Burn After Reading (2008) w/ Caleb from Kill The Computer & 60 Minute Drill

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Hello and welcome to movie part of the podcast.
What movies? I'm your host Brian Wishart and
this week I'm joined by Caleb AKBird Respecter.
He is the former Co host of the Western Kabuki podcast and the
current host of the podcast Killthe Computer and 16 minute
Trail. How are you doing, Caleb?
Doing great. Thanks for.
Having me no problem at all. So this week are we discussing
Joel and Ethan Cohen 2008 film Burn After Reading.

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So First off, what's your experience with better reading?
You're the one that suggested this movie for this podcast.
Um. You know, I'd seen it when I was
a kid. It was a little bit before I
really cared too much about movies, but I would say like it
kind of became special to me during the pandemic.
I think a lot of us like kind ofhad like a whatever reawakening,

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you know, to find a love for cinema or whatever when we're
looking for stuff to do because we're sitting around all day.
That was definitely my experience.
I went through and just kind of like went through directors I
liked and and just marathon to everything in the Coen brothers
had made during that point. And I kind of just felt like
there's a couple movies that just have like the template for
like the they're just perfect tocapitals for a moment in time.

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And I kind of felt like from there to then this kind of like
post COVID stupid fucking world.Can I swear on here?
Sorry, I didn't. Ask absolutely explicit, yeah.
Yeah, so just like this, the world we all live in, we live in
the Burn After Reading universe.Like that's what everything is
just like now. Yeah, yeah.

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So I was going behind the scenesof Branch readings just on the
DVD and spank as George Clooney has this comic Holly Branch or
reading is like it's like it's amovie about shockingly dumb
people in Washington, but it's not political.
And that comment alone feels like it's very like Bush era
because like this is a politicalmovie just because it is about

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inept intelligence agents. But it's not about like
Democrats versus Republicans, which is pretty much how like
Hollywood looks at what all politics.
Are yeah, this is like, you didn't have to care about
politics in the same way becauseTrump didn't exist yet, right?
But like exactly the fact that he like said that kind of proves
the underlying point of this movie where like you have two

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classes of people. And I'm not sorry if I'm jumping
around or whatever, but go to classes of people like the the
intelligentsia, the the thinkersthat are like everybody's
stupid, but they're like self important and obtuse.
And then you have like the working class Jim Dum Dums that
are like even more dumb, but at least have like tangible ends.
You know what I'm saying? So for for George Clooney, like,

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oh, this isn't political. It's kind of like, OK, well,
you're in a way so wrong that that could fit in this movie.
But also it is very much a movieof the 2000s of of the specific
era. Like, well, I find really fast
about this because like the Coenbrothers won best picture and
best director, best writer at the Oscars the previous year for
no country old man. And that's a movie that was like

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it's based on Cormac McCarthy book.
It's like a really profound work.
There's a lot to obviously say. And I feel like a lot of people
treated branch of reading as like if it's just like a dumb
basic comedy that like had nothing to offer.
And if you kind of feel like that's reputations kind of stuck
with it to this day. And I think people are kind of
wrong with this. Doesn't have anything really to
say. Yeah, well, they worked on those

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two movies simultaneously, so I could definitely see.
I don't know. I mean, obviously I don't know
if any insight to what they're creative processes like other
than what everybody else can read online or whatever.
But I think it's pretty obvious that there's like some
spillover. But it's kind of like, maybe,
you know, I guess what to say islike, this movie may not even be

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in their top ten, but to me it'slike #1 of the Coen brothers or
maybe any movie ever made, or atthe top with the best of them
for just bang or one liners. 100% yeah, also was like, I was
reading that apparently. So they wrote the same time as
No Control Men and they alternated each day for which
either writing other branch reading or no country old men.
So this is on their mind. We're doing No control men, and

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No control Man was on their minddoing branch reading.
Yeah. Which is like pretty nuts to
think about considering like howlike different these movies are.
And like what's pretty interesting about this too is
like there's honestly like not that much interesting about
house was really made like behind the scenes stuff in the
DVD is not that interesting overall.
And I was like, what the press circuit for leading up to this

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new. And basically I was like the
most impressive part of movies. Like they wrote the part for
every actor in mind except for Tillis win Tillis when they know
they're gonna cast. So like, they have like, Brad
Pitt in mind for his role in France for her role, John for
his role. But there's not really like
much, you know, I feel like theywere just like, you know, this
is the Coen brothers was kind offiring on all cylinders

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containing it back in the comedygroup because like a lady
killers was a dud and like intolerable Cruelty, no one
really liked. This is kind of the first, like
comic kind of people actually enjoyed since like, well, even
like Big Lebowski. This point had a bit of a
critical reappraisal, but it hasbeen a while since people
actually critics actually latched on to a Coen Brothers

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comedy. So what's your general
experience the Coen Brothers overall?
It was just the fact that you got into during the pandemic or
do you watch made them before? Yeah, I mean, obviously the the
big ones, oh brother, Where Art Thou?
Which I don't think is even their best work, but as one of
their more commercial. 6 I thinkit's I think Over is my favorite
comedy of theirs. It's.
I love that movie. Yeah, I mean, it's like picking

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a favorite child. You know, when I say it's like
not in their top, I mean, you could ask me tomorrow and it
could be completely different. It's just kind of how they how
just how great they are, you know?
Yeah, I mean, I'd see, I know that one of the more
commercially successful ones, mainstream wise, and I'd seen
that and obviously No Country for Old Men was a masterpiece

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and it was wonderful to see thatin theatres.
And it was just one of those movies.
I missed that one in the theatreI think.
I think Branch is actually the first one I saw in the theatre.
Gotcha. Yeah, but like, I hadn't seen,
you know, initially I didn't seen The Big Lebowski and
something about like the cult ofpersonality that formed around
the Coen brothers movies like almost isolated me from from

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enjoying them in a weird way that makes sense.
Like my friends would all quote The Big Lebowski and it was like
something I didn't get. So I was like, well, fuck you
guys. So I didn't actually like take,
you know, you know, again, I hadseen this one and as a kid as
well, but it wasn't like something that was near and dear
to my heart until later. Yeah, Big Lebowski is a movie
that like truly has a people love that movie to death.

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I'm I like it. Not great in my opinion.
I think it's like one of their lesser movies overall, but they
make great movies. Like it's so solid movie like
Jeff Bridges is a phenomenal movie.
But yeah, I totally get rich coming from where people it's
kind of off putting how people the the kind of the the culture
around that one movie because like it's like when you actually
go around to watch and I was like, oh, I was like, you know.

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It's not what I So I guess I should also say too, is, you
know, back in the day, dumbass Facebook conservatives would
post like the Walter meme of thegum.
I the only one around here who thinks blah, blah, blah.
And it was like, you know, I just assumed that that's what
the movie went was and not understanding that these people
didn't realize that Walter was making fun of them was just like

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very, very funny thing that justcompletely gets lost in the mix.
So that was another thing that just kind of kind of kept me
away from watching that movie. All those impact text memes from
Walter back in the day like. Or just people saying like, shut
the fuck up, Donnie. It's like, I don't understand
why that's funny. That's not funny, you know?
And then you see it's like, OK, actually that is funny.

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I get it. Yeah.
John Gibbons. So funny.
That's incredible. Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at the
rest of behind the scenes stuff.This movie, like there's truly
not that much really interestingat all.
Like, you know, there's bad for a lot of fun with them dressing
up. The actors is looking like
dumbasses too, because the way that Brad Pitt looks, this movie

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is phenomenal. And like, it's hard to Brad Pitt
look like a doofus. I'm sorry, but every time he
came on the screen I just started laughing like he was
Homer Simpson or something. Just absolute fucking master
class of just being a dope. They, I don't know, like the
Coen brothers, write morons likenobody ever has or probably ever

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will again. That's what I love about their
movies so much. And this is like, of all the
rubes that they have ever written, Brad Pitt's character
has to be at the top. Oh yeah, his character is so
good because he doesn't really have a character motivation at
all. He just kind of going with the
flow basically. Complete fucking idiot the whole
time. He's like the probably the
because like nobody in this movie is really good

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necessarily. Like, yeah, this isn't really
like a morally good or bad. This is ethically, ethically
grey movie. He's probably the best of them.
He's very funny because. He has no ideology, he has no
motivation, has no purpose. He's literally just trying to
help her out, help Linda out. Yeah, he's trying to be a good
guy to. Yeah, I yeah, like also like the

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costume designer really fun thing to say in the behind the
scenes where basically like she got the idea for Brad Pitt's
look in this movie, which is like everyone's probably seen
gifts of Brad Pitt in this movieonline and family that we're Jim
outfit like I'm in a weird suit.Him and the dance.
Yeah. And she said like she was
inspired, but he was like 1 bad commercial.

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He did did like background the time where his hair looked kind
of off and such. And she was like, I'm putting
that hair in the mood because your hair looks really fucking
awful. This is notice that you could
see his roots like through and through on that die job.
I was wondering with what going on with that.
That's funny. Yeah, and also with like, the
suit too, like, she's like, how do you make Brad Pitt look like
a complete doofus? And it was like a big struggle.

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Like, you gotta get the most illfitting suit possible for him
that, like, does not make him a handsome whatsoever.
It looks like he looks like a kid, like a eighth grade
graduation, Just like, yeah, youknow, this is the suit that my
mom bought me with the racks wascheap.
Yeah. Yeah.
And the only other big thing that really happened is movies
that Roger Deakins shot most of the Combos movies up to this

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point after he's like remain cinematographer at this point in
time, but he was committed to a Sam Mendes's Revolutionary Rd.
So Emmanuel Lubezki shot this movie.
He's the guy who works with them.
Alfonso Corona lot and injury toa lot.
So he's like gravity, the revenant Birdman like this maybe
just looks like a Coen brothers movie.

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So clearly Lubezki was just kindof just, you know, I'm working
with the coins. This is a Coen Brothers movie,
not a movie that's mine which islike the best way to come browse
movies work is like when they just feel like a Coen Brothers
movie. Yeah, and I had heard that they,
and I don't know how true this is, just you read on stuff
online that they don't actually like when they're writing, they

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have like scenes, but they pretty much just like have the
storyboard and then they work scene to scene.
So like all the, I would imaginepicking up on this as
cinematographer would be pretty simple because they already have
like everything storyboarded exactly how they want it to do.
Almost like when they were doing, um, I read some interview
that they had done about No Country for Old Men where they

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were like, it's just funny because when we were reading the
book, we're like, Yep, shot for shot, this is how we're gonna do
it. Cormack already wrote exactly
how we're going to do it. So it's funny to have like the
role reversed like that. Yeah, like they also like they
write their dialogue. So particularly to like like
Jeff Bridges, like all his arms and abs and the Big Lebowski

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performance are written into thescript.
It's not a lot of him like improvising, including some
really funny behind the scenes where like he like suggest some
of the Columbus, like what if I did this idea for this character
Harry in this movie? And then like I was like, Oh
yeah, sure, yeah, try and give that a shot and then they should
like he does it doesn't work outwell.
Clearly realizes that like Oh yeah, no show anything going
know exactly what to do with this dialogue.

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I just need to stick to the script.
Yeah. And I know that part of the
reason that they never worked with Nicolas Cage again was
because he, during Raising Arizona was like very particular
about like how he wanted to do things.
And he would, you know, the story goes, he'd get up at like
4:00 in the morning and just be honest treadmill reading the

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script. And he would like call them and
be like, I think we should do this and I think we should do
that. And it's like kind of probably a
very difficult confluence of personalities.
Yeah, cuz Nicolas Cage is so good and raising Arizona, he
feels like such a good fit for the Cohen brothers and what
they're kind of movies are. But like when it comes to a
professional working relationship, you can absolutely

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healthy would completely clash. And eventually it's just too
many cooks in the kitchen. I would imagine that was a
really, really difficult dynamic.
But yeah, it worked out fantastically.
But I could see what I would want to work with them again.
Yeah, and like, this movie has alot of regulars, too, like
George Clooney's regular FrancesMcdormand, Of course, she's
married to Joel Cohen. Yeah.
Like, this is the first one withBrad Pitt.

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This is the first one with John Malkovich.
I think it's still the only onesto stay with him in it and I
would think I think it be great to like have like Brad Pitt and
Coen Brothers weekend like this.He was really fucking good in
this month. 'S Richard Jenkins shockingly
was fucking killer in this and I've seen this movie a bunch of
times I but I was watching it obviously in preparation for

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this and I didn't really realizehow like low key good he was
until it was like a scene that I'd completely forgotten about.
And I know we'll get to this, but it's when he's when he's in
the bar with with Linda and they're talking about like, oh,
you know, some people would loveyou for just how you are.
And she goes, you mean losers? And he's like, well, I wasn't
always a loser. I did.

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I wasn't. I wasn't to manager of hard
bodies my whole life. And then he goes out to randomly
explain how he was like a Greek Orthodox.
Yeah. Used for for four years.
And shows a little photo. Dude, dude, the way that he's
like she's like, wow, that's a great job.
How did you lose that job? And the way he just kind of
forlornly says that's a long story, like complete masterpiece

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of just, again, one liners through the roof.
Because it gets so much history,you're never gonna get the rest
of the movie is you just know that this guy like, has some
deep dark pass. Yeah, something.
And they keep, like, the way he tells us.
I see, because he's clearly in love with this woman, too, and
she's shutting him down like, you know, like, oh, that's
great. Well, we'll get into it for
sure. Yeah.
Yeah. So she probably cracked in the

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movie right now. So movie opens up with the
Universal logo popping up and then, you know, after the title
cards for the production logos, we get a, I'm not sure, North
America and slowly zooms on the CIA headquarters.
And did you recognize this font?Hmm.
It's the same font as like, Oh, for the antipiracy wars.
Like, would you download a car? Would you steal a car?

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Like nice. The same font as that, which is
so funny, like so like. I'm await TIFF next week.
So we've already recorded the episode I'm putting them, which
is the American Pie and my friend never talked about
before. So I'll talk about it again too.
But that you wouldn't steal a car font that same font like

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because the whole anti piracy campaign and like you see in
front of a million DVD's like you watch like around that time
too. They didn't know that they
actually that font there. They didn't have the license to
use it. That's great.
So they actually stole the font for the you wouldn't download a
car. All those ads, I never heard
that before. Yeah, Excel, like it's the

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funniest every time I see that ad pop up or see it memed
online. I love it so much.
Let's try and come up with a logo for this podcast.
Like maybe should do like you wouldn't download a car font
there. But look, Movie Pod looks like
movie poo and that font, so I couldn't use it and not ideal,
you know? Yeah, so the map North America

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is slowly zooms in to see CIA headquarters in Langley,
Virginia. And in the headquarters Osborne
Cox enters Spears office. Cox is played by John Malkovich,
who is phenomenal of course. Yeah, the King.
Hmm. And so two other agents in his
office, his superior, Palmer, isthere, too.
And Cox is being taken off the Balkan assignments, the signals

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intelligence. And Malcolm is completely
shocked by this. He says, like, Palmer, with all
due respect, what the fuck are you talking about?
Why is also here? What the fuck is this?
I'm a great analyst. And they try to say like, yeah,
like your office because you have a drinking problem.
Like, he's livid because he's like, oh, this is an assault.
I don't have a drinking problem.Like, fuck you, Peck.
You're a Mormon next to you. We all have a drinking problem.

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So good. He's like, starts arguing, like,
Oh yeah, this is a crucifixion. This is political.
Like, you know, don't tell me not not.
That's like slams door and walksright the hell out of there.
And he gets home and like, immediately, he's fixing himself
a drink. Yeah, calm throughout the movie
and I'm not going to spoil anything with the end.
Speaking of Richard Jenkins, he has a drink in his hand during

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that scene at the end too, whichI thought was I didn't notice
that before. It's very funny, almost like a a
Trailer Park Boys Julian esque. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Yeah. Robin Cokes was in a trailer
park as well, right? Yeah, I've always like 2
episodes that show. I'm Canadian.
I spent a lot of time in Dartmouth myself.
I've never actually like watchedlike more like 2 Trailer park
boys. It's good enough.

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I gotta get around to it. I've actually met the Trailer
Park Boys. Really.
Yeah, they came to like universe, like Western
University campus one time, likepromoting one of their movies
and they're giving away burger. Is that like the student campus
there? And like, there's like giving
away free burgers and stuff likemeeting people and like, I like
got a photo with me with them, like on an old iPhone.
Like I cannot actually find the damn photo.

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But I've met like Julian Bubblesand the other.
Guy So they're just like, they're just like that in the
real life because that's what they would do in the show.
Just burgers. That's awesome.
Yeah, a weird circumstance. And like, I've shocked and I did
not watch show after actually met the guys.
Weird experience. Yeah.
So of course, matches, drinking at home and everything.
And his wife comes home. Katie Olsen, who's played with

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Tilda Swinton, and he's trying to tell her that he got fired
from work and she just, like, doesn't give a shit because
she's trying to set up this dinner party.
It's happening later that night.Hmm.
And he's like, oh, did pick up the cheeses And he's like, no, I
didn't pick up the cheese. I got something bigger happens
like, oh, why the fuck you not pick up the cheese?
So she's very pissed off about that.

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And then we cut to the dinner party itself and Malcolm, which
is a plate in his hand with all kinds of like crackers and
cheese on them. And George Clooney is a as
cherry farm is like looking at the plate there.
And he's like, he's like, oh, like, do any of these have like,
and this goat cheese have actuallike lactose in it?
Because like he has lactose reflux.

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Yeah, he keeps just making up, like, I don't know why they did
that. But he throughout the movie,
you'll notice he has various sensitivities and fake things
that he just says, which is while he's just mauling food.
It's very funny. And the best part is like, you
think it's going to pay off in the end or something has
happened a couple of times, but it never does.
So many things that are just completely like these, like

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checkoffs gun plot points that go nowhere, right, Except for
the gun, the checkoffs gun, which I mean.
We'll get to that for sure. That's the best part of the
movie. I thought that was a little on
the nose for sure. That's just one of those things.
They keep referencing it food allergies and such.
And also with Clooney as well, he's a Federal Marshall, so he

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brings up a lot of points. Like he has a gun on him all the
time, but he's never actually fired the gun ever. 20 years of
service, not a big deal, he keeps saying.
Which we find out is kind of bigdeal, you know?
So like, yeah, cleaning complaint was his lactose reflux
and stuff now which like yeah like that's not a thing so.
Yeah, there's a clean just devours aside this.
Cracker, his chewing and talking.

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I mean, like, that's obviously asimple trope, but he just nails
it. Just this crass, buffoonish
asshole while he's doing that. And then when Tilda Swanson
brings him or Katie Cox brings him into the kitchen, I don't
know what it was about it. It's just one of those things
that you that makes the coins these little 10811 offlines that

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make the cones brilliant is likehe keeps what what is it?
What kind of tile floor this? Is the wooden floorboards.
He loves the wooden. Floor Yeah, yeah, he keeps like
talking about like the house andhow nice it is as he's like
stealing this guy's wife basically, or kind of you know
what I'm saying it's like such apiece of shit genius throwaway

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line I. Don't know.
It's great. And like, overall, like,
Clooney's house is nicer than hehas, like a truly fallen house,
like Malkovich and Swing is living a brownstone apartment,
like, apartment there. Like, it's like, nice place too,
of course. But like, Clooney's weirdly
envious. But also I feel like Clooney's
characters wants to be interesting.
That's his thing is he wants to appear to be interesting, but

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he's not like, yeah, so he knowsthe floors are and such.
He knows them all like he has. He's like debilitating food
allergies, which he clearly doesnot have.
But he wants to eat the food. He wants to be seen as someone
who's, like, way more interesting than he is.
Clooney the Cohen said that between this movie Brother Where
art thou and Talbert cruelty. It's like the Idiots trilogy

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with George Clooney because theylove casting, was a complete
utter moron. And I love Clooney and Idiot
Modes so much. Like he's a good actor, but.
He's among the best when he's dumb.
Yeah, he plays so well because like, handsome, charming guy,
everything. But when he plays like a
complete imbecile, it's wonderful to witness.
He does something in this movie that both Brad Pitt does and in

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the biggest scene in the movie, but also a Francis Mcdorman does
really well that like, I don't know, this is this has just has
to be a Cohen thing. But the way that they have their
actors smile big fucking dopey smiles at key moments like
again, jumping towards the end and I apologize, but when he
asks who are you? Who are you?
I'm Lynda Litsky. She gives them that smile.

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It's just like, so God damn funny.
They know they're actors faces and how like actress can react
and make a scene complete and completely sell a scene.
Yo, yeah. So we know that Swinton clean
you're having an affair. Clooney is a happiness
marriages. He's married to his wife there
playing Elizabeth Marvel. She's a child's book author.

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They're clearly not unhappily reason whatsoever.
It's later that night Swinton Malkovich like they're about to
go to bed and everything and it's like I want to write a
memoir and Swinton laughs and I was like memoir.
Why did you want to do that? Like almost like his like
career. Life is so fucking useless and
think he looks told dejected. And the next day, he's on his

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boat and talking to his father. His father.
It's clear she's completely right but is an asshole for
saying it. Like that's kind of the whole
point of the movie is that his life is completely, totally
pointless. And we find out later on that
like even the CIA's, like, you know, this guy's not important
enough in the food chain to worry about whatever information
he has. So like, he thinks he's very
important there, but he's overall not.

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And what's also great too as we starts off like a male, which is
like such a great suits, but as the movie progresses, he gets
like more like schlubby attire. Overall he's like down to like
underwear and like a row by the end.
Still can't drink though. He's always got his drink
though. And so Mac, which on a boat with
his father and his father is like in a wheelchair.
He's like comatose pretty much. And like apparently father was

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awesome. The government as well and
Malkovich like Lamesa intelligence is different now
thanks to the Cold War being over.
So it creates A generational thing.
Whatever is going on in this Bush era intelligence service
like is not as like prominent. And he thinks that his memory
will be totally explosive and that there's a higher patriotism
and what he's doing as like if he's releasing a shitty book,

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he's on a complete war path right now.
And like I immediately thought about how like right now in
America every politician and journalist wants to release this
their own shitty ass book or something like that.
And was it Sean Spicer whose book like no one bought except
for like 4 journalists? So that's happened.
I've not thought about that guy in a minute.

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Sorry for bringing him up. Why the fuck did he write a
memoir? What?
What is his Twitter battles withDippin Dots?
Yeah, just. Like it's just like so like it's
you're right. It's maybe so telling of the
error where people actually think that like if they were to
like release a memoir is gonna be so devastating.
And everyone, everyone thinks their lives so important is

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gonna be a big seller. Like, you know, Kamala Harris
reading that book with how she lost an election, like pretty
much everyone who's even ran foroffice in America, It seems
like, oh, I wrote a book how I lost that.
No one likes me. And like no one buys the books.
No one, no one remembers these books after the first two weeks
after they come out. And like I think I think The

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thing is like there's in 2008, if a CIA operative dropped some
big bombshell thing about what he knew, that could be something
interesting. But like I think now, like what
kind of books are even break big.
It's like some like whose tell all story about their life in
American politics and American government would actually like
make a big splash and make an impact on the world.

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I just kinda feel like this is the the insane man who tried to
get like weapons of mass destruction, who shot at Trump
on a golf course could write hismemoir.
I don't think anyone would care.Like nobody, it's just, we're
just, nobody gives a fuck. It's funny because like 10 years
ago if that happened, someone absolutely buy that book
completely. But we live in such a different

(25:57):
time right now where it's just like it's so commonplace.
No one reads books anymore too. That's another big problem is
just the journalists who are writing about it and the people
who, like, are in their orbit are buying the books.
They're not actual bestsellers, right?
He want's character, Oz. He thinks he's, he's important
enough he can sell his book and like, do something important

(26:18):
with it. He's on a bit of a warpath
against C for getting fired. So Swinton's clearly pissed off.
So she's seeing a lawyer and thelawyer tells her to advise
getting all the financial information from Alphabet before
she leaves him. That's important because that
leads to the main incident of the movie.
So like Marquis recording his thoughts on recorder of his life

(26:38):
there. And it's like the most
uninteresting things ever. He clearly has nothing to offer
the world this book. He says that George Cannon is a
hero of his and he gets so boredat one point he starts watching
Family feud like he's not doing anything but righteous book or
talk with his book. And he's like blowing a full
day. The clock says like 4:50 PM.
So he starts drinking. So he makes up a rum and Coke

(26:59):
with lime. And so like we cut back.
Just tell us when and George Clooney they're hooking up on
the boat and soon returns home and Malcolm has written a note
saying that Princeton reunion dinner then note has seven
squeezed lime wedges around it. So he's been drinking hard.
Tonight I didn't notice that. It's good detail. 7 lines on the

(27:21):
paper around the note saying at the Prince Arena tonight and
he's at the Princeton reunion. Malkovich is like drinking more
booze too. And he's also like a chicken,
like leg and hand or chicken wing in hand, like singing along
like drunkenly with his Princeton buddies.
And so, yeah, he's asked Prison reunion and Swinton stars
gathering all the financial documents loaded onto blank

(27:43):
CD-R. It's funny this period of time
where like you weren't doing a USB drive because that wasn't as
common. So like, I love the tech of this
movie. It really a lot like it's not a
lot of cell phones, like cell phones really play a lot into
this movie at all. Yeah, it's, it's kind of strange
because this was released in what, 2008?

(28:04):
I kind of feel like USB drives were around then.
I definitely had USBS in high school, Yeah, when I was in high
school and we came out, yeah, but the Cdr.
Makes it he's, he's an older guy.
Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, old guys don't know how to
use tack. And we cut to a cosmetic surgeon
telling woman all the way she can reduce her fat and tighten
up her skin. This is Lynda Litsky, who played

(28:25):
by Frances Mcdormand, and she has like, no comments, physical
appearance. All which is her main plot of
the movie is that she is worked at a gym and she just has no
comments at all herself. And what's funny is like behind
the scenes Facebook comment something like oh, she read the
part. It was like all the self
deprecate. Like this is an awful part.
Like I was so hesitant to take this role because it's so self

(28:46):
deprecating. Like you're married to the
director and writer of the movie.
Of course it's taking the movie.Like.
What are you talking about? You know, there's a review of
Fargo by Matt Christman of ChapoTrap House that I always thought
was really good. One of the things you mentioned
in that is like how kind the Cohens were to Margie in that

(29:11):
movie. And this is completely
antithetical to that. This is one of, I mean, they're
often mean to their characters. I mean, like they write two
kinds of movies, really. It's like rubes and then like
somebody in some existential torment Nexus, right?
And this is kind of a synthesis of that.
But yeah, it's like it goes, goes from her.
I think those her most recent one with them was Fargo, right?

(29:34):
And then her next one was just awful to to her as an actress.
Now like, oh, she's so good in Fargo too.
What's so great? France Mcdormand.
This movie is like she's a beautiful woman, of course, but
she completely sells the fact she's in control her own skin
and her next like major, major rollout is movie is probably 3

(29:54):
billboards also have ebbing Missouri, which she wins the
Oscar for, and that's a movie where she's on a warpath.
So count her own skin and like she is just like she's a
fantastic. I cannot tell how great of an
actress she has varied. She can be in her roles, even
the Coen brothers, You're right.This is the one that they're the
cruelest tour in and she's stilllike gets a lot incredible

(30:16):
scenes, a lot of incredible dialogue and it works.
The fact that she can sell, the fact that she is clearly still a
beautiful woman. Richard Jenkins also is always
going on about like, oh, you look great.
You don't change anything about you.
But yeah, and she's just able tocompletely nail the fact that
she is like totally insecure. Yeah.

(30:36):
So the surgeon overall wants to do 4 procedures to tackle
everything she wants done. Like she wants like a breast
implant look like a butt lift orsomething, a crows feet
reduction. This gives adding more and more
to this poor woman who like so like she's this guy's milking
her for everything she wants. Like to the point was like, oh,
you have a vaccine scar on your arm there.
Let's get trying to get that removed.

(30:56):
So poor woman and so we then getto Linda work so at hard hard
bodies gym and Kirk coworker is a Chad.
Chad fell behind her, played with Brad Pitt and he is just so
fucking incredible in this movie.
Yeah, I mean not to jump ahead the the the closet scene.

(31:17):
The closet scene. It's one of the best scenes in
any Cohen Brothers movie, I think, and I understand that it
had to happen, and it had to happen when it happened.
I just wish we would have gottena little bit more of Chad
before. But I guess it's always better
to leave people wanting more than to be overexposed, you know
what I mean? Yeah.
Yeah, I mean, just genuinely, I every time I even just see him,

(31:40):
whatever throwaway lines it was,I don't know what it was when
he, Linda was on the online dating website and she pulls up
that first guy that she goes outwith and he just goes State
Department, That's cool or whatever.
Just like everything that he says.
He's just such a fucking boy. It's so good.
Yeah, so the the website they goto be with medc.com, which is so

(32:03):
fucking funny. Like, I was too young to be
using data to this point in time, but like, regional dating
sites is such a funny. Yeah, I guess especially now,
like where everyone has like Tinder, Bumble or something to
like, you know, find their localpeople.
And what's great with Frances Mcdormand seems like she's a
she's going through this dating site here, but she's extremely
shallow. What she's looking for to like

(32:24):
she's got all these guys receiving Carolines losers and
everything. Yeah.
I think Brad Pitt makes comic shot mrloser.com.
And then Chassis is the one guy who's like in a suit there.
And like she was like, oh, you gotta go for this guy here
because like, he's like has a suit.
So he must be very fancy and nice and Lindas like his hair
plugs. So like, I don't like that.

(32:45):
Like you're trying to go throughcosmetic surgery yourself.
So she's a shallow person himself, despite the fact like,
she's just deeply insecure as a human being.
Like, and sure, that's her tragedy as a person is that
she's very deeply insecure. And like, she projects that upon
everyone she wants to date. She's trying to get her surgery
done, but she's on the phone. The insurance company, they're

(33:05):
not going to cover it because it's all like it's not essential
procedures because it's plastic surgery.
She's once looked better and sheargues like always my public
facing job, so like I have to look good for it.
And as this is happening, like she's clearly upset on the phone
and we get introduced to Ted, who's played with Richard
Jenkins, and he's clearly a crush on her as her boss.

(33:26):
And he's a feels so sorry for her because like he thinks she's
absolutely beautiful and she thinks she's a complete hideous
wreck the whole. Time.
Yeah, It's hard to watch, frankly.
It really is, yeah. She goes on a date with some
guy, She goes on the website andhe looks like just some guy.
It's like it's just like some guy with glasses.

(33:46):
Middle-aged man there, moderately handsome, and they
gonna date to see some. Terrible sex scene, by the way.
Oh. It's the most most like no
chemistry at all, the most dispassionate missionary sex
ever put to cinema. It's so like no other were
really that. Into it.
It's remarkable how bad it is, which obviously it's the point,
but it's just like, God damn, that was hard to watch.

(34:09):
So on their date too before theyhave sex there they go on a date
to see a movie called Coming Up Daisy which is a fictional
movie. This movie stars allegedly
Claire Danes and Brent Moroni, the poster says, based on a book
by Cormac McCarthy. I didn't realize that in the
movie it's like very obviously like a a rubbish comedy.

(34:30):
Yeah, which is very funny. I didn't catch that.
That's. Good OHT is it's like it's just
like you see, like Derma Roney standing on the ground there
talk to a woman and he was stuckin the trees like you better get
down from that tree there and wesee them.
Heard of that? You gotta come down.
She just laughs. And that is good.
It's so funny. And this scene, this fake movie,
was directed by Sam Raimi. Oh, he's like he's a friend of

(34:54):
the Cohens, isn't? He.
Yeah. Like they did really crime wave
together. And.
Yeah. And like, we get to Clooney and
Swinton. They're talking about divorcing
their spouses. And Clooney doesn't seem that
enthusiastic with divorcing his wife for tell us when he just
wants to leave his relationship in general.
Then we cut to George Clooney. He's at a hardware store and.

(35:14):
We don't always up here. And he's like buying pipes and
other materials to bring home toorganize basement welding things
together. And this is an incredible plot
line, as you have noted. The fuck he's working on and
like it's like he's such a bizarre character, but like you
wonder like is it like some likeis he turning his government or
not? Is he like trying to flip on

(35:36):
something? But it the, the way it pays out
is absolutely incredible. So like at this point, all the
carriers are established, piecesare in place.
So now we get to the meat of themovie, which is where the gym
employees find a Cdr on the floor of the ladies locker room
at Hard Bodies. And Brad Pitt is like scrolling
through his computer. Absolutely 0 concept of what

(35:58):
he's looking at, but confident that he's on to something.
So this is like where the movie kind of turns in to me, like
when you ask him moving wanted to do, it's this.
Everybody is like looking at things above them and they're
just confident that they have some idea of what is going on.
And they shape their actions andtheir identities and everything

(36:19):
about themselves around these completely and totally skewed
perceptions of like what the government is doing right?
Something so banal and yeah. So like Brad's like, Oh yeah,
signs mean code. We got a lot of code here, lot
of financial data here, Numbers and dates, numbers and dates,
dates and numbers and numbers. And I don't know, that's the

(36:39):
shit, man. Good dude.
Sells it so well cause like he has nobody was looking at all
but he thinks he's found the most important thing world like
and like Jack is like I don't know posting lost and found
someone lost see you there like oh hello damn loser secret CIA
shit like of course not gonna beable to actually gives
information back to anyone at all and so like they they they

(37:03):
try to think of ways like marketthis because like you know Ted
won't give Linda advancement salary there she wants casual
surgery and here's the great barscene where Ted played by
Richard Jenkins is like telling me how beautiful she is how
beautiful Frances Mcdormand is and gives like the weird like
passive like him being a former Greek Orthodox priest and
everything and she just says like I've gone about as far as I

(37:27):
can with this body and he's likethe way she.
Says that is very funny too. It's sad, obviously, but.
Yeah. The tone with which she says
that, the confidence in which she is so stupid about it, is
just very funny. And like he's like, well, it's
not a phony baloney Hollywood body.
She's like, that's right, Ted. I'd be laughed out of Hollywood.

(37:49):
And. Like so this is going great.
Like I got this gut that swings in front like a shopping cart
with a bent wheel. It was like, oh, come on, Like
please be kind to yourself. You really wish you was kind of
nicer to yourself. But like she's like but.
Kind of goes back to that scene with the surgeon too, where like
he's like got the calipers out or whatever and it's like she's

(38:11):
not, she does not have a bad body whatsoever at all.
Yeah, and he's, but he's like really feeling into the
insecurity there, too. One thing about me too is like,
you don't really see Francis McCormick comparing yourself to
other women directly because like, it's like she's looking at
photos online or anything like that.
It's all her deep internal insecurity.
She's never like, you know, likedoing a female gaze type thing,

(38:33):
looking at women in the party, like all wishing I could look
like this, like, you know, I guess 2008, like Kate Upton or
something like that. It's just really just her just
feeling deeply personally insecure with the way she looks.
Yeah. So Richard Jenkins is great
line. But like, you know, there's a
lot of guys who would like you just the way you are.
And she responds like, yeah, losers.
And he's like, fucking yeah. Deflates.

(38:56):
It's what a what an actor, what a scene.
Like he doesn't have very much time in this movie.
It's two really big scenes, 1 towards the end obviously, but I
don't know, he just kind of steals the show in a low key way
of how funny and good he is. Yeah, like that's this is a
short movie too, but you can feel like this could be about

(39:17):
like 1/2 hour longer and still be very good movie.
But another one the best of the numbers.
I think Combo is like the longest maybe.
I think it's like no country like 2 hours and 2 minutes.
Yeah, there was a 90 minute heater, dude.
Yeah, Oh God. So I saw Honey Don't earlier
tonight, the new Ethan Cohen movie.
Not heard good things unfortunately.
It's it's bad, Yeah. Like it's probably the worst

(39:40):
Colin thing I've seen to this point.
It some it's. Surprising.
Wanted to do something with his wife and they're, yeah, fun.
But it's like, come on, man. But he did Driveway Dolls was a
lot more fun. I came a couple years back.
That was kind of a fun movie. This one is less fun trying more
of a pulp. You're like 70s, like, you know,
detective into war thing. But it's just so boring.

(40:01):
It's the problem. Like we see the column browser
get back together. I love to make a number again,
like I love Buster Scruggs. That was a great movie.
That's the last one they did. Yeah, I didn't really like the
Was it Macbeth that Joel did? That and man who wasn't there.
The only con Bros I've not seen.I check out the big bath.

(40:21):
One, I mean, it's not bad or anything.
I was, I think, you know, that was like, I think they announced
that like it was stalled becauseof COVID.
So like I had just gone through everything.
I was like, you know, let's I'm super excited for another Coen
brothers, even though it's just Joel and I just, I don't know,
maybe I need to revisit that. Maybe I'm gonna, I'm gonna
officially rescind that opinion until I watch it again.
But it did underwhelm me pretty significantly.

(40:42):
I just wanna see Denzel is Macbeth because Denzel
Washington like one of the best actors out.
There. Yeah, yeah, this kind of feels
like they're, you know, they drew inspiration from a lot of
these kind of older movies and now it just kind of seems like
they're trying to remake them outright.
At least Ethan is with. Yeah, I just, I just don't know,
like even this movie was based off of some old 60s movie or

(41:05):
something that I was reading about this just to try and find
something interesting to say forthe show or something.
But it was like a called affirming consent, some movie
from 62 that I've never seen. But apparently they like tried
to do a shot for shot remake of it with their friends when they
were kids so. Oh yeah, they mentioned in the
scenes like 16mm camera and stuff later trying to do some

(41:27):
sort of spy thing then, yeah. Yeah, that's what it what it is.
And this was supposed to be kindof based on that, but just kind
of screwball shaggy dogs within shaggy dog stories, you know?
And like they also like say thatlike this is them trying to like
Tony Scott like kind of movie aswell as like Jason Bourne kind
of movie, which is truly if you wanted a Jason Bourne movie,

(41:49):
this is exactly what it would be.
Yeah, absolutely. So we cut to Linda in bed and
she's woken up by Chad calling her and so go to the apartment
hallway and sees Chad running down the hallway.
He's yelling Oh my God, Oh my God.
He's carrying a bike wheel and ahelmet like he does not trust
anyone. He doesn't want anyone to steal

(42:10):
his bike at all. He loves his bike so.
Much. Yeah, and so Chaz found his guy.
Is he selling a fucking doofus? Is that one popular give with
the human? The red like red shirt there,
those white earbuds and just like like party boy.
Yeah, I love my favorite line from the scene is when he's
like, again, just another complete throwaway when he's

(42:32):
like, do you have any? Do you have any water?
I need to hydrate and Lindas like just tap water.
He turns her eyes. Are you serious?
The way that he said that just kills me.
Dude. He's.
Like the Maryland swamp water? Yeah, so good.
And then he ends up getting an orange juice like again, just
like a boy. Yeah, he plays the part like

(42:54):
he's like a 5 year old boy. He's like his parents are
disappointed in him. Brad Pitt is phenomenal.
I think Brad Pitt is the MVP is really, truly like, he's just so
fucking funny in this. So good.
This scene in particular is, I think has someone because that
there's that. Then there's another line that
we get to in a second. I'm sure that just makes me
laugh so hard. So you celebrate because he

(43:15):
found out who this guy is. So the secret, the secret guy,
as he calls him the documents isOsborne, Cox, John Malkovich.
He he thinks he's a high up in the CIA due due to the quality
of the intelligence. It's like, you know what the
fuck you're talking about, how you know what the quality of the
telligence is. Yeah, and I'm great because it

(43:36):
just goes to show that Osborne Cox's life really is not hike.
There's nothing remarkable aboutit whatsoever.
Not at all. And so Chad says he has a friend
who helps him set up computers and program VCR's for people and
shit and 2008 programming VCR like fucking hell.

(43:58):
And so this friend found a digital watermark, found out his
name is Osborne Cox. So Chad suggests suggest such.
Chad suggests asking Cox for reward as a Good Samaritan tax.
And Linda's like, yeah, sure, why not do it.
So chat makes the phone call to Osborne Cox and build the night.
I'm a Good Samaritan. I'm sorry I'm calling it such an

(44:20):
hour. I thought you would be worried
about about the security of yourshit.
Your shit. That line right there.
So fucking funny. Yeah.
And we hear like, Malkovich, like, kind of like, who are you?
Why are you calling me? Everything which has like, no
documents are sensitive. And the way Chad keeps saying
Osborne Cox, Osborne Cox over, like, saying the full name

(44:42):
because he thinks he's figured out some deep, deep, dark,
secret information. Like his intimidating him or
something. So like, I know these documents
are sensitive. Yes.
Hello, this is Osborne Cox. Who the fuck are you and Chad
goes on about something about how like you know, some breach
of Belgrave was a you know, somesort of butcher or something

(45:03):
like that, but Chad's freaking out.
I really tiny piece of paper too, like Chagall is all really
important notes. Please write it down like, you
know, like a business card almost size piece of paper and
now which rips on chat for pronounced report.
Yeah. Like you.
Oz Like Oz, John Myers knows he's doing a complete fucking

(45:24):
idiot. And so we cut to John Malkovich
and bet on the phone there, tellus when it's waking up and
wonder what the hell is going on.
And like, she's just like, so good at playing in the
background is like, what the fuck is that guy woken up for?
And Chad's like, yeah, yeah, this is a major inconvenience
for us, so we thought we could get a reward.

(45:44):
And like Oz is like someone like, you want money for this?
Like charges like ohhhhh. Yeah, well, why not?
Like I might have line here. Linda starts like she doesn't in
the phone. She starts yelling back at Aus
too. Like it we'll call you back with
our demands. And she's like, oh, I'm so
sorry. And hangs up like.
He's such a. Fucking idiot.
They're completely over their heads, which is such a Cohen

(46:07):
brothers thing to do. It's just like a little on Moss
and no control men just like thinking they know what the hell
is going on like completing oblivious to the.
Yeah, it's like if you put George Clooney's character and O
Brother, Where Art Thou in No Country for Old Men.
Yeah, it's fantastic. Like it's just like the cobras

(46:28):
are perfect in this mode. And this is like it's funny
because like no control men and brethren seem like they could be
such different movies, but they really are very extremely
similar movies. Like they're belly desperate
people the other day. And like it even has the final
monologue at the end, which is just like, which we'll get to
that, which is just an absolutely phenomenally final
sequence. Oz tells when there's some

(46:49):
classes memoirs. She's confused what the fucks
going on. And she says why in God's name
would anyone think it's that's worth anything?
So like, their marriage is fucking off their rocker too.
Like they're completely miserable.
She's clearly finally divorced there.
He's not fully aware how cooked their marriage is.
And, um, C so we get to George Clooney's big part plot of the

(47:12):
movie where his wife leaving fora book tour, he's left his own
mysterious contraption at home there.
We see him, you know, occasionally in his basement
there, like welding things, getting things together for one
thing, you know, what the hell it is.
We also see some cars in the streets there.
He thinks he's being followed. He's paranoid.
We see the car kind of gets out goes the other way there.
So with us he Swinton meet her lawyer again.

(47:36):
The lawyer asked secretary for financial documents on Mac fish.
She checks her hard bodies gym bag so that and finds out that
the seed is gone. So we figured out that it's like
the lawyers, assistant or secretary or paralegal or
whatever, who has lost the documents, lost the CD, and it's
like no big deal because it was like getting a copy of Thing
Peter. Right.
And yeah, transmit Gorman is going to date again.

(47:57):
She's trying to park by Washington Monument.
So the guy she's on saying stuffon date with is as Harry, who's
George Clooney there and the Golden State, which is
incredible chemistry compared tothe previous date there.
And he has, again, the great line where it's like, Oh yeah,
like they're eating food like some like Japanese restaurant
like this is. Does this have show food in it?
Yeah, well, it's the same 2 lines that he has in at the

(48:20):
dinner scene where he does, he has he makes up a fake allergy
and then he talks about how he'snever discharged his weapon in
20 years of service. The best part about him saying
about the fake allergy there is like Oh yeah what the hell.
Live dangerously. Can't always wear a.
Condom. Can't always wear a condom.
What a piece of shit. Insane thing to say in a first

(48:41):
date with a woman. Right.
Like, oh God, you'd be laughed out of the fucking restaurant at
that point there. And so again, like as he uses
for he's totally fine there, mentions the gun and everything.
It also like the next day, so time, like apparently George
Clooney says to her during the date that like, Oh, yeah, I'm
100% on for all the plastic surgeries you want to do.

(49:02):
Yeah. And like like.
She sees as a huge positive whenshe's talking about him later.
Yeah, it's just like such like ashitty thing to say.
Like, you know, I don't know, like I feel like if you're on a
date with someone who's like, Ohyeah, I want to always post
surgery done. Like I feel like if you're like,
Oh yeah, 100% absolutely do those like that should be a deal
breaker, right? Like.

(49:23):
Yeah, dude, yes, absolutely. So so Chad trying to meet up
with Oscar Cox and his car trying to put his negotiation.
So Chad's on his bike with his most ill fitting suit ever in
the helmet. He looks like such.
A fucking idiot and in the car like Malkovich doesn't like
cause appearance and like Chaz is like Oh yeah, appearances can

(49:45):
be deceptive. Also like Frances Mcdormand Chad
both they both say like Oh yeah,like to me real spies.
You gotta remove the tags from your clothing.
You have to. Talk about that.
OK, So that's why he removed thetags, OK?
Got it. Yeah, they think they're real
spies and Malkovich is clearly like 30 levels above where were
chat is mentally. So like if you ever carry a

(50:08):
proposed threat, you experience this shift or consequence that
my friend, your empty low head would be spinning faster than
the wheels of your Schwinn bicycle over there and charge
like you think that's a Schwinn.He thinks this is a Schwinn.
It's such a good. Line I don't even know what
bikes are, but like Chad Soap, Chad's proud of his bike and
nothing else. Like that's only Chad going
that's going as a character. I was like, give me the fucking

(50:32):
floppy or the CD or the fuck it is Chase.
Like just give us the fucking money.
And Malcolm just officially punched in the fucking face,
giving up bloodiness. Yeah, the way that Brad Pitt
cries out in that scene, too is also very so noisy.
Makes. Yeah, so.
Good. He's like, oh, you hit me in the
face like. Almost crying.

(50:53):
Yeah, he gets out of the car there and gets into Linda's
cars. They're chasing Malkovich down
the road, rear ending him. This is the point where Chad and
Linda decided to sell the data, the Russian embassy and talk to
the Russian cultural attache. So it's like, oh, how important
is information is, how like highscale it is?
And so try to escalate the matter to superior.
And also Linda with how big of adeal is this?

(51:14):
She's like, what's this nothing to happen?
She's at a Russian embassy trying to sell government
secrets to another country and it's like because I haven't
faster. I have a date happening later
tonight and like the next so they get escalated next Russian
guy to talking to and they're kind of shocked that like they
want money and it's about ideology and the Russian asked
like yeah, ideological and chatslike I don't think so.

(51:36):
Like chat is such an empty brandof a human being.
Both Chad Linda promised that the they have more information
despite only having one CD there.
So so later we see Clooney and Frances Mcdormand go on a date
to the movies and they're seeingcoming up Daisy yet again.
So she's already seen this moviebefore.

(51:57):
She sees the movie fucking three, yeah.
Like I'm also one thing in the back, like I think it's the
marquee there the the screen playing later on it's gonna hail
Caesar, which the Coen brothers would later make us a movie
like. Years later.
So at the movie, they're laughing their ass off watching
the movie. So clearly she's I feel like
she's playing it up a lot more trying to impress this guy she's

(52:19):
with. And they go back to his house
and he shows her what she's whathe's been working on.
He mentions he's reading a gentlemen's magazine at some
whatever this was cost $1200 in the magazine, but he figured
he'd go to Home Depot and make it for $100.
And she asked was this? So we see it as a chair with a
hole in the centre and there arehandles on rails on the side of

(52:41):
it. And when the chair rocks, a very
pink, veiny, anatomically correct dildo pops up, up and
out of the chair back and forth.It's the It's Max bike from It's
Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Yeah.
And like usually I think what itwould be like, what the fuck are
you doing here? Belinda's like OHP, that's

(53:02):
fantastic. She just immediately loves it.
He has a line at that part too that I thought was really funny.
He kind of like he talks about, yeah, whole thing only cost me
100 bucks, not including my labour.
And then he kind of like forlornly is like, can't
synthesize the rubber myself or whatever.
Like, like it takes it as a personal shortcoming that he
couldn't do that part. It's so fucking funny, like.

(53:26):
This is like. We see many things seen before
of him, like setting up was actually working on anything
like is a government guys with something really impressive or
deep or something like that and like it's just a chair that can
like, you know, masturbate a woman that's.
It Yeah. Apparently Joel Cohen said that
the contraction was inspired by something a key grip build a

(53:46):
film set he was working on as well as a some of you saw in the
Museum of Sex New York City. So like, what the fuck was that
film that happening? Like a key grip could like be
building a dildo set there. Yeah, I was gonna say, what
fucking movie was he working? On was like was in no country,
old man like. Yeah.
Because the they went to the Russian Oz here's my contact

(54:09):
there that people who are blackmailing are could
potentially be Russians. And so while he's at this dinner
finding out like he's being trailed by the Russians there,
he's also being served with divorce papers.
So no, I haven't great time at all.
And and then Chad Linda, like because they need to get more

(54:29):
information because they told the Russians they can get more.
They tried to break into Ozs house For more information and
Chad decided they said like, oh,you need to like presentable.
You have to toss on his suit to go in this neighborhood here
because he would look like complete doofuses in his gym
outfit. So he says wired earbuds.
He's waiting in the car drinkinghis Jamba Juice there.

(54:50):
He's he's Swinton and Oz leavingthe house, Swinton and Harry
leaving the house there. And then Chad breaks in and
cleans out for a jog. He's heading back towards the
house. There, Chad's investing the
computer files inside the house and yeah, excellently returns to
the house. You try signing a shower, Chats
hiding in the closet like he's like in Blue Velvet or

(55:10):
something. And Clooney then opens up the
closet and sees a man's face. Brad put the dumbest grin on his
face. Possible this this smile is
perfectly encapsulate his character, his.
It's one of those things where you watch it, it's just greater.
This part is greater than the movie itself.

(55:32):
It's so iconic. He just looks like such a he
doesn't know what to do. He opens closet and his reaction
is just to smile like a fucking goon and then immediately clap
shot right in the head. Right now, blood and guts
sprayed all over the closet. I round the scene like 40 times
because I love looking at Brad Pitt's face.

(55:52):
Just kind of reacted like, like what is Chad thinking at this
point in time? Because like, he knows he's in
someone's house. They're trying big spy work he's
working on, but he thinks that he's like like what?
What was on his mind music? So I was like, what is it?
What's smiling help out with? Like he doesn't say anything
either. And just like the dumbest grin

(56:13):
in the world and just gets fucking murked in the face.
And so when he's like freaking the fuck out, he hides
downstairs back towards the closet.
He's even aware that he killed the man too.
So like, he's like doing a tactical role back to get the
gun back to like point the gun back towards Chad.
We kill in the closet. He was like, oh fuck, I did kill
this guy. I love the role very much and he

(56:37):
he grabs the knife, he does the role the whole thing, just
again, the only like Chekhov's gun in the story is the actual
gun. And I thought that was very.
Funny, it's so funny. Yeah, because you think also
like yeah, again, clones mentioned the gun a lot of times
is also mentioned the is allergies.
A lot of time the allergies never come into effect, but the
gun does. Like you got everything about

(56:59):
his character, it's just he's got the fucking ass blaster 5000
or whatever. All these things just go nowhere
except for the gun and then he and that's like the the most
iconic scene in the movie and maybe in Cohen Brothers
filmography. And ask the Congress says one
thing back during blood sample is that they thought that people

(57:19):
died too easily in movies so like a lot of blood simple was
like Dan had dad dying slowly because that's how people
actually die. It's hard to kill a human being
like No Country for Old Men's lapel, as well as like how like
it's dying is a gruesome slow experience to happen to you.
But this is probably the fastestCohen death ever happened in the
movie ever for a main character.It's such a quick thing.

(57:43):
Completely pointless noodle, pointless death for like the
only nice character in the story.
For laughs, he dies for laughs. It's so fucking funny.
You don't feel like you feel love it.
Safer chat. But when you're watching like,
this is just the funniest death cinematic history.

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And so clearly investigating Chad's body, the wallets empty,
the suit takes have been removedbecause they believe they
thought, look, they can look like real spies when they're
interacting with Oz there. So clearly, oh, fuck, I killed a
spy like I kill a spook. Like, what the fuck I'm gonna
do. So we finally got back to CIA
headquarters and other superior Palmer, Who is the guy who fired

(58:24):
him? Superior play by JK Simmons and
other planned to the Russian embassy knows that AAZ have CD
was he there? Palmer recaps moved this point
there so you get a full recap with Hell's going on and like
Jacob Simmons is just like, OK, so like casually, like, OK,
we're going to the body like like, oh clearly drop the body

(58:45):
in the river is like Jackson waslike, I don't burn the body.
Get rid of it. Don't people poking around.
So poor Chad. He like he gets fucking blasted
in the face there. No one knows what the fuck he
is. He gets his body burned by the
CIA, Yeah. Just amazing.
No one knows the motive of his whole case there.

(59:06):
So and like and this point whereJacob was like Oz, no security,
nothing matters at all. Let's move on past.
It's like, you know, we're goingto poking around and but land of
course is pretty the fuck up since Chad on this one spy
mission and Ted's kind of like OK, ask what the hell is going
on. So Ted Richard Jenkins like,
yeah, we know the CIA. So she kind of gets involved.
He is involved as one point, andBelinda thinks that the Russians

(59:29):
kidnapped Chad. So honestly, that covers are
really good for building up mistakes.
We know exactly where everyone'smotivations are, what everyone
knows and does not know. And the fact that the Russians
involved, like, makes sense for Lynn to be freaking the hell
out. So now we're in the third act of
the movie. Clooney is pretty miserable, and
so Clooney's at home. He's cutting the largest pile of

(59:51):
cars I've ever seen in the moviebefore.
And like I told the Swanson, yeah.
Yeah, And it's just like, what the fuck are you doing?
And she's like, that's enough character, the salad there and.
He's also like really worried about like the cars chasing
after everything. And so he says 1 coming straight
there and he hits the car and starts tackling the man that's

(01:00:13):
running away in the car. And it turns out someone who
works for the Tuckman Marsh law firm and he's like, he thinks
this guy is a spy who was talking to me.
She's like talking about this law firm.
This guys like repeating talkingmartial law at times.
And I also watched a serious manright to watch branch reading
because I want to know like, youknow the context of this thing
there and serious man, one of the best Bros movie ever.

(01:00:35):
But talk about Marcus also mentioned in A Serious Man as
well. Yeah, the person or the law
firm? And the law firm.
Law firm, yeah, yeah. Interesting.
So this guy is serving divorce papers of George Clooney.
So this is who's been tracking him down.
It's been divorce papers. It has not been a some evil
spot. Also like cleaning wife is on a
book tour too. She's been having affair with
someone else and yeah, so everyone's unraveling.

(01:00:57):
Malkovich unraveling too. Tillis wincing all the money
from the bank account. So it's also changed the locks
of the home there. She's seeing the carbon
rear-ended now, which is a greatline with the talking.
This bank account. No, I'm sorry, I don't know the
number to my state is because believe it or not, I've spent my
entire fucking day remember something.
Fucking numbers. My fucking bank account, moron.

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Yeah, the way that John Malkovich said, I just posted
this on Blue Sky today when I was watching this, the way that
he says fucking moron in this movie, it's just, it just rolls
right off the tongue. He was born.
John Nokomis was born to say thephrase Fucking moron.
Like he is such a great deliverer of dialogue in
general, but like when he gets to do something kind of crude

(01:01:39):
and funny, it's great too. Like I think my favorite
crawfish performance is probablyin the Line of Fire.
They played the villain in that movie.
But like him being funny is absolutely incredible.
Like him doing the I said it like we does, though, is ruined
the night before Christmas, all the kids and everything he does
the very like he has a lot of pretenses and actor.

(01:02:00):
He's a very serious actor, but him beginning to kind of break
into comedy mode is so great. And the ring, I mean, he was
fucking Lenny in Of Mice and Menand like, yeah, the range is
just crazy. And like he probably is the best
one liners as an entire movie. Like I think Chad would be the
funniest character, but I think like Malcolm, which is
completely like, I would love that work and work with the

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congregation. I'm not sure what matches done
in the past few years. He's been kind of quiet lately,
but he's a great actor. He's pretty old now.
Yeah, true. Old is he?
Yeah, probably like 70 somethingright now, right?
I'm Googling it 71 that's he could still he's not told to
act. He's around, he's around.

(01:02:42):
If he doesn't, he's in the movieopus that came out earlier this
year with. Apparently he's in the fucking
Fantastic Four. No wonder I didn't see that
shit. Wait, he's been Fantastic Four.
I saw that movie. So no, he can't.
I I later saw that movie. He can't be in it, is he?
That's what the Google snippet says.
All of those are, you know, notoriously.
Sorry, his scenes were cut from the movie.

(01:03:05):
No. Why would you cut John Malkovich
from your fucking movie? Oh my God that's a disaster.
Fuck that movie was boring as fuck.
Not a good movie. So.
So Linus Hotel, what's going on in the movie and what was going
on the plot here? And she convinces Ted to break
into O's house to get more information to get Chad back
because despite the fact that they don't have information, all

(01:03:26):
they told the Russians, they didhave some.
And they think that they get Chad back if you sell more
information, the Chinese or someother governments there.
And Ted loves Linda so much he'll agree to do it and Linda
and cleaner and date in the parkthere that, you know, and then
to sit on the bench there and the guys are really boring.

(01:03:47):
David had a really bad missionary sex earlier on.
He's staying over another bench and she's like I don't know who
this guy is and this freaks cleaning out and he's trying to
help Linda find where Chad is get some information there and
Linda tells child like all his last seen at this address here
because I'm sending her towards here like oh fuck, here's where

(01:04:08):
I killed a man and clearly losesit thinks he's a spy.
I was like, who's just working for He's like freaking out
looking absolutely everywhere atevery single person is suit in
the park there and she's like, oh, I'm just.
A Lynda Litsky lipki. The way that she smiles just
that, like I said, is just so fucking funny.
He's completely lost minus points.
Kind of like, have you ever readthe book The Crying of Lot 49

(01:04:30):
When you know everything it's the perfect book for like how it
feels to go nuts losing yourselfto a conspiracy theory.
It's just this like everybody, obviously just people that are
out for a walk in this park or whatever, but because it's
supposed to be like where they're supposed to be, like
Langley or DC or whatever, everyone's and the government or

(01:04:51):
whatever. Very funny.
But Linda is actually being followed by everyone like in a
suit after her because she has been talking to the Russians and
everything and like the helicopter flying above her,
there's a guidance carbide her flying her and she's like her
last song was like, oh, for Pete's sake.
It very Minnesota nice, like Fargo kind of thing.

(01:05:12):
Oz like he wants to go back to his home, everything.
And so he gets a Hatcher from his bond, drives back to the
house, and of course Oz breaks into his house and makes a
cocktail first this session. Alcoholic.
Yeah, super good. This is yeah.
He gets he's got what, like a hatchet or a hammer or
something? Hatchet, Yeah.

(01:05:32):
And so he goes downstairs basement sees Ted Richard
Jenkins as computer and at gunpoint he's like, you're a
fucking moron here. Like I'm not more like, I'm with
that more on there like, oh, you're in the league with morons
and shoots Ted and like the fucking upper torso there.
Ted tries to escape and then gets to the street there and Oz

(01:05:52):
Murs him with a hatch in the middle of the street there.
And then we cut to the all timerending in this movie, which is
back in the day headquarters at Palmers telling Jacob Simmons
what transpired clues apprehensive because trying to
skip to Venezuela and he's like,why Venezuela?
Like, oh, we have an extraditiontreaty Venezuela.

(01:06:13):
Well, in that case, for fucks sake, put on the next flight to
Venezuela. We don't deal with fucker
anymore. Again, such a low level guy.
We don't have to worry about himlike leaking anything at all.
So the guys were surveilling Oz shot him, put him into a coma,
was trying to Richard Jenkins. He has no brain function at all.
And like, well, hopefully he won't wake up, but if he does,

(01:06:34):
he can tell us the hell happened.
The CIA took in Linda and she'llplay ball if they pay for her
surgery. She said every bit of
information and Jacob was like, Yep, pay up, pay for everybody
searches. She has like, don't worry about
it, just pay for it all. And then the Alzheimer like
dialogue change in the movie is like JK Simmons saying, well,

(01:06:56):
what we learned Palmer, I don't know Sir, and I don't fucking
know either. I guess we learn not to do it
again. Yes, Sir.
I fucked up. I know we did.
Yes Sir, it's hard to say. Jesus fucking Christ, Stevens,
close the file, we zoom. Yeah, CIA headquarters and we
get that shitty font again. Producing Fruit and directed by

(01:07:18):
Joel and Ethan Cohen. Fantastic ending.
They really know how to stick the endings.
It's so good, like just doing the back-to-back of like the No
Country anytime, Lee Jones doinghis final monologue there and
then just doing a similar thing,which is like a guy in a room
and just like, well, like you can't actually reckon with
everything that's actually happened because like it's

(01:07:39):
impossible to imagine every situation possible.
It's such a it's wonderful. And like, JK Simmons is also one
of the funniest people ever out there.
And with the way he sells that dialogue, well, like, fuck, we
know we did. Like, well, maybe next.
I want to figure it out. Yeah.
Yeah, so that's a yes. That's Branch Rings movie.

(01:08:00):
And so the film opened the Venice Film Festival in August
2008 and it received overall good reviews.
Not rave reviews like No Contraband, but it had a warmer
reception than And Tall with Cruelty, Lady Killers, The Man
Who Wasn't There because like the colour browser when they won
the screenplay Oscar back in forFargo 9895.

(01:08:25):
Whatever it was, I feel like a lot of people were just like,
oh, like here's here's the guys on top of the world with like
the winning their Oscars wins awards and then they followed up
with kind of movies kind of likeand not as great.
There's like the Fargo, Bigelow,Belsky comparisons, kind of
similar to the no control man and branch reading comparison.
But I feel like people come around me more overtime.

(01:08:49):
Like I've seen, like, I remembersongs in theatres.
I thought like, Oh yeah, like the reviews were not that great
at the time. But right now this is a branch
of the fourth most popular moviein Letterbox, with the Coen
brothers behind that. No Country.
Fargo. Big Lebowski.
Yeah, I guess. You know, at the time I could
see it. It just didn't really, they just

(01:09:09):
said the head of the head of thegame a little bit.
You know, I, I, I don't know, I didn't really start thinking
about this movie until like I said, yes, after kind of the
Covic conspiracies and how everybody is just so certain
they know what's going on and it's like 1 little piece of
information and that'll kind of,I guess form their entire
identities. This one study for the COVID

(01:09:31):
vaccine or something like that. And all it's we're sure that
this is a hoax or whatever and blah, blah, blah.
And it was just very funny. Everybody is chatted that movie.
Yeah like it's like cause it didwell in the box office.
It made a $163.7 million off of $37 million budget and no
control man made $171,000,000 almost made exactly the same

(01:09:52):
amount of money. So like it was a it was a hit,
but it's also like it's not really considered one of the
best Coen brother movies. It's like one of the.
I just think you have to be a certain kind of person,
especially back then. But like even today, you have to
be a certain kind of person to like, if you don't think this
movie is funny or if you don't get it, you probably have like a
happy life and you're not payingattention to like the insane

(01:10:14):
shit. Like you're probably not very
online, first of all, you know what I mean?
Just not engaged with politics or something.
It's funny, I saw on my letter box it was like one of my
friends had reviewed this and she'd said and this is not a dig
at her, she's very normal and offline and well.
Balanced. Good for her.
She was like, I think I like this movie, but I'm not I don't
understand like why it was made or something.

(01:10:36):
I just don't understand if it was good or bad.
And I was like, yeah, it's because you are you have a nice
life and are normal and well adjusted versus like all the
cycles are like this is perfect.And like, yeah, that's a good
point too, because like this movie, like you're right about
the paranoia thing, is a bigger government conspiracy where
there may not be 1 before and the government themselves are

(01:10:57):
complete fucking idiots themselves.
So like, it's very relevant to nowadays because like, we know
for a fact now the government isDumber than they've ever been in
their entire lives. Like, like the government, like
we know for a fact that these guys are complete imbeciles who
know absolutely nothing. I'm sorry, but like, I'm sorry
to live out here a little bit, but like I even think that the

(01:11:19):
current administrations like intelligence apparatus is could
be even Dumber than what they wrote in this movie.
Like 100%. It was so ahead of its time.
Yeah, like because you have likeeveryone's gotten Dumber
overtime. So of course Dumber people get
more in charge and Dumber you get more pointed to these
positions like. Unfortunately for us, podcasters

(01:11:40):
are in charge of like the FBI and shit now.
Like it's it's oh God, yeah, no one ask time and away.
This movie was not up for many major awards at all, considering
that No Country is up for a million awards back the year
before. The most notable nominations
were at Best Comedy and Best Lead Actress in a Comedy for
Frances Mcdormand at the Golden Globes.

(01:12:01):
So they get Christina Barcelona won Best Comedy, which is a
pretty good movie. And Mcdorman lost to Sally
Hawkins for Happy Go Lucky, the Mike Lee movie, which I have not
seen. Um, but yeah, I feel like
overall, like brains had a pretty good reputation As time
goes on, I think you're right when it comes to like people
have latched on to this because like society has gotten

(01:12:23):
stupider. So as people want, people want
to watch stupid people actually interact with government more
and like, because that's what reality is now.
I feel like this is not gonna beconsidered one of the top tier
colon browse movie, but I reallyhope like if you if you're
listening to this, I'm not watchit.
Go in and watch it. It's an absolutely.
It's a great, funny movie and if.
You're listening to this far andyou haven't watched it?

(01:12:43):
Jesus Christ. Go.
Yeah, what's wrong with you? Yeah, watch it first.
So when it comes to the Coen Brothers comedies, which ones
your favorite? Man, I, you know, I think
chuckles per minute. This one's pretty high, but I
think it's pretty hard to beat raising Arizona.
I think that's a great the best movies ever made.
Hmm, again, ask me next week andI'll it'll just with the Coen

(01:13:07):
brothers movies, it's just always a dice roll, whatever
mood I'm in. But like, I don't know, Big
Lebowski, sometimes I'm the opposite of you in that, like I
said before, I didn't I was kindof with you.
I didn't really get it. But then as time has gone on,
the depth of that movie is just so staggering.
Every time I every time I watch it now, it's just I've find some
bigger theme that I never even caught went to before.

(01:13:30):
So I do think that one's really good and really funny, but I
think I just gotta give it to Raising Arizona.
Nick Cage is so good and then also the the yodeling score in
that movie is so. Funny again, that's just one of
those movies that they write morons perfectly.
It's just insane. John Goodman.
That movie is so funny. Yeah.

(01:13:50):
Definitely, definitely. Yeah.
So I think that's all we have tosay, branch reading.
Do you have any final thoughts about branch reading A?
Movie. Fuck if I know.
That's the perfect way to end it, yeah.
Thanks for having me. Yeah, thanks for joining me so
much. So yeah, of course.

(01:14:12):
Do you have any you wanna? Plug, Yeah, I mean, obviously
I'm doing kill the computer. For podcasts.
And Kabuki football season is upon us next week.
I think we were going to try anddo this week or next week.
My football podcast 60 Minute Drill is back.
Hell. Yeah, that is going to be a lot

(01:14:33):
of fun. We're not going away this time.
We're coming back full time. We're doing 2 episodes a week
forever. No offseason.
Fuck yes. Yes.
So that's going to be fun. And I think on the Kill the
Computer paywall, we're kind of trying to do a thing where it's
more of like a podcast mini podcast network.
So we have two or three new shows coming out behind that

(01:14:55):
network or that paywall. So we're going to have,
obviously if you listen to that show, you'll know that Carl
mindset with Marcos and I that'sbeen stalled, but we're working
on it. We've got two or three new shows
beyond that that will probably have launched by October.
So hopefully you'll be getting for the same price, a good three
or four shows behind the paywallthere.

(01:15:16):
So please check that out. Jenna and I are trying really
hard to make it kind of a spectacle behind the paywall
there. It's a great show.
Like if you have not listened toKill the Computer, absolutely do
it. June and Caleb are absolutely
fantastic podcasters. Also, 60 Minute Drill is one of
my favorite podcasts. I love what you arrive and
editor cooking up there. It's such a funny and engaging

(01:15:36):
and entertaining show. Definitely, it's so much easier
than kill the computer too. And I'm sorry June, I'm not
trying if you're listening. I'm not trying to be like harsh.
It's because it's all I gotta dois, well, first of all, our reef
knows everything there is to know about football.
But then Ed is just going to complain and go on a 40 minute
rant about how the Raiders are ruining life and that's all I
have to do. And that's the easiest show to

(01:15:57):
ever make. And it's fantastic and really,
really fascinating too. Also, if people here, if you're
not into football at all, listento the listen to the Pat Tillman
episode of A 60 Minute Drill. That's a fascinating episode of
American imperialism and sports.Really great, really great
episode of podcast. I'm still fighting, doing FOIA

(01:16:19):
battles with the US government. I move forward and I said,
basically, we're going to sue ifyou don't give us some of these
records. So I think we're actually, and I
think that was successful because they're sending me
something. If you listen to that episode,
you know what that was. So we're going to have a follow
up to that this season, I believe.
We'll see. But yeah, I mean, you don't have

(01:16:42):
to like football necessarily to enjoy that because it's kind of
worth talking to talk about the confluence of just like culture
and politics and sports. But then we'll also, if you do
like sports, one of the episodesevery week, we're gonna try and
alternate between stuff like that and then dumb guy yapping
about big man on field. So.

(01:17:02):
Yeah, please tune into his podcast.
They're really, really good. I'll have him the episode links
and descriptions as well. And yeah, so for me, as of
Thursday, after this episode comes out, I will be at TIFF.
So follow me on social media at A at B Wisher on Twitter, Blue
Sky and Letterbox for Toronto International Film Festival
updates, Oscar Movie pod A follow on Twitter and Blue Sky.

(01:17:26):
And please give me some more emails from the mail bag at a
movie potmailbag@gmail.com and even though I'm at TIFF there
I've episode already recorded for next week will be Paul will
never stop me and my friend Jacob we discussing the teen sex
comedy classic American Pie. Have you seen American Pie?
Caleb I sure have. Like I was like a teenager when

(01:17:49):
that movie came out. I was younger teenager, but it
was like, yeah, dude, American Pie was I think American Pie was
like I was too young to be allowed to watch American Pie
about stage. I was so.
I think American Pie with me like my sister has a couple
years older so she had it like she runs for sleepovers and was
like watched it because she had kicking around.
But I was definitely too young to be watching American.

(01:18:10):
But I learned too many sexual terms and lingo from American.
Pie, Yeah, yeah, same. And not like, probably in a good
way. Like, I definitely shouldn't
have been watching movies like that back then.
Yeah, God damn. Like that kind of like, I guess
you'd call it Gen. X, although they were really
targeted more millennials. But like, those kinds of movies

(01:18:30):
were really, really, really bad.And I think somebody saw
somebody online say yeah they were so bad because obviously
like the porkies shit that the Genex yrs grew up on.
That's a full on rape movie. That's so fucking disgusting.
Movie, Yeah. They grew up watching that and
started making their movies. And eventually we were just
like, well, we should probably like, that's that.

(01:18:51):
We gotta stop this, this, that. Like, that's why I think
millennials were awake, because it got too far.
Yeah, so TuneIn next week for talk more about American Pie.
Yeah, I have to ask you ask my other guests last week too.
Have you ever fucked a pie before?
Have not fucked a pie. You have not fucked a pie, not
have I. Have not fucked a pie.

(01:19:12):
Test desk Well. We'll see.
Hopefully I've still got a lot of years left.
We'll find out. We'll see what happens.
Answer is not. Yet thank you so much again for
joining me. I love how you back on at some
point later in the future there.Absolutely.
I'm also be announcing kind of right now that as of October,
the format of the show is gonna be changing a little bit.

(01:19:33):
I'll be honest what the form is gonna be later on, I'll tell you
off the air what it is. So maybe you want to join us for
an absolute down the line. So yeah.
So take care and see you next week.

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