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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Really look at this now, timpted Jesus, oh, using.

Speaker 2 (00:28):
Will be well, it's time to band. Oh yeah, better
late than never. Sliding in on a Monday morning, it
is what you came here to see what you've been
looking for? Morning combat directly in your face whole Monday,

(00:49):
November seventeenth, two thousand and twenty five. And as you
can see by his arrival in the moment, fresh off
the Amtrak train, joining me, Brian Campbell on today's journey
as we recap UFC three twenty two in full plethora
and come at you on all things, Jake Paul AJ

(01:10):
have you seen this shit? A lot to talk about BC?
Brian Campbell right here from them Hartford Suburbs shortly be
talking to DC's own Luke Thomas. I guess the the
the Engines claim him as well, you know, does he though?
Is it reciprocal? We'll get into that as well in
this show. How about UFC three twenty two on Saturday

(01:30):
at MSG, A little bit of that magic was back
in the air, you know what I mean? And I
would know from experience, dude, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
him and her got it on. No, they didn't, all right.
You can imagine what it'd be like if they did. Though. Wow, Hey,
here he is el to the dizzle fuck fucking am

(01:51):
truck headphones. Please, sir, you gotta bang energy drink here.
Your hair has not not been dyed at all. This
is this is his real does do the drapes match
the welcome? Welcome to morning combat?

Speaker 3 (02:04):
Fuck you?

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Let's go?

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Uh we stopped Laate? Still here the bang though, which
is why he got that can. And I'm fired up
for today.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
I'm fired up here too, here to do this and
eat chowder.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Yeah. Yeah. You saw a big bang jang in the
crowd on Saturday. Yeah, so did I as well. By
the way, that was my first kh side UFC experience
since cannoneer versus Attisania in March twenty twenty on the
JJ Waaley one card.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
How was it awesome? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I wasn't even mad at the grappling. It was awesome,
all right. Dylan Danis got cuffed on my laptop similar
to you.

Speaker 5 (02:48):
I think I got a dead wrong here in real time,
wasn't that? Izzy? Joel Romero? March twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Who did I say?

Speaker 5 (02:53):
You said?

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Kennedy forty nine.

Speaker 5 (02:58):
Cannon near Izz. He was International Fight Week. You guys
were there for that.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I'm wrong, I'm wrong, You're right, romero Isy.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
We were in Vegas for two seventy six.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
We were in Vegas for about four different shows. I
just didn't go in the arena.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. And for two seventy six we
also did the prefight presser. We did a reaction for
CBS Sports HP all that stuff. Yeah, uh, but sitting cage,
I can't, I honestly cannot remember that.

Speaker 2 (03:22):
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Yeah, I have all right.

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Speaker 3 (04:05):
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Speaker 2 (04:06):
The Oscar willis uh spin off I don't think is
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Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yes, go ahead, he literally because I had talked about
on this show.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I love that man.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, well, I talked about on this show that from
my daughter's Halloween costume for the k PAP Demon Hunters costume,
I was all over Etsy trying to find people who
can make the weapon that were the characters that she
was playing, and it was, you know, it was it was.
It worked out okay, but it was a little bit
of a tough process. He three D printed all the
weapons that that girl, there's three girls in a group

(04:36):
he printed. He three D printed all of their weapons, damn.
And all of them were nicer than the ones that
I had ordered. Like, way better next time, dude. I'm
telling you average Joe art. If you're listening, and he
probably is three D printing cosplay toys, that has to
be big business. Yeah, that has to be big business.

Speaker 2 (04:56):
I'm trying to think of we like got a three
D printed long and somehow putting K logo on it
would it.

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Only work if it was a boll wouldn't you have
to have two dongs.

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Speaker 6 (05:09):
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Speaker 2 (05:09):
People are probably like, yo, I want my breakdowns and they're.

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Coming called Donald Trump.

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Speaker 3 (05:30):
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a chocolate star blast a couple of times after having
taco bell.

Speaker 2 (05:37):
It's so gross. It's like, it's really gross to say
that out loud. Wow.

Speaker 3 (05:41):
Wow, Yeah, I'd call this Nike will favor.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
It is quick Hello. Hey, it's our show. We're running
at any pace. We want quick Hello to the third
member of our team, a producer, director Bong, enthusiastic hell
of a podcaster himself over there at the main card
minute and damn right, we like to bring up his
Australian father because that horn motherfucker brought this guy to
our lives. Okay, Long Island, Luke, No, see that?

Speaker 5 (06:07):
What up, boys, guys, today's a big day. It's actually
the two year anniversary of main card minutes.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
So hey, hey, I'll give.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Myself a little yeah there we got all.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Right, let's say a little self uh selfranization there.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
That's I just want to say. I mean, it's hard
for me to like stop for the moment. I feel
like Michael Douglas in Falling Down, Yes, Or I just
want the burger or the breakfast, yes, instead of the lunch.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
You have to wait thirty minutes.

Speaker 3 (06:32):
Amtrak. I just need you to be on time for once.

Speaker 2 (06:36):
You're like, I'm from the military. We ever once those
trains leave at the right time every time. All right?
God wow, all right? Also, thank you Long Island, Luke.
You were at the Hey real quick, Long Island. Look
you were at the damn events this week. I saw, yeah,
media day, I saw you.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
Were you there on fight night? Yes, sir, they had
you in the back with the peasants though, right.

Speaker 5 (06:56):
Hey, so they had me in the back, but we
did have access to on the Chase Ridge like our
own section. I went out for the protest edwards fight.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
I that's fun, cool, cool, yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Sweet. The garden was awesome.

Speaker 3 (07:06):
I mean gardens awesome. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I mean, look, I haven't been this close in a while.

Speaker 3 (07:10):
It was nice. It's still I mean, how did they
have Mike Bond in front of you though?

Speaker 2 (07:15):
I mean, dude, he's at every show and I'll be
next to him.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
But you're a you're with the CBS.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
Yeah, yeah, well you know January is when this You're
going to get promoted to first chair in January, first chair. Yeah,
and and I will do my part.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (07:30):
By the way, a lot of people defending Dylan Dantis
on Twitter. What's going on here? We'll get to that. Yeah, yeah,
Like if anything, I haven't seen that. Oh yeah, they're
in my dms, if they're at my at.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
My mentions, I'm.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Just like, yeah, in normal cases, I wouldn't defend a
whole large group of people jumping one dude. That dude
came to the event to get in a fight, like
are we not like we're not we're not following ourselves
here like that. That's why he came and was sitting
in other people's seats, and you know, he got what
he has for like, Okay.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
Yeah, I mean he'd move on. Yeah, so that's the
part about him. He tries to provoke. Yeah, congrats, I
guess you.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
Know, Cord. He won quickly quickly. Here breaking news this morning,
as Jake Paul went to social media and simply wrote,
it's for real Friday, December nineteenth on Netflix. It'll be
a real fight at heavyweight Jake Paul versus former heavyweight
champion Anthony Joshua. I believe they're gonna have a presser
on November twenty first, with Ariel hosting to kind of
kick this off. But Luke, we never really got into

(08:27):
this rumor, so just a quick reaction. Is he like, sorry, Nuwanda,
you just signed your own death certificate. That was a
great line from a dead poet society. Yeah, we're we're
looking at dead influencer society here. Why is he doing this?
What does this mean?

Speaker 3 (08:43):
It honestly doesn't make sense to me, because, as everyone
has rightly observed, I'm not adding much to the conversation,
but just to sort of go over the high points.
If Jake wins this is I mean, obviously it would
be enormous for him, but it would be ruinous truly
ruinous for Anthony Joshua, by the way, it needs to
get back after that Dubois terrible loss. Sure, but nevertheless

(09:08):
still probably has a Tyson Fury London homecoming in front
of him. This would not only ruin his career more broadly,
but would specifically in the short run, I mean, just
immolate any of those plans.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
So he's like, well, well, no one's worried about those, Okay,
Well hold on, Well, I mean those plans aren't in
uh well.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Okay, but this is my point. So that doesn't make
a lot of sense. Then on the other side, it's like,
all right, Jake, if you lose this, that the likelihood
that you would lose it is a high and be
the likelihood that this would be violent to the point
of also being ruinous is also exceedingly high. So this
is what I don't get BC, like, did he owe

(09:46):
Netflix something?

Speaker 2 (09:48):
And then I wonder if it's a panic to keep
the relationship going since the tank that since they canceled
the tank thing, and it was the.

Speaker 3 (09:53):
Only thing I can think of that makes sense for
me is that he owes them something and is desperate
to deliver on it. And the best that he could
come up with given the circumstances. Is this outrageous acceptance
of basically impossible and dangerous feat.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
I mean part of what he's always done Logan too,
in the rare fights he's taken. Is I always looked
at it more from a daredevil thing, Like we are
influencers of the highest level across social media, YouTube and everything.
We are gonna do crazy shit because we're also good
athletes and we're just nuts.

Speaker 3 (10:25):
Okay, But they're swimming with sharks in cages, and then
they're swimming with sharks without.

Speaker 2 (10:30):
So I'm like, does Jake just know that inevitably, whether
it's for a cruiserweight title or it's against you know,
inevitably he's going to catch that fade, right, And he
does work hard and all that stuff, But like maybe
this is him just cashing himself out and saying, I
want to get that respect that I've never gotten for
you know, being crazy tough and taking on challenges. So
you saw me do the Mike Tyson shit that you

(10:50):
rightfully made fun of. Now I'm gonna do the flip
side of that the hardest shit possible. And I just
don't know if you'll have a future after that.

Speaker 3 (10:57):
And I have to say also the fact that there
was such wide repudiation of the Tyson fight as well
as the market did. Whether they called it off because
of this allegations in the lawsuit or because it performed
poorly at the box office, you can decide. But I
think that the combination of the fact that it didn't
there was, you know, a muted response at the box office,

(11:20):
and then this wide repudiation after the Tyson fight, I
think it also made him maybe this is an over correction,
him trying to be like, Okay, well I can't do
anything other than go all the way the other way,
rather than some like halfway decent guy.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Yeah. I mean, it may have just been as easy
as like there was a list of opponents, something like
a Tommy Fury fight wasn't going to make Netflix. I'm
just I'm just speaking out. What what if Netflix is like, yeah,
do that on his own. That's not a Netflix fight, right,
But the names to do a Netflix fight probably involved
in Ghanu, probably involved Joshua.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
He didn't he didn't go back to DA.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
People are saying Francis dropped the bag, but I believe
the deep sourcing on that was that he was offered
some somewhat low amount for a short turnaround fight. But yeah,
this is crazy. We'll see it's I mean, it seems real.

Speaker 3 (12:07):
But I mean Netflix announced it.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
So there you go December nineteenth. Check that out. All right,
no more delay, let's get into it. Sorry about the
Amtrak delays that may remove your d MS later in
the show. But I got I've got a lot of shit.
I try. I tried hard. Okay, sometimes I use what
I have.

Speaker 3 (12:23):
And we cant Just did you eat for dinner in
the city last night.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I've been eating bad for two days. And you know,
sometimes you just slide into that hole and you're like,
all right, I'll finish the hole. I'll complete the hole.
All right, I'm completing the hole. Oh you know it's
a Mexican I mean, it's been a great We've had
a great run. You know it's been I've been on
a heare all right, there we go, there it is,
But now it's over. Now it's time to get serious.
Let's go to topic number one. You know why we're here.

(12:46):
MSG Saturday UFC three twenty two. It did feel like
a big one, A major pay per view for the
UFC is the ESPN deal continues to come to a close.
A bit of that old MSG magic was there, especially
during that stretch with four straight iral knockouts and a
crazy brawl in the crowd right in the middle of it.
But in the end we did see some historical developments

(13:07):
in the co and main events, largely fueled by grappling,
which has started a certain kind of argument. So Islam
Mahachev becoming the eleventh two division champion in history with
his unanimous decision fifty to forty five across the board
over Jack Della Madalena, tying Anderson Silva's record streak of
sixteen consecutive wins in that process, though it was five

(13:29):
rounds of when the opening was there, Islam took advantage
of it. He took Jack down systematically, would look to
set things up, wasn't looking to be reckless, wasn't looking
to do anything but shmesh, and he did that in
the end. You are getting comparisons though to this fight,
to the way Hamza Chimaia took the middle eight title
from DDP. Do we have an issue here as this

(13:51):
cyclical Let's get right into it, Luke. Is the criticism
fair or is the bigger takeaway here that a legendary
fighter in majev the same one who Dana White conceded
at the postfight press conference, probably entering into goat talk
one or two fights away here. Is it more about
that moving up a weight class or are we going
in the wrong direction entertainment wise, because here's back to

(14:14):
back huge fights that they built up and there was
control that led to the victory.

Speaker 3 (14:18):
Yeah. I mean this is a bit of a This
is an interesting one to me because you kind of
have to put your personal biases aside as much as
you can and just kind of read the room and
see where we are on this. I don't think anybody
would deny that Islam just performed extraordinarily ably, perhaps to
the point you raised too ably.

Speaker 2 (14:39):
I mean I was in the second row. I thoroughly
enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Yeah, I gotta be honest, I didn't hate it either.
I do recognize that there were parts of the bout
that were not particularly fun. Yes, I do recognize that
some of the comparisons to DDP Hams out are fair,
but I also think those are mostly exaggerated. But I
would say this, we're kind of at this moment in
time where defense at the highest level is typically getting

(15:05):
much better. You know it should like the people like
why did Poeton fight a guy? And for example in
Khalil Roundtree, who was outside the top five? Well, I
mean the level of defense drops off precipitously further even
within the top ten or top fifteen. The fact that
you got a wide open fight in that regard, to
me is not a coincidence. But you get guys at
the very top, their defense is very, very good. It

(15:28):
is hard to do things to them, and I think
you got something like this. You see this in elite wrestling,
you see this in elite jiu jitsu. It can be
very You don't see a lot of you'll see tech
falls in high school, so you'll see tech falls at
the highest level, but it's pretty rare at the virtually
highest level.

Speaker 2 (15:41):
So there's there's like a five round tech fall.

Speaker 3 (15:43):
What you're saying, no, no tech fall would.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Be quick, right, but this is like that over five rounds.

Speaker 3 (15:47):
It was sort of slowly simmering. Yeah, yeah, exactly. So
by the time you get there, it's just one giant
tech fall without that immediate like you know, mercy rule.
We got to call it off. So I think that's
a big part of it. I think the other part too, though,
is that dude, Islam is fucking great. Ah, leave bro,
he is so fucking good. I mean, we knew this already.
People were, you know, it was kind of funny, right,

(16:08):
people were saying, Wow, look at how good Vulk did.
Really gives you a new new appreciation, which it absolutely does.
But it also reminds me the fact that Vulk tried
to fight that fucking guy on less than two weeks notice.
That was never gonna go any other way other than
the way it did. Islam is not a guy you

(16:29):
can fight on any amount of short notice. What a
disastrous idea that ended up being for any number of reasons,
and the obvious ones I don't need to spell out. BC.
I thought this performance was certainly a little on the
safe side. I think there's something to be said for that,
but I think the bigger issue was JDM didn't have

(16:50):
the ability to get any offense going, but had a
lot of survivability and some defense, and that made the
friction a little bit hard to parse for some a
little harder to understand. But I just want to make
this point before I pitch it back to you, which
is you know, it's not just that Islam is so
goddamn well rounded, which of course, wow, he really is

(17:12):
taking the back and then trapping the arm, beating up
jdm's leg. On the feet, it just.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Just the fact that he neutralizes offense on the feet
for as long as they were there. JDM got nothing
done on the phone.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
He looked like he had. The training camp was much
tougher on the fight itself. But the point I want
to make was this guy makes just almost no mistakes.
It is so hard to catch him in error, and
I want you to think about what that means. People
make mistakes when they don't understand something with the full
depth and complexity that's required. Look at the way in

(17:44):
which he can dominate about and there's really almost no
interval where he's making serious or even otherwise perceptible mistakes.
It's unlike a championship reign. Not going to say in
MMA history, but he is absolutely the half dozen kinds
of guys and ladies that deserved to be remembered for
being the very best that the sport has to offer.

Speaker 2 (18:06):
Because when we hit these I don't want to say
lulls because it's not, But like, look, what is it
great for the sport if we go from the way
CHAMAIV one to the way Islam one. Let's say in
December Morob does the same thing. Right, Let's say he
just controls for five rounds and lays on top and
that starts to happen for a year in a row.
Is that bad for ratings? Is that bad for entertainment growth?

Speaker 7 (18:26):
Like?

Speaker 2 (18:26):
Sure, I just don't think that's going to happen because
these pockets of when one style just takes over the
way it does, and we've been through wrestling cycles before.
In this in this sport, you know what I mean,
American fueled or what have you just happens to largely
be Dugistan or that whole area extended area fueled. But
it forces the rest of the game to elevate their
game to deal with it, Like that's it have kicks

(18:47):
out a moment where they completely could control a fight
until you raised your game to learn how to deal
with it. This is going to force that next level
of not just how often do we cry on the
elite level when we don't see a head movement, we
don't see any dedication into defense. Well, even though I
don't expect the rest of the sport to catch up
to their wrestling dominance, the rest of the sports have
to catch up to find a way to hold it off,

(19:08):
and that is an evolution of the sport built in
that it's cyclical. But it's hard to look at what
this guy's doing historically and try to lead with the
idea that, oh, yeah, but it's better for the No,
this guy's awesome. This is incredible what he's able to
pull off. Right here, we are watching a guy who
came in with the hibbeeb rub and is actually taking

(19:29):
it to another level, to the point of I led
my post fight Takeaways Calum for CBS Sports with this topic,
and I'm sure you've got something to say about it.
They don't care about it. I asked Islam this week
at Media Day, said the idea of him and Habib,
or him and Umar and Usman ever having a conversation
of who's better, would never would never ever happen, because
it's about building up their brother and being there for

(19:50):
them in the same way they were for them. But
I think it's fair to say that Islam has eclipsed
from an accumulation from an accomplishment standpoint eclipse.

Speaker 3 (19:59):
Habbe's legacy have yeah, I mean I have enormous respect
for the career of Habib've never got made off undefeated.
As everyone will knows, a nine to zero set a
standard of excellence that will stand the test has stood
the test of time, and I think will continue to
do that. But it's not a legacy that is unbeatable.
And despite the fact that Islam was finished early in

(20:21):
his career, I want to be very clear about something.
People are looking at the way which Islam made this
look easy, and I think that they're downgrading the win
as a consequence, which I think is a huge mistake.
Recall thirty four years of age, bumps up fifteen pounds
against a JDM who looked like a million dollars against

(20:41):
a very good Balal Mohammed, what appeared to me to
be in phenomenal He looks physical, Oh my god, hell yeah,
he had striations in his shoulder.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
JDM was caught. I mean, the packs, everything was rocket.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
He looked to be in tremendous physical condition, and not
only did Islam quite literally beat him everywhere. I want
to make a note of this, and I'm sure everyone
saw it. There was some chatter about it after the fact.
He demoralized him. He took his spirit from him in
this fight when the odds were the toughest up a
weight class to do that against a guy at twenty

(21:18):
nine who was the reigning, deserving, reigning champion, and to
take away his fighting spirit he looked like at the end.
To his credit, he fought off everything, including submissions late
into the fifth. I'm not saying that he quit, That's
not what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Oh, he used all that energy to fight it all,
but his.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
Body wanted him to. He had to rally and steal
his mind because Islam was taking everything from him. Dude,
motherfucking Islam is so special and I do believe that
this kind of win is something that Habib simply does
not have.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Yeah, and I think he's got it, and we've already
said it for years, but Islam's got a more well
rounded game than Habib. He's twenty. He's proved to twenty
eight in one with his victory. Eight now a two
division cham in sixteen consecutive wins since that one fight
ten years ago against Adriana Martinz that he walked into
a hook and now he calls it the big mistake
that I made, and boy has he made up for that.
It did take him a while to get elite foes,

(22:12):
but then once he did the run that he's currently
on right now, the opponents available to him moving forward
in the sport's deepest division, he really does have a chance.
Dane is not, you know, talking out of his ass postfight.
He really does have a chance to approach here. Usman
was in the same spot when he won fifteen in
a row and was number one pomp for pound. He
does have it. Like look, we both say he's number

(22:32):
one pomp for pound. Now you eclipse Morob and Ilia
with that. Now it could they could flip flop, fight
to fight until they fight each other. But but I
think this is the best.

Speaker 3 (22:41):
I think what Islam did to JDM and what it
meant to beat him this way means more to me
than Ilia and the way he beat Charles at this
particular time.

Speaker 2 (22:49):
I agree with you.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
Also one more point, getting back to Vulcan. Just think
about that Vulk when he bumped up to get a
second belt, had to fight fucking Islam.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
And now he wants to fight him.

Speaker 3 (22:57):
At one seventeen yeah, and meanwhile, you had to bump
up and fight Charles. Charles is very good, but that's
not the That is in no way the same kind
of task Islam as your will.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
To further illustrate Islam's greatness, here's the street. Here are
the streaks that he snapped to get to where he
is right now. The wind streak Snapcher eleven fight win
streak for Charles Olivera at the very peak of his game,
you know, a Hall of Fame turn for Olivera, a
twenty two fight run for the great Volkanovski eighteen. People
forget Jack Della lost his first two pro fights been

(23:30):
on an eighteen fight win streak. Yes, didn't get to
the title through the traditional path of beating killer contender
after killer contender, but what he did against Blal showed
who he really was, what he tried to do in
defense here, I mean, how much let's talk about the
jack side of it. How much are you disappointed in Jack?
Dana sounded a bit afterwards like he thought he would
do more. We were saying that about whiley were saying

(23:51):
that about JDM, Right.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
I do have a question. There was so much grimacing
on the floor. Did he I'm not talking about the leg.
Did he have some other kind of injury or did
he sustain any other kind of injury during the course
of that bout? Didn't you see him like wincing in pain?
And again, part of that was probably frustration. I don't know,

(24:12):
so I want to say, we have to wait and hear.
Could there have been some kind of mitigating circumstance perhaps,
I mean, on the one hand, like what worked the submission?
Defense certainly saved him, remember the levels to fighting or
survived defend attack. He never really got out of defend.
He certainly was never I mean, I guess the first
opening seconds of the first round he kind of came

(24:33):
after him, but otherwise that was it. I would say
I am a little disappointed in him. I thought that
he'd have a little bit more readiness or some of
the things that Islam would be able to do. But
I also feel like.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
I feel like Ddpach from high it really does. He
really feels like the same feeling we should.

Speaker 3 (24:50):
Do you want to talk about that the comparisons to
that fight.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
I mean, I think he was way more accomplished coming
in than JDM was, but they both succumbed to the
same thing one hole in their game, which in the
past they've been able to not make it a hole.
When you find that key that can stows through anything
and turn it, you're fucked. And there he used every
ounce of his recuperative and toughness to be able to
hold off being finished.

Speaker 3 (25:13):
I have a video coming out about this. I haven't
I was trying to do it at four am this
morning and I couldn't finish it. But the reality is, again,
if people didn't like it, I disagree, but I understand
people have different priorities like kiss.

Speaker 2 (25:26):
I mean, it's just exactly I mean.

Speaker 3 (25:28):
Some people like bullshit and it's that's just that's life.
But the reality is, by the this is the difference.
The key thing you have to understand is underneath Islam.
First of all, Islam never really hit the kinds of
positions and could camp out in the way that Hamza did.
Homsa was able to immediately go to side control and

(25:49):
just simply hold it for long stretches of the fight,
not just rounds. You didn't get that with Jack. Jack
was fighting Islam for every single inch of space, yes,
which is why Islam was for the most part only
ever in half guard because he couldn't really fully ever
pass JDM wouldn't let him. The point I'm trying to
make is the positions were not neutral BC, but they

(26:10):
were closer to neutral than what you got with DDP,
in part because Jack made it that way, and Jack
was much much squirmier underneath. He was trying buggy chokes,
he was trying grammy reversals, he was trying you name it.
He was constantly fighting for frames, he was constantly trying
to get to his side. The problem is, BC, he

(26:31):
would get to his side, Islam would pin his own
arm to him with his body weight, or begin to
separate it and look for a Kimora or some other
thing where now he has to go back down. So
he was making him pick between a set of offensive dilemmas. However,
to the extent that that fight stalled out, which is debatable,
but to the extent that it did, it's because if

(26:52):
you've never rolled before, if you allow someone to do
the beginning stage of let's say, going bottom to top
and you don't address it, the bottom falls out very quickly,
so you have to stay on top of it, break
a grip, place your weight somewhere whatever it ends up being.
Otherwise it just goes completely haywire.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
Very quickly, so the bottom drops out.

Speaker 3 (27:10):
So the point trying to make is Islam having to
cover in that way. It might feel a little DDP humsiadish,
but I think there's a much better that to me,
if a guy underneath is very squirmy and hard to hold,
I can appreciate what it means for a fight to
not necessarily be exciting to order to maintain top position.
That's a little different than DDP getting absolutely thrashed and

(27:31):
having no aing.

Speaker 2 (27:31):
And the missing link in this analysis of how Islam
was able to do that is moving up in weight,
and when he says pre fight, I feel like I
was only fighting at seventy to eighty percent of myself
at one fifty five because of the hard weight cut.
I think he kind of proved it because Luke, there's
been a working theory that you can wrestle three rounds
at the highest level in the UFC. But that's it.

(27:51):
Remember when Habib was throwing out, you know, I quinto
around at UFC two twenty three, but then the championship
rounds had to strike more. We've seen it so many times,
Sean Sean Brady told me this week. When I asked him,
I was like, can you go three rounds? He never
shot against Morales. We'll get into that, but I was like,
if you wanted to raged off for three rounds, can
you do that in this type of fight? Yes, for
five rounds. Islam did this, and he talked afterwards about

(28:14):
this is what happens. While I'm not sacrificed myself. That's scary.
That's scary. It's going to force everyone to change their
game against him.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Islam is arguably, I mean, he's the probably the only
mitigating factor here is age, but based on the way
he looks, he might be better at seventy than fifty five.
And that's kind of insane.

Speaker 2 (28:30):
It's a killer list of opponents. We'll get to very shortly.

Speaker 3 (28:32):
Here.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
First is coach Javier Mendez breaking down what happened to
JDM because of Isie's greatest or Islam's greatest.

Speaker 3 (28:39):
I wasn't one hundred percent sure on Jack's speed, but
when I saw it right away with the first jab,
the first punch Jack threw, I said, damn, he doesn't
have the speed to keep with us. So I ken't
yelling this and this, this mat at door style. Islam
knows Mata door style. I thought him that many many
years ago against Aaviy Ramos, So he knows that style
really well. The only heir we ma on the clinch,

(29:01):
you know, because when the clitch he got, he got
hit really quickly. He had to deliver the off real quick.
So after that we said no more knees. I said
no more nees. We all said no more nees.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
No more knees on that ship. Here's Ian Geary though,
coming down on jdm's performance.

Speaker 6 (29:17):
Wait, this is where the fight sides. Can he stay
down or can he get back on? I did not
think this was gonna be as easy as it is now.
It's just a question of is Jack going to break
three rounds of domination by Islam. So far, Jack doesn't
look like he knows how to fight. This is a
great night for me. Islam's gonna win. I want that fight.

(29:38):
Jack loses, Leon gets sparked. The only way this gets
better is if Jacksonahs goes the other side of his face.
Look at the face and he's the champion right now.
Look at that broken He clearly doesn't want to fight
coach shout of talent and look at him, he's about
to cry, grab his leg, take him down, and that's
the fight guarantee. Is Slam Hey done, came over, say

(29:59):
let him know how I take up Jack Delamottetlanta versus
Collage patches. That's what's next, em and Islan.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
All right, let's talk about the future. This was a
huge showcase night for the welterweight division. I love the
match making across all three fights on there, and we'll
get to the other two, but this elevated the division,
made you want to see everyone against Islam moving forward.
That voice of iing Gary matters because he's got former
Champla Mohammed next Saturday in the cutter in the co
main event that could decide the next title contender. You've

(30:27):
got Carl's protest and you've got Michael Morales who had
breakthrough stoppages on this card. You've also got Kamaro Usman lingering,
and the idea is that Islam wants this matchup to
add such a legendary name to his resume. You've got Usman,
who's coming off of it a very good win against contender,
and Joaquin Buckley. But had a stretch before that in
which he's taking high level losses and not really fighting

(30:48):
at welterweight, yet he's ranked in the top five. I
don't want to ask you first who should be or
who will be next? Who is the one welterweight right now?
And I think you can throw to Poria in this
discussion if you want to make it a larger one.
Who has the best chance of being that version of Islam?

Speaker 3 (31:04):
To be honest, I don't think any of them have
a very good chance after cling Shafka, including Shaka, I mean, Schofcot,
I've been very high on, but he's been gone. He
missed the entire year.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
I do you think he tweeted? Do we have a
quick look at what he tweeted?

Speaker 3 (31:16):
Uh Aguard? What do we get there? Yeah, here we go.
Congratulations to Islam, excellent performance. But the real challenge at
one seventy isn't Who is the.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Real challenge at one seventy four much?

Speaker 3 (31:27):
I don't really think there is one. I can't believe
I'm saying that so quickly. But to do that to
Jack the way he did, I mean, Block couldn't even
do a fraction of that, And Islam made it look effortless.
I don't think that there's anyone in that division. You
might say Kamaru, who can wrestle and obviously can strike
a little bit, did well to at least hang on
and then push back against Hamzat fair enough. That might

(31:49):
be one of the more competitive bouts you could get.
I do think the Rockmanov bout is potentially one of
the more competitive bouts you could you could get.

Speaker 2 (31:57):
Would you be upset at Usman? Would you be upset
at the Some people are saying that I don't think
he's already ducking as new champion of the deepest division.
He is ducking if you want, Okay, But yes, I
mean it's a huge pay day for Ali. We know that.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
Yeah, Holly reps both guys. It'd be a good pay
day for him, I'm sure. But the reality is, as
Oscar was telling us last week, it's also the case
that the UFC really wants Usman to be in that role.
So I tend to think that might be a foregone conclusion.
I'll leave open the possibility BC, the possibility that if
Gary goes in there and absolutely just dunks on belall,

(32:29):
which I don't expect. But let's say that he does.
Maybe he could leap frog, but to me, the toughest
challenges look like something around the neighborhood of Usman, Rochmanov
and Gary and I'd put Poria at seventy at the
very very end of that list. You how really, I
can't believe due, How could you watch that fight and
think To's chances got better because of fifty five when

(32:54):
Islam is drained a little bit different balls.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Okay, let's say it right now. Islam is not cutting
to one fifty five again, nor should he ever. Any
talk about the Taporia fight has to be about the
three division champions.

Speaker 3 (33:06):
It's pointless.

Speaker 2 (33:07):
I don't know if it's pointless.

Speaker 3 (33:09):
I just former forty five is gonna be that fucking guy.

Speaker 2 (33:12):
This dude doesn't act like a former forty five. Okay,
he's acting like he's still a forty You know, the
escalation of Connor McGregor. In a lot of ways, I
get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
Here.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Here's Taporia after the fight taking issue with GDM and
putting his name into the mix to tweet it, says
Jack and Ilia twiped twiped Jack needs an entire camp
dedicated just to wrestling. What a disappointment of a champion.
You should go to Georgia to learn something. He's not
talking about Big Chicken, Islam. You need something you can't
train emotion. You're the most boring thing in this game.

(33:42):
Every day, I'm more certain I put you to sleep.
We have the reaction here from Islam ha Mahachev to
fate to the idea of facing Iliataporia next Pooria.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
I don't know if you saw his tweet he said
you're like the most boring fighter in the UFC or
something like that. I know you said to ask us
smart after the fight up media day, can you give
us your full thoughts on a fight with him?

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Now?

Speaker 5 (34:04):
No injury, not think. I don't feel any pains.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
I'm ready.

Speaker 5 (34:09):
Who is going to be next?

Speaker 8 (34:11):
Let's do this and I will make it easy.

Speaker 2 (34:15):
I do love that attitude of like whoever, whoever they want,
and normally I don't love that because I want guys
to fight for their position. But this is the best
fighter in the sport, angling toward the idea of entering
the go conversation being like, whoever bring that shit to me?
He said he wanted the White House afterwards. What percentage
is the UFC, not looking from a meritocracy standpoint, not

(34:35):
looking from which division is logjam, just looking from we
have this white house card. We can go a number
of ways. What if we went in one versus two
pound for pound and actually did this thing, but at
one seventy for the three division element, So you make
this one of the biggest fights of all time. What
percentage do you believe the UFC pulls.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
This trigger fifty to fifty, fifty to fifty.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
It's not the right fight.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Looking at the division, having Islam on that card seems
like a foregone conclusion based on timing and all the other.

Speaker 2 (35:06):
Predominal Dana agreed this week that you don't need an American.
We're not doing a USA versus the world.

Speaker 3 (35:10):
You know, Dana said explicitly, it's not USA versus the world.
It's just let's build the best card that we can.
Having Islam seems like that's a must, right, Okay, So
that's there. I think you could get away with them
doing Islam versus Kumaru or even Islam again, let's say
it's Ian Gary or something like that. I think you
could get away with it. But I think that they're
probably gonna put in their back pocket, the Taporia one.

(35:32):
But dude, the matchmakers have to be looking at that
and saying Toaporia's got not a great shot, not a
great shot. After this I did, I can't believe it's
like Taporia' is like main Booster. I have to convince
you guys at fifty five. To me, I feel very
differently about it.

Speaker 2 (35:49):
But as seventy, well, he does have knockout power, but
maybe that wrestling size difference is more than I'm realizing it.

Speaker 3 (35:55):
One Islam barely gets hit. His entries are fucking light.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
He can advantage have on the hand.

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Speed, well, he'll have an advantage, for sure, he'll have
an advantage. But I mean, dude, Islam is gonna be
shooting low and fast.

Speaker 2 (36:08):
So you're saying Islam overperformed to the level that he
actually made this fight not viable unless you did that
one fifty five, which again, he has no reason to
cut down here.

Speaker 3 (36:17):
If you had told me on Friday, Jack's gonna do nothing, Yeah,
Jack's gonna do nothing.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Thought Islam would fight his way out of trouble.

Speaker 3 (36:24):
Yeah, yeah, exactly that Jack would be a tough challenge
to be curious to see exactly how Islam navigated it.
Islam looked like he was Islam almost looked like he
had fucking pity on the guyof got's a big one's
that's kind of like the wild card.

Speaker 2 (36:37):
Garry would be fun. There's there certain elements to that.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
But I even dud Hamza going back to seventy Homsa
going to two o five, and I don't know if
you can even make that.

Speaker 2 (36:45):
I was talking is sick fight Brandon Why. I sat
next to me from CBS Sports, my uh my editor,
and we were talking like that's that might actually be
the fight if you if you threw rankings, divisions, championships
out of the way. Islam versus Tamaya is because.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Right, because now you know, verifiably, without a shadow of
a doubt, he's got another wrestler on his hands. Because
I know what everyone's gonna say. They're gonna say Allah
started as a wrestler and a grappler, which is true,
but I don't think that anyone would say A at
seventy that's gonna matter as much as it would for
Hams had to go back down and hamso's a better
pure wrestler than to Poria.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Anyway, Islam's a he already was, but I mean he's
a pay per view brand. He is a star, and
he got there with the help of the of the
of the bump, of course, of being Hibeb's guy. But
he's really escalated that in every possible category. I really
feel like that building was filled with definitely way Lee fans,
but that was filled with with uh Islam fan.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
You got the loudest pop.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
I mean, Pooria in GSP got pretty big pops from
the crowd there. That brawl got a big pop.

Speaker 3 (37:47):
So another guy, look at what fucking Poorier did to Islam.
He fucked up his face. Remember he had him bleeding.
He slashed his face open in that fifth round, survived
all the way before that was putting some decent shots
on him. Consider if Dustin Poier did much better against
Islam than JDM ever did. It hard to believe, but true.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
This is great. All right, we have one more bit
on this topic to talk about, and it's the Craig
Jones side. We were kind of giving Craig Jones superpowers
being in jdm's corner that it was going to lead
to an ability for Jack Dela Madeleina to get up
and get up often. He has been in the corner
before when Volk took on Islam. He's been the celebrity
higher for a few different guys here. But his magic

(38:28):
seems to have run out. And this topic came up
when Mahachev talked after the fight. And you know when
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Speaker 4 (38:54):
What did you say to Craig Jones after I told
him you're Judy, so you have to come to Augistan for.

Speaker 8 (39:02):
Two three years?

Speaker 3 (39:03):
What did he say?

Speaker 9 (39:05):
He started laughing, I come Dagistan.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Two three years? Fix everything?

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Is the is the magic of our friend Craig Jones gone?
Or is it still situational based on the I mean.

Speaker 3 (39:17):
You can't have it both ways, right. You can't say
that Vulk performed so well against Islam in their first contest,
uh and then say well JDN performed poorly and so
therefore Craig stuff doesn't work. Greig stuff worked really real
well the first time for Vulk. For Vulk, you know,
there was a ton of stuff that Vulk took from him,

(39:38):
very specific Craig Jones things, and it worked quite well.
So I mean we we really need to say, like,
what exactly is Craig's influence and you know, can he
get these guys over the hump? No, We'll look what
the fucking guy they're up against.

Speaker 2 (39:51):
I mean, what is his influence on the sex trade?

Speaker 3 (39:52):
It's like probably submit, yeah, yeah, But the point I'm
trying to make is, dude, like, look at who he's
fucking fighting. He's fighting islam Mankachev, the very best guy
in the world. Yes, Craig could train me all my life.
I'm still not fucking beating that guy. And I recognize
that profighters are much better. But I'm saying there's a
limit to how much one guy can do for another
one when yes, could a different area of focus BC

(40:16):
have maybe made this a little bit closer BC? Yes,
of course, the answer is yes, but not enough to
fucking win. Look at how far apart JDM is from Islam.
There was a vast ocean of difference. Craig no Craig,
no trainer in the fucking sport is gonna make up
that difference. It doesn't exist, It's not possible. So the

(40:37):
point I'm trying to make is, how can you look
at what Craig's influence has been on broader jiu jitsu,
sport jiu jitsu and in particular guys like Vulk, and
the demonstrable difference that it had, and then say, well,
JDM couldn't do shit with it, so therefore it's bad.
I recognize from a public perception standpoint that the Craig
stock is probably gonna deflate a little bit after this.
I get that, I see it, and maybe there's something

(40:59):
to be said for that, But to me, it's like
the argument is he was doing a little bit too
much jiu jitsu to counter Islam and not enough wrestling,
and I think there's something to that, But that also, Dude,
for example, show me Long Island, Luke, show me how
JDM was defending strikes. Show me show me physically how

(41:22):
it would it looked like. I can see you right
constantly here, dude, against a guy who's got a low
lightning level change, This is kryptonite. This is kryptonite. So
could he have done better? Related to that, certainly there
is something to be said for that, but the fact
that he survived against Islam, honestly is a big feather

(41:45):
in the cap.

Speaker 2 (41:46):
To Craig, Joe, I don't disagree with you.

Speaker 3 (41:48):
I'm telling you, if you didn't know exactly where to
put your body from the side to the back, how
to hand fight where your shoulders need to be, Islam
is fucking putting you out, period. So the fact that
the fact that Jack hung on is long, to me
is very impressive. Obviously, I'm a Craig booster. Biases on
the table. I think he could have wrestled better. Maybe
a different coach can get that out of him fair enough.

(42:10):
But the idea that Craig's ideas are bad, no, They're very,
very good, and they're ahead of their time. As far
as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (42:17):
Of all the boosters, your favorite is Creig.

Speaker 3 (42:20):
So what you're saying probably, yeah, Greg.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
All the vaccines in your life along an look quickly
over to you look use the word ocean, which I
know is one of your favorite Pearl Jam songs. But
I would like to quickly get your take on what
should be next for the great Islam. Maha Jev is
how disappointed would you be in Usman? And does he
even have a chance.

Speaker 5 (42:37):
So before this fight, I was very disappointed in Usman.
I heard a few people saying that, and I was like,
come on, man, we're really going to do that with
how hot welterweight is. Right now, that being said, I
feel like it's got to be either Usman or Shavkat
at this point, Like as far as who can even
beat Islam, Like, I just I don't see Michael Morales
beating him. I don't see Carlos prot This beating him.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Oh you're saying because Usman would beat the other guys, he.

Speaker 5 (43:00):
I just I don't know. I want to point out
one things him.

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Oh Gil, go ahead back, let's talk to Australia.

Speaker 5 (43:06):
One thing about JDM is I was shitting on the
guy all week. I said he had no chance in
this fight, and that did kind of play out. But
I will say I was super impressed with JDM in
this fight. Maybe other people weren't. I was actually like,
oh shit, look at him on the ground, like he's
defending all these submission attempts. I actually think the Craig Jones.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
Factor was huge.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yes, I totally agree.

Speaker 5 (43:23):
I think he probably gets finished in the first three rounds.
If Craig is not, yeah, I mean one more time.
He finished Paria, a black belt in jiu jitsu. He
finished Charles Lavera, a black belt in jiu jitsu. Craig,
excuse me, keep saying, Craig, I apologize.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
JDM hung on there, and I'm telling you, if you
against a guy as skillful as Islam, that is very,
very difficult to do. But the notion could a different
coach get a better wrestling, you know, response out of him.
I'm open to the idea, absolutely for sure. The idea
that Craig's ideas don't work is complete horseship from people

(43:55):
who can't even tell you what Craig's ideas even fucking are.
I can. That's why I know they work.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
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(44:42):
dot com. Please drink responsibly, Luke. We are fresh off
of our UFC three twenty two pregame preview with Oscar
Willis of Oscar Wild Mac Life Fame. Mixed reviews from people,
but overall it was a strong performance. Man mixed because
he can you know, he's aggressive. He's very aggressive in nature.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
People were mixed on Oscar Willis.

Speaker 2 (45:02):
I think, just on some of his content, but I thought,
you know, he brought the energy. He brought.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
He certainly brought the injergy. Someone told us that the
problem was he's actually more MK than we are.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
So it makes us look l Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
He was like, yeah, of course, I'm willing to eat
roaches and jack off at the bus stop. I'm like,
we just we just joke about that. We don't actually
want to do that.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, thank you very much. We do appreciate his contributions
as well. Thank you so much. Follow his work there,
Oscar Willis follow yourself some querfo. All right, let's get
back into a topic. Number two addresses the co main
event of UFC three twenty two on Saturday, the historic
women's matchup on paper that brought in two time flyweight
champion Valentina Chefchenko, who did a lot of history in

(45:42):
the end in her unanimous decision win over two time
strawweight champion Jongwei Lee, most importantly making Jongwi Lee ultimately
look like she didn't belong in there, which was wild
considering this was a virtual betting pickham most of the week.
But Chefchenko equaling Amanda Newness for most title in UFC history,
becoming the sole owner of most title defenses on the

(46:04):
women's side in UFC history, and continuing to just add
to her already incredible legacy at age thirty seven that
even the broadcast and Joe Rogan, we're starting to say,
I wonder if there is an argument here for goat
chip for this woman, Luke. This was similar to the
main event in which grappling was used. I really though,
liked Valentine's explanations afterwards of how hard of a fight

(46:26):
this actually was, even though your eyes didn't see that,
because it was so hard to control someone as talented
as Wayley Jong. As as impressive as this victory was
for Chevchenko's career, what can we really say that she
has a claim to in the history of the sport
right now?

Speaker 3 (46:43):
I think that the overall body of work lets her
somewhere in the neighborhood you could say higher, but certainly
no worse than top three. I think of the best
women to ever do it, the consistent excellence year over
a year, at least in terms of getting her hand raised.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
And improving and evolving.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Oh, I don't think she's improving and evolving.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
You don't think so. No, she brought her wrestling, I
don't think so to such a high level where people
had given Wayy nothing but credit in recent years for.

Speaker 3 (47:15):
Revol certainly better than it was like relative to the
Holly Holm fight. But I would even argue she was
more dangerous back then, just based on the kind of
the risks she was willing to take. I mean, I
think there's a pretty decent criticism to make of this fight.
But you know, if you're asking about the good side
of Valentina, the overall amount of wins, the amount of
wins against quality names, the amount of wins from you know,

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obviously pond for pound people that she's gone up against.
She did not get her hand raised against the men
in New nes but that was an extremely close fight,
and then their first one was putting an honor when
it was a three round contest and it came to
an end. So to me, she has shown incredible durability,
incredible resilience in the sense of thirty seven years old
and still able to be on top of the game
by reinventing her game a little bit. You talk about evolution, No,

(48:00):
to me, she is simple.

Speaker 2 (48:01):
She's a vault. Her defense to it like a glove
should even getting touch outside of that huge overhand right
that way they landed early on where you're like, oh shit,
we got a fight here. I don't feel like she
got touched outside of regular jabs or the flow of
the fight.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
You know, I just feel like, uh, you know what
I said this. People were talking about this fight ahead
of time, being like this is an epic clash of titans,
and I kind of didn't buy it. Not that if
you just look if you looked at Chefchenko's resume and
then you look at Joan Wi Lee's resume and you're like, wow,
these are incredible resumes. I mean, Nick, no one is
a fraud here, like this is this is amazing. But

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something felt a little flat for me, which was I've
seen Chefchenko at thirty five. She's as competitive there as
I mean again, I mean within a hair's breath of
beating Amanda Nunez, and certainly.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
They made a Juliana Payne, you beat Holly Holm, dude, Like.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I mean, she's a fucking beast at thirty five. So
then she goes to twenty five where she can really
do her thing. They're having someone come up from one fifteen.
So to me, it's like you got someone who's probably
a little closer to a natural bansamweight going up against
a very good but now slightly over the hill strawweight.
This is not an it's an epic clash between two
big names, but there's a little lack of suspense. For me,

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it just didn't mean the same thing.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
I'm not going to try to be like it was entertaining.

Speaker 3 (49:17):
I'm not even I'm not even making a point about
the entertaining. I'm simply saying I'm not calling it a
squash match, but JDM not getting shit done against Islam
when he's coming up fifteen pounds and JDM is the
champ and the younger guy.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
I get that.

Speaker 3 (49:30):
That to me feels different than her waiting on someone
to come up who's thirty six years of age. When
she was beating up the ladies a division up from them.

Speaker 2 (49:39):
You're saying, it's similar to when Yo Wanna came up
to one to twenty five the challenge Valentina and none
of us gave her a chance and it played out
that way because kind of like that, like she doesn't
have power or submission game, She's going to just run
into that. But I think Waley was looked at as
different because not only does she have a strong wrestling game,
she's always.

Speaker 3 (49:56):
Overstated, which I said on Fridays I said on Friday's
MKO stated.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Well, you know, and Oscar thought that Whaley would run
through her, and there were questions about that, especially seeing
Whaley look so fit and she had time off and
really had rebuilt her body like Islam did. But hearing,
and we don't have this sound right here, but hearing
Valentina at the postfight press converence literally say, I prepare
for war. Five rounds of war. We thought this would
be the toughest fight of our entire career. We fought

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trained on a level I never even thought before in
terms of just destroying ourselves every day physically. And then
she said, people will say that this looked easy. She said,
every single second she's fighting off Whaley's advancement. Every second
Whaley felt like she was right there on the verge
of landing a big shot. And even when she would
take her down, the amount of fighting just to control position,

(50:42):
just to you know, look to set something up that
that actually was one of the most skilled, tough opponents
she ever faced. She was that much better. And some
of that comes with the size in this argument. I
get that she's also thirty seven, dude, Yeah no, and
she completely neutralized this great fighter. Granted, this great fighter
got beat twice in row legit by Rose, including a
head headgig knockout, and we can never forget that. But

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she was ten and zero against everybody else and dominant,
and it looked like if you don't hear this sound,
and if you don't watch it with the with the
eyes of a fighter, if you're just casually watching it,
it looked like she didn't belong in there. You got
to give Schiftchenko that.

Speaker 3 (51:16):
Come on, man, I'm not saying she's some fraud. That's
really not.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
No, you're discounting the quality she's saying.

Speaker 3 (51:22):
All of this, And it played out exactly as we
thought it was going to play out. The people who
thought like, yeah, I mean, these are great fighters, but
this is a somewhat somewhat predictable kind of thing played
out exactly in that way. So for her to say
that I appreciate that she's working that hard, and I'm
sure she is, but this, you know, saying that, oh,
this only happened because of my preparation. Again, I'm saying,

(51:44):
I'm sure she trained hard, but this followed the exact
path that we had assumed it would because of what
Schiftchenko represents. She's physical for the weight class, she has
good wrestling, she doesn't make a lot of mistakes, and dominant,
but somemother ring top control that's somewhat risk averse yeah,
no shit, it played out the way that it played.
It's not the same thing as Islam beating JDM. It's

(52:05):
not even fucking close.

Speaker 2 (52:06):
It's not because of the weight moves that you're saying.
But what Valentina had lacked up to this point was
certain that one signature victory against a fellow Hall of
Famer where we felt the terms were even. Maybe she
didn't get that in that you want to fight because
of that size difference. I just I don't know. I
don't I don't equate it all to size. I give
her a lot of props for what she pulled off

(52:26):
in there is there a path for her, though to
goat ship and would that path have to include a
bandam weight champions.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
It's the she doesn't have to go to bansamweight, but
it's clearly the most interesting part of what's left.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
She turned pro before Chris Cyborg. Isn't that crazy? It
looks I know, Chris the AFL Championship, She's not doing nothing,
but that's insane.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
I certainly, I just feel like I don't know what
Chifchenko wants or what the UFC will ask of her.
But if you just look up and down the various
one and the cupboard is a little bit, a little
bit bare more broadly, but the more interesting challenges to me,
like her versus Kayla, Now that's a challenge.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
And when you say more broadly, it's because we're talking
about the women's divisions ultimately, right, See, you lean on
that stupid you lean on that a lot.

Speaker 3 (53:16):
You go there, You lean on that joke a lot,
you go there a lot. All right, I'm just trying
to say, just ask yourself, which of these fights are
toughest for her? And it's clearly something in order of Harrison,
not you know.

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Okay, but because Harrison's a monster at thirty five, and
we open the question like how much longer she can
make that, which is why I kind of want them
to give her a chance at like a women's heavyweight
where you have two divisions in one. Is it realistic
for her to beat somebody that physical? Are you saying, well,
she used their physicality to beat way Lee and kind
of just control there?

Speaker 3 (53:48):
Well, who's to say why it's interesting her lording her
physicality over a smaller opponent is not especially I know
there's going to be people who probably hate this opinion,
but her lording that over a smaller opponent is not
that interesting to me. Her being thwarted against an opponent
who can match that physicality, now that's a little bit
of a different ballgame that to me is interesting.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
I mean, I'm never going to argue on the interesting
slash entertainment side of it, but on the just pure
skilled domination side, you know, I certainly give her the flowers.
We do have Shiftchenko talking about exactly that, the idea
of facing Kayla Harrison next, or could it be Natalia
Silva could be another contender.

Speaker 4 (54:22):
Here's Val told me to ask you after the fight
when we spoke before about Kayla Harrison saying she'd like
to fight you at one thirty five at the White
House if you won this, what do you think about
that now?

Speaker 2 (54:32):
I think it's one of the possibilities.

Speaker 10 (54:35):
Yes, and I consider that. It's kind of like, for now,
I want to take care of injuries what I have.
That's kind of like migrating from training to training.

Speaker 11 (54:46):
Camp with me.

Speaker 10 (54:47):
But after like maybe a week or something like that,
we will have our conversation with my team, with my
coach Pile and decide what is next. Because I feel
there is good challengers in flight weight as well erin
Natalia and bantam weight. Now we have Amanda o Kayla,

(55:12):
and I would say probably fans would love to see
Amanda trilogy because it was unfinished business. But in the
same time, it's unclear yet is she return on not return,
is she fighting or not fighting? And also it's unknown
in what shape she's gonna return, like half Amanda or

(55:32):
maybe full Amanda, who knows. Yeah, but Kayla, it's also
one of the possibility and it's going to be another
like super challenge.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
To Kyla by the way, and I did want to mention,
of course Aaron Blancheld submitting Tracy Cortez, which put her
in that conversation as well. Look, this is interesting, but
would it be better if we're trying to like pro
wrestling script this. Hey, what if Amanda and Kayla would
have their super fight, you know, their former teammate that
broke apart because of the rising greatness of Kali. Let's
say Amanda won that, and that'd be one of the

(56:04):
biggest wins, you know, in her entire career. Isn't it
better to get val trying to become a two division
champion against Amanda? To try to avenge the two losses
of her greatest rival for the idea of an actual
handoff of goat Ship in the same manner that Nuna
is knocking out Cyborg was a handoff of that greatness.

Speaker 3 (56:22):
Okay, but the only issue is do you remember the
second Nunez and Schefchenko fight.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Of course sucked ass Okay, but it was wasn't it
better than I mean, it was better than what the
wonder boit two?

Speaker 3 (56:34):
Okay? Fair enough. We haven't talked about this yet. If
there's anyone getting blowback on the internet for being boring,
Islam is getting some of it. Chefchenko's getting the most
of it. People seem tired of her long island Luke,
have you detected among at least the online fan base,
there's a little bit of Valentina fatigue.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
I gotta be honest. I didn't see anything about thank you,
but BC texted me are you guys? Hi was very
anti chef.

Speaker 2 (57:02):
Of that dude who was like that.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
That's a drop in the bucket from whatever The guy.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Was basically like, you can't get into the UFC with
wrestling a boring style. You have to be exciting. On
the Danaway Contender Series, but yet we were rewarded at
the title love.

Speaker 3 (57:14):
Yeah, well, it's also because the Contender series rules are stupid.
I mean, let's be honest about that. But dude, I
see here taking a bunch of l's online people just
kind of like fed up with the smother what they
in their mind, in their minds, the smother fest that
comes with her fight. This is this is what I'm
trying to say. Somebody who can make a meaningful resistance
of that. Every direction you want to go is fine.

(57:34):
The noon is one is interesting for all the reasons
you articulated, except that the last fight that they had
was butt cheeks.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
If someone had your opinion but they looked like they
were a piece of shit, you would say they have
they hate women, That's why they believe that.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
No, I would take a broader view, speaking of I
would take a broader view. Would I would take a
broader view of their their worldview more broadly in other opinions.
But having I think a diminished opinion relative to twenty
sixteen of the City Women's m A is not only
warranted but frankly rational.

Speaker 2 (58:07):
Okay, I'm here for val trying to make it the
go a conversation, A cemented you know, thing in her
favor because she's in that area where she still got it.
And there are huge fights to our point at one
thirty five.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Do you like the chef Chenko fight with Jeong? Did
I like it? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (58:24):
I was actually, like surprisingly entertained the entire night with
every fight that I was shocked to hear.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
People can't, well, you can't ask this guy.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
I wish I would.

Speaker 5 (58:32):
I hear people were complaining about the Comain and Main.
Comaine is a little more understandable the Main. I do
not get hang with you.

Speaker 3 (58:38):
I didn't hate the Main at all. I understand his
complaints out there. I get it. Comaine, I can understand.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
Well, we kind of felt like it could be a tactical,
not overly exciting fight, even at the best situation, where
if Wiley was just sort of like equalling her on
the striking. But I have to say he was there
in different forms. I was there in the second row.
Maybe it's because it came after a four fight stretch
with the knockouts, the brawl and the crowd where that
UFC two O five, UFC two to seventeen Magic was

(59:02):
back in the garden. It was like, anything can happen.

Speaker 3 (59:04):
Well, the first three fights on the main card work,
I mean.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Counting Bo now Nicol with a Dylan Danis car crash
in between. It was like, holy shit, are we pointing
toward potential, like best card of this era type of feeling.
I wasn't though, let down, because we kind of knew
this could happen. There's some people are saying, if you
kind of know coming in, could this just open the
pay per view main card or is that super district?

Speaker 3 (59:30):
I that's super disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
All right, Dana didn't love the performance from Joangweli. A
lot of us were disappointed. Thought she would do better.
Here's the boss.

Speaker 12 (59:37):
And then, speaking of goat talking again, Valentine Chipchenko another
crazy dominant performance. I saw you did a podcast where
you said that fight would never be boring, and then
it signed out that Valentina just kind of smoked. Curious
your thoughts on that fight as.

Speaker 13 (59:49):
Yeah, I thought that, you know, Wayley's a little pippull.
I thought she would she would be much stronger and
and do better in that fight than she did. One
of my buddies texted me after the fight said this,
this is why we have weight classes.

Speaker 12 (01:00:01):
I mean, Jang's a very strong woman, and Valentina just
kind of threw around like no business. Would you be
interested in Valentina maybe moving back to one thirty five
to try and test herself for UKA with her making
those clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I don't know, I'm not even thinking about that kind
of shit. Wow, he called the shitty's like, I don't
really care about that at all, But obviously he doesn't
actually been that. But interesting. Should Wayley go to one
fifteen and really make Mackenzie Derno unhappy? Or should I
mean when when Valentina was asked, she said, oh no,
she absolutely should stay in this weight class. She belongs here.

(01:00:33):
She's going to be a handful for every single one
of the other girl.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I can believe that she can be compet Let me
be clear, I believe that John Wi Lee can absolutely
be competitive at one hundred and twenty five pounds.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Should they ask val give up the belt and move up?

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
I think if I think, if she's going to go
back to thirty five and I'm and I'm young, and
I'm derong, I stick around.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
But the maybe is Valentina fights a lot. I know
she said she needs a little bit of time off,
but like you get the soul, you go one more
and do the silver fight. And me, it's kind of
the same question we're saying about Perreira. It's to fight
Olberg or do you move on and let Olberg fight
for the vacant title.

Speaker 3 (01:01:04):
It's tough. I mean thirty six too. She has some
questions to ask about thirty six for Wayy Whaley. You know,
to what extent she is going to be, you know,
how much longer she wants to cut the most amount
of weight.

Speaker 2 (01:01:15):
She wouldn't answer the question, despite Joe's it's given credit.
Joe Rogan was going back to the well like, no,
I'm trying to find out if you're going to be
a fight.

Speaker 3 (01:01:21):
Actually respect him for that. He didn't let it go
because most people would just let it go. I'm glad
he didn't.

Speaker 7 (01:01:25):
Well she did.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I have to say. I know it's a cultural difference,
but she was too happy after a loss like that.
She walked by the press table and was like, yeah,
like celebrating like she had won. And I know what,
she's celebrating the idea that she put her best effort
into it and that that's her reputation. She's gonna come
back and do it again, you know, whoever she fights.
But I also wanted to also see like some disappointment,
like you tried hard and really came up empty in

(01:01:46):
this fight and did not look like an all time
great and that's because of chef Chenko being that great dude.

Speaker 3 (01:01:52):
A right, there's a lot to be said for that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
I was for sure about this fight, but me apparently
all right. Let's move it on here to topic number three,
and it's the rest of the UFC three twenty two
main card, which is inevitably a welterweight conversation here after
break through knockouts and near fifty to fifty fight offerings
from one Carlos protest from one Michael Morales. Let's start
off on the nineteen and oh Morales, who scored his

(01:02:14):
third straight explosive stoppage win late in the first round
or was it the second round against Sean Brady? First
round stoppage against Sean Brady who was number two coming
in Luke, the size difference look huge in there. It
was only supposed to be three inches in height six
inches in reach, which is not nothing, but it looked
like something in there. We didn't get a Brady shot

(01:02:37):
in that first round. Ultimately, but Morales did something that
I didn't see this ending coming in, and holy shit,
he delivered. He was poised, he was powerful. He called
for a title shot afterwards. Is he firmly in the
conversation here for a shot at that or are we
instead looking at potentially bringing him in protest and just

(01:02:58):
banging it out look to figure out.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Yeah, I think to me, he needs one more. I've
seen a lot of desire to push Morales into a
title shot, which, to be clear, BC, I mean, he's
on his fucking way. He just dusted the number two
guy in the world, who I have great We both
we have great respect for Sean Brady. And I want
to say one more time, Brady took a huge risk here.
We identified it, I'm sure everyone did when we did

(01:03:20):
Thursday show, and this was either going to go great
for him or blew up in his face. And it
blew up in his face. And that's just the that's
the game he played. What I'll say is BC one thing.
First of all, they look like they were in different
weight classes. I mean, they did not even look like
they were the same. Second of all, I feel like
Michael Morales is like the second coming of Anthony Rumble Johnson. WHOA,

(01:03:42):
he's the power. Remember Rumble. People forget about this. Rumble
was a very good wrestler as well.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Yes, and he was welterwaite, at least at first.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Anyway, he was a welterweight and so to me, like
this guy really reminds me of that. But he's got
a little bit, you know, his own flare, and he's
got Judo to mix in with it. He had a
great idea low stance. People ask why didn't Brady shoot
because he'd have to shoot from a million miles away
based on how they were lined up. It just wasn't
gonna work it. So every time he tried to close
the distance, he got chewed to fucking pieces.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
For it, and he took some big shots before the finish.

Speaker 3 (01:04:12):
Obviously, I was people forget remember you almost got finished
earlier in the round and kind of hung on. I
was like, all right, maybe we're even.

Speaker 2 (01:04:17):
Desperation a double leg attempt to sort of just buy time.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
Dude, you have to what is the ideal distance to
shoot a double leg?

Speaker 2 (01:04:25):
You know when I run the pipe, Luke, what is
the ideal It's.

Speaker 3 (01:04:28):
A very basic question. What is the ideal distance?

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
I'd say four four and a quarter for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:32):
No, the ideal distance is I should be able to
touch you. Okay, this is the distance you can do
it from further, especially if you're going to go with
a bent over posture and then run them into the fence.
You can go further away, but ideal is the same
distance from which you would punch them. So look at
how fucking far away he was. That's a that's not
just low percentage, that's no percentage. But either way it

(01:04:52):
didn't matter. Dude, Morales was probably gonna win that one.

Speaker 14 (01:04:55):
Well.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I like Sean's jab. I liked that he was trying
to box.

Speaker 3 (01:04:57):
He was trying.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
He did look like you know, prime Franki Edgar in
that regard.

Speaker 3 (01:05:01):
But I want to make the point about this clearly.
At twenty five, could you put Morales in front of Islam?
And would it be fun and interesting at least for
a little while? Probably so, probably so, But I feel
like he needs a little bit more seasoning, sure, and
a little bit more time to really round the corner.
You give him prochest PC, how is that not fucking incredible?

(01:05:23):
Or you feed him to rock Monov and let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Oh my god Monov or the winner of I Gary
versus Blah. What a time, dude, what a time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
And every time you think that were done with Walter Wade,
like O, there's you know, Buckley's coming up, but then
Buckley fates, here comes Morales. There's just all these new
entrants into this division. But for me personally, I think
the one that makes the most sense I would love
to see Prochest fight Michael Morales. Winner of that can
get a title shot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Well, Protest earned this step forward in the discussion by
what he did to former champion Leon Edwards in a
fight that did seem competitive or even though we're seeing
that meme going around of Leon won the first round
of yeah, with Leon backpacking him, hitting him in the face,
and Protest is almost like, can we just get this
part over with and then get back to where we
light up some darts and throw some bombs. Well, we
got back to that point and it was an absolutely

(01:06:10):
vicious finish with a right cross in which it didn't
look like Leon almost blinded himself accidentally to the punch
by putting his hand up Luke, and then the punch
came right underneath and hit the spot and then he
hits his head on the back of the canvas going down. Yes,
he lost to Ian Gary. He did rally and save face.
Then he killed Jeff Neil. Now he killed Leon Edwards.

(01:06:33):
I want Protest Morales more than I think I want
most things in this division.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Right now, I do best matchup for Morales.

Speaker 5 (01:06:41):
I mean, it's got to be the Protest, right I
don't think I said this ten minutes ago. I don't
think either guy really has a chance against Islam right now.
So let's just put him together. Yeah, get a fun match.
People want to rush Morales. I'm high on him, but
you gotta be real careful with this stage right now. Which,
by the way, even if you lost it, I mean
he'd be back in a title shot within it, probably
a year or two. Right, It's not the end of
the world, but just to give him the maximum chance

(01:07:02):
to really get there. It's a little too soon, but.

Speaker 2 (01:07:04):
You're thoroughly impressed them with huge words. But because he
had off some resistance there, I.

Speaker 3 (01:07:10):
Mean Roes Prochester. The issue for Prochest though, this is
the problem with that win, is that first I mean,
first of all, it was Trumento dude, and first got
to finish Leon with strikes and dude, it was so heavy,
and then the fact that he got lifted off of
his feet and his head went It's insane. It's insane.
But the issue for me is that neither Jeff Neil
nor Leon Edwards literally Leon a little bit is a

(01:07:31):
true kind of duplicative test of what Islam would prevent
or sorry, would offer. And of course nobody can be Islam,
but you know, Brady for example, would be kind of
a close test. How would you handle something like that?
So to me, I would need to see projest go
up against someone who can Yes, Leon could take him down,
but was just making some errors on the feet. Someone

(01:07:54):
who's a little bit more durable, not on a two
fight losing streak. Now with three, somebody who's on the
rise can be a real threat consistently with the wrestling.
I want to see that you feel.

Speaker 2 (01:08:03):
Bad for Leon because I didn't think physically at thirty
four he was going to be washed, and I'm not
saying I think even that he is. But it's getting
closer here.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Why it's losing so much.

Speaker 2 (01:08:14):
I thought it was a disconnect because we talked a
lot about the last two fights, the title loss and
then the submission lost to Brady, where it just felt
more instead of feeling like, oh, it was a bad
matchup where he caught the right wrong guy at the
right time all that stuff. It was also like you
didn't see the fire in him to bounce back, and
I wondered if there was a mental hiccup, the same
hiccups that I saw at times on the rise up war.
I didn't believe in him until headshot Dead and until

(01:08:36):
that short little run after where he was a legitimate
pound for pounder. He looked pretty damn good in this
fight until suddenly you're focused on his bald spot and
the fact that he's unconscious on the ground, Luke, and
then you're like, yeah, these are three losses, and two
of them devastating. I don't know if you can put
the pieces back together physically and mentally after this type
of loss. I don't you know. That doesn't mean he

(01:08:57):
should retire, that doesn't mean he's not going to win
another fight, but the other version of him that we
used to know, he's not coming through that door anymore.

Speaker 3 (01:09:04):
The reality is he served a really important purpose in
essentially putting to bed the Komaru Kolby era era of welterweight,
and he will always have that.

Speaker 2 (01:09:14):
And it's realogy with hell.

Speaker 3 (01:09:15):
Yeah, it's a very important contribution that he made, but
he is not built for this generation of fighters. Wow, dude,
look what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
You know, Protest though, got a real turn here with
this win. Here's just talking about wanting a title shot.

Speaker 15 (01:09:28):
And I have to ask, did you see Michael Morales's
knockout because he also got one too.

Speaker 3 (01:09:32):
Yeah. You know, mike O is really good.

Speaker 9 (01:09:34):
He's young, He's this strong, really strong guy. But I
think I still more entrenchanding thing he and I think
it's my dive.

Speaker 15 (01:09:45):
What if they because I seem like everyone on the
internet wants to see YouTube fight. Do you think that's
a fight better when one of you is the champion
and then it could be a big main event.

Speaker 3 (01:09:53):
Yeah, I think so about it.

Speaker 9 (01:09:55):
I can fight it whenever the UFC one, you know,
I can, of course, I don't know fight for the belt,
but say you need to fight Michael. You guys need
to fight like a semi final and go to the bat. Okay,
let's go, let's fight.

Speaker 2 (01:10:08):
Okay. I like that attitude here's Michael Morales's response.

Speaker 15 (01:10:11):
To that, the motion for the belt, but Carlos Protest
also wants the title shot. He declared himself the most
entertaining fighter in the division. We asked him about your
fighting goes, You're exciting, he's more exciting and maybe eventually
you can fight, but he would also be willing to
fight you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:27):
Maybe.

Speaker 15 (01:10:27):
In a quote semi finals, man more speaks well to champions.
So what did you make of his win and his comments?

Speaker 11 (01:10:38):
Okay to Porta, the came from that approximate semi final.

Speaker 8 (01:10:53):
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Speaker 11 (01:11:35):
Around completing part and a president you know that's in
the US c owns this one. The USC makes the shots,
makes the calls. They will see who's gonna fight who,
and that's we're just gonna found what they say and listen.
If I'm supposed to fy Parati, Protest, Splocify Ian or Palal,

(01:11:56):
whoever it is, I'll take it. I'm not going to
turn down fight. I want to fight for the highway
if I need to fight one of them. Okay, listen,
I fulfilled my promise. I said I was gonna get
on that kind of the first round.

Speaker 2 (01:12:07):
I got it.

Speaker 11 (01:12:08):
Other fighters didn't fulfill their promise. So whatever the UFC says,
we're gonna fight.

Speaker 2 (01:12:13):
I think that Usman's probably number one has the best
chance of getting this gout company support all that. I
think if Ian Gary wins, he's going to have the
second best chance to get the title shot. I'm not
really sure where shot gut fits in beyond. I think
they're gonna make him win one more for sure. So yes,
make this fight. They're hot, people want them. The loser
won't be won't fall off for good. You just got
a retool and now you'll have an absolute viable contender

(01:12:37):
and one of these two in protests and morales rather
than what we have now, which is two hot guys
on the rise. But you're not fully sure, especially since
we did see projects two fights ago. I mean, that's
what this walterweight division is given us hot menu. Here
is Dana on this topic. Are we getting protest morales?

Speaker 13 (01:12:53):
Next?

Speaker 15 (01:12:54):
The rest of the main card, a couple of starmaking
performances in Mike Morales and Carlos protests. I know, you
guys have always been high on Carlos, but's a put
away leon like that, and you know, calling himself the
most entertaining fighter in the division. Just what did you
make of his kind of you know, like I said,
starmaking performance out there.

Speaker 13 (01:13:10):
Yeah, I mean, listen, when you get these kind of opportunities,
you know, like ewing tonight, I mean, when you get
an opportunity, you come to make the most of it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:19):
And there was a lot of that on the card tonight.

Speaker 15 (01:13:22):
And then speaking of Michael Morales, not just his performance
today but kind of all week. At the press conference,
he kind of came off as a superstar. He got
most of the questions, He's had the longest media day.
There's a ton of Ecuador and media hair specifically for him.
So he's you've got to see money with him moving.

Speaker 13 (01:13:37):
Yeah, listen, he's obviously incredibly he's nineteen and zero, he's
cool as hell, and yeah, he's got he's got he's
got it all. You can check all the boxes with
that kid.

Speaker 2 (01:13:47):
All right, let's check those boxes together.

Speaker 3 (01:13:49):
Right there.

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Speaker 2 (01:15:21):
Look, before I get into topic number four, I did
forget on that main card. How about that lightweight bout
to kick it out? Beneil dry Hush ended up missing weight,
forcing this to be a catchweight out. But he lost
his third in his last four fights, and it only
took sixteen seconds or fifteen I think, is what the
UFC is officially calling it. As the God of War
Ben was Saintani delivered for the third straight time since

(01:15:42):
that two fight, losing skid both by stoppage and damaging
losses physically to Pooria and Moikano. Now he's got three
straight finishes, and he jumped on the cage and did
the discount double check his BSD at age twenty nine
all the way back after this, or do the replace
kind of confirm that maybe Benny's or ear in this.

Speaker 3 (01:16:01):
This doesn't tell us much. I mean, I'm not gone.
It's not a question of all. I don't believe in
BSD per se. It's a question of Derry Us has
taken a lot of damage in his career. Is he's
lost three of his last four, all three of those
via stoppage, all three of those via stoppage in the
first round. He's thirty six years old. It's to me,

(01:16:21):
I have a lot of respect for the career Banil
dery Us, but it looks like it might be time
to start considering an exit plan Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:16:28):
Afterwards, BSD was talking about wanting a BMF title shot.
But here's the deal. In my mind, I wanted to
say this to you. If the UFC comes to a
point where they realize, and they might soon that this
walterweight division is so stacked them, maybe it doesn't make
sense at the moment for Ilia versus Islam. Maybe that
doesn't make any sense. Isn't BSD rising into a lightweight

(01:16:49):
title shot opportunity against Ilia Tuporia one of those just
slam dunk bangers that should be the main event of
a pay per view coming up.

Speaker 3 (01:16:55):
I just feel like to Porio would punch his fucking
lights out within the first couple of minutes.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
I like the Gaichie fight. We kind of have to
see this, even though I'm already pushing him into a
third division fight here if they wanted to go to that,
don't you have to see him against the contenders that
are starting to line up. I know BSD was ranked
fourteen coming in, and I know that's a lot of
this seems to be. I mean, look, BSD got dropped
on a calf kick as he was getting up, he
got hit with a knee, and then he just on
course this overhand. That just one touch and Darius was

(01:17:21):
down talked about the issues against day Yush in terms
of recuperative skills lately, But God of War is marketable.
He's tough as shit. He's gonna make it a fun fight.
Even if you believe that Torporia carves him up, I
still need to pour you against Saryuki and or Gaichee
or Patty.

Speaker 3 (01:17:38):
Or Saryuki is facing Hooker on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:17:41):
We're gonna see. We could see a tour of ilia
in some very interesting fights. You don't consider this one
of them. That's what I'm ultimately asking.

Speaker 3 (01:17:47):
Not right now, Okay, not right now.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
He's got work to do, still true, But I don't
know if I need him in a BMF title fight.
I just need him against a highly ranked guy in
the top ten here.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
I think he's I think he's all the things you
said he is, but whether he's elite is not clear
to me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:05):
All right, I mean he is whatever I say he is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
And if he wasn't Luke, then why would I say?

Speaker 2 (01:18:10):
Hey, Let's go to topic number four? And that is
the UFC three twenty two preliminary card main evented in
a way in the featured prelim by Bo Nickel turning
it back after that disappointing loss to our dr coming
off of to be fair, the disappointing decision when over
a party there from Scotland, Paul Craig, this time against
Rudolfo Vieira, who maybe was there to have this done

(01:18:31):
against him in a rebuilding effort for Bo Nichol's reputation.
Just what nine fights into his MMA career and the
three time NCAA Division One wrestling champion delivered a high
kick knockout, and round three that was brutal came right
after the crowd was booing Bo for not doing enough
offensively and a lot of this fight, Even though a
lot of this fight was Bo breaking Vierra down oppressively

(01:18:54):
with strikes, there was a lot of circling, a lot
of killing time. The crowd did boo, and then we
got Bo jumping up on the Cajun give the double
middle finger? Did you like the fire from bow as
much as you like to finish?

Speaker 3 (01:19:04):
I don't care if he wants to be loved or hated.
I just want him to pick a lane. It doesn't
matter to me either way.

Speaker 2 (01:19:09):
We telling the fans to pick a lane. That's what
the speech was afterwards.

Speaker 3 (01:19:12):
Yeah, but you got it. They'll pick a lane when
you do, you know what I mean. Or they'll force
you into one, I suppose, But either way, I listen.
Obviously the finish is spectacular. I'm gonna say, did I
see a bunch of good things in that fight? Absolutely?
He threw more than overhands. He had some decent combination punching.
He took the fight in terms of the wrestling to

(01:19:34):
Vieira to basically start out the fight right. Better footwork.
There was just a better attitude competitively and a better
assessment and use of the tools of his offense. Both
In going back to the wrestling, I'd like to see
a little bit more of it, but I definitely liked
what I saw, and in the striking some clear improvements
over the just that same boring ass overhand in terms

(01:19:55):
of setting things up, which is exactly what he did.
Those body kicks we see so back in look, Vieira
has a hand up and then the hand going down
because he anticipates is going to the body and it
comes up the other side. He set that up perfectly.
It was brutal. It was vicious by any measurement. So
I think this was a good first step in the
right direction.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
He had that slam takedown, but it was just that
a step, a step.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
They need to build this again, I keep saying with
Morales at twenty five bo I'm not sure what his
age is, but still relatively take your time. However, this
was not that this doesn't change a lot of what
you still learned from the RDR fight, but it's the
path back to erasing that great first step.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
I did actually like the Fire from Bow, even though
I do think some of the criticism is still warranted
about the lack of putting all the skills together, and
he's going to need more fights and maybe more fights
like this to keep, you know, building it all back up.

Speaker 3 (01:20:50):
But the very best ones, though, don't live for the fans.
I know, and I do get there or the media, but.

Speaker 2 (01:20:55):
I do get some of the criticisms that it feels
like when you hear him talk, even though he says
the right things, he said all the right things coming
in this fight, there's some disillusionent level that he believes
his ability is here. And it's not the.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
Part I'm struggling with because he's I'm not saying he's
being fake. I think he's struggling with I want to
be a humble guy and not get out in front
of my skis, but also, fuck your life. I'm better
than all of you, and these two things are now
currently intentioned.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
All right, Let's move on down to Aaron Blanchfield, who
had that fight against Tracy Ortes two ranked flyweights looking
after recent defeats. It was Rose Nominis for Tracy. It
was of course Menon Farrow and that number one Contenders
match for Aaron Blanchfield to see who's stepping forward, and
it was Blanchefield in a big way here by rear
naked choke. But look it did come after almost two
full rounds of Trace Cortes getting the better of her

(01:21:42):
on the feet with the boxing. Very competitive fight, but
it was like Blanchfield went this long stretch without shooting
at all, even though that's her game. But as soon
as she started shooting, the fight was quickly over. After that,
it obviously catapults her into contention. Even Valentina mentioned her name.
What are you convinced yet that she's evolved enough through

(01:22:04):
the loss to get to this point because I was
impressed with the whim. I wasn't impressed with the fight
up until the point that she wanted.

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
She was walking into punches over and over again. The
thing that you realize about Aaron Blanchfield's game why it's
powerful BC. She's kind of just a battering ram. She
just keeps banging on the door until it breaks down.
Then at that point, it's off to the races, but
to do that, it's a little bit ugly to get there,
and I was hoping to see a little bit of
more sophistication in this contest.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
And race also took her down first, Aaron even Scheffell to.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
Her point, you know, she managed it well, but I
would like to see her get her head off the
center line. She was just walking into shit. So this
is the thing it's like. Was was the real naked
choke that she eventually got, which was again didn't have
perfect positioning, but was able to control one of the
arms and then get the throat. That was really great.
I mean, dude, when she she just keeps attacking and

(01:22:56):
eventually she gets through. The problem is against these skilled
operators the top, especially if Valentina stays there, that's a
hopeless fucking way of fighting her. So I appreciate how
well she did in this contest, but the issues that
showed up here would only be magnified against someone like Shivchenko.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Skilled up rator. Is Tracy Cortez overrated? Can we officially how.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
You rated her to begin with? Because she not overrated
it to me, but I.

Speaker 2 (01:23:27):
Didn't rate it by certain elements of her skills, from
the takedown defense and the head movement to the boxing.
She did get hit, you can see it in her face,
like it started to add up. I didn't like how
quickly she succumbed to being put in a situation where
she could be yanked back and choked like that. She
did pretty quick. But it's sort of like she's always
going to be overrated and underrated at the same time.

Speaker 3 (01:23:48):
Yeah, I mean, just judge her by the quality of
the winds. Who did she beat and how did she
beat them? She tends to fade over the course of
about not so much in terms of cardio, but in
focus and in offensive urgency. Against a person like Blanchfield,
you can now see that's a really bad matchup because
Blanchfield's the opposite kind of Tcha Turus like with no.

Speaker 2 (01:24:06):
Tscha Torres like in her prime, with no power. But
she has the rounded out skills in the other areas.

Speaker 3 (01:24:11):
Yeah, but also Tisha had great footwork and we could
keep distance. But that lack of power is well, lack
of power was a big problem for her. So I mean,
again to your point that you raise, here's what you're observing.
You're observing that Tracy Cortez has some real skills. She's
a good, decent anyway athlete certainly, and she can do
things like she can really take people down. She can
put good combinations together. She can look the part. By

(01:24:33):
the time the fight's over. You tend to have as
many questions as you do answers about what it all means,
and it never really seems to graduate from that position.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
I think that's a fair way to say it. Ethan
Ewing Shows stole the show on eight days. Notice there.

Speaker 3 (01:24:46):
He has a big ass head and face doesn't mean.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
Yes he does, and he went in with a big
ass performance. I thought I was assured he was going
to get I don't even want to say robbed on
the score cards because I felt like, I'm like, I
don't know. It was a close fight in some key areas,
but I kind of thought that would it would be
one of those situations where like, hey, I want to
see him again. I was impressed with that effort. No,
he got the win, and it did turn out that
it was deserved in the end against big time prospect

(01:25:09):
despite being thirty one years old, Malcolm Wellmaker Luke. This
was refreshing to see somebody who had just fought in
Anti Pettis's promotion the week before, in the main event
and a championship fight, and turns it around like this
to change his life, his fortunes, his reputation, his name
and one all in one night and kind of kind
of fraud checking well Maker in the process. But then

(01:25:30):
I saw people being like man UFC got caught here
with the matchmaking. No, I felt like a really cool
development happened, and now here's a guy I want to
see again.

Speaker 3 (01:25:38):
I do think this was a bad loss for well Maker.

Speaker 2 (01:25:41):
Yeah, he walked into shit continuously he had.

Speaker 3 (01:25:44):
He had several problems in this fight. One was I
cannot him.

Speaker 2 (01:25:48):
I wasn't all in on him. Maybe maybe that's why
I find I was.

Speaker 3 (01:25:51):
I was intrigued by him all into strong word. He
had the same problem. Bo Nickel did a little bit
which was neither of them have a jab. It blows
my fucking who is training MMA, especially if you're in
your twenties early twenties, mid twenties, Who is training MMA
right now at that stage and you're not making your
jab the centerpiece of your offense? Look at me, You're

(01:26:12):
fucking up. If you're not doing it.

Speaker 2 (01:26:13):
You're fucking off head for your moment.

Speaker 3 (01:26:15):
The other part too. Oh, this is what killed me
about Wallmaker. He kept trying to do shoulder rolling. That's
what it looks like if someone tries to do shoulder
rolling and they don't know how to shoulder roll, where
they get hit the entire way anyway, or he doesn't
really add anything. They just kind of move through the
process of getting hit. That killed me. He was overly
reliant on He's got a devastating right hook. That right

(01:26:37):
hook is fucking his money maker. And by the way,
he rung Ewing's bell a couple times as well, but
he overly relied on it. But really do the story
is Ewing. Ewing just took the fight to him all
the way through. Would had a diversified attack, had a
Wellmaker backing up, just put punches in his face, even
if all of them weren't devastating, and even.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
When he would get lit up, he would have an answer.

Speaker 3 (01:26:58):
He would have an answer, and he just kind of
broke through. I'm not gonna say he broke well Maker,
but he certainly put him on a place that Willmaker
was just not expecting. Did not seem very comfortable. And
just didn't have a lot of answers in the end,
exactly real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
Fatima Klein against Angela.

Speaker 3 (01:27:14):
Hill, she looked great. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
She lost her UC debut to Jasmine Jazz Davisius came
back with two straight knockouts and then in here, skill
for skill across the board, she was very far ahead
of the Angela Hill level and seems to be pointing
upwards in the.

Speaker 3 (01:27:26):
Speat her everywhere. Maybe could have stopped her or got
pretty close earlier in.

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
The bowch shouted out Hajeseus.

Speaker 3 (01:27:30):
Afterwards, shout about Jesus, you know, as an American, so
to the extent that that's important for the industry, something
to keep keep in mind. You see, I thought she
looked great. She looked devastating, dangerous, well rounded. There wasn't
a place and Angela Hill is tough as shit, so
you know, it's a little hard to put her away,
and some of the very best into the world have
not been able to do it. But to beat her

(01:27:53):
so comprehensively says a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:27:55):
All right, let me hear who was your other person
to get your attention to shine? Is it a blonde
dyed hair Kyle Dawkas in this return in which he
won his sake straight second in a row in the UFC.
There is it Pat Sabatini getting a big win here
despite some damage.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
It's definitely not gonna be Bison.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
People hate him right now.

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
He happened because he acts like he's Kobe and he's
fighting in the G League. It's like, get it together
a little bit.

Speaker 2 (01:28:21):
And was he really down on the scorecards in this fight.
I mean, mcconico was in it, was landing, but I
didn't feel like he was, Like.

Speaker 3 (01:28:27):
I never thought mcconica was really in it, but no,
he was competitive, but I feel like he was winning. Yeah,
I didn't think he was putting it on Susir Kayev.
But Susir Kayev just has this kind of attitude like
I'm above all of these guys, and I'm like, based
on what because you beat up some guys on Contender series,
Like who gives a fuck? Anyway? Kyle dawkas dude more
than against Copylif Hobocup was good against Copylov, copy Loov

(01:28:49):
just kind of seems out of it. He kept they
had open stands and he kept leaning inside in the
open stands and then just getting lit up for it,
so he's a little one note with that. But dude,
Kyle daucas again, you know, what does it mean to
be Jerald Shark, who I also think is sort of
getting closer to the end year.

Speaker 2 (01:29:02):
He only has twenty one career losses.

Speaker 3 (01:29:04):
Luke is getting a little bit closer to the end here.
But Kyle Dakas got bounced from the UFC, as you mentioned,
had a long road back, gets back and has two
wins in a row, two first round wins in a
row two first round obviously finishes in a row. Tremendous return.
And by the way, it looks better like it's not
just that he's beating Oh you're back and now you're
beating guys. He's looking smooth and efficient with his boxing.

(01:29:25):
I absolutely think he's brought it along. Shouts to Kyle
Dwkas a fun little win.

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
B It was a great nutty. Even with if you
were not interrow, if you lost your bets and you
were not entertaining in the final two fights, even with that,
this was a well matched card. You know, I don't
really pop for their gate records because I know the
price is just keeping getting jacked up. But like the
crowd was awesome. It was a damn brawl in there
for you know. Unfortunately didn't look like too many people

(01:29:50):
got hurt that didn't deserve it. Luke you know or
whatever didn't have it coming. By the way, On that note,
Javia Mendez was on Submission Radio today in which he
claims that Dylan Danis was showing went to the section
where all the Dagistan fighters were sitting, put his phone
up and was showing an AI image of Islam and
Ali kissing doing porn and then also was like mocking

(01:30:14):
the religion, like I have no sympathy for this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:30:17):
You want to should we have?

Speaker 2 (01:30:18):
No, We'll do that. Have you seen this shit?

Speaker 3 (01:30:19):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:30:20):
Sorry, I was jumping the gun right there. I loved
it long. Can I get your closing thoughts on UFC
three twenty two anybody we overlooked here in our analysis
or just like it felt like Mma was back, dude,
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:30:30):
It was a great night. I don't know if it's
just because we were there BC, but I felt like
a new energy man. It was, yes, But I do
want to say that, uh ship, what were we just
talking about?

Speaker 3 (01:30:39):
I'm blanking who else on the card? Impressed you.

Speaker 12 (01:30:41):
Uh.

Speaker 5 (01:30:43):
I feel like you guys covered everything. It was something else. Yeah,
I'm blanking them all right.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
I was great talking to you though.

Speaker 3 (01:30:47):
I'm glad you're here.

Speaker 2 (01:30:51):
All right, let's go to topic number five. This won't
take long. Even though the fight took twelve rounds. I
got to give them credit here. The rematch Chris you
Bank Junior versus Connor Ben the try at Tottenham hotspurts
Stadium felt a lot like the first fight, which to
me was the fight of the year back in April,
one of the craziest fights of this decade in terms
of just drama presentation. The rematch didn't turn that way

(01:31:12):
despite Luke. That walkout of that was Chris you Bank Jr.
With his dad next to him. He's wearing a fur coat,
fifty said, walking out in the stadium like fire works gone.

Speaker 3 (01:31:25):
I mean, fifty taken a few l's recently. He went out.
He went. He was opposite mom, Donnie. That didn't go great,
and now here he is walking out with you Bank, who.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Looked terrible, but that moment was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:31:36):
That's one of the better walkouts I've seen it in
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:31:38):
They set the stage for what they got, But what
they got in the end was a weight during Chris
U Bank Junior for the second straight time accepting the
rehydration clause. This time you saw the effects of it
more than his decision win in the first round in
the first meeting. This one went the distance, but it
was a wide unanimous decision win for Connor Ben. So Luke,
what do we really say about this?

Speaker 3 (01:31:58):
Because what the fuck was that once sixteen scorecard? Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Eight rounds to four?

Speaker 3 (01:32:02):
Yeah, but what what four rounds did?

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Fucking Bank got dropped in twice in round twelve, could
have been stopped. There was just beaten to the punch
thro route. It's like one narrative I'm seeing coming off
is what a waste of time? No need to even
talk about it. You Bank was weight drained. Maybe he
wasn't weight drained on the level of Oscar against Manny,
but he was weight drained and he was really never
in this. I also think you got to give Connor

(01:32:24):
Ben respect because he's fighting against the middleweight at one sixty.
Yes with the rehidration clause, but he once again was
the puncher and took it to him. That's why I
picked him to win by decision. I just didn't think
it would be this one sided. Where are you leaning
in your Ultimately? What did we learn from this event?

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
People are making the wrong argument about the weight rehydration
because what they're saying is, well, he agreed to it,
and if it negatively affected him, then that's just the
risk that he accepted. Now, that is true, and I
agree with that part, But they keep not realizing there
are a finite amount of times you can drain yourself
the way he did to make the first fight and
the way in which he did, plus the nature of

(01:33:01):
that fight, and then the nature of the controversial amount
of speedy recovery he was entitled to with the ambulance
not being able to leave the arena. How true it is,
I don't know, but certainly at a bare minimum, the
weight cut itself, and then the brutal fight itself. Dude,
when Teddy Atlas says things like guys leave a piece
of themselves in the ring every time they go, that's
always true, and that was especially true. He clearly is

(01:33:23):
not the same person anymore. He should not be fighting well.
I mean, he needs to find a weight where he
doesn't have to do this anymore, because this is a
path to nothingness. He cannot beat anyone good in this
state at that weight class.

Speaker 2 (01:33:39):
No he should. If you want to keep fighting, he
should use his name. Go back up to sixty eight.

Speaker 3 (01:33:42):
Take totally totally. So I agree with you that Ben
clearly looked ready to go and fine tune some things.
I absolutely thought he was just a little bit more precise, Yes,
a little bit more patient, a little bit more careful.
But I'm sorry it takes someone blind to not notice

(01:34:03):
that you Bank looked like he was moving underwater. And
there's no way to watch this fight without taking that
into account.

Speaker 2 (01:34:09):
Here's you Bank reacting to his defeat.

Speaker 14 (01:34:13):
Yeah, I've been through helen back to make it here today.
I genuinely thought that, regardless of the issues that I've
been dealing with, I would be able to go in
there and when you use my boxing skills, use what
you guys saw in that first fight to be comed

(01:34:35):
in from that first round. I realized that I was mistaken.
But it's okay. You know, I'm a finding this is
what I do, regardless of you know, the dangers and
the uh the risk, you know, we go to what

(01:34:59):
that's what we do. I tried my best Connor Ben
on a hand of a fight.

Speaker 2 (01:35:04):
He did put on a hell of a fight. Luke
Ben should get a big fight off of this. This
was a comeback, you know, win regardless of all that,
on a very big stage. Should it be at forty
seven where he did his best work at scene but
had ped issues. Should it be at fifty four where
when he was I guess Klan, he looked not the best,
But in these fights have dramatically recharged his value. I

(01:35:26):
think it's made him a better fighter. These are difficult challenges,
even with the rehydration, especially the first fight against you Bank.
There's a lot of big names out there. How do
you cash in on this? If you're Connor Ben and
you're Eddie Heard.

Speaker 3 (01:35:38):
I don't personally care which way class it is, but
I think if you've been this big for now this long,
going right back to forty seven seems like a bad idea.
I think, no matter what, the next fight has to
be at fifty four. Now, how they do that? Do
they tune up a guy? Do they give him something
a little bit more illustrious with an opponent that people
really care about. I don't know how to answer that one,

(01:36:00):
but at forty seven, next seems like suicide.

Speaker 2 (01:36:02):
But at fifty four, we have a lot of names,
but we haven't gotten to the point where they've all
fought to figure out who the number one guy is.
The you guys who don't have titles, Boot Sennas and
Virgil Ortiz, we're talking about sometimes at a higher level
than Fondora or Mertizaliev. I don't know if any single
fight against any of those names really is a event yet, though.

Speaker 3 (01:36:22):
But I'm gonna make something up.

Speaker 2 (01:36:24):
You're gonna say Errel Spencer.

Speaker 3 (01:36:25):
Yeah, yeah, Eryl Spence.

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
I kind of like that.

Speaker 3 (01:36:27):
I kind of like that, kind of true, kind of
like that. I think that'd be an interesting one.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
M Charlo.

Speaker 3 (01:36:35):
Okay, all right, I take it.

Speaker 2 (01:36:37):
Okay, those aren't soccer stadium fights, but they're big.

Speaker 3 (01:36:40):
But they're big. And also the Charlo's always got a
chip on their shoulders, so they'd make it a little
bit chick.

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
It would make it spicy.

Speaker 6 (01:36:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:36:47):
Yeah, Hey, they tried on Saturday. I don't need a
trilogy if you want to do it. At the end,
I mean you almost even.

Speaker 3 (01:36:52):
Ben said afterwards, were done.

Speaker 2 (01:36:54):
First win in the family series for the Ben family.

Speaker 3 (01:36:57):
Yeah, but even then they said we're done and I
don't need to see them fight again.

Speaker 2 (01:37:01):
No Turkey teas, some big announcements for next year. I
didn't think this was a great undercard, but whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:37:07):
Jason Satham was there.

Speaker 2 (01:37:09):
Yeah, yeah, Rod Stewart too, We'll get the.

Speaker 3 (01:37:11):
H Rod Stewart looks the same in the last age.

Speaker 2 (01:37:15):
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Speaker 2 (01:40:17):
Indeed, right there, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:18):
Why were you making that face when I was doing
the read?

Speaker 2 (01:40:21):
I don't remember at that moment, Luke, You know I
make different faces at different times. Look, due to our
late start, you can blame antrak for that. We will
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Speaker 3 (01:40:30):
Sorry about that.

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Sorry, don't forget that. You can reach out to our
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an ambitious and overloading set of shit. As I scoured

(01:40:52):
the globe on Sunday for the good, the bad, the ugly,
the you know all that stuff combat sports. Beyond that, Luke,
I wanted to show you the most viral videos available
to a man these days. Get your reaction. This one's
called have you seen this Ship?

Speaker 3 (01:41:15):
By the way, I have to take a big ass
dump when this is over.

Speaker 2 (01:41:19):
This is great, thank you for sharing that. By the way,
the no ship bathroom is back, but still no ship.
I'm just gonna the same, okay, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:41:27):
Randy klaid In uh In was a kingpin. Yes when
he took a ship in the pissar. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
Look, this is one of the This UFC three twenty
two is a big theme on today's Have you Seen
This Ship? But how about has Bulah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:38):
Who was part of the Why did he have a DoorDash?

Speaker 5 (01:41:41):
We watch this?

Speaker 2 (01:41:42):
Luke, your dasher sending proof your order was delivered. I
don't know, Luke, but it was brilliant. See how happy
he was in the videos of him, like eating that
famous forty five dollars pizza backstage with a meb. Two
of them were just found in the corner like just
pay all right. It was very cute, Luke. This was

(01:42:04):
my own celcam footage from cage side after the bow
Nickel preliminary. This is me filming this. Watch the security
guard right there, the old guy. He's gonna get kicked
in the face by Dylan Dan. It's coming up. Oh,
I didn't capture it in full, but this shoes. Yes,
this was sort of the tail end of this Danis

(01:42:24):
brawl against uh, the entire extended Islam mahaf team. Where
As Dana said all the Muslims in.

Speaker 3 (01:42:30):
The world or whatever he said, you called them the
Muslim brotherhood, yes, which I know he didn't mean bad
by it. That is a specific group that's not so nice.

Speaker 2 (01:42:38):
That is not so nice. So uh Chunko aka John
Pork was a big part that I saw Muslim Solikov.
We'll get to that. Abu kar Yeah, there was all
that part of it. And as we're talking about on
this extended like this is a stupid story. It was
a quick thing. Luckily no one got seriously hurt. I
just can't believe how many people are defending Dylan Danis

(01:43:00):
and trying to completely victimize it.

Speaker 3 (01:43:03):
Is true that like just because he has trolled people
does not allow does not mean that they have a
right to physically assault him.

Speaker 2 (01:43:13):
I'm not living full on on the creed of what
the Augustine has been saying in interviews after of like
you said one bad thing about us once, Yes, next
time we see you will kill you.

Speaker 3 (01:43:20):
He is right in that sense. But when you're showing
up like you know, poking the bear right right, This
is my point. If you're coming up and your goal
is to This is the argument against Dannis, which is
he is quite clearly he's not famous anymore because of
his fighting exploits BC. He's a provocateur. Congratulations, you provoked.

Speaker 2 (01:43:40):
Him, Yes, you got what you paid for.

Speaker 3 (01:43:42):
This is they don't have a right to touch him.
I understand, I get it. I'm not defending it. I'm
simply saying here in the real world, if you provoke people,
do they respond? Yeah, so sometimes they do.

Speaker 2 (01:43:56):
Even though danis exited in cuffs, Dana and the post
far press conference said he wasn't going to press charges.
A lot of people then journalists even got after me
and say, I'm like, why didn't you guys push First
of all, I wasn't even at the post by press conference.
I was doing HQ in the hotel room. But they
were like, why didn't you guys push him? To see
why those guys didn't get arrested? Again, you show up
in the fighter seats, you leave your seats to sit
in fighter seats, and you're trying to stay.

Speaker 3 (01:44:17):
They got kicked out too. They watched, they did, they
had to watch, so they.

Speaker 2 (01:44:20):
Came back after the fight, and then security instantly got around.
Here's a reverse angle where you get to see some
of Chonko aka Magomed Zanikoff, who really sto entire weekend.
He's got a hat on there. But this was sort
of the behind view of how it did kick off,
and once it kicked off, it got crazy fast and
spread over to the the media section, spread into the

(01:44:42):
area around the octagon. Again, I'm not saying like this
is Look there's a chair involved.

Speaker 3 (01:44:47):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (01:44:47):
I'm not saying this is great from Team Islam. This
is not great behavior. But this is an extension of
UFC two twenty nine. It really is, right.

Speaker 3 (01:44:55):
So I just want to say, Dylan Danis has been
involved in two of the most famous brawls in crowd
brawls in UFC history.

Speaker 2 (01:45:02):
Yes, and he's a He's a cloud chaser who shows
up at miss you know, misfits boxing and gets in
in fights in the parking lot Long Island.

Speaker 3 (01:45:10):
Where are you on the Danis equation?

Speaker 5 (01:45:13):
I mean, I was oblivious to all this shit even
going down till I saw BC's tweet like two hours
after it happened. But uh yeah, I'm not high on
the guy at all.

Speaker 3 (01:45:21):
Like I said, you can't assault people for what they say.
You shouldn't do it. And if they had press charges, fine,
But at the same time, dude, if you try to
piss people off, listen, I had, I had, I had
someone explain this to me once. If you try your
best to piss people off, you do not get to
act surprise when you succeed.

Speaker 2 (01:45:39):
Well period. Well look, John Pork whether he doesn't like
so technically he doesn't like to be called John Pork,
which is an Italian brain rock character. My son's into
it huge. I know people are connecting it to the
Muslim religion and you know, and I get that, but
he has become an overnight sensation reality. His nickname is Chanco,
which is the name of his village in Dagistan. According
to Islam, that's what they call him. His real name
is what Myanakov is a former you know, recognized sambo champion,

(01:46:05):
won his Danawite Contender series. Is probably been a good fighter,
but I don't think anyone, including him, expected this takeoff
this week. When I sat down at media Day, my
first question Islam was like, is that John Pork over there?
And like they brought him over? They were kind of
he's a meme, dude, He's a meme, but like to
the level of overnight celebrity. Here's him after the brawl,
posting a picture with horaey Masvil with bloody knuckles. That

(01:46:26):
just continues because he beat up a guy most people
don't like, and he did get big shots in on that.
And here is on Friday at the at the press conference.
Was this No at the way and sorry wait.

Speaker 5 (01:46:37):
No, this was the press conference on Thursday.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Thursday's press conference. Holy shit, listen to this reaction. It's ridiculous,
but I love it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:54):
Good for him, Good for him.

Speaker 2 (01:46:56):
So even I took a picture and and people are like, oh,
you're being disrespectful, call him John Port, I was like,
that's all I knew him as, all right when I
took this picture. He was cool, he laughed. I told
him much out for Timmy cheese and uh whatever. But
even if we're going to move to Shanko, dude, this
do better take advantage of this because because this is uh,
this is an overnight starter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:14):
You can meme your way to start him so fast.

Speaker 2 (01:47:16):
Yeah, there we go. My family.

Speaker 5 (01:47:17):
I just want to say pre press conference, they cheered
for him probably ten different times, like every five minutes.
They would start the cheer and then he'd walk over
and get like a huge ovasion.

Speaker 2 (01:47:26):
I mean, it's involved in the connected of the overall,
like what the hell are we doing with six seven
and all this stupidness. It's stupid, It's stupid as shit.
Sometimes you can use that to Uh, and I think
he has escalated that. Look elsewhere at UFC three twenty two,
Reel recognized real when Polton uh stepped away from his
accounting job to take this picture with Big a Bang.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
Yeah they did.

Speaker 2 (01:47:48):
Joan Joula was there for, of course, to check out
Jeong Wyley. He was sitting with the leech, who was uh,
Big a Bang Oh cool Chinese power.

Speaker 3 (01:47:57):
Yeah, you don't have to call him big a Bank.

Speaker 2 (01:47:59):
That's how he pronounces it.

Speaker 5 (01:48:00):
I know the leech train with Wayley or anything. I
know they're both Chinese, but he was like with her
at media day and all that stuff, so I don't
know if he's with her.

Speaker 2 (01:48:09):
John Wood was in the corner of Whaley. Yes, yes, okay,
even though brad Redelle seemed to do a good part
of that training camp in Thailand. This was the Charles
the Carlos protest. Excuse me, Marlborough designed car that was
making its way around NYC. Proctice said, it's not his car,
but look what do you make of this? Protest, of course,
also said that the UFC would not allow a tobaccos.

Speaker 3 (01:48:28):
I mean, that's cool as ship. I've never thought cigarettes
were cool. I meant, excuse me. I haven't thought cigarettes
were cool in a very long time, but this is
making me reconsiderate.

Speaker 2 (01:48:35):
Hashtag the fight nerds. He's everyone's favorite fight nerd during
a time when everyone's turning on the fight.

Speaker 3 (01:48:40):
You know, well, he's also winning, so that helps.

Speaker 2 (01:48:42):
Okay. Speaking of protest Luke, everyone loves him, even in
Ian Gary's son Leo, come here.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
The Kama has a question for you. Who is your
favorite fighter?

Speaker 3 (01:48:58):
Kelly's nat.

Speaker 6 (01:49:00):
Imagine being a man up for twenty twenty three and
a half minutes and then leaving the fight and your
son's favorite fighters the other.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
Cool The media shut it in. That's the most cuck
thing about him. The other stuff I don't give a
shit about that.

Speaker 2 (01:49:18):
That's Islam. Fight week would not be complete. Neither would
a Poeton or Chamaia one without picking on d C.

Speaker 3 (01:49:24):
Right, okay, all they all call him fat.

Speaker 2 (01:49:27):
I mean this is this was herbibh taking DC down
before he was ready at the at the practice gym.
Let's check it out.

Speaker 3 (01:49:33):
Let's go, d see, Let's go.

Speaker 8 (01:49:35):
Don't push my face?

Speaker 2 (01:49:37):
Please?

Speaker 5 (01:49:37):
Why because how can you ask to grapple not be
your face to get touched?

Speaker 3 (01:49:42):
So you try to bully? This is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:49:45):
I don't need to.

Speaker 8 (01:49:47):
I'm looking like to it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:49):
You're like babies.

Speaker 4 (01:49:49):
No, you're not baby.

Speaker 2 (01:49:52):
Let's they love him.

Speaker 3 (01:49:54):
You take mom, you take the see, dude, the door
styles in d C. It is the best, buddy, because
it's great.

Speaker 2 (01:50:02):
I've ever seen a long time come getting help.

Speaker 3 (01:50:07):
Police. I'm telling you, dude, these guys.

Speaker 2 (01:50:15):
The beams owner in here. But he's been training like yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (01:50:17):
Mean also, you know DC is real fat. Yeah, I've
been grappling for two years exactly speaking. These guys, they're
broken English. I'm telling you, it makes them funnier and more.

Speaker 2 (01:50:27):
It's almost like Triple G but with a harder edge.

Speaker 3 (01:50:29):
Yes, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
And then here is when they sat down, Islam had
another you know, intervention about his weight.

Speaker 3 (01:50:35):
Brother, I'm happy that you're building a lot of colors.
I always, always, always I live weight. You comment, you say,
this guy work hard.

Speaker 8 (01:50:45):
When I see you for something inside the gym, I'm
like really happy. Why because brother, people look at you
and thinking this is like one of the best fighter
of all the them.

Speaker 2 (01:50:55):
And it was even when I fighting, people think this.

Speaker 3 (01:51:01):
When the fight thing, it looks good man.

Speaker 2 (01:51:03):
Yeah, I know I look good now too. Oh that's great.

Speaker 3 (01:51:07):
That's their whole stick is hilarious to me.

Speaker 2 (01:51:10):
Let's go out to England fit check. Update on one
Versace Rick Reno Luke, who is called this week on
an X everything from timu Elton John to a man
cause playing as his sixty year old Nana's handbag.

Speaker 3 (01:51:22):
How did he end up here.

Speaker 2 (01:51:26):
Turkey's elevation?

Speaker 3 (01:51:27):
Do you understand like this is only a way that
you dress if you're you lost a bet? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:51:34):
Do you think he looks like Nana's handbag or what.

Speaker 3 (01:51:38):
He Honestly, he looks like missus doubtfire without the mask, right.

Speaker 2 (01:51:45):
Oh, Ricky. Speaking of grandparents, it's time for some quick
elder abuse, Luke. We haven't had this in a while.
Watch out Grandpa is on the rascal again, a rascal
king do it again? Okay, Grandma hit the brakes, please
hit the brakes, right, Yeah, no remorse either, all right,

(01:52:08):
not giving a Let's go to the gender reveal. But
you gotta protect the boiler when you do these things, right, Luke,
what do you think it would be a girl or
a boy?

Speaker 3 (01:52:16):
Here, that's a boiler with a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52:18):
No, boiler's in the orange to the right, that's her daughter. Oh,
it's gonna be a boy.

Speaker 3 (01:52:24):
It's gonna be Ay. Just macing the fuck out of
her with this.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
The great muta mists spin all over your face. That's fantastic.
We're gonna go. Also, hear about grandma in the back seat.

Speaker 5 (01:52:40):
You guys, ever been smoking a cigarette? Flick the butt
out the window.

Speaker 15 (01:52:46):
Going down the freeway, like four or five minutes later,
you smell something disgusting coming from the back, so you look.

Speaker 3 (01:52:55):
Grandma's back their finger in her Okay, I.

Speaker 2 (01:52:59):
Don't know what I was supposed to prove, Luke, A
you're gonna wear this to the Christmas Thomas Family Christmas
party or no.

Speaker 3 (01:53:06):
You jingle my bells, I'll give you a white Christmas.
I don't know if my wife would like that too much.

Speaker 2 (01:53:11):
Okay, Look this was found on the streets of Miami.
They call it the Gluckluck Mobile. Would you drive this?

Speaker 3 (01:53:20):
That's that Donald Trump Bill.

Speaker 14 (01:53:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:24):
It was also a big week for Rod Stewart Luke First,
Stuart's forty five year old son Sean made his pro
boxing debut at a Misfits card in Nashville. Bend the
bane on the call and watch what happens fifteen seconds
in against somebody called b Dave.

Speaker 3 (01:53:38):
I'm afraid of the power.

Speaker 14 (01:53:40):
Oh oh.

Speaker 3 (01:53:42):
Son be day flatline Rod Stuart Son in round one.
He's got a mullet doing the little bit in a
boxing match against a forty five year old man the call, dude,
that's an American as it gets.

Speaker 2 (01:54:03):
The eighty year old Rod Stewart was also front row
at U Bank Ben two in London, sitting next to
Pierce Brosnan and Michael Buffer.

Speaker 3 (01:54:11):
Dude, how does Rod Stewart look the same as he
did when I was a kid? No fucking insane.

Speaker 2 (01:54:16):
Rod's boxing biop.

Speaker 3 (01:54:18):
Like Michael Buffer looking a little bit like the grip
keeper these days looking like a.

Speaker 2 (01:54:22):
Wax version of himself. Stuart's boxing biopic also hit theaters
this week, with Sydney Sweeney playing the lead role.

Speaker 3 (01:54:29):
Luke, why is that fucking dog being held like that? Rod?

Speaker 2 (01:54:35):
Looks like you can still fight though, right.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Just disappointment Sydney's.

Speaker 2 (01:54:41):
That's Christy Martin.

Speaker 3 (01:54:42):
Luca, Oh yeah, right, that's Christy Martin.

Speaker 2 (01:54:45):
Yeah, yeah, you catch that all right?

Speaker 3 (01:54:47):
I didn't even recognize her.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
Yeah, yeah, thank you very much. Right there, Luke. We
know you love to read, so how about this for
a Christmas idea?

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Uh, how to fart into your hand and release it
into someone's nose.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
It's easy reading there, Luke. Also, I know you're always
talking ship about zuck but Luke, he will kick your ass,
including according to Dana.

Speaker 13 (01:55:09):
By the way, to people talk about Zuckerberg, Zuckerberg is
actually a great athlete.

Speaker 2 (01:55:13):
He trains and m m a serfs.

Speaker 13 (01:55:16):
He does all this ship.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
You know, everybody.

Speaker 13 (01:55:20):
Will beat the ship out of you. Okay, everybody thinks
he's some you know, some computer nerd. Mark Zuckerberg will
beat the living.

Speaker 3 (01:55:28):
Ship out of you.

Speaker 2 (01:55:29):
All these guys that talk stuff about him on the internet,
who would have won? Listen, that's Elon is as much
older than.

Speaker 4 (01:55:40):
No.

Speaker 3 (01:55:40):
He wouldn't. I'd beat that motherfucker within an inch of
his life?

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Would you? Would you put him in a submission hold?

Speaker 3 (01:55:47):
I would fuck him up? Six waist Sunday.

Speaker 2 (01:55:50):
I mean he took he took a poton down Lucas.
Time to play rate that tat one to ten ten
being awesome. They call this one the face to face tat.

Speaker 3 (01:56:01):
Well, that's the worst tattoo.

Speaker 2 (01:56:03):
It's kind of well done, right, Why would you do that?

Speaker 3 (01:56:07):
I don't face, I don't know what are you going to?
You move closer to the mic?

Speaker 2 (01:56:10):
What do you give that? A four?

Speaker 3 (01:56:12):
A's a negative eight?

Speaker 2 (01:56:13):
Okay? All right, let's go to this leg tat, Luke.
There's a lot of detail on this. How would you
rate that one to ten?

Speaker 3 (01:56:22):
You know what, it's actually a great tattoo. That's an eight.
That's an eight and a half.

Speaker 2 (01:56:27):
Okay, okay uh. And also, Luke, check out this tip
on tip back tat.

Speaker 3 (01:56:35):
Wow, man, can you imagine going to the tattoo place
and being like, I need this fucking bullshit? Yeah, a
little sisteine chapel kind of I mean that's a five,
you know, all.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
Right, Luke, it's crazy out there on the streets. These days,
you gotta be careful who you flip off. You know
you don't want to do You don't want to press people.
You don't want to show Augustan people pictures of Ali
and kissing on Ai.

Speaker 3 (01:56:57):
You know, morning driver may be drinking off possible, that
is a real problem.

Speaker 2 (01:57:02):
And Luke, here's your shuttle driver today.

Speaker 3 (01:57:06):
Your shuttle bus driver is Hugo at the.

Speaker 2 (01:57:12):
Unit of that.

Speaker 3 (01:57:13):
Yeah, I'm not sure how helpful that isn't getting from
point A to point B, but good to know.

Speaker 2 (01:57:16):
The Bud Crawford World Tour saw real getting real with
him and Oo Sick listen.

Speaker 6 (01:57:20):
In Stop.

Speaker 2 (01:57:31):
Talk about and Boxing.

Speaker 3 (01:57:33):
They clearly have an admiration for each other.

Speaker 2 (01:57:35):
Absolutely raw Dog Royval hit the podcast scene and was
asked about the potential flight at the White House.

Speaker 3 (01:57:41):
You want to fight at the White House.

Speaker 5 (01:57:43):
I'm sure every fighter wants that, or maybe not, maybe
there's some No.

Speaker 7 (01:57:46):
I don't give at fighting the White House. I want
to fight in front of big crowds.

Speaker 13 (01:57:49):
Bro.

Speaker 7 (01:57:49):
It's like, how big can the White House even like
have of a stadium? That's like is that outside too?
It's like, I'm pretty sure it's only going to be
like invited people, So it's not going to be like
true mm A, yeah, yeah, bro, I don't. I don't
give about any of our political figures right now, and
it's like to fight in front of them just seems
like some hunger games type, Like I don't give a

(01:58:10):
fight in front of a bunch of billionaires and rich
people that give a shit less about me and throwing parlays.

Speaker 4 (01:58:16):
It's like, what do you guys?

Speaker 7 (01:58:17):
I want to fight in front of people that are
raw Dog fans, are fans of then May and like
you know that are like that could relate to me.
It's like, I'm not trying to fight these all these politicians.
So in my opinion, like I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:58:32):
Look, that was hot Chips podcast, dude, that went viral
as ship. Have you noticed that I have all the
political websites picked it up?

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Is he the hero we need? Luke?

Speaker 3 (01:58:42):
People are trying to make it there's a little bit
of an undertone to politicization politicization of it, But I'm
gonna point out.

Speaker 2 (01:58:47):
Is and I don't mean a hero we need on
which side? I just mean, like, is should the White
House even be a part of Well?

Speaker 3 (01:58:52):
This is what I'm saying. His request was I want
to fight in front of real fans. Yeah, seems pretty
fair to me, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:58:58):
Playing a competitive sports is very dangerous these days, so
watch your kids. Let's first go to the soccer field.
Check out this indoor soccer trick shot attempt by this guy.

Speaker 3 (01:59:07):
Pretty cool, right, Yeah, what a stupid ass sport.

Speaker 2 (01:59:11):
Oh yes, uh, I like soccer. But what about football, Luke?
Check out this touchdown celebration.

Speaker 3 (01:59:18):
That's the Ronaldo celebrate. Oh, that's the Ronaldo celebration.

Speaker 2 (01:59:23):
Yeah, I'll never walk again. Let's go to Maryland basketball.
Here's Pharrell pain pain being the operative word here. Luke
is not a I by the way, Oh God.

Speaker 3 (01:59:35):
Oh Jesus to Christ.

Speaker 2 (01:59:38):
Wow, Okay, I don't. I don't. I don't accept that
kind of talking. That talk. There's the door you can
get out with it.

Speaker 3 (01:59:42):
You're gonna jump me, Yeah I am.

Speaker 2 (01:59:45):
Actually it's justified. Also, let's listen in on this referee and.

Speaker 14 (01:59:48):
That fortunate hiconduct number eighty eight on the defense has
made this qualified.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
Off call there on eighty eight. Luke, Oh wow, that'll
be another flag. Okay, Wow, that's uh that was the
guy he just threw out.

Speaker 3 (02:00:09):
Yeah, yeah, dude, that is fucked up man. All right, well,
you got any divorce proceedings to show us to.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
This is a crazy week in politics, Luke, let's make
red hats great again. What do you think? MafA? I'm sorry, Maha,
mauh marha. There you go. Also, let's close with this, Luke.
Imagine if your best friend had gone into a coma
in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 3 (02:00:35):
Eight, okay, and you're just you're graduated high school and.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
You're just waking that person up.

Speaker 3 (02:00:39):
Now, My people are still talking about Bill Clinton, that blowjob.

Speaker 13 (02:00:45):
Who huh?

Speaker 9 (02:00:48):
They were the trends how.

Speaker 2 (02:00:51):
I mean, it'd be an eye opening thing to come
out of thawing right now, right and the world has
changed so much. It's just it's tremendous. That's all the
shit I can hand.

Speaker 3 (02:01:01):
Bad, bad, not bad?

Speaker 2 (02:01:02):
All right, thank you very much. Hope you enjoyed that.
Hope we're still employed along outd Looke. Do you want
to say goodbye and all to these people? Where? Hey,
where are we finally going to? Because I talked to
I talked to Jose Young's this weekend shout out to him,
Mike Boone, Oscar Wilde, I saw all the old friends,
Aaron Bronstetter, by the way, was we're in a suit

(02:01:22):
that had like sweatpant pants with a drawstring. The guy's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (02:01:25):
I have to shit so bad.

Speaker 2 (02:01:27):
Okay. Can we check out the main card minutes prop
Quiz Championship of Season two anytime soon?

Speaker 3 (02:01:32):
Yes?

Speaker 5 (02:01:32):
So Jose versus Ben should be airing Friday. I'll reconfirm Friday.
You know, schedules aligned, but we are planned to do
that this week, so that'll go down winner that will
face UBC once again. Reminder two year anniversary of the
channel today, so big day.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
You know, congratulations on that one. Right there. Reached the
show at morning Combat at gmail dot com. One more
reminder as well for the merch. Let's go to Morningcombat
dot Shop right now. We have November exclusives. They're available
until they're gone. Why don't you get a Combat Buddies
T shirt? Get the autogra have poster there. Average jar
does a fantastic job. Our signatures. It's a thing. It's

(02:02:05):
a joy to behold. It could be on your wall forever.
Mix and match colors. We have evergreen items just in
time for the holiday season. It's Morning Combat dot Shop. Luke,
you're definitely about to pinch a loaf as they used
to say.

Speaker 3 (02:02:18):
Oh my god, I haven't heard that in so long.

Speaker 2 (02:02:21):
It's so great. It's a nineties That is a nineties thing.

Speaker 3 (02:02:24):
Gotta get the old turn cutter going.

Speaker 2 (02:02:26):
Yeah, that's all we can handle today for LT on
b C LT you have to sell anything to anyone.

Speaker 3 (02:02:31):
I'll have a breakdown from some fights my personal channel
during the course of the week.

Speaker 2 (02:02:35):
All right, like us, subscribe to us, follow us, be
us one day after you kill us. Thank you so much.
This has been morning combat.

Speaker 3 (02:02:40):
We're out of here.

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