TIFF 2025 (Frankenstein, Wake Up Dead Man, Rental Family, Sentimental Value, Hamnet, No Other Choice, Train Dreams, and more!) w/ Andrew Joe Potter

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Hello and welcome to Movie Pod, the podcast.
What movies? So this is going to be a bonus
episode this week. I spent 11 days at the Toronto
International Film Festival and I spent many of those days with
my friend Andrew Joe Potter. So I'm being joined by Andrew
Joe Potter to discuss TIF. How are you doing, Andrew?
Ryan it is wonderful to be here in the movie pod studio.

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It's fancy, isn't it? It's well decorated.
I like what you've done with theplace.
Beautiful upholstery. As can't get that smell out of
there. Not sure how to get rid of the
smell. Yeah, well, some for Breeze
maybe. Oh, no.
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The official sent. The official scent of movie pod.
Yeah, I need some sponsors. That'd be great.
I wonder what the most low stakes sponsor I can get to give
me free stuff sent to. Me, I think an official odor
sponsor would be great, especially would have been
helpful during TIF lots of people who were bathing to
various degrees of quality so. I had a couple of screenings

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where the guy beside me clearly was not wearing any deodorant
and it was pretty nasty. Was it me?
No, it wasn't. You're good.
You're totally fine. I brought stick with doing it
with me in my bag all the time and reapply it throughout the
day just to be certain. I don't want to be that guy at a
Film Festival. Yeah, yeah.
I was sitting next to one guy who was clearly not wearing any
underpants. Was.
Disgusting. Yeah, that's nasty.

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And also no pants. I guess that's the important
factor. Was it like jerking off to
Christie or something? To train dreams.
Train dreams. Oh.
Yeah, yeah, he's, he loved that wet dream.
Yeah. Yeah, so I saw 43 movies at
TIFF, which is kind of a lot. How many did you see?

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OK. Well, first of all, it's not a
competition. Yeah.
I saw 14. That's completely.
That's way more reasonable than I did.
Yeah, I think I saw fourteen of those 14.
We probably went to I think 9 or10 screenings together.
I think so, yeah. A lot of them together and a lot
of them were the same movies, maybe just different time slots,

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but. Yeah, because we didn't really
go into TIFF with plans. I think we we had plans to see
Mile and Kicks together, but other than that we kind of went
with the flow. Yeah, yeah, it actually ended up
being despite all. I mean, I don't know if you want
to get into like the big pictureabout the festival, but like at
the start of the 11 day stretch,it was um, like you were hearing

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a lot of chatter on Reddit on the app normally known as
formerly known as Twitter. Like you're hearing a lot of
chatter about, oh, this is terrible.
The ticketing process is just completely broken this year.
Impossible to get into any filmsyou want.
But by the end, they obviously they hold tickets until for
public release later into the festival and they added

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additional screenings. So when all was said and done, I
felt like there was a few films I didn't end up seeing that I
that I'll end up seeing in the fall.
But for the most part, I think Ionly hit hit 14 films and most
of them were like, you know, some of the bigger ones I was
playing to see or wanting to see.
So I felt like it was actually apretty accessible festival this

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year. Definitely was, yeah.
Cuz I think people so like, you know, the big heavy hitters this
festival were like a Frankenstein and wake up Dead
man, like Knives out three. And like those were very hard to
get into premiere. So immediately, like those ones
are the the midnight madness movie, Nirvana, the band, the
show, the movie. Those were tickets at like they

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sold out instantly and people were trying to resell and take a
master for like 400 five, $100. And people just like a
Ticketmaster and say, oh shit like this tip is too expensive.
Takes for $500. That's just a reseller.
But realistically, the movies just sold out.
Like you just got to look at that as the movie being sold
out. You're not looking at trying to
buy tickets from a scalper or something.

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And great, they open up, take usout the week too.
So like we, we saw Frank assigned together.
We both saw wake up Dead man. Well, they've been several value
we saw, we saw like we got I wasable to pretty much every single
major movie I wanted to see. I just had to refresh
Ticketmaster for tickets being dropped and stuff and they added
more screens went along. So like yeah, a lot of people

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complaining how festival is inaccessible, but in the end it
was like I saw other than Nirvana, the band, the show, the
movie, I saw every movie I wanted to see.
Like I even saw no other choice,which was most anticipated movie
The festival just because it wonthe audience prize.
So they add an extra screening to.
It Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously there's,
there's several ways to do the festival and if you've got a

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full time job or you have a fulltime job that isn't like isn't
related to the film industry, like yeah, you're not able to
get to 4 films a day in the middle of the week.
And a lot of those extra screenings do end up getting set
for Friday morning at 9:00 AM. So it is, it is a thing where

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maybe the average person isn't gonna be able to get to some of
these films, but like a lot of these films are also coming out
in a month, two months anyway, or going straight to Netflix
when they do come out, so. The funniest 1 is that there was
all kinds of site posters around.
Tip for a movie called Swiped with Lily James.
It's about the founding of Bumble.
So that's premiere at TIFF there, but it comes out on

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Disney Plus. I think like I think it might
already be on Disney Plus. Like it was like came like a
week, like a few days after TIF ended.
And like you could spend like the $30 or the $60.00 for
premium ticket to go see this movie at the festival or just
wait a couple days to see it at home on streaming service.
But like part of the big appeal is that if you were to see this
movie swipe like opening night, you can see like Lily James and

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attendance. You can do see a Q&A.
It's like there is all the celebrity stuff you can see too.
And I kind of lucked out this year because I saw a lot of
cleaning. I saw a lot of celebrities and
I'm still getting Q&A is the last day of the festival too.
So they tend to front load TIF. They tend to put like all the
heavy hitters at the first weekend of the festival get a

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lot of buzz there. Like the whole King Street where
most TIFF is centred around is like closed down to just
pedestrian foot traffic way to the week they opened up like car
traffic and stuff. They have less of the big
premieres. They still have some, but like
not not not the huge ones. The first weekend is the one
that has all the massive premieres.
Second weekend is kind of just smaller things.
But one thing I love doing festival this year is I love

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seeing the smaller movies because like I use the rush pass
and rush pass is a weird thing to explain.
So they have a rush line with basically everything.
You have a line in front of it and if the movie has empty seats
inside, be like sponsors don't show up, people don't show up
their tickets, they might just have some tickets in every point
on sale there as first come, first serve in the rush line.

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So some movies that only a few people in, sometimes they look
like a bigger thing. They like 60 people are kind of
thing. And So what I did at the
festival, I gotta rush pass for 80 bucks and I think I saw about
25 movies with that rush pass. So I got a great value with
that. But you have to be flexible.
You have to be willing to if youdon't get to that movie, you
wait just for the next one that pops up there.

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And I just kind of just gained the line seeing it first, this
first serve. And I saw some wonderful small
world premieres from movies thatwere would never be my radar.
Like I saw a good Turkish drama called As We Breathe.
So world premiere that that would never been my radar.
It's all great move for Singapore called Amoeba.
That was bro premiere. I wouldn't I would never have
looked at that movie ever in my life.

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And I thought it was fantastic. And so like, that's the way I
did the festival was like, I waskind of like, you know, I got
tickets for the heavy hitters I wanted to see and supplemented
that with like just getting in line, seeing as maybe they could
by just rushing and using my rush pass and gave my my full
monetary value out of that. Yeah, yeah.
I mean, you definitely got the bang for your buck there.

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How long do you think you waitedin line for each of those?
Would you say 252325 screenings that you rushed for?
The two longest ones are rushed for were poetic license.
The the comedy might by the comedy, directed by Maude
Apatow. Sorry, her mom, Leslie Mann
asked with Alice Cooper Hoffman,Andrew Barth Feldman.

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It was a second screening. I waited 90 minutes in line and
I had a backup moving case. Couldn't get into that one.
But that was so high that the full cast and crew there for the
Q&A, which is really cool. I got the John Apatow, like, you
know, that's a proud dad taking a video of his daughter during
her introduction. So I was 90 minutes.
I also weighed 90 minutes for IfI Had Legs like Kick You, which

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is a Rose Byrne movie, which is phenomenal.
It's basically as stressful as Knives Out about a woman's
complete unraveling as like her daughter sick, our house is
falling apart, her husband's away.
And so yeah, wait 90 minutes forboth of those for sometimes I
would literally go to the rush line they be handing down, take
it that note or want and I wouldget in within like 30 seconds of

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being in the rush line. So last year when I was at TIFF,
I think I spent like cumulatively 24 hours in a rush
line at probably this tip. I was there longer.
I probably spent like maybe 18 hours in a rush line.
You saw you saw way more films this year too.
Yeah, I saw over double what I saw last year.

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And also what I love about TIF as well is that you everyone's
there for the same purpose, which is to see movies.
So everyone has the same common interest.
So it's fantastic. Just be able to chat people in
the line about movies and that'show you kind of get the idea of
what movies are good, what movies are bad.
So with the TIF, like every movie has multiple screenings
unless there's rare exceptions. So you kind of get the buzz

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about it. So here about one movie, like I
think a great example is we can talk about the Elvis movie we
saw. So they're pretty much giving
away free tickets to this Elvis.We were Baz Luhrman.
So it's not the awesome Butler Elvis movie.
But when Bass Lauren was making the awesome Butler movie, he
found about 55 hours of unused Elvis Elvis footage from his

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Vegas years, as well as what 45 minutes of audio of Elvis
talking was creative process. So Baz Luhrmann spliced together
this documentary using the same technology to restore the
footage that Peter Jackson used for The Beatles Get Back
documentary. There was like $90.00 ticket,
but they're giving away with thepromo code like 15 bucks.
So I snaked the ticket there. Like I'll just like trade this
ticket the day of. And then pretty much like no, no

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takers because they're actually giving way ticket for free at
that point. So we both went to the screening
and it was incredible. I don't care for Elvis.
I don't care about luring, but the energy of the crowd was just
so phenomenal. And after that, because like
this is a ticket that I pretty much giving away.
And then they added an extra screen to the movie.
It 1 runner up for the documentary prize of the
festival. And that was probably just by

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pure word of mouth that they runout of screen because like that
was that was unknown's radar because they're giving away
tickets. And then just, it got a lot of
buzz about the festival and that's the kind of momentum that
we was trying to build. Like a, the biggest prize for
TIFF is the People's Choice award prize.
Um, what's notable that is that like, pretty much it's what

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kicks off the Oscar season, the award season.
And I think for the past, like since like 2008, when Slumdog
Millionaire won, only about 3 or4 People's Choice winners have
not been up for best picture at the Oscars.
So like, people try to build themomentum to, you know, get the

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buzz going. They add extra screenings to
movies to try and get more people to go and see the movie a
bit. I think one thing we really
noticed was we were trying to dothat.
We called Christie Boy. We saw it together.
It's about the boxer Christy Martin, who's at the first big,
like, you know, female boxer in the world, like the first big,

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like, you know, huge female boxing star.
So she's played by Sydney Sweeney in the movie.
Her abusive husband and trainer is played by Ben Foster and
instructed by the guy at Animal Kingdom, which I've not seen but
heard great things about. And yeah, and it's like a pretty
by the numbers biopic. Pretty by the number of sports
boxing movie, but it is about a woman who is like, you know,

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closely queer. It's maybe about like, you know,
perseverance and such. And we saw the second screening
and they still have the full Q&Aof like having the cast and crew
there. They had the real Christy Martin
there. And during the premiere, there's
there's a dog in the movie. And during the premiere, they
had like this one partner in theQ&A where they pretended the dog
like, oh God, away from the handlers rushing on the stage

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into someone's arms. And then during the second
screen that we saw, they did theexact same thing again.
Like, OK, they're trying to get people to talk about maybe a lot
because they think this movie can actually, you know, when the
big award and I was surprised that actually didn't wasn't a
runner up even because like thatone was like that's probably the
most my crowd reacted to a moviefor allative other than everyone

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weeping and hammed it. I think that was the most
everyone actually responded to amovie.
Well, I I was weeping at the endof Christie because I was so
thankful that it had finally ended, but.
I'm so boring. It was it.
It's funny you say it was by thenumbers, because I think
literally so. The director comes out
afterwards and he says in his nice Australian accent, we were

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really trying to make it different kind of boxing film.
And it's literally every single trope.
Like they've got Brian House House spoilerific.
Are we, are we getting here? Are we avoiding?
Are we trying to get to keep it top level?
I will say just for the sake of right now, if you don't wanna
get spoke with me, Christie, skip ahead 60 seconds.
It's based on a true story, though.

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But yeah, let's just put 60 seconds on the clock.
Skip ahead 60 seconds right now if you don't get spoke for what,
Christie? Yeah, as we said, real Christy
Martin and her dog were at the at the screening, so that in
itself is a spoiler. But yeah, everything.
So paint by numbers, the mom is like the straight out of it's
the same mom that I think it's Margot Martindale plays in

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$1,000,000 baby just like the over the top sort of redneck mom
who who is just like never, never pleased.
They've got, they've got a few other characters in it that are
like we both said, like that was, was that an SNL skit?
Yeah, Don King, Chad L Coleman as Don King.
Yeah, I feel like. We're literally thinking this
guy, this could have been KeenanThompson in a sketch.

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Like, he's playing it so broad and obviously Don King is a
character in real life, but still, there's some parts of it
that just seemed so at odds, especially when you've got this
very paint by numbers boxing picture, but then also this kind
of psychosexual drama about thiswoman's kind of repress,
repressing, repressing her queerness and coming to terms

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with that. So that was just, yeah, the, the
blatant, I guess. OK, we're out of spoiler
territory now. The blatant blatant bring to the
back row. Like please, please vote for us.
I just think that the big pop inthe theatre was for Sydney
Sweeney and that was that was the the celebrity factor.

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I don't I don't think anyone whohas seen more than 3 movies this
year could possibly could credibly call that like even
like a fringe like Oscar contender on any front it.
Just feels like a Golden Globe nominated performance with
Sydney Sweeney and Ben Foster isa dark horse Golden Globe

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nominee like. Well, I also think like all
these recent boxing movies have come out in the wake of like
ever since I think we said like Southpaw with Gyllenhaal,
whatever 1110 years ago. J Allen Hall in that movie is
absolutely ripped. And then every boxing or
fighting movie that's come out since they've made this big

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thing about, you know, Orlando Bloom has undergone the
transformation of a lifetime to get ready for this role.
He was in a really crappy boxingmovie last year that was at TIFF
called The Cut Um. But it's only getting released
like this week and like some countries it got delayed a long.
Time because it's bad and it's the same thing.
It's like a bad paint by numbersboxing movie that they try to

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make give it a larger underlyingstory.
But it's just I think if you're gonna basic campaign around the
crazy body transformation, like you actually have to be
ridiculously cut. You can't just be like Sydney
Sweeney going from being very, very tiny on euphoria to now

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being like a normal sized woman in crispy.
Like I think you had some stuff like oh, she probably like 2030
lbs of muscle or something that,but you can't really see it.
No, she's wearing, it's a lot ofboxy shirts and a lot of she's
kind of dressing like a mix between Billie Eilish and Adam
Sandler the entire. Movie.
It's a lot of long knee length shorts, athletic shorts and

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really boxy 90s T-shirts so. Alive is them trying to clearly
high top busty. She is like, that was a big part
of clothing I think more so thanher.
Kind of like they're trying to hide that more than trying to
like, like show off how like, muscular she is.
So big picture with Sweeney, So what do you think?
Because I actually, so I think the movie for me like was was

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very middle, middle tier. And I think her performance
relative to if we're if we're being told we're supposed to
hold her up as a potential, oh, maybe think about her come Oscar
season. Like it was a fine performance,
but like she's it's clear she's not in the same tier as like a
like a better dramatic actress, but.

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Obviously not yet, because like I I like say sweet laws, an
actress I and most things. I think she's there's something
in there that's always interesting, even like something
anybody but you, which is a bad movie, like the opening stuff.
She has a lot of comedic potential in that movie.
The movie doesn't really follow up on.
I think she's great new Phoria. I think she's going to white
Lotus like so I think she's a good actress.
It's just that this one just feels like I've seen this

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before. So you have the axe and you have
the like, you know, the you practice how to do some boxing
and stuff. So it's just not, it's like it's
transformation in the way she's transforming into something so
cookie cutter thou like it's notimpressive.
Yeah, and she's doing a really areally kind of hammy like
Eastern Southeastern United States, like South Carolina,

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Tennessee accent that's just like it's she sounds like a like
an impression of Julia Garner inOzark.
Like it's very like mother fucker, what do you you go fuck
yourself? And it says, yeah, OK.
Like, that's a, I mean, maybe that's true to the real life,
but it was a lot of that choice for the entire movie.

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It wasn't very like, yeah, it just wasn't like a special or
unique movie at all. It it's it's I thought it was
like, it's just OK. Like it's not the worst thing at
the festival I saw. It's not that far from the best
it had that just had the biggestaudience reaction, which I found
to be pretty fascinating considering how like basically,
But you're right, it could have been a celebrity face like, Oh
my God, Sandy Sweeney might be coming out so.

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I think it says a lot. I think it says a lot that they
chose TIF to launch that film. Yeah, because I don't if they
had played that at Venice, Sir Telluride, I think some of those
audiences would have, would havereally rolled their eyes.
I don't think it would have gotten that, that rapturous
response in the in the theatre. Yeah.
So in regards to that, like TIFFis like the largest public, I

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think might be just the largest Film Festival in the world, but
it's for sure the largest publicfacing one because like effort,
like the general public could see the exact same movies as the
critics and industry people. So like they might have special
present industry screenings, butthose movies also get a full
release that any Joe Schmo off the street can go see the movie
as well. So with that, you can kind of
get the crowd pleaser movies outthere.

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And so movies like Green Book where one People's Choice at
TIFF, they're like American fiction, like Fable man.
So kind of movies that kind of like pull your heartstrings a
little bit, like, you know, kindof SAP your movies can kind of
win the top prize there because like you gotta get people like
kind of be surprised by the emotion they're feeling.
So it's kind of a good like bellwether for figuring out the

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movies going to play emotionallywith the crowd.
So TIFF will have movies like that pop up a fair amount.
Um, so like Christy is one that,yeah, you're right, it makes
total sense why they're premiered at.
It's pretty calculated why it premiered.
They're not like the Cannes FilmFestival.
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure would have gotten a 14 minute standing

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ovation at at Cane as well because everything does
apparently. So there you.
Go yeah so I was actually reading wide movies get such
long standing ovations at the camp Film Festival part of
circle jerk. But the main reason is
apparently I saw the best example being for the fabled few
years ago and got a super long standing ovation.
And what they basically did was they just like they introduce
all the actors to the screencastand the screen slowly 1 by 1 and

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they have a camera put it on them.
So they see him on the screen there.
So it was like, alright, here itcomes like Gabriel LaBelle, like
thunderous applause like a minute.
And then like here comes like Steven Spielberg, here comes
this person like everyone applauding the person by person.
And some like Judd Hirsch name popped up there and you got a
very, very long applause becausehe's old.
Took him long to get to the stage.
So the reason I was getting along applause is because

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there's other things going on inthe theatre too.
It's not just people just standing around applauding at
nothing. But I've heard that also does
happen. It can, that's just a thing,
that part of the tradition of the festival there.
But luckily with TIF, there's not really that long standing
ovation stuff. I think busting ovations were
probably that Elvis Presley wantin Christie, like people
actually sending from playing the whole time.

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Yeah. Right.
Those are like premieres are close to premieres.
But like, yeah, like, so I yeah.So like the standing ovation
thing is kind of silly when it comes to counting those as like
a real metric for a quality of amovie.
Yeah. So I'm going through my list
right now. Movies that we saw at TIFF.
So another one we saw the world premiere for was a Mile End
Kicks. Right.

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Yeah. Do you explain that a little
bit? Sure, Yeah.
So this is the Chandler Levack'sfollow up to I Like Movies from
a few years ago. So this is her second
directorial feature and it's about, it's a semi

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autobiographical retelling of Lavex time as a music critic in
Montreal in the early 20 tens. So right, kind of at the tail
end of the indie sleeze era. And it stars Barbie Ferreira,
also of Euphoria fame. And it's got a few other names

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that I hadn't really seen before, including Isaiah Letnan,
who was the star of Levee's first film.
I like movies. It plays a supporting part.
But really it's this love triangle between Barbie
Ferreira, who's the music critic, and these two guys who
are in a indie band, One of whomis sort of this peacocking,

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strutting almost. He's kind of a wind Butler type
and both both in his role in theband as this kind of artistic
genius, but also with his kind of doughy face and weak chin.
And. Kind of confusing, confusing

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appeal. And then the other guy is played
by Devon Bostick, who's the guitarist and lead guitarist.
And he's more of the sensitive cerebral type on the side who's
kind of espousing all these mantras about how he's, how he's
become celibate and how he sort of positions himself as being

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sort of the more sensitive counterpart to the braggadocious
lead played by Stanley Simons. Um, so it's this, it's this
interesting love triangle in some respects, it does follow a
lot of those love triangle ROM com sort of beats.

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One thing I do, there's also there's that like with the love
triangle is that like she's really into both of them, but
for various reasons they're not really into her.
So it's interesting because you get to see like a woman being
really horny in a movie, whereasthe men have like there are
sexually active people, There's actually attracted to her in
some ways. But like it's really interesting

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seeing a movie that's like a love triangle where it's not
fully requited both ways, which I think is like a lot of drama
in the movie cause a lot of goodstuff there too.
And like also works with looks just like a I like movies where
it's like a lot of the it's the protagonist fucking up a lot.
It's like them kind of a, you know, kind of being selfish

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around the world around them. Yeah, because that's The thing
is like Barbie Ferreira. So her character Grace shows up.
She's recently, so she's been doing, I guess, freelance music
criticism for a I think in the movie, it's funny, she works.
She's done freelance for Spin Magazine, but she's also working
for basically like Toronto's version of Spin Magazine.

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I think it's like a, I think it's a made-up.
It's a made-up thing for sure. Yeah, it's called, though.
Jay Baruchel is like the editor.Yeah, Jay Baruchel is the
editor, and he's kind of, it's kind of a different sort of role
for him because he's kind of he's a he's a little skeezy.
And it's clear right from the get go that he's kind of a, he's

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at best maybe emotionally manipulative and at worst, maybe
there's some other stuff that's gone on between him and his much
younger female colleague. And right away, you get this
sense that within The Newsroom, the character Grace is dealing
with this patriarchal system. She's the only woman in the
entire office and often very, like, physically separated from

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the inner circle of the boys club.
And whenever she chimes in, everyone's kind of surprised to
discover that she's actually there.
Like, she's such an afterthoughtto everyone in The Newsroom.
So she goes to Montreal with this mandate.
She's received this contract to write an entry of the the sort

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of short essay series called 33 1/2 or 33 and a third. 33 and
30. Yeah, yeah.
So this is, This is funny cause I actually remember these having
to read these in school back in the day as part of my, my
studies. So, but they're, they're these
books where you do, it's a handful of essays about one

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album. So she's been given this
contract to write a book, one ofthese sort of essay books about
Alanis Morissette, Jagged LittlePill, and how this completely
overturns the music industry in the 90s and how this sort of
like female rage had never really had that sort of

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platform. And then have people have it
become such a commercial successas well and resonate with
audiences. So she's been contracted to
write this book of essays. So she decides to go to Montreal
and immerse herself in the musicscene there to really focus in.
And that's where she kind of falls half sideways into this
love triangle scenario. It's a nice film.

(28:18):
I really like. It's really good, yeah.
And Full disclosure, our seats were directly in front of the
cast, specifically right in front of Isaiah Lettin, who was
literally tackling the entire. Length He was having the time of
his life. His laugh is so infectious.
Yeah, yeah, he's he's the nut films #1 supporter for sure.

(28:39):
And he's just he's, he's a funny, he's a funny guy.
I'm interested to have a conversation with her, him.
But yeah, it's a nice film. I, I think in the way that for
me, I like movies every, you know, there are two times I've
watched it since I first saw it.It has grown for me in different

(29:00):
ways and I my appreciation for that is deepened.
I'm, I'm curious to see if that's the same thing that will
happen with this film, because in some ways I think it meanders
a bit longer in, you know, different directions that maybe
you can say the momentum dips atcertain points.
But I think it's a nice film. And there's one thing about

(29:23):
Chandler Leveque is there's no one who's doing the sort of
Canadian millennial experience with that level of hyper
specificity like. Self deprecation too.
I think it's really helps it too.
It's like but it's not a cruel for his self deprecation.
It's like it feels like a prettyrealistic way to look at
yourself, but also like it's vulnerable but not just purely

(29:48):
humiliating. Yeah, yeah.
And there are times where you dowonder, like, really, Barbie
Ferreira is kind of throwing herself at both of these dudes.
And these guys are like finding every reason to not to not hook
up with Barbie Ferreira. Yeah.
Interesting. Yeah, that's, I guess we're
trending into the territory of Fable at this point.

(30:11):
But I think I think she's got the goods.
I think that Barbie Ferreira, she's she's been picking up
really smart projects. And I think obviously there's a
lot of kids, kids they're all intheir mid to late 20s now.
But all these young performers who came out of euphoria.
And I think in various ways we've already talked about

(30:34):
Sydney Sweeney and we touched onMod Apatow.
There's there's another big one we'll talk about later.
But like, you know, it is interesting to see them all kind
of come into their own. And now away from that ensemble,
you realize who actually has like the serious chops and you
know, we'll we'll be I'll be really interested to see what

(30:54):
projects for era continues to attach yourself to.
Yeah, so like actually let's have a real order from his time.
Well, let's keep going Euphoria route.
So when we talk about Frankenstein.
Yeah. OK.
So yeah. So do you wanna set her?
Up yeah. So it's doing Frankenstein so

(31:16):
it's yeah. So it's almost exactly an expect
from Frankenstein movie. It's doesn't have much of the
Boris Karloff movie DNA to it. So it's more an adaptation of
the book and makes them a fair amount of changes to it.
But like it focuses heavily on the Oscar Isaac.
He plays Doctor Victor Frankenstein and Jacob Elordi
from Euphoria plays the creature.

(31:38):
This movie also really focuses in just like in the book.
How like, like Frankenstein's father wasn't there for him, so
he's and him being like the father of his own creation, he's
not there for his creation either.
So it's the cycle of bad fatherhood.
Duckworth. I would have my low, deep
empathy from that, which makes it a really fascinating body.

(31:59):
The craftsmanship is on point. It's a del Toro movie, so
there's a lot of fantastic modelwork, prosthetic work,
animatronics. It looks spectacular.
One thing the marketing is doingreally well is they're trying to
hide what the creature looks like.
And I think that's pretty smart because what the creature looks
like is actually really interesting.
And yeah, a Lordy is just so good in the movie.

(32:20):
Like like a like it's, it's it'shard to Harrisburg Frankenstein
cause the book has been around for 100 years and it's been told
a million times. But like the structure of it is
that like they do shift the focus from one point from on
Oscar Isaac doing he's in a really fun mad scientist role,
but it's something you've seen amad scientist do a lot.
But when the focus shifts to Jacob already is the creature, I

(32:40):
think the movie kicks up into high gear and goes really
fascinating. Yeah, because this really.
So this movie is, this movie is 2 1/2 hours and it's really.
So there's a, a quick prologue, there's a, there's a framing
narrative throughout and but there's, there's a, there's
this, it's really A2 parter. And, uh, so Oscar Isaac occupies

(33:05):
the first like hour of this film.
And it is, it is, it is fun because GDT fills, fills the
picture with all these amazing character actors.
So they've got, so I don't know if you want to list off some of
these other folks that show up here.
We've got Christoph Waltz as sort of the mysterious

(33:27):
benefactor to Doctor Frankenstein studies.
We've got Charles Dance showing up as part of the kind of
flashback sequence as as. Long as it's.
Father Victor Frankenstein's father, the the sort of cruel
and cold and distant father. We've got Mia Goth as the niece

(33:50):
of Christoph Waltz's mysterious benefactor, and she shows up and
just immediately starts doing creepy Mia Goth stuff.
So she's talking about bugs, andshe's looking like, you know,
this expressionist, like a porcelain doll, like, yeah,

(34:11):
yeah. And there's a few other kind of
interesting people who show up later, but it's just it's fun
just to see these folks all in there, I guess.
Is it Victorian era? I'm, I'm not sure exactly.
Yeah. So there's there's lots of just
really hammy, you know, they usually the usual hammy

(34:33):
Christoph Waltz stuff, the typically at a high frequency
Mia Goth stuff and you've got Oscar Isaac there and he's fine,
I think, I think. He's good in the movie for what
the assignment is. He understands the assignment.
He's doing the mad scientist thing pretty well.
There's one thing that I never mentioned after the movie, and I

(34:57):
in the in the movie, I think I even I almost turned you and
said something, but I, I held off because, you know, talking
in the movie theatre. Did Oscar Isaac have a nipple
ring? I did not notice.
We're gonna have to stop the pod, and we're gonna have to
reach out to Netflix for comment.
To yeah, asking for a screen or copy.

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This is the most important unanswered question about this
movie. I was like, wait a second, what?
Maybe I am, maybe I'm just. That was late in the festival
for me and I was starting to see, I was starting to see
ghosts, but. You still see nipple rings and
all the performances. Yeah, definitely we there should
be more nipple rings definitely in cinema.
I will say one of the So this movie is a part of Del Toro's

(35:42):
Netflix deal. So this will get the I think
they usually get like a maybe a limited run like a week maybe.
Week or two, yeah. And a lot of the big chains in
Canada and the US won't carry Netflix movies because of the
sensitivity around the, uh, the lack of windowing at the

(36:07):
exclusive window around before when these Netflix movies hit
streaming. I think this is because, so
there are parts of this movie where it looks incredible.
The set design, the costuming, the makeup, those aspects of a
del Toro movie are just. I appreciate how much she puts

(36:28):
into that, but there are also are a few moments that I
registered where the computer generated elements are.
Oh, they they didn't seem to meet the the level of the
practical effects. Yeah, like the wolves and such.
Yeah, there's there's some CGI animals involved that don't,

(36:50):
that don't quite keep you grounded in this pretty highly
stylized movie. So that's a tough thing.
But I do wonder as people begin to see this, because far more
people will see this on a laptopthan in a theatre with 500 other

(37:12):
people. Which is so disappointing and I
saw that apparently I think TIFFLightbox theatre in Toronto's
getting this in 35mm. I know the Highland cinema in
London they get a lot of Netflixreleases too.
Single pop up here and one of the reasons why Frank is on in
Knives Out. Really hard to see it.
TIF was because one of the biggest the the venue at TIFF
with the most amount of screens is a Scotiabank Theatre which is

(37:33):
a cineplex and cineplex refuses to play any Netflix movies.
So it was Hersey Frankenstein, just because there's only so few
venues that could actually play it.
Yeah, yeah, I I do wonder if whatever issues I'm having,
maybe with some of the CGI, whether when people do see this

(37:56):
on a smaller screen, whether some of those issues just won't
be as noticeable. So maybe there's a bit of a
tradeoff there. I do wonder about this film in
terms of like, I think this willbe in the awards conversation in
the next four months the same way that Like Nosferatu was.
Exactly. A lot of.
Below the line for costuming andmakeup and set deck and all

(38:22):
those elements. But I think the big take away
for this one is Jacob already asthe as the monster.
I I like him a lot as an actor, him playing Elvis and me.
Priscilla was phenomenal. He's great new phoria a lot of
people getting euphoria Yeah, he's like one of those he's
really going to Canada last year.

(38:43):
He's like one of those really exciting up and coming actors.
I think he's escaped as a teen heartthrob image by picking a
really interesting roles. I know Andrew Garfield was an
issue playing at the creature inthis movie and I think that was
a smart choice for a I think it was the strikes that caused
Andrew Garvin penis maybe I think a Lori did a better job
than Garfield good. I think Lori has an intensity

(39:03):
that Garfield not. Hmm and Jacob already is also
like he's like 6-5 or something.Like, he's tall, he's huge.
Yeah, and that frame is put to good use in this movie as this
ominous figure. Yeah, I think also like
tutorials with some perspective tricks when it comes to shooting
it so it looks even taller. At points, yeah.

(39:25):
They used a little person as Oscar Isaacs.
No, yeah. You know, it's, it's funny.
He's put so much focus on like every, if you go back through
the even just the like the Wikipedia page for Frankenstein,

(39:45):
like you'll see Del Toro has been talking about making a
Frankenstein movie for like 20 years.
And in a lot of ways, like I kind of think he's made
Frankenstein already indifferent.
He's taking different angles andbut like he's done a lot of
similar stories, like there's Frankenstein in Shape of Water,

(40:06):
there's Frankenstein in Pinocchio.
A lot of Hellboy, a lot of the visual style obviously is, is
pretty similar to like, you know, Pan's Labyrinth, like I
got a lot of things and. 5 vibesfrom this movie.
Yeah, so on one hand, I don't know, I I wonder if he was so
focused on making this that it almost impossibly hyped up for

(40:30):
what ended up being a pretty like a good retelling, But not
don't think this has closed the book on it there ever being
another Frankenstein adaptation.It's pretty paint by numbers in
the end, with some really fun, flashy performances.
But I think if you've only seen Frankenstein, a Boris Karloff

(40:50):
movie, or in the pop culture vein, I think that this will
kind of might surprise you if you don't know the book too
well, because this is pretty close to what the book is
tackling thematically and narratively.
I think it's worth checking out and I think I think a lot of
people will will settle in on itbeing a good movie.
Yeah, and let's see the theatre if you can.
I think it comes out limited runin October is on net Netflix in

(41:14):
November I believe. So like it's not that far away
of a wait, but it was cool getting to see the festival
cause we got to be sure to see on the big screen, which is
something that it's a bit hard to do.
Yeah. So you want to stick to some
Netflix movies may talk about a wake up dead man.
Absolutely. Yeah, so.
So who did it? That's I mean, so that's The

(41:38):
funny thing about this movie andand I don't know if you want to
put on an extended spoiler countdown here because it's
really it's it's it's it's a hard 1 to get into without I.
Think let's not even get close to spoiling this one because I
feel like this is part of the excitement is that there's gonna
be like, we know how it turns out three months before going to

(41:59):
premiere. So yeah, we're not gonna spoil
what happens in a wake up dead man.
Like we can talk what's in the trailer.
So like, you know, clearly it's a murder mystery and it's like a
small town parish. I guess the basic gist of this
is that like the main suspect ofthis murder is Joshua Conner,
who plays like a new pre set of new Parish there.
So he gets ahold of Benoit Blancor the police get ahold Benwell

(42:21):
Blanc, played by Daniel Craig tokind of help out with this case
there because it's a seemingly impossible murder how it
happened there. So like, because it's the
seemingly impossible murder, a lot of people think it's like,
you know, if it was anyone else,it would have to be a miracle,
some kind of had to be somethingthat's kind of like other
worldly. And the kind of vibes and tone

(42:41):
of it as very is a lot more likethe first now as a lot more of a
gothic setting where glass onion, which is like a very
bizarre vibe of the movie. So it's almost a 22 handed
between Daniel Craig and Josh O'Connor.
Joshua Connor is phenomenal in this movie.
He's so good. Well, that's so that's so

(43:02):
there's there's, I mean, there'sso my thing with spoilers with
this movie is there's two ways to approach the spoilers. 1 is
there's the case itself, but I think also the structure of the
film is, is hard to talk, hard to talk about without kind of
spoiling how this film might be a little different than some of
the other films in the series. Yeah, it's about that Josh

(43:23):
O'Connor character. Yeah, so it takes this movie
long. It's like a 2 hours 20 minutes
and the first like 20 minutes tohalf an hour are pretty much all
Josh O'Connor and setting up therest of the cast.
Like 100% Josh O'Connor, I don'tthink you don't hear Daniel
Craig doesn't show up on the screen and you don't even hear

(43:44):
Benoit Blanc mentioned until literally like 30 minutes into
the movie. You gotta get a brief glimpse
for like a second year to start there, but not much like it is
truly. He doesn't show for awhile, and
I know a lot of people who I talked to said they didn't like
that it was a slow buildup. But I think that the cast is so
damn good in this movie and the characters are so interesting

(44:05):
that setting them up in that wayallows them to unravel in such
an interesting manner. I think that's a problem.
I really watch Glass Onion and Knives Out earlier this week.
I think this is my favorite of the three.
And I think that's the problem with the 1st 2 movies is that
they rely on most of the cast being extremely like dumb as
bricks for the movie to work as a mystery gets unraveled.

(44:28):
But this one characters are pretty intelligent across the
board. They all have interesting
motives for what why they would want to know, why they would not
want to do something. And I think it's a really fun
mystery to unravel because like,you kind of like, it's not just
like all this person's dumbest bricks.
They made a mistake like this. It's like, Oh no, like this is
like, well, sketchy characters played by great actors.

(44:48):
Like Glenn Close is so fucking good in this movie.
She is so funny. Yeah, like like, I don't know if
you wanna like just go down the bench here, like like close.
Yeah. So Daniel Craig and Josh
O'Connor, as you say, are kind of the the two hander.
It's A2 hander with Josh O'Connor is kind of takes the

(45:10):
lead in the first third and thenthey both kind of share in the
second third and the final third.
It truly becomes a Benaloh Blanc.
Let me explain how this happened.
The usual wrap up, but then going down it's like Glenn
Close, Josh Brolin, Mila Kunis, Jeremy Renner, Kerry Washington,
Andrew Scott, Kaylee Spanley, Thomas Hayden Church and an

(45:33):
actor I hadn't seen before but Darrell McCormick was.
It was a great presence as well.And it's just, there's this
incredibly deep bench and, and every character is, is so
interesting, as you say. And it's just these, you've got
Andrew Scott, you've got Hot Priest.
Basically. He's maybe takes the lead in

(45:58):
like he's the focal point of maybe 2 scenes in the movie and
then part of the ensemble for the rest.
But he's just, this is like a fantastic actor who's just
completely owning the screen formaybe a combined 3 minutes.
It's just there's so many performances like that in this
and every single one seems like it could be its own movie.
Hmm. Yeah.

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And I feel like Ryan Jones got the balance really right in this
movie because I feel like Glass Onion is very showy is
performed, which is very comic and goofy.
Like, you know, Kate Hudson's pretty much like a cartoon in
that movie. Michael Shannon is pretty much
doing a cartoon in the first oneas well.
Like Jamie Cuz is pretty much a cartoon.
I feel like this one is like it's it's, it's like not a heavy

(46:40):
movie, but I feel like the performance is a lot more
grounded in reality. No one comes across as like a
complete total like doofus Looney Tunes character.
Like even Benwell blog. Like he has a different haircut
this time, so his foghorn Leghorn thing doesn't seem
nearly as goofy. Yeah, yeah, I, I did almost want

(47:03):
a bit more of the Kentucky Friedlike, like Louisiana style
Benoit Blanc. He does tone it down a little
bit though. He does also have a lot of kind
of seersucker suits and you know, he he he does still have a
lot of the dandy, the southern dandy look, but he he does tone
it down a bit here. Hmm.

(47:25):
Yeah, I think it's it's wake up Demons are really competent
movie. I thought was a really engaging
movie The whole I was engaged the entire time with it.
Like Frankenstein is gonna get like a limited theatrical run
like a week or two, like November, Netflix really
sometime in December. But yeah, I'm excited watching
me whenever I get a chance to because I was blown away by it.
Like I was really anticipated for me because I would love to

(47:47):
see like the one of the opening nights of it where I can see the
whole cast and crew and everything.
I got to see the red carpet. I got like, you know, Ryan
Johnson, Andrew Scott, Joshua Connor, Kerry Washington back.
That was pretty cool. But like it would been cool See
Daniel second person, but that was not the courage for me this
year. Yeah, Yeah, it is.
It is interesting to think aboutthis series because so now

(48:09):
they've they've they've officially latched on to this
being a the the titles moving forward are, you know, Glass
Onion, Colon and Knives out mystery, wake up dead man Colon,
a Knives out mystery. Ryan Johnson I think recently
came out and said he wished instead of framing these as a
Knives Out mystery moving forward he want he wanted them

(48:32):
to be a a Benoit Blanc mystery. Hmm.
Which is funny because this, this one, this film feels the
least Benoit Blanc feels the least essential to this movie.
There's almost a there's almost a different movie here where
it's just the Josh O'Connor character playing that detective

(48:52):
role. Hmm.
Guys solving himself? Yeah, Without him.
Yeah, like in the name of the Rose style, like investigation
within the church. And really that's I think the
most interesting part of the story isn't the usual sleuthing
and get everyone to tell their perspective and then compare

(49:13):
notes and figure out who's lyinglike that.
That's sort of the expected end of the movie sort of courtroom
style scene where they walked the entire rogues gallery
through what really happened. That part is you have to do
that. So package the film and to wrap
the film up. But the most interesting part
for me was Josh O'Connor's character and thinking about

(49:37):
spirituality. And the real sort of mystery
here is what is the heart of what is the heart of the church?
What is the heart of spirituality?
He's a he's an interesting character and that he comes from
this very rough and tumble past.He's a former boxer who's had
some trouble in the past and he's basically been exiled out

(49:59):
to this outpost in rural New York State to, to try to push
the church in the, in a, in a different direction.
And it is a, it's a, I think we saw it.
So we saw it on the Friday after.
I don't know if you want to get into the real world context
here, but we saw it the day after I think that the Charlie

(50:22):
Kirk assassination happened and the.
And yes, that sounds right, yeah.
There's a lot of interesting commentary in this movie about
performative performative religiousness, performative
politics, using storytelling andnarrative.
Social media, Social media do kind of using these elephant

(50:45):
stories. Using these elements to
consolidate power and whether we, whether we really believe in
something or we're just using itcynically to build ourselves up
and to enrich ourselves. And there is a a character in
the movie who's a kind of an altright, like a failed alt right

(51:07):
politician slash social media influencer who plays a key role.
So it's a it's an interesting film and I think a lot of people
will be able to project a lot ofthings on this movie, whether
they were explicitly in the mindof Ryan Johnson or not.
Well, I guess he'll have to talkabout that when more people see

(51:27):
this movie. But it definitely is in
conversation with contemporary religion and politics in a way
that even though the first two movies have definitely, we're
talking about you. Know the first thing was
basically just settle on like all the rich people rich people
are bad and stupid, right yeah exactly depth of it this one has

(51:48):
a. Lot more to do.
Yeah. This is focusing on a different
sort of like moral corruptness, ethical correctness.
So I think, I think there's a inthe end, I think it ends up
having to settle back into the familiar whodunit mode.
But there's a lot more going on here, especially in the

(52:09):
beginning with Josh O'Connor, than what what you would expect
from this sort of movie. Yeah, Josh O'Connor is just such
an exciting, young, new, like, exciting actor that kind of
popped up on the scene in the past few years.
Check out and like he's been really exciting to watch.
Like him and Challenges is phenomenal.
There's a movie you're talking about?

(52:31):
Like Humira? That one, yeah, yeah.
That's an amazing that's an amazing movie and highly
recommend that if you like Josh O'Connor and anything he's been
in so far. I'm so I'm going down the list
of movies we all start to get. Like we could probably talk
about Steal Away, but that's a movie that I'm not sure it's
going to even get a big release or anything.

(52:54):
Yeah, that's a tough one. It's the it's the horniest movie
I saw this festival by far. But yeah, when you talk about
briefly, it's like, you know, some it's like some takes place
some undisclosed country, some undisclosed time period.
It was like kind of a bit of fascia fascist states happening.
A white family basically runs anUnderground Railroad type system

(53:14):
where they get like a young girls to come on through and
they pass on to the next part ofthe next stop on the railroad
and everything. We have some get out vibes going
on. So you kind of think something
more sinister is going to be happening?
I thought it was really. Good.
I everyone else I talked to didn't really like it.
It's Angela's injury. Rice from the Mean Girls musical

(53:36):
as the lead. Yeah.
So I think it has a wonderful costumes and stuff.
Has a lost a clearly African influence clothing in it.
There's a lot of bizarre spirituality that's kind of
under explained in the movie. And I feel there's about 20
minutes of missing narrative tissue that this got removed at
some point in the adaptation. It was just fine.
I talked to a guy literally who fell asleep during the movie

(53:57):
except for the one scene where she's describing the dream where
she saw like a big veiny penis. It's one of the more perplexing
bits of dialogue in the movie, but she recounts this scene to
her young black friend. Angry, Angry Rice recounts the
scene where she goes where she sees a naked man bathing on the

(54:19):
beach, and then she follows him around a corner.
And then I don't, I can't even repeat it because it's it's,
it's, it's because she compares his penis to a large eel.
And. And cuz she's like describes
yeah, it's like a girl who's like, she's like rich and

(54:41):
somebody has everything she wants to light, but she's really
envious of the sensuality of hisnew friend.
She's made the stopping at her house there.
And so like she's kind of like jealous.
Like this girl is able to get all those guys she's interested
in. So like she's recounting her
sexual frustration and sexual like her basic horniness by
recounting the story and it's very bizarrely delivered.

(55:03):
It's a very horny and weird movie.
It's called Steal Away. I not sure if it's a Canadian
movie. I'm not sure if it's gonna get
like a wide release. It's not gonna get a wide
release for sure. It feels like to be dumped on
Crave, which is always unfortunate because just dumped
on the streaming service. But yeah, we thought we both saw
it and it was just, I liked it more than most.

(55:25):
But it is a movie that people were kind of like fell asleep
during or just it did not resonate with them at all, which
I do not blame them for. Yeah, a movie that really
resonated with me. I saw this one.
You saw Train Dreams, right? Train dreams.
Yes, yes, yes. So you go ahead.

(55:46):
Yeah. So this movie debuted at
Sundance way earlier this year, I believe.
Yeah. And it, and it is, it's, it's
interesting in that it's, it's ethic in scope, but it's only,

(56:06):
it's only about an hour and 40 minutes.
So it's, it's a short movie that's pretty epic, telling sort
of the life of this, this man who lives in the Pacific
Northwest in the late 1800s, early 1900s, hmm, played by Joel
Edgerton. So he is a sort of, he's a, he's

(56:29):
a logger and he's a railroad worker sort of taking on these
manual labour jobs over the years.
Spends a lot of time away from his wife and kid.
His wife played by Felicity Jones.
Yeah, yeah. So it's, it's, it's interesting.
Yeah. It's it's they're on the
frontier. They're on the American
frontier. King, The world's getting

(56:51):
modernized and they're not seeing it.
And he has like a lot of questions about his life and
stuff, his place in the world. He's very philosophical, um,
Fairmont narration going on and it's just like Joel Edgerton
plays Sadness so well though. He has such a good sad look on
his face just overall, and I thought it was a very touching
movie. It's very influent, clearly

(57:14):
influenced which shop like a Terrence Malik movie.
Um, I think it looks really, really good despite just being a
lot of just being homages to better looking movies.
I found it very touching. I was really blown away by it.
Yeah, I wasn't sure what to expect walking into it.
I didn't realize that it was going to be the sort of movie

(57:34):
that spans 4 decades and definitely spending more time in
sort of his Edgerton's characterRobert Grenier.
It's focusing more on his sort of 20s, thirties, 40s, less time
spent on early life and late life when it starts to time jump

(57:55):
a little bit and you and then you sort of you calibrate as the
viewer. You kind of calibrate OK, this
is going to move quickly and there's going to be some, some
parts of this that we move on from and don't necessarily come
back to both in terms of like some familiar faces that show up
on the screen. Um, but it really is this sort
of like here's the life of this man.

(58:17):
And for that reason, it kind of brought to mind a movie I think
both of us really liked out of TIFF last year, which was the
Peoples Choice winner, The life of Chuck. 100%, yeah.
Definitely less of the Stephen King supernatural sort of
magical realism. Elements less dance numbers and
train dreams. Lot fewer dance numbers but but

(58:41):
but more more trains for sure. And train a lot more trains.
Helios Plenty of trains. If you like trains, you'll like
this movie. Though I will say I was hoping
for a few more trains there. There's a decent number of
trains, but for a movie called Train Dreams, there's a lot more
dreaming than trains, I'll say that.
True. Yeah.

(59:01):
Like you sure like Dream has one.
Dream was like 60 trains coming at him.
See, that would really hammer home the point.
But it is a really touching film.
There's really, there's not a lot.
It's not too complicated. No, it's not complicated at all.

(59:22):
But the take away is that even apretty simple, straightforward
life can be epic. Mean something to the grand
picture of things. And actually that kind of brings
to mind I'm moving from a few years ago, the Best Picture
winner, Nomad Land. It kind of brought to mind this,

(59:47):
the scene I always remember thatmovie is when there's there's
the woman, Do you remember this?There's the woman who's
recounting. She's like, oh, I've had a
pretty good life. I went out to Alaska and I saw
the ducks and they were that waspretty cool.
So, you know, I've had a pretty good life, ups and downs.
And it's kind of very melancholic as she's as this
woman saying. But it kind of reminds me of

(01:00:08):
this entire movie where it's like, you know.
This movie isn't about this hero.
Who has this incredible adventure?
It's like his life is an adventure, but it's just like
it's a lot of hard work and there's a few big laughs and
some and lots of sadness and. Yeah.
And I think that Joel Edgerton plays that sense of doubt of

(01:00:30):
thinking is life is an interesting or good like really
well. Like, I like election laws and
actor and I think he really justanchors his movies so well.
Umm yeah. It was like I was blown away by
it was one of the highlights of the festival for me for sure.
Um, you mentioned about Lana, sowe may as well talk about Chloe.

(01:00:50):
Chaos News movie Hamnet which ismy favorite movie The festival
by far. And we saw this together 9:00 AM
on one of the last days of the festival.
Highly recommend a 9:00 AM screening with a coffee in hand.
That's a nice St. Yeah, with everyone around you

(01:01:11):
weeping. Yes, yes.
I did not turn to confirm whether Brian was weeping, but I
was busy tending to my own. I was here and I cried
everything though. Actually no, I think this is the
only we actually cried in a tiff.
I'm a crier at movies but this is the one that really got to me
emotionally. This one really messed me up.

(01:01:34):
Yeah, I kind of went into it a little blind.
I don't know how much you knew about this.
Because I had a rush line, had agirl tell me what the rundown of
the book was, what the basic premise was.
Because one of the OK how related to Hamlet is this and
there's 3 Hamlet movies that Tiffany saw all three of them.
I'll go through those pretty quickly.
So I saw Ham Hamlet with Riz Ahmed as playing the lead role

(01:01:58):
of Hamlet. It was a bad movie.
He's OK in it and he's actually pretty good it.
So the just of that movie takes place in modern day London,
England and the South Asian community.
But the what they do in the movies, they remove all the
Comic Relief characters. So it's just pretty much
focusing entirely on Hamlet. So it's very dour in that way.

(01:02:18):
And it's a lot of shaky Cam close-ups of like Reza Ahmed and
like walking away brooding. Thought it was A and use all the
old timey Shakespearean languagewas just very distracting.
Not very good. But I got to be front row centre
for Q&A with him. We left it at theatre at the
same time it got telling me, hey, good job.
So it was like I meant here a good job.
And it's just like it was a bizarre adaptation of a movie.

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The second Hamlet would be as ananime called Scarlet.
It's by the animator Hosoda, whodid a he had Digimon, the movie
girl let through time, Bell wolfchildren boy and the beast
summer wars. So pretty big animator for
basically it's handling. This one is a Danish Princess

(01:03:02):
named Scarlet who gets killed byUncle Claudius, gets sent to the
other world of like hell where like future and past come
together. And she in this voice, she
decides to she teams up with like a like a a paramedic from
the modern day to like go towards her Uncle Claudius and
get revenge on in the afterlife because you can do in the real
life, which I thought was a really, really cool movie.

(01:03:22):
And then, yeah, then I finally got to see the best Hamlet
movie, the festival, which is ham Net.
So it's ham net HAMET, which is like, so like the basically the
premise is like it starts off with a little title card saying
that bringing up that, um, around the time that Shakespeare

(01:03:43):
was alive, the names Hamlet and ham Nets were may as well be the
same name that used interchangeably.
And there's always has been thistheory because Shakespeare had a
son in real life named Hamnet. He had twins at Judith and
Hamnet and Hamlet died at a young age.
And there's a lot of theories among Shakespearean scholars, a
lot of debate is if the play Hamlet was written in any way to

(01:04:06):
process the grief of losing a son.
Is it about a son in any way? Because that's a story about
like, you know, avenging a father is a family relationships
is about parenthood and such. So there's stories about that.
So this is based on a handwritten based, this movie
based on a book called Him and Judith, which is a fictional
recounting things. So shifts the focus to
Shakespeare's wife, Agnes, and it's about.

(01:04:29):
Yeah. So it's about like her and
Shakespeare falling in love and having a family together and
then tragic passing and then just trying to process the grief
and simple story. Incredibly well told.
Incredibly well told. It's closed out.
So it's the most gorgeous looking movie ever.
It's just dripping in emotion and texture.
It's so beautiful to witness andit's nice thing too is like if

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you're afraid of Washington about Shakespeare, stuff like
we're with the old English time,old time dialogue is it's not
like that at all. It's like you can understand
what they're saying. It's very clear language to
understand for our modern ears. So it's Paul Mescal as Will
Shakespeare and Jesse Buckley asAgnes Shakespeare, and Jesse

(01:05:15):
Buckley is a complete knockout in this.
It is. It's one of those things like I
saw like this, she's going to win the Oscar for best actress
this year. Berryman was getting nominated
for sure. It is such a powerhouse
performance from like one of themost exciting younger actresses
out there is Jesse Buckley. Like, she always is great and
everything. She's except for that Fargo

(01:05:35):
season. But she is just tremendous in
this. She is spectacular.
Yeah, yeah, this was this was for me.
It was the moment of the festival seeing this movie.
Hmm. Buckley is incredible, I think.
OK. So for like, my entry to this
movie was obviously you see the name Hamnet and it's such a

(01:05:57):
unique word that you think, OK, is this about Hamlet?
Like, what is this about? So I I, I knew, I knew it was
based on a book and I knew it had some attachment to
Shakespeare in some manner. But even like when I sat down to
watch this, you sort of set it up as Paul Mezcal playing

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William Shakespeare and Jesse Buckley playing Agnes
Shakespeare. But the name Shakespeare isn't
mentioned explicitly necessarily, like by the
characters, or at least not in away.
That. I really registered so I'm just
thinking, OK, it's obviously it's set in this.
When was it set like 16117 hundreds like?

(01:06:43):
1600, Yep. 1600s Yeah. So I'm thinking, OK, is this is
this a spin on the story Hamlet?I didn't.
It took a while for me to realize that.
Like once you start once, maybe 1/3 of the way into the movie,
Paul Meskell starts to, you're seeing him, he's tortured

(01:07:04):
artist, he's trying to write. And that's when it clicked for
me. Oh, I actually, I did not
realize that this was this kind of fictional historical meta
retelling of Shakespeare himselfand mostly told through the
perspective of his wife Agnes. So that part was interesting to

(01:07:26):
me because I didn't I didn't fully connect where this was
going until really halfway through the movie.
And I'm thinking it's more of this, it's just really
interesting kind of costume drama, but I'm not getting what
it's supposed to be playing off of.
And by the end of the movie, it's.
So it's we finally make that very, very strong explicit

(01:07:47):
connection to who these characters are and what this
movie is about. And and for me, that just that
final, that final third of the movie is so.
It's so commercially raw. It like really hit a nerve.
Our entire audience was so gripped by it.
You can easily tell why it won the People's Choice Award
because, like, it's funny. Like, you know, last year was a

(01:08:08):
lot of buzz for various music people really liked.
Like, this year, it seemed kind of muted the response generally
to the big movies. But Hamnett was the one everyone
was talking about. Like, this is like the best
movie of the festival. This is just everyone.
Everyone agreed it was just likea an emotional roller coaster.
They found it so affecting and touching and like, yeah, it's a
really well deserved win. It comes out in theatres in

(01:08:30):
November at some point, so it comes out relatively soon.
So this is definitely an Oscar contender for sure, which I
think it deserves. It's just I like it more than
Nomad Land myself. I thought it was a really
touching movie. I just was blown away by
absolutely blown away. It did need to have that scene
where Paul Mezcal says I went toAlaska and I saw the ducks.

(01:08:54):
That was pretty cool. Yeah, we don't see anyone
shitting in a bucket in this movie, even though you probably
could have gotten away with it back in the 1600s.
There should have been There should have been 1 scene set at
a Amazon logistics processing centre.
Even way better if like instead of Shakespeare going off to
London to like, write his plays or strap for his plays, he was
just, you know, working an Amazon factory being yelled at

(01:09:17):
by a boss made to piss in the same Gatorade bottle all day.
Big worker, Yeah, Yeah. Alright, make it like more of
the roles of the Ice Cube and have him like, you know, doing
the drone deliveries. Oht man, the fact that you know
enough of that movie to reference it.
Of course I've seen it. My goodness, worst movie.

(01:09:39):
I lived it. Ham That's the best movie of the
year and the worst movie years. War of the World.
But there is a case we made if Ice Cube had been in the Paul
Mescal role, if they had just swapped it, both of those movies
might have been different. True.
Yes, I think Ice Cube could havebrought a lot of nuance to the

(01:10:02):
to the performance. Yeah, he could have said things
like, God damn, they can't do that.
Oh no, they're destroying the planet.
No. You've been hacked,
motherfucker. There should have been more
hacking in Hemet so hard to I don't want to hedge too hard,

(01:10:24):
but there were obvious places where Chloe Zhao could have
given it some extra judge. Yeah, like compared to the
Eternals, which he also directed, somehow there wasn't a
lot of MCU crossover in Hamnet. Like we don't get a Blade
showing up in the post credit scenes playing Mahershala Ali.

(01:10:45):
That would have been that would have been good.
Than really cool was it Harry Styles thing was awesome.
The postcards for the eternals don't get him popping up.
No celestials, we don't see any of like, you know, our favorite
characters materials such as like Ajax and Kingo.
Yeah, all those characters who we know by name and we're

(01:11:06):
familiar with their back storiessay more of those names.
Ooh, that's tough, I think aboutit.
Oh, OK, well. I think Kit Harrington played
Black Knight. Sure, sure, But who could
remember? Yeah, yeah.

(01:11:27):
And most of his plot takes placeon an Amazon processing plant.
Got more than we should have that yes, looking at what else
do we see together? Sentimental value.
Yeah, I was gonna say there's another big one here.
And I love this movie so much. It's so good.
And this is Joachim Trier's follow up to Worst Person in the

(01:11:51):
World. Got it.
And it's got back in the lead isand this we'll see.
We'll see who can pronounce thisbetter between Brian and I,
Renata rents. Renata rent cheese rents, rents,
rents. Renata rents.
Not sure. She was also the female lead in

(01:12:13):
A Different Man, the the Sebastian Stan Adam Peterson
Pearson movie that came out last.
Year right and she was in the Jake Gyllenhaal courtroom
investigation one and you. Can see that.
One which I can't remember. It was a series, OK, It was.
It was a very memorable performance.

(01:12:35):
So yes, I'm gonna value. It's about, um, so there's a
patriarch of the family who played with Stone Skarsgard, who
is like a a all takes place likeOslo, Norway.
So like it's like he's like a Norwegian director Patricia
family. But he's left his family for a
long stretch of time and after their mother dies like this one
sister still lives in their likethe home that changed over

(01:12:57):
generations after their mother dies, the father comes back into
the picture and he's written theoldest daughter played by Renee
Renz or however is pronounced. She's a stage actress and the
father play with scars returned with a script for a movie He's
making where he wants to cast her in the lead role.
She says no, but he cast an actress played by Elle Fanning

(01:13:21):
in the role instead. So Elle Fanning is trying to
understand like, how the family dynamics work and such.
It's pretty it's, you know, the father trying to reconnect with
those kids and stuff and the kids trying to understand the
father, the adult, the adult kids and everything.
It's a really touching generational story.
You know, as you're trying to figure out their own family

(01:13:41):
history and stuff like the othersisters going through the
archives figure out like the grandmother, great grandmother
was like a resisted the Nazis back in the day at the house
there. And so it's a really touching
family drama with great humor toit, great emotion.
Stones Skarsgard is such a greatactor and he's so good at like,
you know, for being a wayward father who's abandoned his

(01:14:04):
family. You get some sensitivity from
him. Like you get why he did up at
the same time. Like you still hate him a little
bit for it, but he plays it so well that you you're not
repulsed by him. You understand why his daughters
are still into him, Want to get to know him better.
Yeah. Such a complicated relationship
going on there. It's such a I love that it's not

(01:14:27):
just like a movie with easy answers because the family
dynamics are so complex and everything.
It's fantastic. I was totally blown away by.
I thought it was so funny and sonice and so touching.
Yeah, this is one that I'm really excited to see again
because there's just it's, it's so it's really unique.

(01:14:49):
It goes in a lot of directions you wouldn't expected to go, and
I think now that I kind of understand where we get to by
the end of the movie, I think I I'll have an easier time a
second round with it. It is it is funny that like I'm
almost certain they'll run sale and scars guard as like best
supporting actor. Give him a real.

(01:15:11):
You could have a shot to win. He's one of those actors that's
due for a win. I think so.
And he's the guy who's been around in everything before, you
know, he's done great. He's done a lot of like genre
where was like like sci-fi and fantasy stuff the last, you
know, 15 years. And I think that's kind of
probably put him in front of a lot, a lot broader of an

(01:15:31):
audience. But like, this guy's been making
great International Film for like 40 years.
So hmm, he's he's really quite magnetic in this and the the
rest of the cast. Elle Fanning is fantastic as
this. Is so good outsider.
Yeah, she's really good at doingthe culture shock too, but she's

(01:15:54):
not like she's not playing as like a complete ignorant child
does not know what's going on inthe world.
Like she's playing with such interesting curiosity and so
like she is like supposed to be playing at like a famous actress
and she plays it like that with like a bit of humility to as
well as like not much entitlement, which I think would
be an easy way to play the role.It's she's really trying to get
into this performance that she'skind of realizing like, oh, like

(01:16:18):
this role is not meant for me. It's not meant for me at all.
This is like I'm the backup to who the director really was.
Own daughter. Like it's a yeah.
Elle Fanning has had a really interesting career.
I'm really excited. Like she's been in a lot of
great things. Like like she's I'm not a big
fan of complaint, I know, but I really like her in that movie.

(01:16:39):
She's incredible. 20th century women, Neon demon.
Like she's a good actress. Hmm.
And I think there's, for a number of reasons, the film that
came to mind after, you know, a few days after we saw this, um,
was lost in translation. I feel like there's some

(01:17:00):
connection there. Yeah.
Especially we've got, we've got Stellan Skarsgard in that sort
of Bill Murray role of being this sort of part way past his
prime. Sort of at one point in his life
he was a big deal. Yes.
Um, like Jim Jarmusch, like likehe's this European Tour, but he

(01:17:23):
hasn't made anything in like 20 years.
And people still, it's still a big deal to have them that they
think there's a scene early where they do a retrospective of
one of his earlier movies. And it's his big deal that
they've invited this, um, masterauteur to receive a prize or

(01:17:44):
receive a something out of Film Festival.
And but he but it's kind of understood that he's past his
prime and he hasn't had hasn't had a project in years.
And so he's kind of in that BillMurray zone of this, like, he is
a sad sack kind of guy who's feeling, you know, even though
the movie takes place ostensiblyat his, like, at his longtime
home, Like, he feels, like, pretty ungrounded, like, it's

(01:18:06):
unclear who this guy really has in his life.
He's been away from his family for so long for, from his
children. Hmm.
So the people you see are in hislife are like, like other old
semi retired, like film craftspeople, including Jesper

(01:18:30):
Christensen. Oh, he was also in a James Bond,
right? Yes, yeah, Mr. White.
Yeah, Mr. White, my favorite. My favorite line delivery that
they used in every. Commercial for I think it was
Spectre, but you're a kite dancing in a hurricane, Mr.
Bond. I was.

(01:18:51):
I was waiting for him to say. That if he doesn't say it in
this movie, unfortunately. It's such a great line.
Maybe they can not read added itto toss that line then yeah.
Mr. White was cured from. His debilitating poisoning and
became himself in the face afterhe got poisoned.
I think you're. Right.
I think yeah. But it's been, it's been a
while, but. Anyway, it's a lovely, lovely

(01:19:14):
movie and it's interesting this juxtaposition also between the
Like the L Fanning has a bit of Lost in translation in her
character too, where she's this American actor in A in Sweden.
And the two daughters are fantastic too because so Renata

(01:19:35):
Renzi and the other actress who plays the daughter Inga IBS
daughter Lilias, I think, I think we both of us might get
banned from the Nordic Nordic countries there pronunciations.
But both of these daughters are just they're both fantastic too.

(01:19:56):
The acting is fantastic. I thought that my only thing
with this movie I so right now, just having only seen
Sentimental Value once and having been able to sit with
Worst Person in the World for the last three to four years, I
think Worst Person in the World is like a masterpiece for me.
This one, I think I need to havea few more cracks to get there

(01:20:19):
with this. I thought there were times it's
only 5 minutes longer than WorstPerson in the World in run
length, but it felt it felt a little longer.
Doing that but yeah, I think I, I, I love worst person in the
world I. Think one of the fantastic.
Movie, but I show that we meanders a little bit, whereas I
think this one feels a little bit tighter.

(01:20:39):
It has a bigger scope to it in aways.
So I feel like I felt a little bit tighter.
So I feel like, yeah, but I'm excited.
Rewatches, too. Like Forest City, film festivals
happening in London like next month.
So like, they have a sentimentalvalue.
Know their choice. Milan Kicks they have a library
that Toronto has already so likeI'm Magnificat chance of rewatch

(01:21:00):
them enough value which I'm really excited for yeah yeah I.
Mean it's definitely gonna be 1 we're.
Talking about in four months in regards to better international
feature, Yeah, Stellan Skarsgardif it'll be interesting to see
what category they run them in. I think if they run them as

(01:21:21):
supporting, he's a lock and might win, but he could also.
I don't know at this point whether it's better to be
nominated for best actor and lose or I think they'll probably
run them even though he's in he's in literally 80% of the
movie. He's the Co leader reporting.
But they did category fraud all the time.
So. Yeah, I can see them doing that.

(01:21:42):
Did you see a rental family at all?
Didn't see rental family. That's the Brendan Fraser.
Yeah. So talk about lost in
translation. So it's very lost in translation
in that. Sense of like culture shock and
alienation. So Rental Family directed by
Hikari, it's Brendan Fraser plays he's an American actor in
Tokyo. He struggles to get a lot of

(01:22:02):
consistent work and stuff, a lotof commercial work.
So he gets a job at a company that is rental families where
basically he plays a stand in for family members.
So let's say you have like a mother who passed away, this
company will get a surrogate mother in there, some kind of
process your grief and trauma, whatever with them fulfill a
role within his family, get hired with.

(01:22:24):
So he gets hired by his one woman to pretend to be the
little girl's father who is likeabandoned the family years and
years before because she wants to get the kid into a
prestigious school and that school wants intact families to
be there for the interview process.
So Frasier, you know, gets back quote UN quote as little girl's

(01:22:45):
life and such, you know, ends uplike getting a nice
appreciation, like appreciates young girl, girl likes him back
and stuff. And then of course, it's pretty
like for how interesting the premise is, it actually falls
into by the numbers kind of formula.
I thought it was OK didn't love it.
That was when people thought when People's Choice because it
is a crowd pleaser. Fraser is really good and that

(01:23:07):
he has a lot of warmth he bringsto the role.
But I thought it was just fine. That's one that comes out in
theatres like Thing next month, next two months.
And that one I can see get some awards, play for Frasier, maybe
even Best Player, just because it feels like that kind of movie
that could just, you know, a softer movie that people would
actually really gravitate towards.

(01:23:27):
Yeah. And obviously, you know.
We're coming off was it 2? Years ago we had the big the
whale, the Brendan Fraser kind of rebound.
So he's already been kind of, he's already gotten the kind of
career achievement award. The in the he's, he's, he's an
actor in that zone of like a Keanu Reeves or, you know, these

(01:23:51):
guys that are kind of they, theywere in a lot of different sort
of big budgeting stuff. But in real life, they've got
this, this persona of being like, really nice guys.
And great to see them still making a go at it here and sort
of playing around with that celebrity status.
Yeah, maybe. So you think like, Brendan

(01:24:13):
Fraser might get another sort oflike a cheapy, cheapy Oscar nom
for this one, I think maybe makea nomination yet.
This seems like gonna be people are really gonna like.
Yeah, and people like people like him.
People. Yeah, I do.
Think I haven't seen the trailerbut does it have a moment in it
with? The.

(01:24:33):
With him with breathing tubes saying don't, don't choose.
Three people are incapable of being not nice.
I'm a defender of the whale. Because I think it's I, I think
the movie has a negative opinionabout the guy right to the end.
I think the movie is so cynical mean towards him because the guy

(01:24:55):
is such a pathetic idiot like the he's obsessed with his
daughters ass like it's the bestthing I've ever read in my
entire life and it's like a complete misinterpretation of
Moby Dick and it's so funny thathe's like waste his life just
like thinking his daughter is the best person in the plant for
writing is really bad essay about how she does not want to
write an essay just some bratty kid.
I think it's like it's like it'ssad in the sense like oh this

(01:25:18):
guy is a real loser. Also he doesn't realize she just
put. Put the prompt into chat.
GPT. It's a complete ChatGPT job.
Yeah, he's that'll be the best. Twist for the movie I think if
like chat TBT. Exists when that came out that
would really hammered in the point more like actually would

(01:25:39):
have like I think people would like it the way I like it.
But if you look at him being a good guy at like a smart guy,
the movie is pretty stupid. But if you look at this guys a
total, total loser in the moviesand indictment on him.
And I think it's a really solid movie, but he's not I don't
think. I think he's good in it, but
it's not the best performance ever.

(01:25:59):
Like I think. Was that the year that Paul
mascot was up for After Sun? Because whatever year that.
Was he should have won that award, but yeah, I think you're
right. Yeah, but whatever, 2020. 2 was
I know he was not my favorite person there.
I think that was yours between him and Austin.
Brother for Elvis. Know that for sure.
But I love iOS performances. Here's why.

(01:26:21):
What? What?
Yeah. So, OK, so another another actor
who's kind of in. That Brendan Fraser mode of in
the early 2000s being this like big blockbuster movie star and
now it is able to sort of play off that sort of charisma and
subvert it in different ways is Colin Farrell.

(01:26:43):
I feel like there's some connective tissue there.
And one movie that we saw that Ithink we were both pretty down
on is Edward Burgers, Ballad of a Small Player starring Colin
Farrell. I hated this movie so much.
This is this is Burgers. Follow up now to his.
So it's his last two films. All Quiet on the Western Front

(01:27:05):
was a big to do. It won best international
feature, right? Yeah.
One feature, one score, one of you.
Oscars. Yeah.
Like it really put them on the map and that was.
That was, I think that was 22 orwas that 21?
That was 22, I think, yeah. And then so.

(01:27:27):
And then last year, of course. We have conclave, which sort of
cements cemented Burger as beingnot just this like a like a one
hit wonder kind of deal, but like he's he's got a real handle
on craft and making these reallycompelling, pretty tight movies.
And this movie is not compellingand not tight is it?

(01:27:49):
Is. A pretty major let down I.
Thought so. That's it.
OK, So it's about. It's about.
So, Colin. Farrell is a.
Gambling addict in Macau. And he, uh, quite, quite early
in the film, it's quite clear that he is a sort of a scammer

(01:28:12):
who is taking on this persona ofbeing part of the like British
aristocracy. So he calls himself Lord Doyle
and has this kind of ridiculous like Velvety like smoking
jacket. Like he, he looks like a

(01:28:32):
character out of like the board game clue.
Like he dresses like completely ridiculous over the top, like
rich eccentric British guy. And he, he is dodging the hotel
staff because clearly he's got massive, massive debt, yes, to
pay off. He's on a major losing streak at

(01:28:55):
the casino, playing baccarat. Big film for baccarat, yeah.
You don't see a lot of background outside of like.
A 1970s. James Bond film, Yeah, because
it's it's boring to watch on screen.
It's like Blackjack but with theless.
Less strategy Is there less strategy I?

(01:29:17):
I I was having trouble following.
To be honest, it's basically trying to guess the highest card
looking over 9 like it's not like.
Yeah. And yeah, because it works in
James Bond was because it's. Not the main.
Focus of the scene there's usually James Bond, like talking
to someone, trying to extract information from a woman or.
Something, but this is just like.
Tri-state mascate A villain. Yeah, high stakes background.

(01:29:41):
And it's just like. So the movies constant trying.
To tell you like this is like, he is like completely stressed,
like he is on his last legs there.
It's it's, it's the world's falling apart around him.
But the way it's shot is so static and boring.
It's shot more like conclave than anything else.
But Conclave is like kind of stilted, like, you know, papal

(01:30:01):
thriller almost. So it's supposed to be kind of
static and not that exciting to look.
At. But this time you're in these
tight and tears that are all just like.
Stone and very intentionally. There's not a lot adorning these
interior hallways a lot of the times in Conclave, but in this
movie it has that same sense of stat.

(01:30:23):
It's very static with the camera, but you're in like a
more souped up version of Las Vegas, basically.
Yeah. So it's just a complete
disconnect between how much there is on screen and how dull
the camera is. And for what the movie is trying
to tell you, it's about all the time.
It should feel like you're. Watching Uncut Gems, it should

(01:30:44):
feel like you are sweating alongwith Colin Farrell as he's
making all these bad decisions. And it's just like, it feels
kind of like a bit of cheapness to it feel it's it's gonna
release on Netflix I think like next month.
So it is a Netflix movie. Um, yeah, it's just, I was so
like I was bored by it. I think it completely every

(01:31:07):
cinematic choice they made to depicting me visually was the
kind of the wrong choice. Like it has some colour to it,
but like not really enough colour with it.
Um, another thing really bothered me too is so it also
has a Fowler Shen as like basically the code lead.
She's a casino worker who is like trying to help him out a
little bit, spot us some cash for one final big bet and

(01:31:28):
everything. And also she's like a loan shark
basically, or she works for the loan shark, right?
Yeah, works. For a loan shark, yeah.
And it also Tillis Swinton who works.
Like, as like someone trying to Colin Farrell scam someone in
like, England. So she's trying to get the money
back from him or else like she'll call the police on him.
Like she knows his real name andeverything.

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And she's a detective. I think she's a detective.
Yeah. She's a private.
Investigator. Yeah.
Who's working on? Behalf of.
Whoever he scammed. And the problem with both of
these characters is that most ofthe movie is him telling them
how they feel. And it's like, like, oh, you
feel this way because your life is like this, yadda, yadda,

(01:32:12):
yadda. And they all kind of follow
along and agree with him, which is like, why the fuck would you
agree with this? Like, loser gambler all the
time. It is such a bizarrely sexist
movie and how inert these characters are.
And Colin Farrell just gets like, fully steamroll them and
like, huh, wow, Colin Farrell, you're right about these things.
And there's a Minecraft scene that I think I.

(01:32:34):
Was rolling my eyes completely. With won't spoil it here, but I
just fucking hated it. Yeah.
It was just such a nothing of a movie.
It's only 100 minutes long, but it felt goes a lot longer.
I just feel like it's one of those movies where you can
easily see being done well, evenwith Colin Farrell.
Colin Farrell is a good actor and I feel like we've seen Colin
Farrell being this kind of like over his head sweaty mode

(01:32:57):
before. He's been doing shit since like
phone Booth. Like, I think phone, yeah, phone
booth is more intense in this movie.
Like, yeah, this movie feels like it was shot in a phone.
Booth, yeah, but. It's which, which is why it's,
you know, it's pretty disappointing.
It's pretty disappointing because I really like Conclave.
I like the visual language of Conclave and this has so much

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potential. You got Ferrell and Swinton and
Fala Chen, as you said, is she'sshe's, I think that she's the
best part, but she also doesn't have a whole lot to do.
No, she's basically being told what to do like the entire time
and told. How to feel?
Which is just like. It might be a flaw with the book
it's based on, but like. It just comes across as.

(01:33:40):
Like, weird for a movie to do. All right, here's a here's a
question for you. What?
Was more exciting the baccarat scenes in Ballad of a Small
player or the boxing matches in Christie Christy not.
By much, though. But the boxing scene, at least
that people getting knocked down, like punched in the face,

(01:34:03):
yeah, both of them are cinematically extremely.
Uninteresting to look. At it seem done a million times
better than other movies yeah, it's just it's for.
Me, it was just like, OK, we're doing the.
Montage of a bunch of boxing matches in a row.
We're doing the montage of a bunch of hands of baccarat.
I'm clear what's happening here.It's just moving very fast and

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you're just looking at the person's face to see whether
they won or lost with like no real intensity, whether the
musical score telling us like intense or.
Not like they have like 1 sound effect when they're peeling up
the card. Like it's like almost like like
pulling a sticker off something.They have that one effect to
show you how, like stressful it's supposed to be.
But yeah, it just felt like it was just plodded along and it

(01:34:48):
was just very uninteresting, uninteresting to me as a movie
altogether. I was like, so disappointed.
Probably my biggest disappointedthe festival because like, I
don't love Conclave. I don't love All Quiet Western
Front like this one. I just, I thought, you know
what, Edward Burger, maybe this will be the one that make you
really click with them. And I was like, Nope, I maybe
just doesn't have it. Like yeah, I think conclave may
have been an. Actor as an actor in a script,

(01:35:10):
maybe more so than it. Was a director's movie.
It is a war. This movie needed Tucci.
Tucci, I've been good for this. Yeah, like having.
Another like actor. He kinda could.
Bounce off of where? It's like he's bouncing off of
them rather than just like, oh, you feel this way because this
is your life story to this pointand you should keep giving me

(01:35:31):
more money because I told you how good your life is or how bad
your life is. Like, do you think Tilda Swinton
was a good detective in this movie?
Like I don't like she. No, she's the worst detective in
the fucking world. Like she figured out who he was
the first from London to Macau. By herself.
And she's first of all, she's. Dressed like, like the
librarian. You had an elementary school?

(01:35:52):
Yeah, like she's she. She just like it, it feels.
Like she's. In drag as Mrs. Doubtfire Yeah,
it's, it's just, it's it's really, really odd.
It's a really odd film. Just lots of again, I'm sure
Colin Farrell and Sweden have been in projects before because
they kind of have that similar kind of mode.

(01:36:14):
I don't know, they kind of as short as it is, there's just so
little substance both. Beneath them that.
They would almost both those characters work better as like,
like as the 20th build characterin like a Wes Anderson ensemble.
Yeah. Because like, you think that
tells when should kind of be theantagonist of the movie.
But she's got just steamrolled every scene by Colin Farrell.

(01:36:34):
Me like I know who you are and get you the money.
You have to believe me. He's like, oh, I guess I will
believe you. Like, there was like no real
tension going on at all there. Yeah.
And they try to do some sort of spiritual stuff.
Yeah, and it just feels like you're watching, like, you know,
a senior. James Bond where they go to
Macau and James Bond house walking past a shrine or

(01:36:55):
something like, well, they even they try to do some like.
Uh. Edward Munch like the scream or
whatever, right? Like they try to do some like
there's, there's like torture spirits that are that are like
you're gambling addiction or whatever.
I don't know. It was like, anyway, I don't

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know if people are going to watch this.
It feels like one that's just gonna disappear into the ether.
Yeah, it's a Netflix original, so it's gonna be watched like.
A few people day one when it comes out, then completely
forgotten to time. It's gonna be watched by 400
million people and no one will be able to remember what.
The main characters name is no. We'll talk with me ever again
like after like November. It's just a show.

(01:37:40):
For folding your laundry, you just look up.
And you're like, there's Colin Farrell with a Errol Flynn
pencil mustache. OK, cool.
I'm just going to make sure my socks are dry.
I'm so we should be wrapping up pretty soon but I'm thinking.
Maybe we talk about. Each of us can talk about one
movie that's that was under yourradar, was really fucking good.

(01:38:03):
Another way that you just loved that we haven't got a chance to
talk about yet. Yeah.
So I mean I. Think we've we've hit a lot of
the big. Ones the one I think the one
that I saw that I don't think you saw was called Couture

(01:38:24):
didn't see that one. And I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna
pretend like this was the. Best thing I I saw.
But it had it had some craft to it.
And so this is an interesting one.
It starts off and it looks like it's a vehicle for Angelina
Jolie, who is the bold name talent in this.

(01:38:47):
So she is an American filmmaker who has been hired to do the pre
fashion show short film for likea runway show in Paris, like
Chanel kind of level fashion show.
So she's she's been brought in to create a short film that they

(01:39:10):
play for the guests at this fashion show.
And while she's she's setting, this is clearly it's a four hire
project and she's taking it on because she's trying to get the
timing and logistics right for her next project, which is this
big. I think it's a big fantasy epic

(01:39:31):
that she's been trying to make for a long time.
And so she's doing this this project first to I guess make a
whack of money or something. But it very quickly shifts from
Angelina Jolie to a series of other women who are kind of
working within the high fashion industry.
So you've got and all these. All these characters are played

(01:39:56):
by European performers who I'm I'm not familiar with
previously, but you've got 1 character who's a.
Who's a seamstress? Who's who's making this
incredible dress throughout the movie?
And there's a makeup artist who is kind of being jerked around

(01:40:20):
between all these different shows.
Shows keep saying, OK, we need you to come for this time.
Oh, we're going. We're going late tonight.
And she's pushing back. No, I have another show in an
hour. And so she's being pushed and
pulled around a lot. And then you've got the the most
interesting character is this young 18 year old model from
South Sudan named Ada, who has was she was a refugee living in

(01:40:46):
Kenya. And I guess someone spotted her
on the street and and they've decided to make her the the new
face of this fashion brand and thus the star of the short film
that's being made and the personwho's going to wear this
fantastic dress at the runway show.
And she's this complete babe in the woods, like totally naive,

(01:41:09):
but very beautiful and tall and but doesn't know how to like do
the runway walk. So she shows up in Paris ahead
of this fashion show and goes tothe townhouse that's been rented
and it's filled with all these young high fashion runway models
and it's just really interesting.
So they weave back and forth between mostly the Angelina

(01:41:30):
Jolie character Maxine and the character played by this S
Sudanese actress, Anya Annay. And they they mostly go back
between these two with sort of short interventions with the
other women. But it's kind of really
interesting. It's a little slow, but there's

(01:41:50):
a lot of craft in there just, and I did get the sense that
they're taking a lot of the aesthetics from the sort of high
fashion magazine photography world.
So it's it's, it's an interesting one worth checking
out. I love.
Angelina. Jolie, I think anytime you can

(01:42:12):
watch Angelina on the big screen, I think she's just
really a really captivating performer.
So sure, that was my entry point.
And then especially this on yourNA performer.
And this was her first. This was her first acting role.
She comes from the modeling world and her character was

(01:42:34):
based on her own life story, interestingly enough.
So there's there's some interesting stuff here.
And if you told me and you're ona was in a Bond movie in five
years, that would not shock me at all.
She's kind of has that natural charisma and obviously very
beautiful, a kind of a kind of aGrace Jones kind of intensity

(01:42:57):
and look, going back to another Bond girl from years ago.
So that was one that I know you didn't get a chance to check
out, but I saw my radar for surenow.
Yeah, worth worth checking out at some point.
I also realized that we saw together, but we.
Didn't talk about it was dust Bunny, yes.
Yes, so we saw this at Midnight Madness.

(01:43:20):
Minute matters is it's like a the the curate minute screenings
at. Tiff there at Royal.
Alexander Theatre, it's always like genre movies, offbeat
movies. And like, the crowd there is
specifically energetic. You often go to the movie with
dog shit just because the crowdswill be interesting.
Yeah. So this one is directed by Brian
Fuller, who made the TV shows like Hannibal and Pushing

(01:43:42):
Daisies. And it's about a little girl who
there's a monster under her bed that eats her parents.
Or it may not be in her parents,so, but she tells like Mads
Mickelson, like who lives on theway, a moderate My parents,
monsters under my bed and my parents.
I need you to come kill the monster for me.
And Sigourney Weaver plays like Mass Mickelson, like Handler,

(01:44:04):
and it's like a horror comedy. The 1st 20 minutes are really
horror, but the rest of it's like a really good time at the
movies. It balances the comedy of the
horror so well. And I get the name of the little
girl again. So if you Sloan, Sophie Sloan
and she's from, I think it's herfirst movie performance and she
is just. Incredible in it.
It is such a good performer. She's able to bounce that off

(01:44:25):
Mads Mikkelsen so well and be sofunny and so dramatic.
Hmm. Yeah.
But the film, I kept thinking. About and there's a number.
Of films that are kind of. Obvious reference points here
like lay on the professional, definitely one that comes to
mind, but this has no pedophiliain it, so it's better.
Yeah, Yeah, yeah. That's.

(01:44:46):
Slightly better for sure. But the the movie that came to
mind a lot was the the Danny DeVito directed Matilda from the
90s Oht definitely Mara Mara Wilson.
Hmm, like this has like a very. Specific visual aesthetic going.
On too like. You can tell this is the guy who
made Pushing Daisies the TV show.
It is visually really interesting.

(01:45:10):
The way it uses CGI is actually done really, really well.
I think they blend it together. So like, it's just a unique
environment that's created rather than being just like a
crux to do easier animation. Yeah, there's a there's a
quality of this that feels. Very rolled.
Doll, just that sort of dark, dark humor verging on horror.

(01:45:35):
I don't think it really ever gets to horror, which is going
to be I think a sticking point for some people.
Some people, some of the reviewsI saw were quite disappointed
because they were hoping this was going to be a scary film and
really this is a this is a family friendly black comedy
horror movie in the vein of likelike.

(01:45:57):
In terms of the scare. Factor it's more like gremlins
than yeah absolutely yeah the boogeyman yeah it's a fun and
like grandma it's a. Really fun movie like I had
last. Why I laughed?
I laughed more at this than anything else I saw for sure.
Sigourney Weaver is incredible and seeing her in person for the
Q&A was just like. I was starstruck.

(01:46:19):
It was so cool. Yeah, she's the best.
That seat out of service for thenext day screenings you make.
Quite a mess, but um, yeah, I think this is 1.
That. If you know, if you've
calibrated your expectations forwhat it is, I think this is
going to be a really fun one. I and I think this is the sort

(01:46:41):
of film that is going to be a gateway point for a lot of like
like I think I think a 10 year old could watch it and there's
enough in. There that it doesn't feel like
a movie. 410 year olds. It's not condescending towards
children which is great. Like the kid performer is like.
She's an active character. She has a lot of agency.

(01:47:02):
She's not serious like some like, you know, dumb little kid
like and even when she is like she's kind of proven right at
points and it's yeah, you're right.
I think it's like a perfect movie to show like a very horror
curious 10 year old kid and theywould have a blast with it.
It comes out in theatres in December I think.
So it has it has a trailer already, has a theatrical
release planned. And I think it's going to be a

(01:47:23):
if you really want a fun, offbeat horror comedy, this is
perfect. Yeah.
And some really cool design too.Some really cool.
Design and some there's. Some stuff that the camera does
thanks to a combination of practical effects and CG that
they did not have to do camera work like they do.

(01:47:47):
There were some things that reminded me almost of Breaking
Bad, the way that the camera starts in an interesting spot
that you wouldn't expect it to start at.
They they, they Fuller and his team, clearly they put the extra
effort in for what could have just been a much simpler,

(01:48:07):
simpler film and under the radarmovie I saw that I really liked
it's. Called Nika and Madison.
During the Q&A, that director referred to as an Indigenous
Thelma and Louise, which is a great way to describe it.
So it's about a two Indigenous women who like used to be
friends stuff younger, younger, but one of them went to like

(01:48:28):
university in Toronto. So they want to stay back on the
reserve and the girlfriend in Toronto comes back, come back to
town. They involve an incident with
the cop or the cop ends up in the hospital.
So they're basically on the run and there's two cops investing
in them, including the actor Sean Doyle and the Indigenous
communities kind of stonewallingthe cops and stuff trying to,
you know, make sure they get a fair chance like, you know, tell

(01:48:50):
their own story and stuff. So it's people like, you know,
Indigenous issues, police brutality, police corruption,
female friendship, like the, youknow, keeping intact, keeping
your roots intact while still moving to the city and you know
what it's like to come back home.
I thought it would be a very, very for how like bleak the

(01:49:13):
subject matter could be. I thought it was very engaging.
I thought it was very funny. The two actors, Ellen J and Star
Slade, are really great in this movie.
Um, I think I saw on and I was playing at Forest City Film
Festival, but it's one I would keep on your radar for sure
because I thought Nika and Madison was a really, really

(01:49:34):
interesting movie and not to be confused with Mads Mickelson.
Or Mikey Madison. Nope, not all.
That would be a fun pairing though.
Have like Anora and like like Shifra.
Fight off, yeah. Yeah.
And then honestly just go full. Avengers, let's get the.

(01:49:56):
Whale in there. Let's go.
Let's get the woman who goes to Alaska and saw the birds.
Yeah, get the entire world gallery together.
The Whale should be more movies.Yeah, like when?
He ascends at the end of the movie.
He should he. Should be ascending to.
Join the new Avengers, try different movie.

(01:50:21):
Yeah, let's do a one more movie each then.
We'll pack it in. What else you got?
One more movie each you've got. You've got so many movies to
pick from. OK, what other movies have I
seen? Man, I'm running out of movies
here. There's just there's pretty much
only one way I really. Wanna talk about on my end?
So I. Will say, I don't think there's
a movie that I didn't see and I don't think.

(01:50:43):
You had a chance to. See either?
But I did want to mention the smashing machine.
So you didn't see that one, right?
Didn't see it? No.
And that's the. Dwayne Johnson.
UFC, well, MMA fighter biopic, and that's one where just on
paper it seemed like it was definitely being positioned as

(01:51:06):
one of the big movies of the festival.
They had a bunch of kind of supplemental events where they
would have like, in conversationwith Dwayne Johnson.
Like, clearly they're pushing this as a potential best actor,
maybe best picture, maybe. I heard absolutely.

(01:51:26):
In just all the various conversations with people
throughout the 1 1/2 weeks, I heard precisely no one talked
about this earlier. No one talked about it at all.
Like that's not a great sign. That's not a great sign cause
this is the. Festival where people will talk.
About a very middle of the pack movie as if it's like a surefire
future Oscar winner and not a single person was like Oh yeah

(01:51:49):
smashing machine, gotta see that.
Like I think there's only two screenings of it but even the
movies with like 2 screenings still.
Had people talk about like positively or negatively or
purely neutrally, but this was just one that completely like I
heard a single soul talk about it whatsoever.
Yeah. So I have no idea if it's good
or bad or not, but all I know isthat the buzz was just.

(01:52:10):
It was just. Not buzzing around.
Like no one was really going nuts for anything.
Yeah, yeah. So so that's.
That's, I mean, I think we've talked about all the other.
Stuff I, I. Saw anyway.
Mostly there's a few other stinkers that aren't even worth
party worth mentioning. But yeah, I guess what I really

(01:52:32):
want to talk about is it was my most anticipated movie, The
festival, and I'm so glad I got.Ticket for right at the very end
it won the International People's Choice award.
It's a Park Chan works no other choice.
So spark chain work. He's the guy who did like
directed oldboy lady vengeance joint security area handmaiden
decision to leave. So he's like 1 like the most

(01:52:53):
prominent South Korean directorsout there.
So this is new movies. It's based on a book called the
axe. It's takes place in South Korea.
It's about a guy who spent his career working in a paper.
He gets fired, fired from his job, and he wants to keep up his
lifestyle. Like he has a nice house, he has
a marriage, he has two kids, he's two dogs, and he struggles
to find a new job, can actually,you know, pay well to support

(01:53:14):
his lifestyle. So what he decides to do is he
finds the other qualified candidates for a job he wants
and decides to kill them off. So he decides to become a serial
killer and target the people whoare qualified or more qualified
than he is. It is absolutely hilarious.
It is a Park Chan Wook movie, soit's shot in the most crazy way
possible. It's dark, it's bleak, but it's

(01:53:37):
incredibly humorous. I can see that.
This movie coming out Christmas Day.
I think Neon already has it. This making a push for
international feature for sure. I can easily see them trying to
market it as like the next Parasite simply because it's
South Korean. It's pretty funny, set in modern
times, a lot of like urban sets and such, and it's a critique

(01:54:00):
about capitalism and stuff. It has like same kind of
violence as a Parasite. The violence is a lot more
slapstick and no other choice. Um, it's a deeply, deeply funny
movie. I had an absolute blast watching
it. I think it's already my top
five, my partition. What rank rankings?
I think I already have it above Old Boy.
I thought it was a spectacular movie and it lived up to all the

(01:54:22):
unreal hype I had in my brain for it.
Yeah, I think like this. So his last.
Directorial feature. Decision to leave, I thought was
like almost instant masterpiece.Yeah, when it came out in 2022
that that movie, every single frame is just like meticulously

(01:54:44):
thought. Everything is thought about the
composition, like the camera work and the craftsmanship.
And his movies are just like things you've never seen before.
So I'm happy. I'm happy to have some other
films to look forward to for therest of the fall, including no
other choice this year. It's been kind of shitty for
movies overall. Like a.

(01:55:07):
Like the first like 6 months of the year there was like sinners
and not much else like it was been.
It's been a pretty dry year and I'm happy that with festival
season I was like, oh, there's actually some.
Really. Really good movies kicking.
Around it just had to wait for the back half of the year for
them to pop up. Yeah, it's, it's going to be
interesting, I think. As we record here.

(01:55:29):
One battle after another comes out next week.
Not today. Next week.
I think so, yeah. And that's the one.
That everyone is. Kind of pointing to.
As the. King right now, but there's some
there's some interesting, there's some other interesting
movies here that I think will itjust from an awards perspective.

(01:55:52):
We'll we'll capture there's somepotential to build a campaign
around a movie like no other choice Sentimental value Hamlet
or Hamnet, rather Hamnet. So it's going to be an
interesting couple of months here.
I agree. Overall there's.
Been some interesting movies buttrue bangers have been few and

(01:56:15):
far between. Like I think we got spoiled the
past couple years for movies. Like 2023 is like one of those
all timer years I think. And 24 I thought was a great
year too. Like this year has been kind of
like it's like kind of back to normal I think where it's like
it's not can't all be great. Yeah.
But like yeah, like most of the the top percentile.

(01:56:36):
Movies I've seen in 2020. 5 havebeen.
TIF releases like I think overall I saw I liked almost
everything about the festival was only a few movies.
I did not really like too much uh, but for the most part I
enjoyed everything I saw, which is always nice, right when you
spend like that much time at a Film Festival watching inside,
watching movies like it's good to have a good hit, right.

(01:56:56):
It's good to see movies like arenot just stinkers because that's
always a risk of festival is like you just grabbed it towards
the wrong ones. And I think yeah, we two of us,
we saw the most of the heavy hitters, the ones that got most
of the buzz like the smashing machine.
I've seen trailers for the past like 2 months in theatre.
So like I. Knew it's coming out soon.

(01:57:17):
Anyway, so like, I was gonna rush you to the festival, but
they're handing them out like candy.
Yeah. So I'll I'll see Smashing
Machine for sure, but it's like one of the movies.
Like, you know, if the goal was to.
Build up festival hype with it. I don't think they succeeded.
Hmm. Yeah, whereas like Hamlet did

(01:57:38):
the. Waiting.
People stories of like they. Succeeded in what they want to
do racing at TIFF is like all right now this is in the
conversation for the Oscars. Like this is going to be
something to talk about right tothe end of the all award season.
Like comes it comes out of September.
I think played Kelly right beforehand.
Now it's going to come in November, piracy through

(01:57:59):
December and yeah, then all the awards names pop up.
So I think Hamlets placed very, very well for awards contention
at the moment. Yeah, I think at this big pig
going big picture. Again, I think.
TIF still has, I think it's again, it's the largest festival
in terms of like number of films, but I think it's it's

(01:58:21):
position as being a kingmaker, like the people's.
Choice. Award, as we said it is
traditionally been this bellwether to what the best
picture race might look like. Well, I don't know if that's
necessarily going to be the casemoving forward.
And then I think Life of Chuck was a weird exception because
like, Neon picked that up, but they also had a.

(01:58:43):
Nora as well. Yeah, and Nora one Best
Pictures, which was at TIFF lastyear too.
That could that did not win the audience.
Prize at TIFF last year, from what it's worth.
Well, Nora did. I think last year was like
second runner up was Anora. Than Amelia Perez, then Life of
Chuck. So it was up there like
audiences did like a Norat tiff last year yeah.

(01:59:04):
And they also liked Amelia Perez.
They also liked Amelia Perez as well, so.
Toronto audiences. It's an interesting.
It's an. Interesting audience.
I don't think it's the same. Audience it was 10 years ago and
I think the sort of films that are being launched from TIF are
starting to change a little and even even like some of the ones
we really like like sentimental value and Hamnet didn't their

(01:59:29):
world premieres weren't TIFF right.
Like I think like I think sentimentals came out of Cam.
I think so yeah. And then I think HAM and it came
out of Tell it, was it Tellurideor Venice?
One of them, Those two, yeah, I think Toronto has kind of
settled into this. Position of being like.

(01:59:51):
More. Populist than like critical
centric. So maybe it's a place where you
can launch a best actor campaignfor Brendan Fraser or you know.
For for someone who people love like, like a broadly loved star
who's finally getting their due.Hmm.
But I, I don't, I don't know about its place in the overall

(02:00:12):
film world in terms of like, like being the centre of the
universe for like the best films, yeah.
Because like you. Know the past 10 years, the
landscapes changed completely with how people consume.
Movies like streaming came alongand then COVID came along and
people there's you know, there'speople like me go to movies all
the time, but also people that just don't go to theatres

(02:00:33):
anymore and sort of taste of change audience have us of
change. So like, people who go to film
festivals and vote for things, they probably different crowd
than what used to be like 10 years ago.
For sure, yeah. Yeah.
But I overall I know. You had fun.
I had. Fun.
Yeah. And what more could you want

(02:00:54):
than than watching a ton of movies in theatres with good,
good, big crowds? Exactly.
Yeah. Like I had an I'm still fucking
exhausted from it was like 11 days straight with.
Like barely any sleep at all. I feel like I'm not gonna
recover from another like, week or two.
I'm white. Have you been have you been back
in the in a theatre since? No, I'm going tonight.

(02:01:14):
I seen Drive at the Highland tonight.
I'm also seeing. A.
High and low. The Kurosawa movie tonight as
well. Almost all the long walk on
Tuesday. But I was so damn tired.
They stayed home. But I'll probably I'll probably
get back to my normal viewing habits once the circling back to
movies tonight. So what about you?

(02:01:35):
I'm probably holding off until. One battle, OK, one battle.
Yeah, I'm seeing that as soon asI can for sure, cause like,
yeah, Paul Thomas Anderson is like won the.
Best director. So, yeah, yeah, looking forward
to that, yeah. Um, yeah, so we talked for a
long time today, but this is a ton.

(02:01:56):
Of fun. It's fun to do, you know, Deep
Reef, a really fun festival. It was also awesome.
Festival was like running into alot of like making plans.
Went along just seeing a lot of really cool movies together.
Yeah. And telling everyone who came up
to Brian, asking who, who just. Got out of a GMC suburban out
front of the Princess of Wales Theatre telling everyone it was

(02:02:17):
Wally Sean. I was, I'm saying, and then them
nodding like. Ohhhhh.
Ohhhhh. Really.
Oh yeah, I was really good for actually talking to someone.
Actually was coming out of cars like.
I have a good eye for those things so I thought it was
pretty useful, but my friend didsee Wallace Sean wander around

(02:02:39):
the festival so he was there. Inconceivable.
Yeah. So, any final thoughts?
What TIF for we? And things.
Oh man, no, not really. I think the only.
The only thing is. The the pre.
Roll ads that are now burned into my brain from seeing them a

(02:03:01):
dozen times. How do you think?
I feel like it's always the lantic knowledgement there's
like the RBC ad there's. The tifty thank the volunteers
ad Oh my God at least they didn't have it the IT was at the
Ras and Mocha like People's Choice.
Award at that from. Last year, that one sucked so
much. Yeah, for some reason they

(02:03:22):
always, they always go with an ad.
That like, kind of mocks the idea of like, the value of
movies. Yeah, they do.
They do ads like. About.
Making fun of the tropes of likeROM coms and horror movies.
They also had that. They had an ad this year for a

(02:03:43):
travel company and the base. The take away was basically like
once you've done being a fat slob in the movie theatre and
sitting on your ass and watching, watching stuff like
you should actually go see the actual world.
You should go touch your ass. Piece of shit loser.
Don't you think people are incapable of traveling?

(02:04:06):
The whale should have gone on vacation.
You could have like gone on inclusive place and just.
Gotten like fed all the. Time like, uh, you know,
bottomless shrimp at some resort.
He would love that. Man.
Yeah, bottomless. Yeah.
Yeah, I think, I think next yearwe should.
Bring the character the whale. Back as as the pre show host.

(02:04:28):
The whale too. We should start writing it right
now and start producing it. I'll start gaining some.
Weight to play the role. Yeah.
Good. Yeah, it has to be authentic
this time. No fat.
Suit just pure obesity and then everyone's very helpfully.
Being like, no, no, no, Brendan Fraser he was.
Also fat. He had also gotten a little fat,

(02:04:50):
yeah, but we had to put more fatsuit on him.
But he had the lived. Experience of being a a fat guy,
Yeah. It's like, oh man, OK, that's
the, that's the body transformation angle working in
OverDrive. Alright, well, thank you so much
Andrew for joining me. Anything you want to plug?
I think I want to plug. Nope, that's all I got.

(02:05:13):
That's all you got. OK, well, I want to plug this
podcast. Yeah.
So this. Podcast is called Movie Pod.
It's a podcast. What?
Movies you can find new episodesevery.
Tuesday I'm on Look up movie podon Blue Sky and Twitter.
You also find me on Blue sky Twitter and Letterbox Wishart.
So this is a bonus episode come out this weekend.

(02:05:33):
At some point next week I have an episode on Ultramarines, a
Warhammer 40,000 story, which isa very, very bad move.
Very, very fun discussion about it.
The format that shows me changing October, so stay tuned
for that. But episodes will still keep
coming out. And yeah, so thank you again,
Andrew, so much for joining me. Thanks, Brian.
Yeah, so, so hopefully I'll talkto you and see you soon.

(02:05:56):
And. Until next time.
Movie pod fans, take care.

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