Ultramarines: A Warhammer 40,000 Movie (2010) w/ Braden

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Hello and welcome to Movie Part,the podcast.
What Movies? I'm your host Brian Wishart, and
this week I'm joined by my good friend Brayden.
How are you doing, Brayden? Not too bad.
I'm here to talk about my favorite thing in the whole.
World, this movie is your favorite thing in the whole.
World. Oh God, I wish.
So we are discussing a movie that is probably on no ones
radar at all. It's the Toynton animated film

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Ultramarines, a Warhammer 40,000movie.
Listen, with the passing of Terence Stamp, we had to look at
his finest film. Yeah, like I didn't do Phantom
Menace. We did this one.
Music Group. Yeah, him and John Hurt.
They're pretty big voices and they have very distinguished

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voices and they're. They was great in this movie.
The voice acting is the one thing I'll give this movie.
This is not a good movie. It's better than I give it
credit for. Like growing, Like watching it
when it first came out, I was like, oh, this is trash.
Rewatching it, I'm like, you know what?
There's something here. There's some.

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Charm. Yeah, So recent Brains on this
podcast, because he's been of a Warhammer expert himself.
I know nothing about Warhammer really.
Like our friend group will look like brains.
Some other friends, they'll share some Warhammer memes and
stuff back and forth to play Warhammer games together.
So I get Warhammer stuff just like throwing my way, but I've
never played a Warhammer game extensively.

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I've never on the tabletop Warhammer 40K thing.
Pardon, You know Dune, That's about the.
Same thing. Yeah, it's done.
Just is just RIP off of Dune. OHP there is so much Dune in the
DNA. Like there's a God emperor.
There's like navigator guilds. My cat just jumped on my desk.
Sorry if she appears on the podcast.

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I like when pets pop up but there's like no spice orgies in
this. Like there's no women at all in
this. In this movie, not a God damn 1
and that's hilarious. This sucks ass so it's like.
There's one point, there's there's like.
Two points. It's like John Hurt and Terence
Stamp for the same movie you gotback in 1984 or something.
And the air trivia is like, there are no women depicted in

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this movie, not even a feminine computer voice.
Yep. Which is really funny cause like
that Warhammer stigma is strong.Yeah, so you play some Warhammer
too at the figurines, right? Oh yeah, yeah.
So you do the paintings and everything.
You go to these sessions and stuff and play the games.
I've never done any of this. I admire the, I think when I see

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you and some friends post the figurines or paintings.
So that seems like such a Zen cool hobby to do.
Like I like the meditative Yeah it really.
I always joke that it's 5 hobbies in the trench coat
collecting, building, painting, actually playing the damn game
and the lore. Yeah, and like I, I think I
really appreciate that. And like for me it's just like

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every time I try to hop into Warhammer thing, I don't
understand the lure of it. All SO never happens a lot and
it could be overwhelming. Surely the one Warhammer thing I
know the best is the squad broken fan fiction.
That is probably the only Warhammer thing that actually
like, you know, red front to back.

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That's the whole crushing and yet so character accurate.
Yeah, so squad broken in case you don't know it's written by
I'm not sure what the guys name is who wrote but squad broken.
So it's the Warhammer 40K sayingwhich the science fiction
setting for the Warhammer universe and has a space marine
in Eduardo. He's finding out some orcs and
as an orc named Girk and the squad space marine squads

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getting broken down into being like overrun everything.
Yellow squad broken, squad broken in.
This orc named Girk ends up being raping and murdering
Eduardo. In the follow up, Greg feels
remorse for what he did and it brings Eduardo back from the
dead. Eduardo's into it.
Eduardo was like, you know, happy.
He, like, you know, appreciate being raped and.

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Murdered. I didn't think this is what OHS.
It's that's that's all I know about Warhammer, truly.
I know like the designs. I know you do that.
I know there's like one disgusting fan fiction.
That folks. And so yeah, truly Warhammer is
just not something I've a setting I really get, I really

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known or anything. It is just like, you know, I see
it. I guess 1,000,000 video games,
like every genre of video game exists for Warhammer this point.
OHS yeah, yeah, like especially nowadays they are doing more
with the IP. Like back in the day they were
very, very cautious. Which fun fact, one of the old
video games, Dawn of War, is where that squad broken cry

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comes from. OK, so yeah, that's based on
Dawn of War, which is like an RTS game, right?
Yes. So things have morale in that
game, and if you break them morale, they're less effective,
yadda yadda. So Space Marines when they lose
morale screen squad broken. OK, yeah, so Dawn of War, I
think I played down War 2 a little bit, like maybe like for
a few hours, not that much. Really good they they helped

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aged well. Yeah, things like million of
these Warhammer games across thepoor.
So whatever you want, whatever genre enter, there seems to be a
Warhammer game for even a football game.
Yeah, Blood Bowl. Yeah, they're take on fantasy
football. It's getting a new addition
soon. That's cool.
Yeah. So it's like, so like, yeah,
it's kind of shocking that therearen't many Warhammer movies per

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se, right? And they're kind of addressing
that with their own streaming service.
OK, but at first it was just like a couple random animations
and then this fan made project came about and I did really want
to talk about this today called a Startegies, which is the like

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fancy knot Latin name for the Space Marines.
It's the copyright friendly name, OK, And it is a one man
project. It's like a 10 minute long short
film and it is one of the best things I have ever seen
animated. Really.
That's cool, because this is nota great animated thing we're
going to talk about. This is aged, a star dies.

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They went and they hired the guyand he is working on a sequel to
his fan series and it looks so good and like everything they've
worked on since. So like the secret Level episode
on Amazon? Go check that.
Out about that, yeah. You can tell he's in it or his
influences in it because it feels the same.

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He captures the weight of Space Marine armor, which I have in my
notes does not happen in this movie.
We'll get into as we go along with Space Marines, if you don't
really know. Like 8 feet tall super soldiers
Braxton tank. Armor.
Big bulky armor. Yeah, almost looks like Buzz
Light year in a way. People paint them like Buzz
Light year all the time. Yeah.

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So like there's like a big bulkycharacters are kind of
cartoonish looking in a way like, you know, so like, yeah,
so the in this movie, there's like no real understanding of
physics at all. So it just seemed like kind of
very light, too much this looks.Like how would he dumps you in
and hopes you know stuff already?
Like it doesn't explain very well that space marines are
super human. Like they are genetically

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altered, surgically altered. They have like 3 lungs, a rib
plate instead of a cage, 2 hearts.
Like they can spit acid. Yeah, they can sleep while they
don't. They do that.
Right. Like it comes up in books all
the time of it's just like, and then he spit on the floor and
the sizzle you're on a like theycan sleep with half their brain

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like dolphins do. Oh my God.
Yeah. So like this one, Ultramarines
is written by Dan Abnett. He's like one of those authors,
like dozens of about hundreds ofthings is written like he's been
employed by. Marvel.
Warhammer he's running Congress from.
Guardians of Galaxy like the movie The movie it's on IMDb.

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Wow. And he's like he has like dozens
of Warhammer books in both the fantasy and the 40K setting.
He. Was like the guy for the Black
Library. Yeah, so this guy is like,
really. Well, first, it's like he's deep
in the lore, it seems. I don't think this movie is
really good for This movie is not good for the uninitiated.
Which is mostly. I felt like I was throwing the

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deep end, like I feel like this movie feels very generic.
Yes, it feels more like just like space sci-fi humans
fighting some stuff. It does, yeah.
So it's like, as I feel like, I don't know, like, because it
hasn't been talks like Henry Cavill for years has been trying
to make a Warhammer movie or something like that.
Yeah, but Henry Cavill, it's a project that's never gonna get

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off the ground. I believe, I truly believe it's
like he's up and executive production for it or something.
Yeah, he's passionate for it though, so it could actually
happen. But like, it is something
somewhere like for how big of a property it is, like, like we
got, we got Dungeon and Dragons movie.
We got like Baldur's games done Dragons property that became a

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massive, huge hit. So TV show.
Yeah. So like these kind of like
tabletop video games aren't role-playing games.
Like they are pretty popular. Video games are more popular
than ever right now. So it's kind of shocking they've
not actually kind of pumped up more Warhammer properties for
like TV or film, especially because they're making
everything in every IP. They're turning to a TV show.

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So it's kind of strange. Like this is kind of Is this the
only Warhammer movie? At this point yes because
they're like hyper cautious withtheir IP like super protective
like they have an internal position for someone who makes
sure they get like minutiae of more right?
OK. Which is kind of shocking.
Well, because like I guess they're protected.

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I guess I could probably with movies because movies like don't
aren't really protective adaptations.
Like we got that Dennis Hopper John Leguizamo Mario movie which
has no IP relevance to Super Mario Bros.
We are terrified of that. I think and even like Sonic the
Hedgehog movie, like I don't know what the headshot at the
foster son of James Marsden likeit's like.

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No, but I love. It it's a fun, it's a fun enough
for me. But like, yeah, but like I can
see like if you're protective inIP like this feels like seeped
and lowered. I don't understand.
Yes. I feel like movies they kind of
want their own creative for you to do with their fuck they want.
But it's funny because Warhammerhas a million video games and a
million novels, but like film adaptations they don't have.

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Anything. Yeah, they're starting to.
Like I said, they have their ownstreaming service, Warhammer
Plus. Yeah, and it's got like a series
on there called The Tithe, for example, which every episode is
about like paying a price to something.
And it's a very vague in that like the one is a bunch of
Guardsmen, which is like the normal human military of the

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Imperium, not Space Marines, OK,fighting a bunch of space Orks
and it's like the tide shows up to collect ammo from that planet
and like we're in the middle of a God damn war.
Like, cool. Pay up.
Tax time. So it's like, here's the last of
our bullets. We are overrun by orcs now and I

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and then they get there and the end of the episode reveal is
like, oh, somebody fudged the numbers and put a dash
somewhere. We didn't actually need this.
Dump it in the incinerator and the person delivering.
It's like everyone I know died for this.
So that seems like a bit more ofa guy, you know, some comedy to
it, some really dark comedy to it and.
I feel like this. Has no dark comedy to it at all.

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It's just very grim. It's very serious.
It's funny because like Warhammers origins way back in
the day is like a bunch of British guys in the 80s.
The Satire. Hmm.
So like, it should always have that tongue in cheek element to
it. And you're right, this movie
plays it as serious as a God damn car crash.
Yeah, so like, OK, so like Warhammer, like it started off

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as the Fantasy centre just called Warhammer, yes, and then
eventually spun it off to do the40K setting.
It was originally something called Rogue Trader, which are
an important thing in the setting, but then you eventually
got renamed to Warhammer 40,000 because it takes place in the
year 40,000. OK, yeah.
And this is the setting for Ultramarines is it's a Warhammer

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40K movie, so 1000 or so. Yeah, give or take a couple 100
years. Time is time is a matter of like
religious debate in Warhammer. I imagine that like the like
this phantom is so deep that probably there's a lot of
arguments for the timeline. Yes but even like in media res

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in setting they don't 100% know what year it is because their
FTL can send you forwards and backwards in time random
increments. Because the big thing of
Warhammer is hell is real and they use it to travel like in
Minecraft. That's awesome, So.
You go to hell to go faster, to places to pop back out of hell
again, but hell fights back while you're in there.

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Yeah, I think about Warhammer, like you I've it's been added me
as saying like it sounds like a very interesting setting.
But like, yeah, every time I hopinto it, just as I think I'm
getting the wrong points, that it's like I feel with me because
I do like I like movies, like TVshows.
I feel like that's a great way for me to get into the setting.
But like, yeah, I think I'm waiting for that one good war
movie to really hook me into it.I really hope it's whatever

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Henry Cavill is working on because that man is like hyper
dedicated to detail and they seem to love that lately.
Like in Dark Tide, you can't give your character purple eyes
unless you give them the specific home world where people
got purple eyes because they're close to the warp.
And dark ties, the one that plays like left for dead right.
Correct. OK, yeah, so with this movie, so

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started by Martin Pick, he seemsto be having a pretty very
career as a commercial director,some animation.
He also directed some movie called Heckle in 2020 where
Steve Gutenberg had stalked by aa Heckler after a comedy show.
He's also directing me called Evil Never Dies in 2014.
I've heard millions music before, very low viewership on
like, Letterbox and stuff. So like, this is really the

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movie he's known for, I think. Yeah.
And this seems to be like reallya lot more like, it feels like a
work for hire movie. Like, you know, it's written by
a guy who's like very steeped inthe lore.
So like, and it's very much like, I don't know, especially
this is such a I hate how this movie looks so much.
It's so visually. It feels like every background

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is just a skybox, yeah. Which is a shame because there's
some good stuff going on. Space on a desert planet which
is most drab looking visuals ever with nothing going on.
The most interesting parts maybeare the designs, but like those
are not original to this movie. Yeah.
Like I was looking up a characters in this and like
there's actually miniature figures of characters in this
movie and like, oh, those are look a lot cooler than like what

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we see in the movie. Right.
Like it's it's one of those he clearly you like Dan Abbott as a
writer. His invented so many terms in
the setting that have just become terms because of him.
And then you have him with this.Yeah, like a guy who's made
commercials who done it wrong. Martin, you seem really cool.

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But the way I watched this moviewas it's available on YouTube
and the top pinned comment is from him like thanking them for
posting it. Oh, I I'm looking at right now.
So it's Martin picks 1979 one year ago saying I directed this
and enjoyed the experience. Thank you for this.
Looks great. Yeah, that's great.
Yeah. But you seem awesome, Martin.
Thank you for being chill. Yeah, so if you go to YouTube,

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go to look up ultra means of Warhammer 40K movie.
It's a 4K remaster someone did and it doesn't save the movie,
but at least it's available. It's short too, like I think
that's an. Hour.
Yeah, it's like an hour and 8 minutes and the credit set, so
like it's super short. So I personally would not
actually recommend Washington I found to be very visually

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unappealing. But if you if you want to put
someone in the background, it's good enough.
Like is you kind of see what thedesigns look like because I feel
like the designs of the the the space Marines are pretty
interesting. The designs of the monsters are
pretty decent, like so I kind ofsee the visual appeal of this
franchise, but it's just barely a movie.

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Even the most visually is like the Space Marines feel so light,
hmm, which is the thing they have fixed lately.
But like, it feels like they're not really in heavy armor.
And it's like these guys who like the weight of a car.
Yeah, and I feel like the the Fallout TV show did well with
the Brotherhood of Steel cause it's chunky, it's heavy.

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They make, they're stopping around.
It's really heavy are both. This is kind of just like, yeah,
it just feels like there's like dudes walking around like but
like, no, she's all this movie made 2010.
It looks like it's made 2002 like.
It doesn't look that much greater than a random episode of
like the Clone Wars TV show. It looks like the animations in

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like early Blizzard games. Yeah, you're right.
You're right. It looks like a like and like
Warcraft 3 Reign of chaos. Like one of the cut scenes
there. Yeah, or like their faces, like
I showed the 1 old man's face and I'm just like, you look like
the star of Diablo 2 and I kind of love that.
But that's just nostalgia. The faces in this look terrible.

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It looks like. Scrotums.
Everyone looks like an old man with like a scrotum like wrinkly
face. Which is so funny because like
Space Marines don't get old. Like there's a famous Space
Marine who's like 1500 years oldbecause they just live forever
and he looks old. And that freaks out other Space
Marines because they don't get old.

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But everyone in this looks ancient as fuck like.
It's so it's like they don't getold.
Why is there an old man? Why are John Hurt and Terence
Stamp so old in this? I guess if they're old and
really they're trying to match that, but like, I don't know,
you could do the gravitas with actually having like them, be
like they don't have to be as old as they are.

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Right, like you could give them the gravely powerful voices of
Terence Stamp and John Hurt. Like Terence Stamp as the Space
Marine captain is perfect casting I love.
It it's great. He's the Michael Caine to this
Muppet Christmas Carol. Exactly.
Exactly. Yeah.
Like he, I feel like, just like Michael Caine, I think Terrence

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understands the asylum. He gets the gravitas right.
Him yelling things out. He actually believes what he's
saying even though it's total nonsense.
It is wild. I feel it.
It's like a point of British pride to work on Warhammer
stuff. Hmm cause like the guy one of
the guys who created Warhammer got knighted.

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Are you serious? That's good.
So Ian Livingston. Huh.
Yeah, because fun fact, Brian, did you know that Warhammer is a
greater part of Britain's GDP than fishing?
Are you serious? In island God damn nation.
That's insane. That's Oh my God, that's.
Hilarious that that one, but like, so God damn funny.

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I was going to just do a quick Fact Check right now.
I'm going to delete this Fact Check if it's not if it's fake
fishing vises Warhammer UK. Oh my God, I am playing right
now. I just wanna see stuff and it's
like he's scratching stuff into the bullet casings.
Like you know what? This is the funniest because
this is like the most accurate bit thus far of my father weird

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arming rituals they're doing andlike humming and muttering and
Latin. And also, this makes this 2010
movie relevant to September 2025.
It comes etching things into bullet casings.
Right. Could you imagine if it said
purge the heretic you need? One of these assassins and like

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America actually write some really like funny things on on
to like these bullets and stuff like.
Do some minutely more like hell divers and everything.
It was a Helldivers joke on the one which is very much Jason.
Hmm. Oh, I forgot I was the hell
diver thing. That's hilarious.
Yeah. Like and furry mate.

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Man, that was fucking nuts. Like, that's so wild.
Like. Like, yeah, the fake Latin and
the muttering and the whisperingand the burning incense is so
real. It's such a thing of Warhammer
that they do these like crazy rituals.
Like there's a bit in the one book I just got recently talking

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about, like they use special issue ammunition with thrice
blessed and sacred oils and thisand that the other.
And each shot costs as much as an imperial city sometimes.
Like what the fuck? So if I was one tweet that Games
Workshop who was the one that makes Warhammer, it's worth 3

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times as much the British economy than Brexit phishing.
So that's Brexit stuff popping up there.
So I'm not sure was like before or not, but it's.
One of those I I have heard thatfact thrown about so again,
viewers Fact Check me, but it's funny if it is.

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It's funny. That's close, even.
Yeah. It's my one nation.
Yeah, and like fish and chips islike one of their main fucking
things that they eat all the time.
Like it's just like just got fish and chips and disgusting
gravies and puddings. Like that's all the parents eat.
Well, here's the other thing that drives me up the wall about

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this. Like, I know a lot of things
have been like solidified in lore since this movie came out
and yadda yadda. But one thing that was for God
damn sure at the time, they're like, oh, this is their first
mission. The fuck you mean it's their
first mission? Space Marines stay in the scout
company and look for like 10 years before they earn their
power armor like they do not. They see like a decade of

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combat. But also doesn't feel like it's
like a rookie run because everyone looks so fucking old
and ancient. Like it feels like they're all
veterans doing things. Also on IMDb that this list is a
goof. So I read the whole thing out
because it's really funny. A Chaplain standard weapon is
the craziest Arcanum close combat melee power weapon, which
is designed to discharge his energy on contact and inflict

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damage on even armored targets. It's not a ranged weapon,
suggesting that CarMax was a unique piece of work here, with
special abilities a common thingin the Warhammer 40K universe.
Yeah, that that's a so that big like wave he does where it's
like straight back however ticks.
Yeah, that. Is part of the movie.
It's it's one of those things like chaplains are spiritual

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leaders. They're not so much religious
even though they very much are. Space means technically aren't
supposed to be a religious thing, but they are like
everything of the trappings are all religious, but they don't
believe in their emperor as a God.
Everyone else does. Space Marines see him as like,
the divine leader of everything still.
But uh, and the like that big wave he does, he's like, that

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looks more like a spell. Like you could just have it be a
librarian if you wanted to have that happen.
Which librarians are space Wizards with psychic powers for
space marines like? I know from the squad broken
fanfiction the necromancers the thing, so I assume that magic
does exist in this universe and he.
Brings it back from the magic kind of like psychic powers are
how they describe it and it's you tap into the warp.

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The previously mentioned Hill OKwhich is like an alternate
dimension where like soul stuff goes and used to be like normal
and just like a parallel dimension until like a massive
Galaxy spanning war caused so much pain and suffering they
became turbo hell. OK so one of the question when
it comes to like the 40K settings, so like the original

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setting for him or the fancy ones like dwarves and shit
right? Yes.
So dwarves and shit exists in the 40K thing?
Yes, OK, the two settings are completely separate, but like
40K is just fantasy in space. There's the Eldar, which are
elves in space, there's the Drukhari, which are dark elves

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in space. There's the Orcs, which are orcs
in space. OK, like it is very.
The orcs have goblins, but they call them Gretchen.
Like Star Wars and Spiderman, Star Wars is extremely fantasy
but yes sci-fi aesthetic is going on.
Exactly like there aren't dwarves and they were eliminated

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from the setting and then brought back like 3 years ago.
OK, so it's never evolving setting too, so they keep
changing things as they go along, right.
So it's not just like they're stuck in one thing and like
we're never bringing back a dwarf.
We that they want to sell their little figurines.
Right. They love to say everything is
true. Not everything is or everything

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is Canon. Not everything is true.
OK, so they can Recon stuff and say like well this was
unreliable narrator or like thiswas propaganda from our
perspective or this that the other because a lot of the lore
dumps are in like your faction rulebooks.
Each edition they'll have like abunch of little side stories
about your faction. You can't tell a story from the

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perspective of the Tyranids which are just alien bugs that
eat everything. OK cause they're hive mind.
It's like. It's like it was really hard to
tell a story from the perspective of the zerg unless
they made a human turn into one.True.
And then it got real stupid. Yeah, it got very stupid.
Extremely stupid. Jesus Christ the way that didn't
StarCraft was such bullshit too like.

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God, well, we went. And that's why they don't touch
the tyrannies. What have we made everyone best
friends in the end? Like no no it's not that kind of
setting. I want to start people warnings
whether shades of Gray not ever becoming best friends in the
end. That's such bullshit I'm so mad.
That's why in Warhammer, everyone's at war all the time.

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Have they ever done something bullshit where it's like, OK,
well, in this, this time around,this story, everyone's become a
best friend, nice person this time around?
There are times where people whoallied, who definitely should
not have allied, they're like, the hell does that happen?
But like not really to that extent.

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Like it's the Necrons are these like undying dudes who sold
their souls for rock'n'roll and metal bodies because they all
had like super cancer? OK, so they sold their their
their souls were devoured and they were given metal bodies
that don't age and don't die. So there are just these undead
monstrosities and in one book they ally with some space

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marines and it's like, that doesn't make any sense.
They just want to kill everything.
But also I figure with like Warhammer since it was like
literally dozens about hundreds of books I like if one thing
we're really fuck up the continuity they would just
pretend that book never existed.Exactly.
They have done. They have done.
For the setting, because like, you know, like let's get in the

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movie. So when the movie first starts
off, we get it's like a horribleugly first person sequence where
you see has that display and like person came and I was like,
this took the piss yellow filterfrom playing Fallout New Vegas.
Ohhhhh God that yeah. And like, you know, compared to
like Fallout in this where there's like, you know, let's

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say like at like 6-7 fallout games total, like so if anything
pops in fallout camping pissed off because so few fallout
games. But like with warhammers, like a
million things. So if something gets fucked up
in the can, like just don't forget and move on.
Yep. But yeah, so this starts off, we
see the heads up this play some Marines.
We assume we're fighting some orentering some sort of building.

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This ugly, horrible yellow filters going on.
There's like numbers and skulls on it.
There's a little like a noose. Setting up there, it's great.
Can't tell what the fuck is going on, but also the most
visually creative thing the movie does.
When, When you're doing the Doom3 movie, yeah.

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It felt very Doom 3, especially when like a near the end of it,
when like the fire comes towardsthe camera, the person there,
yeah, almost looks like some demons from dreams, like some
skull fire demons popping up towards him.
Now that I've seen the movie, that beginning sequence does
make some sense. It's what's happening at that
temple. They.
Go to OK well, like I, I was very confused watching it.

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Yeah, me too. So in the fire comes towards the
camera that cuts the block with the opening credits and over
this very slow opening credits we hear John Hurt as Chaplain
Carnac. He reads the following.
I can't do it, John Hurt impressions.
I'm not going to try it. It was in the chat.
I thought he was the mic. Is he not OK?
Let me just double check. My notes here.

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No, you you might be right. I can always delete this later.
Ultramarines. I had it as the chaplain.
That's even funnier. Don't even.
Yeah, Chaplain Karnak. He's John Hurt.
Oht Who's the medic? Who's the apothecary?
Apothecary is a Donald Stumper Sumter.

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Ohk, OK, he's a jar. Hold on.
Yeah, I'll get out later on. I'll get to who Donald Sumter
plays, but yeah, alright, Heather fit out.
All right. So here, John Harris, Chaplain
Carrick, He reads the following.It is the 41st Millennium.
In the grim darkness of the far future, there is only war.
The Emperor of Mankind wages a constant battle to protect

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humanity from the horrors of space.
On the fringes of the Imperium, alien races lurk and plot the
Chaos demons leaking into our reality with the torment of the
warp. All that stands in their way are
the mighty Space Marines. They are more than mortal.
They're still. They are doomed.
They're the Champions of mankind.
And the greatest of them all arethe Ultramarines.
Which is even funnier that the character he's playing isn't an

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ultramarine saying. It yeah, like he's fighting
against the Ultramarines later on.
Like it's weird. That no he he's part of a
different chapter. So space brains have hundreds of
different like sects which they wear different colours.
They had different battle styles.
Every chapter is supposed to be 1000 marines.
Don't get me started on GW doesn't know how numbers work,

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but I'm shocked they had a chapter that wasn't the whole
marines show up in this movie. But the point is, that little
beginning crawl, they have something similar at the
beginning of every book that haslike in the grim darkness of the
far future, there is only war, yadda, yadda, yadda.
So give you a little bit of like, yeah, the Emperor is on
his throne and Terra, yeah, he'sin a constant coma state.

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And is this like super powerful being that is like a lighthouse
that they use for travel? OK, Yeah.
He's the reason they have FTL. None of that's in the movie.
No. And like, they're not the only
thing that protects humanity. They are the the best thing
humanity has. But there's also, you know what
humanity has when you have a million planets, people, you

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know what you do? You throw people like your.
Problems. I do like how this movie
presents people being very disposable.
Yes, working is very good at that.
Sometimes I like this movie was clearly made for the fans.
It's not made for yes like me who are just like experienced
warrior for accent. Why not have more of that
complicated stuff in there? It it feels like it was trying

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to do both at the same time and failed at both.
It does yeah, because if this isa lot more obtuse annoy the fuck
what's going on? I was like OK well there's some
lower I can kind of learn as go along.
Felt like I pretty much understood everything was
happening scene by scene for themost part, which I feel like I
should not considering how densethe lore is.
OHS it's, it's wild. It's like it doesn't have enough

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minutiae to really get people who are deep in it, but it has
too much to really get people who know.
Nothing. It's like think about the ending
of Blade Runner when like when Rutger Howard mentions like, you
know, I saw battleships like Torion, like, you know, saw like
something like 10 Houser gate, like, you know what the fuck
those things are, but expands the universe enough that like

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you can kind of like imagine what it could possibly be.
And then this is just like, OK, well, here's it's all just like
it's all plotting. It's all narrative.
It's all basic stuff. But like, there's not the sense
of wonder at all in this movie. And it's like I have that
advantage of that knowledge. Even I'm like when he's

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presenting to them at the beginning, they're Warhammer
40,000. He's like, look at this.
Yeah, I lost my mind. I didn't know the Warhammer was
an actual thing. It's got the whatever the
funniest part and you're just like, yeah, put a Warhammer in.
OK, OK, OK. Movie starts off like we get the
title car like this Ultramarinesand looks like the Indianapolis
Colts horseshoe logo is behind it.

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And like the ultramarine toilet seat, Yeah.
And so like, they would go to a church or something.
There's like a stained glass artwork of Space Marines
fighting things at the base of this is like church or whatever.
You see two marines fighting like sword training.
Terrence Stamps one of them. He plays Captain Severus,

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whoever is fighting Proteus, whose voice by John Pertwee.
And these are the people who follow the rest of the movie.
They have no personality much atall.
They just want to fight chaos. Yeah, that's Space Marines.
Yeah, so they're so the artwork looks pretty interesting.
It's cool design. Their character designs
themselves, like, absolutely hideous.
Their faces are gone all. They like PlayStation 2

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characters again. It looks like cutscenes.
Make a Blizzard game like it. Looks like one of them has a
robot and that's cool. Yeah, but like, it's just like,
OK, well, like, but if their helmets were off for most of the
meeting, I said OK, well, like, he's got the robot almost the
movie, so you can't tell him apart.
And it's like they all have thislike super intricate armor so

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they look like they're veterans of the chapter cause like you'd
think like basic bitch beginner boys would have like basic baby
armor. Yeah.
And these guys have like the gold filigreed everything like
ah. So like, yeah, they have a
swearing in ceremony with swearing all the initiates, they
kneel before the warhammer or I guess it's not a warhammer.

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Oh is it is a warhammer? It's just not the Warhammer
because the Warhammer exists in Fantasy.
Is it kind of like Excalibur or something that everyone wants it
or something or? No, not even that's the best
part in Warhammer fantasy. It's just the hammer that the
emperor of like the Holy Roman Empire equivalent wheels OK and

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is made for him by a dwarven God.
Like it's really cool. It's a cool hammer and it's a
symbol of office and it's super powerful.
That's. In the 40K universe was the
Warhammer. There isn't the Warhammer 40K,
it's just still named Warhammer.It's just it's.
It's the naming convention. OK, so whether like praying to a
Warhammer, this movie kind of means nothing.
That hammer is just kind of a relic of the chapter.

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So like, they love relics, they love antiquity, they love
tradition, they love all their like yadda yadda.
Because here's a fun fact, they don't tell you invention and
like innovation are illegal in the imperial.
OK. They're like, shit went bad the
last time we invented stuff. Never again bro.

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Like AI outlawed abominable intelligences.
No, because they had giant war against AI.
Very much like Dune in that way.Yes.
So every time you see a computerpanel and there's like a skull
on it, that's a real skull, that's a brain in there, that's
a survey. All the dudes that are putting
the seals on their armor, that'sa person they lobotomized and

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turn into a seal robot. That's way cooler than I thought
I was gonna be. Like the healing stations and
Dark Tide is a dude with like robot suture arms who's a
servitor plugged into a wall. And he goes like, I'm very cold.
Everything's going black, remember?
Oh, it's so dark. That's awesome.

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Yeah, because. Again, what do they have in
spades, people. Yeah, so, so like all these guys
look roughly the same, but there's a guy in white armor
whose name is a apothecary pithole.
Yes, apothecaries are the dudes who they're medics.
OK. So they kind of heal your units
there in the battle. Yeah, they're like in game,

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they're healers, they maintain the Marines and their genetic
whatever they do, all the operations that make them Space
Marines, et cetera, et cetera. And yeah, so pothecary pithole.
His boys put Donald Sumter, who I recognized from Game of
Thrones, as Master Lewin. Wait a minute, Sir.
Oh, OK. I got really excited.
For a second I thought you were gonna say it's the guy who was

(37:26):
General Veers. No, no they are not pie sale.
That's still awesome though. Yeah, so yeah, I guess someone
because of course you get British people like all these
guys are gonna pop in game with us.
I'm shocked. Terrence from Game of Thrones to
some point. Same same.
And so I yeah, so the Altima squad are all together now and
they fly off the planet Mytron here we get to the Marines are

(37:50):
etching their one guy itching his bullets with the kill the
heretic thing so. It's very on the ball like that
is a thing in universe. They this the Imperial Fists who
you meet later, the guys in yellow love scream showing.
So it's like it's very on brand,like Space Marines are weird.
And so, yeah, so, so it is like kind of religious what they're
doing as like a unit. Of course, because we're in a

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church begin with as an initiation, they're not really
worshipping and like, I guess they're doing things.
For the Emperor, for the four, he is the figurehead but he like
2 marines. He's not a religious figure,
even though everything they do is dripping with religion.
Is it kind of like British? There's like, I guess Canadian
dollar to fight for like King Charles.

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Sure, we'll go with like old time going for king and country.
All that stuff for yeah, I guess, yeah.
King, country. This nebulous thing that's
better than all of us. And more important, the
Imperium, the Emperor, the big symbol.
Because it makes you more disposable in the end.
Because you're the individual fighting for something more
powerful. You should see the loading

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screens on Darktide. They'll all say like knowledge
is like the path to darkness, like it's all this weird
authoritarian psychosis. It's great.
Yeah, so like also another ship to like, you know, like again,
the faces are all ugly and hideous.
The characters look awful, like except for what's his face are
the main guy there. Like he has like a bullet in his

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head was pretty. Cool, that is a service stud.
Space Marines get those for every 50 years of service.
I thought about shot in the heador something that's that's way
more, way more boring. I thought.
I thought some cool Baxter, you know, shot the head or something
that lived. Like I think it's sober for 50,
gold for 100, but OK. He's a captain with only 50

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years of service. As wild to me like the the
curious too. OK, alright.
I thought he was gonna shot in the head a lot in this world.
Well, they don't wear their fucking helmets, so maybe they
are, yeah. Well, yeah, so there's on on
this plan here. What's it called again?
This plan it out Mithran. Metron.

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Shrine as there's garbage space.Marine.
Had emergency beacon those triggered.
Sorry, my most frustrating bit is they mentioned that a whole
company of Space Marines are here.
A chapter of Space Marines is 10companies.
Yeah. So 110th of a first founding,
like most important chapter. Like that's like if like fucking

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I don't know, a small town in the middle of nowhere had like
an entire regiment of the army just based there to protect
nothing. They run out of money while
making this connection to show all the marines or something
like. I don't know a company is 100.
Marines so Senator investigate Adistressed speak in there and
there's like a parent 100 battlebrothers that were here lost but

(40:49):
only 12% to figure out what to do.
So only 12 Ultramarines are sentdown to figure this out.
Yeah. So I guess the odds like, you
know, the hundred of them die, but we're saying 12 year old
guys in there to figure it all out.
They were blue. Yeah, So down the surface, it's
like a desert world. It's ugly, it's hideous.
It's probably really easy to render the CGI for because

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there's nothing going on and their banner get starting zapped
by electricity and like they think, oh, this is like a sign
of something going on here, likesomething evil demons like that.
And I was like, oh, it's just the weather, don't worry about
it and share, OK, Whatever it comes, it comes up, comes pretty
big later on, actually. So yeah, at one point produces

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something starts blasting, we see something lurking.
But like, you know, overall thismovie is just them walking.
They're walking, walking, walking.
Like let's go this way. Should we go that way?
So I don't know. Yes, we should.
They keep on walking. That's like 90% of the movie.
It's so funny because they're like the Imperium.
One word that could describe theentire Imperium is paranoid so

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that they see like this thing happen.
The Miriam is superstitious. They'd see the lightning on the
thing and be like oh shit. And they probably like trying to
leave, but that's what was like.We're gonna keep moving forward
because of the Ultramarines. We can do whatever we want like.
That's that's not annoying. Yeah, you sell something.
No, don't worry about it. Yeah, it's so the tensions not

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there at all. It's so boring.
And so they keep walking, walking and walking.
They walk some more and then runto the aftermath of a battle.
The embryo shrine has been desecrated.
They find the corpses of a lot of people.
They really a lot. Of Space Marines and the Space
Marines. And they say it's the chaos that

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has done all this. Those are two big things that
they should be like, holy shit. Yeah, it just feels like, it's
almost like, I don't know, like,you know what you're like
walking around like, oh shit, I was like, I don't know, there's
a dead squirrel over there. Like they're not freaking the
fuck out at all. Like it's like.
Like, I get your soldiers dead bodies or nothing.
It was human bodies, yeah, nobody gives a shit.

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But it's Space Marines. Do you know how much it takes to
kill them? Yeah, like a lot more than you
like. And I did like Kate visually I
say this movie is actually charges.
But I did like what the battle and stuff, seeing the aftermath,
the show, something blood and gore becomes like, you know,
some of the bodies, like not having limbs and stuff, skulls
like and I thought like, oh shit, this actually looks pretty

(43:20):
decent. But like as we progress and we
see actually blood and guts popped out of people with like
chainsaws and stuff and bullets.It looks so cheap and bad.
Whereas like this aftermath is rendered pretty good.
Yeah, the aftermath looks great in this.
Like, it's probably like after, after this parliament, there's
nothing visually interesting in the entire movie at all except
for one guy's armor. Like, and yeah.

(43:43):
So then Python suggested tradingserver.
Society must keep pushing on andwalking.
So they must figure out who triggers the distress beacon,
figure out Spyrus. They keep on walking, walking,
walking, being attacked from bullet fires from cliffs and as
they walk up and like it's like a space marine with some black
and yellow armor, some skulls because.
They never get into that. Yeah, and like I feel like I

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went to like some of the Warhammer wiki figure was like,
oh, this is like a ohsa Chaos space marine like OK, well.
Yeah, so you know how I said hell is real and they use it to
travel? Evil shit lives in hell because
it's like a mirror of our dimension and feeds off of our
emotional energy. Yeah, and that so massive war

(44:27):
causes all freak out because it's a mirror that's impacted by
our emotional states. So all the bad things became
like demons and gods and chaos. Space Marines are guys who
worship. That OK.
Hell is real, demons are real, and they're just like men.
This is truly a movie for the fans because like, I got none of

(44:50):
that at all. Yeah, that's a demon worshiping
psycho who is 10,000 years old. Like I, I would hate to say this
because like this movie is like if this movie had a female, you
can easily imagine like a Hollywood producer, like,
alright, let's get like a femalejournalist character and be in
this movie like some journalist character.
Like the kind of question, what's going on here?
Have someone to explain things to you.

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Why don't we get a woman in thismovie?
And another way just kind of like having things explained.
Like feels like, Oh shit, there's actually some serious
big deal. Have someone show some like
fear, some anxiety towards goingtransmission.
Everyone kind of like, oh, we should turn back.
Well, we're not going to do is going to keep walking forward.
But like these like. This chaos face looks pretty
damn cool because like you know,zombie is kind of decay looking.

(45:32):
Heart fangs refuses to die longest.
Everybody changes all sore, which is awesome.
They get stabbed in the face by Terence Stamp and Terrence is
like, yes, Kay Austin indeed. My point you're asking is the
enemy of humanity, Hmm. Like it corrupts, it causes
people to go crazy. We see that in this movie.
Yeah, but Nah, don't worry aboutit guys.

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Also, every piece of marine armor is an absolute relic,
worth more than most cities as we mentioned earlier, for
bullets, so that they don't givea shit about any of the armor
left anywhere. Drives me up the wall.
Yeah, that's just me. In every book, like every book,
I'm like a Space Marine died, nobody recovered the armor, and
I go. Nuts.
It feels like if you're leaving a lot on the table, this movie

(46:18):
so like. Yeah, I'll say that it's
superhero movies. When he throws a car and I go,
oh God, someone's car, I'm just that guy.
Yeah, yeah, they're Fantastic Four.
Like, you know, the thing like destroy someone's livelihood
now. Like, you know, this woman can't
get to work with the accountant firm right now.
Like just, you know, all the insurance things to Ben Grimm

(46:41):
being an asshole. Used cars projectile, Yeah.
Did you miss? Yeah, fuck.
Like I've, you know, like I. Voted for paying off yet?
I've over Thaddeus Ross cause like this anti immigrant
policies. I don't expect the Red Hulk to
destroy my car. Yeah.

(47:03):
So are we. Yeah.
They keep on walking. And walking, of course.
Yeah. 3 Ultra Marines died in the fight there.
No one really cares. They make it to a building, It's
dark inside the new flashlights to see.
It's kind of Mines of Moria and learn.
The range is dumb because their helmets have like every spectrum
we saw them and like night. Vision be like they have like a
HUD, they can see things and so that's pretty cool though like

(47:26):
submarines are using like their flamethrowers as a bit of a
torch to see things. Which kind?
Yeah. So in this hallway there ambush
something. It's hopping around the walls.
They struggle to see it. This thing apparently.
Is it called a demon Prince? Yes.
Hey. Look at you.
Go figure. So.
Media. Demon princes are humans or

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mortals who ascended to demon hood.
Like they did something so fucked up, so heinous.
So you like Worshipful of the dark gods that they gifted them
immortality as a demon? That recording.
Now, yeah, And like, this one isa mutated space marine.
Like a lot of the ones you get are Chaos Space Marines who did

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something so heinous they got raised to demon hood.
They have been very cool to knowregarding this movie.
And always so cool looking too. Like you can see they used to be
a space running, like they got bits of the armor.
But like yeah, mutant demon flash and stuff like claws.
All over, some tubing going around.
Yeah. So like the listeners at home,
this just looks like a big red devil looking thing with like

(48:34):
much like mechanical bits on it.Yeah, it's funny.
They could be like either turbo generic or like the coolest God
damn shit you've ever seen. Because I feel like the designs
for this, they're basing on something already exists.
They weren't actually, like, come with anything original for
the movie. Yeah, this movie gets no points
for rationality. But like, you know, I can see
the appeal when it comes to so Mr. Zions now because like, OK,

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well, like I can imagine this being cool if I knew what the
fuck was going on or play this like a different video game or
something. It also.
Just completely unrelated, but I'm reminded of there also just
like strangely aggressive with each other.
Yeah, like. Which is weird because Space
Marines are a brotherhood. Yeah, I think it's part of the

(49:17):
grim dark setting is that no one's like, no one's pleasant,
no one's likeable at all. I thought it was kind of went
with the setting, but like, yeah, it's not it's not a a
journey that feels like kind of a interesting to follow because
you like the characters because there's no characters in this
movie at all. It basically it's just like I'm
gruff, I'm a Marine, I'm going forward and I'm like, you know,
typically like who Rob Marine iskind of like I were religious

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Marine. We must fight for this, for the
Imperium. Whatever, I am a stoic paladin
man. The movie full of that.
Yeah. This point the demon Prince
servers to wall. The wall crumbles 2 in the fall
off the Cliff. We assume that they're both
defeated, but it's a movie, so they're not.
You don't see a body. You don't see a body.
So Proteus isn't charged now. Then they make the tough

(50:02):
decision, decision to keep on going.
So they keep walking. For Gary, he is senior.
This movie does not believe so, but don't worry, they make the
tough decision to keep on walking, so they keep on walking
towards the objective. And as they keep on walking,
they make the Shrine summit and they find some friendlies,
including Chaplin Carnac, voicedby John Hertz.

(50:24):
Yeah, brother need on night on. They are the sole surviving
Imperial Fists. And yeah, Chaplain Cardona John
here's a really cool look. As much as skulls.
School chaplains always wear black and they always have the
skull mask to remind like to putfear in people.
They're in charge of like the spiritual purity of the chapter.

(50:45):
They keep things in order that way they and like they're
Croceus, they're symbol of office and are in a tool of
religious blunt trauma. I feel like I respect
Catholicism more of like a chaplain's war skulls on them.
Hey, I feel like, you know, like, I don't know, like put
some more fear. Like you know, all your servers

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are putting the fear of God in your petitioners anyway.
You know, put some skulls on, put some space Marine armor on.
Like really put the fear of God.In the pulpit in like giant
knight armor swinging around a Mace.
Yeah, I don't know, like maybe if I went to Mass and then a
Chapman to Warhammer on them, I might feel like I have to go.

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Chaplains are like my favorite things, babies brains too
because they're just like complete psychos.
Like they're one main rule is called litanies of hatred.
OK, like they're just the guys sitting there screaming like how
much they hate enemies and like reciting prayers of hatred.
That's awesome. They're just like, see those

(51:47):
bastards over there? They don't have our manifest
destiny, so we need to outrace this man and kill.
Them. It's like a guy who plays for
the blue check mark on Twitter nowadays.
It is a whole army of blue checkmarks.
What a nightmare. Are we still on his shoulders
and blue check mark? So Chaplin, Carnac and Brother

(52:11):
Nidan, they revealed their protecting the lever mattress
which is given to the Imperial. I had a comparison Wikipedia
page actually play. What the fuck was so Liber?
Mithras is given to the ImperialFist Legion at its founding by
the Emperor of Mankind itself. It's a sacred relic to them, so
it's like a little buck and theyhave to defend.
It Yeah, I have no idea I guess so why is this?

(52:34):
Book here, yes the Ultramarines aside to help them, but the
sketch go about how to the manager live so long.
So yeah, they get back to what they do best, which is just
walking around. So this time they decided to
walk towards the extraction points, and as they're walking
they get ambushed again. Yeah, they do.
As Morris chaos space marines and we see one guy pop up he's

(52:55):
like big and black and he has like 2 chainsaw swords and
roars. Which is rad.
And yeah, the whole position, they start blasting at Chaos
Space Marines running towards them.
It's like a horde mission. One point, yeah.
Carnivals. Out with like starts like, you
know says something starts zapping.
With the heretics. Yeah, which like, OK, cool.

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Thank you, John Hurt. I love you.
Yeah, got it. All right.
John Hurt. John hurts the best.
Like why does he have a whole bunch of skulls across it?
Like it's so dumb. Yeah, like that's kind of like
that makes you wonder because like, for me, for someone trying
to piece what the fuck this movie trying to sail is like,
OK, well, here's some backgroundfor this characters.
Like here's a chaplain, but in this religious order.
Like he's respected for having alot of skulls on him.

(53:39):
It's like, OK, well, this is some lore that I'm kind of
learning as a new person coming into this.
I can kind of like, OK, well, there is something more to this
universe rather than just like, you know, this is something I'm
learning that's new. So I kind of like that for a bit
of lore building, but like too little too late at this point.
Also, I'm pissed off that they're just sending waves of
chaos marines at them because it's like every one of those

(54:02):
guys is an immensely powerful veteran.
Yeah, so they they are they not like just like brainless
zerglings, like. No, no, there are Space Marines
the same as them. Yeah, so is the sailor just
like, yeah. Oh God, this movies.
So he just killed hundreds of them.
Like that's how it does all the tabletop sometimes cause rules
are rules but lore you could just throw shit loads of

(54:25):
cultists them and have human worshippers of chaos they
enslaved be the chat they chop down and have like a bad guy
space marine be the threat throughout the movie.
Yeah, yeah. No real sort of as a villain
later on, but there's no real overall threat happening to
them. It's just like.
Have a chaos Lord who taunts them at the start being like
haha we killed all your friends.Ha yeah.

(54:47):
And then like you see him throughout, like telling them
they're little bitches. Yeah, so like at this point
they're overrun, a couple of theUltramarines die, but like, no
one cares because no one knows what characters they are.
Yep. But then here comes Severus.
He lives so several starts killing people, doing badass
things. He's the captain.
People doing head shots like it's going to get a tyrant back

(55:08):
in the movie. Help arrives, they would extract
all the planet and yeah, on the ship at Proteus tell Severus
he's suspicious of Karnak and Aidan because they might be
tainted by chaos. Which is a good thing to
question. Yeah, I don't want to be tainted
by chaos. Chaos corrupts.
It is sinister. It is subtle.

(55:28):
So is it just like it's just around you and it fucks you up
where it's like, you know, like inject in your veins or?
Something it's it's one of thoselike nebulous, like evil seeps
into everything and like your own pride might be your
downfall, or like your. Rap like Evil Dead the Dead.
It's how like you just it just whatever the script needs you to

(55:50):
be comes to evil corrupting you.It's one of those, like, evil
seeps into things. So like, a place can be like,
corrupted by warp energy becauseagain, it's soul stuff.
Yeah. It's like magic is real and it's
in our minds and in our souls and in the world.

(56:11):
So like sometimes they're absolute.
Like you could be bastard enough.
And like it's almost like radiation, but not quite OK.
Like it can mutate. It can.
Like when warp stuff goes weird sometimes it'll mutate things
around you're like a doorway will turn into like a mouth.
OK. And you're like, oh what the
hell? When like, reality gets thin and

(56:33):
the warp starts bleeding throughand lots of chaos worship can
cause that barrier to get thinner.
Yeah, well, that's part of the movie.
But no for future future. Warhammer makes sense.
Yeah, like I feel this movie is just it's movie is not

(56:55):
interested in explaining things to the layman.
The people is not really exposedto stuff at all, which is a
massive problem like it's. Stuck in between where it needs
to be. Yeah, because I could follow me
pretty easily because like, OK, well, there's some corrupting
force, whatever can follow along.
But I do understand all the lorebehind it because I feel like
that is actually kind of interesting.

(57:15):
Like I could have actually, you know, had like something to
latch on to me rather like watching the most boring looking
people walk from point A to point B for the.
Entire was plenty of time for some show and some tell.
Exactly. Yeah.
And then I said this one, they just kind of like, it's just a
lot of telling, but they're telling the most boring stuff

(57:38):
they possibly can. They have some things, but they
don't show you what. Yeah, they're like, I don't
know, like it's bad. Like I feel like also like, why
make a 70 minute animated film? Why not like expand like, you
know, like a buck buck 30 and just like, you know, tell me
some things exactly because theythink they're probably chaos

(58:00):
that they they confront cardiac and knit on.
They realized the codex book is blank.
One of the Ultramarines enters the room with the banner and the
Banner Knights, which apparentlyshows that there's a presence of
chaos in the room. I love how selective that banner
is. I know right?
It really picks its moments. Because the weather on this
plane here, well, like, I don't know, like why not having

(58:22):
something disgusting like I'm like like a a chaos dog or
something like show it off and they kill it off begin with.
Like, right. Like, you could have found some
demons. Yeah.
And like there remains and they're like, oh, we've learned
that like because it didn't likewhen they fought Demon Prince.
It's not exactly that makes no fucking sense because that also.
You could have had to do that and then they do later.
Yeah, OK so spoiler OK So what happens next?

(58:43):
So like several shoots car not gonna have because like it could
be like things that he could be the demon stuff.
So yeah we get another mover John Hurt dies, which is every
John Hurt movie And so then he knows knocked unconscious of the
banner. So Burritos, with cast ownership
and revealed that Severus died back in the plane is now being
possessed by the Demon Prince. So just totally a thing that
makes sense. It sucks, but.

(59:06):
Yeah, so like Proteus and I'll wake up and find the banner
carrier completely dead. Here's the part where I'm going
Wikipedia for the rest of the plot because I don't have the
notes go that far so. Bullet point it would be great
if they're like oh shit the captains evil and the ship is
about to warp to Ultramar to McRae which is the whole world

(59:28):
of the Ultramarines and I guess it'll open a warp portal and
make everything evil able to popout in the middle of the of like
the centre of Ultramar. OK.
Which is like a big pillar of basically, they're gonna open
hell in the middle of New York. OK, well, that's not a good
thing to happen. That's that's the baby
explanation version. OK, yeah, so Severus is now the

(59:53):
Demon Prince. Yes, it's like wearing his body
as it's like the bug in men in black.
It's wearing his body as a skin suit to sneak around.
And his body starts mutating too, so it has like more like a.
It's the most beautiful thing sign in the movie.
Yeah, I'm looking at it right now too.

(01:00:15):
So it's like, it's like it lookslike a Diablo.
It looks like a. It was gonna say it's like the
scene where he turns back into the yablo and goes into hell.
Yeah, so. It acts.
Three, it has something pauldrons popping up like blue
space between pauldrons, but it's like, you know, a red
devil, you know, with like, like, you know, hooked legs and

(01:00:38):
stuff. Terrence's face tears and the
face looks terrible, like Terence stamps like characters.
Face looks like it's the textureover a big head.
And we'll probably he rips off his own face too become even
more of an. Even so cool though, I love
that. Yeah, it's Severus fighting, I
forget who. But Prometheus.

(01:00:58):
And like the other guy who's been addicted to him the whole
movie, but now they're friends because adversity.
Use this finger and start in front of the church floor.
And I just ran like, like, it looks evil.
It gets it across. And kind of tell you, OK, this
is something the fair is going on there.
But as they're fighting, we get the apothecary pop up there and
like, you know, try and save them.

(01:01:20):
Yeah. And then this demon keeps
running around a little more andmore.
And then, yeah, then I think thepath here gets fucked up, right?
Yeah, also this dealer just loves grabbing people and
slamming them into walls he doesn't like 12 times.
Yeah, it's his only move really.Like kind of a boring demon
skill to. Have but I love, I do love they

(01:01:41):
establish he can steal peoples bodies and wear them so he's
like cool, I'm going to steal yours and sneak in and do my
evil shit. Yeah.
It's just like it feels like, I don't know, like you're on this
like a I know you're on the alternate world, like where
options are I feel like a three random alternates just to walk

(01:02:01):
in the room or shooting with a gun and we defeated.
Yeah. Probably feel too high, which
just feels like it happens or caught them off guard.
So like it's just a couple of funny, but I don't know where
we're playing. They're on like our ship,
they're on. Like why don't they just have
like, I don't know, like 4 guys pop up there.
I feel like the devil showed more minions or something.
Yeah, like the state should be. I get that they're going for

(01:02:23):
like he's sneaky haha. And if he wears his face and we
have to sneak in and pull off his ritual, hey, there you go.
It's grabbing and wall slamming at the apothecary again.
Yeah, yeah, it's just like, and then like a then we get the
Warhammer pops up or a Thunder or.
It is a Thunder hammer, yeah, which is a type of hammer, OK,
Yeah, it's a power weapon, he starts.
Bashing around the devil there and.

(01:02:49):
Yeah, like hammers. Yeah, so like does it does apply
as a kill him? Yeah.
So yeah, uses the pros use the Thunder hammer to kill Saver as
embarrassing the demon. And yeah, that's pretty much
about it right at this point here, like I think.
Yeah, and then they show it comes full circle and he's
giving the same speech from the beginning, and he's learned from

(01:03:10):
his experiences. Really.
Because so during the initiationceremony, yet again, he's now in
command there. And yeah, it is full circle
there. And like now they're the
Ultramarines are going to another fun adventure later on
where they probably get through.Hopefully their Fitbits can get
those steps in because all they're fucking doing these
movies is walking around. And yeah, that's pretty much the

(01:03:34):
movie to see the Warhammer again, because the stained glass
again. And then the movie ends after
like 71 minutes. It's it's one of those like
looking at the broad strokes of the story.
There is something cool here. You could make something good
out of this. Yeah, like you can make
something cool for. Like I feel like the problem is
like they're making something sobasic for the initiator and

(01:03:57):
making something that's so just generic and dull for the
uninitiated. It sells itself too short
because again, they feel like they're just generic human
dudes. You don't get the Super soldier
beta. No personality at all in this
movie. Like, no, like I cannot tell you
that a single character give a single character at all because
like, you don't hear about them talking about Oh yeah, like I

(01:04:18):
have a sweet babe hang out back on earth waiting for me to come
back because like, that's not that kind of thing movie, but.
Like yeah, Space Marines are asexual beings.
OK, yeah, but so. Despite what your previous
reading might tell. You.
Yeah. I don't know if two of these
spaces started fucking one another, at least it would be
something like. Like why did they establish Like
so and so is the gruff one, but he's the heavy weapons guy and

(01:04:41):
like so and so is the guy who has the sword.
So he's the like, Brash 1? Did the Clone wars Republic
commando thing where like these well these guys are may as well
be clones but like they have different weapon types and with
that you have different personalities.
And you can establish a lot withlike a little bit.
Yeah. And like, I feel like everyone's
kind of blends together being very generic.
It's all, it's all a grandiose grandstanding, them talking

(01:05:04):
about various things. And like I, I think John Hurt
and Terror simply understood theassignment like they are
offering, they're really bringing it, but the assignment
is not very good. Again, there's a lot of promise.
I think it's a victim of its time.
Yeah, because like this is a weird time for like a made for
TV movies too, because like thisis just for streaming.

(01:05:26):
It's a lot of money in place. So like it is just like we're
releasing releases on DVD alone.We're not releasing any other
service. So like we're not expecting to
be theatrical to have the money to do that, so.
I imagine it's budget. It like.
Yeah. Whereas I feel like if this came
out now five years ago, 10 yearsago, there have been a lot more

(01:05:49):
money tossed towards it just because you were trying to
capture IP. They're trying to make sure like
we can like, what if this is thenext, like, I don't know, like
Cobra Kai where we bring back right, everyone loves it or
something like that. And we could run for six seasons
or like. Follow You had one season and
then became the number one seller on Steam again and #1

(01:06:09):
played game on Steam. Yeah.
For a 10 year old game or whatever.
The cross energy, right, becauseI feel like if they actually, if
that cavil movie actually gets off the ground, you probably got
a big boost. A lot of video game sales
because there's a lot of Warhammer video games.
When Space Run 2 came out, the amount of people that came
around and were like, hey, this is that thing I've played or

(01:06:30):
I've seen people playing that one just like.
Recently, right? Like passing a year ago, a year
ago, right, Right. What's the new one you guys were
just playing recently? Space 22 again.
Was space 22. It it got a huge like quality of
life update recently. See.
OK, Yeah. Like a massive 1 and just like
it got like a horde mode at it and it got like a bunch of

(01:06:53):
different like more cosmetics added out the wazoo.
Like all the DLC skins you've got have now become parts you
can use to mix and match with all your other stuff.
OK, so it's just really opened up a ton of playing Space Marine
dress up, which is my favorite part.
Yeah, because like everyone. Loves because I know all those
lower bits and then just go likeI can make like I look like this
chapter. Everyone loves cosmetics for

(01:07:15):
sure can get on video game. World Space Warhammer's biggest
thing is it very much promotes your guys.
You can make your army be like this company of the Ultramarines
that specialize in this type of warfare that they have.
They they wear a lot of skulls because they take a lot of
trophies. OK, boom, there's your thing.

(01:07:36):
Or like I'm playing the ImperialFists.
We specialize like I'm playing this company of the Imperial
Fist that specializes in urban warfare.
We have a lot of APC's and we have a lot of guns.
Like playing your way, building your guys your way is the big,
big thing. Did you ever watch that Dungeons

(01:07:57):
and Dragons movie that came lastyear?
Two years ago. Oh, it's so fucking good.
It's incredible. I love the way to death, but one
thing I like when the movie a lot is that it captures the
feeling of being in a party. People playing DND and having
conflicting goals. I think captures the experience
of playing Dungeons and Dragons so much.
So well. And I feel like maybe if this
one had the idea of like this specific set of Ultramarines had

(01:08:20):
like something unique personality to them, this just
felt like it was kind of offering nothing.
It was. Just this is where it comes in.
I there is this very specific thing in Warhammer called the
Death Watch. They are one of the armies I
play. They are a collection of space
marines from every chapter. Yeah.
And they make elite squads of like mixed chapter volunteers

(01:08:42):
because that's what they all are.
And they send them all like hyper elite specialist missions
of like 5 men, but they're all from different chapters.
So you could be like, this guy is a space wolf, he's brash and
feral. This guy is an imperial fist,
He's stoic. You could do that easily.
And it's what they did for the tabletop RPG for Warhammer as
you played a Death Watch squad so everyone could make their

(01:09:03):
marine from their chapter they love the most.
Whereas I feel like they they may as well be clones.
Yeah, everyone has the exact same personality, the exact same
motivations, and like, it's justthere's nothing to latch on to
this movie and the fact that it's visually repulsive.
I hate how this looks like. I think the designs are pretty

(01:09:24):
cool, but the designs are not unique to this movie.
The designs are based. Something already existed.
And they're, yeah, they're basedon cool things like that.
Already did the homework for you.
Yeah, and I feel the things thatfelt like a ritual, like
Severus's face is the most hideous things in my entire
life. It looks awful like.
He looks better on the evening. Yeah, honestly does.

(01:09:45):
Yeah. It's just like an old wrinkly
man that looks like, I don't know, it looks like the bottom
of a foot, like it looks terrible and.
Heels are Terrence stamped on it, yeah.
Guy, if I was here to say it, would be mad because like,
Terence Stamp is like a handsomeman.
This guy's nothing about this movie handsome at all.

(01:10:05):
Yeah, so. Spiritus work though.
This is his finest work. Yeah.
Yeah. Not General Zod, not the Limey.
It's gotta be this movie. It's got to.
Be. Honest on his gravestone is
gonna say like you know, Terrence Stamp starve
Ultramarines, a Warhammer 40K movie.

(01:10:27):
I think it's one of those, you know how like countries have
like mandatory military service?Hmm.
Britain has mandatory Warhammer service.
That would be great. Like force every fucking like
British actor like do a Warhammer property at some
point. Like, I don't know, like, oh,
that'd be great to start it off.Like, I don't like force.
Like there's another big Englishactor like Florence Holland.

(01:10:52):
Yeah, yeah. Force spider twink there.
Four. Samantha Warhammer get him to
like be an ultramarine like yeah, that would be believable.
This 5 foot 2 like little guy like ah Gee Mr. Stark, I'm an
ultramarine. Without the armor, you're
nothing with it. See.

(01:11:17):
That's character motivation, that's character development.
That would be such a better way.I will love to see Spiderman
like 4 like no way Ultramarine we're gonna call it like.
Instagram too, the multiplayer mode you're playing like you
have like 6 space marines to choose from and like they all
have different personalities. Like the one is super angry and

(01:11:37):
agro, the one is like super taciturn and very clinical.
He's like cool, I have scanned the targets for this thing.
Or like he'll say like engage inmorale boosting cheer for the
Emperor. See, and that's like.
So cool. Stuff in general understands
like unique characters to feel different and be different, to

(01:11:59):
have them stand out and be unique and special.
And I feel like this movie is like, I don't know, fuck it.
Like why do that? Too much work like.
I feel like it's probably just that it had no budget.
Yeah, it's this movie looks cheap as hell.
It looks so cheap. Whereas like and like early
Warhammer plus animations feel kind of floaty like this one
did. Hmm.

(01:12:19):
And you can see they were getting their feet.
Whereas now you look like at an episode of the Tithe and you're
like, holy shit. Yeah, like I feel like, so this
is straight to DVD. There's no box office, of
course, but so we made a $225,000 from domestic home
video sales. So I'm not sure it was the range
they expected. Like they weren't expected to
make a lot of money off of this at all, I don't think, because

(01:12:41):
like this is like clearly a movie made for Warhammer 40K
fans. Like this is like 20 like, well,
like the reason in the box. I was like, you know, Avatar was
still in theatres. Tangled Social network, King's
Speech, like they. Were almost out. 9 so.
Jesus. But that movie came late in the
year, so probably blended in 2010 a little bit.
So but yeah, so like CGI movies like like Tango was 2010 for

(01:13:09):
sure. And like that movie looks
pristine compared to like compared to this is like holy
shit, like. What's available at time?
You're like, oh. Yeah, so like this movie, when
it came, I was doing no favors to everything.
Any comparison shopping when it comes to watching a CGI animated
movie? Um, yeah, so some of the
reception I read about this likeit got they had some advanced

(01:13:32):
screen with some pre selected reviewers, which like, come on,
those should not count because you're like, hey, you want like
be a specific person to review Warhammer Ultramarines like
you're going to be having someone going to favorable
opinion overall. But still people do not like the
CGI of those early screenings too and confined to many
reviews. Maybe Master Rim from Ain't It
Cool News gave it a rave review,but like any Cole News is full

(01:13:56):
of unintelligible perverts anyway, so he can never trust
what they're saying. Like.
Like. Harry Knowles is like a Blade 2
review was something really disgusting.
It's it's one of those like it has come so far from like that
to you look at like current trailers for stuff and they're

(01:14:20):
animated trailers are out of this world.
Like just the trailer for Kill team, one of the side games is
like a bunch of guardsmen like wearing gas masks and they look
like World War One trench fighters versus a bunch of
works. And it's like everything's
exploding and they're running around and screaming at each
other and it's like a 2 minute video and it's intense for like,

(01:14:44):
I can't stress enough. Please go watch a star.
Ease everyone listening. If so, good.
A star dies Warhammer, you call it.
I I just sent it to you on discord.
OK, I'll post on the show link. Yeah, it is.
That's probably not the originalbecause I think the original was
taken off. But like A Star Dies 2 has a
trailer, they're letting him make a sequel and it's official

(01:15:06):
like that is. That's how good this guy is.
And that's equal. Focusing on the Death Watch,
guess what? You get to mix and match a bunch
of different personalities. I will say a start is 0
dialogue. That's cool. 0 plays with sound
so well. Or like the the secret level

(01:15:26):
episode has like 3 sentences of dialogue.
OK, Yeah, it. Is like incredible.
The voice acting was fine in this, but the dialogue was
terrible. Like they had nothing to really
work with in this movie. Um, I think that's the problem.
They had nothing to work with because they were given the
money. They were given a good script.
Like they were just like, I feellike we let's just make a

(01:15:47):
Warhammer movie for the fans andlike it is something made for
the fans. It's the most faint praise
possible because, like, only a fan would like it.
Because the fans already has a predisposition to enjoy what
they're gonna see, yeah. Like watching it again, I was
like, oh, this isn't as bad as I've always given it.
Yeah, and I thought this is atrocious.
But the same time though, like II can see myself OK so like the

(01:16:11):
aesthetic I like at points so I can see myself like having to
explain some things to me that Iknow what the fuck was going on
and I'm not turned off watching more Warhammer things.
I'm actually more curious than ever now to watch Warhammer
stuff, it's just that I needed someone to kind of guide me
through it rather than relying on the 70 minute movie I found
on YouTube. It is really hard, like that

(01:16:34):
first jump in can be really daunting because it is a deep
pool and it is wide. It's hard to find the shallow
spots. Keep it on.
Yeah, So, OK, so we're in the end here.
So I kind of want to ask becausewith this thing, a million
Warhammer video games, when you play a lot of them, what would
be the best Warhammer game for someone to get into?

(01:16:59):
It depends on how like what you like to play.
There's there's not a lot of badoptions but like Dawn of War One
just got remastered recently OK and it is very beginner friendly
of like it is an RTS in the classic style.
You can play through the story and you are space marines and
you kill a bunch of works and you kill a bunch of chaos or

(01:17:23):
space marine 2 is really fun andreally cinematic and a third
person action game. Does that one play the Gears of
War? I think.
The right very a lot more mealy focused, but otherwise kind of
yes, OK. Like you are a big heavy man
with a chainsaw. Alright, Dark Tide if you like.
For dead though, because you're playing as humans and that one,

(01:17:45):
not space marines. And Rogue Trader is a game I've
heard a lot about. Which ones?
What's that like? So it is like original Boulders
Gate 1 and 2, not so much three set in Warhammer.
It is a classic RPG. It's a very dense RPG system,
but it is a really cool game. And the nice thing is it'll have

(01:18:06):
hyperlinks in the text. So it'll be like if it uses a
proper noun, it'll be a hyperlink to an explanation of
what the hell that. Is that's useful?
Yeah, I will. Cat does that for their
Pathfinder games as well. Hmm.
So it's like, oh, I don't know anything like what's in the
depth? Just Mechanicus and you can
click that button and be like, oh, they're the priests that
worship machinery and our cargo cult that have no idea how thing

(01:18:30):
works. But if they do the same like 20
process ordeal that made it worklast time, one of those tests
being to turn it the fuck on. It'll work, Yeah.
OK. So like there it's like they're
they have had more easy ways to enter the franchise.
Yes. Otherwise, this movie is just
probably not the best way if we get into Warhammer.

(01:18:51):
I think it was a good attempt with bad execution.
Yeah, I'll give it that. Yeah, I feel like and a product
as a viewing the best way to geta Warhammer is like just walking
to Games Workshop shop the best way to get into Warhammer.
I think if your mileage will vary depending on how you want

(01:19:12):
to do it. Yeah.
Because I feel. Like a video game was a good way
to get into it because it's not as much like a money or time.
Sync then yes. But I feel like everyone who's
like gets has got into Warhammeris a tabletop game, fucking
loves it. Like loves the miniature
portions of like painting them, getting into that.
The lore is impressively like, Ihate to say it because of how

(01:19:36):
campy the sounds, but it really is like a way of Life OK like
infants, like everything I do because I have a God damn
problem. Like I can I play Warhammer, I
paint the models, I listen to podcasts, I theory crafted lists
like. You guessed on podcasts about

(01:19:56):
it. Too, I guessed on podcasts.
I dream about Terence Stamp, I mean.
What Terence Stamp Chancellor Valorum every night?
Right. Like, The thing is, there's a
million different ways. Like, the books are surprised.
Like, you know how you read like, a novelization of

(01:20:17):
StarCraft? You're like, OK, this was a fun
schlocky sci-fi book. Yeah, Warhammer has really good
books. Like there are bad ones don't
get me wrong, But there are oneswhere like oh shit I'm feeling
things. Nice.
Wow. Like, they're not just filler
fluff always people are. People lovingly refer to certain

(01:20:38):
books as bolter porn, Bolter being the type of gun that
Marines use. So it's just like, yeah, some
books are just, hey, look at Marines do cool gun things and
shoot guys that are bad. But some of the books are like,
what is the nature of being a good person?
I would not expect from this movie that this franchise be

(01:20:59):
thoughtful. But like it's nice to know that
there is a set. It's a setting, right?
So the setting, it can be so varied.
You can tell a lot of stories within it.
Yes, we can actually have like it sounds like the guy who wrote
this movie wrote a lot of other good things too with it.
But like yes, it just did not appear on screen here because of
the budget or with their intentions of the project where?

(01:21:21):
Yeah, and there's a lot. Yes, I think we're going to
vote. Let's wrap up here.
So do you have any more final thoughts about Ultramarines?
A Warhammer 40,000 maybe? Ultramarines, everybody calls
them ultra Smurfs. They are the poster boys and
everyone hates them for. It.
OK, this movie is proof of why, Yeah.

(01:21:43):
All right, so, yeah, thank you so much for joining me, Brayden.
This is a lot of fun. Thank you for letting me ramble
about my favorite thing. I learned a lot of Warhammer
cause I you, you know that I've,I've seen you post memes about a
lot, but like, I don't know whatthe fuck this is.
So it's nice actually kind of, you know, do a full deep dive
into how this all works. I'm I'm glad it didn't turn into

(01:22:05):
like 8 hours of me explaining the arming rituals of space
marines. I think we started a good
balance here. All right, so yeah.
So next week on the podcast, I'mjoined by Egg Brains and we were
discussing another animated film, Cloudy with a Chance of
Meatballs 2. Have you seen that one?
No. It's not as good as the first

(01:22:27):
one, but it's pretty fun. I haven't seen the first one
either. First one's a lot of fun.
It's somebody Hey Chris Miller and Phil Larger to Clone High in
the Lego. Movie.
Oh shit, that would be good. Yeah, Bill Hader is the main
voice. It's a lot of fun.
Everyone, you should go listen to that episode.
Yeah, so well, where where the sequel Kyle Chance Meatballs

(01:22:47):
too, which I remember not being nearly as good, but.
Yeah, that makes for funny. Content.
Exactly. We shall see how that goes.
Yeah, so and until next week, you can follow me on social
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letterbox and I will post on in the show notes.
I will post social media for Movie Pod as well.

(01:23:08):
Star Dies, the Warhammer movie that Brian was talking about and
Till. Next 10 minutes, folks.
It's like 10 minutes, OK, All right.
And so next time, take care.

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