109 - Bike Shop Secrets & Gear We Like: SportRX Huckson Sunglasses, Vittoria Agarro Tires, Frameworks DH Frame and more. - Mountain Cog

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Josh "Magellan" Anderson (00:21):
it's been a while you said that it's.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" (00:23):
It's been a while.
You said that it's been a while.

We've had so many episodes
pre-recorded.

Dane "The Suspension Guru" H (00:27):
We haven't recorded one, and it'll
probably be two months beforewe issue this one too, so I just
listened Tuesday to our I thinkit was a Bike Shop Secrets that
we just released.
Yeah.

And it was out of order.
It was totally out of order.

Do you even remember recording it?
It was like three months ago,yeah, and and uh, I was just
thinking to myself.

God was totally out of order.

Dane "The Suspension Guru (00:50):
We're going to have to actually pay
attention to it.

Like if in order, well like, try to
make them like future proof.

Yeah , you were like hey, there's
some in Borg embargo stuff wecan't talk about and we've
already released that episode.
Yeah, all right, I got aquestion for you.

Oh okay, why did the scarecrow win
an?

award .
Oh, oh, I got this.
It's because he was in Wizardof Oz and I'm pretty sure he got
an Emmy.

Nope, oh, it's because he was
outstanding in his field.

You know, I wonder if all the
scarecrows like if that's like a, a Jesus thing, like cause
they're like nailed up on posts.

Oh my gosh.
We've said no politics and noreligion on this podcast.
Buddy, we agree to that.
That was one of us.
Part of the terms andconditions.

I'm just wondering how they all
look at them Like, like, arethere others?
Like do do?
I'm like, like, are thereothers Do do?
Department store dummies lookat scarecrows in a different way
because they're nailed up onposts?
I don't know, I mean that'sinteresting.

So I don't know what's better.

They probably have a better view.
Are they envious?
Well, I don't know, but ifthey're on the second floor,
they're better.

Yeah, okay, okay.
I don't know where the hellwe're going with this.
I don't either.
You know what I'm excited aboutOur podcast continues to grow.
That's awesome.
It's modest growth but itcontinues to grow, like every
month it's more listeners andInstagram is growing and it's
cool.

Yeah , it's.
I get people contacting mewhich is awesome, yeah and
either telling me I'm full ofcrap or that I think I was right
.
Yeah, Either one doesn't matter.
I'm happy to hear from them.
I'm just a lonely man and Ijust want to hear from people.
But, uh, but, yeah, no, it'sbeen great.
Uh, I, I really enjoy it.
Uh, the the big thing that, um,I've been doing lately is doing

(02:37):
a lot more testing of equipmentand I wanted to kind of share
that I don't want to you know,be like everybody else, yeah
yeah, this isn't like.
The goal is not to give you abunch of stats and tell you how
many newton meters something isand like you know, whatever all
of that stuff.
You know I may throw out someof that stuff, but really it's
to kind of give practicalinformation on stuff we're we're

(03:00):
trying out uh, there's a numberof products that we're trying
out, both of us and uh givepeople kind of a like an your
viewpoint, which I feel like islike the every man.

I'm the every man.

Yep , you're the every man.

I feel like the every man.

And then my viewpoint, which is,
you know, is it snake oil, Is itreal, Is it marketing or is it,
is it feasible, Things likethat?
And so that's kind of what Iwant to do, Not, you know, like
you know, I don't want to have,like, a Canyon bike in the
background of our you knowstudio that you know I'm
constantly referencing becausethey pay my paycheck.

So so we have no sponsorships on this
podcast Currently.
We do get some product everyonce in a while from folks that
want us to check it out, andwe've had some folks send us
some stuff and we've been likehey, we're going to be open and
honest about this.
If you send it to us, you'rewelcome to send it, but we're
going to be transparent aboutwhat we think.
Now, Dane and I are having ahealthy debate on whether this
is a good idea or not, includingsome product reviews.

(03:59):
I think today we got someproduct stuff we want to talk
about.
We also have some more bikeshop secret questions, depending
on how the time goes.
So we'll see how it goes, butlet us know, like do you dig
this content?
Do you want us to talk aboutproducts or not?
I think, like, our perspectiveis that we're going to talk
about products that we've had,you know, like longterm review

(04:21):
or a bunch of time that weeither really like or don't like
, and give you guys thoseperspectives.
And again to to this point,we're not sponsored and if we
ever do become sponsored, we'lllet you guys know in the event
that we're talking about asponsored product, we'll be very
clear about that.
So, yeah, you should get likeunbiased opinions and some of
these things Dan and I have bothused.

(04:41):
We might not agree.
You're going to hear theperspective of both of us.
Yeah, that's very true.
You want to start or you wantme to start?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Hi (04:48):
I got my paper in front of me.
Go for it.

Dan's going to start with a product
that he's been digging, or asuite of products that you've
been digging.
If you guys hear thunder andlightning behind us, we
apologize.
We live in Arizona.

We're in the monsoon, which is
awesome.
We love the rain, um, so, uh,uh, I have been riding this
brand for a while.
Uh, it's a vittoria, vittoriatires, and so a little
background on vittoria is there.
Uh, we did a podcast with, uh,ken avery, yep, yep, so and cool
guy.
I had been riding vittoria wellbefore I even knew ken, or got
to know him, and we shoulddisclose that after that podcast

(05:26):
, victoria sent us some productto ride.

They did, they did.
They're not paying us, but theydid send us some product.

Yeah , but I will throw out that I've
been riding this product I'mgoing to talk about before that.
So, roger, so it wasn't himdoing that.
Um, the the tire inserts I'mgoing to talk about are a little
bit new.
So the big background story isI discovered Vittoria back when
it was called and some peoplemay know this GX or geeks or

(05:53):
whatever you want to call it andthat was the brand name that
Vittoria had for their mountaintires, and we had a tire called
the Goma.
I don't know if anyone's oldenough to remember the Goma.
Nobody's old enough 20, 26 by 2.
Uh, I don't know if anyone'sold enough to remember the Goma.
Nobody's old enough 20, 26 by2.4, which no one no one on this
podcast ever rode 24 inch tires26, 26.
Yeah, Um, but, uh, I love thosetires.

(06:14):
They did great.
Um, we also had, uh, theSaguaro Saguaro, saguaro,
S-A-G-U-A-R-O, thank you, causeI can't spell.
Um, so I've been riding thesetires for a long time and then

(06:35):
they changed their name.
Finally, vittoria, who wasreally really well known in road
, changed their name to, to, uh,the GX brand.
They, they just shelved it andjust made it so it was gx.
Previously it was gx, is wastheir mountain division and
vittoria was their road division.
Then, uh, they got rid of thegx name and just decided to

(06:57):
stick with vittoria and if youwant a deep dive on this, go
back to episode 100.

Beyond marketing vittoria's approach
to mountain bike tire design andmanufacturing look at you
having that queued up.

Look at that I know.
So okay, to get to the review,I have been riding a tire that
they make in our desertconditions and I ride enduro
downhill cross-country trail.
I ride everything.
This is my favorite tire rightnow and it's called an Agero, so
it's the Vittoria Agero.
They come tire right now andit's called an agaro, so it's

(07:30):
the vittoria agaro.
Um.
They come in various widthspretty much two widths now
they've narrowed it down to 2.4sand 2.6s.
They come in 27s and 29s.
They usually have just a trailcasing and so vittoria has um in
their lineup.
They have an enduro casingwhich is much more durable, and
they have a trail casing fortheir tubeless tires.
The big thing that Vittoriadoes that I I kind of grabbed on

(07:52):
to early was they put grapheneinto their, their rubber
compounds, which allows them tolast longer and still have a
good bounciness or grippiness,you know.

Yeah, yeah, okay.
But like we talked about allthe technology okay with ken in
that episode, like how are theyworking?

so when I ride these tires, the
biggest thing that I notice isthat the side knobs are pretty
even.
Uh, they're squared off andthey're real supportive, so
they're not super tall.
So, like if I ride a dhf or adhr, um any of the maxis big
tires, like the enduro tires,they have big fluffy knobs and

(08:35):
they kind of get a littlesquirmy on our hard pack and so
what I've noticed on the aguerosis a little bit lower knob so
they do wear a little faster,like you know.
Uh, they're just not as muchmaterial but they're so much
lighter and so when I spin themup to speed it's faster.
When I want to turn the wheelit's faster.
Uh, they grip awesome in thecorners.

(08:58):
They do real well in shale andhard pack, but they still have
enough knob to grab into pineneedles, like when we're on
mount lemon.
So for me it's one of thefastest, lightest tire that it
just barely holds on to theenduro category.
So like I wouldn't call it alike a like a no-brainer enduro

(09:19):
tire, I would call it a likesomebody who wants a light, fast
tire, they can ride this as anEnduro tire.

So only drawback that I found and I
talked to Ken about this is…Ken Avery, the product manager
for Vittoria, yep for.

Dane "The Suspension G (09:35):
Vittoria is that I was getting some
sidewall cuts and actually pinchflats, you know, and he
suggested I run the new Endurotire I'm sorry, the new Enduro
tire insert, and so I had beenrunning the old insert, which is
kind of round, and the oldVittoria ones, you kind of.
You had to cut them and thenloop them around and then zip,

(09:56):
tie them together.

I mean he also said there'd been some
manufacturing changes that evenwithout the tire insert.
Yes, that may have resolvedthat.

Yeah , yeah, they put in.
Let me see, I made notes.
They put in a bead, kind of abead shield that is wrapped
around like where the bead is.
That makes it stiffer near theedge of the rim so that when you
compress the tire down near therim it's harder to get your
tire to cut at the bead.
And that's what I was havingproblems with to get your tire

(10:24):
to cut at the beat, and that'sthat's what I was having
problems with.
So that's my.
My big take on these tires isthat I want something light,
fast, kind of adaptable toalmost every terrain and durable
enough, you know, to be able toride on an Enduro bike.
I'm I'm super easy on on wheels, so I will.
The disclaimer to all of thisis that if you're known for

(10:46):
denting and tearing tires, Iwould go with their bigger tires
and their Enduro casing.
But if you're a cross-countryperson that gets aggressive,
this would be a great tire.
And if you're somebody who'slight on tires and wants a
faster Enduro bike, this wouldbe a great tire.

You know, it's interesting when we
talked to Ken and I think one ofthe things he told us that we
can't give any specifics.
Right, we shouldn't give anyspecifics, but like they make
tires for more than justVittoria.

Yes , yeah.

And so that kind of opened my eyes a
little bit.
And then they did send us acouple.
They sent me a Mazan Martellowhich I had started on my e-bike
.
I've just put on my Enduro bike, which I had already pushed on
you.
You had already pushed on meand I was not a Vittoria fan,
but since I started riding themI am now systemically going

(11:35):
through every one of our bikesand swapping them all over from
primarily Maxxis to primarilyVittoria.
One of the things I've had alot of just love for is the
mezcals on my gravel bike.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
It is just fantastic.
It's a great tire Like.
I think I've tried five or six,not five or six four or five
different uh gravel tireconfigurations and at least for

(11:57):
the loose over hard dry packthat we have out here in the
desert for like cross countrytype trails on that gravel bike
those mess cows are and they'refast.

Dane "The Suspension Gu (12:05):
They're fast Do.
We sell a lot of those to theLeadville, like our Leadville
athletes that go do a Leadville,they love that tire.
Um, so the um, the insert thatI got from him that's new, is
the biggest drawback to theirold one.
It was kind of round and so youcould run flat all the time on
it.
Uh, not all the time, but youcould run flat all the time on
it.
Uh, not all the time, but youcould run flat on it.
It was so round and filled yourtire so much that you could

(12:29):
have a flat tire and still ridein.
Uh, you can still do that on thenew one, but it's shaped closer
to a like a cush core where ithas like kind of a bead lock
center channel and then it kindof flares out to protect the rim
and the big thing that.
Um, because I've ridden a lotof different inserts and I gotta
say that this is one of thelightest inserts I've ever

(12:51):
ridden, and so I did somecalculations because, unlike you
, I'm doing the opposite.
I've been going through mygarage and kind of forcing
myself to try new tires becauseI get into a like, a tire I like
and I just stick with it right,and I'm trying to try new
products, so I'm not, I'm tryingthose.

Hence the Schwalbe, the Schwalbe Yep.

Dane "The Suspension Gur (13:09):
Trying the new Schwalbe.
I've been putting Maxis back onmy bike to to ride them.
What yeah?

Are you putting Maxis back on your?

bike yeah.
You know Maxis to a point whereI'm like sometimes people buy
maxis because of the hype andnot necessarily because it's the
best tire yeah, so I like alittle bit of an underdog and
vittoria was kind of thatunderdog that would consistently

(13:38):
shine if you actually tried himcan I take his down a rabbit
hole?

sure, I don't know if you noticed, but
my buddy chris's bike's out inthe garage.
You're gonna take his fork hometo work on it.
Yeah and uh, he showed up theretoday with new tires.
He was all excited.
I got new tires, yeah and, andso he's got a ranger, uh, revel
ranger, which is effectivelylike a downcountry slash, cross
country bike.
Uh, yeah, it's like, it's likea 130, 120, yeah, and he shows

(14:02):
up with 2.6 dhfs front and backyep, yeah, same tire.

Yep , yep he's like I got him for 50
bucks, man, yeah well, so likewe have a guy and and he's
probably going to listen to thiswho buys, he's going to get mad
at me and send me, uh, somesort of hate mail yeah because
he buys the tires that matchesbikes color, you know.

So so like forget the tread or the
casing or anything like that.

He says he swears that they're
good tires and they ride good,but he buys them because they're
that color and because of the.

Are these the versus tires?

yes , yeah and uh baby foot, and oh
baby foot shout out to baby foot.

Yeah, baby foot's injured right now
and it makes me super sadbecause he's not going to be all
right on our upcoming angel, ohyeah.

Yeah , so so these inserts.
I put the inserts in.
I can't.
I did a weight comparison ofone of my bikes.
It's got the Maxis DHF.
I'm sorry, dhr, on the rear.

Yep.

And it's an exo casing, max grip
2.5.
I think it's 2.5 okay, I thinkthat's right um and wt and it is
around 1100 grams for that tire.
So it's got extra protection.
The exo is one level and thenexo plus gives you a little
extra.
It's not a DD, it's not thedownhill specific rating.
My Vittoria tire is 970 grams,so that is.

Is that a trail?

That's a trail casing, so they have
the bead protection.

So similar to the XO, I would say
like an XO not an.

XO Plus, and then I also have the,
the insert, which is around 135grams, and so combined they're
at 1100 grams.
So now I have a lighter, fasterrolling tire with an insert.
With an insert, so I have asimilar pinch flat protection
and rim protection and then it'sjust faster.
So and that's really what it is, and in our terrain that this

(16:04):
is really important, because youknow we talking to over 60
countries in our terrain thattire is really fast and still
grippy.

Um now , you're still on the Victoria
Saguaro, saguaro.

Aguero .

Aguero .

Yeah , the Saguaro was their older,
older design, Uh so.
Aguero Older design, so Aguero.
So the Aguero is kind of likeif you took their cross-country
tire and it had a love childwith their downhill tire, you
know basically.

We're talking about love children now.
Yep, yep, all right, perfect.

So okay, so that is my product
review on.
These is basically great tire,super fast, corners, awesome,
light and agile, not necessarilyfor a shredder.
You know, Um, but for a aaggressive trail rider or a

(16:54):
super aggressive cross countryperson, they're a great tire.
Uh and just will make your bikefeel a little bit lighter and
more puppy.

Can we ?
So I've got a public serviceannouncement, okay, uh, related
to a Victoria product.
Poppy, can we?
So I've got a public serviceannouncement, okay, uh, related
to a Vittoria product.

Okay .

So I you know, ken sent us some
product and what he sent me wassome, uh, enduro casing, mazda
Martellos and some of the e-bike, uh specific liners, which I've
gotten my e-bike and I've hadno problem.
I actually absolutely love thatconfiguration.
It's working great so far.
I don't know, maybe 10 rides onit.

(17:29):
Um, but I also bought theairliner lights xc's, xc's and I
put that on my uh those arestupid light, like 50 grams or
something, yeah, yeah, don'tquote me, but it was their
stupid light.
Yeah, I put them on my uh epicevo, which is a kind of

(17:49):
downcountry bike, although daneand I have or dane, I should say
dane, dane has like overstrokethat bike, so I think it's like
140, 130 right now.
I think that's right.
Yeah, and I went out on a longride a long ride for me anyways,
18 miles and I got six miles inand had a sidewall rip.

Oh yeah.

Okay, yeah, um, and you're going to
hear about this in the stands,in the stands podcast, right,
when we talk about, like, thedart tool, which would have
solved my problem.
But I didn't have a dart toolwith me at the time, so I, I'm a
big boy 250 pounds at thecurrent time, which, by the way,
is down from 305.
Nice, can I get some?

(18:32):
wait wait, that's the wrongbutton.
Why am I laughing at myself?
All right, but 250 pounds, nota light guy and the whole like
run flat thing with carbon rimsand a air light on my bike
didn't work with 250 pounds.
So I weigh too much and youhave which?
Insert the xe.

(18:52):
I have the xe airline I thinkthat's too light.
I think, for if you weighed 150pounds or 170 pounds, probably
no problem, but for 250 it wastoo much yeah the problem was I
had a tube, I had everything Ineeded.
I couldn't get the tire off therim on the trail with the insert

(19:12):
in it.
Oh, you need like a spat, likeI, for this particular
configuration of of you know,reynolds carbon wheels with the
tire that I was running, whichwas not a vittoria tire don't't
get mad at me.
And these inserts Just too tight, like I spent an hour and I
could not get the tire off.
Yeah, so I walked.
So I called my wife she fourwheel drive my truck out to sag

(19:36):
me out and I turned an 18 mileride into a seven mile ride in a
two mile hike, into a sevenmile ride and a two mile hike.
So the lesson there isunderstand that it's hard to get
the tires off on the trail withinserts in.
And if I'd had a Stan's darttool, which we're going to talk

(19:57):
you've probably already heardthis by the time this podcast
comes out we would have releasedthe Stan's episode.
But that dart tool is designedto fill bigger holes and it also
has a chemical composition thatreacts with the stand sealant
assuming that you're using standsealant and creates a forever
bond.
Had I've had the stands tool, Iwould have used the dart.

(20:18):
It would have sealed, I think.
Yeah, very easily.

maybe I had to did you have any
bacons or anything?

I had bacons.
At all that stuff, none of itworked.
It was too.

It was too too too big a hole.

Okay, um, and I didn't have that much
air.
I had like two uh CO2cartridges and I expended those,
so I ended up having to walkout.
You know, this is like the walk, a different type of walk of
shame, but I had to walk a shame, had to walk out.
So that's the lesson I learnedis like, if you're running
inserts, you know, think aboutthe implications of a trail side

(20:49):
flat If you had to change itand throw a tube in as an
emergency, which I run.
Those I always carry thosetubalite, tubalito, uh, really
thin polyurethane tubes becausethey're super light, super small
, they pack down really small,they're great, they work good to
get you out, get you home.
I had lots of experience withthe, with the two Alitos, and I

(21:10):
think there's other brands thatcarry the poly.

Yeah , we've got them in the shop.
A couple of different brandsmake the same stuff.
Yeah, same stuff.

But those were great.
But that was an experience youknow, like you can't, you
inserts in on the trail.

My first experience with kush core
um, I needed I put it in at theshop.
I got it in.
It was a struggle this is whenit first came out and this we
would hang the kush core on the,the bike stand on the jaws and
then you would almost sit in thehoop to stretch it out.

(21:52):
And the other trick that wetried was taking the CushCore
and putting it on the dashboardof the car for an hour or so in
100-degree weather to heat it upand make it more pliable, and
those all worked really well.
Stalling it on one of mydownhill bikes and then needing
to change a tire in my garage Iwasn't at the shop and pull my

(22:15):
tire off and I'm using tirelevers and I got so angry, could
not get the stupid thing off.
This is the when it first cameout, like it was the only.
I think there was a coupleother brands on the market, but
this was the stuff.
Cushcore was the stuff to get.
And I just got so angry.
And a buddy of mine that I ridewith um, who had been doing

(22:36):
using it too, had developed thistrick, and I don't know if he
stole it off the internet.
I'm sure he did, but um,basically putting the tire on
these 50 gallon trash cans thatwe have in our garage right, and
you put it over the top of itand you use the the trash can to
brace it and then you pop thebead that way and it's a game

(22:57):
changer.
So that's our one of our bikeshop secrets.
If you're installing uh kushcore at home, one of the best
things that you can have isthose plastic rubber made 50
gallon you know, plastic uh uhtrash cans and your wheel will
fit practically over the top ofit, perfect.
And then you can use that at agood bench height almost to

(23:21):
brace and push down with youryour what do you call this part
of your hand?
Your palm?
Yeah, that like the meat ofyour thumb.
Yeah, you know, the palm ofyour.
And you can kind of just pushthat bead down in underneath the
CushCore and then start to popit off, and it works so much
better than trying to hold thatwheel in a normal way.

(23:42):
You know, normally we wouldjust hold a wheel and we would
pop it with our fingers and popthe bead off with, you know, a
couple tire levers.
It's not a big deal.
You just can't do CushCore thenormal way.

Well, I tried for probably several
hours to get a tire off with, uh, the Vittoria airliners in it
and couldn't do it, and I didn'tknow about your trick, and so I
got on Google and researched itand found out that Vittoria
makes a tool.
It's like 30 bucks.
You got to show me this, by theway, before I leave.
Yeah, I will, I'll show it toyou tonight.

(24:14):
It's fantastic, yeah, and so Iordered that tool.
It came in literally like 20seconds.
I had the wheel off.
Yeah, with that tool.
I got two hours of like bangingmy head against the wall.
Half a bottle of whiskey.

Cushcore has, the one that people make
fun of because it's shaped likea Dildo.

No like a butt plug Like a butt
plug.
Okay, that's better, that'sgood.

But I haven't tried that one either
, because with this 50-gallontrash can trick we can do them
relatively quick.
In the shop we actually chargea little extra to do inserts
because they are a lot morelabor-intensive.

Yeah.

But we can do it much better than
struggling in your garage.
At home.
The crisscross can be kind of anightmare until you use
something to brace and that'sthat was the game changer,
something to hold that thing upso you can push the tire and get
some leverage, whereas youcan't normally do that if you're
just trying to hold the rim anduse one hand or what have you.

So the to summarize, like what we just
talked about, you and I areboth.
You've always been bullish onor a big fan of vittoria tires
yes, yeah so you're digging theaguaro aguero, aguero thank you
and I am like the huge fanboy ofvittoria now and I'm going
through all of whatever 16 bikesin our convert or a convert.

you converted me, Thank you.

Yeah, conscript, you converted me from
from Maxis to Vittoria and, uh,I'm loving like every, like
every bike.
I want to just put Vittoria onand I'm going through as soon as
the tire wears out, I'm buyingwith my own money, in the spirit
of full disclosure.
They did send us a couple tiresto test.
Yeah, and I was like holy shit,these are awesome.
Yeah so then I just expandedfrom then and I've had several

(25:57):
orders on Vittoriacom since thattime.

Now we're not saying that everybody
should ride Vittoria.
We're not saying thateverybody's going to love
Vittoria.
There's going to be some peoplethat don't.
Because that's the beauty ofhaving different brands is
everybody gets their brand thatthey like you may buy your tire
because it matches your bikecolor.
Who knows baby foot?
Yeah, baby foot, um.
Or you know you may buy.
You know like, oh man, I had aguy who would only buy like a

(26:27):
certain tire, like every singlebike we ever built.
Him had the exact same tires onit every single time you had to
ride him.
He just would not ever change,you know.
And then guys like your buddywho come in with like a
lightweight cross-country bikewith dhfs on it and then the
opposite I've seen like reconson an enduro bike.

You know you're like what are you
doing here, bro?

yeah so so like.
But I gotta tell you that oneof the things is I do ride a lot
of tires and I favor cornering.
So that's where I'm coming from.
If a tire is supportive in thecorners and I feel as though I
can rail a corner faster with it, I tend to like it more, and so
I look for a certain profile.
Um, you know, there's othertires that do that I I actually,

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on my cross-country bike I ridenothing but maxis because they
make some super light tires andI've been pretty happy with them
.
But the Vittorias have justbeen really stellar.

So there's two guys in my life that
I ride with.
One is Dane Higgins, the otheris Chris Bonzac, over from
Bonzac Designs that are likeexceedingly faster than I am,
just amazingly faster than I amlike exceedingly faster than I
am, just amazingly faster than Iam, and when I want, and so I
go out and I study and I getlessons and I learned what the
proper technique is and I'mpracticing all those things and

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I'm studying and I'm trying toget bike body separation and
loose grip and I'm trying to getmy weight distribution
correctly and I'm trying to getall these things that we're
supposed to do.
And then I go ride with Dane orChris and neither of them
follow any of these techniquesat all and they're all like
they're both like twice as fastas me.

I , you know, man, so I've been
trying to relearn things.
You know and jumping thingslike that, and you develop a
habit and you do certain things.
You know and jumping thingslike that, and you develop a
habit and you do certain things.
But I also have a lot of yearsof doing something where the
other thing is that the thingthat I've noticed in my deep
dive of like YouTube and tryingto learn from videos online they

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say a lot of things, they don't.
It's very difficult to actuallyknow how to do them.
And then the thing that theydon't really talk about as much
is what I call muscle memory,where your muscles are used to
doing it.

Yeah.

And that is sometimes.
I see somebody try and explainthe way that somebody rides and
they describe what they looklike, but it doesn't really give
you an idea of the little tinymuscles they're activating and
how those muscles areinteracting with the bike and
what they're doing.
And an example of that is I'lltell you is like if you try and

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look at somebody go around acorner, you may talk about how
they dip their shoulder or theirangle of their elbow or
something like that, or theirwhere their legs are if they're
pedals down.

it's out to the right.
Exactly their hips are in allof this.

They cannot see how much pressure
you're pulling up on one side ofthe bar and pushing down on the
other.
They can't see how much tensionyou're putting on the
handlebars to keep that corneror your feet, or or how your
feet are scooped Like.
They'll talk about scooping.

Yeah.

They .
They can't see how much you'retensioning the pedal to hold on
or, like I told you, I like tocorner.
Uh, I'm descending my seat, notall the way down.
They can't see sometimes howmuch you're bracing or holding
yourself up or holding the bikefrom going down with your knees
and and so it's funny, cause I I, you know who I like a lot to

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watch because he's superentertaining is a.
Is it Ben Cathro?

Yeah.

The big, tall, six, eight guy dude
his Scottish accent.

It just cracks me up.

Yeah .
So I love watching that guy andhe does a really good job of
analyzing a lot of things and Ireally geek out on it and I, I,
I really admire it.
But then I remember all theselittle things like how hard it
is for me to describe what I'mdoing, and then when I stop and
actually try and think aboutwhat I'm doing, there's way more
, way more than just pointing myhips a certain way.

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How many times do you think?

we've ridden together, I don't know,
10, 20.
So more than that, more thanthat, yeah, I don't, I think I
can count on one hand, theamount of times I've seen you
stand up.

Yeah , yeah, well, and that's, and
that's also like a differentstyle of writing right, um, like
it's.
It's very different.
So like, uh, I have actuallybeen trying to change.
So I'm trying to that attackposition.
I used to make fun of peopleready position, the ready
position with their arms likestuck, stuck out, like, and I'm
just like that's just goofylooking, but I'm trying to like

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emulate it.
Maybe I'm missing out onsomething.
I have other muscles that areprobably compensating for the
fact that I'm not doing that andstill let me do what I do, but
maybe that's better way.
You know, standing up at thejump is the big thing that I'm
trying to teach my body to do.
My body is so used to hitting ajump at very high speed and

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sucking the bike into my belly,like it's literally like pulling
the bike straight up to mybelly and then pushing it back
down on the landing.
So if you watch me jump, I apost on one of my my socials
about this.
They had an example of two guysriding and one popped the jump
and went straight up in the airand the other one, like speed
jumped it like I do.

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Yeah, and you can see clearlythat the speed jumper is faster,
yeah he's clearly gonna win therace right, but he's not super
exciting to look at the guypopping is who everybody looks
at, so I'm trying to trainmyself to go that way, cause I'm
used to you want to go slower.
It's not so much slower.
I just want to, I just want to,I want some Steve, yeah, I do.

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I do, I want some Riz.
So yeah, oh Jesus.
So.
So I'm trying to learn all that, so it you know, one of the
things that I think people getcaught up on when they're
watching videos or trying tofigure this stuff out is the
biggest thing that I tell peopleand I'm not a coach and I don't
want to teach anyone.
You shouldn't get coached by Dan.
No, I'm a horrible teacher, butone thing you should remember

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is it all takes practice and youhave to develop the little
muscle memory and the littlemuscles to support what you want
to do.
So you can't just… have aposition and then automatically
do it.
You have to do it over and overagain.
To where that second nature?
You don't think about it.

Yeah, well, I can tell you, you know,
like watching Lacey and my wife,we talked about her a lot but
her progress from being fast tobeing like crazy fast, yeah, and
she's gone through and and Iguess the common methodology
that's taught today, thetechnique that's taught today,
she is like textbook If you ridebehind her she's doing,
technique that's taught today.
She is like textbook, if youride behind her.

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She's doing everything likeexactly like they teach you, and
she has gotten.
She's amazingly fast.

Now I would.
I would argue that she's notgotten fast cause she's
emulating the textbook as much,but because she's in a good
position and she does it a lot.

She practiced, that's part of it for
sure, but she's practicingthose techniques.

Yes , it's giving her a thing to
practice, whereas if you don't,even if you don't have a clue,
you know you can go out and ridethe wrong way and just it'll
take you a lot longer.
I, I, I, I, uh.
When I learned to snowboard, Itried to teach myself to
snowboard.
You know how to snowboard?
I kind of, uh, we should gosnowboarding, yeah, except my
knees can't take it.
I was thinking about selling mysnowboard, um, but uh, when the

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first day that I snowboard, I'mlike I can figure this out and
I spent.
I have to like what do you haveto do?
You have to like face down.
I have to face down to get upon the board.

Oh, me too, buddy.
I'm too fat to get up from mybutt.
Yeah, I can't do that.

I get up from my knees, yeah, and
it kills my knees, but anyway,on the first day I was trying to
snowboard, I got on this littlehill, not even on the ski runs.

Yeah.

And I'm just trying to get up.
And I spent half a day justtrying to figure out how to get
up.
Yeah, and I was like, screwthis.
I took a lesson and the coachhad me riding up and riding and
going down easily.
Greens and blues the same day.
So like half the day wasted andthen the rest of the day I'm
I'm up and riding.

So the lesson in all of this is get
some fucking instruction.

Yeah , if you're, if you're
struggling, get somebody to helpyou out, because I think it
really helps.
I I am forcing myself to dothat, you know, and I'm I'm like
swallowing my pride andthinking that I'm good, you know
, and trying to relearn stuffyou know and trying to to get
better.
I'm also, as, as I'm gettingolder, my body is just not happy

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about what I've done to it overthe years, and so I'm also
trying to like learn how to ridein a way that doesn't kill me
the next day, you know.

So for the ever shrinking audience
that is based in Arizona why isit shrinking?
Because the audience is growingoutside of Arizona.

Oh , proportion, proportion, the
percentage, percentage.
It's not actually gettingsmaller, just the percentage is
getting smaller, I would sayit's getting bigger.

It's getting bigger.

Yeah .

Yeah, number wise is getting bigger,
but whatever.
Yeah, I don't know why I wentthere, but if you're in Arizona,
in Southern Arizona, homegrownTara Alcantara's, who've had on
the podcast before, if you'relooking for like gravity type
stuff, fan fucking tastic, yep.
Um Jody Bart's, if you're abeginner just getting in,

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fantastic, she's amazing.

If you're a little farther up
north, um joanna yates yep,sedona, yes, sedona, colorado,
right now she may be yeahabsolutely fantastic and there's
good, good trainers everywhere,so like, go out and get some
some mountain bike coaching.

It's outstanding, it helps.
Should we switch to our nexttopic?
Sure, go for it all, right.
Next topic so if you go back toepisode 71.
Oh my God, yeah, we're going to.
We're going way back.
This was in April of 24.

Is that before or after?

me, you were there, man.
This is.

this is sunglass, rob, oh yeah,
that's one of my first one ofyour first podcast, my best
friend.

Rob who, in the spirit of full
disclosure, is a good friend ofours, the CEO, ceo of sport RX,
are based out of San Diego.
Yeah, they're a sunglass, Iguess, just optical company.
Yep, um, and, again in thespirit of full disclosure, we're
good friends with Rob.
But uh, at that time, before werecorded this episode, rob um

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got me a pair of these Huxonsunglasses.
That Sunglass Rob, who is adeep, deep subject matter expert
in all things sunglasses and isan avid mountain biker himself,
designed, I think, specificallyfor mountain biking, although I
don't think they market themthis way.

These glasses, yeah, they don't want
to pigeonhole just for mountainbiking, they're for everything.
Yeah, for all kinds ofdifferent sports but, uh, the
sport rx.

You can get it at sport rxcom.
And again, rob's not paying meand I've bought two.
So he gave me one pair for freeprescription sunglasses that I
ride with and have ridden withon every single ride since I got
them in March of 2024.
They still look brand new, likeI've never.
Somehow I managed to not losethem, um, and I bought two other

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pairs.
I bought a driving pair withpolarized lenses.
By the way, you shouldn't ridewith polarized lenses on a
mountain bike trail.

Well , yeah, there's, there's reasons
not to, and and people's ideaof polarized is weird.

So, and people's idea of polarized
is weird yeah.

Because they get really into like oh, I
need polarized, but it youdon't.
Yeah, If you're ever wonderingabout that, do a deep dive, even
call Rob.
Just go back to episode 71.
We talk about it in there.

Yeah, but these Sport RX and I've
tried all different kinds ofsunglasses for mountain biking
from Smith to Oakley, to youname it.
I've tried our net, I've triedall different kinds of
sunglasses.
These sport RX Huxons, ahundred bucks If you get them,
not $99.
If you get them,non-prescription.

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If you get a prescription,there's all kinds of options on
things you can do to the lensesand stuff.
They are absolutely fantastic.
The best, the best ridingglasses I've ever had.

So describe them.
I think they look like kind oflike a wayfarer.

A wayfarer.

I don't know what that is A
Ray-Ban wayfarers, so let's see.
So they're kind of squared offlenses.

Yeah, a little squared off lanes
they're not there.

They don't look like you know M
frames or anything like that.

No, they don't look like M-frames.
They're not blades or anythinglike that.

They're separate lenses.

Yep, two separate lenses.
They're plastic.
They've got really good grip onthe and Rob's going to be
pissing me because I don't knowall the right terms, but where
they go around your ears, theygrip really well.
Where they go around your nose,they grip really well.
They have a good set ofcoverage.

They have.
Big thing is the squared off atthe bottom, so you have more
viewpoint.

More viewpoints.
Good for wind, good in rain,good in sun.
I've got the rose-colored ones,which are outstanding for the
trail that Rob designedspecifically for mountain biking
.
I've got transition lenses thatchange based on how much sun
there is, and that's a big dealfor us in the desert, so I can

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go out at 630 when it's stilllight, and when I get back at
839 and it's getting dark, I'mnot completely blind.
I put them on and I don't evenrealize they're there.
I can see amazing.
I used to ride with contacts andthen regular glasses.
Now I've switched to justriding with these prescription
glasses.
I have non-prescription one aswell that I bought with my own

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money.
I have driving ones that Ibought with my own money.
They're like the onlysunglasses I wear.
So the Sport RX Huxons for theprice are just fucking fantastic
.

So after we did that episode, I
will tell you, multiplecustomers came into the shop and
told me that they were buyingglasses from them.

Have you gotten any feedback from
them?
Yeah, they love them.

So their customer service is
amazing.

And so fantastic customer service so
far.

You know, I think one customer said
that he had an issue and had todo a return and it was smooth
and seamless.
Yep, and other than that,everybody I've heard has just
loved them.
So so the long-term test isthat you not only used them,
because in that episode you wereusing them and you wrote.

I had already written them a couple
times, yeah, and so we talkedabout that.
Now I've written them for morethan a year.
Yeah, like I don't, I don'tneed to replace them.

Yeah .

And I don't know how many years in the
future I'm going to ride them,but like if, if I crash and
break them or do something likethat, I'm going to buy another
pair of of sport RX.

Huxons and I I feel like his, his
expertise and the way that thatcompany is designed to like to
give you the most help gettingyou the right glasses for the
way you're going to use them,and that's probably, if I'm yeah
, hopefully I'm doing him aservice and saying it that way,

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because his passion for gettingpeople the right pair of glasses
and it's a big deal yeah, likehe does not want to just slap
his his name on a box and sendit out the door.
That's not the goal.
He wants that person to get thebest optical.
What do they call themselves?
Opticians?
Opticians, yeah, yeah, I don't.

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I don't remember, but it's inthe episode so you guys should
listen to it if you're into thisstuff.
But that is a rave review.
Now can I tell you about myglasses?

Yeah, can I tell you about my glasses?
Yeah, but let me, can I finishone?

part of the story, oh yeah.

So I texted Rob today.
Okay, I was like, hey, we'regoing to test out this talking
about product thing.
Yeah, I'm not sold, but Dane'sall into it.
Yeah, um, we're going to seewhat the listeners think.
And I asked him a couple ofquestions.
You know, are you going tostill sell the Huxons longterm?
He said yep.
I said, uh, is it still a topseller for you?
He said absolutely.
And I said is there anythingnew coming out?
He said yep, ansi rated safetyversion and a version in clear,

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clear frame front with matteblack temples.
So he's all stoked about that.
Then he said, hey, let me callin and come on the podcast.
And I said no, no, no, no, no,no man.
If we bring you on that's like,not that's unbiased.

That's a bias.
That's a bias.
This is an advertisement.

Yeah, I'm a real user.
I'm a real customer.
Yeah, these were fuckingawesome.
If you're struggling witheither prescription or regular
sunglasses to ride in, check outthe Huxons.
Yeah, okay.

Over to have to get my eyes checked.
So you said that in march of2024 so I'm going to tell you
about the glasses that I wear.
I don't.
So yeah, and I gotta tell you,you know, I'm not proud of it
it's really that I misplace myriding glasses all the time and
every time I've gone out in thelast, I'd say, few months, I
think I've gotten a bug in theeye every single time.
So, and it's driving me insane,cause I I'm I normally don't

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wear them, not because I don'tneed them I could use them but
mainly cause I've either leftthem in the wrong car, can't
find them, or you know they'rewith my gloves that I can't find
, you know.
And then I'm riding with nogloves and no glasses, so I've
just gotten used to not doingthem.
But man, lately, uh, we were,we were preparing for this
podcast and I'm doing notes onthe tires and Lacey is like how

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can you even see your phone?
And I can't.
it's a blurry mess, so I'm goingto have to call Robin and talk
to him about a pair of glasses.

So yeah, they have readers.
They also have two differentstyles.
They have the Huxon and theHuxon XL.
Yeah, so if you're a big boy,you can run the XL.
I am a big boy.
Maybe I don't have a big face,not sure but I ride the normal
Huxons and they work outstandingfor me.
But you can call them andthey've got, like I said,
amazing customer service.

I just want some clear ones so
the bugs don't hit me in theeyes.
Yeah, and I have a littleprotection because every once in
a while I'll be behind somebodyand rocks will kick up or
something like that, like thelittle debris we were riding
Sunrise a couple weeks ago.

Which is a bike park in northern
Arizona, in Arizona.

So chairlift riding.
So that's one more product thatI'm going to talk about real
quick.
So, uh, we're in sunrise andit's super powdery was where I
was going with that, and so itwas a dust wait, there was snow
no, no, it felt like it.
There was a good layer ofpowder on the ground, but it was
dust, right so, and it was likemoon dust.

So it's just and this was early
summer in arizona, where wehaven't had the monsoons come in
with the rain yet.

So that's expected, it's super dry
.
So the next product I'm goingto talk about is a product that
we didn't buy.
Um, I just get to test and useand one of our listeners
actually is letting me borrow itso I can try it out and it is
the frameworks so I built up theframeworks downhill frame, so
size medium is.

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This is, uh, not the mostcurrent version, it's the one
before, so they've done a tinybit of tweaking on the new
framework is nico's company andnico malali, yep and so, and
that's also one of the ones thatthe faction bike studio, who
we've done podcasts with, hashelped develop, and so this
bike's pretty sweet, it's um uh.
It has a mullet 27.5 rear andmade it to a 29 front.

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I'm running fox 40 on the frontand a fox dhx2 coil so that's,
that's a double crown on thefront yep, yep, okay, yeah, and
uh see, I built it up with a setof Guru carbon wheels.
So custom carbon wheels andGuru is your specific brand.
Yeah, our brand of wheels, andthey're the DH rated ones, so

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I'm testing those.
At the same time, I'll tell youabout the review of this bike.
So one cool thing is I pull upin the Sunrise parking lot and
unload the bikes and the firstthing is somebody comes up and
goes is that a frameworks?
So that was pretty cool.
So it's a famous, famous bike.
If you're paying attention todownhill bikes, so, just this

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last weekend, on this littletimestamp, when we're recording
this, Asa who rides for Nicojust won the hard line line oh
did he get asa one, yeah, yeahand so uh on that bike, and so
it's pretty cool to see the bikethat I'm riding.
Now I'm not doing it justice,you know, I'm definitely not
doing no, you don't even standup.

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Yeah, no, I don't so um, sofirst ride review is I wrote it
sunrise.
Sunrise has, um, they have acouple greens, but they have
pretty nasty terrain, yeah, andso on the smooth stuff, it felt
good.
Uh the uh suspension.
I took a couple runs to set upthe suspension, but it's just
fox stuff, so there's nothingreally crazy in setting up the

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suspension.
It's a four bar.

We should put it in context.
You are an expert in suspension, so for you it was easy so.

So my point is I got the
suspension set up pretty easily.
Yep, uh, so that that wasn't afactor.
Yep, so I could really test howthe frame fell.
I tried to.
I'm trying to trying to compareit to my pivot 29.
So I have a phoenix 29, uh,front and rear 29 carbon bike.
Amazingly enough, my carbonbike has got dvo front and rear

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suspension with carbon wheels,carbon cranks and xodh group on
it.
Yep, and it weighs around 36pounds.
For my downhill bike, my endurofirebird weighs 36 pounds.
The frameworks frame is allaluminum front end with a carbon

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rear end and an aluminum rocker, uh, a coil over and the triple
clamp.
Fox.
Guess how much that bikeweighed?
38 pounds, 36 pounds.
Wow, I couldn't believe it.
So, lifting the frame by itself, it felt pretty substantial,
like downright heavy.
I was like kind of bummed thatit was heavy and I was like, wow

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, that's okay, I get to ride it.
I'm not buying it, I'll just,you know, no big deal.
The finished product came outthe same way as my carbon fiber
it's interesting.
Yeah, I was really surprised.
Uh, they're both size medium,is it really?
Apples to apples with thecomponent group um, so on the
now I did slap the frameworkstogether with stuff lying around

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.
So on my so it's funny cause onmy Phoenix I've got carbon bars
and I'm running, I think, guideRSC or guide ultimate brakes.
I'm a notorious under breaker.
I don't need big brakes on mybikes, Cause you don't break.

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Yeah, I try not to Um.
My wheel set on the Phoenix isI nine hubs with guru rims.
And the guru rims are prettylight but they're the downhill
rated ones, so they're probably400 grams a piece.
Uh, for the rims themselvesbefore the wheel, so probably
around 1800 gram wheel set andcarbon xodh cranks.

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So they're carbon but they'renot super light.
Uh, ally c post, uh coil overdvo and then DVO Onyx DC front
fork, so not the lightest forkon the market.
And then the XO group is aseven speed.
So it's like this tiny littleXO SRAM downhill group.

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It's got seven speeds andthey're all tight, so there's no
climbing gears On theframeworks.
I built it up with the fox 40,the dh coil and I have the
custom guru wheels.
So I have guru wheels on thattoo.
So that should be a wash allthe ones.

Uh access drivetrain with a full 10
, 52 cassette you got batterieson the yeah, you got batteries
on the phoenix and no, no,that's batteries on the
frameworks yeah, so I feel likethat's even heavier.

This doesn't make any sense.
I know it doesn't make sensewhy it's lighter.
I'm trying to think.
So on both bikes I havevittoria.
Uh, so I have vittoria on bothbikes martellos and maza combos
I'm questioning your weighingprotocol at this point and I
weighed them right next to eachother and took pictures.
So I have proof, I don't knowso now, both were without pedals

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of course always.
We don't weigh anything withoutwith pedals and I'm trying to
think I do have a carbon bar.
I have a carbon envy bar on theframeworks and it's alloy bar
on the downhill bike or on theuh pivot.
So, yeah, I can't I, I justdon't feel like so.
One thing about this frameworksframe is, um, it's welded up by

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a guy, uh, frank the welder, sohe's a really cool guy yeah,
we've talked about him beforeyeah, he's.
Uh.
In fact I started following himon socials and it's fun because
he is just cranking out frames.
I forgot who he's working fornow, but he does.
He's like the hired gun ofwelding aluminum.
Right, so so I know that theframe is not sloppy, which means

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it doesn't have a lot of excess.
Yeah On it, and so I bet youthat aluminum frame, as strong
as it is, doesn't have a ton ofextra weight on it.
And then it's got a carbonfiber rear end, which I don't
know much about.
I'd love to ask Nico about.

That's got a carbon fiber rear end
which I don't know much about.
I'd love to ask nico aboutthat's an interesting idea.
I mean I've always thought thatbecause the rear ends are so
fragile, yeah, like why wouldyou do carbon fiber on?

the rear end.
I think it's weight versusstiffness.
You can make it stiffer yeahengineering carbon, you can get
a lot of characteristics.
Um, interesting, yeah, I'm.
I'm not 100 sure.
So um, one's a horse bar,one's's a DW link.
So back to the ride.
So powdery conditions, prettyloose, you know.

You're back at sun.
You've taken us all the wayback from this comparison of
weights to sunrise bike park inNorthern Arizona.

Yeah , first couple of runs were
pretty good and I was able tojust get right on the bike, like
, feel pretty comfortable.
The frameworks, yeah, ridequality, it was pretty bottom
bottomless.
So as we progressed through theday and went from, like you
know, the greens to the blues,to the blacks, and then there's
a pretty big jump from the bluesto the blacks at sunrise,
they're pretty, pretty nasty.
They're not like necessarilylike big, huge road gaps or

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anything, they're just as chunky, chunky and steep and.
And so there's one of thetrails that most of the time
they race on called sticks andstones.
So we did a sticks and stonesand that intersects with the
trail called world cup, and thenI forgot which trail we ended
up finishing out on.
That's a pretty substantial run.
They raced the downhill last.
I mean they have one of the bigmountain Enduros there at

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sunrise and they have somedownhills going on there now too
, and so the bike did reallywell.
What I was really happy with ison those steep sections where
there was a drop in the middleof the steep.
So you're already at a steepangle and then there's a drop.
I never felt too far over thefront, like I didn't feel… the
wheelbase.
I think I was pretty centeredover the back.

(53:19):
The seat tube on this thing isreally, really, really steep and
you think that I don't everstand up on a bike.
I know you do, I'm just jokingon a downhill bike I never sit
down like because the seat's notwhere I want it, you know it's
it's like way too far forward.
I'm standing the whole time.
Um, I didn't ever feel like Iwas going to get trapped by the
tire and the seat, even thoughit was really forward.

(53:41):
Uh, I never felt a bottom out,which was nice.
Uh, so cause I'm a big guy andI didn't change the spring from
the guy who loaned it to me, soyou're not a big guy Uh, I'm,
I'm bigger than my height, Okay,yeah.

Let's put it that way yeah, so you
carry a little more mass thanthe average person.
I'm stocky, you're stocky.
Yeah, so you're looking goodman.
Did you lose some weight, bythe way?

I was going to ask you that I
stopped eating.
Okay, that's good.
Yeah, you should, you shouldstop.

You should definitely not eat.
Just don't, yeah, just don'teat.

I found that.
So I was really amazed on howwell it pedaled.
Like you know, that's notusually something that they
focus on on a downhill bike, butthis thing, when you want to
put down the power and sprint,it goes.
You know there's no likebobbing and lagging, you know it

(54:32):
just pedals really really well.
The super smooth, verybottomless on big stuff Jumps.
I felt really I don't get hugeair, like I said, I speed jump
mostly, but I felt prettyconfident in the air.
Um, all in all, it was likejust kind of you could tell it's
a world cup level bike when youget on it.
It's not.

(54:52):
There was nothing that thatbike couldn't handle, that I was
willing to do.

So I'm looking on frameworks website
right now just to give our ifthere's anybody that heard that
you know explanation, and theydefinitely want to have one it
looks like the frame.
They just sell frame Yep, justframe and they have a DH frame
and Enduro frame.
It looks like the Enduro frameis not available or they're
working on making it available.
They don't have any availableright now, but the how much do

(55:18):
you think the downhill framecosts?

I know it costs 4,500.

It's 39.
It's 38, 99 right now.
Is that a sale Does?

it , say that it's sale 38 99 on
their website right now.
Originally 45.

Of course they only have large
available today.
Oh, okay, yeah, no mediums,yeah.

So so I'm really lucky that one of
our listeners actually isletting me use this thing.
So now my negative feedback sofar oh yeah, the only thing that
there's two things thathappened on the bike that I
didn't like.
That I can't super explain,Like I don't a hundred percent
know what's going on, but we'regoing to put a a different rear

(55:58):
wheel on the bike and try itagain.

And the.

O chain thing, it's yeah, so I
have a pedal kickback yeah, Iwas getting some chatter in the
roughest sections, almost towhere my feet were getting
kicked off the pedals and themost the the aha moment is what
I realized is you know,somebody's like, oh, you need an
o-chain, and then I realizedthat the hub that's on this
wheel set that I put on the bikeis an onyx, and onyx has a kind

(56:24):
of instant engagement um,they're a silent.
They're really cool becausethey're silent.
It's something that I don'tcare at all about, but I've sold
them to customers because theywant this silent experience when
they stop pedaling.
They don't want to hear theratchet yeah, exactly I love the
ratchet.
I do too, you know um, I didn'tnotice it as being something I
was really excited about rightso, um, but that onyx is instant

(56:46):
, so we're going to take it tosunrise, not this coming weekend
, but the following, and we'regoing to try it with a low
engagement hub, which means kindof a low end.
I think I got a dt swiss uhwith like an 18 tooth or 18
degree or whatever it is.
I think it's 18 tooth, yep, um,drivering in it, and that

(57:07):
should give me a differentexperience enough play.

Yeah, you're not experiencing the,
because that's an interestingthing the, the pedal kickback
happens less when you have a lowengagement hub.
Yeah, yeah.

Yeah , and so we're going to try that
first Cause I don't want to buya no chain and I don't want to
buy a a side.
Whatever FSA has, this new hubthat does the similar thing.
This is a thing on the worldcup that they're trying to work
on, where the rear end, as itmoves, it doesn't yank your,
your your chain and you know.
On on the same note, your feetdoesn't isolate or stop the

(57:40):
suspension from moving smooth.

Josh "Magellan" Anders (57:41):
Couldn't you also just turn your clutch
off?

I don't have a clutch, or or oh
no, yeah, no On that one.
It's not got a switch, it'stram.

Okay, but it's still.

it's still got a clutch but it's not
the clutch doing it, it's thetop of the chain.
Ah, oh okay, so it's notnecessarily the bottom of the
chain because the cage wouldgive it some movement.
It's the top of the chain, sowe'll see if this low engagement
gives me a different experience.
The other thing that I noticedis it's a mullet bike and riding
it with a smaller rear wheel,I've ridden mullets before and

(58:14):
not had this kind of sensation.
But in some of the bigger bermswhere I really just carried
speed and I would hit that berm,it really felt squirrely,
almost like the rear wheel wassliding up the berm and I'm not
a hundred percent sure what wasgoing on.
So I think with the differentwheel I'm also going to put a
different tire on.

What did you have in the back?
I had a.

Martello .
But I had a pretty clapped outMartello, Because again I kind
of threw this together.

Yeah, you just pieced together with
what you got right.

So I think I'm going to put a
fresher tire on the back andjust make sure it's not just a
grip thing.
See if it's the size, becauseI'm used to riding 29s in the
rear and it shouldn't make adifference.
But I just want to make sure,because we're going to go back
to the same trails, right thesame trails, with a different
wheel and a different tire.
See if we get a different superinteresting for the whole time

(59:07):
I've known you.

I've known that you're someone that
likes the big thing in the inthe rear end.

Yeah , yeah, that's what they said,
that's what she said, somethinglike that.

All right.
Well, I had this whole list oflike 10 bike shop secret
questions to ask you.

But , bro, we are freaking out of
time well, I'm glad we did thisand I really hope if people
enjoy this episode, yeah let usknow, because because I don't
think you guys want to hearabout products like this.

Yeah, you may hate this.
Dane thinks you do.
Yeah, let us know who's right.

Yeah , and then, if you guys say dane
, or, if there's, if there's aproduct that you want to hear
about.
If you're tired of hearingabout downhill bikes and you
want to hear about gravel bikesor road bikes, you're listening
to the wrong podcast, but gravelbikes we could talk about it.
We could.
Yeah, that's for sure.

So because that's just mountain
biking?
Yeah, Lacey says, cause I loveriding my on trails.
She says I'm transitioning atthe point I probably shouldn't
say that on the podcast.

I'm transitioning to a road biker.
You know it's okay to be abicyclist.
A bicyclist, yeah.

Josh "Magellan" Anderson (01:00:06):
No judgment whatsoever.
I love my gravel bike.
I don't care who knows it.
I love my cross-country bike,my downhill bike I don't have a
downhill bike.
My downcountry bike, my endurobike.
I love all of them.
Yes, um, you got any finalthoughts for our listeners,
buddy?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" Hi (01:00:18):
I think that's it.
Uh, hopefully everybody goesout and rides their bike ride
your fucking bike can you dig it?

Josh "Magellan" Anderson (01:00:43):
can you dig it?

Dane "The Suspension Guru" (01:00:46):
Can you dig it?
Can you dig it Bye?

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