May 17, 2025 • 29 mins
Carbon capture pipelines represent one of the most significant threats to American property rights and rural communities that few people know about. In this eye-opening conversation with Rebecca Terrell, senior editor for the New American Magazine, we dive deep into the disturbing reality behind the government's plan to install 96,000 miles of carbon dioxide pipelines across America.
What begins as a discussion about a documentary quickly reveals a multi-layered assault on private property, local sovereignty, and basic safety. When a carbon capture pipeline ruptured in Satarsha, Mississippi in 2020, it created an invisible, odorless cloud of carbon dioxide that displaced oxygen, causing people to collapse and rendering emergency vehicles inoperable. This wasn't an anomaly – it's the inherent danger of these pipelines that transport CO2 under extreme pressure (2200 PSI).
Behind the environmental facade lies a simple motivation: billions in government subsidies. The Biden administration increased payouts to $85 per ton of captured carbon, creating an irresistible financial incentive for companies like Summit Carbon Solutions to seize farmland through eminent domain. Even more shocking is the scientific reality that carbon capture actually increases overall emissions, requiring 1.5-2 times more energy than it saves – a fact acknowledged even by prominent climate activists.
The conversation takes a revealing turn when Terrell connects these pipelines to UN Agenda 2030 and explains how international interests have been quietly implementing control through seemingly benign "comprehensive planning" and "smart growth" initiatives in virtually every county across America. What appears local is actually global.
Yet amid this troubling landscape, there's genuine hope. Farmers in the Midwest have organized, run for office, and successfully passed legislation protecting their property rights. "This is their 1776 moment," Terrell explains, as ordinary Americans discover what it truly means to stand together against powerful interests.
Watch "Unearthing the CO2 Pipeline" for free until May 21st at standyourground.watch or purchase the DVD at jbs.org. Share this crucial information with your local officials – especially county commissioners and sheriffs – because the battle for America's future begins in your own backyard.
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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome to More Than Medicine, where Jesus is more
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Hosted by author and physician,dr Robert Jackson, and his wife
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Dr.Robert Jackson (00:22):
Welcome to More Than Medicine.
I'm your host, Dr RobertJackson, bringing to you
biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm privileged to haveonline with me today a good
friend, Ms Rebecca Terrell,who's been with us in the past.
Ms Rebecca, welcome to MoreThan Medicine.
Rebecca Terrell (00:43):
Thank you so much.
It's great to be back with you.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:46):
Well, I'm delighted to have you and first
of all, I want to ask you totell my listeners a little bit
about yourself, to remind themabout who you are and what you
do, before we dive into ourtopic for the day.
Rebecca Terrell (00:58):
Absolutely Well , I am a senior editor for the
New American Magazine that isthe magazine of the John Birch
Society, for the New AmericanMagazine that is the magazine of
the John Birch Society.
And I am also a previousemployee, previous staff member
of Congressman Ron Paul's officeand I authored his bill to get
us out of the United Nations.
So that's kind of my claim tofame.
Dr.Robert Jackson (01:19):
I get you.
Rebecca Terrell (01:21):
That's what people like to talk about, right
?
No-transcript.
Dr.Robert Jackson (01:47):
And just I know that you've called me today
to yeah, I want you to talkabout a documentary actually
that I saw recently, and give methe title exactly of the
documentary that you narrated?
Rebecca Terrell (02:04):
Right.
The documentary is calledUnearthing the CO2 Pipeline and
it's produced by the John BirchSociety.
It's part of our Stand yourGround series.
We're going to be producingmore like this, but it is a
documentary about something thatis coming to everyone's
backyard and we're trying tomake people aware of it, trying
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to warn people of the dangers.
And the nice thing about thedocumentary is, even though it
contains some pretty tough newsto hear, it is not without hope.
We know exactly what we can doabout it.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:38):
Well, I'm telling you that documentary,
miss Rebecca.
It elicited from me a verystrong visceral reaction.
I'm going to tell you why.
My family in the lower part ofthe state of South Carolina is a
farming family and they'vefarmed property that they've
owned for over 100 years, andthe farm there is extensive I
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mean they farm 1,200 plus acres.
And if what happens there inIowa, nebraska, south Dakota,
that's described in thisdocumentary were to happen in
the lower part of the state ofSouth Carolina to some of my
farming family there in thisstate and friends of our family,
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I can imagine that it wouldcreate a great brouhaha.
And so it really really hithome to me when I listened to
this documentary.
So let's describe to mylisteners exactly what's
happening out there in theNorthwest.
Rebecca Terrell (03:47):
Right, Absolutely Well, right now it is
absolutely happening in theCorn Belt, what we call the
Great Plains.
So North Dakota, South Dakota,Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota are
being targeted right now.
We have to remember that theDepartment of Energy published a
report in 2022 saying they planto implement, to install 96,000
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miles of this pipeline acrossthe United States of America.
There is not one state thatwill not be affected by their
plans and, of course, you knowthe reason.
They're doing this to capturecarbon dioxide, to save Mother
Earth from all of us greedy,blood-sucking humans.
Right, Humans are the problem.
That's always the message ofall of the environmental
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silliness and you know that whenthat's the message that humans
are the evil on Earth, that'snot a message from God.
That's right.
That's a message from hisadversary, right, that's a
message from his adversary.
So that's ultimately whatthey're doing.
They're trying, they want tocapture carbon dioxide from
industrial facilities andsequester it deep underground in
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underground caverns.
There are so many problems withthis.
The first, first of all, carbondioxide is not a pollutant as
we know.
It is very, very necessary toall life on Earth.
It feeds our food.
It is plant food.
We know that from the historicrecord.
We know that increases intemperature globally precede
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they don't follow, they precedeincreases in atmospheric carbon
dioxide.
We know that in greenhousesthey funnel in carbon dioxide to
make the plants healthier Right.
So, we know that carbon dioxidewe know this from from our
elementary school biology.
You know science classes thatcarbon dioxide is a plant food.
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It's very necessary to life onEarth.
Oxide is a plant food.
It's very necessary to life onEarth.
And what they're doing whenthey capture the emissions from
these industrial facilities outthere in the Corn Belt?
They're capturing it fromethanol plants and they condense
it into its liquefied formunder very high pressure, about
2200 PSI.
Think about the PSI in your cartire and that gives you an idea
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of how much exponentiallylarger this pressure is.
They want to funnel thissupercritical it's called
supercritical CO2 in thatliquefied, pressurized state and
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they want to send it thousandsof miles away to sequester it
underground.
Supposedly Now we already havecarbon capture.
It's been around for decadesand it's been regulated by the
federal government for decades.
But it's always been used on amicro level and very short
pipeline paths from industrialfacilities like, for instance,
an oil refinery, and theycondense the CO2 down and make
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fracking fluid out of it wherethey inject it into otherwise
depleted oil and gas wells.
So we already have 5,000 milesof carbon capture pipeline in
this country.
But we also have a historyBecause of that we have a
history and we know what happenswhen there are accidents with
these pipelines and they are notgood.
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When carbon, supercriticalcarbon dioxide when a pipeline
ruptures and that supercriticalmaterial hits the atmosphere, it
immediately turns back into agas, but it's heavier than air.
Think of dry ice that's carbondioxide.
Or think of your fireextinguisher in your kitchen.
(07:30):
If you pull it out to put out afire, you're shooting carbon
dioxide onto that fire, but itis heavier than air.
It sticks to the ground and itstill acts like liquid.
It still flows.
And in February of 2020, therewas an accident outside a little
village in Satarsha,mississippi, and that's where we
start our documentary.
(07:51):
We tell the story of whathappened because that
supercritical CO2 transformedrapidly into its gaseous state,
flowed right down into thatvillage and people started
dropping and, of course, itwasn't in the same concentration
everywhere.
People are gagging for air.
They run to get in their carsto drive away.
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The car won't start becauseyour car needs oxygen.
An internal combustion enginedoesn't work in an
oxygen-depleted environment.
So you know they're calling 911.
911 doesn't know what to do.
They've never experiencedanything like this.
That's right.
The emergency crews couldn'tget there.
Their cars shut down theirvehicle emergency vehicles shut
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down, that's right, I'm sorrythe ambulance wouldn't work.
In fact, I interviewed one ofthe emergency crew and he said
they had to.
They just get out of theirvehicles.
They had special oxygen tanksthat they were wearing to be
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able to breathe.
Actually, they were reacting.
They still didn't know what wasgoing on, they hadn't figured
out what was going on yet.
But they went in there withtheir special breathing
apparatus and you know, thefunny thing was no one knew if
you were going to shelter inplace.
The thing to do would be to goto the second floor of your
house as if it was a flood,because that's the way the
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carbon dioxide acts it'sodorless, it's invisible.
You know this cloud comes in.
You can't see.
Now they did.
You will hear the people ofsatarsha talk about.
They saw the cloud, but that'sbecause the rupture tore a 40
foot deep hole in the ground andall of that debris was flying
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through the air.
So that's what they were seeing, but actually carbon dioxide
was invisible.
It's invisible and it's also youcan't smell it.
Now, in this case, they did.
The company that was using itwas Denberry Resources, which
was an oil and gas company.
They actually capture carbonfrom a dormant volcano called
(10:01):
the Jackson Dome down therenearby Satarsha, and they funnel
it and they use it for frackingfluid.
That's a process calledenhanced oil recovery.
But now it's changed, and thereason it's changed is not
because these companies arethinking oh, we want to save
Mother Earth, we want to spendour money and help save Mother
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Earth.
There's no altruistic motiveand there's also no market
potential to bury carbon dioxideunderneath the earth and not
use it for anything.
So there's no marketingpotential for them.
These are for-profit companiesthat want to put in these
pipelines.
So you can guess why they wantto do this it's because of
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billions of dollars ingovernment subsidies that the
Biden administration madeavailable to them.
Now these government subsidieshave been around for a long time
, but every single presidentialadministration since they were
first implemented in the 1990shas upped the amount of subsidy
available to pipeline companies.
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The Biden administration uppedit from what Trump had.
Upped it to $50 per ton ofcarbon captured.
Now Biden upped it to $85 perton, and we're talking about
millions of tons of carbondioxide that are potentially
collected, and this is anotherthing.
Potentially collected, and thisis another thing.
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The companies who get thesesubsidies don't have to prove
that their numbers are accurate.
They can just say I captured amillion, I captured two million.
They can say whatever they wantto.
A lot of the subsidies are inthe form of tax credits, but
there's also been a direct payloophole added to the IRS tax
code 45Q.
If the company so chooses, itcan forego the tax credit and
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get cash in hand.
So literally billions ofdollars funneled to these
companies.
So that's their incentive fordoing this.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:03):
What do they do with the CO2?
Is there any useful purposeother than fracking?
Rebecca Terrell (12:08):
Well, like I said, they're planning on
sequestering it deep underground, so it can't hurt Mother Earth,
so it can't go back into theatmosphere and cause global
warming, which, again, as weknow, it doesn't cause global
warming.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:22):
So it's all a ruse and it's just a way to
steal money out of thetaxpayer's wallet.
Rebecca Terrell (12:29):
It is, but that's not the only.
That is the immediate, or wemight say the micro motivation
is to get that money, to gettaxpayer money.
But the bigger picture is theland grab that's going on
Because you know, city folkmight say, oh, you can just bury
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the pipe through farm.
North Dakota, south Dakotathey're fighting, fighting,
fighting.
Nebraska has its hands tiedbecause years ago farmers signed
(13:13):
easements with a gas pipeline,a natural gas pipeline, and
that's installed and beenworking.
They didn't realize that whatthey were signing said we can do
anything we want to.
We can change this pipeline toanything we want to in the
future.
You have no say in it.
We own it, we own the land, youhave the tax liability for it
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and you have the insuranceliability for it.
But we get to use it however wewish.
And now they're turning thatnatural gas pipeline into a
carbon capture pipeline.
Dr.Robert Jackson (13:50):
I see and.
Rebecca Terrell (13:50):
Nebraska can say nothing.
It's very scary that actuallythat point did not make it into
the documentary.
There's so many, so many layersof the story.
It was hard and we wanted totell the story as completely but
succinctly as possible.
Dr.Robert Jackson (14:06):
So it's inside.
Rebecca Terrell (14:07):
The documentary runs about 54 or 55 minutes, so
there's even more to the storythat we just didn't have time to
fit in, but it's coming.
They're taking these people'sproperty by eminent domain or
they're trying to South Dakotajust recently, the legislature,
these farmers were up in armsand ran for office.
(14:30):
People who thought they'd neveryou know, never imagined they'd
get into politics have run foroffice and they have displaced
some incumbents and taken overthe legislature.
It's really a beautiful storyand they most recently passed a
bill saying no eminent domainfor carbon capture pipelines.
So they have outlawed it in thestate of South Dakota.
It is really standing.
(14:50):
That state is standing as abulwark against this and is
there to be commended.
But poor Nebraska can't doanything because they already
signed these easements.
There's nothing to be done.
It's kind of grandfathered in.
Dr.Robert Jackson (15:02):
Man.
That is shocking.
Rebecca Terrell (15:18):
Yeah, the easements are very, very evil
man.
That is shocking any futuregenerations their right to use
that land as they see fit.
People don't understand whenthey're signing these easements
and they get that one time ormaybe a few years worth of
payout on it.
It's selling your birthrightfor that cup of soup.
Dr.Robert Jackson (15:40):
That's exactly right, exactly right.
I see that.
I do see that.
And now people have beenfighting back and failing in so
many places.
I was listening to thedocumentary and I was seeing the
frustration in the voices andfaces of people who are trying
to fight back against this hugecorporation.
(16:01):
Now, what was the name of thiscorporation?
Rebecca Terrell (16:06):
was the name of this corporation Right.
The one particular pipelinecompany that's highlighted right
now is called Summit CarbonSolutions.
It's not the only pipelinecompany in this game, but it's
the one that's fighting thefight, so to speak, throughout
the Midwest right now.
All the others are, I think,kind of holding back.
In fact, navigator CO2 Venturesalso had contracts with a lot
of ethanol plants but because ofthe pushback in South Dakota
(16:31):
they pulled out and they sold alot of their ethanol plant
contracts to Summit.
I think companies likeNavigator and there are others
are waiting to see how thingsplay out because once Summit
achieves victory which is whatthey're planning they can step
in and not have all the legalbattles that Summit's having to
(16:53):
fight right now.
Summit Carbon Solutions is verysignificant because it's owned
by a man named Bruce Rastetter.
He Politico years ago calledhim the Iowa kingmaker because
he has put so many people withhis millions of dollars.
He's put so many people inpositions of power in Iowa.
He also has friends in otherstates.
Doug Burgum, former governor ofNorth Dakota and now the
(17:17):
interior secretary under Trump,is big friends with him, has
been a big promoter of carboncapture and is also a big
promoter of this blue hydrogen,which is another eco boondoggle
where they're just funnelingmoney to their corporate friends
taxpayer money for somethingthat is absolutely it's
absolutely inane to believe thatwe can switch from a fossil
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fuel-based economy to a hydrogeneconomy when it takes three
units of electricity to produceevery two units of hydrogen
power.
Yeah, I mean, right there, youcan see that that's what's
called deficit spending, right,yeah, that's foolishness which
is what we've become very goodat, isn't it?
um?
So I mean, our federalgovernment really has become our
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, our enemy, because it takestaxpayer money and it basically
launders it, and funnels it tocorporate cronies, and we're
seeing this happen time and timeagain.
It's happening with carboncapture.
Hydrogen extraction is calledblue, not because it's a
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carbon-free process, but becausethey capture the carbon dioxide
and bury it underground.
And that's what makes it quoteclean.
Even though it's not clean, ituses a lot of energy, and so
does carbon capture.
The amount of energy that hasto be used from a coal or
gas-fired power plant to achievethis carbon capture is one and
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a half to two times.
It emits one and a half to twotimes as much carbon as is
captured, and that'sdemonstrably true.
We know this.
This has been proven.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:05):
Over and over .
Rebecca Terrell (19:07):
On paper, you know, with numbers, and that's
exactly what's happening.
And that is why you're going tofind groups like the Sierra
Club and even Al Gore sayingcarbon capture is a non-solution
, it's dangerous, it'sridiculous.
I mean Al Gore has come outvery strongly against carbon
capture and I mean you can't geta bigger tree hugger than he is
(19:30):
right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:31):
Yeah.
Rebecca Terrell (19:32):
So if you've got left and right and the odd
thing is it's mostly Republicanswho are pushing this carbon
capture.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:40):
Well, it's because there's so much they're
getting paid off somewhere.
They're making money on itsomewhere themselves.
Rebecca Terrell (19:47):
Right, exactly.
It's just like Kristi Noem, theformer governor of South Dakota
, who is now Homeland SecurityDirector and campaigned on
private property rights.
You know, she's the cowgirl andshe's got that hat on, she's on
the horse and she's telling youwhat a wonderful American she
is.
And she did keep her state openduring COVID, right?
She made headlines for that.
(20:07):
She became famous because ofthat.
But when it came to carboncapture pipelines, she sold them
out.
Not only did she tell thefarmers, she told one of the
farmers I can't fight all yourbattles but she also signed a
bill into law that was laterrescinded in the 2024 election
by the voters of South Dakota,but signed a bill into law
(20:31):
saying that these carbon capturepipeline companies could come
in and take land, take privateland by eminent domain, because
of course, this is for thepublic good.
We're going to save MotherEarth.
No, we're not.
That's ridiculous and so.
But she actually came out later,bruce Rastetter, summit Carbon
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Solutions was one of theplatinum sponsors of her second
inaugurational ball and she'salso invested in one of the
pipeline companies with whichSummit Carbon Solutions.
I mean one of the ethanolplants I should say, I'm sorry,
not pipeline One of the ethanolplants with which Summit Carbon
Solutions I mean one of theethanol plants I should say
sorry, not pipeline companiesone of the ethanol plants with
which Summit Carbon Solutionshas a contract.
How do you spell conflict ofinterest?
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See how deep it goes.
Dr.Robert Jackson (21:19):
Yeah, I see, I understand.
Now go back to listen to AlexNewman on that documentary
talking about the big pictureand what the end game is.
We got about four or five moreminutes Talk about that again.
Rebecca Terrell (21:37):
Yeah, that's absolutely important.
We know that all of this isvery clearly spelled out in
Agenda 2030, the SustainableDevelopment Goals of Agenda 2030
.
These plans came down from thatdocument.
They were implemented, actually, during Bill Clinton's campaign
.
You don't have to take my wordfor it.
Look up the Millennium Papersfrom 1998.
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These were the findings of BillClinton's presidential
commission to implement Agenda21 in this country.
Agenda 21 is the umbrelladocument that George Bush
President George Bush signed usonto, and his presidential
commission was led by a mannamed J Gary Lawrence.
(22:20):
He is quoted in the MillenniumPapers as saying we're not going
to call it Local Agenda 21because that will bring out all
the conspiracy crackpots.
We're going to call itcomprehensive planning or smart
growth.
And they did it.
Their NGOs, funded by our taxdollars.
The NGOs from the UnitedNations came in with all the
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glossy print and everything.
They approached countycommissioners and city
councilmen all across ourcountry.
They said, oh, look at all thissustainable development.
We want to help you groweconomically.
And, of course, the citycouncilmen they don't know.
They don't know that it'scoming from the UN.
It doesn't say Local Agenda 21.
They specifically hid that nameon purpose.
So they're like oh yeah, thislooks great.
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Every single city and countyacross this country.
I challenge you to find onethat does not have a UN-inspired
comprehensive plan or smartgrowth plan.
And you will find them by allthe buzzwords, things like
sustainable development andsingle-use cars and things like
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this, all the little buzzwordsthat are.
We have to save Mother Earthand that's what we have to do.
We have to go to our citycouncilmen, to our county
commissioners.
Show this documentary.
This documentary will do thehard work for you, explain
what's happening.
This documentary will do thehard work for you.
Explain what's happening.
And then we need to get rid ofthese smart growth and
comprehensive plans because theyare implementing.
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They're already doing it.
They're sectioning off certainareas of different cities around
our country into 15-minutecities, again another brainchild
of the UN.
After the 2015 Paris climateconference, carlos Moreno
introduced the 15-minute cityconcept, completely endorsed by
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the UN.
They're even building 15-minutecities from the ground up.
There's a project called theLEAP project outside Lebanon,
indiana.
It is L-E-A-P.
You can go look it up online.
It's funded by the IndianaEconomic Development Commission,
which has headquarters officesin China, europe and Israel.
The Indiana EconomicDevelopment Commission.
(24:30):
You can't make this stuff up.
You can go on their website andfind it.
It's insane.
So if you doubt theinternational origins of all of
this, just don't take my wordfor it.
Go look it up online.
Dr.Robert Jackson (24:42):
You can't see me, but I'm shaking my head
back and forth in disgust.
Rebecca Terrell (24:46):
Right.
So I mean this is, but thisdocumentary is a great tool.
It's very easy to watch I thinkyou'll agree, it's inside an
hour and we need to reallyexpose this to our city
councilmen and our countycommissioners so they have their
eyes wide open and they can see.
Okay, we need to get rid ofthis and we need to implement
something that's truly good forour safety, for our economic
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development and for oursovereignty.
Dr.Robert Jackson (25:11):
Well, now the video ended up on a positive
note, so tell my listeners howthat happened, because I was
very encouraged when I finishedlistening to it.
Rebecca Terrell (25:19):
Absolutely.
One thing that the farmers haveall told me is that they are,
even though they have had hugefights on their hand, they now
realize what it means to reallybe American.
They have come together, theyhave formed a family that
they'll have for the rest oftheir lives and for future
generations.
This is their 1776 moment, soto speak, and it has really been
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character building.
It's a wonderful exercise inpatriotism and in the growth of
local and regional families thatfight for their true freedom,
for their true liberty and forthe freedom of future
generations.
Dr.Robert Jackson (26:02):
Well, I could see we, the people, coming
together on that documentary, asI saw just regular, average
red-blooded Americans joiningtogether at the precinct level,
the county and state level, todefend their property and their
family heritage.
And it was a beautiful thing,and they won at multiple levels
(26:24):
against this huge corporationand against judges and
legislators that were arrayedagainst them, and I just
rejoiced on their behalf.
All right, now tell mylisteners how they can get a
hold of this video, thisdocumentary.
Rebecca Terrell (26:39):
Yes, very simple Go to standyourground.
watch.
It's not com or net, it'sstandyourground.
watch and you can watch it therefor free until May 21st.
It's going to be available forpurchase.
Afterwards.
It's already available forpurchase on DVD at jbsorg.
(27:02):
That stands for John BirchSociety, so jbsorg.
So if you do want to purchase aDVD, you can do so there.
But, again, while it'savailable for free, we're
encouraging everybody.
Share it with as many people asyou possibly can.
Every American needs to knowwhat's in this documentary and
especially, like I said, ourcity and councilmen and our
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sheriffs, our local sheriffs,everything.
The battle here is being foughton the county level, very, very
much so because they know theinternationalists know that the
way our founding fathers set upour government, so much power is
rooted locally, and they didthat on purpose, because we have
a lot more control over ourgovernment if our government is
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headquartered at the local level.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:47):
Nobody in a white hat and a white horse is
coming to rescue us.
If we don't do it ourselves atthe county level, it's not going
to happen, Right?
Well, Ms Rebecca, I'm justpleased and delighted to hear
about the documentary and Iappreciate you coming to More
Than Medicine to tell us aboutit.
I encourage my listeners to goand obtain the documentary and
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watch it and share it with allyour friends.
I think it's very worth theirwhile.
All right, you're listening toMore Than Medicine.
My guest today is RebeccaTerrell with the New American.
Miss Rebecca, thank you againfor your time.
Rebecca Terrell (28:25):
Thank you so much, I appreciate it.
Dr.Robert Jackson (28:27):
All right, we'll be back again next week
and until then, may the Lordbless you.
Real good.
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biblical insights and storiesfrom the country doctor's rusty,
dusty scrapbook.
Well, I'm privileged to haveonline with me today a good
friend, Ms Rebecca Terrell,who's been with us in the past.
Ms Rebecca, welcome to MoreThan Medicine.
Rebecca Terrell (00:43):
Thank you so much.
It's great to be back with you.
Dr.Robert Jackson (00:46):
Well, I'm delighted to have you and first
of all, I want to ask you totell my listeners a little bit
about yourself, to remind themabout who you are and what you
do, before we dive into ourtopic for the day.
Rebecca Terrell (00:58):
Absolutely Well , I am a senior editor for the
New American Magazine that isthe magazine of the John Birch
Society, for the New AmericanMagazine that is the magazine of
the John Birch Society.
And I am also a previousemployee, previous staff member
of Congressman Ron Paul's officeand I authored his bill to get
us out of the United Nations.
So that's kind of my claim tofame.
Dr.Robert Jackson (01:19):
I get you.
Rebecca Terrell (01:21):
That's what people like to talk about, right
?
No-transcript.
Dr.Robert Jackson (01:47):
And just I know that you've called me today
to yeah, I want you to talkabout a documentary actually
that I saw recently, and give methe title exactly of the
documentary that you narrated?
Rebecca Terrell (02:04):
Right.
The documentary is calledUnearthing the CO2 Pipeline and
it's produced by the John BirchSociety.
It's part of our Stand yourGround series.
We're going to be producingmore like this, but it is a
documentary about something thatis coming to everyone's
backyard and we're trying tomake people aware of it, trying
(02:26):
to warn people of the dangers.
And the nice thing about thedocumentary is, even though it
contains some pretty tough newsto hear, it is not without hope.
We know exactly what we can doabout it.
Dr.Robert Jackson (02:38):
Well, I'm telling you that documentary,
miss Rebecca.
It elicited from me a verystrong visceral reaction.
I'm going to tell you why.
My family in the lower part ofthe state of South Carolina is a
farming family and they'vefarmed property that they've
owned for over 100 years, andthe farm there is extensive I
(03:03):
mean they farm 1,200 plus acres.
And if what happens there inIowa, nebraska, south Dakota,
that's described in thisdocumentary were to happen in
the lower part of the state ofSouth Carolina to some of my
farming family there in thisstate and friends of our family,
(03:28):
I can imagine that it wouldcreate a great brouhaha.
And so it really really hithome to me when I listened to
this documentary.
So let's describe to mylisteners exactly what's
happening out there in theNorthwest.
Rebecca Terrell (03:47):
Right, Absolutely Well, right now it is
absolutely happening in theCorn Belt, what we call the
Great Plains.
So North Dakota, South Dakota,Nebraska, Iowa and Minnesota are
being targeted right now.
We have to remember that theDepartment of Energy published a
report in 2022 saying they planto implement, to install 96,000
(04:09):
miles of this pipeline acrossthe United States of America.
There is not one state thatwill not be affected by their
plans and, of course, you knowthe reason.
They're doing this to capturecarbon dioxide, to save Mother
Earth from all of us greedy,blood-sucking humans.
Right, Humans are the problem.
That's always the message ofall of the environmental
(04:33):
silliness and you know that whenthat's the message that humans
are the evil on Earth, that'snot a message from God.
That's right.
That's a message from hisadversary, right, that's a
message from his adversary.
So that's ultimately whatthey're doing.
They're trying, they want tocapture carbon dioxide from
industrial facilities andsequester it deep underground in
(04:57):
underground caverns.
There are so many problems withthis.
The first, first of all, carbondioxide is not a pollutant as
we know.
It is very, very necessary toall life on Earth.
It feeds our food.
It is plant food.
We know that from the historicrecord.
We know that increases intemperature globally precede
(05:18):
they don't follow, they precedeincreases in atmospheric carbon
dioxide.
We know that in greenhousesthey funnel in carbon dioxide to
make the plants healthier Right.
So, we know that carbon dioxidewe know this from from our
elementary school biology.
You know science classes thatcarbon dioxide is a plant food.
(05:41):
It's very necessary to life onEarth.
Oxide is a plant food.
It's very necessary to life onEarth.
And what they're doing whenthey capture the emissions from
these industrial facilities outthere in the Corn Belt?
They're capturing it fromethanol plants and they condense
it into its liquefied formunder very high pressure, about
2200 PSI.
Think about the PSI in your cartire and that gives you an idea
(06:03):
of how much exponentiallylarger this pressure is.
They want to funnel thissupercritical it's called
supercritical CO2 in thatliquefied, pressurized state and
(06:23):
they want to send it thousandsof miles away to sequester it
underground.
Supposedly Now we already havecarbon capture.
It's been around for decadesand it's been regulated by the
federal government for decades.
But it's always been used on amicro level and very short
pipeline paths from industrialfacilities like, for instance,
an oil refinery, and theycondense the CO2 down and make
(06:46):
fracking fluid out of it wherethey inject it into otherwise
depleted oil and gas wells.
So we already have 5,000 milesof carbon capture pipeline in
this country.
But we also have a historyBecause of that we have a
history and we know what happenswhen there are accidents with
these pipelines and they are notgood.
(07:08):
When carbon, supercriticalcarbon dioxide when a pipeline
ruptures and that supercriticalmaterial hits the atmosphere, it
immediately turns back into agas, but it's heavier than air.
Think of dry ice that's carbondioxide.
Or think of your fireextinguisher in your kitchen.
(07:30):
If you pull it out to put out afire, you're shooting carbon
dioxide onto that fire, but itis heavier than air.
It sticks to the ground and itstill acts like liquid.
It still flows.
And in February of 2020, therewas an accident outside a little
village in Satarsha,mississippi, and that's where we
start our documentary.
(07:51):
We tell the story of whathappened because that
supercritical CO2 transformedrapidly into its gaseous state,
flowed right down into thatvillage and people started
dropping and, of course, itwasn't in the same concentration
everywhere.
People are gagging for air.
They run to get in their carsto drive away.
(08:11):
The car won't start becauseyour car needs oxygen.
An internal combustion enginedoesn't work in an
oxygen-depleted environment.
So you know they're calling 911.
911 doesn't know what to do.
They've never experiencedanything like this.
That's right.
The emergency crews couldn'tget there.
Their cars shut down theirvehicle emergency vehicles shut
(08:33):
down, that's right, I'm sorrythe ambulance wouldn't work.
In fact, I interviewed one ofthe emergency crew and he said
they had to.
They just get out of theirvehicles.
They had special oxygen tanksthat they were wearing to be
(08:54):
able to breathe.
Actually, they were reacting.
They still didn't know what wasgoing on, they hadn't figured
out what was going on yet.
But they went in there withtheir special breathing
apparatus and you know, thefunny thing was no one knew if
you were going to shelter inplace.
The thing to do would be to goto the second floor of your
house as if it was a flood,because that's the way the
(09:17):
carbon dioxide acts it'sodorless, it's invisible.
You know this cloud comes in.
You can't see.
Now they did.
You will hear the people ofsatarsha talk about.
They saw the cloud, but that'sbecause the rupture tore a 40
foot deep hole in the ground andall of that debris was flying
(09:39):
through the air.
So that's what they were seeing, but actually carbon dioxide
was invisible.
It's invisible and it's also youcan't smell it.
Now, in this case, they did.
The company that was using itwas Denberry Resources, which
was an oil and gas company.
They actually capture carbonfrom a dormant volcano called
(10:01):
the Jackson Dome down therenearby Satarsha, and they funnel
it and they use it for frackingfluid.
That's a process calledenhanced oil recovery.
But now it's changed, and thereason it's changed is not
because these companies arethinking oh, we want to save
Mother Earth, we want to spendour money and help save Mother
(10:22):
Earth.
There's no altruistic motiveand there's also no market
potential to bury carbon dioxideunderneath the earth and not
use it for anything.
So there's no marketingpotential for them.
These are for-profit companiesthat want to put in these
pipelines.
So you can guess why they wantto do this it's because of
(10:43):
billions of dollars ingovernment subsidies that the
Biden administration madeavailable to them.
Now these government subsidieshave been around for a long time
, but every single presidentialadministration since they were
first implemented in the 1990shas upped the amount of subsidy
available to pipeline companies.
(11:04):
The Biden administration uppedit from what Trump had.
Upped it to $50 per ton ofcarbon captured.
Now Biden upped it to $85 perton, and we're talking about
millions of tons of carbondioxide that are potentially
collected, and this is anotherthing.
Potentially collected, and thisis another thing.
(11:29):
The companies who get thesesubsidies don't have to prove
that their numbers are accurate.
They can just say I captured amillion, I captured two million.
They can say whatever they wantto.
A lot of the subsidies are inthe form of tax credits, but
there's also been a direct payloophole added to the IRS tax
code 45Q.
If the company so chooses, itcan forego the tax credit and
(11:54):
get cash in hand.
So literally billions ofdollars funneled to these
companies.
So that's their incentive fordoing this.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:03):
What do they do with the CO2?
Is there any useful purposeother than fracking?
Rebecca Terrell (12:08):
Well, like I said, they're planning on
sequestering it deep underground, so it can't hurt Mother Earth,
so it can't go back into theatmosphere and cause global
warming, which, again, as weknow, it doesn't cause global
warming.
Dr.Robert Jackson (12:22):
So it's all a ruse and it's just a way to
steal money out of thetaxpayer's wallet.
Rebecca Terrell (12:29):
It is, but that's not the only.
That is the immediate, or wemight say the micro motivation
is to get that money, to gettaxpayer money.
But the bigger picture is theland grab that's going on
Because you know, city folkmight say, oh, you can just bury
(12:49):
the pipe through farm.
North Dakota, south Dakotathey're fighting, fighting,
fighting.
Nebraska has its hands tiedbecause years ago farmers signed
(13:13):
easements with a gas pipeline,a natural gas pipeline, and
that's installed and beenworking.
They didn't realize that whatthey were signing said we can do
anything we want to.
We can change this pipeline toanything we want to in the
future.
You have no say in it.
We own it, we own the land, youhave the tax liability for it
(13:37):
and you have the insuranceliability for it.
But we get to use it however wewish.
And now they're turning thatnatural gas pipeline into a
carbon capture pipeline.
Dr.Robert Jackson (13:50):
I see and.
Rebecca Terrell (13:50):
Nebraska can say nothing.
It's very scary that actuallythat point did not make it into
the documentary.
There's so many, so many layersof the story.
It was hard and we wanted totell the story as completely but
succinctly as possible.
Dr.Robert Jackson (14:06):
So it's inside.
Rebecca Terrell (14:07):
The documentary runs about 54 or 55 minutes, so
there's even more to the storythat we just didn't have time to
fit in, but it's coming.
They're taking these people'sproperty by eminent domain or
they're trying to South Dakotajust recently, the legislature,
these farmers were up in armsand ran for office.
(14:30):
People who thought they'd neveryou know, never imagined they'd
get into politics have run foroffice and they have displaced
some incumbents and taken overthe legislature.
It's really a beautiful storyand they most recently passed a
bill saying no eminent domainfor carbon capture pipelines.
So they have outlawed it in thestate of South Dakota.
It is really standing.
(14:50):
That state is standing as abulwark against this and is
there to be commended.
But poor Nebraska can't doanything because they already
signed these easements.
There's nothing to be done.
It's kind of grandfathered in.
Dr.Robert Jackson (15:02):
Man.
That is shocking.
Rebecca Terrell (15:18):
Yeah, the easements are very, very evil
man.
That is shocking any futuregenerations their right to use
that land as they see fit.
People don't understand whenthey're signing these easements
and they get that one time ormaybe a few years worth of
payout on it.
It's selling your birthrightfor that cup of soup.
Dr.Robert Jackson (15:40):
That's exactly right, exactly right.
I see that.
I do see that.
And now people have beenfighting back and failing in so
many places.
I was listening to thedocumentary and I was seeing the
frustration in the voices andfaces of people who are trying
to fight back against this hugecorporation.
(16:01):
Now, what was the name of thiscorporation?
Rebecca Terrell (16:06):
was the name of this corporation Right.
The one particular pipelinecompany that's highlighted right
now is called Summit CarbonSolutions.
It's not the only pipelinecompany in this game, but it's
the one that's fighting thefight, so to speak, throughout
the Midwest right now.
All the others are, I think,kind of holding back.
In fact, navigator CO2 Venturesalso had contracts with a lot
of ethanol plants but because ofthe pushback in South Dakota
(16:31):
they pulled out and they sold alot of their ethanol plant
contracts to Summit.
I think companies likeNavigator and there are others
are waiting to see how thingsplay out because once Summit
achieves victory which is whatthey're planning they can step
in and not have all the legalbattles that Summit's having to
(16:53):
fight right now.
Summit Carbon Solutions is verysignificant because it's owned
by a man named Bruce Rastetter.
He Politico years ago calledhim the Iowa kingmaker because
he has put so many people withhis millions of dollars.
He's put so many people inpositions of power in Iowa.
He also has friends in otherstates.
Doug Burgum, former governor ofNorth Dakota and now the
(17:17):
interior secretary under Trump,is big friends with him, has
been a big promoter of carboncapture and is also a big
promoter of this blue hydrogen,which is another eco boondoggle
where they're just funnelingmoney to their corporate friends
taxpayer money for somethingthat is absolutely it's
absolutely inane to believe thatwe can switch from a fossil
(17:41):
fuel-based economy to a hydrogeneconomy when it takes three
units of electricity to produceevery two units of hydrogen
power.
Yeah, I mean, right there, youcan see that that's what's
called deficit spending, right,yeah, that's foolishness which
is what we've become very goodat, isn't it?
um?
So I mean, our federalgovernment really has become our
(18:04):
, our enemy, because it takestaxpayer money and it basically
launders it, and funnels it tocorporate cronies, and we're
seeing this happen time and timeagain.
It's happening with carboncapture.
Hydrogen extraction is calledblue, not because it's a
(18:27):
carbon-free process, but becausethey capture the carbon dioxide
and bury it underground.
And that's what makes it quoteclean.
Even though it's not clean, ituses a lot of energy, and so
does carbon capture.
The amount of energy that hasto be used from a coal or
gas-fired power plant to achievethis carbon capture is one and
(18:51):
a half to two times.
It emits one and a half to twotimes as much carbon as is
captured, and that'sdemonstrably true.
We know this.
This has been proven.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:05):
Over and over .
Rebecca Terrell (19:07):
On paper, you know, with numbers, and that's
exactly what's happening.
And that is why you're going tofind groups like the Sierra
Club and even Al Gore sayingcarbon capture is a non-solution
, it's dangerous, it'sridiculous.
I mean Al Gore has come outvery strongly against carbon
capture and I mean you can't geta bigger tree hugger than he is
(19:30):
right.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:31):
Yeah.
Rebecca Terrell (19:32):
So if you've got left and right and the odd
thing is it's mostly Republicanswho are pushing this carbon
capture.
Dr.Robert Jackson (19:40):
Well, it's because there's so much they're
getting paid off somewhere.
They're making money on itsomewhere themselves.
Rebecca Terrell (19:47):
Right, exactly.
It's just like Kristi Noem, theformer governor of South Dakota
, who is now Homeland SecurityDirector and campaigned on
private property rights.
You know, she's the cowgirl andshe's got that hat on, she's on
the horse and she's telling youwhat a wonderful American she
is.
And she did keep her state openduring COVID, right?
She made headlines for that.
(20:07):
She became famous because ofthat.
But when it came to carboncapture pipelines, she sold them
out.
Not only did she tell thefarmers, she told one of the
farmers I can't fight all yourbattles but she also signed a
bill into law that was laterrescinded in the 2024 election
by the voters of South Dakota,but signed a bill into law
(20:31):
saying that these carbon capturepipeline companies could come
in and take land, take privateland by eminent domain, because
of course, this is for thepublic good.
We're going to save MotherEarth.
No, we're not.
That's ridiculous and so.
But she actually came out later,bruce Rastetter, summit Carbon
(20:54):
Solutions was one of theplatinum sponsors of her second
inaugurational ball and she'salso invested in one of the
pipeline companies with whichSummit Carbon Solutions.
I mean one of the ethanolplants I should say, I'm sorry,
not pipeline One of the ethanolplants with which Summit Carbon
Solutions I mean one of theethanol plants I should say
sorry, not pipeline companiesone of the ethanol plants with
which Summit Carbon Solutionshas a contract.
How do you spell conflict ofinterest?
(21:17):
See how deep it goes.
Dr.Robert Jackson (21:19):
Yeah, I see, I understand.
Now go back to listen to AlexNewman on that documentary
talking about the big pictureand what the end game is.
We got about four or five moreminutes Talk about that again.
Rebecca Terrell (21:37):
Yeah, that's absolutely important.
We know that all of this isvery clearly spelled out in
Agenda 2030, the SustainableDevelopment Goals of Agenda 2030
.
These plans came down from thatdocument.
They were implemented, actually, during Bill Clinton's campaign
.
You don't have to take my wordfor it.
Look up the Millennium Papersfrom 1998.
(21:59):
These were the findings of BillClinton's presidential
commission to implement Agenda21 in this country.
Agenda 21 is the umbrelladocument that George Bush
President George Bush signed usonto, and his presidential
commission was led by a mannamed J Gary Lawrence.
(22:20):
He is quoted in the MillenniumPapers as saying we're not going
to call it Local Agenda 21because that will bring out all
the conspiracy crackpots.
We're going to call itcomprehensive planning or smart
growth.
And they did it.
Their NGOs, funded by our taxdollars.
The NGOs from the UnitedNations came in with all the
(22:41):
glossy print and everything.
They approached countycommissioners and city
councilmen all across ourcountry.
They said, oh, look at all thissustainable development.
We want to help you groweconomically.
And, of course, the citycouncilmen they don't know.
They don't know that it'scoming from the UN.
It doesn't say Local Agenda 21.
They specifically hid that nameon purpose.
So they're like oh yeah, thislooks great.
(23:04):
Every single city and countyacross this country.
I challenge you to find onethat does not have a UN-inspired
comprehensive plan or smartgrowth plan.
And you will find them by allthe buzzwords, things like
sustainable development andsingle-use cars and things like
(23:24):
this, all the little buzzwordsthat are.
We have to save Mother Earthand that's what we have to do.
We have to go to our citycouncilmen, to our county
commissioners.
Show this documentary.
This documentary will do thehard work for you, explain
what's happening.
This documentary will do thehard work for you.
Explain what's happening.
And then we need to get rid ofthese smart growth and
comprehensive plans because theyare implementing.
(23:46):
They're already doing it.
They're sectioning off certainareas of different cities around
our country into 15-minutecities, again another brainchild
of the UN.
After the 2015 Paris climateconference, carlos Moreno
introduced the 15-minute cityconcept, completely endorsed by
(24:08):
the UN.
They're even building 15-minutecities from the ground up.
There's a project called theLEAP project outside Lebanon,
indiana.
It is L-E-A-P.
You can go look it up online.
It's funded by the IndianaEconomic Development Commission,
which has headquarters officesin China, europe and Israel.
The Indiana EconomicDevelopment Commission.
(24:30):
You can't make this stuff up.
You can go on their website andfind it.
It's insane.
So if you doubt theinternational origins of all of
this, just don't take my wordfor it.
Go look it up online.
Dr.Robert Jackson (24:42):
You can't see me, but I'm shaking my head
back and forth in disgust.
Rebecca Terrell (24:46):
Right.
So I mean this is, but thisdocumentary is a great tool.
It's very easy to watch I thinkyou'll agree, it's inside an
hour and we need to reallyexpose this to our city
councilmen and our countycommissioners so they have their
eyes wide open and they can see.
Okay, we need to get rid ofthis and we need to implement
something that's truly good forour safety, for our economic
(25:07):
development and for oursovereignty.
Dr.Robert Jackson (25:11):
Well, now the video ended up on a positive
note, so tell my listeners howthat happened, because I was
very encouraged when I finishedlistening to it.
Rebecca Terrell (25:19):
Absolutely.
One thing that the farmers haveall told me is that they are,
even though they have had hugefights on their hand, they now
realize what it means to reallybe American.
They have come together, theyhave formed a family that
they'll have for the rest oftheir lives and for future
generations.
This is their 1776 moment, soto speak, and it has really been
(25:44):
character building.
It's a wonderful exercise inpatriotism and in the growth of
local and regional families thatfight for their true freedom,
for their true liberty and forthe freedom of future
generations.
Dr.Robert Jackson (26:02):
Well, I could see we, the people, coming
together on that documentary, asI saw just regular, average
red-blooded Americans joiningtogether at the precinct level,
the county and state level, todefend their property and their
family heritage.
And it was a beautiful thing,and they won at multiple levels
(26:24):
against this huge corporationand against judges and
legislators that were arrayedagainst them, and I just
rejoiced on their behalf.
All right, now tell mylisteners how they can get a
hold of this video, thisdocumentary.
Rebecca Terrell (26:39):
Yes, very simple Go to standyourground.
watch.
It's not com or net, it'sstandyourground.
watch and you can watch it therefor free until May 21st.
It's going to be available forpurchase.
Afterwards.
It's already available forpurchase on DVD at jbsorg.
(27:02):
That stands for John BirchSociety, so jbsorg.
So if you do want to purchase aDVD, you can do so there.
But, again, while it'savailable for free, we're
encouraging everybody.
Share it with as many people asyou possibly can.
Every American needs to knowwhat's in this documentary and
especially, like I said, ourcity and councilmen and our
(27:24):
sheriffs, our local sheriffs,everything.
The battle here is being foughton the county level, very, very
much so because they know theinternationalists know that the
way our founding fathers set upour government, so much power is
rooted locally, and they didthat on purpose, because we have
a lot more control over ourgovernment if our government is
(27:44):
headquartered at the local level.
Dr.Robert Jackson (27:47):
Nobody in a white hat and a white horse is
coming to rescue us.
If we don't do it ourselves atthe county level, it's not going
to happen, Right?
Well, Ms Rebecca, I'm justpleased and delighted to hear
about the documentary and Iappreciate you coming to More
Than Medicine to tell us aboutit.
I encourage my listeners to goand obtain the documentary and
(28:11):
watch it and share it with allyour friends.
I think it's very worth theirwhile.
All right, you're listening toMore Than Medicine.
My guest today is RebeccaTerrell with the New American.
Miss Rebecca, thank you againfor your time.
Rebecca Terrell (28:25):
Thank you so much, I appreciate it.
Dr.Robert Jackson (28:27):
All right, we'll be back again next week
and until then, may the Lordbless you.
Real good.
Speaker 1 (28:35):
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