April 5, 2025 • 28 mins
Feeling uneasy about who might be listening through your smartphone? You should be. In this eye-opening conversation, Dr. Robert Jackson sits down with tech security expert Sean Patrick Tarrio who reveals the shocking truth about our devices: they're listening even when turned off.
Sean blows the lid off the digital surveillance ecosystem that's harvesting your personal data around the clock. "These companies are siphoning all of our information and selling it to the highest bidder on a regular basis," he explains, backing his claims with documented evidence of tech giants selling user data to government agencies for hundreds of millions annually.
The Apple privacy myth gets thoroughly debunked as Sean demonstrates how their "trust us" approach contradicts their closed systems, app store control, and court cases. He challenges listeners to conduct a simple experiment: turn off your iPhone, talk about buying something unusual like gold or real estate, then watch as those exact product advertisements appear when you power back on.
Many resign themselves to digital monitoring with a defeated "they already have my data anyway" attitude. Sean brilliantly counters this by comparing it to a patient with diabetes refusing to change their diet because "I've eaten unhealthily my whole life." Just as changing health habits can improve your future wellness, reclaiming digital privacy protects your information going forward.
Whether you're tech-savvy or technophobic, Sean offers practical, incremental steps anyone can take toward digital freedom. He shares insights on secure messaging apps, explains AI as a powerful tool that can either protect or harm depending on who controls it, and emphasizes that simplifying your digital life might be the most effective privacy strategy of all.
Ready to take back control of your digital life? Visit mark37.com for resources, educational articles, and free consultations that can guide your journey toward genuine digital privacy. Because as Sean powerfully states, "Your privacy matters no matter what."
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Dr.Robert Jackson (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus
is more than enough for the illsthat plague our culture and our
country, hosted by author andphysician, dr Robert Jackson,
and his wife Carlotta anddaughter Hannah Miller.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (00:17):
So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:22):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm delighted to haveactually in the studio with me
today, rather than online a goodfriend of mine, Sean Patrick
Tarrio I think I said it wrongthere and he's going to be our
(00:46):
interview today.
So, Sean Patrick, tell mylisteners a little bit about
yourself and what you do, andthen we'll jump into our topic
for today.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (00:54):
Sure Appreciate that.
Thanks for having me on yourbeautiful compound here, all the
lovely kiddos running aroundand livestock and whatnot.
So what do I do?
So I'm in tech, I'm a geek, Ihave been for a long time and I
run a variety of differentbusinesses, but the primary
business I run is helping peoplemigrate off of Google, apple
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and Microsoft.
So that means your devices thatare running iOS or Google
Android and your laptops thatare running MacOS or Microsoft
Windows.
If we're tired of having thesedevices track us, monitor us,
listen to us all the time, weprovide options in form of the
tools that you can use, as wellas the training and education
(01:36):
and training.
So we do a lot of education, alot of training, a lot of
content that we've developed andcreated to help coach people
how to make that migration assimple and seamless as possible.
Dr.Robert Jackson (01:45):
That's right, and you helped me do that two
years ago.
So I have what some folks calla ghost phone that helps me not
to be tracked by the big fivecorporations, and I've been
delighted with that for the lasttwo years, because I don't like
having my information tracked,bought or sold to other major
(02:05):
corporations or even thegovernment, and I really have
appreciated that for the lasttwo years.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (02:11):
Yeah, I think that the key that people I
think are starting tounderstand is that these
companies that we've trusted tocontrol it's really control the
devices that we carry aroundwith us all day, every day are
siphoning all of our information, all of our data, and they're
selling it to the highest bidderon a regular basis.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:31):
Well now, let me ask you this now, since
Trump has been elected, is allof this still a concern for us?
Or should we just heave a bigsigh of relief and say, ah, it
doesn't matter anymore?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (02:43):
Yeah, that's a great question, heave a
big sigh of relief and say, ah,it doesn't matter anymore.
Yeah, that's a great question.
And I think the people who arenot really too concerned about
privacy already as it is, Ithink they have a mindset of, oh
, it'll all get taken care ofthose tend to also be the people
who are really not takingaction.
They're not out making thingshappen.
They're not getting involved intheir local community, trying
to get involved in localpolitics, school board, whatever
(03:03):
it might be.
We kind of call them the NPCs,the non-player characters in the
world, right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (03:09):
So those folks are like those are not my
listeners.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (03:12):
Right, exactly.
So I think those folks, to abig degree, are like well,
trump's elected, I don't need toworry about it, right, I voted
for him, so he'll take care ofit.
And those are the samepoliticians who are continue to
vote people like, unfortunately,lindsey Graham here in South
Carolina in office when we knowhe's a horrible choice to
represent we, the people.
But going back to your question, I think the people that that I
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cater to, who are the people onthe front lines of the various
different battlefronts, of bothcultural and spiritual warfare
right now, whether it'santi-human trafficking or
fighting for the J6, prisonerreleases or election integrity,
people who are fighting for thepro-life cause and whatnot.
Those folks are very much awarebecause we've been targeted for
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the last four years and, Iwould say, well beyond that.
So those folks are not lettingoff the trigger, they're not
letting off the throttle.
They're still moving forwardand they still understand that
this is a fight that has to befought all day, every day.
Dr.Robert Jackson (04:08):
You're correct.
You're correct, exactly right,all right.
Well now, since the last timeyou and I talked, two years ago,
you helped set up my phone, andwhat has changed since then?
What's been happening sincethen?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (04:19):
So I've been doing a lot of traveling.
Uh, the last we talked, I wasdoing a lot of traveling as well
.
But I'm still traveling aroundat different prepper conferences
.
I'm traveling around todifferent homeschool conferences
.
I'm doing lots of podcasts,trying to just spread the word
and evangelize, to wake peopleup to.
Hey, we know this is a problemand a lot of people will be like
you know.
(04:40):
Yes, I agree that this is aproblem.
No, I'm not okay with thesedevices listening to me all the
time.
But what can I do about it?
Most people just are obliviousthat there's actually options
and solutions in the market thatthey can use to escape, to
start the process and thejourney of migrating off of
their systems and theirtechnology.
(05:00):
But the key mindset there is itis a journey, it's a process.
You don't just buy a tool andthen all of a sudden you're safe
.
You kind of have to think aboutit in terms of, you know,
owning a firearm.
You don't just buy a gun andthen all of a sudden, you're
safe and you're good, right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:15):
You have to practice, you have to practice,
you have to learn how to use thetool.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (05:18):
That's right.
You have to know how to use iteffectively and safely.
So someone is actually, in fact, more of a threat to themselves
and the people around them ifthey have that tool, that weapon
, and they don't trainthemselves.
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:30):
Right, exactly.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (05:31):
And I would say, with these devices, these
phones and these laptops, if youdon't understand how they work
and understand just the basicconcepts of the technology and
you operate in a well, I'm nottech savvy, it's kind of all
just magic to me, right?
If you have that mentality,then you are really more of a
threat than you even know.
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:52):
Yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (05:52):
But because it's this ethereal technology
stuff.
You don't even realize that.
You know I.
I like to say people areblowing their digital head off
all day, every day, and thosearound them and they don't even
know it, they're completelyoblivious to it.
Dr.Robert Jackson (06:07):
I understand what you're saying.
I mean, I have my phone and I'mnot trying to connect, but
every day I get invites fromdifferent organizations that
want me to be on their Googleplatform, for example, and I
have to say, no, I'm sorry, Ican't be a part of that.
And they're like why, why, why?
And I just have to explain tothem and then they look at me
(06:27):
like I've got two heads.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (06:34):
Yeah, and the interesting thing is like if
people invite you to Zoom callsor Microsoft Teams calls or
Google calls All the time.
All the time.
You can still access those.
You just don't need to downloadtheir software.
You don't have to have theirsoftware running on your devices
there are ways to connectthrough your browser that will
allow you to have a firewallbetween your data, your device
and their applications and theirtools.
Dr.Robert Jackson (06:55):
Let me ask you another question, then.
Um Tell, I've been hearing overand over that that there's a
lack of security with Appledevices.
You know Apple's always talkingabout how secure their devices
are.
Is that really true, or dopeople who use Apple phones and
other Apple devices are theyreally experiencing a real lack
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of security?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (07:21):
So the short answer is they
fundamentally are experiencing alack of security, and I was.
I was actually on a date nightwith my wife about two months
ago and we were sitting downhaving a meal at the bar of a
restaurant we were at and therewas a tv in the background and
the commercial came on for appleand it was like apple is
privacy and I I literallylaughed out loud, probably
(07:42):
obnoxiously loud because I don'twatch TV very much.
I just saw that article or thatcommercial come up and I'm in
the middle.
I was at that time in themiddle of writing a whole
article exposing all thedifferent ways that Apple is
actually not private, not secure, and that's proven by their
products and the IP that theyhave around their products.
(08:03):
It's proven by the court casesthat they've lost over the last
few years and current courtcases going on.
It's proven by the fact thatthey have a closed source
operating system, so we reallyhave no idea what's happening.
So Apple is private.
Trust us, just believe us.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:20):
Trust us.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (08:21):
Despite the fact that all the evidence
shows that we're not safe andprivate.
It's proven by their app storethat they completely control.
So you can't run anyapplications on their devices
unless they approve it.
And what we saw happen duringCOVID and what we saw happen
over the last couple of years,with all kinds of different
causes, they refused to allowcertain applications to even
(08:42):
exist on their platform becauseit violated their terms of
service Right.
That was.
That was literally determinedby the White House and the CDC
and the you know the, the NHA atthat time.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:55):
Right.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (08:56):
So there's, and you follow the money of the
company.
Who really owns Apple at theend of the day?
Well, it's the same, it's thesame companies BlackRock,
Vanguard, State Street,Brookshire, Hathaway and who
owns those companies?
Well, they all own each otherright, that's right.
So, as you start following themoney, that's another angle that
I go into in this article.
That's actually up on thewebsite right now.
(09:16):
I'll put a link to your articleon my show notes Show notes yes
, yes, sir, so people can get ahold of those.
Dr.Robert Jackson (09:27):
yeah, that'd be great, because I think people
just need to understand thatthey we live in this illusion
that these you know that apple,specifically because they
they're primary, primary,primary market share owner for
devices right now in the us 60people tell me all the time I
don don't have an Apple devicethat when they talk around their
phone when it's actually cutoff, that when they cut it back
(09:50):
on later, that if they've talkedabout some kind of purchase,
that there will beadvertisements for that purchase
on their phone, even thoughit's been cut off.
Is that true?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (09:59):
100% and you can do.
I encourage your listeners whohave Apple devices.
Run this experiment in your ownhome.
Turn your iPhone off for aSaturday, sunday, whatever your
day of rest might be.
Turn it off, just completelyturn it off, and then start
talking about something new thatyou haven't talked about but
talk about like a big ticketitem right, like I want to buy.
(10:20):
We should buy a lot of gold.
We should buy a lot of gold.
It's hot right now.
We should buy a lot of gold,something that you generally
don't talk about.
Or we should buy real estate inTennessee.
We should move to Tennessee.
We should buy some real estatein Tennessee, something like
that.
But even if it's something like, we have customers who have
done this case study and they'vecome back to us and said we
were talking about crockpots,but we were talking about buying
(10:41):
crockpots, and when they turnall their devices back on, those
are all the ads that they sawis for the things that they were
talking about.
From a turned off phone From aturned off phone.
So this is where people arereally starting to understand
and get that these devices arenot their own.
When you allow someone likeApple to control the operating
system of your device, that isgiving Apple control of your
(11:05):
device.
It is essentially their device.
You pay them for the privilegeto feed them all of your
information and all of your data, and it's not just the device
itself.
This is the other supernefarious thing.
Apple has contracts andagreements with other things,
other Internet of Thingscompanies, so they're picking up
(11:28):
the data from all these otherthings and sharing it with each
other and aggregating all thisinformation so that they can
create a profile on you.
Dr.Robert Jackson (11:37):
Right.
Do you think they sell ourinformation to the government?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (11:40):
Hundred percent Guarantee it.
And you just have to lookthrough the corporate filings
for these companies.
These are publicly tradedcompanies, so you can see how
much money they're making fromthe government sector and our
government has been buying tothe tunes of millions of dollars
, hundreds of millions ofdollars a year.
Information on the Americanpeople.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:00):
Not just from Apple, google and Microsoft and
all the rest, all the rest,Apple's not the only culprit
Facebook 100%.
Yes, yeah, all right.
Well now, well, hold on On thistopic.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (12:10):
I think it's important because when you
start to understand this, a lotof people go to the mindset of
well, they have all my dataanyway, so what can I do about
it?
Right, they have so muchinformation on me so I should
just give up.
It's like so what?
I'll just continue using itbecause they already have it,
I'll keep being a slave.
Yeah, I'll just keep being aslave because they already own
me.
They already own my history, sothey may as well own my future.
(12:32):
That mindset, from a healthperspective, is no different
than saying well, I've alreadybeen eating garbage from the
grocery store for so long, so mechanging my dietary habits
today really isn't going tochange anything into the future.
Right, we know that's aludicrous mindset, because it's
just not factual.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:51):
It doesn't help my patients who've got
diabetes suddenly or just had aheart attack.
I'll look at them and say look,dude, you got to change your
eating habits.
And they say well, doc, I'vebeen eating this way my whole
life.
I said well, it just gave youdiabetes, it just gave you a
heart attack.
You're going to keep doing that, yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (13:07):
Yeah, some things got to change.
Some things got to change.
So I liken it to once youunderstand the ingredients of
the food that you're eating andyou recognize that it's poison.
That's right.
You have to make a consciousdecision.
That's right.
Am I going to continue to eatthe poison and feed my family
the poison, or am I going tomake a change in my life?
Dr.Robert Jackson (13:28):
Yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (13:28):
So these are hard decisions.
It's not easy for people to doit.
Dr.Robert Jackson (13:31):
It's not easy .
It was hard when I went to yourphone because there was so many
things.
I love being able to talk toSiri and tell it to show me how
to get to certain places.
I can't do that anymore.
I had to make a change.
There's a lot of change likelifestyle changes.
Lifestyle changes are hard whenI have to tell them no, you
can't eat Twinkies every day.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (13:51):
Right, right, it's hard.
It is hard for people,especially when you're addicted
to those things.
That's right, and they've madethese things so addictive by
design, exactly right by design.
Dr.Robert Jackson (14:02):
Well, let me ask you about this what about AI
?
Is that something we shouldfear or something we should
embrace?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (14:08):
So I view AI as a tool because it is it's
software, it's code.
At the end of the day, it'sjust code, it's a program that's
designed to do certain things,is it potentially very dangerous
and frightening?
A hundred percent.
Dr.Robert Jackson (14:23):
It totally is Just like a gun, exactly.
A gun can protect you or it canhurt you.
Yes, it just depends on who'susing it and how they use it.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (14:30):
Right, and the important thing that people
need to understand is, if youdon't start leveraging these
tools and using these tools notfor everybody, but for a lot of
people, especially workingprofessionals they can make you
exponentially more efficient.
So, when you're talking to Siriand you say, hey, siri,
(14:54):
navigate me to whatever, or likeyou know what's my calendar
look like for today, right, thatis an AI tool that's giving you
back that information.
It's looking through your files, your information.
It's feeding you proactivelythings that you might want to
know.
So that is just a programthat's running.
Who controls that program?
Who runs that program?
Do you have ownership of thedata that you're feeding into
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that system or are you feedingit into Apple and Google and
OpenAI and, essentially, ourgovernment?
And what people I think somepeople have learned is that
OpenAI and ChatGPT, for example,is actually controlled and
owned by our government.
And the big reason why theventure capital in Silicon
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Valley backed Trump is becausethey sat down with the White
House the Kamala Harris campaignand they made it very clear
that they have all theseinvestments and all these
different AI platforms andagents.
And Kamala Harris and our WhiteHouse straight up told them we
don't care, we're backing openAI, we're backing chat GPT
(15:59):
because we can control it,because we can dictate what the
truth is on that platform andwhat it is not.
And that happens.
I literally had it happen thismorning that platform and what
it is not, and that happens.
I literally had it happen thismorning.
I still use chat GPT to testthings and I do it in a secure
way just to see what's happeningon that platform, and I use
other private LLMs and AI toolsas well.
But I went in and I tried to doan image of Biden when he got
(16:21):
lost on stage, remember, and Ihave a screenshot of that Fox
News article or program where hewas like lost on stage and it
says Biden gets lost on stageliterally right, yeah, and I put
that into the system and thesystem said I'm sorry, I can't
recreate this image for you.
This is politically motivated.
And I said okay, and I took asimilar image that has come out
(16:44):
recently of Trump right, doingsomething.
It did it, no questions askedright so I started a
conversation with it and I saidit's interesting to me that you
claim to not be politicallymotivated and yet you're totally
freely, willingly, open tocreating an image against trump,
but you're not willing to do itagainst a former president
biden.
Does that, do you notunderstand from a logical
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perspective?
And you start having an, anengagement with, and it says I
can understand your concern.
However, I can guarantee youthat blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
But you know it's biased.
Yes, right, yes, so that goesinto anything.
You just have to understandthat this is a tool.
Who owns the tool?
Who runs the tool?
Who's programming the tool?
What is the logic behind thetool, and if the the tool is run
by a bunch of woke, crazyglobalists?
Dr.Robert Jackson (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well, now is Trump going to open
that up to the private sector?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (17:31):
So he's yes is the short answer so he's
keeping that industry open right.
Which is why this is the onlyreason why I brought it up right
.
So why the venture capitalcompanies back to Trump?
Because they're like well, atleast Trump's going to be far
more free market minded thansaying we're going to go full on
communist and only have asource for truth and push this
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system that's completely wokeinto all of the government
agencies and all the governmenttools.
Dr.Robert Jackson (17:57):
I got you, so it is a tool.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (17:59):
To your point, ai is a tool.
I liken it actually not just toa firearm, but like to the
advent of gunpowder.
Right, you can either say, likethe samurais, I'm not going to
use.
We're going to hold to ourvalues and our tradition.
We're not going to usegunpowder, we're not going to
use weapons.
Very honorable stance.
How many samurai exist in theworld today?
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That's right.
Right.
They got annihilated becausethey would not evolve their
weaponry Right.
So this is a weapon.
It is a weapon, we have to viewit as such and we have to use
it to defend ourselves.
So, as these tools are nowbecoming more integrated,
private, secure versions ofthese tools that are not woke on
the back end are being runinside your home, for example.
(18:44):
They can actually defend yourhome from outside attacks, right
?
So instead of your server oryour home router becoming just
another node in the big DDoSattacks, which are big network
attacks, it will actually defendyour home and the devices
within your home and be able toevolve accordingly.
So when we can learn how to usethis software and this
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technology to our benefit,that's where we can really be on
par and fight back and not justbe annihilated off the
battlefield.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:16):
Interesting, Interesting.
All right, let me move to thenext thing.
What about Signal?
You know this whole issue withthe government officials who
allowed a news reporter to be ona Signal chat group.
Is Signal really safe?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (19:35):
That is a great question.
So Signal is like 99% opensource.
I think this is important.
Most people use Signal.
We hear people saying, well,you should use Signal, push the
Signal, use Signal.
Signal saves Signal's opensource.
There is a piece of the Signalcode that is not open source.
And people will also say, well,signal was invented by the CIA.
(19:57):
So can we really trust it?
And, to be honest with you, Idon't trust the CIA at all.
The history kind of proves thatthey shouldn't be trusted.
Dr.Robert Jackson (20:06):
That's right, that's correct.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (20:08):
But you have to realize Signal as a
technology.
If you look at the coretechnology end-to-end encryption
that has been vetted and thattechnology is a great means of
secure communications thequestion really comes into this
small piece of their code thatis closed source.
And the reason why it's closedsource is because if they open
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source that part of their code,it allows for spammers.
It allows for people who wantto come in and gain access to
your comms and your networkwithin your device Essentially
the keys of the kingdom.
They understand the algorithmthat's being used so they can
hack it essentially.
(20:56):
So if you're willing to trustthat that code that is being
kept secret is not being usedfor nefarious purposes it's not
been compromised, it's not beencompromised then we can trust
Signal.
But I would say it is um, it's.
I still use it.
I still have a lot of people onit that I communicate with on a
regular basis.
If I want to have reallyone-on-one conversations with
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people that are truly secure,I'm going to come to your house
I'm going to talk to you face toface, all my stuff away and
we're going to go walk down tothe river and we're going to go
have a conversation.
I understand that.
But what people, I think reallyfundamentally have to
understand is that your digitalprivacy and security is no
different than your physicalprivacy and security of interest
(21:52):
, then it's worth it to have themeans and the money and the
motive to come out and find youand hack into your stuff and
find creative ways to get intoall of your stuff, Right?
So it may be that signal andTucker Carlson, for example,
knows that he was hacked throughsignal and he will freely
acknowledge that how he gothacked actually is because he
had the Pegasus spyware softwarethat was downloaded onto his
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iPhone device and that gave freereign access to certain people
to have information pulling offhis phone, right?
So it's not that Signal wascompromised.
It's because he received a linkfrom somebody through Signal.
He downloaded, he clicked onthat link, which downloaded a
file onto his device, which thengave the access.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:38):
I understand.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (22:39):
So when you start following the tech and
you start following the threadsand start asking you know, I was
the kid in school that did thehomework when you do the
homework on this and you don'tjust read the headline, right
right, tucker, carlson, hackedthrough signal right, people
like oh, signal's bad, right,well, is it bad when?
when I talk to the different uhoperation sec so the infosec
(23:02):
people, the people who do youknow security, online security
the consensus is that signal isto be trusted, it it's safe.
It's secure, the technology'ssolid.
There is, though, this questionaround the code that is closed
source that they won't share.
There might be something goingon there.
There might not be, I don'tknow.
There's other secure ways tocommunicate that are far more
(23:26):
secure, I would say, that arefar more secure, I would say,
and they're just a little bitmore difficult for people to
download, install and startusing.
Dr.Robert Jackson (23:34):
And more expensive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (23:35):
Not necessarily more expensive.
You just have to have a littlebit more technical know-how.
Dr.Robert Jackson (23:39):
I see.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (23:39):
Right, I see.
So you can set up your ownserver and you can start running
your own private comms.
But for the lay person gettingthem to install the app and then
log into that account and thenstart using it, it's not as
simple and easy as using Signalor Telegram or X or any of these
other accounts.
Dr.Robert Jackson (23:57):
I understand that I do.
All right, we're running out oftime.
You got any last comments youwant to make.
I appreciate all this.
Your technical expertise isimpressive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (24:07):
Yeah, I would just say keep fighting the
good fight.
And if you're out there andyou're wondering what tools are
available, please just check outthe website mark37.com.
I have spent hundreds of hourscreating documentation and
literature and articles thatwill help A expose everything
that's going on so you canoperate with your eyes wide open
(24:30):
and then B start taking actionin a step-by-step methodical way
, with guides through the wholething, so that you can track
your progress and take littlebits off as you can, and a lot.
I would say.
95% of the customers I talk towith people who just want to
have a conversation, which weoffer free consults.
(24:50):
If you go to the top of thewebpage, you can sign up to talk
to me for free for about 15, 30minutes.
Everyone starts thatconversation.
Sean, I'm not tech savvy.
Just like me, just like me,exactly like you.
I'm not tech savvy.
I don't know if I can do this,and I steer people in two
directions.
I get to know them.
(25:14):
Sometimes I say you know what?
A smartphone, carrying around areally high tech device.
That's super complicated may notbe the best fit for you,
Because if all you're doing isphone calls and all you're doing
is texting every now and againand everything else you do can
be done from your laptop,doesn't necessarily have to be
done from your phone, and youcan get a Garmin GPS for your
car.
You don't need a smartphone.
Get a flip phone.
People's lives need to besimplified.
(25:38):
We don't need to overlycomplicate things.
So I'm coaching people to justbe simple.
Let's go simple.
Let's not overcomplicate.
You don't have to worry aboutVPNs and have to worry about all
these things that justovercomplicate.
If you can simplify and if it'scausing you stress, try to get
it out of your life.
Yep, yep.
So why stress yourself out andprobably get sick as a result of
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it and make your life morecomplicated?
Dr.Robert Jackson (26:03):
And more expensive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (26:04):
And more expensive when you can simplify.
Dr.Robert Jackson (26:06):
All right and give them the website again.
So if somebody's interested inone of your phone devices, that
will give them secrecy andprivacy, how do they get in
touch with you?
It's mark37.com.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (26:18):
It's from Scripture Mark 3, 7.
And we explain that on ourAbout Us section because I'm
sure people will be wonderinghow that's relevant.
But it is relevant, I promise.
So go to the about us sectionyou can sign up for a free
consult on the top of the page.
We have so many articles, likethe article on Apple, that you
can send to your friends andfamily who are like Apple's
great, apple's amazing.
You can say, well, just readthis and tell me what your
(26:40):
thoughts are.
And lots of other articles onhow to get started, thoughts
about, you know, trackingapplications for our kids.
You know, I was like well, Ineed an alternative to you know,
is there a safer way to trackmy kids where they are at any
given time?
I'm like, no, just that mindsetof needing to know where your
kids are at all the time, I justthink is an unhealthy mindset,
(27:03):
and I have a whole article onthat and I provide the data and
I bring, I bring the receipts, Ibring the facts.
So I just recommend just startlearning about this.
It's a journey, it's a process.
You don't walk into the dojoand say, hey, I need to be a
black belt, I've got two hours.
It's a lifestyle change.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:18):
It takes a lot of education too, doesn't it
?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (27:20):
So people need to get educated.
This is an important topic.
You can't say that you know itdoesn't matter because they
already have all my data.
That's like saying your freedomof speech doesn't matter
because I'm not planning onoffending anybody.
Or my second amendment doesn'tmatter because I'm not planning
on shooting anybody.
Your privacy matters.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:38):
Yes.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (27:39):
No matter what your privacy matters.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:42):
Sean Patrick, I appreciate it, I appreciate
your time and I appreciate yourexpertise and I really
appreciate you being on MoreThan Medicine.
I hope you'll come back andvisit with us again another time
.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (27:53):
I'll be here whenever you want me.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:54):
All right, thank you kindly.
You're listening to More ThanMedicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson.
My guest today is Sean PatrickTarrio, and I'll have him back
again another time, until nextweek.
May the Lord bless you realgood.
Thank you for listening to thisedition of More Than Medicine.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (28:12):
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Family Ministry, dr Jackson'sbooks, or to schedule a speaking
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Dr.Robert Jackson (28:25):
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Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus
is more than enough for the illsthat plague our culture and our
country, hosted by author andphysician, dr Robert Jackson,
and his wife Carlotta anddaughter Hannah Miller.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (00:17):
So listen up, because the doctor is in.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:22):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm delighted to haveactually in the studio with me
today, rather than online a goodfriend of mine, Sean Patrick
Tarrio I think I said it wrongthere and he's going to be our
(00:46):
interview today.
So, Sean Patrick, tell mylisteners a little bit about
yourself and what you do, andthen we'll jump into our topic
for today.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (00:54):
Sure Appreciate that.
Thanks for having me on yourbeautiful compound here, all the
lovely kiddos running aroundand livestock and whatnot.
So what do I do?
So I'm in tech, I'm a geek, Ihave been for a long time and I
run a variety of differentbusinesses, but the primary
business I run is helping peoplemigrate off of Google, apple
(01:15):
and Microsoft.
So that means your devices thatare running iOS or Google
Android and your laptops thatare running MacOS or Microsoft
Windows.
If we're tired of having thesedevices track us, monitor us,
listen to us all the time, weprovide options in form of the
tools that you can use, as wellas the training and education
(01:36):
and training.
So we do a lot of education, alot of training, a lot of
content that we've developed andcreated to help coach people
how to make that migration assimple and seamless as possible.
Dr.Robert Jackson (01:45):
That's right, and you helped me do that two
years ago.
So I have what some folks calla ghost phone that helps me not
to be tracked by the big fivecorporations, and I've been
delighted with that for the lasttwo years, because I don't like
having my information tracked,bought or sold to other major
(02:05):
corporations or even thegovernment, and I really have
appreciated that for the lasttwo years.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (02:11):
Yeah, I think that the key that people I
think are starting tounderstand is that these
companies that we've trusted tocontrol it's really control the
devices that we carry aroundwith us all day, every day are
siphoning all of our information, all of our data, and they're
selling it to the highest bidderon a regular basis.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:31):
Well now, let me ask you this now, since
Trump has been elected, is allof this still a concern for us?
Or should we just heave a bigsigh of relief and say, ah, it
doesn't matter anymore?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (02:43):
Yeah, that's a great question, heave a
big sigh of relief and say, ah,it doesn't matter anymore.
Yeah, that's a great question.
And I think the people who arenot really too concerned about
privacy already as it is, Ithink they have a mindset of, oh
, it'll all get taken care ofthose tend to also be the people
who are really not takingaction.
They're not out making thingshappen.
They're not getting involved intheir local community, trying
to get involved in localpolitics, school board, whatever
(03:03):
it might be.
We kind of call them the NPCs,the non-player characters in the
world, right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (03:09):
So those folks are like those are not my
listeners.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (03:12):
Right, exactly.
So I think those folks, to abig degree, are like well,
trump's elected, I don't need toworry about it, right, I voted
for him, so he'll take care ofit.
And those are the samepoliticians who are continue to
vote people like, unfortunately,lindsey Graham here in South
Carolina in office when we knowhe's a horrible choice to
represent we, the people.
But going back to your question, I think the people that that I
(03:35):
cater to, who are the people onthe front lines of the various
different battlefronts, of bothcultural and spiritual warfare
right now, whether it'santi-human trafficking or
fighting for the J6, prisonerreleases or election integrity,
people who are fighting for thepro-life cause and whatnot.
Those folks are very much awarebecause we've been targeted for
(03:56):
the last four years and, Iwould say, well beyond that.
So those folks are not lettingoff the trigger, they're not
letting off the throttle.
They're still moving forwardand they still understand that
this is a fight that has to befought all day, every day.
Dr.Robert Jackson (04:08):
You're correct.
You're correct, exactly right,all right.
Well now, since the last timeyou and I talked, two years ago,
you helped set up my phone, andwhat has changed since then?
What's been happening sincethen?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (04:19):
So I've been doing a lot of traveling.
Uh, the last we talked, I wasdoing a lot of traveling as well
.
But I'm still traveling aroundat different prepper conferences
.
I'm traveling around todifferent homeschool conferences
.
I'm doing lots of podcasts,trying to just spread the word
and evangelize, to wake peopleup to.
Hey, we know this is a problemand a lot of people will be like
you know.
(04:40):
Yes, I agree that this is aproblem.
No, I'm not okay with thesedevices listening to me all the
time.
But what can I do about it?
Most people just are obliviousthat there's actually options
and solutions in the market thatthey can use to escape, to
start the process and thejourney of migrating off of
their systems and theirtechnology.
(05:00):
But the key mindset there is itis a journey, it's a process.
You don't just buy a tool andthen all of a sudden you're safe
.
You kind of have to think aboutit in terms of, you know,
owning a firearm.
You don't just buy a gun andthen all of a sudden, you're
safe and you're good, right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:15):
You have to practice, you have to practice,
you have to learn how to use thetool.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (05:18):
That's right.
You have to know how to use iteffectively and safely.
So someone is actually, in fact, more of a threat to themselves
and the people around them ifthey have that tool, that weapon
, and they don't trainthemselves.
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:30):
Right, exactly.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (05:31):
And I would say, with these devices, these
phones and these laptops, if youdon't understand how they work
and understand just the basicconcepts of the technology and
you operate in a well, I'm nottech savvy, it's kind of all
just magic to me, right?
If you have that mentality,then you are really more of a
threat than you even know.
Dr.Robert Jackson (05:52):
Yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (05:52):
But because it's this ethereal technology
stuff.
You don't even realize that.
You know I.
I like to say people areblowing their digital head off
all day, every day, and thosearound them and they don't even
know it, they're completelyoblivious to it.
Dr.Robert Jackson (06:07):
I understand what you're saying.
I mean, I have my phone and I'mnot trying to connect, but
every day I get invites fromdifferent organizations that
want me to be on their Googleplatform, for example, and I
have to say, no, I'm sorry, Ican't be a part of that.
And they're like why, why, why?
And I just have to explain tothem and then they look at me
(06:27):
like I've got two heads.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (06:34):
Yeah, and the interesting thing is like if
people invite you to Zoom callsor Microsoft Teams calls or
Google calls All the time.
All the time.
You can still access those.
You just don't need to downloadtheir software.
You don't have to have theirsoftware running on your devices
there are ways to connectthrough your browser that will
allow you to have a firewallbetween your data, your device
and their applications and theirtools.
Dr.Robert Jackson (06:55):
Let me ask you another question, then.
Um Tell, I've been hearing overand over that that there's a
lack of security with Appledevices.
You know Apple's always talkingabout how secure their devices
are.
Is that really true, or dopeople who use Apple phones and
other Apple devices are theyreally experiencing a real lack
(07:20):
of security?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (07:21):
So the short answer is they
fundamentally are experiencing alack of security, and I was.
I was actually on a date nightwith my wife about two months
ago and we were sitting downhaving a meal at the bar of a
restaurant we were at and therewas a tv in the background and
the commercial came on for appleand it was like apple is
privacy and I I literallylaughed out loud, probably
(07:42):
obnoxiously loud because I don'twatch TV very much.
I just saw that article or thatcommercial come up and I'm in
the middle.
I was at that time in themiddle of writing a whole
article exposing all thedifferent ways that Apple is
actually not private, not secure, and that's proven by their
products and the IP that theyhave around their products.
(08:03):
It's proven by the court casesthat they've lost over the last
few years and current courtcases going on.
It's proven by the fact thatthey have a closed source
operating system, so we reallyhave no idea what's happening.
So Apple is private.
Trust us, just believe us.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:20):
Trust us.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (08:21):
Despite the fact that all the evidence
shows that we're not safe andprivate.
It's proven by their app storethat they completely control.
So you can't run anyapplications on their devices
unless they approve it.
And what we saw happen duringCOVID and what we saw happen
over the last couple of years,with all kinds of different
causes, they refused to allowcertain applications to even
(08:42):
exist on their platform becauseit violated their terms of
service Right.
That was.
That was literally determinedby the White House and the CDC
and the you know the, the NHA atthat time.
Dr.Robert Jackson (08:55):
Right.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (08:56):
So there's, and you follow the money of the
company.
Who really owns Apple at theend of the day?
Well, it's the same, it's thesame companies BlackRock,
Vanguard, State Street,Brookshire, Hathaway and who
owns those companies?
Well, they all own each otherright, that's right.
So, as you start following themoney, that's another angle that
I go into in this article.
That's actually up on thewebsite right now.
(09:16):
I'll put a link to your articleon my show notes Show notes yes
, yes, sir, so people can get ahold of those.
Dr.Robert Jackson (09:27):
yeah, that'd be great, because I think people
just need to understand thatthey we live in this illusion
that these you know that apple,specifically because they
they're primary, primary,primary market share owner for
devices right now in the us 60people tell me all the time I
don don't have an Apple devicethat when they talk around their
phone when it's actually cutoff, that when they cut it back
(09:50):
on later, that if they've talkedabout some kind of purchase,
that there will beadvertisements for that purchase
on their phone, even thoughit's been cut off.
Is that true?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (09:59):
100% and you can do.
I encourage your listeners whohave Apple devices.
Run this experiment in your ownhome.
Turn your iPhone off for aSaturday, sunday, whatever your
day of rest might be.
Turn it off, just completelyturn it off, and then start
talking about something new thatyou haven't talked about but
talk about like a big ticketitem right, like I want to buy.
(10:20):
We should buy a lot of gold.
We should buy a lot of gold.
It's hot right now.
We should buy a lot of gold,something that you generally
don't talk about.
Or we should buy real estate inTennessee.
We should move to Tennessee.
We should buy some real estatein Tennessee, something like
that.
But even if it's something like, we have customers who have
done this case study and they'vecome back to us and said we
were talking about crockpots,but we were talking about buying
(10:41):
crockpots, and when they turnall their devices back on, those
are all the ads that they sawis for the things that they were
talking about.
From a turned off phone From aturned off phone.
So this is where people arereally starting to understand
and get that these devices arenot their own.
When you allow someone likeApple to control the operating
system of your device, that isgiving Apple control of your
(11:05):
device.
It is essentially their device.
You pay them for the privilegeto feed them all of your
information and all of your data, and it's not just the device
itself.
This is the other supernefarious thing.
Apple has contracts andagreements with other things,
other Internet of Thingscompanies, so they're picking up
(11:28):
the data from all these otherthings and sharing it with each
other and aggregating all thisinformation so that they can
create a profile on you.
Dr.Robert Jackson (11:37):
Right.
Do you think they sell ourinformation to the government?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (11:40):
Hundred percent Guarantee it.
And you just have to lookthrough the corporate filings
for these companies.
These are publicly tradedcompanies, so you can see how
much money they're making fromthe government sector and our
government has been buying tothe tunes of millions of dollars
, hundreds of millions ofdollars a year.
Information on the Americanpeople.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:00):
Not just from Apple, google and Microsoft and
all the rest, all the rest,Apple's not the only culprit
Facebook 100%.
Yes, yeah, all right.
Well now, well, hold on On thistopic.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (12:10):
I think it's important because when you
start to understand this, a lotof people go to the mindset of
well, they have all my dataanyway, so what can I do about
it?
Right, they have so muchinformation on me so I should
just give up.
It's like so what?
I'll just continue using itbecause they already have it,
I'll keep being a slave.
Yeah, I'll just keep being aslave because they already own
me.
They already own my history, sothey may as well own my future.
(12:32):
That mindset, from a healthperspective, is no different
than saying well, I've alreadybeen eating garbage from the
grocery store for so long, so mechanging my dietary habits
today really isn't going tochange anything into the future.
Right, we know that's aludicrous mindset, because it's
just not factual.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:51):
It doesn't help my patients who've got
diabetes suddenly or just had aheart attack.
I'll look at them and say look,dude, you got to change your
eating habits.
And they say well, doc, I'vebeen eating this way my whole
life.
I said well, it just gave youdiabetes, it just gave you a
heart attack.
You're going to keep doing that, yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (13:07):
Yeah, some things got to change.
Some things got to change.
So I liken it to once youunderstand the ingredients of
the food that you're eating andyou recognize that it's poison.
That's right.
You have to make a consciousdecision.
That's right.
Am I going to continue to eatthe poison and feed my family
the poison, or am I going tomake a change in my life?
Dr.Robert Jackson (13:28):
Yeah.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (13:28):
So these are hard decisions.
It's not easy for people to doit.
Dr.Robert Jackson (13:31):
It's not easy .
It was hard when I went to yourphone because there was so many
things.
I love being able to talk toSiri and tell it to show me how
to get to certain places.
I can't do that anymore.
I had to make a change.
There's a lot of change likelifestyle changes.
Lifestyle changes are hard whenI have to tell them no, you
can't eat Twinkies every day.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (13:51):
Right, right, it's hard.
It is hard for people,especially when you're addicted
to those things.
That's right, and they've madethese things so addictive by
design, exactly right by design.
Dr.Robert Jackson (14:02):
Well, let me ask you about this what about AI
?
Is that something we shouldfear or something we should
embrace?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (14:08):
So I view AI as a tool because it is it's
software, it's code.
At the end of the day, it'sjust code, it's a program that's
designed to do certain things,is it potentially very dangerous
and frightening?
A hundred percent.
Dr.Robert Jackson (14:23):
It totally is Just like a gun, exactly.
A gun can protect you or it canhurt you.
Yes, it just depends on who'susing it and how they use it.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (14:30):
Right, and the important thing that people
need to understand is, if youdon't start leveraging these
tools and using these tools notfor everybody, but for a lot of
people, especially workingprofessionals they can make you
exponentially more efficient.
So, when you're talking to Siriand you say, hey, siri,
(14:54):
navigate me to whatever, or likeyou know what's my calendar
look like for today, right, thatis an AI tool that's giving you
back that information.
It's looking through your files, your information.
It's feeding you proactivelythings that you might want to
know.
So that is just a programthat's running.
Who controls that program?
Who runs that program?
Do you have ownership of thedata that you're feeding into
(15:15):
that system or are you feedingit into Apple and Google and
OpenAI and, essentially, ourgovernment?
And what people I think somepeople have learned is that
OpenAI and ChatGPT, for example,is actually controlled and
owned by our government.
And the big reason why theventure capital in Silicon
(15:37):
Valley backed Trump is becausethey sat down with the White
House the Kamala Harris campaignand they made it very clear
that they have all theseinvestments and all these
different AI platforms andagents.
And Kamala Harris and our WhiteHouse straight up told them we
don't care, we're backing openAI, we're backing chat GPT
(15:59):
because we can control it,because we can dictate what the
truth is on that platform andwhat it is not.
And that happens.
I literally had it happen thismorning that platform and what
it is not, and that happens.
I literally had it happen thismorning.
I still use chat GPT to testthings and I do it in a secure
way just to see what's happeningon that platform, and I use
other private LLMs and AI toolsas well.
But I went in and I tried to doan image of Biden when he got
(16:21):
lost on stage, remember, and Ihave a screenshot of that Fox
News article or program where hewas like lost on stage and it
says Biden gets lost on stageliterally right, yeah, and I put
that into the system and thesystem said I'm sorry, I can't
recreate this image for you.
This is politically motivated.
And I said okay, and I took asimilar image that has come out
(16:44):
recently of Trump right, doingsomething.
It did it, no questions askedright so I started a
conversation with it and I saidit's interesting to me that you
claim to not be politicallymotivated and yet you're totally
freely, willingly, open tocreating an image against trump,
but you're not willing to do itagainst a former president
biden.
Does that, do you notunderstand from a logical
(17:05):
perspective?
And you start having an, anengagement with, and it says I
can understand your concern.
However, I can guarantee youthat blah, blah, blah, blah,
blah.
But you know it's biased.
Yes, right, yes, so that goesinto anything.
You just have to understandthat this is a tool.
Who owns the tool?
Who runs the tool?
Who's programming the tool?
What is the logic behind thetool, and if the the tool is run
by a bunch of woke, crazyglobalists?
Dr.Robert Jackson (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, Well, now is Trump going to open
that up to the private sector?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (17:31):
So he's yes is the short answer so he's
keeping that industry open right.
Which is why this is the onlyreason why I brought it up right
.
So why the venture capitalcompanies back to Trump?
Because they're like well, atleast Trump's going to be far
more free market minded thansaying we're going to go full on
communist and only have asource for truth and push this
(17:51):
system that's completely wokeinto all of the government
agencies and all the governmenttools.
Dr.Robert Jackson (17:57):
I got you, so it is a tool.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (17:59):
To your point, ai is a tool.
I liken it actually not just toa firearm, but like to the
advent of gunpowder.
Right, you can either say, likethe samurais, I'm not going to
use.
We're going to hold to ourvalues and our tradition.
We're not going to usegunpowder, we're not going to
use weapons.
Very honorable stance.
How many samurai exist in theworld today?
(18:21):
That's right.
Right.
They got annihilated becausethey would not evolve their
weaponry Right.
So this is a weapon.
It is a weapon, we have to viewit as such and we have to use
it to defend ourselves.
So, as these tools are nowbecoming more integrated,
private, secure versions ofthese tools that are not woke on
the back end are being runinside your home, for example.
(18:44):
They can actually defend yourhome from outside attacks, right
?
So instead of your server oryour home router becoming just
another node in the big DDoSattacks, which are big network
attacks, it will actually defendyour home and the devices
within your home and be able toevolve accordingly.
So when we can learn how to usethis software and this
(19:08):
technology to our benefit,that's where we can really be on
par and fight back and not justbe annihilated off the
battlefield.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:16):
Interesting, Interesting.
All right, let me move to thenext thing.
What about Signal?
You know this whole issue withthe government officials who
allowed a news reporter to be ona Signal chat group.
Is Signal really safe?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (19:35):
That is a great question.
So Signal is like 99% opensource.
I think this is important.
Most people use Signal.
We hear people saying, well,you should use Signal, push the
Signal, use Signal.
Signal saves Signal's opensource.
There is a piece of the Signalcode that is not open source.
And people will also say, well,signal was invented by the CIA.
(19:57):
So can we really trust it?
And, to be honest with you, Idon't trust the CIA at all.
The history kind of proves thatthey shouldn't be trusted.
Dr.Robert Jackson (20:06):
That's right, that's correct.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (20:08):
But you have to realize Signal as a
technology.
If you look at the coretechnology end-to-end encryption
that has been vetted and thattechnology is a great means of
secure communications thequestion really comes into this
small piece of their code thatis closed source.
And the reason why it's closedsource is because if they open
(20:31):
source that part of their code,it allows for spammers.
It allows for people who wantto come in and gain access to
your comms and your networkwithin your device Essentially
the keys of the kingdom.
They understand the algorithmthat's being used so they can
hack it essentially.
(20:56):
So if you're willing to trustthat that code that is being
kept secret is not being usedfor nefarious purposes it's not
been compromised, it's not beencompromised then we can trust
Signal.
But I would say it is um, it's.
I still use it.
I still have a lot of people onit that I communicate with on a
regular basis.
If I want to have reallyone-on-one conversations with
(21:19):
people that are truly secure,I'm going to come to your house
I'm going to talk to you face toface, all my stuff away and
we're going to go walk down tothe river and we're going to go
have a conversation.
I understand that.
But what people, I think reallyfundamentally have to
understand is that your digitalprivacy and security is no
different than your physicalprivacy and security of interest
(21:52):
, then it's worth it to have themeans and the money and the
motive to come out and find youand hack into your stuff and
find creative ways to get intoall of your stuff, Right?
So it may be that signal andTucker Carlson, for example,
knows that he was hacked throughsignal and he will freely
acknowledge that how he gothacked actually is because he
had the Pegasus spyware softwarethat was downloaded onto his
(22:15):
iPhone device and that gave freereign access to certain people
to have information pulling offhis phone, right?
So it's not that Signal wascompromised.
It's because he received a linkfrom somebody through Signal.
He downloaded, he clicked onthat link, which downloaded a
file onto his device, which thengave the access.
Dr.Robert Jackson (22:38):
I understand.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (22:39):
So when you start following the tech and
you start following the threadsand start asking you know, I was
the kid in school that did thehomework when you do the
homework on this and you don'tjust read the headline, right
right, tucker, carlson, hackedthrough signal right, people
like oh, signal's bad, right,well, is it bad when?
when I talk to the different uhoperation sec so the infosec
(23:02):
people, the people who do youknow security, online security
the consensus is that signal isto be trusted, it it's safe.
It's secure, the technology'ssolid.
There is, though, this questionaround the code that is closed
source that they won't share.
There might be something goingon there.
There might not be, I don'tknow.
There's other secure ways tocommunicate that are far more
(23:26):
secure, I would say, that arefar more secure, I would say,
and they're just a little bitmore difficult for people to
download, install and startusing.
Dr.Robert Jackson (23:34):
And more expensive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (23:35):
Not necessarily more expensive.
You just have to have a littlebit more technical know-how.
Dr.Robert Jackson (23:39):
I see.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (23:39):
Right, I see.
So you can set up your ownserver and you can start running
your own private comms.
But for the lay person gettingthem to install the app and then
log into that account and thenstart using it, it's not as
simple and easy as using Signalor Telegram or X or any of these
other accounts.
Dr.Robert Jackson (23:57):
I understand that I do.
All right, we're running out oftime.
You got any last comments youwant to make.
I appreciate all this.
Your technical expertise isimpressive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (24:07):
Yeah, I would just say keep fighting the
good fight.
And if you're out there andyou're wondering what tools are
available, please just check outthe website mark37.com.
I have spent hundreds of hourscreating documentation and
literature and articles thatwill help A expose everything
that's going on so you canoperate with your eyes wide open
(24:30):
and then B start taking actionin a step-by-step methodical way
, with guides through the wholething, so that you can track
your progress and take littlebits off as you can, and a lot.
I would say.
95% of the customers I talk towith people who just want to
have a conversation, which weoffer free consults.
(24:50):
If you go to the top of thewebpage, you can sign up to talk
to me for free for about 15, 30minutes.
Everyone starts thatconversation.
Sean, I'm not tech savvy.
Just like me, just like me,exactly like you.
I'm not tech savvy.
I don't know if I can do this,and I steer people in two
directions.
I get to know them.
(25:14):
Sometimes I say you know what?
A smartphone, carrying around areally high tech device.
That's super complicated may notbe the best fit for you,
Because if all you're doing isphone calls and all you're doing
is texting every now and againand everything else you do can
be done from your laptop,doesn't necessarily have to be
done from your phone, and youcan get a Garmin GPS for your
car.
You don't need a smartphone.
Get a flip phone.
People's lives need to besimplified.
(25:38):
We don't need to overlycomplicate things.
So I'm coaching people to justbe simple.
Let's go simple.
Let's not overcomplicate.
You don't have to worry aboutVPNs and have to worry about all
these things that justovercomplicate.
If you can simplify and if it'scausing you stress, try to get
it out of your life.
Yep, yep.
So why stress yourself out andprobably get sick as a result of
(26:00):
it and make your life morecomplicated?
Dr.Robert Jackson (26:03):
And more expensive.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (26:04):
And more expensive when you can simplify.
Dr.Robert Jackson (26:06):
All right and give them the website again.
So if somebody's interested inone of your phone devices, that
will give them secrecy andprivacy, how do they get in
touch with you?
It's mark37.com.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (26:18):
It's from Scripture Mark 3, 7.
And we explain that on ourAbout Us section because I'm
sure people will be wonderinghow that's relevant.
But it is relevant, I promise.
So go to the about us sectionyou can sign up for a free
consult on the top of the page.
We have so many articles, likethe article on Apple, that you
can send to your friends andfamily who are like Apple's
great, apple's amazing.
You can say, well, just readthis and tell me what your
(26:40):
thoughts are.
And lots of other articles onhow to get started, thoughts
about, you know, trackingapplications for our kids.
You know, I was like well, Ineed an alternative to you know,
is there a safer way to trackmy kids where they are at any
given time?
I'm like, no, just that mindsetof needing to know where your
kids are at all the time, I justthink is an unhealthy mindset,
(27:03):
and I have a whole article onthat and I provide the data and
I bring, I bring the receipts, Ibring the facts.
So I just recommend just startlearning about this.
It's a journey, it's a process.
You don't walk into the dojoand say, hey, I need to be a
black belt, I've got two hours.
It's a lifestyle change.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:18):
It takes a lot of education too, doesn't it
?
Sean Patrick Tarrio (27:20):
So people need to get educated.
This is an important topic.
You can't say that you know itdoesn't matter because they
already have all my data.
That's like saying your freedomof speech doesn't matter
because I'm not planning onoffending anybody.
Or my second amendment doesn'tmatter because I'm not planning
on shooting anybody.
Your privacy matters.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:38):
Yes.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (27:39):
No matter what your privacy matters.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:42):
Sean Patrick, I appreciate it, I appreciate
your time and I appreciate yourexpertise and I really
appreciate you being on MoreThan Medicine.
I hope you'll come back andvisit with us again another time
.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (27:53):
I'll be here whenever you want me.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:54):
All right, thank you kindly.
You're listening to More ThanMedicine.
I'm your host, dr RobertJackson.
My guest today is Sean PatrickTarrio, and I'll have him back
again another time, until nextweek.
May the Lord bless you realgood.
Thank you for listening to thisedition of More Than Medicine.
Sean Patrick Tarrio (28:12):
For more information about the Jackson
Family Ministry, dr Jackson'sbooks, or to schedule a speaking
engagement, go to theirFacebook page, instagram or
their webpage atjacksonfamilyministrycom.
Dr.Robert Jackson (28:25):
This podcast is produced by Bob Slone Audio
Production at bobslone.
com.
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