UFC Vancouver: Brendan Allen Stops RDR | Ref Outrage | Fiorot KO, Chito Robbed? | UFC 321 Storylines - MORNING KOMBAT WITH LUKE THOMAS AND BRIAN CAMPBELL

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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Really look at us now, timp.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Jesus.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Oh you.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
Using will be well? It's time to band. Oh yeah,
I get fired up. It's Monday Morning's time to talk
cage fighting. This is Morning Combat. October twentieth of the
twenty five's. I'm screaming in my own basement and they

(00:49):
call me Brian Campbell. Welcome, Hey, how are you great
to see you? You may have come here for my
co host. He's from Washington, d C. By way of
the old Deli the new one. It's Luke Thomas.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, what's up, dude. You're in a good mood for
a guy who. Uh, I'm surprised you're Oh no, I'm
not surprised you're home. When did you get home?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I got home yesterday? Okay, I mean I would Did
I try to take the last train out of Brooklyn
late Saturday? And just you know, miss my mark maybe,
but I'm back. Danny Garcia's retired. There was a ko.
That fight happened, but plenty of good seats still available.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
If a ko falls in the forest and no one's
around to see it, did it actually happen?

Speaker 4 (01:32):
That's it did happen.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
We're gonna get fired up today. Because we are going
to recap UFC Vancouver from the weekend and hopefully get
Randy Cooter's take on dan Mericliauto's job future after a
rough weekend for the referees. Also, we will set the
stage for this Saturday's UFC three twenty one pay per
view with some storylines and a reminder. Two days from now, Wednesday,

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Speaker 2 (03:40):
No, I don't know if that one's gonna happen anytime soon.

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(04:25):
a very aggressive father from Australia. God, got it done. Hey,
it's the main card. Minute's Luke, No Sita in the house? Yes,
what up?

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Boys?

Speaker 5 (04:36):
I think winning an award is a lot like being
a marine. You're never, you know, an X award winner,
You're just a former award winner.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
Start, you know, we'll still take that take that.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
Home very former in this case, if you guys have.

Speaker 4 (04:47):
A good weekend BC.

Speaker 5 (04:48):
I know you were in the empty Barclay Center there,
but you enjoy the fights.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
Empty to some no no, shout out to Danny Garcia, Hey, hey,
we'll see it. And have you seen this ship? But
I got to work with some great people like long
Alan's Chris.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Al Jerry Huntington shout out. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Indeed, Luke, I believe this weekend was the two hundred
and fiftieth birthday of the US Marine Corps, which included a.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
No ten November. Ten November. They might have done. They
did some yes, various places will do some ceremony for
that which you saw in California. But the official birthday
of the Marine Corps ten November seven.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
All right, we got some hegseeth action, some vans. I
was like, this is Luke's cup of tea right here,
let's go go. You know, Semper five, never die baby.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
All right, ten November, Luke.

Speaker 1 (05:29):
Outside of the cage fighting mishaps, did you have a
nice weekend in the nation's capital?

Speaker 2 (05:32):
It was beautiful. I had to get my bike repaired
a little bit, so I had to uh, it's far
away from where I live. So I picked it up
and went biking all over town on a beautiful saturday. Oh,
it was so nice. It was wonderful. Took the Twochsterra
with me, put a basket on the front of my bike.
Nobody cares about this stuff, nor should you. But that's
what I did.

Speaker 1 (05:50):
Very manly of you, very masculine. But look like the
lake Kobe Bryant girl, pad Cash Dad, girl Dad. It's
a lifestyle, okay.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
So I'm not trying to impress you.

Speaker 1 (05:58):
Trying to impress you have father to your child. That's
what I'm saying, right, that's right. Yeah, good, good stuff?

Speaker 6 (06:04):
How good?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
She's good?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah? Oh, I had to go to kids parties. I
went to anybody who knows the area. I had to
go to Glenn Echo this weekend, which is not close anyway.
But it was cool. I had a good time, saw
some friends. Chill, kept it chill.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Does Glen Echo know Glenn.

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Burnie, Glengarry, Glenn Ross how about Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Yeah. I don't know where we're going with this, but
we went there. All right. Hey, you came here to
listen to us talk about fights, so you want to
do it? I think the time is right now. Topic
number one Surprise Surprise UFC Vancouver. It may have been
brend Air de Ritter's try out for a middleweight title,
or at least that's what we thought coming in, but
shout out to late to play replacement Brendan Allen to

(06:46):
fight despite the fact that our dr had won four
fights in his first eight months as a UFC fighter.
Our DR's bid for that middleweight title ended in absolute disaster,
as Alan swept rounds two through four on all three
score cards while completely gassing to Ritter out, leading to
his corner throwing in the towel before the start of

(07:07):
round five after some back and forth exchange in a
language that the UFC did not have a translator, so
we're not officially sure what was being said right there.
But as for Allan himself, he said before the fight
that Urdr ain't that guy, just not that guy at all.
Turned out in this case he was right. So, Luke,
when you look back at this weird, kind of awkward

(07:28):
main event, what's the biggest explanation not just for the
resurgence here of Brendan Allen with a two fight win streak,
but really the complete breakdown of the Dutch night.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I don't quite know how to explain this performance. On
the one hand, let's credit Allan BC whatever else you
want to say about where he's at the value of
the win, exactly how it came to him. It seemed
to me that at a bare minimum, what you can
credit Alan with is fighting a very patient and disciplined approach.

(08:01):
I think at times he's been a little bit over
zealous offensively gotten himself into a bit of troubles. For example,
how he got kind of knocked out by Chris Curtis
right so here he was getting overwhelmed in round one
and nevertheless was able to at least slow the fight down,
neutralize it. And then by the sort of second half
ish of round two, that's when you really begin to

(08:24):
see the tide turning. And he doesn't make any mistakes
along the way, just kind of, you know, consistently chips
at it. And I don't think that's a small thing.
Staying calm under duress and kind of knowing your moments
going to be there. These are important skills to have
and to learn, and they clearly served him well here.
But at the same time, B see, I just you know,
it's very difficult when you do one of these shows

(08:45):
where you're asked to give an opinion and it sounds
like you want to undermine the winner, but I really don't.
At the same time, it is just weird to me
that we saw de Ritter go five rounds with Robert Whitaker,
a former champion in this way class, and it was
a difficult about and it did kind of slowly peter
out as the fight went on. But in this particular case,

(09:07):
bc RDR doesn't take a tremendous amount of damage early anyway,
and just seemed to fall off a cliff in ways
that the hastiness of his fall off didn't seem to match,
excuse me, didn't seem to match the pace of the
fall off that you saw in the Whitnaker fight, which
was also you know, very difficult, although you know, contested
under somewhat different terms. So I guess what I'm saying

(09:29):
is I'm happy to note the progress and frankly, the
fact that he had three and a half weeks to
get even what he got at Brendan Allen speaks very
highly of him and his team ye who, by the way,
gave fantastic corner advice right on time, exactly as he
needed to, just to wrap up. I guess I'm just saying,
didn't something seem off to you about RDR, not just

(09:52):
from a general observation standpoint, but based on just recent
history that we'd seen from him.

Speaker 1 (09:58):
I agree with you on that, and I know that
some people got senteled and I almost did two with
that RDR tweet that said neurovirus broken right hand, which
seems to be the Poeton description of the first Ekalaya fight,
that same Twitter account, by the way, dropping the N
word a lot. I don't believe that's him. I think
RDR has that verified ig account, which he has not,
at least to my knowledge, spoken from yet. But this

(10:21):
was an epic collapse for a guy that was on
his way. And I guess it's as simple as say, well,
you can't grapple at full speed for two rounds. I mean,
even you know, even Hebiebe found that out against Ali
Quinta in the final rounds of his title win there
all the way back in Brooklyn. For some reason, RDR
just didn't realize that, and he got himself into the
red on the gas tank and then as you saw

(10:42):
I mean, this fight was stopped after round four, but
after round three De Ritter could barely get up. So
let's fifteen minutes into a fight in which in which
he was the one that initiated all of these ground sequences.
And while you certainly have to shout out Brendan Allen,
especially when you hear the postfight breakdown from him about
how much he turned his team around and his mindset,

(11:03):
his motivation and how much that led into this fight,
I give him a lot of credit, but let's be
really honest. We thought coming in if someone was going
to be first team all donk dunk Alive style. Unfortunately,
we thought it would be Brendan Allen, who's had a
history at times of questionable in cage IQ moments. But
it was our DR who just looked like, I mean,

(11:23):
this is just a complete mismanagement of one's own gas tank. Yes,
Brendan Allen made those reverses on the ground, Yes he
put himself in top position, but our DR had full
him out early in round one here and just seemed
to waste everything he had. So I don't know if
he was physically compromised coming in. I mean, look, if
you're going to accept a fifth fight in your first

(11:44):
eleven months on the job, like at age thirty four
to thirty five. I guess you know you could see
a breakdown of any kind coming, whether that's illness, injury,
what have you, but a real tough break for somebody who,
after that Robert Whitaker fight you could have argued could
have cut the line for a title shot, had full momentum,
was doing things we didn't think he could do. But

(12:04):
yet this is why on Friday's preview show, I wanted
this slow roll and say I love this RDR run
more than anyone. I'm just not sure if some of
what we were seeing was not smoking mirrors as much
as just full on momentum, right place, right performance, right time. Boy,
was this a disaster. We do have a quote tweet
here from urdr's coach harun oskn who explains throwing in

(12:27):
the towel here aggregated by him made Junkie. They say
he said, I made the call to stop the fight
after round four. I take full responsibility for that decision.
It was the right call to make for me in
the moment. If I didn't do anything, RDR would have
continued the fight rather than risk on necessary damage. I
decided to call it a day, go home as healthy
as possible. You live to fight another day. I absolutely
do not care about pleasing others if it comes at

(12:50):
the cost of someone's health. Zero excuses for this loss.
End quote. While I certainly like the accountability of the coach,
the fact that people believe that our asked out of
this fight, and whether he did or or the corner
saved him, ultimately, to me, it's the same thing. Right
Here is the response from his contemporaries in the division
on social media. Hamzad saying, can you read that, Luke,

(13:13):
that's pretty small?

Speaker 2 (13:14):
This bullshit guy? Give up? Nasserdini Mavov says, knew it.
Dylan Danis, imagine being a quitter? Never me, I mean, okay,
all right, okay. Marvin Vettori says deritter is a pussy.
Kyle Bohalio did Rdir get injured in the fight or
he just gave up? Real question, guys. Paulo Costa finally says,
if I knew it would only last four rounds, I

(13:35):
would go for it. Lol.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Even Brendan Allen jumped in with a with a comment
here at the post by press conference saying twenty five
minutes is a very very long time to take punishment.
I don't think he. I didn't think he'd be able
to do it if he took a round longer than
I thought to break. So Luke, let's let's let's get
real all here on URDR, Like, how damaging is this outcome,

(13:59):
this exit and a fight that mattered so much when
you're literally on the verge of busting through. I mean,
it's not like they went toe to toe on the feet.
This was almost exclusively a grappling match. He did take
heavy damage with elbows, but he ended up in those
spots a lot of times because of his own doing.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
Yeah, I mean, I think the look here is quite bad.
There were people saying he quit. And again there's this
moment where he's speaking I believe Dutch, between he and
his coach, and I don't know what was said, but
the coach later on took responsibility and said, I was
the one that threw the towel, and I did believe
that even actually in the ring itself with the cage.
Excuse me, that they had surrendered that so it wasn't

(14:40):
necessarily ALREADYR. But the point is I mean that definitely
is a distinction that matters, but not to the total picture.
Because here's the thing. B See, I saw George Saint
Pierre tap to strikes live when Matt Sarah put it
on him, and that was not a great look at
that time. You can well imagine people were a little
bit surprised at that. But at the same time time

(15:00):
he never really did it again. It was a thing
that he did to preserve himself, and it made sense,
like when he fought Mattsera again, look what he was
able to do. Now you might note, well, this is
not the first time it's necessarily happened for Deritter. It
happened against Anatole Malakin, who if you didn't watch that fight.
First of all, who's the guy's a heavyweight. But if
you didn't watch that fight before he eventually quit, Malakin

(15:24):
was abusing him in really bad ways. Frankly, in fact,
in ways I thought much worse than what Alan was doing.
But ultimately here's the problem. Be See, this is where
I think he really is in a tough spot. He
might get another good fight. He is entertaining. I do
think he'll be back relatively quickly. He'll get a decent
name in an important fight. I suspect, however, it was

(15:45):
a title eliminator, and you're thirty five years old, and
I'm for health and safety's sake, I am glad he
didn't see a fifth round, but for appearance's sake, and
what it means that you would surrender in what MMA's
terms would be so willingly an about of this consequence.

(16:05):
I cannot imagine UFC brass would view that especially favorably,
right because they might even say, we don't even mind
that you try to preserve yourself. What we look at
that and say to ourselves is the fact that you
have to preserve yourself because you have allowed this to
get to such a bad place, whether because you are
burnt out, whether because you didn't train properly, whether because

(16:27):
you got beat up by Brendan Allen, whatever the case
may be, you got pushed to the brink so much
that you ended up having to make this decision ultimately.
And that's just not somebody that we can rely upon.
That's not somebody that we can look to and build
a plan around. You are not reliable as a way,
I think some could say, anyway, as a way to
be you know, the kind of this, this marker for

(16:48):
achievement and something that can be a brand that they
can promote. So the optics of it are quite severe,
even if I think the ultimate reality of it is
to me at least in part understandable.

Speaker 1 (17:01):
Yeah, we're gonna get to Brendan Allen in the second
as we should because it's a big, huge breakthrough win
for him. It might have completely turned his future in
situation around. But look, hindsight is a thing, right, But
in hindsight here RDR took fights on short on quick turnarounds,
was fight willing to step up and fight whoever the

(17:22):
UFC get offered. And while we or I love the
romanticism of this sort of unofficial final four, which saw
Nasardine Imovov, who's probably gonna get the next shot here
against Jamaya deservedly so took that decision from Bahalio dominated him.
Now was up to RDR, whether it was Fluffy or
the last minute change to Alan, it was up to

(17:42):
r DR to you know, outperform well as Nasardine did
and show us that. So it's like, I like the
setup there, But in hindsight, was RDR way too ambitious
at this age to go through five camps in eleven months,
and by by extension, was the UFC too ambitious and

(18:04):
allowing him to do that when you could have said,
nasterdam Avov looked great, he's got probably the best case
of anyone. Let him fight for the title next. Hey, Rdre,
you just fought for us four times in like eight months, right,
his last fight was July before this sit out. You're
gonna get the next shot at the winner? Is that
only something you'll think about in hindsight, you know what

(18:26):
I mean? Or looking back? Was this handled incorrectly by
all parties?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
I mean, how much were we saying that on Friday?
I don't recall us saying it very much. Granted we're
not the UFC, We're not there right on top of
these guys, but it wasn't top of mine to me,
you know, which is the same. It wasn't relevant. I'm
just saying, how much can we beat the UFC up
for something? We also did not necessarily take it to
full account to the point you raised though, now that

(18:51):
he performed this way, and again, it's not like we
didn't see him do five rounds. Granted again a different
kind of five rounds, but like people keep thinking like
Brendan wan in there, like, you know, to the poster
behind you, BC, to the brock Lesnar and Shane car
went thing, That's not what this was. I mean, it
was slow, it was steady, and at times it was pointed,
but it wasn't like an avalanche of ground and power
where he was really kind of fighting for his life.

(19:12):
It was just sort of this steady accumulation. You recall
he tried to set up that same big dash triangle
in round three as well. I mean, there was a
few signs of life along the way, but I do
think your point is well taken. BC. Maybe I'm wrong,
maybe I'm completely making this up, but it does. It
seemed to me he had an unusual, unusually empty gas

(19:34):
tank that just expired very quickly, and his game I
think has suffered in part maybe from things like this
in the past, but not to this extent BC. And
this was this was bad.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
All right. Let's talk Brendan Allen, the twenty nine year
old who attempted to rep Canada for this due to
his grandparents heritage, although we know him, of course as
the Louisiana and he had the back to back decision
losses to top level contenders Imovov and flow Hernandez. In their rematch,
did bounce back nicely against Marvin Vattori won the fight
of the night. Looked pretty damn good. However, weird this

(20:08):
fight was, and it was disappointing. It was a bit
boring at times. This was all Brendan Allen almost all
the time, outside of that time for most of the
first round that he was on the bottom. So, Luke Thomas,
how much did this turnaround your opinion of Brendan Allen
as a potential title challenger.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
I definitely thought that this and the Vittori fight were
good fights to begin to build, right. So he was
on a losing streak and then he beats Vittori, and
he does it in a, you know, relatively consistent and
I don't think especially controversial way. And then this one
he got handled in round one. I don't think there's

(20:50):
really any question about that. It wasn't ten eight or anything,
but he definitely got handled round one. But as we indicated,
really the tide begin to turn in the second half
of the second round and he was off to the
races from there. I mean, I would be lying if
I said I didn't have more questions. B see we
did say on Friday, and things of the things we
can talk about we did say on Friday. I think
both you and I are that like you know, listen,
you watch Brendan Allen's offense on tape. It looks pretty good,

(21:11):
like there's a lot to really enjoy about it. It's
pretty well rounded. The grappling, particularly from the back, is active.
He's got good positional control plus ground and pound at
the same time, you know, so that these are not
things that are he he he can't do in concert
with one another, and then I think that advances his cause.
On the feet, he's gotten into trouble at times, but
he's still pretty competent to even good there. So there's

(21:33):
a lot to like. But I just don't know if
I've seen a performance where, you know, he went up
against someone and it was authoritative without any other questions.
Vitty is tough to look good against. He looks good
against RDR, no question about it. But I still have
questions about Rdr's place. So are these two wins nothing, No,

(21:55):
of course not. They're very very good wins. But you're
asking about, like, do I se him as a future
title contender, well because he's twenty nine, yes, but to
really ascend to that place BC, I think some more
development is still in order.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, you wonder. Look, I think we're at the point
where we can say this out loud. You wonder if
him being an American potential title contender could help him along.
We know people get bumped along when they're marketable. I
wonder if this helps him during this earrow and we
are so void of super elite American talent on the
UFC level, but look good to see Brendan Allen bounce back.

(22:30):
The tramayav callout is that considering that, you know, he
lost twice in a row just recently to two guys
who were in some cases in line next for title
national dneim involved without question, and then the wind streak
of fluff or Hernandez, even though the injury pulled him
out of an opportunity to gain that. Was it like

(22:52):
lame of him to call it Tamayav or was that
the right move? And then of course he did pivot
on down after that to everyone from DDP to Sean
Strickland potentially.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
I mean, I think he was just trying to shoot,
you know, catch the biggest fish.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
That's the time to do it.

Speaker 2 (23:07):
Yeah, I didn't, didn't. It didn't land very well, but
that's that's the moment. Yeah, all right.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
We do have sound here of Brendan Allen after the
fight talking about what could be next to him in
response to what he had said in the cage.

Speaker 7 (23:20):
So I know, I know you called out Hamzap, but
you also called out Sean and you called out Drikus.
Is there one out of the two between Dricus and
Sean that you would prefer? Like me personally, I would
love to see you and Drinkus. I think that would
be a fun fight. But who would you like?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Man?

Speaker 8 (23:36):
I want them both for different reasons. I've always wanted
to fight Dricas. Obviously we've had our tiff back and
forth or whatever, always something to say. To be honest,
for me, I just never thought he was like the
hype that everyone gave him. Obviously, he's been a champion, though,
what can you say about him. He's been a champion
and he defended excuse me, no matter what you say.
He's been at the highest level. So hats off to
him for that. But I want to former champion on

(23:59):
my resume. Title challengers on my resume. Now I want
a former champion in this promotion. Director is one champion,
but I want this promotion. So one of those two,
I want Sean because we've had we had one a
long time ago and I felt I was winning and
did something stupid got caught. Dricks obviously is a former
champion that was very, very talked about, obviously, and it

(24:22):
would be great to see who's who's talking.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
We can who can back up their talk.

Speaker 8 (24:25):
So either one's fine, but I'm just, uh, I'm ready
to get home and see my family. It's been a
little minute and I'm I'm just excited to meet my
new baby girl in January of February.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
So Luke to give you the lay of the land,
rankings wise for the UFC trickistup will see the former
champion is the number one rated fighter. Number two Nasa
danm Avove appears to be next, and number three is
the former champion Sean Strickland. Who should be next for
Brendan Allen? Who would deserve an upgrade after this?

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Would that's a great question. I I don't the ddp
idea they got rivalry. I think it would prove a
lot if Brendan Allen was able to get a win. Conversely, yes,
DDP has beaten better guys than Brendan Allen, but DDP

(25:13):
can be overwhelmed at times. Positionally, Brendan Allen's got good
positional control and good takedowns, good jiu jitsu, Like, there's
reasons to think that they could make for an interesting matchup.
If you're trying to think like someone else you could do,
you could do is Isy Brendan Allen. I don't know
if is he wants that fight, that's something you could
do to Sean Strickland one. I do think because he's
got connectivity to CHAMAIAV with history, that they're gonna try

(25:35):
and maybe hold him for that, or maybe they give
him that one to BC.

Speaker 1 (25:40):
You know, as something about Fluffy, what do you do
with Fluffy who pulled out of this stuff wins?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
Fluffy beat him twice once in LAFA and once in
February of this year.

Speaker 1 (25:49):
So what do you think Fluffy gets DDP then and
then you give Strickland to Allen or do you keep
strickling out as you're saying, to plug him into a
title fight that you know you can sell.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Are they dying to give Brendan Allen a title shot.
I don't know, I don't I'm.

Speaker 1 (26:04):
Talking about Strickland a title shot like you mentioned against Tom.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yes, that that that to me seems I just think
it'd be foolish to not take that seriously.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Right, Okay, long Nowland Luke reminds us that Robert Whitaker's
out there too, So if you're gonna match make this.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Group of names, yes, you could do that as well.
Be weird though, for like RDYR to beat Whittaker then
lose to Alan, but then Allen's got to fight. It's
kind of a weird game. But it's just that's that's
the thing you could do as well.

Speaker 4 (26:28):
All right.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Regarding what could be next for RDR, not specifically in
terms of opponents, but where he goes from here, Brendan
Allen had a few thoughts on that as well.

Speaker 7 (26:37):
Where where would you think RDR would go from here?
Because you said all week you said he's just not
that guy. That was a big clip. You said, he's
not that guy. Where where do you think he goes
from here?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Oh?

Speaker 8 (26:47):
No, man, I've had to rebuild myself, so it's uh,
I don't know, man. He there's other options. You know,
he can he can still keep fighting. He's only what
twenty one and three four and two four one in
this promotion, I don't know. But he's got a future still.
He's still gonna come out here and make money. He
can go up away class. He's big. But I think

(27:08):
that's up to him and his team and whatever him
and his family and team decide.

Speaker 1 (27:14):
All right, fair enough, right there, breakthrough win for Brendan Allen.
We'll see how our dr bounces back once we hear
from him for the first time after this devastating loss.
Let's slide into topic number two. I know, I know
LT's gonna have a lot to say about this. Not
just another almost weekly referendum on the state of MMA refereeing.
We got to talk about what went on on this

(27:35):
Vancouver card because referee either mistakes or maybe we could
say questionable judgment played a key role in at least
three fights, leading to fans calling for a major overhaul. Look,
this was an absolute debacle where veteran referee Dan Marigliata
had mishandled moments in both the Kyle Nelson Matt Fravola fight,
including where he appeared to stop the fight rightfully in

(27:57):
the closing seconds of round one before the buzzer, only
to unnecessarily restarted, leading to Kyle Nelson getting both a
knockout and a decision win in the same night to
what he did or didn't do in the Mike Malock
Kevin Holland fight with multiple low blows and how that
played a role in the result. We also have to
mention referee John Cooper, who I like that he took

(28:19):
away the point from Kyle or from excuse me, from
Drew Dober against Kyle prepplelect but you also have to
question the when and how much that affected the end
of the fight. Either way, it's every single week here.
It's important to note this is not a UFC problem
per se. It's a commission, an ABC Association of Boxing
Commissions issue. But it's NonStop to the point that we

(28:40):
got to go to the extreme year and how we
break this down. Jed Mischue number two for end of
the program MMA Fighting Zone had a tweet so aggressive
that we did how to bring in Quervo right now
for something we like to call shots fire. Shots Fired

(29:03):
is brought to you by Cuervo, and now is a
good time to enjoy that tequila that invented tequila. Here
is Jed Mshue's immediate reaction Saturday to what we saw. Quote,
I do not say this lightly. Dan Murrigliada should never
be allowed to referee again. Hashtag UFC Vancouver end quote
lt Let's be real. Here is the idea of a

(29:24):
suspension or even firing Murgliata too extreme? Or is this
necessary or something like this to fuel some type of
immediate change that we seem to cry about every single week.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
I man, I don't even know where to start with
something like this. Denrigliotta had a terrible night. He had
a terrible night for starters in the Frovola fight where
he appears to wave it the fight off because he
can't hear the clapper. This was the not hearing the

(30:02):
clapper fight or excuse me situation happened previously this year
with Big Dan. So this is now the second time
this year that we've seen a situation like this happened.
That's sort of the one issue. But I mean, obviously
that wasn't the only fight where the Kevin Hollin fight
where he refuses to take a point, among a series
of other problems with how that was officiated. There's just
a lot going on where it seems like there's a

(30:22):
couple of problems we see. It seems like there's a
lot of common figures that we've seen for a long
time that we've kind of gotten used to that who
maybe appear to be declining on the job that's up
for debate, but certainly I think a bit of a
feeling and then that is kind of going in conjunction
with sometimes dude, like we're watching Weeks where the referees

(30:43):
just make it up the Australia card where it was
a submission. Oh no, he's awake. No, it's not like
you know what I mean, Like you're intervening or you're not.
You're making a judgment call or you're not. And either
they're not taking points, or they're intervening at the very
wrong times, or you know, just they don't have seem
to have a command of the job in ways that
you would expect top tier referees to do. And to

(31:05):
the point that are now it's seemingly ad libbing. I
don't even know where to begin with this. I mean,
I'm just going to say it out loud. The commission model,
the way that we have desired, the way in which
it has spread throughout the country. This is a failed model.
As long as I have been around, we have been
having conversations like this. And it is not to say

(31:25):
that there have not been improvements over time, or it's
not to say that there aren't individual commissioners, judges, refs, timekeepers,
you name it, who aren't loyal servants to the states
in which they work, into the athletes to whom they're
charged to protect. There are there are people who are
trying to do this, but as a system wide situation,
it's a complete failure. There's total regulatory capture from the

(31:47):
ABC to the CSAC to the Nevada Athletic Commission making,
for example, pay private for whose sake, certainly not the
athlete's sake. You know, there's that kind of thing that's happening.
More to the point, BC like there was a bit
of a discussion. It's like which sport doesn't have referee
scandals or controversies and the answers all of them do.
But dude, like, in order to be an NFL ref

(32:08):
the amount of training you have to go through and
the amount of money that is spent training them to
be able to do that, and then to pay them
their talents. These are vastly in excess of what you get.
On the combat sports side, we see more to the point.
For example, in American football, they have better systems to
review bad calls. Bad calls still get made, but they

(32:29):
have more of them. Also, more to the point, in
these other sports we see where, for example, in baseball
you have to call literally balls and strikes and outs
at home plate. You're making a large amount of public
calls all the time. In MMA, you're asked to make
maybe and around a handful of calls, and even that
minor amount still appears to be tripped up. But I've

(32:53):
done this before, I've done this song and dance. Being like,
we've got a demand accountability, we've got a demand change.
There is no it cannot be done. This system is
short of Nick Diaz getting banned for five years from marijuana,
which was so bad as a controversy that it bubbled
its way up to the governor's office and then they intervened.

(33:13):
Short of that kind of intervention BC, the kind of standard,
hey we're at the UFCAPEX or in this particular case,
Vancouver Canada and the referees kind of bungled it. There's
no way for this to push the news into a
place that it can ever lead to any kind of accountability.
This is just what it is. Do they turn in
these scorecards and they won't let anybody talk to any

(33:34):
of the referees or the judges. It's this over and
over and over again. So I just want to say,
I'm not saying that there's not a case to complain,
or certain guys couldn't be subbed into roles and they
be better than other ones. I'm just saying this is
a lifetime of friction you have to get used to
because this system can only be scrapped, it cannot be reformed.

Speaker 1 (33:59):
I think that's right. And while I say it's not
the UFC's fault, and it definitely isn't the way the
system is set up, I would like to see them
Ordana go go scorgetirth again. I mean in the past,
if it was Steve Mazagati or or who is the
other guy, Luke Mario Yamasaki. Yeah, I mean they you know,
they damn near ran those two out of a job.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Yeah, but hold on, Like, here's the thing with the UFC.
It's like, dude, did Yamasaki have some bad calls? Of course,
or Steve Mazagati or you know whoever you want to name.
John Shorley had a bunch of bad calls, That's true,
and I don't want to like, dude, some people are
going to be better at this than others, and we
want to spotlight the high achievers. I don't know what
the answer is BC, but for there's never been an

(34:37):
entity like the UFC in all of combat sports, both
in terms of the scope of its business and the
amount of money that they have. I don't know how
to make this work from a act of legislature. I
don't know. I don't know what the mechanism would be.
But dude, they should be taxed on this. They should
be taxed into getting better referee training, better efficient training,

(34:57):
better money for people who do this, rather than just, Hey,
the states have to pay for this, and we're just
gonna let it be a state thing, because as long
as the states are funding it, it's going to be underfunded.
If you want a higher level of funding, the one
entity that essentially controls the whole joint, they should be
on the hook for a little bit more of this.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Right, I think the commissions need a backbone. It's the
same thing we say when they make decisions that you know,
totally favor the power promoters. We'd like a backbone in
those instances. I'd love a backbone to create a level
of accountability. I'm not saying Dan Burgulada has to get fired.
He's got a long career. He's done a lot of
great things. But if you're slipping, whether you're a boxing judge,
whether you're an MMA referee, whatever it is, I think

(35:37):
there should be a public comment about it. We're gonna
look into it. We're gonna suspend a guy, We're gonna
pull somebody off.

Speaker 3 (35:43):
You know.

Speaker 1 (35:43):
It's like when Adelaide Bird had that horrible scorecard and
glove Kin Canelo won, and that was the only time
I remember, particularly the media at that postfight press conference
going after Bob Bennett of the Novata Commission being like,
you just say, oh, it was one bad night, but
these one bad nights lost these fighters sometimes, you know,
a big turn, a direction in their career, life changing money.

(36:06):
We know how tight the margins are for UFC fighters,
So to see three fights ultimately affected on here in
aggressive ways. Something something's got to be done here for
full accountability to I don't want to reset and bring
in inexperienced guys. We hate when UFC goes to a
state that doesn't normally regulate, you know, high level UFC,

(36:26):
and we see inexperienced people in there. But something's got
to be done because not only is there a reluctance
it seems from the big name referees of inserting themselves
into the fight by establishing early, not with aggressive hard
warnings and then points. And I think obviously you can
take a point without a warning if it's something that
is impacting the fight. They seem not only afraid to

(36:49):
make those decisions, they seem like they don't know what
the right decision is in some of these big key moments.
So it looks like a clown show where the fighters
are essentially they're future. When you're getting show and win money,
half of your salary is dependent on these people getting
it right. We do have some form of instant replay here,
but if you can't jump in and instantly instant replay

(37:11):
something or situation where everyone around could be like, I
don't think that's the correct way to handle it then
we don't have a good system. So look, let's talk
quickly about these fights and what happened and what could
have should have. Let's start with Mike Mallott there versus
Kevin Holland because it was higher up on the card.
Mike Mallott landing a multiple groin strikes, the first one

(37:32):
being a full on kick, the second one being a
knee that grazed. In the first round, Kevin Holland did
not look fit to continue. He took the full five minutes.
He wasn't responding well to being asked if he continued.
Then at the end of the first round he comes
out still looking like he can't fight. He gets an
extended time to rest and talk about it as the
ringside doctor is there, and then Maric la Out is like, well, look,

(37:55):
if you don't continue, you're gonna lose by DQ. So
he continues and he loses anyway, despite by the way
rallying and bloodying the nose of Mike Malot. How should
that have been handled differently? Or can I just tell
you how it should have been? Maybe an aggressive warning
and a point on the second one. What the hell
are we doing here? Like you always say the fighters

(38:16):
have no reason not to do this, whether it's on
purpose or you're just saying if it happens, it happens,
you have no reason not to do that. I pokes.
At least we're trying to put it out there that
that we give you reason not to do that. What
the What the frick?

Speaker 4 (38:31):
Dude?

Speaker 1 (38:31):
How do you not take a point on that second
crotch strike within a minute of each other.

Speaker 2 (38:36):
I don't know, I don't, I don't this is what
I mean. I don't how, I don't know. I don't
know why anything works the way that it does, but
this is the way that it does. Like you're asking
what Murglotas should have done, It's like, well, what stage?
You know what I mean? Like there's a bunch of
different decisions that could have been made in a few
different directions at a few different times. But I basically

(38:57):
agree with you there should have been a point taken
like two times like that. It clearly affected him the
rest of the fire. He was even tweeting today he
has to go get I think I don't know if
an MRI or a cat scanner, you know, some kind
of ultrasound on his junk, because it's all jacked up.
You know it's we got a tweet here.

Speaker 1 (39:13):
Let's show that one of the earlier tweets from Holland
after the fights if he can man, fuk what y'all
talking about? Bro kick to STD into my dick. My
nuts hurt. So while that Luke is maybe outside of
the realm of proper human public speaking, we get the point, dude, Like,
I mean, what the hell's Kevin Holland's supposed to do
in this He's faced with a fact. He's faced at

(39:34):
the end of the first round, whether it's the legality
of the law or not. He was put in a
corner by Murray Glad that said you can either continue
or you're gonna lose by DQ which one is it
gonna be? No, Dan, how about you enforced that shit?

Speaker 5 (39:46):
Man?

Speaker 2 (39:46):
Yeah? Yeah, Why isn't there a point taking, which, by
the way, could change the equation, if not in this bout,
certainly in others in terms of how the scoring works.
And also, dude, like you're beating a very diminished opponent.
You're beating a guy who can't shake groin pain. That
is both distracting and it could be even like you know,
it makes it hard to move nimbly like it's a

(40:08):
it's a tremendous handicap, and then he has to go
and compete like this with again no recourse being taken
at all. Why would you not cheat if you had
to in MMA? What would be the argument? It's like
the like literally, and I'm saying this as honestly as
I can. The only argument against fouling in MMA is

(40:30):
if the fighter fouling feels like they don't want to
do that because they want to compete in an honorable way,
but you know, for their own sense of you know,
virtue preservation. But in terms of like a practical matter,
it is foolish to not foul. It is foolish. It
is foolish. Two fouls and they won't do anything. I know,

(40:51):
in the preper like fight there was that foul, but
then that one came only after the second offense, which, okay,
at least you got something there, but even then it
was kind of predicated on whether or not the thing
was bad enough over time.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yeah, that was referee John Cooper who could be heard
telling the commission during the five minute break that Prepela
had and by the way, that was Drew Dover winding
up for a full on soccer kick to the nuts.
He told the commission, if he makes it to the
four minute mark being Prepelek and is still hurt during
this five minute period, then I'll take away a point.

(41:23):
And it's like what if if look, I get that
there's grazing fouls. Those can get a warning, But whether
the second consecutive foul is grazing or not, if you
got a warning, the second foule should be a point.
And if the first foul is as aggressive as the
kick that hit Holland or that wind up kit that
hit kick that hit prepelect if you established that, we

(41:45):
are taking points for this. Just like in football that
you know you can't go helmet to helmet anymore, you
know what I mean? Just like in football that you
know that you have that strike zone of where you
can tackle somebody. You could force the fighters to change
the way they do it, but you have to enforce it.
Here's Mike Malott talking afterwards about the effect of these
low blows on this fight against Holland. But you know

(42:07):
he's the one that got the win, by the way.

Speaker 9 (42:09):
No, I think we both threw kicks at the same time.
And one of mine went low first, and then that
second one, like, my knee hit him in the hip.
My shin I think brushed his cup, but like I
gotta watch it back. Maybe I'm maybe I'm crazy, but
I'm like, dude, I swear my knee hit him in
the like in the in the hip, like right above,
right above the belt line there. But he's just so tall, man,

(42:32):
it's hard to like his dude's like all limbs right,
It's like his hips are so high. It's hard to
get that knee up. So you know, I'm sure my
my shin did hit him in the groin, and you know,
I bet it hurt. I don't think he was, you know,
being dramatic or anything. I'm sure it was bugging him.
But yeah, a bit of an odd one, but all right,
that happened. You can't control it. There's ten straight minutes.

(42:53):
Let's just get back to it and reset it and refocus.
And my coaches did a good job of just being like, look,
don't worry about that. You're probably down one. Let's adjust,
let's you know, do this, do this, get out there
and go win this fight. And got ten minutes to
do it, and yeah, feel good with it?

Speaker 6 (43:09):
What about like in the moments after that where he's
like wincing and stuff still and turning his back to you,
and like kind of all those moments, is it tough
to figure out how to navigate what you're gonna do?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 9 (43:19):
Like, I again, he's like a chaotic guy. Is he
doing that because he wants me to like rush in
and do something stupid and he's gonna rip a right
hand or something like that and try and knock me out?
Like is he playing possum? Can he just not continue him?

Speaker 10 (43:32):
Like?

Speaker 2 (43:32):
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 9 (43:33):
Maybe I should have just gotten on him a little
bit more, but whatever, man, hindsight's twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
I mean, I don't think Mallat had bad intentions, But
when he says, my shin grazed his cup but the
knee landed on the hip, you still hit him in
the crotch for the second straight time. So, Luke, I know,
the rules are the rules, but shouldn't have this this
fight as Holland being forced to fight in the final
minut it circling away? I know you could say, well,
because they already restarted the fight, it should be a DQ,

(44:05):
But shouldn't it just been a no contest. At that point,
it's obvious this guy can't continue but doesn't want to quit.
The other guy followed him twice. Can we just have
that loophole in the rules that that should be a
no contest and we rematch it online.

Speaker 2 (44:16):
I mean, you get back to these other problems, like
you know, yes he was kind of sort of coerced,
but Holland did elect to continue. Like what the fighter
wants is not the ultimate arbiter of everything, but it's
an important one. You have to you have to count it.
And then if they're if you know, your pay is
going to get halved as a consequence of this, you know,

(44:36):
I mean the incentive structure in places, it's going to
mess it up. Plus a lot of these guys just
you know, as a matter of pride, are going to
say no. I think that would have been what you're
what you're prescribing BC. I think would have been certainly
a better solution than this weirdness that we've ended up getting.
But you know, I'm not asking for perfect solutions. I'm
just asking for better standards of application, better understanding of

(45:02):
the importance of Like, dude, you cannot have a system
that doesn't penalize fouls. You cannot do it. It ruins
everything downstream from it. It is, it is. It is
such a bad way in which to let it go forward,
and they have married it and all of the things
you'll notice, We see there's just now a series of

(45:23):
other things that happened by virtue of them not doing
it that then compound the problem even further as the
bout proceeds. It's like getting some of these things, these
core questions right early actually has a much more of
a deterrent effect long term, rather than you know, waiting
for disaster to strike and then still doing nothing about it.
It's you know, I don't know exactly what all the

(45:45):
right answers are, but I think the first and foremost
one is enforced penalties. And let's see where we can
go from.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
There along old look, can you play that Twitter recap
of the Drew Dover situation here? I want to quickly
close on John Cooper's decision. So no, So this was
a fight where Kyle Preppolek, the underdog who's riding a
losing skit here trying to save his job, was largely
putting it on Drew Dober for more than two rounds.
Then Dober lands a full on wind up kick to

(46:10):
the nuts. The ref doesn't deduct a point. Preppelec looks
visibly hurt, waits until the four minute mark, as we
said earlier, and then suddenly the referee jumps in to
deduct a point. The ref restarts the fight. Prepelek is
a minus what is that eight hundred betting favorite? Live
into Drew Dober's credit, He goes full Kamakazi, rushes a
wounded fighter, gets the finish we had heinatol Moikano tweeting out, hey, referee,

(46:35):
that ko is on you. You ultimately caused it by the
way you handled it. Luke. We like when people take
away points, Yet I don't. This Cooper decision doesn't sit
well with me. Is that just what happens? That if
they restart the fight and one guy's gonna go balls
to the walls and he gets the finish, that's what
it is. Because I do feel bad for Prepoelek here
as well.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
I went back and I watched that one a couple
more times. BC. It's not clear to me that wasn't
just what you said, which was okay. He was getting
beat up and then the ball kick didn't help. But
then they restart and he just gets swarmed. But again,
I'm gonna go back to the same thing I said
about holland how compromised are these guys really? You know,
how much does it really take out of you? I
think for some of them they're able to adapt and

(47:18):
overcome or ride the fight out. It's not so big.
But then some of these other guys, Dude, it seems
to be like a real problem for them. It changes
the momentum of a fight, It changes I don't know,
their defensive awareness. Maybe they feel like their sensibility about
everything kind of changes. But it's not one of those
fights where you can look at the replay BC, in
my view and be like, oh, this is so clearly

(47:41):
tied to the foul itself. It seems like, you know,
deterrence or the problems that can emerge kind of cut
a couple different ways, and I think in the case
of Dover BC, he just took that and was like, well,
I don't have a choice here, Like what other way
can I fight and win at this point? So he
just went bizarre and then it kind of worked. It's

(48:01):
not exactly clear what you can tie that to, so
that again, so many situations can be gray, and we
at least got a point deduction here which may have
resulted in what you've got. I just feel like if
there was stronger enforcement across the board, I'd be curious
to see what that does to the amount of fouling
that you see more broadly.

Speaker 1 (48:17):
And I don't mean to complain about a point being
taken away without a warning, which is what we want.
I'm just complaining about the fact that he openly set
out loud that I'm only taking this point if we
get to the four minute mark. It seems so arbitrary.
This was an egregious foul in that regard. All right
to close on Merigliada, as we mentioned Kyle Nelson and
Matt for Vola. Nelson put it on for Vola late

(48:38):
in round one, seemed to have him dropped and out,
potentially with three seconds to go. Merigliada jumps in, didn't
hear the horn because the horn didn't blow, the thought
he heard the horn, whatever, and then suddenly we're restarting it.
Here's Kyle Nelson reacting to this chaos in which he
got the win. Anyway, and he did deserve it, but boy,
I'm sorry for Vola had to take two more rounds

(48:59):
upon it.

Speaker 11 (49:01):
I'd say it was yeah, it was pretty chaotic.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
It was.

Speaker 11 (49:05):
I mean, my my adrenaline spiked, you know. I start
thinking about like what I'm going to do, Like the
fight's over, and we've been building this fight for however
long month and a half, two months. You know, I'm
looking forward to going home with my fiance, seeing my kids,
and then like, no, you got to turn it right
back around and keep fighting this man. So but I knew,

(49:27):
I mean, I was tired. I kind of empty the
gas tank at the end of the first but I
know I'm like, I'm gonna go into this second round.
I know I'm not going to give up.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
I'm not going to quit.

Speaker 11 (49:35):
He's not going to put me away, and that that
second win is going to come at some point and
I'll keep pushing through.

Speaker 6 (49:41):
They had Mark Rattner on the broadcast when this was
all going on. He basically said, this was Stan Murgle
out of his mistake, and I think most people would
agree with that. Do you feel like he, you know,
robbed you of a t KO win? Here a different
kind of victory.

Speaker 11 (49:58):
I mean, it is what it is. I I won
the fight. I don't hold anything against Dan. Dan's always
been a great guy. I think he's a great ref.
I would love to have the TKO win, but either way,
at this point, I fought an extra two rounds. We're
not gonna be able to change that. I got the
victory either way, So I'm just looking forward to to

(50:19):
move forward again, spending time with the family, and then
looking at the next fight a lightweight.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
And we do have a tweet here from Fravola, a
friend of the program. Unfortunately a third straight defeat at
age thirty five, and I can't read that. Luke, I've
got bad eyes. You got a shout at that.

Speaker 2 (50:32):
Regarding my fight last night, I had no idea there
was a big controversy until I got back to the hotel.
I never thought the fight was stopped at any point,
but was confused when the doctor came to look at
me after the first ended. After rewatching, it looked like
a clear mistake by the ref and thinking the round
had ended, but not a mistake to let me keep going.
Maybe that's the fighter in me, but I'm glad I
got to keep fighting, and even take round two in

(50:55):
some of the judge's eyes, let's bring in resident Long
Islander and uh, you know.

Speaker 4 (51:06):
Other things, other.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Things gambling, degenerate.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
But yeah, yeah, we were texting in the middle of
this fight and we're like, oh man, because after the
first round ended, I'm like, well, I thought the fight
was stopped. I'm like I was hoping for Bula would
pull it out and then they just kept fighting Long Island.
What happened?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
I mean, I had a fight does not go to
the distance, bet if you really want to rub it in,
but uh, I mean very clearly he got stopped in
round one.

Speaker 4 (51:29):
Dan stepped in to stop the fight. Like you said, there.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Was no horn. It's not like Dan. He waved he
literally separate.

Speaker 4 (51:35):
Yeah, he got in there, waved them all.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
It was over.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
It was done for Vola gets on his feet and
looks like he's out on his feet, you know, as
he's being dragged back to his corner. I literally were
sitting here going all right, yeah, great, fights over. Then
they're like round two's gonna start, and we're like, what
the fuck is going on?

Speaker 1 (51:53):
He needs to be overruled by the commission right there.
They have the video, they can watch it instantly, can't they?

Speaker 5 (51:58):
It was so weird and I feel so bad for
Vola then had to go in there. I think one
judge gave him round two, but like, dude, to go
in there for another ten minutes and just take unnecessary
damage for no reason, not like he was getting pounded
on the whole time, but still like you're still in
a fight for ten minutes. He got rocked again in
round three, right, I think probably dude, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
Just the whole thing was a missing, like total fucking blunder.

Speaker 2 (52:21):
Yeah, and then the victim here is you know, I
know Matt Flolla doesn't feel that way, but and you
know good win by Kyle Nelson. He did exactly what
he was supposed to do and look pretty good doing it,
I might add, but that fight shouldn't have gone long
like the it's just oh my god, bro.

Speaker 1 (52:38):
Yeah, I don't get how they don't have someone they're
watching the screen going, sorry, Dan, you missed that one.
Let's fix it. Let's not let this man take punishment,
because ultimately, the Commission's biggest concern should be the fighters
well being, not just for the obvious nature of that,
but for the potential lawsuits and issues and medical problems
like that should be the first and foremost, without question,

(52:58):
thing that they're looking to protect. They did not protect
Matt Frovola there, That's just what that is. But let's
move on to topic number three. There was some big
breakthrough wins, of course on this UFC Vancouver cart. How
about Manon Farau in a big way at age thirty five,
putting her may flyweight title loss to Valentina Chefchenko firmly
in the rear view and snapping the five fight win

(53:19):
streak of a number five ranked Jasmine Jazzdavisius in just
over one minute. It took seventy four seconds on a
left cross to drop and eventually finish Jazzavisius. So, Luke,
what type of statement did the French kickboxer make in
terms of where she still stands at the higher levels
of this division as we await the Valentina Jeong Wailly

(53:40):
super fight November.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Bro That was about best case scenario. That was about
best case scenario because, as we've said before, Fierro has
some good wins and by the way, going into enemy
territory appears to be something of a specialty for her.
She can do that quite well too. But coming off
that Chefchenko loss, Okay, you lose to Schevchenko, no big deal.
And again, as I mentioned, she kind of made it
close as that fight wore on at least a little
bit later. But you know, she got beat up pretty

(54:04):
bad early and is otherwise, you know, typically not known
for being exciting fighter. B See, like, even when she
wins and she's dominant, it's because you know, they, like
the Aaron Blanchfields, can't control her. She kind of just
sticks and moves, and I thought she'd be doing some
sticking and moving here.

Speaker 1 (54:19):
Bro.

Speaker 2 (54:19):
She pasted Jasavissius with that one too, and then viciously
followed up. It was almost not just a great get
back fight, but like, look what else I can do? Fight?
Oh you thought you knew me from all of those
Let me allow me to reintroduce myself kind of a moment, right.
I still think she's got a lot of work to do,
but you know, uh she that was again I'm want

(54:44):
to say it, Jazz Divissius was coming in off a
hot streak and had looked, honestly, I thought the best
she'd ever looked at her career. She had the hometown
crowd behind her and Fiarroaut dispatched her with ease. That
was a very strong return performance. It's from the French woman.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
Yeah, I wonder if Farau can fight the winner. Does
she need to beat somebody in the interim. We do
have Natalia Silva ranked number one. I believe she's got
a big fight coming up. You got Grosso ranked three,
Blanche Field four, Jazz de Vicius was five coming in.
We'll see how that changes, and Macy Barbara at six.
Barber's got Karine Silvas soon. I'm not sure, long Alo,
do you know who to tell your Silva's facing next.

Speaker 5 (55:23):
Number one of her topology right now, she does not
have a fight booked all right.

Speaker 1 (55:27):
I wonder if that's a perfect fight her in Ferou.
But break through, break through, comeback performance here from Mana
And here's a couple of comments from the French woman
in the aftermath.

Speaker 12 (55:39):
To be honest, I have a big, big pressure for
this fight. But until I go inside, the catch disappear.
Wi Is exacts absolutely, this is man on two point zero.
It's all we work for my training camp.

Speaker 10 (55:53):
Yes it is. It is supers have on commage super stressful.

Speaker 12 (55:57):
I changed a lot of seeing new part of cornermen
and you sing, And I asked myself a lot of
questions until the fight. So but when I got when
I stepping inside the cage, I forgot every question and
everything goes straight. Isna on a You work a lot
on my boxing skills rings a camp and all my

(56:19):
coaches say.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Oh you you hit so hard.

Speaker 12 (56:21):
So perhaps to hear this, uh, make make it conscience
for me, and now I can play.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
With it's back.

Speaker 12 (56:30):
I'm I don't care who I have to face into
my next fight. I want to back early in this
division and.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
All two point zero. Maybe that can carry over momentum
wise into Serial Gun this weekend. I hate to have
to do this, Dan Murgilada, because you already had a
rough night. But we do have fan cam video of
the stoppage, which was protested by Jazz di Visus after
Luke did Dan get this one right?

Speaker 2 (56:55):
So, I mean Jazz Divisus is in big trouble. She
turns away, she shows I mean, yeah, that's not a
bad stoppage.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
I mean she was buzzed. You could tell she was buzzed.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
The question is the question is when you're see an
angle like that, actually doesn't tell you what you need
to know. The question would be what is she looking
at and are her eyes with it? You know what?
In what ways can you evaluate her behavior that indicates
intelligence defense and you need to actually have a closer
look at the right things. From there, it looked good

(57:27):
enough to me to stop. You could maybe argue a
little early, but that's that's not an egregious stoppage.

Speaker 1 (57:34):
Yeah, I think a little early, but overall safe because
she's face down, still getting hit, flush. She wasn't blocking
or throwing.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Even though or or reaching.

Speaker 1 (57:43):
She was even though she was conscious, still conscious. But
but look, she got buzzed, she got dropped. That is
the gray area where you know a stoppage is coming.
So you've got to do something to regain the confidence
of the referee. She didn't do that, So I ultimately
will give Dan that that credit in that regard on
an otherwise tough night. That is topic number three before

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Speaker 1 (59:46):
Yeah, ride the upside, or ride the lightning as Metallica
once sang, or ride the white lightning as Conor McGregor
seems to have done often these days. Luke, that's just
an editorial by me and not the show. Hey, Topic
number four, Let's continue down this UFC Vancouver undercard. There
was a lot to talk about on a card that
was loaded with things to see about. Marlon Cheeto Vera,

(01:00:09):
the former bandonweight title challenger, aggressively disputing his three round
split decision loss in a very competitive fight with a
streaking aim In Zababby, and despite Cheeto taking a year
off to reset himself following that recent three fight losing skid,
which included four losses in five fights overall. He walked
out of the cage angrily after this split decision defeat.

(01:00:31):
Does Cheeto have a case in saying what he did
postfight that he was robbed? And how much does this
victory ultimately convince you that the thirty seven year old
Zahaby the Ariel Hawani impersonator might be on his way
to real title contention. First, here's the tweet from cheetoh
the IG post. He says, today I won and the

(01:00:53):
judges robbed me. That was through translation, Luke Thomas. Does
Cheeto have a case here? In a pretty good fight?

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
O case? Yes, clearly one. Round two dropped him with
that jab and did some other good work. Zahabi had
a bit of a rebound at towards the end of
that round, but not enough to take it in my view,
So round two goes to Cheeto. Rounds one and far
close they were.

Speaker 1 (01:01:18):
Round three I think is clear for Zababy in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Okay, but I mean, I mean it was competitive throughout.
I agree that za Hobby's best round was clearly three
certainly better than two and and and better, and one
was you know, kind of it's obviously the swing round.

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Let's see the scorecards here, because round one seems to
be the swing round. Even though the Hobby landed significantly
more power shots. I thought Vera landed better power shots
that moved him a bit. And as you see the
three judges, one giving it to Zahab, two of the
three giving round one Toza Hobby. So that's ultimately the
decider in the split decision. In real time, I did

(01:01:53):
give Cheeto round one, so I think it's possible that
he could win. But I also think it's almost a
little bit of a stretch. That first round was so
close that to me, it's how you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Like it, not a robbery.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
Not a robbery.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
That's a tough break for Cheetoh when you take a
year off and try to reset, did he still not
do enough, which has been a problem with him at
times in your eyes?

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
I mean, here's the thing. I kind of noticed. Everything
was like, oh, he's starting sooner, he's you know, he's
gonna be busier, blah blah blah. He had numerically almost
the exact same output as he did in the Devison
Figuedo fight, he had more per round than he did
in the fight before that, which was the Chon O'Malley fight.

(01:02:35):
Obviously he had more aggregately because that was five rounds,
but through three he had slightly more there, but not
by a huge amount necessarily there either. My point being
is it wasn't like they kept talking about the time
off being restorative and then him changing his mindset, and
I think all of that is real, and it did
seem from an observational standpoint BC that he got to
work a little bit earlier than he did in other fights,

(01:02:57):
But the aggregate total and the way in which it
overall kind of went there wasn't substantive overhaul. It was
still a lot of the same. And so does he
have a case that he should have one rounds one
in rounds two? And overall it's still a competitive bout. Yes,
that's not an unfair thing to say, but a it's
not a robbery, And be the reason why it's not

(01:03:17):
a robbery is not just because it was close. It's
close because I didn't see a ton of change in
the game. I just saw a little bit, and that's
not enough to change your fortunes.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Yeah, not a robbery, not a tuma, but a tough
loss for a guy who is still quasi e Lee.
I think you saw that in space.

Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
He's here very good. Yeah, it's not the question, but
it's like you do. I don't know how many times
I gotta say this to fighters. If your fight is
at all close and it goes to the judges, you
cannot in any way rely on your interpretation of how
you saw it. You cannot do that. You must let
it just go and realize it is like you, whatever
you think it is, it may or may not in

(01:03:59):
that is just what it is anymore. And they have
a hard time with this, like you cannot leave it close.

Speaker 1 (01:04:04):
Well, whether or not you thought Amon's a hobby, was
a real contender coming in or not, or whether you
thought he had beaten Jose Aldo last time. He has
now won seven consecutive fights in this division. He's thirty seven,
though we talked about that. You know, the younger brother
for Ross the hobby. He's been around the game forever,
but it seems now in his late thirties that he's
really starting to put it in gear. I have to

(01:04:26):
say I wasn't cheering for him. I've not been overly
impressed by him, but this fight he showed me some adjustments.
He showed me really understanding the necessity of putting on
a surge late in rounds, particularly rounds two and three,
even though I did think he lost round two getting
dropped with that stiff jab, I'll have to say it, Luke. Overall,

(01:04:47):
he did kind of impress me. But there's a difference
between impressing on this level and the levels that will
come for him. How much are you a believer given
his age and the streak he's on that there's still
continued room for improvement. I mean, is it crazy to
think of this man in a title fight if this
keeps going.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
I listen, I've been very surprised. I did not think
Cheetah was going to lose that fight. Again, having watched it,
it's not surprising. But I'm thirty seven years old, you know.
I think the guys he was beating up until recently
were you know, respectable talents, but not in any way
a super impressive resume. But then, as we indicated, he

(01:05:30):
kind of turned the corner a little bit that I
al though, fight up at forty five no less here
he is back down at thirty five, and again he
got rocked pretty badly in the second round, but overall
just turns in. You know, he kind of hunts in pecks.
We see. You know, it's a little hard for him,
I think at times against these league guys to get
really sustained offense. But he has clearly improved his game

(01:05:51):
to the point where he's able to stay safe for
long periods. He's able to make pretty not heavy punches,
per se, but consistent contact. He's well rounded. He's smart, smart,
clearly well trained, veteran of this game, and it's foolish.
It's foolish to discount him. Do I look at the
tape and go, oh, future champion. No, I don't do that.

(01:06:13):
But the level of success he's achieved and the way
which he kind of keeps notching these victories, it's not
an accident. He puts an excellent effort. He's very prepared,
and however awkward he might look, to you, it's a
winning formula.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Well, he had a call out ready, and that was
sugar Sean O'Malley, the former champion, who was watching. Here's
his reaction. And look, before I get your take on this,
fight here is a hobby afterwards that he was shown
this video at the postfight press conference. Here's his reaction

(01:06:49):
to the reaction.

Speaker 4 (01:06:51):
I can't hear anything.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
I don't think, he says.

Speaker 6 (01:06:53):
I think he's reacting to you saying it, and like
it's like, oh, who me type?

Speaker 4 (01:06:58):
I mean that's good, you know, I mean it seems
like we're setting it up.

Speaker 2 (01:07:01):
Boys.

Speaker 10 (01:07:02):
It seems like we're setting it up. If he didn't
want it, he wouldn't have made a video.

Speaker 6 (01:07:05):
Yeah, how do you feel you would not fight?

Speaker 5 (01:07:07):
Like?

Speaker 6 (01:07:07):
Are you very obviously confident in that matchup?

Speaker 4 (01:07:10):
Yeah? I'm confident in any matchup.

Speaker 12 (01:07:11):
You know.

Speaker 10 (01:07:12):
Listen, I'm in the top ten now. If I'm not
willing to fight anybody in the top ten, what am
I doing here? You know?

Speaker 1 (01:07:16):
So I want to fight them all.

Speaker 10 (01:07:17):
He's number one, and I feel like the way things
are going with Marab, he's clearing out the division and like,
not to sound negative, you know, Sean Maalley is a
great fighter and all that, but he fought Marab twice,
so I don't think he's up next for the belt.

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
I feel like there's going to be maybe.

Speaker 10 (01:07:32):
Umar or Battista John, you know, there's some guys who
are going to get the title fight before, maybe Sean
Omalley because he lost to Marab two times. And I
don't mean that in a disrespectful way. So I feel
like I have the opportunity to fight somebody like number one,
so I want.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
To take it.

Speaker 6 (01:07:48):
Do you have a perfect timeline for that fight when
it could happen.

Speaker 10 (01:07:51):
I gotta get my nose checked and my face checked
to see what happened after this fight. But yeah, but
I guess you know, March June, you know, because he's
fighting in December sixth, I think or December fourteen.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
I don't know when Sean is fighting.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
He's fighting Song.

Speaker 6 (01:08:04):
Get Dong, right, hasn't been announced yet.

Speaker 10 (01:08:07):
Oh okay, I see it on Twitter. I don't know
if it's a rumor or whatever. That's not oh okay, Sorry, sorry,
I thought it was official. But yeah, let him take
his fight if he is fighting, if he's not fighting whatever,
I mean. I'll wait and Ramadan is gonna be in February,
so I'm not gonna be fighting Darry Rabadan.

Speaker 4 (01:08:22):
But after that already.

Speaker 1 (01:08:25):
The number one ranked O'Malley is linked to rumors for
Song Get Dong and given that the Ramadan is coming
up for as a hobby, that would make sense that
O'Malley would fight that in between. And I think we
all believe that Saturday's Umar versus Bautista fight will produce
the next title challenger, whether it is Yan in the
rematch or Morob that comes out with it. I mean,
you could have a trilogy depending on what happens, obviously,

(01:08:47):
but Luke, the good news for the hobby is ranked
number nine. He seems to be in the mix. I
think he deserves a fight at this level for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:08:55):
Yes he's earned it. I mean again, yes he's earned it.
He earned it. He is again he's hunting and pecking,
he's he's scratching in clawing, and he's collecting. But the
collection is substantial enough at this point to really warrant,
you know. And this, by the way, this was one
of those things we see. He beats Josealdo and he
gets rewarded back at bansamweight with a fight against a

(01:09:16):
guy who is still a relevant figure in that division,
and he you know, he got by him. However, controversy
you might say, which I don't think is very controversial
at all, But he gets by him. Yeah, dude, he
everything he's got at this point, he's earned. You can't
say it's some kind of luck or that they're just
favoring him or something. He's he's getting the job done.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, he really is in a big way. As we
look up and down the rest of this card. How
about twenty one seconds that's all it took for the
Bandamweight or Rici Long to send Cody Gibson down with
a loud right cross. Maybe it was the quickest stoppage,
but the brutality of that first punch was huge, whether
it was a Ricci Long or anyone else. You're picking
off the menu here, Luke, what else did you like

(01:09:55):
on Saturday?

Speaker 2 (01:09:56):
Yes, I'm pulling up my notes. Give me just one
second here, Yes, so this one a few directions you
could go BC and I want to get Long Island
Luke on this one? How about Yuceri Bell Bell? I
always mispronounce his name Bell Garwi, bel Gary Bell Garwi.
How do you say his last name? Longnand Luke?

Speaker 4 (01:10:12):
I don't know either.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Belle Gowerie something against Ozamond bel Becoy. I again, I
don't watch these fights with the sound on. So that
ends up sucking me up a little bit on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
But Bela Lagosi, I think that's how you.

Speaker 2 (01:10:21):
Yes, Bella Lagosi, the famous Hollywood figure in all seriousness,
Long Island, Luke, he took it to him angrily. This
was a huge upset, was it not? Because it was
It was like a mot was expected to kind of
roll over him.

Speaker 5 (01:10:34):
Yeah, he was like a plus two fifty underdog. It
upset a lot of people, threw a lot of wrenches,
A lot of dogs cashed on this car. Jordan Santos
as well against Danny Barlow was like a plus three
hundred dog.

Speaker 2 (01:10:45):
Also, how about Charles Jordan against Davey Grant. Yeah, he
looks the fuck at it and I want to say,
very impressive. Stop.

Speaker 5 (01:10:52):
I called that thirty seconds before it happened. I said,
Charles Jordaane is the walter walker of featherweight. He has
back to back guillotines. He's going to get another gear
teen club and sub guillotine.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Let's go called.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Yeah, So those were good for MEBC.

Speaker 1 (01:11:04):
How about Canada's Melissa Crowden at Bandam weight and her
debut Luke against Liz Boa. Did you not tune in
that early? It was a fairly strong performance.

Speaker 2 (01:11:12):
I saw the highlight. I will say this, SBC. So
you got the women's bandsamweight fight there, you got the
women's strawweight fight between Luciano and Oliveda, and then you
had the next women's fight, the women's flyweight contest at
Fiora versus Jadavissius all stoppages. You know that we have
been complaining that these they couldn't put it on each
other enough to really get the stoppage, and we got
three of them on this card.

Speaker 1 (01:11:33):
Well, yeah, that's right. Croden did get the stoppage and
then late in that third round I completely forgot about that.
But you know, hey, long Islan, look quickly, you think
a Rici Long should come out to a full Asian
uh inspired cover of Aqualong by Jethro Tell and just
changed the words a little.

Speaker 4 (01:11:49):
Bit, or that would be sick speaking.

Speaker 5 (01:11:51):
I'm not speaking of Jethro Tell, but just speaking of
music in general.

Speaker 4 (01:11:54):
So ever, Clear Sponge and Local.

Speaker 2 (01:11:56):
H last night it was Local H bound for the
floor of.

Speaker 4 (01:12:00):
Course they were Also they're a duo.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I didn't realize it's it's just two of them, that's it, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:12:05):
Don't tell me Ever Clear was washed because bands from
that era, unfortunately are starting to be washed.

Speaker 5 (01:12:10):
So I saw Everclear a year ago and they were
washed as shit. They were actually better this time around,
or maybe I just had low expectations.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
How washed can Ever Clear be? They're playing three chords
the whole time.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
That's fair.

Speaker 5 (01:12:22):
They're all former heroin addicts who are thirty something in
the nineties, so there's something former heroines.

Speaker 2 (01:12:30):
Yeah, ig Iggy Pop is still out there at ten
thousand and six fucking re forming, so you know it
can be done.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
We can't live beside the ocean, no Father of min Yeah,
there you go. Hey, Topic number five, Get ready. It's
this Saturday in Abu Dhabi pay per view time. That's
why we are getting back together in two days for
a pregame preview. It's UFC three twenty one and the
Heavyweight Championship in the main event on the horizon. And

(01:13:01):
this UFC three twenty one storyline segment on the road
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won't slow you down. Yeah, we're talking Total Wireless. What
I'm talking about storylines is this pressure. We had the trainer,

(01:13:21):
of course, of Cyril gonferdnand Lopez coming out this week
and saying he believes tom Aspinall is under more pressure
to defend his undisputed championship after John Jones gave up
the belt against Cyril Gan than any fighter he can
remember in decades. I talked to Cyril Gun this morning
for an interview that you can see coming up on

(01:13:42):
the BCX, and he said, look, Aspinall's got pressure, for sure,
but so do I After of course laying eggs and
big title losses to John Jones and Francis and Ghano,
but Luke specifically to Tom Aspinall. People expect him to
win this. People don't even think Cyril Gun does this
title shot because of how close and disputed that rematch

(01:14:04):
with Volkoff was just a few months back. So how
much pressure do you believe Tom Aspinall is under to
live up to his own hype and not fall victim
to the words of John Jones that he's not worthy
of a big super fight as he enters this fight
against anything but Red Hot Gone.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
I think the pressure is enormous, enormous. He's now the
full weight class champion and this is a title defense.
That's the first thing, Like, you've never actually been in
this position. You've kind of always been the guy who's
been the plucky upstart, well not plucky, but you know,
certainly the upstart, and now you're not. Now those considerations

(01:14:44):
are gone. Second of all, you're neither person's home territory. Okay,
it's not about that per se, but you know there's
no necessarily well, I mean, I guess we'll see if
the Brits travel for that one. That could be interesting
to see. I guess I guess we'll point that out
a later time. But the point is this, b see,
you know, Cyril gone, for all his problems, he is
a good striker. He is a good athlete certainly, and

(01:15:06):
I think has gone to much later distances in fights
than Tom Aspinall has. You know, just the fact that
he might be able to take him into the third round,
which has not happened yet, for his UFC tenure could
be proved massively consequential. There's still a lot we don't
know about Tom Aspinall. And again we've been consistent on

(01:15:27):
this show, which was you know, maybe people think that
Tom Aspball would have beaten John Jones. Maybe you think that.
I tend to think that too, but I don't know that.
And in fact, there's a lot about Tom we don't
know and we never got tested. The whole point about
John having to fight him was like, that's the guy
not that we because of his place that he earned,
not that, Oh, that's the guy that we think one

(01:15:48):
percent can beat you. Again, I tend to think he
probably would, but there is so little for a guy
this accomplished BC. There is shockingly little known about him
and terms of ways he can be pushed and what
happens to him when he does get pushed. This is
there're still you can't believe it, but we're still in
a fact finding operation. Poeton is talking about coming up

(01:16:10):
to this weight class. He didn't necessarily spotlight, you know,
Aspenall per se, but there's not a lot of interesting
contenders for him. If he bottles this, this would be
cataclysmic for UFC because who else would they even promote
in this way class? Yes, I guess gone at that point.
Who is popular in France and that is an important
marketing Get.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
A volkof trilogy with God?

Speaker 3 (01:16:31):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Oh my god, he has to get by al Mada
this weekend. I mean, you know, or whatever, they're fighting again.

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Uh, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:16:38):
So I'm just saying everyone's kind of thinking like, oh,
gone and has showed us his cards, and he's not
good in a lot of areas, and Tom will just
walk over him and happily have after That's probably what happens.
But there's still enough unknown about Aspenall that you should
be very careful about just declaring this is the next
step in his journey.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I fully agree. And by the way, God did tell
me this morning that if he wins the championship on Saturday,
he'd be more than happy to welcome Alex Pereira as
a first title challenger. So that is interesting. Even if
we believe Perera is headed toward a white House fight
with John Jones, that would be of course non title.
The DraftKings odds at this moment Tom Aspinall and minus

(01:17:18):
three to eighty betting favorite plus three hundred for Cyril Gone, which, again,
everything you said was accurate, Luke. The things we don't
know about Aspinall and the fact that he is nearly
a four to one favorite to get this done rightfully,
So when you consider the slide gone has been on
outside of that bounce back stoppage of Sergei Spevak immediately
after the John Jones fight. I don't know if we've

(01:17:41):
seen Gon look like Pete Gon more than just that
fight in like his last four or five. It's just
the way it is to Avasa fight included in there
where he did take damage. But here's Tom Aspinall directly
talking about this topic topic of pressure on him entering
this fight.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Are you feeling pressure on this one night?

Speaker 13 (01:18:00):
Of course, like if you're getting a fist fight in
front of millions of people with somebody else, you should
be feeling pressure.

Speaker 2 (01:18:07):
You should be feeling pressure.

Speaker 13 (01:18:10):
The difference is, I think that I do really really
well against pressure. I think that Cyril is an extremely
talented fighter. I think that sometimes the pressure gets a
little bit too much for him, gets too much for
everybody at some stage. But I think that I'm one
of the people who shine under pressure. Like I've seen.
Somebody told me recently that the elite fighters it means

(01:18:32):
everything to them, but they do it like it means nothing.
And I think that that's the approach that I have
really well, is like this fight means absolutely everything, but
I've got to go in there like I don't care
about it and put on a great performance. And this
is Cyril's third title shot. And although there's a lot
of pressure on me, I think there's also a lot
of pressure on him because if he doesn't win this one,

(01:18:52):
he's probably not going to get a fourth, do you
know what I mean. So it's there's pressure on both
of us. Mate, there's a lot of pressure on me,
there's a lot of pressure on him, and thinking of
sit next scign fight all round.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
I wonder how much pressure is on Luke's bowels this
deep into the show, But that's a.

Speaker 2 (01:19:05):
Topic sped three times of course.

Speaker 1 (01:19:08):
For another day.

Speaker 4 (01:19:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
Speaking of Gon though, we do have this video a
couple months old, but it's interesting. It's him sparring with
teammate there or countryman Nasardine Imovov and getting ragdolled by
the middleweight. Luke Gohn told me today that he's more
than ready if this fight goes to the ground. He said,
people never got to see how hard he actually does
work because of how disastrous the John Jones fight was.

(01:19:32):
But man, he doesn't look like he's doing well in
these moments here he's.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Not getting ragdolled. This is not ragdaled, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:38):
He's getting he's getting uh, initially it looked like he was.
He was getting thrown around a little. I know they're just.

Speaker 2 (01:19:44):
Show one more time. Let me talk this through, show.

Speaker 1 (01:19:45):
Yeah, talking through. I'm an I'm a white belt. Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
Here comes their open stance. He shoots to the double,
goes behind, and he puts a cereal on his hands.
He stands back up, He returns into the mat. He
stands back up, He breaks the hands, He returns into
the mat. He holds him a little bit here off
his pen, but he rolls through, stands back up. You
get a front headlock here. You gotta be careful. They
got the other gloves. I mean, what I would say
is Imavov is making him work for it. But this
is not in any way ragged alling.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
That is good to hear. Ultimately there for serial gain, for.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Serial gain, as John Jones refused everything I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:16):
Did ask him about that today, not to give away
all the good moments, bona mein is here. Luke here
is a pick up the rest of Saturday's UFC three
twenty one card. Of course that comin event Jandiroba Dern
two for the vacant UFC strawweight title. You can see
some other names that we know far too well on
this card, including Umar and Malcomettov in a very important

(01:20:39):
fight against Mario Bautista. You got Volkoff almeta rackets from
r Zakhanoff. Luke, is there anything else storyline wise or
just matchup wise? I mean, I know you've got Hamdi
abdel Lahab versus Chris Barnett circled on your undercard.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
Well though the Chris Barnett one is great because he's
representing Spain even though he's American. That's fun. Honestly, it's
definitely got to be normal made off just getting back
to the winning column. But also old Mrza Khanov might
have Rackage's number. I mean, Rackage is big, physical, He
can do a lot that I think Murza Khanoff can't.
But MRSA Khanoff's got a natural kind of quick flow

(01:21:16):
to the way he moves, fast feet, fast hands. You know,
good combos. Might that might be real tough for rackets.
That's a that's a good fight. That's one of the
sleeper fights for me that I actually care about.

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Yeah, yeah, good stuff right there, long out look do
you you you are a god?

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
You are a The guy was asking me on prop
quizt to name like Odie Osborne's like first three fights,
and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:21:39):
Like, you're telling me Rebeki Rabunk Rabi versus Klin is
gonna be something.

Speaker 4 (01:21:45):
Here, Kin, those are two like unranked all action guys.

Speaker 5 (01:21:50):
That's gonna be all right now, finally whatever you want ball,
they're gonna have sex.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
Brian Campbell.

Speaker 1 (01:21:58):
Yes, yes, finally Jim Lampley will be proven, right, Luke,
you know what I mean? Right, Yeah, they Okay, that's weird.
Thank you very much. They love Yeah this Saturday, UFC
three twenty one. Do not miss our pregame preview this Wednesday,
eleven am Eastern on the YouTube's Live in direct from
New York. Luke, I know what I wanted to close
with here. To paraphrase the great Chuck Mindenhall, who will

(01:22:21):
be joining us, when he said the poetan Izzy famous
story content. We all think this story is about Tom Aspinall.
Maybe it's about Cyril Gone. You know what I'm saying.
At the end of the day, Maybe this is serial's story.

Speaker 2 (01:22:35):
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Speaker 1 (01:22:38):
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Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
It depends on what you want that's true. But Yeahina drama.

Speaker 1 (01:23:46):
You know she I mean she called Sean Strickland out
about what he said about women in politics. You know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:52):
Yes, I did see that.

Speaker 4 (01:23:53):
All right, all right, it was.

Speaker 1 (01:23:54):
Great talking to you.

Speaker 4 (01:23:55):
There we go.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
That's our five topics for the day. But now we
give you the family opportunity to reach out and touch
us with a question. Every Sunday night at morning combat
on IG and X. It's time for you guys to talk.
This one's called DMS from the Digities Rights. Show me

(01:24:24):
your oh face. This first one's from License Ring Jay
seventeen seventy five. That's our guy, Joe run dem Cheeks.
He's a marine for life. Luke. Favorite fall activity to
do with your family, Luke, I'm a leaf peeper. I
like long drives with the sun roof open, the tunes playing,
checking out them fall colors. Do you have that in DC?

Speaker 2 (01:24:47):
Do we have the fall? The season of fall in.

Speaker 1 (01:24:50):
The you have like the changing of the leaves and like,
I know, it's New.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
England spectacular here. Yeah, I mean summer is it's a
swamp here, so it's terrible. Winter. Last winter killed my dog.
It was so fucking cold, you know what I mean?
Like spring is spring is okay, but it's rainy. It's
rainy fall, dude, is they Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
But you get them flowers, those pink blossom things.

Speaker 2 (01:25:10):
Right, Like I give a fuck about those things. I'm talking.
I like, I like the fall. Fall is the king
of seasons. Alright.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
What do the Thomases do when it's like, heydukes, get
your shoes on. We go and falling right now?

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
We like to go picnicking in DC. There's actually a
ton of places to go. We go to Rock Creek
Park where everybody who knows the area. We go to
gravel we love. Our favorite is Gravelly Point. That's the
thing we love to do. Do the bike riding in
DC when fall is out, with all the trails around,
all the monuments and stuff, it is absolutely beautiful and spectacular.
And then also, you know, there's believe it or not,

(01:25:44):
just outside the city, just actually like in northern Virginia
and then even in PG County there's like a bunch
of little farms to go do, like take the you know,
the kids can go play with the goats, you can
go pumpkin picking, all kinds of fun stuff. So we're
actually pretty lucky falls well accommodated here.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
You're riding off cherry blossoms. That quick did remind me
of the time the Spring.

Speaker 2 (01:26:02):
You don't watch that's the Spring.

Speaker 1 (01:26:04):
I remember that time on the show. You're like, I
never saw an anime movie except for all those other
ones I've commented about before.

Speaker 2 (01:26:09):
I mean, it's one studio though, It's like, I'm a
fan of the studio less so that they the medium
itself is interesting.

Speaker 1 (01:26:16):
Would you allow yourself a pumpkin spice latte this season
just to celebrate.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
Only as a way to buy it and then throw
it in someone's face? Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:26:24):
Was that what you were doing at the No King's
launch on Saturday? Saturday?

Speaker 2 (01:26:28):
I was. I was biking right by the No Kings launch.
I was not. I was not participating, Not that me
have anything against the per se, but I got ship
to do with my family.

Speaker 1 (01:26:36):
You're like, whether it's that or jan six, I'm busy.

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
I don't care. Listen, I'm all for smearing shit on
the walls of the lawmakers, but I just didn't have
sweet all right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Question two comes from, oh, I know this guy. That's
Joe Murphy, a man and his cat. Do you believe
corners and coaches should be celebrated more for saving their
fighters by throwing in the topel?

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Yes, yes, absolutely, hell yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
It happens in boxing to such a degree that it's
barely even noticed. Yes, like you know what I mean,
it's just oh yeah, the corner chuck to towel, you know,
and that's just part of what it is at MMA.
It's like, oh did you see that they actually went
ahead and did it. There's like this weird you know,
you can persevere culture.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
Oh yeah, just bleed. Indeed. Number three comes from Fayhee
underscore Liam, a boy named Liam in these day and age,
who was or is the greatest striker in UFC history
with incredible takedown defense?

Speaker 4 (01:27:29):
Is it?

Speaker 2 (01:27:29):
How are we deciding Poeton has incredible takedown defense?

Speaker 5 (01:27:32):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
I said us, I meant UFC history. Sorry, So they
want who is the greatest striker who also has incredible
takedown defense. The options they gave are Poeton, although Isy,
Edson and Silva.

Speaker 2 (01:27:45):
Also none of put those back up. The only one
of them that has incredible takedown defense is Aldo.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Yes, that's the only No, I mean, Poton stuffed all
twelve against let's not, let's not.

Speaker 2 (01:27:56):
How many stuff against Cormier? That's right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:59):
I hear that you gotta throw Chuck Ladell in this conversation,
don't you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:03):
He was sort of the original sprawl and brawl type.
You can put him on that list is he has
very very very good takedown defense up along de fence.
It's out in open space where it's it's less good.
What are the other names? Will throw it one more time?
One more time? Sorry, Edson Barboza, he has okay takedown defense,
but he can be overwhelmed with volume. And then were

(01:28:24):
we talking about Anderson Silva?

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
I think that's Anderson Silva because I did see Vonderlay
recently go down to a big punch.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
So Anderson's takedown defense eventually got very good, but there
were long stretches of his career where his takedown defense
was not very good. So again, of that list, the
only one with proven takedown defense against elite wrestler guys
is Aldo.

Speaker 1 (01:28:50):
That's the may not have respect for Max Holloway here,
He's not on that list. He's not on that.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
List, right, poetson Aldo? Is he Edson Silva? Of the
those names? Yeah? Yeah, yes, what do I agree that
Holloway has very like amazing take down defense. Yes, of course,
of course.

Speaker 1 (01:29:06):
Yeah. And by the way, an old Jose Aldo kep
morob over on takedowns, which is wild.

Speaker 2 (01:29:12):
Which is insane to consider, but he did it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Uh, let's go over to flannels and JITs and I
did want to make sure we had a room for
this in the show. Unfortunately there Uh the fine coach
of Rufus sport kickboxing legend in his own right. Uh,
Duke Rufus passed away. Do you have a favorite moment
or memory? Unfortunately, Luke, I've never interviewed him, I never interacted.
But what what what do you have to say about

(01:29:36):
what the imprint?

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
You know, bringing up so many great fighters, including the
Pettis brothers, and you had Paul Felder speaking about it
emotionally on Saturday's broadcast. What do you remember most here
about the great Duke Rufus.

Speaker 2 (01:29:47):
It's been a really terrible year for people I've known
professionally in MMABCEE. Jordan Breen died, Thomas Jerbasi died. Now
Duke Rufus, I'm sure others as well. Duke was Duke
was a lovely man. I mean maybe, you know, everyone
has own their own opinions about him, but I can
only speak to the Duke that I knew. I worked
with him when I was the ringside reporter of Glory

(01:30:09):
and he was the commentator, initially with Mara Ronalo and
then eventually BC with ron Kruck, and we used to
go to dinner and Duke he was a talker, you know,
he talked a lot. But dude, it's just so funny. Man.
One of the few guys who every time I hung
out with them, first of all, asked about your family,

(01:30:30):
but more importantly would not stop talking about his family
and his dogs, like that's just what he loved and
lived for was them. And then as he told me,
some aer in Milwaukee, some are in Milwaukee was like
heaven to him. And you know, I brought this up.
I made a video about it because I actually feel
like it's important to say. Which is about ten or
eleven years ago, there was a controversy that surrounded him

(01:30:52):
an amateur fighter at RUFUS Sport. Now Duke was not there,
but an amateur fighter RUFUS Sport under a show with
that RUFUS Sport name. You know, this is Kickbox was
not regularly at the time there. It was same day
weigh ins, like just all the things that should not happen,
and you know, bad refereeing, and a confluence of factors
came together and that amateur box kickbox excuse me, ended

(01:31:16):
up dying. State never pressed any charges. Again, Duke was
not there, But what ended up happening was that controversy
then followed Duke because some fighters who had trained there
previously had kind of said that he had been running,
you know again in their estimation. You know, I think
one person had called it even abusive, but that you know,
a very hard nosed environment that wasn't conducive to success,

(01:31:39):
that maybe he was a bit over the top. And
every fighter agreed with that characterization. Danny Downs, for example,
who trained there for a long time, didn't agree to that.
But I bring us all up to say, not to
be merchanim, but quite the opposite, actually, which is number one.
Even prior to that time, I think his training had
gotten better and more humane. But I think that that
scandal actually, you know, really really affected him. And I

(01:32:00):
never heard another word about Duke's gym to that end
ever again from another person, And I'm you know, maybe
there are stories to tell him that way, but like,
having taught, I talked to him about that scandal and everything,
and it seemed to me that he just like he
even kind of admitted like they were. For example, he
even said, you know, they used to spar for strength

(01:32:21):
and conditioning, that that would they would spar their way
into getting ready for fights, and like, you can just
imagine what kind of culture that's gonna breed, especially with
a hard nosed coach, you know. But at the same time,
the truth about it all was, I think it really
really affected him, and he, to me devoted the rest
of his time training to being you know, tough love

(01:32:42):
be see, but the tough and the love, and trying
to be a patriarch in the gym, not in the
overbearing way, but as a leadership kind of way, and
trying to get the best out of everyone and pushing them,
but really understanding that there was a need for humanity
even in this crazy sport. There's a need for humanity,
even in you know, the way which you train. And

(01:33:04):
I think he really made some commitments to that towards
the end of his life, and I think that's all
you can really ever ask of someone. Yes, you don't
want them to make mistakes, and you can hold them
to account for that. But all of us are going
to do something stupid and potentially regrettable or other things
in life, and what you would hope for is you
don't make them. But if you do make them, that

(01:33:24):
you get the opportunity to live life right afterwards. And
I absolutely think that he did that. I think he
was a guy that at the end of the day,
really did care. And the last thing I'll say is
BC Jesus man, you just never know how long you've
got and we all stress over our work. I know
you do, I know I do. Maybe we shouldn't, you know,

(01:33:45):
maybe there's time is too short.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
I know, when you're waiting on a decision from someone,
or you're worried if you've made someone upset. I mean,
there's always these things in life that just derail us,
and we failed to look at the bigger picture very often.
I think that was very well said from a Midwestern
legend there in Duke Rufus, who did a lot to
the sport, brought a lot of great fighters up Hey.
He even gave us cmpunk twice. Luke's a shout out

(01:34:09):
to him in that regard. Our final question of the
DMS this week comes from Underscore g Malik. Underscore, how
about that for a name? We've seen this before, but
let's update it, Luke, what's your damn death row meal?
They also want to hear from Nocita, so let's find out,
Luke Thomas. You know I'm gonna pick my late Mimas
Thanksgiving meal with the meat pie and the cheap stuff

(01:34:30):
and in the cheap cranberry sauce with with no lumps
in it. No, we don't want any lumps in this house,
all right? You know I'm going there.

Speaker 2 (01:34:36):
You just want straight processed gelatin.

Speaker 1 (01:34:39):
Yep, I do, Luke, where are you going? Probably did
some high priced DC restaurant with a drink with a
flag coming out of it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:46):
Maybe, Oh yeah, the drink with the flag, you got right,
but the high price known unnecessarily. I just want a
nice steak. It isn't to be super special on like, oh,
a five Japanese wag you and I don't give a fluck.
Just a nice cutuch steak with some chimmy shory and
some fries. To be honest with you, Like, all.

Speaker 1 (01:35:00):
Right, I'll take that tortillera. I'll take that meat pie.
I mean, throw in a hair pie if you got
one too, or you.

Speaker 2 (01:35:05):
Would, dude your last meal. If they told you it
was RB's steak nuggets, you would still be okay with it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:10):
Now give me two beef and cheddars, curly fries and
the jamocha shake and that's heaven on earth. L I
L what does what do you got here?

Speaker 2 (01:35:18):
What is the answer? You can't eat marijuana. You have
to eat Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:35:22):
I wasn't gonna say marijuana, but I was gonna say,
whatever it is. I want it to be like lace
to shit and just get me so fucking high, like
tripping balls. Because if I'm gonna I'm on death row anyway,
like I might as well.

Speaker 1 (01:35:33):
Oh I'm dead the ultimate high. Yeah well yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:35:36):
So as far as food, though, you guys went more
like dinner, I was thinking more like dessert, something a
little indulgent, maybe like a brownie with like a scoop
of vanilla ice cream on top of it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:46):
Or see that's like, baby, that's pretty basic.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
That's pretty But if it was infused, and miss motherfucker's like, yo,
my last meal, I want marijuana infused cheesecake.

Speaker 4 (01:35:53):
Fact, that's not cheesecake but brownie. Yeah, that's what I want.

Speaker 2 (01:35:58):
Can I be honest, I don't like the brown the
ice cream combo. I think that's an overrated combo.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
I also think that's overrated. I mean, even something simple
and basic like the apple pie vanilla ice cream combo
is kind of basic, even though it's tremendous.

Speaker 2 (01:36:10):
But it's yes, that one I'm a little bit more
on board with. But I also feel like it kind
of ruins the It makes the but it makes the
brownie a little cold to eat, which I don't want.
You know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
All right, honorable mention to my mom's lasagna. Beef lasagna
just tremendous too as well. Hopefully I'll die twice so
I can get both meals.

Speaker 2 (01:36:27):
Luke, all right, you know someone's gonna have to clean
up my feces after I eat all that, and I
don't know who it's gonna be, but maybe it'll be
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Speaker 1 (01:39:20):
Yeah, and maybe hello to getting back in the game.
If you know what I'm talking about, do you would you?

Speaker 2 (01:39:26):
I'm a game brother, Yeah yeah. Can you imagine having
to date at this age of our lives the.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
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but maybe some people can tell me if it's wrong.
Is they got the apps now? They took away all
the areas of where you know, and maybe that would
benefit us even more if we were single dads with
a convertible and a bald spot because we had to
actually have game. And I'm not saying I had game,
but I failed enough to develop the need for game.

(01:39:54):
You don't need game anymore. Right, you just need to swipe.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
I think you need a little bit more. I mean,
but well, I don't know what you need quite frankly,
but I know that the like the the idea at
age forty six will be like, oh told me about
your hobbies.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
I tell you about this hog right? No? No, no, no, hey,
al right, do you know what I did on Sunday?
I scoured the globe for the good, the bad, the.

Speaker 2 (01:40:16):
Hut yourself in appropriately.

Speaker 1 (01:40:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the good, the bad, the ugly, all
that stuff going on and combat sports and beyond. This
is your familiar viral video segment that makes people happy
at the end of the day. Except for nine to
eleven fans. Uh. That will be none of that nine
to eleven fans, none of that slender anymore. This one's
called bec specs.

Speaker 2 (01:40:48):
I like. I like how you framed that as fans
of nine to eleven, Like they're really besmirching the good
nine to eleven. Name what they're with their jokes about it, like.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Yeah, not good, but a whoa for everybody out there
who's shooting Okay, shoot one down. Let's go with UFC
Vancouver time. Look, this is a real thing. Vancouver police
are legit investigating the fan who stuck his phone out
in front of Brendan Allen during his walkout out of
the main event, which people are saying that it's a
hostaged woman put the lotion in the basket. Do you

(01:41:21):
believe this? This was weird, dude, this was weird.

Speaker 2 (01:41:24):
I don't know what it is. I know Reddit was
kind of all over it, but I hope it's nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:41:29):
And if it's like gets sentiled. Because I didn't see
this live, did it really happen?

Speaker 2 (01:41:33):
I don't remember. I didn't watch the walkouts, so I
can't say long.

Speaker 1 (01:41:39):
I don't look, you've held women against their will in
the past. What do you make of this?

Speaker 5 (01:41:43):
What I make of it is I don't remember it
happening live, but I did see a few people say
they went back and it was there.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
I don't know if they're lying as well, But I
don't know, dude. Is it nothing? Is it someone?

Speaker 5 (01:41:53):
And also are they holding that person hostage and trying
to draw attention to it or are they trying to
draw attention to their person that they.

Speaker 4 (01:41:59):
Know that's being held out. I have a lot of questions.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
This sport is so weird. That we all just looked
at it. We're like, yeah, I could believe it. Okay,
what's next? What else you got? You want this? Or
American Gladiators? You know what I mean?

Speaker 10 (01:42:08):
Like?

Speaker 4 (01:42:08):
What?

Speaker 1 (01:42:09):
Okay? Great? Speaking of weird refereeing this weekend, how about
Jason Herzog got caught looking at the octagon girls behind,
got called out on Twitter and then liked the tweet. Luke,
what do you make of this development?

Speaker 2 (01:42:23):
Sometimes you just got a you know, officer, you got me? Yeah,
time to take me in a.

Speaker 1 (01:42:30):
All right, let's get more crazy here this week in
Oscar Willis. Oscar Willis was previewing all week his return
to combat sports under the Fight Circus banner, where he
was going to do, among other things, be part of
a beer boxing match, But first he had to enter
rehab to prepare.

Speaker 2 (01:42:49):
I funked up. Uh yeah, it's pretty bad.

Speaker 9 (01:42:51):
You got some rotator cuff tears in here?

Speaker 2 (01:42:55):
This all more it?

Speaker 1 (01:42:56):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:42:56):
That one's just great.

Speaker 9 (01:42:57):
You can't ask it?

Speaker 5 (01:43:02):
Hey, what drunks do you have in here?

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
And Luke? To promote it on site, he brought in
Gabby Garcia.

Speaker 3 (01:43:14):
Hey, guys, Fight Circus is officially free tickets and if
you get here before seven.

Speaker 1 (01:43:18):
Gabby Garcia will shit on your chest for free.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
Why weren't we there?

Speaker 1 (01:43:26):
If you're wondering for the payoff, here's a little bit
of it. We gotta bend, not not the Cleveland Steamer.
We got to bend the Bane Davis running and it
got a little bit wild. Luke, I don't know how
to describe what's happening, So why don't you do it?

Speaker 4 (01:43:38):
Please?

Speaker 2 (01:43:42):
That's a circus, yeah, I mean, this is well appted.
This is a part of the fight game. They just
lean into the circus. Yeah. Yeah, And Mike, Mike Fowler
was the first one to put the cheetah hair or
the leopard hair whatever it is. Yeah, it's fun. I
mean I'm an old you know, piece of ship, but
those are fun and things.

Speaker 1 (01:44:01):
All right. Speaking of Cleveland Steamers, Luke, they got these
new couples challenges you into this. You see it on TikTok,
then you and your wife try to perform it. Let's
watch one alright ready, yeah, be careful, be careful, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:44:28):
I mean, these people, how do how do they live
after this? This is not a thing I could do.

Speaker 1 (01:44:36):
You said, you have been part of a few Dutch elephans.
You have said that you have.

Speaker 2 (01:44:39):
Been typically you know when everyone else is sleeping. You
know what I mean? Where I'm just what you know?

Speaker 5 (01:44:45):
All right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:45):
What do you think about this couple's challenge? Instead, let's
get away from flatulens.

Speaker 2 (01:45:01):
That's fucking bob.

Speaker 4 (01:45:10):
Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:45:10):
Tell me about your show. Well, I have this partner
and from a small town in Connecticut full of dirtbags,
and we watched videos where he watched He shows us
men farting in the faces of their significant others and
then jokes about nine to eleven.

Speaker 13 (01:45:23):
I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:45:25):
On this show. We're waiting for it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:27):
R I p Dale Senior. Uh you ever wonder how
to ruin a first date?

Speaker 4 (01:45:30):
Luke?

Speaker 2 (01:45:38):
I am so sorry. That is so gross that it's
so embarrassing. I am so sorry about that. Don't worry
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:45:45):
I have a three year old son, I have you
you have kids. You know it was going great until
she said that, right, Yeah, it seemed to be He
seemed to be going, well, yeah, there it is all right.

Speaker 4 (01:45:59):
Hey.

Speaker 1 (01:45:59):
Paul Malnaji, forty four years old, back into the ring
on Saturday in England and won a bare knuckle fight.
But look at the before and after, so you want
to be a bare knuckle fighter. Luke, good lord, he
won the fight.

Speaker 2 (01:46:13):
Bro, it looks like he's wearing Loki's helmet with the horns.

Speaker 1 (01:46:18):
Dude, the amount of injuries he took in winning this
fight are so extreme that let's hear from him to
tell you about them.

Speaker 4 (01:46:26):
You know what's up, everybody.

Speaker 3 (01:46:27):
I just want to give everybody a big thanks for
all your well wishes. I'm fine. I'm still in Lead's
General Hospital. This is crazy, by the way. I don't
know how it works in the UK. I still have
not been stitched up. It's it's it's four thirty in
the morning. I got here ten o'clock. Still have not
been stitched up. Guys, the extra aid meat didn't give

(01:46:49):
me the results of my hands. They gave me a
cat's game. I've got broken ribs in the back from
the old rabbit punches, another rab punch of the punches.
I have my kid broke my ribs with the kidney punches,
my my lower rib on my left side, and I
have my eyes are too foggy still. When they put

(01:47:11):
the light in the really bright light, it's too foggy
for them to tell the extent of the damage. They're
hoping that it's just you know, pope and that's it.
But it's too foggy, which means there's bleeding back there,
so they have to check for a retinitear and until
that clears up, they can't really make a judgment on
whether I have a torn right now, and I pray

(01:47:32):
it obviously put it dot that I don't have him
torn right now.

Speaker 1 (01:47:35):
God. I mean, look, he would continue and there were
even more injuries. His hands are ballooned, and he won
kind of dominantly in that little Tragon triangle ring. This
is why I have to say. I know BKFC can promote,
they can promote, and they get people that we like
watch fighting, but I really don't like bare knuckle. It's
sort of like next level gnarly for the sake of it,

(01:47:56):
you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Dude, it's weird. I never thought that the cuts in
him on people's faces, even from elbows or punches, would
look surgical compared to the cuts in bare Knuckle, where
it looks like someone just took their fingers and ripped
it apart. You know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:48:12):
It's grody. You get you get you you wear those
scars for life, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:48:15):
Oh yeah, you're different after that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:17):
Lord, all right, let's hit this week in sound bloopers.
It's time for the weather report. Great time to go
out the door right now and take a dump or
take and take a jump. A sure, this is a

(01:48:39):
Joseph A. Banks.

Speaker 2 (01:48:40):
Yes, it's like, why are you going outside? Just go
to the men'swear store. They've they've got you covered.

Speaker 1 (01:48:47):
All right, let's go to the NFL broadcast. Clean up
the field after this.

Speaker 2 (01:48:50):
Knock on him. That was what he did the best.
But he can do it all. He's been coming all
over the field. He's got to catch over forty yards
in all three games this season, and he's getting it
on right now for.

Speaker 8 (01:49:00):
This offer and with quarter so Fortino had some success
with me.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
Yeah, I'm not I'm not Peter North. I can't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:49:07):
Thank you, Thank you. Danny Swift. Garcia had that retirement
party I referenced in Brooklyn on Saturday. Here is the
call me Chris al Jerry and Ochrayis says he took
out the overmatch Daniel Gonzales in round four style. What
do you think I mean?

Speaker 4 (01:49:21):
Look obviously?

Speaker 1 (01:49:22):
Oh hold that thought down, ghost Gonzales in round four.

Speaker 9 (01:49:28):
He's done.

Speaker 4 (01:49:29):
He is done.

Speaker 2 (01:49:30):
He rolled his He broke his ankle, too his angle.

Speaker 11 (01:49:32):
He rolled his ankle.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Joy farewell to Brooklyn. An explosive knockout finish for Danny
Swift Garcia. Something tells me this is the last, the
last I saw that coming. Well, sir, why are you yelling?
There's no one there? Okay, that's great and here's the

(01:49:55):
pick of the Also.

Speaker 2 (01:49:56):
It was nice of Danny to hold a fight in
the middle of Barnes and Noble.

Speaker 1 (01:50:00):
I have to say it was a fun time getting
work with these great gentlemen. That's Ac on the left,
Current Batia who did the ring announcing, Andre Birdo, Tao
Femo Lopez Junior, Chrystal Jerry, shout out to everybody there
Swift Promotions. It was a fun night at the office.
I did appreciate the opportunity there. And goodbye to our
to dsg Luka. You know those guys, whether it's even
mayor boxing, when when their star rise aligns with you

(01:50:23):
entering the business and then now they're the old guy
and they're retiring, you feel like it's a part of
you that's retiring.

Speaker 2 (01:50:30):
You know what I'm saying, you know, Rod Salka can
breathe easy tonight. You know what I'm saying?

Speaker 1 (01:50:34):
That is true, That is very true. All right? Speaking
of the NFL, Luke number reason number five hundred and
seventy six, why you shouldn't intend an NFL game or
bring your family. This is a Washington commander's version of
this reason.

Speaker 2 (01:50:46):
Yeah, I mean why would you go? I mean this
is this is you know, hey, do you want a
chili dog with those ye look at look at John
Riggins here forty Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:50:54):
Look, that's why they call them the nosebleed seats.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
Right, Yeah, well I didn't I thought Riggins was retired,
but no, no, he just moved to the nosebleeds is
out there just beating up on old dudes.

Speaker 1 (01:51:04):
Yeah. Those are your people, Luke, those are your citizens.

Speaker 2 (01:51:07):
No, these are Dundalk's finest. Are you kidding me?

Speaker 1 (01:51:11):
Oh boy, oh boy?

Speaker 2 (01:51:13):
This is all right. Mary's County is the you know
duly elected there.

Speaker 1 (01:51:18):
Do you remember last week we showed that picture of
Lana's party and like it was backwards and it made
it look like there was something else going on in
that room, Luke, Well, Lana got married. Check out this proposal.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
Oh you know, will you or won't you do? Angle?

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
Sorry, Luke, I had you know, Reggie Jackson moment right there.
Thank you, Lana. We appreciate that, so does your new husband.
All right, Luke. Existential question of the week time.

Speaker 2 (01:51:49):
If a man has no arms and he has a
gun in his pocket, is that man armed or unarmed?

Speaker 1 (01:52:02):
Look? This seems like a good debate topic at William
and Mary in the late nineties. Where do you go
with that?

Speaker 2 (01:52:07):
He would be armed?

Speaker 1 (01:52:09):
All right? All right, I mean it's a hot dogust sandwich.
I don't know. It's time for MMA fighters in the wild, dude.
Check out this the best relationship in all of combat sports.
Poeton Perreira, who gifted his great coach Glover to share
with a motorcycle two years ago, now bought him a
brand new pickup truck. Luke, I love these two. This
is great.

Speaker 2 (01:52:31):
Yes, yes, but if I may, it's like, yo, I
bought you something that depreciates in value the instant. If
the lot here, just like, give him the money.

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
Okay, okay, no, thank you for the gift, but I'm
selling it instantly.

Speaker 2 (01:52:46):
Yeah, just give him the money.

Speaker 1 (01:52:48):
All right, I just I mean, look, we don't talk
about Glover as a coach enough. What I mean that
what a ride those two have had together.

Speaker 2 (01:52:56):
It's not surprising. He was well rounded, he was good,
He's like a great It seems like I'm not surprised
by his coaching success.

Speaker 1 (01:53:03):
Yeah, all right. Henry Shudo was surprised when he found
out that he was on a live stream while talking
to Rampage Jackson.

Speaker 11 (01:53:12):
Did that right in front of you?

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
In front of you, like behind you?

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
Yeah, decided he's got a oh yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 13 (01:53:26):
Yeah, all right, that one.

Speaker 8 (01:53:28):
I gotta tell you, you didn't know I'm live streaming?

Speaker 5 (01:53:30):
No, man, we lied.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
I thought you knew.

Speaker 5 (01:53:35):
We've been lied to.

Speaker 8 (01:53:35):
Hold on, really, yeah, I'm a streamer now, I'm not
a fighter.

Speaker 3 (01:53:39):
No Moore.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Uh, Luke. While I don't necessarily if you say that's
what I was gonna end up with, I don't agree
with the Jackson families live streaming of everything. But did
that man just called that as the fire box? Because
I'm not sure, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:53:57):
Yeah, not much about what just happened there is entirely surprising.

Speaker 1 (01:54:01):
All right. Well, let's see another MMA fighter in the wild.
Here's Yerie Prahatska. At his own birthday party. First, sorry,
First he's outside with his friends blowing fire, Luke, you
like that?

Speaker 2 (01:54:14):
I suppose, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:54:16):
And then it was his birthday party. He was hanging
out with the Schmoe and Helen Ye. They gave him
a cupcake with a candle. Look, he ate the candle.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
Does he know you don't have to do that?

Speaker 1 (01:54:34):
I think he just likes fire in his mouth. I
don't really understand it. But speaking of Yerie, let's get
an update on Prague's incredible history and their golden statues.

Speaker 6 (01:54:45):
The dog on this statue is so loved everyone's touching
in it's starting to turn gold.

Speaker 3 (01:54:49):
How wholesome is that You can even see a similar
web pattern on this statue in bitepest where people propped
aneath for good luck.

Speaker 2 (01:55:02):
I was wondering where that was going, Luke.

Speaker 1 (01:55:06):
We grew up in a time where people didn't talk
about other people nicely. We were allowed to just joke
aro out things that today would get you canceled. And
now I'm happy that. You know, Facebook wasn't around in
the late nineties. And you know, but some people, though
they're bold enough to say they'd never change. One of
those people is snoop Dogg.

Speaker 5 (01:55:24):
Do you look back at some of your old lyrics
given the climate of what's happening today with women's empowerment
and be like, Dan, that was kind of fucked up
that I.

Speaker 4 (01:55:31):
S no pal, No, that was me. I love every
motherfucking fucked him house.

Speaker 1 (01:55:39):
Okay, okay, are we having problems at home here? But no,
I'm just giving you the videos that people are talking
about with.

Speaker 2 (01:55:46):
These guys abusing their spouses and it has gone on
to now.

Speaker 1 (01:55:50):
The verbal.

Speaker 2 (01:55:52):
In addition to the signage backwards that also kind of
indicated dominion. You having some problems at home there.

Speaker 1 (01:55:59):
Boud No, No, it's not dominion, Luke. But uh it
is flatulant. I'll tell you that much. All right, Halloween
saison is heating up, Luke. This might be the costume
of the year for you to show up at a
kid's party. So tame that snake, right, charm it? Come on, right.

Speaker 2 (01:56:14):
I don't know about a kid's party, but certainly the
bus stop usually gets a few looks, you know what
I'm saying.

Speaker 1 (01:56:19):
All right, Well, your lawn is already scary enough because
you refuse to mow it. Why did you put this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Out or rake it. I don't rake leaves.

Speaker 1 (01:56:25):
Rayk. Why don'd you put this guy out front?

Speaker 2 (01:56:31):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:56:31):
Boy? Okay, we do have video of Flu'd.

Speaker 2 (01:56:36):
Like, Luke, why are you dressed like a clown?

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
Yeah, Luke, I don't. I hope you don't mind me
showing this. Luke sent me a video of him and
his family painting pumpkins this week for Halloween. Let's check
in what they did. That was missus. That's two key's pumpkin.
That's wonderful. A little violent, but that's okay. That's that's
a boy loves And here's here's Luke's. Yeah, okay, it's
a little much, but restive with children around, all right? Hey, yeah,

(01:57:01):
you know you once to ask me if I ever
if how long I knew Chuck Windenhall, and if I'd
ever seen him with hair, and the answer is no
because of that hat. But we did get an artist
to render what Chuck would look like with hair. Luke.
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:57:15):
He's got an Edgar.

Speaker 1 (01:57:17):
Wow, that is uh. That does change the way I
look at him, Luke. To be fair, you know what
I mean? That is uh, that is something right there. Okay,
all right, it's time to play would you eat Luke?
They call this this is for Italians only, a Canoli dog.
Would you eat this? Yeah, I'd eat that. I'd go

(01:57:38):
for that.

Speaker 2 (01:57:39):
You. I hope all these people get shot by a
drive by shooter.

Speaker 1 (01:57:42):
You wouldn't try a Cannoli dog? No, okay, all right?

Speaker 2 (01:57:48):
I hope all of them die.

Speaker 1 (01:57:49):
A favorite, A favorite of dyslexic kids for lunchtime. They
call this a dot hog. Would you try this? Would
you eat this?

Speaker 4 (01:57:58):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:57:59):
Once again, the person who prepared this I would cut
their hand off like it's the coat of hammer Robbie.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
All right, well, Luke, I've discovered a new seven eleven hat.

Speaker 2 (01:58:07):
So also, mixing the ketchup and the mustard together is
the work of an amateur. This is, be very clear
about it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:12):
I don't prefer it, but I like ketchup and mayo
together pink sauce. Yeah. Also, Luke, there check out this
seven eleven hack. We won't play the volume, but check
out what this guy's doing. Would you do it?

Speaker 10 (01:58:24):
So?

Speaker 1 (01:58:24):
You take the hot dog bun, you put the noo cheese.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
On it, all right? Is he gonna fart on it
or something? No?

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
No, you go over to the rollers, right, you get
one of them like chicken buffalo chicken covered things, right,
you know?

Speaker 2 (01:58:39):
Okay? Is he going to fart on it? Now?

Speaker 1 (01:58:44):
Then you get over and you get that Chipotle sauce.
You got to know where it is though, behind the
other he's got to reach around, Luke, You've done that, okay, okay?
And then and then.

Speaker 2 (01:58:54):
Uh, what part does he cry for help?

Speaker 1 (01:58:56):
No? He doesn't. And then and then you put the
chili on top of it, Luke. They call it the
joseph a okay, because that's where it's gonna send you.
Would you eat this seven eleven hack? Dude?

Speaker 2 (01:59:08):
I just gotta be honest. If you're eating like this
at a seven eleven, you're probably very sad inside.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Oh yeah, yeah, I mean I have I have non
alcoholic fatty lif for disease. Happiness doesn't take you there, Luke.
All right, Hey, we did find Long Island Luke's last
meal request. It's called the pizza bong. Would you eat Luke?
Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:59:33):
What the fuck are these idiots fucking making?

Speaker 1 (01:59:36):
Well, it's it's a pizza bong. That's what they're making, Luke.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
Yes is the answer?

Speaker 1 (01:59:43):
Grated cheese there and you and it works too, it's functionable.

Speaker 2 (01:59:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:59:49):
And then you got a nice snack for the ride home, Luke,
preferably if you're not driving, right, let's watch that.

Speaker 2 (01:59:55):
I mean, you know this ape is going to be driving.

Speaker 1 (02:00:00):
Well, you just take a big bite of that there,
Ron Mexico.

Speaker 2 (02:00:02):
There, guys like cake lady just eating. Remember remember pizza
the hut from space Balls?

Speaker 1 (02:00:07):
You know, yes, that's what long I'll look you into that.

Speaker 4 (02:00:09):
You're gonna make a wonder what i'd hit it?

Speaker 1 (02:00:11):
Okay, all right? Also, Luke, what do you think about
the great debate of pineapple pizza? To me, it's it's
pineapple and meatball is the best two topics you can
combine on pizza. But I'm weird. It's fine, Okay, let's
see if you let let this version of it slide.

Speaker 2 (02:00:26):
Why do people get so unhappy with pineapple on their pizza?

Speaker 4 (02:00:39):
In my opinion, pineapple just tastes so much better.

Speaker 2 (02:00:49):
Where where is a home invader when you need one?

Speaker 1 (02:00:54):
Ask Anthony Smith that question, Luke. All right, Hey, never
take a charge against another player who can dunk. You
got to learn that early in your basketball career, because
this happens.

Speaker 2 (02:01:06):
I mean, you don't actually have to open your mouth.

Speaker 1 (02:01:10):
Our final warning to you to close this week's feces
is also never take a carriage horse ride in New
York City during the holidays. You want to know why, Luke,
this is why?

Speaker 2 (02:01:29):
Okay, you do realize that's ai Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:01:31):
Yeah, yeah, I just thought it. I just thought it
fit the theme of this program perfectly. Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:01:35):
I mean I would like to defrecate on those women
as well in that particular way.

Speaker 1 (02:01:39):
But well, our last episode of Morning Combat has been
brought to you by Yeah. There you go. That's the
show of the week. In a reminder, although you won't
see us this Friday, no show this Friday, you can't
reach out to the show at Morning Coombat at gmail
dot com with your dead wrongs, your fan subs. Let's
help make fan subs great again together. Okay, no kings

(02:02:01):
needed for this one, Uh, Luke, We will be back Wednesday.
What can fans expect at eleven am Eastern after they
follow us they.

Speaker 2 (02:02:08):
Like and well, fans of nine to eleven Kenni's fans
of nine to eleven, I still can't get over that one.
If you're a fan of nine to eleven, We're really sorry. Uh, okay, yeah,
you can expect this. Well, then we'll talk about three
twenty one. It'll be a ton of fun.

Speaker 1 (02:02:30):
Join them, all right, Chuck Bannon, Hollill, join us. We'll
be brought to you by Quervo. It will be a
fun time had by all this Wednesday, eleven am Eastern,
Live on YouTube from the Metal Arcs studios where Pablo
Tore keeps finding shit out. You think he'll find out
that I have. I have let a few go in
that chair. Note.

Speaker 2 (02:02:53):
I hope you doesn't because I'm gonna keep doing it.

Speaker 1 (02:02:55):
Hey, great show this today, Along Island. Look, you have
anything to tell the people about your channel, your fantastic
prop quiz series.

Speaker 5 (02:03:01):
Yeah, I'll have a new episode Friday. Bet breakdown out tomorrow.
Watch Along Saturday. You guys know the Drill Band.

Speaker 1 (02:03:07):
Now, let's go who's fighting this week in the trivia contest?

Speaker 4 (02:03:12):
I'd like to save that for Friday.

Speaker 1 (02:03:14):
You know, no spoilers, Okay, all right, all right, well
it won't be Luke Thomas after Danny segurha. Yeah, spoiler
alert there. All right, lt can you close the show
with an uplifting inspirational message for the people that have
stayed on for two hours and five minutes to hear it.

Speaker 2 (02:03:32):
We love you, Thank you for watching. We'll be back
Wednesday live at eleven am. That's BC imlt I gotta
go find a Joseph a bank. Until next time, may
all of your gains be loyal

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