April 3, 2025 • 54 mins
When Bran Flakes first downloaded TikTok in January 2021, they were simply looking for a creative outlet during the pandemic. Friends had suggested saving Snapchat stories and uploading them to this new platform. Maybe it could even lead to reality TV someday—after all, wasn't that how casting worked now? What followed was a masterclass in turning authentic content into a thriving career.
The self-proclaimed creator of "Gay Chaos" joins us for an unfiltered conversation about the stunning financial transformation that came with embracing their unique voice. From earning $40,000 in a corporate job they found mundane to generating over $768,000 last year through content creation, Bran's journey illustrates the potential of the creator economy when paired with business savvy and unapologetic authenticity.
Unlike many creators who rush to relocate to industry hubs, Bran proudly maintains Philadelphia as home base, strategically positioning themselves as "a big fish in a little pond." This geographic loyalty has become central to their brand identity, allowing for distinctive content that stands out in a crowded digital landscape. We explore how staying true to your roots might actually be the smartest career move for aspiring creators.
The conversation veers delightfully into personal territory as Bran discusses their approach to dating ("I'm a slut, not a fuckboy"), communication styles, and the current long-distance situationship with an LA-based interest. With refreshing candor, they share insights about misconceptions regarding their drinking habits, therapy experiences, and future aspirations to expand into hosting opportunities. For anyone navigating the creator economy or simply appreciating unfiltered dialogue about modern life, this episode delivers equal parts entertainment and entrepreneurial wisdom. Subscribe now and join the conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I've had times where I've, like, been spiraling and I
know I need to go, but then Idon't.
Are you mentally sane?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Are you like a fuckboy?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I would say I'm a slut, not a fuckboy.
You guys have had sex how manytimes?
Ah, I mean, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
This is Mocktails, or .
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Messy.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
And you are listening with Ryan Frankofsky and.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Kelly Musgorski.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to the studio .
Bran Flakes is in the house.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh my god, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh my god, Bran Flakes, you are such a fucking
icon, a star.
Gay Chaos is really justsomebody that we've always been
following, for like two years.
Thanks, guys, Always.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I guess always kind of yeah that's like a lot of my
career.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, yes, and tell us a little bit about your drink
of choice today.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, I requested April Spritz.
That is just like my drink oflife recently.
I do not think it's a summerdrink, I think it is timeless.
I really did not like them tobegin with.
I thought that they were reallygross and bitter.
I actually started abroad inItaly and everyone drank them
and I was like not for me.
And then last summer I justgave them a chance and I was
like my palate developed and nowI'm obsessed.
(01:17):
It gets me like the perfectdrunk too.
Like, just like happiness.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We had to get the good stuff for you.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Thank you, Ryan, I mean is this the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I don't know, you're probably used to like some Dom
Perignon no.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Ruth is like please, I'm trash, don't get it twisted.
Pittsburgh meets Philly rightExactly.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So you are here in Pittsburgh from give us, like,
some insight.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We know this, but we want to hear from you.
So I'm like on a little travelbender right now.
I am from Philly, I live inPhiladelphia.
I actually went out to LA for aTikTok conference and then I
had the platform, which was aconference here in Pittsburgh,
run by In the Cohort.
I was honored with the title ofbeing the keynote speaker,
(02:03):
which was so great.
So, yeah, I flew from LA toPittsburgh, which was a disaster
.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Let me just say that it's a shit show.
Right, Shit show.
There's no direct flights noSouthwest.
Okay, because.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Spirit is direct.
Okay, pittsburgh here lovesSouthwest, so there was no
direct flights available.
So I had to fly to Vegas.
My flight was delayed two hours.
I had to fly to Vegas.
My flight was delayed two hours.
I got to Pittsburgh literallyfour hours before the conference
.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So that was fun, but like we never could have yeah,
we couldn't tell.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I like, don't sleep in general, so okay you know I
like thrive off exhaustion andchaos.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I will say you're glowing today, though I don't
know if pink is your color,maybe, but you're just in my
skin glowing.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, what is your?
Skincare routine um, I use laroche posay.
It's like my favorite.
So I use their cleanser andthen I go in with like a vitamin
c or a hyaluronic acid, um, andthen moisturize pretty much it.
I don't really do anything.
Sometimes I throw in like alittle facial oil in there as
well um, but yeah hey that'sgood.
Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, yeah, of course I loveskincare.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Oh, I really wanted you to pop it, but I just I was
so involved.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm really glad that you did it.
I like love.
I was really scared you weregoing to make me make this
myself and I'm just really.
I'm really grateful that so farI haven't had to move.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
He always makes the drinks.
He's a bartender, are youreally?
I used to be, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, thank you guys.
Wait, are you drinking?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I had a drive here, so no.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, am I party of?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
one.
You are the messy Cheers, Istill have to lock eyes with
both of you.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
We're going to still be messy.
It's just, I tried to order myUber, but I did it too late, so
I drove here.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I know I should have ordered it for you.
I know, I just was hoping Icould have got brand.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
good, so good.
Well, we wanted you to get likethe best of the best.
I know that like it really isinspiring to see you kind of
take off from, just like youknow, this creator that was
stuck in the pandemic and islike kind of prying to what like
, what inspired you to getstarted in the TikTok space.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So a lot of people had been texting me and were
like Bran, like have youdownloaded TikTok yet?
And I was like no, like I can'tdo like another social media
app, like that is far too muchfor me.
I can barely keep up with myInstagram and all that jazz.
So I don't think so.
I can barely keep up with myInstagram and all that jazz.
So I don't think so.
But then a lot, like a lot ofmy friends would like start
replying to my Snapchat storiesand they were like do you
(04:30):
realize?
You could just save yourSnapchat story and upload it to
TikTok.
Like you are so funny, you likelive the craziest life.
You and your friends are soinsane.
Like, just give it a try.
So, january of 2021, I cavedand I was like you know what?
At that point, I really wantedto be on reality TV and I did
notice that a lot of reality TVshows were casting like
influencers.
Yes, and I didn't really likeunderstand, like really what an
(04:53):
influencer was, to be totallytransparent.
So I was just like, because youare a baby, yeah, you're 28.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm 28.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But at that time I was 24.
That's young yeah, and yeah, Iwas young then.
I feel old now, but yeah, I wasjust like you know what.
Maybe I should just like playaround with TikTok, maybe I'll
like develop a following and Ican use that to kind of get on
TV.
And then little did I know.
Like I actually had like areally good knack for it all and
took off and yeah.
So I started making videos inJanuary 2021.
(05:20):
I was working a full time, nineto five, during that time and
then I ended up being able toquit my nine to five job April
2022.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So yeah, you mentioned that you were making
$40,000 fast forward to lastyear.
Yes, and I saw it.
Rich BFF.
Yes, I love her.
I've been following her forlike a long time as well, she's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, you disclosed your what you earned last year,
correct?
Yeah, which was around $800,000.
Yeah $768,000.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know that's pre-management, pre-taxes, but
still like yes, I mean, my$40,000 was pre-taxes too, so
definitely a jump, which wasgreat.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh my God, and we love the transparency.
Cheers to you being one of veryfew to be so transparent.
Thanks guys.
Yeah, so we are mocktailing ittoday.
Brand flakes is getting messy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You're the messy one.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
We think it's fitting your brand with the chaos Of
course the gay chaos.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The gay chaos of all.
Yes, so that's what we loveabout you is the chaos, and
you're very unfiltered.
You say exactly what's on yourmind.
You don't seem apologetic atall.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Unless I have to be.
I've screwed up before, Likeyou will admit.
If you screw up, oh absolutely,I'm like.
I always take accountability.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, that's what we we like that we do that too.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Can you try like can you stick your straw, or you can
suck on mine, I'll suck onyours.
Suck on my straw.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
This is good.
Yeah, I know it's a differentcolor than.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What do you feel?
What's the?
What's the juice?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So it is this Milano or Wilfrids, it's a
non-alcoholic aperitif.
Okay, it's not bad.
Okay, yeah, it's, it's likelisten, we never are going to be
able to perfectly simulate thetraditional.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But on mocktails, no, I mean, that's a pretty good
sub.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, you could like fuck with it, yeah.
Like if you had to like take alittle break, yeah, but I think
with me and Kelly, like I lovethe balance because like she's
like more mindfully drinking,you know we're in our thirties.
We're trying to be more.
I've been sober for a year anda half Congratulations, Thank
you.
I've been trying to get to yourlevel with the hustle and the
(07:31):
work.
I think with the drinking itwas really kind of plateauing me
.
You know what I mean.
I'm sure you have friends thatare like you know.
They talk about all these bigdreams and aspirations and we're
all like you know, we're inthat 40k, like salary maybe, and
you're just like this isn'tenough to survive.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
that's basically what it was, yeah yeah, I can't do
this right, but you obviouslydon't let drinking hold you back
no, I kind of made a career outof drinking, which we like the
messy.
I yeah, I think when I firstlike developed, like launched,
like I was going crazy with thedrinking for sure, and the
pandemic?
Yeah, and it was the pandemic.
(08:10):
But I realized quickly, likenumber one, everyone grows, not
out of it, but like the more yougrow up, the worse your
hangovers get, and you know youkind of don't want to spend your
only for those who work incorporate.
It's like you've two days offand how many times have you
spent one of those or not?
Both completely hung over andit's like your weekend goes to
shit.
So, yeah, definitely sloweddown on the drinking, but like I
(08:34):
still love to party.
I think, like I remember tinksaid this someone asked her if
she ever goes sober and she'slike I don't think I'll ever go
sober.
But I go through phases where,like I'm in a really big party
mode and then, like I go throughphases where I'm not and like,
oh my god, december and January,like I was at like my peak
party, like I was going fuckingcrazy, and now I'm like really
focused on work again and I'mtraveling a lot.
So I'm having my cocktails hereand there, choosing my nights
(08:57):
out, but I'm kind of now in likea really hustle mode, as you
point out, so I think it goes inwaves like summer obviously
party, oh my god.
But yeah, no, um, I never.
It's funny, I think a lot ofpeople my haters are like you're
an alcoholic, you're a drinkingproblem, you know let everyone
let everyone have their opinions.
If you actually know me in reallife, which all of my friends
(09:18):
and family do, I've never hadthe talk my friends have never
been like are you okay?
my therapist has never been okay.
My doctor's never been like areyou okay?
Um, so yeah, I don't drink tocope.
I truly drink to like,celebrate and have fun, and I
can do that without alcohol.
I just have a lot of fun withalcohol too.
Exactly, but no, my vice, whenI'm like upset about something,
is eating.
That's how, that's my toxiccoping mechanism.
(09:40):
I'm like I want mcdonald's ohfor sure, Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, that's great.
I love that message.
I feel like, since we have youhere, we want to hear you talk.
Your hot takes on things, thethings that come out of your
mouth.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
it's what we're here for right, ask me whatever I'm
seriously such an open book.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And, honestly, some of these might be If you don't
have an answer, you don't haveto answer and we can just edit
it out.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Let it rip.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Is there any hot takes?
You have that upset people.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I hate New York City and that really upsets people.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
But you're in Philly and I could see that I don't
even want to say I hate New York.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I just think New York is so overrated.
That's just how I feel, and Ipersonally can never get down
with paying so much to live in aspace that is so small.
Right, the fact that myapartment in Philadelphia would
cost triple the amount if Ilived in New York, and it would
be a third of the size.
I can't justify that.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Isn't that crazy triple.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, because you're really not that far location Not
at all An hour on the trainright?
Yeah, no, like an hour and 20minutes.
And my thing is, I've neveronce felt relaxed in New York
City.
Anytime I'm out to dinner at acoffee shop anywhere in public,
it feels so overcrowded.
(11:07):
And I like people like I'm anextrovert, but like there is a
that is too many people.
So that is my hot take thatpeople really get upset with me
about.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I don't like new york hey, the weather's not even
good there no so that's.
That's my problem with it.
Um, is there, are there anylike misconceptions about you
that you find frustrating?
I mean probably the drinkingproblem.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
See, I actually never thought of you as a drink,
because you're so happy andpositive oh, thank you and I
think you also like have such asuccess, so like if you were
like not working actually analcoholic, I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah um, but yeah, I think that like part
like really bothers me.
I also just like when do webecome so comfortable like
commenting on people's likeposts that you don't know?
Like, oh, you have a drinkingproblem, oh, you're an alcoholic
.
Like what?
Like I would never like go up.
Just even if I had a closefriend that I felt like had an
issue, I would sit them down, belike, hey, I'm a little bit
concerned about your behavior, Iwouldn't go up to them.
(12:01):
Be like, oh you, oh, you're analcoholic, you need to go to
rehab.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, because that's gonna make them stop.
Yeah, like, do you think that'sgonna?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
like make things better.
So, yeah, I think that's amisconception about me.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But you're glowing.
I mean people with like thedrinking problem.
They have like the gray skin.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They look kind of like there's no here and
bullshit.
I've definitely had my moments.
I don't think I've ever beengray.
I've definitely looked like youshould have seen me this
morning.
I looked like shit.
I'll have to add you guys to myclose friend story.
You'll enjoy it.
You'll enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, so you did go a little wild last night.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Like not really.
Here's the thing.
I was so tired obviouslyBecause, as I mentioned, I got
to the conference like threehours before it started and
loved it to death.
But that was very overstimulating.
I was talking to people all day.
My social battery goes onoverdrive.
Like I said, I'm superextroverted, but I was like fuck
, I'm talking a lot.
(12:59):
I think like I literally hadlike maybe like two or three
drinks last night, but I think Iwas so tired.
It's just like that, combinedwith the drinks, just made me
like delirious and I like kindof blacked out.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Like at 11 pm.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I just like knocked, which was great.
I needed it honestly, I know,but yeah, I woke up at like 5 in
the morning today.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You said something funny yesterday while you were
like on stage talking in frontof everyone.
You said that in this industry,like you're not really friends
with anybody, or I might nothave your words like completely
right, but um yeah you know Ilike.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
So last month I switched management companies
and I am such an empathetic andemotional person like I'm really
such an empath are you a cancer?
no, I'm a leo, but I have a lotof cancer signs, like in my
chart.
Um, like the, I don't havecancer my big three but like if
you look at my chart, there's alot of cancer in it.
Um, but yeah, I'm very likeempathy.
(13:54):
So when I was like meeting withdifferent managers, like I felt
so bad, like letting peopledown and being like I'm not
going to continue to work thiswas great, but I'm not going to
hire you my therapist was likeBrandon, you need to stop like
taking this shit so personal.
Like you are a business and, atthe end of the day, these
people aren't your friends.
So that's more like what Imeant.
Influencers, I do consider likea few other creators friends of
(14:17):
mine, but like at the same time,it is like a weird sort of
co-worker relationship.
Like I have one close friend,carly Weinstein.
Like she genuinely is one of mybest friends.
Like we met through thisindustry, but like she has seen
me at my lowest, um, and we likeshe will send my friends from
like college or my close friendsfrom Philly.
(14:37):
Like and she lives in New York,she'll send them a text if
she's worried about me.
Like she genuinely is a friend.
I don't have that many Carlys.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I have like maybe a few like her.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
My friend Eli Jazz and Hallie, I would say, are
like my real close friends.
Everyone else, you know, it'skind of like we see each other
at events you know, we dopodcasts together sometimes, but
like I wouldn't text themnecessarily if I was like going
through crisis, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah Well, I, yeah well, I will say like a little
like tidbit.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like I was very nervous to like set this up so
fast with you because we like toprep, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
But then I was like, oh my god, when I saw you at the
coffee shop it was just likeall my anxiety dissipated, oh I
was like I saw him randomly atthe coffee shop and I was like
he is gonna be such a like, justlike is going to be such a like
, just like going to be fun,like we're not going to have to
plan this.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No, I'm like so much better.
Like off the rip yeah.
And like I said, like we cantalk about literally anything.
If we like, run out ofquestions we can start talking
about like pop culture, oh, forsure.
Or your sex life or my sex life.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Whatever you guys want to know.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love talking about my sex life.
Let's talk about your sex life.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, you're in a situationship.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
He's in LA Wait so you are seeing somebody, but
it's a situationship Not seeingsomeone exclusively.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So like I am fully single.
Like if someone wants to fuckdown, let's go.
But you know, I'm in asituationship with LA boy.
He's so cute, he's so great.
We actually met on social medialike four years ago.
At the time, like he was one ofmy first followers, which is so
cool, like he's seen myplatform from the shape of it.
(16:12):
And I messaged him and hefollowed me.
I was like, oh my God, like youare so handsome.
And he's like, oh, thank you somuch, like I love your content.
I was like, are you single?
And?
And then they broke up and thenI had a boyfriend and you know
how you can like, stalk someone.
You know you can watchsomeone's social media and tell
that they broke up with theirsignificant other.
Like he definitely noticed thatme and my ex had broken up last
year and he swooped into my DMSand now we've been talking ever
(16:35):
since and we finally met inperson um about three weeks ago
and he's so great.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know, like we're just having fun.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Obviously he lives in la.
I'm in philly, I adore.
Would you ever move to la?
Um, not in the next like fewyears.
No, right now I am like loving,I love philly so much.
Um, and I just like feel likeright now my a lot of my
platform is focused on phillyand it's just my family's there.
So I will always, no matterwhat, have a home in philly.
But if someone told me, hey,you might be able to be
bi-coastal in a few years, like,I would not mind that because I
really do love California.
That's our goal.
We'll all reach it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I mean, I will say, though, kind of what really like
made me feel so connected toyou is because you're like I am
a Philly boy.
This is like where we're doingeverything this is who you are,
and like we are really trueYinzers, like Pittsburghers,
like we are, and so like to comeback and be able to do what we
love in podcasts In LA.
(17:35):
It was like it was hard becauseshe was in the South, like she
was in South Carolina,mississippi, so to work remote
was tricky, and then even likethe cost, like just to operate.
Yeah, you know, like to getstarted, I feel like it's really
been helpful to be in ourhometown, you know no 100.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Stick to your roots always.
I think there's a lot of peoplethat I don't want to say they
sell out, but I think they'rereally eager to like go to new
york and go to la, and I get it,because there is so much
opportunity for the creatorworld there, but there's also so
much competition and that'swhat I love about.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Philly, it's like there's a few other creators.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But yeah, I'm a big fish in a little pond.
I've always thrived in thatkind of environment.
So, it's perfect for me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right and your main character, energy, not to say
that you wouldn't be in thesebigger cities.
Like, definitely have thatcapability with the platform.
A million followers on TikTok,300k on Instagram I mean the sky
is the limit for you.
But you also are strategic withthe business aspect behind it,
because you could have a lot ofthese.
(18:33):
I mean you can explain that,like you know people with a lot
of followers that are nottreating it as a business.
No, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
A hundred percent.
I mean you have to really likeit, go after it every single day
, like, yeah, I have a plot,like a lot of people would take
my following and be like, okay,you're done, brian, like you can
just chill.
It's like, no, I want to keepgrowing that, I want to keep
developing, like I want to getinto other areas of the business
, whether it's hosting, whetherit's red carpet correspondence.
I will never be quote unquotesatisfied and not in like a bad,
(19:02):
toxic way.
It's just, I'm a really biggoal driven person.
I constantly like to challengemyself and achieve new things,
and I'm not good at being bored.
That's why, like the corporateindustry was like never it for
me.
I was, like this is too mundane.
I want to be more in control oflike my you know day to day
schedule and how businesses run.
So, yeah, for me, I'm alwaysfocused on like what's next Do
(19:24):
you take time off?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Do you like have an off day?
Do you take vacation and notlike?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
disconnect Not as much as I should, not as much as
I should.
I try to like, once every fewweeks, put like a blackout date,
like usually a Sunday that Icall like a rot day, and I
really try to just like reallydisconnect.
I'll be honest, like with theplatform growth that I've been
experiencing recently and allthe travel that just like hasn't
been possible, but like I alsoreally thrive on being on the go
(19:53):
and like that's definitely notall the way healthy, I should be
able to like sit on the couchwithout spiraling.
I have a little bit of likeproductivity guilt where, like,
if I feel like I could be likedoing something else that's more
productive, I definitely can belike no, like go get up and do
something.
When it's like no, you can siton the couch and watch white
Lotus Like you're okay, yeah, um, but yeah, that's that's what
(20:17):
we're working on in therapy.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I love it.
I I wasn't.
I'm still in therapy.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
to take it more seriously, yeah, I mean, you get
what you put into it.
Yeah, yeah, I have a reallygreat therapist, which is great.
I mean, I love therapy.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's pro therapy.
What about you, Kelly?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I've never been.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I've always meant to go.
I've had times where I've, likebeen spiraling and I know I
need to go, but then I don't.
Wow, that's a rarity.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You kind of do seem like, dare I say, non-mentally
ill.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Thank you, wow, unless I'm PMSing.
If you catch me when I'm PMSing, do you have anxiety.
On and off.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
She does, but then she covers it up.
It's like where me and youcould probably wear it on our
sleeve, definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I don't even know when she has it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Wow, I don't even know when she has it.
Yeah, no, I think the onlything that gives me anxiety is
my children.
Oh wow, Like I didn't haveanxiety until I had to care for
somebody else.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, that's so valid yeah.
Wow, good for you,Congratulations, thank you.
Do you want kids?
Oh, wait, you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh, that's a good question though.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I don't know.
Ask you genuinely, I don't knowlike this is gonna sound like
so weird.
I never thought I did.
And then, with my ex, like whenI like realized, like what love
felt, like I was like, oh, Iwant a kid with you, like I want
that's.
When I was like okay, likemaybe I do want kids.
I just can never picture thembecause right now I don't even
like know who my partner wouldbe.
Yeah, so I I would say likemaybe, but like not anytime soon
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.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, right, well, you have time.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, especially as a man like yeah, you have all the
time that you want what is thedating pool like in philly,
apparently here for the gaycommunity.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It's pretty ran through and small.
I think you're watching like ayearbook.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's so funny.
Have you ever asked somebodyfrom any city what's the dating
life like and have they everanswered?
It's so great.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
No no.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Never.
Everywhere you go, any city,they'll be like the dating here
sucks, the dating here sucks.
I've heard that from Philly,New York, Miami, Austin, you
name it.
If I ask someone what's thedating like, I've never heard
someone be like it's actuallyreally good.
You, A lot of Greek guys Likeno, that's a good point.
Men are trash all over theworld?
Yeah, they are, so it reallydoes not matter what state, what
zip code, you know they'regarbage, Not women though I
(22:32):
don't know, I don't want to like, but yeah, the gay community
isn't huge for sure Like Idefinitely feel like especially
me, I guess being like a littlebit bit recognizable.
I don't feel like I have likenecessarily a clean slate, but
yeah, I'm not doing when you sayclean slate.
What do you mean?
Like I've caught my bodies,I've caught my bodies.
(22:55):
I've made out with a lot ofdifferent people from a lot of
different cliques in the gaycommunity.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I will say it's a little cliquey in the gay
community.
Are you like a fuck boy?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I wouldn't say I'm a fuckboy.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I would say I'm a slut, not a fuckboy.
I think a fuckboy plays withpeople's heads.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
And.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm not.
You guys just heard me talkabout my situation.
I'm single.
There's no room forinterpretation like this it's
what it is, we're having fun,and I think fuckboys kind of
don't do that.
I think they kind of act likemaybe there's going to be.
They play games that I thinkthey kind of like actually like
maybe there's gonna be like theyplay games.
Yeah, they play games.
I definitely wouldn't say Iplay games.
I think I'm just over the toplike blunt very like for I would
(23:39):
say I'm very forward and thatis not for everybody.
Like some people are veryturned off by that to me.
I don't like play the wholegame of it like if I think
you're attractive, I will tellyou I think you're attractive,
I've no, I've gone up to amillion people before and just
be like hey, do you want to makeout?
Like I don't, that's just andthat is not everyone's style and
that is so fine.
That's really for me.
(23:59):
I've always been like backwardswith dating, like I would love
to fuck first, like let's havesex yeah, test drive the car and
then we get dinner and likethere's no, like overarching,
like where's this gonna go?
Are we gonna hook up afterdinner?
And not that it should be likethat, that that's just me being
a fucking whore.
But yeah like I'm samanthajones, but I've had like, so my
(24:22):
ex, like we had a one nightstand and then it turned into a
two night stand and then itturned to do you want to get
dinner this week?
and then it like I love how thatworks.
I've never been great at thetraditional like let's go on a
date and get to know each otherbecause, like I'm a hornball,
like I like want to fuck, likeimmediately.
I'm just gonna say so Iwouldn't say I'm a fuckboy, but
(24:43):
I definitely would say I'm aslut.
I'm definitely a hornball I'mdefinitely forward pro sex.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What is it?
Sex it?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Sex positive.
I'm very sex positive.
I had this conversation on mypodcast.
My friends were like yousubscribe to people's OnlyFans.
I was like, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I love supporting our sex workers, but you don't have
an OnlyFans, correct?
No, I don't Not yet.
Have you thought about it?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
No, that's not your brand.
I don't think that's my brand.
Also, I don't think that's mybrand.
Also, like I like don't likenot to say, I like hate myself
or anything, but I'm not likesuper confident in my appearance
, so I wouldn't really like wantto put that out there.
Do you have a type.
I mean I definitely tend tolike if you.
I say I don't have a type, butif you look at who I've dated, I
clearly have a type.
I like men from the.
(25:27):
I like thick guys for sure, butfor me it's definitely
personality.
If you have a great charm andmake me feel super happy and I
enjoy being around you, itreally doesn't matter anything
beyond that.
I definitely am personalityfirst.
I've met people who are so hotthat literally have had the
(25:52):
worst personality that I'm notattracted to.
And I've met people who like atfirst glance like I wouldn't
necessarily swipe right to themon a dating app, but I talk to
them and I get to know them andI'm like, oh wow, I'm really
attracted to you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They start to get cute and as soon as they start
not liking you back.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
They get really cute.
Oh my god, I know that's hot,it's so hot, it's so bad.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Let me ask you this yeah, I love me some latin boys.
I find them like just reallygood lovers and like, very like
that part baby we're gonna go dothis like it's like very like,
I don't know, it's just likeit's dominant in a way, is that
I mean?
Yeah, I mean I don't want tostereotype anything just like
it's dominant in a way, is that?
I mean it's stereotyped.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Maybe I don't want to stereotype anybody but I do
think a lot of times in theLatin community the men are
really good at like cooking andcleaning and taking care and
like that is like.
I really my love language is notwait.
I like when my partner's lovelanguage is acts of service,
like I love a man that will likecome into my room in the
(26:51):
morning with like coffee andbreakfast and like will grab my
suitcase for me and hold thedoor for me like I'm a diva, so
for me I love that type of stuffa diva, a slut, what else?
uh, you know a lot a lot ofthings um, so yeah I have
noticed a lot of the men in theLatin community are very much
like that.
(27:11):
And they love to kind of makesure I'm taken care of.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh my god, it's so hot yeah that's my crib tonight.
So that's your acts of love, orthe love language.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
My personal love language is quality time.
I'm a needy anxious, attachedtype of person.
I want to see you.
I want to talk to you I wantyou to pick me up from the bar.
I want you to come over afterwork like I'm a leo and I'm a
leo that posts online like youcan write attention whore on my
(27:43):
forehead.
I need constant validation,constant attention that's
amazing.
Constant reassurance, I mean,it's something.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, wonder you're in therapy.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think that's so cute though.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I'm very much in therapy.
I was kidding because I do loveattention, I think, as
influencers or podcasters orpeople that want to be in the
camera or in the limelight.
There is that element.
I remember Andy Cohen said itbest he's sitting like on this,
like whatever you call one ofthose housewife reunions, and
(28:14):
he's like, let's be honest, weall are vain here.
Yeah, like or like there issome element I can never deny
that, no, no, what's your lovelanguage?
it's quality time, quality timeokay, yeah, I really don't know
mine.
I thought it was physical touch.
But I think it's the words orwhat like when somebody like oh
the words of affirmation, thewords of affirmation is great.
(28:36):
I didn't realize that untilrecent.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That is probably a close second for me.
Like I definitely need to be,like, like I said, like,
reassured, reaffirmed.
Yeah, for sure, do you likegift giving?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
um, do you like gift giving?
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
just unless it's really really expensive, like I
don't really like cheap shit Idon't really care about the
little thing.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, like I'll pretend I do like because it's a
nice thing to do.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I don't want to be fake.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
This is the new year of like no fakeness.
Like what you said in 2025.
Like I don't have time for thefucking bullshit.
Like what was the thing thatyou said about you don't want
somebody to get drunk and tellyou that they're angry with you
three weeks later?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean I have a problem with people.
I think that's my biggest petpeeve, especially with dating,
is I cannot deal with peoplethat cannot communicate.
I'm definitely an overthinkerand probably an
over-communicator.
I love that.
I really do not like gray area.
I over communicator.
I love that.
I really do not like gray area.
I don't like when people knowhow they feel but won't tell you
(29:40):
how they feel or won't tell youin a way that, like makes sense
or is respectful.
Um, so that pisses me off.
Like if you are upset aboutsomething, let's discuss it and
if not, don't bring it up.
Like, don't bring it up threeweeks later.
You know if you need a time tothink about you know how I'm
gonna say this and you know Iwant to be really, like you know
thoughtful of how I'm gonnapresent what I'm upset about.
(30:00):
That's all good and fun, butlike if we're at a bar and
you're gonna tell me now thatyou're upset about something
that happened weeks ago onewrong environment to tell me and
two like why didn't you tell mesooner?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
like I don't know that stuff pisses me off I'm
gonna piggyback off that just toadd to it.
I hate, I hate that.
And then I hate when people getpassive, aggressive, like
that's my biggest just fuckingsay it to me.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I don't like passive aggressiveness at all.
Can I have some more?
Of course, let's get this alittle.
It's got this little orange red.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Do you want me to get you some more champagne?
No, you're good with that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I think I'm good, perfect.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh, that's a pretty color.
Yeah, that's great.
That's the way it should be.
That's great.
How is Alex Cooper?
She's great.
Yeah, that was pretty fuckingamazing.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I mean, she's just someone that I've looked up to
for so long.
Yeah, I think, like the empire,it's literally an empire.
The empire she's built is likeas a content creator I feel like
it's impossible not to respecther, unless you're a straight-up
hater um and like how could?
You hate her exactly, but she'sreally like so kind in person
not that I expected her not tobe, but like she's a
pennsylvania girl.
She grew up 30 minutes from me.
But yeah, she's super down toearth, definitely has not let
(31:15):
any of the success made her likegone to her head.
She's extremely humble.
She's great yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, I thought that was so fucking cool when I saw
you there, and I was like oh, myGod.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah.
Bran Flakes is everywhere Itried to be when is he not?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I know, Like, have you seen somebody that you're
like have your eye on next, thatyou want to collaborate with?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Um, I've always wanted to collaborate with Kylie
Kelsey.
She's been a dream guest ofmine on my podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I know they were talking about her yesterday, I
know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So, backstory, liquid Death was at the panel that we
were at yesterday and they did ahuge partnership with her.
And I was like fo Rory, liquidDeath was at the panel that we
were at yesterday and they did ahuge partnership with her and I
was like foaming at the mouth.
I was like whose dick do I haveto suck to get her contact?
Which?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
is so funny.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
We have so many mutual friends and we follow
each other and she's respondedto me here and there before, but
no, I mean definitely wouldlove to collab with her in some
capacity.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And tell me why you're obsessed with her.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I know why I am.
Yeah, just think she's so downto earth.
I think she's so effortlesslyfunny.
I think she's real authentic.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Um, but mainly you know she's from philly and she
loves philly.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
She reps philly so well.
I love her husband jason.
I love the eagles um, so I'mobsessed with her.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I know jason, I think , is like my favorite from the
beginning I didn't even know whotravis until Taylor.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, and I always knew.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Jason, and I think it has a lot to do with.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And Jason's been looking good.
Oh yeah, I love a beardlumbersexual oh lumbersexual.
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
he's lumbersexual.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Absolutely.
I'm going to be honest, I'venever heard that, but I'm going
to steal it now.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
See, you are showing your age.
You are a young'un Am.
I showing my Lumber sexual islike a millennial thing.
Have you heard lumber sexual?
Yes, you have.
When you had that axe video,she had this TikTok axe guy.
And I brought it up on thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I said, oh, you like lumber sexual.
Maybe I heard it once from youbefore.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I've never heard anyone else say that Maybe it's
not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Okay, wow, we're going to bring it back.
I'm into lumber sexual.
Yes, get Wow, and we're goingto bring it back.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm into lumber sexual.
Yes, I get a flannel on.
Grow that beard out.
Okay, you know, show me thathairy chest.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I have that, oh fuck yeah, I see it.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I see the beard creeping down there.
Yeah, I know I was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know if this is totally irrelevant, but I was
dating somebody and they laserhair removed everything and I
relevant, but I was datingsomebody and they laser hair
removed everything and I'm like,no see, I shaved, I did shave
my chest, okay, and someone thatI was seeing at the time was
like really upset about it yeah.
I had to do that.
I was like, I love like whatbeing what I call creamy, which
is like, yes, hairless and tan,like oh that like, I love that
(33:47):
look, yeah, so I was going to.
Where was I going?
I think it was California.
So I was going to.
Where was I going?
I think it was California and Iwas like I want to be just
peanut butter you could justscoop off my skin.
So I shaved off my entire chestand got a gorgeous spray tan.
That's sexy, but it's growingin now and I like how it's
growing in.
It's nice to have, but I'mJewish, so when it's there it is
full bush on my chest.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
it's really hairy and itchy, uh huh, but I can see
what you're saying.
Like with the tan, with the tan, that's hot, there's nothing
better to me than like a nicetan, hairless butt like a
Channing Tatum, only fans.
Is he bisexual?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I heard he was that is super hot cause, yeah, when
he you know he used to be astripper and I heard that there
was a lot of lore that like hewas a bisexual, like he's
bisexual.
I don't know if that'sconfirmed or denied, but when he
posted that picture today I waslike holy goodness.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I think the way he moves it, it's gotta be a little
bi yeah right, I think so.
I mean so I'm bisexual, but allintensive purpose have had now
at this point like morerelationships with guys, but I
do find myself always checkingout women physically.
I don't know what it is, Ithink it's just like, but it's
hard to date a woman.
(34:59):
I mean women are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I agree, that's why I like men yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Can you imagine you dating a chick?
No, fuck, no, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
We were talking about this last night.
Is a gold star gay, someonewho's never done anything with a
woman, or just someone whohasn't had sex with a woman?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I thought it was intercourse, but they could have
eaten them out, that's what Ithought too.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I am a gold star gay.
I've never had sex with a girlRight, but I've made out with
more girls than guys.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
ever finger or eat them?
No, that's the thing.
I love boobs.
I love boobs, love boobs, but Icannot do.
Fake or real, I can't do vagina, I can't.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Something about the vagina?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
No shade.
I think there's some girls withbeautiful vaginas, it's just
not my taste.
You radiate CPE Clean pussyenergy.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Oh, thank you.
That is like the nicest thingever.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Oh my God, we're learning so many things from
Brand Flakes Well me and my thisis bad Me and my friends.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
we created DPE, which is like dirty pussy energy.
It's like a meme term, butyou're girlies, someone that
like we just like are reallygrossed out like she's dpe, like
dirty pussy energy.
I love it.
But then we started doing cpe,which is the opposite and you
like radiate cp.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh my god, yeah, yeah , you do too.
Oh, thanks, I mean, or wait,can we say b?
Is it cb?
What's the b for bussy?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
oh, okay per.
Oh yeah, the bussy, I thoughtyou were saying bd and like or
clean or clean dick energy.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I would like to think my dick is clean.
Yeah, you wash it oh no, it'sbeen around.
No-transcript.
I've had times where I've, like, been spiraling and I
know I need to go, but then Idon't.
Are you mentally sane?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Yeah, wow.
Speaker 1 (00:07):
Are you like a fuckboy?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I would say I'm a slut, not a fuckboy.
You guys have had sex how manytimes?
Ah, I mean, that's so funny.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
This is Mocktails, or .
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Messy.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
And you are listening with Ryan Frankofsky and.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Kelly Musgorski.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Welcome to the studio .
Bran Flakes is in the house.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Oh my god, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
Oh my god, Bran Flakes, you are such a fucking
icon, a star.
Gay Chaos is really justsomebody that we've always been
following, for like two years.
Thanks, guys, Always.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
I guess always kind of yeah that's like a lot of my
career.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Yes, yes, and tell us a little bit about your drink
of choice today.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, I requested April Spritz.
That is just like my drink oflife recently.
I do not think it's a summerdrink, I think it is timeless.
I really did not like them tobegin with.
I thought that they were reallygross and bitter.
I actually started abroad inItaly and everyone drank them
and I was like not for me.
And then last summer I justgave them a chance and I was
like my palate developed and nowI'm obsessed.
(01:17):
It gets me like the perfectdrunk too.
Like, just like happiness.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
We had to get the good stuff for you.
Speaker 2 (01:21):
Thank you, Ryan, I mean is this the good stuff.
Speaker 3 (01:24):
I don't know, you're probably used to like some Dom
Perignon no.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Ruth is like please, I'm trash, don't get it twisted.
Pittsburgh meets Philly rightExactly.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So you are here in Pittsburgh from give us, like,
some insight.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
We know this, but we want to hear from you.
So I'm like on a little travelbender right now.
I am from Philly, I live inPhiladelphia.
I actually went out to LA for aTikTok conference and then I
had the platform, which was aconference here in Pittsburgh,
run by In the Cohort.
I was honored with the title ofbeing the keynote speaker,
(02:03):
which was so great.
So, yeah, I flew from LA toPittsburgh, which was a disaster
.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
Let me just say that it's a shit show.
Right, Shit show.
There's no direct flights noSouthwest.
Okay, because.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Spirit is direct.
Okay, pittsburgh here lovesSouthwest, so there was no
direct flights available.
So I had to fly to Vegas.
My flight was delayed two hours.
I had to fly to Vegas.
My flight was delayed two hours.
I got to Pittsburgh literallyfour hours before the conference
.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
So that was fun, but like we never could have yeah,
we couldn't tell.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
I like, don't sleep in general, so okay you know I
like thrive off exhaustion andchaos.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
I will say you're glowing today, though I don't
know if pink is your color,maybe, but you're just in my
skin glowing.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
Okay, what is your?
Skincare routine um, I use laroche posay.
It's like my favorite.
So I use their cleanser andthen I go in with like a vitamin
c or a hyaluronic acid, um, andthen moisturize pretty much it.
I don't really do anything.
Sometimes I throw in like alittle facial oil in there as
well um, but yeah hey that'sgood.
Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, yeah, of course I loveskincare.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
Oh, I really wanted you to pop it, but I just I was
so involved.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I'm really glad that you did it.
I like love.
I was really scared you weregoing to make me make this
myself and I'm just really.
I'm really grateful that so farI haven't had to move.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
He always makes the drinks.
He's a bartender, are youreally?
I used to be, oh my goodness.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Well, thank you guys.
Wait, are you drinking?
Speaker 1 (03:27):
I had a drive here, so no.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Okay, am I party of?
Speaker 3 (03:33):
one.
You are the messy Cheers, Istill have to lock eyes with
both of you.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
We're going to still be messy.
It's just, I tried to order myUber, but I did it too late, so
I drove here.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
I know I should have ordered it for you.
I know, I just was hoping Icould have got brand.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
good, so good.
Well, we wanted you to get likethe best of the best.
I know that like it really isinspiring to see you kind of
take off from, just like youknow, this creator that was
stuck in the pandemic and islike kind of prying to what like
, what inspired you to getstarted in the TikTok space.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
So a lot of people had been texting me and were
like Bran, like have youdownloaded TikTok yet?
And I was like no, like I can'tdo like another social media
app, like that is far too muchfor me.
I can barely keep up with myInstagram and all that jazz.
So I don't think so.
I can barely keep up with myInstagram and all that jazz.
So I don't think so.
But then a lot, like a lot ofmy friends would like start
replying to my Snapchat storiesand they were like do you
(04:30):
realize?
You could just save yourSnapchat story and upload it to
TikTok.
Like you are so funny, you likelive the craziest life.
You and your friends are soinsane.
Like, just give it a try.
So, january of 2021, I cavedand I was like you know what?
At that point, I really wantedto be on reality TV and I did
notice that a lot of reality TVshows were casting like
influencers.
Yes, and I didn't really likeunderstand, like really what an
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influencer was, to be totallytransparent.
So I was just like, because youare a baby, yeah, you're 28.
Speaker 3 (04:57):
I'm 28.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
But at that time I was 24.
That's young yeah, and yeah, Iwas young then.
I feel old now, but yeah, I wasjust like you know what.
Maybe I should just like playaround with TikTok, maybe I'll
like develop a following and Ican use that to kind of get on
TV.
And then little did I know.
Like I actually had like areally good knack for it all and
took off and yeah.
So I started making videos inJanuary 2021.
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I was working a full time, nineto five, during that time and
then I ended up being able toquit my nine to five job April
2022.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So yeah, you mentioned that you were making
$40,000 fast forward to lastyear.
Yes, and I saw it.
Rich BFF.
Yes, I love her.
I've been following her forlike a long time as well, she's
amazing.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yes, you disclosed your what you earned last year,
correct?
Yeah, which was around $800,000.
Yeah $768,000.
Speaker 2 (05:49):
You know that's pre-management, pre-taxes, but
still like yes, I mean, my$40,000 was pre-taxes too, so
definitely a jump, which wasgreat.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Oh my God, and we love the transparency.
Cheers to you being one of veryfew to be so transparent.
Thanks guys.
Yeah, so we are mocktailing ittoday.
Brand flakes is getting messy.
Speaker 2 (06:11):
You're the messy one.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
We think it's fitting your brand with the chaos Of
course the gay chaos.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
The gay chaos of all.
Yes, so that's what we loveabout you is the chaos, and
you're very unfiltered.
You say exactly what's on yourmind.
You don't seem apologetic atall.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Unless I have to be.
I've screwed up before, Likeyou will admit.
If you screw up, oh absolutely,I'm like.
I always take accountability.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, that's what we we like that we do that too.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Can you try like can you stick your straw, or you can
suck on mine, I'll suck onyours.
Suck on my straw.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
This is good.
Yeah, I know it's a differentcolor than.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
What do you feel?
What's the?
What's the juice?
Speaker 3 (06:50):
So it is this Milano or Wilfrids, it's a
non-alcoholic aperitif.
Okay, it's not bad.
Okay, yeah, it's, it's likelisten, we never are going to be
able to perfectly simulate thetraditional.
Speaker 2 (07:05):
But on mocktails, no, I mean, that's a pretty good
sub.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Yeah, you could like fuck with it, yeah.
Like if you had to like take alittle break, yeah, but I think
with me and Kelly, like I lovethe balance because like she's
like more mindfully drinking,you know we're in our thirties.
We're trying to be more.
I've been sober for a year anda half Congratulations, Thank
you.
I've been trying to get to yourlevel with the hustle and the
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work.
I think with the drinking itwas really kind of plateauing me
.
You know what I mean.
I'm sure you have friends thatare like you know.
They talk about all these bigdreams and aspirations and we're
all like you know, we're inthat 40k, like salary maybe, and
you're just like this isn'tenough to survive.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
that's basically what it was, yeah yeah, I can't do
this right, but you obviouslydon't let drinking hold you back
no, I kind of made a career outof drinking, which we like the
messy.
I yeah, I think when I firstlike developed, like launched,
like I was going crazy with thedrinking for sure, and the
pandemic?
Yeah, and it was the pandemic.
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But I realized quickly, likenumber one, everyone grows, not
out of it, but like the more yougrow up, the worse your
hangovers get, and you know youkind of don't want to spend your
only for those who work incorporate.
It's like you've two days offand how many times have you
spent one of those or not?
Both completely hung over andit's like your weekend goes to
shit.
So, yeah, definitely sloweddown on the drinking, but like I
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still love to party.
I think, like I remember tinksaid this someone asked her if
she ever goes sober and she'slike I don't think I'll ever go
sober.
But I go through phases where,like I'm in a really big party
mode and then, like I go throughphases where I'm not and like,
oh my god, december and January,like I was at like my peak
party, like I was going fuckingcrazy, and now I'm like really
focused on work again and I'mtraveling a lot.
So I'm having my cocktails hereand there, choosing my nights
(08:57):
out, but I'm kind of now in likea really hustle mode, as you
point out, so I think it goes inwaves like summer obviously
party, oh my god.
But yeah, no, um, I never.
It's funny, I think a lot ofpeople my haters are like you're
an alcoholic, you're a drinkingproblem, you know let everyone
let everyone have their opinions.
If you actually know me in reallife, which all of my friends
(09:18):
and family do, I've never hadthe talk my friends have never
been like are you okay?
my therapist has never been okay.
My doctor's never been like areyou okay?
Um, so yeah, I don't drink tocope.
I truly drink to like,celebrate and have fun, and I
can do that without alcohol.
I just have a lot of fun withalcohol too.
Exactly, but no, my vice, whenI'm like upset about something,
is eating.
That's how, that's my toxiccoping mechanism.
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I'm like I want mcdonald's ohfor sure, Exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Well, that's great.
I love that message.
I feel like, since we have youhere, we want to hear you talk.
Your hot takes on things, thethings that come out of your
mouth.
Speaker 2 (09:56):
it's what we're here for right, ask me whatever I'm
seriously such an open book.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
And, honestly, some of these might be If you don't
have an answer, you don't haveto answer and we can just edit
it out.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Let it rip.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
Is there any hot takes?
You have that upset people.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I hate New York City and that really upsets people.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
But you're in Philly and I could see that I don't
even want to say I hate New York.
Speaker 2 (10:25):
I just think New York is so overrated.
That's just how I feel, and Ipersonally can never get down
with paying so much to live in aspace that is so small.
Right, the fact that myapartment in Philadelphia would
cost triple the amount if Ilived in New York, and it would
be a third of the size.
I can't justify that.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
Isn't that crazy triple.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, because you're really not that far location Not
at all An hour on the trainright?
Yeah, no, like an hour and 20minutes.
And my thing is, I've neveronce felt relaxed in New York
City.
Anytime I'm out to dinner at acoffee shop anywhere in public,
it feels so overcrowded.
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And I like people like I'm anextrovert, but like there is a
that is too many people.
So that is my hot take thatpeople really get upset with me
about.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
I don't like new york hey, the weather's not even
good there no so that's.
That's my problem with it.
Um, is there, are there anylike misconceptions about you
that you find frustrating?
I mean probably the drinkingproblem.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
See, I actually never thought of you as a drink,
because you're so happy andpositive oh, thank you and I
think you also like have such asuccess, so like if you were
like not working actually analcoholic, I wouldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (11:40):
Yeah, yeah, yeah um, but yeah, I think that like part
like really bothers me.
I also just like when do webecome so comfortable like
commenting on people's likeposts that you don't know?
Like, oh, you have a drinkingproblem, oh, you're an alcoholic
.
Like what?
Like I would never like go up.
Just even if I had a closefriend that I felt like had an
issue, I would sit them down, belike, hey, I'm a little bit
concerned about your behavior, Iwouldn't go up to them.
(12:01):
Be like, oh you, oh, you're analcoholic, you need to go to
rehab.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
Yeah, because that's gonna make them stop.
Yeah, like, do you think that'sgonna?
Speaker 2 (12:06):
like make things better.
So, yeah, I think that's amisconception about me.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
But you're glowing.
I mean people with like thedrinking problem.
They have like the gray skin.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
They look kind of like there's no here and
bullshit.
I've definitely had my moments.
I don't think I've ever beengray.
I've definitely looked like youshould have seen me this
morning.
I looked like shit.
I'll have to add you guys to myclose friend story.
You'll enjoy it.
You'll enjoy that.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Okay, so you did go a little wild last night.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Like not really.
Here's the thing.
I was so tired obviouslyBecause, as I mentioned, I got
to the conference like threehours before it started and
loved it to death.
But that was very overstimulating.
I was talking to people all day.
My social battery goes onoverdrive.
Like I said, I'm superextroverted, but I was like fuck
, I'm talking a lot.
(12:59):
I think like I literally hadlike maybe like two or three
drinks last night, but I think Iwas so tired.
It's just like that, combinedwith the drinks, just made me
like delirious and I like kindof blacked out.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Like at 11 pm.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
I just like knocked, which was great.
I needed it honestly, I know,but yeah, I woke up at like 5 in
the morning today.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
You said something funny yesterday while you were
like on stage talking in frontof everyone.
You said that in this industry,like you're not really friends
with anybody, or I might nothave your words like completely
right, but um yeah you know Ilike.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
So last month I switched management companies
and I am such an empathetic andemotional person like I'm really
such an empath are you a cancer?
no, I'm a leo, but I have a lotof cancer signs, like in my
chart.
Um, like the, I don't havecancer my big three but like if
you look at my chart, there's alot of cancer in it.
Um, but yeah, I'm very likeempathy.
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So when I was like meeting withdifferent managers, like I felt
so bad, like letting peopledown and being like I'm not
going to continue to work thiswas great, but I'm not going to
hire you my therapist was likeBrandon, you need to stop like
taking this shit so personal.
Like you are a business and, atthe end of the day, these
people aren't your friends.
So that's more like what Imeant.
Influencers, I do consider likea few other creators friends of
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mine, but like at the same time,it is like a weird sort of
co-worker relationship.
Like I have one close friend,carly Weinstein.
Like she genuinely is one of mybest friends.
Like we met through thisindustry, but like she has seen
me at my lowest, um, and we likeshe will send my friends from
like college or my close friendsfrom Philly.
(14:37):
Like and she lives in New York,she'll send them a text if
she's worried about me.
Like she genuinely is a friend.
I don't have that many Carlys.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I have like maybe a few like her.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
My friend Eli Jazz and Hallie, I would say, are
like my real close friends.
Everyone else, you know, it'skind of like we see each other
at events you know, we dopodcasts together sometimes, but
like I wouldn't text themnecessarily if I was like going
through crisis, you know.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Yeah Well, I, yeah well, I will say like a little
like tidbit.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Like I was very nervous to like set this up so
fast with you because we like toprep, yeah.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
But then I was like, oh my god, when I saw you at the
coffee shop it was just likeall my anxiety dissipated, oh I
was like I saw him randomly atthe coffee shop and I was like
he is gonna be such a like, justlike is going to be such a like
, just like going to be fun,like we're not going to have to
plan this.
Speaker 2 (15:26):
No, I'm like so much better.
Like off the rip yeah.
And like I said, like we cantalk about literally anything.
If we like, run out ofquestions we can start talking
about like pop culture, oh, forsure.
Or your sex life or my sex life.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Whatever you guys want to know.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
I love talking about my sex life.
Let's talk about your sex life.
Speaker 3 (15:46):
Yes, you're in a situationship.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
He's in LA Wait so you are seeing somebody, but
it's a situationship Not seeingsomeone exclusively.
Speaker 2 (15:50):
So like I am fully single.
Like if someone wants to fuckdown, let's go.
But you know, I'm in asituationship with LA boy.
He's so cute, he's so great.
We actually met on social medialike four years ago.
At the time, like he was one ofmy first followers, which is so
cool, like he's seen myplatform from the shape of it.
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And I messaged him and hefollowed me.
I was like, oh my God, like youare so handsome.
And he's like, oh, thank you somuch, like I love your content.
I was like, are you single?
And?
And then they broke up and thenI had a boyfriend and you know
how you can like, stalk someone.
You know you can watchsomeone's social media and tell
that they broke up with theirsignificant other.
Like he definitely noticed thatme and my ex had broken up last
year and he swooped into my DMSand now we've been talking ever
(16:35):
since and we finally met inperson um about three weeks ago
and he's so great.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
You know, like we're just having fun.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
Obviously he lives in la.
I'm in philly, I adore.
Would you ever move to la?
Um, not in the next like fewyears.
No, right now I am like loving,I love philly so much.
Um, and I just like feel likeright now my a lot of my
platform is focused on phillyand it's just my family's there.
So I will always, no matterwhat, have a home in philly.
But if someone told me, hey,you might be able to be
bi-coastal in a few years, like,I would not mind that because I
really do love California.
That's our goal.
We'll all reach it.
Speaker 3 (17:12):
I mean, I will say, though, kind of what really like
made me feel so connected toyou is because you're like I am
a Philly boy.
This is like where we're doingeverything this is who you are,
and like we are really trueYinzers, like Pittsburghers,
like we are, and so like to comeback and be able to do what we
love in podcasts In LA.
(17:35):
It was like it was hard becauseshe was in the South, like she
was in South Carolina,mississippi, so to work remote
was tricky, and then even likethe cost, like just to operate.
Yeah, you know, like to getstarted, I feel like it's really
been helpful to be in ourhometown, you know no 100.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
Stick to your roots always.
I think there's a lot of peoplethat I don't want to say they
sell out, but I think they'rereally eager to like go to new
york and go to la, and I get it,because there is so much
opportunity for the creatorworld there, but there's also so
much competition and that'swhat I love about.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Philly, it's like there's a few other creators.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
But yeah, I'm a big fish in a little pond.
I've always thrived in thatkind of environment.
So, it's perfect for me.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Right and your main character, energy, not to say
that you wouldn't be in thesebigger cities.
Like, definitely have thatcapability with the platform.
A million followers on TikTok,300k on Instagram I mean the sky
is the limit for you.
But you also are strategic withthe business aspect behind it,
because you could have a lot ofthese.
(18:33):
I mean you can explain that,like you know people with a lot
of followers that are nottreating it as a business.
No, yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
A hundred percent.
I mean you have to really likeit, go after it every single day
, like, yeah, I have a plot,like a lot of people would take
my following and be like, okay,you're done, brian, like you can
just chill.
It's like, no, I want to keepgrowing that, I want to keep
developing, like I want to getinto other areas of the business
, whether it's hosting, whetherit's red carpet correspondence.
I will never be quote unquotesatisfied and not in like a bad,
(19:02):
toxic way.
It's just, I'm a really biggoal driven person.
I constantly like to challengemyself and achieve new things,
and I'm not good at being bored.
That's why, like the corporateindustry was like never it for
me.
I was, like this is too mundane.
I want to be more in control oflike my you know day to day
schedule and how businesses run.
So, yeah, for me, I'm alwaysfocused on like what's next Do
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you take time off?
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Do you like have an off day?
Do you take vacation and notlike?
Speaker 2 (19:31):
disconnect Not as much as I should, not as much as
I should.
I try to like, once every fewweeks, put like a blackout date,
like usually a Sunday that Icall like a rot day, and I
really try to just like reallydisconnect.
I'll be honest, like with theplatform growth that I've been
experiencing recently and allthe travel that just like hasn't
been possible, but like I alsoreally thrive on being on the go
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and like that's definitely notall the way healthy, I should be
able to like sit on the couchwithout spiraling.
I have a little bit of likeproductivity guilt where, like,
if I feel like I could be likedoing something else that's more
productive, I definitely can belike no, like go get up and do
something.
When it's like no, you can siton the couch and watch white
Lotus Like you're okay, yeah, um, but yeah, that's that's what
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we're working on in therapy.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
I love it.
I I wasn't.
I'm still in therapy.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
to take it more seriously, yeah, I mean, you get
what you put into it.
Yeah, yeah, I have a reallygreat therapist, which is great.
I mean, I love therapy.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
That's pro therapy.
What about you, Kelly?
Speaker 1 (20:30):
I've never been.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Isn't that crazy.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I've always meant to go.
I've had times where I've, likebeen spiraling and I know I
need to go, but then I don't.
Wow, that's a rarity.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
You kind of do seem like, dare I say, non-mentally
ill.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Thank you, wow, unless I'm PMSing.
If you catch me when I'm PMSing, do you have anxiety.
On and off.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
She does, but then she covers it up.
It's like where me and youcould probably wear it on our
sleeve, definitely.
Speaker 1 (20:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:00):
I don't even know when she has it.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
Wow, I don't even know when she has it.
Yeah, no, I think the onlything that gives me anxiety is
my children.
Oh wow, Like I didn't haveanxiety until I had to care for
somebody else.
Speaker 2 (21:09):
Yeah, that's so valid yeah.
Wow, good for you,Congratulations, thank you.
Do you want kids?
Oh, wait, you go ahead.
Speaker 1 (21:16):
Oh, that's a good question though.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I don't know.
Ask you genuinely, I don't knowlike this is gonna sound like
so weird.
I never thought I did.
And then, with my ex, like whenI like realized, like what love
felt, like I was like, oh, Iwant a kid with you, like I want
that's.
When I was like okay, likemaybe I do want kids.
I just can never picture thembecause right now I don't even
like know who my partner wouldbe.
Yeah, so I I would say likemaybe, but like not anytime soon
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.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Yeah, right, well, you have time.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
Yeah, especially as a man like yeah, you have all the
time that you want what is thedating pool like in philly,
apparently here for the gaycommunity.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
It's pretty ran through and small.
I think you're watching like ayearbook.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
It's so funny.
Have you ever asked somebodyfrom any city what's the dating
life like and have they everanswered?
It's so great.
Speaker 1 (22:07):
No no.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Never.
Everywhere you go, any city,they'll be like the dating here
sucks, the dating here sucks.
I've heard that from Philly,New York, Miami, Austin, you
name it.
If I ask someone what's thedating like, I've never heard
someone be like it's actuallyreally good.
You, A lot of Greek guys Likeno, that's a good point.
Men are trash all over theworld?
Yeah, they are, so it reallydoes not matter what state, what
zip code, you know they'regarbage, Not women though I
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don't know, I don't want to like, but yeah, the gay community
isn't huge for sure Like Idefinitely feel like especially
me, I guess being like a littlebit bit recognizable.
I don't feel like I have likenecessarily a clean slate, but
yeah, I'm not doing when you sayclean slate.
What do you mean?
Like I've caught my bodies,I've caught my bodies.
(22:55):
I've made out with a lot ofdifferent people from a lot of
different cliques in the gaycommunity.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
I will say it's a little cliquey in the gay
community.
Are you like a fuck boy?
Speaker 3 (23:07):
I wouldn't say I'm a fuckboy.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
I would say I'm a slut, not a fuckboy.
I think a fuckboy plays withpeople's heads.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
And.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I'm not.
You guys just heard me talkabout my situation.
I'm single.
There's no room forinterpretation like this it's
what it is, we're having fun,and I think fuckboys kind of
don't do that.
I think they kind of act likemaybe there's going to be.
They play games that I thinkthey kind of like actually like
maybe there's gonna be like theyplay games.
Yeah, they play games.
I definitely wouldn't say Iplay games.
I think I'm just over the toplike blunt very like for I would
(23:39):
say I'm very forward and thatis not for everybody.
Like some people are veryturned off by that to me.
I don't like play the wholegame of it like if I think
you're attractive, I will tellyou I think you're attractive,
I've no, I've gone up to amillion people before and just
be like hey, do you want to makeout?
Like I don't, that's just andthat is not everyone's style and
that is so fine.
That's really for me.
(23:59):
I've always been like backwardswith dating, like I would love
to fuck first, like let's havesex yeah, test drive the car and
then we get dinner and likethere's no, like overarching,
like where's this gonna go?
Are we gonna hook up afterdinner?
And not that it should be likethat, that that's just me being
a fucking whore.
But yeah like I'm samanthajones, but I've had like, so my
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ex, like we had a one nightstand and then it turned into a
two night stand and then itturned to do you want to get
dinner this week?
and then it like I love how thatworks.
I've never been great at thetraditional like let's go on a
date and get to know each otherbecause, like I'm a hornball,
like I like want to fuck, likeimmediately.
I'm just gonna say so Iwouldn't say I'm a fuckboy, but
(24:43):
I definitely would say I'm aslut.
I'm definitely a hornball I'mdefinitely forward pro sex.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
What is it?
Sex it?
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Sex positive.
I'm very sex positive.
I had this conversation on mypodcast.
My friends were like yousubscribe to people's OnlyFans.
I was like, absolutely.
Speaker 1 (24:57):
I love supporting our sex workers, but you don't have
an OnlyFans, correct?
No, I don't Not yet.
Have you thought about it?
Speaker 2 (25:04):
No, that's not your brand.
I don't think that's my brand.
Also, I don't think that's mybrand.
Also, like I like don't likenot to say, I like hate myself
or anything, but I'm not likesuper confident in my appearance
, so I wouldn't really like wantto put that out there.
Do you have a type.
I mean I definitely tend tolike if you.
I say I don't have a type, butif you look at who I've dated, I
clearly have a type.
I like men from the.
(25:27):
I like thick guys for sure, butfor me it's definitely
personality.
If you have a great charm andmake me feel super happy and I
enjoy being around you, itreally doesn't matter anything
beyond that.
I definitely am personalityfirst.
I've met people who are so hotthat literally have had the
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worst personality that I'm notattracted to.
And I've met people who like atfirst glance like I wouldn't
necessarily swipe right to themon a dating app, but I talk to
them and I get to know them andI'm like, oh wow, I'm really
attracted to you.
Speaker 1 (26:00):
They start to get cute and as soon as they start
not liking you back.
Speaker 2 (26:06):
They get really cute.
Oh my god, I know that's hot,it's so hot, it's so bad.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
Let me ask you this yeah, I love me some latin boys.
I find them like just reallygood lovers and like, very like
that part baby we're gonna go dothis like it's like very like,
I don't know, it's just likeit's dominant in a way, is that
I mean?
Yeah, I mean I don't want tostereotype anything just like
it's dominant in a way, is that?
I mean it's stereotyped.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
Maybe I don't want to stereotype anybody but I do
think a lot of times in theLatin community the men are
really good at like cooking andcleaning and taking care and
like that is like.
I really my love language is notwait.
I like when my partner's lovelanguage is acts of service,
like I love a man that will likecome into my room in the
(26:51):
morning with like coffee andbreakfast and like will grab my
suitcase for me and hold thedoor for me like I'm a diva, so
for me I love that type of stuffa diva, a slut, what else?
uh, you know a lot a lot ofthings um, so yeah I have
noticed a lot of the men in theLatin community are very much
like that.
(27:11):
And they love to kind of makesure I'm taken care of.
Speaker 3 (27:14):
Oh my god, it's so hot yeah that's my crib tonight.
So that's your acts of love, orthe love language.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
My personal love language is quality time.
I'm a needy anxious, attachedtype of person.
I want to see you.
I want to talk to you I wantyou to pick me up from the bar.
I want you to come over afterwork like I'm a leo and I'm a
leo that posts online like youcan write attention whore on my
(27:43):
forehead.
I need constant validation,constant attention that's
amazing.
Constant reassurance, I mean,it's something.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
No, wonder you're in therapy.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
I think that's so cute though.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I'm very much in therapy.
I was kidding because I do loveattention, I think, as
influencers or podcasters orpeople that want to be in the
camera or in the limelight.
There is that element.
I remember Andy Cohen said itbest he's sitting like on this,
like whatever you call one ofthose housewife reunions, and
(28:14):
he's like, let's be honest, weall are vain here.
Yeah, like or like there issome element I can never deny
that, no, no, what's your lovelanguage?
it's quality time, quality timeokay, yeah, I really don't know
mine.
I thought it was physical touch.
But I think it's the words orwhat like when somebody like oh
the words of affirmation, thewords of affirmation is great.
(28:36):
I didn't realize that untilrecent.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
That is probably a close second for me.
Like I definitely need to be,like, like I said, like,
reassured, reaffirmed.
Yeah, for sure, do you likegift giving?
Speaker 3 (28:50):
um, do you like gift giving?
You know what I?
Speaker 2 (28:51):
just unless it's really really expensive, like I
don't really like cheap shit Idon't really care about the
little thing.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Yeah, like I'll pretend I do like because it's a
nice thing to do.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
Yeah, yeah, but I don't want to be fake.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
This is the new year of like no fakeness.
Like what you said in 2025.
Like I don't have time for thefucking bullshit.
Like what was the thing thatyou said about you don't want
somebody to get drunk and tellyou that they're angry with you
three weeks later?
Speaker 2 (29:15):
Yeah, I mean I have a problem with people.
I think that's my biggest petpeeve, especially with dating,
is I cannot deal with peoplethat cannot communicate.
I'm definitely an overthinkerand probably an
over-communicator.
I love that.
I really do not like gray area.
I over communicator.
I love that.
I really do not like gray area.
I don't like when people knowhow they feel but won't tell you
(29:40):
how they feel or won't tell youin a way that, like makes sense
or is respectful.
Um, so that pisses me off.
Like if you are upset aboutsomething, let's discuss it and
if not, don't bring it up.
Like, don't bring it up threeweeks later.
You know if you need a time tothink about you know how I'm
gonna say this and you know Iwant to be really, like you know
thoughtful of how I'm gonnapresent what I'm upset about.
(30:00):
That's all good and fun, butlike if we're at a bar and
you're gonna tell me now thatyou're upset about something
that happened weeks ago onewrong environment to tell me and
two like why didn't you tell mesooner?
Speaker 1 (30:11):
like I don't know that stuff pisses me off I'm
gonna piggyback off that just toadd to it.
I hate, I hate that.
And then I hate when people getpassive, aggressive, like
that's my biggest just fuckingsay it to me.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Yeah, I don't like passive aggressiveness at all.
Can I have some more?
Of course, let's get this alittle.
It's got this little orange red.
Speaker 3 (30:31):
Do you want me to get you some more champagne?
No, you're good with that.
Speaker 2 (30:36):
I think I'm good, perfect.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Oh, that's a pretty color.
Yeah, that's great.
That's the way it should be.
That's great.
How is Alex Cooper?
She's great.
Yeah, that was pretty fuckingamazing.
Speaker 2 (30:54):
I mean, she's just someone that I've looked up to
for so long.
Yeah, I think, like the empire,it's literally an empire.
The empire she's built is likeas a content creator I feel like
it's impossible not to respecther, unless you're a straight-up
hater um and like how could?
You hate her exactly, but she'sreally like so kind in person
not that I expected her not tobe, but like she's a
pennsylvania girl.
She grew up 30 minutes from me.
But yeah, she's super down toearth, definitely has not let
(31:15):
any of the success made her likegone to her head.
She's extremely humble.
She's great yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:20):
Yeah, I thought that was so fucking cool when I saw
you there, and I was like oh, myGod.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
Yeah.
Bran Flakes is everywhere Itried to be when is he not?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
I know, Like, have you seen somebody that you're
like have your eye on next, thatyou want to collaborate with?
Speaker 2 (31:34):
Um, I've always wanted to collaborate with Kylie
Kelsey.
She's been a dream guest ofmine on my podcast.
Speaker 1 (31:41):
I know they were talking about her yesterday, I
know.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
So, backstory, liquid Death was at the panel that we
were at yesterday and they did ahuge partnership with her.
And I was like fo Rory, liquidDeath was at the panel that we
were at yesterday and they did ahuge partnership with her and I
was like foaming at the mouth.
I was like whose dick do I haveto suck to get her contact?
Which?
Speaker 3 (31:53):
is so funny.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
We have so many mutual friends and we follow
each other and she's respondedto me here and there before, but
no, I mean definitely wouldlove to collab with her in some
capacity.
Speaker 3 (32:01):
And tell me why you're obsessed with her.
Speaker 2 (32:11):
I know why I am.
Yeah, just think she's so downto earth.
I think she's so effortlesslyfunny.
I think she's real authentic.
Speaker 3 (32:14):
Um, but mainly you know she's from philly and she
loves philly.
Speaker 2 (32:16):
She reps philly so well.
I love her husband jason.
I love the eagles um, so I'mobsessed with her.
Speaker 3 (32:22):
I know jason, I think , is like my favorite from the
beginning I didn't even know whotravis until Taylor.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
Yeah, and I always knew.
Speaker 3 (32:30):
Jason, and I think it has a lot to do with.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
And Jason's been looking good.
Oh yeah, I love a beardlumbersexual oh lumbersexual.
Do you think?
Speaker 3 (32:38):
he's lumbersexual.
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Absolutely.
I'm going to be honest, I'venever heard that, but I'm going
to steal it now.
Speaker 3 (32:43):
See, you are showing your age.
You are a young'un Am.
I showing my Lumber sexual islike a millennial thing.
Have you heard lumber sexual?
Yes, you have.
When you had that axe video,she had this TikTok axe guy.
And I brought it up on thepodcast.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I said, oh, you like lumber sexual.
Maybe I heard it once from youbefore.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
I've never heard anyone else say that Maybe it's
not a thing anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Okay, wow, we're going to bring it back.
I'm into lumber sexual.
Yes, get Wow, and we're goingto bring it back.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
I'm into lumber sexual.
Yes, I get a flannel on.
Grow that beard out.
Okay, you know, show me thathairy chest.
Oh.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I have that, oh fuck yeah, I see it.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
I see the beard creeping down there.
Yeah, I know I was.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
I don't know if this is totally irrelevant, but I was
dating somebody and they laserhair removed everything and I
relevant, but I was datingsomebody and they laser hair
removed everything and I'm like,no see, I shaved, I did shave
my chest, okay, and someone thatI was seeing at the time was
like really upset about it yeah.
I had to do that.
I was like, I love like whatbeing what I call creamy, which
is like, yes, hairless and tan,like oh that like, I love that
(33:47):
look, yeah, so I was going to.
Where was I going?
I think it was California.
So I was going to.
Where was I going?
I think it was California and Iwas like I want to be just
peanut butter you could justscoop off my skin.
So I shaved off my entire chestand got a gorgeous spray tan.
That's sexy, but it's growingin now and I like how it's
growing in.
It's nice to have, but I'mJewish, so when it's there it is
full bush on my chest.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
it's really hairy and itchy, uh huh, but I can see
what you're saying.
Like with the tan, with the tan, that's hot, there's nothing
better to me than like a nicetan, hairless butt like a
Channing Tatum, only fans.
Is he bisexual?
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (34:24):
I heard he was that is super hot cause, yeah, when
he you know he used to be astripper and I heard that there
was a lot of lore that like hewas a bisexual, like he's
bisexual.
I don't know if that'sconfirmed or denied, but when he
posted that picture today I waslike holy goodness.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
I think the way he moves it, it's gotta be a little
bi yeah right, I think so.
I mean so I'm bisexual, but allintensive purpose have had now
at this point like morerelationships with guys, but I
do find myself always checkingout women physically.
I don't know what it is, Ithink it's just like, but it's
hard to date a woman.
(34:59):
I mean women are beautiful.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
I agree, that's why I like men yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Can you imagine you dating a chick?
No, fuck, no, oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (35:09):
We were talking about this last night.
Is a gold star gay, someonewho's never done anything with a
woman, or just someone whohasn't had sex with a woman?
Speaker 3 (35:15):
I thought it was intercourse, but they could have
eaten them out, that's what Ithought too.
Speaker 2 (35:19):
So I am a gold star gay.
I've never had sex with a girlRight, but I've made out with
more girls than guys.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Did you?
Speaker 2 (35:28):
ever finger or eat them?
No, that's the thing.
I love boobs.
I love boobs, love boobs, but Icannot do.
Fake or real, I can't do vagina, I can't.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
Something about the vagina?
Speaker 2 (35:43):
No shade.
I think there's some girls withbeautiful vaginas, it's just
not my taste.
You radiate CPE Clean pussyenergy.
Speaker 1 (35:50):
Oh, thank you.
That is like the nicest thingever.
Speaker 3 (35:53):
Oh my God, we're learning so many things from
Brand Flakes Well me and my thisis bad Me and my friends.
Speaker 2 (35:57):
we created DPE, which is like dirty pussy energy.
It's like a meme term, butyou're girlies, someone that
like we just like are reallygrossed out like she's dpe, like
dirty pussy energy.
I love it.
But then we started doing cpe,which is the opposite and you
like radiate cp.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Oh my god, yeah, yeah , you do too.
Oh, thanks, I mean, or wait,can we say b?
Is it cb?
What's the b for bussy?
Speaker 2 (36:28):
oh, okay per.
Oh yeah, the bussy, I thoughtyou were saying bd and like or
clean or clean dick energy.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
I would like to think my dick is clean.
Yeah, you wash it oh no, it'sbeen around.
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