kind of picture aserial killer being all messed
up looking.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
So when they're put together, it's very unassuming
yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, we take it for granted.
And then you sometimes catchyourself when you watch all
these date lines and you're justlike okay, wait, that could
actually be your life.
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
So you're always kind of I think that stuff can maybe
paranoia you, and then hearingthese stories like God, Right,
and this is just like the tip ofthe icebergs.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
On these stories, we're obviously not delving into
too much detail.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
We're just giving you a little like synopsis on it
For the time of year.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
I mean, it's good to know, right.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Spooky for October.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
So John Wayne Gacy.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, you know what?
I watched that documentary.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
that was whack he's the killer clown.
Yeah, yeah, john wayne gacy, heloved j and b scotch j and b.
Oh yeah, we've seen that justjusterini and brooks is what j
andmb is okay he was known asthe killer clown fucking
terrifying he would actuallydrink himself into oblivion, he
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would black out and he wouldactually claim to not even
remember, like murdering hisvictims, see that's the scary
part about booze.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
Sometimes, yeah, people get like blackout.
You don't know what they'recapable of, right, and I think
that's a lot of reasons why,like, there is so serious like
the dui charges, because, likeyou know, you don't know what
you're doing on the road, youcan't fucking operate a motor
vehicle usually, and so like,with a blackout, like if you get
so angry you could try and beatup a cop or you just could
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fucking, like you know, try tolike kill somebody, like this
killer clown I mean, have youever seen someone black out and
like their eyes literally glazeover?
like their soul has left theirbody, and I'm not saying I've
seen they're, it's like, it'snot them anymore oh yeah, like
I've definitely been like that.
I think somebody told me like Iwas like kind of like, not
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there oh, okay that was brian.
He told me that yeah, your ex.
Yeah, that was like a weirdthing to be told because I think
people had saw it before when Iwould like party on like vegas
bachelor parties and all thatshit but we were all there
together interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:44):
I feel like I've actually never blacked out
before yeah, you're good aboutit.
You don't like take it to thenext, next level and even like
when we used to like be likewild children back in like
college or even high school, orwait, you didn't even party in
high school, which is so weirdto me I still can't believe that
I was too into like being likein my sports, like track and
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cross country was my life and Iwasn't about to fuck it up I
wasn't gonna fuck that up withalcohol and I just wasn't
interested wait, what about atmy 16th birthday?
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I didn't, he didn't, you were just like chugging red
bull, like us I don't, I don'teven think I had anything.
I may probably water yourhusband was putting fucking
coconut parrot bay.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
That's why I didn't.
I didn't fuck with him.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
I didn't fuck with him back then I know I was
trying to be good, but he'sputting parrot bay coconut rum
in my red jesus so, yeah, thisblackout thing is scary, john
gacy, john wayne gacy, johnwayne gacy.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yeah, he murdered at least 33 teenage boys and young
men, and he actually like buriedtheir bodies under his house,
like under the John Wayne Gacy.
John Wayne Gacy yeah, hemurdered at least 33 teenage
boys and young men and heactually like buried their
bodies under his house, likeunder the foundation of his
house.
So that's how police actuallycaught him.
Um, there was somethingsuspicious and they went and
investigated and they started tofind bodies under the house and
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on his property.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I think that was when the documentary kind of took
off.
They had the cops like actualfootage yeah, digging up like in
the basement.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, so he was actually.
He was executed by lethalinjection.
Speaker 2 (14:17):
Right, a little bit more humane.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
They have passed in different ways.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Uh-huh.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
But I mean there's another one that we don't know
their favorite drink that Ithought might be fun because
it's unsolved okay so that'd bethe zodiac killer yeah, that is
such a weird situation.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
I still, like, am shocked that they have not found
him that was in like the 60sand 70s and um it's.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's thought that there's been like 37 murders,
five to 37.
I know that's a big range.
Yeah, he used to actually writeinto the paper like I need help
.
I'm about to like kill my nextvictim yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
He would ask for help through like public forum you
wonder if it's like part of it,like wants the attention
probably like why would you?
Like write into a public forumback in the 90s.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's almost like you were a celebrity if you were a
killer, because everyone knewabout you.
You're all over the news hewould write in and he would
always sign with like a symbolresembling a crosshair target.
So it'd be like a circle with alittle.
But yeah, zodiac Killer neverhas been caught.
We don't know whatever came ofhim.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Yeah, hopefully he's dead.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
So this is something really creepy that I just think
should be brought to people'sawareness, especially in the
spooky month Spooky, but at alltimes of the year.
Yeah, do you know what contactdermatitis is?
Speaker 2 (15:51):
Contact dermatitis.
It's something to do with yourskin.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Is it a oh, it's a spider that gets under your skin
.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It might feel that way to those who have it so it's
caused by exposure todecomposing fluid or other
chemicals yeah, oh no, when Iwas living in san diego, I had a
co-worker who told me a storyabout a friend she had it was a
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bachelorette party.
They all went to vegas greattime great time this girl little
debaucherous littledebaucherous right.
She met a guy at a bar, wenthome with him oh gosh and after
she left tell me they didn'thave like unprotected sex well,
I'm not sure, but she went homeand she had a rash.
(16:46):
She just got this rash like allover her body, what itchy,
scaly, like disgusting rash.
It was bad.
She had to go to the hospital,okay and um, basically, the
hospital was like we need thislike name and address, like due
to like whatever bacteria theyfound it was from a decomposing
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body.
Why would he have?
Speaker 2 (17:14):
it.
Why would he have that?
Speaker 1 (17:17):
right.
So she she actually contractedthis rash, like from fluids that
were on the linens oh my god,please tell me he didn't kill
somebody so they found likebodies in his home.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
I think it was like four so he, she went home with
some dude in vegas somehow hedidn't kill her wow maybe he was
too drunk or something, I don'tknow.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Maybe he passed out before he did that.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
They ended up fine, like they made a correlation
with the rash that she got andthen she they investigated
further they.
Speaker 1 (17:52):
They investigated further because it was only the
bacteria would have beencontracted by a deceased person
oh, so they had to, they prettymuch had to like investigate
further they notified police andstuff like that and that's
pretty intricate yeah, sobasically there must have been a
decomposing body on thoselinens in his bed everything
(18:16):
today is like I can't there wasa woman in cleveland who she had
, like really chopped itchy dry,swollen lips okay.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Everything you're describing today is making me
sick.
Sorry, but you seem verycomfortable discussing it.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
She's trying to treat it with like lip balm, Like oh,
I'm just like chopped right,Right.
But she ended up having to likego to the doctor again like
this other girl and umdecomposing body.
Turns out, her boyfriend hadpassed two weeks prior and um
she like was kissing, kissed himin the casket, not thinking
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anything of it yeah, andcontracted this like I didn't
realize that this was so likecontagious I don't think it
typically is like a common thing, but it's something that can
happen if you come in contactwith the deceased well makes you
think next time that you'relike seeing somebody that you
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love in a casket and you want tomaybe just touch their hand.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I mean, I always felt very weird about that, but some
people are very comfortablewith grabbing their hand to say
goodbye.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I've never done it and I know that.
Speaker 2 (19:35):
You couldn't do it.
Even I've seen people kissingthem.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I have, oh, no, I have a few times yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Maybe that's just they're connected and they want
to give a last kiss.
I mean, it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Yeah, maybe you'd have to have an open wound and
that's how it gets in there andspreads.
But yeah, contact dermatitis isa thing.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Oh fuck, Yep, that's weird baby girl.
I don't like the sound of that.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
Yeah, baby girl, I don't like the sound of that,
yeah.
So anyways, we we examined likecommon traits amongst serial
killers how?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
a lot of them do turn to alcohol, to kind of turn off
their like sensory details ormaybe their like willingness to
be like good I don't know whatthe right like terminology is
like they just shut off their.
If you have any likeconsciousness, like you don't
(20:33):
want to fucking kill anybody,that that's just so dark, that's
evil.
But then it's also, on top ofthat, take the evil and darkness
out of the equation.
You're not that smart to thinkthat you could get away with it
right.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, I will say you're kind of hitting the nail
on the head here, because a lotof them and this isn't not every
like serial killer is apsychopath or a sociopath, but
it is a common trend what is asociopath like?
Speaker 2 (21:02):
I've heard it all the time.
I don't know really understandthat word.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, so there is a difference between sociopath and
psychopath.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Okay.
So, psychopath, I kind ofunderstand.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Okay, psychopath is a person who's often
characterized by like shallowemotions.
They're manipulative, they lackempathy and remorse.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yes, okay, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Yeah, and they have a tendency towards impulsivity
and sensation seeking.
Could be killing people, couldbe like petting their dog, I
don't know yeah, you know it'snot like, or sex, it could be
anything it's not like.
Just because you're apsychopath or sociopath does not
(21:44):
by any means mean that you arecapable of murder, killing, yeah
Right.
And then like sociopaths theyare typically associated with,
like more chaotic upbringings.
It's like more environmental.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
They like to lie a lot and they believe their lies.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
Yes, they disregard societal norms.
Okay, yeah, lies.
Yes, they disregard societalnorms.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Okay, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
They lack empathy.
Also they're impulsive, alsoInteresting.
They could have a background inlike breaking the law.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
So it's kind of, I think, easier to spot a
sociopath than a psychopath.
Speaker 2 (22:21):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (22:22):
That's what I'm gathering here.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Yeah, okay, that's what I'm gathering here?
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Yeah, but I want to ask you what you think Out of
every 20,000 people, how many doyou think have murdered someone
?
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh damn, 20,000.
Let's see, okay, so thatbecomes like a poll, like that's
basically half of my university, penn State.
So out of the half of PennStaters that were in school
while I was there, how many?
Speaker 1 (22:55):
That's a fun way to look at it.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, like half of the campus.
How many murdered somebody?
I would say maybe just like two.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
That's close, so it's one.
It's about one in 20.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Okay, one in 20,000.
I think it's more like two.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
It says one, that's who's caught Right.
So we don't catch everyone, soit's probably closer to two.
Speaker 2 (23:23):
That's interesting.
Yeah, you know what's?
Some fucked up shit.
My driving instructor back inthe day when I was like 15 16,
he was like just saying ifyou're gonna murder somebody, do
it in a motor vehicle.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
There's so many variables, what the fuck like
when you're like 15 or 16,learning to drive that he's like
.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
I don't know if he was trying to be funny.
I mean, he was an old man, hewas fucking hilarious.
Then there was that darkcomment that I'm like.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You've had some weird things.
That is fucking weird, LikeWell speaking of like
psychopaths and sociopaths onein a hundred are, so it's kind
of like one in a hundred is likecould be capable Psychopaths
one in a hundred are, so it'skind of like one in a hundred
could be capable.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
Well, I didn't realize that narcissists were so
common in society.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Yeah, I heard that's like one in ten.
Yeah, that's what I've heard.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
That makes sense.
But one in a hundred apsychopath, yeah.
So that makes me realize we arecoming in contact with them
yearly.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
You could just be passing them when you're in the
grocery store.
Speaker 2 (24:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:28):
It's just a common thing that people don't truly
think about a lot.
I don't normally think aboutthat.
I mean, I do always have myhead on a swivel, but yes, I've
learned that too.
According to the NationalMissing and Unidentified Person
System, no-transcript.
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So there's a lot that aren'tever caught.
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And, unfortunately, a lot of individuals who are
never found.
What the?
Speaker 2 (25:10):
fuck.
I mean, it makes me a littlebit like the chills are running,
like it makes me feel like okay, watch out.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Like maybe more of a swivel, like you know how we get
older, like we get more worriedabout things when you're young,
you just kind of are likewhatever do you ever just get
like the shutters when you'relike driving down the highway
yeah I, I have that happensometimes and I'm like um, like
you just never know where a bodymight have been, like chucked
or something.
A body like chucked out of avehicle.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
I mean, that's something that could have like.
Yeah, like, I guess, when youthink about it, yeah, I could
see that.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
I mean you hear these stories where a trucker pulls
off to like pee on the side of ahighway and they kind of like
go into the woods and they seelike a skeleton or something
that happens.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
Is that spooky, or what?
To see a skeleton hanging outon the fucking side of the road.
So spooky.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
We do want to recognize the warning signs,
though.
We want to keep our viewerssafe and we want to stay safe.
Warning signs I've got a listhere.
I'm going to just write it off.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
I love warning signs Like, yeah, we need this today.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
We want to keep you safe, not only from killers, but
just from harm in general.
There's people out there thatwill harm you, so potential red
flags of behavior would consider.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
You're such a mom with all these little tips and
tricks.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Oh, I am.
I don't want to see anyone hurt.
So you know history of violence.
That's a red flag, lack ofempathy.
Yeah, that's fucked up Pastcriminal activity.
I mean that's a given right.
Speaker 2 (26:54):
I know you don't care about the law.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Right, yeah, if you don't care that person, that's a
red flag.
Behavioral changes like sudden,insignificant changes in like
behavior, mood or personality.
Someone's like kind ofunpredictable, yeah that's a red
flag.
Um, like a deep fascinationwith like weapons or violence
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yeah um isolation, or they'realienating themselves?
Um, maybe don't pursue themunless you know them, and you
know like if they need help,obviously please help them.
Um, substance abuse is a redflag and uh.
Lastly, harming animals.
A lot of serial killers dostart off harming animals before
(27:42):
they do proceed to harmingpeople yeah, that's dark.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
I mean I wouldn't want to like.
As much as I'm not an animallover, I would never want to
hurt an animal.
That seems sad, right, and likeempathetic, like as much as you
won't be tough, and stuff likeyou definitely like, have some
compassion when people arehurting exactly you know, even
if it's not somebody that you'relike a big fan of, you still
(28:08):
like want to just be a human, bea good human right.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
My heart hurts, like when other people hurt yeah, for
sure so how are we going tostay safe out there, guys?
We are going to stay aware ofour surroundings.
Let's put the phone down whenwe're walking right, let's have
our head on the swivel, bepresent in the moment.
Pay attention to what's goingon around you I know we're gonna
avoid risky situations.
So like, if it's dark out, maybedon't like walk alone.
(28:34):
If, especially if you're awoman and um, avoid like poorly
lit activities whenever I'mtraveling and stuff like that, I
always make sure I park my carunder a street light or
something like that.
Don't ever park in the dark, umif that's a red flag, yeah
don't do that um stay in likepopulated areas, right um stay
(28:58):
connected, let a friend knowwhere you are, or family members
.
Share your location withsomebody that you trust.
Speaker 2 (29:03):
Well, I know some people when they're going to
hook up after the apps or meetup with a new date they always
text a friend Like, hey, I'mgoing here and I should be done
and available.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
If you're not doing that, then please do.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Yeah, start doing it.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:21):
I mean, I even think like even as a man?
Speaker 1 (29:23):
do you do that?
Speaker 2 (29:25):
No.
Oh, you should, I mean I thinkI get asked to do it, but then
you know how sometimes you'rejust like.
I'm not going to always likeremember.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
Oh my gosh, you're so risky.
But yeah, stay connected, letpeople know where your
whereabouts are.
Self-defense and if someonedoes try to grab you, be loud.
They don't want to deal withyou if you're loud and hard to
deal with?
No, not at all.
So be loud, don't just go Fightback.
Fight back as best you can,because once they take you, your
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chances of survival dropsignificantly.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
And trust your instincts.
We've all heard of the sixthsense, right?
Speaker 2 (30:06):
Oh, I feel in that a lot this year, being like
completely clear.
Yeah, you get a bad vibetrusting my sixth sense is like
been hitting it hard, like gutinstinct, like just I don't know
, just being a little bit morelike insightful, intuitive, like
you know how, when we were justyounger we would just jump into
the deep end.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Oh yeah, well, be mindful If you are drinking
alcohol your sixth sense isprobably being hushed a bit.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
Oh yeah, it's dimmed a bit, so you need to be mindful
of that.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Be mindful when you're consuming alcohol.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Oh, yeah, or even smoking pot.
Speaker 1 (30:39):
It's in a good spot.
Oh yeah, or even smoking pot.
Yeah, you know like you justnever know right, um, and then
like lastly, just make sure youdo have your phone with you and
that you can access emergencycommunication quickly if you
need to and charge it.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yeah, don't let it die.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah, don't be like you your phone is always dead
right like why is that I?
I don't know it's like the add,but anyways, that was pretty
good tips and tricks I know Ilike that your tips and tricks
are related to the spooky seasonyeah, I mean, it's my favorite
time of the year and I do likebeing a little spooked out I
know you get off to like beingscared now we did get some like
(31:18):
we did do a Uh-huh, and this issomething that I wanted to talk
to you right now and see whatyou wanted to do.
So, I asked our viewers onInstagram what they'd like to
see in future episodes.
And there's one that I reallywould like to do.
Yeah, so local haunted places,oh fuck yes, please.
(31:41):
I really want to Hauntedhayride or know the places.
Oh fuck, yes, please, I reallywant to Haunted hayride?
Speaker 2 (31:45):
No, like real.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
Not like a fake haunted hayride, like actual
haunted spots in the area.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
Now we are in Pittsburgh.
We're in Pittsburgh.
It's a little spooky here.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So I think in the next, within this month, we're
going to go ahead and travelaround to different locations.
That are haunted.
If you have a location that isknown to be like haunted, please
drop it below, because we mightnot be aware of it.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Drop it in the comments.
Speaker 1 (32:16):
We want to make sure we can visit these locations.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
I know I'm excited to do it with you because most
people I was friends with orwould be connected with are like
no, no, no, no, I'm too scaredand I couldn't do it by myself.
That would be, I'll do it withyou.
I'm a thrill seeker.
You are my thrill seeker, babygirl.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
No, I missed you.
You were in San Francisco.
Yeah, tell me about it.
Speaker 2 (32:42):
Tell me what you did.
Well, you know, you can't saysan fran.
The san franciscans will say no, san fran.
That's an automatic no, no redflag that you are not from here
and you don't.
You just don't call it thatit's so easy to just say san
fran right, so what, what can Icall it?
you can call it sf, you can callit the city, you can call it
san francisco, you just can'tcall it San Fran.
(33:03):
Okay, I know, isn't that weird?
Yeah, I don't understand it.
I mean, I guess it's just likea thing, but it was for a design
conference, silicon ValleyDesign Fair.
I was asked to go.
It was really a greatexperience to get back into
design and, like, even though Ididn't get to go to salone de
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mobile in milan this year, I didreally still know a lot of
these designer contacts frommeeting them in milan and leave,
like working in la.
So it was just a greatexperience.
And then actually connectedwith a friend that I knew he was
there the same time and then wehad gotten tickets.
On sunday there was, like youknow, really great music
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festival.
Holy shit, kelly, I am like mymind is blown.
This fucking music is notgetting out of my fucking head.
Like I'm just like constantlylooking for rufus de sol, which
is like this electronic dj andhe'll like come in with like the
nice voice, like all of themare european djs sets, but they
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have that electronic music thata lot of people were on molly
and pot and just like they were.
It was like a fucking festival.
So like I can understand whypeople take drugs and go to
these things, because the baseis just so fucking loud Like I
had to wear earplugs.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
Because it was just so intense.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
I mean.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
I could have handled it.
But then you're like hearingwould have been shot.
Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:35):
So I was just like you know what, be proactive,
wear the plugs.
They have them there.
Speaker 1 (34:40):
I hate that.
Wear the plugs, they have themthere.
I hate that you go to the club,you walk out and it's like
you're underwater, like youcan't recover, like your ears
are just like oh my god, and youknow it's so funny rufus, this
soul.
Speaker 2 (34:51):
I don't know if I'm saying his name right, but
that's one of the songsunderwater, oh my gosh okay
literally like I mean there isnot only him we need to jam girl
, like you would have fuckingloved it.
I could see you like a littlebuzzing, like maybe you're like
a Red Bull vodka.
Speaker 1 (35:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:06):
Maybe, like I mean, you know me, like I would love
to be Cali sober, but I amreally just staying clear of the
pot.
Speaker 1 (35:14):
And we have gone over this Cali sober thing before,
but why don't you explain itagain?
Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yes, again, yes.
So cali sober is basically youare completely clear of alcohol
or drugs, but you mix in alittle bit of pot and maybe
mushrooms, like microdosing.
I'm not really sure if it'smushrooms, but I know, like my
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definition of cali sober back inthe day, like whenever I tried
it when I was working with thetrainer.
He's like hey, the booze doesnot respond to you.
You're holding water, you'renot showing your abs, you're not
getting as ripped.
So I would rather you do Calisober, which is just like the
edibles or like a joint.
(36:07):
But I guess, to be honest withyou, like these people were just
like jamming and like know, Idon't think they really had a
problem, because to go to thisfestival like you just spend
five to like nine hundreddollars for a fucking ticket.
After experiencing it I'm like,oh hell, yes, I will definitely
be taking up the nextopportunity.
Any friends or any like musicgoers, we have this little posse
, this crew that you have tomeet sometime.
They, they just like loved eachother.
They connected so well.
It felt like a little likefamily, all of a sudden.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I've never been to a music festival, except there's
one that comes to Pittsburgh.
Speaker 2 (36:33):
I can't remember the name of it.
Oh, was it?
Warped Tour back in the day,warped Tour.
I've been to Warped Tour.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
It was cute, it was fun, I mean, I was in high
school.
Speaker 2 (36:40):
Katy Perry was there before she.
She was there whenever she did.
I kissed a girl and I liked it.
303.
303 was there when I went.
303 was fucking good, right,yeah, and it was awesome.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
And I remember you could go to the tents and meet
the bands and the artists?
Oh yes, and you could get themto sign your titties or your
shirt yeah, your titties get asharpie out, yeah for sure well,
I mean, I definitely want to goback to like a music fest.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
If they have any opportunity we gotta go with.
Mocktails are messy, you know,maybe interview some of the
fucking artists or even the likeconcert goers, because that
beat and dancing like we got atthat daybreaker oh my gosh, yes
it was something that just feltright, like my body was feeling
it, like I'm now craving thebeat, like with the music's loud
(37:33):
enough, you don't need thebooze.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
Yeah, no doubt you just get the vibration in your
head.
Speaker 2 (37:39):
Oh my god, I felt totally like on another level
and people were like what thefuck like, are you like?
Speaker 1 (37:44):
okay, I know people are like always I I've seen you
get this way before and peopleare like, what is your friend on
?
And I'm like, oh, actually he'snot on anything he's just and
they don't understand.
High on life baby yeah, well,you definitely have that cali
glow going um.
I miss living in san, in SanDiego, all the time.
I mean you pay for the sunshineout there, that's for sure.
Speaker 2 (38:06):
It's a California membership.
That's what it is.
They're so expensive.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
It's so expensive to live there.
But it's a membership.
It's a membership, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I'm not kidding you, there's something about it.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
I know.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Well, it was so nice seeing you today and catching up
and talking about spooky things.
Speaker 2 (38:26):
It's so dark.
Speaker 1 (38:27):
Thank you for listening to Mocktails or Messy.
This is Kelly Msgorski.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
And Ryan Frankovsky Cheers, cheers.
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