Possession (1981) w/ Alex Dorf

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Hello and welcome to Movie Pot, a reclaimed cinema podcast.
This podcast examines movies I've had a nose with.
Shifting reception since release.
Spooky month is continuing, so we get another horror movie on
the lineup. Today we'll be discussing a film
that, due to censorship and poordistribution, was criticized
heavily upon release. It has since been reviewed in
its complete version as a horrormasterpiece.
So I'm joined today by Alex Dorff and we discussed the 1981

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horror film Possession. How are you doing, Alex?
I'm good, thanks. How are you?
Good Thanksgiving happened. Right now the Bills are playing
tonight, so I'm going to go out to a bar to see them play
hopefully. Yeah, you guys, you guys should
win that game easily, but shouldhave won that.
Game easily too, but. Yeah, you know how it go.

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Patriots might be Patriots mightbe good this year, though.
You know, honestly, that's. The real deal.
So yeah. So yeah, we'll see how that
goes. But yeah, we'll see if I have
to, you know, call Uber Homeworkto get home from the bar.
Yeah, that one. Yeah, so with possession, so

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it's the movie. I it's always been on my radar
for a while now. Like I've seen it pop up like on
somebody listen past like decadeor something that you know, a
classic harmony, but legitimate.Never seen it until like 2
nights ago. So how did you come around to
this movie first? I heard about it probably around
probably 15 years ago because I'm, I'm sort of plugged into

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weird horror movie circles, you know?
But it really had no distribution whatsoever at that
time. You basically could only watch
them like bootleg VHS tapes and shit like that.
You know, I didn't really end upgetting to see it until probably
like 2021 where I watched it on effed up movies.com.

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I've not heard of that website before.
Yeah, it's it's not such a good website, but they didn't have
possession. It was the one place I could
find it. So I watched it on there and it
instantly became like one of my top two or three favorite movies
and I've seen it twice since then.
I saw the 4K restoration for thefirst time in 2023 and I watched

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it for the third time two nightsago.
Yeah, like I it was so hard to find like back then, but like I
think Shutter cover it with the last drive in with Joe Bob
Briggs. So I knew they did a couple of
years ago. So I watched it on Shutter first
and then I realize it's on Criterion Channel.
So like it has a release on there too.
Like it's crazy that this movie was so hard to find because it

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had such fucked up distribution from the gecko, which we'll get
into for sure. But like, it is a movie that
goes completely initially given no shot at all.
Yeah, which is funny because Johnny actually won the prize
they caught too, like and she won the Czar for best actress
too. So it did get recognition in
France, but basically nowhere else because because of the way

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it was cut for distribution. And of course also the the UK
labeling, labeling it as a video.
Nasty, obviously. Yeah.
Which is really unjustified, honestly.
Yeah, because clearly this movieis kind of based on that divorce
in some ways. You don't want point he found as
a young son alone, apartment smeared and Jam, which is
literally seen that pops up later in the movie.

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So he'd also been working on a movie called On the Silver
Globe. It was critical of Polish
communism. So he filmed in France and then
Polish production. The production was shut down to
Polish authorities, though possession is by Polish guy and
the Berlin Wall is there the entire movie.
So this is kind of talking aboutlike separation of marriage,

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separation of states. It's a.
Yeah, at the at the end of the movie, actually, there's sirens
in the background. So it's supposed to be some kind
of apocalyptic event which whicha lot of people miss because
they're so caught up in the factthat you know, every all the bad
shit shit that happens at the end of the movie.
This movie last like 15 minutes,just like 0 to 80.

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It's so. Funny, I had to rewind it like 4
times when I would be watching it because I kept missing things
because I would look at my phonefor like 2 seconds and then a
major plot event what happened? This was a hard way take notes
for because like I feel like it's like, oh like not not also
haven't seen but there's an insane choice an actress makers,
insane choices Solovki is makingwith the camera work.

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It is a movie that like there's just so much if you blink in a
mist because there's always something crazy happening.
I watch it twice through and like both times I was completely
wrapped up and everything was going on because it is such a
it's an uncompromised movie, which is fascinating that like
with all the different edits, itbecame a compromised movie, so.
Yeah. Yeah, so you can tell why people

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hate them. Initial cut that came out.
I mean, Sam Neal said that it was the hardest movie ever
worked on and Isabelle had Johnny attempted suicide like
shortly after production. So it was.
It was a tough shoot to see the least.
Yeah, because like they are so all in in this movie and you can

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tell it's not a movie. We can tell the actors having a
fun time. Like, they clearly have a lot to
work with, too. So it's not like it doesn't
sound like a Zulawski was like a, you know, a Hitchcock kind of
person abusing his actors. But like just the mental toll
these rules must have taken musthave been nuts.
And well, I think something about the movie that has to be
noted is it never has any normalcy.

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Like you don't ever see them in a normal position.
They never, you never see them happy, you know, you never see
them before that. And I think that's why a lot of
people don't like the movie. Like people who are detractors
of the movie don't like the movie because it never gives you
a baseline, you know? This movie feels like,
especially the first half, like first 40 minutes to an hour.

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It feels more like Marriage Story or like Kramer versus
Kramer, like a big more drama. It only settles into a horror
movie like pretty late in the game.
Yeah, but once it goes there, itreally goes it.
Goes It's terrifying, Yeah. So Johnny like she was like
pretty big in Europe's point in time.
Try have a career at Hollywood. Didn't really workout too well,

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but I think she's already an Oscar nominated actress.
Yeah, she got nominated for two Oscars for both.
For French movies, I believe shemight have the most Caesars, but
I'm not 100% sure on that of anywoman.
She has three and she was nominated for six.
Um, yeah. Yeah, and like she is they're

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both fantastic with me, but her is just like that as a
powerhouse performance. And so like, yeah, so this movie
was a film in West Berlin. It was 12 week shoot and he
chose W Berlin because he liked how close it was.
The communist world, like the Berlin Wall is heavily feature
that the entire movie and it's Ithink the the saying is pretty

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fascinating because the architecture is so drab.
It's pretty colourless for the most part and.
Very brutalist. Yeah.
Everything is very, very brutalist.
Donald Trump would hate it, yes.Yeah, Brulis, like, you know,
you know, Adrian Brody is like doing a lot of heroin or
something. He shooting up in the
background. Yes, I have enough.

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He wasn't having a good time in that movie either.
Now he was having a really bad time.
So we talked about Primitive Camp Film Festival and like it
makes sense. This movie compete for the Palm
Door, so you can tell why it would because it is a pretty
dramatic arts European film. And so there's a lot of buzz for
at the festival. But like festival buzz doesn't

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always translate to the real world and people outside the
festival. Like there's different
sensibilities that people have at festivals.
People are a lot more forgiving at festivals and.
And sometimes festival buzz travels way too far and you get
a movie like Amelia Perez, whichis absolute dog shit and is
nominated for every single awardin the planet because three says

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people like. Because like, yeah, like it's
it's funny cause like Johnny wonthe same award now, like Carlos
Sofia Gascon won at the festival.
Like it's pretty nuts considering like how like 1
performance isn't all tier one performance is kind of but yeah,
so. Fast.
I mean that. I mean, yeah, yeah.
I mean, you know, if you look atthe people who won best actor

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too quickly, the most sterling lineup.
No, like, and even just the Can't Film Festival has a lot
of, even the palm door of the big award that has a lot of
spotty choices. It's like, yeah.
So it doesn't always translate to the real world.
Like when it comes to actual distribution, like festivals can
be so insular. So it was initially released in

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United Kingdom and it shocked audiences, of course, and it's
quickly banned because the part of the video nasties waves.
So in the UK, with the rise of like video video cassette tapes,
a lot of horror exploitation movies were able to completely
bypass the rate review process. So this caused a lot of
conservative critics to freak the fuck out.
They log with the government andthe typical like, oh, won't you

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please think of the children type thing to put bands on
obscene, quote UN quote material.
This possession partement theatres just around the time.
I mean, people in the US don't realize that too, that Britain
straight up bands movies like like like people in the US are
used to like, oh, it comes out in the unrated cut here on the
DVD and it's on C-17 and then itreleased this version in

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theatres. But we can watch it in Britain.
You just straight up can't get that, you know, I mean, they
they banned the fucking Abyss this year because there's a rap
guys in it or something like that.
Yeah, the Abyss. That lives.
They just drowned it a little bit.
Yeah, they, they, they banned the abyss in England.
The 4K I believe, I believe it was, might not have been in

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England but it was in some countries which is fucking
crazy. That's not the movies like from
1989 and make sure the rat goes through a little bit torture,
but like if you're going to ban every movie where an animal
suffers a little bit, there goesevery Western movie ever made.
Yeah, seriously. Yeah, it's so like, yeah, so UK
like because the moral panic washappening, they there's a list

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of 72 films that they said violated the obscene
publications after 1959 and theatres were not allowed to
play movies at all. And Possession was one of the
movies that was on the list. Which is crazy, because it's not
even that gory. It isn't.
It's like, but like, it's unsettling and like, yeah.
It's on the list because it's weird.

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It's not on the list because it's violent.
It's on the list because it's weird and they didn't know what
to do with it basically. Yeah, I think that maybe just
more shocked people than it was.Like, yeah, it's more weird than
anything else. Like there's like way gory
movies, cameras point in time too.
But like, looking at the list ofbanned movies that they have
there, it's just like, it's, it's yeah, like I'm not like.
It was, it was incredibly arbitrary, the movies they

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banned. Yeah, very arbitrary.
Like I've seen probably 40 of them at the movies.
They've banned around 40 or 50 of them because, like, I've seen
a lot of fucking horror movies, and, like, most of them really
aren't that bad. Like, if they came out now,
like, they would be soft arts, basically, you know, compared to

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the kind of stuff that gets released in theatres now, You
know? Yeah.
Like, we don't have any sex anymore, but we have plenty of
violence. No sex at all in Movies Now.
No it. Sucks we have video nasty list.
I was looking at like shit, I got like watching a lot more of
these movies cuz I love moral panics is something I absolutely
love. So I'm excited we can talk about

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that a bit today too is because it is so funny just watching
this movie is like so scandalousand bad that like we have to
think of the poor children goingto UK cinema to see this movie.
Like to see fucking possession. 12 year old is seeing
possession. Like, let's be honest with
ourselves, let's be honest with ourselves.

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And even though a 12 year old stop isession, I don't think
they would get it enough to be disturbed.
Yeah. We just love the idea of like a
12 year old, like, you know, British lads.
Mike, I'm gonna go see Possession the theatre today.
Julio. Is just a marriage falling apart
with no actual horror elements at all.
It's just like, yeah, who are they censoring this for?

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It's just for the concern, like moral outrage.
Parents. It's Graham Lenahan.
Graham Linehan wondered. It's censored because it reminds
him too much of his own experience.
And so in America, the version that was released by Limelight
International Features was only 81 minutes long, and this movie
is 124 minutes wrong. So they cut like over a third of
the runtime. So like a lot of scenes in the

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marriage were removed. They needed to focus more on the
creatures, trying to make it more like a monster creature
horror. Movie, which is crazy because of
the marriage is the whole fucking point of the movie.
Yeah, like I actually kinda wanna see that cause I wanna see
how they removed it cause I don't, I honestly don't
understand how they can remove it and still make it any like a
movie. Like not even a coherent movie,

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but just a movie, you know? Yeah, like I was reading that
the apparently re edit it. So they rearranged a lot of
scenes too. So I think the scene where she
has the miscarriage and Subway where she's telling that story
there, like that scene was like within the first like 20 minutes
of the movie, which is like nutsbecause like, it's the most
horrifying scene in the movie, but it's like you kind of need

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the context for it to make any sense at all.
And of course, everyone hated this cut version of the movie
and like, for being at such an artsy, weird movie.
Like they tried releasing in theGrindhouse theatres in North
America. Stupidest thing I've ever heard.
And like it should have been arthouse theatres.
It's like obviously makes sense because it's a big dramatic

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marriage movie that like was up for a palm door.
Like it's not like, you know, saw seven or like you know for I
13th part. Six Saw 7 is a good movie though
I will wrap for Saw 7. 57 is Sawseven the final chapter?
It is one of the most evil movies ever made.
Also not the final chapter that was complete lie but but.

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The worst poster ever. Oh yeah, the post here is
hilarious. I love the poster.
It's like, it's like literally the most misogynistic movie I've
ever seen in my entire life. It's bad.
Is that the one with the the guyfrom Lincoln Park in it?
Uh, I don't know, but it does start with one.
But like The thing is, The thingis like the Best Song movie

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though we saw 5 for the part in the end where Hoffman goes in
the trap, goes in the goes in the glass box.
Greatest movie moment of all time.
Saw movies are basically just a soap opera.
Like they're not even a horror movies.
They're for people really enjoy them.
It's like watching a telenovela,except for sometimes people are
basically get tortured. I need to rewatch and with that

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mindset because I kind of can appreciate that and I hate every
song movie, but I like Saw ten. I thought that was a good movie
and I feel like if I look with myself like the twist and turns
because the twist and turns on the song movie are completely
off the rails and. No, that's why they're good.
They're not good because of the,because of the, because of the
trap sequences, although some ofthose are really fun.
It's because it's literally just.

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All. Lore, the whole fucking move,
the whole fucking series just goes after like software, which
is the worst one, but it's essential for serious
continuity. It just goes into like just this
fucking lore chasm and. Yeah, it's like, yeah, it's
like, it's funny. Like you know, someone like saw
where like they try to over explain absolutely everything,

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but with possession, nothing's really explained.
It's a lot of, it's very abstract.
You can kind of come to your owninterpretation of what the hell
is going on, what the hell is upwith this creature, which I
really like that like it's. Not, I mean, some people think
it's some people think it doesn't exist, some people think
it's it does. You know it's.
Hmm. For me, I, I kind of, I kind of

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think it exists. I don't think the movie works if
it doesn't exist, you know what I mean?
Because too many, too many people see and talk about.
It too many people see it and talk about it, Yeah, Unless the
entire movie is just their dream, which I think is very
disappointing and I don't reallylike to go with that.
All a dream. Like fuck off it's always the
worst way you can view movie unless something that very

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builds up the idea like Mulholland drive or something
like that. Like it doesn't make any sense
at all. Like say I don't know all saw 4
was all a dream like Hoffman wasjust imagining it look, although
that actually know what I take that back.
If if a song movie had the entire thing would be a dream I
think would be really fucking funny.
No, that would be good actually.But that's just because it's a
Saw movie. So any other movie it would
suck, but if it's a Saw movie it's actually OK.

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Yeah, for our team movie like this awful reveal so like yeah
so like because the film was completely cut and people do not
like it at first, it got a lot of reappraise of once
distributors and like start likeputting out the full uncut
version of it. Home video helped out a lot with
it too because we actually see the full movie for what it was
and they get from their own opinion without the you know.

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Ted it difficult history on homevideo though, honestly, it
constantly goes out of print like it's out of print right now
and. SO has released a new 4K of it
or something? So yeah, there's a new 4K that
just came out, but for like the two or three years before that,
it was completely out of print. But at least like nowadays with
the Internet, like you can, if it goes completely out of print,

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it goes completely off of every streaming services like like
like are you can go to the high seas and find it.
Like you can actually see the movie The way it was intended to
be made. Yeah, it's not completely.
Like I think it's a lot more hard to find the original cut
now, which I actually want to really.
Want to check out at some point.I can't find it.
I looked for it, I look for it before this I couldn't find.

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The fan cut of it, the fans should put it together like here
is the most doctorate version wecould possible.
You should go check it out. 65 minutes. 65 minutes.
No, no, I'm joking. I'm joking cause.
There's like other countries make their own cost too.
Like the American car was the 81man I think I said.
But like other countries and other distributors would do
their own cuts and own editing too.
There's like, I think at least 5or 6 different cut versions of

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this movie out there. So yeah, I mean, I watched
yesterday, I watched Victoria Jessicas, Indiscretion of an
Italian of an American Wife, which was originally 89 minutes,
but the version I watched was only 65 because David Selznick
cut 24 minutes out of it. You can't find the the Italian

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cut anywhere anymore. It was an incredibly bad movie
in the American car. Um, apparently the Italian cut
is better, but I honestly don't see how you can add 20 minutes
to that movie and make it good. But we'll see.
Thank God. Yeah, yes, let's crack in the
movie a little bit. So, OK, yeah.

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So yeah, we opened the West Berlin.
So it was really cool synth score since maybe 2, which
sounds really cool. And as part of the reason I
didn't like it too is I feel like a lot of people are more
tolerant of synth scores nowadays than they were back in
the 80s where it came across as being cheap.
Yeah, people originally didn't like the fucking score for
Sorcerer, which is just insane. The score for this the thing was

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up for a Razzie. Well, the Razzies are
notoriously fucking stupid. The Razzies are the worst.
They're the worst organization in the entire world.
They nominated Shelley Duvall for The fucking Shining.
Like are you fucking kidding me?And according to Farsi, I talk
about the rise a little bit in next week's episode.
Like they're also a very sexist organization too.

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Of course, of course they're incredibly fucking sexist and
they just go after actors for years even if they're good, you
know what I mean? Like they kept they nominated
Keanu Reeves for The Matrix I think or something like that,
like. Yeah.
And like, I was looking up the Razzies for like, because
Megalopolis was up for a bunch of Razzies because they're

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morons. And Shia LaBeouf, I think he was
up for like, worst supporting actress because he wore drag in
the movie. It's things like that, like.
That's so fucking homophobe. Maybe, OK, maybe it wasn't for
supporting actor for that one, but like there have been movies
in the past where they'll. Put yeah.
No, I know, I know. Yeah.
Like I'm pretty sure Big Momma'shouse was up for rising for

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actress which that's has issues.Where are we?
Yeah, they're generally a retrograde in discussing
organization and I hope they suffer.
Yeah, I hate them, but they're gonna be great for my podcast
and finding material. So we hope we see Sam Neal.
He plays Mark. He is a spy returned from an
assignment, and his wife, Anna, is played by Isabella.

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Johnny as in you or how do you pronounce that name again?
I think it's a Johnny but I'm not 100% sure.
Honestly, I I'm generally very bad at pronouncing things so
I'll probably mispronounce like 40 things on this podcast.
So same here, you know. It was like, I'll cut out this
been we'll sound so confident how we're mispronouncing it.
I liked it. I like to pick a

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mispronunciation and just use itlike I call Lord and Lord Day
because she doesn't eat the end of her name.
It should be pronounced. It should be pronounced.
Yeah, Her name is not Lord. It's low day.
She came up with it herself, like it's like, you know, if she
chose have the extra E there. I should have to pronounce it.

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I'm sorry, what words to end in an E like that?
Well, you don't say the E like every single fucking word.
Well, I guess that's the weird weird as British people called
shops like shoppies like well pronounce shop and extra peas
knees in there like it's weird. Yeah, well, the British, the
British people aren't evil, evilisland.
And I hope they suffer through stuff.

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I was born there, but I still hope they suffer.
Sam Neill plays Mark Spare training home.
His wife, Anna, is waiting for him.
And she has like, he has all hisbags and like, she's telling us
something awful. Like he's like freaking like,
what the hell happened? Like it's clear they wanted
divorce This. They're going to end things.
And he doesn't know why, why it's happening.

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They also have a young son namedBob.
Well, lot of tradition for sons named Bob in European cinema in
the 80s. By the way, between this and
house and the cemetery. Have you seen that?
No, I have not. Bob is the child and that and
it's clearly dubbed by a full grown man in the American cut.

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It's so cool, so cool. I love Lucio Palti.
And they're in bed. They have an argument, too.
Like she said, she's never been faithful.
Yeah, he says. He's never been faithful either.
The talking. Maybe they've drifted apart
because all relationships drifted apart.
And it's funny though, like marks a spy because he never
comes across like except for like the one scene.

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Where he is the least inconspicuous person ever.
He is the least inconspicuous person ever.
If he's a spy, why is he in a restaurant throwing tables
against the fucking wall? It's like.
Like, don't you think that's gonna blow your cover too?
He's like non control of his emotions like he's like doesn't
really do any liking someone suicide doesn't really do

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anything that seems like, you know, that would be useful on a
job he's on. Taking the suicide of the true
hero or this movie Terrell the best character.
He's wild. Yeah, so there Mark is turning
down like a work opportunities because of his family issues and
like at their apartment, like it's pretty drab.

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It's in how it looks. It overlooks the Berlin Wall,
and sometimes it'll look outsidethe apartment and you'll see
guards, like, observing them back with like, binoculars.
So like, there's a really big sense of paranoia in any sort of
the whole movie. And it really feels like they're
like they're living in like multiple layers of hell, lots of
layers like paranoia and misery.Yeah, and I think I, and also

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it's key to note that Dulski or however the fuck you pronounce
his name, I'm going to mispronounce his name about 40
times during this podcast. He he was getting divorced when
he got divorced immediately before the movie came out.
So before he left the movie. So it is the most divorced movie
ever made. It is Elon Musk level divorced.

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Maybe if Mark like the way he went through the divorce was to
like pay like 7 women to have like 30 sons like or if he just
like you know, bought a website and turn it into a Nazi
hellhole. That's a whole different kind of
horror movie, I think. Yeah, like Luke is making that
one coming up soon, apparently. There's so many ways you can go

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through a divorce. I'm not sure when Mark goes
through it the best way, but he's gone through it better than
Elon Musk. I mean, I mean if you have to
look at the parties of culpability here, a Johnny is
much more in the wrong than markets.
Not true. I believe women.
All this stuff happens because she's fucking a robotic I demon

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fish man like like if she wasn'tfucking the demon fish man
hiring according have ended up dead like.
Like there's other like, I don'tknow, like you're attractive,
like, you know, go to the discotheque, you know, find some
young lad or something like that.
Like, stick with, say, Heinrich Heinrich.
Like he's right there. Michael Douglas is probably
there in the green sweater he was wearing in Basic Instinct.
But you know, one of my one of my favorite scenes in any movie

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ever made, by the way. Great movie.
So in the apartment, like Mark, he finds a stash of photos and
letters and ones a postcard fromthe Taj Mahal.
It reads a I seen half of God's face here.
The other half is you, Heinrich.So this guy's kind of a poet,
but Mark was like, oh shit, likethere's someone else here.
He's not only a poet, he's a he's, he meditates, he's a man

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of arts, he's a man of arts. Limerick.
He's so swamped. You sell unattractive to It's so
funny it's he's so much uglier than Sam Neill.
It's. And so if I was, Sam Neill is
like, you know, Heinrich better than me in every way possible.
He's the superior man. I'm like, I don't know man.
I don't know man, really Hot Sam's tyrik is not so.

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Hot like he's an international man of mystery.
He's basically James Bond if he had absolutely no control over
his emotions whatsoever. Yeah, he's bipolar, James Bond.
That should be denied Villanova's take on the next
James Bond. So James Bond divorce movie
style possession because now SamMarcus names is an affair.

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He calls up Anna's friend Margieto try and convince her like
Anna. Talk to him and Anna calls back
and she's at someone else's place.
So he's like, oh fuck, she's cheating on me.
And Sam Mills is rocking back and forth in his rocking chair,
which he does several times in this movie.
Heinrich also does this in the hallway, remember?
Yeah, like the managers, like there's.

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A lot of rocking. There's a lot of rocking in this
movie. Whole lot of rocking tonight,
yeah? So like when he's on the phone
just like demanding answers the rocking on the chair for a long
time yes, our sleep dealer yes is the sex better?
Yes, and like, he finds like, calling from his place, so he
gets pissed off of that. So they agreed to meet at a
cafe, discuss how this breakup'sgonna workout.

(28:07):
This. Scene is crazy, yeah.
So like it's like a nice upscalerestaurant and there's, there's
like a corner like. And they don't even sit at the
same table. No, there's.
Zar. Because it's so weird.
And like, so like, Mark's offering $800 a month to make
sure Bob's taken care of. She wants the apartment.

(28:29):
And he says, like, I don't want to see my own son anymore.
Like I'm done with him too. And it is just like there's such
a he's such a tight ball of fury.
He's fidgeting with his glass bottle too, and he's pissed off.
Is like, I mean, Bob's a little annoying.
Yeah. Like maybe they have.
We considered the kid maybe justhas some bad vibes.
He is annoying, Yeah. He's he.

(28:52):
He he can't care of himself at all.
Come on, you like 5 like you can.
Probably you're 5 and and you'reyour mom's gone for five hours
and you're covered in syrup. Like what are you doing, Bob?
Just playing my Game Boy. Like I'd be good like.
My mom left me at home with five.
Like she didn't, but she could have.

(29:12):
Yeah, and so like this argument,the restaurant like like he gets
really pissed off when she learns like Heinrich and her
slept the night they met and he like knocks everything off his
table and and it was like, oh, if I knew this guy existed or
the lover existed, because it might be Heinrich could be this
other thing too. He would never she never had a

(29:33):
child with with Mark and Mark flips the fuck out chasers the
restaurant. And like this chase scene is so
upsetting too, because like she's screaming in terror.
He's knocking over so many tables and chairs and stuff,
bashing into things. And they're trying to stop him
and he's just like, he's just like, it's like that video game
Rampage where they're climbing on the buildings.
It's smashing everything in. It's basically like Samuel is

(29:53):
doing the Godzilla version of that.
The one they made a movie. Really shitty movie up with
Dwayne Johnson. Yeah, maybe so bad because
restrained by 4 like staffers atrestaurant 22 guys and chef
hats, which is pretty funny. As far as Swayne Johnson movies,
you should definitely do painting gain on this podcast I
gotta say. I love painting games.
Good movie. And it's been reclaimed so.

(30:15):
Yeah, Southland Tales would alsofit too.
Yeah, Southland Tales would alsofit.
I, I mean, I, I hope that smashing machine flopping
doesn't stop or off from doing good movies again, you know,
like, I even seen it yet. And maybe it's not a good movie,
but at least he's working with someone who makes good movies,
you know? Yeah.

(30:37):
I've seen The Smashing Machine, it's just an OK movie, but he's
really good in it and like. He's a good actor.
He just doesn't act most of the time.
Yeah, like. I think The Smashing Machine
really works best as a movie, a meta movie about Dwayne's acting
career because it is about some guy, a fighter.
Reaching is like having his first loss, getting humble and
trying to decide what path to gonext, and achieving his he

(31:01):
becomes satisfied with. Like realizing you need to put
the work back into it can't justbe automatic anymore.
For me, my favorite trip, Black John, my favorite Dwayne Johnson
movies, Black Adam. Oh yeah, the.
Hierarchy. I liked it when he used the
queen state death to promote it.Yeah, I know that tweet is fake,
but it's amazing. My favorite Dwayne Johnson tweet

(31:22):
that's real is when he like revealed to the world Osama.
Bin Laden. Osama bin Laden was killed.
Yes, that was yes. It was so fucking funny.
How did he know? Is he like Seal Team 6?
Stuff like that? It's like.
How does that happen? Is he a secret spy like?
Saying he actually killed, he killed Osama bin Laden.
Barack killed by Osama bin Laden.

(31:42):
Then he should have been Zero Dark 37.
Awesome he was in that movie. He was involved with I could see
the Rock in a Cap and Bigelow movie honestly that would
actually own. Honestly, I'm happy she's out of
director jail even though her new movie is apparently isn't
very good. Sure, I like her movies a lot.
I no, I mean Strange Days. It's like a top ten movie of all

(32:02):
time for me. Yeah, so back at the at the
apartment. So he's got balls of booze in
the floor. He's like shaking and misery.
He's a completely wasted, unshaven and dirty.
Like completely. He was like I was last night on
the discord server basically. Did the Steelers win?

(32:25):
What is now the Steelers won, Yeah, but I just, I just smoked
so much fucking weed yesterday. We were rocking back and forth
like Sam Neill, like every man in this meeting.
I was doing the Heinrich in the hallway basically.
That's a good move. Yeah, saying hi to my neighbors.
Like hello rocking back and forth.
Like twitching in the on staircases.

(32:48):
Exactly I was doing this the subway scene in the hallway.
So this is the point where she he returns the apart in his
apartment and he's like Bobs left home alone, like jam
smeared all over his place and he's been alone clearly for
quite some time and brings his toy boat he got from Uncle
Heinrich. So like he's been parentally

(33:10):
cucked by Heinrich too? And yeah, he never.
But The thing is, like, you alsohave to remember, like this,
it's a throwaway line, but he was like, she's been fucking him
for a year and he's like, he's like, when I came home.
So he's been fucking on his spy mission for like, a year or year
and a half. Yeah.
Like like you can't blame her for getting a little good loving

(33:32):
on the side honestly. Seem like he's like he's missed
his son that. He's not a good husband and he's
not a good. Father.
I think I have no problem with her banging Heinrich.
Heinrich is like the perfect rebound guy.
My problem is with her banging amonster that has tentacles.

(33:55):
That's where she she really goesbeyond the whole Scarlett
Johansson, Adam Driver dynamic and just puts it into sort of
another level I. Think I think marriage I like
marriage Story I love. Marriage.
I've never seen Marriage Story which is like an embarrassing
gap for me, but I really am not a fan of Noah Baumbach.
Besides White Noise which is an incredibly bizarre movie, have

(34:20):
is your favorite Noah bareback movie?
But I'm insert absurd dilaw Stanbut I I just generally think
that his movies are shittier versions of what whit Stillman
movies like he makes. He every single one of his
movies is exactly the same as Metropolitan and The last Days
of Disco except for it's a way shittier version of those movies

(34:42):
essentially. And I don't see why I would
watch one of his movies when I can just watch those again,
obviously. We can just like watch like you
imagine this movie, imagine likeSamuel punching a hole in the
wall like that meme GIF and and then just like, you know, just
remove the monster fucking from this movie and you pretty much
get a lot of the movie. That's pretty much possession.

(35:05):
Mark, I use the phone book because the 80s and phone books
still existed and gets finds a Hinrichs mom in the phone book
so there's a little connection. So it's still pop up later on
the movie too. So Mark is now the 16 Bob and
it's kind of wayward. Not sure what she's up to and
out of school. Mark frequently freaks out
because Bob's teacher looks exactly like Anna.

(35:26):
Yeah. And this is the Dublin, because
there's doubling of both characters, which I think is
sort of essential theme in the movie because both of them are
like the ideal wife and the ideal husband, you know?
And both of them are basically created by these two broken
people who want a perfect partner but are the most broken
partner themselves, you know, Which I think is a very

(35:49):
interesting thing as far as thatgoes.
Yeah, cause like this teacher held and she's also played as
well as Johnny as well and like,but she has a green eyes, she's
brown hair and they look similar.
They like the same actress, but like they look different enough
and she. Played that they could be
different than they could be different people.
Exactly. Yeah.
Like it took me a while my firstreally.

(36:10):
Oh, it's it's literally the exact same actress.
Just because they have such distinct looks and distinct ways
they move around. So like, you know, she overall
this maybe like, you know, helpsout with Bob a fair amount.
Like she comes over babysits andstuff.
And so Mark goes to 100 apartment to confront him and.
Anything for Saniel to be more of an absentee father, right?

(36:30):
Yeah. And so so marks gonna find
there's a part of confronting itand like hi Nick.
He's like so like swap. He's so cool as apartment has a
lot more colour than him. It's a fancier apartment.
And he lives with his mom, and she's the best detail ever.
By the way, Heinrich, you would live with your mom.
And the way the Heinrich just interacts with Mark is so weird

(36:51):
too, cause like, it's a lot of like touching him.
It's a lot of affection and like.
And then he beats the living shit out of them.
And also like very much like outside Ableman thing where it's
just like, you know, complete confidence.
Yeah, I, I'm fucking her. Like we can do that.
It's very similar to, say, Ableman in that they're both
incredibly ugly and have all theChristmas in the world.

(37:12):
Yeah, yeah, It's like it looks like 100 and have been a thing
for a year at this point. Mark starts like trying to fight
Heinrich and Heinrich easily able to get the upper.
Hand Heinrich just beats the living shit out of him and he
supposed to be a spot he supposed to like be trained and
I and to hand combat and hire just beats the living shit out
of him. The only reason he gets the gets

(37:34):
it up on Heinrich because he whacks him in the head with a
fucking toilet thing like. It's just like while he's drunk,
like it's just like. It's the Hendrick drunk is the
funniest scene in the movie, by the way.
It's like it's crazy though, like the detail that he's a spot
involved in espionage just like it makes them we actually pretty
funny because like he doesn't have to be a spy.

(37:56):
He's basically Johnny English. Yeah, like he could just make a
structural engineer working out of the Philippines building a
bridge or something. But no, he asked me, an
international man of mystery, man of espionage, like working
deep undercover or something. He's just shows.
He's so incompetent like. Another job skills he has for
job being a spy actually work inreal life whatsoever.

(38:18):
It's wild. Like so yeah, it's like.
He's not even like an analyst orsomething like that.
He's a field agent, like, like he like.
I don't know, I guess the USSR was really having trouble with
their intelligence program at the time because they were
desperate for him to come back, too.
They kept asking him to come back.

(38:40):
Yeah. And he can't even beat up
Heinrich. Yeah, a guy who does tantric sex
and he's basically staying except for ugly.
The worst SPY we have, we gotta get him back on the job is like
having like, you know, I don't know, call like Mike White to be
your quarterback. Or something.
Only one man can save the Queen.I would love a spin off of like
Sam Neill on a spy missions and just fucking it up if you like.

(39:04):
Yeah, it would be like you wouldmake Johnny English.
Completely. It would have to be a prequel
though because he's dead so and they can't shoot they would have
to use the AI to the age into. Now it sucks.
They could do the Irishman thing.
They do all the dots on the facethere.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. True.
But that costs like $900 billion, and they're never gonna
do it again. It would be worth it.

(39:26):
It's like if they made a third Tron movie, they can make a
sequel to Possession for $200 million.
Exactly. No trial movie has ever made
money in any Just keep making. I have no idea why.
Can we just talk for a second about how Jared Leto should just
be deleted from the universe like.
Like I don't even load them as an actor as much as other people

(39:46):
do, but like I. Hated it.
I hated him as an actor since I was like 15 before I knew he was
a fucking pedophile. And apparently massive amounts
of people are staying away from this movie specifically because
he's in it. Like every reply on the Twitter
thing where they were like save $7.00 on tickets to sanctuaries
because the flopping so tremendously was like I'm not

(40:10):
seeing the biggest Jared Leto isa fucking child molester like
and they just keep giving this guy lead roles like.
And it's not like, and people were like, oh, there was an
article only this year we've known he was a child molester
for 10 years. Like everybody's fucking known.
And it's not like he's like, he's not box office draw either.

(40:31):
It's not like critics love him alot either, Like.
How does he have a fucking Oscarfor that terrible movie with
fucking Matthew McConaughey like.
It's baffling that like they keep like I think he works in
some of the playground 2049 where is a distant vacant
performance. I think that works best for him.
But like, he's not lead actor material.

(40:53):
Has not been lead actor materialfor his entire career.
Now, I mean, I kind of like him in House of Gucci.
That's the only movie I kind of like him in just cause he's
super goofy with it. Just because he's super goofy
with it. I love that movie.
By the way, I am a huge I am a huge late Ridley Scott
apologist. Yeah, how's the Gucci is so

(41:15):
good? How to Gucci fucking hones
Napoleon Also great by the way. Love Napoleon.
That's such a funny. Movie.
It's so great that he just made a great man biopic and it's just
a sex comedy with battle scenes.Yeah.
Like. He's so.
Horrible. It's it's it's a cock movie.
Like he made a movie about a cock and for $200 million of
apples money, it's awesome. Like more people should do that.

(41:39):
Yeah, exactly. You know this Possession is a
great cock movie too, so clearlythe fans are itching for more
cock cinema. We need, we need more cocking.
We need more cocking in movies. We need more movies to have
culture. I guess like the couch chair in
this movie is Sam Neill's rocking chair.
It is exactly. He's in the cup chair.

(42:01):
He's in the couch chair. So after I hired because of
flooding fuck up like beats up mark pretty.
It's like it's a full on beatingtoo.
Even just knocks him down once, splits, plays up his face.
And carries him out of the apartment, yeah.
And so. He just gets his ass fucking.
Owned and like marks like yelling at goes back home yells
at Anna again because Anna is like I met with like new friends

(42:23):
like oh who are these friends never heard of them before and
Anna slaps mark as I went and like.
It's like, how is that her reaction to like like like how
do you go that from viewer to 60that fast?
Girl, and she's like, oh, do it again, please, and like she has
a green we'll smacking and then mark just like knocks down,
slaps a bunch of times and she runs away her face 32 and this

(42:45):
scene, this sequence of the curve running down the street of
bloods like draining down her face is so good.
It looks it's so like uneasy to look at but so wonderfully shot.
It's great. And the streets are so empty in
this movie too. Like the like it's filmed like
in like an urban area, but it's so empty.
Like there's only you see a couple.
It's not completely like emptiedof all all civilization, but it

(43:09):
feels so like it doesn't feel like I lived in city it.
Feels like it's happening like like after the rapture or
something. Like, you know, like the
raptures happen in only half thepeople on the planet at all.
Yeah. And at this point, he meets the
private investigating Zimmerman to, you know, kind of figure
like, hey, you know, what's my wife up to there?

(43:31):
And yeah, so also like a. Here's the worst fucking private
investigator ever, by the way. Like.
His No one's good at their job. No, nobody's gonna.
It's a movie of incompetence. Really.
Like, like, let me examine your windows.
Like what kind of fucking excuseto get in the apartment is that
dude like. So before that scene, though,

(43:52):
like Anna's preparing some meal meat in the apartment with a
like a like a electric knife andlike it's a very knife.
The motor, the knife is going, it's pretty loud.
They're yelling at each other. The meat looks awful.
It's just like, it's not like. It's like it looks like that
picture that was on Twitter the other day of the sausages and
the lentil sauce. The meat looks disgusting and

(44:14):
like and so those arguments like.
Really. Are you really expecting her to
be a fantastic cook though? Honestly.
No, not at all. She probably wasn't a good cook
before all this shit happened. But Mark says like he hates her
when she's away every time, likehe sees her in person, like he
like, you know, he wants nothingmore than to have her back.
But he imagines that when she's away, like she's an animal or a

(44:37):
woman possessed when like he just imagining.
The worst. It's insane how divorced he is.
By the way, he is the most divorced man in the history of
Santana. And also the way the way these
people just move around like theblocking this movies insane.
The way that's like any character moves around is so.
Yeah, that's part of why the movie works, I think.

(44:58):
It really feels like they're having actual conversations
despite the heightened nature ofthe dialogue.
It adds a layer of reality to the unreality, if that makes
sense. And it makes it makes it easier
for the for the viewer to meet the movie on its own level.
That makes sense. Yeah, because like no one is
like, no one's moving around in a normal manner like everyone's.

(45:20):
But like it feels like more likeit doesn't feel like still to
like these are actors doing something specific, it feels
like. It feels like if Have you ever
seen Alan King's A Married Couple?
No. Some of the scenes in this
remind me of that. It's a documentary about a

(45:41):
divorce about a couple splittingup that came out and I believe
the 70s. OK.
Worth checking out. I think it's Alan King.
I might be wrong on the director's name, but it's really
good. OK uhh, yeah, so so training.
Like they're arguing back and forth and she takes the kitchen,
the electric knife and begins tocut her neck.

(46:02):
It's not a deep wound with enough to like shock the fuck
out of Mark. He like restrains or brings to
the bathroom trying to patch herup and then she like leaves the
apartment. But Ash is leaving.
We see Mark in the kitchen take the electric knife and start
cutting his own arm. He starts off with his shirt
there drawing blood and goes down to like near his wrist just
drawing blood. And he's so calm while doing it.

(46:22):
It's so unsettling. Yeah, it is.
Um, I mean, I wonder if this is like, this has to be one of the
first depictions of like that kind of self harm in a movie.
I think honestly. Yeah, for suicidal purposes.
It's it's just self harm. We're just cutting.
Yeah. I think this might be one of the

(46:43):
first ones. You know, I can't think of any
movies before that use it. It wasn't really talked about
until like the 80s, you know, so.
Yeah, because like the the director's depression is fully
on stage. This whole movie, this feels so
personal. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. I mean, you can't write this
script unless you've been divorced basically.

(47:05):
Yeah. And this dude fucking hates his
ex-wife. By his ex-wife and watch this
movie be like dude like what thefuck?
He hates his ex-wife like Alfonso Curon hates his son
after making I Am Autism. Oh my God.
Yeah. Jesus Christ.
He hates his son so much dude it's insane.

(47:28):
But as he has on more than than higher Misaki hits coral
Muzakki. Don't.
That's a hard 1. You know, like, like he really
fucking hates him. I don't know.
Hi Misaki quote I have many manymany but my favorite ones is
like when girl Misaki made OHT was it from up on poppy which
isn't that bad of a movie like he.

(47:49):
Says that's before he really went down down the.
Streets like he's only made 3 movies it's been tells me
receipt from up on poppy hill and.
The most recent one. We're so bad.
To be fair that was supposed to be a TV movie.
The only reason theatrical in North America cause it's just
triple and was like oh maybe people will see it but it's
atrocious but. Like it's so bad.

(48:10):
From up on Poppy Hill. So like he's young, he's time to
learn. His son was in his late 40s or
50s then. Like, what an awful thing.
We're here for your father, for your second theatrical film, so.
Yeah. Now we get back to the private
investigator. He's following and to and his
new apartment, which is like a corner apartment right by

(48:34):
another segment of the Berlin Wall.
And so the investigator comes tothe department and he pretends
to be a building inspector that needs to check for broken
windows because some broken glass out of the ground, some
woman cut herself, allegedly. She's the worst excuse ever to
get into somebody's apartment over my entire.
Life so awful yeah cuz also likelook.
If you were home invader, that would not work.

(48:56):
Because it's a it's a corner apartment.
It's like 3 stories up. So it's the most obvious.
You know exactly where the glassis gonna be because you just
look outside. Your bathroom could have grass
in it even though it doesn't at all faced outside.
So freaking the. Fuck why does he need to check
to that and that bad too. It's my question like.
Yeah, it's, it's, it's got some tension.

(49:18):
Doesn't make much sense, but like so it's.
Nothing in this movie makes muchsense.
That's why it's so great, I think, honestly.
Because it's all about the tension in every single scene,
because there's a ton of tensionnonstop and.
It's kind of like tenant. I wouldn't say that.
I'm in the world's biggest tenants, a founder.

(49:40):
The best part of that movie is when Alyssa Dubecki is like
totally and everyone universal ceased to exist.
And the best part of that movie is Kenneth Brown was Russian
accent. Actually could be more specific.
He loves doing funny accents. It owns.
I love it. I love Kenneth Barner.
It's so great that he's like theworld's greatest Shakespearean
actor. But you'd rather be bad in

(50:00):
Agatha Christie movies. Like it's, it's so cool.
Like he's so bad when he's not doing Shakespeare.
Have you ever seen that again? By the way?
That movie is fucking amazing. No, I have not.
Very underrated. Very underrated.
Like, yeah, it's finally he was Oscar for Belfast there, which
is a good movie. And like he just like I'm gonna
keep doing my pro things. I'm gonna keep casting, doing

(50:23):
the weirdest fucking movies ever.
Just. Like it's so funny that his one
for them are fucking the weirdest pro movies you've ever
heard in your life. But the third one was really
good honestly. I saw what I've seen.
I've not seen the 1st 2:00. The third one is easily the best
one. That's some good good, good,

(50:43):
good atmosphere mood to it. Gal Gadot is so fucking bad in
Death on the Nile. It's I wanna see it because I've
seen that one clip of her so often.
Seriously, one of the most cancelled movies of all time, by
the way, between her and Armie Hammer.
Yeah, and it came out after after the allegations still.
Wasn't a COVID movie though so they probably dumped that to
stream for the most part. No, it opened in theatres and

(51:06):
actually made decent money I believe.
Yeah, but all this Champagne in the Nile, indeed.
So it's not the apartment in Kinrix checking all the wind,
trying to all the windows and it's freaking out.
She's uncomfortable him being here.
And she's like, oh, you check out the bathroom.
It's like, Oh yeah, So what is in the bathroom?
And she tries like poor mclass of wine, like, you know, kind of

(51:28):
like maybe to do some a little bit.
So he enters the room and see something bizarre and like this
is I clocked it, this is 49 minutes in the movie where it
becomes like probably a true horror movie.
And so there's something slimy and slithering is against the
wall. He's kind of confused of what it
is like it's some sort of a humanoid maybe looking thing.
It's all it's all wet and. Disgusting.

(51:49):
It's very ugly. Yeah, I am getting the
impression that she likes ugly men.
By the way, between between him and, I'm Rick.
Attractive for her. Samuel is just too hot for her.
He's just too hot for her. So she's confused what shots and
then just bonk someone out of the broken wine bottle and then
stabs him in the throat just killing the guy and.

(52:11):
And the and The thing is, she's not really disturbed by this
either. No, she's OK with the killings
like. She's just OK with it.
She's just chilling with her, you know, reptile friend.
And so kinda comes over to Marksplace and he was intoxicated and
very bizarre. He wants to find a way to
resolve the situation with Anna solves love triangle, but he
can't really find find her at all.

(52:32):
And he's like very he's very coherent in his speech, but the
way he moves almost like he's the drunkest person ever.
Like he's walking up and down stairs and stuff his arms like
flailing up in the air. He's, I think he just walks like
that. I think he just walks like that.
From Monty Python and he's just.Like it's like the photo of John
Lennon doing the silly walk. Yeah, it's like the way the

(52:55):
camera follows him too is so almost nauseating because you're
watching a man clearly not in a good space as you're being in
this tight hallways, tight corridors and just being like
stuck with him. It is so jarring to look at
Marcos on behalf like he's like,oh, I used to be afraid of
behind Rich and Heinrich says that there's nothing to fear

(53:16):
except God, whatever that means to you.
And Mark says back for me, God is a disease and Heinrich like
that's why through a disease we can reach God.
This movie is so poetic and bizarre.
I love it and. I think that I think that the
line that really reveals Mark's characters when he says I'm at
war against women. Yeah, that's, I think that's the

(53:39):
next sequence here, which is like probably like the best bit
of dialogue. Maybe it's like Helen comes over
and is talking to Mark about Boband talks about Bob's very
sensitive in school, which, like, I can tell your dad is a
very sensitive guy too. And, you know, apparently Bob's
like cries and shouts when he's trying to fall asleep during nap
time in class. He's a difficult kid to calm
down. And so she's helping create this

(54:02):
place is a park is more of a disaster and messy disaster as
we progresses. And so she's helping Mark clean
up the place because he's clearly overwhelmed by
everything. And Mark has some very
generalized things about women in general.
And it says like, yeah, I'm at war with women and there's
nothing about them in them that he can trust.
And Helen says back, which my probably my favorite line in the
movie is there's nothing in common among women except

(54:24):
menstruation. I come from a place where evil
seems easier to pinpoint becauseyou can see in the flesh.
And as she's saying that, she's wiping clean the electric knife
that they both used to cut themselves, like effusions
prior. It's just like, actually, yeah,
women are all different. And you were just attached as
one person assuming the worst ofall women because of that.

(54:45):
Like she's trying to give her him basically an out.
It was like very like sexist perception of like generalizing
entire gender because he had badincident with one of them.
I think partially the director is speaking through Manhattan
and they seem like, I think, I don't think it's a misogynistic
movie. I think it's a movie about
misogyny, you know, but it's about his own misogyny too.

(55:09):
I think, you know, like, like only someone who's had deeply
misogynistic thoughts could write this movie.
But the movie itself is not misogynistic.
You know, it's an examination ofmisogyny.
Yeah, cause there's like 4 word in this movie.
So we have a we have Anna and Helen both play the same
actress. We have Heinrichs mom.
We have there's one good thing later on, have a friend Margie,

(55:29):
who's like very flirtatious withhim.
Even though they hate each other.
They hate each other for sure, but like.
So like, but she'd probably fuckhim at the same time, you know?
So it's just the way that there's not a lot of other women
in the periphery too. And like, even when he's like at
work doing is when he's like turn his associates at work and
such, he doesn't know any women in those scenes at all.

(55:51):
No, no, there's no. It's all.
It's all men. Yeah, and we'll get into later
on, like, there's only one scenewhere Anna is completely alone
with no men at all in the movie.And it's like when she's
retelling part of miscarriage. Like, she's the one who's
looking at Jesus Christ in the church there in the subway
station. Other than that, she's with
someone with a man the rest of the movie.
And yeah, so like, I think the General Dynamics are overly

(56:14):
fast. And you're right, it's not a
sexist movie. It's a movie about sexism and
how like, especially with in your relationships falling apart
there, it's so easy to just kindof say like, you know.
I've I've been more against women, but.
This woman woman broke up with me there.
For all women are evil and the devil, which is clearly not the
case. You're just completely being
jaded by your own life falling apart that you are assuming the

(56:38):
worst of all of humanity and so.Yeah, I think that's the thread
that really engaged me the most this time when I watched it was
that the thread of movie being about misogyny because like,
jokes at the beginning of the movie that that, that I'm
completely with Sam, you know, obviously I'm not, but but, but

(57:00):
it's almost like this movie is like the perception of someone
who is in a bad relationship andor remembering it five years
later, you know what I mean? Like, like everything is dialed
up to the Max in the way that itmight in memory, you know?
And it's a very depressive memory, too.
It's kind of someone who's not gone over at all, never been to
therapy about it and has left that perception kind of poison

(57:23):
their own mindset and their brain and their.
Memory. Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah.
And like, Helen even says, like,these stories of women
contaminate the universe are completely wrong, and they end
up somehow this is erotic enough.
They end up naked in bed together.
But she does say they don't haveto Make Love, love at all.
Like, so I'm clear if they have sex or not, but there is some
tension between them. But it's so weird that like,

(57:45):
this woman was like, yeah, I'll get naked in bed with you and.
Complicated one. And like that night, like bobs
like screaming in bed, warning his mother she's not there.
And this makes Helen really upset.
She's like oh fuck I made huge mistakes like leaves the.
Place and sorry, she's also likethe perfect woman too.
You know what I mean in his mind, you know she's

(58:06):
subservient. She does exactly what he wants
her to do, you know, at any given time.
Like she's clearly a fantasy, I think.
But the question is, is it real in the movies universe or is it
because I think I think the movie is?
I don't go with like this is nothappening in his head.

(58:27):
The movie is representing things.
It doesn't have to happen in someone's head.
You know, if that makes sense. You get what I'm saying?
Like it's, it doesn't have to happen in someone's head.
It's, how do I phrase this? It's, it's just really bothers
me when people won't understand that like like just because

(58:47):
something in a movie is not the same as it is in real life, that
somebody has to be imagining, ifyou know what I mean?
Because like this movie is feelsso real.
Emotions are real, it doesn't have to be.
This doesn't feel exact to my reality, so it has to therefore
be fake and illusionary. It can just be its own kind of

(59:08):
dream states. Not not a dream, but like kind
of like dream logic can functionwithout.
Like David Lynch is so good for a lot of movies.
David Lynch was function with dream logic.
But like they're presenting a reality that is heightened
emotion, heightened of comedy, but like they're Moody and
doesn't have to make him a dream.
It just has to be just like you're being wrapped up in kind
of a weird atmosphere, which is I love me like I love movies

(59:30):
that are heavy in the vibes, andthis movie has incredible vibes
to it. Yeah, it's one of the biggest
movies ever made. Yeah, it's there's.
I like to refer to further movies like this as pure, if
that makes sense. There are very few movies, maybe
ten, that I've seen that I wouldrefer to as basically pure.

(59:51):
You know, one of them is The Texas Chainsaw Massacre.
OK, One of them is Blood Simple.Hmm.
A couple of John Carpenter's films too, The Thing and the,
and I would argue The Fog, even though it's not my favorite of
his movies, It's got sort of this pure simplicity to it.

(01:00:12):
Monte Hellman's the Shooting, too.
Oh, it's you have to. It's a fucking masterpiece.
It's one of the best movies evermade.
But, yeah, it has a purity to it, you know?
Yeah. Nothing in the movie is
misplaced. Nothing in the movie is, is

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extraneous. You know, every single thing in
the movie drives it towards its conclusion.
Yeah, you know. And also with this movie too,
like because we talked about howlike this movie was cut into
shorter versions, different points in time, like with that
purity gone, it becomes a movie that is not this movie anymore.
Because this movie is so uncompromised, having all these

(01:00:53):
edits ruins that purity. Yeah, no, exactly.
Yeah. Corrupted, yeah.
So the next scene is a Zimmermanmeets up with Mark and talks
with the missing investigator and so he gets the address from
from Mark where he's last seen and revealed that Zimmerman and
his detective that Anna killed were lovers.

(01:01:13):
So no one. Is such a weird twist, by the
way, and it never gets brought up again either because he's
dead in the next scene and you know, like.
Yeah, so Alexandra goes Anna's apartment.
I was like, hey, have you seen this man in the photo here?
She says. Like, you know, and it's so
Zimmerman's frightened of her because the way she's acting
and. She is acting fucking crazy at

(01:01:34):
that point. Let's let's be real it.
Says like a darkness as easeful temptation to let go, promises
so much comfort, comfort after the pain.
And she points in this other room and says, like, he's in
there. So Zimmerman goes his room and
then she points out. And on the bed, we see this
tentacle monster. It's all slimy, covered in
blood. And his bed and on the floor is

(01:01:55):
like a pool of red blood. There's white fluid there.
There's a lot of like bananas and apples as well, like.
Sometimes you get hungry. Sometimes you get hungry when
you're murdering people. So this tentacle monster was
designed by Carlo Rambaldi who also did the effects with the
xenomorphs head and Alien. Yeah, that's that's quite a
resume there. After this, he would design ET

(01:02:18):
the extraterrestrial. Wow, yeah. 3 completely
different looking creatures. But all really weird looking so
he had his specialty. And so Anna says like, he's very
tired. He made love to me last night.
And like. Which means she's fucking this
tentacle monster, which is just like, what the fuck?
So he looks over at this corpse on the floor and Anna says like

(01:02:42):
it was like writhing little like, humanoid thing.
It's like, he's still unfinished, you know?
So Zimmerman freaks out and like, shoots Anna but misses.
So Anna beats him with like a towel and then shoots him to
death. I don't understand how that
whole sequence goes. Like I understand how she kills
them but she hits him on the head with a towel.
Like how do you drop your gun after being hit on the head with

(01:03:03):
a tap? The men are not good at fighting
in this movie at all. They're at war with women, but
they're not any. Good at it.
Yeah. It's like how this war on
Christmas just does not work. Like we're trying our best, but
we don't have the fight in us todo it.
And I don't know, man, Glenn Beck is a true American hero for

(01:03:24):
fighting the war on Christmas. Hmm, he's a real Christmas
adventurer. Did you see that?
That Turning Point is having their own Super Bowl show.
I'm gonna 100% no, I'm not gonnafucking watch it unless, unless
they have unless the only way I'll watch it is if they have

(01:03:46):
Vincent Gallo on it. Like, I don't know, like let's
say, let's say what's, what's your nightmare suitable scenario
for yourself? Would it be like Cleveland
Browns versus like I? Don't know, it would be the
Ravens in the AFC it would be the Ravens but I would probably
just kill myself. So yeah, nightmare several.
Can you imagine watching like watch the game at all?

(01:04:06):
See what turning points up here right now?
Exactly, exactly like, like I would be that bored, you know, I
would have to watch Erica Kirk. Anschutz over to death after
like, you know, this little Taliban in there and the way he
slumps against the wall is so upsetting cause like the actual
leans against his arms up in theair.
He shocked he got he he died. It slumps down slowly and

(01:04:28):
slowly, and it looks horrified what she actually did this time.
And he's a collapse of the ground and.
It's weird that she reacts to this one doesn't react to the
first one at all. Yeah, because the first one
seems a lot more like up close and personal.
This one seems a lot more distant, but she seems more
upset by it and. Because she just shot in the

(01:04:48):
first time. It was like, you know, she's
actually stabbed, you know, like, I don't know.
Maybe she's gotten used to the killing at this.
Point just maybe she just doesn't like guns and cuz she
stabs herself in the knife but she doesn't shoot herself you
know? Well, in the movie.
Maybe OHT Yeah, sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
But maybe, maybe she's, maybe she's just a gun control

(01:05:10):
African, you know? Good for her.
She's trying to stop the tide ofgun violence in America.
Yeah, well, in West Berlin. While in West Berlin, Exactly.
It's multifaceted, all right. So back at the apartment, Mark
opens a package he receives at his front door.
It's a film reel. So he's put some little

(01:05:32):
projector there. He's angrily rocking back and
forth in his little cock chair. And it's Anna running a ballet
class. I guess she's a ballet
instructor. And so this girl in the ballet
video is clearly in painful and it was like contorting her,
getting stretch. And it's like little girl, like
girl, maybe like 10 or 12 or something that she screams and
flees the scene and Anna says something.

(01:05:53):
About how you don't surprise shestill holding on down the job
through all this, by the way. Yeah, like how is she still
working? However, she has not gotten
fired. She said can she become a
success? Nobody taught me that.
That's why I'm with you, becauseyou say I for me, because you
say I for me. And this guts marked because

(01:06:13):
like it was like OHT, like Heinrich is able to take some
control like he says. Not for long.
And Mark just completely devastated by his revealed that
she like emotionally, Heinrich is more important to her than
Marcus. And she goes on how she has like
doubt about her faith because our chances of giving her faith

(01:06:36):
faith him giving her chance. And she wants something
different that she thought was impossible.
And like she knows that she feels like a betraying mark and
leaving it feels like a small reward.
And she can't be herself becauseshe's afraid of herself.
There's some evil in her. She's been considering what is
good. And what is she is an
understatement, considering she's already killed two people

(01:06:56):
at this point. But once you recorded the video,
she hadn't. But yeah.
And she has a lot of, you know, a lot of malice in her essay.
And she returns home, seems to destroy things in the kitchen
and gather things. She tosses some laundry in the
in the fridge for some reason and.
Trying to chill it out you. Know you gotta love a frosted

(01:07:19):
T-shirt and. That's how.
That's how Guy Fieri does his hair and his frosted tips.
He sticks his head in the freezer.
That's one way to put some butter on it and just toss your.
These are exactly right. And so Anna is like rubbing her
Oh. Man, sorry guys, the Eddie I
pronounced his name wrong. You can't pronounce his name

(01:07:40):
wrong. So Mark is like happy when she
comes back, like, oh, like you're not as strong as he
thought you were. So keep coming back to me.
Like I must be so special and and it's like rubbing her hands
chaotically. She's a misery Marcus, unfazed
by the way she's acting. But he's doing his own weird
movements too, like they're completely not really observing
one another, asking hey, what's wrong with you?
There's clearly just like talking.

(01:08:02):
They're talking past each other.Yeah, exactly.
And she talks about how she feels nothing for no one and how
she talks about within her there's like 2 Sisters fighting,
wrestling and internal conflict,but feels like incredibly real
to her. So then she tells Mark about
incident happened while he was off off at work where she was at

(01:08:22):
church, she staying was at JesusChrist.
She's an angry agony kind of whimpering.
And she returns through a subwaystation, and it's like an empty
subway stations, like no one there at all.
It's just like laughing hysterically.
There's like a long hallway. She's screaming now.
She's totally alone. She slams her bag of groceries
against the wall, which causes ahuge messes like a lot of milk
being spilled everywhere and areas there's like, feel it looking

(01:08:46):
like. She's possessed an angry trance
and she's moving wildly, flailing around.
Yeah, it's just the most famous scene in the movie, which I
think is interesting because because in a lot of ways it's
not very representative of, you know, this is the most.
Shocking, maybe horrifying scenein the movie, but like, it's
not. You're not represented the whole

(01:09:07):
thing. Yeah.
But yeah, it was recently referenced in the first moment.
I don't know if you saw that. That's a great movie.
Yeah, it's really good. It's probably the best Allman
movie honestly. It's the only one I've seen.
The first one is kind of mediocre honestly.
And Sam Neil is in an Element movie, don't forget.
That that's the third one, right?

(01:09:28):
Yeah, it's every the probably the worst horror movie that's
Sam yells ever been in. Doesn't run for president or
something. He's like.
The evil Yeah, he he's, yeah, he's, he's running.
He's Damian and he's running forpresident.
Yeah. Have.
To watch it. I have the Omen collector set.
I have only revisited the first one though before the first one

(01:09:49):
and so far as a shout factory. Set.
Nice. So yeah, so after, so after is
like flying around. Anna falls to her knees and
begin spewing a white liquid from her mouth.
And like, blood's also like leaking her ears as well.
She's in a lot of pain. There's blood coming every
orfice possible and like primaryback too.
So like shitting like green goo tools, like blood, white stuff,

(01:10:12):
green stuff are all coming around here and they're all
pulling together underneath her.And so she says that she
miscarried sister Faith and always loves her sister Chance.
But actually mentioned before, Faith and Chance are so like
intertwined with her. So she feels like she's
completely just like lost complete part of herself
entirely. Like this isn't like a normal
miscarriage at all. This is something completely,

(01:10:34):
completely otherworldly. Yeah, you don't usually get
green shit. Yeah, it's like it'll get like
blood coming over your ears either.
It's so shocking and Mark says Mark responsible thing is like
for the first time you seem vulgar to me and.
He's at work against women, baby.
And Mark says whoever is like a dying dog as a kid, it was like

(01:10:57):
that, like he was with and like it yelped and tear as it passed
on the other world as if it saw something real, like as if it's
like a spirit or ghost or something.
And like he's kind of like treating like almost like she's
going to be the dead dog. But the dead dog comes back as
some imagery later on and next part is 100 drives his
motorcycle and a second apartment.
First off, Heinrich has a motorcycle that fucking rocks.

(01:11:20):
He has a motorcycle. Far as I got.
Jeff Course he does. I mean, it was he it would
either be a motorcycle or moped.I would actually pay him more
for mopeds. But but but you know, maybe he's
got a little bit more of the dogin him.
You know, he did steal man's wife.
So although the loser too, you know, a guy with tentacles, you

(01:11:43):
know, which is not awful. And so and, and his apartment,
he's like feeling her up. He's reciting poetry to her.
And he's about to take off his shirt and like he's wearing all
white this like he looks a bit like Luke Skywalker in A New
Hope. And like he stops, you know,

(01:12:03):
taking off his shirt cause he hears some dripping and he sees
a person in a corner covered in room and blood is like human
kind of body again. And it says like, oh, is this a
joke? And this creature now is like
eyeball inside his face, almost like a fish little mouth that
already fucked up looking nose because humanoid but not really
feels like. This is the point where I think

(01:12:24):
the creature is harder than Heinrich after gets the eyes.
A fire striking the fuck this point as he should like, but the
way he's acting is almost like he's lost all his eyesight.
Like he's like, you know, flailing around the room, like
kind of reaching out, trying to touch things, trying to figure
where Anna is. He ends up going to the kitchen
and he gets to see his eyesight back.

(01:12:45):
He looks in the fridge. There's other body parts in the
kitchen and there's other bodieson the floor too.
So she got the kitchen knife, was pricking him at the chest
there and gives him a big stab in the torso.
So he flees bleeding. So he runs the phone booth and
calls up Mark who, you know, playing a little airplane toy
with Bob and yeah, I'll meet youat the bar. 100 not playing with

(01:13:06):
the boat. They, you know, they're not
playing with the boat, hiring, he supplanted him.
Dad of the Year, Dad of the year.
And he says, Oh yeah, Heinrich, I'll meet at the bar but bleed
for a while, which is such a cruel thing to say.
And. It's so beast mode honestly.

(01:13:26):
And Mark tells Bob like, oh, it's it's mommy calling me.
He's so happy. And markets over dropping things
off. And she just faints, which is
kind of shocking because like, it's, it's not shocking.
It's bizarre because like, it's like she's heard anything weird
too. It's just basically, Oh yeah,
I'm leaving the place pretty fast.
Like there's something weird in the air in this whole movie.

(01:13:46):
So going to see Heiner. She goes.
He goes to see Anna and he sees the body.
She's not there, but he sees thebody person in the fridge and
begins laughing, but nervously. She knows, he knows that there's
something completely off and wrong.
Now he's kind. He's also pretty much lost his
mind at this point too, though. You.
Spinning around and miseries like howling, gasping for air,

(01:14:06):
like opens up the window, the apartment and he's like kind of
has a bit of a green. Like, if he could fuck a
technical monster with a vagina,he probably would at this point.
Yeah, I think like. Isn't there Right now it's
someplace completely different. And has a deck.
So unless he were to, you know, you know, bend over.

(01:14:27):
Yeah. Yeah.
Which I would not put past him, I would not put past his
character being my sexual. Maybe you just for the job.
Maybe you had to seduce a man for a work trip.
You know, I'm guessing it was really bad that though.
Yeah, and fail. He grabs a gun from the fridge.
Like, did he put that there? Like, it's kind of bizarre.

(01:14:50):
But then he turns the gas on thestove there and he leaves.
Go see hundred at the bar. And this sounds like a pretty
cool place to grab a drink. Actually.
There's a lot of pinball tables there.
There's some pool nasal CD looking bar.
I would love to have a viewer timer by the way.
Well, hunters like Hunter right now and like Mark.
Probably not while he's bleedingout after being stabbed after
seeing a technical monster. But, you know, we might make for

(01:15:12):
an interesting conversation, though, yeah.
But like Marks, just like I mean, he says, hey, do you need
a Tampax for your wound? Like hundreds strong, even
drinking, waiting for Mark to show up there.
And so like Mark pretends. How are they serving him when
he's openly bleeding is my question.
Point too and so Mark Hunka sayswhen he saw the department Mark

(01:15:33):
says like there's no bodies all you're making all this up.
So Mark is just like tormenting him playing with him right now
and Heinrich just like I want help and instead of calling the
police that's why I called you first and Mark is so confident
right now he's chewing A toothpick.
He has the upper hand. He's just gloating.
He sees a better as Heinrich begin with Finally for the first
time in the whole movie and Hunter says like, send me out a

(01:15:55):
long trip to restore my harmony.I deserve it.
It's so funny that he started asking him for money after he
fucked his wife. Yeah, it's so fucking funny.
It's like, it's like I fucked your wife and I'll give me
$10,000 Ultimate cock. Ultimate cock.
So at this point Mark plugs the toilet and forces out to vomit

(01:16:17):
by taking a feather and putting in his mouth which is really a
disgusting so I guess hydric install would help him out.
And then he bashes, Heinrich said with the cover of a toilet
and drowns him in the toilet, which is a really shitty way to
go. Like, yeah, poor Heidrich.
Like. You know, probably top five
worst ways to die is getting down the middle.
I know. I think especially a toilet with

(01:16:37):
vomit in it. Like it's not even like it was
clean toilet once you've been puking in it.
And it's Marks vomit too, which is like a pretty seems pretty
interesting that like he's drowning in Mark's fluids after
he's like, you know, getting into his wife's fluids, like,
and when like Mark like flushes the toilet with Heinrich head in

(01:16:58):
there and or the water raises and you see blood coming out of
the toilet too, like it's an awful, awful way to go.
And so Mark goes back to his apartment.
And Hendricks deserves justice. Justice for Heinrich.
Hashtag. He's like, I'm gonna spin off
with Eric. Just I wanna sex comedy with
Heinrich. Heinrich Origins.

(01:17:20):
Heinrich Origins. Yeah, exactly.
You have Hugh Jackman. Play him.
Leave Shriver can be his. Brother leave.
Shriver can be his brother. Exactly, exactly.
We'll make. It can leave Shriver or throw up
many wars in history. Fighting and and Ryan Reynolds
is in it for one scene as his wisecracking friend who ends up
being the villain at the end whogets his mouth stone shot.

(01:17:41):
A guy I wish you guys mouth sewnshut in real life.
I wish Ryan Reynolds could nevertalk again.
That would be fantastic. That would be.
That would roll. I think he's really good in
Adventureland. That's the only movie he's ever
been good. He's really good in that movie,
but that movie is awesome, by the way, very underrated.
Yeah, got a pretty good Christmas performance in that

(01:18:01):
too. I mean, of course.
And my boy Jesse Eisenberg. Hmm.
Justice for Jesse Eisenberg and Batman versus Superman.
He's good in it. Sorry.
Yes, he is. Sorry, you're wrong.
He's just, he's obnoxious and I hate it so much.
He's. But he's supposed to be.
He's playing the character perfectly.

(01:18:22):
You're supposed to hate him. Nice.
Hate it, hate it. Hate it, hate it.
So Mark does the baller thing. He steals Heinrichs motorcycle
to skate. The scene of the crime when the
apartment blows up and it turns his own apartment and finds
Margaret dying in the elevator. Student bleeding out from knife
moons. Yeah, they never really
explained this to like, like howthat happened, I mean.

(01:18:45):
I assume it's Anna that doesn't.It doesn't.
It doesn't in the apartment there.
Yeah, Dan, who does it, but theynever really.
I mean, it's just very random. Probably the most random part of
the movie, I would say is Margaret being in the elevator.
That's the part I and it happened so fast.
That's the part I miss because Iwas looking at my phone for

(01:19:05):
three seconds. I said, so I'm going in the
apartment with the body and likewait, I just bought the room.
And also like, so they cover up the, the, the Margaret's death
like, you know, and Mark hides the body in the trunk of the
car. And then later on the movie,
like when we see that the, the cars start driving and the body
fault of it, who's driving the car?
It is not at that location at all.
It's kind of bizarre these kind of like as extra scene in there

(01:19:28):
what doesn't make any sense at all because.
Especially, yeah, the scene where he has the guy drive the
car to the cop car. Like I don't know why that
scenes in the movie. We'll get to it.
And yeah, so like, uh, at this point, so like Mark and, and are
covering up this like moving Marcus corpse around and, and

(01:19:50):
it's helping marketing all the blood off themselves.
They finally embrace and, and itasks like, do you believe in
God? And she says God is in her.
They have sex for the first moment.
Actually, they they've been in bed with one another.
They haven't had any intimacy. Until this point, and she says,
Oh yeah, she says that she killed her Margaret because she
saw the creature and the creature has to be protected
like a child. So that's why Margaret got

(01:20:14):
killed. But it's also like, where did
she see the creature? Yeah, where she chilling at the
apartment like that? He said that he's about to set
on fire. Like it doesn't make sense much
sense, so. Did she bring the creature out
for a lunch date at McDonald's? Have a nice yeah yeah, they're
not allowed to have fancy cafe anymore after destroying it.

(01:20:36):
No, no, they've been banned fromall the fancy restaurants.
Now we're going around with the servers of West Berlin.
So at this point Heinrichs mom calls up mark asking where he is
and like she's like but she knows 100's dead and because
like she's identified the body, but she says the soul is not
there and marks like well, like you know, maybe ask Anna to see

(01:20:57):
what she's done in market salt with it with Heinrich soul.
So he drives to and his place. He drives somewhere because
where is he going to now? Because Anna's place exploded,
but he's a. Different doesn't mean he's
going to Margo's house. Was Margaret OK?
OK. And we don't really.
And it doesn't really make any sense why he's going among his
house. It doesn't make any sense at
all. Yeah, like.
But so like Anna's there so but the technical monster is there

(01:21:22):
and is there too. Mark is shocked to see them and
like because they're and something monster having sex and
it's just looking at Mark sayingalmost, almost, almost over and
over the monsters that all the tentacles are wrapped around her
legs and stuff. And Mark just stares at her,
nods as like, yes. I'm guessing this is probably
the scene that got the video. Nasty.

(01:21:45):
Yeah. Yeah, like in this scene, plus
the miscarriage scene. Those two scenes alone could
probably, like, really offend a lot of people, yeah.
But neither is like gory, you know what I mean?
I think I, I think it's one of the few video nasties that was
actually banned, like primarily for sex, you know, even though
because the sex is so weird. Like the video nasty thing it

(01:22:07):
was. It was a conservative movement.
So I imagine the Jesus Christ imagery then followed by the
subway miscarriage, that's goingto piss off a lot of people who
are really into like, you know. The Church of England.
Yeah, Yep. So Marcos to visit Heinrichs
mother and he says that he mark says he's seen what Heinrich has

(01:22:27):
seen and it's kind of it's an implication of the technical
demons took Heinrich soul again,not now as I was explaining, but
kind of like how not explaining it lets you kind of like try
piercings together yourself. Like what does mean
symbolically? And um, the mother decides to
overdose on sleeping pills so she can reunite with Heinrich.
Mark holds her hand as she dies and then I like this like the

(01:22:50):
last 15 minutes of the. Movie.
So that's basically the second person that Mark killed too.
So they both basically killed two people.
So they're pretty even at this point.
They're pretty even at this point.
Yeah, although she is fucking the technical monster, which is
kind of gross, honestly. Maybe not as gross as having sex
with Heinrich for 24 hours, but still pretty grossed.

(01:23:13):
And this is like, the last, like, 15 minutes movie.
The movie just shoots off like arocket with his pacing at this
point. So yeah, Marks rocking, walking
across the bridge. The sense score goes nuts.
He sees the dead dog in the river, and he sees a couple of
former associates come out to him.
They want him back on. The job just such a weird scene
too. Yeah, because his successor that
they mark successor on. The job and then they say there

(01:23:36):
is no successor, there is only you or whatever.
Yeah, yeah. Only he can do this job and like
Mark, tells the dead. Dog, which is so weird because
he's so incompetent. So this dead dogs are just hold
again. He says he stayed with the dead
dogs. He wanted to know why.
Why did? What made it want to go to a
portion and let himself die? So Marcus have been on the, I

(01:23:56):
don't know, run here. So he is driving around
Hendricks bike. He goes to Margaret's house and
he sees the cops investigating and gets out of the bike.
He hops into the cap back of thecab, puts a gun to the cab
driver's head, and tells the driver at gunpoint to crash into
the cop into the cop car. This is the weirdest scene.
The whole fucking movie and the cops.

(01:24:18):
My pleasure that there is no point for the scene to happen
like it. It doesn't.
It doesn't link to anything elselater in the movie.
It problems for him completely and like how was I supposed to?
Help you why you driving your car into the cop car and then
getting shot? Like, yeah, and he supposed to
be a super spot. So like the cap is going towards

(01:24:40):
the cop car, Mark dive rolls outof the car as it's moving and
then so the cab hits the cop cars.
Then Mark is like running, trying to run away and he gets
shot by the cops. He shoots back and shoots back
at the cops and he hits one cop like killing one and then the
cop cars just explode. It's an awesome explosion, but
doesn't make much sense as to how they exploded and so on.

(01:25:04):
It's on the run. He's like an access.
He almost he's yelling on the motorcycle.
He crashes the bike. He's not doing well.
He's been shot. He's like bleeding out.
So he's at a, he runs inside a building and there's a very tall
spiral staircase. He can barely make it up.
He's getting weaker and weaker as he goes because.
He's and we've never seen this building before.
Yeah, no, it's like. Completely random.
Building. And she's there too, for some

(01:25:25):
reason. She's following him as well as.
Yeah, so she's been following him and like, somehow she's been
able to catch up with her. Or again, maybe that's.
Yeah. So maybe that's where the anus
one driving marks car with the corpse in the back, Like it's
the way it's cut is kind of bizarre.
You don't really know what it iswith her is a with Anna is a

(01:25:46):
complete doppelganger of Mark. She says it's finished now, so
this is what she's been working on.
So like this whole weird corpse thing that's been turning more
and more humanoid. She now has his version of her
version of of the 8 teacher. Basically, you know.
Her own like double that is in her mind could be.
More perfect partner, This perfect partner, yeah.

(01:26:08):
This whole movie maybe this is what she's been here the whole
time and so Marcus Braid completely shoot the
doppelganger with his gun and they stopped by a Halo machine
gun fire from cops and I guess the his work associates that
were he's on the run from so and.
It doesn't really make it clear,but he shot by someone.
Shot by everyone's chasing them and Anna shot in the gut too

(01:26:30):
during this. So she's bleeding out dying too
and the doppelgangers completelyunharmed.
He's just staring like he's juststaring just kind of vacantly
over them. And so Anna marker both on the
floor bloody and they're dying. They start kissing.
So if she gets on top of him, like you know, they're lying
both both down. And so she grabs his gun and it

(01:26:51):
takes the gun and takes it to her back by your spot and shoot
yourself in the spine on top of them, which is awful way to kill
yourself. Oh yeah, awful way to close.
And like, but the topic is like,oh so hard 2 with it a brother,
which is like basically doppelganger saying oh women, am
I right? Like it's such a bizarre line.

(01:27:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. So there's like, so like the
doctor walks up the stairs. There's a woman who nursing you
before watching what's happeningis observing.
And the doppelganger, like, pretty much gets like a weird
trance. And she's not really acting like
a normal human being. And it puts a gun in her hands,
like, oh, you gotta shoot the pursuers.
Like, this is like, hold them off.
And then this doppelganger escapes to the roof and Mark

(01:27:34):
jumps off the railing himself, killing himself.
Uh, then back of the apartment you.
Can see he's a Seahawks fan and they they once again lost in the
playoffs. That's why.
I wonder what football team Markwould go for.
I think he would be a commandersfan but he still called him the

(01:27:55):
slur name. Yeah, well this is the 80s who
absolutely calling the slur name.
Well, even if they were called the commanders, he would still
call them the slur name. Yeah, absolutely.
Huh. So back at the apartment,
Helena's babysitting Bob and there's a knock on the door and
Helen's just like Helen goes to get it and Bob's freaking the
fuck out, yelling don't open, don't open, don't open like

(01:28:17):
dozens of times this case. Like, no, I'm just freaking the
fuck out. So, Bob?
Goes, I mean, he has bad vibes though, as I pointed out
earlier. So yeah.
So it makes sense that she doesn't listen to them.
So Bob goes upside down. And like, and there's a full
bathtub and just submerges himself face down.
Like this kid is like, is he trying to kill himself?
Like. He kills himself.

(01:28:37):
That's that's what happens. I think I, I, I think he kills
himself, but. He's killing himself, yeah.
But it's such a weird way to kill yourself.
Like like, how do you even manage it?
You know what I mean? Like.
Especially for a little kid to think that, yeah, it's, yeah,
it's very upsetting. And Helen's by the door and
there's the sounds of siren begin to fill the space and

(01:28:59):
their planes flying overhead, sounds of explosions, Helens
just staring into the camera. And behind her, we see the
doppelganger silhouette at the door that trying to get in,
almost like a zombie. Almost.
And we? Just perfect couple.
Yeah, the, the double is our game together in a way there.
And when the double s finally, you know, get close enough to

(01:29:20):
one another, like, there's like an apocalypse happening.
And we the final shot we see is Helen staring at the camera with
Highlander green. And then we just rolled the
credits and we still hear all the sounds of bombs, explosions,
continue with some piano music and like, yeah, is this like,
what the World War Three finallylaunched off?

(01:29:40):
Is this the end of the world? The vibes are very apocalyptic
and awful like. Yeah, totally.
This is like, it feels like the complete end of the world just
happened. And it I I, I like how like,
basically, you know, this divorce drama ends.
With Divorce is the end of the world.
It's the message of the movie. Emotionally, narratively, it

(01:30:01):
ends with just like everything completely shattering.
The entire world's just over. How I felt when my parents got
divorced when I was 9. I'll tell you that much.
Yeah, I drown myself in the bathtub.
Thankfully. Thankfully I was woke so I
didn't talk. Nice.
That's good for you. Yeah.
So that's the end of possession.Yeah.
So possession cost $2.4 million and during I found the box

(01:30:25):
office for its American theatrical run during its very
botched up run is only 1.1 million.
But um, it's been re released theatrically.
Fair amount, gets a lot of repertory screenings.
Possession was awesome. So start with the UK a fair
amount and how like the video nasty thing.
How to see it at Rats? Cause they always play the DCP

(01:30:48):
and I, if I'm gonna go into the city to see a movie, I kind of
wanted to be on 35mm, you know, Cause I'm just sort of watching.
But I can watch on DVD otherwise, you know.
Loves the any screening the movie in the theatre.
I would love to see this movie, but it was eventually released.
Uncut theatre in the United Kingdom in 1989.

(01:31:09):
Like overall, like you cannot find this movie, The uncut
version for most part. Like we've not been able to find
the cut version. Yeah, no, the uncut version is
really the only version that's available.
I believe there was. There is a set you can order for
like an absurd amount of money. It's like $70.00 that has the
cut version in it. Hmm, cloud on Amazon, but I

(01:31:30):
don't really have $70.00 to spend on a DVD, you know?
The movie This can be inferior than the actual real.
Exactly. Exactly.
In 2000, it received an uncut VHS and DVD release, which
really helped its reputation because we could actually see at
home what this movie is actuallyis actually supposed to be.

(01:31:50):
Yes, This is a movie that's beenreclaimed by people who actually
got to see the movie as meant tobe because like, and I think
it's an interesting way for a cult movie to kind of develop.
Is that like, you know, it's kind of like a almost a bit like
Blade Runner, how Blade Runner, the version that came out was
kind of not what the. Ideal version for gonna talk
about it. Ridley Scott movie too.
Kingdom of Heaven with with the theatrical cut is honestly

(01:32:13):
mediocre and the directors cut is a masterpiece I would argue.
You know, having like, that is such an unremarkable movie, just
the theatrical cut. But like, it gets so much better
with, like, the intended vision.Yeah, just wanted like, like
none of these movies are really.Comics have been sabotaged as
possession was during theatrical.
Run where? No, The thing is, The thing is,

(01:32:34):
most of his movies besides BladeRunner, he made revisions later,
more than more than, you know what I mean, had the movies cut
by the studio, you know, and this movie was just savage.
It's not even a director's cut. It's just the original kind, you
know? Yeah.
And like there are like things you could probably fit pretty
smooth, just some bizarre tweaksand edits like this movie is.

(01:32:55):
This movie is amazing, full and amazing.
But like there are some bizarre edits in this movie.
They can see them maybe tweakinga little bit to have things be a
bit more. This movie is great because it
is incoherent, but there are parts that we better if they're
a bit more coherent, like like stuff like when the doppelganger
escapes in the roof and everything, he gets up on top of
the door to climb up to escape and the next cut is Mark falling

(01:33:17):
off the railing and killing himself.
So I initially thought when I first was like, oh, the
doppelganger kill himself and then I'm gonna say, oh, no, no,
he didn't. So there are some tweaks he
could make, but ultimately like this.
Movie kind of like that though Ikind of like that it's ambiguous
because everything in the fuckermovies ambiguous, you know enjoy
this movie is that like and if you're if you're gonna go around

(01:33:39):
saying let's make this tweet, let's make that streak.
I think eventually you start sort of rob the movie of what
makes it so unique, you know? Is so singular, is so of itself.
Yeah. It is pure, as you said.
Yeah, yeah. Exactly.
So yeah. And that's like, yeah, so this
movie is like, completely uncompromised, which makes it
really, really special. Like, I've never seen a movie

(01:33:59):
like this ever. Like this movie is so of itself
like. They're making a remake of it
with with Pattinson, where he's producing it and Parker finds
directing it, which I think is an interesting choice, but it's
gonna be just such a different movie, you know?
Don't smile or smile too. I like I like the smile movies,

(01:34:21):
but. 3% fake outs and that's allI have going.
For it, yeah, but but they're good jump scares like, but I
don't, I'm not I see I I I I don't like most jump scare
movies. I think the smile movies work
obviously, but but I don't thinkhe's but I'm not sure it's the

(01:34:42):
right. So good in that movie.
She's fantastic and she's gonna be here.
She's like this movie sucks but the lead performance is
phenomenal. She's gonna be huge, I think.
I saw her a world premiere for her new movie called Eternal
Return with Kit Harrington. Thoughts.
If it's just fine, it's kind of like a, you know, she's a

(01:35:03):
clairvoyant. Her lover passes away.
And like, she meets up with someguys in England that, like, they
believe in the mystical arts, too, and they think they can do
time travel. So she wants to go back in time
to reconnect with his dead lover.
And it's kind of if you wasn't morning extended, it feels like
an extended Doctor Who episode. So depends on your tolerance
for. That I've never been super
impressed with Kit Harrington, honestly.

(01:35:24):
He what I like what Kit Harringtons maybe eternal return
is like. He's not doing his brooding
thing. He's kind of a bit more upbeat
and I think. He's always fucking.
He always looks so fucking depressed.
Like, put a smile on, man. Everybody, come on.
Yeah, so he's OK movies like, but Naomi Scott like is I like
Naomi Scott a lot, the movies just fine when rush out to see

(01:35:45):
it, I'm not sure even has distribution yet.
So he knows what's gonna come out.
But yeah, smile too, both families like, you know, they're
saved by the lead performances because I feel like yeah, I I
just don't think you know why remake possession like.
Yeah, it's very stupid, but. There was a a remake in
Indonesia that came out last year.

(01:36:07):
Yeah, I have not seen that. But either but.
I love weird Asian remakes of America of Western movies though
I want to see the remake of Blood Simple.
That the Japanese remake of Blood Simple?
Yeah. Be interesting.
Which is not supposed to be verygood, but I think it would be
interesting, yeah. But yeah, so but it is

(01:36:28):
interesting that like possessionnow is like I'm really that is
prominent enough that they're trying to remake it.
Yeah, it's really been completely reclaimed.
Nobody talked about it 20 years ago.
There was somebody on Twitter was like, it was like, I wish
they'd never found present possession when somebody said
what movies have been reclaimed in the last 20 years.

(01:36:50):
And I completely disagree with that.
I think we shouldn't be gatekeeping movies based on
based on, I mean, I don't know, I, I, yeah, I hate a lot of
podcasters for that mentality. I don't hate you, but I feel
like a lot of podcasters just have this elitist mentality and
I think. Right.

(01:37:10):
Because like, it's just like, I don't see the value of, like, I
know some people, they think that movies can be ruined by the
fandom and I don't subscribe to that at all.
Because if I let fans dictate myenjoyment for things, I would
drive myself absolutely insane. Like Star Wars fans are the
worst, but I can still enjoy Star.
Wars kind of like an example with video games.

(01:37:32):
Expedition 33 which is a great game but it has literally the
worst fans in the entire universe.
Like like the only good JRPG is Expedition 33.
Shut the fuck up. Yeah, expand your horizons.
And that's The thing is like, I think that the more people watch
or play or. Go play Saga Frontier bitch.
Yeah, I think that like people shouldn't be.

(01:37:52):
I think people would be less precious of their media if they
experience more of it. Like it's hard to.
If Possession is like the only artsy horror movie you've ever
seen, then maybe like this movieon a pedestal, untouchable.
Like this movie is extremely special and unique, but like you
shouldn't be preventing people why people not to watch it?
I think that I want more people to watch this and I kind.

(01:38:14):
Of hope that exactly yeah, I. Hope this podcast episode that
people go and go watch the movie.
Yeah, spoiler for the entire movie possession that we just
talked about the whole thing through.
Just heads up. Yeah, yeah.
Spoiler alert that we just gave the whole way the whole plot of
but, but like, but I, I need to emphasize this movie, it's not
all about the plot. It's about the ride.

(01:38:36):
It's about feeling, too. It's dripping with emotion, very
heightened emotion, extreme emotion.
And it's about two of the greatest performances ever in a
horror movie. Yeah.
They are incredible and like. They're 10 year old.
Such a horror movie legend too. Like between this, event
Horizon, in the mouth of madness, Dead calm, Daybreakers.

(01:38:57):
Very underrated movie and like. A drastic park.
Like there's the horror elementsin those movies Sam Neill plays
up so well. Yeah he's I honestly wish he had
done more because he only cause then it's like 40 year career.
He only made like 7, but all of them except for the Omen 3 are

(01:39:18):
excellent, of which I would say are masterpieces which are
Possession in the Mouth of Madness and Event Horizon.
Event Horizon is inevitable episode for the show.
You got the event horizon. Yeah, maybe you'll have me back
for that. I've seen it like 100 times.
Yeah. So thank you so much for joining
me, Alex. Yeah, of course.

(01:39:38):
Any final thoughts about possession?
If you haven't seen it, you should watch it, you know, like
it's, it's really an experience.And even if you don't like it,
it's worthwhile. You know you've never seen
another movie like it. I can guarantee that even his
other movies aren't like this. They're weird as hell.

(01:40:02):
I've only really seen On the Silver Globe, but it's weird.
It's good, but it's weird. I don't like it as much as this
movie, but it's interesting. It's fascinating.
Yeah. So is there anything you want to
plug? Yeah, my letterbox is just
letterbox.com. Well, my profile name is echos

(01:40:23):
Myron echo EMYRON Twitter, but Ibarely post as echoes my win
one, because I used to have the original echos Myron name and
then I deactivated my Twitter insome bathroom, doesn't tweet
stole it from me and and now I have echos Marin one, which is
just endlessly aggravating to me.

(01:40:44):
I deleted it because um, becauseum, I was worried some of my
tweets weren't woke enough, but that isn't a problem anymore so.
They all woke up now. No, no, no, I mean Elon, Twitter
is just for Nazis now. Like I'm probably getting off
there. Especially.

(01:41:05):
I mean, the last, the last strawfor me is this week.
He's just straight up letting white wing accounts stocks left
wing accounts like and not removing the DOCSIS like it's
it's so bad. He should have, just like, you
know, for his divorce, just fucked a tentacle monster.
Yeah, exactly. You know, we're fucked.
A guy like Heinrich. Yeah.
Like had tantric sex with Sting,which is Sting is basically the

(01:41:29):
real life equivalent of Heinrichexcept for his hot.
Yeah. If I was hot, could be staying
disting live with his mother. Well, I don't know, I hope so.
Alright, so thank you all for joining us.
So you can follow me on Twitter Blue sky letterbox at be
Wishart. You can also follow Movie Pod on
Twitter, Blue Sky, and YouTube. This week, Spooky Month is

(01:41:53):
continuing over on Movie Pod, where I'll be discussing the
movie Twilight. Have you seen Twilight, Alex?
Actually have not really the only.
The only experience I have watching the Twilight movies is
I used to work at a small secondone movie theatre and I've seen
the last scene of Twilight New Moon about 95 times as I was
waiting to clean up the theatre.But that's that's the extent of

(01:42:16):
my experience with Twilight. I had coworkers who tried to
invite me over for Twilight Marathon, but I was busy that
day. I am interested in seeing it
because, you know, it does have two of the best actors of the of
its generation in it. Yeah, but it kind of looks like
dog shit. But you know.
I recorded episodes or so if I record the Twilight episode and

(01:42:38):
we talked a lot about how like edit the patents and Stewart
thing is why people will come back to us.
Like, oh, maybe we aren't isn't as bad as I thought it would be
because a lot of people are dunking on Stewart and Pattinson
for being bad actors when like no, they're doing those parts
extremely well. No, no, they were both
incredibly talented. I mean, and they've both also
had such an interesting career trajectories where they'll

(01:43:00):
they'll occasionally make a mainstream movie to prove that
they can open a movie and make it makes $100 million and then
the rest of their career is working.
It's like collecting author directors.
I think a lot of their career model seems to come from
somebody like Tilda Swinton, whobasically just works with
whatever director she thinks arecool, you know, And I, I think

(01:43:23):
Pattinson and Stewart are basically doing the same thing.
Stewart's performance in Clouds of Sils Maria may be and
Personal Shopper, the two ohe science movie.
She's in maybe two of my favorite performances in the
last 20 years. I haven't.
Seen clouds by a lover and personal shopper.
She's incredible in that movie, and that's a movie that could be

(01:43:44):
on this podcast, too, because people hated that movie when it
first came out. Yeah.
Alright, well, thanks again for joining me Alex.
And until next week, take care of Movie Pod Mafia.

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