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January 9, 2025 13 mins

In this engaging episode of Money Talk With Tiff, host Tiffany Grant welcomes back Dr. Jordan Grumet, also fondly known as Doc G, to discuss his latest book, The Purpose Code. Previously featured on episode 322 where they explored the concept of "Redefining Rich" through Dr. Grumet’s experiences as a hospice doctor, this episode shifts focus to understanding and creating one's purpose.

Dr. Grumet delves into what he calls "purpose anxiety", the struggle many face in finding their purpose and how it can lead to anxiety and depression. He unpacks his approach to solving this paradox by advocating for an active creation of purpose rather than searching endlessly for it. Tiffany and Dr. Grumet talk about identifying "purpose anchors," small activities or interests that bring joy and meaning on a daily basis.

Throughout the conversation, they touch upon practical strategies to find these purpose anchors, how to overcome common obstacles in the journey of creating purpose, and how societal pressures can often derail us from our authentic paths.

Check out the full show notes: https://moneytalkwitht.com/podcast-show-notes/the-purpose-code/

Takeaways

  • Finding your purpose isn't about searching; it's about actively creating it through your passions.
  • Purpose can come from everyday activities that bring you joy, not just lofty goals.
  • People often feel pressure to find a singular purpose, leading to anxiety and frustration.
  • Purpose anchors are the small things that excite you and can guide your life direction.
  • Social media can skew our perception of purpose, making it seem glamorous instead of personal.
  • Reflecting on childhood interests can reveal valuable clues about your true purpose today.

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(00:00):
You know what it is? That'sright. It's time to talk money with
your money nerd and financialcoach. Now tighten those purse strings
and open those ears. It's theMoney Talk with Tiff podcast.
Hey, everyone. I am so excitedbecause I have a repeat guest on
the line. I have Dr. JordanGrummet, or Doc G as he's wonderfully

(00:24):
called, to come on and talk tous about the Purpose Code. Now, if
you feel like that name soundsfamiliar, that was on episode 322
where we talked aboutredefining Rich. And if you haven't
listened to that episode, Ihighly recommend going back because
it was some gems where hetalked about being a hospice doctor

(00:47):
and what that looked like. Butwe're not going to get into that
now. We're here to talk aboutsomething totally different. Hey,
Doc G. How are you?
I am so happy to be here andhave this conversation with you.
Yes, for sure. And thank youso much for coming on again. You
dropped so many gems lasttime, so let's just dive right in.
What is the purpose code?
Well, basically, I wrote abook called Taking Stock, and the

(01:07):
main premise was that we hadto put purpose before we built our
financial framework. And Iwent to market this book and I gave
a bunch of talks about it, andI would get people coming to me after
the talk, angry, and it reallysurprised me. They'd be sweating.
They'd be a little bit. Youknow, they'd almost look pissed off
and they'd say, stop tellingme to find my purpose. I. I don't

(01:29):
know what my purpose is. I'vebeen looking for it forever. I'm
feeling really anxious anddepressed because of it. Maybe there
is no purpose. I think you'rehurting people by telling them to
find their purpose. Now, thefirst time someone did this, I was
like, okay, that's a one off.And it kept happening over and over
again. So I did a dive intothe literature about purpose, and
I found two things thatcontradict each other. One is the

(01:50):
data showed very clearly thatpurpose is associated with health,
happiness, and longevity. Itwas very, very clear. Tons of studies.
But I also found that 91% ofpeople at some point in their life
get what's called purposeanxiety. The idea of purpose actually
makes them anxious anddepressed and feel frustrated. So
this was a paradox. And so Iwrote this book, the Purpose Code,
to really help people imaginea better version of purpose where

(02:14):
you get all the good stuff,all the happiness, longevity, and
health, and let go of all thebad stuff, the anxiety and Depression.
Yes. I love that because, youknow, matter of fact, I've had a
couple of conversations in myDMs recently with people like, I
really have no idea what I'mhere for. Like, I don't know what
my skill set is. I don't knowwhat my passion is. And so tell us

(02:38):
a little bit about how you getinto helping people find their purpose
in the purpose code.
So two things. First of all, Ioften say you don't find purpose,
you create it. So I reallywant to build for people this idea
that it's an active process.Let's start at the beginning, what
you're talking about whenpeople are like, I don't know what
my purpose is. I don't knowwhat I'm supposed to be doing with
my life. Part of the problemis we make this a really high stakes

(03:02):
venture. We make purpose thisbig audacious thing that you either
find it and life is good andeverything is great, or you don't
find it and you die unhappy.And the truth of the matter is the
stakes are not nearly thathigh. Purpose actually isn't big
and audacious. And in factit's not usually goal oriented. The
kind of purpose that makes ushappy is actually things we love

(03:23):
and enjoy the process ofdoing. So instead of being scarce,
like there's this one thingand I either find it and everything's
great or I don't and I'm lost.I want it to appear a lot more abundant.
Purpose is something that youcan find in your everyday life. There's
multiple, multiple versions ofpurpose. You can't fail. You either
do something and you likedoing it, or you don't like doing

(03:44):
it and you move on to the nextthing. And so it's not all or nothing
the way people often look atpurpose. Instead it's all or all.
It's very abundance oriented.So the first thing I help people
do is reorient the way theylook at purpose. Instead of big and
audacious. We're looking forwhat I really call little P purpose,
which is things you enjoy theprocess of doing. And by reorienting

(04:07):
people, we make it a much morejoyful process.
Gotcha. And I love thatperspective. I'm all about the mindset
flips. And that was reallyhelpful. Even when I asked you the
question and when you saidthat, I said, oh, you know, we're
not really finding this, we'recreating this. And I love that aspect
of it because I feel like Iam, I created my purpose here. You

(04:29):
know, I'm here to teach peopleabout money, business, career. And
I have a lot of fun doing it.It's because I'm make. I'm creating
that purpose.
And here's the thing. So I sayyou don't find purpose, but it is
true. You have to get in touchwith what I call purpose anchors.
So these are inklings orbeckonings, things that really draw
you in and get you excited.But then it's an active process of

(04:52):
building purpose around thosethings. And so that's the differentiation
I want to. Yes, you do have tothink about what's important to you,
and those are those purposeanchors. But again, it's not as high
stakes, high risk. You canhave millions of purpose anchors.
There are millions of thingsyou can enjoy doing. And then it's
really a process of buildingthat purpose around it. And that's

(05:14):
what I want to remind people.Again, gets back to abundance.
And, you know, I'm glad youmentioned you could have multiple
purpose anchors, because Ifeel like everything that I do is
stuff that I enjoy. And I'macting and I'm living in my purpose.
And a lot of people outsidelooking in, they're like, but Tiffany,

(05:35):
you do so much like, you sureyou're supposed to be doing all of
that? But to your point, youcan have multiple purpose anchors.
Yeah. And they're notdifficult to identify. So in the
book, I talk about some realeasy ways to identify your purpose
anchors. One is the lifereview, which I do with my hospice
patients. But it really comesdown to this question of regret.
If you were lying on yourdeathbed and you kind of said to

(05:56):
yourself, what do I reallyregret? Never having the energy,
correct courage or time to dowell in someone who's dying. That's
really sad because you don'thave agency, energy, time to fix
that. But in a young, healthyperson, regret is just another version
of a purpose anchor. If you'reregretting something, why don't you
build a version of purposearound that? So that's one. Another
way is to look at things likework. Most people don't like their

(06:17):
work, but probably could findone activity in work they like, and
that might be the purposeanchor. Like, I like doing stock
every Thursday because I'malone and it's very organized and
I like keeping track ofeverything. And it's the one thing
I like, even though I hate myjob at the restaurant for the rest
of the week. Well, that'ssomething that you could build a
purpose anchor around. Thereare joys of childhood. A lot of us

(06:39):
actually found purpose when wewere kids, and then we abandon it
to become what society tellsus we're supposed to be or to get
a job. But go back to yourchildhood. Look at your childhood
room. What trophies did youhave? What drawings, what posters
were in your room? Sometimesthose can be anchors of purpose.
And then there's the spaghettimethod. You know, throw a bunch of
stuff up against the wall andsee what sticks. If you have no idea

(07:00):
what feels like purpose toyou, volunteer for a bunch of stuff.
Do stuff with people younormally wouldn't hang out with.
Maybe do things that make youfeel a little anxious because they're
new and see if any of it fits.Once you know what those purpose
anchors are, then you canstart building a life of purpose
around them.
Yes, yes. And I'm glad thatyou hit on number three, which is

(07:20):
looking back at your childhoodand your upbringing to see, because
I tell people there are, like,repeating themes that you'll kind
of see throughout your life.And I know, like, for me, I remember
being as young as, like, fiveand cutting coupons, even though
I wasn't using them,obviously. But I just like going
through the motions. And sonow I look back and I'm like, oh,

(07:41):
like, I was already kind oflike personal finance oriented at
that young age. And so. Andalso, like, having businesses and
stuff. I've always had abusiness since I was little. So it's
like these reoccurring themes.And I love how you frame that as
purpose anchors, because Iwholeheartedly feel that.
And what I love about thecoupons is when you were a kid, you

(08:03):
didn't have a goal, you justdid it because you liked doing it.
Somehow, as we get older, itall becomes a goal. You don't build
the business because you liketo build the business. You build
the business because you wantto make money, which is fine. But
then you get caught up, socaught up in making money, you don't
enjoy what you're doing everyday. And even if you do make the
money, you've spent most ofyour time doing things you don't

(08:23):
like doing. And then it'slike, well, I made money, but now
I need to make double themoney. And so then you go back to
doing a bunch of stuff youdon't like. Kids know how to enjoy
the moment. They get lost inwhat I call flow. They get so busy
doing things, they don't evennotice time passing. Why don't we
do that as adults? And I thinkit has to do with our version of
purpose. We choose a goalOriented version of purpose instead

(08:43):
of a process oriented versionof purpose. That's what I call little
P. Purpose. And I think weshould spend a lot more of our life
doing that. And so for peoplelike you, who have tons of visions
about what purpose is, soyou're always busy doing a bunch
of stuff. Well, that's winningthe game. Because really, our goal
is to fill up as much time aswe can with stuff we love that lights
us up. And so the more of thatstuff you have, the more of your

(09:06):
day you're spending doing thatstuff, and less of your time during
your day that you're spendingdoing things you loathe. That's what
winning the game looks like.
I absolutely like the wholetime you were talking. I'm so glad
y'all can't see me because myhead is literally about to fall off,
like, nodding in agreementwith everything you just said because
that is so on point. So onpoint. It's for me, like you said,

(09:32):
purpose comes from within. Andonce we have these purpose anchors,
we can create the life that wewant to live. We can create that,
you know, that. That cycle.And it's just so freeing. And it's
so, like, I just love this.And I'm sure I said that with the
last episode with Doc G that Iwas like, not in my head until it
fell off. But this is so real.So let me ask you, as we're thinking

(09:57):
about those things and we'regoing through the book, and we're
like, okay, I can create mypurpose. What are some things? Or
what is one thing that canhold us back? Like, after we figure
out the purpose anchors, we'vedone all of this, and we're like,
yep, I'm gonna do it. I'mgonna do it. And then sometimes we

(10:17):
get stuck. What is one thingthat might can get us stuck? As we're
following this purpose code, I.
Think there are a few thingsthat people actually really get stuck
on. One is that, again, theydon't create their purpose. So this
is a very active process.Purpose is about present and future,
and it's about action. And soyou have to take action. So purpose
is not going to build self. Sothat's one place people get stuck.

(10:39):
Another place people get stuckis that they find they're not enjoying
it anymore, but they're afraidto move on to the next anchor to
work on. So they start doingsomething. They think it's going
to be joyful. It is joyful fora certain amount of time, but it
stops being joyful or itstarts getting too goal oriented
and then they lose the joy ofdoing it. One is you either have

(10:59):
to divorce the goals or youhave to move on to a different purpose
anchor. And last but notleast, I think, you know, a big problem
that we all face is when wefind things that fill us up and pursue
them, they often don't looklike everyone else. So if you're
watching social media andTikTok and everyone is working on
their six pack abs and they'reworking on their seven figure business
and they're working ontraveling to every country in the

(11:21):
world, or you're looking atmarketing and advertising which are
trying to sell us something,trying to sell us a lifestyle by
putting all these beautifulimages in front of our faces. It's
really easy to co opt or tryto take someone else's version of
purpose, usually a version ofpurpose that's sold to us by people
who are trying to make moneyoff of us as opposed to stick to

(11:41):
your version of purpose whichmay not appear as glamorous but actually
lights you up. And so I thinkwe're all at risk of that just because
of our social media andadvertising culture.
Yes, yes. I agree with all ofthat. Of like, you are preaching
to the choir. I'm over herelike yes. Hand up in the air like,
yes. But anyway, if people arelistening to this and they're like,

(12:03):
okay, I hear you Doc G. I'mready to get this book or I'm ready
to learn more about purpose.Where could they find you and where
could they find this book?Because it just released, what, a
few days ago?
So the book released January7th and the best way to find me or
the book is to go tojordangrumit.com that's J O R D A
N G R u m et dot com. Thereyou can find links to buy both of

(12:24):
my books, the Purpose Code andTaking Stock, as well as links to
the other ways that I producecontent, including the Earn and Invest
podcast and the Purpose Codesubstack. It is all there@jordan
grummet.com Perfect.
Perfect. And I'll make sure Ihave all of those links in the show
notes per the usual. So if youdidn't catch all of that, check out
those show notes and it'll allbe there. Thank you so much, Doc

(12:44):
G for gracing us with yourpresence once again and dropping
all of these gems. Iappreciate it. We appreciate it.
Thank you for the great conversation.
Bye.
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