080 – How Social Media Transformed Mountain Biking Communities: Dave Slagle's Our MTB Rides Story - Mountain Cog

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Dane (00:09):
I don't know about this coffee.
You don't like it.
So you know, with the sugar andthe cream.

Josh (00:16):
Yeah, oh, it probably wouldn't be good with sugar and
cream.
I don't think it stands on itsown.

Dane (00:20):
It's hard to evaluate because every coffee that I have
has a certain amount of creamerthat I put in every morning and
, like I said, coffee is mycreamer delivery system, and
this one trying it andeverything.
I don't know if I'm smartenough or refined enough to
taste the difference.
It tastes different than theKirkland stuff that I do at home

(00:42):
.

Josh (00:43):
So why the hell are we talking about coffee?
This is in the history of theMountain C.
We talking about coffee.
This is.
This is in the history of themountain cog podcast is this the
first time?
This is the earliest podcastwe've ever done and I was like,
hey, guys, I'm gonna make somebreakfast tacos, yeah.
And then I heard we were gonnahave beer.

Dane (00:58):
But then we, we back yeah, dave slack, I think he threw
out breakfast beers and thenjust, I'm not against it.

Josh (01:05):
I don't want this to get out.
Hopefully no one hears that.
No one hears this podcast.
You're good, nobody's listening.

Dave Slagle (01:12):
Or that it's this early.

Josh (01:13):
Everybody knows I'm not here this early, yeah right, and
the only reason we're here thisearly is because we have a ride
planned.
Yeah, we're going to go ride.

Dane (01:20):
Yeah, and this made more sense.

Josh (01:22):
All right.
So, uh, I got a question foryou guys, okay.

Dane (01:32):
Why did the cyclist go to therapy?
Hmm, why did the cyclist go totherapy?
Why am I so bad?

Josh (01:35):
at these jokes.
I mean, you've seen theseshirts cause, like, lots of
people have them, but lots ofcyclists have these shirts to to
see a psychologist, because hewas dealing with psychology,
psychology, it's yeah, it's,it's, it's a psychological oh
issues.
Okay, simple but simple, butdecent yeah, I'm okay with that

(01:58):
one.

Dane (01:58):
I like that one.
I went to that um psychologicalcafe up in uh pine top on the
way to sunrise so in northernarizona.
There's a little cafe and I hadas we're driving by.
There's a bike out in front onthe curb.
You're like oh, I gotta stop andit's I think it said cafe or
something, and I'm like, oh, Igotta go there.
And it was a cool little place.
They had just moved from onelocation to the other but, um,

(02:22):
they had already put some of thebike frames up on the wall and
the theme was there.
They had shirts and and was it?

Josh (02:28):
did they just sell coffee or do they like sell bike parts?
And no, no, no yeah.

Dane (02:32):
So like that would be even cooler if it was like kind of a
coffee shop and a bike shop.
But it wasn't, it was just cafe.
But you could tell whoeverowned it was really into bikes
so we have one of those intucson.

Josh (02:41):
We have a cafe bike shop in Tucson when, oh, hello, hello
, yeah, that's.

Dane (02:46):
Sam.
Yeah, at Hello Bicycle, he'sgot his little bike shop off to
the side of the cafe.

Yeah, it was there a while ago.
Where's?

Dane (02:53):
that at Over off of Dodge.

Right, right off of Dodge yeah.

Dane (02:58):
Is it Flowingwell or is it Fort Lowell?
Or is it Prince or is it prince?
No, it's.
It's off the dodge.
Um, just towards between riverand fort lowell.
Yeah, just north of the hopshop.
Yeah, I gotta tell you, you know, if you come to tucson, uh-huh,
and you ride a bike, you'vereally got to go to the hop shop
.
Shop is a great place.
I think it's such a cool place.

(03:18):
I I took my mom there, who'sdoesn't do you know, doesn't,
doesn't ride a bike or anything,and she's not really into beer,
but it's the hop shop.
I've never been there.
Is it, is it, is it.
Oh that is, that is happening.

Josh (03:31):
Okay, yeah, no, I'm in, I'm totally.

Dane (03:33):
So so one of the cool things to do in here is you hit
the hop shop, uh, you park, youcan wait for your buddies and
you can have a beer and then yougo do the urban assault and
then you come back and there'sthis place called uh chow pizza,
which is amazing chow down,sorry, chow down yeah it's like
a pizza.
It's like a truck, like a wellit's, they have a truck but they
have a little um space.

(03:53):
So the hop shop's in this kindof cool building.
That's kind of a lot of metalwork and it's like metal art
metal arts village, yeah, okay,and uh, they've got a back patio
.
They do bands, it's.
We definitely have to do a tripthere, but if you're, if you're
visiting tucson and you likecycling, that is a great place
to go.
There's always cyclists there,yeah, you know so we should have
those guys on uh, you know weneed to tag them in this and

(04:15):
just say hey, yeah, you know,we'll go talk to them.
One, we appreciate them because, uh, I know the guru bikes crew
is there all the time.

Yeah, we do rides based out of our Tuesday night
or Tuesday night rides based,based out of at least at least
no, it's not based out of it.
It leaves from there.

Dane (04:30):
Yeah, it's a meeting point , you know, and then you can
just jump on your bike, go onyour ride and come back and it's
got everything you want in thebeginning and everything you
want If you want to get somelike that and so, uh, it's
really cool, the parking lot'salways full it's always full.

It used to be super tiny and it was packed then,
and then they tripled theparking lot and it's still.

Dane (04:49):
You still can't find.
It's just I.
You know they're.
It's just a cool place like thevibe is awesome yeah so that's
cool.

Josh (04:57):
Well, we'll go to psychologic up in uh, pine top,
yeah, yeah, this week.

Dane (05:00):
Yeah, we're up there see if they put any more stuff up,
because when they they moved,everything was kind of fresh,
yeah, so it looked like theywere still getting stuff.
The only thing, if they'relistening to this, that they
need to do is they need to puttheir coffee grinder in the back
in a different room.
It's too loud, oh my God.

Like when they're grinding coffee.

Dane (05:16):
Like you can't hear anything industrial coffee
grinder.
It's new bike or, sorry, new umshop, kind of figuring stuff
out.
But yeah, we were there.
Well, there's this guy grindingaway and, like the, they're
shouting at each other like whatdid you?

Josh (05:31):
watch.
Yeah, it's like they're justdoing like 30 pounds of coffee
at a time.
Right, it's crazy.
All right, so it's it's sundaymorning.
Uh, I guess this is church forus or maybe church, dirt church,
when we go up and uh, we've gota great guest that I've come to
to know over the last few weeks, actually with SDMB and some,

(05:52):
some rides a couple of ridesI've been on with you now.

Dane (05:55):
Right, it's crazy that you one live on this side of town,
to have been riding as long asyou have, and this is the first
time you've met.

Josh (06:03):
You didn't have a mountain bike podcast?
Yeah, but riding as long as youhave.
And this is the first timeyou've met didn't have a
mountain bike podcast, and thefirst time, yeah yeah, but but
it's weird because this, thiscity's so little and the
community's so tight.

You know, it's just kind of weird, like, uh, I feel
like I run into everybody yeah,so I'm sure we've been at the
same place when I startedlistening to the podcast, I was
like man I you know you couldfigure, you know you live on
this side of town and all thestuff you guys talk about.
It's like I don't know this guy.

Josh (06:28):
I figure out who it is and it's like I meet you, I'm like
no, no, never met him before.
That's good man, that's good,um, but do you want to?
We haven't even said who youare yet.
Do you want to introduceyourself?
Oh?

yeah, um, I'm dave slagle um, I run the rTB Rides
Facebook group and do otherrandom mountain bike stuff, I
guess.

Josh (06:52):
So our right Like our O-U-R.

Dane (06:56):
Yeah, they just had their 10-year anniversary.

Yeah, actually last year.
Yeah, if anybody needs a jerseystill got them, I still got
some.

Josh (07:05):
So avid mountain biker, yeah, you run now our mtb rides.
So so like how, how often doyou guys ride?

so for the most part, most sundays, most sunday
mornings, we do a ride, and thentuesday night we do a ride so
is that what we're doing today?

Josh (07:20):
is it an hour mtb?
Ride okay yeah, I probablyshould have checked the facebook
page on that that's, that'sokay.

Dane (07:26):
I you know, I just show up .
Sometimes people are there andsometimes they're not yeah, it's
just another, another rideoption.
So yeah, yeah, it's great likethat social media for me.
I've had a couple customerscome in and they're new.
And I'm like they're, they wantto know where the rides are.
And I'm like are you on socialmedia?
And they say no.
And I get it right there's alot of negativity with social

(07:46):
media.

Josh (07:47):
Facebook echo chamber, echo chamber stuff and.

Dane (07:49):
I you know, if I could teach a class on how to use
social media to your benefit andnot your detriment, it would be
like you just click on kittyvideos and mountain biking and
that's it, and you just findyour local groups and you and
you um join their groups and youcan now find rides, and it's

(08:11):
such a great tool to find ridesthat's the main benefit for me.

I mean, yeah as much.
I mean I run a facebook group.
Yeah, but I'm not on facebook.
I mean I'm.
If you look at my main profile,I hardly do anything.
I'll check in for when I'm at acool beer place and a cool
place to eat.
That's about it.

Dane (08:30):
Yeah, and that's probably the smartest way to use social
media is to use it to yourbenefit and just watch out for
those pitfalls that areautomatically going to pop up
and you have to navigate them.
I feel like they should haveclasses.
I mean, no joke.
I think my, my daughter, whenshe enters high school, should
have a social mediaresponsibility class.
I don't think that's a bad idea.

Josh (08:51):
Yeah, so.
So I, we, I think, would beremiss if we didn't say, in
addition to kitty videos, theyshould also like follow guru
bikes.
Oh well, so yeah.
And mountain cog podcast?
Absolutely, for sure, those arelike.

Instagram.
Instagram's the same thingInstagram Yep.

Dane (09:05):
Whatever you click on, you're going to see a bunch of
it, and whatever you rack, reactto, you're going to see a bunch
of it, and so if you make themistake of showing anger because
you saw something that upset,you just know that you just made
it come up more.
And so you just need to ignoreit, just like life, and so you
just need to ignore it Just likelife.
I think it's a good life lessonIf something's really
frustrating, just ignore it,unless it's a house fire or

(09:28):
something like that.
But yeah, it's a good tool andI've actually talked to a couple
people.
We talk about bringing peoplein to cycling and one of the
ways that you do that is getthem involved in these groups,
like our mountain bike rides andjust in general.
They get a communityautomatically.
They go to a trail, theyautomatically have tour guides

(09:48):
and trail leaders and peoplethat can give them pointers, and
there's so much good about itand I I know there's a lot of
people out there that just rideby themselves, cause they're
maybe self-conscious, becausethey don't want to be, and
there's so many of these groupsare so welcoming and and it's.
It's just a great way to getinto cycling and just feed that
need to get better and wayfaster.

Josh (10:10):
So wherever you're at in the world, go into your local
bike shop.
Ask them who's who'scoordinating.
You know group rides, yeah, andif there's nobody, then start
one.

Dane (10:18):
Yeah, seriously, dave did Seriously.

Josh (10:22):
Yeah, okay, so before we get too deep into our mtb rides.
I want to, I want to, I want tolearn a little bit more about
you, since I'm just getting toknow you anyway.
So this is like superconvenient, we can do it, and
then the whole world can get toknow you as well, or, uh, at
least the, whatever, the 12, the12 people.
We say 12.
You probably shouldn't say thatbecause for the, for all of you
, there's more than 12 there's alot more than 12.

Dane (10:42):
It's funny.
I'm listening to a lot ofpodcasts and you realize that
one.
There's a lot of transientlisteners that come across it
and they listen once or twice,and then you have like diehards,
and then I don't think we getmetrics.
If you, unless you do certainthings you know, like I guess if
maybe somebody listens we get ametric, but if you subscribe
it's not subscribed.

(11:02):
What do you have to do?
I go to show.
My experience is I go to showand I follow show.

Josh (11:08):
So those would be subscribers, and so we can see
that.
And then we can see downloads,we can see listens and we can
see plays, and all those thingsmean different things.

Dane (11:16):
Okay, so if I listen, we may see that metric, but if I
download it it's different.

Josh (11:20):
We'll see that metric as well.
Okay, it it's different.
We'll see that metric as well.
Okay, and typically, like ourlike downloads is the one that
we see the most easy, okay, sofor us, I don't know if it's
like this for all podcasts, butfor us the downloads is about 20
, okay, and then the listens islike five times that yeah yeah,
right, so um, about 20 of thelisteners are downloading it, so
you can multiply the downloadsby five.

(11:42):
yeah, that'll kind of give you afeel for, like how many people
heard that episode.

Dane (11:45):
Okay, At least for our metrics, and, honestly, a lot of
people are listening to this.
I don't know why?

Josh (11:53):
No, it is.
It is a little interesting.
Like just in the last likemonth I've been in random places
and people have come up to meand been like you're the guy at
the podcast.

Dane (12:05):
I'm like, yeah, you get this little tiny mic micro fame.
It feels good, it does, untilthey start throwing rocks at you
.

Josh (12:09):
You'll have to tell us how many people ask for your
autograph after this goes liveDave but let's get to know Dave
a little bit.
So all right, so I'm going togo like through the 20 questions
, or we'll go through the 20questions Like where are you
from originally?

Tucson.
Born and raised in Tucson.
My parents were both born andraised in Tucson, that's you
were rare, like double rare yeah.

Dane (12:29):
Wow, that's how my wife is Really yeah.

Josh (12:32):
Okay so.

Dane (12:33):
I think my, actually my father-in-law was born in
Phoenix.

Josh (12:37):
Okay.

Dane (12:37):
Yeah.

Josh (12:38):
I mean, it's amazing.
It is rare, I'm from Detroitand came here with the military,
I got stationed at DavisMothman and then I keep trying
to leave.
I've left like four times andthe desert just sucks me back in
like in a good way, right.
Eight months of awesome Fourmonths of awful.

Dane (12:52):
Yeah Right, it's definitely yeah, my whole
family's Wisconsin and so.
But I came out as a little kidI didn't have a choice, but I
don.
I'll leave Every time I travelsomewhere.
I think this would be awesome,and then it's full of mosquitoes
or something you know likethere's something hurricanes or
like yeah, something, somethingwhere I'm like you know what?
I'm going to go back to Tucson.

Josh (13:14):
And we're right in the middle of the horrible part
right now, where it's just superhot but it really is a dry heat
.
That's not bullshit, it's notthe same Like.
It's like 80 and I think isworse than 110 and dry for me
anyways, for sure, and we havesigned, and we've highlighted
this in episodes before, butwe're going to go up today.
That's, that's your, our and,by the way, thank you for
changing the ride time tofacilitate this.

Dane (13:31):
That's a big deal.

Josh (13:32):
Hopefully no one's throwing throwing tomatoes at me
up there, but um, but we'regoing up to this hidden gem that
is Mount lemon.
And it'll be what?
20 degrees, At least 30 degreescooler.

It's.
Usually, by the time you get tothe top, it's 20 to 25 degrees
cooler up there, yeah.
So if it's 110 down here, it'syou know.
80 to 90 up there, yeah, and itsounds hot, big pine trees In
the shade, it's perfect.

Dane (13:57):
They call it the Sky Islands.

Josh (13:58):
Yeah, it's the Sky Islands .
Yeah, arizona's like the SkyIslands with at least southern
Arizona kind of, because we havethese mountains that kind of
just come out of nowhere.

Dane (14:06):
And it's like a different ecosystem on top of it yeah,
yeah.
So it's pretty cool.

Josh (14:10):
So we'll be up there riding in the pine trees today,
which I haven't done in a longtime, so I'm super excited and
I've never ridden the trailswe're going to ride today.
That'll be great.

Okay, so you grew up in east side, tucson, east
side.
Yeah, yeah, I've been.

Josh (14:27):
Yeah, I haven't been further than wilmot actually.
So we've had a couple guys onwilmot and harrison.
They're east side guys butthey're mostly bmx guys like
ryan beamish do you know, right,you know beamish and um, oh my
gosh, I'm so bad at this I'mgonna forget all the guys that
we've had on.
They're all kind of associatedwith oh, this is park shoot.

Dane (14:42):
Yeah, the other bmx race awesome.
I used to work with him.
Miracle Chris, chris.

Josh (14:47):
Miracle, and then Andy runs Tucson BMX, which is right
there by Fantasy Island.
You know there's a BMX trackright there by Fantasy Island.
We haven't had the BMX guys onin a long time.
Yeah, you have to do that.
So you grew up on the east side, so how'd you get into mountain
biking originally?
Um when when did you get into?
I know you're like 20 yearsyounger than than than than Dane

(15:07):
, for sure.

Dane (15:09):
Cause that makes him like 12.
That makes him like well, itmakes him like 40.

I wish I was that young.
Um, it was man, it was.
I had a Schwinn.
First mountain bike was theSchwinn High Sierra.

Josh (15:31):
Okay.
So when that came out, that'slike a well-known mountain bike
too, yeah.

I mean we went.
I remember I had like a beachcruiser.
I had a paper route back in theday, yeah, and talked to my dad
and I needed a new bike.
My buddy had a beach cruiser.
I was like man, I found thisbeach cruiser at the Costco or
wherever it was and I was likeman, I got to have one of those.
It was 80 bucks.
I got to go get one.
There's price club back there.

Dane (15:56):
Price club.

Josh (15:57):
Yeah, I was going to say Costco is not.

Dane (15:59):
Yeah, yeah.

Price club yeah, and had my own money.
Dad's like no, that's a crapbike, don't buy it.
Yeah.
Oh wow, no, no, no.
This is cool.
I love this thing.
It'd be perfect.
Yeah, don't buy it.
It's my money, I do what I want, so you bought it.
I bought it First lesson.
Listen to dad.
It lasted maybe six months,yeah, and then he's like uh, of

(16:23):
course between that and thepaper route.

Josh (16:25):
Yeah, it tore it up pretty quick.
You put some miles on it.

So you know, six months later dad's like all
right, well, let's go get a realbike and it was actually, dane
was probably even there.
Full cycle, yeah, went there.

Josh (16:39):
Okay, I remember full cycle, then it turned into
performance, right?
First Supergo and thenPerformance Supergo and then
Supergo, supergo.
That's right.
Full cycle, supergo, full cyclewas awesome Boutique.
Uh-huh.

Dane (16:49):
It went to Supergo and it was kind of like big box but
nice.

Yeah.

Dane (16:54):
You know, like XTR, like nice stuff, and then when it
went to performance it just wentin the shitter.

Josh (17:05):
It's just a different model, dean.
Yeah, I know, trust me, Iworked there.
It went in the shitter Allright.

Dane (17:08):
Yeah, no offense to Performance Bike.
Yeah, total offense.
They went out of business.
They're still in business, bro.
They sold and somebody boughttheir name to try and.

Josh (17:16):
Oh, really yeah, yeah.

Dane (17:17):
Okay, in fact, they were so bad that I think the company
that owns Fuji because Fuji wasa big player in that yeah, if I
remember correctly, the companythat bought fuji, or owned fuji,
bought performance, trying tosalvage it because it was like
one of their number onecustomers to buy for
distribution yeah, but it didn't.

(17:37):
It didn't last, huh okay andyeah, somebody bought
performance, uh, at some auction.
Yeah, it was auctioned offInteresting.
Yeah, they're trying to keepthe mail order side of it going
and I think Nash Bar too.

Josh (17:51):
So that was the same company.
We don't really do mail orderanymore, but online.

Dane (17:54):
Yeah.

Josh (17:55):
Yeah.

Sorry.
I remember mail order gettingall those catalogs in.
I think we should bring it back.
Let's bring it back.
Let's bring back mail order.

Dane (18:02):
Man those well we talk about Email order.
We talk about Supergo, right?
I used to open up their littlemail order flyer and like,
because Supergo started inCalifornia, it was a small shop
Goldsmith Goldstein, somethinglike that, is the guy who
started it.
He was really cool and he had abunch of shops and then he did
some really cool things and hewould buy closeout bikes from

(18:24):
these companies when they neededto get rid of them.
It's kind of like instead ofsticking the whole bike out, he
would part them out, he wouldpackage each part and then sell
all the parts.
And it was brilliant, you know,and it worked really well at
that time because it was mailorder and it was harder to uh,
harder to do bikes through themail yeah, in fact you weren't

(18:45):
allowed to from a lot ofmanufacturers, and so it's kind
of crazy.
But I used to browse that supergo catalog and there there was
a couple of catalogs where theywould list the weight of the
item, so you could go intobottom brackets and look at a
Samson tie bottom bracket and itwould have the weight and my
friends and I would sit there onpaper and build bikes and
figure out Spreadsheets likethat.

Josh (19:06):
you know, yeah, Well.

Dane (19:08):
I hate to say this, but it was before spreadsheets, Like
it was on paper.

Josh (19:13):
You're like don't talk about how old I am, and you're
like talking about mail orderand before spreadsheets.

Dane (19:20):
Well, I mean it's true though.

We would do this on paper.

Dane (19:23):
No, they didn't.

No, they didn't, Dave don't even joke about that,
I know.

Dane (19:26):
I was in school when there were no computers.
Maybe they had those ones inschool with the.
You know, that's not true,because this was after I was out
of school but nobody had themyet.
You know, because in school wehad those little weird.

Josh (19:38):
Macintosh.
Maybe it was a Tucson thing,because, like I'm not that much
younger than you you're notyounger than me, no, no, you're
like 75 years older than me.
We had computers when I was inschool.
I don't know man no, we had.

Dane (19:52):
I graduated in 94.

Josh (19:54):
What year did you graduate ?

Dane (19:55):
I can't tell you that see you 94, 94 that's when I
graduated.
98.
You're full of shit.
98's my first downhill that Iwon Do you like our rabbit holes
?
We asked you how you were yourfirst bike and we spent 10
minutes talking about mail ordershit.
I have a serious questionwhat's your favorite color?

Josh (20:18):
Favorite color oh yeah, I got a follow on question.

I got a blue truck right now and I really like that
Is that shirt salmon or pink.

Josh (20:25):
It's like a salmon.
I got a follow-on question.
I got a blue truck right nowand I really like that.
So blue.

And what color is that shirt?
Salmon or?

Dane (20:28):
pink.

Josh (20:28):
It's like a salmon, salmon and I can't find mine of that.

Yeah.

Dane (20:31):
I have no idea where it's at.
I think I wore it once and it'sprobably under my bed or some
weird place.

Josh (20:38):
You're rocking the nipple manager shirt today.
I do like that one.

Dane (20:45):
I have yet to wear that.
Yeah, it fits me good too.
I'm just embarrassed about it.
It's awesome.
So I I literally will watchpeople as they walk by me and
see if they say something,because a cyclist is going to
understand so what josh istalking about.
I had shirts made because wedid an episode where we said, uh
, that I was a nipple manageryeah, right yeah and uh we were
talking about.
This is spoke nipples, yeah andso I took a picture of a spoke

(21:06):
nipple and it's in the center ofthe shirt and then it says
nipple over the top and manageron the bat on the under the
bottom.
And so if you're a cyclist, youknow exactly what I'm talking
about.
Like, if you know bikes, thenyou'll know what a nipple is.
It's part of it.

Josh (21:21):
And then on the back there's a giant mountain.
This is like the first majorbrandon, big branded thing we've
done is the nipple manager sowhen I go to a bike park or
something with it on, everybodyloves it.

Dane (21:32):
Yeah, but then my wife is embarrassed with me, yeah if
you're walking through the park,place small or something yeah,
the kids probably love it righton the kids love.
I went to the bike park uh orthe uh, the pump track and the
kids were just cracking up Likethey all just had the best you
know cause it's a bunch of 12and 15 year olds.

I thought you were talking about the mountain
bikers.
No, no, the mountain bikersthey're cracking up too.

Dane (21:54):
They just don't do it openly and like slap their knee
as they walk by you Mentally,the mountain bikers are 12 to 15
.
Yeah, all right.

Let's let's, can we bring it back to the schwin
high sierra?
All right, so you went to fullcycle, or actually we've
determined, oh, we've determinedit was full cycle.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, andthat was the first bike.
Had that for a while and justriding it around, I remember
back then me and dad each boughtthe same exact bike um, that's
cool.

Josh (22:24):
So you really started riding with your dad yeah, he
didn't ride as much that.

Uh, you know I did when I was a kid.
That's that was.
You know, that's your freedom,you go everywhere with that yeah
that's what we did, um, butkind of got put away and stopped
riding for a long time.
High school came, did you get acar?

Josh (22:44):
get all busy, got a car, yeah of course, you get a car as
the girls.
Yeah, cars and girls yeah yeah,bike's not interested anymore.

Yep, good job, then you can actually afford the
bike after you get a job.
So started getting a little bitbetter and in my job is pretty
physical.
Try to keep in shape.
The better, better shape I am,the you know, the more money I
could make technically.

Dane (23:06):
Yep.

But getting back into it I was like, man, I need
to exercise, I need to dosomething.
And I'm not the guy that goesto the gym or goes running or
anything like that.
I'm like, I like riding bikes.
Maybe I'll ride my bike again.
Yeah, started riding the bikesagain.
Got another bike.

Josh (23:23):
What was the second one?

in got another bike .
What was the second one?
Second one was a specializedrock hopper so you've been.
You've been repping specializedfor a long time yeah, back in
the day, you know this seanpalmer.
You'd see him videos and Idon't know what it was.
You know richie, and and allthe specialized stuff, stump
jumper, you know.
You know that was the bike tohave.

Josh (23:46):
That was the bike to have, yeah.

I guess I never grew out of that, you know.

Josh (23:51):
No, you still rock it.

Finally had the money to buy myself a stump
jumper.
Yeah, I was at, actually SabinoCycles, Went up there and get
my bike.
I was getting.
I think I was taking the gripshift off of the bike and
putting the the shifters onbecause I didn't like the grip
shift and sitting there on thefloor was a stump jumper that

(24:12):
was on sale for a huge discount.
You know, knowing what I knownow it was end of the year was
probably a year, two years oldman, I could afford that one.
Still new.

Josh (24:22):
Yeah, it was brand new.

Finally get my stump jumper.
Bought it, take it home, rodeit, loved it.
Realized later it was probablylike an extra small.
Definitely not an extra smallrider, no.

Josh (24:39):
You probably ride a large frame now.

So I think you guys were on the ride we did with
Dane yeah, I don't remember ifwe were there or not the retro
ride we did.

Josh (24:48):
Oh yeah, oh, from the hop shot.
No, he wasn't there.
Yeah, I couldn't make that one.

Yeah, well, I had it there.

Josh (24:52):
Yeah, oh, you still have it.
Yeah, I still have it, wow.

I can't get it's just specializes.

Josh (25:02):
So is it like?
Is it like three by seven orthree by eight?

Um, it is three, three by three, by nine, I
believe.

Josh (25:11):
Three by nine.
So then and, and you know, rimbrakes, rim brakes uh, yeah, rim
brakes.

Yeah, definitely rim brakes.

Josh (25:18):
And, uh, it does crappy suspension.

It does have a last-a-meter suspension on it
now, oh my gosh.
That was put on when I boughtit.
Oh, it didn't have suspension,okay.

Josh (25:29):
Is it a hardtail, hardtail , yeah, hardtail okay.
Dane, what was your first realmountain bike?
And you can only give oneanswer, because I know you're
going to go into like 27different stories.

Dane (25:38):
I can't even remember all the bikes.

Josh (25:40):
What was your first?

Dane (25:47):
Mine was a giant iguana.
Anyone recognizes a giantiguana?
I would say my first one.
I've told people this storybecause it's kind of weird.
Uh it, my mom went and bought amicrowave and I got a free
mountain bike with it right onand it was called a forensic and
uh and fire enz and um it, uh.
It was not a bad bike like itwas a crap bike that you got

(26:09):
free with a microwave.
Yeah and um, I love that thingbecause I had bmx all before
that yeah and that thing hadgears and I could for the first
time to actually do a wheelie.
I could never do a wheelie onmy bmx bikes, but I could put
that in that low gear, sit onthe saddle and just pull back
and wheelie.
That sucker like crazy, butyeah.
And then there was a bum fightin front of a store and they

(26:33):
picked my bike up and threw itat each other.

Josh (26:38):
I'm not even kidding.
There was two unshelteredpeople that were fighting out in
front of your store.

Dane (26:44):
They may have had houses, but they were like why knows?
So back then you called themwhy knows, right Cause they
would just sit out and drink andget drunk and just not do
anything.
Okay, and they got mad at eachother and I'm in the store I
think it was yellow front, ifanyone knows what that is.

Josh (26:58):
I don't even know what that is.

Dane (27:00):
I don't else knows what it is, but it literally they would
put, the front would be yellowand it was like a think, like a,
like a dollar store.
Okay, it's kind of like thatkind of store I would go in
there and get candy and I leavemy bike outside unlocked.
By the way, yeah uh, becausenobody would steal bikes.
You know, in the 20s um and didyou get that one, yes, in the

(27:23):
20s, but anyway, these two bumsstarted fighting and one picked
my bike up and threw it at theother one.
He dodged it, it landed andbroke, broke the bike, and so I
think that was the end of thatbike, so bike killed by a bum
fight oh man I walked homepretty much crying my eyes out
like I was pretty upset, I waspretty pretty little too I think
we should ask our listenerslike what's the worst way?

Josh (27:43):
you've destroyed a bike.

Dane (27:45):
Yeah, like what's the worst thing that's happened to
your bike?

Josh (27:47):
Yeah, I think it'd be like a bump fight.
It's probably gotta be up therein the top ten.
Bump fight is most unique, youknow.

Dane (27:52):
I pity the people that drive into their carports, you
know, or?
I mean I always tell people ifyou hurt your bike, like put a
Sharpie on date where ithappened and cover that up, man,
memorialize that like yeah,cherish it, remember it, yeah so
all right.

Josh (28:07):
So, uh, you got this specialized stump jumper now,
yeah, and so what was uh likewhen I first started riding here
, it was kind of like fantasyhad been pretty much like just
kind of starting out to bedeveloped.
We rode elephant head, we rodechiva falls, all the time,
obviously, mount lemon.
Where else is there anywhereelse, I guess you know?

we used to ride the shoots.

Josh (28:25):
I don't Elephant Head.
We rode Chiva Falls all thetime.
Obviously, mount Lemon, whereelse Is there anywhere else?
I guess, we used to ride theChutes Chutes.

Dane (28:29):
Yeah, I was going to say what'd you ride on Mount Lemon?
I don't ever remember ridingMount Lemon when we were riding
Elephant Head and we rode PepperSauce on the backside.
That was a trail, but I don'tremember any trails that we
would ride on Mount Lemon.

No trails that we would ride on mount lemon.

Dane (28:48):
No joke, like at that time period, yeah when I, when I
started, it was fantasy I meaneast side I lived right down the
street for fantasy.

Yeah, yeah, um, that's all I wrote that.
That was it.
I wrote fantasy right and acouple guys at work were riding.
Hang out with them a little bit.
Uh, they took me to a place.
Where do we go?
I remember riding.
I remember riding on this trailout in the middle of nowhere.
All of a sudden you see acastle.
And then you see some railroadtracks.
I'm like Holy cow, we're farout of here.

(29:14):
And then later on I realized wewere riding on the Arizona
trail back.

Josh (29:17):
Oh wow, yeah, we probably should.
Should clarify there actuallyis a castle on a mountain.

Dane (29:27):
Yes, actually is a castle on a mountain.
Yes, just east of tucson.
Yeah, yeah, I just got my puppyat the base of that castle.
Yeah, remember that's.

Josh (29:30):
Oh, yeah, that's the podcast that we were gonna ride
and we didn't ride that night.

Dane (29:32):
Yeah, because I had to drive to new mexico.

Josh (29:34):
Yeah, dean's like I'll be there at this time.
I'm like I reworked my wholeschedule.
I've told the story before.
I've already whined about this,I don't have to whine about it
again, but but yeah, it's.

Dane (29:43):
It's crazy how many trails have popped up yeah in in that
amount of time.

You think that's a long time, right, but in realism
it's it's a long a lot oftrails, yeah, so so you've been
riding for a long time yeah, itis on and off for a while, like
in high school it was.
You know, it's well today's toohot, so I'm not riding today.
Uh, maybe I'll ride latertomorrow.
Maybe tomorrow I'll ride it.

(30:07):
Just, it would weeks go by andI'd like, oh man, I really need
to ride my bike.
Yeah, I'd go ride.
Never in good shape, never thatgood of a rider.

Josh (30:18):
We used to take smoke breaks in the middle of our ride
.

Yeah, I never did, never did.

Dane (30:24):
So sixties of you?
Yeah, we totally took smoke.

Josh (30:31):
I remember being in England at like the Red Bull
course in Wales and like we gotto the top and I'm like puking
and smoking a cigarette beforewalking by.
Maybe you haven't figured this.
Actually, it's not that foreignin England.

Dane (30:39):
Actually a lot of people there take smoke breaks on their
bike rides yeah.

Josh (30:43):
Definitely not the smartest thing, but uh, keep
going, I cut you off yeah.

So then you know.
Just, I'm always figuring outwhere to ride.
That was.
My big thing is is I didn'tknow where to ride.
I knew fantasy, that was youknow ride fantasy.
The bunny loop was literally anout and back.
That was before all that.
It was literally the cactusloop.
Uh, I remember riding one dayduring the week and all of a

(31:07):
sudden, in the middle of thetrail, I see this guy walking
out with a shovel.
He's oh hey, man, I justfinished this trail over here.
You should check it out.
I'm like the monk and and he'slike yeah, I just named it after
my dog and that's all Iremember.
I'm like oh sweet.
Yeah, it was both both loopyeah who was it?

Dane (31:24):
chuck, or or yeah, yeah, I imagine.
So I think it was chuck.

Yeah, yeah, I think so, yeah, and, and I never
really knew him personally, butyeah, um, I'm pretty sure that's
who it was and I ride it.
It was cool riding the newtrail.
You know, I felt like I was thefirst one.
Obviously I wasn't knowing now,but yeah you know, just
finished it.
That was cool.
I remember riding that andfantasy was always, you know, a

(31:49):
10 minute bike ride from myhouse.
So yeah, ride to fantasy, do aloop there, ride back home.
What else do we ride?

Dane (31:57):
I didn't ride that much do you ever do star pass?

no, you know, I never did star pass until I got
into it a lot more.

Dane (32:03):
Yeah I, I rode out there, my neighbor took me out there
for the first time and we noneof the trailheads were there,
none of the trails were there.
There was just an old um wagonroute.
Yeah, that went through and, uh, I don't even remember which
street we ended up at the end ofand then got onto it.
I don't think it was 36thstreet, I think it was.
You know where the wall is?

(32:24):
Yeah, so if you go out into theneighborhood from there, I'm
not sure which street that is,but houses weren't even out
there.
You know, like they've beenbuilt up since then and and he
even showed me in the rock wherethe tracks of the wagons would
go.
It was like carved out fromfrom going over these this one,

(32:47):
you know, kind of like slab andthey would just carve a little
trail and it was really cool.
So it's just amazing how much,uh, you know, mountain biking is
just popped up andrealistically in the timeline of
our, our universe and, uh,everywhere.
Like I'm sure this is the sameconversation that people have in
Maine and in Germany and, youknow, everywhere you know, and

(33:10):
it's still happening, which isawesome.

Josh (33:11):
I wonder if it's happening in Djibouti, djibouti is a
that's a country in EasternAfrica.
You were talking about my butt.
You're a tree.

Dane (33:18):
Yeah, cause you're like Joe booty, Joe booty, Joe booty
tracks for for our listeners.

Josh (33:24):
You know where we're deep in Tucson, lore right now and
since we're talking.
You know, historically, if yougo back to episode 54,.
Um, we do a tribute to CraigRandall who was like one of the
guy with Chuck and he's one ofthe kind of like fathers of of
fans and we had Mark Flint, johnshow, see, and Steve Roach, I

(33:50):
don't know.
Do you guys know Steve Roach?
I don't know.
Do you guys know steve roach?
I don't know steve.
So, man, I bet you, if I sawhis bike, so he comes here, and
he was like he comes here andand and I'd never met him before
, and they obviously these guyshad you guys, you know, you know
john, because he works over atben's bikes and mark flint's
kind of you know ubiquitous intucson.
But uh, but steve, I didn't knowand uh he was here, for he here
sitting in that chair rightthere doing the podcast.
And then later on someone tellsme, steve, or you had Steve
Roach at your house.
I'm like, yeah, who is this guy?
And he's like this Grammynominated ambient musician,

(34:12):
right and he'd like he tourslike all over the world doing
his ambient music for real, ohwow.
And and I got into his musicafterwards.
So now, like when I'm likeworking on something deep for
work, like I put Steve Roach on.
So, anyway, shout out to SteveRoach.

Dane (34:26):
We didn't even talk about it.
He didn't even mention hismusic.

Josh (34:28):
I mean, he looked around and he was like cause we've got
a bunch of instruments in hereand he's like oh, you're a
musician.
I was like yeah, we, I figuredwe'd have that conversation, but
we didn't.
Um, all right, so, um, let'ssee, let's fast forward a little
bit, right?
So been riding foreverSpecialized stump jumper.
Yeah.

Fan of them.
I was riding, met a couplepeople out on the trail.
Yeah, ended up showing mearound.
I was out at Sweetwater.

Josh (34:52):
Yeah.

It turns out to be a buddy now, but back then it
was just a guy we kept passing.

Josh (34:58):
Right.

Me and another friend were out riding oh hey,
how.
And me and another friend wereout riding and oh hey, how's it
going.
You see a mountain biker out onthe trail.
You talk to him for a second oh, and he's going this way, I'm
going that way and we pass eachother and next intersection you
come around again.
Oh hey, maybe I'm going thewrong way wait a minute, didn't
I just pass you?
it's like groundhog's day so weended up starting following.

(35:19):
He's like, yeah, follow me, Igot route and he showed me the
route and we followed him around, had a good time, met another
guy at Fantasy Outriding kind ofsame type of deal.
And he's like hey, you shouldjoin my Facebook group.
We're the mountain bike addicts.

Dane (35:34):
Oh yeah, Is that Bobby?

It was actually Scott.
Scott, not Card.
Oh, yeah, yeah, scott.
And.
I was like oh, yeah, that'd becool, you know, get some
different rides in and learnsome different things.

Dane (35:47):
Are they still active?
Oh yeah, yeah, they're active.

Yeah, yeah, right on, they're good guys.
After that I went on one oftheir rides.
They were meeting out at thisLoma Alta Street.
I'd never heard of beforestreet I never heard of before.
And yeah, you go out there andI end up looking it up, trying
to figure out where this ridewas starting at, and go down the
old spanish trail and turn thewrong way, of course, and look

(36:11):
across.
You know where my pin drop hadsent me.
It was out in the middle of thedesert area and right off a
street and it turns out that'swhere the veil trails are now.
Yeah, yep but before I didn'tthink the veilils were there
then or unknown of then FiguredI was at the wrong place.
I was at the other side, headup the street, met with those
guys, of course, running late,trying to keep up with them.

(36:34):
They were definitely betterthan me.
I was always the guy at theback.

Josh (36:38):
Oh wow, Hanging out, oh wow.

You haven't ridden with me yet, you won't be at.
The guy to the back Trying to,you know, whole ass to keep up
with them Felt like I wasslowing them down, and not a big
deal.
You know, anytime you're theslow guy, you always feel like
you're slowing everybody downEvery ride I go on, brother,
People don't realize that that'snot what the group ride's about
.
You figure that out later.

(37:05):
Ended up how the hell?
At work we have a health coach.
There's a company.
Our employer hires a company tokeep us all healthy.
That's cool.
She knew I was into riding bikes.
Someone up at one of our otherstores organized a lunchtime
walk.
Go on a walk.
You should do the same thingwith the bikes.

(37:26):
You could organize some bikesand I'm like no, I'm not too
busy, I'm here to work and Idon't want to do all that.
Yeah, it turned out to be.
People at work would justorganize rides and every Sunday
they would do something.
And hey, we're going to ridehere.
And hey, we're gonna ride here.
We're gonna ride here it wasall word of mouth stuff.
Yeah and uh, go on a ride andcome to work on monday and one

(37:50):
of my buddies is hey, did youguys ride yesterday?
Like oh crap, we did.

Josh (37:55):
I forgot to tell you yeah, yeah yeah, we were at this
place, you know if only therewas a place we could tell
everyone at one time.
Well, I could just tell oneperson anyway, everybody would
know about it, right?

so you know the next day that was in 2013,
actually, I looked it up yeah,wow uh, april, third april 2013,
I started this facebook group.
I could, I could just,everybody could just post their
rides, yeah, and you know, meetup time is there.
It's super easy.
Everybody would know about itnobody would have to ask you
want to go on a ride.
Here's where Everybody couldjust post their rides.
Yeah, and meet-up time is there.
It's super easy.
Everybody would know about it.
Nobody would have to ask youwant to go on a ride?

(38:26):
Here's where it is Perfect.
And that was the idea of theRMTB rides was.
You know, it's not my MTB rides.
I always tell everybody it'sour, it's our MTB rides.
So you know, dane comes, hewants to ride here, posts a ride
.
Everybody shows up, do a greatride.
Josh wants to do a ride, I wantto ride here.

(38:46):
Here's my trail.
Everybody was going to do that.
Well, I quickly found out thatpeople like me to do that.

Josh (38:54):
It's much easier to join the ride than it is to
coordinate the ride.

So it turned out that, so you guys have been
rocking for 11 years.
Yeah, and you the ride.

Josh (39:02):
So it turned out that.
So you guys been rocking for 11years.
Yeah and uh, you said you rideprimarily on sunday and tuesday
nights sunday and tuesday nights.
Sunday, tuesday nights and uh,sunday, like, like, what's the
vibe of the ride?
Is it like?
Is it like, uh, you guys allshredders?

it depends who shows up.
Yeah, it's.
It's probably more of anintermediate ride.
Okay, very rarely do we haveexpert style ride.
You know advanced rides.

Josh (39:25):
Sometimes we do a couple of those, yeah, but do you post
that and let people know like,hey, this is a, this is a good
you know going to kill you.

Yeah, yeah, Be careful if you're a beginner, I
try to word it, not not to notattract people.
Oh yeah, right, right, if, ifyou come to this ride, you know
you're not going to like it,it's a squirrel catcher
statement.

Josh (39:42):
So what's today's?
I'm just trying to gauge howfucked I am.
What's today's ride going to beToday's ride?

should be easy with climbing.
Most of the trails up top ofMount Lemmon are fairly short,
with a climb to get back up.

Josh (39:57):
Okay, fairly short downhill, yeah, yeah, okay.

Yeah, so most of the trails.
I looked at it the other day.
Dane asked me about how longthis couple of trails are.
Told him it's like 15 minutesof riding and then you got like
an hour of climb.
That's totally imbalanced and Iended up looking it up and it's
the last time I did it.
It was like eight minutes ofdescending of descending and

(40:21):
like 30 minutes of climbing backup, 40 minutes of climbing back
up yeah, wow but you know, ifyou're in shape, you do it a
little faster and yeah I don'tknow, it's just one of those
being on the bike up on themountain yeah, you got right in
the

Josh (40:36):
middle of summer.

Yeah right, anytime you could ride in the middle of
summer at 12 o'clock in inarizona, in arizona, in tucson.

Josh (40:41):
Yeah, this is part of our four months of awful yeah, yeah,
so it levels Anytime you couldride in the middle of summer at
12 o'clock In Arizona, inArizona, in Tucson.
Yeah, this is part of our fourmonths of awful, yeah, yeah.

So it levels the playing field up there, but you
do got to pay the price, yeah.

Dane (40:49):
Yeah, it's definitely pay to play.
Yeah, but eight minutes of adescent is usually a lot.
Almost the same.
It's the same distance.

Yeah.
Right crazy, your same distancegoing down as you are coming up
but it's eight minutes one wayin 30, yeah, so well.

Josh (41:05):
Dane's been talking to me about how bad my technique is no
, that's not true yes, but hebought me dinner.
He's like I'm gonna buy.
And then he sat me down.
He's like let's talk about howyou ride.
He like buttered me up and thenI went out on fr and I spent
two hours practicing what hetold me and I have never railed

(41:26):
a corner in my entire life untilFriday after I implemented his
technique, which is likeprobably second nature to you,
but just dropping your outsidefoot and waiting that foot and
dropping the bike, so I did that.

Dane (41:36):
And all I did honestly, this is no joke Like we did.
We were talking about stuff andI all I did was mention to him
that people hear thosestatements drop your outside
foot and wait the outside corner, drop the bike instead of your
body, things like that and theygo uh-huh, uh-huh that's awesome
and then they don't ever reallythink about what it?
Actually means, and he justtook a second to think about

(41:59):
what he did and then went outand did it, and that's the
difference.

Josh (42:03):
I didn't do anything.
I don't know anything.
So then I came back and I toldmy wife, who's better rider than
me?

Dane (42:08):
And she's like you shouldn't do that.
That's retarded and I'm likelisten, listen.
This is what I've come toconclude.

Josh (42:14):
I'm six foot three and I'm heavy.
In the way that I have to ridea bike's different than the way
you're skinny.
A small ass has to ride a bikeso yeah, I got to get that
weight down.

Dane (42:23):
Anyways, we'll see how today goes and incidentally,
just just a quick thing on onanyone giving you advice there's
always take that with a grainof salt.
But uh, that corneringtechnique does the best on flat
corners off camber flat cornerswe have, no, we have loose over
hard here.

Josh (42:38):
Yeah, kitty litter, yeah, so that technique works well on
our yeah arizona and high speedflat corners.

Dane (42:44):
Any coach that tells you there's only one way to corner,
just fire them immediately.
You know there's multiple waysand there's multiple conditions
and ways that you do itdifferently depending on the
conditions so we have a lot oflike ride groups in tucson so
we've had old old pueblo mtbyeah they.
And then they have somesubgroups too, like the, the
divas, yeah, the dirt divas,like they're ladies um

(43:08):
orientated yeah, I don't want tosay specific because a lot of
guys go on them yeah and um, butuh, that's a club.
Uh, cranksters, uh, the youmentioned the addicts.
Yeah, uh, our mountain bike,these are all facebook groups
right you know, and, like I said, social media helps them
congeal into one group where,you know, back in the day we
used to call each other.

(43:28):
You know, we used to writefantasy every Tuesday, Thursday,
and it was like four of us andwe would just call each other
and that phone call hey man, I'mgoing to be at the trail at six
.
We'd always do it at night, gotyou motivated and if you
promised to be out there anddidn't show, you had a lot of
shame.

That was the big thing with the RMTB rides, yeah.

Dane (43:49):
If you said you were going to come and don't show you
would.
Basically, it was a motivator.

Josh (43:54):
And it's really nice to have Someone's holding you
accountable.

Getting your ass out of bed.
Yeah, that's the main thing forthis.
Rm2b rides is and people arecounting on me do a ride on
sunday.
I gotta be there.
It's like one less beer.
Saturday night.

Josh (44:06):
You're like I should probably put.

Dane (44:07):
I should have put that, no , no, so so it's funny that you
say that, because each club haskind of themes yeah.

Josh (44:15):
So what's your theme then?
Is it, it's beer?
He's this.
He's got a shirt that says eatbeer, drink bikes, ride tacos
and so like, and I'll just saythis I'm gonna make that the
title of this podcast eat beer,drink bikes, ride tacos.

Dane (44:32):
I'm gonna make that the title when I first started
riding with our mountain bike,there was they would stop in the
trail, they would have a placethat they would stop and they
would all pull out beers out oftheir camelbacks oh, really, it
was the first time.

Josh (44:44):
Like don't they get all shooken up and nasty depends on
how good of a rider you are.
Oh, here we go.

Dane (44:49):
This is why I drink whiskey because you could shake
it and it still tastes good, butlike that was.
That was the first experience Ihad with that and my first
mountain biking was pot smokers.
When I was really getting intoit they wanted to get away from
town, go smoke pot and peace andjust have a nice relaxing ride.
And I would want to go ride andI didn't do that.

(45:11):
But they would stop and they dothe safety meeting.
These guys stop and they do abeer stop.

Josh (45:15):
So is that going to happen today on this ride?
Is there going to be a beer?
Stop in the middle of this ride.

This one yeah, that going to be a beer stop in the
middle of this ride.

Josh (45:23):
this one yeah, that's the nice thing about there is the
trails are so short.
You do a couple loops so youcan have a couple.
So yeah, instead of.

Instead of carrying them with you.
You can leave them back at thevehicle in the vehicle.
Okay, yeah, you know so youdon't need to carry them this
time.
But usually, yeah, okay,usually I schedule and you know
it's not a.
It's not a beer stop, it's arefreshment stop, yes.
So if you like whiskey, youbring whiskey, okay, cool.
If you like soda, you bring asoda.
If you like beer, you have abeer.
If you're just going to drinkyour water bottle, then that's

(45:49):
what you drink.

Josh (45:50):
You guys, don't judge no no, no, no judgment.

Just out to have a good time Instead of going to
the bar.
Hang out with our friends.

Dane (45:59):
Yeah, and we used to do quilting rides what the fuck.

Josh (46:04):
Dave, what the hell are you talking about?
So we would ride, you wouldstop and quilt.

Dane (46:09):
Well, so we would stop Jesus Christ, you got big looms
set up, the leaders would stop,and then they'd wait for the
last people and then they wouldtalk, and then they would talk
forever and then the last peoplehave shown up.
You got to let them rest, andso you keep talking.
And so one guy got frustrated.
I think it was a Brian Vanceride and a Kathleen brewing and

(46:32):
one guy got frustrated.
He's like you guys are alwaysout here quilting and like
because we just sit there andtalk while we're waiting and you
get carried away and just, andnobody's got this, this, um, you
know this strava asshole kindof mentality that we gotta go,
go, go, go go everybody's justout there to for the social
aspect too, and so quiltingrides or social rides where
you're just hanging out Iactually thought, you realized

(46:53):
we're bringing quilting shit

you guys would stop and like all right, let's work
on the arm of the sweater.

Dane (46:58):
I gotta get this done today but that term is awesome
it is a good and it just.
It was like everybody's sittingaround quilting, talking like
having a good time and and, uh,you know everybody's like when
are we gonna ride?

Josh (47:10):
yeah, we have that problem sometimes, oh yeah, yeah so
that's and we were just talkingabout that how jilly your
daughter's getting into it andshe's like I gotta teach you.

Dane (47:19):
Like, let's go, let's go, let's go.

Josh (47:20):
And it's like she what the problem is?
She's, she's gotten like she's,she's got a bunch of old men
yeah, she doesn't want to talkto us.
Yeah, that's why I try toengage her as much as I can.

Dane (47:28):
I'm like how you doing?
Yeah, she really enjoys it, butshe's whipping dude, she's
she's gonna be sick.

Josh (47:34):
I know like if she sticks with it she's gonna be sick.

Dane (47:36):
The only thing is, I've seen a lot of people that it
could be really amazing andbecause they didn't have to
struggle.
They don't.
They may not appreciate as much.
I've seen that a couple oftimes with junior development
teams and things like that.
Where they have this naturalraw talent, they go out, they do
great.
It's no big deal for them.
That's my son.
Yeah, and then because of that,they don't really feel like

(47:58):
they're accomplishing a lot, soit's easy to just drop.

Josh (48:00):
If you can go do a 50 foot double and clear it blind on
your first time down and you'rejust like, yeah, whatever.

Dane (48:07):
I'm going to go try this other thing.

Josh (48:09):
He's like I really don't want to ride, yet this isn't
that hard.

Dane (48:12):
Jesus Christ and why did you do that?
Yeah, and then you see guyslike us and I.
I put group where we've beendoing this forever and we still
got to learn and we still got towork.

Josh (48:21):
You said you're learning to jump again.
Yeah, I want to relearn.
If my wheels get off the ground, I'm like it's like I get a
half inch and I'm excited.

Dane (48:29):
I finally got into where I leave the ground and now I'm
like how high can I go?

Josh (48:34):
the only problem I have is that, like, if you watch friday
fails, you know pink bike, sohere's every time they fall,
it's when their wheels are offthe ground.

Dane (48:44):
So I'm just like if I don't jump.

Josh (48:46):
I'm probably not going to fall that much.

Dane (48:48):
I've learned Just don't do that, don't watch it Don't
watch Friday.

I thought you were saying don't crash, no no,
you're going to crash, but don'twatch.

Dane (48:57):
Friday fails Cause man.

Josh (49:02):
I Because man, I'll tell you what it gives you all the
bad juju, oh gosh, oh gosh.
Okay, so RMTB Rides.
Thank you, by the way, for theservice that you provide.
Thank you for coming and thankyou for inviting me to your ride
today, I guess like secondhandthrough Dane.
It might be the last time I getincluded.

Dane (49:13):
We'll see, so that's what's cool about these groups
is you're not singled out andinvited individually.
You're not singled out andinvited individually.
It is a group that welcomes youand it's something that you can
find and you can join and youcan go have fun and they bring
you along and they're showingyou trails or showing you
techniques like it's all newpeople.

Yeah, that's a big thing it's.

Dane (49:33):
It's a community that everybody wants you to be a part
.

Josh (49:35):
So all these different ride groups?
Are you guys like bloods andcrips, like?
Do you guys like everybodyalways thinks that, yeah, it's
always us against?

them and oh, our group's bigger.
Yeah, our group's better and tome it's.
It's an option.
You know, old pueblo does a lotof stuff over on the other side
of town.
Yep, um, you know, if that'swhere you want to ride or that's
where you're going to go orthey're going to go to, you know
, honeybee, yeah, um, you knowI'll do a ride.
I try not to look at theirrides.
I I try to pick, being beingthe guy that leads all the rides

(50:06):
.
It's more about what works goodfor me, yeah yeah, um, which it
should be.
It should be, yeah, I mean, ifsomebody you know, dane, comes
to me, hey, I really want toride, you know, I want to add
urban assault, oh yeah, yeah,I'll plan a ride for that.
That sounds fun, but you?
Know, usually it's it's around,around my schedule and what
works good for me.

Dane (50:23):
So it usually established so his Tuesday Sundays.

So, Tuesday.

Dane (50:28):
A lot of times is a fantasy.

Okay.

Dane (50:30):
And remember, I took you to Mulligan's.

Josh (50:32):
Yeah, so that ride we did at fantasy a couple of weeks ago
, was that an RMTB?

Dane (50:47):
No Wednesday.
By the way, I've been toMulligan's three times, to
include yesterday.

Josh (50:49):
Now you know why the shirt has tacos.

Dane (50:50):
Oh my God, dude those fish tacos Like they're so basic,
but they're so amazing.

Josh (50:53):
Like shout out to Mulligan's man If you're in
Tucson, it's amazing and so likethat.

Dane (50:57):
that.
That's what's cool is thatpersonality is there.
And so I see people you know,cause from my perspective, I'm
seeing all of the rides, youknow, and I try and do my own
rides and I'll, because my ridesare not established, they're
just, you know, shop rides.
Yeah, I try, and I do look atthe other ones and try and
figure out a night that nobody'sriding, so that I won't be by

(51:18):
myself.

Josh (51:18):
You can offer something different, right?
It's not?

Dane (51:20):
just Dane and Josh, right, yeah, but but for the most part
like there you just get.
I see people from each one.
Val hits like every ride, youknow, and like there's a, a
couple other people they're likehit all different rides and
usually like um, you'll be like,okay, I can ride on Wednesday,
what's going?
On and you just go to a yeahand so, and then you have the
diehards.

Josh (51:40):
You know there's definitely people that will go
on like, hey, this is, I'vepicked this this group, this
group, and this is who I ridewith, you know, does anyone have
an rmtb rides tattoo?

not that I know of.
I haven't seen that yet.

Josh (51:52):
Yeah, that was like back when we had our old team, the
sonoran pirates.
Yeah, one of the guys got asonoran pirate tattoo and what's
the?

logo holy shit uh, I got a crossbones or yeah.

Josh (52:01):
It's like I got.
It was in like the.
Do you remember the Tucsonpeddler?
I think so.

Dane (52:06):
Yeah, yeah, it was like a magazine.
It was Damien.

Josh (52:08):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, we, we did an ad in the Tucson peddler
at one time, just because wethought we were All right.
So that's RMTV Rides.
You also are involved, and havebeen involved, at least for a
while, with SDMB, sdmb yeah,I've been like geez.

it's probably been like 10 years now.

Josh (52:29):
Okay.

Actually, I don't have that on my phone.

Dane (52:32):
It's almost been the same amount of time.

Yeah, so the way that started was we started this
group.
I had 10 or 15 riders, 10 or 15people in this Facebook group.
Like we started this group, Ihad 10 or 15 writers, 10 or 15
people in this.

Josh (52:44):
Facebook group Like holy cow.

I didn't know.
I didn't know I had that manyfriends.
People start showing up.
You meet people on the trail.
Some guy's like oh man, wereally need to get our own
jersey.
How cool would it be to haveyour own shirt.

Dane (52:55):
Yeah.

It's like, oh yeah, that'd be cool.
I had a buddy that owned one ofthe restaurants here in town
and thought it'd be cool to besponsored.
I don't need no money, I justwant to look like I'm sponsored.

Dane (53:09):
Hey, you want to be on our jersey?

And talked him into giving me a little bit of money
to make the jerseys nice andcheap.
Yep, all of a sudden we had ajersey.
I wanted to say thanks to SD&Bfor all their stuff that they've
done, you know, taking care ofthe trails and and there's torca
and then arizona trailassociation.
Everybody has a little thing.
I was like trail advocacy groupyeah, yeah, I'll put their

(53:31):
logos on there.
You know kind of get them in thenotice.
And ended up talking to uh, hisname was zach mcdonald there.
It's probably someone you needto get in the show too.
Yeah, he's on the on the list.
He's on the list.
He's on the list.
Yeah, Good, good dude.

Josh (53:42):
We're coming for you.
He's good dude, yeah.

And, uh, I I talked to him and I'm like, hey, I
want to put you guys' logo onthe Jersey, you know.
And he's like, oh, let me know,I'll give you some money.
I'm like, no, no logo.
Okay, cool, so and I'm puttingthat logo on and that's how I
ended up getting to know him alittle bit more.
And, yeah, I found out aboutthis, this bike park they keep

(54:07):
talking about over there at 100acre woods yep, yep and man, I
would see zach or talk to himmaybe once a month or once every
two months, and hey, is thatbike park done yet?

Dane (54:17):
hey, when's that gonna open?
You know it's right down thestreet from my work.
I want to go.

I I'm going to go check it out.
Oh no, no, not yet, not yet.
And next thing I know he's like, hey, you should be on the
board.
I'm like, oh no, I got time forthat.

Josh (54:32):
Nobody ever has time for that.
Ain't nobody got time for that.

Ain't nobody got time for that I mean, I got this
running, I got work.

Josh (54:44):
family, kids were at that age where you know high school,
all this activities for the kids.
I definitely got time for this.
This sounds super familiar thisis how I'm feeling yeah, right
at this moment, when that's like, hey, you should come help out
man yeah you never have time,you're right, you just make it,
you just make yeah so I was like, nah, I got time for that, he
goes.

well, you should at least come to one of our
meetings and have a beer.
And I'm like, oh, that's howthey hook you.

Dane (55:04):
A beer huh Alcohol Addiction, Addiction.

Josh (55:10):
Maybe I'll come hang out for a minute.

And before the next meeting I find out that Zach is
moving out of town so he's notgoing to be with SDMB anymore.
I was like, oh, perfect, that'smy easy out.
You know it's easy to say no.
Now, yeah and uh, I never didgo to the meeting, waited a
while driving to actually driveinto a ride, get a phone call,
hey, uh.
Hey, this is Evan with SDMB.

(55:34):
Uh, zach told me that you werethinking about being on the
board.
Well, you know, I was kind ofbusy and I got my club I'm
working on and I really don'tthink I had time.
Oh man, you should just comehave a beer.
Come to our meeting and have abeer.
All right, maybe I'll come to ameeting.

(55:54):
So that's the way you do it.
Talk to my buddy, one of mybuddies that helped me, pedro
helped me start the RMTB ride,stuff.
He's a big part of that.
Vote for Pedro, yeah, oh yeah,stmb wants me to be on the board
.
You want to go with me to thismeeting?
Oh, sure man.
Yeah, I'll go with you.
I always suck him intoeverything.

Josh (56:14):
Poor Pedro, he is like the guy from Napoleon Dynamite,
then right he's kind of like theno offense Pete Always willing
to join my shenanigans.

Yeah, so we go to this meeting and it seems all
right.
You know, I thought first day Ididn't know anybody.
You know I want to hang outwith a bunch of people I don't
know.
Evan tells me Evan was thepresident, then the newer
president.
He tells me, oh yeah, hestarted naming like five or six
people.
I'm like, oh, I guess I, Iguess I do know some people.

(56:48):
Oh go to this meeting have abeer.
Yeah, this is pretty cool.
You know, I kind of want to bea part of this.
It seems like something a lotbigger than me, but yeah, I
don't know, it was seemed likesomething to do and, uh, slowly
got got worked into that.
And the thing with SDMB is, isthey never assign you stuff like

(57:11):
, okay, dane, you're going to dothis.
I need you to do this, josh, Ineed you to do that, you're
going to do this?
It's kind of a a volunteerthing.
You know we don't need peoplesaying, hey, you should, you
should build a trail over here,you should do this, you should
do that.
It's always what can I do, whatworks for me, and one of the

(57:32):
things that they brought me onfor was to run rides and events,
because they saw what I wasdoing with RMTB Rides.

Josh (57:38):
Right.

And I was like I could do that.
I guess, just do the same thing, but just include SDMB and
invite our members.

Josh (57:46):
Yeah.

Okay, so that's the way it started.
And next thing you know I'm onthe board and organizing this
and that and started working onthe jerseys or some shirts or
something, and I'm handing outshirts at the board meeting one
day and, hey, I think Daveshould be the president.
No, I'm too busy for that ain't.

Josh (58:08):
Nobody got time for that.

Nobody got time for that so, yeah, sure, no, I was
president for a little while andI kept things going with that
and and and man a lot of stuffwith sdmb started building.
First thing that got me hookedwas building a trail.
Going out to some of the traildays, building some trail.
Any time you build a trail,work on trail, you come by, ride

(58:30):
that later on you're like man,I did that this, two feet of
trail right here.

Dane (58:35):
I worked on.

Josh (58:36):
It's true, though, yeah.

I mean, that's your trail.
Now, yeah, the more you do it,the more you go on rides, and
that's all you think about isthe trail that you did.

Josh (58:45):
Do you like look after your little sections?

You know what I wouldn't say?
I look after them, but everytime I ride by it.
Like if something's messed upon your part of the trail, you
would stop and be like I've gotto fix this shit.

Dane (58:59):
This is my thing, so for our listeners, you know the
Sonoran desert mountainbicyclists, which is different
than the san diego mountainassociation, but because we've
had both those guys on, butepisode 52 we had nat gordon on
and we focused that on what hewas doing in mount graham with
the graham cracker down there,which is amazing kind of big
mountain.

Josh (59:17):
So go back and listen to episode 52.
But stmb does trail advocacy.
You guys work with umgovernment agencies to get
approval.
You guys do something we callbrush-tober.

Dane (59:29):
Brush-tober.
Brush-tober.

Josh (59:31):
So we have an interesting thing here in the desert In the
late summer we get the monsoonsthat come in, so we'll get a lot
of rain that comes in and thenwhen that happens, we get a big
spring up of grasses and foliageand stuff just grows a lot at
that time so the trails get likekind of I guess it'd be like
spring in other parts of theother country maybe yeah, so we

(59:51):
got to go out and like chop downall that stuff and kind of
brush out the trails.
You guys do that becauseeverything's sharp and pointy
yeah yeah, so you, they do.
It sounds like you guys, Idon't do.
They still do group rides, orthat's not really the focus
right now.

Dave Slagle (01:00:04):
No, we've talked about that in our meetings and
there's such a great communityof already.
Yeah, I mean, it's easier forRMTB Rides and Old Pueblo and
mountain bike addicts to runrides.

Josh (01:00:17):
SDMB doesn't need to do that, so we don't do that,
that's awesome that this groupand I'm starting to help out a
little bit get involved a littlebit there, so trail advocacy.

Josh came around to have a beer with us.

Josh (01:00:31):
You guys hooked me.

Dane (01:00:33):
The first one was at Moto Sonora, which is a great brewery
.

Josh (01:00:36):
You want to come to Moto Sonora.

Dane (01:00:40):
I'm like, yes, why Just come hang out?

Josh (01:00:42):
Just come hang out.

Actually, even before that that, I went down
and helped nat down at graham.
Yeah, I think that's where Imet you at first.

Josh (01:00:48):
Yeah, and you taught me how to.
You can't.
You're like you're not doingthat right no no no, no, you
fucked that up let me show youhow to do that right, and it's
funny just a little bit that youshowed me.
Yeah, um, I'm riding trails andlike poorly built trails that
don't have the right drainage orrunoff.
And you can see like I thinkwhat you taught me is that cause

(01:01:11):
we were, we were building intothe side of a Hill.
You taught me that you want toslant it down to the trail so
that the water will will slidedown and slow the water down
before it gets to the trail, andthen, so it doesn't create like
a channel right there, and I'veseen so many trails that were
not built that way and.
I'm like.

Dane (01:01:28):
Jesus dude, that guy was smart it totally makes like the
time I was like what the hell isthis guy talking about?
Why do I want an angle comingout from the trail?

Josh (01:01:37):
it doesn't make any sense, just cut it and drive it down.
So that's SDMB.
I guess we should thank you forall the stuff that you've done
for the mike mountain bikecommunity that's awesome and you
are also a uh uh brandambassador for specialized right
, yeah, tell us a little bitabout that, like what does that
entail and how did you, how didyou get into that?

well, it was one of the bike stores.
Again, you know the specializedstore that I go to all the time
sabino cycles, they um, theycome to me and they were just
under new ownership.
One of the guys that was therefor a long time ended up
probably retiring, I don't know.
But a new guy shows not notshows that one of the guys there
bought into it.

Josh (01:02:14):
Yep, and the current owners.
Yeah, current owner can.
And then that old owner, youknow, my Epic Evo.
It was his bike.

Dane (01:02:21):
Steve, yeah, yeah.
Great dude, great dude yeah, Iactually used to work there.

Awesome, but the old owner, mac mac, yeah, that's
that's who I got the, the, thestump jumper from mac.
Yeah, oh, wow.
And I remember, yeah, Iremember going in there five or
six years later, you know,getting back into bikes and yeah
, I walk in the store and macwas there and he's like hey,
dave, how's it going I'm likeholy shit this guy remembers me.

Josh (01:02:46):
This guy is not face blind , yeah definitely not.

Yeah, so, yeah, um, but we uh, um.
What was he talking about?
We're talking about brandambassador, for that ambassador,
yeah, yeah ken comes to me andhe's like, hey, uh, I want you
to be a you know, a specializedbrand ambassador.
And I'm like, um, I ain't gottime for that and nobody got,
nobody got.

Josh (01:03:08):
He's like just come have a beer and let's talk about it
what do I gotta do?

well, you know, you organize some rides and and do
these events and you got tobuild some trail and I'm like
holy cow I do that.

Josh (01:03:23):
I'm already doing that stuff.
I'm already doing that stuff.
I could just yeah, okay, and Iget a specialized sign me up.

So yeah, I've been doing that for a couple years
now, but it's pretty good.
Okay, it allows me to affordbikes a little bit better yeah,
just get deals on yeah so itworks out pretty good.
Right on what else?

Josh (01:03:45):
Specialized makes great bikes.

Dane (01:03:46):
Yeah, I believe I think there's.
So just so you know he'spicking a fight.

Josh (01:03:51):
Yeah, I'm not actually picking a fight Totally.

Dane (01:03:53):
I own two specialized bikes, I know, and that's your
deficit.

Josh (01:04:00):
Oh man.

Did you hear that?

Josh (01:04:01):
Have you.

Do you listen to Pink bike podcast by chance?
Every once in a?

Josh (01:04:05):
while.
So they just did one.
You know, um, specialized, justopened a new uh development
center for mountain bikes.
Uh, that's kind of more in witheasier access to a variety of
trails.

Yeah.

Josh (01:04:18):
It's in a different location.
So they, they, they got afacility and they've got their
whole like design team and testteam all down there.
I think it's like two or threeepisodes ago on pink bike.
You should give it a listenyeah, it's super interesting.

I have to check the work that they're putting into
it.
So I heard about that.
I never did look into it, but Iheard they were opening
something up yeah, and that newstumpy office looks just sick.

Josh (01:04:41):
Dade's not a dade's not a lover of specialized surprise,
even rise with me anytime, yeahwell, I just it's because I feel
sorry for you guys.
Oh my gosh, yeah, just thecompany that's got all that
money to put into r&d like theirproducts have to be shit.
I would imagine you guys listen.
If only you knew we were just.

(01:05:02):
We talked about in the episodethat recorded earlier this week
about how I think most bikes arein really good shape right now.
I think the companies havefigured out geo.
They figured out themanufacturing.
If they could figure outdistribution and like their
pricing model, life would begood yeah.

Dane (01:05:16):
There, I mean all the bikes are great.

Josh (01:05:18):
Yeah.

Dane (01:05:19):
And especially, you know I used to say I give specialized
a lot of crap.
I sold specialized uh, uh inthe shop.
You know we, we never try, andyou know, belittle anybody's
bike because every bike isawesome and if you're riding
you're awesome, and um and thejoke you know we joke around
with our friends.
Yeah, and I would make the samejoke about a lot of bikes that

(01:05:39):
if I don't carry them becausethat's my bias.
But um but I've, I've often saidthat if specialized, knocked on
the door, I would probably sellit.
No, no joke, and like, I saythat with all seriousness
because as a brand they do agreat job and um, it's a good
bike.
And there's, you know, it's a,it's a very good bike, Um.

Josh (01:06:00):
But if you only you knew a brand ambassador that might be
able to help you.

Dane (01:06:05):
So I told you, I just had an Evo, so I just had a stumpy
Evo 2023.
Ok so but I sold it.
So but you know that, for forme, my whole career of selling
bikes, yeah, whatever you don'tsell, you have to figure out
what's wrong with it.

Yeah.

Dane (01:06:24):
You know that's what you do.
Is you figure out what's wrongwith that?

Josh (01:06:27):
because you got a difference.
You have.

Dane (01:06:28):
How does the stuff I have compare?
And so you get in this mindsetand um, because I've had
different brands and I realizedthat each brand is a unique and
they have to, you know, haveadvantages and disadvantages.
I don't kid myself intothinking there's one good bike,
you know, and when I worked for,trek is a good example it was
all we sold was trek.

Josh (01:06:48):
It was probably the most frustrating job do you know how
many trek frames I've broken?
A lot as somebody who warrantedin their, in their defense,
every single time they replacedit, yeah but it just I got sick
of like being off my bike fortwo weeks because I broke the
frame again.
Yeah, and and.

Dane (01:07:04):
But when you sell one product and you can't sell
anything else, that was supertough because I'm addicted to
bikes and I I'm you know.
I see a new bike and I'm like,and if it's a bike that I really
like.
I want to go get that brand andsell it in the shop, you know,
and so, and sometimes you can'tdo that.

Josh (01:07:22):
You just can't so.
So, Dave, what bikes are youriding right now?
Like what's in the stable todaymy two main bikes.

I have a uh Epic Evo which is more of a cross
country yeah.

Josh (01:07:33):
I love that I over well, Dane helped me overstroke it.
Yeah, the new one.
I saw the new one.

Dane (01:07:37):
Oh yeah, seattle.

Josh (01:07:39):
Yeah, 120, which is how mine's set up now do you guys?

Dane (01:07:42):
is your epics?
Do they have the rear pivot orare they um flex day?
Flex days next day, okay, flexdays.
Yeah, I didn't remember so.

So I have that one that's my cross-country bike,
and then I have um, when I wasable to have two main bikes oh,
let's get serious yeah I had thefor the longest time.
I had just the regular stumpjumper.
I was able to sell that.
Get the uh stumpyvo, which isthe next step up a little bit
bigger bike.

Josh (01:08:09):
That's like what Is that?
A 160?
A 150,?

160?
150, 160.
Yeah 150 in the rear.

Josh (01:08:14):
Yep.

Allowed me to get the cross-country Epic Evo.
So I mean for here in Tucsonthe Epic Evo is great for every
trail 90%.

Josh (01:08:24):
Yeah, in tucson.

the epic evo is great for every trail, every
trail in town, yeah, anything,and then you can ride it up on
mount lemon, but it's definitelywell, well, you could ride it
up on mount lemon.

Josh (01:08:34):
I could not ride it up on all bikes could go on all trails
okay, how much here we go.
Yeah, how much fun.

You're gonna survive or thrive, which is
gonna be yeah be, so the fasteryou want to go, a bigger bike
will definitely help up.

Josh (01:08:48):
So you get a Stumpy Evo and an Epic Evo basically.
So a Stumpy Evo.
No Levo in that.

No, no, no, no, levo, I haven't.

Josh (01:08:55):
Are you?

anti-e-bike.
I wouldn't say I'm anti-e-bike.
There was more places to ridethem yeah, legally have you
ridden one yeah, it was a whileago.
One of the things that sdmb didis they sent me down to the uh
imba summit that was inbentonville, one of the last
ones they had jesus, that soundslike a rough assignment.

Dane (01:09:14):
Next it was horrible.
Next year, bentonville, let'sdo it let's do it well.

Josh (01:09:18):
We got a lot of things next year, taipei bike show euro
bike.

I'm going to whistler, whistlerler.
Jesus, I'm going to have toquit my job, my real job.
It just gets in the way, thiswhole needing money thing, damn
it.

Dane (01:09:32):
So you can't quit your job .
I can't quit my job.
I got to pay for the trips.

Josh (01:09:40):
So what's next?
What's the next bike?
What are you thinking about?

That new Stumpy?
Oh my God, that looks like agreat bike.
I need to borrow one of thosesomewhere.
I mean, I just got a new StumpyEvo literally in December.
So, I'm not ready yet.
I mean I'm ready, but it's Nplus one.

Josh (01:10:01):
Buddy, it's N plus one.
You need something between theEpic Evo in this, yeah.
You need a bike for every trailyou need a bike for every trail
.
Yeah, yeah, and you need ane-bike, and if you're Dane, you
need multiple e-bikes.
It's crazy.

Dane (01:10:15):
It's so crazy.

Josh (01:10:16):
They're addictive, but we're not spending some time
with us.
This is awesome.
Getting to know you, you seemlike a really cool, cool guy.
I appreciate everything thatyou've done for the community.
Continue to do you got anyfinal thoughts for our listeners
?

Final thoughts Um geez, I want to tell you about a
uh a ride.
I was on the other day with amicrobiologist.
I don't know if you've riddenwith them before, but much
bigger than I thought they weregoing to be, much bigger than I
thought they were going to beawesome that was awesome, thank

(01:10:51):
you so much.

Josh (01:11:09):
Have a good day, guys.
Thank you.

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