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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at us now tempted.

Speaker 3 (00:13):
Jesus?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Oh do you want about us doing what we wuck?
It's time to bang? Oh yeah, that Friday feeling back

(00:40):
with a bang and back with a bullet sneakier than
Prime Valentino. It's morning combat directly in your face, hoole
on Friday, November seventh of the twenty twenty fives. You
know what we do here? Set right, ready to go
to preview UFC warehouse and talk about all the things
you're into gambling, John Jones, J Paul Hey, we'll get

(01:00):
into some other fun stuff too. BC with that BD.
Brian Campbell from Greater Hartford, Connecticut joining you directly from
my basement. Next to me is a DC plant and
native of India, but he prefers that you look at
him in an Armenian vein. It's Luke Thomas. Everybody, Yes, right, alright?

Speaker 1 (01:20):
What's up? C? That is that a new hat?

Speaker 2 (01:23):
No? No, I got this from Boston scally because they
like me like two years ago. But you know it's
a I like it. I like it fall thing. Thank you,
thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Now here's the question. You're saying, it's a fall thing?
Is it also I'm covering up a bad hair dye
job thing.

Speaker 2 (01:41):
No, I actually had one of my better hair dye
jobs three days ago of all time. Like I was
really proud of it. I was like showing it off
around the house, you know what I mean, not like
anyone cared, they didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
But also, is that mayor you growing a Dakistani beard there?

Speaker 2 (01:56):
So I tried, of course, like normal, I tried to
like trim down the beard like almost gangster style, and
of course I screwed up, so I had to shave
off the mustache. And now you know, I'm getting heckled
in my areas. But that's what we have to call you, brother, Yeah, yeah, brother,
you know, give me two to three days in d
Augustan and I'll run away, all right, Luke, But we

(02:17):
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of our team, a bong enthusiast, producer, director and host
of the main Card minute in a very successful spinoff
known as prop Quiz Live and Direct from a horny
Aussie's Bag. It's Luke Nocita.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
Why would I be live from the bag?

Speaker 5 (03:40):
You're not here.

Speaker 2 (03:41):
If your dad didn't come to America and get a
horned up, we would never have met you, which is great.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
You know, it's kind of true. It's true, guys, new
prop quiz dropping after the show today, Danny Segura going
against Jose Young's It's a great back and forth battle.
You should tune into it.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
The winner faces Bend the bane for the season two championship.

Speaker 4 (04:00):
Winner yep faces for one hundred dollars, and then Winter
that will face BC.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
These seasons seem like you know Top Chef, where they
cut like five seasons in a calendar year, where the seasonal.

Speaker 4 (04:13):
With the pfl of trivia. All right, we have various brackets.
You don't really know who's winning what champion.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Yeah, I tell you what you know we should do?
We should we should buy uh, we should make a belt.

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Average Joe has suggested that a few times now.

Speaker 1 (04:28):
Yeah, that is I mean, you have a big grand
championship and have a'll be kind of sick.

Speaker 4 (04:32):
Actually yeah, but then how do I I got to
mail it to a person each.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Time, you know, just keeping telling me to go fuck themselves.

Speaker 2 (04:38):
Hey, do we still have the that the old money
lion hammer that we gave We got them.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
We got the mule near after that, after that photography
session where we felt abused and needed a counselor.

Speaker 4 (04:49):
We might be able to get our hands on the hammer,
but I don't personally have it right now.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
Okay, all right, all right, that's great to hear. Shout
out to Luke. Luke, I finished a painting, by the way,
first time, long time here. I've been working on the
signed off for nine months?

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Are you ready?

Speaker 3 (05:03):
All right?

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I need an honest statement now hold on?

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait wait. How
long have you been working on it?

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Nine months on and off, but the last few weeks
I've given a lot of time to it. The reviews
in my house are wife hates it, my artsy son
loves it. My non arty son set a fourth grader.
I could have done that. So we'll see what you think.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
Okay, can you back up a little bit, Yes, honestly,
that might be one of my favorites you've ever done.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
Oh really, really.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, I like abstract art. I like it, and I
love Can I be honest, I love the color palette. Okay,
I'll be honest. Two thumbs up. I really like this one.
Two thumbs up for me.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
My wife says it's proof that I have inner turmoil.

Speaker 1 (05:54):
It's definitely that. It's definitely that. However, I like it.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Okay, thank you very much I know to get you
for Christmas.

Speaker 1 (06:03):
All right, yeah, exactly, send that to me. I need
something to wipe my ass with.

Speaker 2 (06:08):
Uh, look before we dig deep into the warehouse and
get all bone themed up, anything you would like to
tell the audience any recent medical developments.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
In your on that level. Although I dude, I I
so I have. There's different kinds of e bike specie,
and I've got a one that's like the tires are
not normal bike tires, they're thicker, the bike is heavier.
You can get different kinds and put engines everywhere, but
mine's a little bit of a heavier one, and so
I have to I can't leave it on the street. Obviously,
I have to put it in my house, which means
I have to go up not five flights of stairs,

(06:37):
but just five literal stairs, just like that way. And
normally it's no big deal. And I got it in,
but my daughter left the pedals down where her feet
go because I use that to take her to school.
And so as I'm taking it up and this thing's heavy,
you know, it's like it's like, you know, I like
three hundred and fifty pounds pushing it up. The thing
my knee slams into the metal pedal that she left. Dude,

(07:00):
I literally couldn't walk yesterday. It was so goddamn painful. However,
I do have good news. A. I can walk today. B.
I'm a man of two internets BC. I have Verizon
and it's been a constant problem. I went hat in
hand back to Comcast Inxfinity. They show up yesterday reinstall
their things. So now that Exfinity is running to the

(07:23):
tower Long Island, Luke watched not all, but most of
my live chat yesterday. We don't think there was any
major tech issues. Quietly optimistic, this might be a great
episode in terms of no tech problems.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
Okay, I love to hear that, Luke. All right, the
days of Luke Thomas's tech air issues are long long
behind us.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, they're not long behind me. They're just maybe not
like right on top of me.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
How about I could go as far as saying Hasselhoff
could put his shirt back on and finish the Yeah,
I wanted to kill you that day. Great moments.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Hey, why are we talking about John Jones? The chat
doesn't want to talk about it. I don't want to
talk about it. Why are we talking to re emerged.

Speaker 2 (08:03):
With some shitty comments that have to be heard. They
have to be discussed, or we'll be quick on Jake
Paul because I know people don't want that, all right,
They're like, I don't want Remember when the Hot Chip
was like, hey THEO and Brendan, well it's for one
and THEO is like, I don't want that. Remember that? Okay,
if you know cats, cats understand it's just cats talking

(08:24):
to cats. Yeah, yeah, just to baseball that over here.
All right, here we go. Let's move into the show. Now,
let's go with topic number one. The warehouse is hot.
On Saturday, UFC Fight Night is back and in the
main event, Walter Waits, Gabriel bone Feme and Randy Brown.

(08:46):
And this road to UFC Fight Night is brought to
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Get unlimited data that won't slow you down. Now, for
the second straight week, a pair of first time headline
will grace the octagon in Saturday's Fight Night Maine inside
the Apex in Las Vegas as the number fourteen ranked welterweight,

(09:07):
Gabrielle Boonefee puts his five and one UFC mark on
the line versus un ranked thirty five year old veteran
Randy Brown, who oh, by the way, eight wins, two
losses since twenty twenty one. Luke, we know this is
a style contrast here. What is the most intriguing part
of this fight that really, you know, when you look

(09:27):
at the contrast between them, has the greatest chance of
deciding which one seventy pounder comes out on top on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah. I mean, as we indicate it, these are not
guys you would typically identify as UFC headliners. They're not
bad fighters by any stretch. But you know this is
a okay, absent the controversy last week, this is a
similar kind of event. So the question about whether this
is a suitable main event and what this means is
I think an important one, but no need to rehash it.
I'll say this. I think if you look at the

(09:55):
numbers and you look at the tape a little bit
bonfeme it, he kind of has a reputation as maybe
striker first, and I think that's probably largely deserved. But
there's a couple of things here that stand out to me.
Number One, in MMA, this sometimes means less than what
it does, and say, for example, boxing, but Randy Brown

(10:16):
has I think a six inch reach advantage, and he's
already kind of lanky and uses his length for the
most part pretty well. That stands out to me because
Bonfime is not one of these crouching strikers. He's kind
of up tall, and I don't know, I just feel
like that is going to be a potentially you know,
their jobs are both going to be important, but Randy
Brown's jab with the bond themes posture. I'm not saying

(10:38):
that Bonfime can't be competitive on the feet, but I
don't think that like if it's a twenty five minute
battle on the feet, winnable certainly, but maybe not the
best way to get the job done at a bare minimum.
More to the point, you see if you just look
at the takedowns, and that's really where I think this
might be one or loss, which is that Bonfeme averages

(10:59):
four point zero three takedowns per fifteen minutes, so he's
good for more than one around as a statistical average,
and the takedown defense of Randy Brown seventy three percent.
But how much does he go for the takedown point
seventy nine per fifteen minutes, like barely at all. The
point I'm trying to make here is it just looks
to me like if you look at Bonfime for example,

(11:20):
you know, he's sort of known as a guy who's
got a great guillotine. After he takes people down, he
lets them roll and then like for example against Trevin
Giles and then locks up the guillotine, or you know,
he'll try and rerack something like he did against Chaos
Williams so that he gets the dars choke off of
a scramble from a back take. You know, he's very
very good about that kind of a thing. He goes
with the takedown aggressively. And in twenty twenty four, Brown

(11:42):
lost to Elizu Zelesqui do Santos after giving up and
surrendering four takedowns in fifteen minutes. It just seems to MEBC,
could you get a striking battle? Of course, and I
think large parts of this fight, for the extent that
it goes long, will be contested on the feet. But
if Bonfime has a way to win, and it's not
letting Brown have that six inch advantage on an already

(12:03):
lanky frame, and it's making him work for it. In
grappling transition, or wrestling contexts.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I would agree with you on that one. Look,
if we take this main event and last week's Fight
Night main event, even though of the four fighters, I
guess you could argue that maybe Steve Garcia at the
moment has sort of the highest ceiling and is pointing
more aggressively in the right direction. But do you feel
like this Brown Bomfime fight could be better than last
week's main event?

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, in part because there are questions, you know, at
this point, fairly or otherwise, surrounding the effort that Onama
gave that it's hard to say that this could be
Oh odd, Yes, this is the answer. Yes, I do
think this one stands to be competitive. I do think

(12:50):
it is well matched. Again, the question about whether it
should be a main event is sort of lingering over
the whole thing. But just as a fight itself, this
one feels like it should go longer, and also something
to be said for this you know, Brown and a Bonfime,
especially in Brown's case, you know he's been around here
a good long while. This is a guy that's kind
of seen good opponents and seen some bad ones and
seen someones in all different contexts. I would suspect I'd

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be surprised. I'll say this, I'd be very surprised if
this one ended exactly the way that last week's ended,
or in a similar kind of time frame. The one
exception BC is again Bonfime is very good sometimes about
rocking people or taking them down, letting them scramble a
little bit, only so he can set up a submission.
He stopped guys in the first round in the UFC

(13:37):
doing exactly that, So I do think it'll be different,
but MMA's crazy. Maybe it won't be so different.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
After all.

Speaker 2 (13:42):
Let's look at the odds for this one. DraftKings has
gabriel Bomfime, who technically is riding a three fight win
streak as a minus one seventy betting favorite rude boy
Randy Brown at age thirty five plus one forty two,
so a lot of respect in his direction. But I
want to ask you whether it's respect for Brandon Brown
or a little bit of fear for Gabrielle Bonefeme, who

(14:03):
came on the scene like his brother Ishmael, who will
also be fighting on this car to building with two Beldings,
one of whom is Balding Luke. Yeah, let's let's go
h But Luke, considering bone theme, Gabrielle is fresh off
a split decision win against Steven Thompson that not a
lot of people thought he deserved the win, and he's
only two years removed from his loan defeat, a TKO

(14:26):
loss via knees and punches. Is it fair to say that,
while we know he can go in there and submit
the lights off against B level fighters, that there's still
some trepidation about whether, despite his number fourteen ranking, he's
on a true path to elite contention here.

Speaker 1 (14:45):
Yes, that's a totally reasonable question and absolutely fair. You're
right about, at a bare minimum, how the win over
wonder Boy was perceived. And I think you'll remember these
guys coming out of contentiaries, the hype on them was high, right,
because Hey, we're just living in a world where we've
seen a lot of Brazilian brother tandems do pretty well. Folks.
Forget before Showgun, there was Ninja Hua, but you know

(15:08):
Showgun in Ninja were a great tandem. You've seen the
Diaz but it's not Brazilian, but it's you know, brother tandem,
Matt and Mark Hughes brother tandem. And then obviously the
Patricio or as I say, the pit Bull brothers.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Right, so there's Amelia Ankos, come on.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah, no, there's a bunch of brother Tans. But
in terms of the Brazilian side, we're just sort of
more recently living through some And this is the thing too,
As I mentioned, you go through some of the early wins,
they're just outright just smashing these people, and what you
can get there is something where you don't know which
way it's gonna go. Right, So if you see someone
that's got like two three wins first second round stoppages

(15:42):
in the UFC, obviously they're talented. I mean that's that's
a given. But are they gonna go real far or
are they just the kind of guy that can do
that sort of thing to that class of opponent but
can't really graduate to the you know, next subsequent let
or you know, two or three levels after that, they
kind to peter out very quickly. That can be kind

(16:03):
of fool's gold. And I think some people might be
thinking around Gabriel Bonfien here, Hey wait a second. It
was great when he was doing that kind of thing
to that class of opponent, but to the point you
raised BC hasn't exactly been smooth as he's gone up
the ladder, and the opponents have gotten a little bit
more difficult. Brown is a good opponent, a flawed one,
but certainly an experienced one as well. So this is

(16:24):
this is what I mean. This is a well matched fight.
It's not really a deserving main event, but it's a
well matched fight. You get kind of that answer there,
But that's really one of the lingering questions around. I
would say both Bondfieme Brothers, but probably a little bit
more Gabrielle at this point about exactly how far is
he gonna go look good early? Can he maintain that
kind of pace on the pack. That's where some of

(16:46):
the questions start to arise.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Indeed, we do have to pause this conversation for some
form of odd breaking news from Long Island. Luke related
to our talk about the hammer. Luke, Nocito, what do
you got for us?

Speaker 1 (16:59):
All right?

Speaker 4 (16:59):
So the group chat was blowing up when we were
talking about the Hammer of the month. Menietzsche was at
the bomb shelter last week and he took this photo. Okay, okay,
that's getting right there on a shelf.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Hey, dear, Malta. That's no longer yours, f money Lion,
that's ours.

Speaker 4 (17:20):
Right, Yeah, so we can away to get the hell Yes,
I bring that home.

Speaker 1 (17:27):
We got bring bring it back to where it belongs.

Speaker 2 (17:29):
Luke got all Pedro Serrano bring that ship to me? Yes, yes,
all right, all right back to this uh here fight card. Hey,
we got some sound here from the rude boy himself,
Randy Brown, representing Jamaica and his belief that whoever wins
on Saturday, the loser will be unconscious.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
I love it.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (17:48):
I think he's a tough guy. He's a great fighter,
you know what I mean. I got a lot of
respect for his skill set. Aggressive, fast, young, strong, explosive guy, athletic.
I think he has on the ground, good on the feet.
Somebody's going to sleep, somebody's getting finished. It's one of
those ones where, you know, I also don't think that
this fight goes a distance. But you know, I'll be

(18:10):
prepared for a hard fifteen or twenty five minutes, right.
But if it doesn't, which I don't think it will,
you know, I'll be prepared for that too. But somebody's
going to sleep.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Look, speaking of going to sleep, let's do some MMA
math here on a common opponent. How much does the
fact that Randy Brown is fresh off of an April
win by KO over one Nicholas Dalby, who happens to
be the only fighter to defeat Gabriel bone Fime and
he did that by TKO and bone Theme's only pro

(18:43):
and UFC defeat. How much does that common opponent ness
factor into this matchup? In your eyes, the thing.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Is that Dolby is a bit of a go getter.
You know, he's got a little bit of that to
his own detriment. Sometimes he's got a little bit of
that Steve Garcia and him where he's just castantly knocking
on the door. And again it's a strategy where like
why would a fighter do that where they're constantly just
kind of just trying stuff and you know, staying active
with at least touching their opponent. Well, on the good side,

(19:14):
you just keep knocking. It's just a numbers game. Eventually
there's going to be an opening and you can take
advantage of it. And I think, you know, some of
what you saw in that fight reflects that reality. On
the other hand, what's one of the challenges if you
go up against the skilled operator, and you keep knocking
like that, they're going to pick up on it and
they're gonna they're gonna tear you to pieces. So what
you have to ask yourself is is that how Randy
Brown is going to fight? I don't think so. Be see.

(19:36):
Randy Brown, to me fights a little bit more methodically.
He fights a little bit more. I think he tries to.
I think Randy Brown fashions himself a little bit more
of a slickster, and Dalby fashions himself more as like
a jackhammer constantly, you know, just trying to make the fight,
to break with pace, to break with with pressure. Brown's

(20:00):
not exactly that kind of a fighter. Now be seen
on the other the flip side, Brown is also I
think a pretty accurate striker generally speaking, pretty good about
finding the target, has a lot of different kinds of weapons.
But I don't want to lose sight of the fact
that the common opponents sometimes can be quite significant. I
just feel like Brown fights in a way that works

(20:21):
well against Dolby. Bonfime does not. But that doesn't mean
that Brown the way he fights is like a uniquely
bad matchup for Bondfeme. I guess time will tell, but
I have some skepticism about the math there all right.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Well, speaking of bomb themed setbacks, whether it be the
TKO loss to Nicholas Dlby or the sketchy ish win
or disputed win if you will over Steven Thompson, in
which it did show us where bomb themes is at
and at least to add to those questions we talked about.
Here is a translated recap of Gabriel Bonefeme's interviews this

(20:56):
week talking about what he learned from those.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
Fights with Phillies Compostent Dot.

Speaker 3 (21:02):
I'm really happy to be here. I feeling very great
for great fit.

Speaker 7 (21:05):
God have been giving me this opportunity to not only
fight in the UFC, but in the UFC main events.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
So it's a dream come true.

Speaker 7 (21:13):
It is exactly what I wanted to fight two three
fights a year, So I'm getting three fights this year
and hopefully next year I can do the same thing.

Speaker 3 (21:21):
If I would. Albi was it was a huge milestone
of change for me.

Speaker 7 (21:26):
Now I grew more and so I need to adapt
and need to grow, and I'm more more confident I can.

Speaker 3 (21:30):
Fight three five round fights.

Speaker 7 (21:32):
I just I needed that loss to grow and it
really developed my full potential.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
So that did a lot for me.

Speaker 5 (21:37):
I assume I.

Speaker 7 (21:40):
Love to fight diverse fighters for wrestlers and for strikers.
This makes me grow and involved and adapt so I
can be ready to one day be the champion of
the division.

Speaker 5 (21:49):
A little shifts from me.

Speaker 7 (21:52):
Stephen Thompson is all the way around the guy on
the most experienced guy in the division. So of course
after watching analyzim fight with him, I grew so much.
It was so it was I grew more from from
the fight than my losses. So I learned more from
fighting stick Compson and winning without the experience, then I
learned from my losses.

Speaker 5 (22:10):
Did you key? I spity incidentally.

Speaker 7 (22:12):
Mostly mean to be very keen about the fight, like
it's a guy that could not blink. I had to
stay focused and dialed in the entire time. I had
to defend every if I blinked kick, so I defended
kicks and be aware, very weary. He's got good takedown defense.
So this overall mindset and me to be dial in
the fight. That was the biggest world I had from
fighting Stephen Thompson.

Speaker 3 (22:32):
I have been fighting guys. They are long, very long,
with long range of good strikers.

Speaker 7 (22:36):
So it's gonna adapt and fall right into my game,
and I think it's going to be an amazing performance
of me on Saturday.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I really believe I'll knock him out.

Speaker 7 (22:44):
I'm going to press him with with with pressure, forward
and volume, and I think eventually I'm gonna lay my
punch of knock him out.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Let's check in with our bedding.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
By the way, who was translating there? Uh, Derek Koenig, No,
that was Jorge ger Zell. All right, Franklin's longtime partner,
slash coach, training partner, all that stuff. Yeah, you don't
mean life partner. No, no, no, I don't mean life part
I mean like Jim partner.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
I mean I'd be down with that if that, you
know whatever. Let's bring in our own betting expert who
is on the same disccog as James Krause and Isaac
Dulgary and it's Long Island, Luke Nosita of the main
card minute you saw the odds here, we know the
question surrounding bom Fime Brown's thirty five. He is on
a nice little run there though, eight and two in
his last ten. How you betting this main event eight

(23:30):
and two in.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
His last ten and one of those losses was that
Brian Battle loss, which, like, let's be real, he probably
won that fight, So we'll call it nine to one
lone loss to the champ.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Not bad at all.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
I'm not personally taking Randy Brown, but I'm backing Randy
Brown in this fight for sure. Like, I feel like
he's gonna make it dirty, He's gonna get through the
first couple of rounds, make it go late. I don't
know how Bomme's gonna look once this goes rounds four
and five. So I feel like I like Randy personally.
I took the over one and a half in a parlay,
so I'm hoping it goes at least a little long.
But you know, I'm back in Randy. I'll say Randy

(24:02):
by decision. That's that's my pick.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
There, LT Are you leaning either way here? As we
look at this main event, I mean, look for storylines.
I kind of want bone theme to be real, you
know what I'm saying. Like he's he's flashy, he's exciting,
But do I have fear that he'll guess out in
the championship rounds trying too hard to get a sub
Maybe maybe bro U, I'll go.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I'll go, bonfine. I mean, I don't know, you know,
it's this is a close one. I yeah, yeah, I'll
say bonfin, I guess, but would be cool of Randy Winsman.

Speaker 2 (24:33):
Yeah, Luc, let's talk quickly about that co main event.
Riding a four fight win streak in fresh Off by
the Way at UFC three nineteen there of winning the
Ultimate Fighter Season thirty three championship. We haven't improved Joseph Morales,
who is in his second stint as a UFC fighter
as he takes on thirty five year old veteran in
the recently retired Matt Schnell, who did return and get

(24:56):
a victory to snap a three fight losing skid. Are
you all on Joseph Morales's potential here at Flyway?

Speaker 5 (25:03):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (25:03):
You know what? To your point, he's making a second
crack at it. I kind of feel like there's very
few guys who when they make second cracks, ever really
take it that far. They it tends to be, it
tends to be that they come back improved, but they
rarely come back revolutionized.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, Brandon Moreno is a is a special case.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
You would say, right, He's the exception that sort of
proves the rule, and he got in there so early
and that to that point, Morales I think is only
like thirty one, So you know, I definite feel like
you're getting a better version this time, like a legitimately
better version this time around. And Matchdell's a guy who's
kind of been so I think Machelle's very talented, but
he's been a little bit hittable. He's been in some
wars and kind of the other part is he was

(25:43):
out of the fight game and then back in the
fight game, and I'm not questioning his level of professionalism,
but I just don't know how much his heart is truly, truly,
truly in it as a competitor anymore at the stage
of the game. So I don't know. I kind of
like Morales is upside in this one.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Yeah, Morales more than a four to one fase in
this flyweight clash. A lot of people are talking about
the action potential here as forty one year old Muslim
Solikoff enters as a slight dog plus one twenty four
against the minus one forty eight euros Metitch Luke, are
you feeling this fight or should we move on?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
This fight might be one of the two well, I
don't know two best, but this one might be one
of the better ones on the freaking cardio. Muslim Salakov
is forty one years old and he's coming off of
that Carlos leal right hook win which before that he
had the Keenan Song spinning wheelkick both first round with KOs. Dude,
he still got a little razzle dazzle in that game
in euros Metic. I like a lot, but he is

(26:36):
nothing if not hittable. I kind of like this one.
I think this one has like a strong potential to
be fun and make the highlight reel. Put it that.
If I had to pinpoint BC know which one stands
likely to get fut of the night or some kind
of performance bonus, I would circle that one.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Real quick, long island, Luke, you're getting plus money on
a on a Solikoff who's on a run here? You
like that?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
I do like that. And not only that, he was
he had Dulgarian type movement.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Now not really, but.

Speaker 4 (27:03):
He was like plus one careful he was plus one
eighty like three days ago. To be clear, guys, this
is totally normal for a fight to move that drastically
on fight week, not the day of the fight, but yeah,
he moved like from plus one's eighty ish to plus
one twenty four now, so a lot of money's been
coming in on him as the week's been going on.
I like him here. I think Earl's metics is Chiney
as fuck. All fourteen of his fights have never gone

(27:25):
the distance though Medich, so that one's probably going to
be a banger in either direction.

Speaker 2 (27:29):
All right, banger, I just gotta just met her, Luke.
Let's go to the older Bonefime brother, Ishmael here at
lightweight a minus one ninety eight favorite against Chris Padia,
despite the fact that Ishmael has been finished in two
of his last three fights, including a submission loss to
Ben La Saint Denis the God of war are I'm

(27:50):
sure you're less confident on this bone Theme's upside than
his bro or maybe I don't want to put words
in your mouth or any parts of my body, to
be fair, how do you see this one here?

Speaker 1 (28:00):
Yeah? The issue with this one is Ishmael Bonfime has
fought and defeated better guys. But because he's fought better guys,
he's also got a couple of l's on there and
the and you know, but like, who are the guys
he's LAWT students. Sadakov right would be one of them
who I think is a very very good fighter. And

(28:20):
then prior to that, you know, as you indicated Ben
Wall Saint denis so like he's not those are you know,
those are tough fights, those are tough challenges. I think
it puts a ceiling on what you could imagine he
would be. The problem is Chris Padilla pretty good thirty
years of age, but his wins are are Ji Herbert,
which is a good one, but it was a split,
then Wrong Zoo and then James yan Top and it's like,

(28:42):
I don't know exactly what that means, you know what
I mean, it seems like he's a little bubble ish
in terms of being on the UFC roster despite having
a three fight winning streak in the octagon. So this
is to me, I would say, I don't know how
long on Luke feels I might slight lean bond theme,
but you know, if you're getting put out in fights,
even against good guys, that also carries risks even into

(29:03):
lesser opponents as well.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yeah, it's like Hey, Ishmael, are you Nate Diaz in
this brother combo? Or are you Lance Evans? Show us?
Let us know right call me Ishmael.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (29:12):
Indeed, indeed right there, Ah, Luke, The fight I have
circled here is a bantamweight banger, Ricky Simone brings a
minus one to seventy five slight betting favorite tag with
him against a red hot thirty eight year old Hyoni
Barcelos who is riding a three fight win streak which
includes an upset of Peyton Talbot on his initial rise

(29:34):
and the decision win last time out against Cody Garbrandt.
Here's the biggest question, Luke. Will there be action? Yeah,
we know that, but is this run for Barcellos sustainable
against a refurbished Ricky Simone who seems to have put
a losing streak behind him.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
You know what, I think the buck might stop here.
I think what Barcelos has done has been tremendous. And
Ricky Simone, I mean, it's hard to believe he's got
to win over Morob but you know or whatever, it
was a being. But the reality is, I just feel
like Barcellos can take advantage over guys who aren't good
at chain wrestling or you know, tend to make some

(30:14):
more obvious tactical blunders. Ricky Simone is aggressive enough where
some of that might get him in trouble BC, but
he can scramble his ass off, and he's quick. He's
at the athletic. I feel like Barcellos's game is going
to come apart against someone like that. Barcellos, by the way,
say Simone has fought very good competition, you know, come

(30:34):
up short a few times obviously, but has fought some
really good competition. I know, I think the odds are
pretty close. I like Simone in this one. And I'll
say this though, you see if Barcellos wins this one
of all the ones to I mean, looking back, it's
like Oha, he beat like Peyton Talbot or something. It's like, well, okay,
that's a good win on name value. But Talbot was
a little bit overwhelmed. Yeah, Simone, for him to be

(30:59):
overwhelmed would mean something more. So curious to see how
this one goes. But I do feel like this is
kind of where things might fall apart for the forty
year old.

Speaker 2 (31:10):
You would say this is where the rubber hits the road.
That's a classic Luke Thomas. Yeah, yes, yeah, Luke, I'm
gonna you know, you can have your favorites in the second.
I'm gonna dig down the card and ask you this.
There was a time when Myra Buono Sofa was kind
of looked like at the future as the future of
this dead women's bandonweight division. Right now, though she's on
a four fight windless streak, which includes a no contest,

(31:34):
it includes three straight defeats, including that really poor performance
when she gassed out against Rocky Pennington for the vacant title.
What the hell happened here? As she promises a finish
of Jacqueline Cavalcanti here in her return, it's like she's
fallen off faster than Barrao.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
Yeah, I mean, you know two of Yeah, I mean,
Raquel Pennington was a champ or you know, reached champ status,
So losing to her is not the end of the world.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, but that was a shitty fight, and she had
a shitty performance.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
I had a terrible, terrible performance. And then Macy chas
On and then Jasmine. It's not like she's losing the scrubs.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
She has not opened up that cut on her face
where you could see her soul through it.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Yeah. Yeah, she's not losing the scrubs, but I agree
she's seemingly lost to step. She's thirty four. Now, you know,
some people age earlier than others, even you know, whatever
the numerical age ends up being, is the weight cutting
getting to her? Did she peek and people figured it out?
Does she train not as hard as she once did?
I don't know, but I agree with you. It's been

(32:36):
a little bit lackluster in certain ways, and I felt
like there was a little bit more competitive fire early
in the run. So good opportunity for Cavalcanti here, I'll
say as much.

Speaker 2 (32:46):
One more one. I want to circle and get your
thoughts on fans of red hats and gold le mat
and the Oval Office. Unite heavyweight and former San Francisco
forty nine ers cup of Coffee drinker Josh hoke It,
fresh off the Dana White Contender series, will be making
his official UFC debut against one Max Kmenez. If you

(33:08):
want to know who's this ho kit guy, He's the
guy that delivers crazy post fight interviews. Here's one of
his classics.

Speaker 8 (33:15):
Or Kamala Harris and Joe Biden and Barack Obama.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
It is disgraceful.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
I'm here to bring justice to.

Speaker 5 (33:24):
The heavyweight division.

Speaker 8 (33:27):
And I'm gonna wipe you guys.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Out one by one.

Speaker 8 (33:30):
Mark my words and PS. Michelle Obama is a man.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
Okay, okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (33:43):
You can tell he reads books.

Speaker 3 (33:45):
Will you be.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Cheering for him to get KOed more aggressively than you did?
Greg Hardy? Or Am I going too far here?

Speaker 1 (33:50):
No? I mean I don't care one way or the other.
His opponent, Matt I don't know how you pronounced the
Portuguese version of this Max gumenis Jiminie. I'm not sure,
damn tho. Okay, yeah, you know, he seems like he's
got some big power, but might be overwhelmed. Hook It wrestled,
I believe wrestled at Virginia Tech, so you know that's
a good program's division one. He's got some skills. I mean,

(34:14):
not on the microphone and certainly you know, not in
place much else, but he can wrestle, he can fight.
I'd be surprised if you lost here.

Speaker 4 (34:22):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Okay, all right, we'll see if he's the future of
this weight class. Luke, what else are you? Yeah? It
is wide open here are there? Is there anything else
on this card? Including Tscha Pennington's still at it? What
are you into on this card?

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Yeah, Tischa Pennington's kind of an interesting one here, bc uh.
We've talked about most of the ones that I care about.
I think Marco Tuleyo versus Christian Leroy Duncan that could
be a fun little scrap depending on how it goes.
Tisa Pennington, Denise Gomez, It's okay. It's a decent one.
Probably the only other one I would point to you

(34:55):
long on Luke, correct me if I'm wrong. Are you
into the Miles Johns, Daniel Marcos fight, Daniel Marcos seventeen
and one kind of an interesting guy on the rise?

Speaker 4 (35:04):
Yeah, I mean Daniel Marcos is good. Did you guys
mention Christian Leroy Duncan, Marco.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Tulio, Yeah, yeah, I just said it literally.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Sorry, I was going through shit. I was going through shit.
I did just message you that Josh Hockett went to
Fresno State, not.

Speaker 1 (35:16):
Fresno States, because why did I say Virginia Tech?

Speaker 4 (35:18):
Hey, I was looking up shit, I was doing it.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
You were thinking of that weird thing on the side
of Frank Biemer's faceless. I know you were, you know,
I mean, yeah, uh dude.

Speaker 4 (35:25):
To be honest, this card is a lot better than
last weekend's card, but that's still not saying much. There's
really you know, it's slim pickens here exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
So let me guess, let me guess. Hold on real quickly,
how many hours on Saturday are you going to tell
your girlfriend to pound sand?

Speaker 4 (35:40):
She'll be working when I'm live for the full card,
Join me four pm Eastern time, May guard minute, baby,
let's go.

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let's go to topic number two. Dana White broke the

(37:32):
silence on the Isaac Dulgarian UFC betting scandal when he
joined TMC Sports earlier this week. He also joined Jim
Romes radio show yesterday to continue some of those same thoughts, revealing,
of course, that he interrogated Isaac Dulgarian during the day
before that fight card and then immediately called the FBI

(37:55):
after the first round finish went the way it did,
exactly the way that the line moved. Let's throw first
to a clip, then we'll get LT's reaction. Here's Dana
White talking about the timeline of what went down in
last Saturday's fight night scandal.

Speaker 9 (38:12):
Probably about one o'clock that day. We're with a company
called IC three sixty and they are the best bet
monitoring company in the business, and they reached out to
us and they told us that there was some unusual
action going on with that fight. Do we know anything?

Speaker 2 (38:29):
You know?

Speaker 9 (38:30):
We didn't. So what we did was we called the
fighter and his lawyer and said, what's going on. There's
some weird action going on in your bet. We're betting
action going on in your fight? Are you are you injured?
Do you owe anybody money? Has anybody approached you to
you know? And the kid said no, absolutely not, I'm

(38:53):
gonna kill this guy. And you know, so we said, Okay,
the fight plays out and uh first round finish by
rear naked choke. Literally the first thing we did was
called the FBI.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Dana would tell Jim Rome yesterday that the FBI is
doing an investigation, not the UFC moving forward. So, Luke,
in light of what we heard from Dana, in light
of the reporting that continues to go on around this story,
whether you believe what we're hearing from Harry Mack on
Twitter or what Ariel Hawane has been breaking down, do
you feel like this is an isolated incident that the

(39:31):
UFC will be able to put behind them with FBI
control or is this just the tip of the iceberg
for basically what you would guess to be the UFC's
worst nightmare at the moment in terms of a fight
fixing scandal.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
I would say that it's a good idea for anyone
out there to very much trust the reporting of Aeriel Hawane.
You know this, people are will have various opinions about
his show or him or whatever, putting that all to
the side. If I've worked with the guy and I
watched his methods, and I'm telling you, if he's reporting it,

(40:09):
it's true. The guy has been involved in the sport
for twenty years. I don't think I've ever seen him
have to retract the story, not once. And it's just
his record on this is as basically as good as
it gets. So whatever he is saying is absolutely worth
taking seriously. I know, obviously there's journalist Harry mackout there
who's doing a lot of interesting reporting as well. I mean,

(40:31):
I don't want to say that he's unreliable because I
don't know that that's true. I know that he initially
had said, you know X or factory X was rated
and then kind of said, well, it wasn't a raid,
So I don't really know what to make of some
of that reporting, I think, is what I would say.
I'm waiting to see, you know, what else is out there.
If anyone has a tip, by the way, you can
email me Luke Thomas news at gmail dot com. But
just the tip, just yeah, just the just the tip.

(40:52):
You know, that's the only kind of thing I'm interested in.
But the reality is, we see if what Ariel was
saying is true, and I I would very much accept it,
it has to be a lot more. I mean, we
had fighters coming out and saying and then they've tried
to walk it back and say, oh, no, I was joking,
but they had kind of indicated people had approached them
to throw it. I had people reach out to me privately,

(41:14):
fighters reach out to me privately, be like, yeah, I
definitely had people offer to me, not just in UFC,
by the way, but in other places too. I mean,
by the way, no one's talking about this PC, but like,
do we think that this is not happening in PFL,
you know what I mean, Like, no one's paying attention,
But why would they be exempt from any of the
same kinds of pressures. But getting back to the question,

(41:35):
it is hard to know exactly how often it's happening
happening excuse me, but it's happening enough where it just
seems like it's an almost sort of semi normal ish
thing that's happening to fighters to at least be propositioned
for these offers, and that's enough of a problem where

(41:59):
it seems like I don't know what's going to happen
to Dulgarian, but I would be very very surprised if
it stops at him. Seems to me like the problem is,
I'm gonna guess much more pervasive, and the FBI really
needs to do something about it to restore confidence in
product integrity.

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Right because the timing is poor considering the NBA betting
scandal that's breaking out right now involving Damon Jones, Terry Roseier,
Chauncey Billups, and I think you mentioned a very key
part of this. We had a group of fighters initially
after this Dulgarian scandal started, including Vanessa Demopolist, what was it,
Vince Morales, who else, Luke land Landovada.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Pele may have been joking. He may have been joking, but.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
They all came out and said, yeah, it happened to me.
I've been solicited before, and then they all kind of
out of nowhere aggressively retracted it, saying it was a joke.
Here's Dana White in that same TMZ interview with a
quick reaction to exactly that, you know.

Speaker 9 (43:00):
You're seeing things out on the internet where like fighters
are coming out and going, oh, I was approached. I
was approached. Really, why didn't you tell us that? Or
more portly, why didn't you tell law enforcement that you
are approached? Now now you're saying that you were approached.
It's like if somebody comes up and says, hey, I
want you to rob a bank. I'm going to rob banks.
Want to rob a bank with me? Uh, and you don't,

(43:22):
but you're not gonna You're not gonna tell law enforcement.
They're gonna be approached now by the FBI.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
That's fucking illegal. Luke Thomas, what really happened here with
this whole I would know I was just joking.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
Thing, Well, I don't I Landovernada did seem like there
was a chance he was joking. I'd like to give
him the benefit of the doubt. I've I've known him
to be a straight shooter for most of my time
interacting with him, So maybe he was. But you know,
the other ones have said that. I again, I had
a fighter reach out to me and tell me that
it happened to them. You know, So these are anecdotal,

(43:55):
It's not You cannot survey the landscape with this kind
of thing, and that generally is going to make obviously
what we're saying to be very careful about what the
reality is here. But you know, Dan is asking like,
why wouldn't the fighters, Why wouldn't the fighters speak to him? Well,
I mean I would have. I have a couple of
theories about that. The first one is on a basic

(44:16):
level b C. Like there's just a general culture of
secrecy in the sport. A lot of things like what
happens in the gym stays in the gym, kind of
like they say it's about sparring, but it's a lot
about a lot of things, Like fighters might talk amongst themselves,
but in terms of like building a bridge to media
or in outside parties, a lot of that stuff just
sort of stays closely contained too. Again, I don't know
how how this Again it's not every fighter, but it

(44:38):
seems like a certain classifighter gets affected by this, they
get preyed upon essentially, you know, I don't I don't
know how pervasive it is, but I'm just sort of
pointing out why would they look why would they look
at the UFC as like the answer to their problems?
It seems like with the UFC views is that like, hey,
we're going to iron out your uniform policy and that'll

(45:00):
make you know, getting sponsors, you know, have to chase
sponsors down. We'll take care of that for you. We're
gonna give you some exit insurance. We'll take care of
that for you. We're gonna give you a PI, We'll
take care of that for you. And I think that
they kind of see that as like, hey, we we
we really have your best interest in mind. We can
take care of those things. But I think if you
talk to fighters privately, they don't necessarily not that like
the UFC doesn't do anything for them, but they don't

(45:22):
necessarily like look at them as like, oh, they they
are the people I would go to to really confide
in something very serious. More to the point, we see,
we don't know who's offering these fighters to do these things.
Are they dangerous people or are they just you know, degenerates.
I don't know, we don't know, We have no idea,
but I can just imagine that they're like, if you're

(45:42):
the UFC and you know this has been kind of
kept from you by the fighters, not by like some plan,
but just to happen that way, you have to ask yourself, like,
what kinds of lines of communication do you actually have
with your talent?

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I'm with you on that, Dana. Here's a tweet a
quote tweet of what Dana gave us. A message to
any fighter that wants to consider fixing moving forward, he says, quote,
I've been very vocal, very open about this. We will
be your worst enemy. We will immediately go after you,
guns blazing with the FBI and whoever else we need
to get, and we will do everything we can to

(46:16):
make sure you go to prison. End quote Luke. In hindsight,
should the UFC have called off that Dulgarian fight because
of the aggressive line movement or was it enough in
your eyes to talk to a fighter? According to Dana,
both Dulgarian and his lawyer said, we don't know any money,

(46:36):
any money to anybody. We have no enemies, we have
no injuries. We're gonna kill that kid. In hindsight, should
they have just pulled that fight and not even taken the.

Speaker 1 (46:45):
Chance we interrogate that? His lawyer said that, what does
that mean?

Speaker 2 (46:50):
How is it he is a manager? Manage?

Speaker 1 (46:52):
Yeah? Because this is that's what I was thinking, which
is again his manager might have like power of attorney
or something. But when we say like lawyer or who
is this? Who is this lawyer? I mean if I
was representing Dulgarian and I was his legal counsel, maybe
I wouldn't say anything, but I would. I would. It
would be known who the person was to field these questions, right,

(47:14):
This would be the person representing them. This person has
never been identified. I think he's just talking about his manager.
I can't say that with full certainty, but I'm it's
just weird to be like, oh, it's lawyer, as if
it's like a third party. Doesn't doesn't really mean that.
What was sorry to see was the first part of
that question. I apologize.

Speaker 2 (47:29):
Really, do you think they should have pulled that fight? Yes,
because of the suspicious nature of the betting.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
Of course they should have. Now, I the question is not, Hey,
anytime I see three sixty goes to you with some
kind of indication about betting that caught their attention, do
you automatically have to pull about Maybe that is a
little bit too much, but the amount that the Dulgarian
fight moved, which was like a full dollar amount in
terms of switching at the last minute, that was so

(47:53):
overwhelming that here's the problem, right, Ay, it was enough
of a movement where it's like a very clear threshold
to be like this one so suspicious that it's probably
a good idea to just get on the other side
of this and figure it out later. More to the
point BC, again, we don't know if Dulgarian actually committed
a crime. It is certainly still very much possible.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
They have donks. There's donks all over this game, Luke's
sonks exactly.

Speaker 1 (48:18):
He could just be a donk. We really don't know.
So the point I'm trying to make is that is
still possible. But of course the other possibility is that
he did commit a crime, which means the UFC was
given advance warning that this could happen and then still
let it go. There is some culpability to be shared
in a situation like that. The point of I three sixty.
And they do this stuff not just for UFC, for

(48:39):
every league, for NFL, for NHL, for you name it.
They do it for everybody. It's they're like, hey, this
is this is extra suspicious. I believe going forward that
again they can define some rules around this PC but
as a general rule, if IC three to sixty comes
to you ahead of time with the same day late

(49:00):
notice major fight movement. It is, dude, how essential was
that bout to that card? It was not essential at all.
You could remove it and people would not have known
the difference in any way, Stop the fight before it starts,
remove your own culpability from it, and I think the
UFC would be looking a lot better. I mean, and
not to say that this is one hundred percent their fault,
That's not what I'm saying, but to the extent that

(49:22):
they do have culpability, they could have really minimized it
with a little bit more foresight. And I think there
was indications given this week that going forward, I think
they're going to adhere to that practice a lot more.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Yeah, I would guess they would have to here. I mean,
they already survived one bullet with the James Cross scandal
with Derek Derek, Mike.

Speaker 1 (49:40):
Mayner, right, I think it's Minner, Derek.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
Minner, Jeff Molina, you know, loosely or greatly associated with
that whatever. This is interesting. We did have the coach
of Factory X, Mark Montoya, the trainer of Isaac Dulgarian. Obviously,
we haven't heard from Dulgarian publicly, but here was Mark
Montoya on the Ariel Hawani to show this. We to
talk about the greater impact of this scandal on him

(50:03):
his gym, and you know, everything going on here.

Speaker 10 (50:06):
I'm here because I want to first and foremost just
make sure that we clear the air. You know, my
my gym is being attacked, my integrity is being attacked,
and I just want to first and foremost say we've
we have nothing to do with any of these allegations
that are being brought upon us. People have asked me

(50:29):
what my opinions are. To speculate right now is not
my job. You know, My job is to right now
continue to lead and not react. And with that said,
you know, we we as a as a team. Myself,
as a person, I've never been involved in any type
of betting format. I've actually never even placed the sports

(50:50):
bet in my entire life.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
I couldn't tell you how to do it.

Speaker 10 (50:52):
And so you know, my job has always been to
train these guys to fight and win, train these guys
to in life.

Speaker 1 (51:00):
And those are my two jobs.

Speaker 10 (51:02):
And so you know I take that very seriously, and
you know, this is my life's work, and you can
bet your ass that I would never for any sort
of money, I would never sell my integrity or my word,
because in life, that's all you have.

Speaker 1 (51:19):
You have one thing. All these worldly things that we
look at, the.

Speaker 10 (51:24):
Cars, the houses, the money, all those things, those are worldly,
man made things. And you know, we go and we
leave ourselves with one thing when we leave this earth,
and that's our integrity and our word. And you couldn't
pay me any amount of money to get rid of that.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
And so I just want.

Speaker 10 (51:40):
To start by saying that it's a very unfortunate situation.
It's still unfolding, and you know, I just I'm just
not here to speculate.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
I'm here to speak fact.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
I mean, look, if I'm the UFC moving forward, I
don't call cash in the FBI you want this cleaned up,
I call too, to who the man who has his
own portion of the jail named after him?

Speaker 1 (52:06):
Oh yeah, you can do that too.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
H E is him Luke?

Speaker 5 (52:12):
You know?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Ye? Yeah, yeah, yeah, man. I mean, I don't know
what's happened at Factory X. I don't know what the
situation is. I'll just say if what's been suggested is true,
then they're gonna have a lot to deal with if
it's not. I mean, they might have some legal options

(52:35):
about how they can move forward about what's been said
about their gym. So this is a this is a dude.
It's the strange. It's a strange situation. It really really is.
I don't know what to say about it except stay tuned.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
Man to close on this, Luke. You know, I've seen
some writing from Kidnaid and Zach Arnold and the mm
draw about how dangerous a scandal like this is, and
I don't disagree when you consider such a large portion
of the audience for fight, nice warehouse cards, you know,
are betting. How does how could this get worse? Is

(53:09):
there a scenario where you're no longer going to be
allowed to bet on these fights? Or will the UFC
and the FBI make sure that never gets that well?

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I mean it's hard to say. I think partly what
we just indicated was some of these pre fight ICE
three sixty flags I think are going to start carrying
a lot more weight. That might solve an enormous amount
of problems. Again, because we don't really know the extent,
but potentially that could be quite useful. I think something
else to keep in mind, though, BC is you know,
we haven't even had a conversation here about what it
means for judges and referees in a year where some

(53:38):
of that has been crazy. And I know there's been
some suggestions about, you know, what X or y referee
has done, but we don't really have enough information to
say exactly what the truth is. Again, some of the
stuff needs to be investigated by the proper authorities, and
I guess we'll just have to be patient and see.
But that I think is still potentially a problem that
we'll need to get least some answers on. And you know,

(54:01):
I don't know what happens to the future of sports betting.
I've seen that, you know, because of the NBA scandal.
I've seen some suggestions because like people have said, oh,
the MMA scandal is the same as the NBA one,
but they're actually quite different. The Terry Rogier was accused
of like, you know, messing with people's prop bets, not
turning over game results by you know, this continuous effort

(54:22):
the whole way through to like sabotage or whatever in
terms of games, whereas in the in the MMA case,
there's a situation where it's like, hey, are the total
fights being fixed?

Speaker 11 (54:32):
Right?

Speaker 1 (54:32):
It's a very different, which I think, honestly somewhat more
substantive problem, least in terms of what they're attempting at
a bare minimum. You know, could there be an end
to prop betting or something like that? I really have
no idea. Again, this is the other part too, BC.
How do we know this is not happening in PFL?
How do we know this is not happening in boxing?

(54:53):
Is anyone really looking into it with the same kind
of you know, laser focus that you're seeing in these situations.
This is a process both in MMA and I think
more broadly in sports that's gonna unfold and we're gonna
have to see what happens.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
I mean, there's levels to things. You know, there was
speculation here. That's that sixteen million dollars moved with the
line switches for this Dulgarian fight and the large amount
of bets that were placed. Maybe it happens on like
much smaller levels in boxing or PFL in those other situations.
But like when that much amount of money for a

(55:29):
fight of this little significance, when those two things come together,
that's when it's gonna raise those flags and lead to this. Yeah,
we'll see where it goes here. Let's go on to
topic number three. H John Jones took off his comedic
eye patch and came out of hiding this week to
appear on something called the No Scripts podcast, where he
proceeded to take a squad on Tom Aspinall like that

(55:52):
gross episode of Oz, calling Aspinall everything from a one
trick pony to overrated to a quitter. In fact, his
comments were so spicy. Yeah, you already knew it. We
called up our friends at Quervo for something we like
to call shots fire, and of course shots Fired brought

(56:16):
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pieces of sound here surrounding Jones. Here's the first one
as he breaks down Aspinall's nearly one round no contest
against Cyril Gon or Cereal Gain at UFC three twenty one.

Speaker 12 (56:35):
Talk to me about what you saw in his fight
with Dynamy, because God looked like he was controlling the
fight with Cerril Gone.

Speaker 11 (56:40):
Yeah, Tom's a great athlete, but I do feel like
he's a one trick pony. I believe that his wrestling
in jiu jitsu is incredibly overrated. He has a beautiful
one two. I got to learn a lot about his
patterns in his last fight. That's really about it. That's
the one thing that he's setting up real nice. He
couldn't touch cerial Gain at all. That's the way I felt.
I felt like Gain was just getting warmed up. Gaine's
hands was done. He's shaking, his shoulders, bunted around.

Speaker 1 (57:03):
He was so he busted him open.

Speaker 11 (57:06):
He was so comfortable.

Speaker 13 (57:07):
I think Tom was looking for a way out and
he took it. He needs to change his game long.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
I look at you. Also play the one about quitter
next right now, Thank you Tom.

Speaker 11 (57:16):
When when Tom gets hurt, it's like he's like immediately incapacitated,
immediately shut down. It's like you poked my eye and
then he's like immediately, there was no like.

Speaker 13 (57:28):
He never tried to look. It was rag on the
eye immediately.

Speaker 11 (57:31):
The silliest looking cat on National TV.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
He's just trying. He didn't try.

Speaker 11 (57:36):
Same thing with Curtis plays when he when he hurt
his knee, there was no limping, there was no trying
to get up. It was just like, immediately, yep, burn
my village.

Speaker 1 (57:44):
I can't go on.

Speaker 13 (57:45):
He doesn't have the dog in him that kill or
be killed.

Speaker 11 (57:48):
Immediately quits. Yeah, when he got tapped out with an
ankle lock, there was there was no trying to fight
his hands, there were no trying to He immediately quit.

Speaker 13 (57:56):
You see the pattern immediately, And I said, I noticed
the profile pick change and then you had someone on
your horse too, similars that I.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
Was just having fun, having fun with the ipatch, I.

Speaker 11 (58:05):
Having phone with it. Yeah, like you know, he had
at it with me. He had a long time coming
at me. So it's just it's to keep the fans engaged.
Of course, it's just to keep things fun.

Speaker 2 (58:16):
So Luke, considering it was only five months ago that
John Jones retired to despite rumors of generational money being
offered to unify Belts against aspinall, did this interview confirm
that Bony just passed Ronda Rousey as the most insufferable
fighter in UFC history or does he have a point

(58:37):
with his criticism.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
I mean, I just who cares, bro I mean, I'm
with the fans on this one. I don't know why
we're talking about this bullshit? Like, what do you want
me to say? I mean, is there something to what
he says about Tom? Maybe some Yeah, sure Tom does
have a nice one too. He's very athletic, but he
could be overrated relative to the public perceived him. Although

(58:58):
that's something that might be crashed. There's something to be
said for that. But it's like, even if all that
is true, then why the fuck did you run from him?
You know what I mean? Like it doesn't It's just
a really weird situation where it's like, could there be
validity to some of the criticisms that John is sharing
about Tom, particularly in light of the last fight. Of course,
of course there could be some truth to that. You know,

(59:19):
John is a keen observer in general of his opponents,
but it doesn't to me. It's like, Dude, the guy
is clearly he's just an opportunist, you know, He's an
opportunist and and you know, and I'm not inter I
can only speak for myself. I'm not interested in him

(59:41):
fighting again. I realized that the fan base will decide that,
and Daniel will decide that, and it doesn't matter what
I think. I totally get it. But I saw the
best of his career, the last part of it has
been terrible to sit through. These podcast interviews make it
even worse. Like if he's gonna fight, fine, I'll wait
for that and I'll cover that like anything else, and

(01:00:02):
we'll discuss it at the time. But he I just don't.
I just genuinely don't care what he has to say,
and it doesn't move me one way or the other.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
Yeah, my response was fuck off after watching this. This
is what we call in pro wrestling, go away heat xbox.
He like, get off my screen.

Speaker 1 (01:00:17):
He yeah, So why is he talking to the microphone
like this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
Yeah, at least talk Damon Martin style and like eat it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
Luke, Right, just like I talk to the microphone. There
should be a fist between your face and the microphone,
not ten feet. Okay, all right, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Well John Jones would go on in that interview to
say he actually took He said it was his fault,
how that aspinall thing happened and fell apart, but claims
that he believes Dana White will we'll turn it around
and allow him to fight again. Here's John Jones talking
about that potential return.

Speaker 1 (01:00:50):
It's the big card.

Speaker 13 (01:00:51):
You keep talking about that you want to be on
a White House card, right, Yeah? Who do you want
for that? You want Pereira?

Speaker 11 (01:00:57):
I like to fight Alex Pereiro at the White House. Yeah.
I feel like he's incredibly respectful. I feel like he's
a household name in America. In MMA, everybody knows who
he is. He's a champion, He's in the conversation of
being one of the greatest fighters of all time. It
would be a block buster event. I think the whole
world will come out. I've beat many Brazilians over the

(01:01:18):
course of my life. Many it's the people that have
beat the most either way, that fight where to go.
No one loses in that fight. It generates so many
millions for the sport. There's just no losing me. You
have such high level of people competing and respect each other.

Speaker 12 (01:01:31):
And I think too, like when you talk about the
White House and having the greatest American fighter of all time,
I mean, how can you have a White House card
without literally the go the go. So it's like this
is something that can be such a big events, especially
with you headlining it, whether it's Perera or if obviously we.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Saw what happened with the aspinall fight.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Most recently.

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Look a lot of glau glaw glag going out in
that interview. I gotta say I took umbradge aggressively with
the Pereira is light mark Hey here, by the way,
I believe is the only time Tom and John have
been seen on camera each other. Let's see how impolite
Tom was here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I'm gonna do this thing.

Speaker 13 (01:02:12):
I would hop the ri spang all the let's get
it face off.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
No, No, I.

Speaker 11 (01:02:22):
Was sitting there with them with a face like I
wasn't scared would be that on the side.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
I was terrified, terrified.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
Look, how could you be literally the greatest fighter of
all time and then be this awful on the other side.
And I'm not even talking about the arrests and all that.
Bs like just being a damn bitch about this, right,
You're like, come on, bro.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Once again, dude, I don't know why we're doing I
just don't care. I mean again, if he fights in
the White House, we'll take a moment to like talk
about what that means and blah blah blah, and if
it's if it's Tom, if it's if it's Alex. Okay,
when that becomes a relevant thing, that we have to
present to the world, then we'll present it to the world.
But as it stands, I like the John Jones podcast

(01:03:04):
or could not be more boring if they tried.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Oh at Ishmael Bonfem missed weigh by five pounds. Holy shit,
Oh boy.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
I will have you know, Luke that the Nelk Boys podcast,
which recently had bb Net and Yahoo on it, just
had Eric Trump on it. And Eric Trump said John
Jones has to be on this card, has to Luke.
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You euphemistically expect the unexpected when Oscar Willis comes into

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Not even just Connor Dude, a lot of other people too.
He's got people ask me like, oh, you know, you
know there's a lot of secrecy in the sport. Wait
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just do wait.

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Speaker 1 (01:05:58):
It's an a card, it's an a car.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
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Topic number four. We don't have to linger too long
on this. You already know Jake Paul Gervonte Davis. It's
canceled November fourteenth on Netflix. Since then, we've seen Jake

(01:06:22):
enter a war of war with Francis Nganu. We've seen
Jake announce that he's going to postpone his return to
sometime in December, and we've seen everyone from Nate dis
jumping out and saying he's accepted the fight. Now, officially,
no new opponent has been announced, but the fallout of
this announcement did create a mini debate as to whether
the civil lawsuit pending against Tank for domestic violas violence

(01:06:45):
was actually the reason why the fight was sacked, with
critics calling out Paul's virtue signaling of saying the fight
isn't happening because he runs a female first boxing promotion.
Look quickly on this, how much of a role do
you believe the actual poor ticket sales, not to mention
the apathy for this fight in the boxing world played

(01:07:07):
in this fight getting canceled, and we can throw up
the This was the ticket Master seat map as recently
as October twenty eighth. Those blue seats are the ones
that were still available. Do you believe the narrative here?

Speaker 5 (01:07:22):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
No, I mean it's obviously a stupid pretext. I mean,
I'm not one of these people that thinks like the
charge of virtue signaling is thrown around way too much,
Like sometimes people are just generally trying to be good
and people are like, oh, you're making a big show
of it. But in this particular case, it seems a
well applied term because dude, none of this was exactly
not known about Dravante before the fight. I mean, the

(01:07:46):
guy was already on fucking not for the domestic violence
part of it, but he was already on probation like
his this was this was just the latest chapter in
a long string of them. And remember there was a
recent amount where I think it was a recent charges
that were dropped against him because the person in that
particular case, the alleged victim, refused to I think move

(01:08:07):
forward with the case, so they I think they opted me,
had to drop it. But like this was well known, Dude,
is am I misremembering? Didn't Jake Paul in some of
the press conferences tease Jervonte about domestic violence? Like this
was super well known. So this is obviously a bullshit

(01:08:27):
pretext that I mean we talked about it before. Jervonte,
you know, I mean, was putting no effort into this.
It seemed there I think people were. I don't think
Jake really understands how much he turned people off with
that Mike Tyson fight. It was a disaster.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
That escalated it to Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, I mean, there's just been a lot that people
have been like, ugh, we've kind of seen what the
Jake Paul experiences. We don't really want to do this anymore. Again,
we were participants in it for a while too, but
it seems like it's unless it's going to be something
other than what it's been, has really run its course
and the market was responding in a way that they
just didn't have any interest. Again, Dravante wasn't making it
easy for them by the way which she was going

(01:09:09):
about it. But this is just obviously a bullshit pretext
thing because you know, I mean, didn't Jake Paul fight
in Saudi?

Speaker 2 (01:09:15):
Like yeah, I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
Mean, like, dude, you're wanting to do business with a
theocratic monarchy, Like, please stop with this pretension of what
this all means to you, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I mean I tweeted out that it was, you know,
obvious that the ticket sales were were the major reason,
and Nikisha badari And of MVP tweeted back at me
and said that's funny. And I know Ariel has like
said yeah, yeah, he was like that's funny, as if
I you know, it wasn't true, and then I know
Ariel's made the case that like it was never going
to be about the live gate because of the money

(01:09:46):
they're getting from Netflix. But and whether they would have
papered the arena or not, which does happen a lot
in boxing. I'm not gonna act like it doesn't. People
were just done. People were just done with this stupid fight,
and rightfully so. Here's quickly the Jake tweet in which
he announced it attacking Jervonte, basically saying Tank is a actual, walking,
human piece of garbage. Working with him was an absolute nightmare,

(01:10:09):
the nightmare of the unprofessionalism, the bizarre requests, the showing
up hours late to shoot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Okay, hold on, hold on, he's right about that part. Piece, Yeah,
he is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:18):
He is.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
He's absolutely one hundred percent. We've had to deal with
Tank on the showtime side with shit like that. He
is tough to deal with, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
The Ryan Garcia press conference in which you and I
vamped for ninety minutes and didn't know we were going
to until they were counting down in our air three
two one. He had not even left the private airport
in Miami at that point to come to the New
York press conference. So that is what you're dealing with. Jake.
Paul would just go on to you know, talk bad
about him and all that. Uh luke. Here's the interesting thing.

(01:10:48):
There were reports that Jake offered, of course, contracts to
everyone from Ryan Garcia to Andre Ward to Francis and Gano.
But Francis and Gano talked to Team Z Sports and
he seemed like he wasn't interested.

Speaker 14 (01:11:00):
Let's listen, how how can how can they go from
like Givante Davis to Francis and come on like the
way different and everything?

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
It makes no sense. It makes no sense.

Speaker 14 (01:11:13):
Did I reached out the other day and tell me
how they need a replacement for Givante? Then I say, okay,
what can I do for you? He said, yeah, we're
looking for a replacement. But I still haven't getted. I
was like, okay, then, what exactly can I do for you?
Like we would think about you? To fact Jack, I'm

(01:11:33):
like what, I'm like, whush?

Speaker 5 (01:11:35):
Jake?

Speaker 14 (01:11:36):
I was so confused. I'm like, no, bro, come on,
don't disrespect me like that. He sent out some number.
I'm like, it's not about the number. I'm not just interested.

Speaker 2 (01:11:47):
He makes no sense for me, is it flattering at
least that that they're thinking about you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
I think it's disrespectful.

Speaker 5 (01:11:53):
Instead we work flattering.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
Come on, I mean, I get it if you're saying
it from a standpoint of don't don't reach out to
me as a last man and opponent with some small offer,
like actually announced that you're willing to fight me, pay
me what I deserve, and build to it. Because look,
I mean, the argument for me is that that's the
fight where JA can recruit re That's the fight where
Jake can best outside of fighting for like a legitimate

(01:12:19):
cruiserweight title. That's the fight where Jake can get the
most street cred back even in a loss, just for
taking it, like if he actually would if he cares
about actual boxing street cred, like maybe he would get
a little if he rematched Tommy Fury, which is his
only pro loss. I think the Anganu fight is his
super Bowl, and I've said that from the beginning, because
that's a fight in which I would think almost anyone

(01:12:40):
would pick against him and assume he would get hurt
and knocked out. Yet if he can win that, I'm
not of the belief he's of the world title level.
To me, the Anganu fight is like the crossover bubble
celebrity super Bowl. We did see a back and forth
on Twitter between these two. We can briefly check it
out here, in which Francis said, choose your words wisely, boy.

(01:13:02):
I agree that you need someone to discipline you for
what you did to Mike Tyson, but stay in your lane.
Jake would say, my lane helped your lane. I spoke
up for you over and over again. No more. Look
at yourself in the mirror. God don't like ugly. Maybe
the truth is you are a fake holier than now
actor when it's always been just about you. Maybe you
use your platform to speak on the youth of our

(01:13:23):
country posting a flag, ain't it, instead of doing TMZ
interviews like a con man to talk about me reality
Teck I sleep you in boxing and John Jones does
in MMA. I guess whatever. That's pretty lame. Lt. We
also had Natz coming out with this IG post in
which he said he accepts the rematch. I'm not gonna

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act like you care or I really care. But if
it's not in Ghanu, is there any other opponent where
you might.

Speaker 1 (01:13:50):
Do anything but turn the channel, Joshua?

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
Even though that that's murder.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah, okay, sweet, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
I mean do you agree with me that that in
Ghanu should be the fight that like they should build
to this now and Don Davis should get involved too,
put in the damn smart cage. However you do it.
This is the fight for Jake.

Speaker 1 (01:14:14):
Long Island. Luke hates this fight Long Island, Luke, why
do you hate a Jake Paul, Francis and Ghana fight.

Speaker 4 (01:14:19):
No, you guys were saying in the group chat, I
don't know why Francis wouldn't just take this, And I said,
because it's a lose lose for Francis. Either he beats
Jake Paul and everyone goes, well, no shit, Francis beat
Jake Paul, or you lose to Jake Paul and everyone's like,
oh god, Francis lost to Jake Paul. So there's like, sure,
if he wants a big payday, that's that's the benefit obviously,

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But if you're set in near Francis, like why even
why even put yourself on that level. It's kind of
like what I was thinking with Tank Tank. You have
all this money, maybe he's spending it all, but like,
why are you wasting? Why are you tainting your legacy
by doing this when you have plenty of money. I
don't understand it.

Speaker 5 (01:15:00):
You see.

Speaker 1 (01:15:00):
I'll just say this, if he made Netflix money and
then stretched Jake, Paul Francis and Ghanu would be a
hero in MMA four for the rest of time.

Speaker 2 (01:15:09):
He really would, He really really would. That is topic
number four. Hey, topic five. Finally, Oh freakin' finally, we've
got a fight to get excited about in boxing and
considering the abs absolute urinal cakes being presented to us
in the boxing schedule over the second half of this
calendar year, Saturday's Dezonne Showdown from Fort Worth, Texas, matching

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top junior middleweights Virgil Ortiz Junior, the unbeaten from Dallas
and Ericson Lubin, the former title challenger who was only
lost at the highest level to Jermel Charlow and in
a fight of the year against Sebastian Frondora. They're gonna
touch down and trade punches this Saturday, where Tez might

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be fighting for a chance to face Drawn Bootsennis in
his next bout, although Eddie hernan Oscar d Hoyer going
back and forth a bit this week about that and
Lubin by the way, this would be the biggest victory
of his career and would face and send him directly
into a title opportunity as they'll fight for the interim
WBC title at one fifty four. But it's really about

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putting themselves in position.

Speaker 11 (01:16:18):
Now.

Speaker 2 (01:16:18):
The odds are pretty wide according to DraftKings or Virgil
Ortiz a minus one thousand favorite. We do see that
a lot in boxing though, plus six hundred for Lubin.
But we know this is going to be exciting and
we know a lot of at stake. Luke, in your opinion,
as we watched the face off here between the two

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fighters from a recent press conference, what's the most exciting
aspect of this matchup in your eyes?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
I'm gonna say that Lubin is a puncher. Do you
agree with that? BC Heck, yeah, yeah, he's a puncher. Now,
obviously he's got that first round loss to Charlo whatever.
But in general, and you know, he got beaten up
by Fundora over the course of time and busted up
his face and it's swollowed up, looked like he had
been stung by a thousand bees. But in general, like
Lubin is pretty skilled and definitely a good puncher and

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B see, I'll say this, I think Ortiz I'm not
gonna call him a slickster. I don't think that's quite right.
But he's got a few more tricks than I think
he gets credit for. But when you marry that with
the kind of pressure that he puts on, you know,
you kind of wonder if Lubin is gonna be able
to stand up to it. At the same time, he
does make himself available for counter punching or you know,

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a big shot from a guy like Lubin. Lubin is
a puncher, you know, he's a puncher in you know,
in a sport world everyone is, so he's he can crack.
What does that do to Ortiz if he starts to
get hit with some of those now again, BC just
put my cards on the table. I feel like Ortiz
in the odds speak to that. Obviously, he's kind of
going to overwhelm Lubin, but it could definitely be a
little bit touch and go if Lubin is able to

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get into a rhythm in the early round.

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
I agree with you. Lubin's been a nice run since
that wild All Action lost to Fandora back in twenty
twenty two, he stopped Luis cuba arias a very good,
uh you know, gatekeeper type fighter. He took a close decision,
went over I'm beating Hezeus Ramos, and then he stopped
unbeating Ardrelle Holmes Junior in the eleventh round to get

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to this point despite the odds against him. Of course,
Ortiz the bigger name, the brighter ceiling when you consider
at twenty seven, he's twenty three and oh with twenty one,
KOs never got to face the elite at welterweight because
he was avoided.

Speaker 13 (01:18:30):
Then.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Of course he had that two year gap in the
midst of his prime when he had that muscle disease
what was that called Luke ram boyosis.

Speaker 1 (01:18:38):
Oh rabdomialysis right with rabdo for short.

Speaker 2 (01:18:44):
Which killed his way cuts, threatened actually his his health.
He did come back though, in less less than two
years ago. In the run he's been on a one
fifty four has been great, stopped veterans Frederick Lawston and
Thomas DeLorme, got up off the canvas twice to out
duel Sir hey Boa Chuck in a Fight of the
Year contender, But really it was his last fight in
February of this year when he went in there against

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former champion Israel Madramov and for the first time at
the highest level, showed that his boxing and his IQ
with Robert Garcia in his corner, is on the same
level of his two handed punching ability, his body work,
his square up and brawl ability. So we're gonna see action,
We're gonna see fun right here. Let's first hear from
ericson Lubin and then Ortiz during their face off with

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Todd Grisham.

Speaker 1 (01:19:29):
A lot of people do not want to fight this guy.
He has been avoided, and yet you've been calling him out.

Speaker 3 (01:19:33):
What are you seeing him that makes you think you
can beat him?

Speaker 15 (01:19:37):
I feel like he's a great fighter. I just feel
like right now is my time. I feel like I
faced the toughest guys in the division, and I'm just
ready to prove myself. You know, this is my third
undefeated fighter in a row and top ten contender, and
I'm just looking to solidify myself as the best one
hundred and fifty four pounder.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
When you heard his name being mentioned as a potential opponent,
what did you think.

Speaker 16 (01:20:02):
I thought that this was a great fight, you know,
He's like, like we've been saying he's been in there
with the best, and uh, you know that's I just
want to fight the best.

Speaker 3 (01:20:13):
That's really it.

Speaker 5 (01:20:13):
You know.

Speaker 16 (01:20:14):
I don't get again anything against anybody. I'm just a
competitive person.

Speaker 2 (01:20:19):
Now. Luke Ortiz was supposed to fight Boots Ennis for
Giranas's one fifty four debut. He says he signed a contract.
He claims Boots pulled out of that took on that
guy Lima that no one had heard of, and by
the way, he destroyed Lima in one round. But Erickson
Lubin does believe that Ortiz and team are looking past him,
talking too much about that Girana in this fight, even

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though at the press conference, uh victor or Virgil Ortiz
refused to even mention uh giron unis his name. Here's
one more clip here from Lubin talking with Brian Custer.
This is an opportunity for me to shut everybody up.

Speaker 17 (01:20:55):
Tell us what you meant by that, you know, with
with with Virgiots and Boots, you know they're they're looking
past me.

Speaker 3 (01:21:02):
You know they they're they're looking.

Speaker 17 (01:21:04):
To create fantasy matches way before you know anything like
this happens you know, this is a big fight right here.
This is Virgo Ortiz's biggest fight, biggest test in my opinion,
and this is one of my biggest fights, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
But I fought I fought the cream of the crop
of the division.

Speaker 17 (01:21:20):
I fought Fundorras, I fought Charlo, I fought Ramos, And
you know, me fighting a guy like Virgo Ortiz, I'm
just I'm highly prepared. Like I'm I'm I'm extremely prepared
for this fight, and I'm looking to mess.

Speaker 3 (01:21:33):
Up all those plans.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
Let's see what happens here. Look, I think it's gonna
be explosive. I think you obviously have to favor Ortiz.
The odds aren't wrong in that regard, given the fact
that Lubin's only two losses he did get knocked out.
That does factor in. But if Lubin tries to make
this a war early, I think that's gonna be his
best chance to to compete in a in more of
a firefight, even with that chin, because I don't think

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he can out box Ortiz.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
I don't think he can out box or Ties either,
certainly not over the long haul. Do I think he
can win key stretches. I do be see. I Lubin
is one of those guys where we kind of thought
when we were first, when we first start working a
showtime together, Lubin was one of the guys that we thought, Hey,
this guy might actually turn around and do something. And
he's not been some kind of dramatic failure, but he
hasn't exactly fulfilled the promise. Nevertheless, part of the reason

(01:22:21):
why he had that promise was because I think some
of his technical abilities he couldn't make this interesting. I
just feel like when Ortiz has his foot on the
gas and he's moving downhill, we've seen Lubin not quit
or anything, but just get overwhelmed. And I feel like
that is probably what's going to happen. But would be curious,
I mean if to your point me see, if Lubin
got this win, this would be hugely restorative for his career.

Speaker 2 (01:22:45):
Yeah, the title holders in this division, of course, Sebastian Fondora,
Bakra Mertizaliev, and then the two other title title holders
just signed to face each other, Xander Zaias against that
other guy that no one's ever heard of, Lou They're
going to unify titles. It's a guy's name, a bass
or something like that. I don't know much about that, dude,
But oddly enough, for as much as Ortiz has been

(01:23:08):
avoided and has never actually been in a title fight,
the fight against Ennis, if he advances to it would
be the biggest fight in the division between arguably the
two best fighters, and there wouldn't be a belt at stake. So, Luke,
maybe we do have a problem with these with this
sanctioning body bullshit. You know what I'm saying, like this
is all a bunch of bullshit. Oscar de la Hoya

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at the press conference this week did challenge Boots, said,
don't even come to the fight. We know you're not
going to take the fight against orchies, and then Boots
put a tweet of their of Oscar talking in a
very a video of Oscar talking in a very zesty voice.
Luke to sort of pile on him, But I hope
they make that fight if Ortiz advances in early twenty six,

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Boots versus Ortiz would be a that'd be a that'd
be that's as good as he gets here in this division.
But check this out on Saturday on his own. The
undercard blows, but that it's just what it ultimately is
all right. Those are our five topics this week. Now
we turned to some fans segments, and you can reach
out to our program using the email address Morningcombat at

(01:24:12):
gmail dot com. Say hi to Mikey. Please no explicit photos.
It's your opportunity to complain, say hi to the show
or send in your dead wrongs and fan subs. And
we kick off this Friday fun segment here by by
standing trial on Budsman style. We don't always get it right.

(01:24:32):
You guys are there to call us out when we
get it wrong, but you better have a receipt, receipt
and you better not be a bitch. It's called dead
wrong then wrong, all right, Long Island, Luke, you got
thank you on Long Island? Look a boss a boss barrow?

(01:24:53):
Is that other one fifty four title?

Speaker 3 (01:24:55):
Hold there?

Speaker 2 (01:24:55):
I don't even know how got the belt. Look this
this sport used to be great, but now it sucks
the whole. Okay, here we go the first one, Luke
from our boy Daz.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
You know that dude, right backup on that ass and
give these motherfuckers a blast from the past.

Speaker 2 (01:25:09):
Uh Daz, says the Looha Donks on Monday's November third show.
There's no timestamp as I'm sending this during the live stream,
but during the end of topic three, while recapping other
fights from the apex, BC, in discussing the man who submitted,
Sidricus Dumas says Dakota Johnson came in six and oh

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with six first round knockouts. Maybe it was a slip
of the tongue, or maybe BC's mind was subconsciously on
other things, because Dakota Johnson is an actress known for
known four fifty Shades series, whereas Dante Johnson is now
a seven to oher prospect credited with six ko's in

(01:25:52):
one submission. Apologies, I know this is very pedantic, as
always very appreciative for all the combat sports coverage in
chat live streams. So luke Dante Johnson, not Dakota Johnson.
I must have had fifty Shades on the brain. And
did you hear that Dante Johnson was going to turn
around on a one week notice and be on this
Saturday's card with the Nevada Commission said he's medically not

(01:26:14):
clear to return. I don't think he got touched against
Sadrikas Dumas am I wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
I think they're probably acting out of an abundance of
caution giving everything. You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
So yeah, you're probably right, but I did get that wrong.
Thank you Daz for getting up on that. As Our
second one is from Simon, he says on Monday Show.
During the DMS, Luke preferred to retired MMA fighter Tom
dukin Wha as Fireball Kid, but duken WA's nickname is
actually fire Kid. The Fireball Kid is to take that

(01:26:47):
out of Luke. Okay, all right, down longstop.

Speaker 3 (01:26:51):
The ball in my way?

Speaker 1 (01:26:52):
You understand?

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Okay, This one's from Mathis. He says. Hey, I'm a
longtime listener but a first time emailer. And at one
hour and twenty five minutes on Monday, when discussing featherweights,
BC explains why there are some contenders at the top
who are still aren't known to the casual fan base.
He says, quote, no one really knows about Laron Murphy,
especially not until the spinning backfist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:15):
BC.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
If you're gonna rep French Canadia, you have to do better.
Go rewatch the highlight. It's spinning elbow, clear as day,
elbow flush to Aaron Pico's face. Anyway, love the show,
keep it up Mondays and Fridays are the best ways
to start.

Speaker 3 (01:27:33):
And end the week.

Speaker 2 (01:27:34):
I take that out of Luke. It's a spinning back elbow,
but it's all spinny shit to me.

Speaker 3 (01:27:39):
To be fair, all right, whatever I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:27:42):
Our final dead wrong comes from Adam, who says, at
one six of have You Seen the Ship? BC said,
never pass out at a Johnny Rockets diner. That is
dead wrong. The place where Jake Paul's next opponent passed
out is that In and Out Burger, same color scheme. Though,

(01:28:03):
to be fair, you probably didn't know this place because
BC only knows Arby's and Luke only knows the joseph
a Bank restroom. Love the show and the weird sexual
tension between you two. Look, if we ever end this show,
I think there's fans out there who still wanted to
end in sex.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
And our fans are gonna come to us like Robert
Redford and offer to have us bang for enormous sum
of money.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Just so unnecessary to be fair, I mean, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
Just not even Charlie Sheen would do it, right, Is that?
Is that what you take?

Speaker 14 (01:28:33):
It?

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Is true? By the way, Charlie Sheen's interview on all
the Smoke with with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson was tremendous.
But yes, Charlie Sheen did did did cross over there
during his crack years.

Speaker 4 (01:28:44):
Luke, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
I don't know if he was ever in through the outdoor,
but that's you know, let's go. It's a decent death
that led Zeppel the album to be fair right it
is full in the Rain. Okay, all right, babe, Oh yeah, right,
come on, well, Luke's rocking out to that. I know

(01:29:08):
it right long Island, Luke. Okay, oh Luke, what is Eltie?
Do you have a favorite led Zeppelin album or does
our classic rock talk stop here?

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
I don't know if I have a favorite album, but
you know I certainly like and respect them greatly.

Speaker 2 (01:29:23):
Okay, thank you for that, Thank you for that. Our
final segment of the week allows Saoul to update you
on his life and maybe we'll see the Paquette cousins
back together. Hey, this one's called fan submissions.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
You've got mail feures.

Speaker 2 (01:29:41):
Thank you Gaff Pierre for that. Speaking of Saul of
Louisville fame, he says, twas the night before Halloween and
Arby's was on my mind. Come to find out, they
got a Thanksgiving sandwich. Tried to go behind the dumpster
to really get the full flavor, but they locked up
the so I grabbed my whipped cream can and went home.

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Then came Halloween and a small miracle happened. My MK
shirt arrived just in time to hand candy out. I
sat on my front porch and hooked up my VHS
TV combo and watched Silence of the Lambs and Terrifire
MK all day. Luke, who lives better than Soul?

Speaker 1 (01:30:22):
Seriously, a man is literally eating in the back of
an RB's doing whipp its.

Speaker 2 (01:30:26):
That is that is so good, tremendo tremendous. Wow, Soul's
the best, the best, the best, arguably the donk of
the year this year are very arguably. We'll see what
happens though. Our second fan sub comes from John, who
sends a video with no comments at all. Was there

(01:30:51):
supposed to be audio there? I don't know if i's where.

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
It's the meme where he says I'm tired balls that one. Yes,
I have with the Green Mile.

Speaker 2 (01:31:00):
That's not wrong though, Okay, that's definitely not wrong.

Speaker 1 (01:31:03):
I can't I can't comment on that, but it may
there may be something to that. BC.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
All right, our final fan sub comes from Andrea. Is
Andrea a man's name? Or is this Andrea? Is this
an American?

Speaker 1 (01:31:15):
Iel? A woman's name? All right?

Speaker 2 (01:31:17):
She says, greetings, Long Island, Luke, DC, Luke, and ct
E BC. I'm one of your very very very few
female viewers in a longtime fan MK since day one.
I've been following Luke since twenty seventeen, and I even
laugh at BC's dad jokes save to say I should

(01:31:38):
probably seek therapy and I desperately need a life. The
three twenty one pregame preview with the always brilliant Chuck
Mindenhall inspired me to this classic meme, hoping to make
you guys laugh like you've been making me laugh over
the years, Luke, what does this say?

Speaker 1 (01:31:56):
They're talking about your phone cover and they're doing a
Forrest Gump bit where he was talking about it was
Chuck's most Chucks. I apologize and it's Brook Trout Lake
trout Cut wrote trout Rainbow trout That's about it.

Speaker 14 (01:32:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:32:13):
She would close hear Andrea by saying, all the best
of you, donks, greeting from Austria. It's Andrea, and I
would love to hear Luke trying to pronounce my name
in German, she says, Strudel. Is there a special pronunciation
for Andrea in German?

Speaker 1 (01:32:35):
I don't. I couldn't. I couldn't even fake a German
I don't. I don't know how to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:32:40):
Look, would you have consummated with Andrea from Beverly Hills
now two and oh even though she was in her
mid thirties playing a high school teenager? Yeah, I was
the one with the glasses who had the heart on
for Brandon.

Speaker 1 (01:32:51):
By the way, I drove through Austria once in two
thousand and one. It is a beautiful country.

Speaker 2 (01:32:57):
I would assume. Did you see Arnold's house where he
was born?

Speaker 1 (01:33:01):
And well, no, no, I didn't get down there, but
it's on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Okay, okay, good stuff.

Speaker 14 (01:33:06):
There.

Speaker 2 (01:33:06):
Those are our fan submissions. You can reach out at
Morningcombat at gmail dot com if you want to make
fan submissions great again, or just make us laugh or
show us your kids. Whatever you do, we're here for you,
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It's the best way to support the show. Lt. You
already knew that this episode was brought to you by DraftKings,
because of course DraftKings. The crown is yours. Are you

(01:34:13):
currently crowning like the King of England?

Speaker 5 (01:34:15):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
I went before the show.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
Okay, you're you're more in like your Prince Andrew Era
right now?

Speaker 1 (01:34:22):
Didn't he just get like, I don't know what the
word is, but like defrocked or whatever for it is,
for deroyaled, whatever it is for that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Yeah, don't because yeah, in that country they took seriously
his connections to that man, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Yeah, probably also them just realizing it's eventually the stuff's
gonna get out and it's gonna make him look bad,
so I might as well cut ties now.

Speaker 2 (01:34:39):
You know, as well just get him out of the fielding.
So he was married to Fergie, right.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
That's why I understand that. But you know, there are
people who obsess about the royals, and I think that's lame,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
Yeah, dude, they as I told you when I toured
Buckingham Palace and was making Prince Harry jokes like you know,
that's my Prince, they did. The people I work there,
they were not happy.

Speaker 1 (01:35:02):
Much like the DC employees. They found you not very
charming at all.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Yeah, that they were not ready for that level of humor.
But you know, shout out to Prince Harry just the same.
All right, let's say goodbye to our producer director here
Long Island, Luke. You know his podcast The Main Card Minute.
You know his program called prop Quiz. When does this air?

Speaker 4 (01:35:24):
Fifty minutes on the dock? Guys, tune in over a
Main Card Minute, Danny Sigura versus Jose Young's It's a
banger back and forth matchup. Tune in to see who
faces Bend the Pain. Also full card watch along tomorrow
four pm Eastern Time, Tuner with Gaffney with Gaffney, my boy,
let's go.

Speaker 1 (01:35:41):
That's great stuff, you think BC. Let me ask you
think that. Do you think Long Island's ever going to
get married?

Speaker 3 (01:35:46):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:35:46):
Yes, I do, Yes, I do. I've never met his
lady though, no Cea, you won't bring her on the show.
That's never gonna.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Happen, right, I feel like she would gladly come on
the show.

Speaker 2 (01:35:56):
I'm not going, really why because my wife is like, no, go,
do not talk about me, do not show me on
the show.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
My wife's the same.

Speaker 4 (01:36:04):
Well, see, I like how you guys keep your your
wives separate. So that's kind of what I always thought
I would do. But she's always like, oh come on.
I'm like, all right, chill, okay.

Speaker 2 (01:36:13):
I mean LT we should set this up, right, we should?

Speaker 1 (01:36:16):
Yeah? I would. I would like to. I would like
to interview her.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Now, would you rather interview her or his Australian father her?

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Okay? He probably ignores both of them in equal amounts,
but the lady's going to have better.

Speaker 4 (01:36:29):
Stories, I think, Yeah, I think if she leaves me
after the interview, like, do I get any compensation for that?

Speaker 1 (01:36:37):
You had a coming, fella, you had it coming, all
the merch you can wear?

Speaker 2 (01:36:40):
How about that? There you go, LT We're ending early today.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
Do you have any messages of hope to the listeners
out there you want to like you?

Speaker 1 (01:36:50):
Thank you for listening. We greatly appreciate you as you've
seen you can you know, follow like the show, all
kinds of fun stuff there. I will not have life
coverage on Saturday, but I will have some coverage on
Sunday about the main event, probably unless anything other strange
shit happens, but hopefully it does not, and then I'll
see you on Monday. By the way, my kid is
off from school on Monday and fing Tuesday, and my

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wife BC is leaving for a business trip on Saturday.
And remember, because our government is not functioning quite rightly,
the all three DC airports BWI, Reagan, and Dulles are
all having flights canceled or limited. So fun times, fun times.

Speaker 2 (01:37:32):
Yeah, yeah, good luck to your wife on her travels.
And hopefully we get Monday's remote show with some Twoki appearances.

Speaker 1 (01:37:38):
It'd be great. I'm not putting two key on the
air anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:37:41):
No, look, obviously she'll put herself on the air. I mean,
this is how it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:37:45):
Let's be fair, fair enough. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:37:46):
Yeah, she's got that Reggie Jackson in there.

Speaker 1 (01:37:48):
She just she storms in like ice looking for you know,
hard working dads.

Speaker 2 (01:37:52):
Yeah, yeah, good stuff right there. All right, folks, next week,
of course, you have C three twenty two next Thursday,
eleven am Eastern. It's pregame review with Oscar Wilde.

Speaker 3 (01:38:01):
Do not miss that one.

Speaker 2 (01:38:02):
It's gonna be a great time. We'll see you back
on Monday to recap it all and set the stage
for the week to come. Seriously, watch Orchies lubin Saturday
on his own. It's gonna be a banger. It's gonna
be fun times. Sometimes boxing still matters, but not that often.
For all my coworkers here on the show, lt L.
I L the great Matt Snyder, right, great, great guy

(01:38:24):
behind the scenes.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
Have met him.

Speaker 2 (01:38:26):
I'm Brian Campbell. Take care of yourselves. Have a great weekend, folks.
All right, paint right, paint, let's go. Let's get out there. Okay,
let's do it. We out peace here it is

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