May 22, 2025 • 42 mins
⚠️ Explicit content warning: This episode contains adult language and themes that may not be suitable for all listeners.
We are getting as raw as we can get this episode, as we are blessed to be joined by none other than King Guru himself, an incarcerated author with thecellblock.net serving life without parole in California. He is the mind behind titles like "Pretty Girls Love Bad Boys" and "How to Hustle and Win: Sex, Money, Murder".
King Guru is open and honest about everything in this episode, sharing parts of his childhood, his journey to becoming an author, starting from nothing, and all of his relationships in between. Listen in as he gets real about life behind bars, love, masculinity, relationships, and the unfiltered truth of living with a LWOP sentence. He's hilarious, heartfelt, and brutally honest.
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You know, got a lot of power andyou can change your person's
life, but you got to be strong too.
Welcome to More Than an Inmate'sGirlfriend.
I'm your host, Jay. Thank you for joining me today.
Before we get into this week's episode, I just wanna talk to
you guys a little bit. For those of you that are new,
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we've had quite a few more listeners lately, so trying to
give you a little recap about what we do.
My name's Jay, I have a partner in crime named AJ, and we
basically started this podcast to kind of showcase the other
side of incarceration. AJ and I ended up in
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relationships with men that are incarcerated.
My husband, my now husband serving a life sentence for
felony murder. AJ's boyfriend is serving us
lengthy sentence and we just sawso much negativity around these
relationships and we decided that we wanted to do things a
little bit differently, start a podcast where we can start to D
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stigmatize these relationships. But just because we're trying to
D stigmatize them does not mean that they are always easy.
And I'm definitely having a weekthis week and sometimes it feels
very heavy and it feels very hard.
So if you're going through anything like that, let me tell
you, so am I and we are feeling it for sure.
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Anyways, to this episode, I don't want to dampen this
episode so much because this is Kangaroo's episode.
Kangaroo is someone that I don'tknow how we got ahold of him.
I'm not sure how that happened, but he's an author.
He's a incarcerated author and he's been down for like 20 years
total, like over 20 years through all his sentences.
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He actually got a life without parole sentence in California
from a cold case that was cold for like 10 years.
And then they extradited him from another state, brought him
in anyway, whole story. But he's joining us today.
He's written a lot of books and he's hilarious.
He makes me laugh so much and he's genuine and he's real.
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So with that, I need to express,please, please do not listen to
this episode around your children.
The content is explicit. The way that he speaks is
explicit. The man has been incarcerated
for a very long time, and he hasa lot of really interesting
things to say. He's also very down to earth and
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not afraid of expressing himselflike he's just, this is who I
am. And he shares his knowledge.
You know, he'll talk about the way it really is serving life
without parole. But also, this man has built
himself up like he is doing verywell for himself.
King Guru, ask your loved ones that are incarcerated.
Most people will know the name Mike and Amigo and King Guru.
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Mike and Amigo started, you know, a big kind of movement.
He's a big incarcerated author and he brought King Guru along
with him. So they were together from
pretty much the beginning. And he's done really well for
himself, starting with nothing. The man started with nothing and
now he's doing really, really well.
So I think it's really neat fromall different perspectives, but
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I need to reiterate explicit content.
OK? The man swears a lot and I don't
want to take any of it out. The other thing I want to
mention is that the connection is sometimes off.
So we've adjusted the audio as much as we can to capture as
much of the conversation as we can, but understand that the
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audio is not great. And I want to give you that
warning. The audio is not great, but
everything he says is so worth listening to.
That audio, although it was probably one of the hardest
edits we've ever done, AJ and I passed it back and forth quite a
bit. Totally worth every second.
And I was telling her the other day like, yes, it's been so much
work to do this, but at the sametime, I'm so glad that it's his
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episode because he's so funny and so entertaining that it was
a breeze to listen to. I really enjoyed listening to
him and I really respect him a lot as a man and I really
respect his perspective. So I'm really excited to finally
get to share this episode with you.
We've had it quite for quite a while as well.
We're getting through all the episodes that we have recorded a
long time ago. And yeah, that's pretty much it.
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Please continue to follow, shareand like and please AJ would
love it if you followed her on Instagram.
She is working overtime on that Instagram and she is so excited.
Every day she wakes up and there's followers.
So please if you can follow her on Instagram at podcast under
score Prison GF. AJ does all of the social media.
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She is amazing. I don't know what I would do
without her. She also does all the
connections with the guests. So if you have any questions or
anything reach out to us on social media.
AJ will get back to you most likely.
So with that please feel free message us.
Also she opened a TikTok so thatwe can go live together.
So I went live last week with official.
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That was so awesome. I'm so grateful for her that she
even took the time out of her weekend she was travelling to
come to a live with me. And although there was some
technical difficulties because Idon't know how TikTok works, it
turned out really nice and really good.
And I'm super, super grateful for her because oftentimes you
find people with more followers.I don't know how to say it, like
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get bougie, almost like entitled.
I don't know. But yeah, she just, she has a
lot of followers, and she graciously let me join her live
so that we could talk with the episode.
Yeah, we will be doing more lives.
Anyways, that's it. I'm going to leave you alone.
I've spoken enough. Again, do not listen to this
episode with your children. And the audio is not perfect.
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I apologize in advance. Don't forget, we are winding
down. We have another month and a half
left. And then we're going to take the
summer off, get a break, rejuvenate and start back in
September. So yeah, we're going to keep
going. We're going to keep doing this.
And we just appreciate your support so much.
So I will let you go and let yoube and enjoy Mr. King Guru.
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Welcome, King Guru, thank you somuch for joining me today.
I'm so excited to speak to you man.
What's happening? I'm excited to speak to you too.
I'm over here smiling and see this is fun.
Yes, this is going to be. So much fun.
I know who you are, my husband is a huge fan of yours, but for
those that don't know you, can you kind of introduce yourself
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and tell us a little bit about who you are?
All right, OK. My pen name is King Guru.
I'm from Sacramento, CA, so it'slike a playoff, the whole
Sacramento King thing. But yeah, I've been writing
books for about she like about adecade now.
I got a little magazine company.I'm really an entrepreneur, but
people might know me by my book.Oh, and I got a lot of issues
too. If you want to know if you're
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dealing with King Guru, my publisher has always gotten
letters because they'd be like, oh, you're teaching inmates how
to like women, But it's really not like that.
I'll be trying to help people learn to communicate with the
opposite states because we'd be locked up so long.
And you guys don't realize people forget how to talk to
familiar. I've seen dudes freeze up.
They get a little pen pal and it's good.
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They can write letters. Letters are beautiful but put
them on the phone with like a random female people freeze up
so. You're trying to help them.
You're not like I scam us. Yeah.
No, no, no. Nobody's trying to scam.
Nobody. Personally, as far as we talking
about scamming people, I just learned over the years it's
better to just be real. Just come at you and just be
honest. But that leads to other things
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too. You can't always be honest.
I could cover that later. I'm curious, were you always an
entrepreneur like that or did that develop while you were
incarcerated? To me, that's an entrepreneur.
I think from my first pair of Jordans, I think I was with
like, man, maybe 19 years old, it's my mom, the bottle, shit
like that. I used to always just help mom.
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She was a housekeeper, so I would help her do the bills
right down how much she is worth.
So I think they all of that mademe appreciate.
And then when I got as an adult,I was a juvenile delinquent for
my 13th birthday. I asked mom, she said what you
want. I said some weed, I want to sell
some weed. And she went and got me some
shit up. So I've been doing that.
I've been dope like my whole life.
And then even when I was out, I wrote a little something, but it
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never really got punished. And at the beginning of my
locked up, no, I depended on my baby Mamas.
I depending on family asked about the entrepreneurship.
I think it's in me and I respectthe day.
You said that you did write a little bit before you.
Were incarcerated. I was in Tennessee.
I had a little trap out there. I remember going to the library
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and getting the book and then reading actually on the 4th when
I'm selling dope so. You started writing when you
weren't incarcerated, and then what made you start writing
again? All right, real talk.
I did some time in other States and then every time I finished
my time they would extradite me to another state by the time I
was finished. I did about 7 years California
and arrested me on a cold case that happened.
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I think they came and got me like a decade after the fact for
like some years. I've been going for like 9 years
or something like that, right? My first baby mom would show up
at the court. She got my son with me and I
hadn't seen him like the whole time.
So he started visiting me and he's probably about 12 years old
at the time. I could see his little dress, I
could see his little clothing and she and then he started
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asking me about gang related shit and I'm looking at him
like, Oh no, no, no, like I already seen it.
Hold on, you give me a little teary ox.
I love my little *** So he started asking them questions
and I knew I knew I can't stop him.
So my mentality was I'm going togive him the game.
Nicola Machiavelli was a writer.He wrote a book called The
Prince and that shit deep. You read that book, it's like
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game. It's game on a whole level from
like kings and Queens. And like he said, you could take
the majority of the people shit,but you got to leave some of the
people with money. You got to leave them theirs so
they can control to others. And he was just say shit like
that. They don't want to tell you.
I was looking at my son. I'm not going to write him a
book like that. I just wrote it.
And that's my classic. Actually, that book ended up
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being called Sex Money Murder Edition.
Now it's a big journey before itbecame an actual book.
Because when I met Mike, that's my bro TCV man, the cellblock
man. Visit thecellblock.net man,
www.thecellblock.net visiting man.
That's where all our shit is at.But when I met Mike, man, he was
already full. But I somehow like one of my big
homies got me talk with him. And like he said, after that one
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lap, then I'll take all your books going, all of them.
Let me see what you got. But I'm telling you, I'm going
to take them. I'm like, oh, he didn't even
read it. Yeah.
So when he ready written on paper, just notebook paper.
So when he read how to hustle, this is a funny trip off this,
right? When he ready, he's like, I love
it. This shit is raw, but it's too
raw. Everything about it was just
straight criminal aspects, right?
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So he said, man, what do you think about this man?
Commercializing it a little bit.And then he gave me information,
right? And then I went and added more
shit, revised it. He told me don't want to give
them too much St. You don't want to give them too
much Like man, that ended up being my classic.
How does money? Murder Edition is still my #1
seller so. You actually met Mike and Amigo
like in person? I was like in the cell right
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next door to him. The TCB first started.
We was on typewriters, man, and I didn't have shit.
I wasn't begging for shit. I'm just me.
I had just got out the shoot that introduced him and he and
we used to be in the vent together, just typing, just
typing, doing articles, doing stories.
So yeah, we was on one, man. We was on one.
And my husband was wondering about Josh Krueger.
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He said that you guys also know him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Josh, man, I know exactly about
that. Just that time when all he had
was typewriters. You could barely use the phone.
He had no tablets back in. You could get the phone three
times a week, all you letters and a motherfucking typewriter,
man, and Mike was in your network and see, that's what he
do network. I'm a writer that's by Josh
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Cougar and I was like, oh, I think everybody that's locked up
should read this because he gives you games.
He took it to like as poor as you could be and as most
productive as you could be. I just love that book.
I use some of his shit today. Now I be splurging too much.
I used to take his advice, man. I'm just like, I just bought a
Rolex. Like I'm so happy about that.
I just got. You're doing just fine.
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Yeah, no, it's good. That's good.
Now, when I'm telling you I had four suits on my locker, and I
always say it because I rememberMike was like, hey, I just got
stored. He's like, you need something.
And I was like, no, I'm good. And he knew I needed to say, you
know what? I like my pride was too much.
And that's what I'm saying. Like, I will never forget it.
I would never forget it because now I'm in a whole different
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position and I'm helping family members.
I'm doing shit behind the scenesthat motherfuckers have no idea.
And it's because of this. It's because it was far worse.
And none of it came easy. This shit takes a long time.
Like our first loyalty checks and then the most was like 18
dollars $12.00. For a long time the royalties
was low but we stuck it. We stuck it.
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It was like 5 years went by before we started getting real
money. And then we started getting real
money. How did that feel to be able to
tell your son I did this and I did this legit?
Another thing about me writing Igot life without and my kids
were young got five kids. I got five baby Mamas.
They was young and they were spread out across the country,
so I didn't want. The only thing they could say is
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they dad got a license. I wanted them to say something
positive. So that was another thing I
forgot to tell you. Me writing these books was not
even about the money at first. Oh, God, it wasn't.
So I do get to talk to them. And this is a trip, though.
They don't want to talk about this shit, right?
But I'll talk to their mothers or something, right.
You know, something carries thatbook everywhere he goes, he
really brags about you. Yeah.
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They don't tell me, though, you know what I'm saying?
But conversation people have come out where they proud and I
like that because, you know, oneof my baby girl was born while I
was in prison. So her whole life I was gone.
Be good that you could do something positive like that.
And they really like it when they get to asking me some money
and I can give you. OK, so five baby Mamas.
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So tell me, before we get into you writing about women liking
bad boys, what were your relationships like before you
were incarcerated? Damn.
OK. And you know what, man?
I'm an open book man. For real.
I was an asshole. I was the worst man that anybody
could be. I was a womanizer, OK?
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I always feel like it's better for somebody else to tell you
than the person because it just comes out better with somebody
else. But you guys just got to trust
me that this interview is going to be 1000% real.
So I'm going to be honest with you.
I treated them all bad at my ownissues growing up, but I was
always an earner and I was always real.
I was always honest. You know how guys, have you ever
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been in a relationship or anybody out there like you might
have been in a relationship where you know your name is
cheating? Females got that same expenses
called intuition. You guys know when you're being
cheated on, but the *** is goingto tell you no, He's not going
to admit to nothing. And then since you really got
feel this for him, you don't tryto look at it here where you
don't try to do all business. Now you start thinking you're
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crazy. Now he's making you think you
crazy and that's fucked up. And that's something I never
did. But later on that becomes a
problem though, because you wantto be real with the females.
But sometimes guys, they might not.
Well, if they're real or are they honest?
You know what I'm saying? Because I have a problem lying
to people. So I'll be saying stupid ass
shit. And the females they're not
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having it y'all Not having any talking to somebody else, even
if you're locked up. You know what I'm saying prison
wise understand that it's not that just happened to me, but I
was like, no, it's not all aboutsex at all Like if that's just
your goal. Oh yeah, and I'm gonna keep it
gutter man, all you prison linesout there.
Yeah, King guru about to say this man, stop the tracks, turn
everything down and listen, I don't give a fuck.
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Y'all be cheating telling you. And I'm not talking about ***
out there. I'm talking about if this is
what I learned a lot of prison lines this because they're
dating pool. They'll talk to other inmates,
especially these females that beon social media looking for ***
with cell phone. I know so prison housewives,
it's like use that hashtag and I'll be like, damn, when her man
was in the hole, she was talkingto me.
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I know what her bedrooms look like and everything, but it's no
pressure. I don't got no problem, but I'm
just saying like I'm not going to let that that all prison wise
is real. I'm not going to let that
misconception that people don't cheat.
So the reason why I brought thatup right is because, yeah, if
you consider FaceTime sex sex then and me and I had a couple
one nights standing and then youget bored just like on the
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streets. If you really want a female
because females are worth something, then women can move
mountains and they can change a man too.
I just seen dudes real, real grimy, real dirt *** and they
see the female and all of a sudden they going to church and
everything, changing everything trying to get that for real.
But what I'm saying is, I feel like women are worth a lot, but
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you're not going to get a femaleat her potential unless you
could get in her head. So you got to talk, you got to
communicate. You can build an emotional bond
with opinion about conversation.So you were kind of player,
little womanizer. What made you want to start
writing these books? What made you think, oh, I'm
going to write a book about women liking bad boys?
OK, that was Mike's idea. OK, so at the beginning
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everybody basically wrote what they wanted to write.
And another thing is most writers, their first book is
going to be autobiographical nature, but you don't write what
you know. But we was writing urban novels
except for that How to hustle and win sex money murder
edition. That was kind of like a self
help, and that was one of the first ones that TCB put out.
But we was writing urban novels and Mike realized that there's a
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business aspect to all this shit.
Us as writers, we come into the shit as an artist.
He looked at the map and he was like, oh shit, self help books
sell more than the fictional book.
So he had these ideas and he kept like shopping to different
authors and shit. Nobody wanted to do it.
He hollered at me and I was likebet that's where pretty girls
love bad boys and inmates. Raw law, how to sue when your
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rights are violated and they were published at the same time.
I ran with it like he's like OK,this is what it surprised him
when it was Then he wanted me towrite a pen pow book, How to get
pen powers right. But I flipped it.
I didn't just say how to get them, I say how to keep them.
So I put poems in that book. I put pre written letters and I
put some psychological shit in on like how to get at these
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female C OS. So yeah, that's where I had
people contact me before. Several different women have
contacted me on my tablet. It's on my I'm a manipulator and
I'm teaching assistant there. But what you guys don't get is
I'm telling you a lot of guys, man, we first of all, we come
from broken homes, broken families.
Even me for instance, when I wasout, I used to go to the club
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every weekend just to get the pussy.
And it was very easy for me to get what I want.
So then when I got locked up years later, because basically
when you're pushing a certain way on the street, these things,
you don't got to talk, you don'tgot to game her up, you don't
got to do nothing. She's going to give it to you
anyway. So when I got locked up, I
remember specifically it was this yo, that worked in our
building. She always walked by.
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She's like, hey, pretty boy, heypretty boy.
She talked to me on this last week.
Follow me with her. So she wanted to talk to me
something. I couldn't even talk.
I didn't know what to say to her.
I did not know how to have smalltalk with a female, you know,
I'm saying. And I remember I said some
stupid ass it to her and she waslike, yeah, like she was liking
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me. But then I said that's another
thing I learned too. A person could be a woman.
Anybody could be beautiful, handsome as fuck.
They fit all the criteria, but they could open their mouth and
make themselves ugly, make themselves grow, and that's what
I had did. I started realizing the more and
more I was in prison and the interaction with nurses with
females healed like men. They want to talk and then ***
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don't like I could talk to my baby Mama.
I can talk to you if I know you,but as far as me just giving
random So that's another thing like that's how people are.
So that's what them books was about when they get to copying
the letters directly out the book and sending it to females.
I guess you could say that that's manipulating or it could
be a cheat code. I don't know, but yeah, so
that's how I started writing it.But then later I had books with
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a woman called Debbie out of Hawaii.
She's actually a doctor. So she was writing a book in her
research. She seen in my book, and this
lady tracked me down. I'm tomorrow.
In that book. I told people to go to
ryderprisoner.com. Me and her.
I got to arguing later. So me and Debbie over there
arguing like that day, we was going back and forth on the jpg
time, back and forth, back and forth.
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And at the time. I really didn't have no female.
I hadn't had no female in a lot of years, so I wasn't used to
texting with a woman like back-to-back to back, but I
didn't give a fuck. But I was arguing with her and
then something hit me because I'm the type of person then I
see things from three different point of views.
I try my hardest whenever a situation present itself to me,
I'm going to try to look at it from my point of view, from the
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female's point of view, the dude's point of view, and then a
whole nother view. So when she was arguing with me,
I'm like, man, I said man, you and me could do a blog.
You know, this was a while back.I was talking blogs and shit,
right? I was like, you need to do a
blog. You're saying a whole lot of
shit on that side. I'm saying a whole lot.
And bam, I'm someone. Within a month we had a little
website. But I got to be real with you,
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man, OK, I've been down like 20 years and the woman I had when I
first failed, she ended up leaving me after like 2 1/2
years. So a lot of that time was done
with no females, no nothing. I mean it was a little shit with
like I said those CEO's and nurses and shit.
So it had was theory and shit sounds good.
I say that shit theory because when I was writing the books
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with Debbie, I see relationships, especially
between prisoners, people on thestreet.
I'm more like in depth in that shit now and.
Do you still talk to? Her.
Do I still talk together? You know what that like is
crazy, man. You know what I mean?
I don't know if I should. I said I was gonna be real.
You don't want to tell me now? No, I can't because but The
thing is, I don't like talking bad and I'm about to talk bad
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about this lady, right? And I don't like talking bad.
OK, we'll leave it. You know what I'm saying?
I mean, all I know is that she tapped in recently.
This is another thing man. Oh my God it hurt.
I could go. That was so toxic.
But it's funny because she was tapped in.
I forgot to tell y'all that whenshe tapped in with all that
arguing shit it was COVID. She's like a teacher.
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Like she teaches university so she was having to do a lot of
group calls for her teaching or whatever.
She wasn't even teaching really.She was like running some shit
high in the education departmentout there.
So when COVID ended, all of a sudden she moves to LA and now
the argument starts and I'm someone she arguing because I
fell asleep and I didn't call ata certain time she's saying I'm
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cheating, which I was, but it was because she argue and all
kind of shit, right? But yeah, I'm not saying that
she was like, but I'm saying that she was starting a bunch of
fake ass fight and I kept telling her he's starting this
shit for nothing. Like what's wrong with you?
So we ended up breaking up. And it's funny because we ended
up talking a couple years later.And I told her, like, you know,
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just be real with me, man. I always felt like you were
starting shit. And she finally was on it.
And I kind of hate her for what she did.
But because she just got me for some bread, like last year,
that's why I was like, debating what I should talk about it now.
But she, yes, she stole some money from me.
But hella, females do that. If I wanted to tell you the
thousands of dollars that I lostbecause females, you meet
somebody that's really, really, really not going to play with
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your money. But yeah, Gabby, man, Yeah, I
wrote some books for her. And basically she admitted to me
that it was the end of COVID andher love language is touch.
So she ended up meeting somebodyand she just wanted to do that.
So whatever. So basically she was gaslighting
it because she met somebody out there, which is fucked up.
You know, I'm just assuming thatI'm not the only person that's
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ever happened to. And that's just fucked up.
Like if you really care about a dude, and this is my advice to
the same females or fucking *** in prison or anybody, man, if
you really love that person, man, don't ever admit you
cheated on. Everybody's human and everybody
has a little sausage. Some people don't want some.
Like trust me, I know prison wise, I have my own pocket.
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I interviewed with Bushes. So I learned these stereotypes
that people think ain't really real.
But I know that a lot of them have issues that you've been in
domestic violence issues or you might have a little girl and
you're not, we can miss and you don't want her to be around
another man. So many different issues drive
females to seek relationships with her and I get that, but
cheap. Do not tell your man.
Do not. I'm talking about go to the
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death with that. You know what I'm saying?
Please go to death with that because I'll tell a female man.
I got this license. I don't even care if you have
sex or something like don't let that come into between.
And I remember I told you the game that I had was all
theoretical. So I used to argue with *** in
here. I'm not being a kitchen and I
used to like man and I'm like, man, I got a life sentence.
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If you're a lifer, and there's afew lifers because I always stay
on these level fours, I ain't been off at level 4.
You got a lot of time when you're on this level.
So I remember arguing with people like that.
I don't think that's cheating. If you got a life sentence and
your girl has sex. Not one person agreed with me,
Not one person. And then me, I remember this one
thing. I kept telling her, I don't care
if you have to. I don't care if you have to.
I used to FaceTime with her every morning around 5:00 in the
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morning. I would wake her up, she'd get
up, do her makeup, smoke some weed, whatever, Get ready for
her day. Well, one day I called her right
OK, I had just paid to get her eyebrows done, but she was
feeling herself right. She went to the bar at night and
she didn't even call me back later on.
Anyways, the next morning I end up calling her five O clock in
the morning. She's like walking, she's
outside. So I'm like, damn, you already
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outside, what you doing? And she's like, Oh no, I'm just
getting home and I'm like what? She's like, yeah man, I met my
ex. My ex was at the bar and I end
up going back to his house and sleeping with him and I'm like
damn, OK, and I try to joke withher with brush your teeth bitch
before you talk to me. See when you brush your teeth
before right, but that's just how I play the same time at the
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same time that she disgusted me,of course that she destroyed the
relationship. She said telling me like you
said it was OK. I did say it was OK.
I did it was cool, but it's likeI don't want do not and you
don't understand how much leewayyou got out there.
I'm not saying take advantage. I won't buy do sales shit.
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I won't be looking at *** sale, but when you chopping January
*** whatever *** wake up and kiss them pictures.
We love y'all, yeah. My husband has always said he
wants to know if I do. It took me a really long time to
get his trust. Yeah.
You dated someone when you firstwent in to prison for 2 1/2
years and then you said there was a long stint that you were
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single. Why were you single?
Like me or something. So like the first six years I
was periodically kept me in a back pocket.
I'm still alone. But I'm just saying when these
female Cos or nurses or something like that, they
working overtime, they spend a lot of time here.
So sometimes if you get a job and you're working closely with
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them, we'll be spending more time with that person that they
spend with their husband. So there was little situations
where, but even that's not healthy because a lot of us,
we're not in our right mind in here.
Just imagine somebody like me, Ihaven't locked up a long time,
no cell phone. I was out of touch.
I called the family, but it was times that I didn't even ask for
the phone because I got so interested in just living in
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prison. And it was like, when am I going
to even talk to them about? I don't even have nothing to
talk about somebody on the street.
I wouldn't even call homies and *** are getting mad.
I wouldn't even check in with homies.
But anyway, it's starting females.
Y'all the nurses. And so they'll come and they'll
flirt with you and they do that shift to several different
reasons. One lady she worked in the
kitchen when she do is she'll find an alpha male in the
kitchen and flirt with him. She'll flirt with him where
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nobody can see. She'll call you like she when
you're going to office, she got her legs wide open, she'll
probably rub up against you, something like that, but she's
only doing it to control you because you're the alpha so you
can control everybody else. I was in love with that Lady.
I'm coming out in love like I'm talking about.
Actually, that's all I would talk about *** styles crazy
because here's another thing. She's so small that nobody else
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going to see what she's doing. She's never going to slip.
Can't even say that you talking to her because nobody going to
believe you because the way she is.
But anyway, after I met Debbie and at that time I started
through the females and shit, man, I seen her and I looked at
her and I was like that bitch ugly motherfucking man.
And it's just a trip because before I started socializing
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different females, I had them like for so long that I didn't
even she was the most beautiful woman in the world.
Then when I started seeing otherpeople, I was like man, this
bitch man manipulating. But anyways, my point is,
there's a lot of people in here like that we don't have.
I haven't got no visit in like 10 years.
Did you ever? Meet Debbie.
We did the little computer business during COVID, so I know
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what she looked like. Yeah.
Well, shit. When I first failed California,
the lifers wasn't allowed to getconjugated.
And then recently they gave the L watch conjugated.
I can get conjugated, but then Ican't.
Like I just got conjugated for five years.
Yeah, you're going to lose your conjugated and I stay with it
because I run cooking. Like I got my KG magazine, KG
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Enterprise. I created my magazine from
scratch, so plus I'll be doing my curriculum, so I gotta check
the money and my kids. I like to sleep on the phone
with a female, put you on FaceTime and just for sleep.
That's my intimacy. I can get motherfucking face to
face visits. You can hug and kiss.
I can never keep a relationship for them.
I can never. For some reason, every
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relationship, I get it. I'm just going to be a horrible
boyfriend or something Like I'm just going to be real and I
don't even be caring. I don't think I can love.
You haven't had an in person visit in 10 years?
Well, my sister showed up. My sister showed up out the blue
like 10 years ago. Yeah, she came in my family.
You got to think, man, I got extradited back out here.
So a lot of my family over the years have moved.
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But I recently, this girl named Sugar B and she came up here and
oh, my God, I got dressed. She drove 3 1/2 hours and told
her I wasn't allowed to give in,Call her again.
I said, man, that's a lie. But she didn't know me like
that. We had just met like about two
months earlier. And then here's what happened
when I had got off the shoe. When you're in the shoe, you
can't get face to face contacted.
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So when I got the shoe, my last series shoe was literally about
10 years ago. They never fixed it in the
computer that I got my business back.
I don't even know how they let my sister in because I kept
telling my sister can't see me. There was no so it was a mistake
that they fixed that day. OK, so I was talking to sugar
Bee right? Right after I was like going
through a rough ass breakup. America, my girl America like
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lover, but we got to fuck the breakup.
So I started talking Sugar Bee, a little Hispanic woman out of
Southern California. And then while I'm talking to
Sugar Bee Man, one of my baby Mamas, Captain, that I hadn't
talked to 10 years, I hadn't talked to her.
But that didn't work. Like we chilled for a couple
months, probably about 6-7 months.
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And yeah, that didn't work. So the sugar bee never came and
I. Actually, I just talked to Sugar
Bee last night, right? No, she never came back because
I was trying to work it out withmy it's like fucked up because
it's almost like my baby Mama came.
Like I had some shit going on tomorrow.
She would be that just they turned away.
They made a mistake, but still on the team.
But then my baby Mama came and me being hella honest, I'm
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telling her like look, man, can't be with you to figure out
what's going on with me in America.
So when me in America finally broke up.
So then when she popped in, I'm like, Oh my God, because I had
shit going on with sugar beat. But I mean.
Have you ever been on a pen pal site yourself?
Yeah I have been on pen pal sites but that shit don't work.
Not for me. Why not?
Y'all need to check out my social media king guru book with
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the under score right? You can see what I look like.
I don't think I'm an ugly MIDI you know what I'm saying?
I think I look good, but they don't work.
For you, but don't recommend them in your books.
What do you mean recommend? Yeah, isn't it in your books?
Now let me tell you something about recommend.
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Yes, they're definitely in my books and they work for people.
They definitely work for people,even though them books was
written a while back and now I would say more like do the
prison groups on Facebook and shit like that, right.
But what I'm saying is I do recommend them because I've seen
people find love. I've seen people find anything
that they want on ryderprisoner.com.
I've seen people get 2030 letters and they got to do it,
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like at work. You know what I'm saying?
You got to have a file on every single person.
But yeah, they work. They work, just not for.
You, but you know when I chalkedit up as my intention wasn't
right so I don't think the universe was letting me catch
something 100%. I'm glad you caught that like.
I believe that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm definitely a believer in theuniverse, in karmas.
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That's why I try to be honest. You go in there trying to get
over somebody. I.
Mean now you're honest. Yeah, just said you had bad
intention. Yeah, back then.
OK, if we're going to talk aboutthe subject of anybody trying to
get over trying to get money, you guys got to understand that
if you've never been in strugglemode, if you've never been in
the most horrible conditions where you have, you don't know
where your next meal going to come from.
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You don't have nobody like we'rein here.
Sometimes you don't talk on the phone because you don't have
nobody call. You don't get no letters because
ain't nobody writing. You can't go to stores and
nobody sending you no money likethat.
Put somebody in survival so theywill do things that wouldn't do
otherwise. And that's why you got dudes in
here writing like homosexuals and shit, acting like they're
gay even though they're not gay because they're going for the
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money. But if they had a bag they sell,
they would never do no shit likethat.
I say that to like, if you meet somebody like that, you got to
give them the benefit of the doubt.
You know what I'm saying? Not you don't have to give them
your bag, but you're going to have to give them the benefit of
the doubt. Because I'm telling you, I'm so
much different right now. I used to be one of them, like
really depending on somebody to put food on my table.
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And now my kids are calling me when they need rent money.
You've touched on it a little bit already on dating someone
who's got life without parole ora really lengthy sentence.
But what would you tell a woman who is dating someone like me?
I'm married to someone who's gota life sentence.
What would you tell a woman who is dating someone with a lengthy
sentence? Should they do it?
Man, you can't tell your heart you went to love and when not to
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love. That's something I know I could
give you all type of little smart answers for that and all
that, but in all actuality you can love anybody and you don't
always got to love them in person, you know what I'm
saying? So if you got somebody, some of
the life is here, man, we'd be the realest *** in on earth.
We'd be intelligent and sometimes your back is against
the wall, man. If you give a person a chance
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and you could change their life.Females got a lot of power.
You could change a person's life, but you got to be strong,
too. There's so many aspects to this,
man. Like you asked me, I'll probably
give you an answer, but what I'msaying is I would say yeah, man.
Lifers, man, we going through it.
This shit's fucked up. You know how much I cry and
don't nobody know? I cried.
I mentioned a couple things and I teared up.
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People don't see that. Like we're in pain.
This shit hurts. This shit hurts when your
daughter might be getting abusedby somebody you can't help her
or your baby Mama can't even payher rent so she got to be with a
dude that's treating her badges so she can have a roof over your
kids head. Or somebody taking advantage of
your mother because she's elderly and you can't go defend
her. Or people taking advantage of
you stealing money. You can't do that because your
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hands are like we go through it and that's only what I'm saying
out there. You guys don't even see what the
fuck is going on in here man. I'm out of prison with a level
4180 is be riots. You'd be stabbing.
It's like you right now. I almost got up with a *** just
to go get my package. This shit ain't cool.
So like, if you can love somebody, you could be the most
realist in the world, man. Give yourself to a man that
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ain't got nobody, man. I tip my salute all women.
That's really doing it. So yes, if you have somebody
that's doing like, give me a chance and put it like this too.
In the real world, what's guaranteed that you're going to
be with your current boyfriend forever?
There's no guarantee. You might meet somebody, only be
with him three months. You might might be with him
5/10/15 years and it'd be over. You live a little.
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Because I'm telling you, you geta sincere 1.
Like you get somebody, you go see that person.
You're going to be the only person that person sees.
When that person wakes up, he's going to be thinking about you.
When he's talking to *** he's quoting shit.
You don't say it. So yeah, man, you know what I'm
saying? We put this ones in the system.
And I think the other thing thatyou touched on that's important
is that a lot of people think just because you're holding them
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down and you're sending the money, that they're using you.
But there's a lot of times whereit's just necessity and it
doesn't mean that they don't love you or it's not genuine.
Okay, this is what I say about that, right?
First of all, fuck with everybody else talking about
because it's so easy. Oh, I should have would have
could if it was me, I would havedid this or I wouldn't do that
or you just getting taken advantage of.
Not what I would recommend, right?
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No, there's not people that's all taking advantage of y'all.
No, no, no, no, no, it's not as much as you think.
It's like these people when theyfeed us this food.
We just want to lock down, man. These dudes lost weight because
they're doing the state food. Just state food is not going to
feel a grown man up. You're going to be hungry and
then hustling in prison. You can get your shit.
I mean man, you asked me about her saying shit.
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I get it. But not everybody like me and
it's hard to get paid by *** So that opens up problems.
All I can recommend when it comes to the financial aspect of
it, understand that we can't do for ourselves.
Don't think because you see one or two of us or maybe a few of
us got cell phones and shit. Don't think that that just means
we all doing it like that. It's just like the real world.
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Some people rich, some people poor.
Come up with a budget, come up with like listen, I'm willing to
give you this every month if I do this and I can get you a
package quarterly. But if we're cutting to our
business, so if I'm going to come visit you, I can only spend
this on this month, make a budget and stick by it.
And now I'm giving y'all a game and I don't give a fuck.
That's what I do. Most of us get to talk about
sending cash out here, sitting here saying no, I'll put money
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on your books and I'll buy you packages.
But all that other shit, I'm telling you, it's just going to
your local drug dealer. Me and AJ are good spots, like
both of our significant others don't ever ask for money.
They didn't need money. But it's hard for us because we
want to say it does exist and you're allowed to give money and
it's OK to put the people in their book.
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So I get what you're saying. It is really real and people get
judged all the time because of that.
We're. Struggling.
I want to know if you're still working on books.
Are you still writing except foryour magazine?
Most definitely, yeah. I mean, I get magazines.
I got like 13 issues. If you go to madcloud.com and
put in KG magazine, you'll see my magazines for prisoners and
shit. But the books dropped like 7
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books last year in 20247 King Guru books came out.
Yeah, I did a lot of work last year and I got burnt out so I
took a little break. Just be chilling and shit.
But right now I've been working on.
I got all the books out the way man.
I got, let me see, just last year I had Ecological Seductions
book 1 and 2 come out. I had Guns and Roses books one
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and two and Come out the Mob Father that came out, Life and
Times of Matt came out. And is that seven?
I think that's seven right now. I got this Misty Hustle, but
it's based on Misty Hustle's life.
Like I got all the facts. I did have the research, but I
did it. I wrote it as an early novel.
So I added it's almost like historical fiction.
But yeah, I've been working on that and some other shit that's
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I might be writing up under a different name soon.
So like, yeah, I've been working.
What's your favorite book that you've written?
That I wrote, yeah. See, my favorite book was, I
would say The Devils and Demons,which was originally Underworld,
Zilla. I think those were the funnest
ones because those were my urbannovels and I based all these
stories on real life shit. So young books, yeah, that's
what got me my respect down there.
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Oh, did I? And if someone's loved one
that's incarcerated wants to start writing and publishing,
what's your biggest piece of advice?
Read books on how to write books.
This is one of my biggest things.
Do not think that you could justsit down and write a book.
Everybody says, oh I can do that.
I can do that. I can do that man.
Go get you some books that teachyou.
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I have a book called How to Write Urban Novels for Money and
Fame. Get that book please, because
there's a craft, right? There's a science to it, There's
a math to it. Like you got everything.
The 1st 30 page. I got to give you my character,
my setting, my time. I'm going to give you all of
that. I'm going to put you in the
passenger seat and you're going to know the main character, but
I'm also going to give you whatever he's striving for.
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I know all of that. And then you got to build
characters and you never want toleave your characters in a blank
room. I write all 5 sentences.
When you reading, you going to hear something?
You going to smell? You going to taste?
Food that she's eating and you're going to hear the
whispers behind your back. You feel me?
There's certain things I just read books on how to write
books. That is awesome.
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I love that advice, Mr. King Guru.
I don't think I've laughed so much in an interview before.
I think there's going to be a lot of ladies listening and
they're going to want to know ifyou're single, where you at?
I'm single but now cool. I do not want.
Now I'm gonna let the universe find me one.
OK EB, how did they find you andyour books?
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All right, all my books is like on Barnes and Nobles or
Amazon.com. Then you could also go to
thecellblock.net, thecellblock.net,
thecellblock.net. You're going to have the online
magazine on there. There's blogs, there's all the
cell blocks books. Anything a prisoner can want,
it's going to be. If you go to thecellblock.net,
you can go to magcloudmagcloud.com and put in
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KG magazine for my magazine. Yeah, like a little tick with
some nice little funny little skits I did in the kitchen where
people was caged under score minds on TikTok.
He got like 300,000 views or something.
And then my boss, not the CEO, but the freestyle, she came in
and she waited to his aunt and she was like what the hell was
y'all doing? Like somebody told me that my
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crew was on TikTok and when I seen it she's like, I didn't.
That's what made it words. I didn't even see y'all.
Somebody else did and then. So yeah, so they all know we'd
be doing. You got in trouble.
Yeah, I mean she she laughed. Is it hard to get a cell phone?
I mean, shit, they're expensive and you got to be in like 3035
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hundred and then on Instagram I'm king under score, Google
under score book, king Google book and I'm just here, man,
That's it. I'm sure there will be a Part 2
if you're willing in a couple months to talk to us again.
You've got some great insights and I appreciate that.
Thank you. Thank you, man.
I love being part of all of this.
I don't know. Let's keep doing it, man.
Let's have fun, man. Here. 100% I think AJ, when she
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hears this interview, she's going to want to interview you
next, so. I will.
I'm here. I'm in the building.
OK, thank you, Kangaroo. Take care.
Alright, OK, you too.
You know, got a lot of power andyou can change your person's
life, but you got to be strong too.
Welcome to More Than an Inmate'sGirlfriend.
I'm your host, Jay. Thank you for joining me today.
Before we get into this week's episode, I just wanna talk to
you guys a little bit. For those of you that are new,
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we've had quite a few more listeners lately, so trying to
give you a little recap about what we do.
My name's Jay, I have a partner in crime named AJ, and we
basically started this podcast to kind of showcase the other
side of incarceration. AJ and I ended up in
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relationships with men that are incarcerated.
My husband, my now husband serving a life sentence for
felony murder. AJ's boyfriend is serving us
lengthy sentence and we just sawso much negativity around these
relationships and we decided that we wanted to do things a
little bit differently, start a podcast where we can start to D
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stigmatize these relationships. But just because we're trying to
D stigmatize them does not mean that they are always easy.
And I'm definitely having a weekthis week and sometimes it feels
very heavy and it feels very hard.
So if you're going through anything like that, let me tell
you, so am I and we are feeling it for sure.
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Anyways, to this episode, I don't want to dampen this
episode so much because this is Kangaroo's episode.
Kangaroo is someone that I don'tknow how we got ahold of him.
I'm not sure how that happened, but he's an author.
He's a incarcerated author and he's been down for like 20 years
total, like over 20 years through all his sentences.
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He actually got a life without parole sentence in California
from a cold case that was cold for like 10 years.
And then they extradited him from another state, brought him
in anyway, whole story. But he's joining us today.
He's written a lot of books and he's hilarious.
He makes me laugh so much and he's genuine and he's real.
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So with that, I need to express,please, please do not listen to
this episode around your children.
The content is explicit. The way that he speaks is
explicit. The man has been incarcerated
for a very long time, and he hasa lot of really interesting
things to say. He's also very down to earth and
(02:31):
not afraid of expressing himselflike he's just, this is who I
am. And he shares his knowledge.
You know, he'll talk about the way it really is serving life
without parole. But also, this man has built
himself up like he is doing verywell for himself.
King Guru, ask your loved ones that are incarcerated.
Most people will know the name Mike and Amigo and King Guru.
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Mike and Amigo started, you know, a big kind of movement.
He's a big incarcerated author and he brought King Guru along
with him. So they were together from
pretty much the beginning. And he's done really well for
himself, starting with nothing. The man started with nothing and
now he's doing really, really well.
So I think it's really neat fromall different perspectives, but
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I need to reiterate explicit content.
OK? The man swears a lot and I don't
want to take any of it out. The other thing I want to
mention is that the connection is sometimes off.
So we've adjusted the audio as much as we can to capture as
much of the conversation as we can, but understand that the
(03:33):
audio is not great. And I want to give you that
warning. The audio is not great, but
everything he says is so worth listening to.
That audio, although it was probably one of the hardest
edits we've ever done, AJ and I passed it back and forth quite a
bit. Totally worth every second.
And I was telling her the other day like, yes, it's been so much
work to do this, but at the sametime, I'm so glad that it's his
(03:53):
episode because he's so funny and so entertaining that it was
a breeze to listen to. I really enjoyed listening to
him and I really respect him a lot as a man and I really
respect his perspective. So I'm really excited to finally
get to share this episode with you.
We've had it quite for quite a while as well.
We're getting through all the episodes that we have recorded a
long time ago. And yeah, that's pretty much it.
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Please continue to follow, shareand like and please AJ would
love it if you followed her on Instagram.
She is working overtime on that Instagram and she is so excited.
Every day she wakes up and there's followers.
So please if you can follow her on Instagram at podcast under
score Prison GF. AJ does all of the social media.
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She is amazing. I don't know what I would do
without her. She also does all the
connections with the guests. So if you have any questions or
anything reach out to us on social media.
AJ will get back to you most likely.
So with that please feel free message us.
Also she opened a TikTok so thatwe can go live together.
So I went live last week with official.
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That was so awesome. I'm so grateful for her that she
even took the time out of her weekend she was travelling to
come to a live with me. And although there was some
technical difficulties because Idon't know how TikTok works, it
turned out really nice and really good.
And I'm super, super grateful for her because oftentimes you
find people with more followers.I don't know how to say it, like
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get bougie, almost like entitled.
I don't know. But yeah, she just, she has a
lot of followers, and she graciously let me join her live
so that we could talk with the episode.
Yeah, we will be doing more lives.
Anyways, that's it. I'm going to leave you alone.
I've spoken enough. Again, do not listen to this
episode with your children. And the audio is not perfect.
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I apologize in advance. Don't forget, we are winding
down. We have another month and a half
left. And then we're going to take the
summer off, get a break, rejuvenate and start back in
September. So yeah, we're going to keep
going. We're going to keep doing this.
And we just appreciate your support so much.
So I will let you go and let yoube and enjoy Mr. King Guru.
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Welcome, King Guru, thank you somuch for joining me today.
I'm so excited to speak to you man.
What's happening? I'm excited to speak to you too.
I'm over here smiling and see this is fun.
Yes, this is going to be. So much fun.
I know who you are, my husband is a huge fan of yours, but for
those that don't know you, can you kind of introduce yourself
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and tell us a little bit about who you are?
All right, OK. My pen name is King Guru.
I'm from Sacramento, CA, so it'slike a playoff, the whole
Sacramento King thing. But yeah, I've been writing
books for about she like about adecade now.
I got a little magazine company.I'm really an entrepreneur, but
people might know me by my book.Oh, and I got a lot of issues
too. If you want to know if you're
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dealing with King Guru, my publisher has always gotten
letters because they'd be like, oh, you're teaching inmates how
to like women, But it's really not like that.
I'll be trying to help people learn to communicate with the
opposite states because we'd be locked up so long.
And you guys don't realize people forget how to talk to
familiar. I've seen dudes freeze up.
They get a little pen pal and it's good.
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They can write letters. Letters are beautiful but put
them on the phone with like a random female people freeze up
so. You're trying to help them.
You're not like I scam us. Yeah.
No, no, no. Nobody's trying to scam.
Nobody. Personally, as far as we talking
about scamming people, I just learned over the years it's
better to just be real. Just come at you and just be
honest. But that leads to other things
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too. You can't always be honest.
I could cover that later. I'm curious, were you always an
entrepreneur like that or did that develop while you were
incarcerated? To me, that's an entrepreneur.
I think from my first pair of Jordans, I think I was with
like, man, maybe 19 years old, it's my mom, the bottle, shit
like that. I used to always just help mom.
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She was a housekeeper, so I would help her do the bills
right down how much she is worth.
So I think they all of that mademe appreciate.
And then when I got as an adult,I was a juvenile delinquent for
my 13th birthday. I asked mom, she said what you
want. I said some weed, I want to sell
some weed. And she went and got me some
shit up. So I've been doing that.
I've been dope like my whole life.
And then even when I was out, I wrote a little something, but it
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never really got punished. And at the beginning of my
locked up, no, I depended on my baby Mamas.
I depending on family asked about the entrepreneurship.
I think it's in me and I respectthe day.
You said that you did write a little bit before you.
Were incarcerated. I was in Tennessee.
I had a little trap out there. I remember going to the library
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and getting the book and then reading actually on the 4th when
I'm selling dope so. You started writing when you
weren't incarcerated, and then what made you start writing
again? All right, real talk.
I did some time in other States and then every time I finished
my time they would extradite me to another state by the time I
was finished. I did about 7 years California
and arrested me on a cold case that happened.
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I think they came and got me like a decade after the fact for
like some years. I've been going for like 9 years
or something like that, right? My first baby mom would show up
at the court. She got my son with me and I
hadn't seen him like the whole time.
So he started visiting me and he's probably about 12 years old
at the time. I could see his little dress, I
could see his little clothing and she and then he started
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asking me about gang related shit and I'm looking at him
like, Oh no, no, no, like I already seen it.
Hold on, you give me a little teary ox.
I love my little *** So he started asking them questions
and I knew I knew I can't stop him.
So my mentality was I'm going togive him the game.
Nicola Machiavelli was a writer.He wrote a book called The
Prince and that shit deep. You read that book, it's like
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game. It's game on a whole level from
like kings and Queens. And like he said, you could take
the majority of the people shit,but you got to leave some of the
people with money. You got to leave them theirs so
they can control to others. And he was just say shit like
that. They don't want to tell you.
I was looking at my son. I'm not going to write him a
book like that. I just wrote it.
And that's my classic. Actually, that book ended up
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being called Sex Money Murder Edition.
Now it's a big journey before itbecame an actual book.
Because when I met Mike, that's my bro TCV man, the cellblock
man. Visit thecellblock.net man,
www.thecellblock.net visiting man.
That's where all our shit is at.But when I met Mike, man, he was
already full. But I somehow like one of my big
homies got me talk with him. And like he said, after that one
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lap, then I'll take all your books going, all of them.
Let me see what you got. But I'm telling you, I'm going
to take them. I'm like, oh, he didn't even
read it. Yeah.
So when he ready written on paper, just notebook paper.
So when he read how to hustle, this is a funny trip off this,
right? When he ready, he's like, I love
it. This shit is raw, but it's too
raw. Everything about it was just
straight criminal aspects, right?
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So he said, man, what do you think about this man?
Commercializing it a little bit.And then he gave me information,
right? And then I went and added more
shit, revised it. He told me don't want to give
them too much St. You don't want to give them too
much Like man, that ended up being my classic.
How does money? Murder Edition is still my #1
seller so. You actually met Mike and Amigo
like in person? I was like in the cell right
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next door to him. The TCB first started.
We was on typewriters, man, and I didn't have shit.
I wasn't begging for shit. I'm just me.
I had just got out the shoot that introduced him and he and
we used to be in the vent together, just typing, just
typing, doing articles, doing stories.
So yeah, we was on one, man. We was on one.
And my husband was wondering about Josh Krueger.
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He said that you guys also know him.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Josh, man, I know exactly about
that. Just that time when all he had
was typewriters. You could barely use the phone.
He had no tablets back in. You could get the phone three
times a week, all you letters and a motherfucking typewriter,
man, and Mike was in your network and see, that's what he
do network. I'm a writer that's by Josh
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Cougar and I was like, oh, I think everybody that's locked up
should read this because he gives you games.
He took it to like as poor as you could be and as most
productive as you could be. I just love that book.
I use some of his shit today. Now I be splurging too much.
I used to take his advice, man. I'm just like, I just bought a
Rolex. Like I'm so happy about that.
I just got. You're doing just fine.
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Yeah, no, it's good. That's good.
Now, when I'm telling you I had four suits on my locker, and I
always say it because I rememberMike was like, hey, I just got
stored. He's like, you need something.
And I was like, no, I'm good. And he knew I needed to say, you
know what? I like my pride was too much.
And that's what I'm saying. Like, I will never forget it.
I would never forget it because now I'm in a whole different
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position and I'm helping family members.
I'm doing shit behind the scenesthat motherfuckers have no idea.
And it's because of this. It's because it was far worse.
And none of it came easy. This shit takes a long time.
Like our first loyalty checks and then the most was like 18
dollars $12.00. For a long time the royalties
was low but we stuck it. We stuck it.
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It was like 5 years went by before we started getting real
money. And then we started getting real
money. How did that feel to be able to
tell your son I did this and I did this legit?
Another thing about me writing Igot life without and my kids
were young got five kids. I got five baby Mamas.
They was young and they were spread out across the country,
so I didn't want. The only thing they could say is
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they dad got a license. I wanted them to say something
positive. So that was another thing I
forgot to tell you. Me writing these books was not
even about the money at first. Oh, God, it wasn't.
So I do get to talk to them. And this is a trip, though.
They don't want to talk about this shit, right?
But I'll talk to their mothers or something, right.
You know, something carries thatbook everywhere he goes, he
really brags about you. Yeah.
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They don't tell me, though, you know what I'm saying?
But conversation people have come out where they proud and I
like that because, you know, oneof my baby girl was born while I
was in prison. So her whole life I was gone.
Be good that you could do something positive like that.
And they really like it when they get to asking me some money
and I can give you. OK, so five baby Mamas.
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So tell me, before we get into you writing about women liking
bad boys, what were your relationships like before you
were incarcerated? Damn.
OK. And you know what, man?
I'm an open book man. For real.
I was an asshole. I was the worst man that anybody
could be. I was a womanizer, OK?
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I always feel like it's better for somebody else to tell you
than the person because it just comes out better with somebody
else. But you guys just got to trust
me that this interview is going to be 1000% real.
So I'm going to be honest with you.
I treated them all bad at my ownissues growing up, but I was
always an earner and I was always real.
I was always honest. You know how guys, have you ever
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been in a relationship or anybody out there like you might
have been in a relationship where you know your name is
cheating? Females got that same expenses
called intuition. You guys know when you're being
cheated on, but the *** is goingto tell you no, He's not going
to admit to nothing. And then since you really got
feel this for him, you don't tryto look at it here where you
don't try to do all business. Now you start thinking you're
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crazy. Now he's making you think you
crazy and that's fucked up. And that's something I never
did. But later on that becomes a
problem though, because you wantto be real with the females.
But sometimes guys, they might not.
Well, if they're real or are they honest?
You know what I'm saying? Because I have a problem lying
to people. So I'll be saying stupid ass
shit. And the females they're not
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having it y'all Not having any talking to somebody else, even
if you're locked up. You know what I'm saying prison
wise understand that it's not that just happened to me, but I
was like, no, it's not all aboutsex at all Like if that's just
your goal. Oh yeah, and I'm gonna keep it
gutter man, all you prison linesout there.
Yeah, King guru about to say this man, stop the tracks, turn
everything down and listen, I don't give a fuck.
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Y'all be cheating telling you. And I'm not talking about ***
out there. I'm talking about if this is
what I learned a lot of prison lines this because they're
dating pool. They'll talk to other inmates,
especially these females that beon social media looking for ***
with cell phone. I know so prison housewives,
it's like use that hashtag and I'll be like, damn, when her man
was in the hole, she was talkingto me.
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I know what her bedrooms look like and everything, but it's no
pressure. I don't got no problem, but I'm
just saying like I'm not going to let that that all prison wise
is real. I'm not going to let that
misconception that people don't cheat.
So the reason why I brought thatup right is because, yeah, if
you consider FaceTime sex sex then and me and I had a couple
one nights standing and then youget bored just like on the
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streets. If you really want a female
because females are worth something, then women can move
mountains and they can change a man too.
I just seen dudes real, real grimy, real dirt *** and they
see the female and all of a sudden they going to church and
everything, changing everything trying to get that for real.
But what I'm saying is, I feel like women are worth a lot, but
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you're not going to get a femaleat her potential unless you
could get in her head. So you got to talk, you got to
communicate. You can build an emotional bond
with opinion about conversation.So you were kind of player,
little womanizer. What made you want to start
writing these books? What made you think, oh, I'm
going to write a book about women liking bad boys?
OK, that was Mike's idea. OK, so at the beginning
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everybody basically wrote what they wanted to write.
And another thing is most writers, their first book is
going to be autobiographical nature, but you don't write what
you know. But we was writing urban novels
except for that How to hustle and win sex money murder
edition. That was kind of like a self
help, and that was one of the first ones that TCB put out.
But we was writing urban novels and Mike realized that there's a
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business aspect to all this shit.
Us as writers, we come into the shit as an artist.
He looked at the map and he was like, oh shit, self help books
sell more than the fictional book.
So he had these ideas and he kept like shopping to different
authors and shit. Nobody wanted to do it.
He hollered at me and I was likebet that's where pretty girls
love bad boys and inmates. Raw law, how to sue when your
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rights are violated and they were published at the same time.
I ran with it like he's like OK,this is what it surprised him
when it was Then he wanted me towrite a pen pow book, How to get
pen powers right. But I flipped it.
I didn't just say how to get them, I say how to keep them.
So I put poems in that book. I put pre written letters and I
put some psychological shit in on like how to get at these
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female C OS. So yeah, that's where I had
people contact me before. Several different women have
contacted me on my tablet. It's on my I'm a manipulator and
I'm teaching assistant there. But what you guys don't get is
I'm telling you a lot of guys, man, we first of all, we come
from broken homes, broken families.
Even me for instance, when I wasout, I used to go to the club
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every weekend just to get the pussy.
And it was very easy for me to get what I want.
So then when I got locked up years later, because basically
when you're pushing a certain way on the street, these things,
you don't got to talk, you don'tgot to game her up, you don't
got to do nothing. She's going to give it to you
anyway. So when I got locked up, I
remember specifically it was this yo, that worked in our
building. She always walked by.
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She's like, hey, pretty boy, heypretty boy.
She talked to me on this last week.
Follow me with her. So she wanted to talk to me
something. I couldn't even talk.
I didn't know what to say to her.
I did not know how to have smalltalk with a female, you know,
I'm saying. And I remember I said some
stupid ass it to her and she waslike, yeah, like she was liking
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me. But then I said that's another
thing I learned too. A person could be a woman.
Anybody could be beautiful, handsome as fuck.
They fit all the criteria, but they could open their mouth and
make themselves ugly, make themselves grow, and that's what
I had did. I started realizing the more and
more I was in prison and the interaction with nurses with
females healed like men. They want to talk and then ***
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don't like I could talk to my baby Mama.
I can talk to you if I know you,but as far as me just giving
random So that's another thing like that's how people are.
So that's what them books was about when they get to copying
the letters directly out the book and sending it to females.
I guess you could say that that's manipulating or it could
be a cheat code. I don't know, but yeah, so
that's how I started writing it.But then later I had books with
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a woman called Debbie out of Hawaii.
She's actually a doctor. So she was writing a book in her
research. She seen in my book, and this
lady tracked me down. I'm tomorrow.
In that book. I told people to go to
ryderprisoner.com. Me and her.
I got to arguing later. So me and Debbie over there
arguing like that day, we was going back and forth on the jpg
time, back and forth, back and forth.
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And at the time. I really didn't have no female.
I hadn't had no female in a lot of years, so I wasn't used to
texting with a woman like back-to-back to back, but I
didn't give a fuck. But I was arguing with her and
then something hit me because I'm the type of person then I
see things from three different point of views.
I try my hardest whenever a situation present itself to me,
I'm going to try to look at it from my point of view, from the
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female's point of view, the dude's point of view, and then a
whole nother view. So when she was arguing with me,
I'm like, man, I said man, you and me could do a blog.
You know, this was a while back.I was talking blogs and shit,
right? I was like, you need to do a
blog. You're saying a whole lot of
shit on that side. I'm saying a whole lot.
And bam, I'm someone. Within a month we had a little
website. But I got to be real with you,
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man, OK, I've been down like 20 years and the woman I had when I
first failed, she ended up leaving me after like 2 1/2
years. So a lot of that time was done
with no females, no nothing. I mean it was a little shit with
like I said those CEO's and nurses and shit.
So it had was theory and shit sounds good.
I say that shit theory because when I was writing the books
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with Debbie, I see relationships, especially
between prisoners, people on thestreet.
I'm more like in depth in that shit now and.
Do you still talk to? Her.
Do I still talk together? You know what that like is
crazy, man. You know what I mean?
I don't know if I should. I said I was gonna be real.
You don't want to tell me now? No, I can't because but The
thing is, I don't like talking bad and I'm about to talk bad
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about this lady, right? And I don't like talking bad.
OK, we'll leave it. You know what I'm saying?
I mean, all I know is that she tapped in recently.
This is another thing man. Oh my God it hurt.
I could go. That was so toxic.
But it's funny because she was tapped in.
I forgot to tell y'all that whenshe tapped in with all that
arguing shit it was COVID. She's like a teacher.
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Like she teaches university so she was having to do a lot of
group calls for her teaching or whatever.
She wasn't even teaching really.She was like running some shit
high in the education departmentout there.
So when COVID ended, all of a sudden she moves to LA and now
the argument starts and I'm someone she arguing because I
fell asleep and I didn't call ata certain time she's saying I'm
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cheating, which I was, but it was because she argue and all
kind of shit, right? But yeah, I'm not saying that
she was like, but I'm saying that she was starting a bunch of
fake ass fight and I kept telling her he's starting this
shit for nothing. Like what's wrong with you?
So we ended up breaking up. And it's funny because we ended
up talking a couple years later.And I told her, like, you know,
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just be real with me, man. I always felt like you were
starting shit. And she finally was on it.
And I kind of hate her for what she did.
But because she just got me for some bread, like last year,
that's why I was like, debating what I should talk about it now.
But she, yes, she stole some money from me.
But hella, females do that. If I wanted to tell you the
thousands of dollars that I lostbecause females, you meet
somebody that's really, really, really not going to play with
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your money. But yeah, Gabby, man, Yeah, I
wrote some books for her. And basically she admitted to me
that it was the end of COVID andher love language is touch.
So she ended up meeting somebodyand she just wanted to do that.
So whatever. So basically she was gaslighting
it because she met somebody out there, which is fucked up.
You know, I'm just assuming thatI'm not the only person that's
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ever happened to. And that's just fucked up.
Like if you really care about a dude, and this is my advice to
the same females or fucking *** in prison or anybody, man, if
you really love that person, man, don't ever admit you
cheated on. Everybody's human and everybody
has a little sausage. Some people don't want some.
Like trust me, I know prison wise, I have my own pocket.
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I interviewed with Bushes. So I learned these stereotypes
that people think ain't really real.
But I know that a lot of them have issues that you've been in
domestic violence issues or you might have a little girl and
you're not, we can miss and you don't want her to be around
another man. So many different issues drive
females to seek relationships with her and I get that, but
cheap. Do not tell your man.
Do not. I'm talking about go to the
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death with that. You know what I'm saying?
Please go to death with that because I'll tell a female man.
I got this license. I don't even care if you have
sex or something like don't let that come into between.
And I remember I told you the game that I had was all
theoretical. So I used to argue with *** in
here. I'm not being a kitchen and I
used to like man and I'm like, man, I got a life sentence.
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If you're a lifer, and there's afew lifers because I always stay
on these level fours, I ain't been off at level 4.
You got a lot of time when you're on this level.
So I remember arguing with people like that.
I don't think that's cheating. If you got a life sentence and
your girl has sex. Not one person agreed with me,
Not one person. And then me, I remember this one
thing. I kept telling her, I don't care
if you have to. I don't care if you have to.
I used to FaceTime with her every morning around 5:00 in the
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morning. I would wake her up, she'd get
up, do her makeup, smoke some weed, whatever, Get ready for
her day. Well, one day I called her right
OK, I had just paid to get her eyebrows done, but she was
feeling herself right. She went to the bar at night and
she didn't even call me back later on.
Anyways, the next morning I end up calling her five O clock in
the morning. She's like walking, she's
outside. So I'm like, damn, you already
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outside, what you doing? And she's like, Oh no, I'm just
getting home and I'm like what? She's like, yeah man, I met my
ex. My ex was at the bar and I end
up going back to his house and sleeping with him and I'm like
damn, OK, and I try to joke withher with brush your teeth bitch
before you talk to me. See when you brush your teeth
before right, but that's just how I play the same time at the
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same time that she disgusted me,of course that she destroyed the
relationship. She said telling me like you
said it was OK. I did say it was OK.
I did it was cool, but it's likeI don't want do not and you
don't understand how much leewayyou got out there.
I'm not saying take advantage. I won't buy do sales shit.
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I won't be looking at *** sale, but when you chopping January
*** whatever *** wake up and kiss them pictures.
We love y'all, yeah. My husband has always said he
wants to know if I do. It took me a really long time to
get his trust. Yeah.
You dated someone when you firstwent in to prison for 2 1/2
years and then you said there was a long stint that you were
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single. Why were you single?
Like me or something. So like the first six years I
was periodically kept me in a back pocket.
I'm still alone. But I'm just saying when these
female Cos or nurses or something like that, they
working overtime, they spend a lot of time here.
So sometimes if you get a job and you're working closely with
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them, we'll be spending more time with that person that they
spend with their husband. So there was little situations
where, but even that's not healthy because a lot of us,
we're not in our right mind in here.
Just imagine somebody like me, Ihaven't locked up a long time,
no cell phone. I was out of touch.
I called the family, but it was times that I didn't even ask for
the phone because I got so interested in just living in
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prison. And it was like, when am I going
to even talk to them about? I don't even have nothing to
talk about somebody on the street.
I wouldn't even call homies and *** are getting mad.
I wouldn't even check in with homies.
But anyway, it's starting females.
Y'all the nurses. And so they'll come and they'll
flirt with you and they do that shift to several different
reasons. One lady she worked in the
kitchen when she do is she'll find an alpha male in the
kitchen and flirt with him. She'll flirt with him where
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nobody can see. She'll call you like she when
you're going to office, she got her legs wide open, she'll
probably rub up against you, something like that, but she's
only doing it to control you because you're the alpha so you
can control everybody else. I was in love with that Lady.
I'm coming out in love like I'm talking about.
Actually, that's all I would talk about *** styles crazy
because here's another thing. She's so small that nobody else
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going to see what she's doing. She's never going to slip.
Can't even say that you talking to her because nobody going to
believe you because the way she is.
But anyway, after I met Debbie and at that time I started
through the females and shit, man, I seen her and I looked at
her and I was like that bitch ugly motherfucking man.
And it's just a trip because before I started socializing
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different females, I had them like for so long that I didn't
even she was the most beautiful woman in the world.
Then when I started seeing otherpeople, I was like man, this
bitch man manipulating. But anyways, my point is,
there's a lot of people in here like that we don't have.
I haven't got no visit in like 10 years.
Did you ever? Meet Debbie.
We did the little computer business during COVID, so I know
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what she looked like. Yeah.
Well, shit. When I first failed California,
the lifers wasn't allowed to getconjugated.
And then recently they gave the L watch conjugated.
I can get conjugated, but then Ican't.
Like I just got conjugated for five years.
Yeah, you're going to lose your conjugated and I stay with it
because I run cooking. Like I got my KG magazine, KG
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Enterprise. I created my magazine from
scratch, so plus I'll be doing my curriculum, so I gotta check
the money and my kids. I like to sleep on the phone
with a female, put you on FaceTime and just for sleep.
That's my intimacy. I can get motherfucking face to
face visits. You can hug and kiss.
I can never keep a relationship for them.
I can never. For some reason, every
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relationship, I get it. I'm just going to be a horrible
boyfriend or something Like I'm just going to be real and I
don't even be caring. I don't think I can love.
You haven't had an in person visit in 10 years?
Well, my sister showed up. My sister showed up out the blue
like 10 years ago. Yeah, she came in my family.
You got to think, man, I got extradited back out here.
So a lot of my family over the years have moved.
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But I recently, this girl named Sugar B and she came up here and
oh, my God, I got dressed. She drove 3 1/2 hours and told
her I wasn't allowed to give in,Call her again.
I said, man, that's a lie. But she didn't know me like
that. We had just met like about two
months earlier. And then here's what happened
when I had got off the shoe. When you're in the shoe, you
can't get face to face contacted.
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So when I got the shoe, my last series shoe was literally about
10 years ago. They never fixed it in the
computer that I got my business back.
I don't even know how they let my sister in because I kept
telling my sister can't see me. There was no so it was a mistake
that they fixed that day. OK, so I was talking to sugar
Bee right? Right after I was like going
through a rough ass breakup. America, my girl America like
(30:23):
lover, but we got to fuck the breakup.
So I started talking Sugar Bee, a little Hispanic woman out of
Southern California. And then while I'm talking to
Sugar Bee Man, one of my baby Mamas, Captain, that I hadn't
talked to 10 years, I hadn't talked to her.
But that didn't work. Like we chilled for a couple
months, probably about 6-7 months.
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And yeah, that didn't work. So the sugar bee never came and
I. Actually, I just talked to Sugar
Bee last night, right? No, she never came back because
I was trying to work it out withmy it's like fucked up because
it's almost like my baby Mama came.
Like I had some shit going on tomorrow.
She would be that just they turned away.
They made a mistake, but still on the team.
But then my baby Mama came and me being hella honest, I'm
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telling her like look, man, can't be with you to figure out
what's going on with me in America.
So when me in America finally broke up.
So then when she popped in, I'm like, Oh my God, because I had
shit going on with sugar beat. But I mean.
Have you ever been on a pen pal site yourself?
Yeah I have been on pen pal sites but that shit don't work.
Not for me. Why not?
Y'all need to check out my social media king guru book with
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the under score right? You can see what I look like.
I don't think I'm an ugly MIDI you know what I'm saying?
I think I look good, but they don't work.
For you, but don't recommend them in your books.
What do you mean recommend? Yeah, isn't it in your books?
Now let me tell you something about recommend.
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Yes, they're definitely in my books and they work for people.
They definitely work for people,even though them books was
written a while back and now I would say more like do the
prison groups on Facebook and shit like that, right.
But what I'm saying is I do recommend them because I've seen
people find love. I've seen people find anything
that they want on ryderprisoner.com.
I've seen people get 2030 letters and they got to do it,
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like at work. You know what I'm saying?
You got to have a file on every single person.
But yeah, they work. They work, just not for.
You, but you know when I chalkedit up as my intention wasn't
right so I don't think the universe was letting me catch
something 100%. I'm glad you caught that like.
I believe that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I'm definitely a believer in theuniverse, in karmas.
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That's why I try to be honest. You go in there trying to get
over somebody. I.
Mean now you're honest. Yeah, just said you had bad
intention. Yeah, back then.
OK, if we're going to talk aboutthe subject of anybody trying to
get over trying to get money, you guys got to understand that
if you've never been in strugglemode, if you've never been in
the most horrible conditions where you have, you don't know
where your next meal going to come from.
(32:55):
You don't have nobody like we'rein here.
Sometimes you don't talk on the phone because you don't have
nobody call. You don't get no letters because
ain't nobody writing. You can't go to stores and
nobody sending you no money likethat.
Put somebody in survival so theywill do things that wouldn't do
otherwise. And that's why you got dudes in
here writing like homosexuals and shit, acting like they're
gay even though they're not gay because they're going for the
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money. But if they had a bag they sell,
they would never do no shit likethat.
I say that to like, if you meet somebody like that, you got to
give them the benefit of the doubt.
You know what I'm saying? Not you don't have to give them
your bag, but you're going to have to give them the benefit of
the doubt. Because I'm telling you, I'm so
much different right now. I used to be one of them, like
really depending on somebody to put food on my table.
(33:36):
And now my kids are calling me when they need rent money.
You've touched on it a little bit already on dating someone
who's got life without parole ora really lengthy sentence.
But what would you tell a woman who is dating someone like me?
I'm married to someone who's gota life sentence.
What would you tell a woman who is dating someone with a lengthy
sentence? Should they do it?
Man, you can't tell your heart you went to love and when not to
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love. That's something I know I could
give you all type of little smart answers for that and all
that, but in all actuality you can love anybody and you don't
always got to love them in person, you know what I'm
saying? So if you got somebody, some of
the life is here, man, we'd be the realest *** in on earth.
We'd be intelligent and sometimes your back is against
the wall, man. If you give a person a chance
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and you could change their life.Females got a lot of power.
You could change a person's life, but you got to be strong,
too. There's so many aspects to this,
man. Like you asked me, I'll probably
give you an answer, but what I'msaying is I would say yeah, man.
Lifers, man, we going through it.
This shit's fucked up. You know how much I cry and
don't nobody know? I cried.
I mentioned a couple things and I teared up.
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People don't see that. Like we're in pain.
This shit hurts. This shit hurts when your
daughter might be getting abusedby somebody you can't help her
or your baby Mama can't even payher rent so she got to be with a
dude that's treating her badges so she can have a roof over your
kids head. Or somebody taking advantage of
your mother because she's elderly and you can't go defend
her. Or people taking advantage of
you stealing money. You can't do that because your
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hands are like we go through it and that's only what I'm saying
out there. You guys don't even see what the
fuck is going on in here man. I'm out of prison with a level
4180 is be riots. You'd be stabbing.
It's like you right now. I almost got up with a *** just
to go get my package. This shit ain't cool.
So like, if you can love somebody, you could be the most
realist in the world, man. Give yourself to a man that
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ain't got nobody, man. I tip my salute all women.
That's really doing it. So yes, if you have somebody
that's doing like, give me a chance and put it like this too.
In the real world, what's guaranteed that you're going to
be with your current boyfriend forever?
There's no guarantee. You might meet somebody, only be
with him three months. You might might be with him
5/10/15 years and it'd be over. You live a little.
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Because I'm telling you, you geta sincere 1.
Like you get somebody, you go see that person.
You're going to be the only person that person sees.
When that person wakes up, he's going to be thinking about you.
When he's talking to *** he's quoting shit.
You don't say it. So yeah, man, you know what I'm
saying? We put this ones in the system.
And I think the other thing thatyou touched on that's important
is that a lot of people think just because you're holding them
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down and you're sending the money, that they're using you.
But there's a lot of times whereit's just necessity and it
doesn't mean that they don't love you or it's not genuine.
Okay, this is what I say about that, right?
First of all, fuck with everybody else talking about
because it's so easy. Oh, I should have would have
could if it was me, I would havedid this or I wouldn't do that
or you just getting taken advantage of.
Not what I would recommend, right?
(36:27):
No, there's not people that's all taking advantage of y'all.
No, no, no, no, no, it's not as much as you think.
It's like these people when theyfeed us this food.
We just want to lock down, man. These dudes lost weight because
they're doing the state food. Just state food is not going to
feel a grown man up. You're going to be hungry and
then hustling in prison. You can get your shit.
I mean man, you asked me about her saying shit.
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I get it. But not everybody like me and
it's hard to get paid by *** So that opens up problems.
All I can recommend when it comes to the financial aspect of
it, understand that we can't do for ourselves.
Don't think because you see one or two of us or maybe a few of
us got cell phones and shit. Don't think that that just means
we all doing it like that. It's just like the real world.
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Some people rich, some people poor.
Come up with a budget, come up with like listen, I'm willing to
give you this every month if I do this and I can get you a
package quarterly. But if we're cutting to our
business, so if I'm going to come visit you, I can only spend
this on this month, make a budget and stick by it.
And now I'm giving y'all a game and I don't give a fuck.
That's what I do. Most of us get to talk about
sending cash out here, sitting here saying no, I'll put money
(37:34):
on your books and I'll buy you packages.
But all that other shit, I'm telling you, it's just going to
your local drug dealer. Me and AJ are good spots, like
both of our significant others don't ever ask for money.
They didn't need money. But it's hard for us because we
want to say it does exist and you're allowed to give money and
it's OK to put the people in their book.
(37:54):
So I get what you're saying. It is really real and people get
judged all the time because of that.
We're. Struggling.
I want to know if you're still working on books.
Are you still writing except foryour magazine?
Most definitely, yeah. I mean, I get magazines.
I got like 13 issues. If you go to madcloud.com and
put in KG magazine, you'll see my magazines for prisoners and
shit. But the books dropped like 7
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books last year in 20247 King Guru books came out.
Yeah, I did a lot of work last year and I got burnt out so I
took a little break. Just be chilling and shit.
But right now I've been working on.
I got all the books out the way man.
I got, let me see, just last year I had Ecological Seductions
book 1 and 2 come out. I had Guns and Roses books one
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and two and Come out the Mob Father that came out, Life and
Times of Matt came out. And is that seven?
I think that's seven right now. I got this Misty Hustle, but
it's based on Misty Hustle's life.
Like I got all the facts. I did have the research, but I
did it. I wrote it as an early novel.
So I added it's almost like historical fiction.
But yeah, I've been working on that and some other shit that's
(38:59):
I might be writing up under a different name soon.
So like, yeah, I've been working.
What's your favorite book that you've written?
That I wrote, yeah. See, my favorite book was, I
would say The Devils and Demons,which was originally Underworld,
Zilla. I think those were the funnest
ones because those were my urbannovels and I based all these
stories on real life shit. So young books, yeah, that's
what got me my respect down there.
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Oh, did I? And if someone's loved one
that's incarcerated wants to start writing and publishing,
what's your biggest piece of advice?
Read books on how to write books.
This is one of my biggest things.
Do not think that you could justsit down and write a book.
Everybody says, oh I can do that.
I can do that. I can do that man.
Go get you some books that teachyou.
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I have a book called How to Write Urban Novels for Money and
Fame. Get that book please, because
there's a craft, right? There's a science to it, There's
a math to it. Like you got everything.
The 1st 30 page. I got to give you my character,
my setting, my time. I'm going to give you all of
that. I'm going to put you in the
passenger seat and you're going to know the main character, but
I'm also going to give you whatever he's striving for.
(40:05):
I know all of that. And then you got to build
characters and you never want toleave your characters in a blank
room. I write all 5 sentences.
When you reading, you going to hear something?
You going to smell? You going to taste?
Food that she's eating and you're going to hear the
whispers behind your back. You feel me?
There's certain things I just read books on how to write
books. That is awesome.
(40:25):
I love that advice, Mr. King Guru.
I don't think I've laughed so much in an interview before.
I think there's going to be a lot of ladies listening and
they're going to want to know ifyou're single, where you at?
I'm single but now cool. I do not want.
Now I'm gonna let the universe find me one.
OK EB, how did they find you andyour books?
(40:46):
All right, all my books is like on Barnes and Nobles or
Amazon.com. Then you could also go to
thecellblock.net, thecellblock.net,
thecellblock.net. You're going to have the online
magazine on there. There's blogs, there's all the
cell blocks books. Anything a prisoner can want,
it's going to be. If you go to thecellblock.net,
you can go to magcloudmagcloud.com and put in
(41:10):
KG magazine for my magazine. Yeah, like a little tick with
some nice little funny little skits I did in the kitchen where
people was caged under score minds on TikTok.
He got like 300,000 views or something.
And then my boss, not the CEO, but the freestyle, she came in
and she waited to his aunt and she was like what the hell was
y'all doing? Like somebody told me that my
(41:31):
crew was on TikTok and when I seen it she's like, I didn't.
That's what made it words. I didn't even see y'all.
Somebody else did and then. So yeah, so they all know we'd
be doing. You got in trouble.
Yeah, I mean she she laughed. Is it hard to get a cell phone?
I mean, shit, they're expensive and you got to be in like 3035
(41:51):
hundred and then on Instagram I'm king under score, Google
under score book, king Google book and I'm just here, man,
That's it. I'm sure there will be a Part 2
if you're willing in a couple months to talk to us again.
You've got some great insights and I appreciate that.
Thank you. Thank you, man.
I love being part of all of this.
I don't know. Let's keep doing it, man.
Let's have fun, man. Here. 100% I think AJ, when she
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hears this interview, she's going to want to interview you
next, so. I will.
I'm here. I'm in the building.
OK, thank you, Kangaroo. Take care.
Alright, OK, you too.
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