SEASON FINALE - Taylor Swift: Eras Tour (2023) w/ Andrea Wishart and Andy - MoviePod: A Reclaimed Cinema Podcast

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Hello and welcome to season finale event of Movie Pod 1.0.
Next week Movie Pod is entering a new era.
The artwork will be different, the music will be different and
the format will be different. As of next week, the premise of
the show is changing. It will now be Movie Pod, it
reclaims cinema podcast. It will cover movies that have
had significant shift in critical reception since
release. It will also be about films have

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been reevaluate and put on a mantle by various people and
subcultures. So I figure with the shift in
the era, we kind of fun to take advantage of a search engine
optimization with the draw of the new Too Swift album and
cover Taylor Swift, the heirs toour Taylor's version.
So I'm joined by two toes with mega fans who I actually saw the
tour with. So I'm joined by my friend Andy.
So how are you doing, Andy? Everyone, I'm doing good.

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Thanks. Nice to meet you all.
Is that is that what you say on the podcast?
I don't. Know you can say whatever you
want. Hello.
I'm also dream of my sister Andrea.
So how are you doing, Andrea? I'm so excited for tonight.
So the Taylor Swift new album, was it called?
What's it called? Life of a Showgirl.
Oh my God, the life girl. Get with the picture.

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Yeah, that's that's like dropping at midnight there was
freaking the fuck out about that.
So yeah, I figured screen no perfect timing.
So the new podcast format next week and such.
So, you know, strike when the iron is hot yes.
Let's First off talk about how we got into Taylor Swift,
because I assume we have different stories.
So how about Andrew? You go first.
Yeah, because I'm definitely theoldest person in this podcast

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right now and definitely the oldest Taylor Swift fan.
So I have been into Taylor Swiftsince her first album came out,
so the summer of 2008. So I I picked up on it like a
little bit after it had originally debuted.
But when she was hitting like all the talk show circuits and a
roommate of mine at the time, when I was an undergrad at

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Western, was super in the country music.
And I remember her playing Picture to Burn, and I thought
it was a riot, like an absolute riot.
And then I kind of looked up this artist and she just had so
much spunk. And this song was insane.
Like, it was just so vengeful. And I loved the spite.
And little did I know, like, howmuch like, revenge and spite

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would be like, such a major narrative to Taylor Swift over
the years. But yeah, it was really, really
catchy. So I guess I caught it like, a
little bit later because the lead single off that album was
Tim McGraw. And I didn't find that song
until I actually bought the album.
So I bought the album on iTunes and I had it on my iPod Nano
1st. Generation, yeah, yes.
You know, putting this into context and the, I also got into

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this album like right after my like high school boyfriend and I
have like 4 years broke up. So I was like, yes, like picture
to burn, like, and then the songshould have said no like hook it
to my veins. I was so into that album that
summer and then so that was likemy first introduction to Taylor
Swift. And then it was not that long
after that Fearless came out when I was actually abroad, like

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I did a year abroad at the University of Leeds in Northern
England. And I remember when Fearless
came out and I got it on iTunes again and listening to it on my
iPod, like walking up and down like these soaking wet hills
because it's northern England, so it's always raining and
always cloudy and just getting like hooked on these songs, like
on repeat, like while I was living in England.
And like some of the lyrics about like Fearless and that

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sort of thing going out on my own, like living in a new
country. Like it just hit at all the
right times. And Taylor Swift is one year and
one day younger than me, so still pretty close in age.
So a lot of the times when her songs like came out, they like
hit the spot for me because likeI had just gone through like
similar kinds of things and it just kind of went from there.

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I know for me because like you're my sister cores and like
I was buying CD's as like birthday presents and Christmas
presents and stuff. Like that's how I got into it
because like I was getting things for you, then I was
getting hooked on that as well. And I was found like her music
incredibly engaging. You know, I find another
country, country at Twin stuff as interesting as her layer
things. But yeah, there's always

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something there, always something I found interesting.
And I think that she's an incredibly interesting musician.
So I really have that interesting story.
Basically, I just stole my sister's albums and listened to
them. How are you, Andy?
For me, it was, I mean, I was aware of Taylor Swift growing
up, obviously like the like she was everywhere.

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So it's like I, I was aware of the music, but I never really
sought it out until it was like COVID.
She had come out with folklore and Evermore and I remember
hearing like a lot of like hypedlike chatter about it.
Like everyone was saying it was really good.
And it was kind of like her indie album and this and that.

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And like, I'm more of like an indie kid as far as like the
genre that I kind of gravitate towards.
And so I finally heard the one song that she does with Bonnie
Bear. I can't remember it off the top
of my head. Um, it's like Andrea, how does
what's it called? It's like the one like I think
I've seen this film before and Ididn't like the ending to

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remember the. OHP now I've now song titles
like Escape My Mind when I have just the lyrics in my head.
But yes. Yes anyways that particular
Bonnie verse song. So I listened to that and was
like oh snap OK this is pretty good.
And then Exile yes. So Exile had me kind of in a
chokehold and then so I just decided to go through the whole

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2 albums because by the time I checked them out, like both
albums had been out and I reallyloved them both.
And then I just kind of spammed those a lot for several months.
And then I think by then it was just I think the arrestor was
sort of like being announced or something and that that she was
possibly going. You missed a lot of albums.

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Oh no, no, for sure. Like I literally only jumped in
for that. And then, OK, so I don't really
know the time frame, but it was like I jumped in for that.
And then I decided to check out midnight and I didn't mind
midnights at all. And then like the Air is tour
was like coming. And I think by then we had
luckily managed to get our handson some tickets.
So then I started working my waybackwards to like go through the

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discography and prepare for thistour.
I like all of her music, I wouldsay, but I would say that
Folklore Nevermore, definitely my favorite albums.
And I also really, what I reallyhelped me get into it is all of
just sort of the lore and the like little Easter eggs.
Like once you start getting intoyeah, like once you start
getting into the fun, like side stuff of like in this music

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video, like this is a reference to this and that's reference to
that. Like that's where I'm really
starting to enjoy it and stuff. So it's been very fun.
But I'm very much a new baby Swifty so I don't know as much.
As I should but. The Lord is what I wanted to
have you guys on because like you guys are very, very deep
into that like stores like deeper than Dark Souls lore.

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It's fucking nuts. People are insane with the stuff
like everyone knows like who each song is about like if it's
a breakup song with this specific actor, musician,
something that like everyone knows so many different things
and the theory crafting is fucking insane.
Like the like it's like all the others were fans.
They have like, you know, like you know these like cork boards

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always like red string tying everything together like.
Tracking absolutely, absolutely.And the memes are meming, man.
Like the memes are so good. It's very fun.
Like, I don't you don't get to see a lot of Arcade Fire memes
out there or yeah, memes out there, but.
They're like, they're like. Teeth with memes.
I would say the kpop memes, Oh my God are they great.

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Like there are a lot of fun. Well, and then the air is tour
itself, just like led to so manylike inside jokes cause you had
literally millions of people like not just the ones that were
at whatever show that given night, but everyone like live
streaming around and like all the reels that would pop up like
the next day or the Tik Toks. I'm too old for TikTok, so I get
all my memes through reels. And like, that's one of the

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things that I actually regret looking back because I had Debut
and Fearless just on iTunes, andI didn't realize how much I was
missing out on, like those earlyEaster eggs.
Because, like, one of her favorite things to do was in the
liner notes, like capitalize certain letters, like throughout
the liner notes and in the lyrics.
And so it was like a little kindof puzzle game for Swifties to

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play. They weren't even called
Swifties at the time back in my day when we had onions tied to
our belts. And.
As was the fashion and people gothrough and circle the
capitalized letters that would be like a phrase kind of hidden
in there. And she was really active, you
know, in terms of like, social media and kind of cultivating
those, like, direct friendships with fans that I didn't really

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hook into quite yet because I wasn't, I was listening to the
music, but I wasn't really, like, on an Internet fandom,
partially because I was living abroad and, like, my weekends
were spent, you know, popping toParis or like, popping over to
Italy or something. Yeah.
Fancy, fancy over here. On the Internet.
And so it wasn't until I think it was Speak Now, that was my

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first actual hard copy physical CD.
And I kind of flipped through it.
I didn't really pay attention, but then I started realizing
like, oh, there's like stuff in here.
And so even though I've been a Taylor Swift fan for a really
long time, I didn't really get into like the lore until like
1989 cause that album slapped hard.

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I love that album. It's such a good, I am
definitely a 1989 girly. And the one bummer thing is,
Brian, I think you gave me the physical copy for my birthday
that year. And I don't know where that CD
is. It has gone missing it.
I don't know where in the universe it is.
It's like the one physical copy I don't have.

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I own it. I just don't know where in the
world it has gone to, but like Ijust, I don't like would have
burned a hole in that CD. I listened to it so, so much
cause it was still kind of before streaming and stuff.
And yeah, so I kind of missed out on those early years of
Laura. But like 1989 is what like
snapped me back and like really got me to pay attention to what

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she was doing because she had just completely pivoted from
doing like anything kind of country themed.
And like, even by Red, the connection to country was like
pretty tenuous. Like Red was a pop album.
Even Speak Now is like a pop album with a little bit of twang
to it. Like I say that you know, even
by Fearless you kind of left thecountry realm.

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Like had acoustic guitar still and a little bit of twang.
But yeah, 1989 was just like pure, pure synth pop, like not a
trace of country left in it. So it just had this like,
superstardom attached. And people started like,
following her like way more. And it wasn't just the hardcore
fans from the beginning. It was like everyone knew.

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And it got pretty intense. And then, yeah, reputation.
I didn't get totally on board with that one because I was.
It's so. Good.
It is so good. It is so good.
But I was in a different place in my life.
Like I went to go, I was doing field work for my PhD in the
Yukon, like chasing squirrels and an off grid camp that had no
access to Internet. And so like when that came out,

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like we just like I wasn't in that brain space like because I
was so busy and like focused on,I don't know, squirrels really.
And so I, it's not that I didn'tlike the album, but like I
basically just had 1989 and I like was hooked on it.
I was so addicted to it and I listened to reputation here and
there, but like didn't really fully get totally back into it

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until like lover came out and then I kind of caught.
Up his he also just seems to getmore and more popular too.
Like the Heirs tour is like a cute culture phenomena like that
tour broke like every financial records there ever is for
concert tour, like every single record.
Like she so she made a concert film, which we're talking
clearly. So the concert film was filmed

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across three shows in August of 2023 at a Sofi Stadium in Los
Angeles, directed by Sam Wrench,who he also concert films for
BTS, Billy Eilish, Lizzo, Blur, Brandi Carlile.
So it's a very cinematic concert.
It's very it's a huge spectacle.I guess the best describe it.
There's a giant stage there, something at shaped stage with a
like a kind of a computer panel on it, which changes across the

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entire as night goes on, as eachsong goes on.
There's different things happening on the on the floor
the entire time as well as of course, you know, space screen
at the back there, bands to bothsides there.
So it's a huge spectacle of a concert with like, a lot of like
choreograph dance moves back up dancers.
The elevator stage is the elevator stage.
Is yeah, it goes yeah. So it's a huge, huge spectacle.

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So it's kind of like, you know, a see to believe it kind of
thing. And like so like it got bigger
and bigger and bigger. So like eventually good for us,
they now somehow came shows in Toronto.
So we got to see one of the Toronto nights.
We saw an 8 two in Toronto, which one of the final nights of
her show because you did the Toronto shows, there's like 4
Vancouver shows and that was theend of the tour.

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So we saw at the very end of thetour.
So like we lucked out with Ticketmaster.
We would get a batch of four tickets.
They're very hard to get. I think I remember reading that
like pretty like million people trying to get tickets for this,
these concerts in Canada and like that's the population of
Canada. So like.
Bananas. Absolutely insane.
Absolutely insane. Shadow 2 our friends Debbie, who

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was kind enough to sell us her tickets because she has the
world's best luck and managed toscore tickets for the Toronto
show and for the I think Detroitshow because she went and saw
them the arrestor earlier and I think June in Detroit.
So she's we're super lucky. To like everything.

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Truly. Considering how easy this fucked
over by taking mass on the pricing, we didn't get fucked
over. The pricing takes like 170 bucks
which is pretty good like. Wait like they were capital
romance ticket they. Romance.
Yeah. They were cheaper than my stray
kids tickets for sure, although I was closer to stray kids but
still like. Yeah, pretty high up overall,

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but it was actually not bad because we got to kind of see
the whole the whole stage, the whole spectacle of it.
So like, yeah, I feel like we got to see like, you know,
everything on the stage there. Whereas if you were very close
up to the stage, you would see Taylor Swift coming to you for
like a couple of parts of a set or something, but you would see
the whole spectacle. I wanted to see Mastermind with

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the stage because of the chess board thing like that was I knew
there was a lot going on. But yeah, seeing the stage like
that way in the five hundreds atthe Rogers Centre, I think we
honestly had perfect seats. Like I wouldn't have changed it
for anything. It was affordable.
It got us tickets. Like I think if we were vying

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for ones closer, we probably wouldn't have got tickets at
all. So I think our strategy of just
like go high and get in the building right?
And honestly, I like those seatsso much that I sat basically 2
sections over when I went to My Chemical Romance because I was
like, I know that I am going to enjoy it.
I am now in my mid 30s and don'tactually want to be standing the

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India your fantasy seats and andbeing able to kind of see
everything from above. Like I I, I was really happy
with our seats. I think just as a side note, I
think what it was cool about sitting so high is not only do
you get to see the floor show oflike the actual stage and what

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she's stepping on and how it's interacting with her and the
dancers, but also since we're sohigh up and there's not, there
weren't very many fans behind us.
The fact that the all of our bracelets were synced to
particular songs to turn into like hearts and a snake like
twisting around the fans and this and that around the like
the stadium. You don't really catch that if

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you're closer to like the stage and also like watching this
concert movie. I like didn't really notice it
that much like for the not to jump ahead, but for the like
when she does the song lover, right, is that yeah, that's what
it's called. Like certain bracelets are not
everybody's but certain ones turn like pink and they make the

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shape of a heart and it's super cute.
But you are not going to notice that if you're closer because
you're just not going to see thepeople behind you slash in this
particular movie like you don't because I was like keeping an
eye out for that and I didn't really notice it that well and
like the background so. Well, and for me, this was the
first time that I'd actually done something in a big crowd

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since before COVID. I hadn't even been to a movie
theatre until I went to see Eras.
So like I hadn't been to any live music.
I hadn't been to any movie theatres even.
So I hadn't completely been apart from like crowd
experiences until that show. And like there isn't any other

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show that I've been at that has such an intense crowd
experience. And not just the energy of the
crowd itself, but like you said,like the lights and everything
too. Like for me, I think that moment
in time, like finally feeling like I could be around other
people and like be part of something bigger, being able to
see all of that around me, like seeing the whole crowd I think

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was a huge part of that too for me.
Like I ended up seeing Bruce Springsteen like 4 days later in
Edmonton. So like, it was pretty quick to
like, you know, kind of break that down.
But I mean, and, and Springsteenaudiences are a totally
different beast, right? Like you have so many diehard
fans that have been fans for decades and decades, but the
Taylor Swift air show, like there's the the outfits and the

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lights and the wristbands and the everything.
And yeah, comparing that to the concert film, like you just
missed that crowd experience. But the concert film.
And I think that's partially whytoo.
Like I had the up close experience with the concert film
and like we have a projector screen downstairs, like 4K
projection. So like the first time I saw it

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was like, I mean, I know a lot of people went to movie
theatres, but again, I didn't goto a movie theatre until like
honestly earlier this year. And so being able to like see
her up close in the concert film, like that's great.
And then I kind of got the wholecrowd experience at at the show
itself. And so like kind of the best
both worlds, I'm happy with it. Yeah, so more about the health

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food is made so so Taylor Swift production company produced the
film independently during the major in the SAG after strike
they got special approval from the union to do so.
A very quick turn around. So she announced the film on
August 31st and it released on October 13th of 2023.
It was fascinating about this movie at least production of it
is that she completely skipped producer, distributor, exhibitor

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model. So she negotiated movie theatres
directly for the release. So got released exclusively
through AMC United States. I know playing Canon Cineplex
because I remember hearing some of the set list while I was
seeing Killers of the Flower Moon and a very poorly
soundproofed IMAX, which is, youknow, yeah, tragic story about

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genocide. But uh, yeah, here's a here's
some fearless playing. After God.
And yeah, because of the sudden appearance of the film
multiplexes, could you do studios like map out when they
want it leases to happen, like ayear in advance?
Months in advance. A lot of distributors push back
their release dates for films the last minute.

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This is the same year as Barb and Heimer.
That was early in the summer, like Barbie and Oppenheimer.
So the hashtag Extra Swift went viral because the film Exorcist
Believer was coming at the same time.
So a lot of these got pushed back a few months or like
several months. That movie actually got pushed
forward a week. So you can actually play at the
same time as Taylor Swift Air Store.
Incredible. Get that, Get that leg.

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Yeah, the movie did not do well.No surprise.
Another thing this movie is the popcorn bucket was a huge
concession item. Oh.
Yes, yes, yes, yeah. So fancy didn't see the movie in
the theatre. We're trying to get their little
brother who lived across the country to buy a bucket for
them. Yeah, I.
Got the bucket and the cup. Yeah.

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Cause yes, I go to movies all the time.
So like I was going to Cineplex is going like, you know, Lambert
Cinema Madison was trying to find any place that had any
merchant, any of the buckets allcouldn't find anything till
December. Like I saw a boy, the boy in the
hair and I was able to get a bucket then, but I was like 2
months afterwards. So like, I think we were just
buying them up completely or like they didn't.
Oh yeah. They were, they were, I'm

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showing up on eBay absolutely. Like people were hoarding them
and just trying like resellers are just so cruel to us fans.
Like they were just walking up and.
Yeah, all the way that I got thecop was again, like, I like
movies. We watch a lot of movies at
home, but again, we've got a really sick home theatre.
Like the sound system is awesome.

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It's a 4K projector. We have our couch that reclines
and it's electrified. So there's even like outlets
built into the couch to charge your phone.
Like I've got a bathroom right there, I have my full pantry
full of snacks, the fridge is right here.
What your pets are at. Home like your pets are in at
the theatre. Like exactly they can sit there
and like snuggle up and like forthe.

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Fear to avoid my pet because my dog is very annoying.
Like my cats, Well, now just unfortunately 1 cat.
But yeah, I mean, so for us, like, it's more about like
hanging out and watching the movie and, you know, that sort
of thing versus the total escapism experience.
But. But what I miss the most about

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the movie theatre is the popcorn.
I love the popcorn. And earlier in the pandemic, we
actually like skipped in like skip the dishes in popcorn from
Cineplex. And he was like, oh.
Yeah, that's how you do it, man.But like that is we were like,
we're saving all this money by not going to the theatre.
What's dropping $25 on popcorn once in a while and then we

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later on, I still don't do it that often.
Maybe do it once or twice a yearkind of thing.
When I'm really, really craving the popcorn is literally just
drive to the cineplex. It's like a 151015 minute drive
from our house. I just go in and I buy the
popcorn and then I buckle it up in the front seat of my car and
I drive home. God, that is where.
Absolutely. Absolutely.

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And so you have. That's the joys.
And none of you people. None of the screaming children,
none of the like. Nicer.
Bathrooms at home. Exactly, it's all of the perks.
And so I went when the Irish tour was in theatres but they
sold out of the buckets. But they still had the cups.
So I got the combo and I just got popcorn in a bag.

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But I got the cup. And then of course my darling
baby brother managed to get me the popcorn bucket too.
So now I do have I can decorate the table with the fancy shit
crafty methods across province crafting methods.
And like I was reading with the whole popcorn Booker thing that
this got studios start thinking about like all we can like
because like popcorn bucket has always been a thing.

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Like, you know, Mark, you know, especially popcorn bucket from
movies always been a thing for at least a couple of decades.
But the restart thinking more and more about like, you know,
we can actually make this to a pretty big product.
So five months later you get theDune Part 2 fuckable worm
popcorn bucket. OK, sorry, as an aside, can I
just chime in because this is don't let me spiral however.
The worm popcorn bucket. No, I didn't, but I'm gonna call

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out Cineplex in Canada because they have dropped the ball on
all of the fun popcorn buckets. Absolutely.
They came out. James Yeah.
Barbie came out and it was like the movie theatres in Brazil.
The like popcorn bucket was thisshell this like this like hot
pink seashell. There was like a purse thing.

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The popcorn buckets in America were great in in in England they
were amazing and in Canada they were ass.
I had to special I I didn't evenget a popcorn bucket.
I had to special order from Cineplex's website, one of the
novelty like cups. It was horrible.
And for this arrest tour in America and I think in England,

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well the popcorn buckets were made out of like 10 and they
were hot pink on the inside and the freaking Cineplex ones
offered to us in Canada were like shitty black plastic.
Like it was, I'm so happy I got one, but it was so disappointing
of just like, do you not like making money?
Like why are you not hamming it up and having cooler stuff for
us because we will gladly pay for it.

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Like what are you doing? Fans love being financially
dominated. Absolutely like.
Replay shit like take my money please.
Like things like skipping distributors and stuff like
that. She set the prices for the AMC
Theatres in the States. So an adult ticket was $19.89,
which is a reference to the album 1989.
Also, she was born and kids and seniors were $13.13 because she

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loves #13 because she was born in December 13th.
So like those are pretty expensive tickets for a movie
like flat across the. Board, But it's not just a
movie. But.
It's experience. OK, I will say wait, I'll try
and then I'll chime in with thisbecause what was lovely about
just this whole thing, since it was impossible to get tickets,
was like the whole air is tour is just straight up an

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experience. Like you get together, you make
the friendship bracelets, you trade with strangers.
It's like a whole community. And what was so lovely of like
bringing not just the movie to streaming but also to theatres
was that people were just makingbracelets to go to out to the
theatre and trade with other people there and the theatre.
And so it's like you didn't feelas kind of like you didn't feel

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as bummed out for not being ableto score concert tickets because
you still got that really lovelyexperience of like community
with other Swifties, which like,I've never experienced that
until I got into Kpop, but I've never experienced that going to
concerts. And Oh my God, did it make the
Aristor so much better. Like it was just, yeah,

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incredible. Like it to another 1-2.
There were only the four more Toronto nights and then the
three Vancouver shows. Like we were very close to the
end and so by the time it hit usit was like literally 2 years of
eras build up and lore. And like, not only everything
that led up to the air's tour, but like everything within the

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air is tour. Inside jokes and you know the.
Fact that the tortured poet set you know I can do it with a
broken heart is like about the arrest who are but is in the air
like it's it's crazy. It's about the earth, but it's
in the air as tour and it's so self referential and like, yeah,
the community aspect of it all Ithink has been the most fun.

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That being said, there's clearlysome like very unhinged Swifties
out there that like. Take things too.
Far and are way too invasive to her privacy and things like that
and very vicious and like attackother people.
But I'd say for the most part, like most of the fandom is like
quite fun. Movie pod fans, please go all in
and go absolutely insane on my behalf, please.

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You need to drop more Easter eggs in the.
Podcast Yeah, I did a couple little Easter egg.
I said like, hey, like, you know, there's a post on Blue
Sky. Like here's a bonus episode of
season finale, we popping up andthe end of an era.
You know, it's like down there. I like it.
Ah, yeah, so let's crack into the movie itself.

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So so go Sofi Stadium, which is where the, you know, the Los
Angeles Chargers lose games. Yeah, so we crack into the movie
and you know, we see some like shellfish type things popping up
or like. Like oh seashell things, sorry.
Before that. Start the biological side.
Did you know that there is a species of scallop?

(28:32):
Forget what it's called, it's like something swift eye and it
is a species of scallop that hasalmost the identical patterning
and colouring on it that those giant shell slate shell shaped
were tongue twister sails that open the lover era.
Have I? Shouldn't do that on purpose,

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you think? I wouldn't put it past.
Thing is that the, that the scallop was not named after
Taylor Swift. It has been, it was named and
described like, I think like about 100 years ago.
So that is like just digging into some deep technical
biological phenomenon. And as a biologist, I'm a big
fan of like just the, the, the resemblance is uncanny.

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Like there's no way that wasn't on purpose.
Oh, I like that. So after we see these like fans,
like shells going up, back and forth, we're introduced to our
hero and it's Taylor Swift. She has very long legs.
Like, Oh my God, normally I don't like to comment on other
people's bodies, but Oh my gosh,the first time I saw her on

(29:36):
stage and it was there. As to her, despite being a fan
for so long, I'd never been to atour before.
My first reaction was like, Oh my God, those legs did it.
OK, as sorry as to sort of bringit back a little bit.
The concert movie starts with the little countdown from 13

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seconds. And I think that's such a cute
touch because when you actually are at the show, it's like this
huge clock that I think starts at like 3 minutes and you get
super, super, super hype as it'scounting down.
And it was really nice to like add that touch at the very
beginning of this concert movie because it's like, Oh yeah, you
very much like are starting to feel what people who were in the

(30:19):
actual like audience was feeling.
And I thought that was cute. I really liked.
That and the song You Don't Own Me by Dusty Springfield.
Which, OK, if we're gonna kind of nerd out on the lore here,
first of all, there's a lot of connections and parallels
between Taylor Swift and Dusty Springfield.
And she is a. Fan of Dusty Springfield, so
that's interesting to note. And I remember some of the kind

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of discourse around how Taylor Swift's hair looked like on the
speak Now Taylor's version albumcover where she's in the purple
dress and she's looking over hershoulder and kind of like by her
head is like her hair is just kind of weirdly shaped there.
And if you actually go back to like there's a famous photo of
Dusty Springfield, it might actually be an album cover.
I'm not that into Dusty Springfield to know, but it

(31:02):
basically mimics her hair exactly.
That's so cute. It's Dusty Springfield's song.
I, you don't own me, that is thesong that is behind the
countdown before the Air is tour.
So both in the concert film and in the move or in the actual
tour itself. And of course You don't own me.

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The whole idea behind the Air istour in the 1st place was to
make oodles of money so that shecould buy back her masters.
That was like, you know, ultimately her goal all along
was to always own her own music and kind of stick it to Scooter
Braun at all by saying you don'town me.
And through the Eras Tour and through all of the Taylor's
version variants of the albums that she ended up rerecording

(31:45):
and putting out, she was able tobuy back her masters.
And now she owns her own craft. So like, there's just so much
meta referencing going on. It's so cool.
Iron. I don't know.
I don't keep up on that. Was the city Sweeney?
Yes, yes, OHS such a weird. Couple they met Jeff Bezos's

(32:08):
wedding. Yeah, fucking insane.
Yeah. So yeah.
So the so like the way the concert is like broken up is
that she's program of various eras, so different albums that
just popped out and stuff. So like it's very much a clear
visual aesthetic that changes each time.
So to start off with a Lover Air, which songs from Lover and
the first song they play is a Cruel Summer right?

(32:30):
No, no, it's just. Americana and the Heartbreak.
Prince, Yeah. Because it blends in from the
It's been a long time coming That shows up in that little
intro piece as they're coming into it.
And then she emerges from the Swifty shells to been a long
time coming. It's you and me.
That's my whole world. And she's so she doesn't do the
whole song, but she slips into part of it.

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And then that's when she cracks into Cruel Summer.
Which OK, this of the movie and of the tour this era, I would
say like the outfit of this era lives in my head rent free
because the glittery, glittery sparkly bodysuit and the boots
and especially her like bangs and hair give me such Sailor

(33:13):
Scouts Sailor Moon vibes. It's crazy.
Like it like she just throw a little throw little like tiara
on her forehead and she would belike another Sailor Scout.
I am obsessed. I love it so much.
I love it so much and it's like what what?
What is fun with the Aeros tour?And I guess so it's like, since

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it was like going on for like a good year and a half or however
long, it's like people were streaming the concerts, right?
And there were like, literally there were like games you could
play of like Mastermind, Mastermind, Right, right, right.
You where you could like, guess what outfit?
Yeah. And guess what outfit colour she
would be wearing for tonight's show or tomorrow's show or

(33:59):
whatever. Because there was.
Angering body soon, yeah. Yeah.
Our bodysuit. Like there was just so, so it's
like, I love just very much how she, her and her team clearly
tried to make like each sort of each concert day that they were
doing, like trying to make it more special because it's like,

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oh, like I saw her in like her outfit was different than like
the other guy's outfit. So it was like a little bit more
special to me. And it's just like doing little
things like that, I think reallyadds to just kind of like the
love people feel for like the whole thing because it's just
like, OK, well, you. Got into it.
You cared enough to make this particular show special and not

(34:42):
cookie cutter like every single other one, if that makes sense.
Except with the bonus songs likeare the surprise songs.
It's the same set list, free show.
But the fact that Taylor Swift fans are so into like, the
little differences, the little hints, little secrets that
become special because if you'redeep into the Phantom, deep into
what she's up to, you're like, oh, the difference between a

(35:04):
body suit, actually the colour of a body suit, like that
actually is special for the fandom.
Or like the colour of the guitarthat she uses.
For like the Koi fish guitar, like yeah, lover guitar.
There's actually a post that went on Reddit a few months ago
now and it pointed out that for every single show of the entire

(35:25):
arrest tour for the two year runthat it had, there was something
unique about every single one ofthem.
And so the night that we went, so Toronto night 2, one of her
backup singers. So the Starlights are her backup
singers, and I forget the name of who it was, but she had been
out with an illness for a littlewhile.
And people were like, kind of wondering, like, is she OK?

(35:46):
Is she coming back? And she made her return our
night. So that sort of marked our
night, you know, In addition to the surprise songs, we had the
Peter Evermore mashup. Oh my God, Oh my God.
Oht. Good.
It was so good and regularly makes it those rankings of one
of the best mashups so getting. To release the tapes.

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Special. But also like little things like
that of like, you know, it was the first time this one backup
singer that had been gone for quite awhile returned.
And like, that was something I didn't know about till later
because I wasn't necessarily paying attention, although in
retrospect I should have been. But yeah, I'll try to dig that
up and share it with you becauseit went through like every

(36:28):
single show. And what made it a little bit
different or a little bit more unique compared to all the
other. And like that on top of all of
the outfit changes and everything was super cool.
And it's like she coordinated all of her jewelry to like all
of the new, the different coloured outfits and stuff like
that. And what's nice about the
concert movie is since it's likezoomed in and stuff, you can

(36:51):
really get a good close look andan appreciation for shit like
your necklaces and you're like accessories all match and like
seamlessly work really nice withthe little outfits and shoes
that you're wearing and stuff like that.
And it's just so nice. I don't.
Know they put so much care into the craft, literally every
single detail and I. Think and the microphones like

(37:13):
you can really see how it's likeevery because I think it's like
all the mic stands and microphones are tailored to each
era and so it's like the lover is like pastels, Blues and
pinks. So it's like hello, I'm all in
on that. So it's just like getting to see
that all of those nice little details like in this movie was

(37:33):
just. So great.
Also just the adrenaline of likethe night of like I'm so glad
that there is the concert film to like come back to you.
And every time I watch it, I watch like a different backup
cancer or a different singer to see like kind of what they're
doing. Cause I've watched it like I
don't know how many Times Now. Yeah.
But yeah, I don't know, like that moment that she comes out,

(37:54):
Miss Americana, Heartbreak Prince and then.
It gives you it gives you chills, doesn't not like it.
Literally like rewatching it forthis I got goosebumps cause I
was like Oh my God. It's so good.
And then it cuts into the man, which is sounds like it's gonna
be like a power pump up song. And it makes me cry every time.
Because if you're a woman, you know, you know, you know.

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And also I'll say. Also for like the what I never
noticed in the streams or while I was there, which I'm thankful
for this movie for, was all the little like facial expressions
that they do in one part of the man where all the guys get
together and like act like kind of wild and.
Weird face on the yeah. I completely missed that, like

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you know what I mean? So it's it's nice to see the,
the details in like the choreography and stuff like that
that you very much like miss when you are blacked out, like
experiencing it IRL, you know what I mean?
Like. Yeah.
Yeah, the man too. Like that, that has like a
pretty impressive set up close to the screen there where it's

(39:01):
like, you know, they have littledesks and stuff.
So it's like almost like a business environment.
People are coffee mugs and papers and everything.
So it's like pretty much like a girl somewhere, like the
mainstage and everything elevator, but like the man is
like, oh, that's another elaborate that happening too.
And the fascinating seeing the concert too.
You don't really know the stage transitions happen because your

(39:23):
eyes directed to one spot of theshow.
So you're missing a lot of thesecrazy elaborate stage stage
transitions. Stage transitions happening.
Well, and I know when it startedinto the the evermore said and I
knew like when I was off the show, like I wanted to see how
they snuck these freaking trees onto the stage.

(39:46):
And so I was watching like I wasliterally trying to watch for
it. But they do so much and it's
pure magic in in the way that it's classic magic where it's
like they're getting you to looksomeplace else.
They're getting you to pay attention to something else.
And so then all of a sudden whenthey want to show you that
they've just moved a whole bunchof trees out of nowhere onto the
stage, they're there. And so even when you're

(40:09):
physically trying to train your eye and like watch for things
like the folklore cabling and showing up and things like that.
Like it's hidden and it's, again, just masterful
production, not only from the movie point of view, because
it's easy to hide things or highlight things in the movie.
It's much harder to pull off on stage.
And I mean, that's why you have,you know, critically acclaimed

(40:30):
Broadway shows that like, just pull off that magic.
It's that magic, the kind of like stage presence and just the
production value of this kind ofshow on its own.
Yes. Is there anything else in the
lover area area we want to talk about?
I mean, you need to calm down. I feel like you just have to
mention it because it's so good and.
Then you're saying every song isso good though.

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It's so good. It's actually not one of my
favorites, but that one was the first song that I really
appreciated. The whole bracelets thing in the
crowd. Like that one really highlighted
the bracelets, which I thought was kind of cool because it made
you realize, hey, you should also be paying attention to
what's going around you and not just.
In front of hand waving and that's.
What was what was really fun is like, OK, so after sort of like

(41:16):
eras, like after enough concertshave happened, like sort of
these little traditions started happening, right?
So it's like for the like you need to calm down.
It doesn't she go like, let me see your hands and like
everyone's like waving and stufflike that.
And then like 123, let's go, bitch.
Office. You know what I mean?
Yeah, like it's like. So anyways, I think it's the

(41:38):
first of the of the set list of like where it's like the
audience interaction kind of thing like that, right?
So you need to calm down. Like you know when I'm doing
something like even dishes, if I'm listening to fearless, I
have to put down what I'm doing to make the heart hands like.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do it.
And of course when we saw the show, we did not get the Archer

(42:03):
cause it was taken out to make room for tortured poets, but it
and it was taken out of the original version of the movie,
but it was put in at the end in the Taylor's version of the
movie. So the Archer is good, but I
feel like after lover like it really slows things down.
And I'm kind of, as much as I love the song and it's
beautiful, I'm glad that it got nixed and moved Fearless up and

(42:26):
kept the vibe going before putting us to, like, sleep with
two songs that are kind of on the slower side.
Yeah, but Fearless like it goes.Right to the song Fearless in
the Fearless era too. This song I well, this album, it
was very hard because like I wasplanning my wedding, which was
in the fall of 23. And so naturally it was like
trying to fight making every single song that Taylor Swift

(42:49):
song. But I was kind of fighting
between either having like Fearless or Love Story as the
aisle song and ultimately Love Story and specifically a piano
strings cover of Love Story blended with Taco Bells Canon
was our aisle song. But Fearless has always had kind
of a soft spot. And I mentioned like listening

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to Fearless when it came out when I was living abroad and
like having Fearless, the song kind of hits like there's just
like some deep connections to like my personal life and like
what that song made me feel at the time and then what it's made
me feel in the full over a decade, well over a decade since
was just like an absolute joy tosee.
And like her, you know, the dresses that she had for that

(43:33):
era on the show were like reallyfun.
All the glitter, gold and. Really too?
Yeah, just fun. And she was, like, doing her
dances like she did because she's like never been a dancer.
She is a songwriter through and through.
And she's fully acknowledged that she is like, her words are
like an awkward baby giraffe, but she's learned to work with

(43:53):
it and just like, lean into whather.
Just embrace it. Play it like doing her little
like kind of booty shake and like.
Her shimmies. Yeah, she's just owning it and
having fun and like, seeing her really embrace that and the
fearless era at the Eras Tour instead of, like, trying to make
it work, because she's trying tomake it big.
Like she knows it's big, she knows who she is.

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She's got that confidence and she just leans into it and pulls
it off and it's phenomenal. Fearless, You Belong with Me and
Love Stories. It's just three songs in this
specific era. Yeah, but they're so good.
You belong with me. Such a bop.
Like the underlying message of it.
I'm like, oh, don't be a pygmy girl.

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But like, it's just catchy and like, who hasn't felt that at
some point? And yeah, it's just like a
really fun little song. And then the transition right
into Love Story is really good too.
Like, Oh my, doesn't miss a beat.
It just goes right into it. And like, then they're walking
down the catwalk, like towards you singing Love Story.
And that one obviously gets me. I have a lot of sentimental

(44:58):
memories I guess attached to that song now, but seeing that
one kind of live and I know likeLove Story was one that really
hit big. I think it was one of her bigger
songs that kind of hit outside of her kind of original fan base
and made her quite big. Yeah, her first huge song that
wasn't really truly country. That was.

(45:18):
What was that song that like Oh our song I think it was like our
song and then love story where the 1st 2 like Taylor Swift
songs I ever heard like at 1st and holy moly like did they slap
like absolute boss love story like it gives me like as silly
as I feel saying it, but it likeit gives me goosebumps like the

(45:39):
ending of it and I literally I literally tear up.
I literally tear up every singletime.
I started crying listening to iton the drive to the concert.
Luckily I kept my cool at the concert and didn't cry during
it, but it's just the whole time, just like I just thought
song hits so right. And especially if like if you're
like a softie and you love love,like Oh my God, just I love it

(46:02):
so much. I timed.
My like me coming out to walk down the aisle to like that key
change. Brilliant.
Another time it just hits. And then there's the pride and
choreographed. Like the timing of everyone
walking down the aisle to like the transitions in the song.
Art. It's just so sweet.

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Yeah. And like, it's funny because
when I think of Fearless in the areas who are like, I'm like,
no, there's gotta be more songs than that.
But like, it's not. It's just, it just hits so well.
It's honestly perfect. There's a few more songs that I
like on that album that would have been cool to see, but for
the sake of the. She puts like 40 songs is like
40 songs in this movie. 44. 44 that's insane.

(46:48):
That's a lot of songs for like it's a long concert, right?
The conscious like 3 hours long.Like, yeah, yeah. 3 1/2 hours
even if. It was a long show.
Balanced and timed and the way that they would dial her mic
down, what she doesn't need to be the strongest singer or the
mix of the slower songs where she can sit or she can stand

(47:08):
versus the more athletic ones where she's like working hard.
They did that. I mean, first of all, she was so
fit for this. Like her workout schedule
leading up for was absolutely bonkers.
And so she she was in top sheet to pull all this off.
But then the show itself was very carefully crafted to, like,

(47:30):
make sure that she just didn't die.
Yeah, yeah. You.
Know you can tell like why the show could not go on forever
because like how could you physically do this that many
nights forever? I mean, even her dancers didn't
do as much left, you know, they,they worked hard and they're
professionals and I love watching them.
But yeah, this was the. Dancers like, especially like

(47:55):
the dancers became low celebrities themselves too.
Things like, you guys know that dancers by name you.
Guys, so answers on Instagram. Yeah, the one guy Cam Cam
Saunders, I think is the last name and he to tie into her
fiance now, Travis Kelsey. So he's the older brother of an

(48:15):
NFL player right now who I thinkplays for the Jags.
Wasn't he on the Chiefs though? I don't know enough about that.
I just like looked him up earlier today, like Cameron's
brother, and it was like, OK, hecurrently plays for the Jags, so
I don't know if he did play for the Chiefs, but.
Yeah, he used to play for the Chiefs.

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He won two Super Bowls, the Chiefs.
So his brother is a Kaylin Saunders.
He's a defensive tackle. He was on season 2019-2020, 2
won two Super Bowl rings, then played for the Saints.
Disgusting plays the Jacksonville Jaguars.
Yeah. So there's like a really cool
connection there, too. And yeah, like, they're also
just like, I don't know, the dancers are so incredibly

(48:58):
talented, like, just so good at what they do.
And also what I appreciate is like she didn't just get a whole
bunch of dancers that had like, those kind of like idealized,
like dancer bodies. Like, yeah, they're all
beautiful, all super hot, but like in their own way.
And there was like enough diversity in terms of like body
shape and that kind of thing too, like.

(49:20):
There was, there was good representation.
Do you know what I mean? Like and it's also lovely to see
in the sense of like, yes, you can be plus size and still
actually like keep up with this like big show, you know what I
mean? Like it's not like they were
doing any less, no. So it was very nice to sort of
like. Well, I feel like more people

(49:42):
than could see themselves like as part of this whole thing.
Like it wasn't this really loftyidealized like and she I mean,
she saw has song about things like expensive cars, you know,
the Range Rovers and the Jaguars, but she doesn't like
sing about it. Like that's what matters to her.

(50:02):
Like she's so much more focused on the human experience than
like the physical items. And she talks about, you know,
like loving you is like driving a new Maserati down a dead end
St. But you don't.
Have to know what a Maserati is.You get the sense that of the
feelings that she's trying to describe versus maybe some
artists that will focus more on like money and jetting around

(50:25):
places and that sort of lifestyle.
And part of like her appeal is that she's always kind of like,
even though she's a billionaire,even though she is like the most
famous person, I swear on the face of this Earth right now,
like still feels very accessibleno matter who you are and like
what you're going through because like she knows what the

(50:46):
human kind of condition is like.And so I think to like having
her cast, so the dancers and thesingers, not everyone is going
to be like, you know, a six foottall supermodel she is.
But you know, there's so many ways both lyrically, musically

(51:07):
and then visually in terms of the era show that people like
more people can see themselves in that kind of scenario or
whatever, which is really cool. Well, that's gonna be until the
next album drops, which is gonnacome the same day as this
episode, and it's just going to be a whole album of songs like
fucking bitches and making money.

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Well, that is the life of a showgirl.
As they say, fuck bitches get money.
One benefit about being based inSaskatchewan, which is currently
two hours behind Eastern Time, is that I only have to stay up
till 10:00 PM. Saying, oh that's so good in.
Bed by midnight, which still didn't change anything when
Torture Poets came out cause I was like great, that was an

(51:49):
amazing album. I was in bed by midnight, tucked
in ready to go to sleep, and then I woke up at like 4:00 AM
just to find out that she had dropped an entire other album. 2
in the morning. Maybe we should do it again.
Maybe. But I need to get my beauty
sleep. I'm getting too old, but we
should move on to evermore. Yeah, because this is where it

(52:09):
diverges then from like our experience versus the movie,
because in the movie and the original version of the air is
tour ever more in folklore were separate, whereas we got the
folklore kind of blend of the two.
But the movie, you know, is cooland it's a nice way to

(52:29):
experience some songs that we didn't experience like tis the
damn season. Which side note, I have a Muppet
Christmas Carol themed hoodie. I guess it's just a crew neck
and it's with The Muppets as thecast members in Muppet Christmas
Carol, which is the best Christmas movie of all time.
And then in like fancy kind of Christmas style writing says tis

(52:49):
the damn season. And it is my most favorite piece
of Muppet Taylor Swift crossovermaterial that I have and I want
more of it. And if anyone finds more Muppet
Taylor Swift collabs in some way, please.
Their mother, Miss Piggy. You know Miss Piggy is a Swifty.
Like, you know, you know, she, she loves the pits.

(53:11):
She loves all of it. I have never in my life
purchased something from an Instagram ad.
I had that in my cart and checked out I think 3 minutes
after I saw the first. Like I had never.
I normally have very like frugallike anti consumption, like
really try to consider all my purchases and the pros and cons

(53:33):
and do I need it and like where did it come from and
considerations from fast fashionand all of that went right out
the window. Taylor Swift fan because she
also like, you know, there's like 30 million versions of
every album too. She releases like all.
The different only get one version per album.
Like I for me, it's like I pick the one that I'm gonna get and
like for me, tortured poets, I got the bolter when that was the

(53:57):
first edition that came out. And then I have pre-ordered the
life of the showgirl that has it's like the Elizabeth Taylor
one because it's got the chain that has a Violet eye.
Oh. OK, necklace.
And I quite like Elizabeth Taylor.
I know she's like, there's so much like layering there, but I

(54:20):
think she's a fascinating character.
And so I'm really interested to see what that track is gonna be
like. And then out of like the charms
and stuff that came with that first drop of the new CD with
the new variants, I was like, oh, I think that's going to be
just neat. So that's the one that I
ordered. I haven't bought any of the
vinyls but also I have a birthday and Christmas coming up

(54:41):
so if anyone wants to get me a vinyl.
Intent, Brian. Take notes to be a good brother.
I'm taking notes. And I will be back home on my
birthday this year, so no excuses.
Oh yeah, good with that. Yeah, but yeah, anyways, moving
on from tis the temp Seaside Willow.

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Era so we like so like, you know, First off, we talked of
the trees earlier. So it was like a darkened set
there as much like green trees and stuff.
The floor is kind of blue is kind of like a more of a fantasy
kind of like almost like a medieval type thing.
So like people were like robes and stuff.
She has like a green Cape, a yellow dress.
Very witchy. I love it.

(55:25):
It's so great and I really like that this like this whole set.
I'm glad that in the movie it's sort of you get the like above
shot. Is that what you call it?
Like the aerial shot of the stage that they're walking on
with. Like all the little.
Don't like the wisps of the? Yeah.
Although like golden little, like lights under their like

(55:47):
feet and stuff. I thought that was so cute.
And like, you're not gonna get that if you're super close to
the stage, you know what I mean?You're gonna notice.
And they did such a cool job of bringing that feeling from the
music video into a real life stage thing.
And how none of them ever dropped an orb, I have no idea
because like, I can't even hold my cup of coffee without
dropping time. But it was nice seeing the orbs

(56:08):
up close, you know what I mean? Like I didn't.
You don't catch that. So it was nice to get that
detailed view of them to really examine the order.
At home I usually just pick up acat and like do the orb dance
with a cat in my hand instead. I see you send me videos of you
doing without your poor cats like.
Yeah, we love to in this house, but yeah, Willow is just such a

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cool song to see performed and Marjorie is just such a
beautiful song to like, follow that.
It breaks your heart, like it just chills and.
Tears in the eyes, the singing kind of, there's like a little
bit of a voice at the end that is Taylor Swift's grandmother

(56:54):
Marjorie singing. She was an opera singer and so
she actually brought in her own grandmother's voice into that
track and then brought it into the air as to her as well.
So when you hear that kind of ethereal, yeah, that is actually
Marjorie herself. So it's really, you know, kind
of touching to see Taylor performing alongside, like, the

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voice of her grandmother, who she's singing.
About like it literally gives you chills.
And then I think in folklore, because I think in ever more she
has Marjorie, which is about hergrandma.
And then in folklore, I forget the name of the song, but it's
about her grandpa and I think hewas like a doctor in the war or
something like that. Yeah.
Dang, I forget what this song iscalled.

(57:37):
I'll get back to you. But yeah, I find it very cute
that you wrote songs for her grandparents kind of thing.
You know what I mean? It's just very sweet.
Yeah. It's also funny that like all
types of fans can kind of like figure out the stuff to his
songs are about like make sure she talks about a little bit,
but also like, you know, the more gossipy things.

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Like people figured out what allsongs with her ex boyfriends are
like. People kind of piece things
together. They know her own personal life,
so they can kind of identify what the red scarf means kind of
thing. We'll get to that later on, of
course, but like. Oh, this song is called
Epiphany. Yeah, it's that's.
The one about her. Grandma actually listen to it
all that much? There's a few Taylor Swift songs
that like I can't listen to frequently.

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I'll at least like try to let them stream.
Especially Ronan cause Ronan raises money for trust.
But like Ronan, the song was written for a small child that
passed away from cancer and it is from the point of view of the
kids mom. And it's like the most heart
wrenching. Like I can't I can't I can't but

(58:43):
I will mute it and then let it stream to like raise the numbers
for it. But it's heartening.
And same with like soon you'll get like, there's just she knows
how to just destroy someone's soul.
Like Speaking of that, people inthe extra streams and like I've
seen Swifties on like Twitter and stuff talk about like, you

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know, they have multiple Spotifybecause they really want to like
make sure her she gets all the records in the world.
Which is such a weird way for meto consume like an artist is to
like like, you know, I get like trying to buy a lot of
merchandise, like the merchandise, but just like
trying to like give her the extra views as if she
desperately needs them because she's going to get these records

(59:25):
no matter what anyway. But like people kind of just
pumping up her numbers just because, you know, because
they're fan of, they really wantto like her to like have every
record imaginable because they think that she is the greatest.
So I think it's such a, it's A kind of fandom I don't really
understand to do that for. I mean, it's the kind of fandom
that allowed Taylor's versions and the rerecord project to

(59:47):
actually work, right? Like who?
On Earth, why would Yeah, that'sa very good point.
Yeah. Album.
Again, I and like the reason is like because you believe in what
she's doing and you support the vision and the project and you
know the production value and the vault tracks also go a long
way, but. There's some subtle differences,

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like her voice is just matured so much since some of those
early albums, which is why I'm so excited for the record of
debut to come out and. She sounds like a baby and our
song like a like a little. Child Oh, it's so cute.
It's so cute. It was like 1516.
Like I hear my voice when I was that young.

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And it's like, well, it's just different.
And I mean, and she's done so much more recording and
practicing and performing. Like she's just really honed in
her craft. But yeah, I mean the streaming I
don't have separate Spotify is, but I do just listen to her a
lot. Yeah, like what was your Spotify

(01:00:52):
say? Like she was like you're like
the top 0.1% of listeners. .51 year and I think I might have
been .1 last year. Part of that I think is just
because I kind of listened to her music exclusively from other
artists. Like I really, I think May of
last year I listened to a coupleof my like kind of summer
country rock playlists and then immediately went back to just

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like my mega Taylor Swift playlist that I made for myself.
Cause I visit you at West when midnight stropped and like I was
there for like, well, like 6-7 days and I think we only
listened to that album and. Nothing else.
Why would it goes? No, that's how it goes.
Like when an album hits, it hitsso right and goes.

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Well, I think, I think this episode is like, it's kind of
talking about different ways we enjoy music and such because
like I like, here's what's musica lot like enjoy, listen to it.
Like I've listened to torture poets like twice.
For me, OK, as someone, as someone with ADHD, it's very
much if a song hits, it's like Ilike if it's giving me that

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dopamine, I am going to listen to it like 14 times in a row
sort of thing. Like it's really just like
euphoric and so very much all the chokehold Kpop has had on
me, man. But it's like for Taylor, for
Taylor Swift, it's like very much like the odd songs or
whatever. It's like, Oh no, no, like I
stand the shit of that. And especially prepping for the

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Errors tour was like literally that the entire year leading up
to it was. I just exclusively listened to
the set list and like the extra songs that I like sort of thing.
Like, I was very much just obsessed and like, drowning
myself in preparation for, well,of course I wanna know lyrics to

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be able to sing along and this and that.
And as someone, yeah, sorry to ramble about that, but as
someone with, it's very much like, yeah, it's like if a song
hits, it's like, Oh no, I'm listening to that on repeat like
14 times in a, in the like a sitting.
And then it's like, I'll go on with my day and then listen to
it again like 12 more times. Like it's, I think that has to
do with also streaming because it's like, oh, some people are

(01:03:08):
kind of like streaming, but it'slike a fake thing.
And it's like, well, some of us are just like, no, we're kind of
like obsessed with this particular song.
We will be playing it on repeat like a million times over.
You know what I mean? Like it's yeah, sorry for that.
Just putting her music on shuffle alone, Like there's so
many genres and feelings and beats and that kind of thing.

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Like, I don't feel like I'm justlistening to one artist.
Like I'm listening to all kinds of different stuff, yeah.
Like reputation is so different from folklore evermore.
Like it's completely tonal shifts.
So it's really nice to just you get that variety, you know what
I mean? Exactly.
Champagne problems. I just have to say in the movie

(01:03:51):
when she's like, oh, what are you guys gonna do?
Like you're gonna like tour like5 albums.
And I was like, yeah, I'm gonna call it the Arrest tour.
And how none of us picked up that she had only released 4
albums that hadn't toured at that point.
Tricky. Tricky.
Literally told us that she had five albums that she hadn't
toured yet because so that wouldhave been Lover, Folklore,

(01:04:18):
Evermore and Midnights. But then she said 5.
So what's the fifth one? Why didn't anyone of us catch on
to that? She literally said five.
You can go back to the movie anddouble check.
Like every time I do, I'm like, oh, I can't believe we missed
that. And she's clearly dropping the
biggest hint. Look, there's another album
coming, just not named yet. And it was going to be torture

(01:04:39):
post department. So that little the champagne
problems kind of speech. And I know people had like beef
with like all the standing ovation goes on too long.
But like, you know, it's a nice moment and especially it's.
Basically where people applaud her in the concert because like
there's no other real even the end.
Just kind of like people like todo the final plat and
everything, but like. That she's off.

(01:05:00):
This is like like back in it, right?
And I don't blame her because she worked hard and the
performance of tolerate it, likeI'm really glad that that's
captured in the film. It would have been beautiful to
see. But again, that one got axed for
making. Tolerate is the one where it's
like. The table.
Kind of thing. You basically embodies being by

(01:05:22):
throwing everything off the table.
Yeah, but. It's the part where if I were to
rewatch the movie, that's when Igo get another drink or
something like. Ohhhhh no, that's that's your
piece. Song that's what you say it's
like oh, which ones your. Song.
Yeah. But then of course, it goes
slips into like, let's be serious, like the just bombastic

(01:05:44):
reputation. Ohm my God this era had so right
it was so much fun to me. This is OK.
If I was described reputation era, it would be 1989, but horny
as fuck. That is what reputation is.
It is so much fucking fun. They're all bops.
It's so poppy. It's so fun, but it's like

(01:06:05):
clearly like it's like just way sexier and I don't know, I just,
I love it. It's so much fun.
Fuck, there's so much that she achieved with this album, like
musically and like career wise and image wise and all of that,
that we could go into, but I won't because I do have a
timeline along. I can be here tonight.

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My reputation. I mean, as an album, the first
half is very like everything that people think that era is
about, like the breaking out of the mold and like the old
Taylor's dead and like the snakes and the imagery and the
revenge and everything. But the back half of the album
is like pure love songs, like beautiful, beautiful, like New

(01:06:46):
Year's Day makes me cry every time.
Call it what you want is just such a like an intimate song.
Like there's some really beautiful ones and even in the
Eric's tour, like she starts with ready for it, which is
like, Oh my God, a riot. Like she just owns the stadium
at that point. You can just tell that she's
like living for it. Like it's so powerful.

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But then decided to song like delicate.
That is just her on stage. It's just her and it's it's
beautiful and it's a very like intimate kind of sounding song
as well. And to slide from ready for it
into delicate and have it all make cohesive sense is like such
a craft. We gotta talk about outfits

(01:07:30):
though. Old hat suit and this is insane.
Apparently Roberto Cavalli designed this one in particular.
I don't know who decided to makethe microphone that really cool
stink thing, but kudos to them because the mic also slaps.
Oh. The outfit like is amazing and

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friends of ours were well friends of my partners were at
the show where she debuted the gold in on the discords people
refer to because you won't like all the other areas.
The she had variants of the outfits like love or show the
different body suits, fearless she had the different tassel

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dresses evermore there were justdifferent colours, that sort of
thing. Reputation was always the red
snake, black, black and red bodysuit.
Missing a leg. Why, why?
Why was it missing a leg? Why did it never change?
Why? Why?
And then and then in Miami, she just comes out wearing a gold

(01:08:35):
version. So then old Stinky became gold
Stinky. And it was just like, amazing
because it was the same old thing all the time.
Like, Oh yeah, again. Everyone would always get like,
all. Tonight's gonna be the night she
has a new reputation bodysuit. It never was until it was one
time. And then we were all, we were

(01:08:56):
all in that clown card being like, OK, Rep Rep Taylor's
versions coming out like this isthe sign, right?
We were clowning so hard. For it.
They haven't recorded most of it, but you do you.
Yeah. This whole era was just so
powerful and really cool. Don't blame me.
Made such good use of the stage elevators and then the lights

(01:09:18):
that like, basically were complete outline of the stage
that shot up. And then being in the covered
Rogers Stadium where the Blue Jays play, Also formerly known
as the Skydome, will ever be theSkydome.
This film actually having it with a roof over like that,
sometimes they have it open. That night they had it closed.

(01:09:38):
It was November in Canada, so made sense.
But seeing the lights like go straight up almost like a cage
to the ceiling was just really cool.
I remember taking a picture of it.
It was awesome. And then I don't know, Look what
You made me do cause that was, Imean, that was the lead single
off this album that was like, she's back and she's mad and

(01:10:01):
she's not who she used to be andwhat is going on.
And there was just so much lore around this album too.
And it was such like a pivotal point in her life that like,
Look what you made me do. The video was so iconic and then
the performance was iconic. Everything was iconic.
Yeah, it's like, visually it's probably the most interesting

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part of the whole set. I think of the whole concert
reputation like the glass cracking when she stomps on it.
For delicate when she's stepping, yeah, yeah.
Yeah, that is really cool. These really great use of the,
you know, the computerized stagethere.
Yeah, she hits her marks every time.
Hmm. Yes, this one, Miss Eric.

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Gets you high. I've been huge on as an album.
I probably revisit like 40 timeslike you guys do but maybe it'll
lock in then through Stockholm syndrome but.
I don't know, like it hits so right.
It just gets you like so high byjust I love it to death and
especially just seeing it live is like you're just like

(01:11:05):
gripping the seat, just like dashing around like banging.
It's so. Slim, diculous and silly, but
it's like. You go, girl, you go Ferrell.
So good. Oh dear.
So yeah. And then we moved from
reputation into the Speak Now era, which got the short end of
the stick. Yeah, we only get the one song,

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Enchanted. Yeah, I mean, it had Long live
in there for a little bit, whichwould have been absolutely
stunning to see live. I'm so bummed that they took it
out, but Enchanted was still beautiful.
Speak Now honestly is not one ofmy more favorite albums.
Like there's songs off of it that I like.
Honestly, I like mine and SparksFly better, but we got mine as a

(01:11:47):
surprise song in Toronto night too, so I was fine with that.
So we still did get a little bitmore Speak now than maybe the
average there is Goer. But you know, having it in the
movie is really special. They also have split between
like, you know, reputation whereit has the snake pantsuit and

(01:12:08):
such and then it goes to. Ball gown.
Rank up big like gown like a big, you know, ballroom kind of.
Dress My favorite dress was the everything bagel dress.
Oht nice nice nice. And yeah, so like, Enchanted,
the song I think is like, really, it's a really nice song,
but it pisses me off because it's about how she was
completely like, starstruck by the guy from fucking Owl City.

(01:12:32):
See this. It's overtime and it's so so.
Overtime, I think this girl has the world's biggest imagination.
Like the kind of thing where like, sure, one little thing
might spark something, but she imagines it to be so, so much
bigger and so much more beyond. So when people are like, oh,
this song is like all about Maddie Healy.
It's like she probably had a little spark of the feel there,

(01:12:53):
whatever that feeling was, and then just ran with it.
Let her imagine it like her imagination run wild.
She's the kind of person that wakes up in the middle of the
night and like isn't even conscious and just does voice
notes into her song or into her phone to become chart topping.
Like gold, platinum quadrupled 10 times over platinum songs.

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Like she doesn't. She's got such a big and
imagination, such a powerful wayof songwriting that I really I
reject. Especially her later stuff.
Maybe her earlier stuff was likea little bit more literal, but I
think she's the kind of person that maybe has a bit of an
experience but knows how to really expand on it.
And it's not meant to be taken like literally.

(01:13:37):
Like, yeah, your songwriter, right?
So you're an artist. Especially because you know
everyone's micro analyzing everything anyway, you would
make everything just absolutely literal.
Like that is just not an interesting thing to do and also
is kind of a it's also you couldcome across like slander to.
Sell, Yeah. Exactly.

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As again we will get to all too well 10 minute version shortly.
Absolutely. I mean we.
Divided into red. Yes, I've read Rex is there's
not much, you know, speaking outin Long live.
Which is beautiful, but yeah, red.
So this is the moment where my phone storage on my iPhone ran

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out. So there's me during 22 in
Rogers Centre trying to watch the show debating do I just live
in the moment or do I fight iPhone?
I chose fight with the iPhone. So I'm like trying to log in
with my stupid Apple ID which I don't know the password to you

(01:14:39):
cause I use password managers for things on my desktop to
manage things. I'm like going in, trying to
reset my password, put it in yes, say yes to all of the
agreements. Yes.
I want this much more data, likejust give me more high cloud
storage so I can take more videos because we're only
halfway through the eras door. And of course I had that

(01:14:59):
absolute brick of a phone chargeor two with me.
It was like all external hard drives worth of battery backup.
So I'm like holding the battery backup that is like literally
half a pound holding my phone trying to like dance around and
take in the fact that 22 is playing.
And it's such a fun song cause it's like the whole stage part,
right? They're just all hanging out.
They're going this way, they're going that way, they're coming

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this way. And it's a big party of all
their friends together, which I think is a really cool way of
staging that song and that stagein her life.
And again, this album came out when I was 23, I guess.
So the song 22, like I just lived through 22.
I didn't even know what 23 was going to really feel like yet.
When I turned 22, like the single was out for a few months

(01:15:43):
that point, because already on the album, of course.
So it was still playing heavily in the radio when I turned 22,
which was like, yeah, pretty much.
It was huge. It's kind of hits at that point,
but you know, just fits and sucha fun.
And of course, the tradition of like giving their Black Hat from
the red era, her giving the hat to a kid or somebody that's been

(01:16:04):
chosen. That kind of goes up and has
that like really special connection and really being the
only fan interaction that she had during this Eras tour
because she had to preserve her voice.
So she wasn't doing like VIP meet and greets or anything.
She was like going and like icing her whole body and like
not speaking like because you have to do it all again tomorrow

(01:16:24):
because, you know. Some fucking Kansas City Chiefs
games don't Travis Kelsey. So those games too.
Yeah, but yeah. It's very into those.
When Travis Kelsey plays football, she is very into those
games, like yelling and cheeringlike.
Rooting for Pacheco is. Not yeah, she's fucking like ohe
Isaiah, checkout touchdown. Hurray.
Like what are you doing girl? Like.

(01:16:48):
You know what? Let her live her life.
Keep your voice like, you know, like not taking a nice little
break for her voice like that. She's just rooting for the most
evil team in football. I mean the point is that she's
not doing the meet and greets right after the show.
She's like. Yeah.
Like a little later in the week when she's not working.
Also in this movie, she gives the hat to a Kobe Bryant's

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daughter. Yeah, yeah.
Which is really touching. And then, yeah, the song.
We are never, ever getting back together.
Like hate that song so. I was like, oh, this is like
very immature, but at the same time, like, yeah, everyone's
felt that way, like. It's I think they have.
Those songs and when people kindof.
Sorry, sorry. I like We're never going back

(01:17:31):
together. Like that song I Knew You Were
Trouble is the one I hate. Sorry, really.
That's the one you don't like. Your trouble till the goat
remix. It kind of ruined it.
Right. Right as a catchy, catchy song
like that one. Is that not the song where the
Cam does a little the backup dancer?

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And every year he always. Does yeah, like like.
Ever. Or one of the Canadian shows, he
said. You, David?
No. Was a reference to Shits Creek.
And sometimes it would be in whatever language was in, you
know, if it was in France, it was a French phrase or whatever.
Yeah, it was always fun. Another one of those little,
like, little things thrown in that makes every show a little
bit different. Yeah, I knew You Were Trouble.

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Like, I like the song. It was kind of killed dubstep in
a way, because like, that was the moment that like dubstep
went like so mainstream hmm's and it was like a very flash in
the pan kind of music style. It felt anyways to somebody
that's not into like EDM and hadn't followed it the whole way
through. But yeah, the performance was
kind of like whatever, honestly,I felt like it's the one song

(01:18:39):
that could have been dropped from the set because then
everyone's waiting for all Too well, the 10 minute version,
which. Man. 10 minutes on went All Too
Well, but yeah, so like All Too Well, which is a song which is
pretty much a diss track of what, Jake Gyllenhaal.
I can't imagine being Jake Gyllenhaal knowing that for two
years straight, literally thousands of people in an arena

(01:19:01):
at any given time, plus millionsof people streaming around the
world were all like flipping their middle finger screaming
fuck the patriarchy thinking about you.
Yeah. I, I don't know that I, I
obviously wasn't there, but she was, she was there.
It was rare. He doesn't know all too well.

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It's a masterpiece of a song. It's like.
Probably your Best Song. Well, yeah, to.
See it Live was on another level.
Yeah. And to be, again, talking about
the crowd experience and like experiencing it with other
people, literally with what? What does the Rogers Centre
hold? Like it was like 15,000 people.
Yeah, yeah, that night, 50,000 people plus Taylor, Alison

(01:19:47):
Swift, like, all flipping the bird, screaming fuck the
patriarchy. Like in unison, in perfect
unison. Like if that's not cathartic, I
don't know what is. It healing.
Nature is healing. Nature is healing and it's such
a beautifully performed song too.
Like the way that this starts off in autumn and then ends with
the snow falling. She's just got that one

(01:20:10):
gorgeous, gorgeous leg kind of sticking out from her long,
glittering robe and it's a really great song.
It's a great performance and to keep an audience completely
enraptured for 10 minutes and 13seconds straight.
For one song. For one song and not unlike it
doesn't drag, it doesn't calm you down like it is your present

(01:20:34):
for all of it. It's incredible.
Like you're just like listening to the entire like relationship,
just like fall apart. It's incredible.
Really, really. And like, just describing the
feeling of like a crumpled up piece of paper lying there.
Like, hasn't everyone felt like that at one point?
Like she just put it into words for us.

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Yeah, like that is like a complete highlight of like the
entire show. Yeah, yeah.
And then I guess so for us, it would have gone from Red into
Speak now. Whereas the movie version, and I
feel like the way that our version went because it really
put all the older stuff front loaded for the most part other

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than Lover. It kind of like had all those
like nostalgic songs near the beginning.
Whereas the movie version had itlike because Evermore and
folklore were kind of blended inwith some of the earlier stuff
like Fearless and Red. Just a different vibe of a show.
But yeah, right after Red, then we go into the actual folklore
set, which yeah, for us was the folk more blended set, but

(01:21:42):
folklore there's like the seven kind of spoken interlude.
And then she starts off singing invisible Spring String, Sorry
on the House, which is a beautiful little song.
I've heard of a lot of people using it, like yeah.
There's this cabin that comes upso like it's a little like a
like, you know, you see inside this cabin there this kind of
grass on top of it, like a wooden cabin, which talks about

(01:22:04):
how she imagined herself as likesomeone during just in the
middle of the wilderness is writing songs like living this
kind of like romanticize like artist.
Life. Yeah.
Yeah, like living fighting with quills from feathers that she's
gathered. And it's when she is that when
she mentions that she started writing.

(01:22:25):
This is the COVID. These are the COVID albums
right? Yeah, well, for us because they
were blended, but I forget whichset it is in the movie that she
mentions like starting to write folklore like 3 days after the
pandemic was declared. Just like how quickly her mind
starts working towards that kindof isolated vibe that's so

(01:22:47):
different than like the experience that you are having
and living in a day-to-day life,which I thought was really cool
and. Also, the whole like Errors tour
show is that like you do get thebig bombastic things.
You get like the Reputation tourkind of just like, alright,
here's just a song, I'm playing it loud, playing it angry.
And then you get these parts where she's actually describing
her creative process like she's talking about herself as an

(01:23:09):
artist. There's like so many different
parts of her aspects of Hooters,which as a musician, you can see
all these different aspects in the entire show.
And it flows in such an interesting manner where it just
like 15 minutes ago was look what you made me.
Do it's crazy and like Folklore is such an interesting album
too, because she says it, especially in the Long Pond
studio session where she startedkind of getting away from the

(01:23:33):
first person sort of writing andwriting about like from her
experiences or of her experiences and writing more
from like a character driven kind of perspective.
So she has like what she calls like the teenage love triangle
between Betty, which is like thenext the title of the next song
is Betty. And then there's the character
James. And then there's the unnamed
character that people have started calling Augustine.

(01:23:56):
That's sort of the point of viewthat's represented in the song.
August and Betty is from the point of view of James, who is
just a, you know, 17. He doesn't know many things, but
you know, yeah, it's so like andhe's like the character is such
a teenage boy. Cause like even when he says
like, OHP, will it all be fixed?Like when I kiss you in front of

(01:24:18):
all your stupid friends, Like hedoesn't even respect her enough
to respect her friends because he does that throw away line of
like all in front of all your stupid friends.
And that's such like a sorry to say it, but like we've all been
there. Like it's a very teenage boy
thing of like, I don't know, what do you want me to say?
Like whatever. And not actually apologizing
properly for being shithead and thinking or if I do all these

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things are well that that fix itfor you instead of like.
Trying to actually. Genuinely repair a relationship
like it's really kind of crafty and that I know there's a lot of
people that have like mixed feelings on this song buddy or
just like straight up don't likeit, but.
OK, I like songs all. Closure, the musicianship in it.
I like the harmonica. Like, it's just such a, I don't

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know, it's a fun song. Just like again, like it has a
sub has like the speaker of the song who is a teenage boy, but
also like this like how like themusicianship works with the song
is like, you know, the harmonicaAnd especially in the show in
the concert too, where she's seeing it with her like band
like or backup singers like on like the steps of the cabin
there. Like it feels like a real like,

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you know, it's lively. It's very lively.
It's the kind of song that, like, you would sing, like when
you get all your friends together around a campfire, you
know, when you have more musicalfriends.
And so I'm not naturally a musical person, but when we were
up in the UConn doing field work, we were making friends
with some of the locals there. There was an older man named
Peter who played the Wash Basin.Like actually.

(01:25:47):
Played. And it was amazing and he was
very beautiful. And there was a few nights we
like a bunch of us would pack upand we'd, you know, someone
would bring maybe their ukulele or a guitar or something and
we'd go and we'd visit him and he had a cabin by the lake.
And so we were in this cabin like a wooden cabin overlooking
like Kuwani Lake and, and all ages in there.

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I mean, he was really quite old at the time.
And we had some, you know, undergrad level researchers as
well as kind of everyone in between and just getting
together and nobody had, I mean,some people had really good
voices. I did not, but we would just
pull up song lyrics, you know, or just remember them and and
just jam together. Sometimes there was no, there

(01:26:31):
was no actual song. People were just jamming just
like coming in with the music and the songs and the singing
that they wanted to and sometimes would like pick a song
to kind of all play together. And you know, things like like
Neil Young songs and that kind of thing.
Like things that lent themselvesto just a bunch of people all
together in a cabin in the woodsin the Yukon, playing the wash
basin, playing the ukulele, playing the acoustic guitar,

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singing with whatever scratchy, scratchy off key voice they had,
but just getting together and making music.
And that's sort of what Betty and the Folklore cabin kind of
reminds me of a little bit. The storytelling aspect, that
singer-songwriter kind of style and that like just hanging out,
someone got a harmonica, let's sing along kind of thing.

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Yeah. And also like, you know, that
song, like, especially with the communal spirit of like, being
at a concert, also like, of course, you're with 10s of
thousands of other people too. So it's also like everyone
singing along. Like it's kind of a celebration
of what it is to do music with together as a social thing.
Yeah, yeah, it's true. Yeah, so the next song is The
Last Great American Dynasty, which is like has some really

(01:27:35):
cool dancing going on. Yeah.
And a really cool story because it's all about this person named
Rebecca Harkness, who's a real human and owned the house that
Taylor Swift bought. So she had said that she always
wanted to write a story or a song about Rebecca Harkness and,
like, the kind of life that she led.
And that's what led to the last Great American dynasty.

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So you have Natalie, one of the dancers come out like as the
Rebecca character who falls in love and marries this Standard
Oil air or whatever. Bill, I guess, played by Yan
Ravnik, who is one of my favorite dancers.

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And they're kind of like wordlessly performing together.
Like she shows up on the afternoon train and meets him
and they're on this like little salt box house on the coast.
And then he, his heart gives outbecause she's like so much and
so crazy. And everyone's like, oh, well,
with him gone, like that's theregoes the last Great American
dynasty. And it's this woman who's like

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the loudest woman in this town this ever, this town has ever
seen, the maddest woman this town has ever seen, kind of like
what would have been if it weren't for her kind of ruining
everything. And it's such an interesting
take of. And of course, like the dancer
is like performing this very carefree sort of character.
It's a really fun one. Yeah, we didn't get that in our

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show, did we? No, they asked it for our show.
Yeah, and we had to August as the next one.
Yeah, which is, again, from thatkind of teenage love triangle.
And this is another one of thosesongs where she comes out and
she's got this like long flowingdress and really just making the
use of the whole stage for herself.

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And like, it's a huge stage and she's got such presence, like
delicate. She had the whole stage to
herself and she fills it. She just fills it with who she
is and what she's doing. And same thing with August.
We saw the contrast because Gracie Abrams opened for Taylor
Swift. We saw her and like, you know,
she was fine, but like she do not use the full stage just by,

(01:29:42):
you know, the kind of musician she is.
And she tried to walk down the whole stage like, oh, she felt
like very small. Yeah.
Does it? It's like she is the stage is
hers, like it belongs to her. It's like molded around her.
100. Percent there.
Hmm, my tears ricochets the nextone.
No, Illicit affairs is, which isOh my God, Andy, I don't know

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how you feel about this one. There's the album version, which
is like deep but quiet. And then there's the arrest tour
version, which is the angry version, the angry illicit
affairs version. I like the angry version,
personally. I want thing album so bad.

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OHS we need it. We especially need the the like
mashups is what I'm waiting for.Yeah, her screaming don't call
me kid, don't call me baby. Like just losing it.
Beautiful. Yeah, because just her, like,
stuttering knees, just like verydramatically, just like, you

(01:30:51):
know, arms in the sky kind of thing.
Yeah, and it slides right into my tears Ricochet, which is
literally about her songs being stolen from her because there's
the song like, like you can hearmy stolen lullabies is the lyric
in that song, which I think is really, again, taking an

(01:31:15):
experience and then expanding onin this, like, really lyrical,
over the top way. And the visualizations for this
are stunning. It's got the battleship on that
Whirlpool on the big screen, andit just feels like you're all
being sunk down to this, like deep swirling sadness.
And then we they get to Cardigan.
Yep, Cardigan was what opened the folklore set for our show,

(01:31:43):
but Cardigans performed on its own here, and to be honest, I
don't really like Cardigan all that much.
Really fine. What?
Oh my goodness. That's fair.
That's fair. Like you're entitled.
That's totally fine. This was one of those 1414
listens in a row kind of songs for me.

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It's got beautiful imagery, but yeah, this one just doesn't hit
for me. It's usually I would say it's
sometimes a skip. Fair enough.
So like then we switch arrows from the folklore era over that
we switch to the folklore era now to the 1989 era, which is my
favorite album of hers. Oh yeah, 1989 slabs.

(01:32:28):
Yes, stranger. Banger after banger.
Yeah. It is style which is a great
song. It's such a good, well crafted
pop song, like it's got a good beat, the sound quality is
amazing and it's like very timeless in terms of like its
lyrics and its musical style. Then we get to the blank space,

(01:32:48):
which is just. I love that song.
That's so funny. Oh God it's like all iconic then
Shake it Off, which is just finein my books.
Like it's a fun pop song, but like doesn't really do as much
for me. As like it's one of the songs if
I can reach the skip button in the 1st 5 seconds I will skip it
but if I don't then it's alreadyin my brain and I'm like all the

(01:33:09):
brain worm sets in. A little breakdown, but like
hey, hey, hey part is I it losesme there.
So I I tried to avoid it if I can.
And OHS is it? Is it blank space that has the
weather on the bikes? Yes.
Yeah, we're the dancers like areall like bikes going around the

(01:33:29):
stage 2 that's. Really cool, yeah.
And nobody falls down or I'm so impressed.
Yeah. And it's also.
Like a few instances during the show, like you know her heel
would break or something or likea platform wouldn't go up in
time or something. Like there were a couple like
bloopers throughout the. Yeah, or she'd have to run down
the entire stage because the little, what was it?

(01:33:50):
The little thing didn't open up.Yeah, like little trap door.
So she just looked it. And the heel that broke and she
ripped off and yielded it into the crowd, and someone very
excitedly got to be the owner ofthe broken heel that went
around. More to that story too, because
I believe it was his sister was going through cancer treatment

(01:34:12):
and so he was going to auction it off to raise money.
And then people online raised all this money and said, here's
the money, keep the shoe. You should stop.
Sweet part with that and to pay for the sister's cancer
treatment. So it was just like a really
nice moment of people. First of all, you shouldn't have

(01:34:34):
to pay out of pocket for cancer treatment.
What is wrong with the world? Yeah.
But unfortunately live in a world where it does cost a lot
of money. And yeah, just people coming
together and like, letting that person have that kind of like,
special moment and still raisingthe money I thought was really
nice. Yeah, we got Wildest Dreams as

(01:34:56):
well, which I love that song. It's good.
You know what's funny though, isthat the songs for the most part
in the 1989 set are a lot of my could do without from that
album. Like I love, love, love that
album, but like Shake it off notmy favorite.
While the streams fine, Bad blood also skip for me.
Yeah, yeah, so many other songs,but they weren't the hits off

(01:35:20):
at. All yeah, this is like feels
like a real greatest hits part of the era for 99 is they just
do the hits mostly. Yeah, and there's better songs,
like I think Out of the Woods isa way better.
Song. That song is so.
Pretty cool thing to see stage in a really interesting manner.
They already have the trees. Yeah, why don't you start off at

(01:35:41):
go from folklore to like or likeor like Overlord or whatever
what we saw were like you go from the trees and then have out
of the woods play. It's an easy transition to do.
Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so clear from that and some
of the vault tracks that Harry Styles is just like such a bad
driver. Absolutely, Absolutely.
Like blood in the snow, like just dude.

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So now we get to the acoustic set, which is a is seriously
acoustic set, the surprise song set.
Yeah, yeah. So we got we got mine mixed with
the the song from 50 Shades of Grey, the sequel.
Yeah, that she does. Was is it Zane?
Yeah, which I missed when that came out cause I was living in

(01:36:29):
the woods and I like. You don't know me.
And I was mostly, this was before I had Spotify, so I was
mostly just listening to the albums that I had and it wasn't
on an album. So when she started playing that
I was like, what is going on with this?
And I wasn't like totally excited.
I was like, this is like one of the very few Taylor Swift songs.
Like I genuinely don't really know at all.

(01:36:53):
But then when she goes from uh to uh.
Are chills like literally just chills run down your entire.
Body, one of my favorite songs, is one that me and my partner
like quite like a lot, the both of us.
And so like getting that mixed in there was great.
I was really hoping that she would do a song from Cats

(01:37:15):
because I love that movie. Told me she would do a song A
Beautiful ghost, which is Angel Lloyd Webber.
Was she didn't do at all in the entire tour I.
Didn't do a macavity good. Alicia played a song from 1 Bad
movie, but it wasn't from Cats. I'm glad that you of all people
got a bad movie song. Exactly.
Yeah, that's all I wanted. I got mine, you got your bad

(01:37:38):
movie song. And then, uh yeah, what was the
other song we saw the secret song for?
Oh, we got 2 because then there's the piano surprise song.
Yeah. So she moves over from guitar,
then to piano. And of course, when we saw her,
she was doing the mash up. So she do 2 partial songs, like
mash up on guitar, and then two,sometimes 3 on piano.

(01:38:04):
But the original, like movie one, she did one full song on
guitar, one full song on piano. And then over the course of the
three nights they recorded in LAat Sofi, she did different songs
each night. So then the full set, there's
six of the acoustic surprise songs in the movie.
You're on your own it being likeprobably the most iconic because
that's the one that has the linemake the friendship bracelets

(01:38:26):
and. So it started it all.
Listen, we're like, OK, Mother said.
So. We.
Have collective billion dollars on plastic beads, which again.
My friendship bracelets. Oh, absolutely.
You can't throw this away. Like no, you keep them.
Yeah and I've made other ones since.
Actually when myself and my 2 lab mates defended her pH D's, I

(01:38:48):
made friendship bracelets that said PhD era.
Ohgi love. That matching PhD era bracelets,
which I think is fun. That's so sweet.
But and I always wear I got a gifted a bracelet, gold beads
and then it says fearless and I wear that to like any of my
medical appointments because I hate appointments so much.

(01:39:11):
And I always wear that. It's like, and I have no idea
who's from because you just kindof trade with everyone in the
merch line, but. Line and we were just like
trading because like it was kindof like the the QX snaked along.
So like we were running different people in the merch
line. So he's like trade bracelets
here and there, like different people, like every few minutes.

(01:39:31):
Yeah, yeah, I know. It was awesome, Yeah.
Those all those acoustic songs get me which like the post
credits for this Disney plus release for the Heirs tour
Taylors version. Yeah, like in this because
except they have in the movie itself was our song, and you're
on your own kid. Yeah, and our song is just so
good. Hearing it with her like 30

(01:39:53):
something year old voice makes me so excited for the debut
release, which everyone is clowning for being released next
year because that would be the 20th anniversary of that album
coming out. Yeah.
That would make sense, yeah. Yeah, I think it would be really
big. Of course she's gonna let the
last or the life of a showgirl like go on, but I wouldn't be
surprised if that came out. Maybe later next year.

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And yes, then we're onto the Midnights era.
On Midnight Laughs. I love this.
Album. Yeah.
Such. A pop when we saw we got to see
the tortoise set which like. Is not in.
This movie because, you know, wasn't at this point in time and
that. Was that?
That was a really visually interesting set too, like.
With the bed and everyone clouding thinking that we're

(01:40:41):
gonna get is it Posty? Is it pop up posty?
Is he gonna be like a surprise guest?
Nope. It's just yeah, yeah.
Well. That's always Yan and that's
fine because I love Yan, but we also have the visuals of like
down bad with the UFO and the spa.
Yes, yes. The magical Roomba.
So little that it turns out actually had a man inside of

(01:41:05):
that block controlling it. Yeah there cause everyone's
wondering how on earth is this little piece of stage moving
around on its own It must be remote control or something No,
there was a man inside, which makes it even funnier when it
stopped moving and she was like crap now I have to like she got
yawn to come like lift her down and perfect timing when that

(01:41:26):
error happened because it. Came.
So. He just had to hang out inside
this box that wasn't working in the middle of the arrest.
But are you shitting my pants with?
That was like oh fuck is Taylor Swift going like execute me
behind the? Stage but she's so professional
that she's like OK this isn't working and just immediately was
like OK like the dancers know they're alerted go help her down

(01:41:49):
gracefully. She can keep singing and then
John walks away and it comes up to the lyric where she says who
the fuck was that guy? Which is so funny because of
like as she's walking away from y'all, it's like, who the fuck
was that guy? But it's the timing in it.
But yeah, Magic Roomba, the little stage that she's riding
around and down bad. And then when she's singing,

(01:42:11):
well, I guess Who's Afraid of Little Old Me comes first in
that set where she's got the post and she calls it the female
rage, the musical section of theshow and moving around and just
all this rage, which is really cool.
It's like a new kind of incarnation of Look What You
Made Me do in a way. And then it was in a fortnight

(01:42:33):
or down bad with the UFO. Yeah, I know there's just really
cool staging for that. But I guess we should focus on
the movie itself, which did not have tortured.
We'll do this again when the newmovie comes.
Out. It's gotta come out right?
Like she has. It has.
Because, like, she filmed all three nights Vancouver.
Yeah. So like it makes sense that she

(01:42:53):
would do something with it so. Yeah, well, there's something
coming tomorrow, isn't there? Well, that's a different movie.
Yeah, no, it's not a movie. It's the music video for the
fate of Ophelia. I thought she was examined in
the theatres, wasn't she? Yeah, something is being.
Released for The Fate of Opheliaand it's a listening party for
the new album. That's you have no idea.

(01:43:14):
I thought it was just like. You guys call yourself Swifties?
My God. I already said at the beginning
I'm just a baby Swifty. I don't know enough.
So. This is all new news.
New news. So yeah, now we're in the
midnight era in the movie here, so start off Lavender Haze,
which is a really cool song. Yeah, because it starts with her

(01:43:35):
like climbing a ladder into these clouds on the screen, and
then on stage she's climbing up.And this is where, like, it's
actually kind of funny. And people kind of made fun of
the set design for this because it's literally like these big,
just fluffy clouds that kind of look like a high school
production. Yeah.
On ladders. Yeah.
And I remember, like, people were like, oh, like, there's

(01:43:56):
this dancer, like, ladder blocking my view of Taylor
Swift. And that's when Jan Ravnik,
like, turns around and he's like, his shirts open for this.
And he's like, built. And they're like, oh, never
mind. So yeah, become famous for
having this, like, relationship with the latter of.

(01:44:17):
So much so that he was in a recent, I believe it was a
Cologne ad, and there was a ladder in that.
And everyone's like, yes. Yeah, and the ladder, you know.
Oh my God, that's incredible. Whole thing and he's aware of
it. He's now on Dancing With the
Stars the current season. Is just like 1.
Like I guess he's probably dancing with like one
celebrities, right? He's dancing with the celebrity

(01:44:38):
ladder, obviously. Sorry.
Who's this Jennifer Affleck? Oh, who's Jennifer Affleck?
I don't know Dancing with you and Rosnick, but Lavender Haze,
like I, I love that song. I love like the the sound behind
it, like it just kind of throbs.It's really cool.

(01:44:59):
Hmm. And then it goes into antihero,
which like was one of the biggest singles she's had in a
long time, like. It was her first single off that
album, right? Yes, and it was everywhere and
it was so good. And there's so many Easter eggs
now. We're like rewatching the
antihero music video that are clearly little egg drops for the

(01:45:20):
life of a showgirl in a way. Like the use of the purple
glitter, the use of the colour orange.
Like there's a few things going on there that she's tied either
on purpose from when she designed the antihero music
video, or she has decided to call back to when creating the
last showgirl or the last showgirl.
The life of a showgirl, some really cool stuff.

(01:45:42):
And like she's kind of like in her little pajama outfit.
It's all glittery, of course. She's like walking around, makes
full use of the stage, makes thetime to go on either side of the
screen where there's like fans behind that kind of have a
really obstructed view, but takes the time like going wave
at everyone, which is really nice.
Well, that's really what the Midnights album 2 is that like

(01:46:03):
it's like a breakup album, but she did not know the
relationship. She was having a breakup.
Like it's like pretty much her and Joe Alwyn like breaking up,
but like is the end of relationship is kind of her
something like, oh, it's just the thoughts I've had around
midnight and seven. It's like, here's a relationship
that's kind of Bruce Springsteentunnel of love, whereas that's.
Like just gonna say that like hedidn't realize that he was
writing about his divorce until he got divorced after the album.

(01:46:27):
So you like it wasn't till retrospect that it was like, oh,
that actually was a breakup album.
I just. Yeah, which makes it really fast
because I thought it was great to begin with.
I'm like, oh, like there's like something very subconscious
album that like even the artist was not aware of.
Yeah, and I mean, when the song Oh my God, You're Losing Me came

(01:46:50):
out. Like, oh God.
What a shot through the heart that one was a wolf.
But Midnight Rain also has that vibe, right?
Like it's so Midnight Rain is beautiful because then she's
sort of like still in that kind of glittery, almost like pajama
oversized T-shirts. And then the dancer is kind of

(01:47:13):
have all these umbrellas and then these black suits.
And then they kind of cover her up with the umbrellas and it's
costume change where they removethe glittery T-shirt and
revealed the Midnight's body suit.
Of course there's multiple versions of the Midnights
bodysuit, but it's like again, just like an absolutely stunning
bejeweled piece of costuming with like there's like the

(01:47:37):
Moonstone version, there's the scallops version, there's you
know, but it's like basically hewas sunshine, I was midnight
rain. Like just it just we were on
opposite pages. I was in this dark place like
he's all shiny and like with a family and I'm peering in
through a window. Like it's a very disconnected

(01:47:58):
kind of sounding song and the dancing is really cool for it.
And like with all these costumes, we can see them from
far away. We can actually, you know, tell
them apart. They're distinct enough that
even from however many feet awaywe were from her, like we could
tell. We could actually see like
smaller details, the way that they glitter and stuff, the way
that they shine. They're visible for the entire
arena. Yeah, which is all good because

(01:48:20):
then it goes into vigilante shit, which like, I don't even
know if we can talk about that chair dance.
Yeah. Like very like the musical
Chicago kind of thing. Like it's.
Very. Yeah, yeah.
Burlesque, burlesque, burlesque loser.
Like, yeah. Yeah, this is not the Taylor
Swift that we grew up with, withthe curly hair and the acoustic

(01:48:42):
guitar. Yeah.
That is her sexy moment. It's a good song and it's a
really cool stage design. Hmm.
And, uh, bejewels the next one. Yeah yeah, bejeweled a catchy 1.
Love it. Yeah, I don't really.

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It doesn't stand out to me the performance.
It's just like. I'm always dances and it's fun.
The little the little I think itfor for bejeweled, she does a
tiny little choreography like little thing that was like a fan
of hers uploaded to TikTok and she thought it was super cute
and she like incorporated that into this.

(01:49:25):
I think like when she like turnsand does the little like finger
like twinkly thing under her chin.
Apparently like a swifty like had uploaded like their own
little dance to that on TikTok and she saw it and she like
added it into the show. I don't know, I could be wrong,
but I'm pretty sure I heard thatthis was a thing so I thought
that was super cute. And they meet the mastermind.

(01:49:50):
And this is what I wanted the tickets that we got for was to
see the stage for this. And I don't know chess well
enough, but allegedly the way when she's like, because the
whole point of it is like it's achess board and she's like
moving the pawns around and the pawns are herd like dancers.
And she's kind of like directingthem to go here, directing them
to go there. And allegedly it sets it up so

(01:50:11):
that it's like a perfect checkmate, but I don't
understand it well enough to actually verify this or not what
I've heard on the Internet. Because to me, I'm like, it's
just a bunch of people and trench coats that look like the
Matrix on stage and Taylor Swiftsinging about how she was the
mastermind, but then it turns out the other person was also a

(01:50:33):
masterminding her, which I thought was really fun.
And of course, Mastermind is what the game is named after,
where you go on the app every show and guess what versions of
outfits it's going to be and youcould get points and people
would win and there'll be prizes.
It was really fun. I did not do well at all any of
those because I kept guessing songs from cats and she not.
Playing too many variables. Um, yeah, then we get to like

(01:50:56):
the big final song of the whole concert, which is a karma.
Yeah. And yeah, So fun.
No fun because they have, like, these big, very oversized,
poofy, glittery, stringy coats that just shimmer like, I don't
know, like insane Muppets. They're really fun.
But the most interesting thing to me is not the song Karma

(01:51:18):
itself, but the way that it ends.
There's an orange door that comes down from the screen, and
her dancers would, usually, like, leave through the back,
but Taylor would usually exit the whole show through a
trapdoor in the stage. Except for the very last night.
The very last night she takes a couple extra seconds to, like,

(01:51:39):
really take it in the crowd. The last night in Vancouver, the
last show of the Errors tour. And instead of her going down
the trap door waving goodbye like she normally does, she is
arm in arm with her dancers and her backup singers.
And they all exit the stage through where that orange door
appeared. And as we know now, that was her
exiting the Arias era and entering a new era orange

(01:52:03):
glitter, which is clearly tied to the life of a showgirl, which
is coming out in a matter of hours.
It'll be out by the time this episodes out.
Yeah, maybe we can have this really fast.
That's the main conscious self. The postcards the acoustic
collection story talked about the credit song is a Long live

(01:52:25):
and they show up at clips of thepeople like the fans like going
to the concert and stuff like giving friendship race like.
Trading and their outfits, yeah.Which is like, really nice.
Like it's a fun way to end a concert.
Film super cute. Yeah, yeah.
And it shows some of the like they call it the errors tour of

(01:52:46):
like the little bloopers and things like when she swallows a
bug or when she gets caught up in like the Willow cloak, she
kind of like gets it caught on her head or she's swinging.
When it rained. Blank space and hits her head
like little things like that. Was a true blooper reel, which
is awesome. Where she took it all in stride
and kept performing and rain shows like rain that started

(01:53:09):
short circuiting the keyboards because both the champagne
problems piano and the acoustic piano, like they look like a
grand piano, an upright piano, respectively.
They're electric keyboards set into what looks like a piano.
They're obviously not real pianopianos with strings and hammers.
And so like there's the one range show where she's like

(01:53:29):
trying to wipe rain like off thepiano and it starts like short
circuiting and playing on its own.
It's really funny. And then all the post credits
too, like they've got the friendship bracelet kind of
designed to like, you know, talkabout who's being credited and
that kind of thing. So again, like 1 little line in
a song that you kind of threw inthat fans took a hold of and

(01:53:50):
like gave the errors tour like its own life that she didn't
plan. So like by the end of it, it
wasn't just what she had sort ofmasterminded out in the first
place. It was this whole experience
that became its own thing through fan experiences, through
her own experiences, and then putting a whole new set in that
actually referenced things aboutthe Eras Tour through I Can Do

(01:54:12):
it with a broken heart and like things like that.
Like it just really morphed intolike 2 years of our lives like
and even. Even like the the venues,
somebody made those giant friendship bracelets that then
they traded with the other upcoming venues and it traveled
like the big ones that they would hang outside of the Rogers
studio and stuff like. I.
Forget what it was in the Statesthat did it, but like it was

(01:54:36):
very cute to see just actual venues sending away this
bracelet because it wasn't hers essentially like somebody just
yeah, decided to make it. I think she has it.
She ended up keeping it now, butlike, how cute is that though?
Like and that was not a thing atthe start of the tour.
Yeah, not at all. I mean, like the idea of like

(01:54:58):
candy and trading friendship bracelets like came from more of
the the rave culture. So like, it was a thing.
And that's a part of the, you know, that was part of the
reason why friendship bracelet materials were relatively easy
to come by, in addition to just being a very popular craft thing
for kids. It was really cool to see that
kind of spill out into like a totally different community, I

(01:55:19):
guess. And like when you make
friendship bracelets. I was so pissed off at first
because I hate doing crafts. It's.
Not like you go to the rhythm of.
It's a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun like cause
we got together and we put this on and like made them while
watching this. And that sort of added another
element to just the hype of going to see her and just made

(01:55:41):
just experiencing the like concert itself really cute.
The whole thing was just such anexperience.
Like it was so much more than just a concert.
Like the pre show you did with your friends on the prep you did
and then picking like thinking of what outfit you're going to
go as. Like am I going to be a lime Key
Lime green dog for this concert?Am I going to reference her and

(01:56:02):
cats? Am I like which music video am I
going to do? I ended up doing, you know, the
the cardigan and the like littlewhite dress thingy from I mean,
it's been too long. I'm too pop pills.
I can't remember the, like, the name of the song, but like, I
reference like a music video andlike my thing.
And it's just like, all of that planning and stuff is so cute

(01:56:24):
and so fun. And then meeting other Swifties
and everyone being so kind and like, sharing bracelets and like
compliments and stuff. Oh, also, not for nothing, but
after the concert, when we left just middle of the night
downtown Toronto, never in my life did I feel safer.
Like, we absolutely should act the night we absolutely took,
like, all of us were in glitter and like, tiny dresses and

(01:56:46):
skirts and not ones that I feel like unsafe or uneasy because I
knew that if anyone picked on meor if anyone picked on anyone
else, we all had each other's backs.
Like it was such a crazy fun feeling of community just
leaving the venue in the middle of the night being like, yeah,
no, I feel perfectly safe and like this big downtown city.
Like, I'm fine. Everyone's got me.

(01:57:08):
I did see my first ever cyber truck in the wild after that
console fucking sucked ass but other than that it.
Was a great. Night, and it was also.
Super cute how the cities got excited as well and renamed
streets for fun and like you know what I mean?
Like threw up, like I wasn't it like the CN Tower changed
colours like in a particular wayfor this concert and.

(01:57:29):
Billboard in Toronto was Taylor Swift theme.
Something. It was just so cute.
It was. It made it a lot more fun.
Like it was such an experience to the pub that Brian and I
grabbed a burger at before reading drinks temporarily to
the Black Dog and it was just brilliant.
They gave us a free shots of fireball, we show them our

(01:57:49):
concert tickets and then we got cute, cute, cute.
Yeah, and they had a poster up in the pub that said the
smallest man who ever lived and people were living giving like
full government names of their axes.
So I love it. There was there was a girl that
had like a blank shirt with likesharpies to be like right,
right. Their names on my shirt please,
of the smallest man, whoever lived.

(01:58:10):
And I saw that. That was super cute.
And yourself, it was incredible seeing all the different kinds
of outfits we were coming up with.
Hmm. And also like a lot of guys who
like probably traded by their partners, like they just were
like Travis Kelsey jerseys like for the Kansas City Chiefs, but
they released putting something some.
Effort in. Well, and I think a lot more

(01:58:31):
partners that maybe they weren'tthe primary Swifty like went
because they also enjoyed the music, yeah.
Yeah, like my. Grumpy dad's like.
Yeah, no, like it's The thing isit's like it's even if you don't
necessarily like her music genres are just all over the
place. So there there's probably going

(01:58:52):
to be something, but the whole experience is so much fun.
It's like there's it's I find itvery hard to not have a good
time. Like, you know, I went with my
husband and it's not like a Swifty or anything, but you have
an absolute riot. Like, you know what I mean?
Like it's still fun. It is fun.
Yeah, it was fun. I'm glad we got to experience it

(01:59:12):
and we saw the movie, which is great and hopefully there will
be another movie. It's nice to have.
This movie is like a bit of a time of reminder of what the
experience was like. And like because it was a
cultural phenomena like and we lucked out seeing takes cause
like it was a very in demand concert.
So a lot of people at least get to have this movie to see what
was kind of like. We get to reminder of what was
like. Do you guys have any final

(01:59:34):
thoughts about the movie itself?I.
Think it was just very well filmed and thankful that it's
there to just remind yourself because I essentially blacked
out for three hours when I saw it like so it's hard to
remember. Started yelling fuck the
patriarchy and just screaming. Yeah, just like freaking just
going absolutely feral for threehours, so, you know.

(01:59:57):
Now the movies like a comfort blanket, like it's just nice to
throw on when I'm like cleaning the house on a Saturday or
something and just nice. Yeah, every time you Andrew
comes and visits like she makes me watch the movie again so.
That's so good. Do you OK?
I found rewatching it after seeing the concert like it.
It gives me goosebumps now. Yeah.
It's not the thing you guys experience at all cuz very much.

(02:00:19):
It's just like, Oh my God, like I know this like this is crazy,
you know what I mean? Interesting.
This was when I saw it in person.
Like, yeah. Like, yeah, like I get all of
that excitement rushes back intomy body and I just get so hype.
It's crazy. Yeah.
Yeah, it's like really good. It's a really fun movie.
I'm Would you guys recommend this movie to people who are not

(02:00:42):
Taylor Swift fans at all? Like if you're Tom Hater, do you
think you would actually enjoy? This I would say no, just
because it's very long. Yeah, it's a very long, but also
it's like 2 1/2 hours long with the half hour like credits, more
acoustic songs like it's not as long as the runtime suggests per
se. But I think I think it's I would
say if you're not a Swifty growing and experiencing it in

(02:01:08):
real life, I think you would have much more fun than just
watching it. Like my, my in laws who are like
in their 60s were curious about it and they watched this movie
and they really enjoyed it, but they kind of like skipped
through because it was just like, it's just a bit too much
if it's not really your scene. Absolutely, yeah.

(02:01:30):
Body, like a bit of a curated playlist.
Yeah. And some of these songs like
these are not the hits. These aren't what you hear on
the radio. And kind of let people come at
it that way because I think it'squite a lot like it's a long
time to sit through and especially if you just don't buy
in right away, like because it shows like a lot of the crowd,
like people crying, they're so excited that if you're already

(02:01:52):
like, too stupid, like Taylor Swift fans like this is dumb.
Like you're going to watch it belike, Oh my God.
Look, everyone's just so over the top and like it's easy to
write off maybe, whereas I thinkthere's other ways to maybe
introduce people, unless you didlike a big watch party with like
a bunch of friends, like made itan event sort of thing.
Well, absolutely. Like maybe there's like a wake
you like an abridged version of this.

(02:02:14):
It's like half the length and probably rope some people in by
getting this movie is designed for people who could not make
the errors Tour could. Not get for it.
Yeah, hence why the tickets to see a movie in the theatres that
were a bit more expensive. Yeah, this is a movie that's
pretty much geared towards the converted.
Yeah, and I'm also, I remember when it came out like I was a

(02:02:35):
little worried it wasn't coming to streaming and I thought that
was kind of a bummer. So I'm very glad that there was
both options. You know what?
I. Mean Disney paid $75 million to
get the streaming rights for this.
I mean, they probably already made it back.
Ohe yeah. Like this movie cost between
like 10 to $20 million to make. So it already just from
streaming rights alone, it made some money back.
This movie made so costing 10 to$20 million to figures change

(02:02:59):
here and there, but made $267 million at the box office, which
is like a lot. I think it's it's a highest
grossing concert of all time. I don't think it's anything else
comes really close like the Justin Bieber never say never
thing like didn't even break $100 million.
So like this like clears up by at least double like this was a

(02:03:22):
pretty huge move for that fall, especially because like that was
the Barber Heimer year. So like Barbie opener made a ton
of money, but people were still kind of weren't sure if like,
you know, the people were comingback to theatres see movies, but
Swifties came out in droves to see this movie.
And yeah, I think like then likeBeyoncé came with her confirm
after this too. Like I think there's there's a

(02:03:44):
lot more interest. I think like I'm surprised
they're not trying to make more concert films like dumping on
streaming and such. It's kind of strange.
Like Cosmos weren't really a thing for a while, but like I
think that like. I think they're coming back and
sorry to interrupt, but I feel like it depends on the scene
that you're in. Because now that I've gotten
into Kpop, very much like a lot of their tours are available to

(02:04:06):
buy on DVD and stuff like that. And like there's tons of BTS
shows coming to theatres and stuff.
So I very much, I think it's like it's coming around, like
it's gonna get more and more. Popular in the theatre because
like I've seen like The Last Waltz in the theatres and Stop
Making Sense in the theatre. And like people like Tree, like
their national concert. So like, it's a lot of fun to

(02:04:29):
actually be with the crowd. We're really into it.
Yeah, like there's like a show, There's like a concert that I
didn't get to go see. And if it comes to theatres,
like, I'm absolutely be there with like a smile on my face,
so. So you guys have anything you
want to plug it all? No.
Not me. Nothing to plug for me.
Unless you're super into academic publishing, then I can

(02:04:50):
hook you up. But I do have to go.
OK. Yeah, well.
It was really fun, thank you forhaving me.
Yeah, thank you so much for joining me.
So yeah, if you wanna follow me at Big Wishart, Blue Sky,
Twitter and Letterbox and give me a shot there, Movie Pod, you
can follow Movie Pod on Twitter and Blue Sky as well, as well as
YouTube. Next week, the new format begins

(02:05:10):
and I'm starting it off with Paul Davis Anderson's Resident
Evil. Very fun discussion.
So really looking forward to that.
So yeah, until next week, take care.
Bye. Bye.

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