UFC 321: Aspinall-Gane Eye Poke, No Contest | Mackenzie Dern Wins Title | Umar Nurmagomedov Rebounds - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Really really.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Look at us now tempted.

Speaker 1 (00:13):
Jesus.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Oh do you want about using will be luck? It's
time to back. Oh yeah, it's Monday morning. You gotta

(00:39):
get fired up for this morning combat back in your
facehole UFC three twenty one reaction here, it's October twenty seventh.
All of the twenty twenty fives. Let's do this thing.
Brian Campbell liive in direct from the greater Hartford Suburbs.
This man who joins us by way of Washington, DC
worsh even though they canceled this train home. They canceled

(01:01):
Welcome to Manhattan. The Meadow Larks Studio is one Luke
Thomas of Bang Energy can fame. I mean, what what
flavor is that? Piss on your relatives?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
This is a big bang jang La. It's any It's
any means orange. Yeah, and then it says on top
any means possible, and I'm like, yeah, I don't I
don't know how I feel about that name. To start
off on this minerals.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
We're gonna talk a lot about aspinall getting probed Mackenzie
during climbing the mountain. A little talk as well with
about the box over the weekend when Fabi awardly shocked
the world and a questionable stoppage against Joseph Parker. Of
course we'll go through your d MS. We'll go through
my ship, Luke Thomas. First of all, people can like
and subscribe, so why don't you put that on the screen.

(01:51):
There you go, Thank you very much. Follow what we're
doing on this show in our lives on our YouTube
channels lt It was a weird ass weekend fights.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Not what we It was a weird card, not what.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
We expected, not what was intended. But were you entertained?

Speaker 1 (02:08):
No? I mean sort of. This is why the card
was weird, right, because it had a I mean, it
goes without saying the ending of the main event was
close to the worst case scenario. It was pretty bad.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah uh.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
And the KO main event was a fine fight, but
rather protestinan for a title fight. But then you have
the the Australian kid with the most unpronounceable name on
the prelim card.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
Oh yeah, that's Long Island Quillen, is it? How do
you say killed the man?

Speaker 3 (02:34):
I think Quillan saw killed, Saw killed?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
That's it. That maybe the best head kick KO I've
seen in years. In mm A truly.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I mean that saw Chris Barnett's ass a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
I got to look at Chris Barnett's butt cheeks. That's
all was a plus, I suppose by.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
The way I hear my ship is on fire. The
only person I've talked about is me, But I hear
that the ship is going to be worth saying.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Where's the Khanoff had a nice win, but there was
a bunch of fights on that that. The card was
like it would gather momentum and then die and then
gathered momentum.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
And he think reminds me of John Jones's Phoner when
he's wrestling with has Bulah, Like sometimes he's rock.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Alright, you guys have told me he has a big
old uh Robert when he's doing this. I have not
seen this studio. Have you seen this ship?

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Yeah, you can't erase it from your memory banks once
you see.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Okay, so this is interesting. We're gonna I mean, okay,
all right, this is what the show is about.

Speaker 2 (03:20):
Really, let's say hi officially, this time to the third
member of our team. He's a producer, director, bong enthusiast,
the son of an Australian and the proprieteer of the
main card minute podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Here's Luke, no seed of He hates gambling. I love gambling.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Everyone shout out Chauncey Billups, shout out Terry Road.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
He shout out Derek Gainnor. Is that the guy's name?

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I don't know the third one. I forget his name, but.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
I know I know that that would make guys, Derek.
Who's the guy with James Krouse?

Speaker 1 (03:44):
There was the other Eric Minor? Derek Miner Minor. Yeah, Minner,
Miner Minner. That's right, No, Brian Minor is the OFFICI.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yes, yes, all right, uh yeah, good weekend, guys. I
thought the fights were pretty fun. Obviously the card ended weird,
but I felt like the prelims, the thanks a strong.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
Word, Well, we just talked about the explosives. This thanks
bang a little bit long island. Luke, you said you
didn't drink twelve bud lights while while podcasting this weekend.
You only hit that bong a few times.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Why?

Speaker 3 (04:16):
Because it was a day card. You know, I'm not
really trying to get during the day.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
I like how he defines sobriety. It's just not having beer.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
I did say to you guys, there any want to
get wasted.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
You were high.

Speaker 3 (04:27):
I was, and you know, maybe that's what made me
think that James Roba won that fight. You know, talk
about it a little bit.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
He tried to talk both of us.

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Let me tell you what it is, and well, I'm
obviously we're going to talk about it. I'll just say
this up front as a teaser. The reason why you
feel that way is because that was a winnable fight
for her. And I'm not saying she fully gave it
away because depending on what she would have done, who
knows what the response would have been, but it could
have been a lot closer than it actually was.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
That's what you They beat the shit out of each other.
It was a okay, it wasn't a great fight, but
it was sort of there was a there was some
onus to it.

Speaker 1 (05:02):
They fought, there was a steady pace to the whole thing,
and it was twenty five minutes. They're both good. You're
gonna get a little brutality, But you know, you weren't
watching the ascension of no somebody just mowing through the division,
you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (05:17):
Yeah, yeah, that wasn't happening right there. We'll get into
all of that of course. Right now, we'd like you
to get into hold on.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I went to a I don't have a I'm not
showing anything. I'm just getting my nasal spray. But I
went to a Halloween kids dance party.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
I took you and the kids parties. Hey, Jeffrey, please
back away, let's go.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
Listen, listen. I took my daughter. I was trying to
be a good dad. She wanted to go. She went
last year. She wanted to go to a kid's Halloween
dance party. It actually was fun. They served adult beverages.
I had a couple, Bobby, if I can be honest with.

Speaker 2 (05:44):
You, did you hit the vape by the car before?

Speaker 1 (05:47):
Oh? Not for that one? That one I did not.
So I had a couple of beer I had. I
had two. I had two of their especialty cocktails. Met
an mk donk there who also took his kid to
the dance party, and he wanted to make sure I
said it on air that he had he was a
big fan.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
So there you go, all right, all right, shout out
to that big fan in your life right there?

Speaker 1 (06:08):
Did he or did he not have sleeve tattoos? Three
quarters fully sleeved?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Yeah, yeah, do you think his ass cheeks? I mean,
were you when you looked him up and down, were
you considering the fact that his ass cheeks were tatted?

Speaker 1 (06:21):
Well, I just want to point out you are the
one that is including John jones boner footage today.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
This is that's relevant toward the arc of his story,
that particularly this arc.

Speaker 1 (06:32):
I didn't put it in there. I had no say
over this.

Speaker 4 (06:35):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
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(06:58):
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doing there?

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Can I get a napkin? Please? What are they?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
The staff is your? You know?

Speaker 1 (07:14):
Well? I can kill this microphone and get up and go.
I can do that, but that's typically frowned upon. You.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Ken just left.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
What did you do with your weekend? That was so
much better than a kid's Halloween dance party, which, by
the way, is a low bar to clear, but I'm
guessing it might still be a challenge.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I accompany my wife to the mall to begin Christmas
shopping yesterday, which you know, four fucking Halloween. I can't
get into it, but yes, yes, oh wow.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
It was a brutal afternoon.

Speaker 2 (07:39):
But great weather at all. Great weather in Connecticut this week.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Say it out loud, say it proud. October is the
king of months.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Yeah, October bangs right, thank you, Ken, Ken is on
top of everything.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
You know what I'm saying, New York City pimp.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Yeah yeah, all right, let's watch Luke. What what problems
do you have? Sinus related?

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I mean, you know, I'm not meant for long jevity.
You know, we all we all know this.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
I mean, but would you see that that video of
Islam making fun of Ali Abdelazi's because he hired a
barber for a two hundred dollars haircut that just included
shaving his head down to.

Speaker 1 (08:15):
I found a guy in DC fifty I feel like
that's pretty good. Pretty good.

Speaker 2 (08:21):
Who pays two hundred for a head shave a guy
with a lot of money. That's a fair boy with
a lot of Money's a manager of the stars on
that one.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Really, what you're just paying for is whatever their their
hourly rate is, and then they come to your house.
That's what he's paying for.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
You know, you got a new guy.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
That's great. Yeah, that's great. He does not go to
my house. I have to go to his place.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
But that's how he was meant to be, was this,
you know, eighteen fifty nine. What are we doing? What
are you going to deliver the milk on the wather?

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Hey? I watched a movie over the weekend with Tukster
and it was British and the doctors kept coming to
the house. He's like, when do doctors come to the house.
I'm like, well, they kind of used to even here.
They don't do that shitping, No, they.

Speaker 2 (08:54):
Don't do that shit anymore. The only people that deliver
anymore whores, you.

Speaker 1 (08:57):
Know what I mean? And the pizza guys.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
Yeah, and pizza guys. They're the same breed. All right,
Enough of this absolute bullshit that you probably fast forwarded
through anyway. But we're back. We're ready. Let's do it
with topic number one. You knew it already UFC three
twenty one from Abu Dhabi late Saturday afternoon, at least
if you were watching on the East coast. Not what
we expected. We already laid that out ahead of time.

(09:19):
Still a lot to talk about coming out of here
from this Tom Aspinall Cyril gon first defense of the
undisputed title for Tom, and it is a no contest,
the first time in UFC history a fight ends a
title fight ends as a no contest to close the
pay per view. Of course, John Jones Daniel Cormier became
one from UFC two to fourteen when Jones failed a test,
but no one wanted this ending, so let's just say it.

(09:41):
Not only does the heavyweight division remain on ice as
far as moving the title picture forward, but Tom Aspinall's
insane bad luck really only continued when you consider the
knee injury came back from the John Jones soap opera
the fifteen months off heading into this fight. Now he
had Cyril Gohn poking holes through both of his own
orifices knuckle deep, at least on one of them, but

(10:03):
it's also created some knee jerk narratives from the idea
that maybe Aspinall could have continued or should have from
some tough guys, also to the idea that it was
gone on his way to beating him. From what we
saw in round one, it was only four plus minutes
of action. Either way, Gon succeeded in checking the prostate
of Aspinall through that eye socket, and for a fight

(10:24):
in which very little took place. Luke Thomas, what is
the biggest takeaway for you? Because I see some saying
Tom's a bitch. I see some saying Gon was on
his way to becoming heavyweight champion. I see a lot
of other people talking about how do we change this
eye polking culture? What do you come out of this
fight with as the first and foremost thing we learned?

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I mean, the problem is there's many really important ones.
Just as a note, we were talking about this before
the show. There's a lot of criticism when MMA media
is not sufficiently reverential of fighters, but I think an
episode like this goes to show you nobody is meaner
to the fighter then not all the fans obviously, but
a pretty noticeable section of them, and I don't think

(11:06):
it's in any way accidental that we've got a rise
of content creators who are also mean and nasty to
the fighters. It's just very funny that, like the fans
pressuring media, who are the traditional media, who are the
nicest ones of the entire group, two fighters to be
nicer by the people who are actually meaner. Very funny, Okay.
Putting that aside, this only magnified heavyweights various but now

(11:32):
intersecting problems. The event and the main event PC was
designed to be something of a page turner. Yes, we
can say goodbye to all of the problems where John
Jones has it. He's not active. We've been over in
a million times. But even more than that, Francis leaves.
We hadn't had a UFC title defense at heavyweight by

(11:54):
a sitting champion in literally years. Okay what John Stepe no,
long before that, long before that, But Francis gone. France
has gone because John Steepe was for a vacant title.
This is a title defense by a reigning champion.

Speaker 2 (12:09):
You know, John had already gotten the title against Gone,
then he missed a year plus do an injury defended
against the paper, I guess, but the point being that
it was still incomplete because then Gone had walked away
and aspinall was the champions.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Yes, yes, yes, So the point I'm trying to make
is we there was just a lot of problems that
had been kind of lingering themselves, falling on top of
them each other. This event was designed. Whether you got it,
even if we got a Gone win, it wouldn't have
mattered at least would have been a page turner to
all of that. And instead all it ended up doing
was magnifying the various problems. Because now you've got a

(12:42):
case where the reigning champion had a Do you want
to call it a poor showing? It wasn't a great
showing me. Yeah, I mean the degree of whether it
was it's so limited that you're a little bit couched
in that.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
Somebody wins on one and then goes on to lose
the rest of the way. But it was look at
the end, at the very least, it peaks more interest
in the rematch, even though the rematch is a headache
for UFC, and Dana White said it as much. It
peaks more.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
Interesting, Okay, it does, it does.

Speaker 2 (13:11):
Tom Asmal It's another disaster, and I got to be
fair tom Asmal posting live streams from his doctor's visit
this morning. I know the intention that he tried to do.
It doesn't help him, it doesn't make him look good.
And I'm not one of these people that's saying he's
a quitter. I'm just saying, if you're already on that
side of the line, he's giving you more AMMO of
things that should be behind the curtain.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
In my opinion, yeah, I mean, let's just finish the
point though. But now what it ends up doing is
because it left such a dissatisfying taste in everyone's mouth,
it brings more scrutiny onto the division, and which the case,
and this is in again, I want to be clear
about this. This is not an exclusive issue to UFC
by any stretch of the imagination. It used to be
the case where you could say, well, Pride had a
better heavyweight division than UFC, but then they merged and

(13:49):
of course the whole thing in general got a lot better.
This is a case where you're looking around, You're saying,
who else could you even add to this division to
make a difference. You're still stuck in the same gear.
You were in prior to three twenty one about getting
some kind of resolution to this last chapter. It is unfortunate,
and we can talk about ways that could have gone

(14:09):
or should have gone, but my biggest takeaway is BC
this was supposed to be goodbye and it was simply
a reintroduction.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
And if Aspirinau would have come through with the win,
which we obviously don't know what would have happened, it's
bringing some level of intrigue to the rematch. It at
least would have hopefully answered some of the questions more
that we had about Tom despite his great success, and
maybe pushed Tom over for all the people that said, hey,
maybe I'm not a hardcore and May fan these days,
but who's this guy that forced John Jones to walk away?

(14:36):
Well we saw that guy, and that guy had a
bloody nose and two fingers into his orifice. We can't
show the video, of course, but let's just look at
the still picture just to see what we're up again.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Not great.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
So you can see the left eye of Tom, which
is on the right side of the screen. That's the
one where the finger went literally knuckle deep. He wasn't
joking when he was complaining about being booed, but it
seems to be his right eye as the one that
created more damage. He's wearing a bandage over his right
eye during the hospital visit that he put on social
media early this morning.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Like I have a theory about that.

Speaker 2 (15:05):
I mean, dude, that's legit, that's freaking legit.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
I I have a theory about that. The one that
went in further, it almost went just straight, whereas the
one on his right it did not appear, it did
not appear anyway to go as deep, but it swiped, yes,
And I wonder if that action of going you know,
laterally scratched it in some kind of We got a.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
Quick This was Daniel Cormier cage side after the pay
per view ended, after he had ran into Aspinall, just
to give you set the stage of what it was
like there at the scene right after this foul.

Speaker 1 (15:35):
I saw Tom Aspinall.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
His right eye is covered in a bandage because he
cannot open it. Still we're twenty minutes past the fight ending.
And what's crazy about that is his other eye was
the one where his hand went knuckle deep. The right
side was scraped down more. The left side was the
one that went knuckled deep and really would have been

(15:59):
hard to do with if not for the pain he
was seen. On the other side, Tom was very upset
that people were booing, and then people saw the replay
and we're like, wait a minute, maybe we should be
booing the other guy.

Speaker 1 (16:08):
Then they boot cyro Gun.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
So look, I have to say I'm more just to
begin with on DC side. It's it's obviously the worst
case scenario that a fight would would end without us
capitalizing on the opportunity to move the division long and
learn things. But I don't see how you can watch
the slow mo of what Tom went through and then
take the aggressive stance that a loud minority is starting
to take. And it's not just keyboard warriors, right, it's

(16:33):
legitimate fighters with legitimate background. So this has got a
little bit serious enough where we did have to bring
in our friends from Quervo to Servant to settle this
with a little something that we call shots fired, and
Shots Fired is brought to you by Cuervo. Now's a
good time to enjoy the tequila that invented tequila, Luke.

(16:57):
We have Anthony Smith and Chale Sonnen, two former titles
challengers legit legit badasses.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
This turned out to be quite controversial.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Did but here are they on the ESPN postgame show
taking a stance that some fans maybe that bet and
didn't cash in took online, but not a lot of fighters.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Though.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
We're dunking on Tom, but maybe not to this degree.
Let's listen.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
In fact, his legacy his fault or not. Well, don't
be mad at me.

Speaker 4 (17:19):
You had a job to do and you, for whatever
reason you guys did whatever you did and you didn't
do your job. I'm not saying it's Tom's fault, and
I'm I'm not gonna, you know, pretend that I know how.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Bad it is or isn't.

Speaker 4 (17:30):
I think Chill made a poetic point that you have
to be used to or willing to fight with one.
I did it in Singapore. Everyone talks about it all
the time, whether the ladies waving stuff in front of
my eyes.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
I can't see it. So what do I do?

Speaker 4 (17:44):
I just walk away, So let's fight. It's like you
either want to who you don't. And my fight wasn't
for a world title. I didn't have Cyril gun in
front of me throwing bombs. But the second that there
was an issue I knew that I wanted to continue,
so I know what to say. You never say I
can't see if you want to continue to fight. So
when he asked the question, he just nobed ahead and
just walk away, like you find a way to get

(18:05):
away from the doctor.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
If you want to fight, you can fight.

Speaker 2 (18:07):
My trainer, coach Clayton, when we'd be practicing every now
and then, he would yell out to the whole room,
close your left eye and then you know, open your.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Left eye, close your right eye. Later he said, don't
breath through your nose anymore. Breath through your mouth.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
And the idea was if your eye gets swollen and
it gets shut, or if your nose.

Speaker 1 (18:20):
Gets clogged and you can't breathe it, then you're kind
of used.

Speaker 6 (18:22):
To these things.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Tom said something, and look, we got to dwell on
a guy in a really bad moment, but took the
well on him. He said, I got I got poked
in the eye.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
I can't see.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
If you got poked in the eye and you're injured,
we have.

Speaker 1 (18:33):
A totally different conversation.

Speaker 2 (18:34):
If you get poked in the eye and you can't see.
Generally in our sports, that's just something. It's kind of
like James Conn's speech in the movie The Program, the
College Football one. You know, you either hurt, you're injured.
But Luke, it's one thing. Look, DC poked the shit
out of Steepe in their title fight. DC's been poked
really badly in big fights. It's one thing. If one
eye gets affected, dude, this is straight up both of them.

(18:55):
Is this a acceptable stance from ex fighters to say, sorry,
you gotta fight through that. Anything can happen.

Speaker 1 (19:03):
I would imagine on some level. I think there's probably
a little something to it, for sure. I mean, they're
right right, You're gonna have circumstances where it could be
the first punch of the night. Right, you get a
jab and it breaks your nose, and now what are
you gonna do? But that is a legal shot understanding,
But it's you. You might be you might have ten
fights in your career. Let's say, and you're eleventh fight.

(19:24):
Someone breaks your nose, and now where are you. You're
in a place where you have to adjust to a
reality or you could get your you know, you could
get hit with something and your vision is obstructed. It's
a legal punch, and now you have to just kind
of adapt to a situation if you want to win.
That is clearly true to me. That's that is I
think it is important to be able to say, if

(19:45):
you're a fighter, you have the physical durability and the
mental fortitude in very difficult and sometimes let's just call
it unfair circumstances to persevere just by sheer will alone.
I can appreciate that instinct and the ability to do that. However,
I just feel like we're talking about a somewhat different

(20:06):
circumstance here.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
It's not a regular fight night. This is the heavyweight
championship when you've been forced to sit out for fifteen months.

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah, I mean the fight that Smith is referencing is
a fight against Ryan Span. He wanted to be a
split decision, and credit to him, that was a tough
thing to do. But the stakes and the difficulty of
the opponent are nowhere near a heavyweight title fight, even
if we granted that the division is somewhat diminished. More
to the point, like I'll be honest with you, if
you can't actually see and you're in a UFC title fight,
it is irrational to keep going. Could you show your

(20:34):
toughness if you really wanted to? As a way to
gut through and maybe get a win. Yeah, of course
it is. But like if someone told you at the
beginning of the fight, we're gonna cover your eye, and
now you have to compete. And by the way, the
reason we're going to cover it is because someone fouled
you and now you have to deal with these circumstances.
This is not something anyone would ever agree to. This
is you got someone again. We could talk about the

(20:55):
intentionality of it, and to what extent that is relevant.
I'm pointing out the stakes are too high, the give
up is too much. It is irrational to keep going
in a situation of this magnitude, with this kind of injury.
I'm gonna take him at his word about the severity.
If you want to have the highest level of excellence
in the sport, we should make a point here. I

(21:16):
don't think tom aspinall quit I don't. I don't want
to be clear. I don't think he did that, but
I gotta be honest, like even if he did, so
what hear me out on this, George Saint Pierre, it's
these are all different circumstances, meaningfully different. But George Saint Pierre,
when he got bodied by Matt Sarah in their first

(21:37):
In their first uh what do you call it? In
their first fight, he tapped to strikes. People think it
was a TKO stoppage because if you don't notice it,
he leans over and taps the map and calls it
a day like this. Idea that this inherently makes you
a quitter for all time clearly is not true. There's
really no evidence to show, certainly in his further career
that that ended up being a thing. More to the point,

(21:59):
he saved himself from further damage in the situation. Now
that was different because that fight was already lost. It
wasn't a foul. But I'm pointing out people surrender in
MMA all the time for reasons that are to varying
degrees strategic. I don't think Tom did that, But even
if he did under the fouling circumstance, it's not a

(22:20):
big departure from other instances of surrender that we just
take as a given.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
I gotcha. Also, it was both eyes. Now, I get
when Anthony Smith is saying, you know, you'll find a
way to let them believe that you can see and continue,
But what if you literally can't see? I wonder if
I wonder if if Cyril Gon did not have the
success he had and shout out to Cyril Gon, because
come the day before you know the fight, all of
us that make predictions for whatever they're worth, we're like,

(22:44):
I just can't talk myself into gonn even you know,
going the distance here, Gon put that on his shoulders,
fought very well, bloody the nose of Tom Luke. If
he had not had that success, would we hear the
same people's leaning towards the quid angle there if if
Tom wasn't Because I see people saying, oh, before the eyepoke,
he could see he's breathing out of his mouth, he's gassed.

(23:05):
He didn't expect God to be this good. Whether that's
all true or not, the fact that it's there, I
think gives people the liberty and luxury to lean toward
the all command he quit line.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Yeah, I would say, there's just no denying the fact
that Gon, relative to expectations, overperformed clearly has made the
situation worse. Right in terms of the perception anyway, Gon
was doing well and to your point, blighted up his nose.
The jab was landing. He actually landed a couple of

(23:37):
lead hooks off on that open stance. He looked good.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
He was bigger too, Yeah, he's bigger.

Speaker 1 (23:41):
He was moving fluidly. His takedown defense looked good. Although
I went back and I watched the takedown a temp.
It wasn't a super you know.

Speaker 2 (23:46):
He didn't flash the takedown, but he didn't commit.

Speaker 1 (23:48):
H didn't like you know, it wasn't the best effort
he ever gave. But the point is you're asking a question,
did the way in which God performed again? And I'm
going to add a little nuance, especially relative to expectations.
Did that? It is that affecting some of the post
fight narrative. There's just no question in mind. I think
it's unfair.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
Though overall I think it's unfair. It's two fingers in
the eye. It's early in the fight. There's a lot
of things going on here, and I think you have
to take into account the story that that Tom had
up to this point, having to wait all to prove himself,
all this stuff. It was like all this shit was
against him. It's title fights are different. I don't like
when you're taking away men can't see, can't fight. Terry

(24:26):
Silver taught us that in Kariate Kid Party. That's true
quick silver method.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
But the other part too, is like it also robs
Tom to a degree here because let's say Gone wins
the first round, the round was almost over, fine, but
then Tom finds a way to start building momentum in
round two. I think it's a stoppage. In round three,
this would have been a triumphant moment for him. It
is robbed from him. And now you've got you know,
I don't know, I mean, I don't know what the
number is, but there's enough of a vocal either whether

(24:51):
it's a minority or majority of people saying, hey Tom quit,
Tom's this that the.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
Other fighters, a lot of profighters coming on.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
So yeah, yeah, I understand again stand them trying to
police the ranks around toughness to a degree. Again, to
a degree, I understand that. But I'm just pointing out,
you've got all of this pressure whoever it's coming from,
raining down on Tom and to your point, now, now
he seems to maybe he's over compensating to a degree,
like with the kind of medical validation, dude.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
He should not be showing a full video of his
of his hospital breakdown, a full video of trying to
talk to the doctor and say, should this fight have
been stopped? That should not be shown publicly. I don't
even think the argument Tom and his dad made during
that video of like, look, the fight should have been
a DQ. The ref had warned him. There's a whole
separate discussion, and I hope we have time to have
it about how you change this moving forward. But I

(25:38):
think that just looks bad when people are already saying
stuff about you and then you come out and be like, well,
he should have been disqualified anyway. Either way, everything is
seemingly against Tom, including Dana White's reaction, which brings another
conspiratorial angle. Let's first listen to the UFC CEO when
asked about this debacle.

Speaker 7 (25:55):
I said earlier, because of the John Jones fight, I
think everybody was sleeping on Cyro gone and and sort
of wrote him off. But I feel like, you know,
I'm sure in his camp he was training like a
animal for this fight, and it's unfortunate that it ended
the way that it did. And yes, I think that
there probably will be a lot more interest in the
rematch after they saw, you know, I mean, he had

(26:16):
Tom bloodied up, and you know, Tom didn't want to
continue in the fight, so the rematch is very interesting.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Luke, what he said looks worse on paper because it
looks like he's dunking on him. Most people, when watching
the video still think he's being dunked on. Is it
right to connect a conspiratorial dot to this to the
idea of what Tom's father and manager, Andy Aspinall had
been saying publicly about once two more fights are done
in our you know UFC contracts up, we're going to
professional boxing? Did that play a factor in Dana choosing

(26:49):
the verbiage of Tom chose not to continue, even though
technically he did choose not to continue.

Speaker 1 (26:57):
I wasn't big on the idea that there would have
been some kind of conspiracy before, and I got to
tell you that comment. I got questions. I mean, for example,
we were wondering why Dana White spent I don't know,
a long long time being a media surrogate. It seemed
like for John Jones as like this unstoppable destroyer, even

(27:21):
at times where there was at least some reason to
question that or even why he would go so heavily
for number one. Yeah, Like there was like there was
like these big long soliloquies about like why John Jones
was a lot of Yeah. I mean it was like
the Hospital of Video apparently, which I've not seen yet,
But you know, you get my point, Like, so you
add in that, but then you add on the other side,
Tom's dad not exactly stating super pro UFC talking points.

(27:46):
I think it is point to be he was.

Speaker 2 (27:47):
Angry that what they what they've done to his boy
by enabling John Jones to be fair all.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
Right, So I mean I would say that, like, if
you have questions about how do we say this, whether
there's friction between the Aspinall side of things and the
UFC side of things, there's good reason to believe that.
I mean, listen, at the end of the day, dude,
who are you making these If you're Tom Aspinall, who
are you making these decisions for? Because if you felt

(28:15):
like you couldn't see and against a pinpoint striker like god,
certainly he was on point that night, you could have
risked it and then gotten stopped. And now who knows
what they would have done with you in terms of
getting another title shot. It seems likely that Aspirnall would
beat just about everybody else to get one back. But
you we've talked about this just because like, once you
get separated from the title, it's very hard to get
back to it. You can do all that and then

(28:37):
you can please these other people and they'll call you
a hero and they'll call you warrior. You know what,
they won't call you champion because you will have lost
it at that point. You have to make a decision.
Whose interests do I have to protect here? The ones
that make the public and or the other fighters and
or the UFC happy, or the ones that I feel
like are important for my career. You just have to

(29:00):
make a choice there, and you know you're not gonna
get unanimity of response as a consequence.

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Ultimately, I think two things can be true Tom Tom.
The way Tom handled, at least inside the cage, is
completely justified. But all of the other things we're talking
about is only adding to the fuel of the opposite
point of view of did he you know, did he
tank here?

Speaker 1 (29:18):
Do whatever? Whatever?

Speaker 2 (29:19):
I think it's fair to give him the benefit of
the doubt. But some of this stuff is pulling up
Long Island. Luke, where do you weigh in on this?
You're gonna go to the tough guy route and say
this guy should have kept fighting or what.

Speaker 3 (29:28):
No, I don't blame him at all for not fighting.
I mean you got we saw the replay. It was
brutal to both eyes too, Like he's not even complaining
about the one that.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Was looked a way with as a violation.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Yeah, I don't blame hm at all. It was a
bummer obviously, but I can't complain.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
Well our regular luke. Yes, do we owe Cyril Gone
an apology for how much we counted them out? Or
did the last five fights and the two title losses?
Did those all speak for themselves? Like congratulations, you came
out round one, you look like a champion, But like,
did we have a right to ultimately give him no chance?

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Which a lot of people were.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
So it's funny. Early on in Cyril Gon's run in UFC,
I was really excited about him as a prospect.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
You called it, you said that man will be championship.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Yeah, I did. And I lost a lot of faith
along the way after the God, after the excuse me,
after the and gone who fight, and then after the
you know the other ones do the vocal fight, and
I just felt like, Okay, Tom's gonna be too quick
and he's gonna have an answer for this guy. But Gone,
when he's on and there's a question about you know,
there was plenty of reason to doubt Gone. However, did
Gon show that our skepticism was a little bit over sold?

(30:34):
I think we have to admit that it was. We
have to. But we didn't see that, say.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Didn't we say? Or I said it on different places
that I expect it's going to be at least one
round of tough, tough for Asmirau'll pick up the timing,
the speed and all that. I mean here, we just
don't know what would have happened next. But to that degree,
if this is the only footage we have and it
is Almoks really good. He looked mentally tough. He looked
like he was dialed in, like there's some parts of
his demeanor and an interviewer in the fight, sometimes you

(31:00):
question if he's everything he needs to be. He looked
like he was everything he.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Needed to be. I think nothing tells the story of
how much Gone was slept on. Then the odds hanging
heading into this fight were what minus three fifty for
Tom and now they're minus one to eighty. That he
swallowed the gap you got to give. Dude. When we're
right about guys, it's great, But when we're wrong about
guys too. It's not that I didn't think Gone at
one point would mature to a guy who could do
something like this. I just thought he was making enough

(31:25):
errors along the way that it wasn't going to happen.
And then with the biggest stakes, and you know what
Dean Thomas was talking about this that like when he
thought John Jones Gone just wasn't he wasn't ready for
that level of a size, of about of the stakes,
of the grandeur of it, and he kind of collapsed
in on himself. And again I saw video of people
comparing Tom's takedown failing against Gon to John's, and I'm like, dude,

(31:49):
they were very different. Gon switches stance overthrowing, and then
John just gets under it and then bodylocks from behind. Dude,
your terrible decision to throw that punch, whereas God didn't
throw anything. He was just waiting. And of course, if
you're just waiting to stop a takedown, it's going to
be a lot easier to stop a takedown. But the
point is, do I think Gon learned a lot from

(32:11):
that experience, based on what we saw in round one here,
and I wasn't sure he was going to Yes, he did.
We have to be honest. I didn't think he would
get to him. I didn't think I thought he could
make it close. At times, I didn't think he was
going to bust up Tom the way that he did. Yeah,
and he absolutely did.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
That step in left cross, the short one was perfect.
That jab was on point. You give him a lot
of credit. Still, we don't know what it would have
looked like. So before we talk about the future and
when you reschedule this and all of that. Look, it
wasn't the referee's fault that this happened. And look we
have to say overall the referees had a great night.
There definitely were internal referees has the best night the whole.
There definitely were internal conversations, whether that's the Association of

(32:48):
Boxing Commissions, whether that is the UFC getting involved, about
the quickness not just of warnings, but of points. Points
were dropping all night, for grabbing the fence, for doing everything.
But Luke Thomas, I think the same thing we complain
about all the time is still true. I'm not saying
UFC has to go to the old pride gloves or whatever.
I think they have to enforce ipoking to get it
so that it's such a penalty against you, whether that's

(33:10):
an initial point, if it's a graze or not, just
an initial point, because how do you retrain the fighters
to not do this anymore instead of doing this? Michael
miss Being had a great video about that. He's like,
it's easy train them to do this with a fist
and take away something. Jim Miller posted a video and said,
if you take from their purse when they land eepokes,
that will retrain them in training not to do this anymore.

(33:32):
Is that accurate in your eyes? Either the threat of
the point or the purse or something like a legitimate
penalty that even if it's just a grazing, Hey, I
extended my fingers. I put myself in that position.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
I think that you absolutely. Okay, here's just my view,
and we can decide how you want to talk about it.
My view is there are two basic ways to make
headway in reducing the amount of ipokes. Number one, we
should just state as a basic premise there's no way
to eliminate them. It's not possis you will always have
on some level a degree of ideas, just like headbutting.

Speaker 2 (34:04):
Just like you know when you're doing head.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Butting is to your point, so infrequent that it's not
a scourge on the fighting, okay, But it's different in
boxing right where you're just so close to each other
and if you have open stance, it's a nightmare in
those situations. In MMA it's not nearly as problematic. But
that's what I would like to turn it into. I
would like to turn into something like that. The point
I'm trying to make is there's two ways to meaningfully

(34:26):
reduce what we have. Number one is the one you're
talking about here. There has to be stronger enforcement of penalties.
And to the point you raise, Mark Goddard was the
MVP of UFC three twenty one. He was not fucking around,
and it show me one instance of him enforcing the
rules that demonstrably looked unfair and or made the fight worst.

(34:49):
You can't do it. Also, what's the other guy's name,
Mitch Richmond. What's what was the other guy's name, rich
rich Mitchell, something like that, Rich Mitchell. Yes, he also
for that blatant fence grab he got in, but that's one.
You have to be more Johnny on the spot. The
referees have decided not last night or a excuse me, Saturday night.
The referees decided, absolutely, we're gonna get involved. But that

(35:11):
is an exception to the rule. They have tried to
make themselves invisible. Well, congratulations, you're fucking invisible. But BC,
they need to fix the gloves. And I know this
is a ridiculous kind of point that people make all
the time. I did look into this. Can I tell
you what I found?

Speaker 2 (35:28):
Yes? Did you find Trevor Whitman at the end of this.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Right, Well, yes and no. There are a lot of
claims made about glove design, and I can tell you
that relative the claims relative to what has been studied
to prove or disprove them, is very limited. But we
do know something. Okay, here's what we know. In twenty
twenty two, the Association of Ringside Physicians commissioned to study

(35:53):
to look at UFC, Belator and PFL gloves at that
time to look at the incident rate of ipokes. And
what they found was that the Bellatore power lot glove,
which by the way, was introduced in his last year
at Bellator by then promoter Bjorn Rebne. It changed the
foam inside. It wasn't just a glove geometry issue, but

(36:15):
it curved the gloves and what they found was that
it had a statistically significantly lower incident rate, to the
point where they now recommended any kind of glove that
has curvature around the knuckles. You might note the Pride
glove also rise in same and.

Speaker 2 (36:31):
There was a lot of side by side pictures on
the air side of this.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
I'll wrap up. I'll wrap up. Trevor Whitman has a
system called the Onyx system which curves the fingertips to
a degree. The point is the Trevor system. The Pride gloves,
those have not actually been studied, but the Bellatore power
Lot glove has been studied, and just last month September
of twenty twenty five, the Association of Ringside Physicians, the

(36:54):
dominant medical board in the entire sport re recommended a
curved gloves to minimize the amount of injuries. It feels
like to MEBC everyone is either in one camp or
the other. They want a technological change or a rule change,
and my attitude is, how about a little bit of
both To really stomp the shit.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
That would be the smart way to do it. But
don't forget Bjorn had MMA union entanglements at one point,
so you know they're ever gonna approve a glove that
he was part of. Kind of half kidding. My larger
point is Jim Miller had a great video where he
put on the UFC glove and basically said, it's not
forcing my fingers out. That's because of you know, entrained
muy Thai or he called the response to like the
bitch reaction inside of you. But he even said, Luke,

(37:35):
you take away the point or the purse, people are
automatically going to adjust. It seems like it's that simple.
Can we take the can we take the steps so
we can avoid this happening again? All right, Luke, the future,
it's obviously going to depend on how quickly askman. I'll
come back. Dana confirmed they want to run it back.
They should run it back. Is if this not a
horrible scenario, what if it gives you another main event,

(37:55):
So maybe it's not a horrible scenario. What if they
ran this back and say March and then we're able
to promote a John Jones versus Poeton non title attraction
at MS or at the White House in June. As
the winner fights for the undisputed championship, they could win
out if it goes this way. The reason why I
bring that up was a little back and forth on
Twitter between Pereira and John Jones. Pereira first saying let's

(38:19):
make the heavyweight division great again. He also posted a
video of him watching it live, and then John Jones
responded with Alex, I'd be down to bring the highest
skill level to the White House. I appreciate the respect
you showed. Let's dance.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
Hey.

Speaker 2 (38:33):
By the way, Tom aspal one showed respect when he
called out John two, but that wasn't good enough. Luke,
do you feel like this result? Because if Tom would
have won and called out either Gone or Jones, you
could wonder whether he could have forced his way into
the White House. Does this IPO guarantee that, in your eyes,
that we end up seeing Jones Pereerra at the White House?
And could we get it guaranteed on paper that the
winner will fight the winner of Espinal Gone, because then

(38:55):
you got a mini tournament with the biggest names possible.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
The second part is impossible to say because if John wins,
does he fight again? Does he want to fight tom
Aspenall again? What if they rebook Aspinall gone? Let's say
for the the what's the January pay per view PLI whatever,
we're gonna end up calling it by the Paramount era
And what if what if Aspinall goes in there and

(39:17):
just bludgeons gone.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
That's why I think you push it off to like March,
because he's gonna any time for that thing to heal.

Speaker 1 (39:22):
Yeah, I mean, I guess we'll have to see what
the medical timeline looks like. But I just feel like
trying to set up a tournament where we're talking about
guys actively invested in the beyond.

Speaker 2 (39:32):
After John just f them, I just think I just think.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
That's so premature. We just can't really get there. It
would be nice, I mean, to your point, it would
solve a lot of problems.

Speaker 2 (39:41):
But to make of John's trolling putting the duck with
the eyepatch.

Speaker 1 (39:44):
As, I don't I mean, listen, I just don't care
what he says.

Speaker 2 (39:49):
About what if he decided to talk to you about
his twenties.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
Finally, at this point, brother, I don't even care. Okay, Okay,
that's fine, Wild, you don't see me beating down his
door for an interview.

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(40:22):
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(40:46):
fight card Saturday night Madison Square Garden. So that week,
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me and mystery guests? Wild card?

Speaker 1 (40:58):
Miss mystery guest, I can tell you upfront is probably
riddled with STDs.

Speaker 2 (41:04):
Would you say this mystery guest was already planning on
day drinking anyway, So this is just like.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
If he wasn't planning on doing day drinking, he was
definitely going to be doing meth.

Speaker 2 (41:14):
Okay, let's say a quick escalation.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
I mean he was gonna he has the same definition
of sober that this guy does.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Yeah, so good stuff right there. All right, let's keep
it going. A lot more to talk about on this fight,
car Let's go to topic number two. UFC three twenty
one's co main event brought an opportunity for the women's
straweight division to start a new chapter or a new era
or will it depending I guess what happens on Xiwang
against Chevchenko later this month. But instead it was Mackenzie
Durn's night, fulfilling her potential by claiming that vacant one

(41:43):
hundred and fifty pound title one hundred fifteen pound title
with a unanimous decision win over Viena Jangidoba in their rematch.
Luca took years of personal perseverance for Dern through multiple defeats,
setbacks both in and out of the cage. It probably
didn't hurt that jeangwe lea vacated or title or open
up this window, but and is finally a UFC champion.
What was the major difference in your eyes between the

(42:05):
version of durn we saw on Saturday night and the
one that had lost four of her last eight heading in.
Because it's just her third win in a row, we
give her that credit, But it did seem like a
different Dern on Saturday? Or did it?

Speaker 1 (42:16):
What do you I'd say a modestly different version. I
I somewhat challenge the premise of the question.

Speaker 2 (42:26):
You know there is a challenge, and the challenge is
if Walley doesn't give it up, like.

Speaker 1 (42:30):
There's no way Wayley Jong doesn't beat the fuck out
of both of them.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
True, But like I guess it's a better question. Would
any other champion in straweight history have had a problem
with either one of those two fires on Saturday?

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Dude? I think a prime you'll Wanta beats the fuck
out of both of them too.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Some people want you wanted to get back in there
at thirty eight to try to get that back.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
I mean, I don't know. I mean, we took a
lot of damage with the end of her career, but we're.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Dunk We're dunking on Dern here because of the division's
history reputation.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I'm not dunking on her. I'm simply saying, like, here's
the here's the problem with that title fight. Win Dern
did everything she could. I think, given her abilities, she
did everything she could. I think, relatively speaking, the jab
was there, the job was there, and I thought some
of her movement was better as well, in and out
of pocket was better.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
No defense, though much better defense in the.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
First fight, much better defense on the first I don't
think the yeah, okay, well fair point, but at least
she had some this time. But at the same time,
it's like, it's like, dude, I hate this kind of shit,
right where someone wins a UFC title and you're talking
about all the reasons why it shouldn't be this way,
But the reality is if it was, if Jean Wilee

(43:37):
was still there, it just no way she gets it.
And more to the point, we see, like you know,
there's always debates about like in a linear reflection of
all the champions in a weight class. Hey, who's the
best one ever in the weight class. It's a standard
kind of question, but there's typically some level of escalation
that makes you want to say it.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
She never had those in between fights against the former championship,
she got knocked out by Andro.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
And more to the point, you go back ten years
or something look at Joanna's reign and you're like, dude,
jo Wanna would a prime Jojuana would smoke McKenzie during it.

Speaker 2 (44:08):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (44:08):
I wouldn't even be very competitive, im I don't know
about that. That's a little different. But certainly prime Juana,
I think would handle. So you're just maybe a primer
rose to to a degree, and you just kind of wonder.
It's like, dude, this division does not appear to be
the things don't appear to be escalating in that way.
Did durn get better? Yes? Did she deserve to be
the winner on Saturday Night? No question? In my mind,

(44:30):
three two four one was exactly the right scorecard, So
it's not a question of like, given the circumstances, was
she deserving Yes, And it is nice that you have
finally have someone first fighter ever wins ADCC gold, IBJJF
World Championship and a UFC title. I think it was
our friend, my friend Ovin. Was it Ovin who put this?
We have no Gil Cruz, excuse me. McKenzie Durn's the

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first woman to win the IBJJF World Championship, ADCC gold
and a UFC title. This is cool, man, This is
a cool moment. So it's not like she some terrible
Oh she can't do anything.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
She showed a wholesome moment too. Before Luke changes this
point here at age thirty two, daughter moa there, like,
you're I mean girl, Dad, Like that's amazing, right, that's pretty.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
This is amazing. This is an amazing moment for the both
of them, and I certainly applaud the resilient. Dude. If
you can say one thing about McKenzie Dern, she has
been incredibly resilient.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
That's the story of her winning.

Speaker 1 (45:22):
Now, that's the story. The story is not that she's
such a powerhouse of skill and ability that she is
changing the way we look at the weight class or something,
or you know, dominating in historically interesting ways. No, but
she fucking has a dog in her that allows her
to stay in these relevant positions, keeps swinging the acts,
and sure enough she did it long enough where this

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finally befell her. She's deserving of this. I'm just not
gonna call it historically excellent.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
I have to say that too. I mean, it took
this great division, which has been the deepest of the
women's division since starting that's one fifteen in late twenty fourteen.
It's on rough, rough times.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
Just it.

Speaker 2 (45:58):
That's just the accurate truth of where it's at right there.
But given the opportunity, I picked against Dern because I
thought ultimately she would make a key mistake or or
would not fold. Because physically she's there, she's going to
go for it. But I got to give her credit
within the context of this matchup, the rematch with Jander Robo,
the jab was there, the poise was there, the boxing
was there, and I think ultimately Luke this Okay, this

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is a step down from the championship level straweight fighting
we've seen in the past, But I don't think it
was as bad as like that Rocky Pennington Bueno. So no,
I don't like that. Do not look like a lead that,
So I'll give her the credit within the context. Do
you think this ultimately went her way? Not just because
she had the heavier punches, and it was good to
see Jason Pirello in her corner and then vibing and connecting.
But Jander Obo had ease ease, taking down Dern with ease,

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but couldn't do enough in top positions to really warrant I.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
I hated this fight from Verna Jangerobo. I hated two
snaps up her perform. Hated it.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
All you guys with old ball.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
I have no idea where that car. Do you have
any idea where that reference comes from? Martin? Not a
bad guess, but same network in Living Color. Okay, BC.
She got nine takedowns. Okay, so she had a higher
than a fifty percent success rate on She.

Speaker 2 (47:19):
Said more with them than Johnson Almeida did. Okay, she did.
You got to give her that.

Speaker 1 (47:22):
That's he did nothing. She only engaged in hammer fisting
rather than any kind of meaningful ground pound. You asked, like,
what McKenzie Durna do right, whatever else you want to
say about her, she seeks offense everywhere. Yes, you put
her on her back, it's offense right away. She's elbowing,
the guard is in play, she's setting up grips. You

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know what I mean. And you have to kind of
you have to play around that and on the feet.

Speaker 2 (47:46):
She certainly was trying to win the fight the whole time.

Speaker 1 (47:48):
She's trying to I guess what I'm saying, Doe. She's
got a perseverite dog inside of her and that's why
she wins. But jan Ji Roba to get that fucking
takedown over and over and over again. Not throw elbows,
and yet in the clinch standing throwing elbows, and in
other circumstances throwing elbows. Not in the most important kind, dude,

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Charles Lavera, what happens when he starts playing games underneath
from guard? Guys either try to get away, but if
they stay, they fucking hammer him, yes, because they make
him pay for that open style. She did none of that.
To the point, BC, this is what drives me nuts.
If I went and saw a regional MMA show and
I saw that, well, that's just regional MMA. You got

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guys who are new enough where you're just like, they
don't have the skills yet to do this she has pulled.
This was her twenty six professional MMA fight. Blacked on
jiu jitsu. You're thirty seven years old. You are not
gonna be back here. If you lose's your toughness. She's
The problem is not that she's not skilled.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
This is my point.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
This is my point. It is fucking unforgivable at age
thirty seven in a UFC title fight to either not
ground and power because reasons all, I don't want to
give up position and lose the fight. You fucking lost.

Speaker 2 (49:05):
Anyway, She's facing a BJJ expert, so that had to
be part of that.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
What is the choice here? The conservative game plan she
went in sealed her fate. And more to the point,
what's the other explanation? I see it enough now where
I'm like, do the fighters and their coaches actually think
you can get nine takedowns with I mean, I think
like fifteen minutes of control time, some absurd amount of
control time, but not throw ground and pound and win fights.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
No submission attempts, no submission attempts.

Speaker 1 (49:33):
Hello, newsflash, you cannot. You cannot. Either either you chose
a conservative game plan that you that you knew was
conservative because that's what you wanted to do, or you
thought being conservative was actually like a thing that the
rules wouldn't punish. In either case, terrible decision, terrible. It
drove me nuts. To watch. I wish.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
I also think she could have stepped on the gas
more man. I mean, look, she got to carry out
five ground stamina, but this is the championship level. I
don't think she was offensive enough. She had some success
with her connor striking. I think if she would have
stepped on the gas more. Yes, she would have taken
some big right hands. But she didn't do enough to
try to make Dran uncomfortable. It was more in her
eyes about the control time for that. So it sucks.

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Is this going too far? Henry su Hudo celebrating the
accomplishments of Dern Kenzie. Dern is the greatest female combat
sports athlete of all time Holly Holm online one. But
is there an argument here?

Speaker 1 (50:26):
Lod, you don't need a dash between all in time
unless all time is describing a noun.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Okay, but that's not first.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
I just want to be just for everyone out there.
All time only needs the dash in between. If you're
talking about like all Time fighter, he's a fart machines.
We know this all time fart box. Yeah, so all
time only needs the dash in between if it's acting
as a modifier in some kind of way.

Speaker 2 (50:46):
Thank you, community, college professor, it's not your I need
I need, I need patches on my sleep.

Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
No, I think that's a little silly.

Speaker 2 (50:54):
But but but we're not taking shout out to Derny.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
However, however, however, is she you know, does the history
that she represents and like the story and what she's accomplished?
Is this interesting and relevant and a big obviously a
very big accomplishment to do all this. There's simply no question.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
Was that her mom cage side who ran in the
cage after?

Speaker 1 (51:16):
Because they almost saw a video of her mom celebrating,
But the one I saw was she was still in
the stands.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
We almost never hear anything about her, we know obviously
know a lot about her out there, but good to
see in that moment right there. Let's talk about what
could be next for durn. Here's Mackenzie talking about the
landscape of the division.

Speaker 8 (51:32):
You said, now you have a target on your back.
You had mentioned Tatiana Suarez as possible first challengers. That
the name you want here, You're just gonna let the
UFC kind of figure it out.

Speaker 9 (51:42):
I mean, I don't know how much say I have
him being a champion, now, you know what I mean?
I don't know how much my word and my decisions
get into play, but I'm here to defend it. So
whoever gets sent to me, you know, I'll be ready
for it. So I don't know we leave, but I
definitely like to just fight touch and I think maybe

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she gets one more fight and you know, but yeah,
I want to get it.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
I want to have a logu. Luc and I were
talking about this beforehand, because there is an argument to
make of like how far can durned Stargo now that
she's the champion. She's very marketable, et cetera. I'd love
to see her against Tatiana Suarez that the ground battle
could be fantastic. They're both, they're both very game. It
could be a heck of a fight. If John Wayleey

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loses to Valentine at UFC three twenty two, is there
a world where Dern makes a title defense next? Let's
say it Suarez. Let's say she wins and then Wyley
comes back down after a competitive loss, and that's We're
all gonna favor Whaley like we should. But is that
a big fight? Will people care about that?

Speaker 4 (52:45):
Well?

Speaker 2 (52:45):
Has this woken up some attention and buzz for women's MMA?

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Or no, no, no, I don't know what the evidence
for that one.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Do you think Waley comes down with a loss or not?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
That's a more interesting question because if she does, she's
a tough fight for anybody Long Island.

Speaker 2 (53:03):
Look like the idea of Rose cutting this one to
fifteen one more time.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Someone brought that up on my post fight chat as
well as you want to talk as well, why do
you like that one so much?

Speaker 3 (53:11):
I just feel like Rose is kind of in no
man's land at twenty five, and like BC was saying,
straw weight right now just feels so weak and there's like, yeah,
sure you could do the Tatiana fight. I just I
have zero interest.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
In that right now.

Speaker 3 (53:22):
Really, Yeah, Tatiana, her last two fight has been very underwhelming,
and uh, I just feel like Rose is at least like,
oh Rose dern. Could I could get behind that?

Speaker 1 (53:31):
You know?

Speaker 2 (53:31):
I mean, that's a matchup that never happened and could
have maybe should have.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
No, Yeah, I mean yeah, golly dude. Honestly, unfortunately the
main and Comaine were heavyweight and women's strawweight. These two
divisions are two of the most in disrepair. Yes, and
I think some of that was shown to us. This

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was kind of the problem.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
Way there's no one coming up, and I'm not in
Suarez isn't coming up. She just lost a tidelet opportunity,
but we still physically consider her elite. There's like no
one else. Everybody else is a retread. Everyone else is onrage.
Uh who else we missed the hold? Loopy god Ricci.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
Yeah, she's like a win is an interesting one.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
She drn and Loopy fought like two fights ago durn Beaters,
so it's.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Like, okay, but that doesn't preclude her from getting a
title shot. That's a little different.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
It's just like, why do we We've already seen it
and it was recent. It was like twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (54:28):
Yeah, yeah, this is not this is not the highest
elite times for this division.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Yeah, I'm looking at the I'm looking at the rankings here,
Tatiana nan Amanda Lemos, dern Go Dinez, Yasmin Lucindo.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
I mean, I mean a lot of those fighters are
in their mid to late thirties and and in retreadville.
Excuse me.

Speaker 1 (54:45):
Yeah. I think in the end, one of the problems
with three twenty one was that, you know, again, they
were I think in both cases, let's get a new
champion at women's strawweight. Let's let's let either the tom
or the gone era start start anew and instead, Yes,
you did get a new champion, but in a way
that felt like, you know, because something was missing and
in the main event, something never got started. It was

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just a problem, you know.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
Yeah, it is. This is uh okay, it is what
it is. Let's go to topic number three. Hey, Umar
Normaga metof rebounding from that title loss in January to
Morob Devlishvilian fully healthy this time. But did he or
did he not fully live up to the challenge from
UFC CEO Dana White that Thursday's final press conference, where
he ultimately said, if you want this to be a
number one contender fight, then dominate and do something to

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get my attention. Part of the reason why Umar was
unable to despite an unanimous decision on thirty to twenty
seven scorecards on all three was because Mario Bautista was
game as shit, riding an eight fight win streak. I
have to take my head off to him figuratively, because
Mario fought well, he had that toe lock cramp thing
going for a submission, attempting round one, but Luke, at

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the end of the day, did Umar and Normaga Medoff
do enough against a very difficult opponent to secure the
next shot at the winner of morab Yon two in December.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Man, this is an interesting one for me. I'd be
curious to hear what you guys have to say about
this one, especially Okay, so in many ways this went
kind of as expected. We said on the pregame preview.
Mario Bautista. The fans are still bitter at him from
the Jose Aldo barding ness and blah blah blah. But
he's a good fighter, very well schooled, well rounded. Great

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Cardio has good attitude for always seeking offense and trying
to wrestle up. You really gotta love his moxie. But
then he was up against someone who was probably technically
superior to him, and he can be hard to look
good against. That's kind of what you got. You got
an Umar who was better. For sure, he could take down.
At times, he could pass and from past he could

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go to turtle, turtle to the back, and then you
know various other sort of control position.

Speaker 2 (56:53):
His grappling is awesome.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
This fight told me I'm picking morob I'm picking. Yeah,
I'm picking morob. Dude, do you have y'all noticed that
Umar and Usman have the exact same skills and strengths
but also the same weakness. They're both very good. They're good.
They have you know that that that lead like like
like flicking front kick that has is so no, no,

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he's he's got the skill and he can transition to
the back and then hold it effortlessly, which is why
even a guy as good as Bautista had problems. But
like Usman, who can do the exact same thing, neither
of them have pop. Neither of them.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
It's not well, it's not just pop. I think it's
a disconnection between the skill set and a finish ability,
like some fighters fill that gap to connect it all
like Kabibe by fighting meme or I mean, or if
you're Islam, you you're explosive when the moments there Islam arrives.
Both brothers are too technically great and don't connect it

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to when it's time to go.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
It's they deal with opposition that are hard to hold down,
which I can respect. But dude, Habib, people are like,
oh Habib had you know also he had a good
ground game. What does that mean Habib had good submissions
and violent ground impound like he would make people suffer
underneath him with physical punishment. So he's making you play
a different games. He's working on positional advancement. He's working

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on positional pinning. He's working on ground and pound and
subs and they're all working together. That is not what
Usman or Umar do at all. Bros. You cannot beat
Morab dawallash Wheely if you cannot hurt him. That's the
number one fucking rule.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Okay, the one thing I want to count of that,
and I think in almost all cases you're right and
it's been proven. But injured with a broken left hand
or arm early in that fight, Umar was still competitive
and close, which made you want to wonder, what does
it look like if he's fully healthy? Are you just
saying that seeing him fully healthy against again in this

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fight against Bautista, I get it, there wasn't there's missing
that extra gear, but I think it's in there, and
I think sometimes it's dependent upon the challenge coming back
at you.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
You're asking me to evaluate things we did not see.
I'm telling you to evaluate everything that we did.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Okay, but the what what did we see early against Morob?

Speaker 1 (59:10):
Like, yeah, he's got the skilly.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
What I'm saying is he has every single skill at
such a high level that he has the wrestler.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Accept the ability to hurt people.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
True, but I think he's the only one that could
beat Morob without necessarily needing to go through him.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
You can't beat Morob without hurting him. I'm sorry, it
can't be done. It's a necessary question.

Speaker 2 (59:30):
His guest tank because it was a high pace fight,
a very high pace fight.

Speaker 1 (59:34):
Yes, dude, Mario, dude, Mario's fuck. I keep saying this
ship Mario is good.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
I gotta I gotta say it. He's good, very good.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
He made at a Yes, was he as good as Umar? No,
he's not as good as Umar, but Umar is real good.

Speaker 2 (59:46):
He made thick of that submission attempt. I know it
wasn't like so.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
This is a total So the reason why this fails
is he would have to get more aligned with him.
You'll notice that Umar is off at an angle here, right,
so he's almost cross body. That's going to limit it.
But like one of the ways you typically see the
toe hold limited is someone will straighten the leg. So
the straighter the leg is the harder it is to do.
The easieress to do is when the leg is bent

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and you can put it right behind their rear end.
But he got off at just an angle to kind
of getting it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
I'm just saying it's rare that you see in their
magaf in that position.

Speaker 1 (01:00:21):
Yeah, even though he would have tapped.

Speaker 2 (01:00:23):
A lot of pain, he dealt with a lot of
pain and I think it messed with him a bit
in the in the second half of that fight. Ale
though it was only god.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
He get it was a flash knock down. Did he
get knocked on in the second? Yes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
What I'm saying is he ate that huge knee in
the second He got out of this submission issue without panicking,
without much you know issue, although he has said to
endure it. I don't know, Look did it. I'm not
as confident that he beats Morob. I still believe he's
the only one well I don't want to say the
only one healthy Piodrian in the rematch if he fights

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at full.

Speaker 1 (01:00:53):
Okay, but gun to your head, you got to pick
one to beat Morob.

Speaker 2 (01:00:56):
I'm still good at and I'm not. But what I'm
also saying, he's not there yet because I think people
are starting to say, Okay, well he's not as perfect
as Islam and Hbib. No he's not. He's not the
same fighters. Then he's quasi. He's from the same group.
He had the same come up and winning World Sambo
championships under the late Abdulmann app But just because he's
not them, and just because like his brother, at least

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up to this point, he's not a major finish threat.
He's so much closer to being a finished product than
every other fighter in the game. Skill wise, I think
it's one of the ten best fighters in this game. Yes,
and once he does, if he can pull it together,
he's going to be incredible. But when you look at
this division, unless Song Ya Doong beats Sean O'Malley, which
is possible if they booked that fight soon, and it's
very possible unless he does. Because it's fresh blood from

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Arob who else?

Speaker 1 (01:01:42):
Who else?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Are you gonna give it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Are you gonna go? It's Ubar earned the opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
Are you going to go as a hobby because he's
got the streak just to fill time?

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
No, no, no, no no, no. Umar is the guy. But I'm
just saying I'm tired of watching these guys win fights,
because it's not tired of strong word, it is a
to watch them string together offense in so many dimensions,
so quickly and so effortlessly, and you can tell they're
a handful for basically everybody, including from a rob to
they're handful for Morob. But I'm telling you, if Ousman

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keeps having games where he can't really hurt the opposition,
not the ones from Bellatore, but the elite ones Paul
Hughes types, it's going to catch up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
With unless he becomes a more bigger submission threat. You know,
he's a huge submission threat, but he's got to be
a lights out submission.

Speaker 1 (01:02:29):
But like again, look at the submission prowess of Charles Lavera.
He was good at jiu jitsu, but how it uneven
results using it in fights until he started knuckling people
and then everything got a lot easier for him.

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Okay, what do you make of people who say Habib's
riding him too hard that this training camp reportedly started
in March, I mean he's in ridiculous shape, Umari.

Speaker 1 (01:02:48):
I don't think I'm in any position to tell Habib.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Trading this guy or no, can Habib get into him mentally?
Do you think Habib is it all? Looks to be
an incredible coach and the Father's system behind him, and
they have javieror Benda's in the corner. But is this
something that's fixable? Because I'm not panicking and I'm not
saying he doesn't deserve Like, would he benefit from not
getting Morob next? He might? He might actually benefit from
that because he doesn't have that masterpiece yet. He doesn't

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doesn't have that breakthrough win where he just slices through.
It's got the sand. He can fight, but he doesn't
have that one where it's just like, holy shit, this
is the guy. Can that be repaired? I don't fear
that because I think the other areas are so ten
out of ten that I think he'll figure it out,
and I think he may win it without ever developing that.
I think he may win the title without doing that.
I think he's that freaking great.

Speaker 1 (01:03:33):
Yeah, I really do.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
And I'm not blind to the holes in his game.
We're talking about the holes in his game, But is
that repairable? Can they bridge that gap? Can Habib get
in his head and change something to get him to.

Speaker 1 (01:03:44):
Be that Habib can't make him anything. He's not, so
we'll see what he is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
He's one of my favorite fighters.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
I love him more. I mean he dude, I'm telling you,
these guys who can't hurt people.

Speaker 2 (01:03:56):
His technique is out of control.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Dude, I'm with you. I'm with you, but I'm telling
you it looks nice, and it is nice that you
can do a lot with it. Can you beat the
very best guys in the world with it? I have
some doubts about that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Something's got to give, something's got to emerge from that
skill set.

Speaker 1 (01:04:08):
It's not just that the rules favor damage more and
so that's important to have. It's that the correspondence between
winning and the ability to deliver meaningful punishment is so
significant that if you're lacking in that, you can literally
have all these other skills and it actually may not
be enough. Punishment matters significantly.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
I will say, not only do the brothers Umar and Nuspan,
which I agree with what you said, they lacked that
finishing gear up to this point, they also overlook their
opponents a little too much. Have you noticed this?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Definitely does?

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
I think Umar slightly did in this fight. I mean
he told me when I interviewed him that you know,
I'm gonna come in there, take him down and submit him.
And he kind of you know, it looked like he
was on pace to do that until he got caught
in a submission. But I feel like that's becoming a trend.
Maybe that can be.

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
That's interesting, right because he also he was what a
minus six.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
Fifty, which was insane.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Which again and he looked better. Again, he was better.
He was better. But did he look six fifty better?

Speaker 10 (01:04:59):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
He did not.

Speaker 2 (01:05:00):
Let's see some backstage bushetto. You know, I love the
stuff between these.

Speaker 6 (01:05:03):
Two guys, Chin Goldie kimber Chindi. He was a tough
thank you thanks.

Speaker 2 (01:05:15):
You know, this was like Usman's Paul Fuse fight the
first one. You know what, It's like a little bit push.
This guy pushed me to the limit. You know I
got I mean, he still one thirty to twenty seven,
that's the thing.

Speaker 1 (01:05:24):
Should he have Should he have one? How'd you score
that one? There? Long Onland?

Speaker 3 (01:05:27):
You gotta give round.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
I gave round as one who controlled the rest of
that round after that knee knockdown?

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
It was Umar did still? I mean, you made Umar
work for it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:38):
This was also the card though, where they were really
prioritizing damage and I feel like that was the most
damage in that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
That was a fun fight to watch though from you know,
a real technical thriller, as you know. Let's talk about
what could be next for Rumar if it's not the champion.
Here's Umar talking about that.

Speaker 8 (01:05:53):
And in terms of your career, I think a lot
of people want to see you fight for the title again,
especially if it's job wins and wants a quick turnaround
for February before Ramadan. Would you be happy with that?
Are you hoping to wait for the springtime?

Speaker 11 (01:06:06):
Of course I will be happy. I will be even
thankful and we'll see what's gonna next if it's not
gonna happen before Ramadan. I if they will give it
to me other fight, maybe with figuredo h a man
is a habby, with any anybody else, I will. I
will happy to fight because today I become a little

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better in cage because it's experience. You know, you need
to spend a lot of time in the cage to
become feeling there or like at home, you know, feel confidence,
feel arena, feel fans, you know, and I won't fight.

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I won't find. I don't have anything else.

Speaker 3 (01:06:56):
I just have.

Speaker 11 (01:06:59):
I just sleep, eat train.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
We don't need. Yes, it's sleep, eat and train. That's it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:07:06):
I mean, he is dedicated to He's gonna figure it.
He's gonna figure it out. But his Ramadan timeline in
March may help him inadvertently because if Morob beats although
and let's now though uh yahn, and let's say he
does it without much hassle, they got to slid on
that schedule, he's gonna burut himself out. I know he's
a freak, but like four times in one year, do
you want him coming back in March? I'm I'm starting

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to talk myself into the idea that Umar needs the seasoning.
He's right, he just told you there's nothing like like Luke.
You know what, I think. Mario Bartista's okay and he's
gonna bounce back because he needed a fight against a
guy this level to show you that he's game and
that he can do this. Who would be that name?
If Umar is a lot, if they're gonna let let's
say they give Umar a February comeback fight before Ramadan.

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Who is that name?

Speaker 1 (01:07:49):
Is it? Figaraedo?

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
For you like, would you be okay if it's a
hobby got a title shot or would it have to
be song? You don if he beats O Maley?

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Song you don if he beats O Maly? Yeah, for sure,
for sure you could.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
I mean, would it be an insult if the hobby
got the tele show?

Speaker 3 (01:08:04):
Right now?

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
I think I think the hobby is putting together the
kind of resume that you absolutely cannot ignore. I guess
what I would submit is he doesn't quite yet. Again,
he's been he's been defying the odds this whole time.
I don't think he has quite the win yet where
he has stamped his ticket to the championship. He might
just need one more though.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
He might be their fallback if Morob wins. Would you
probably want him back in April, May or June or
what have you?

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Yeah, second quarter probably of twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:08:32):
So if that's Ramadan, yeah, so Umar Figuraedo, that'd be good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:36):
That'd be a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
I mean, it's a hobby, just the same would they
do as a hobby forum?

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
They that one? Also? You know, like this is the
thing about the hobby, He's earned an opportunity like that
be interesting? So you have to give it to.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
Him more to come in that division. But a fun
turn of events. If you like Umar like me, but
not everybody doesn't. I get that. I know they're comparing
him to the freaking greatness I mean the Koy rubbed shoulders.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
With you know what I mean. Yes, it's a tough
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Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
There was also a ESPN interview that Brodo Komoto dropped
with Islam Mahachev today where he saw some clips. He
aggressively wants to pour you at the White House.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
Here's my response, you need to worry about JDM first said.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
What I don't like is that he said, if you
want it at one fifty five, you're gonna have to
pay me. He shouldn't want it at one fifty five.
Nowither should the UFC or top Thuria. The point is
you get the number one versus two pound per pounds.
It's a great matchup if especially if obviously if, Yeah,
that's to give the Toporia. First of all, Toporia is
the one who's been calling for it. Okay, at one seventy,

(01:11:07):
he has no issue with it. It seems Topori wants
a chance to become like you know, Max how every
like like Connor did on The Rise. You want to
Max how great you can be becoming the first three
division champion. If Pereira doesn't do it before him, and
I think he's Topori has a better shot. Long Island
look hates this idea at Welterwait. He thinks Tapori is
too small.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
He is too small, And I'm not saying it has.

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
To happen on that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:27):
Yeah, I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
I don't I hate the seventy idea, Okay, but for
it to happen at fifty five, wouldn't Islam have to
lose against JDM. Wouldn't that have to increase the likelihood
that then he would then come back? Because he's jack
Jackie is right Islam.

Speaker 1 (01:11:39):
He's putting the way he looks, he looks big. I just.

Speaker 2 (01:11:45):
No, dude, if he goes out there and wins this
year and he's not cutting down, hell no, hell no,
Topori has to defend it again, maybe two more times.
But I mean there's not a lot of time lef
between now, right.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
If he's bulking up the right way by adding muscle, like,
you can't just go back down again to make that happen. Yeah,
I don't know. I don't know what they're gonna do
with this one.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
Care about Hulk Cogan's Real American wrestling announcing Michael Chandler
versus Chad Mendes.

Speaker 11 (01:12:11):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Is that the one that airs on Fox Nation? I
don't know the real American freestyle I watched. I watched
a little bit that over the weekend.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Yeah, are you into that?

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
Yeah, actually a little bit. I mean, I don't know
how big the audience is for that. I have strange preferences.

Speaker 2 (01:12:24):
But yeah, okay, that'll that just broke. It's gonna go
down November twenty ninth in Chicago, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
That's fun. They got a guy who I follow like
a wrestling influencer, you know, Muggsy the Wrestling. He wrestled
on the card on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
All right, I like wrestling better than BJJ, but I
don't really like both all that much, to be fair, Yeah,
but what do you like seventies fi? Yeah, let's go
to topic number four. Another big fight on the main
card was in the heavyweight division. It wasn't big fun
at the end of the day, but Alexander Volkov edging
al Jalton Almeta via split decision, and despite the absolutely

(01:13:00):
puzzling game plan of Almeida, which included takedowns but almost
no work from top position or offense at all, Volkoff escaped,
extending his current win streak to five and one over
the last six, which does include that loss to gond
that no one believes should have been or not many
So Luke should just like the question we asked about umar,

(01:13:20):
should Volkov be in line to face the winner of
aspinall gone. Even though this fight sucked and we questioned
Almida's IQ or understanding of the judging rules set. Did
Volkov I? He didn't. This fight sucked, But is Volkov
deserving after coming so close so many times and losing
that big number one contender fight? Did he secure the

(01:13:41):
big one?

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
There's nothing controversial about this win at all. Nothing. Volkov
is the only acceptable answer as who as to who
won that bout? Jelton Almeida has no case at all?
Whats so?

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
So?

Speaker 2 (01:13:54):
DC was right on that hidden microphone when he just
like said, this guy can't fight. Did you see to
see that one?

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah? I did see that. Who could disagree with him?
Jelton'll made a very athletic Jelton'll made a good positional
jiu jitsu, good takedowns, Yeah, he obviously had Volkov just
all kinds of bewildered with the takedown attempts without tripping
out the post leg and then carrying the lead one.
You know, that was very very good. But then did
absolutely I need I need this. This is what I
mean about the vern Exangeroba fight me see, which is

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do the fighters understand what the rules are? And I'm
being serious about this, Jlton know, do they understand getting
a takedown? The judges now look at that as Okay,
we're fighting here, now we're fighting there. You decided to
put the fight there. That doesn't mean anything to them anymore.
It doesn't mean you're just changing the place at which

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you're now contesting the fight, but changing the location of
the fight and the ways of which it is contested.
Assuming it's you know, even if you're on top, doesn't
mean anything. It doesn't mean anything. What means something is
what you do after changing that. And he did nothing.
He he did nothing. He did less than nothing. He
just sat there and looked around and held positions, threatened submissions, nothing, nothing.

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He held the lockdown one time. I believe as a consequence,
it doesn't matter. The point I'm trying to make is
he deserved to lose that fight. They the judges got
this one right. Penalizing the ship that he was doing
is exactly what you want the judges to do. They
should be making an example out of performances like that.
And they did good for Volkov, by the way, got

(01:15:28):
a sweep and some good ground and pound in the
first round. He was he was he last two rounds
were a little anemic in both directions that we're just
being honest. However, one guy at least had some attempt,
some attempt at damage, and one guy didn't give it
to the guy who did.

Speaker 2 (01:15:42):
I mean, if you fight like a thought, you're gonna
guess all both guys, that's just great, that's what happened,
you know, like it's unfortunate.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
Listen, is Volkov in this performance with any of the
resiliency he showed, did you really make you believe he's
got a shot against aspinall or gone? I mean, I
guess maybe God, considering they have history, but that that
that that gun that we saw look great in that
main event, probably not is the he's.

Speaker 2 (01:16:04):
Gonna deserve a shot. Hell I always felt like Volkoff
would get there. He's he's got it. Now here's Volkoff
making his own case on the mic after the fight
for that title shot? Do you believe that you should
be next? After tonight?

Speaker 12 (01:16:15):
I know it wasn't like a great performance, not not
because of me, but who else I don't know right
now who else should fight for the title? Maybe Almeida
or no, who I don't know, Like Blaze, he'll lose
already Damaspanal and maybe he will fight with a guy

(01:16:36):
who who loses fight. I know, like it looked like
I should have been next. Like we will see what
happened with Alex Pereira. Of course he want to go
uh after the division like us, he can do anything.
But if he will stay the same, I should go next.
So I don't know what I will do as a
champion yet, but it should be me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:58):
Yeah, he needs to sit out and wait for it.
I mean, look, the good part about if there's any
good part about the Ipoke fallout, is that we're a
little bit more interested for sure to see Aspinall Gone too.
Let's say you do that early spring, then you do
that heavyweight fight for non title at the White House,
and you try to do your best to promote it
as the winner fights for the championship, whether or not
that's true whatever, But the winner of Aspinall Gone versus

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Volkoff late summer, that's another pay per view main event
or pl main event. That's not bad. I mean Aspiral
Volcloff first fight quickly.

Speaker 1 (01:17:28):
As the main event is a dead letter, be real.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Okay, what about in a soccer staium in England.

Speaker 1 (01:17:34):
Okay, you change the atmospherics, and I think it's a
slightly different count.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
Like if if Aspircall knocks out Gone, then there's some
buzz there. You can try to build on that there.
We'll see if they do whatever. But would you have it?
I guess what I'm saying is the first fight Aspinall
took knocked Volkoff down and then submitted them so quickly
with that, uh with the chicken wing there. Do you
see that the second fight going any different? Or do
you have to see the gun rematch first?

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
I think have gone excuse me, the problems of Volkov's
takedown defense, I haven't gone anywhere, and Aspinall is going
to be able to exploit it. And so you know,
I would say this. Volkov has steadily brick by brick
worked on his grappling defense. He might be a little

(01:18:19):
harder to submit this time, but I just certainly would
not have.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I wanted to be more of an offensive shootout on
the feet. Let's see what we got here, Tom watch glory.
There to be a damn problem. But uh, quickly, here's
Dana dunking on Almeida as he should.

Speaker 8 (01:18:31):
Even though Jaelton got all the takedowns in then troll.
He just wasn't doing anything. Yeah, even Ben Askrin listen, well,
Ben Askern was like, why is Jaylton like allergic to
throwing punches?

Speaker 7 (01:18:42):
In there was his exactly, you can't win a fight
by just laying on top of somebody. That's not how
it works. So I was actually very happy with the
way the judges scored that fight.

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
Thanks Dana, I actually agree with you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:56):
Yeah, he's right, He's completely right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:57):
Let's keep going down the card here. I can't believe
we're saying as Alexander rackittch has lost four straight fights,
and while the topic probably should be about unbeaten thirty
six year old as a Matt Murza Khanoff, is he
now kind of creeping into contention. I do want to
ask you first, where did we go from here with Rackage?

Speaker 1 (01:19:12):
What do we heavyweight? He should go to heavyweight?

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
I hope, I hope more of those heavyweights like Blahovich yep,
eventually YEARI I'd like to see all those guys are not.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Saying he has to blow up super big, but you're
walking I bet you his walk around way is close
to two thirty even two forty fucking bill. He's enormous.
Go to heavyweight. I think he's faster than them, he's
more athletic than them. It's a fresh start. If it
doesn't work, you can go back down. You don't have
to change your body composition in the same kind of way.
Go to heavyweight because right now at light heavyweight do
when you got guys, we talked about it on the

(01:19:41):
pregame preview. We nailed that one. The hand speed, the
foot speed, the fluidity of movement is just too much
for a guy like Rackage when Muzakhanoff can do those
kinds of things, and dude, he was just reaching for
the takedown. I went back and I watched real closely.
His eyes Wreckage's eyes were on the leg. He didn't
even see it coming, which is why you know whenever
that happens in lands with extra authority. Dude, he should

(01:20:03):
go to heavyweight. You know you're not gonna have to
deal with guys with the speed of Murza Khanov.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Upa Kan deserves a fight now, I mean this was
a big fight for it. He deserves a big fight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah, yep, he beat He beat. Dude. Look at the
ease with which he beat Rackage, who again looked like
he was in insane shape. Yes, here he couldn't do that.
Here he had to battle back from incredible adversity. Where's
the Kanoff dispatched him?

Speaker 2 (01:20:26):
We mentioned the preliminary feature about did Aussie quilly uh Quillan?

Speaker 1 (01:20:31):
This can't be a real name.

Speaker 2 (01:20:32):
Quillan sall killed this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:33):
His name looks like the scrabble board when like, you
know what I mean, when you've got all the pieces
handed out, you're like to have.

Speaker 2 (01:20:38):
The ten days notice against Kelvin Gastlin's look like nostro?
Howk Prost? Is that the KO of the year because
dude hot Brost was out hold.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
I mean, this is the year everyone's been talking about
on social media. This is the year of the spinning
back elbow. Yes, so I don't know if it'll win
Knockout of the Year.

Speaker 2 (01:20:56):
Lauryn Murphy Holy Roan Murphy's got a great one.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
But in terms of just you know, violent authority, this
is the KO of the year. And he even said
I saw an interview he did with I think UFC
on TNT backstage and he was like, you know, I've
never done anything like that before. He does have some
stoppage wins with his hands, so he's like he's used
to that, but he just threw it and it worked

(01:21:21):
and it was the best one he's ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:21:23):
On your dad A big fan of this guy or what?

Speaker 3 (01:21:25):
Yeah, you know, we were raving about him. I think
the reason it's so fucking intriguing is because he's been
a grappler. In his Contender series fight, he got like
twelve takedowns. In one of his UFC fights, he got
like ten takedowns, So like to see him have it
with his hands too, He's like, oh shit, or with
his feet.

Speaker 2 (01:21:41):
I guess he looks like he's in arly. He looks
like he was raised in the bush if you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:21:44):
You know what I mean, does have a very ozzy haircut.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Yeah, I hope he resides there enough to this victory,
because that's that's a good It's a very warm Okay,
gross Luke, what the hell is Matteo's round Betsky made of?
Because he was getting pieced up by lude Voit Klein
in a fight that it in a fight that we
all thought would be a banger. It was almost a
one sided like showcase of Klein's skills for a while.

Speaker 1 (01:22:06):
Klein also dice to the socks. Yes, insane.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Ron Buski just doesn't stop Michael Myers and you and
he damn near almost finished him after breaking his ankle
and battering him like that scene in Misery with James
Kahn and Kathy Bates with that like metal piece. You
know that was pretty gnarly for like a sixth grader
in the theater with your parents. Yeah, my parents thinking
right there. Good lord, Klein stock goes up and the

(01:22:33):
CTE of round Buski is going to be incredible. But
we do have to marvel at this action hero.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
He has a problem, which is that he has a
ton of ferocity and he has a real problem with
defense and closing the distance you have to He has.

Speaker 2 (01:22:47):
To get hit flushed like three times before he'll throw
a punch. But then he'll throw like a crazy combo.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
Yeah, and he's obviously got some pretty decent wrestling and
he's a physical beast. I mean, there's no question about it.
But Klein is talented. Dude. Clin got outworked obviously by
gam Rock. You know, Gamrock give him some real problems,
but Gamrock gives most people some real problems. You know,
and I think, but I think you learned from that one.
He's taken on defense look better. He was catching Ron
Bechki coming in over and over and over again. But

(01:23:13):
as you mentioned, he completely like shatters his ankle in
the third round. He got kind of beat up there
at the end. But Ron Beski, I mean, bro, I
feel for his I worry about his life after fighting
because he's just giving away quality years of his life
fighting this way. But he has a dog in him.
You can't say otherwise.

Speaker 2 (01:23:29):
Lord, does he Is he in the same weight class
as Nate the train? Can we make that fight happen? Good? Lord?

Speaker 1 (01:23:36):
Is Nate landwere a forty five? Or yes?

Speaker 2 (01:23:39):
Yeah, okay, there's our Gotti Ward there in the in
the Apex Gymnasium. Luke Walter Walker. This was him at
the way and showing off his foot. Fetish dude. This guy,
as a heavyweight half brother of Johnny Walker, is fun
as shit. Got another ankle here, Luke. He's not there yet,

(01:24:00):
but these exciting victories which are very reminiscent of Johnny
Walker on a knockout sense, with like the jumping knees,
but this is done differently. He's going to be a
factor if he keeps us up. Can he keep this up?

Speaker 1 (01:24:11):
I don't know, he's only showing us this or.

Speaker 2 (01:24:13):
Is this like Mackenzatine area where it's like, oh, it's
a great party trick.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
But yeah, again, it's like usually what okay, So, in
the history of MMA, what typically happens is people who
are like this, you know, you know, Mazakazu Iminari was
one of the other first guys with these weird grappling entries,
catching you in his case, with with various heel hooks
or other forms of legs submissions. And what you find
is that eventually those guys they are gimmicky, and then

(01:24:37):
when they have to, when their game goes up against
someone who can stop that, you're like, okay, what else
do you have? And then they usually have nothing. Can't
say that about Walter or Walter Walker. We can't. We
don't know the answer to that yet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
It was big strikes too.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
He does. He's a big dude, and he's you know,
he's not taking any fucking damage. But at the same time,
we just we just don't know, we don't know. But
I mean, this thing he's doing is crazy. It's crazy
to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:00):
It would actually be great for the division if he
can make a run here, isn't it? Would it not?

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
I mean they need fresh blood. I can tell you
that'd be great if he can.

Speaker 2 (01:25:07):
You shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
I mean, here's the thing, though it's not his fault,
but the division should be in a place where you
don't get a title shot from doing stuff like this.

Speaker 2 (01:25:16):
Well, and he's not close to that, but I want
to see him be a Curtis Blade. I mean, well,
he's not that far because it's heavyweight, but like, eventually
there's some Curtis Blades type people, you know, hang around that.

Speaker 1 (01:25:26):
Like, I'll be curious to see you if the buck stops.

Speaker 2 (01:25:28):
There anybody else you want to highlight on this undercard?
We have a loaded show, but I want to give
him the opportunity.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Sorry, let me pull up. Let's go to a long
island here while I pull up my notes.

Speaker 3 (01:25:37):
Sorry, I didn't have Nathaniel would Jose Delgado? I thought
that was a fun ass fight. It was probably a robbery.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I didn't like decision there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
I thought Delgatto won, But then everyone assured me on
social media that if you look closely, would one fair enough.
I mean it was close. The Hamdi Abdel will Hob
Chris Barnett fight was terrible.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
His buns, Yeah, and we'll see some of these buns.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
Rich Mitch Roposo had a nice win over Azat Maxim,
who couldn't get much done. Ikramala scare off by the way,
underperforming in my judgment against park Park. John yond Biebe
needs to separate that.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
He doesn't need that on his lineage, you know, on
his legs. Who coach abib.

Speaker 1 (01:26:15):
Oh, that's right, because now they're working together. Yes, yeah,
fair enough. But to me, you had some interesting you
had to make the you, as you mentioned, Jose Miguel
de Delgado, loser in that. In that case, I thought
he performed really well. He didn't miss wait though he
missed away by forty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:26:30):
Take some shine off though. All right. Let's fast forward
here to topic number five. We didn't preview this, and
I really did.

Speaker 1 (01:26:37):
It wasn't on my radar super hard.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
He didn't love the fight on paper, But I gotta
be honest, A lot of that is because of the
hate people have for his own promising they're going to
get rid of pay per view again and then coming
back and putting fights like this which shouldn't be a
pay per view in the States. It was Joseph Parker,
former heavyweight title holder, who's on the midst of a
run right now that has given him six consecutive victories,
or was on that run over the likes of Deontay
Wilder's Jean Martin Bacoli. It looked as if he had

(01:27:03):
done enough to eventually secure a shot at Alexander Usik's
undisputed title. The question was like, how long would he
have to wait? Well, he chose to stay busy instead
against unbeaten more of a wild man on the rise up,
but now he's a contender for sure, and in one
fabio worldly this turned into an all action, back and
forth fight, Worldly hurting Parker in the second round, but

(01:27:26):
then we had the big crazy moment there down the
stretch in round eleven so round. At the end of
round ten, by the way, Parker looked kind of weary,
he was getting beat up. But in round eleven Wardley
put it on him. A referee, Howard Foster, the same
guy who infamously stopped the first Carl Frotz George Grobs fight,
which did set up that legendary rematch.

Speaker 1 (01:27:45):
In front of a which he never stop talking about it.

Speaker 2 (01:27:47):
But you know he's known for stuff like this. Is
is there any way to justify what he did? Parker
was taking a lot of unanswered shots, but was moving,
was defending, and was trying to mount offense back. But
the problem is, like the moment that he stopped it,
was he justified at all in the in the sequences
leading up to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:07):
So I didn't watch it live, and then my social
media feed was filled with terrible stoppage.

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
Ye, oh my god, I let's show Dan Rayfiel's tweet if.

Speaker 1 (01:28:16):
You don't mind. Yeah, Parker was up ninety eight, ninety two,
ninety six, ninety four, ninety five, ninety five, so it
would have been a majority decision at the time of
the shitty stoppage by the usually terrible Howard Foster, who
has fucked up fights for decades.

Speaker 4 (01:28:34):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (01:28:34):
I'll tell you what about Dan Rayfield. He doesn't give
a shit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:36):
Oh he's independent now, so he's just don't like it
is you know, he.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
Will absolutely lay it on right up, straight up, not
tell me. So I saw tweets like that, and I
was like, And then also our friend Dan Kenobio. Yes
he was. He was laming back. So I went back
and I watched it. Can I be honest about this, Yeah,
I'm not saying it's a good stoppage. I'm not saying
that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:28:55):
Shit he stopped in the moment like the moment that
he stopped it sucks.

Speaker 1 (01:28:58):
No, I disagree a little bit. Eh, it's it's I
don't it's not a good stoppage. I guess I don't
have the same venom that I saw within the boxing
community for it. I'll tell you why. So basically, in
the last moments of the fight, before the stoppage happens,
Wardley is bombing on him and you can see Parker,

(01:29:18):
to your point, moving and then there's one instance where
Parker really starts firing back, and then they kind of
clinch in the center of the ring, and then they
separate again and then Wardley goes right back to putting
it on him, and that is when the referee steps in. Now,
in my mind, he still stepped in too early. However,
if you just follow that logic where you're trying to,

(01:29:41):
because what you want to see him is see him
move defensively and then fire back. Es actually what you're
looking for.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
He was eating too many clean ones.

Speaker 1 (01:29:46):
Really, he was eating too many clean ones. And then
after firing back, he goes right back to getting bombed on.
And I'm like, well, I don't think it's a horrible stoppage.

Speaker 2 (01:29:55):
This guy's hard to defend normally, obviously, but sometimes referees
in their mind, when they see someone who's trying to
be a warrior but he is getting getting hit, they say, okay,
one more clean, one, one more clean, right, And then
that one clean one did come, but he didn't stop
it right then. So that's really the problem. That was
that sort of pause and then stopped fair.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
Fair.

Speaker 2 (01:30:13):
But if you were Parker, you do have to look
at that critically and say, like, I was in a
position where I was hurt floundering. Yes there was some defense,
Yes there was some head movement. There were a lot
of unanswer shots.

Speaker 1 (01:30:24):
So it was it wasn't dude, I was shocking.

Speaker 2 (01:30:27):
It was just a little bit earlier. I don't think
there would have been this outrage. And then when you
add on that Parker was on ahead on the scorecards
and he was taking a gamble taking this fight, you know,
you could kind of blow up his position.

Speaker 1 (01:30:36):
You tell me about five yearwardly, So I was looking
at his record. He has the draw, he had a
split decision draw or split draw excuse me against Fraser Clark,
then rematches him and beats him in the first round, and.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
That somehow became a really big fight over there, Like
a lot of people were behind that fight, and he
bombed on him and looked great. I called some of
his early fights on his own and he didn't. He
didn't blow me away, and I don't he didn't blow
a lot of people away. But he's tough. He's not now,
you know, it's just thirty. He knows how to deliver
his offense now, like he has a pretty good arsenal
power shots. Not a classic boxer, but a fun action fighter.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
Dude.

Speaker 2 (01:31:06):
He brought it from the jump. Yes, he was losing,
and he should have been losing on the scorecards, but
he had big moments in this fight. Ed Parker heard
at the end of round two, he almost got him
out of there. At the end of round ten, So
some of that does support at least the area of
time of the stop.

Speaker 8 (01:31:20):
It.

Speaker 2 (01:31:20):
You just can't support exact second that it was.

Speaker 1 (01:31:22):
Once again, these commissions will never let you know what
the referee is thinking, so we can't hear him say, hey,
I saw his eyes roll back in his head or
something like that exactly, which could have told you something,
but we don't know because they never tell us anything.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
All right, let's hear from Joseph Parker gave a very
classy response to how it all broke down.

Speaker 13 (01:31:39):
You know what, I'm good, congratulations to favorite Wie Florida.
Let's a fight, Laurier and at the end of the fight,
as full of the I was fine about. Listen, I'm
not the great for you know, I'm not the one
for trying to fight him. We're not there, we boy,
we're not there. Give it a bask and he wants.

Speaker 1 (01:32:00):
So there's an that's a professional right it is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
And there's an argument to be made that now you
have a rematch if you can book it, that people
would care about. And maybe this doesn't kill Parker because
if Usik wasn't gonna fight him anyway, which he didn't
want to, yeah, then maybe this gives him time to
rematch and win. The problem is now Wordley's promoter, Frank Warren,
maybe rightfully so, is now tweeting out that the next
fight is going to be Wordly against Usik, and if.

Speaker 1 (01:32:22):
You're worthly, you're promote Parker.

Speaker 2 (01:32:24):
Uh, I believe also Frank Warren.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
Why wouldn't he want the rematch? I mean, I guess
what I get what you would want to try.

Speaker 2 (01:32:31):
And to pop your guy into I'm trying to bring
the title to your side. But here's Wordly talking about that,
and I don't think he's earned it. But yet he
blew away Fraser Clark after that hiccup. And anytime you
beat Joseph Parker at this point you gotta give him credit.
He didn't. He didn't stop the fight, is what I'm saying.
Wordly wont it? So look at what he's trying to do. Now.

Speaker 10 (01:32:47):
Yeah, it's a wild one when you you piece it
all together like that. But look, I'm I'm the next
one up. I'm the next one at it. I've got big,
broad shoulders. That's fine by me. I'll carry with the pressure.
There's no problem. I'm something different. I think we've thrown
enough of the kind of not to say any of
those guys are similar or the normal usual, whichever else,

(01:33:08):
but they all come from similar background, similar ways of
doing things, and I come from a different school or
a non school, however you want to call it. So look,
we've thrown all the kind of the usual guys at him,
our top dogs and whatever. So yeah, look let me
have a crack with something different.

Speaker 1 (01:33:23):
See where we end.

Speaker 2 (01:33:24):
I mean, he made a good argument for himself, considering
that Usak doesn't want to fight Otama right now, and
it is early.

Speaker 1 (01:33:29):
For a Tama.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
It's too early for a moment, and like neither you know,
Joshua was not ready. It's Joshua might not come back
until next year. He's saying. Now, Fury only wants to
come back for a super big one, but no one
wants to see a third for Fury fight right now
without Fury doing other things first. Yeah, I can't believe
I'm saying this, But yeah, even though Joseph Parker I
didn't like the stoppage, he took the risk by doing

(01:33:53):
this fight, you know what I mean? Ultimately, so I
don't know if there's a rematch clause.

Speaker 1 (01:33:55):
Is there anyone in boxing who doesn't hate the stoppage?

Speaker 2 (01:33:59):
No, because it did suck.

Speaker 1 (01:34:00):
Yeah, I mean, it was not a good stoppage, but
I found the I guess it's usually when I see
these kinds of reactions, and then I watched the fight,
I'm like, oh yeah, right, this one, I was like, okay,
I mean it wasn't great, but like, I think some
of the outrages a little bit over the top.

Speaker 2 (01:34:13):
Think about Joseph Parker is as good as he is,
and he did have a world title. He lost it
to Anthony Joshua and their unification I've just never seen
and he had a nice comeback year recently with those wins.
I've never seen him really step up and win that
big one convincingly, like really just you know, knocked the
guy there. These are very good elite wins, and he's
compiled a certain amount of elite wins and elite losses

(01:34:34):
and he's still only thirty three, even though he's been
around forever. He just I don't know what he could
have done against Ustick, is really what I'm trying to say.

Speaker 1 (01:34:43):
Yeah, he's he's not beating.

Speaker 2 (01:34:44):
Us, and while he's way more skilled than worldly, Fabio
was like saying, look, I got a different style, different attitude,
different background. Could it still end with a usk knockout?
It probably could, but it'd be a different kind of
entertaining fight.

Speaker 1 (01:34:55):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:56):
I never thought we'd be in the spot. I never
thought that result was going to happen. But that atmosphere
is contagious. It's incredible to watch that. I wish we
could have that in the States. And I can't believe
they made this a pay per view, But that's you.

Speaker 1 (01:35:06):
Can't believe how dead boxing is. I'm telling you, honestly,
this is the dadist that's been in my life.

Speaker 2 (01:35:12):
They've murdered my boy. I mean, what happened here.

Speaker 13 (01:35:14):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:35:14):
I mean, fit's finished, man, I mean it's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:17):
Not finished for good, but there's it's it almost feels
like it's like purposely being put down for the moment
so that they can, you know, come back with what
they've got coming.

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
Next, so you know, we'll see.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
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five topics. Before we poke through the kernels of my sheite,
though offer you, like we do every Sunday night, that morning,
combat on IG and X for an opportunity to get
your questions heard. Any names you're gonna predict that we're
gonna see like a man in his.

Speaker 1 (01:37:10):
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Speaker 2 (01:37:12):
Oh yeah, we love that guy. This one's called dm
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Speaker 1 (01:37:20):
I just want to point out we got rid of
the ejaculating donkey, but it keeps returning. The fans demanded
we return it returning.

Speaker 2 (01:37:27):
Here's the first one from Logan. N No doubt, no Dulley,
no dignity. I'd like to bag it up, Logan. Should
a point be taken for excessive stalling the price card?

Speaker 1 (01:37:40):
This is a tough one. This is a tough one.
I wish we had a Pride system where to your
point you don't necessarily lose the position. But they flash
a yellow card and I think if you get too
I forget exactly how Pride did it, But it was
two yellows and a red and then you lose points
and you'd also lose a portion of your purse on
the yellows. But they don't make enough me to justify
doing that typically speaking, so I don't think it.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
Would be down with that. Get a little cattle proud
where you can just you know, apollo hook them out
of the cage.

Speaker 1 (01:38:07):
I would say this, I am you. We've been on
the show me personally, I've been very vocal about the
need to take points quicker on fouls. Stalling is a
little harder to do this on. And the reason why
BC is because stalling can very easily be the fault
of two people, and so disentangling who is at fault

(01:38:28):
is a little bit of a problem. That's right. You
need you need a quarter pointed attorney, yep, to you know,
mitigate the split a little.

Speaker 2 (01:38:35):
So, how did the marriage become sexless? That takes two people.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
It takes two two are not fucking otherwise something bad happens. Anyway,
what I'm trying to make is I'm not a post
of the idea on this, but unlike ipokes, unlike ball kicks,
I think they should be much more judicious.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
Yeah, judicious ball kicks are the way to go. No, seriously,
you can start enforcing the rules officials and they did
that on Saturday, and we like that. You can continue it.
I don't want to society cameras on every street corner,
but it's coming, it's it's here, it's here, it's here.

Speaker 1 (01:39:05):
Volunteer knows what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:06):
Oh yeah, that guy.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
Let's go to the next question. This one's from at
Faihie underscore Liam, another boy named Liam not an underscore
a period overscore in between score fayhe period Liam. Will
there be an addition of weight classes in the next
decade or will UFC stick with what they are used to.
If there is a change, it's it would probably be
the one six', five. Right if there is a, change

(01:39:29):
that would be.

Speaker 1 (01:39:29):
One the other one would be you could see THE
ufc go To adam weight on the women's.

Speaker 2 (01:39:34):
Side not enough. Depth we're seeing that play.

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Out, uh there's. Enough there might be more depth At
adam weight than there is at thirty. FIVE i don't
know how true that. Is they have to strip mind
what they did like the l so when they created
the women's, divisions they basically strip. Mind In victa they'd
have to do the same kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:39:52):
Thing it needs to be a new revolution for, women's
a new spark that that puts so many people in the,
gyms right there needs to be one of.

Speaker 1 (01:39:58):
THEM m, yeahweight well that's your. Idea thirty someone someone
was asking me like why did they do thirty five
to fifty? Five like asked The Brian campbell special right.

Speaker 2 (01:40:08):
THERE i just love women AND i want them to
have equal.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
Rights you like the big women.

Speaker 10 (01:40:14):
All.

Speaker 2 (01:40:14):
Right the next point of questioning here from. V sanchez
underscore eighty eight in terms of poor decision making IN
M M, a which we see a lot on the highest.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Level Johnny walker's got to be on.

Speaker 2 (01:40:24):
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moore is big. Onk i'm Sorry Johnny walker For sheell.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
What do you Think Long? Island who who's like a
who donks it?

Speaker 3 (01:40:37):
Up i'm just thinking of more like one off instances
Like Andre supuma against Uh sean O'Malley when Like sean
O'Malley's leg was broken.

Speaker 1 (01:40:45):
And bonus, points what did what? Did what Did sean
O'Malley call sup?

Speaker 3 (01:40:50):
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call him, that BUT i thought i'd, try.

Speaker 1 (01:40:54):
And it's a little don't do. That those are two good.
ONES i, mean did you Put Nico montagno in there for?
Somehow getting a title and then having the worst title ran. Imaginable,
Also Jamaanda randam me had an amazing, career but knowing
you had to Fight, cyborg if you Beat, holly then
you Beat holly and not a good. Fight and then

(01:41:15):
he immediately Decided you're not going to Fight. Cyborg didn't love.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
THAT i feel Like Iron lady was closer to Beating
amanda in the rematch than.

Speaker 1 (01:41:22):
She Gave amanda a tough ass fight in the. Rematch,
Dude jamada randam is, amazing but that, moment it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:30):
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her later years than she was in her you, know
sort of age. Prime she had.

Speaker 1 (01:41:36):
Put it all.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
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Speaker 2 (01:41:48):
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in big moments. Constantly, yeah it's part of. IT i,
Mean Stephen bonner had some dunk moments in big. Fights
rest in, Peace rest and, peace you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (01:41:58):
Saying, yeah he, Did he definitely. Did i'd have to
think about. It but these are some decent answers to. Start,
Certainly Johnny walker is the you, know.

Speaker 2 (01:42:05):
Yeah definitely chief among. Them let's go to the next
question from the. People this one's From appy Fat. Thon that's.
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Speaker 1 (01:42:14):
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Speaker 2 (01:42:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
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the acoustic the acoustic power ballad from a badass. BAND
i had metal fit friends growing up who were, like
we love AC dc because they don't ever do. That
there's no room in life for. That, obviously you've got
a little tenderness in your. Heart you can get down

(01:43:07):
for a metal band doing a nice acoustic love.

Speaker 1 (01:43:10):
Song, WELL i, mean how do we feel about for, EXAMPLE.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
I, Mean patiences is probably number one on the Listening, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:43:15):
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with a wider scope. HERE i saw Both Alison chains And.
Nirvana DO mtv? Unplugged? Yes would that? COUNT i mean
those are kind of.

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about writing.

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pre Show nutshell By Alison. CHAINS i feel like as
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song or, anything you know WHAT i.

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Speaker 2 (01:43:51):
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when it finally came.

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big on you, know you use your illusion one and.

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the Local strawberries on A sunday night to get that
those two. ALBUMS i can.

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Speaker 2 (01:44:11):
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seventy In.

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kind of, wild are?

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Speaker 2 (01:44:55):
RIGHT a Favorite halloween memory?

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Memory, MAN i tell you what when your kids were
trick or? Treating let me ask you a. Question when
your kids were tricker? Treating did your parents? Sorry did you?
Rather did you make them make their? Own?

Speaker 2 (01:45:16):
No, no you let them just buy help them With.

Speaker 1 (01:45:20):
Like CAN i tell you the bit of trauma THAT i? Have,
yes my mom. Was my mom was like. Not she
didn't have the idea that you couldn't buy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:28):
Anything she wasn't big into Like Roy rogers coupons or
anything like.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
That but she basically made me make my own costumes every.
Year so every YEAR i had a fucked up.

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
Costume THAT'S i was, like what the?

Speaker 9 (01:45:41):
Fuck?

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MAN i never had a good costume BECAUSE i didn't
know what what do you? Think i'm tim. GUNN i
can just fucking fabricate some. Ship so with my, daughter
we made her fabricate some, stuff but in GENERAL i
just bought her. Stuff So i'll tell you my Favorite
halloween memories are fucking with, her like going out with.

Speaker 2 (01:45:55):
Her, well they should, be by the, way when when
you get to that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:58):
Point Because i've always had SHITTY i had.

Speaker 2 (01:46:00):
More shitty halloweens than. Not like there was this third
grade party where everyone was gonna wear a costume At
Amanda curran's house for a birthday and they played the
thriller record by The way over and over and. Over
that's where we were in life at that, point AND
i was the only one that bought a costume at Like,
AMES i Bought gobot's costume and everybody else had like
handmade ones that their parents made for, Them AND i
felt like the poor WHITE.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
I HAD i was. HIDING i always had costumes where
people had to ask me what the FUCK i?

Speaker 2 (01:46:27):
Want that's not fun because you.

Speaker 1 (01:46:28):
JUST i just looked like shit the whole. Time SO i,
Mean i'm not SAYING i had bad. HALLOWEENS i still
got a bunch of candy and in the, end like
that's all that really, MATTERS i, Suppose but like, goy,
DUDE i have much more fun with my daughter figuring
out what she's gonna wear and helping her do. It all,
Right the.

Speaker 2 (01:46:41):
Worst things to get besides your dad's coupons or the
times they give you like a nickel and you're, like come.

Speaker 1 (01:46:46):
ON i HAD i had a dentist neighbor one. Time
he used to give a. Toothbrush that's.

Speaker 2 (01:46:50):
Bad popcorn balls really. Bad somehow my wife's vows just.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
Shows let, me let me tell you WHAT i don't.
WANT i don't want your homemade fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
TRY i don't want your. COINS i don't want your
what are those butter scott Mary, JANE'S i mean.

Speaker 1 (01:47:02):
Different kind of the necho. Wafers, those let's take.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
Those but Mary jane's come on so hard you break
your teeth right into.

Speaker 1 (01:47:08):
THOSE i THINK i just do those in the.

Speaker 2 (01:47:10):
Garbage if someone's giving you those old of those old
uh those those but those, butterscotch those, words ladies given.
Words come, on you, know give me the candy. Bar.

Speaker 1 (01:47:21):
Listen IF i have a bag of, candy AND i
got If i've got like, one If i've got, one
If i've got, one word's, ORIGINALS i think that's. Okay it's,
like but when multiple houses are just don't get it.
Up that's no.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
Fun my parents always checked it for you, know razor,
blades so they had to open every piece.

Speaker 1 (01:47:37):
Of those kinds of. People they were big into the satanic.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
PANIC i, mean the razor blade would have been. FINE
i would have just spit it.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Out, well you, know you actually do have to worry
About it is not the razor, blades it's the weed
gummies that's getting into. Circular.

Speaker 2 (01:47:50):
Yeah, wow all, RIGHT i think that wraps up our, questions,
right tell, me tell me all, right we have one
more segment from thank you to the. People oh, yeah
the Fans Morning Combat gmail dot. Com but you already
knew that if you want to reach Us friday, show
we're coming back with fan subs and dead, wrongs very
pedantic of. Us so reach out and touch someone, protecting
Preferably mikey with pictures of you. Touching, okay that went too.

(01:48:12):
Far our final fan segment is for, you the, fans by.
Me it's a. GIFT i scoured the globe for The
internet for the highs and, lows the, good the, bad
the Other you.

Speaker 1 (01:48:20):
Have talked very, High Hi lee about this week this week's, Batch,
well some people.

Speaker 2 (01:48:27):
Were upset about the amount of fecal content.

Speaker 1 (01:48:29):
Lately last week was, like, yo here's this woman getting
farted on by one hundred people in a, Mariachi but.

Speaker 2 (01:48:34):
You're trying to make the segment great. Again have you
seen this? Shit who, Ah, yeah somebody's taking a. Shot.
HEY ufc three twenty one Was Unabu dabi And Chris
barnett was there to show his. ASS i never thought
a fighter needed a belt more, dude long. Layoff we

(01:48:58):
all wanted to see this. Guy he got beat. Up
the fights.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
SUCK i feel like this is a great representation of
the state of Heavyweight, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
What how what happened? Here you should be better than,
this shouldn't? You can you tight can you tighten? Them
what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:49:10):
HERE i don't.

Speaker 2 (01:49:11):
Know did the waste bag? This i'd rather see Like
tyson's ass in The netflix locker room.

Speaker 1 (01:49:15):
OVER i, mean here's the thing like it came. Down for,
example when Sar yukin was Fighting, OLAVERA i remember. That,
actually actually he kind of ended up getting out of
the joke by virtue of, That so it does. HAPPEN
i just don't. Listen do you know how great my
day is WHEN i don't have to see another man's? Ass?
Yeah that's there's there's.

Speaker 2 (01:49:32):
No unless they're taded up than you're all about.

Speaker 1 (01:49:34):
It, well that's a little. Different but there's no day
Where i'm, like, OH i get to look at the
buttocks of another man and all of a sudden it's.
Better it's never, Better it's always.

Speaker 2 (01:49:41):
Worse, hey watched THE ufc way in. Closely usmann Der
Maga METOV pfl. Champion look at the warm greeting from
THE ufc. Staff That's usman right. There There's dana watch
Bro hunter coming. Up, yeah get a little. Bit is
it just?

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
Me or Is Hunter campbell with that mustache starting to
look Like? Warrio?

Speaker 2 (01:49:58):
Yeah he started to look like like like a villain
from a. Cartoon it's it feels, inevitable doesn't.

Speaker 11 (01:50:04):
It?

Speaker 1 (01:50:04):
Yeah, YEAH i mean everyone, knows, guys, guys none of
this is. UNPREDICTABLE pfl will not make, it and eventually
he'll be over.

Speaker 2 (01:50:12):
There will both brothers BE ufc champions before it's said and.

Speaker 1 (01:50:14):
Done well, one, yes you're going.

Speaker 2 (01:50:17):
To spondel, lightweight aren't?

Speaker 1 (01:50:18):
You? MOTHER i did say? Anything, okay all, Right.

Speaker 2 (01:50:21):
Luca we also saw Some nermaga metalf hijinks When habib
got after former teammate D c and like people always
be messing with D.

Speaker 1 (01:50:28):
C The russians love fucking WITH. Dc it's and not
just The. RUSSIANS i guess The brazilians do, Too, yes
but it's great to see they love fucking with. Him.

Speaker 2 (01:50:37):
Luke we never can defend the m M a media, Typically,
right here's another. Reason Why how many times a week
do you? Squat and what's your squat and? Weight what
do you? SQUAT i.

Speaker 9 (01:50:48):
Do like a lot of repetitions of, squats but not too.
Heavy WHEN i get in fight, CAMP i go like,
heavier but usually it's like more every single. DAY i
Squats monday For saturday in like sixty, pounds seventy. POUNDS
i do like sumo, SQUATS a lot of like repetitions
twenty four of twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:51:11):
That went on pretty. Long but, wow what a QUESTION
i did ask Tyche vasa that. Time you, know are
you gonna Take Greg hardy? Up not your offer to? Bang,
right that's one of the greatest moments in.

Speaker 1 (01:51:23):
Media didn't you didn't didn't you ask al Jamn sterling
about getting dicked?

Speaker 2 (01:51:27):
Down didn't you do that as? Well you got hung
up on by The.

Speaker 1 (01:51:33):
CHARLOWS i got hung up on By Mike.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
PERRY i got hung up By Tyson. FURY i.

Speaker 1 (01:51:38):
GOT i just get people who say no at the
front end and just don't ever talk to.

Speaker 8 (01:51:42):
Me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:42):
Wow you so so remember that weird moment Between aspinall
And nina when he asked her that weird.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Question about getting yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:51:50):
Digitized let's say about going third base with a. Fighter
Here's Johnny. Walker at Least nina knows who Finger Tom. Aspinall,
yes it With Ceril Gone. Luke that Whole Nina aspinall
weirdness kind of reminded me of this.

Speaker 1 (01:52:05):
Video i'm excuse, me could you be in this video
real quick to make my ex boyfriend?

Speaker 6 (01:52:10):
Jealous?

Speaker 4 (01:52:11):
Sure, okay, okay thank. YOU i think you could finger
me too for the.

Speaker 9 (01:52:18):
Video, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:52:25):
Pop so that, dude that dude is a.

Speaker 1 (01:52:27):
Comedian that dude is a. COMEDIAN i don't know his.
NAME i think it's LIKE i forget it all.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Right speaking Of, aspinall he talked a lot about his
hog this. Week Here's aspinall With Eddie hall in the.

Speaker 1 (01:52:38):
Gym thank of some more names for. Yourself i'm very
sensitive to. NICKNAMES i don't really like him. PERSONALLY a
few couple of people who tried to call me the
honey Bad, jeff what about?

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Tripod does that mean you've got a big? Penis, yes
that's not, me that's somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:52:52):
Else, no it's, not it's. Untrue it on next.

Speaker 2 (01:52:58):
Month see he wouldn't like he's not being. Honest you
know he's. Correct he didn't defend his dog when asked
that media day.

Speaker 6 (01:53:05):
Either, obviously you famously once said that you refuse to
get into a dick measuring contest With Sergey.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Pavlovitch is that something you think you'd be interested in
With cyril Or?

Speaker 1 (01:53:14):
NO i Think i'm fighting a losing battle with that, one. Unfortunately,
OKAY i kind of like this, guy.

Speaker 2 (01:53:22):
THOUGH i think you would say the same after watching
The jones Housbule of. Video we're not there, yet but be, Careful,
luca who you let when you're at these theme parks
and your kid wants to hug the mask? Up you
know What i'm. Saying you don't know who's behind there
doing weird. Things look at this guy working his ass
on this. SCRATCH i, mean is that part of the?
Gimmick or, what.

Speaker 1 (01:53:47):
Dude some where is a drive by shooter when you need?

Speaker 2 (01:53:51):
One, well you gotta be careful on the, Roadways, luke
because anything can break. Out let's let's see the cam
on this. Motorcycle Third, world your ass.

Speaker 1 (01:54:14):
With the torta running after? Him that suspiciously looked Like
columbia because they have a lot of yellow bridges.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
THERE i don't think it WAS, ai ALTHOUGH i get senteled,
often you. Know, Okay, uh scooters are also, dangerous well?
Done oh, no not that one?

Speaker 1 (01:54:31):
One? Wait wait wait, no, yeah number number.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Looks like six is.

Speaker 2 (01:54:37):
Missing oh it's. Missing, sorry scooters are, dangerous. Though, hey
let's keep it.

Speaker 1 (01:54:40):
Going your school like. SCOOTERS i get the lime scooters IN.
Dc we're kind of.

Speaker 2 (01:54:43):
Fun you have an e bike as. Well your soundbody
of the week comes From Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (01:54:47):
Perkins don't you besmirch my e?

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Bike live ON espn and here it, Is, luke well, done.

Speaker 1 (01:54:54):
Which you NEED i be proful for when.

Speaker 4 (01:54:55):
You have a.

Speaker 1 (01:54:56):
Park why is he ON? Tv?

Speaker 2 (01:55:07):
Dude that Was that was a bold?

Speaker 1 (01:55:09):
Move why is he ON?

Speaker 2 (01:55:10):
Tv all, Right, lucas time to rate that tat one to?
Ten ten is a great. Tattoo zero? Sucks, okay let's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
Start to ten, then told ME i can rate it
zero if it.

Speaker 2 (01:55:19):
Sucks this is A brazilian soccer fan getting his home team's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
UNIFORM i saw that for. Life this is a negative
eight billion out of. Ten, okay it's the worst fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:55:31):
Idea, okay the idea is a minus eighty. Six but
what about the? Execution you give it like a.

Speaker 1 (01:55:36):
FOUR i, mean it's decently, SATURATED i, suppose but it
doesn't look like A t. Shirt you just look like
you the worst fucking tattoo. Imaginable, okay, well.

Speaker 2 (01:55:48):
Let's grade this next. One if you're a Big Dustin poier,
fan then you'd probably get this. One luke of his
hot sauce bottle.

Speaker 1 (01:55:57):
Six and a, half six and a. Half you don't
hate it, THOUGH i don't hate. It it's actually well
given the given the artistic style that it, is it's decently.

Speaker 2 (01:56:05):
Exe all, right L. A doyers are in The World, Series.
Luke check out this guy's Head dodgers on the. Dome,
brother look at The raiders on the.

Speaker 1 (01:56:13):
Top, yeah how many times has he been thrown out
of this stadium for fist?

Speaker 2 (01:56:17):
Tighter look that the, execution the quality of the, marksmanship.

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
It's the line work is kind of ship and, uh
it's terrible. Placement four cow.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
Take That, Dodgers. Luke let's get Into John jones and Has.
Beulah first we'll watch how.

Speaker 1 (01:56:34):
He wanted to watch show he tany because everyone in
school was talking about. Him, yes and then he struck
out like three times in the. GAME i showed him
what a.

Speaker 2 (01:56:41):
Fraud first you had a little living room action With John.
John so this is the, Video this is the setup.

Speaker 1 (01:56:47):
Video is he kicking him in the? Head show?

Speaker 2 (01:56:50):
Goes they just they just fought the whole. Time and
then he might he does like The Mike tyson bit
where he picks them up like a, child.

Speaker 1 (01:56:59):
The garbage.

Speaker 2 (01:57:00):
Something so people were, like, okay was that Kid?

Speaker 1 (01:57:02):
Rocks like is That joey C, yeah L i p
in the shoe.

Speaker 2 (01:57:06):
Box now look that's weird, Enough, okay it got real.

Speaker 1 (01:57:10):
Weird, okay this is the one that apparently everyone's talking,
about just talking about.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Shaft John jones is. Shaft here we.

Speaker 1 (01:57:15):
Go, LOOK i don't see.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
Anything, okay, boner police have. Arrived look your.

Speaker 1 (01:57:32):
Verdict he might be guilty at? Charge well look what is?
That gotta lock him? UP i don't know what, Yo look,
Yo look he's.

Speaker 2 (01:57:42):
Naughty look look.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
He's LIKE i KNOW i get.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
It he had a has. Boner yeah he. Did, okay all,
right here's your catch of the. Weekend base that's.

Speaker 1 (01:57:55):
Something oh sweet chim.

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
Music, wow maybe get your hands up. Guy, okay this
week in, Football Luke, first The Bud Crawford World tour is.
Fun here's him at A packers.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
TAILGATE i like the number four, twenty SO i don't
sported to. It i'm, Saying, okay that's kind of. Cool. Question,

(01:58:29):
also that's fucking great showing up to A packer's tailgate
and playing with with A i guess That's mariachi.

Speaker 2 (01:58:35):
Ish Cam newton was at a college football game FOR.
Espn erased the mascots and then it almost got. Physical
tell me if you, Did Cam, Newton.

Speaker 1 (01:58:45):
Cam, newton why Does Cam newton dress like A George
washington clone from the seventeen.

Speaker 2 (01:58:51):
Months he's, like don't funk with.

Speaker 1 (01:58:53):
Me that was, interesting, okay And Cam newton's interesting but.

Speaker 2 (01:59:01):
Weird you don't usually say good hands on a, referee
but watch this this interception?

Speaker 1 (01:59:05):
Here, oh nice? Catch oh he picked him. Off what
is he supposed to?

Speaker 2 (01:59:14):
Do get out of the, way, right that's what he's
supposed to.

Speaker 1 (01:59:15):
Do, Yeah i'm not. Sure how what happens when the
referee catches the fucking? Ball i've never seen.

Speaker 2 (01:59:19):
That look you also know what happens when we go
to regional m M a, right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:24):
Anything can.

Speaker 2 (01:59:25):
Happen watch this cameraman. Closely, oh have a, spill get
seat belted. In next, time let's go to these women.
Fighting watch this front.

Speaker 1 (01:59:37):
Kick that's a roundhouse but still, yeah, anyway delivered straight.

Speaker 2 (01:59:44):
Up now tell, Me, wow let's head to some fat.
Boxers you sent me this, One, luca an incredible piece
of business.

Speaker 1 (01:59:50):
Here this is. Great he's tea bagging, Man he's tea.

Speaker 2 (01:59:59):
Bags please, please, look let's go to the. Ice i've
never saw this before in a kid's. Game MAYBE i
don't watch enough youth, hockey but this turned into a real.

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
One is that my imagination or AM i reading the
cyrillic alphabet in the, background in which case this Is
russia or somewhere they get after. It look at, this,
Dude these kids are like, seven and they're fucking brawling
like It's lord of The, fly just like their.

Speaker 2 (02:00:27):
Heroes, okay look look at the.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Referee look at the.

Speaker 2 (02:00:31):
Referee, yeah they're just Like, yeah it happens all the.
Time let them.

Speaker 1 (02:00:34):
Figure we just facilitate youth violence.

Speaker 2 (02:00:38):
In contract says we must watch from a. Distance, okay,
look new segment. Alert, okay you rate that tat one to.
Ten now a new one called rate that shitter one
to ten on ten BEING i want to ship.

Speaker 1 (02:00:49):
There this might be the greatest segment we come up with.

Speaker 2 (02:00:50):
Her here we, Go here we, go number, one poop
with a. View where are you?

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Going? Solid? Eight?

Speaker 2 (02:00:55):
Yeah that is a solid, ey that's a great.

Speaker 1 (02:00:57):
View.

Speaker 2 (02:00:58):
Wow all, right let's go out to the high seas, Here,
luke the boat. Toilet, hmm you don't have to deal with.
It it's. Gone the piranhas get.

Speaker 4 (02:01:07):
It?

Speaker 1 (02:01:08):
Five, okay all? Right all?

Speaker 2 (02:01:10):
Right uh you ever hear of a mouth? Toilet, luke
hold on.

Speaker 3 (02:01:13):
Quick you see we're missing another one.

Speaker 2 (02:01:14):
Here you're missing the mouth. TOILET i mean, there are
you kidding?

Speaker 3 (02:01:16):
Me we're missing C i Think mikey hit you up
about AND i responded with the.

Speaker 1 (02:01:19):
VIDEO i don't. Know we just take a dump in your.

Speaker 2 (02:01:21):
Mountain say, hey here's our final, One. LUKE i don't
know what model car this, is BUT i think The
thomases have an upgrade.

Speaker 1 (02:01:27):
Coming, well it's a ten out of ten right? HERE i,
mean this is where does it? Go? Though? Oh but
this IS?

Speaker 2 (02:01:32):
Ai, YEAH i GOT, ai BUT i had to show.

Speaker 1 (02:01:35):
You, yeah that's a ten out of. Ten that's the. Future, Right,
HEY i understands, me it really.

Speaker 2 (02:01:40):
Does all, right let's see if you Understand. Selene she's,
Back luke your. Thoughts imagine living with. Her you never
know what you're.

Speaker 1 (02:01:48):
Touching i'm going to find this.

Speaker 2 (02:01:53):
Person are we GETTING ai in these videos or is this?

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
REAL i don't understand why she has to eat the
weirdest things in the. House, YEAH i hope she gets
a little weird the coffee. Mo, yeah and then you're
gonna eat, it. Dude she eats furniture.

Speaker 14 (02:02:07):
Only, fans we'd subscribe as a. Show eat THE, tv
eat the tea content. Content she's just so fucking. Weird you're.
Awful you're an awful Per, Okay, luke this is.

Speaker 2 (02:02:18):
You ever wonder what the difference is between me And connor.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
McGregor six hundred million dollars this.

Speaker 2 (02:02:24):
Video some of you guys do, COCAINE i do.

Speaker 1 (02:02:27):
Gies. Wow great guy died later after he's got a
life expectancy Of.

Speaker 2 (02:02:40):
Thursday all, right let's shut it down with a round
of would you Eat? Luke it's a simple yes or a.
No First New costco hack breaking. Through you rip the
cheese off the, pizza.

Speaker 1 (02:02:52):
Which by the, way their pizzas are very. Cheesy i've noticed.

Speaker 2 (02:02:54):
Cheesy you wrap the the glizzy.

Speaker 1 (02:02:57):
And the, cheese put it back in the. Bun, yes
you're going for? That would?

Speaker 11 (02:03:02):
You?

Speaker 1 (02:03:03):
YES i?

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Would damn? RIGHT i well that's, genius, right that's actually.
Wow all, right let's go to the next. One New
Morning breakfast idea for.

Speaker 1 (02:03:10):
Tukes baha blast ship your fucking PANTS i, MEAN i,
mean doesn't bear shit in the, woods of. Course i'm
eating this all.

Speaker 2 (02:03:18):
Right here's the last. ONE i think they call it
a stick and.

Speaker 1 (02:03:21):
Chips DO i eat it with a knife or just
go for? It what is? That what AM i looking?
At a? Dog? Yeah well is the dog? Tasty?

Speaker 2 (02:03:33):
Uh survey, says, yes that's your ship of the. Week
what do YOU i gotta.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
Get a grade. Here that's all? Right and they robbed,
you apparently. Robbed this was much better.

Speaker 2 (02:03:44):
Than the mouth toilet would have been. Tremendous thank you very.
Much that's our. Show we got to get out of.
HERE i hope you enjoyed our. Recap we'll be Back,
friday eleven Am.

Speaker 1 (02:03:52):
Eastern what are we going to talk about On? Friday
due of.

Speaker 2 (02:03:55):
Course David onama Versus Steve garcia inside The Apex Apex Car.
Brother and then Maybe i'll create some fun segments we
haven't played in a. While what's that new one called
Long Al? Luke how about a rang On?

Speaker 1 (02:04:08):
Friday?

Speaker 2 (02:04:12):
Yes, okay all, right that's what you. Get follow us
at the handles. Below thank you very. Much enjoy our YouTube.
Channels i'm sure they're spin off content there, wait just
waiting for. You thank you To Long Island luke for
producing check out the main card minute anything you want
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