UFC 321 Pregame Preview: Aspinall vs. Gane Presented By Cuervo® | Morning Kombat - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
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you know what that means. Right, it's UFC three twenty

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one pregame preview right in your absolute face. Whold, Welcome
to Morning Combat. It's October twenty second of the twenty five.
Is just a few days out from this weekend's UFC
pay per view in Abu Dhabi. Brian Campbell, Luke Thomas
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Charles the Iceman, Chuck Mendenhall, great to have with it.

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Yes, that's what it means. Hey, right, yeah, don't.

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Jimmy right before he ate asked.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
But hey, this is going to be a great show.
By the way, it's Aspen all gone, it's Jandurobodern too.
It's a lot more. We're gonna break it all down.
We're gonna get fired up. A Chuck, I don't know
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Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay, there's some expectations.

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Do, men do?

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down the big UFC card coming this weekend. It's always
a great time. When I say UFC three twenty one
to you.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
You say yes please? All right, yeah, all show over,
I guess we're done.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
So it's the best in the world. You know, that's
all we need is that your what are your thoughts?
You fired up?

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Happy heart? I think it's a good card, man, I
really do. Uh.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
The main the main card has a little bit for everybody.
We haven't seen Tom Aspinall for fifteen months. I feel
like we need that big reminder of what.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Who he is.

Speaker 3 (03:02):
And I also loved the idea of kind of, you know,
sitting outside of all of this, as guys like John
Jones you never know, with Francis and Gone and things
like that, the other heavyweights that are basically have a
say in this picture. I love setups like this where
kind of the absurdity of the situation comes to the four.
So if Aspinall wins, if John Jones wants to.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Come back, I mean, or Alex Pededa or Alex Petta,
that would I mean, you know, but that's what I'm saying.
There's a lot of there's a lot of outside factors here,
and I love when we have that kind of setup.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
Absolutely. Luke Thomas, you know we look for you in
these early pregame previews before the alcohol kicks in to
get a nice grade. What are you looking at top
to bottom on this card because I heard I heard
both of you say pretty damn good pay per view
this Saturday.

Speaker 4 (03:48):
Yeah, great, Well you got two title fights, Aspinall getting making.
I think this is the first time the UFC heavyweight
has been defended in years.

Speaker 2 (03:55):
In the full undisputed. Now you can argue I thought
it was when John Jones and God fought that was
but that was vacant, so you'd have to go back
to Nganu h.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
I think that's right.

Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yes, yes, yes, yeah, that's wild by some time, so
you have to be happy about that. Gon seems like
as good a challenger for Aspinall as you're gonna get
in this division.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Maybe. I guess we'll see.

Speaker 4 (04:22):
Comin event is an important fight because obviously the champ
who was there moved up. I do love we talked
about us before long Island Luke and I were talking
about it. The Murza Khanov and Racket fight. I think
that one's actually pretty intes.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
The same thing about volcalf elme th is back.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Now against an opponent who can be tough to look
good again. So I'll say this, I'll say B.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
I'll say B.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
Now that's a solid be given the circumstances where aspinall
doesn't have it. We we think doesn't have a main rival.
We've already seen the comin event in a different form. Umar,
who is prized, is up against a good opponent, but
again not one that tends to lend itself to action
oriented fan approval. However, Volcan versus Almada should be bananas

(05:03):
for as long as it lasts, I suppose. And then,
as I mentioned, racket might be the most intriguing one
for me outside of.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
The we gotta be you gotta be on the report card,
that's pretty good. You end up finding out underneath it's
a B cup. I don't know if you're as excited.
You know, you gotta take me through your history cricket
best Yeah, try everything, all right.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
I will say the prelims on this card feel no. Well,
it's a mixed review because it feels to me almost
like a Belator prelim. If you know anything about Bellatar prelims,
you would watch them and be like, I don't know
who the fuck these guys are.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
But that man just died, and the one guy.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Just died, and the worst guy got paralyzed, and then
there was the worst fight you've ever seen after that,
and then another guy got they would have like.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Eight of them, and then it was basically just short
of like a like the Crane game where they just
picked the guy up and they just take them out.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Of there when they were post limbs after the main card,
because they'd be like they would just drag a dude
out of there and get it.

Speaker 4 (05:57):
I think there actually are some interesting ones on There'll
give me wrong and Valter Walter Walker taking on Louis
Sutherland just feels like it's sky banana potential all over it,
all right. But and by the way, Hamdi al abdel
Wahab taking on Chris Barnett should be fun for as
long as it lasts. There's there's definitely some charm there,
but there's also just I don't know it, yeah, a

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little little different, all right.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
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Speaker 1 (06:36):
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Speaker 5 (06:48):
Yeah, what's up, boys, I'm hype for this card. I'm
going to give it an a I'm giving it a holiday. Yeah, Luke,
you left out the two best prelims when talking about
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Speaker 1 (07:01):
A banger as well?

Speaker 4 (07:02):
I do like Wood del Gatto. I'm not quiet quite
as high on the other ones. However, I do agree
client Ron Beki is going to be This is what
I mean. I didn't say that the beltial preblems don't
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Speaker 3 (08:29):
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As you're telling me.

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I told my wife I had to bike home just
to kind of like cycle the alcohol.

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Knee bike. I'm an eat bike dad, Now, okay, eat
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Speaker 1 (09:10):
Alright.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
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Used to say, here's the swimming with bow legg.

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Let's go with the Paraguay.

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South American tradition that Luke never talks about.

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That's right, is what? All right?

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Al. That's a lot of That's a lot. That's the
Can I get a napkin by chance?

Speaker 4 (09:58):
Because I am a yes?

Speaker 2 (10:02):
What a way?

Speaker 3 (10:02):
What a way that we touched on the fights a
little before we got into this point.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Just a little touch, you know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yeah, they're gonna go get loose.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Okay, Yeah, a little touch, not like I think, dad,
I don't know karaoke. All right.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
The good news here, fellas with this main event UFC
three twenty one on Saturday in Abu Dhabi, is that
finally the heavyweight division will roll on in its full
undisputed form. John Jones retired in January, vacated the bell,
and then came back four days later once he heard
about the South Lawn. But we're not talking about John

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Jones right here. We're talking about thirty two year old
britt tom Aspinall, who has never been passed two rounds
in eighteen pro fights of his fifteen victories. By the way,
he's got twelve by knockout, three by submission. His only
UFC defeat was an injury plague moment against Curtis Blades
that he avenged with a first round knockout. He welcomes

(10:59):
in any thing but rud hot. However, Cyril Gon, who
uh after his seven and oh start in UFC to
will pick up the interim Heavyweight championship by stopping Derek Lewis.
It's been uh, it's been a bit of a struggle lately.
He comes in off of a fight against Alexander volkof
the very few ultimately thought he had won. But as
we set it up and break it down, I want

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to remind you that today's episode of Morning Combat has
presented to you by DraftKings, and with DraftKings, of course,
the crown is yours when we're looking at this main event.
We talked a lot this week, Chuck leading into this
episode about the pressure on Aspinall. I talked to Cyril
Gon this week. He said, there's a lot of pressure
on me as well. How live of a dog is

(11:42):
Cyril Gon here, considering that Aspinall must deal with that
idea that John Jones ran from you for a reason.
So now You've got to come out and show us
exactly what that reason wastday.

Speaker 3 (11:52):
I mean, the pressure is on Aspinall in this fight,
and I get why Gon is saying that this is
a guy who has already he kind of has lived
the life in a strange way that Aspinall wanted, right Like,
he wanted to fight John Jones could not do that.
He wanted to fight In Gano, he wasn't able to
do that. The guy has lost to those guys, you know,
so it puts him in a very strange position, almost
in that gatekeeper position, right Like, if he goes in

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there and he loses to Aspinall, he's clearly now kind
of just below the grade of the really elite heavyweights,
and I think that that would truly establish it. Obviously,
if he wins, he re answers the discussion, maybe you
start to let some of those fade away.

Speaker 1 (12:28):
But for Aspinall, it's very.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
Important for the for the heavyweight division to kind of
get rolling in a momentum, you know, with some momentum,
and I think he's the guy to do it. Not
only does he represent you know, England and all of that,
all that fanfare that comes with that but I think
that he would stand if he goes right through, if
it's a typical aspinal fight, he goes right through.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Gone.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
Don't you think he kind of stands now as the guy?
I think you could. You could make the argument very
easily that he's better than in Ghano, he's better than
John Jones where he's at as a heavyweight right now,
and I think that's important for the UFC to, you know,
for that division to be healthy.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Well, every UFC opponent he's faced, he has finished, meaning
asked when all Luke, I was actually gonna ask you
that the chuck just sort of teed up. If we're
looking at all the heavyweights in the world right now,
I know we can talk about everything we don't know
about Aspenal. Hopefully we find that out in this fight
and he go to the championship Browns for the first time.
What's his chin ground game look like when it's really tested?
But do you think he's shown enough to let you
comfortably believe he is the best heavyweight in the world

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entering this fight.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
I'm not sure how to answer that.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
That's a great question because everything we've seen has been
extraordinary and special and fun limited because he only felt
one time in twenty twenty four, so it's been in
the July, so it's been well over a year.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
I mean it's been in two three years of this
division just on pause.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
It's just insanely, it's insane.

Speaker 4 (13:45):
So so you know, from what we've seen, it's been great.
I don't think his success is in any way. You
didn't ask this, but it's not accidental. It's there's a
lot of things you can cebc the speed, the athleticism,
the ability to cover distance round game, the punching power,
like none of those things are accidental. The one problem

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is he's only ever been at most to the second
round and.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Very rarely at that.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
And it's like, don't get me wrong, he clearly has
an off switch packed into his fist, and that is
extremely important. But my rule has always and maybe Tom
Aspinall's the guy to break this, but I've always had
a rule, and that rule is I don't know when
that day is gonna come, but there's gonna be a
day where someone matches up with you and they audit you,
and even you can you might win or lose. By

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the way, it's not like an audit means you automatically lose,
but you certainly get pushed to a place that you
never thought possible. Aspinall's never even been close. And you know,
we talk about Donkelia, but you know, counting Donkula Cyril
gone himself is kind of also in this conversation with guys,
you're like, oh, is this really the guy to push
another guy? I don't know, So to answer the question, BC,

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the little tiny window we've seen looks like magic, but we're.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Only seeing a little tiny Can I tell you what
it is? I just I did the math.

Speaker 3 (15:05):
He's six fights four years, just over nine minutes of
cage time. Like he's fought less than two rounds in
four years.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
It's insane.

Speaker 4 (15:13):
He's even openly talked about I like that. There's no
tape on me. He sees it, and quite rightly, he's
totally right. This is some kind of sit to him. So,
I mean, I think he obviously wants to compete this way,
and we all do the adage. You don't get paid
by the hour in this fight sport, but it's but
it limits and also you know, show of hands. Have
you seen Aspinall do this.

Speaker 2 (15:33):
I've seen it, you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (15:35):
And like you're like, Okay, someone hasn't.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
And you compared him to Magic, you meant pre HIV
like closer to his time, right, No, Seriously, Tom Messenhal's
father and trainer called him on Countdown. By the way,
the greatest tequila is reporting. I'll just slit that best
the best knockout threat in the UFC history. Now, obviously
he never got a chance to beat and Ghanu who

(15:58):
maybe we give that to? But is that fair? I mean,
he's finished everybody he's fought. He's beaten a lot better
names than people give Aspinall's resume credit for the efficiency
of his knockout skills are pretty damnaged.

Speaker 3 (16:10):
And also, like just consider that he's fighting Gone, who's
you know up there? But like he's already beat what
the number two and the number three within the UFC
official rings the next closest guys jeltonomight who fights on
the same part. So if he beats Gone, he's already
kind of cleaned out the top of the division, which
is kind of a you know, it's kind of a
crazy thing, but I agree it just if your whole

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if you're gone, your whole thing should be Let's see
what he does if he's going later into a fight,
I mean that should be the whole mission, going into the.

Speaker 2 (16:38):
Wing to pause that because I asked Cyril gon that
this week on my You can check it out on
the BCX or the interview.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
Hey did you talk to these guys? You haven't mentioned it.

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Yeah, we're going to show the whole interview. But I
specifically said to him, like, okay, bringing him into the
later rounds has to be the plan, and he was like, no,
I can do it both ways. I'm just as willing
to go to war with him in round one and
try to get him out of there.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
That was a reflect to me, that's a victim.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's a red flag to me because I don't want
to be rude, but like, is he count Donkula? Is
he on first team? All? Donk There's been a pattern
of Cyril Gohn at the very highest level when the
lights are the brightest, to maybe be a little either.
His game wasn't fully ready for prompt Let's not forget
he came to m Man twenty eighteen. Yeah, he debuted
in the UFC one year later, and it wasn't that long.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Before he was fighting for He started fighting twenty fifteen.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Right, it's like it's incredible. So there's things that he
doesn't know that he doesn't know until he finds that out.
I don't know, man, I mean, this is it when
he told me, I'm just as willing to go in
there and bang and try to get him out of there. Yeah,
you're gonna walk into the hornets nest if you do
that with a guy who's probably just as fast of
you handspeed wise. But the power gap between Aspiral and

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Gone from a one shot standpoint just seems to be.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Wide, right, it seems pretty significant.

Speaker 4 (17:52):
And also, you know, dude, hey, you have bad judgment
in that John Jones fight, like like throwing with your
backhand and changing stances as you kind of go through
and now you're totally overexposing yourself. You gave that fight
to John, and then the Volkala fight I went back
and where we watched it in preparation for today. You know,
he did some stuff well, he had like a good
double leg. I think in the first round he got
the fight to the floor. In the or tried to

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get the fight to he got taken down or fell
back and then tried to get up and then had
a decent scramble for a bit, but like he's got
he's got a striker's takedown defence. Do you know what
I mean by that? Like where you'll watch a striker
build takedown defence slowly over time through the years, and
you can see every time they add a new wrinkle
it makes it a little bit harder. But they never

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it's all robotic. They never have a natural flow and
understanding about how to keep it moving, what the next
place is if something gets shut down, whereas a wrestler
just kind of instinctively knows how to go to the
next place, to the next place, keep moving, keep moving,
keep moving. And you know that's not something you can
easily fix. And it just seems to me like he's
got he's got some fatal flaws with his game in

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addition to the decision making being a big party.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
I mean he was.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
I think he's saying that is a red flag for him.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Well, I was gonna say, look like Cirril Gon, if
you recall, was eleven to zero when he stopped Lewis
and was suddenly the interim champion. But in his last
five fights, we have a disappointing performance against a one
leg getting gone a close fight, Gon thinks he won.
Still disappointing performance. Right went to war with Ti Tai Tuyvasa,
probably unnecessarily got rocked a couple of times, did get
the knockout win completely laid an a against John Jones,

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and even he will agree to that nice comeback stop
at just Sergey Spevac. But now he breaks his foot
in the December rematch with Volkov and nobody thinks he
won the fight, including Danil White, who promised Volcoff like
you know, he'd make it up to him afterwards. When
I say that Gon couldn't be entering this fight unless
of a hot streak, Like if if that speedback fight
was the one fight in the five where maybe we

(19:44):
saw the best version of him, how much better can
he be? Because what Gon told me ultimately was I
made one mistake against John Jones, and everyone thinks I
have a bad ground game because of that.

Speaker 1 (19:53):
No, that's not true.

Speaker 4 (19:54):
He made many mistakes, and they were really not just
ordinary mistakes, they were really bad ones. So for example,
he said for that leg lock, he not only sat
for the leg lock, he sat and then for the
wrong and sat the wrong direction that's not one mistake,
that's two. Number one, you should have never have sat
for that ankle lock. You should have passed. And number two,
if you're going to sit for it, can you please
know how to fuck to finish it?

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Finishing mechanics matter.

Speaker 4 (20:15):
He did it the exact opposite wrong way you're supposed
to do it, then repeated the mistake in the Volkov fight.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
This is what I mean BC, where he's like, I
made one mistake. No, the fuck you didn't.

Speaker 4 (20:27):
You made many, and you compounded them in quick succession,
and all of it feeds back to somebody who not
recognizing what tends to be the problem here, which is
that you're out of your depth. You're going to shortcuts
in the grappling department, and you think that you can
take a short cut to a submission finish You cannot.
You don't have the skills.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
For given that. Like people have seen kind of gone.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
I think, like some of the things you're mentioning, like
obviously you're seeing it a little bit deeper level of analysis,
but like we've seen him lose, and we've seen him
like him win fights that he should have lost. Sure,
is it a disaster if he goes in there like say,
he just can't you know Aspinall, like all of a sudden,
it's the Gone era.

Speaker 1 (21:05):
What if you want to cause this?

Speaker 2 (21:06):
Like I think that's an official disaster for the heavyweight
division to have to wait this long only to find
out that because wasn't that dude that terrible?

Speaker 1 (21:12):
That would be terrible.

Speaker 3 (21:13):
And also, what are you gonna get You're gonna get
Jones coming back to fight Gone again.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
You're gonna get Jones going I was right, I'll see it,
you know, Like that's it.

Speaker 4 (21:20):
I mean, this is a huge fight for Tom Aspinall.
You could say what you want about, like how much
you like the individual matchup or what you think the
fight will be, but bc to the point you raise,
I mean, if we were clear on this show, I
mean Aspinall was the guy that John had to fight,
and John did duck him. Those things are unimpeachably true.
But what's not true is that we thought he was

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the guy that John had to fight because oh we
know for a fact he'll beat him. It was because
he had the belt and because he had the best record,
and that's the guy you have to fight. But as
I mentioned before, we see like, we've never really seen someone.
What how does Tom Aspinall react if he gets tired? Right,
I have no fucking idea. What what is the threshold
where he gets tired?

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Couldn't tell you. These are big questions.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
You can answer that for virtually every other champion on
the roster, you cannot do it for him.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Long Islan Luke, Can we get an updated DraftKings odds
for this main event to see what, at least from
a betting standpoint, Cyriah Gone is up against?

Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah, you know, just give my phone a second to load.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Up all the pertinent information I have at already. But
that's fine, you know that's good right.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
There on at UFC three twenty one.

Speaker 6 (22:26):
Here we go, let me scroll down to that fight.

Speaker 5 (22:29):
You know, tom Aspinall minus three point fifty five coming
back plus too eaty wows.

Speaker 1 (22:36):
They don't have any faith in right.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Well, these are two normally well mannered gentleman for the
large part. But there's been a little man a little
bit of fireworks over the idea of did one turn
down a fight earlier when it was offered? And what that?
And it got saucy enough that we had to bring
Quervo back in here for a little bit of something
we call shots fire and shots fired of course, brought

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to you by Cuervo. Now's a good time, hey R
right now, Okay, now's a good time to enjoy the
tequila invented tequila U. Tom Aspinall had gone on record
in the past and saying he felt like Cyril Gun
had ducked him for de Lopez, the coach of Gone disagreed.
They met up in the hotel lobby and Abu Dhabi
and had some words. Let's listens. From our perspective, that's

(23:26):
what happened.

Speaker 7 (23:27):
Genuinely, Oh listen, I sort of them the physic and
I was John, I want Tom never has mentioned your
name or anything before.

Speaker 8 (23:48):
Just that's the first time, but.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
After for us, they didn't mention Cerol's name before.

Speaker 1 (23:55):
Maybe not to you, but.

Speaker 7 (23:55):
To where no mention is the do you want to fight?

Speaker 8 (24:01):
They never even mentioned to me.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
I swear I.

Speaker 7 (24:04):
Can't much them.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
I believe it was like this is whold me.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
I'm only saying, but from my perspective, it is the truth.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
From your perspective it might be different, but I'm just
saying my truth. I would never make you up and
be like oh he's he's a pussy or whatever. I
wouldn't do that.

Speaker 2 (24:24):
I'm saying the truth from our perspective.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
No, it makes sense, of course I would. I'm never
gonna start making up some lies.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
But from the trash before.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
Manchester, it's about the.

Speaker 2 (24:38):
Club dance.

Speaker 8 (24:39):
No, don't want about it.

Speaker 2 (24:40):
It's like you, yeah, we little bit, we're gonna fight.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
It was a good guy. You don't. You don't waste
heat like that.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
You know what you do about nothing?

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Ultimately, Herelty, it's not going to John Jones, d C.
I can tell you that.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Where's Dave Shaller when you need him? We do, though, have.

Speaker 1 (25:01):
Additional He runs PR for the commanders.

Speaker 2 (25:03):
Now really, I know he went to the seventy six.

Speaker 4 (25:07):
Runs PR for the commanders. He's the head of PR
for the Sixers and the Commanders simultaneously. It's the same
guy who owns both the Josh Harris group.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 4 (25:17):
So he started with the seventy six ers and now
he does. He's ahead of PR for the Washington Commander.
I think he's from Atlantic City, right, Dave.

Speaker 1 (25:26):
Today.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
It was maybe when Cowboy came into studio on Serious
XM and the interview was over.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
He's like, where's the nearest titty bar?

Speaker 3 (25:32):
And I was like, well, okay, you already have it
all printed out right here?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Look, can you set up the sound by Cheryl Gon
having a little bit of beefair with tom asprown putting
hands on opponent shoulders? What's this ali about?

Speaker 4 (25:44):
You know how he did the John Jones thing, almost
like a meme where it's like, hey, I'm being friendly,
but it's a big brother and he kind of does
this somewhat repeatedly. Gon didn't like the idea of having
that being done to him.

Speaker 2 (25:58):
All right, serial gain, let's here.

Speaker 8 (26:00):
It's a stupid thing. This is so if you want
to reach my side, I'm not to pull my hand
on his shoulder. If you want to have his wrench,
you just need to pull his hand on the wall.
He's gonna have his wrench. Why you don't need why?

Speaker 1 (26:13):
Why?

Speaker 8 (26:13):
Why you need to push his hand on my shoulder?

Speaker 1 (26:16):
What?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
What do you think it is? Do you think?

Speaker 1 (26:17):
It's like?

Speaker 8 (26:19):
I'm not sure if the truth if he did that
for that he tells you say he did that.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
I still don't know the answer.

Speaker 8 (26:27):
I don't think so, because it's not smart if you
want to have my range, if you want to learn
something about my range and not to put my hand,
and you're gonna have marriage. Smart your head on.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
Your rage people who.

Speaker 8 (26:53):
You he is so smart? But no, brother, you're so stupid.
So yeah, that's funny.

Speaker 1 (26:58):
That's funny.

Speaker 8 (26:58):
That's very funny.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Tom's a big guy. There's no graceful way to grab
a man. Yeah, he's got like a throat tattoo almost
back to his spine.

Speaker 2 (27:06):
Do you want to do this for sure?

Speaker 1 (27:08):
Hey? For the people of Colorado, Colorado? Yes, thank you.
How they shooting each other again? What's going on? I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
I was told specifically, no Columbine jokes. Please, there we go.

Speaker 3 (27:17):
No, it wasn't a I mean there's been like five
thousand shooting since then.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
All right, here we go. Well this is turned dark
and tragic.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
What's it like watching Jokic cry over his horse winning
Oh god, and then acting like he got a bill
paid when you want it?

Speaker 1 (27:36):
When he's like the job is, He's like, yeah, awesome, great,
you know I think it's great. Man.

Speaker 3 (27:41):
Yeah, I mean that dude has been a godsend for
the city of Denver. It's been a you know, but
they if they don't want it this year. I mean,
they've done everything they're supposed to to like put themselves
in that position.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
So it's gonna be fun. Man, Do you like him?
You gotta like Jokic, I mean.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
I like the idea of him hating everything about celebrity life. Yes,
but you don't have to worry about the wizards, and
they've got a long way to go.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
Sometimes have their number.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
Hey, maybe Jervaris Critenden, we'll get out soon and be
able to Andre Blatch. Yes, yes, remember him back to
this main event of course. Okay, maybe that's not the
sauciest build up in the back and forth between them.
God has said repeatedly this week that he trusts his
own ground game, He respects Aspinall's ground game. Is this
even something we have to think about? Will this fight
go to the ground there?

Speaker 1 (28:24):
I don't think so. I don't think so.

Speaker 3 (28:26):
If he's being sincere and telling you that he doesn't
necessarily think he wants to drag him into a long
fight or anything like that, somebody's going to go down.
It's probably going to be him. I don't think it
goes to the ground. I think it does go to
the ground, you think, so, Yeah, but.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Who initiates that h oh as a way to show
as a way to take advantage of a suspected weak spot.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Yeah, like just to blast him off of his feet.
I mean Aspinall subbed out volcoal from on top. He's got,
he's well rounded. I'm not saying it like as sometimes
we treat it like, oh, he'll take him to the
is like a refuge, and I think if it more
like he might mix it up, mix it up, take
it to the ground and like really put a hurting
on him there. Actually I don't. I don't see it
as a weakness. I see it as a.

Speaker 1 (29:10):
Display of a multitude of strengths. Y.

Speaker 2 (29:13):
Espinall's dad kind of broke down and countdown that his
initial strength was the wrestling. But we don't see aspaal
have to use that a lot. So it's really hard
to tell. I know he's got three submission wins as
a pro, but that's all.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
It goes back to the lack of tape, right, So.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Yeah, that's what it is right there. When we talk
about what they're fighting for, obviously we know that that
for gone. It's in some ways to save the trajectory
of his career and finally live up to those expectations.
For Aspenau, it's to cement that the hype was for
real and now we can get back to business and
we may have a historically relevant heavyweight champion for all
we know if this continues. But in terms of like
who's next, I know the Rosen strike, I'm sorry, Roses strike,

(29:48):
good lord, I know the Johnson All made a volcal
fight that we're going to get to could very well
produce the next title contender. But are we expecting the
John Jones comeback tied to the White House potentially against
Perreira to be an alternate thing separate from the title
picture at the moment, or is there a chance that
Gone and Aspinall are fighting for a potential fight against

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either one of those.

Speaker 4 (30:11):
It feels to me, if I'm being honest, not so
much in what the actual paper says about what the
fight is. With the paper is this is a full
weight class champion in a title defense against a challenger,
But it still feels like this is the interim championship.

Speaker 1 (30:25):
And if John ends.

Speaker 4 (30:26):
Up fighting I agree Alex at the White House, that's
almost seen as like again not formally the championship, but
I know the most important heavyweight fight that the UFC
could put together certainly the one that the fans I
would I would imagine would have the most amount of
interest in, which is weird because it'd be one light
heavyweight coming up all the way from middleweight essentially versus

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a guy who ducked the other guy who's been out.

Speaker 1 (30:50):
Yeah, and you're punishing the guy that he was ducking.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
Yeah, there's a question like, let's see what happens here.
Let's imagine aspinall wins, but it's somehow not like a
very interesting fight or a mandate. And then you have
a John versus Alex fight at the White House, and
whoever wins, it's exciting and thrilling and like hugely momentum building.
You just can't tell me that the statue whatever they say,
whoever has the belt, fine, but the stature of it

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confers importance, and that importance would be definitely tilted towards
that event.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Look trying to get like resolution in the heavyweight division.
Imagine imagine what that would do.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
That would just like we can you just because like
as much as I hate what John Jones did and
how he handled it in the length and everything, and
now he wants to be back and it's just like,
oh God, him against Pereira is a monumental fight no
matter how you frame it. But you're right, that would
completely we would consider that almost the heavyweight Championship.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
Heavyweight fight being significantly bigger and more important than the
heavyweight champions.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
Straight heavyweight champions. They ate the belt and they were
had the potential to be two of the best of
all time and a Gano and John him they.

Speaker 3 (31:54):
Do it though, like you were mentioning a scenario where
he gets by gone, but like he goes in there
and he crush is gone, Like can.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
They still do that? I mean, to put him.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
Aside at that point would almost feel promotional while practice right.

Speaker 1 (32:07):
Like you're you're the guy.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
You have a guy who you should be behind, who's
putting a smoking everybody that he faces, and he can't
get into that big fight like that would be crazy absurdity.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
It would be absurd. But is the flip side that
if God pulls the upset here, that that brings John
Jones to the White House for the belt in a rematch,
that would be the story rewarding behavior but that's like
throwing a dolly through a window in Brooklyn and getting
the biggest title fight ever Aspen.

Speaker 4 (32:38):
The only cat there is Dana White himself, finding John
an unreliable partner to promote. That's the one thing that,
no matter what happens, could derail that plan. But dude,
I mean again I said it before. It's one thing
if John is floating a fight. I don't want to
fight the champion. I want to fight a light heavyweight
blown up at heavyweight, even though at that time he

(32:59):
was the champion.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
But that's not the case anymore.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
And now Poeton is the one lobbying for it, which
totally changes the dynamics of how that fight is being perceived.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
What do UC will do? I mean, your guess is
as good as mine.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
What if what if Jaylton Almeida, for instance, like a
new blood coming up wins, you know, your wins.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Convincingly aspinall wins.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Right now you have like a guy within those ranks
who's coming for him, right, could they do it then?

Speaker 1 (33:25):
Could it be like Okay, now you've got a two piece,
you've got the heavy Maybe that's what they could do, right,
like they could against.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
I think if Aspinall goes in there and annihilates Gone,
that changes the.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I agree, I agree. I'm just going through the hypotheticals.
But that's that's what I'm saying. The absurdity at the
very top, I was like, the absurdity if he goes
in there and wins, the absurdity of like who's waiting
in the wings and all that comes into play. I
think John Jones at that point it's you know, they're
firing pistols at his feet.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Like if you want to come back, that's your guy
you have to face.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Can it be helped along? I was going to ask
you who asked? And all? Let's say he knocks out
Gone in the second round, he's going to have a
call out? Ready, what do you call out in that spot?
Do you say?

Speaker 1 (34:06):
F you John?

Speaker 2 (34:07):
You had your chance Poeton. You want to fight for
the heavyweight title, become the three division champion. I'm your guy,
meet me at the way?

Speaker 1 (34:12):
How small for him to do that?

Speaker 5 (34:14):
Well?

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Because you but also you don't want to be left
out of a Jones Pereira super fight. So do you
call out John?

Speaker 7 (34:19):
Like?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
What do you are? Do you call it? I don't
think you call out a name. I mean, if you
want to, you can.

Speaker 4 (34:24):
I don't know about John, But then you call it
Poeton or whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
That's a trolling job, James.

Speaker 4 (34:31):
What you do You put the ball in the UFC's
court and you say, I've seen what Morob has done.
I want to do that at heavyweight. I had one
fight in twenty twenty four. This division's been on ice
and I'm here to thaw it out. Man, make me active,
put me back in there in three months, and I
feel like you'll kind of get this resolved to a degree.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
Jones, get your shit together along. I don't look before
we give our predictions, we want to hear your betting
analysis here. You do have gone as a big for
a title fight. There's a pretty big underdo. Is there
any value in going surreal Gone?

Speaker 5 (35:03):
It's just you guys talked about all the unknowns of aspinall.
You just can't put your money on cereal gun in
this position.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Reliable not to mention the blades injury.

Speaker 3 (35:11):
Remember fifteen seconds in like that always comes into play
on heavyweight, Like guys can get it hurt exactly.

Speaker 5 (35:17):
I took Tom Aspinal in a parlay. It is a
very chalky parlay, But you know, you gotta do what
you gotta do here. I kind of want to dabble
with a serial gun bet, but I don't think this
goes the distance, so I don't think it's even worth it.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
What's the what's the parlay?

Speaker 5 (35:30):
The parlay is aspinall money line or money line blessed
pc and over two and a half in the Comaine
it's plus one fifteen pc allergic tors.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
I am very much so lt I want to go
to you first. How does this fight end? Who wins?

Speaker 4 (35:44):
Probably aspinall, probably second or third round, probably TKO stoppage.
That doesn't mean it's on the feet, could be on
the ground pounding him out, you know.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
But I like.

Speaker 4 (35:56):
Again, I mean, if he goes in there and gets Chinn,
would you be like wow, I never saw that coming.
But I don't think that's the likeliest outcoming.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Or if he gases out in a back and forth
perioded kickboxing.

Speaker 4 (36:07):
But do you know, like Cyril Gon has good cardio,
but not amazing cardio, Like that's not a thing stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
It's like, look at who we're relying on. He's coming
here off of the worst scenario in circumstances.

Speaker 4 (36:17):
God is the kind of guy that looks real good
when you're fundamentals when the opponents fundamentals are real bad. Sure,
because he can he has athleticism, and there are certain
dimensions of the game that he can be quite technical,
like with the jab and then angling off.

Speaker 1 (36:29):
He looks pretty good. I don't think Aspinall's that guy.

Speaker 4 (36:31):
I think Aspinall's probably And by the way, Aspinall you know,
so I'm sure you watch the countdown for UC three
twenty one where he's like, I've not been competing, but
I've definitely been working steadily, steadily, curious.

Speaker 1 (36:43):
To see what he's got. I'm gonna say, I'm gonna
say third round stoppers, Tom Hospital Chuck.

Speaker 2 (36:46):
There's a rumor that you've been watching episode of episode
one of UFC three twenty one embedded on like loop.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
I haven't even seen it, but I draw these strange parallels, so.

Speaker 2 (36:56):
I try to think that says it right there.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
I don't know, Yeah, what's that? So here we go.
What's a better episode one?

Speaker 5 (37:04):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
You didn't see. No, it was like UFC's attempt to
cash in on Durn's high value.

Speaker 3 (37:10):
Two minutes of the pool right, So it sounds like
I will at least then they follow her from behind
like they did the full they put her in the thumb.
I always want to draw these parallels because I think
that the heavyweight division is finally like you know, you
talk about heavyweight traditionally in any kind of combat world,
it's the sport like it's that's the division, right, And
I feel like you compare this with Innghanu kind of

(37:31):
out there and John Jones out there, and you have
Aspinall to the seventies in boxing where it was like
you had all these guys and I keep seeing Cyril
Gone as like this Ron Mile or Jimmy Young type figure, right,
like a guy who's always fighting those guys, but he's
not beating him. And I feel like that's where maybe
this is. This is like the romantic side of like
how you look at the game. But I'm like, I

(37:51):
feel like that Aspinall is in that spot to kind
of like say this is a real era of something happening,
and he can be that guy When he says that
he's been training and he's not letting his guard down
all that, I really believe him. So I'm definitely taking aspiral.
I think it happens fairly early within two rounds.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
I was gonna ask, we're all taking aspiral. I'm taking
him by t KO stoppage. I'm just wondering will it
come in round three where we get to see him
pushed at least to a point we've never seen.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
You have to work for it.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
But the more I think about it, the more I
watch count on, the more I just like, really look
at tape. I'm like, nah, bra, this is the second round.
If that you guys.

Speaker 1 (38:26):
Have heard it designated gon a donk some what are
you guys calling him? You got? I just called him
count okay, count Donkyla.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I mean if he goes in there and he gets
smoked in the first round, I think he'll earn that
nickname because that's this is the one thing that everybody's like, Okay,
the suspense of this fight is what happens if it
goes a little deeper into the fight.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
And he's like, no, I'll show you that I can
take him out in round one. That's where I was like, hey, dude, like, yeah,
you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
Yeah, he could you make more noise?

Speaker 2 (38:49):
I'm sorry, I got a running nose here.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (38:54):
I have a cough button for a reason, Cocaine. Let's
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(39:15):
up next pay per view at MSG to challenge Valentina
chef Chenko and a flyweight super ish type of fight,
but what it has left behind is a wide open
division at the one one five Verna Jangeroba is what
five and one since she lost a decision to Mackenzie
Durned back in twenty twenty. Dern, on the other hand,

(39:35):
is five and four and has been as inconsistent as possible,
yet has shown I think at times much higher flashes
of a ceiling compared to the steady, technical, well rounded
game of Janderoba Long Island. Look, can we get her
odds on this one? Right now?

Speaker 6 (39:52):
I got him ready to go right here? Uh No,
I don't, I X out of it.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
I'm sorry, give me what well?

Speaker 2 (39:57):
I might have it well Durn's the favorite here. That's
where I wanted to is the favorite.

Speaker 1 (40:02):
Yes, oh I know for DraftKings. No, I don't have it. Sorry,
all right, I have it. I have it.

Speaker 5 (40:07):
It is jener Roba plus one fifty oh sorry, plus
one thirty during minus one fifty.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
So it's getting closer. But still, even though Mackenzie Durton
won a three run unanimous decision over Jangeroba twenty twenty,
they're to me, they're well, they're much different in their
evolution sense then. But you had an alternate take. You
said Durn has evolved more since then, and I disagree
with that.

Speaker 8 (40:29):
Yeo.

Speaker 4 (40:29):
I mean, I'm not sure you've made a compelling argument
when we're talking about this pre pre show. The thing
is like I watched the first fight and like, god,
Durn seems so.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
Raw.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I mean, justment yeah, just I remember.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
That she just kind of throws herself into these exchanges,
like literally like like loses balance or just kind of
throws punches. There's no setup, there's no fainting, there's no
thoughtfulness to it's just clashing. It's just two rams colliding
and she kind of out physically. I mean, there was
obviously some skill on the ground or whatnot. But she
kind of out physical gener Roba. And now to the

(41:05):
point you raise, ginger Roba hit her with that sort
of kick that ended up being a knee that broke
her nose in around two. Dern, that fight many other
ones has shown us pretty good bearing under fire, her
ability to maintain composure quite good, and then on the
ground obviously is still going to be superior to ginger Roba.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
I think you're right, BC.

Speaker 4 (41:24):
I would say that the way in which she kind
of ginger Roba has like polished her game, put it
together a little.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
She can wrestle a little bit more.

Speaker 4 (41:31):
I just feel like, I guess what I would say
is this, maybe I'll dial it back or change it
a little bit too. I feel like Dern has cleaned
up some of the more egregious things that she was doing.
If you watch that fight. To your point, though, there's
like a level of technical I don't know, I don't
know what the word would be, but.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
But there's there's a dunk presence. I hate.

Speaker 4 (41:54):
It's amazing that, like her wrestling has kind of struggled
as long as it has, although it's gotten better of late.
It's kind of interesting she never really worked on a job,
despite the fact she worked with a good boxing coaches.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Have you noticed her.

Speaker 2 (42:03):
Striking can vary from fight to fight. She can either
be locked in and technical notice or she can get
thrown off base early and it becomes a wild.

Speaker 4 (42:11):
Bro Here's the question you have to ask yourself, is again,
to the extent that the first fight means anything to
the second one? She Deurn was much more physical of
the two, with some exception, but in general, you know,
just kind of like was the one pressing the action
literally walking into Jenji Robo. If she tries to be
too technical this time, might she limit her offense to

(42:31):
such a degree that Jenji Roba can make it close,
you know, and then potentially take a decision like is
there a case to be made that, like, you know,
maybe a little bit of maybe you.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Don't need to be too technically savvy with.

Speaker 4 (42:42):
This one, just kind of throw offense with volume and
then pressure and then let that kind of take take
it the its course.

Speaker 1 (42:50):
I don't know the answer.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
Look, I guess I can understand Durham being favored if
you look at it as she's the higher finishing potential
of the two, right, incredible submission game. She also at
times when she's locked in, can really find a home
for that right hand. But on the flip side, Durn
caught up with a friend of the program, Shaquille Masouri.
I don't know if he text you often and.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
Not too often?

Speaker 2 (43:09):
Okay, she said one thing that that that he brought
up I thought was interesting. She said, I'm glad this
is not a fight against Jung Way Lee because I
don't feel like I'm ready for that right now. I
feel like I would need a few more fights. And
I get that if you're just straight up comparing to
her opponent in Janderopa who in her mind, she's like,
I already beat her four years ago or five years ago.
That should be fine. But I think that explains that

(43:32):
the tepid nature I have in seeing Duran has the
betting favorite here, even she realizes she's not quite there yet.
And if she's not quite there yet, even though Jander
Rooba is unassuming thirty seven years old, that doesn't mark,
you know, isn't marketing on the same level. She's solid, steady,
well rounded and has gotten better fight by fight as
her confidence. She's got her eye on the prize right now.

(43:56):
Without question.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's in the you know, and how we perceived McKenzie
Dern coming up is that we always thought at some point,
because she was a darling within our industry and especially
within the UC, that she would be given a title shot.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
It always felt like they were kind of.

Speaker 3 (44:12):
Working her into that spot, like they gave her some
big fights, but then she would kind of come up
short or whatever. I do agree that she has been
kind of inconsistent but mostly improving.

Speaker 1 (44:22):
As we go on.

Speaker 3 (44:23):
Jean Deeroba is weird because I probably would have picked
Dern very easily in this fight if I didn't just
watch the Jan John Non fight with where Vernon basically
like dominated her.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Verne's gotten tougher in me, That's what.

Speaker 3 (44:37):
I'm saying, Like I think, and there's there's a little
I remember. She used to call herself the female Damien Maya.
She use to say that she wanted. And the thing
that's crazy about it is I can see that parallel
in that Damien was a very cerebral kind of fighter.
He approached it almost like a pacifist. What he was like,
how can I do inflict? How can I finish this
guy without inflicting a lot of damage. She's not exactly
like that, but she's super tough in the way that

(44:58):
he was. And I think that she He's very cerebral,
and she's actually very teachable even though she's in her
late thirties at this point. Like if you've watched her
from fight to fight, you just see this escalation of
what she's been able to do, and that's what makes
it fascinateing. I just think that both of them are
completely different athletes from where they were, you know, whenever
they fought, was it four or five years ago? They're

(45:18):
just in a completely different thing. Now You're like, Okay,
who's picked up more? Who wants it more? And it's
tough to go against gender open this one, Like it's
tough because she's looked so good to me.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Of the four losses that Dearn has had since their
first fight, Danger Roba has faced three of those fighters
and beaten them all like that. It's sort of if
does momentum matter or is darn ultimately gonna always be
feast or famine. So we have to bet and predict
this fight based upon whether we think this is a
feasting night, whether we think, you know, I feel like
she fights better when the odds are against her, right,

(45:50):
because every time it looks like she's about to make
it there, she has a stumble, and then she always
tends to bounce back in a big way. She's on
a two fight win streak. This fight isn't about bouncing back.
This fight is about finally living up to those expectations.
So does the question come down? I don't think as
much it's skill for skill. I think it's can durn
handle the big moment? That's what I'm looking at here.

Speaker 4 (46:10):
I mean I don't. Yeah, I'll tell you what. It's
rare that I listened to you and you're very persuasive.
You're actually very persuasive on that.

Speaker 2 (46:17):
I was not persuasive with women in my twenties.

Speaker 1 (46:19):
Yeah. Well, in this particular case, this is pretty persuasive.
I do think.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Your belief about why Jjur Robble lost the first fight
is because she just didn't quite understand what she could do.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
She said she lost complete confidence in her game when
she lost two times in three fights to Hebas and
to Dern.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah. Do you think she'd lose to Hebos today?

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't, No, no, no, Hebus has regressed.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
Yeah, And I think she's certainly surpassed it.

Speaker 7 (46:42):
You know.

Speaker 4 (46:42):
It's also interesting she said something she compared herself not
in terms of achievements, but in terms of inspiration. She
took something from Charles Lavera where she said, you know,
I thought champions had to be these undefeated you know,
like Saint Pierre was't undefeata, but you know, something like that.
To be a champion, it turns out you can make
mistakes right and then iron it out and be real great.
And so she kind of feels like she wants to
borrow from that tradition now to that point, Dern would

(47:05):
also kind of be of that mid the game is.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
This week that she she's comparing herself to a Lavera
right where he was up and down, up and down,
then came to.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
The got get all together.

Speaker 4 (47:14):
The difference with Dran is that she's still it's no
longer the case, but she's been living in the shadow
of Ronda Rousey expectations, yes, for so freaking long, and
now they've kind of dropped away. But you know, when
she was coming up, you see, Chuck, that was that
was that the the the comparisons were ever present at
that time.

Speaker 3 (47:31):
Yeah, and I mean even you think back to some
of the people who are in the same kind of
unfair treatment, which was like you know, the Rose Nami Unises,
there was other I felt like it was just an
impossible bar to go in there and do this. What
we're seeing though, is that you have to like earn
it over the course of time. And I mean there
was a there was a point, like you mentioned she
was she's been five and four since the and I

(47:53):
think over the last eight she's four and four, which
is not really the credentials.

Speaker 1 (47:57):
But there's rare that you can look at somebody and say, like, she's.

Speaker 3 (47:59):
Made really good progress and like improved in a four
and four run. But I think that you can because
she's been fighting very tough competition.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
But it's just.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Though, and I think that's a good thing because when
she would not have him suddenly and then I think,
didn't she have a boyfriend that was training her like
for a couple of fights in a row and now,
but like, wouldn't you say.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Parolas, anyway, you're good man, thank you for just kidding.

Speaker 2 (48:24):
Wouldn't you say, like that has brought out the best
in her? When she's listening to Perilo's striking game plan
and breaking it down.

Speaker 4 (48:30):
I tend to think that the advice he gives her
is good. I don't know exactly what kind of training
room that they have. I'm not saying it's a beat
or good. I'm simply I just have no way of knowing.
But I do feel like the kinds of things that
Perillo can impart are the kinds of things that Dern needs.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
You know, I think you, I think you really stated
it really well.

Speaker 4 (48:50):
Be see which is that like these these moments where
she puts it together, puts it together, It's like.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Okay, right, let's get it well, and then.

Speaker 2 (48:56):
It's just Angela Hill though. To be fair, and I
want to dude, I I want to see people fulfill
their potential. I've always wanted to see her get to
this level. I'm just saying this fight, I don't have
the confidence.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
I think that Mackenzie Dern has always carried something of
the novelty, right like she came from a very.

Speaker 1 (49:11):
She was very strong.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
Remember everybody's like, oh, it's a fake, she's not even American,
or remember she has she's not Brasilian.

Speaker 1 (49:16):
Remember this whole thing.

Speaker 4 (49:17):
PC is one of these people who believe that she's
been on a year's long campaign to have a muddled
and somewhat fake accent for purposes that make no sense
other than generating Internet mind.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
She smokes two pex editions, speaks exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
Do you know what father's nickname is, Mega Ton, which
is what they call Lucas.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
But I do think that she carries that novelty into
her time, like there's something about her general perception where
people still see her this way. I think this is
the moment if she's going to show up and ever
do away with that for this is the time, like
it would be the moment, right.

Speaker 2 (49:58):
But Chuck, you have spoused upon us one of the
greatest theories that proved true of all time that maybe
it wasn't Sonya's story all along drinking thing, maybe it
was Pooton.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, it maybe was.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
This was Vena Janderdobas who story. I'm trying to pronounce
it correctly. And you know she's gonna have one eye
on her opponent, one eye on the title.

Speaker 3 (50:28):
I mean, no, I don't know, Thanks guys.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
I joked that we're gonna get fired. I don't think
I'm joking today.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
What I'm really trying to say, is this is Janderobah's moment.
I think that she is going to be the perfect
the perfect kryptonite for whatever Durren tries to do. We
go five rounds, You've got a new champion. Whether you're
ready for it or not, you got a new champion.
And she would have earned it without going through Waylee,
but she would have earned.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Who's the better story to win this? You have somebody
who's perseveringly d her age?

Speaker 1 (51:00):
Is it Dern?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
No, it's it's well, I mean better.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
When you say better, what does that mean? Meaning? Like,
you know, Jean de Roba is more of a woodwork figure.

Speaker 3 (51:07):
I don't think that people really saw her coming up
until the moment she's got there right like thirty seven
years old. We've talked about the thirty five year old
threshold a million times. So like she gets into this position,
her breaking through at this point. Is that a better
story than Mackenzie Dern, who we've all had her eyes
on the whole time, and you're like, wow, look she
finally grew up in front of our eyes and she
won a title.

Speaker 1 (51:28):
Depends what you want.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
If you wanted the golden child who who finally became great,
then you you would The answer is Dern. But you
know the kid who had some sort of physical limitation
that BC mocked ruthlessly, ruthlessly just now I'm.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
Talking about her passion and focus on this.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
Yeah, I'm sure, I'm sure you were in any case,
But who defied bullying and you know, to a degree
of poverty to overcome all that? I mean, they're they're
they're they're interesting stories for very different reasons, you know.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yeah, I wonder if if the winner is going to
give Tatiana Suarez an opportunity to tell another interest story
of coming back, you know what I mean? Because this
division feels that wide open without without Wayley Jong. But
does Jean come back if she loses to Valentine? I
don't know about that.

Speaker 1 (52:09):
Right Hmmm, what do you think? I don't know.

Speaker 4 (52:13):
That's a that's a tough thing. That's a great question.
We all have to see you during the media cycles.
That's that's because I would pick her to beat anyone
in that division right now.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
I don't know what she wants though, you know, all right, I.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
Got Genderoba by decision. How are you going?

Speaker 4 (52:26):
I have to tell you, BC, you have been very
convincing on this one. I will listen to you. I
think that, uh, I think your points are pretty good,
and I'll ride.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
The same same position. I think it's jihon de Roba.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I just think it's just I just think that, like
for what we talked about, like she has shown that
she's ready for this moment.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
You know, someone ride the train. Yeah, Osborne cho cho,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Just take some time.

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interesting fights on this main card will go to the
bandamweight division. Umar and Namaga Medoff lost despite being the
betting favorite his title fight against Morob Devalishvilli in January
at UFC three eleven. But as he told me this week,
he said, look, I didn't gass out against Morob. I
broke my left hand, and he said, there's science behind this.
It sends adrenaline to that part of your body. It

(53:53):
pulls from your gas tank. He says, look, I think
I won that fight, but that wasn't the best of me.
Even if he gets past the streaking Mario Bautista, who's
riding an eight fight win streak on Saturday, that he
will get that second chance at the winner of Morob
versus Piotran in December. The odds makers overwhelmingly agree with
that long island. Luke, can you read this for us
right now please?

Speaker 6 (54:15):
It's minus six twenty five Umar plus four.

Speaker 2 (54:20):
So I thought I was going to be talking more
about it. But first and foremost, why the disrespect this
grand to Mario Batista.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
I mean, look, here's the thing. I'm not gonna sit
here in front and say I'm picking Bautista to win.
I'm picking Umar to win.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Probably all of us are.

Speaker 4 (54:34):
I thought Umar was given well, I mean, didn't you
feel like for most most, for long stretches of the fight,
particularly early, I thought Umar was given morob real problem.

Speaker 2 (54:43):
He's the only one that can beat him in this division.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
That's what I feel like. That's what I feel like,
So I'm not about to sit her pick Bautista. However,
Bautista is a I've been saying this for a while.
He's a very good fire. He is hard to look
good against. That is one of the problems, and sometimes
we see he's got one of these labor intients, some
styles that that is good for winning rounds, but doesn't
tend to move the fight as further along as you want,

(55:05):
so he doesn't necessarily win himself. Some fans, the Jose
Aldo fight looks good on the resume, but then it
tarnished his reputation because of how he.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Was going to say. He may have broke PATCHI Mix.
I mean, he did a number on PATCHI Mix's. Well, dude,
the god can fight.

Speaker 4 (55:19):
He is very well schooled, he has tons of energy,
he's well rounded, but he's limited relative to Umar.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
In my estimation.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
So I sort of get the odds in the sense
that it's like no one actually thinks Bautista can win,
but the odds don't reflect I think how good Bautista
is at least making Umar work for it. Who I
suspect this fight will go the distance too, by the way,
so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Well, it's interesting. Umar did tell me that he doesn't
plan to go for it in this fight. He doesn't
plan to put himself in a bad spot. He fans
plans to focus on grappling and submission, submission to get
him out of there. That's interesting. Do you think we
how big do you think the advantage on the ground
for Umar would be? How good is Bautista?

Speaker 3 (56:00):
Because Umar doesn't see I remember him saying like he
hasn't seen Batista try a single takedown, like he was
he was going on about this, So I think he
looks at it like this guy doesn't want any part
of the ground, and obviously this is where an omaga
madoff will shine. So I think he looks at it
like if he's going to have a chance, it's probably
going to be in the standing realm, and Umar.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Is just probably not going to play that game.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
So I find it interesting that the line is that
big if you really look at Umar's resume, like.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
He you know, he only had a few fights in
the UFC.

Speaker 3 (56:32):
The biggest fight he had was the ABC card out
in Abu Dhabi where he fought Corey Sandhagen, and obviously
he did work against kry Sanhagen. But before then, you know,
this is probably the best opponent's face outside of Marab, right,
Like this is outside of Morob and Sanahagen.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
This is the guy station.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yeah, So in a weird way, I'm like, you know,
there's still a little bit of a trial here era,
you know, like where you're like, and I agree with
everything you're saying.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
We saw him against Marob. I thought he held his own.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
It's a very close fight, like he's the one guy
who throws doubt I think into like, if you're going
to have a rematch, that would be the one to have.
But there's a little bit of like a you know,
I haven't seen enough of Umar in the division, and
I've seen a lot of Batista and I know what
he does well, So I feel like that line is
just kind of skewed.

Speaker 4 (57:14):
I'll also say this, I mean you know, usually if
you have someone who's like a plus or excuse me,
a minus six hundred favorite, you're like, well, dude, if
him beating his opponent means nothing, sorry, a beating Mario
Bautista's a quality win.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
If Umar stops.

Speaker 4 (57:27):
Him, this guy's on an eight fight win streak, get
one hundred and thirty five pounds with some very good
names on there.

Speaker 1 (57:33):
If you stop Baltista, that's a very quality win.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
I mean again, I'm not expecting that. I do think
it will go the distance. I'm just sort of pointing
out the odds. They sort of make sense, but they
sort of don't.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
Look, I love this is not an anti Mora brant.
A healthy Umar, I think is the only person that
beats him, and I think he does beat him. We
got to see it. He's got to win this fight.
Firstro's gonna have to get by PODi Ya, which is
your guy.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
You've given up on him, Uh, but I love you do.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
I don't know if he can do this in a rematch,
although he's going to be full of healthy apparently, but
one time, I mean Long Island. Look, I'm not crazy.
Umar might be one of the ten best fighters in
the world right now.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
Yeah, as I think Luke said earlier, like Umar is
the second best guy in this division for sure.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
I just I got to disagree with you. Morob takes
the rematch.

Speaker 1 (58:16):
Let's go, oh wow, that's one.

Speaker 2 (58:18):
But that's a long island.

Speaker 3 (58:20):
When I talked to you talked to him this week,
he basically was like he talked to Umar too, and
he was like he leans and he's like the secret
to beat him, Rob, you got to take him down,
you know, Like he just like it's he's been thinking
about this. The piece I wrote, I was like, you know,
he is center in his being right now, Like he
that's you know, his focus, his focus is on but
his whole mind is on getting that fight back.

Speaker 1 (58:43):
So I feel how humble he is.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
Then when you talk to his brother Uswan and the PFL,
he's just like cocky and everything.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
But maybe Umar one time is.

Speaker 2 (58:50):
Going to be the best of them all in this family.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
You never know. One time, walking in it was think
it was the New York, New York. Remember this, We're
going to ride the road life where so well that
just a given when you stay there.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
We were walking through the casino, the casino and you
ran into memory, Chuck, it's.

Speaker 2 (59:06):
Peter do something.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
Was looking at him like who the.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
And we made him take a picture with Brandon Wise
Sports and was just like.

Speaker 4 (59:17):
This guy visited DC one time and tried his like hey, everybody,
how what's the deal with that?

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Bombed? He bombed ritualistically and then he's like, God, they
don't like humor in DC.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
They are the service workers in DC are not friendly.
Not I'm not so sure about that. Does explain Luke
Thomas to a certain degree.

Speaker 1 (59:35):
That I've never been to Valdosta, Connecticut.

Speaker 3 (59:37):
It works, baby, that's like people are nice and yeah
they are over there in Connecticut.

Speaker 1 (59:42):
Yeah, they got nothing else well educated.

Speaker 2 (59:44):
They paid prices. Yeah you know, there you go.

Speaker 1 (59:47):
How much is gas in Connecticut?

Speaker 2 (59:49):
I actually paid two sixty nine the other day and
it was like a world record. I can't believe I
got it for that.

Speaker 1 (59:54):
It's five dollars a gallon in DC.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
Typically three and a half to four in Connecticut right
now is a low period.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
Though, trust and Naugatuck it might be, but not, I
don't anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:00:04):
Find the guys using one actually there.

Speaker 2 (01:00:09):
I cannot fight against these these uh these these statements here.
So we're all taking Umar here we are.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
Yeah, yeah again.

Speaker 4 (01:00:15):
I respect abouti Stan Ways, and I know the fans
kind of disrespect him, But I think he's a very.

Speaker 3 (01:00:21):
Good I mean, over the course of a full fight,
he'll he'll find the way to wear him down, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:24):
So I feel like that's the pig, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
Alexander Volkoff had brought a four fight redemptive wind streak
into that December matchup against Cyril Gone. Gone broke his
foot in the first round. We all thought Volkoff had one.
Dana White thought Volcoff won and said he'd take.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
Care of him.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
What that means is a matchup against Johnson Almeda that
could be basically a number one contender fight for the
next title shot. Even though Alexander Volkoff is the betting
underdog here against an Almeida, who is seven and one
in the UFC. He did followup what was that one
lost from Mayda fell apart? He got stopped, remember that,
thank you? But really, outside of that he has looked great.

(01:00:58):
What are the updated odds.

Speaker 5 (01:00:59):
Long Island plus one sixty four Volkov minus one ninety eight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
Now, look, Volkov's kryptonite has been the ground game, but
yet like Curtis Blades took him down at will in
their first fight and then gas himself out doing that.
There's something about Volkov where you feel like thirty six
years old that means he's in the midst of his
heavyweight prime. Inevitably, he's going to get to a title shot.
He does have those skills. Whether he wins that or
not depends on the opponent. There's still some slowness to

(01:01:25):
his game. There's still problems in his game. He's got
the long hair right now, which just trying to tell
me something here. I still feel like Volkov can get
this done, even as an underdog. But Luke Almeida's takedown
game is pretty serious. Can he counteract that?

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
This fight actually kind of rules because Volkov should be
in the title of picture.

Speaker 1 (01:01:44):
But he's not.

Speaker 4 (01:01:45):
And we all know we've been over this point. You know,
I watched some table on Almeida in preparation for today's show.
I forgot during that Spivak fight he was kind of lighting.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Him up on the feet.

Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
Now that did have long stretches on the ground, both
where he was dealing and then being dealt.

Speaker 2 (01:01:59):
He doesn't commit to a striking enough.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
I think that might be right.

Speaker 4 (01:02:02):
I think there's an argument to be made that there's
a little bit more he could be doing, except you know,
Spivak also wanted to engage in the ground, so that
kind of complicated it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
But he looked a little more fluid.

Speaker 4 (01:02:11):
The problem is, though you have to imagine, you know,
Almeida's path to winning rounds and dare I say the
fight itself probably does not lead through striking, right, He's
gonna have a hard time closing that distance. Bullkov is slow,
He's he's talented, but slow, you know, al Mata and
he uses it like he does, know what I mean,
Like if you're going to play this game, tough game

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to play.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
And he's not a lamb on the ground outside of
that quick submission lost ask but all he's pretty strong
on the ground.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yes he is.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
If there's anything he's rapidly improved, uh insteadily maybe he's
a better way to put it, but certainly it's a
ground game, as you indicated. Absolutely, remember Gon was trying
some stuff underneath him and tried to that ankle lock
and couldn't get shit going. That's not for nothing that
there's something to be said for that. But BC, you
just have to realistically imagine if your almeta, what is

(01:02:57):
your path to victory? It has to be some kind
of back exposure or top control. It has to be.
And so the question is, like, we got like Volkov BC,
who is sturdy with some of this stuff and certainly
much you would imagine he's going to be very aware
of the threat. Can he do what Blades did, which
is you get taken down, taken down, you get messed up,
taken down, but you kind of just waited out until

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he doesn't really have the same kind of zip and pop,
and then you put it on him and then he
just completely falls to shit. It's a it's a workable blueprint.
I think when we.

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
Talked about the argument earlier of whether the heavyweight championship
will get devalued again if John Jones comes back against Poton,
does the fact that Volkov has lost twice to Gone
and once dominantly to aspinall play into the idea that
he could get passed over for this or not?

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
I mean, do we believed that Dana is like put
it in his back pocket, is like I owe you
one man because you got robbed and that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
Do we believe this?

Speaker 3 (01:03:48):
Because then you're like one not right, So yeah, yeah,
But I mean this is we started this off. We
went through the scenarios as to who who, what this
means for the heavweight division of Espinall wins.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
All this stuff we'd never even mentioned. Really.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
We did mention Jelton Almeida as being a fresh blood
because he's the only guy who hasn't lost already to Aspinall.
But the guy that we're not actually mentioning is Volkov.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:04:10):
If he's able to do the work and he goes
in there and does it, it'd be very tough for
the UFC to kind of push him aside as well.
But at the same time, that is not going to
be the sexiest matchup, Like that's it's just the way
it is in Jailton Almeida too. I was going to
ask you, guys, like, have we ever seen a guy
in his position? Maybe we have that in the heavyweight
division who's in that kind of position where he's kind

(01:04:32):
of flirting with the title one fight away, perhaps with
less kind of like name brand, because I mean, honestly
like his I feel like if you mention his name
to somebody who's kind of a.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
Casual, Yeah, fan.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
They do not even know him.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
You know, dude, I remember when when Volkov got bodied
in Bellator by Vitaliti Minikov, which was Minikov was like
the guy a long ast time ago, and now where
is he? Like, look at the difference. It's kind of insane.
He's to anyone who's been paying attention to m A
for ten or years or so, he's been around doing
pretty relevant stuff, but he's never gone like, oh shit, wow, amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
He's lost the fight before the title fight, like multiple
multiple times, one against Derek Lewis that he would have
gotten a time shot out.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Remember, the thing is all the way, he's winning the
whole time.

Speaker 4 (01:05:16):
The thing is, though he keeps hammering, he keeps signing
up for a chance at another crack at it, and
you gotta wonder, like what point, maybe he won't break
through all the way, but he will break through to
a UFC title fight. You know people who are persevering
if you just keep asking.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
I think he gets out of this. I think he
gets himself to the title level with a win here.
It's not going to be easy, tough fight, but if
Almeida tries to strike for strike with him, I think
it could be a problem here with that long jab,
I think he's gonna have.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
I agree with that, but that push kick, that would
he used the push kick on a guy wants to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:48):
Take him down to be shocked. I'd be shocked if
Al made it like played that game for long, you know?

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Yeah, I think I made him might like in transition
for certain periods. But dude, again, if you're on do
you think you're gonna win a striking battle with this guy?

Speaker 1 (01:06:02):
You're gonna get? Shoot?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
You might because you just stop speed vacuum might long Island,
Luke Benning Wise, you're taking the plus money on Volkov?

Speaker 5 (01:06:08):
Hell yeah, I got him at plus two hundred too.
I think I like the odds on that a lot more.
He's plus one sixty four. Now, don't love it as much,
but uh yeah, if you can get him at a
like plus one seventy five or higher, I think it's
worth updates.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
Oh I'm feeling these yes yes about It's almost time
for a third Quervo shot here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:26):
Oh, let's talk about the opener of the main card.
Alexander Rackage trusted contender. You love this fight yet riding
a three fight losing skido against the league competition, but
it's still thirty two right in the you know, we
still haven't seen the best of him, as what I'm
trying to say, but he's facing an Osamotmersa Kanoff who
is fifteen and oh such a thinkless way, but yet

(01:06:46):
it hasn't maybe fought the highest level yet. So long Island. Look,
let's space with the oddst.

Speaker 6 (01:06:54):
You want the odd? Yeah, yeah, dude, minus one ten.
It's to pick him right now.

Speaker 2 (01:06:58):
Okay, So so they are looking at this. How good
to start off, Chuck is Murza Khanoff. How impressed are
you by his performance?

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
I'm been very impressed.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
I mean he's undefeated right like fifteen to zero, and
the so far in the UFC, he's looked very good.
I think most of his fights have been finishes.

Speaker 1 (01:07:14):
Good gentlemen right here.

Speaker 3 (01:07:15):
Yeah, but I do feel like that this is the
guy that you got to. This is the litmus test,
right Like you get a guy like Racka who came
gun blazing out of the gate. I think he won
like five or six of his first like seven fights,
and he was just on a roll. And remember the
Jimmy Manuel when he was smoking those guys deadcare Yeah,
Devin Clark. I remember he was knocking these guys out

(01:07:35):
and there was a moment I was like, this guy's
just a matter of time until he's fighting for a title.
And obviously he's fought some really tough dudes and he
overcame some injuries and some time off. He's kind of
in that weird situation talking about rackage where it's like
you're on a three fight skid. Either you're winning and
you put yourself back into that spot, or you could
be possibly on the ice floor.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
You know, it's like it's way too good.

Speaker 2 (01:07:58):
To lose four in a row, and it's a weird situation,
way too good.

Speaker 1 (01:08:03):
So is it just coming into his prime really too
injuries and facing better Competitionately he changed teams.

Speaker 4 (01:08:09):
I think that was part of it. He was training
out of Vienna, Austria for a long time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
Go ahead to your shot.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
Yeah, I was gonna you know, I was gonna throw
this shot to Brian Caraway. It gets a bad rap
for the ATV incident, but there are two sides to
every store.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
You never know, all right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
I mean I'm not gonna say I hope you die, but.

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
You still dating Mishia Tate I don't even know. Is
that what your dungarees look like after you're done? Pain,
that's it, We're done. Don't you go dying on me.

Speaker 2 (01:08:43):
Luke.

Speaker 3 (01:08:43):
This is the part when we used to do it
up on the rooftop with the and you never got
your fire, where we take a walk down to the
other side.

Speaker 2 (01:08:48):
I love that until we had a good run right there,
Luke rackets though we know he's too good to be
I guess in this spot.

Speaker 4 (01:08:55):
No, no, this is I feel like this is real
good matchmaking. It is to be honest with you, Rackage
to your point. I mean, go back to USC three hundred.
He was dealing on Yerie Pradka early in that fight,
to the point where I was watching with my friend Othello,
and Othello.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
Was like, oh, you know, he's beating the shit out
of this guy. He's gonna win, and I was like,
just wait, just wait.

Speaker 4 (01:09:18):
But you can understand someone watching that who didn't know
the broader context being like, dude, this the guy who's
doing the dealing is really good, as you mentioned the
Manawa one. And by the way, when he needed to
wrestle fights to win rounds, he could do.

Speaker 1 (01:09:29):
That as well. Yes, but he's definitely hit his ceiling
and he's definitely had some issues.

Speaker 4 (01:09:33):
I think with defense. That's been a big part of
his problem. And Murza Khanov, man, here's the thing. He
was supposed to fight Johnny Walker in his last contest
and that he got injured, not Murza Khanov, but Walker,
so they threw in like a last minute subhibero, who
he just demolished inside of a round. Right, Murza Khanov
is not the sort of hulking physical athlete that rackages.

(01:09:54):
But if go watch the way he moves, fluid, quick,
fast footwork, fast hands, combination south Paul by the way,
He's got so many things that for a guy who
is a probably a better overall athlete and certainly beaten
better guys in rackage.

Speaker 1 (01:10:10):
But BC he's been off.

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
He's had a bad one year, bad knee injuries previously,
he's changing teams the year. There's a lot of questions
about where rackage is, and Murza Khanov is like chomping
at the big somebody like this, Right he is.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
And when I said rackets was too good for this moment,
I didn't mean the opponent. I meant being on a
three fight losing skid. But if you look at this,
really lost four of six overall, and the wins were
against an aging Anthony Smith and the Thiago Santos who
left the promotion right after. So he looked and the
Belhovish loss was a knee injury as well.

Speaker 6 (01:10:44):
So that Ozdemir loss too was like a very controversial decision.

Speaker 1 (01:10:47):
Yes, so against un Calia. Granted on Caly's good.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
That was an aggressive big on in that fight, Yes,
it was.

Speaker 4 (01:10:53):
And I just felt like he had a good answer
for the kinds of things that Rackage does.

Speaker 1 (01:10:59):
Is Kanov that same kind of that.

Speaker 4 (01:11:02):
I'd already know, But again, dude, he's got a certain
kind of fa I mean, I'm not comparing him to Fatal,
but Fader had a certain kind of flow and effortless
flow and fluidity to his movement, and again rze Khanov
is not that, but he's got a relative to Rackage
a little bit more.

Speaker 3 (01:11:17):
You think it delivers in that spot because obviously the
US puts it on like the it's the kickoff right
of the US of the pay per view. Yes, usually
they want like something that's going to deliver. You feel
like that's the right choice for like.

Speaker 4 (01:11:28):
We'll see, here's the thing. If your Rackage, you might
be looking for the takedown. He's done it in previous
fights where he needed to win rounds and or fights
where Zi Khanov's biggest threat is not on the ground.
It is absolutely on the feet, particularly at boxing, but
kickboxing range too. He absolutely has knockout power. And again,
even if it's not one punch, the fact that he
throws in combination bop bop, that's when the problems begin

(01:11:51):
to emerge.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
It's the one two, the one two three.

Speaker 4 (01:11:53):
If you're if you're Rackage, I suspect he's gonna be
hunting the takedown and top control.

Speaker 1 (01:11:58):
So to your point, is that delivered on the main event?
Mr Za Khanov is going to have to make it
a good point.

Speaker 3 (01:12:02):
It's beare because Rackage might just need to get the win, right,
Like the bottom line is he just needs to win.

Speaker 1 (01:12:07):
If your rackets do, losing is absolutely not a option.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Mr Za Khanoff knocked out Andrea MW Knees in Russia
on the regional level. Did not know that in.

Speaker 1 (01:12:15):
These little little bit of count Donkulo as well.

Speaker 2 (01:12:18):
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look at how this card is going to break down,
So let's go takedowns. When we look back at this
main card, Umar and Namaga metof against Mario Bautista three

(01:13:01):
and a half takedowns over three rounds, more or less.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
I think more.

Speaker 3 (01:13:06):
I think more, But it also that that's a weird
one because it depends on I can Batista just get
up from whatever the first takedown is right, like or
like if there's just one and the more has.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
Good top control but not unstoppable.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
Three total in the and a half three and a
half total in the fight is the is the.

Speaker 1 (01:13:26):
More in a three round fight, so I would take over.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
I would go over as well. But what about Johnson
Almeida one and a half one and a half takedown?

Speaker 1 (01:13:34):
Now it's a three round fight. If it was a
five round different ball.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
Game, I'm going more for days.

Speaker 1 (01:13:40):
Yeah, I'd take the It doesn't mean he holds them down.

Speaker 2 (01:13:42):
It doesn't mean, you.

Speaker 1 (01:13:42):
Know, just taking it.

Speaker 4 (01:13:44):
Yeah, and by the way, never forget I mean, Volkov
is a little hard to do this on. But they
count matt returns as takedowns in MMA, so it's a
little bit I do. Just get behind, pick them up
and return them to the mat, and they count that
as a takedown point, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:13:58):
So we're talking about total signalsicant strikes? Is the five
round title byte title bout? McKenzie durned sixty one and
a half? Well, you put bite in that significant strike
or less fifteen sixty one and a half over five rounds?
How many sixty one and a half significant strikes?

Speaker 1 (01:14:15):
I want to take the less on that, you know what?
Hold on, let me see that you said sixty one
and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Sixty five and a half is the more or less twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Five and a half?

Speaker 6 (01:14:22):
Okay, let's see, since she got close to twenty in
each round of the first fight, so I feel like
you gotta take the okay.

Speaker 2 (01:14:27):
But Janderu Robo said at forty four and a half,
So they really, they really believe that this will be okay.

Speaker 4 (01:14:32):
So Durn averages three point three strikes landed per minute,
So for fifteen minutes, that'd be what forty five plus
some change? They are a lot though, it's a lot.
And there, I say, what's the over under sixty one
and a half? That would be over the average for her. Yeah,
I'll take the under on that.

Speaker 6 (01:14:50):
I'll take the over on Jender three rounds, I would
take that last five.

Speaker 3 (01:14:53):
I'm thinking, what you are a forty four and a
half for an robe, But I'm taking the over there?

Speaker 1 (01:14:57):
How silly of me? Okay, then I might take the
o over.

Speaker 4 (01:15:00):
Yeah, all right, your boy Raibunschki, you know, mateos forty
six and a half?

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Significant roh, That motherfucker over for days? He's like cam,
who's that? Who's that? Who's the running back for the giants?
Camp Scataboos?

Speaker 4 (01:15:13):
I mean, my man, I hope he's got a good
neurologist when his career is over because the way he
fights is just his way.

Speaker 3 (01:15:18):
He copeats, so we have to check back when his
career is over in twenty twenty seven.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
We'll see what's going on.

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look at the rest of the card below the main
card prelim early prelims. There's a buffet of decent to

(01:16:03):
interesting options here. As of right now, it looks like
the featured prelim will be lightweight Nasrat Hack Press against
Quillian sock Keel.

Speaker 1 (01:16:13):
What am I doing?

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
What am I saying?

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
Those real?

Speaker 6 (01:16:18):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:16:20):
You got to speak, Auzzy.

Speaker 2 (01:16:21):
If you chuck when you look at the undercard, you
can go in any direction you want. Where are what
are you looking at?

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
I don't know. I don't have that in front of me,
and I can't see that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:28):
The big ones are gonna be aram Alaecaoff ticket on
Park Junior. That's for Ale Turtle, Aliscao al scale off
much Alice scare excuse me, much more skilled. But that
one could be fun for as long as it lasts.
As we've already indicated Klein and Rob that that should deliver.
I mean, Ron Bechi is gonna make Clein work for it,
you know that, super well. Walter Walker taking on Louis

(01:16:50):
Sutherland again. This has got heavyweight fun as long as it's.

Speaker 3 (01:16:54):
Early, because if it goes past a round and a
half at flyweight, Ozot Maxim ticket on Mitchropoe so is
a is a I've been very impressed by Maxim.

Speaker 2 (01:17:03):
How about Chris Barnett coming back at have you?

Speaker 1 (01:17:04):
We let's go?

Speaker 4 (01:17:05):
I mean, I mean I know that, I know that,
I know the I know the streets are very very
streets are.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
I don't care about that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:12):
You were telling me you were a huge ham d
Abdelah hobb fan.

Speaker 3 (01:17:15):
I've been a fan for a while, you know, I
got a post over my room. But like, this is
a tough fight for him.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
So who's fighting deep?

Speaker 2 (01:17:23):
Chris Barnett, Chris Bartnett.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Oh that's the Barnet.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
What is Barnett's nickname? Bear?

Speaker 1 (01:17:29):
Yeah, that's right. Oh beast boy? Did I used to
watch him on HD net back in the day.

Speaker 2 (01:17:36):
Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. If you guys had
to guess who steals the headlines? Sorry for touching your
half drinking glass? Who ultimately who wins UFC three twenty one,
who steals the headlines? Who is the biggest the referees.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
For doing a bad job?

Speaker 3 (01:17:49):
Man, that's a little hanging waiting.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
Do you think we get David or Dana White after?
Is this really what we're doing to try to pick up?

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I think Dana has been in Saudi Arabia there.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Stay there for that. But no, really is this this
is Tom Aspinall's Night, isn't it?

Speaker 3 (01:18:04):
Ultimately it's set up to be I think I said
it's set up to be that if you take him
out of the equation, because I mean that's obviously the
big return and all this, what do you got there?
Like after after you, after asthma. If you just take
that fight of the equation, who's the well.

Speaker 4 (01:18:19):
Vina is going to have a moment for Yeah, the
question I think also Umar if he really has a
strong performance and then plays it up like Morob, I'm
coming for you, that could need I think a lot
of because people want to see Morob tested, whether it's vocal,
and that has.

Speaker 3 (01:18:34):
Grown so much even from the first fight, because the
fanfare of that was kind of mild. It was at
the beginning of this year, and this guy has been
on the sideline.

Speaker 1 (01:18:42):
That whole time.

Speaker 3 (01:18:43):
While Morob is now breaking records for title defenses in
that same catch up.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
With them eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
His when you when guys go on these stretches of
a lot of fights in short periods of time, sometimes
they max out their durability, They max out a few
things in that moment. You know what I'm saying. I
hope that doesn't catch up with Morob. He seems what
are we seeing now? He's smarting five to ten rounds
the day of fights rounds.

Speaker 4 (01:19:04):
I'm being serious when I say this Rob is in
terms of durability and cardio. Rob is unlike any fighter
I've ever covered, even Poloton Finally, who was the standard
back in the day, Nick or Nate Dia or something
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:20):
You know, there's nothing that compares to what he's doing
right now. I was thinking about this because I did
to call him right afterwards, and You're like, I really
don't know the equivalent to what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:28):
There is none. I've never seen a guy like this.

Speaker 2 (01:19:30):
Nothing compares Chuck to to.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
You, Yeah, you can eat dinner in a fancy restaurant.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Yeah, wow, you know a lovely timber Yeah you know, yeah,
you know if Luke has been very happy lately, I'm
really enjoying that slipt like maybe it's the tequilae, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
Actually, you know what that tequila is. Money is money, man, that.

Speaker 2 (01:19:52):
Is Will you be like live streaming your life this Saturday?

Speaker 5 (01:19:55):
Hell yeah, dude, I'll be live for the full card. Also,
prop Quid is dropping Friday Mike at m K time
since we have no MK.

Speaker 1 (01:20:01):
Yeah it was on this week.

Speaker 6 (01:20:04):
I don't like giving away this. Okay, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:20:09):
Card without saying what the main event is.

Speaker 2 (01:20:12):
That's a fair point.

Speaker 6 (01:20:13):
Uh, this isn't a fight card. This is proper quiz.

Speaker 5 (01:20:15):
Okay, I'm using and they're trying to I like to
chease it on the Friday, and truth be told, I
haven't recorded it yet.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
I don't want to. That's a better explanation. That is okay, Chuck,
how do you feel about this setup?

Speaker 1 (01:20:27):
Paranoia? Right there? You You truly are a Colorado and
White dad. I mean, look at this motherfuckers? You like
that ship?

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
Those are trial You're still rocking with some of these
you got.

Speaker 1 (01:20:42):
No it broke. I had to switch.

Speaker 4 (01:20:44):
Now I got, I got magnetized, and I've got like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:47):
A there's a there's a bring back your you got.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
This is better than the Kate Spade one. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
Yeah, it is better than.

Speaker 3 (01:20:56):
That Jimmy different even some c run speckled route. We've
got all the trout on there. Man, I don't care.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
You know the blanco was flowing today.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
I am absolutely it's good. I'm taking the train home.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
Yes, acting responsibly, Virginia, I need to act response wait
to Yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
Dated a girl who loved that was that band training meet? Virginia.

Speaker 4 (01:21:23):
I'm like, why don't you get the funk out of
the car?

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
Chuck, can you tell us a few things about your life.
First and foremost, when was the last time you actively
lit a bong?

Speaker 1 (01:21:33):
Actively? Oh? God, it's been a little while, it has it.
It's been a little while.

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
I don't know, probably post Columbine. Dude, what the usually
as a marker in time? I'm not can't you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:50):
Just say what?

Speaker 3 (01:21:54):
It would be a post stressful time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:57):
I'll give you that. Yeah, it's been a lot from home, dude.
We did Monday's MK and you know he does. Have
you seen this ship? Yes? And every I was like,
who made this? Andrew Tate like the list it was, dude,
I'm not kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
The first fifteen me to like sep it up?

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
So I thought I took the.

Speaker 4 (01:22:14):
First fifteen videos were guys farting in their spouses faces.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
Yeah, but then that chick farther than a slice of
pizza and that kind of.

Speaker 1 (01:22:24):
It did happen?

Speaker 2 (01:22:26):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
Chuck seen any point tonight?

Speaker 2 (01:22:29):
Chuck seen any good concerts lately?

Speaker 1 (01:22:30):
Concerts? Uh? Not too many, but I did. I saw
you know who hound Mouth is?

Speaker 5 (01:22:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:22:36):
Man? Why the funk would we know that? What about
Dying Well Dying Feetus? Like if you you know that band? Right?
I do know because yeah, I played. I didn't see
them last time, so yeah, seconds.

Speaker 4 (01:22:47):
I bought concert tickets this week to see Cattle Decapitation.

Speaker 1 (01:22:51):
God.

Speaker 4 (01:22:52):
Wait, now, where do they stack up against? The Cattle
is one of my favorite bands. They're awesome called the
Cattle Chuck. Well, what's crazy is they probably know him
and they want them back. Say, Captation better than goat War,
a better band.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Who have you seen at Red Rocks?

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Oh that's a good question. Uh. Stone Tiple Pilots ship
are you yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:23:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yeah, nine Deaths. The last time there was nineties.

Speaker 2 (01:23:16):
I'm the damn core tour.

Speaker 3 (01:23:18):
Yeah, I've seen some. I've only been there a handful
of times. It was the other one. It was Stone
Tiple Pilots.

Speaker 4 (01:23:27):
I saw Stone I saw in two thousand at the
ag Festival, Stone Tuple Pilots and Rage against the Machine.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
That's not bad at all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
The opener was a Cypress Hill and Deaftones. Okay, that's good,
that's a great one.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
Who else did you see their chuck? You're you're having problems?

Speaker 1 (01:23:39):
Yeah, I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (01:23:40):
Well, I mean I used to write about music back
in the day, so I saw so many bands.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
That they start to run together.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
It's almost like we were talking about podcast praying earlier,
Like they start to all run together moment.

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
Give me a memorable night out at the concert, Give
me a venue and band where you're just like that was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
The I saw.

Speaker 3 (01:23:57):
I mean, I've seen some really good ones. I saw,
like the Cult ones. I'm at the Viper Room when
there was probably fifty people in this room. She seeks sanctuary.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
Is that the Cult? Yes? Yes, Dana was there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:08):
No, he wasn't there, but that's his band I've seen
When I lived in Los Angeles, you get invited to
these kind of more exclusive, uh you know, small room,
big band type shows. I mean, and those were always fun.

Speaker 1 (01:24:20):
Man.

Speaker 2 (01:24:21):
You ever hit an eyes wide chub party afterwards pantsless?

Speaker 1 (01:24:26):
I mean I wore pants, but for a while, didn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Turn into a scientology recruitment.

Speaker 1 (01:24:32):
This guy, man, this guy was trying to purge my
body feet.

Speaker 4 (01:24:34):
I went to the Sphere with him and saw the
They're essentially the remnants of the Grateful.

Speaker 2 (01:24:39):
Dead a few songs.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Yeah, Well, I gotta say that's pretty damn cool experience.
I saw you.

Speaker 3 (01:24:44):
I'm not a big You Two fan, but I did
see you too. During their stint there it's a it's
an experience to go.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
I saw you to it at MSG. They were I
like you to like anybody else. I mean they're they're
they're yes, But dude, I gotta say, if you haven't
seen you, if you haven't seen a show at the Sphere,
it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:25:02):
It's I mean, I know everyone's like down on it.

Speaker 2 (01:25:04):
Because of the I don't know if Backstreet Boys is
great there, but I would. But they've been doing they've
been doing some bands earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:25:10):
Can you imagine Metallica there or Tool.

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
There or something like that would be so good. Studio
Head there would change my life.

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
I'm not going to see fucking radio you would.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
If somebody, do you have a favorite Radiohead album? Or
are we just too deep in the in the in
the weeds right now?

Speaker 3 (01:25:27):
It would be the Pablo Honey one, right, like the
first one? Yeah, because I mean you don't I don't
like all their Like.

Speaker 1 (01:25:32):
What's the one from what Carmel Police is on? That
one's good? Okay, computer is really good? Okay, computer? Those
would be the ones though I don't really like some
of the stuff or not really not too much. No,
what's the next concert you're.

Speaker 2 (01:25:44):
Going to unscheduled at the moment.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Oh yeah, okay, cattle, thecalensation, that's it. They're coming through.

Speaker 4 (01:25:50):
They're going to Baltimore, So I have to go see
them in Baltimore or Philly.

Speaker 3 (01:25:53):
I haven't you know, like how you'll go to Baltimore
for like the cattle come to d C. That's what
I was gonna say, though, But like I've heard you
say some bad things about Ultimore in the day, Like
that's Ultimore.

Speaker 1 (01:26:03):
It's got nice places to eat, but it's like the
backside of my balls.

Speaker 2 (01:26:06):
You've been if you will, Chuck, will you that you've
been a part of the show for six plus years?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Is that right?

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
The entire existence of this show, you've been.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
I was watching your intro and you know, I saw
you wearing the wig you know on the Judge and.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
The Judge and what do you call the pubic wig? Yes,
wearing the American Great Moment and Don and Don document I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:27):
Forgot about this, Chuck.

Speaker 2 (01:26:29):
Are you surprised that this tower is still standing?

Speaker 3 (01:26:33):
No, come on, I'm surprised it's not flourishing a little more.
I mean, you guys have like now plateaued it somehow.
Now I'm kidding it, but uh I always fully believe
that the.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Show was one places.

Speaker 4 (01:26:46):
So yeah, yeah, all right, we're just gonna sit here
and uh I.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
Jet fuel theories, but I thought maybe we'll.

Speaker 3 (01:26:55):
Just do you do this to jet I never stick
around for the end of those shows. So does he
do this for Jed?

Speaker 4 (01:26:59):
Yeah, but at that point he's usually hawking his ambulance
chasing law service.

Speaker 2 (01:27:03):
We will not have a show on Friday, but you
can reach out to this great program at Morning Combat
at gmail dot com for your fan subs, for your
dead wrongs, or just to complain about our jokes. Thank
you so much, Luke. Will you be live streaming things
this week?

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Yes, definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:27:17):
We're gonna be doing a watch along, probably for the
full main card, but certainly for the top three fights,
and then a post fight show live by him dem
Slash with Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
Yeah, there it is. That's the home for your great content, Chuck.
Where can we find more of your fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:27:31):
Work, primarily at uncrowned dot com. That's where I've got
a bunch of features this week. You know, We've got
Umar coming up, I've got something on Jeandoba will be
on the crack.

Speaker 1 (01:27:43):
I'll be on the Crack on Friday on the Crack.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
I didn't I didn't know. I'm sorry, I didn't know
it was pronounced crack. I think that's hilarious.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
What did you think it was?

Speaker 2 (01:27:50):
Well, it literally was like for like twisted ballbagers.

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
That's like the Germans pronouncing it. The Irish pronounce it crack. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
I just found out about the crackheads.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Yeah is what they're called.

Speaker 2 (01:28:04):
That's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:28:05):
That's what he That's what Pizzi calls him, crackheads. Yeah
really yeah, actually pretty, that's funny. I hope you've told
Pizza you like him though, because for years he has.

Speaker 4 (01:28:13):
Done it several I fucking DM him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:17):
All right, okay, bro, what are you talking about? Loup
doesn't like me?

Speaker 2 (01:28:19):
Oh don't you have that big money burg feature coming
out this week?

Speaker 1 (01:28:22):
Which money Brook? Yeah No, that's not that's not me.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
Okay, okay, all right, so that got me. That was yeah.

Speaker 8 (01:28:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Wait, you know sometimes you just slipped one through, right,
That's how a few marriages start.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
Yeah, he's getting he's getting he's getting some maritime these days.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
That's all the jokes we have for today. Really, sorry
if we offended anyone but I hope we fired you
up for UFC three twenty one.

Speaker 1 (01:28:45):
Thank you to our but just a few people, a right,
just a few people.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Thank you to Queropho. Thank you to our fantastic sponsors,
UH DraftKings Total Wireless as well. Three twenty one is
this is this Saturday. We'll be back on Monday, live
and direct inside this studio to break it all down.
Ken will be here, Luke, right, We love Ken.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Look at that guy?

Speaker 4 (01:29:05):
Yeah, why is he in studio wearing a fur coat?
Always were he would make a good It's like this.
This is good for this studio and also Antarctica.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
Okay, for Long Island, Luke the Great Chuck Mindenhall of
Uncrowned and UH caps everywhere, and for Luke Thomas of
d C. We'll be seeing you. Take care of yourselves,
believe in yourselves. We out of here.

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